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Nov. 3, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Rabbi Jason Sobel Part 2
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Revealing the Messiah 00:15:11
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, our special guest is Rabbi Jason Sobel.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
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You're going to go and watch on video and demand, and this is going to bless your life.
But today, we have back with us again, day two, Rabbi Jason Sobel.
Thank you for being here.
New York Times best-selling author.
He's a TV host.
I mean, you do.
Listen, you look so good.
Man, you look good.
I'm trying to keep up with you, bro.
Oh, man.
Your arms are.
I saw you preaching the other day.
I said, look at those arms.
Look at, man.
Thank you for taking care of yourself.
We need you.
We need you here for many, many years.
Absolutely.
We always talk about health and getting the preachers to stay healthy.
Listen, we preachers, we have a bad habit of just eating bad.
Well, people eat their stress away.
Oh, you see that in the pulpit?
I did that.
I've done it.
Not anymore.
Not anymore.
What inspired you to get healthy?
I felt like God said, get fit for the fight.
Wow.
That's a good word.
Get fit for the fight.
You know, there's a lot that God has us to do when we're living in historic, prophetic times.
And if we're not both spiritually strong and physically strong, it's going to be hard to endure what God has coming.
You wrote a book called Transformed by the Messiah.
I want to dive straight into it because what an incredible thing.
We're talking about physical transformation, but this is your spiritual transformation.
Give us some background.
If people are watching you for the first time, Rabbi Jason Sobel, have you always been a believer Messiah?
I assume not because of the book called Transformed by the Messiah.
But give us a little bit of your testimony.
Yeah, I grew up in a Jewish family, went to Hebrew school, lost most of my family during the Holocaust.
Being Jewish was really important.
Found myself working in the music industry, looked at the lives of all these famous people, and I said to myself, there has to be more to life than just this.
Began studying with my traditional rabbi, but also got into martial arts.
And through martial arts, I got into meditation as well.
And that kind of led me to pursue, you know, how can I not just have religion and ritual, but a real encounter with God.
I tell this story in the book, which I don't often tell, but I was actually coming out of a place where I had been doing yoga and meditation.
And this woman stopped me on the street and she said, do you think you know what the truth is?
She goes, do you think it's clear, deep, and absolute?
And I was in shock because the front of my shirt said truth.
The back of my shirt said clear, deep, and absolute.
But there was no way she could read the back of my shirt or know what was on it because I just literally stepped outside the door.
The next thing I know was like time and space dissolved.
Her piercing eyes just saw right into my soul.
She began to speak to me about the gospel.
The next thing I know, I snap out of it and she's gone.
And I'm like, oh my goodness, I just had a spiritual encounter.
I'm not sure what this means.
I go to the subway station back in the day where you still need a subway token.
And I realized I had given my last subway token to a homeless friend and I had no money on me.
So I closed my eyes at the turnstile.
I prayed.
I feel a hand push me from behind.
The next thing I know, I open my eyes and I'm standing on the other side of the turnstile.
And I knew, okay, God's trying to get my attention.
Wow, very wow.
Then my best friend who's not Jewish calls me on the telephone.
And he said, Jason, could you tell the difference between the old and the new testament?
And I said, sure.
He read to me this passage.
He was bruised for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities, by his stripes are healed.
He said, Jason, old or new.
I said, clearly, that's the new.
He said, no, that's the Jewish prophet Isaiah, the 53rd chapter, speaking 700 years before the Messiah walked the face of the earth.
I began to be provoked to jealousy.
I had another supernatural encounter.
I was meditating.
My soul left my body.
I went to heaven.
I saw this king high and lifted up in glory.
Felt the power of God pulsate through my body.
And I knew that king seated on the throne was Jesus, that it was Yeshua.
He told me I was called to serve him.
I had no idea what that meant, but I got invited to a messianic congregation by my same friend, which was led by Rabbi Jonathan Kahn.
And he tricked me into faith.
That's a long story short.
And they had me pray.
I prayed this prayer.
I had no idea what I prayed, but they said, if you prayed this prayer for the first time, you've just been born again.
And there we are.
You write about truly transformed.
Absolutely.
And listen, you write about Rabbi Jonathan Kahn on chapter eight, the transformation of the baptismal baptism, and you talk about how he baptized you.
That's incredible.
That's right.
What was that like?
What was it like getting baptized?
Oh, man.
It was such a powerful experience.
I still remember the day.
