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July 21, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Perry Stone
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Jim Baker's Legacy 00:02:49
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, evangelist Perry Stone talks about Iran, Israel, and the road to Armageddon.
Our co-hosts today are Pastor Ricky Baker and Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
Hello, everybody!
Evangelist Perry Stone, one of the great preachers of all times, is here.
And so I'm telling you, Jim, I want to just say on behalf of myself, my ministry, and thousands of our partners, to me, you're a legend in the body of Christ.
And I see how that God has given you a burden for prophecy.
All the prophecy preachers, I don't know if you're aware of this, most of the prophecy ministers that have been familiar with Bible prophecy, I was telling Jim that in 1991, I went to the International Prophecy Conference directed by Ray Brew Baker.
There were 25 speakers, and I'm not going to go through the list, all of them with a word.
It was a great conference.
Do you know today, out of the 25 that I preached with, only four to five are still in ministry.
In fact, actually, from that original number, there's probably four.
That means all these men have gone to be with the Lord.
The difficulty that we have now, and this is why this network is so important, and I want everybody to please hear what I'm sharing with you.
There are not many networks that will focus on bringing people in who have a vision and a dream or a now word from God, whose vision, dream, and word is accurate.
And number two, most of your younger men, and I know a lot of great younger pastors, do not, in their repertoire of messages, preach anything from the book of Revelation or anything from the Old Testament prophets.
It's more of an encouraging and uplifting word for the people.
Therefore, you have a generation coming up that can be very ignorant of things that are going to happen.
Yet there's an interest in it.
But voices of Jim Baker, for I'm talking, this is decades now, have brought you through telecommunications messages that are so important.
And I'm just going to say up front, we want to be a part of what he's doing.
We are a part of what he's doing.
And we want you who watch and see these programs that are blessed to be a part of standing with this ministry in the days ahead.
Because, Jim, the biggest prophetic timeframe is now.
Peace in the Middle East 00:12:00
It is.
It started with Iran attacking Israel and Israel attacking Iran.
It actually started in Gaza and it moved to Lebanon.
But this was the, I'm telling you, I've preached.
Do you believe like I do that we are in the beginning of the last days?
I mean, really beginning.
Oh, I've always believed that based on this is happening and putting the puzzle together.
There's a peace here.
There's a peace in the Middle East.
There's a peace in Russia and Ukraine.
There's a peace with the attack on Gaza.
But then if you start linking them, there's an interconnection there, right?
And I, when I saw the U.S. come in and take the 30,000-pound bugger busting bombs, that's a tongue-twist.
And hit, I said, we have just entered into.
Now, here's the second thing that a lot of people may not be catching.
I have caught it.
I've really, I'm keying up on this.
When President Trump was in the first time, his son-in-law Jared was a great assistance to him.
And Jared is Jewish, by the way, of getting what's called the Abraham Accords.
Now, the Abraham Accords is basically an agreement with the Arab nations, and many of them are totally Islamic nations as well, to come into a cooperation with the nation of Israel for, you know, not necessarily technology.
Israel keeps a lot of their technology private, but for economic purposes, for trade purposes, and for general trying to establish some type of normalized peace in the area.
Now, Jordan and Israel years ago made an agreement with, I'm sorry, Jordan and Egypt made an agreement with Israel years ago.
And this was a very, very well-known, and Egypt has basically had peace with Israel since that time.
They have never gone to attack Israel since those agreements were signed.
Jordan is extremely friendly with Israel.
In fact, I went to Jordan recently, and a man told me who fought in three wars against Israel.
He said, my generation of older men who fought, let's say, in 67, 73 in some of the wars, you know, he's been retired for many years, of course.
He said, we still have a little bit of edge on us because we had friends die, family members die in those wars.
But he said, the younger generation under 30 years of age have not experienced those wars.
And therefore, they are friends with Jews and Arabs in Israel.
He called it Palestine, but in Israel.
And he said, we believe a time is coming when the 30 and under will create some type of normal, really super normal relationships with Israel.
Now, here's what I'm about to say.
What a lot of people do not know about the people in the country of Iran, it's very easy to get these two countries confused.
You have Iraq, which is where the Gulf War was centered with Saddam Hussein.
And right across next door, across those two rivers, the Tigris River and the Euphrates, you come to the area of what is called Iran.
