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Oct. 24, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Jennifer Bagnaschi
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Nations Rising Against Nation 00:05:41
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, our special guest will talk about her new book, The Devil's Greatest Fear, How His Lack of Identity Reveals His Plan to Steal Yours.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now here's your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
Thank you and welcome everyone to our program today.
All night I've been praying and seeking God and I have a word for you that I...
Is that alright to me to have a word?
Absolutely.
Mondo de la Vega.
Oh, good to see you.
A lot is happening.
Been with me 30 years.
Almost.
The world's coming apart.
Listen, there's a lot of confusion in the land, and it seems like the enemy is coming.
Right there.
Can I ask you?
Yes.
What is about to happen?
I'm watching all this unrest.
There's the war between good and evil is really, really amping up.
Amping up.
Yeah.
I believe that confusion has come to the land.
But in the midst of confusion, we're seeing the identity of the enemy come in.
When we saw a turning point a few days ago with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I think the world woke up.
Let me read you something from the Bible.
For nations shall rise against nation.
And this is Matthew 24, the end time verse chapter.
And kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in diverse places.
And all these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up and afflict you and shall kill you.
Yeah.
Is that Charlie Kirk?
Absolutely.
And not only Charlie Kirk, but in Nigeria, over 50,000 Christians have been murdered.
And no one's talking about it.
And they're going to be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
People, wake up.
Jesus is coming.
We're in the end times right now.
We're in the last days right now.
And I'm just so concerned that the church is teaching false doctrine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The church has gone in a different direction for the last 30, 40 years.
Do you know one of the big beliefs in the church today?
That everyone's going to heaven.
Yeah.
Everybody's saved.
Why in the world did Jesus have to die on the cross?
Why in the world do we have church?
Why in the world is there a Bible?
Because all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
We need a Savior.
This is what the Bible teaches.
The end times will be a time of deception.
Yes, and we're seeing deception in our economic system or political system or religious institutions.
We have woke up to a different world in the last decade or so.
And I want to tell you something.
The wars and the rumors of wars are happening more than ever.
As a matter of fact, there's a, before you go into that point, a military man a few days ago said that we are at a tipping point to see a war between China and Taiwan that would change the face of the world.
Do you think maybe America is at the brink of civil war?
Well, it looks like it.
It looks like we have a civil war between really good and evil.
Yeah.
And listen, this scripture I'm trying to teach you as quickly as I can.
All these, this is Revelation 24 or Matthew 24, all these are the beginning of sorrow.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall kill you and you shall be hated all nations for my name's sake.
Yeah.
They hate Christians today like never before.
Yeah, listen, like I mentioned earlier, no one's really talking about it, but over 50,000 Nigerian Christians have been murdered at the hands of people that hate Christians.
They hate Christianity.
That's just one example.
And there's many of those.
In America today, the affliction looks a lot different, but I want to tell you something.
It is happening and it is real.
And we have to stand.
We cannot compromise right now in this hour.
And it shall many be offended and shall betray one another and shall be hated and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
This is the day that we are living.
This is the beginning of the last days.
I'm asking you, don't be deceived.
Find out what the Bible says.
Don't believe what anybody says because false prophets are going to arise.
Listen, Peter Teal was the founder and one of the innovators of a system called PayPal.
In the last few weeks, he has held private seminars talking about the Antichrist and artificial intelligence and how artificial intelligence is going to accelerate the Antichrist to come into the scene.
Understanding the Enemy's Plans 00:15:38
Now, you have to understand something.
In the midst of confusion, the Bible says that there has to be a man that will step in to bring peace.
Now, we have to also understand at the same time, in the book of Joel, the Bible prophesies that young men and young women are going to feel the spirit of the Lord.
We should see visions.
We are going to prophesy.
We are going to have dreams.
But at the same time, we're going to see the parallel of the enemy come into play.
And we better know what the enemy's plans are so we know how to pray against it.
And this is why I believe this guest today brings an interesting point of view when it comes to understanding the enemy.
Well, would you introduce our guests right now?
Absolutely.
I love this because we want to thank Charisma for bringing us guests like this.
Jennifer, I hope I'm pronouncing her last name properly, Bagnashi.
I hope it's right.
Wow.
Wow.
Maybe it sounds a little French, but she's a fourth-generation believer and founder of Deep Believer Ministries.
She's the host of the internationally acclaimed Deep Believer Show, showcasing miracles and divine wonders.
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show, Jennifer.
Thank you, Mondo and Jim.
Thank you so much for having me on.
So, the devil's greatest fear.
What in the world is the devil's greatest fear?
