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Nov. 4, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show Deliverance Conference Part 1
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Today on the Jim Baker Family Show, the powerful topic, deliverance, is it still for the modern church today?
Special guests include evangelist John Ramirez, once a high-ranking satanic priest transformed by the power of Jesus Christ.
Pastor Juan Martinez, author and expert on spiritual deliverance, Bishop Ron Webb, a pastor to pastors from Poplar Bluff, Missouri.
And Pastor Sergio Nazir Chavez, co-founder and leader of the Hope Center in Baltimore, Maryland.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo De La Vega.
And now, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
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And friends, you're not going to want to change the channel.
We're going to be talking about deliverance.
And is it for the church today?
And friends, we have some of the four most incredible men of God here.
And we're going to be talking about that.
I want to introduce them to you.
Pastor, I want to say thank you for being with us.
John Ramirez, God bless you so much.
Evangelists, Pastor Juan Martinez, we have Bishop Ron Webb and Pastor Sergio Nazir Chavez, an incredible lineup of men.
We're going to jump right into the program.
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Evangelist John Ramirez.
I remember one time I called him.
I said, I said, Pastor, he didn't have my phone number.
I said, Pastor, he goes, hey, first of all, I'm not a pastor.
Who is this?
I said, this is Ricky.
I said, evangelist.
He goes, you can just call me John.
I said, hey, I believe honor where honor is due.
You have an incredible man of God.
For those who are watching, maybe they've never seen you before.
I want to start with you.
Tell us, first off, is deliverance for the modern day church?
And how did you come to the place where you're out teaching deliverance now?
Deliverance of children's bread.
Jesus said, more deliverance, cast out more devils than anybody.
So we just follow the great example that the Lord Jesus Christ left here on the earth.
Set the captives free.
Amen.
Tell us who you are before you became a believer in Jesus Christ.
Give them a little bit of your background.
Oh, wow.
I was an altar boy.
No, I was an altar boy for the devil.
I did 25-year devil worshiping, sold my soul to the devil, and I went to demon church from seven in the evening to five in the morning to be trained, groomed, and discipled by the devil, demons, principality, water spirits, marine spirits, demonic contracts on the highest levels of the demonic kingdom.
And to 99, I died, went to hell, and came back.
And Jesus Christ, give me a second chance.
Amen.
Come on.
Come on.
Pastor Juan Martinez, tell us where you are.
You pastor a church in right outside of Houston, Texas, and it's called Get Wrapped Church.
Tell us a little bit about that and who you are and what you do.
Well, you know, I was wrapped in the love of Christ.
So, you know, we called it Get Wrapped Church for short, and we go wrap people in the love of Christ.
Amen.
Come on.
You know, for me, I guess, you know, selling drugs most of my life, went into cooking meth, became one of the main meth distributors because I believed the lie most of my life.
So obviously, as John says, setting the captives free is very important for me.
Why?
Because when you experience something or encounter something that is so good, you know, when I was selling drugs and all that, I was trying to convince people that what I had was good.
So now that I've encountered Jesus Christ, how can I not want to give people the very same thing?
You know, when your life totally gets transformed and it's a completely different life, you want to tell everybody.
So that's who we are today as a church.
We believe, you know, some people say, you got to get outside the building.
I mean, we've been outside the building.
We actually need a building.
You get what I'm saying?
So I don't know.
I'm excited to be here with you guys.
You guys are doing an incredible work.
Amen.
A man who needs no introduction, but I'm going to do it anyways.
Bishop Ron Webb.
What an incredible man of God.
The bishop of this house.
We fall into him spiritually.
He's a credible man of God.
You pastor a church on Poplar Bluff, Missouri.
I know there's people who live in this area, this region, people who live in the states around us who want to come visit you.
Tell us about your church, where you're located.
Well, actually, we have two campuses, one in Popper Bluff, Missouri, and one in Mountain View, Missouri.
And God is doing some incredible things there.
And we're so excited about the end time harvest, man.
Amen.
It's about soul winning and deliverance, as you alluded to.
We're excited about that.
