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July 22, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Perry Stone Part 2
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30 Years of Friendship 00:14:25
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, evangelist Perry Stone talks about the American reset, Trump, Prophecy, and the soul of a nation.
Our co-hosts today are Pastor Ricky Baker and Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
Hello, everybody.
Evangelist Perry Stone, one of the great preachers of all times.
Oh, is here.
All times.
He's my friend.
How long have you known me?
Jim, so long that we won't talk about it.
I would say probably about 30, 35 years.
Yeah, and it's been a long time.
But I was a kid when we went to Charlotte and on the property there.
And I preached there.
I preached a camp meeting in the barn years later.
And it was tremendous.
That's a great facility.
This is beautiful here.
My son walked in and said, oh, this is, whoa, this is cool.
So speaking of my son, Jonathan is my only son that I have.
He's about 35 years of age.
And God has really touched him and inspired him.
And he, Jim, I'm going to predict something.
I met him today.
He's fabulous.
Oh, his mind.
He's going to be one of the great writers of our time.
And he has a great mind on sci-fi, like parallel universes.
He's going to write a really...
I wish I understood it.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's going to write a crazy, kind of a novel sci-fi book.
But he can also write biblical stuff.
And so I'm like, he needs to expose what they did to you.
Ooh, brother.
You don't want him to do it.
Why not?
Because he is sharp with the sword.
Can you tell him on television what happened to you?
Well, there was just a number of things that happened at one time.
And I just, kind of, it triggers me a little bit.
And Jonathan says, don't talk about it anymore.
Okay, you know.
But I will tell you this, that he wrote you on the spot.
He wrote something and put it on his webpage that was so ingenious and he slyly, slightly said a few things.
And his mom said, you've got to see what he just wrote.
And I went, Jonathan, you're going to get us in trouble.
And so he, but he's, I'm telling you, he's a thinker and he's going to be one of the great writers of our time for this generation.
His actual thought, I think he's got, we got something called manaverse that he's working on.
And so his idea is to reach his generation with his style of writing.
I've reached mine, but he's got to reach the next one.
So was it something that you had to forgive and release?
Oh, for sure.
Okay.
Yeah, for sure.
But it's almost for a while, it was a continual type of thing, you know.
And instead of maybe dealing with what was the actual issue, people go to the extreme and start adding and flying in here, all that kind of stuff.
But the Lord, I want to say this, the Lord came through in about four different times at four different places, and it was completely, totally the sovereignty of God that really helped us to do everything.
And that man's rabbi?
Bishop, I mean?
Bishop.
He looks like a rabbi.
Bishop and Radley.
He's an Ethiopian rabbi.
He's my best friend.
Rabbi's going to be here with me next week.
This man got a great church.
I've already heard about it.
I've already heard about him.
I have dedicated it, so I know it.
It's one of the great churches in the world.
God, we're going to go there.
To all you folks that attend this man's church, I don't know when I can.
I'm coming to preach.
Yes.
That's it.
I want to be there when he's there.
Hopefully it's going to be real soon.
Yeah, we're trying to work out something.
Sure, I have somebody pick me up.
Absolutely.
I don't drive anymore, people.
I'm sorry.
I wish I could.
But since I've had all these strokes, they don't want me to drive.
But I can drive.
I really believe I could.
I think you do anything you put yourself in.
My wife doesn't believe I can.
You gotta have a license to do that.
Come on, Ricky.
Help me, God.
We'll give you a bump of car.
Well, I have a car.
I want to come and see you.
If he's able to come, and I've already asked you to come yesterday, wouldn't it be nice to have just church?
I'm coming soon.
Yes.
I mean, we're going to talk about forgiveness, but wouldn't it.
And I'm going to blow the socks off the church.
Hey, when he dedicated the church, he stood up and said, and there was literally over a thousand people there.
It was phenomenal.
And when he came to the microphone, he says, I am back.
And it sent a shockwave through the whole church.
For about a minute, people didn't stop praising God.
It was amazing.
Now, I want to ask the audience something because this is a mature audience.
I don't ever use the word age or old.
We're mature.
We have matured.
How many of you, when you hit about 60 to 65, you came to the realization that you really don't give a rip anymore what people think?
Raise your hand.
Oh, I love this crowd.
No wonder they're here to hear us.
I mean, I really want to do it.
No, it really is.
You know, you want to say things correctly with respect and everything, but there comes a point.
It's just like this opinion of Perry and that opinion of Perry.
