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July 9, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Michelle Steele
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Why We Trust God 00:04:28
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, our special guest is author, pastor, preacher, and teacher, Michelle Steele.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
This is the Jim Baker Family Show.
We're excited you have tuned in with us today.
Today, we have a powerful day of hope and healing as we welcome back a woman whose life has been radically transformed by the power of prayer.
Later on in this broadcast, we're going to have Pastor Michelle Steele as she was rescued from an addiction and crime lifestyle, but not by chance.
It was by the Lord.
Her life is a living testimony of God's goodness.
You know, you can turn on the news right now and see everything that's happening around the world, and it's easy to become anxious.
But the founder of this network, the PTL television network, Jim Baker, has a message for you today.
If you are suffering from anxiety because of what's happening around the world, listen to this and listen to what your friend has to say.
But life is getting so crazy that we don't focus on God.
If it's in the Bible, it is written.
The trouble with people, you know, I try to tell them there is a disease from the animals that will kill one-fourth of the world's population.
And they'll say, oh, that's fantasy.
That's just something in the Bible.
Everything in the Bible is either taking place or it's going to take place.
But the Bible says, do not worry.
Isn't that good?
Yes.
You know, if you die and you're a Christian, you don't need to worry because you just go to be with Jesus and you're going to heaven.
You're going to a place like nobody knows on this earth.
I'll tell you that.
So don't be anxious about tomorrow, the Bible says in Matthew 6, 34.
Don't be anxious.
God will take care of your tomorrow too.
This is from the living Bible.
It says, live one day at a time.
But we, the Lord's coming soon, don't worry about anything, but pray and ask God for everything that you need.
That's what the word says in Philippians 4, verse 5 through 7.
You ought to read that whole thing.
Keep your heart and mind in Christ Jesus, for the very hairs of your head is numbered, the Bible says.
So fear not, therefore.
Don't be afraid.
Don't worry, Isaiah 44, 8 says.
Worry is a heavy load, it says in Proverbs, but a kind word cheers you up.
Amen.
So we're to trust God during this time.
Amen.
We're to trust God during this time.
We are living in a world that wants you to be riddled with anxiety.
It's just the reality of it.
Why?
Because when you are in a place of anxiety and depression, what do we do?
We typically sink back into our own emotions and we disregard all the things we've been taught through our entire lives, whether you grew up a Christian or the things that you read throughout the scripture.
The Bible says, be anxious for nothing.
And what does the word of God say?
Cast your cares on him.
Why?
Because he cares for you.
There is a true and a living God who cares for you.
And what an incredible thing.
Friends, we have with us an exciting guest, Michelle Steele.
Her story is living proof of what happens when someone dares to pray intervention prayers.
And we're going to be talking about her new book, Intervention Prayers, Powerful Prayers to Rescue and Restore Your Family.
Michelle, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
I want to ask you a question before we jump right into intervention prayers and the details of the book.
What is an intervention prayer?
An intervention prayer is a 911 call to heaven.
It is a way to connect the power and the resources of God to the loved one who is in the situation that they can't get themselves out of.
And so there are connections we have as believers to the power of God to bring the power to the situation.
We can pray and God will get involved and intervene and do what nobody else can do in that situation.
A Moment of Truth 00:08:28
You know, such a powerful story.
We were reading Escaping Hell based off a true story.
This is not fiction.
This is your life story.
So tell us for the people who are at home, you can go and order this book.
We encourage you to do so.
But for the people at home, give us a synopsis of what was your life like before the Lord?
I was involved in a life of crime and addiction.
It didn't start out that way.
I was raised in an affluent home in the suburbs of Nashville, Tennessee.
I babysat for grand ole Opry music stars.
I trick-or-treated at grand ole Opry singers' homes, country music singers' homes.
And I had learned to drive in a Mercedes-Benz.
So it looked like I had everything going for me.
But at a young age, I was molested by three different adults.
And those times of violation opened a door for the enemy to deceive me and to bring a self-destruction into my life.