So, basically, this book is based on your identity and how the enemy doesn't want you to know certain things about yourself.
Because if you knew certain things about yourself, it would dismantle him and strengthen the army of God.
So, if we were in unity, which we're not completely right now, our army would be so much stronger and he would be weaker because of who we are in Christ.
And one of the devil's, one of the devil's greatest fears is that he doesn't want us to know who we are in Christ, how to use our weapons, because the Bible says to put on the full armor of God.
Well, if the Bible instructs us to put it on, that means it may be lying around somewhere.
It means that you may not be having it on, or it may even mean that you're not even knowing how to use your weapons.
Whenever, like Mondo, you mentioned that there was a military man who you spoke about, you know, who was talking about how life would look if China went to war, right?
So, basically, they know how to use their weapons.
China knows how to use their weapons.
Military, you know how to use their weapons.
We, as the army of Christ, we don't know how to use our weapons.
We talk about it, but we have no idea what the belt does, what the helmet does, what the boots do, even what the sword does.
We have no idea.
So, we have armory that we don't even know how to use.
And there's a deficit in the church, and this is all by design.
Wow.
Wow.
You described the devil as having no name, a fallen being with lost identity.
What does that mean?
Well, the devil doesn't have a name.
And this is the deception that actually Lucifer is not a name, believe it or not.
Satan is not a name.
These are descriptors.
Basically, Lucifer, a lot of people confuse Lucifer with the devil.
But I believe it was Isaiah.
In the book of Isaiah, it's actually describing the king of Babylon at the time.
He was very prideful.
And the reason why that gets mixed up is because there's other verses in the Bible that talks about the fall of the devil.
But honestly, that's not even him.
This was actually Isaiah using poetry, which is why Lucifer, the word Lucifer, is only described or mentioned once in the Bible.
That's it.
And it was poetry.
And it means light bearer.
It's not.
And then even Satan, years ago, many years ago, about a few thousand years ago, the Satan was actually the name or the word.
Satan is not a name.
Lucifer is not a name.
That identity was stripped from the devil at the fall.
He doesn't have an identity.
No one knows what it is.
And you can do your research, go way back.
No one knows what the devil's name is.
He doesn't have an identity.
So because he doesn't have an identity, when he sees you, he sees God because we are body, spirit, and soul, just like God.
Angels don't have bodies, which makes them not made in the image of God.
Souls actually are not forever.
And the Bible even describes that, you know, when we're told to go and preach the gospel, we're told to win souls, not spirits, because spirits are forever, but your soul is your identity.
And that's what the devil's after.
Because if he gets your identity, he gets you because your identity is who you are.
And your soul is literally who you are.
So the devil wants to strip that from you.
With that comes a name.
If you're on this planet right now, you have an identity.
You have a name.
God gave us the ability to name.
We're the only ones besides God.
We're the only ones who have the ability to name.
So when we hear people say Lucifer or Satan, actually, Jerome, Saint Jerome, back in the day, years ago, he is the one who actually gave the devil an identity, meaning Lucifer.
He's the one who linked that to our knowledge of, oh, the devil having a name being Lucifer, or maybe that was his name when he was in heaven.
Not the case.
You know what's so interesting is when we understand who we are in Christ, like you mentioned, we have the power and the Bible calls it dominion over the earth and the authority over the earth to name.
And I want to tell you something.
If you're watching right now, if you understood the kind of authority and dominion you have over your life and the words that you speak, you understand that we can do some damage in the kingdom of the enemy because when we understand the word,
now this is amazing, Jennifer, because a few years ago, the Barna group literally made a survey surveying all the Christians, a multitude of Christians, and come to find out there's one of the biggest problems is Bible illiteracy in the church.
No wonder we don't know who we are in Christ.
We're always trying to figure out.
We're always trying to, you know, running to and fro, trying to figure out who we are, what we're called to do.
Do you think that when we understand the word of God, it gives us the identity which God gave us from the beginning of this earth?
Absolutely.
I believe when God said who we are in the word of God, especially in Ephesians, it was literal.
But what the devil does is he tries to distort that.
He tries to confuse us.
And like you said, there is a deficit in the church where we don't understand the Bible.
The devil likes to use the Bible against us.
Just think about, I believe it was in 2 Chronicles chapter 20, when King Jehoshaphat, he sees this huge army coming against them, right?
And he doesn't know what to do.
So instead of sending out more men, he sends out worshipers.
And because he sent out worshipers, God answered King Jehoshaphat's prayer.
And then what God did was he confused the entire army.
Not only did he confuse the entire army, the army began to fight each other because they were so confused.
All right.