It's like, who really gives a rip?
Right.
You know, and so, and when you have, I leave it up to God.
Yeah, you do.
You tell me.
Let God judge everything.
You have to totally do that, Jim.
You really do.
And when I go play, I ask God to guide me so I go to the right places.
I can't even pick where I go.
You know, I was in Indiana a couple of weeks ago, and I had this couple come up to me and said, I can't wait until the book is released because I got healed on that show.
And then I was in revival in a city in Missouri, and the lady watched the show and drove to our hometown and said that she believed that God was healing their marriage after 30 years of unforgiveness.
Thank God.
30 years of unforgiveness.
Can you believe that?
30 years?
Oh, this is so powerful.
I was just in a city outside of Fayetteville, between Fayetteville and Fort Smith, Arkansas, at a conference a couple weeks ago.
And the pastor said to me, they were dealing with, I preached on Jezebel that night, but it wasn't directly, just the spirit of Jezebel.
And he says, I'm waiting on pastors, preachers, evangelists, whoever, that will come when you preach about a spirit, but nobody tells us how to overcome the spirit.
I thought that was very powerful because you can preach about Absalom, Jezebel, Hazi, all these spirits that are a corrupt, the spirit that attacks leadership.
But how do you function?
How do you deal with them in the church?
Because preaching about them is one thing.
That's information without revelation.
Absolutely.
Because if you give the information, and this is where I've had to work on for years, is making sure that at the end, I tell the how.
There you go.
Like whatever you preach, how do you get saved?
How do you receive the Holy Spirit?
How do you, yeah, that's that's a good point.
So that's a good question for you guys because we've talked about it.
So how do we forgive?
What is the first step to begin forgiveness?
You have to make a choice.
Number one, you have to decide I'm going to forgive.
If you're waiting on a feeling, it ain't never going to come.
People say, I'll forgive when I feel like forgiving.
Where you may be waiting until Jesus comes.
Because the devil will make sure you never feel like forgiving.
You have to decide that I'm going to forgive.
You know, another thing is very important: when you go to forgive, think about your past, all of it.
Think about from the childhood all the way through and say, Was there ever anything I did that I'm thankful to be forgiven for?
That's where you say, God, because you forgave me, I am willing to let this person go.
Because, you know, when you think of some people's situation, if it weren't for the grace of God, you could be in their situation.
Whatever made them negative, whatever made them hateful or resentful, that could have happened to you.
And sometimes I have found out that when people have a very unforgiving spirit, that most of the time they had something happen in their life that they were never able to let go.
Now, I'm going to tell a story here, and I'm going to be very vague with it.
A lady came to me, and it was someone I knew quite well, that said to me years ago when I was a young girl, it's kind of rural area.
She said, I was molested from age 14 to about 17 by a minister.
And I'm not going to name denominations because that's not significant here.
And said that, you know, he would have me do things, and I'm not going to go into that.
And she said, I thought that was what normal people did.
She said, I know that sounds stupid, but I thought, well, when you get to be a certain age, I guess this is what adults do.
Well, one day, he left his belt hanging up in a tree, and this girl's brothers found it.
So they went to her and said, Do you take care of this or do we?
And if the brothers would have done it, it would have been serious.
So she went to this man.
Again, she's not 18 yet.
In other words, this would be criminal today.
And she said, well, my brothers have found your belt, so you're in trouble.
Well, he left that area, but he had to leave his church because there were other things that happened.
Now, here's what I want to tell you.
Years later, this man's wife was in serious condition in a home.
This woman, who's now much older now, has come to see the wife because she remained friends with the kids in the family.
Never said nothing, never told nobody anything.
And then the man called her aside and said, I beg it.
He's crying, forgive me, forgive me.
I don't know what made me do that.
I've lived with this all my life.
I've been tortured by it.
She says, Look, you just forget it.
She says, I forgave you a long time ago, but now that you've told me, just let it go.
And here's what she said.
I have been forgiven of things, things, and say, you need to be forgiven of things.
So if Jesus forgave me, he'll forgive you.
And it was like the coolest thing.
And she said, I never told, I was the only person she ever told.
She said, I never told my family.
I never told my mom and dad.
I never told anybody in the family what he ever did.
And I said, let me ask you something.
What's the difference between you had this happen and now, let's say 30 years later, you're not attacking him, going on social media.
I was molested like a lot of people do.
You have moved on.
