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July 17, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Rick Joyner
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Encouragement in Uncertain Times 00:12:31
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, our special guest is the author of over 50 books, Rick Joyner.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
We want to say thank you for tuning in with us.
Welcome back to the Jim Baker Family Show.
We're honored to have Rick Joyner with us here again.
He's the founder of Morningstar Ministries and the author of The Final Quest.
For over five decades, Rick has shared accurate prophetic dreams, visions, and revelations.
And today, we'll unpack some of the headlines going around the world today: Israel, Iran, U.S. policy, and global conflict, but from a biblical perspective.
So, Rick Jordan, I want to say thank you for joining the broadcast with us today.
Tell us a little bit update how the ministry is going, your health, and we want to know everything that's going on in Rick Joyner's life.
Well, the ministry is doing great.
I'm doing so good.
I just am concerned that I may get penalized in heaven for how good I've had it here.
But really, on all fronts, it's just been a wonderful time and getting better every day.
But yeah, I'm personally doing well.
Healthwise, I'm doing well.
I'm still recovering from the stroke I had a couple of years ago, but about the only thing I left have left to recover from is kind of a perpetual busyness that I think keeps me restrained.
And in some ways, that I may need.
It's like a short leash.
But my time now is spent seeking the Lord, spending many hours a day with him as I can.
And that's most of the time.
Yeah, we're just having a great time.
Amen.
I love his positive out.
I love the positive outlook on this.
You know, a lot of people, when they go through a hard time, a trial or tribulation, a stroke, a heart attack, something that puts them down, it's woe is me.
And that's the mindset.
And it continues to be the mindset of this is who I am now.
This is my identity.
He said, you know, I think I might get penalized in heaven for how good I'm doing.
Amen.
If we all could hold that perspective, I want to say thank you for that.
I'm going to encouraging to hear, you know, you can go through things and still not lose your joy.
No, absolutely.
And I love you, Rick.
Thank you for always being a friend to the ministry, a friend to our family, personally to myself over the years.
I have to ask you this question because we've known you for a long time.
And can I ask you this?
How did you learn to hear from God to be able to prophesy words that are a now moment?
Well, I would just say I think the only way we can really learn to know the voice of the Lord is you've got to spend time with him.
It's just like the sheep learning the voice of their shepherd.
They heard him singing, talking to these sheep and everything every day.
And pretty soon they would know his voice so well.
Anybody came up talking or saying anything, they would know instantly that's not my shepherd.
They knew the voice of their shepherd by being with him so much.
And I just don't think there's any substitute for that.
Amen.
There is no substitute for relationship with the Holy Spirit.
We were talking about this the other day and we were saying, you know, people were asking on food on Facebook, how do I know the word of God better?
It says, well, have a better relationship with the Holy Spirit.
And it goes the other way.
How do you know the Holy Spirit better?
Have a better relationship with the word of God.
You know, Mondo, it's good to be able to maintain joy through trial and tribulation.
We're going to talk about headlines today.
Rick, I want to talk about something you recently spoke on: the U.S. airstrikes against Iranian nuclear sites.
You know, from a prophetic lens, did America make the right call?
But, Mondo, when we see things happening, wars, rumors of wars, turbulence, tribulation, hard times, and we are called a peculiar people, I believe it's because we'll maintain joy.
Absolutely.
The joy of the Lord is my strength.
And the strength comes by hearing the word, speaking faith, reading His Word, and just like Rick said, spending time with the Lord.
I am amazed that after 27 years walking with the Lord, how many people stop walking with Him?
They stop having a relationship with Him, they stop hearing from God.
I think one of the first things that I've learned throughout my Christian walk, the first thing I learned was to learn to hear from God, but spending time with Him, especially with what's happening right now around the world: the rumors of wars, the distractions here in America, the back and forth of politics, who's right, who's wrong.
I mean, I'm telling you, there's getting a we're entering a moment that confusion has set in within the church where the church doesn't even know what the right thing is nowadays.
That's the scary part.
When the church should be the moral compass of where we should go, the church doesn't know which way to go.
Not all the church, but I want to tell you something.
Those that are not willing to hear his voice are confused on matters on which the Bible says there are non-negotiables for him.
And that's where we are today.
But the joy of the Lord is our strength when we build that relationship with him and learn to speak with him and learn.
Get this, just like Brother Rick Joyner said, spending time with him.
That's right, spending time with the Lord.
Rick, I know you've been commenting on the things happening around the world.
So that goes back to my question: Did America make the right call by getting involved with this by striking Iranian nuclear facilities?
I don't have much doubt about it.
I thought it had to be done.
It, you know, I think Trump was right to do everything he could to make peace so that this wouldn't have to happen to give them a chance to come to the table and surrender their, you know, nuclear program.
And they didn't take it, but I think he went the extra mile to give them time to do that.
And when they didn't, I was a little alarmed when Trump said he would make a decision on whether to strike them within two weeks.
But then I felt pretty quickly, he's got something else planned.
He's not going to take two weeks.