And at the age of 15 years old, I began experimenting with drugs and experimenting with alcohol and ended up running away from home.
I became a prostitute on the streets of Nashville, Tennessee.
And from the age of 15 to the age of 24, I was involved in this life of addiction and this life of crime.
And that's what I go through the details of that addiction.
And the addiction began as a way to escape reality.
A lot of people will turn to prostitution to pay for their addiction, but I turned to addiction to escape the decisions that I was making and that self-destruction because when I had been violated by those men, it convinced me that there was something wrong with me and that I was unworthy.
And so this self-destruction was something that began in those early years, but it just began to catapult.
It had a momentum to it.
And I ended up at the end of that time facing the possibility of spending 10 years in the state penitentiary for three counts of attempted armed robbery.
The man I was involved in crime with, he was the one who had committed the armed robberies.
I was with him, and he was my husband and my pimp and the father of my children.
And so there was a whole life of this is what my life is.
And it was at the point the day before he went to court that he asked his grandmother said, Will you go to church with me?
And he went to church and he gave his heart to the Lord that day.
And he was asking me to go to church with him.
And I said, I can't go to church.
And I made, you know, light of it, like the walls will fall in and lightning will strike.
But on the inside, I thought, I can't go to God.
Wow.
God hates me.
Wow.
I was so convinced that God hated me that I would not turn to him, even in the worst of my situations.
And so he went to court.
He went to church that day, gave his heart to the Lord.
The day he went to court, someone had brought some drugs to him.
He ended up passing away of an overdose that night.
And it turned my life that was already in a whirlwind into an out-of-control, chaotic situation.
And I ended up, long story short, When he was being kept alive by the machines, a person who had prayed with him at that church that morning came to pray with me.
And I had cocaine in my shoe.
I had a syringe.
And all I could think of was, get this man with this Bible out of my face.
I want to go get high and escape reality.
And here is my husband in the ICU being kept alive by machines.
And this person convinces me to go to the chapel.
And he is in the chapel telling me for the first time in 23 years, this man made the gospel personal.
Wow.
He said, Jesus died for you.
If nobody else had been on the planet, he died for you.
And he made me, I was raised in the Bible belt, the buckle of the Bible belt.
And I had never heard the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ in a way that affected me personally.
And for one moment, that blinding deception that God hated me, there was a little tiny glimpse of hope.
It wasn't a huge revelation of the love of God.
It was a glimpse of hope.
And I thought in that moment, if God could help me, I want his help.
And he asked me to pray the sinner's prayer with him.
And I prayed, not in full knowledge of what I was doing, but I prayed.
And that opening gave God an opportunity to minister to me.
And the machines were taken off.
He passed away.
I went trying to get myself cleaned up, bought a Bible for a quarter at the thrift store.
I'm sitting there on drugs, trying to read the Bible, nodding out of sleep.
And I ended up going back, not knowing, you know, having not an understanding of what I had done.
But the Bible says that when you can be snared by the words of your mouth, I had prayed that prayer and asked God to help me.
Because of my decisions, I ended up in the back of a bar in the projects of East Nashville.
And I was doing cocaine nonstop three days.
I had done so much cocaine, I couldn't feel it anymore.
And I kept telling the person supplying my drugs, put more in, put more in.
And he put so much in that I ended up not being able to handle it.
And I put the needle in my arm, pushed the drugs in.
And before I could even pull it out of my arm, my heart stopped and I left my body.
But I was standing in front of a skull.
It wasn't a skeleton.
It was a skull.
And in that moment, my life was more, I was more aware than I had been in all of those 23 years.
I realized hell was real.
And all the jokes that I'd made about I'm going to get high in hell with the devil and I'm going to teach the devil how to party, all those foolish remarks that I'd made about hell all vanished.
And I was so aware of how real hell was.
And in that moment, hands of darkness, not black hands, hands, it was as if darkness had hands and they were reaching for me and trying to pull me in.