Amen.
Pastor Sergio, Nazir, Javez, tell us about you.
Come on.
Praise God.
I have the great honor of pastoring an incredible ministry in the city of Baltimore that they consider the trenches.
We are in the heart of the city.
Before I went to Baltimore, they said that Baltimore was a graveyard for churches.
And by the grace of God, by his power, his grace, and his mercy, we're experiencing a mighty move of the Spirit of God.
And we're seeing salvation.
We're seeing deliverance.
We're seeing healing.
We're seeing a place that was formerly known as a land of corruption and poverty and a land that was in ruins.
But we're doing the work of Christ Jesus and restoring the walls that were once in ruins.
And what can I say other than I'm just a lover of God?
I had a radical encounter at 15 years old.
I came to the Lord broken.
I came to the Lord, I mean, completely dysfunctional and experiencing all type of bondage and baggage.
And the love of Christ met me in a supernatural way.
And I've been preaching the gospel since the age of 15 for the glory of God.
Amen.
Come on.
Praise God for that.
Pastor John, I want to ask you this question.
If you don't mind, I'm just going to jump right in and ask you this question.
25 years, I'm just going to say you were employed by the devil, pretty much.
That's what it boils down to.
Why is the church more comfortable talking about blessing from the pulpit?
And there's a place, but ignoring spiritual warfare that's happening today.
And we're in a spiritual battle.
We're in a spiritual battle for life and death spiritually.
And I think the church, the reason it's easy to talk about blessings and talking about the easy stuff of the church, because when you talk about spiritual warfare, you invite the devil to the battlefield.
And how could you test scripture if you don't have a spiritual warfare fight?
How could you know you have the Holy Spirit if you don't have a spiritual warfare fight?
How do you know you have a relationship with God if you don't have a spiritual warfare fight?
So if I talk about prosperity, I talk about just the easy stuff in church and not confront the hard spiritual aspects of the kingdom of darkness against the kingdom of light.
How do I know?
And when you do, the enemy shows up, right?
The enemy takes the Pepsi challenge.
He shows up to fight the fight, right?
But a lot of people, a lot of people, the church at large, are intimidated by that situation.
You wrote a book called Fire Prayers, where you're really exposing the enemy as well as giving us prayers and tactics to be able to fight them.
So, you know, someone who had been on that side, but now you're serving Jesus Christ, what are some of the tactics that the devil uses that church members are blind to?
Well, the devil always stands on the blind spot, right?
David had this situation.
The David beat the giant, and that was easy.
That's not your fight.
But the devil that was standing on the blind spot was Saul that chased him for 13 years.
Right?
So I think in reality that the blind spot is the fight that we, the only way you can win that fight is by faith.
So I think that having faith in your life and walking in the faith and walking in the word and walking in the promises of God, you can crush the head of the serpent.
Amen.
Amen.
Pastor Juan, this question is for you because you've been pastoring for a long time.
Yes, sir.
How has the church silence on spiritual warfare weakens the believers' Christian life and blinds us if we don't address spiritual warfare?
I think the church's silence on this topic has, I mean, you see it.
I believe we're in the last days.
The spirit of offense is rampant.
Every outrage culture, cancel culture.
And I think by not teaching that, we have actually now, we're fighting people.
We're not fighting the way we were taught to fight biblically.
It's in spiritual realms, in heavenly places, according to Ephesians.
And we're now fighting people against people, but the Bible says that our fight is not against flesh and blood.
And what you see is everybody fighting against flesh and blood.
So by not teaching the church to fight spiritual warfare, we're fighting the wrong fight.
We don't know how to fight.
We're fighting the wrong thing.
We're destroying each other, eating each other up, rather than fighting the way God has taught us to fight, to stand firm with the full armor, fighting in spiritual places, right?
And so I think once we get back to that, we're going to, you know, we're going to see that we've had victory the whole time.
I think we're bringing, God has a solution and we're bringing more problems.
We're complicating his solutions, you know.
Complicating his solution.
That's a good word.
But people realize we are complicating his solutions.