I saw the, I was wearing a bait, like a bright blue shirt that said Yeshua in Hebrew on it.
And I remember when he came out of the war, I was like, yes.
And I felt the presence of God, and it was just such a powerful moment.
I love Rabbi Jones.
Amen.
Transformed by the Messiah.
There are people who watch the program.
Maybe they are not saved.
We send this out on social media.
We put clips out, whether it's Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, any of those social media sites.
We try to push this message out as far and as wide as possible.
Somebody's watching right now.
They're saying, I listened to your story.
I hear that you were transformed by Jesus Christ, but I don't think that that could be done for me because I've done too much.
I've said too much.
I've gone too far.
What would your message be to that person today?
Yeah, I just want to encourage you.
The funny thing is that when I came to faith, my friend John, who shared with me, he said, Jason, I had been praying for you, but I never thought in a million years you'd ever come to faith, right?
He thought there was no hope for me, right?
He thought I was.
So listen, I was into all sorts of stuff.
If God can do it for me, he did it for the Apostle Paul, a persecutor of the early believers.
Let me tell you something.
There's no one beyond God's grace.
When Jesus Yeshua died on that cross, he had you in mind.
He did it for you.
He loves you.
He cares for you.
He died so that you could experience abundant life, transformation, the promise of eternity.
All you have to do is turn to him, ask him into your heart, receive him as your Lord and Savior.
And I promise you, just like it did in my life, everything will change in yours as well.
Transformed by the Messiah.
I want you to go and get this book.
It's on Amazon.
You can go and look it up.
You can see it on the screen there.
Rabbi Jason Sobel, Transformed by the Messiah.
This is available on Amazon and other places where books are sold.
An incredible story, Mondo, that is written so well.
But Mondo, like you said, this is something that is going to take someone's Wednesday night Bible study and transform it.
Their Sunday preaching and transform it because it lets them know that there is something deeper between the Old and New Testament that is connected all by Jesus Christ.
You know, it's a genuine love story of the Messiah.
Amen.
Because when you start dating the person that you fall in love with, you want to know their birth.
What were they like?
You know, you want to know about their teenage years.
You want to know about certain things.
You have written a love letter for us to help us understand who the Messiah is.
Let's go back to the birth.
I think the birth is so significant because we have to understand that the Messiah was revealed to us through different prophets in the Bible.
Take me back to that moment of revealing the Messiah.
How did God keep this promise throughout the history and not lose track that he had a fulfillment of prophecy to fulfill?
Yeah, you know, what's interesting is that I'm the original spiritual advisor on the Chosen TV series, and I love how the Chosen brings the Jewishness of Jesus to life.
And that's really in part what we do in this book.
And we did that with some of the opening works for the chosen to help launch it on the story of Jesus.
And we shared some things that people had not really known that went viral and that are now in this book.
And so think about it for a moment because God is in the details.
Like, think about it.
An angel appears to the shepherds in the field and says, behold, a savior is born in Bethlehem.
And this will be the sign.
A baby will be wrapped in swaddling cloth lying in a manger.
Of all the signs angels could have given, a baby in a manger wrapped in swaddling cloth.
Come on, it seems like it would be like something bigger than that, right?
This is the king of kings and the Lord of lords, right?
Trumpets and angels and the glory.
But no, it's these signs.
Why?
Because we have to understand, we don't get it, that we don't know the backgrounds.
These shepherds were not ordinary shepherds.
They were Levitical shepherds.
They were priestly shepherds.
They were not ignorant individuals.
They were shepherding the flocks of the sacrifices that would be offered in the temple in Jerusalem, which was just a few miles away.
And in particular, they were raising the Passover lambs.
And when it was time for the Passover lambs to be born, they would bring them into the caves around Bethlehem, swaddle them as part of the birthing process so that they wouldn't cut themselves on the rocks and become deformed and therefore because the sacrifice had a spot or blemish, not usable.
So the Levitical shepherds who are raising the Passover lambs come and see Jesus born in the same place as the lambs were born.
They see him swaddled like one of the Passover lambs was swaddled.
And I believe that it was an ordinary swaddling cloth.
This is my theory on it.
I believe he was wrapped in priestly garments, not ordinary garments.
And why?
Because who was Mary's cousin?
Right?
Mary's cousin was Elizabeth.
That's right.
And Elizabeth, her husband was Zachariah, and he was what?
A priest.
Wow.