And in that moment, I ran back to my body.
I thought, I don't want to go to hell.
And I just ran.
And I ran until I hit my body.
And the person who was doing CPR one minute is trying to get a pulse, trying to pump my chest.
And the next minute, they're fighting this kicking, screaming, hysterical girl.
And I got up off the floor and I ran for two blocks in the rain with blood dripping down my arm before I realized I was back in my body.
That was a Sunday morning that I died in the back of that bar.
And I found out that church was having service that night and I went.
Wow.
And the people who had prayed with my husband came and got me and took me into their home and began taking me to revival.
And so the power of God was open to me in that time that I prayed and asked him and he rescued me.
And that's how I escaped hell.
Amen.
Isn't that incredible, Mondo?
There's a lot of people right now, Pastor Michelle, that are experiencing abuse, sexual abuse.
They're experiencing maybe even traffic by their own husband or their pimp.
Don't Believe the Lie 00:15:33
And as they hear your story, what message do you have for that young girl before she commits suicide, before she walks out and does the same thing as you did?
As a matter of fact, I'm thinking of a young lady that I talked to a few days ago.
The same situation you described, finds herself in the back of a bar getting ready to do meth instead of cocaine, feeling that she has no hope.
What message will you have for a young lady or a young man that is watching right now and is identifying with your story?
Don't believe the lie.
The power of God is real and the love of God is real.
And the lie that you don't have any reason to live is the whole deception that the enemy wants you to swallow.
He wants you to believe that, that there's no hope for you, that God doesn't care about you.
And that is an absolute deception of the enemy because God so loves you that he sent his only begotten son to pay the price to free you from the bondage, to free you from the shame.
A lot of what kept me in bondage was shame.
The shame of what I did is what convinced me that God couldn't love me.
And that shame is a tool the enemy uses.
That condemnation is the tool the enemy uses.
Don't believe the lie.
The blood of Jesus cleansed me from the shame of every sin I ever committed, every wrong I ever did.
The blood has washed me and I can go in the presence of God confident that he loves me now.
But I couldn't then because I hadn't experienced the blood of Jesus.
You know, two things, Ricky, that you always mention that people don't ever want to talk about.
One is the blood.
The second one is hell.
That's right.
I don't get it.
I don't understand it.
I don't understand why the church doesn't want to preach about the blood, why the church has walked away from the idea that hell does exist.
Ricky, you're a pastor.
You're hearing a lot of theology right now that is swaying to not believe in hell.
That's right.
As a pastor, what does that make you feel?
Because your congregation, the people watching, they're in that threshold of, do I believe in hell or do I not believe in hell?
What do you do?
What that does, first and foremost, is it lets a person think I can live whatever lifestyle I want to, whether it's diametrically opposed to the gospel or not.
And so what does that do?
It actually pulls them away from the heart of the Father.
That's the whole reason that theology has come about.
I truly believe it is a tactic of the enemy.
But Mondo, the thing that we do is we preach the goodness of God.
And when you preach the goodness of God, you realize there is something that is counter to this.
It is not all good because if you have all good with no bad, then what is, do we even measure the goodness of God with?
That's what I try to do.
And you know, it says the goodness of God that leads a man to repentance.
I know when I was in a point in my life where I was thinking, Lord, is this something that I want to do?
Do I want to live for you?
Do I want to actually surrender and submit myself fully to you?
It was the goodness of the Lord that brought me to his, you know, his mercy to be subservient to his will.
Then I realized, oh my goodness, the scripture teaches hell is real.
And that's what it boils down to is: do you believe the entire word of God or not?
I had this conversation with a gentleman last night.
We were talking about how he believes, you know, the Red Sea was split, truly, physical.
Then people walked through it.
He believes that there was a pillar of fire by night, a pillar of smoke during the day.
He believes all of these things in the Old Testament.
I say, do you really think they happen?
He said, absolutely.
Why?
I said, why?
Well, the Word of God says it.