That's how powerful God is.
But what the devil does, he uses that same tactic because remember, he is not a creator.
He's just an imitator.
He's a copycat.
So what he did was, or what he's doing right now, he's confusing the army of God where now we're coming against each other and we're not on the same page.
But Paul literally said, we are all supposed to believe the same thing.
But as long as we're confused and as long as we're all over the place, I believe this, I believe that.
No, this is not what the Bible says.
This is what it says.
Guess what?
We are attacking one another, becoming dismantled.
The devil knows that eventually we're going to come together.
Lord willing, hopefully it'll start now.
You know what's so powerful?
I love what you said.
I was reading the book of Galatians the other day, word for word, and how Paul came and rebuked Peter and rebuked the people there at that time.
And why are they preaching another gospel?
Listen, we are living in a time right now where people are seeking the truth.
We are at a turning point in our lives as Christians, understanding that the call of God and the authority and the signs and the miracles and the wonders, every time we speak his name, every time we are around Jesus, something ought to be transformed.
And yet the enemy doesn't understand what we're thinking.
You write about this in your book, that he only understands what we speak out, but not what we're thinking.
Can you help us understand how to speak the word and not speak evil when the enemy can grab those words and use it against us?
Mondo, I'm so glad you said that because a lot of people don't realize the power of words.
Just like, like I said earlier, we're made in God's image.
When God created the earth, he spoke and it happened.
The enemy knows that too.
So he tries to corrupt that as well.
So, if we speak evil against the self, I like how some people say the body hears, the body knows because your spirit knows.
So, when you're speaking negatively, guess what?
Your spirit will repeat that.
Well, the devil uses that as well, too.
Everything you say, he can legally come into agreement with you because you literally confirm it with him.
But if you speak the power of God, matter of fact, in my book, The Devil's Greatest Fear, I mentioned Mark Twain because I lived in Connecticut for most of my life.
Over 20 years, I lived in Connecticut.
Love Connecticut, love New England.
Well, there's Mark Twain's house in Hartford, Connecticut.
If anybody lived in Connecticut for some time, everyone always takes a trip to the Mark Twain house.
Okay, here's the thing: whenever you go on a tour for Mark Twain, you'll always get a tour.
And what the tour will be is someone talking about Mark Twain's life, his writings, but you will always hear something come up.
And what you'll hear is, well, Mark Twain, he had a thing for cats.
He liked cats more than people.
One thing we noticed about Mark Twain is that he became very depressed in this house.
When he bought this house, he became very depressed, living in this house.
His young child passed away.
Okay, I think at 19 months.
His other child became deathly ill.
His wife became extremely sick in this house while living in this house.
Okay, when he bought all these cats, and it's not just the cats, I'm going to tell you why.
And then, on top of that, he became very financially strained.
His writing turned from fun, humorous literature to depression, to dark, dark novelty.
Why is that?
Well, he loved cats more than people, but this is what he named his cats.
This is only a few: Satan, Lucifer, Pestilence, Sin.
The list goes on.
He had many cats.
He kept calling out every time he called his cat, Hey, come here, sin.
I have some food for you.
Hey, come here, Satan.
Let's let's, I don't want to say watch TV because there wasn't TV back then, but let's go, let's read the paper together.
Um, Satan or Lucifer.
He would call out his cats often, but he would call out names or names.
I don't want to say names because they're not names, but names or titles or descriptors of evil.
Because of that, I truly believe this is why they say this house is haunted.
Okay, so there's even times you'll hear this story also.
There was a security guard who came down to make sure everything was okay in the Mark Twain house.
He will attest to this.
He walks downstairs when he comes down.
There's plates being tossed at his head, but there's nobody down there.
Okay, so there's demonic activity in there because of what was always said.
There's power in words.
So if we reverse that, and how about if he would have named his cats love, if he would have named his cats peace, if he would name his cat, say Jehovah Jireh, if he would name his cats Jesus, imagine how much good, how much blessings would have come into his house.
There's so much power in your words and you're, it manifests because of it.
Matter of fact, yesterday I was speaking with somebody and they were joking about Allah coming tonight.
They said it was a joke.
Listen, and I said, listen to me, do not play because literally that name does mean Satan.
Okay.
So I told them, I said, don't play with that because what you're saying is Satan's coming tonight.
The Satan.
He's coming tonight.
I said, stop it.
They kept doing it.
Within an hour, all hell broke loose.
And I said, didn't I tell you?
And here's what they said.
I knew you were going to say that.
There's so much power in words.
You speak life, life will come.
But whatever you call for, it will come for you.
You call God, he's going to come.