And he got it.
Yeah, so he got the revelation that John was going to be born as he was ministering in the temple with the incense before the seven branch candelabra the menorah.
When Mary walked in, Elizabeth's stomach kicked, John kicked within her womb.
She knew that Mary was pregnant with the Messiah, that the Messiah was going to be the great high priest.
And I believe, it's my theory, that she gave him her some swaddling cloth, and that's what he was wrapped in.
So when they came and they saw Jesus swaddled, they saw him in the same location as the lambs, swaddled like a lambs, in priestly garments, and understood this is the Lamb of God who came to take away the sin of the world.
Wow.
This is fascinating.
There's no mistakes, Rick.
That's what I'm saying.
There is no coincidence with God, no mistake with God.
But this is incredible because you're not hearing this preached at a normal church on a Sunday.
This is incredible teaching.
If somebody wants to know more about what it is you do, you're teaching, all these things, how could we find more of what you do apart from just this interview on the Jim Baker show?
Rabbi Jason Sobel on YouTube, all social media outlets are fusionglobal.org.
Amen.
FusionGlobal.org.
We're going to put that up on the screen.
Friends, I encourage you, go and support this ministry.
Watch the video.
Sow into good ground financially as well.
Because what he does, he goes around the world.
He's traveling.
He's not just speaking with world leaders and class people.
He's speaking with those of us, the common folk, and he's teaching us things about Jesus that we honestly need to know as the church.
Because the more you know about Jesus, the more you can fall in love with Jesus.
Even what you just told us right now, how even his birth is more divine than what I thought it was, makes me fall more in love with Jesus.
And that really is your goal for the modern Christianity, isn't it?
For them to fall more in love with Jesus.
Because we talk about his birth.
We also talk about his ministry.
And as part of that, we talk about the call to discipleship.
And Jesus calls us to become disciples.
The interesting thing is that the Hebrew and Greek word for disciple literally means learner.
A disciple is a learner.
Why?
You can't be a lover of God if you are not a learner of God.
Wow.
The day I stop learning about the person I love is the day that my love and my intimacy with that person begins to diminish.
So our desire is through this book, as you say, to help people be disciples, to understand the life of Jesus, to fall more in love with him, and to go deeper in that relationship, to experience that transformation,
and also to understand by showing how all these details fit together, that just like there's a very intentional story that God has been bringing to pass beginning in the first chapter of Genesis, culminating in the last chapter of the book of Revelation, and every detail has been this great tapestry, this great intentionality that God is weaving together.
In the same way, the story of Jesus and the Bible weaves together and all the details are connected.
God has an intentional story, and the details of every person's life is being connected in the exact same way.
So, this is how the Old Testament and New Testament and Jesus connections really apply to us.
Exactly.
Because a lot of people will say, well, the Old Testament doesn't apply to me.
I'm not a part of the Old Covenant.
I'm not, you know, that has nothing to do with me.
I'm just a New Testament person because I'm a part of the New Covenant.
But when we're grafted in, we're part of the entire thing, aren't we, Rabbi?
That's right.
Amen.
Absolutely.
And think about it.
Jesus, what can a scribe who understands the kingdom of God be compared to?
Like a householder who brings forth treasures, new and old.
If you say you're a New Testament Christian, you're settling for the new without the old.
You're settling for half an inheritance.
The full inheritance is the old and the new.
It's like you're settling for the building without the foundation.
Yeah, you're settling for the shoots without the roots.
Yeah.
It doesn't make any sense.
Opening Up Minds 00:02:18
It's the fullness is old and new coming together.
That's incredible, Amano.
I mean, more people need to know about this.
You're teaching a Bible study on Wednesday nights in Hollister, Missouri.
And if people want to go out, I think it's open to the public as well.
Absolutely.
This is the kind of stuff that you've been teaching.
I know you digest all the information you hear.
You turn around, you teach it to people because the average person isn't getting this on a Sunday morning or a Wednesday night.
Listen, the Lord rabbi asked me to open up a Bible study at a tattoo shop.
I love it.
And bikers are coming in.
Drug addicts are coming in.
People that have been hurt by religion are coming in.
And then there's a lot of people that have never heard the gospel in America.
And here I am, everything that I'm learning here.
I'm a sponge.
And then I go over there and I share what I've learned.
And I said, let's go through the word.
Let's read.
And you know what?
People are hungry to know more.