And he ended up taking two days.
He already had things in motion.
When that 60 days was up, when he said, at the end of this time, we don't have any more time because they were getting their uranium very close to weapons grade in Richmond.
And it had to be done.
I think if they had waited or not done it, we would be looking at nuclear strikes from Iran and a nuclear conflict over there in the Middle East.
I think Israel did what they had to do.
And America, I'm just so thankful.
You know, Israel's our ally.
How could you let your ally, your good friend, be engaged in something of that magnitude that you know is really fighting for not just Israel and the survival of Israel, but really for the world?
How could you not engage with them?
And Trump, I think in every way, I've been just astonished at how I think he's done it as close to perfect as maybe it could have been done.
You know, we're entering times and we're in times when sometimes the best decision is only a tiny bit better than the worst decision.
And, you know, we can expect this to come up, which means even when you make a perfect decision sometimes, or the very best one of all, it is still going to have some downside to it.
It's going to have repercussions.
Nothing's going to be done perfectly in this age by men.
And the only perfect leader, you know, is in heaven now.
And that was Jesus.
And he'll come again and fix things.
But in the meantime, we've got to look for decisions to become increasingly difficult because there is such a thin line between the best decision and the worst decision.
And I also believe, like, I believe it was Churchill who said that the wrong decision can be better than no decision.
You know, the basic law of inertia says you cannot steer anything that's not moving.
So if you get moving, you do something, even if you start out by making a wrong decision, he can direct you if you're moving.
And we can be directed and we can change if we need to.
But we're in those times, being able to make bold, decisive decisions, I think is one of the most important characteristics every leader needs in these days, whether you're a church leader, government leader, business leader, whatever.
But I think Trump has raised that bar dramatically on what decisive, bold leadership looks like.
And you can only do that if you're walking in faith, which one definition to me of faith is having courage.
If you're really moving in faith, you will have courage also.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, I want to ask you this question because we've seen a common theme going around with pastors and people on social media influencers, they call them Mondo, where people are really pushing for something called replacement theology.
We've seen it.
It's been refuted with people like Billy Graham, Charles Spurge, and other church leaders.
But we're seeing that now make a huge comeback in this generation, where they're saying Israel, the nation, is not the true Israel, but it's simply the body of believers.
Rick, what do you say about that?
Because that really downgrades how much we can support the nation of Israel from a Christian perspective.
Well, I think three chapters in the book of Romans, Romans 9 through 11, absolutely refute that and clearly describe that the natural seed of Israel, all the promises to the natural seed of Israel, that they will come to pass.
They will be grafted back in.
Everything that was promised them, they have not been voided by us.
And I think one of the things that we're going to have to understand and move in is that, you know, our purpose is bound up with Israel's purpose and to the degree that it is interlaced.
And we cannot become what we're called to be and we cannot do what we're called to do.
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And I'm talking about the body of Christ without Israel also coming to be what it's called to be and coming to do and being willing to do what it's called to do.
So there's, I think, a uniting of all of the seed of Abraham, both the natural and the spiritual, that we need to understand.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, we'll be right back with Rick Joyner in just a moment as we talk more about internal U.S. conflicts, leadership, conflicts from around the world.
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Rick, I want to reflect on the dream that you shared several years ago on martial law threatening the way of life here in America.
Do you see the parallels going on right now?
Are you starting to see it?
Well, I've been seeing it all along.
Waiting On Him 00:12:57
You know, that's one question I get asked probably more than any other.
You know, I had a dream about the coming Second American Revolution/slash Civil War.
And the encouraging thing about it, at the end of the dream, I was soon in fiery script written: it is inevitable, it is right, and it will be successful.
And I think you can see things as well as things are going now.
I think Trump is off to the best start.
He's dealing with everything that has to be dealt with that I think, and not just some way, but in a profound and wise way.
He's winning.
He said we were going to win so much, we get tired of winning.
I'm not tired of that yet, but it's shocking how everything he touches turns out really good, including the tariffs, including this strike on Iran, and so many other things that have been such bold moves.
I can't imagine any other leader today being as decisive and bold as he is, but also is right.
And with the wisdom he has.
Now, I think Trump has an uncanny discernment of the Holy Spirit.
I don't even know if he knows it, but I spent an hour with him one time in his office.
There were six of us.
And, you know, a lot of what was being shared, I thought was just people trying to, you know, get his, you know, approval of them or to recognize them for certain things.
And but anytime something was said that I felt like that was really anointed, I watched him, his eyes would get big and he would stare.
And I started thinking in that meeting, he really discerns God when he speaks.
And I don't know if he would put it like we do, but I think he does.
He pulled me aside after that meeting and I shared four things with him.
And I'd done it real quick because there was so much jostling for time and to say something.
And I wasn't going to jump in that.
But when I got the chance and I said what I did afterwards, he pulled me aside and he had heard everything I said.
He grabbed my hands and he said, I heard what you said and I will do these things.
And I'll say, right away, within a few days, he had done something that was very important with remarkable results.
