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Nov. 12, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Joe Ardis Horn Part 2
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Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Our special guest is the CEO of SkyWatch TV and best-selling author, Joe Artis Horn.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de La Vega.
Now here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
We have day two with Joe Artis Horn.
He's the CEO of SkyWatch TV.
And I want to say welcome to our program.
God bless you.
Thanks again.
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So what you can do is go back, watch our episode with Joe Artis Horn, the CEO of SkyWatch TV on the video on demand, and you can watch the first episode again.
Mondo, I love that because sometimes, you know, when we play this live, you don't have time to watch it in the middle of the workday.
People have to work two or three jobs to survive nowadays.
You can't just sit down and have the luxury of doing that.
So video on demand makes it to where, hey, at the end of the day, you want to get good programming in, you can go and watch it at your convenience.
This guy, what you had to say yesterday was so spot on.
Not only spot on, so clear.
The message, the passion, you remind us of your father because he knew how to deliver a message with facts.
And yet people had to go back and re-listen because you may miss something in the conversation.
The legacy of the Horn family continues.
Not only with you, your sisters, your mother, the staff.
And I want to say thank you on behalf of Pastor Jim and Laurie, our viewers, for not giving up on the legacy that your father established, Joe, because it's never easy to grab the torch and keep running.
And you, my friend, you're doing an amazing job representing Skywatch TV.
Thank you, Mondo.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Because we need your voice.
Thank you.
Just like we needed your father's voice.
We need your voice, Donna Howe's voice, everybody in Skywatch TV.
I feel like you guys were born for this hour.
Amen.
And the message that is going to be said today, pay attention because I think all of us know someone on the subject that you're going to bring today.
And don't leave without hope.
The conversation may sound hopeless, may sound like we're going on a deep end, but I want you to know something.
Jeremiah 29, 11.
For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord.
That's plans for you, for your church, for your family.
Dark Secrets of Foster Care 00:08:05
And Ricky, thank you for saying yes to having this program because it's not easy talking about this subject on this level of television.
We typically find that what is worth it typically isn't easy.
And this is absolutely worth it.
Friends, I want you to go and order this book, but I want you to watch a book trailer on it to see what this is about before we dive into more information.
Watch this.
This is one of society's dark secrets.
Por he fuels the demand for human trafficking.
420,000 small children and young people are already in the foster care system.
There's an increasingly growing number of people that are a part of what would be self-identified religion now guilty of developing appetites for things like pet.
There are predators in the system.
Children are placed into foster care for obvious reasons.
The state feels they've got to intervene because they're being abused in the first place.
You might be going to church with people that are actively involved and even if they don't know it, the promotion of sex trafficking through their recreational use of pro 90% of these children are statistically guaranteed to experience severe trauma in every possible way that you can imagine during their time in the system.
90% of them will experience kicking, grossing, cooking, or sexual touch.
Predators are attempting to normalize rape.
Foster care, you have to understand, is responding to what, in my view, is a massive spiritual crisis.
It's hard to think about children being abused, traffic stolen, missing.
It's a really tough conversation.
It's okay to be angry.
That's normal.
Especially given what it is you're angry about.
But again, your rage is not doing anything for the victims.
The lesson for me was, Joe, you're going to have to find something that you can do to serve these kids.
So, how does the foster care system play into this innocence shattered?
So, you have to understand, and we're going to do this piece by piece for just a minute.
I'm going to set this up, and I'll try to do it as broadly as I can because it's a very complicated answer that would take way more time than we have in today's program.
When you say, What is the big dilemma with the foster care system?
How does it work?
How do these kids come up missing?
So, generically, I will say that it is an overburdened system, a system that is wrought with blind spots, and you now have malevolent actors that have made an expertise out of how to exploit these blind spots.
These are people that are taking the opportunity to completely sink their talons into these moments where they can treat this system like a conveyor belt forever and ever and ever.
Victim after victim after victim, and these children are nearly voiceless because of the overburdened situation that they find themselves in.
So, before we dig into the foster care system, though, I want to say that right now, the kids in the foster care system, those are a small number of children where abuse has been made known, and now those kids have been removed from those harmful situations at home.
Does that make sense?