And I believe that the more we teach people from the origin, meaning the contextual part of scripture, it opens up the mindset because they have an idea of what they think who God is versus who is God of the Bible, who he says he is, the great I am.
And I want to tell you something.
People, Jelly Rose said something a few days ago that the gospel is being preached almost on every corner.
Revival is hitting America like never before.
What I'm worried about is where are we going to find the leaders to meet the need?
Because I want to tell you something.
The Barna group said that there's an illiteracy of Bible understanding in the church today, yet you have simplified it, Rabbi.
You really have.
Thank you.
And my concern is, I think sometimes people feel like the Bible is what they hear in Sunday school and it's boring or it's simplistic or it's simple.
And there's so much more to the story.
And when we understand, there's so much more and God opens our eyes to see the wonders in his word and we have those aha moments, those connections.
Feast of Tabernacles Glory 00:10:41
There are deep transformational truths when we understand the deeper story of the scriptures that are very practical.
And I'll tell you one, for example.
You know, we all know Palm Sunday.
Yeah.
Yeshua, Jesus comes riding into Jerusalem on that donkey.
But we don't even think about what is the deeper significance of him riding a donkey.
Obviously, there has to be something more that is there.
Well, there's a lot there, but I'll share one really amazing thing.
The word for donkey in Hebrew is chamor.
You got to get the on there with that story.
Chamural in Hebrew, chamur.
But the same word for donkey is also the same word for like the physical or material matter.
So the donkey represents the physical world.
That's why it's called a beast of burden.
Jesus represents heaven.
Jesus riding the donkey is harnessing everything in the physical, everything in the natural for the sake of heaven and for the sake of the kingdom.
The question is, are we riding the donkey or is the donkey riding us?
Right?
Right?
And so if you're a slave to the material world and it's all and you and you can't spend time with God and you can't get in the word because you're too busy, oh, you can't make time, you're the donkey.
Oh, don't be the donkey.
This isn't Shrek.
Don't be the donkey.
You're being taken for a ride.
But think about how important, because in our world, we idolize the material.
And this ties in we talk about in the book.
Why is heaven paved the streets with gold?
It's because God's the ultimate hip-hop artist.
He's just bling, blinging out heaven.
It's like lifestyle of the rich and famous.
No.
The thing that we rob, kill, and destroy, and give everything in this world for is only pavement in heaven.
It's walking on the values of this world.
It's a complete reversal of the values of this world.
In heaven, gold is pavement.
That's why the Lord says, seek first the kingdom of God and then all these things.
What we worship here doesn't mean much up there.
That's pretty much what I'm understanding.
We're walking on it.
It's pavement.
Oh, we can sit for hours.
We got to go see you at your studio one of these days, Ricky, and just sit around your studio and let's break bread together and all that.
You have the Hebrew.
Can you help me say that?
Yeah, alphanumeric chart.
That's a lot for a bilingual man here.
But listen, you're going to learn the numeric meaning of the Hebrew language, and then you're going to go and understand the biblical holidays and the calendar.
We are right now, what we're taping is a special week.
Yeah.
And yet something special also happened in this week.
But if you don't know, you're going to miss God.
And if you don't understand the meaning behind the words, I'm telling you, I had missed God so many times in my life because no matter how many times I've read this Bible, I did not have the understanding and the meaning.
Now, most people in my position will never admit to that.
But hey, welcome to the Jim Baker family show where we tell you all everything that we're going through.
But I have missed God so many times, Rabbi, because I did not understand the origin of the word.
One word changes it all.
Yes, like what you're saying.
Every major event in the life of Jesus happens on a biblical holiday.
We talk about it in the book.
He dies as the Passover lamb.
He rises from the dead on the feast of first fruits.
Because if you have a good first fruits, it's a guarantee of the later, greater harvest.
Then there are the fall holidays, feast of trumpets, day of atonement, feast of tabernacles, Sukkot.
We are right now in the season of the Feast of Tabernacles.
And we talk about it in the book.
When Jesus is on the Mount of Transfiguration, they see Moses, they see Elijah.
Jesus transfigures in his glory, and the prophets and the law pale in comparison to the glory that's revealed in the person of Jesus.
What's interesting is the word for transfiguration there is in the Greek, the word metamorpho, which is where we get the word metamorphos from, right?
Metamorphos means, in the Greek, it means there's an outer reality that is changed to meet the inner essence.
So the transformation is when who you are on the inside gets revealed on the outside for everyone to see.