Iran has without a doubt been the number one sponsor of terrorism throughout the world.
Not just the Middle East, not just with the terrorists in Gaza, Hamas, not just with Hezbollah, not just with the Houthis, not just with ISIS.
They have supplied equipment and they have supplied money.
I was told that in the time years back when suicide bombers would come from the Gaza Strip into Israel to try to do some damage, if they were successful, the parents of the suicide bomber would get money and also that money was in accounts that were smuggled through a lot of times through the Iranian regimes that were there.
Now, there's so many ways that we could go today, but let me just say this, that the new Abraham Accords, which are beginning, will probably, and I'm not, you can't say they're going to sign them, but will probably include a lot of the Arabian Gulf states.
It will include some of the, they're even trying to talk to Syria, which is a real different type of discussion to have knowing their background.
But Lebanon, and you're going to see probably a time of which there's going to be a lot of peace.
And so when you see this, I want you to remember one verse, and we're not going to elaborate further on a lot of that other than to say this.
When Paul revealed the coming of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 through 17, it so happens that when the Bible was divided into chapters and verses, the coming of the Lord is mentioned in chapter 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
In the scripture, it says that they shall cry peace and safety.
Now, that word safety in Greek can mean security.
So we could translate it.
They will cry peace and security, and then sudden destruction will come upon them.
So I believe that we're coming into very possibly, very possibly, that time when peace is going to be initiated in that part of the world.
Now, one more thing, and I want to throw it back over here to Jim because I have a tendency of running my mouth too much.
I just talk nonstop.
No, my son said, no.
That was a sarcastic no, by the way.
So when you talk about what's happened in the book of Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 is the war of Gog of Magog.
This is becoming very prominent on social media, etc.
Now, it says there that God says to Gog, which includes Persia, Persia is Iran, that's the old name for it.
He said, I will bring you down, but turn you back, then put a hook in your jaw.
So I knew this was not the war of Gog and Magog, what just happened.
It was not.
What it was, it was the preface to the war of Gog and Magog.
So what happened is they came in with missiles, and then Israel, you know, everything has been into a ceasefire, but the day will come.
You can mark this down.
They're going to rebuild.
They're going to try to rebuild their nuclear things.
They've got centrifuges hidden.
They have a lot of stuff under a mountain that was never bombed next door that the Israelis said.
A lot of the stuff went deep into the ground.
I think sometimes I better be careful there, but let me just say Israel has very significant intelligence on the ground there.
And that's where a lot of the information comes from.
So they will come down eventually again.
And so what we're seeing now is this season where everybody is calling for peace and they're calling for security in the Middle East, which if I were to say to you, they will say peace and safety, but then there will be a destruction coming.
Sudden destruction.
Yeah, sudden destruction.
So if I said that to you, you would immediately say, okay, there must be a time of peace and safety coming before that happens.
And I've been, and in fact, I just turned my book over to my sister.
I'm not going to give the title, but it goes into great detail with Israel-Persia.
And I'm going to suggest something to this congregation.
And maybe we'll go back and play this one day.
There is a possibility that if the Iranian regime wants to temporarily appear that they have changed, then what could happen is they could be encouraged.
And my son actually, my son is the one that brought this up to me because he's a genius in thinking.
He said, Dad, if Persia is the nation mentioned in Ezekiel 38, we know that they can use an earlier name for a modern country because Tagarma is Turkey and it's not called Turkey in the Bible.
It's Tagarmah.
What if, now, let's say I'm President Trump, which I'm not, thank the Lord.
Okay.
But if I were the president, I would go to the Persian people who want change and I would say, let's do this.
Instead of using the name Iran, which is more connected to the West, why don't you go back and use your ancient historic name that you call yourself anyway, Persia?
Because the Persian nation is Iran, and the Persian Empire was an empire.
And the people in Iran, a lot of times, will not call themselves Iranians.
Most people don't know that.
They say we're Persians.
So Iran, to them, at least if I were living there, I would think to myself, this is more of a Western name that was put on us.
This is more of a name negativity with terrorism.
Let's go back and let's call ourselves the Persian nation.
And if that happens, that would be a major, almost a prophetic breakthrough because that is the name used in the scripture.
It's like Israel.
I don't know if you know this or not, Jim.
When Israel was about to be a nation, they went to the State Department and they were trying to fill out a paper of what it should be called.