So, when I get through some of the staggering math that we're going to cover very quickly, you have to understand that I'm only talking about the kids who are actively in the system today.
The vast number of kids that are being abused at the hands of abusers are completely unknown.
So, now let this next number hit you.
With that in mind, right now, as we're doing this program, Mondo, 420,000 children in the United States are actively living in the foster care system.
420,000 children right now are actively living in the foster care system.
So, with that in mind, where are the rest of these children?
Well, they're undiscovered.
They're hiding under the beds at night from real-life monsters down the hall, and no one knows that this is happening.
So, 420,000 children right now actively living in the foster care system.
90% of these kids are statistically guaranteed to be abused in at least two to five different types of ways from inappropriate touch, abuse, hands being held on stovetops as a form of discipline, locked in dog cages, food being withheld as a form of discipline.
Samantha Orr, who was a part of our Rescue Us series, gave her testimony to me face-to-face and for over three hours articulated the nightmare that she was living in, where her mother's continual rotation of live-in boyfriends locked her in the garage and did all kinds of things.
It is a nightmare.
This goes on for years.
People wonder, how can this be happening in the United States?
And I digress to what I said earlier: it is an overburdened system.
There are not enough social workers.
The ones that are trying to do the good work, by the way, I don't want to.
That's right.
Gaps in an overburdened system mean that children in foster care are too susceptible to abuse.
You're talking about captors, not guardians, not parents.
You're talking about captors that are trying to normalize rape.
Because if a child doesn't know what's happening to them when this is going on, they talk less.
We're talking about captors that won't let their children go to the hospital because they're concerned that these children will show the evidence of abuse at home.
They've conditioned them, Mondo, not to talk in certain ways and don't let your friends at school know what's happening.
This is normal.
Worse, this is love.
Trying to condition an entire generation of children that this is love.
There will only be 23,000 of these kids that age out of the foster care system this year alone, most of whom will fall into systemic poverty if they've survived the gauntlet.
And this is if they don't come up missing first.
I want to tell you something that most people have a hard time accepting, and this is coming from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the NCMEC, the Polaris Project, Shared Hope International, all of the brightest minds in Western civilization that even try to keep up with this very difficult to track.
These people are aggregating the information that we do have.
And if you take all of their math and put it together, Mondo, children who die or come up missing every single day with no chain of custody, many feared the ones alive, enforced prostitution or trafficking right now is 11 to 55 per day.
Kids are being pulled out of the foster care system through various malevolent maneuvery.
So it's a total train wreck.
80% of the young men that survive this will become incarcerated right away.
70% of the young women that survive this gauntlet and who don't end up dead, who survived this whole thing, who are still alive technically but are emotionally ruined, are now pregnant with children who are going to have kids who are statistically guaranteed to have those babies out of wedlock and back into the foster care system.
So on goes the cycle, on goes the cycle.
I have so much information and I know that we're pressed for time, but that's why I say that foster care in and of itself, if you're a caseworker trying to do the good work of intercessory for these children, if you're someone who's in law enforcement and devoted your life to standing in the gap for these kids, you're already part of the solution.
I am not here to disparage you.
Thank you.
This is not even an attack on the foster care system itself.
Yes.
As what has been advertised on paper, the reason that it exists, the stated position for why these children are removed from homes in the first place.
Sadly, this is an improvement for a lot of these children to go into the malevolent hands of a variety of abusers who will handle them in ways that any decent human being can't even imagine.
But friends, there are solutions to this problem.
I believe that the Innocent Shattered Book is a warning to the church that the body of Christ needs to stand up for these children and start giving their yes to God in whatever way he's given them gifts and abilities to stand in the gap for these children because right now the church is not hardly doing anything.
Why Churches Struggled Years Ago 00:04:33
In fact, we're in a massive state of decline where even child-focused ministerial programs are falling the wayside.
What is the prophetic word that your father, Dr. Thomas Horn, gave that we will see this take place?
So for context, he was a pastor for over 25 years in the assemblies of God.
He had tons of experience managing large ministerial enterprises.