Because when God has a plan, it is always perfect.
Why?
Because he's perfect in all of his ways and all of his reasoning and all of his decision making.
He's always perfect.
He's always just.
We were having a conversation with the church the other day and sometimes churches go through hard things.
If your church has never gone through something difficult, let me know the address.
You have all perfect people.
I want to start attending your church.
Just know when I start attending it, it will no longer be a perfect church.
I'm sorry.
But we realize that God's just.
And he's just in all that he does.
Job said it best.
Even though you slay me, I will still praise your name.
We go through difficult times.
We have to have the mindset to say, God, you're still just.
You're still righteous.
You're still holy.
You're still pure.
You're still everything that my soul and heart and mind desires in those moments.
And Pastor Sergio, when the church refuses to acknowledge demonic realities, what doors are we leaving open?
Because if we're refusing to acknowledge the devil's even there, it doesn't matter that we don't acknowledge him.
He's still there.
I would say that the church becomes a center of entertainment versus a place for transformation.
So we have a lot of places in the body of Christ that have become centers for information.
So they go for a few songs.
They go for a good message, but they're not truly encountering the transformative power of the living Jesus Christ.
And so what begins to happen when we do not understand, discern, and shut down these demonic powers that we've opened up, again, we begin to worship man versus worshiping Christ.
We begin to rely on self versus relying on the power of the Holy Spirit.
So I believe that this is a time that the Lord is calling us back to a sensibility and an awareness and begin to now walk in that divine authority that the men of God have been speaking about.
Because according to Ephesians chapter 2, it lets us know that we have already been seated in heavenly places.
So that means that we need to operate from that identity, that we are more than conquerors and operating through the lens of the Spirit versus operating through the lens of carnality.
Wow.
Listen.
That's a good word.
What you just said is so powerful because we are getting drunken on information and not revelation.
Come on here.
Amen.
And Bishop, you have been preaching for a long time.
How many years have you been preaching?
41 years.
41 years.
42 years.
Wow.
I always say, which is crazy because he's only 45.
Come on.
Bishop, do you believe that the church as a whole has believed unintentionally on normalizing certain demonic influences because it wants to stay relevant to the culture right now?
Absolutely.
And that's why there's no deliverance in the church today.
You all alluded to earlier in the program where every church has become blasphemy clubs.
And now when people encounter spiritual warfare, they don't know how to handle that.
Because number one, we're not teaching on spiritual warfare.
And right now we live in this sensitive climate that we're in today, as Pastor mentioned earlier, where everybody's fighting one another.
And they don't know how, you know, to deal or combat that.
And they do it only through flesh and blood.
But we have to understand that our warfare is spiritual and not natural.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers of spiritual wickedness in dark places.
And that's what we're seeing right now.
But the only way to offset that is to counter it with the power of God.
When you were serving, when you were working for the devil 25 years, you understood you had authority.
You understood that when you spoke, things actually happened.
You weren't just make-believe.
You didn't dedicate two decades plus of your life to something that didn't work.
It worked.
It worked.
But when you ever crossed over and you gave your life to Jesus Christ, a radical encounter, you went to hell, you were being tormented there.
You saw the cross and it saved you and you gave your life to Jesus.
How much more authority did you realize that is nothing in comparison to the authority that Christ has given you?
Amen.
Amen.
You know, in my life as a devil worshipper, voila, high-ranked devil worshiper in New York City and actually in America, using the methods of the devil, because the devil has methods, methods, how to control region, atmospheres, control environments, control communities, neighborhoods, release demonic spirits.
Now that I'm in Christ, I can, you know, the anointing carries an authority.
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The church wants to preach and they want to move things in the spirit, but they have lost the authority, the identity of who God called them to be on the earth.
Wow.
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Now, John, we're going to jump right back into this.
I'm going to go into a heavy topic.
This is one that I believe, honestly, is probably an even 50-50 split directly down the church where half of the church agrees with it, half of the church doesn't agree with it.
But I want to get your perspective.
25 years of, you know, devil worship.
What do you think about Halloween?