Now, this is before it was announced.
It says, okay, we're going to get involved with a UN vote of a nation that doesn't even have a name.
What do we call it?
All right, there was a debate.
Call it, you can call it Zion.
You can call it, there was three names that were selected, and someone said, but the ancient name is Israel.
So a rabbi, and I have Truman's autobiography.
It's two books about that thing.
So a rabbi that Truman served in the war with.
They were in a trench.
This is not a long time.
This is a long time ago, folks.
This is way before 1948.
And Truman was a soldier, and there was a Jewish man who was, who would, I say a rabbi, he was a Jewish man, correct that, who was serving with him in this trench.
And Truman said to him, what are you going to do when you get out of the war?
He said, well, if I survive and I'm going to go to New York district and sell garments, make a lot of money.
So he says to Truman, who's a young soldier, what do you want to do?
And he said, I just might run and become president of the United States.
Now, how weird is that?
So when it came time for the UN vote to come that this nation would be restored and they wanted to give it its official name, this man called Truman and said, I want you to do a favor because a rabbi did visit him and said, you can't go with any name except the biblical name, which is Israel.
And one of our generals, I may have been General Marshall, resisted it and he said, you cannot do that.
If you rename this that name, it will not exist in the next few weeks because all the Arab nations will kill everybody there.
Well, despite that, Truman was very stubborn.
He was almost like a Trump.
If you tell him one thing, I'm not doing that, you know.
You tell him to do it.
You know, it's like, I'm going to do you something not to do it.
I'm going to do it anyway.
He had that firmness about him.
So Truman was like, I'm not letting anybody tell me what to name a country.
I'll name it what I want.
Named it Israel.
And then he was called Cyrus in the Jewish community because Cyrus is the one that gave the Jews the permission when the Persians took over to rebuild the temple, rebuild Jerusalem, and all that.
Well, oddly enough, President Trump is being called by Israelis Cyrus.
Oh, my.
It's almost the same.
I'm not saying everybody, but there's this whole Cyrus theme with he has brought deliverance.
He has helped us.
And if you see pictures from Israel, you have these big billboards that says, thank you, Mr. President, where the Israeli people are thanking him for stopping this.
So what I'm saying is, in this long discourse that doesn't seem to end, is that I do believe with all of my heart that the trigger that now began, the end of the end days, is absolutely Iran and Israel becoming involved because this is not the end.
It's the beginning.
Politicians, the beginning of the end.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
It's like we've now entered into a new dimension of prophecy that we've been, did you realize John Hagee's been talking about this for about 20 years?
Why We Must Forgive 00:13:35
He's been talking about there's coming a day when the Israel will attack.
You know, I'm not trying to imitate him, but I do that every now and then.
And give him praise and glory in the house, you know.
I know, John, by the way, this is not mocking anybody, but he's been looking for this for years.
Other guys have been missing.
There'll come a day when Persia will attack.
But let me make this clear.
This is not Gog of Magog.
This is the alignment in the future of Gog and Magog.
I think I took the whole program up saying that.
You are saying we're really in the beginning of the end times.
And I shouldn't say this.
Oh, hell is about to break down.
No, but it's true.
I mean, that's a phrase that we have used for years as ministers to describe the horrible events that are connected to demonic powers and to Satan and the conflict of demonic spirits and kings and world leaders.
And I meant to introduce all my guests, but.
Well, let's do that now.
You better do that.
I'm Perry Stone.
Good to be here.
Praise God.
Amen.
Special guests.
That's right.
Bishop Ron Webb is here with us.
Yes, you.
What do you think about this book?
It's what I believe we know about it.
It's the number one thing that the number one challenge that we have in the body of Christ.
A few months ago, I felt like the Lord showed me in a vision a wall where people were praying for breakthrough.
And while they were praying for breakthrough, Pastor Jim, a wall was erected, and there was no breakthrough.
And on the wall was inscribed unforgiveness.
And the Lord spoke to me and says, This wall is the wall that's causing so many people not to get their breakthrough.
There's no healing.
There's no deliverance.
There's no, I mean, whatever you've been praying for.
The prayers were hindered because people were still holding unforgiveness in their heart.
Yeah, exactly.
This is the most important subject, and I don't want to go into it too much today, but it's the book we're writing on, and it's going to be at all times bestseller, I predict.