But if you call the devil, just like people say, if you look for trouble, it's going to come for you.
Wow.
Wow.
Listen, you know what it makes me think of, Dad, is the Bible says, don't let your words become idle.
Meaning, don't just peek words out like that.
They'll become a curse.
Listen, we want you to get this book, bring it into your home.
Start understanding what Ms. Jennifer is writing about.
The devil's greatest fear.
You can order this today through our affiliate program with Charisma, 1-888-988-1588.
Or you can go to the website, jimbakershow.com.
You can even, you know, get several copies.
I always encourage people to get more than one so you can share it with your friends and begin a Bible study reading.
Listen, you got to get to know who the enemy is.
How do you pray against it?
It makes me think of a word that Dr. Gary Smaller used to say constantly.
He says, Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth will speak.
As a man thinketh, so is he in his heart.
And the words that we speak can either bring curse to us or they can speak blessing into us.
So order the book today.
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Remember, we've been talking about the book of Matthew 24.
And it's so important that you know all about what the devil is trying to do.
You need to know what God wants and what God is doing in these end times.
God is real.
Listen to what he says.
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, not ever, or ever shall be.
And except those days be shortened, there should be no flesh saved, but for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened.
Oh, thank God.
For in those times, men shall say unto you, lo, here is God, or here is Christ, and they shall believe it not.
Or you're not to believe it, because there's going to be false prophets in these end times.
Facing Tribulation: Speak the Word 00:05:17
There's so many of them right now.
And they're speaking words of evil.
And they just believe the demons are the one.
This killing of this great man of God, Charlie Kirk, this was a demon power.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Evil.
It was evil.
You know, in that word tribulation, a lot of people get so scared when they hear that.
But the word tribulation really means a time of pressure.
A time of pressure like we've never seen before.
And if you know something, speak the word.
The word of God brings life.
It brings healing.
It brings peace.
No matter what the turmoil that you're facing today.
And I got to tell you something.
This ministry is facing a turmoil like never before.
And we need your help.
We need your support.
We need you to stand with us.
We need you to pray for us.
Plead the blood of Jesus over this ministry, over the television programs, over the guests, over, you know why?
Because the enemy came to kill, steal, and destroy.
But I got good news for you.
Greater is he.
No weapon form against you shall prosper.
When you start speaking the word, you start changing your things around.
And I want to tell you something.
Don't just speak words of curse.
Change them with the word of God.
Begin to read the Psalms.
Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil.
I want to tell you something.
Write this word down.
It will be the greatest time of your life.
Fear not.
It's over 200 times in the Bible.
And this time that we're going through right now, we're not going to fear.
It's scary, but don't allow fear to sit in your heart.
Let love, let peace, let the authority that we have as Christians through what Jesus did at the cross for us reign over your words, over your mind.
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It's so important that you stand in God's word.
I'm really begging you to read the word every day.
That's all the guidance you need.
And it's what you need today.
Because there is so much evil.
Listen to what the Bible tells.
I'm still reading out of Matthew 24.
For there shall arise false Christs.
Imagine false Christ and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders inasmuch that if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect.
You don't want to be deceived.
How not to be deceived?
Read the word.
Bathe yourself in God's word.
I beg you to read Matthew 24 over and over again.
Hide it in your heart so that you know what's about to come on this earth.
For there shall rise false Christs and false prophets.
They shall show great signs and wonders.
And if it was possible, they would deceive the very elect.
Don't let them deceive you.
Don't let these evil ones deceive you.
Find a Bible-believing church and find out what the truth is.
Read the word of God.
Honestly, this is the only way you're going to know for sure is stay in the word.
Amen.
Stay in the word and God's going to give you wisdom.
God loves you.
Fear not.
He's with you.
God loves you.
He'll supply all your needs according to his riches and glory.
And today, this ministry is in great need to survive because we're in the end times and nobody is really preaching the whole gospel now.
It needs to be preached to all the world.
I hope to write another book.
I'm writing one right now with Bishop Ron Webb.
And it's a book about forgiveness.
You know, if you want to make sure you're going to heaven, you got to forgive everyone else.
Did you know you're like God in a way?
You have to forgive people.
He says, if you don't forgive, you will not be forgiven.
But I want to write a book, Make Sure You're Going to Heaven and How to Do It.
And I'm concerned that a lot of people have been hearing some false teaching in their churches and just in the atmosphere of this world today.
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So get into the word.
Follow Jesus.
He loves you.
He wants you to be his chosen person.
He's going to give you a place in heaven.
God loves you so very, very much.
He really does.
God loves you.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you, Jennifer.
God bless you.
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