And should Christians be celebrating it?
Halloween is having a one-night stand with the devil and cheating on Jesus.
When I was a satanic devil worshiper, there was no way, unless I wanted to lose my life.
If I wanted the devil to take me out, if I were to show up to church on Good Friday, a resurrection Sunday, the devil would have destroyed my life because we don't celebrate the cross and we don't celebrate the resurrection as devil worshipers.
That is an insult to the devil.
How much more is it an insult to God that you will go and change your identity by putting on a costume, chick-a-treat?
The devil said, I'll give you this and you give me something back.
You're making a contract, giving legal rights, opening gateways, opening opportunities for the devil to own legal rights and change your identity and tamper into your purpose and your destiny because you want to have a one-night stand with the enemy of yourself.
Well, let's talk about this, you know, because we're those people and we get this a lot.
People say, well, you know, my child's not getting dressed up as a demon or they're not getting dressed up as a ghoul.
You know, I'm putting them in a, you know, a car's uniform.
I'm putting them as a presentation.
You can put them on Lil Noah.
You can dress them up little Noah, little Isaac.
You can dress him up like little.
You can dress him up like little Jonah.
It is the contents of what you're celebrating.
Little Samson.
It's the contents of what you're celebrating that you come in agreement with.
There's power and agreement.
There's power and unity in the kingdom of light.
But there's always power and agreement in the demonic world in the kingdom of darkness.
So you take in your child and you're doing a satanic ritual agreement of saying you can have my child's identity.
Wow.
And I'm giving them to you one night.
Listen, Adam and Eve took one sin to lose the condo.
Esau and lose the condo, right?
One situation.
They lost the presence of God.
Right?
Esau, one situation, Esau lost his birth forever.
One, one, one, not 15, but one.
So what do what do you say?
So you tell me the cake tastes better on October 31st?
The candy tastes, some reason that the candy tastes better?
No, you are giving the enemy legal rights, not only your children.
So your children are five years old.
You give the devil legal rights.
And then at 15, your children is in heroin.
They're doing drugs.
They got addiction.
They are out there serving the world instead of serving Christ.
Oh, it started because you opened the door.
Wow.
Pastor Sherja, I want to talk about this.
We're talking about open doors, open portals.
This is a question for you: why do so many believers get defensive?
I mean, we're talking about Halloween.
We're talking about, you know, what do they call those things?
Now, I forget.
It's like your birthday based off the month.
Horoscopes.
Yes, sir.
We were talking about horoscopes.
You know, people say, I'm a, I forget the term.
I'm an Aquarius.
I'm a, I'm a Saturn or whatever.
I probably got that all wrong.
You know, I'm a Toyota.
I'm a Highlander.
I'm a whatever.
Whatever they want to call themselves.
They have crystals.
They have rocks.
Why do so many Christians get offended?
I'm an asparagus.
Why do people get so offended about these?
Why do you get defensive about this as a believer?
That's a great question.
I believe it's because the flesh is being confronted.
And the flesh is always at war with the spirit, spirit against the flesh.
So I believe when our flesh is being confronted, it creates an inner conflict within the realm of the soul.
And I believe that the reason why we have become so defensive is because now those things are being confronted to be cast out.
And demon spirits know that as soon as you start exposing and putting light on what's been in darkness, it's time to go.
Because wherever the light of Christ is, there must be a transformation.
There must be a healing.
There must be a deliverance.
So now what's happening is an internal conflict in the soul and the spirit, and it's causing a response in the physical body.
So it's time for us once again to realize that this is truly a spiritual battle that we are going through.
And a lot of that defensiveness will go down when we begin to deny ourselves and pick up our cross.
Because in the denying of self, we realize that what we're getting defensive about is actually the patterns of this age.
And scripture says to not be conformed to the patterns of this age, but rather be transformed by the renewing of our minds.
So that conflict, it'll dissipate once we fully yield and surrender.
So when we get defensive, it's a reaction to let us know there are areas and parts of our soul that have not been yielded and surrendered.
Wow, wow.
And what's crazy is that we put names to it.