And it's the greatest book I've ever written, and I think it's the greatest book you've ever written.
So this is together.
It's the number one needed.
It's the number one Christian killer.
And what is God saying?
What is God saying in his Bible?
You can't get forgiveness until you forgive.
It's there.
Say it.
There's no way you can be forgiven until you forgive.
Did you hear that?
You're going to go to hell if you don't forgive.
There's a preaching this my whole life.
Yeah, but you've been living it, Jim.
You don't just preach it.
I'm telling you, this man.
People say I'm weak because I forgive everybody.
They'll say all kinds of stuff.
Yeah, but wait till they get heaven and Jimmy Swagger died this week.
Yes.
And people made a thing about we were in an agreement or something.
And I wanted to go to Jimmy Swagger's funeral.
I want to tell the whole world that.
I think Jimmy Swaggart is probably the greatest gospel singer ever to live on the earth.
Yep, I agree.
And he's one of the great preachers of all times.
And I am not against him.
He's a man.
And we're going to write about this in our book because a lot of people are going to be a good person.
Oh, it's going to be a bestseller.
Now, the men out there right now are saying, keep preaching, Jim.
Come on, Jim.
Look at the men.
I'm not hearing him.
No, but no, but you're right.
But we talked about this in the dream room.
There can't be grace for the pew and no grace for the pulpit.
Come on.
Preacher.
That's it.
That's it.
Ricky, do you know there's some of the greatest preachers in the world are living in bondage?
I'll be throwing out to the woods.
I mean, they're out.
And they were great.
They had millions of people listening to them and watching their shows and members of the congregation.
And nobody seeks to restore them.
Yeah.
Restoration.
People, do you understand why Jesus died on the cross?
Restoration.
He died on the cross to save us from our sin.
Right.
And the Bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
That's all.
And all you have to do is ask forgiveness.
No matter what you've done, no matter what you've done in your life, you're going to go to heaven because Jesus forgives you.
Yes.
And Pastor.
And the devil is a lying devil.
Amen.
And Pastor, in Lou to what he said, restoration is not one-sided.
Nope.
And we can't preach restoration until someone falls and then we abandon them.
There you go.
Yeah.
Well, explain this to me.
My son and I were driving over here and we talked about the idea that the church does not understand.
And I'm talking as a whole, what restoration is.
And he said, he was, he said, Jonathan thinks like a computer.
He said, well, you know, think about this.
You had a pastor gets up and preaches on Samson and Delilah, Lot and the two daughters that committed incest, David that has an affair, and he names the fallen guys and said they all sit there and say, Whoop, glory, whoop, glory.
Samson.
Oh, yeah, no, Samson.
But they shout, hallelujah.
And God brought him back.
Woo!
And then the pastor crossed town.
That lying dog, I tell you what, they ought to take him and hang him upside down, crucify him by the feet.
How can a man of God come on, folks?
That's why, but then they start looking at those people who are attacking and find out they've lied.
There you go.
They've told things that were not even true.
Right.
They've done things.
You know.
And most of them are doing the same thing that they're judging.
That's right.
It's a truth doing.
No, it's a truth.
It's a truth.
I knew, I know of, I'm going to be careful with this real quick because I'm not going to name names.
But I know of a person who is a female musician who's a rock star and a pop star.
That if I named her, everybody under 40 would know who she is.
All right.
She's a friend of ours.
She really got reconnected back to the Lord through our ministry, okay?
But she's been through a lot.
And when I first met her, she was really rough on the edges.
And she said, I was raised in church and I was raised in a Pentecostal denomination.
My grandparents took me to church.
And she said, but I wouldn't have nothing to do with it.
And I said, why?
She says, because I'm telling you, I have never met more mean, judgmental people than the church has.
Wow, that's terrible.
That's terrible.
No, no.
And she's true.
She went away from church because she said, here's what they do.
They love you into the church, not the kingdom.
The church.
If they understand that this is about the kingdom, which is broad body of Christ, but they love you into the lower congregation.
They're the word kingdom.
Yeah.
But they'll love you into a church.
This is what a guy told me until you fall.
And then you went out and got depressed and got drunk.
And then it's like, I tell you that brother so-and-so, we need to expel him.
No, come on.
What's wrong with y'all?
Yeah.
That is not what this is about.
How many understand forgiveness?