Wow.
And so Yeshua was like the tabernacle.
Behind the tabernacle, behind the veil was the glory.
Yeshua was a tabernacle.
Behind his flesh was the glory.
When he opened his flesh, it was like a veil into the Holy of Holies and the glory of God came out.
And Yeshua, but here's the good news.
God created us to be more.
That same glory that was in Yeshua, he puts that presence in us.
And God wants us to radiate his presence and to be transformed and conform to his image and likliness.
And that's what the Feast of Tabernacles is all about in this season.
And they say, can we build you booths?
What are the booths they want to build?
They want to go camping?
No.
They want to build tabernacles, the feast of tabernacles, because tabernacles is the holiday that all the nations of the world will go up to worship.
Zechariah 14.
It's the kingdom holiday.
They thought the kingdom had come.
Let's build the physical sign of the kingdom.
It's booths.
It's tabernacles.
That's what's going on on the Mount of Transfiguration.
There's deep significance.
We'll get into it in the book.
Listen, you got to get the book.
Get several copies.
We urge you.
We always talk about a baker's dozen.
Listen, you got to do a baker's dozen because you got to learn what the Bible really has to say.
We love this book.
I know we do because we don't even have an affiliate program with this, but we love this man.
We love your ministry.
Thank you.
You can go to his website.
He's got a tour to go to Israel.
I mean, he's got a plethora, my sister used to say, of things that are taking place in his ministry.
And Ricky, I love the fact that you promote other ministries.
We're not like other ministries.
We try to stay on your own.
And by the way, can I say this?
We need your support desperately.
We don't talk about it much, but if you only knew the spiritual battles we're fighting behind the scenes, you will faint.
But you know what?
We don't believe in that kind of F.
We believe in faith, that kind of F, that faith that will sustain us through what we're going through.
But pray about standing with us this month.
Send whatever amount the Lord is speaking to you right now because we need your financial help.
And call the number right now.
Listen, you can do two things.
You can go to amazon.com and get the book and then turn around and sow a seed into this ministry because your friend, your pastor, Jim Baker, our father, has stood on truth for a long time and he's not here today.
Pray for him.
But you know what?
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Call the number right now, 1-888-988-1588.
Rabbi, we just have a minute left in the broadcast.
This is all you right now.
I just want you to tell people something encouraging about the Lord and how they can walk through these trying times because it's not just ministries that are hurting right now.
It's people that are hurting right now.
A lot of people who are government workers, people who are in the military, people who are working three, four, five jobs just to feed their family.
They're saying, God, where are you during this time?
Are we supposed to struggle like this?
But there's hope for everybody, isn't there?
Absolutely.
You know, I think when it's a beautiful thing that when we talk about the Passover in the book, the Last Supper was at the Passover.
When the Passover sacrifice was offered in the temple, the person offering it had to have the people who would eat the Passover meal in mind when he offered it.
Why does that matter?
When Jesus died on the cross as the Passover Lamb, he had you in mind.
You were in his thoughts.
You were in his heart.
And he died on that cross not only to purchase your salvation, but to purpose your promise, to purchase your potential, to purchase his plan and prosperity for your life.
He has a promise for you.
And if you turn to him and cry out to him with all your heart, he will always show up.
He will always provide.
He will always guide.
He will always be there for you.
He will never leave you nor forsake you.
That's his promise.
Amen.
Friends, that is the promise for you today.
If you need help praying that salvation prayer, call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
We'll help you find a good Bible-believing church in your area.
And friends, a lot of the times it's not even within the same denomination that we're in.
We want you just to be in a Bible-believing church.
That's the most important thing to us.
Know the full word of God.
Be under a preacher who preaches conviction, who preaches that sin is a pathway away from God, who doesn't address, doesn't fail to neglect cultural issues that are happening.
We need preachers who are bold in their pulpits, and that's a church we want to help you find to be a part of.
Be connected in the body.
Rabbi, if somebody wants to get connected with you, they want to watch your videos.
They want to let you minister to them in the comfort of their home and them early in the mornings and late at nights, mid-afternoon at their workday, how can they find more of your content?
Yeah, Rabbi Jason Sobel on all social media platforms and fusionglobal.org.
Amen.
Right there, friends.
Remember this.
God loves you.
Go watch day one and day two with Rabbi Jason Sobel.
We love you guys.
Go over to the book on Amazon today.
God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Rabbi.
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