And then of course, anyone that followed his professional ministerial career know that along with my beautiful mother who's here today, Juanita Horn created and co-founded the Whispering Ponies Ranch, the oasis where we deal with the very children that we're talking about today because of our non-for-profit SkyWatch television.
We're able to make at no expense to these children a Christ-centered rehabilitation program where they're fed like kings and queens and they get their Jesus Christ encounter.
They're told that they have value.
They're told that God created them and made them special.
We celebrate their birthday.
We talked about that yesterday, but my father was a living example of what to do when it comes to child advocacy.
But many, many years ago, for context, he had built so many organizational ministerial endeavors that as a family, we struggled to keep up.
And by the way, he was like that, Ricky, until the day he died.
Yes.
When he was in the ICU, when he could speak with closed eyes, he was so weak he could barely speak.
He was still talking about, if he gets out of the hospital, the next book he was planning to write and the next thing he was going to build at Whispering Pony's Ranch for these abused kids.
Wow.
That is my mother.
That is my mother.
That is the heart of the parents that I come up underneath.
So years and years ago, when we first moved to the Bible Belt of Missouri, and I asked my father, I said, Dad, why do you think we've struggled so hard to find a church anywhere with a coherent child program?
You know, I expected our choice, Mondo, of puppet stages and songs and big interactive.
And other than a few of the mega churches with lots and lots of money having almost rock concert based, you know, child encounters for kids, like none of the home missions churches, none of them.
Years and years ago in the 90s, we started seeing this decline.
Now we're in the Bible Belt in the early 2000s.
We don't understand why this is happening.
When I was a kid, we had Royal Rangers.
There were programs like Missionettes, Awanas.
Where did all these churches go?
And I said, Dad, why do you think that's happening?
And he said something I will never forget, Mondo.
Ricky, do you know what he said?
He said, I believe that child's programs are going the wayside because kids don't have any money.
And if you want to know what the church is prioritizing, you look at where they're spending the money.
Wow.
It's on entertaining the adults.
So you look at the churches.
There's the separation of the smaller ones.
And I'm not disparaging every church.
There are some great exceptions.
Some kids that still do VBS, Bible school, you know, they have programs that are elaborate and they're doing what they can on limited budgets.
Let me tell you something.
How many of you remember vinyl graphs?
Come on, I just dated myself.
The viewers under the age of about 50 are like, what is a vinyl?
What?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Ricky doesn't.
You remember vinyl graph?
Oh, my goodness.
I was about to pull out my phone and Google that right now while he's talking.
Here's my point.
My generation of children, we didn't have TVs or AI technology-driven entertainment.
We didn't have screens or social media.
We had coloring books and a vinyl graph.
A vinyl graph is literally this piece of vinyl, and these companies would send these small books with David and Goliath cutouts, and they would stick momentarily to vinyl.
And then you would peel them off.
You'd put them back in a little, you know, a little, you know, binder and put them away.
We learned about the Bible through zero financial means.
We learned about the Bible without all the big bells and whistles and tricky accoutrements.
Okay.
And we will never forget those stories.
My point is that a grandmother on a pension who doesn't have land to offer these kids, who wonders where can they start, that's one of the reasons that Innocent Shattered exists.
Standing in the Gap 00:05:06
It's got an appendix at the back of the book that says, okay, we've got your attention.
We're losing an entire generation of children to a Luciferian assault that is meant to confuse their very gender.
Meanwhile, the church is completely asleep.
But if you want to stand in the gap and say, not another kid locked in a dog cage on my watch, there's an appendix at the back of this book that walk the book that walks you right directly through a series of thought exercises that help you experiment in your own daydreams, the landscape of your own imagination.
God, what would I do to give you my yes?
I'm good at this.
I'm good at that.
I've got this.
I could offer that.
This book will leave you excuseless, Mondo.
I love this.
You leave no room for excuses.
That's right.
Listen, call right now, 1-888-988-1588.
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This is more than just becoming a bestseller.
This is an information that the Bible says that we failed.
The lack of knowledge, right?
Right, right, right.
And I want to tell you something.
Most Christians are frustrated and stuck because they don't have the knowledge that we need in order to further the message.
That's right.
And I want to tell you something.
There is nothing worse than being a Christian that has frustrated a church year after year after year after year.