And then over the period of time, I used to get on these White House calls, I think it was once a month or so.
And every now and then, he or one of his kids would get on and just say how he had accomplished so much of one of these things that I had said to him.
And that's just remarkable to me.
And I started thinking then, I don't know of anyone that is a better listener than he is.
I mean, when you talk to him, he not only hears you, he focuses and he hears every word.
And I've noticed that trait in his children too.
I've spent a little time with Eric and some, and they had this amazing ability to listen, to hear you.
And, you know, Jesus said, be careful how you hear.
And I know you, Ricky, being in the Army, you know, or were you in the Marine Corps?
I'm sorry, I forget which one you were in.
But anyway, you know how they teach you right away how to listen by teaching you to march.
And you've got to hear the instructions, left face or right face or whatever, right away and do it right away and in harmony with everyone else, or there's going to be a big pile up.
And it's going to be embarrassing and it's going to cost you a lot of push-ups, a lot of running laps, a lot of something if you're the one that does it.
And, you know, how that wasn't, they didn't care that much about us being pretty on, you know, parade.
They wanted us to hear instructions.
And later, when I was a pilot, well, you know, I had to hear the clearances.
Exactly.
And when you're going into a real busy airport, they don't have time to read back your clearance to you.
They would give it to you and they would tell you, don't read back.
They didn't have time for that.
You better hear it first time and you better do it or you could be in real jeopardy and so could you could be putting a lot of other people in jeopardy.
But I believe that's one of the most rare characteristics in our time is people being able to hear, to listen.
And I think it's as bad in the body of Christ as anywhere else.
It's a rare thing to find someone that really listens to what you're saying.
And then even more rare when they go out and do it.
They write it down.
They don't forget it.
They put it in their to-do list.
They mark it off.
And, you know, it's not those who hear his words, but those who do them.
They're the ones who are building on the rock.
And that is such an important characteristic.
And I would say I really don't think I've ever met anyone who listened as carefully as the Trump family, but Trump himself, I think he conveyed this to his family.
But it's really an amazing thing.
And it's something we all need much more.
I honestly think we are hearing from the Lord much more than we realize.
I'm talking about virtually every Christian, but they're talking too much or their mind is drifting and they're thinking about all kinds of other things that they, so that they miss him when he speaks.
They don't hear him.
That's why I think something really crucial, if we really are going to be, you know, trusted with the real important revelation is learning to wait upon the Lord.
Those who wait upon him will gain new strength, will rise up like eagles and etc.
That is such a thing.
And that's what I've been trying to discipline myself to do.
Sometimes I may be sitting outside for an hour or sometimes several hours.
And it looks to everybody, I'm not doing anything.
I'm doing a lot.
I'm waiting on the Lord.
And I'm trying to calm my mind.
I'm calm, trying to listen.
If it takes him an hour, and one time, I think it was five hours before he spoke to me.
And I know people today that they'll fire for prayer, prayer for the Lord, speak to him, do something, and they don't listen.
They don't wait.
They don't have that time where they are sitting, sitting in, waiting upon him to hear his voice.
And in this day of, you know, instant everything, I myself, I mean, Lord told me my worst flaw was impatience.
I can stand just one or two people back in a line at a fast food restaurant.
I'm going, hurry up, hurry up.
You know, I'm not saying it, but that's what I'm thinking.
I'm getting impatient.
And I think that's what that stroke was all about.
The Lord asked me if I wanted him to help him with that impatience.
And I say, yeah.
And that's, that was the best thing it could have.
I think it was one of the best things that ever happened to me.
I think I started seeing him in many more places and many more ways after that stroke than I'd ever had before.
How can we pray based on what you're hearing from the Lord right now?
Well, I see, you know, you know, the Lord is ever lives to intercede for us.
He's interceding for us right now.
I want to pray his prayers, not just what I want.
I want to know what he wants.
And I want to be in unity with him.
And that's a great way to, I think, come into greater unity with him is learning to wait upon him, listen, even for our prayers.
And now, I think any prayer is better than no prayer.
And that we would really give our time to look to him, to trust him enough that it's much more important to have authority with God than it is to have authority over men.
I think being able to be an intercessor that God hears, that he respects, that he will listen to and speak to is more important than any position we could hold on this earth, government or anything else.
I don't care.
But so I think I've got one of the most important jobs in the world, and I want to do it for the highest excellence.
And that means waiting on him, being responsive to him.
Amen.
We have to take the time to wait on the Lord.
Rick, I want to say thank you for guiding us through these times biblically and prophetically.
We'll be praying into what you have shared, gearing up for our next conversation, another show with you.
And Lamondo, we all should be praying that we could hear from God directly.
But like he said, we should also be giving God the time to speak to us in these moments.
Oh, man.
If there was ever a moment, it is now.
That's right.
To set everything aside and prioritize his voice, his time.
You're going to need it in a time to know discernment for your family, for your ministry, for your business, for yourself.
Discernment in this hour is necessary in order to spend time with the Lord to develop that discernment in times that we're in right now.
Amen.
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