What's the difference between someone that went through what you went through who really stays in that cycle of remembering, remembering to the point that they want retaliation versus someone who forgives?
And she says, when you have been forgiven of much, you love much.
There you go.
There you go.
She says, the problem in some areas is church people have been in church so long, they think they're perfect in the watch, but they're not doing any sins of the flesh.
There's no drunkenness, adultery, fornication, or anything that would be a fleshly addiction.
But then they have sins of the spirit.
And most people do not know in the Bible there's sins of the flesh and sins of the spirit.
So I can see your sins of the flesh.
Like when you do something wrong and they pull you over, I say, oh man, so-and-so is drunk and you believe it.
Sin of the flesh.
Or somebody confesses a sin that they've did with a woman or a man.
But you see that.
You can't see that.
Can walk in a church and you have a 30-minute show, and you've already taken 15 minutes.
Well, you need to interrupt because you're the host.
I just want to announce that we are planning to bishop you.
And I'm sure, in fact, I'm going to ask Steve Chikolani, who's in the audience today.
He's one of the great prophets of God.
And Perry Stone is a legend, almost an elder.
Almost.
Try yes, Steve.
He has gray hair.
Yeah, that's a sign of it, you know.
We're going to have an elders' commission program.
Oh, wow.
And we want you two to come, and I want Chikolani.
You've got a real unusual name.
Steve's easy, but he's and I. You can hear five more or so.
Yes.
And I want everybody to come.
And these are court of an elders' meeting.
A prophet's meeting.
It's in the Bible.
Find some name in the Bible.
We'll find it.
We'll take it.
Guys with the meeting.
You know, I told you, I said we need to do a meeting for ministers by ministers that says, what I've learned through decades of going through hell.
Right.
But are they dealing with the devil?
Because the younger guys have to learn.
It's a converts that they can ask anything they want.
Yes.
That would be very interesting.
And if it's too hot to be on the air, we'll edit it out.
See, that's excellent.
Good.
Yeah.
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Islam's Two Denominations 00:03:48
Let's talk about Mahdi.
Am I saying it right?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Very good.
Okay, let's go back.
Let's go talk about, let's talk about Islam real quick.
But I want you to also talk about New York and the man who was just pre-elected.
Yes.
Very interesting.
He's a communist.
Yeah.
Let's talk about the Middle East first.
But what in the world is going on in this world?
Well, Pastor, if you take the Middle East, you take Islam.
Islam is like the different, there's two denominations in Islam.
I'm going to break it down for Americans.
Sunni and Shia.
The Sunnis are the predominant 80% population of all of Islam out of 1.6 billion people.
The Shias are about 25%, 20 to 25%, and those estimates can vary.
Predominantly, the country of Iran that was just in war with Israel is Shia Islam.
The surrounding nations are predominantly Sunnis.
There are Shias in Yemen.
There are Shias in Iraq and in Syria, but it's a minority compared to the others.
Now, what a lot of people don't understand is Islam has its own eschatology.
Eschatology, meaning beliefs of the end time.
One of the beliefs that they believe is the War of God of Magog.
Now, believe this or not, in the Bible, they are mentioned in the War of God and Magog, but yet Islam, Judaism, and Christianity believe it's a coming war of God of Magog.
Each of them have a different outcome to that particular war.
And we won't have time to get into those outcomes.
Now, here's where the story gets intriguing.
There's what I call apocalyptic Islam.
In apocalyptic Islam, both branches of the Sunnis and the Shia have a person who is supposed to appear at the end of days who is known as Al-Mahadi.
Now, Al-Mahdi is the last Islamic leader that unites all of Islam under one banner.
He is also supposed to appear according to the belief of both branches with Isa ibn Mariim.
And that is, Isa is the name for Jesus.
So in Islam, there is this belief that Jesus appears at the end of days, but not as we think.
The Jews are, devout Jews are either Messianic Jews or they are Jews that's looking for their Messiah to come in the future.
Christianity, true Christianity, believes that Jesus is the Messiah and fulfilled the prophecies.
However, in Islam, they have a strong belief of Isa or Jesus.
We'll call his name Isa slash Jesus because that's the name they use.
And they believe that when Jesus came to earth, he lied.
That he said he was the Son of God and He's not the Son of God.
So he must come back from heaven and apologize to the world and say that he is not the Son of God.
However, he will perform miracles in the eyes of people to show he is the real Jesus.
Now, in case you're wondering where all that's in the Bible, it's in Revelation 13.