The same sermons, the same series, the same Easter Sunday service.
I don't know.
Maybe it's just me.
I like change.
I can't sit there still enough and not do something about it.
Pastor Tommy Barnett used to say, if you hear the message, now you become responsible for the message.
What you do with it, it's up to you.
Well, to know what is right and not do it is accredited to you as sin.
And that's just the harsh reality.
People don't want to deal with that.
People try to excuse that as scripture.
Friends, if you know what is right and you know what is wrong, to do what is wrong and to not do what is right is accredited to you as sin.
And I'll tell you right now, we have a lot of church people who know what is right and they're refusing to do it.
They know that we should be standing up for life inside the womb and outside the womb, but they're refusing to do it.
Why do you think that is in the church of Jesus Christ?
I cannot give you an account for why the conglomerate church of Jesus Christ here in the United States is less, is taking less action on this.
We talked yesterday about their indulgence in pornography.
Well, it sounds like because they're participating.
They're participating.
They're also fueling the industries that are creating the paid for demand for sex with children.
And we talked about that yesterday.
We're not going to relitigate that today.
So I can't give an account for why the church is maybe asleep at the wheel and to say the church, not to cast blame or to diminish the salt of the earth home missions pastor that's out there right now saying, Brother Joe, don't gaslight me, man.
I'm doing absolutely everything I can.
I've got no help.
I've got no resources.
I'm not talking about that guy.
I'm talking about those who are in a position of influence doing nothing.
And let me tell you something.
Silence is permission.
Doing nothing is doing something.
It's to stand back and to allow this.
And the government is not going to do this.
It is the responsibility, I believe, of the body of Christ, the real body of Christ, the remnant church.
And I think when Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, when we're talking about Matthew 25, 31, how many remember?
How many remember when Jesus separate the sheep from the goats, what he's explaining the criteria of the gospel actually looks like?
I was hungry and you gave me meat.
I was sick and in prison and you visited me there.
That's right.
What is his instruction?
I was naked and you clothed me.
That's right.
What is Jesus?
We overcomplicate the gospel and we make it about concerts and fog machine entertainment experiences where God will do this and God will do that.
And we advertise it to people that way.
If you come, you're going to receive.
What happened to just doing the work of taking care of the orphans and the widows?
What in the world ever happened to that being the commission of the church?
And to me, there are no least of these more least of these than these children.
And it is the job of the church not to sit back and assume that the government is going to do something about this.
Can I share something with you, please, gentlemen?
Without the body of Christ and real men and women being parents and saying, not another child.
Resurrecting Faith 00:08:25
I will not raise my kid this way.
They will not have unmitigated access to technology.
Yes.
Mondo, as you said yesterday, I'm going to spend a few minutes with my kids showing them what life should look like rather than just harping at them what they should do.
That's right.
I'm going to lead by example.
We're going to spend some time playing catch with the dog in the yard.
Get out, get some sunshine, do something.
Resurrect the nuclear family.
One of the things that my parents started and founded, for those that have continued to miss this, is a place called Whispering Ponies Ranch where many of the kids that we're talking about, these victims of an overburdened, blind spot-riddled foster care system, come for their Christ-centered rehabilitation.
And we make that available at no cost to ministries like forthechildren.org, Teenreach, Royal Family Kids, the very children that we're talking about, the ones that have been abused and locked in the dog cages and food withheld.
They're so malnourished that all they get is the one meal a day they get at public school.
Those kids.
You're seeing B-roll right now of children climbing the rock wall at Whispering Ponies Ranch, learning that they have value, learning that they can overcome things.
One of them wrote a letter this year because every Friday as we conclude our weekly camps for these children, wrote a letter to our staff.
And I would love to read this to you.
And I sent this to Ben so he could bring this up on the screen.
It'll be on the screen.
But there's a little girl at the end of every week.
We give these children an opportunity to write letters to God.
And they can say whatever they want.
They can say they don't like Joe Horn's bald head.
They can say that God wants them to forgive their abuser.
They can write down that they want to be a fireman or that one day they want to grow up and teach dance.
They're allowed to express their dreams.
They can write down anything they want, Mondo.