Raise your hand.
Come on, let me know.
Understand?
You understand forgiveness.
You know that God wants you to forgive.
Do you know that?
Raise your hand.
Come on.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Oh, people.
I'm telling you, God spoke to me a few years ago, but he said that if people don't forgive, there's many Christians that aren't going to heaven because they hate each other.
They despise each other.
They won't forgive each other.
We're drunk with accusations.
And yet we're stirring for restoration.
Do you know, Rick Nando, there's whole ministries that do nothing but destroy other ministries.
Absolutely.
And listen, social media has become weaponized in the drunken of accusations.
And I want to tell you something.
The church better, listen, you have to be very careful because when you accuse, you have entered into the gates of hell because there's no coming back when you're drunk.
But restoration is the key to the church.
And I think all of us here have experienced some type of restoration that when you identify with it, something happens that the world connects with.
And you have to understand the church's greatest hour is going to be in the hour of restoration.
I don't understand, preachers, how people can point their fingers at leadership, yet they're living like ratchet sinners behind doors.
How do we get past this?
How do we get past this?
So, real quickly, most of the people, I don't follow it, but when I see them pop up, number one, most of them I have never heard of.
Most of them I don't know.
Most of them do not have any authority they're under.
Most of them do not have a church they attend.
Maybe they have a pastor, but I see people who are trying to make income off of other people's hurts.
That's it.
I don't want to interrupt.
No, go ahead.
This is the 30-minute show now.
It is.
I've only got three minutes left.
Three minutes.
It's over.
And I'm over.
Can I talk about this?
No, I've got to sell your books.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because if we don't raise any money, we can't pay the bills.
Ricky, we've got to raise money to keep this ministry on the air.
Every day, I want people to get this book, Return of the Dark Angels.
This is end time stuff.
And then you've got Christians, cannibals.
Christians biting and devouring each other in the world.
Can I show that on the screen?
Can you see it?
Let's talk about those because we're going to talk about how people can get those.
Yeah, let me tell you about the book.
Let me hold you.
How much can you just call?
Yep, you just call it.
Go to our website.
We have an affiliate program with Perry Sun's Ministry, but tell us a synopsis.
Let me show you this, Jim.
You hold that.
This is a book that deals with the dark angel, Ephesians chapter 6, rulers of the darkness of this world, and how dark angels who are prince spirits or demonic spirits enter into families.
And I won't go into detail about this right now, but I had a cousin that was killed in a wreck at 63 years of age, and I called a man who's a real prophet, not a fake.
I mean, he can look at you and tell you your name, address, city, zip code, how many kids you got, and then pray for and you get healed.
And he didn't speak English, and he told me everything that happened to my cousin.
He did not know or never knew where he's never met me.
He told me every detail.
He told me with any of my three top partners.
Nobody knows that but five people and God.
Then he said, every 12 years, a dark angel has been sent to you to try to attack you in some way.
I went back to 19, I went back to 19, yeah, I went back to 1959 and went every 11 to 12 years, and so help me.
This happened then.
I could have died then.
I could have been killed in a wreck then.
I could have been killed in the plane crash.
And then what I do, I teach people how to track in your family.
And it's not just about this.
There's a whole bunch of other chapters.
Track in your family how to track the next attack before it comes to help prevent it from cannibals too.
This one, Paul said to the church of Galatia, why do you bite and devour one another?
That's right.
You know, and so the Christians are biting and devouring others like this.
I'm a watchman for the kingdom.
This call is a king.
I am a person of justice.
988-1588 call right now and order both of these, the book and the tape.
And I got to say something before I say goodbye.
I want you to read Matthew 24 every day for a while until it gets you in your heart because it's a map to where we're living right now.
We're in the end time, people.
And if you don't forgive everybody, you're not going to heaven.
And I want you to go to heaven.
Amen.
I'm getting up a group.
Amen.
I've asked God to give me at least a million more souls before I die.
And they're all going to meet.
We're going to have a meeting in heaven.
Yes.
We are.
All the people I wonder, Lord, I'm going to have a big meeting in heaven.
It's going to be wonderful, Ricky.
Amen.
Yeah.
And heaven is real.
Amen.
That's right.
Don't miss it.
Don't miss it.
Jesus loves you.
Yeah.
He really does.
Amen.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.
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Shake your hand.
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