Oddly enough, what Islam believes, they did not base it on Revelation 13.
Well, will that be the Antichrist?
That's the Antichrist.
That's why I've been studying this week.
Yeah, Al-Mahdi will come on a white horse.
That's Revelation 6.
Remember that?
The white horse.
He will make a treaty.
Many Muslims say for seven years.
Oh, that's interesting.
Daniel 9:27, seven-year treaty.
He will behead people who do not follow him.
And the beheading is mentioned in Revelation, the souls of them that were beheaded for the people.
Read What He Believes 00:09:56
Okay, help me now.
Yeah, yeah.
If you look at this guy, back me up now.
See them.
He has really a great smile.
Yeah, great look.
Charisma.
Great look.
He's not bad looking.
I mean, you know, if people want to say about a human being, but he is the ideology is very, very bizarre.
He's fooling New York.
And this is the beginning of communism in the United States of America.
I mean, as far as really electing a majority.
The ideology is very socialistic.
Everything free, free, free, free.
Read what he believes.
Yeah, that's what I would encourage people to just go and read what he believes.
Now, I will say this.
Politics are nasty.
They have not yet pulled out against him what they know about him.
And so he's not a shoe-in.
Even though he won this big vote, he's not a shoe-in.
And there are people on the Democratic Party who will never tell you this publicly, but they're very upset that this person represents the party.
Because what it does, it's going to take the party past.
I want to ask you a question.
It's going to take it past woke into something that is just really...
This is important.
I'm sorry.
Why do young people vote for a communist?
What's the young people do?
It's not the communist ideology as much, in my opinion, as they are raised in universities that socialists are the professors.
So socialists are always promoting socialism.
How did they happen in America?
Well, we support, you know, we've got Ivy League, and you don't see a lot of that in the southern Clemson, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia.
You don't see a lot of that political courses that you can take.
But you don't see that ideology.
Oh, they're not.
Just look at what they're teaching and you understand what they have produced.
And so I can say this, I think.
I have a lot of, I'm on TV a lot in the Northeast.
I have some very, very good friends in the Northeast.
But if you take the Northeastern part of the United States and you take the southern part, which where we live, we live, you know, Louisiana, Missouri, which is Midwest, actually not in this much southern, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia.
I'm telling you, it's two different worlds.
And in our world where we are, we have 380 churches in our county with 120,000 people.
We have churches that run 1,000 to 2,000 in our congregation in our area.
Listen, out of 10 cities that read the Bible and go to church, you know who the top three, two, let me say it again.
Of the 10 cities surveyed that go to church and read their Bible that has more people professing Christians and reading the Word of God.
Out of 10 cities in America, Tennessee has three.
Knoxville, Chattanooga, and I think it's Memphis.
Memphis, okay, that's the black community in Memphis is very strong.
Church of God in Christ.
So when we look at what's happening, it's the indoctrination that's taking place.
Now, I want to stop and say something right here, Jim.
The people that protest all the time and think that the terrorists did right in killing the people to liberate Palestine, all they need, but they won't look at it.
None of them will look at it, is to take somebody with a big screen and play 47 minutes that Israel collected of the terrorist burning a baby in an oven, cutting off a woman's breast, chopping off people's fingers, having kids watch, then blowing their brains out and laughing about it.
But not one of those liberal groups will ever look at those videos.
They refuse to do it.
Put it up in a city where they're protesting, put guards out there and say, everybody's going to watch this.
I don't know, it would make them harder.
I don't know if they'd say it was fake, but I tell you, there's people that it wouldn't even faze them.
That's how hard we become.
So I would say to people that whether, you know, we vote presidential elections, but mayor elections, senator, congressman, elections, please pay attention because we are in very crucial times.
What does this election tell America?
Well, it tells us that we have a younger generation out of touch with reality.
And all they want, give me free stuff.
Do they want to be communists?
They think communism, this is the problem.
They don't know what communism is.
They don't use communism.
They use socialism.
And socialism is supposed to be making everybody equal.
Talk to a person who come out of a socialist communist country and ask them if they like it and ask them why they came here.
They're the ones that killed the Jews.
I mean, hello.
Ask it.
You came here to America.
Why did you come here?
They came here to get away from that.
So listen to people who've been there.
Why is America going towards the past?
I think, though, it's a spirit.
I think, honestly, it's just a spirit of the age.
And I think the church is going to have to be very alert future for the Antichrist to arrive.