We dress it up, chunk of tree, harvest.
We try to make it Christianity to it.
And there's no Christianity to the devil.
You can't take the devil and dress him up in a white tuxedo and think he's nice.
The devil's identity will always be killed, kill, he come to kill, steal, and destroy.
You can't change the devil's identity.
Absolutely.
His DNA.
Wow.
Bishop.
Just a few moments left.
What role does unrepentant sin play in giving the enemy legal ground even to church leaders?
Well, it's an open door for the enemy.
We talked about portals and last night in our discussion just around the table.
We dealt with the spirit of offense.
We're writing the book, Pastor Jim and I, on the spirit of unforgiveness, not letting go.
And when you don't repent of that, there's a block.
There's a, I mean, you're trapped.
The enemy has you captured.
And so the Spirit of God cannot flow as long as that block is there.
So unrepentant sin.
You know, we talked about the church of Ephesus in the book of Revelation.
Jesus bragged on him, but he said, But I have somewhat against you.
You know, you've left your first love.
And but then he says three things: three R's.
He's a remember from whence you've fallen.
Number two, repent.
And then number three, return.
So repentance is in there.
There's no restoration without repentance.
And so I hear preachers say, well, you know, they lost their first love.
Well, it didn't say you lost it, but you left it.
Wow.
And anything you left, you can go back to.
Come on, amen.
Number one, remember.
Number two, repent.
And then number three, return.
And then as Pastor Ricky alluded to, we're the light of the world.
Two things in the salt of the earth.
We're the presenter.
And wherever there's salt, it's an impact.
That's right.
You never say, you know, salt tastes like chicken.
But you always say chicken is too salty.
I think everything that everybody's saying is kind of like you're either in agreement with truth or you're in agreement with the lie.
And if you're in it, you know, I think culture and everything is always trying to get you to be in agreement with the lie.
And when you're in agreement with the lie, you can't be in agreement with the truth.
Well, they say the spirit of God cannot flow if you don't let go.
Come on, you got to let go of unforgiveness and bitterness.
We just submitted less than broadcast.
Pastor Sergei, I'm going to start with you.
If people are watching right now live, give them maybe your website and some resources that you have for them to be able to go more into these subjects.
Yes, thank you so much.
It's been a great privilege to share with all of you.
The release of my first book, Spiritual Portals, has just been released October 7th.
I'm very grateful.
This is a very powerful spiritual warfare manual and blueprint.
Give you a step-by-step guide, biblically rich, filled with the present, saturated in prayer.
And so I encourage you to get that.
You can visit my website, surgery and zierchavez.com and find all information to stay connected there.
That's right.
We'll put that on the website for you as well.
Bishop, you have a plethora of books, leadership from behind the scenes, Scar Wars, lots of books.
Where can people go to find your just runwebministries.com and you know Facebook?
You should running web right there.
And everything will pop up.
Amen.
Pastor Bob.
Juan Martinez.tv.
I have a current book coming out called That's Crazy.
No, That's God.
Everybody wants that's crazy, but nobody wants to do that.
That's God.
So if we chase Jesus, signs and wonders follow.
Right.
And I have another book called Prison Break, which is Belief Drives Behavior.
Amen.
You see right there, that's his new book coming out.
That's Crazy.
No, that's God by Pastor Juan Martinez on the screen.
We encourage you to go to his website.
We're going to put it up on the screen so you can see that.
And last but definitely not least, tell us where we can find your materials, all the incredible things you've written, things like fire prayers.
Fire prayers.
I wrote these two here.
I just want to show you quick.
This is out of the devil's cauldron: 25 years of devil worshipping.
Here, you can go to Johnrameris.org.
JOHN Ramer.org and this show you how weak the devil is, because on the other side of the cross, when Jesus Christ holds your pen, he's writing your story amen.
So they're both here.
You go to Johnrameris.org and uh, get blessed and pick them up there.
Everyone here is a miracle.
Amen, remember this.
As pastor Jim famously says, never forget this, because it's the reality of our life right now.
God loves you.
He really does.
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