And here is what this year at Whispering Ponies Ranch, a little girl named Nova wrote down.
She says, Dear God, you have worked miracles and I know that you have a plan for me.
Even abuse is a part of it.
And it is so I might want your help.
And she signs it, Nova.
Every year at Whispering Ponies Ranch, we see children give their hearts to the Lord, admit their most interpersonal shame cycles.
These kids often identify the abuse that's taking place in their current captivity at a place like Whispering Ponies Ranch because it's the first time they have felt safe enough to do so with adults that are highly trained in order to intervene and recognize the symptoms of what might be happening.
And I just want to say, folks, if you're watching this program today and you're thinking just now, but I don't have a ranch, I don't have acreage.
Again, the book Innocent Shattered puts you in the theater of your own imagination.
It is a place where God can get a hold of you and work on you because your skill sets, I don't care how old you are.
I don't care what you have.
I don't care what you think your resources are.
God has a plan for you to serve the orphans and the widows because in these last days, it is his biggest priority.
If you want to know what tomorrow looks like, you look at the quality of the kids that you're raising.
And that's the truth.
We must continue to raise the standard for raising our children.
We have taken a back seat as American parents.
I'm just going to talk about the United States of America, where, like you said, we are allowing a school system for seven, eight hours a day to raise them and screen to raise them the rest of the time.
Because Mondo, like you said, we don't want to make the time.
We don't want to put in the effort to do it.
Well, I worked all day.
I'm tired.
Well, I did X, Y, and Z, so I'm exhausted.
I don't want to give you the time of day, but the time really is what will change the direction of our children is pouring into them to say, hey, doesn't matter how tired I am.
I love you and I want to hear about your day.
I want to hear about what you were taught.
I want to make sure that you're being poured into right and accordingly.
I know, Mondo, you walk every single night.
Yeah.
A couple miles you go on a walk, and sometimes you bring your kids on those walks and you just let them talk to you the entire time about their day, what they're going through, the good, the bad, the you know, the 15-year-old drama that they have.
But you've told me many times it's worth it just being a listening ear.
That way, they don't feel the need to go somewhere else and talk to them.
Don't just talk.
Listen.
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When logic doesn't make sense, faith comes in.
Your logic is trying to get you out of a situation, but faith is trying to put you back in that situation because faith is what God operates under.
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Amen.
You know, I'd love us one day if we got a call from Joe over at Skywatch TV and he says, Ricky, the PTL partners were the largest giver to Whispering Pony Ranch this year.
I'm telling you right now, friends, I believe that we can do that.
Why?
Because we have the power of catching the vision and supporting the vision.
Like Mondo said, you might not be able to go out there and start a ranch of your own or have the acreage to do so and be a people, but we have someone who's doing it and they're doing it well with integrity, friends.
We need to support them.
Go to SkywatchTVisit.com.
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We're going to put both of those up on the website.
Consider pouring into this ministry as they fight the good fight that the vast majority of churches around the nation are not doing.
And friends, I never miss my words here.
I never say, you know, we'll never backtrack or act like something is that it isn't.
We'll always tell the truth.
And friends, the church needs to stand up.
I've said this many times.
If we want to see a culture shift in the United States of America, don't look for your government officials to change the culture.
Don't look for your president to change the culture.
The church needs to change the culture.
Church, it's our responsibility, pastors, deacons, elders, fathers, whatever it is that you are in your body, make sure that you are standing for what is right.
And what is right is found right here, friends.
It's found in the word of God.
Nowhere else can we find a true rock to stand on other than the word of God.
Friends, that's all the time we have today.
I want you to encourage, I want to encourage you, go and get this book.
We're going to put it up on the screen so you can see exactly what it looks like.
Innocent Shattered, Dismantling the Insidious War Against Our Children by Joe Artis Horn.
Friends, get this book today.
It'll bless your life.
Get 13 of them and share them with everybody that you know because this is a real issue that needs to be addressed.
And friends, I believe that this is the first of many things in the first of many books, first of many docuseries that are going to come out dismantling the insidious war against our children.
Joe, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
God bless you.
And friends, never forget this.
God loves you.
He really does.
Thank you for supporting the ministry.
Bye-bye for today.
God bless you.
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