Yeah.
And another thing, Jim, that I have to keep reminding myself, because I know a lot of different information.
I say, what are we going to do?
And God says, look, in the long run, I'm orchestrating the major events.
And he said, you know, and I get real perturbed.
Why didn't he do that?
For example, I don't think Trump should have stopped the war after that bombing.
That's my opinion.
I think he should have went ahead and let Israel continue to take out more places, more roads, more military.
But he wanted it stopped.
So they listened to the U.S.
But he's trying to be known as a peacemaker.
He wants to bring it up.
That's it.
He wants to be a peacemaker.
And I said this on Facebook the other day, and I got jumped on all over.
He wants a Nobel Peace Prize.
And that's not a bad thing to want, but you have to be careful that it doesn't become so, you're so possessed to do that, and I don't mean possessed in a bad way, that you cut back things that could need to be done, you know.
So it's going to be very interesting to see.
Definitely, folks, in the next couple months, especially a couple years to the Lord Terry, it's going to be interesting, but believers have to stay strong.
That's my word.
You've got to stay strong.
You've got to stay informed.
Read a lot.
Read the Bible a lot.
Go to God's house, fellowship with people, do Bible studies, have prayer meetings, do everything you can to keep your faith built up.
What's going on in America?
We got like law.
California is anti-oh, it's a different world.
Place.
It's a different New York and Chicago.
Yeah.
Lawlessness.
Yeah.
Why?
Why?
Why, Bishop?
Yeah.
It's the spirit of the age, is it?
The spirit of this age.
But people don't even know it.
We all live here and.
Well, the Bible says this, whom the God of this world hath blinded.
Blinded them.
And I think that's the bottom line.
It's just the spirit of the God.
Are you blinded?
No.
These people are awake.
Are you alive?
Alert.
See what the devil's trying to do.
The older generations live through a lot and know a lot.
And they have a lot of information and they know how they know what's coming.
They have the discernment because they've been in church and around men of God, people of God, saints of God, mom and dad, grandma and granddad their whole life.
I've been saying all week and the last six months, read Matthew 24.
It's there.
It's all there, Jim.
Read it if you want to know where we are.
And we're at verse 11.
You know where we are?
And then read Revelation and you'll find out.
And I know you don't want Revelation.
You don't want to hear it.
But it's there.
It's the only book that's blessed if you read it and keep it.
So that might be an inspiration for somebody to pick it up.
You know why?
Because you have to read it and read it and reread it to get you eventually understand it.
Yeah, you will.
I promise you.
Yeah.
I read it in prison a hundred times, probably.
Wow.
And you know what it really is?
You know what the theme is?
Jesus in chapter one is a priest.
In chapter 19, he becomes king.
Priesthood of Melchizedek.
Prophet, priest, and king.
Prophet on earth.
He's a king.
Prophet on earth.
All right.
Priest in heaven, coming back as king.
Book of Revelation is Jesus transferring to king.
Our time's gone.
You got to come back.
I will.
You know I will.
You better.
Invite me.
You better come back.
Bishop, come back, okay?
Yes, sir.
You and I have got to write fast.
We've got a book coming out that's going to be the bestseller in the world.
Amen.
And, Ricky, could you imagine going to a church and the great prophet is there conducting a prayer meeting?
Bishop, do you understand what I'm saying?
I'm listening.
I'm following you.
And he prophesied seven things.
I'll give you just one because we got to go.
He said, I would help usher in the coming of the Lord.
Oh, yes.
Really?
You wonder why I'm not dying, Ricky.
Come on.
My, my, my.
Oh, geez.
Wow.
And I'm trying to take at least another million with me.
Yeah.
And I've already planned a reunion up in heaven.
And so if you got saved today and you asked Jesus to come into your heart, that's powerful.
Jam, meet me in heaven.
You're like Methuselah.
All the antediluvian guys passed away except Methuselah.
And then when he died, the flood came.
Yeah.
Well, I stay around a long time.
I got a lot I want to do.
Poor Roberts died.
Billy Graham is died.
All the men, I'm telling you.
All the those who of the world, the personal world, are killed.
Jesus said, He kept me alive for this time.
Amen.
85 years ago.
Franklin Graham told me when Billy Graham died, God told them that all hell is going to start breaking loose on earth.
Yeah, it happened too.
We're in the end days.
Give your heart to Jesus.
Amen.
He loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Amen.
Love you guys.
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