I said, then why don't you believe in this as well?
The Word of God says it.
He goes, well, if it exists, then how is that?
You know, how is that a good God?
How is that this?
And I said, wait, wait, let's back up.
Either you believe the full word of God or you believe none of the word of God.
And Mondo, I think it just has to be preached.
That's what it boils down to: don't tell me your opinion.
Don't go up on a Sunday, pastor, and say, well, these are my opinions on what the, you know, this say, hey, this is what the word of God says.
We either as a congregation believe fully what the word of God says or we don't.
Pastors, I love the fact that we have pastors on the set today.
Can I ask you both this question?
Because I think a lot of people get it mixed up, the reality of hell.
What is hell in the Bible?
How do we believe that there is a heaven, but there is also a hell?
Can you walk us through the process of what hell is and why does the scripture say and describe hell in a way that the gnashing of teeth?
And I want to tell you something.
Why does the Bible describe it that way?
Is it that real?
It is real.
When I stood there, and this is my experience, and then we have scripture as well, but the reality of hell is necessary for people to understand because we are in an earth that is operating under the curse.
We have available to us the plan of God through the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
If you take and tell people that hell is not real, then that diminishes the price Jesus paid because he went to hell and paid the price for us.
It takes totally away from the punishment that he suffered, the separation from God.
For me, the greatest torment of hell is that.
To be eternally separated from God.
The wages of sin is death.
That's talking about spiritual death, not just physical death.
The spiritual death is a separation from God.
To be in hell is to be eternally separated from God.
And Jesus paid the price, not only with the blood that he shed on the cross, not only with the obedience that he gave to fulfill the plan, the will of the Father, but when he gave his life, he suffered the penalty I deserved in hell.
The only escape I have from hell is Jesus.
And to say hell is not real is to say that Jesus isn't as valuable as he is.
It's to say that his price of his life being given for us, not just him dying on the cross, but him suffering, separation from the father in hell, until the chastisement necessary to obtain our peace was paid in full.
Wow.
Amen.
Listen, if you want to learn more, you've written a beautiful book, Escaping Hell.
When I say beautiful, I mean not the fact that it's hell, but it's a beautiful description of where we are going to end up if we reject the God.
We can escape it.
That's right.
You know that many people don't talk like this.
People don't want to teach you about hell because, oh, why?
What a good God.
Listen, Pastor Troy Brewer said these words.
Don't confuse Jesus being nice with being loving.
He was not nice.
He was loving, but he was not a nice guy.
Now, I want to tell you something.
People don't understand that love and being nice are two different things.
He loves you enough so you don't end up in hell.
And I want to tell you something.
If you understand what love is, then you want to learn what this book is all about.
This is a true story: escaping hell.
This book right here is part of our affiliate program with Nori Media.
And by the way, while you're there, you got to get the new book, Intervention Prayers.
That's right.
This book right here, go hand in hand and partner it together.
Get a Bible study going on.
Listen, we always talk about Bible studies and all that.
You got to get the word in.
Get your Bible out, get these books out, and begin to teach what many are afraid to teach.
I guarantee you, your Bible study will start growing within days because people are hungry for the word.
Get the books today.
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Amen.
Now that we've laid the groundwork of the story, people understand who you are.
You said that your family was praying intervention prayers for you.
What's the difference between a regular prayer and an intervention prayer?
It is that prayer that brings the power of God to the situation.
I use that 911 call as a way to illustrate because when a person makes a phone call to 911, they are inviting the people who have the resources to fix the problem.
They're letting them know: this is the address.
We want you to come to this address.
This is the situation that's taking place.
And while they're on the phone, if there is any necessary intervention that needs to be done, they say, stay on the phone with me.
Ambulances are on the way.
We're coming, lights and sirens, but stay on the phone because I want to give you some instruction.
And that's what happens when we're praying intervention prayers.
It's not just a one-time prayer.
Boom, I'm done.
But I'm coming and I'm on the phone, and God's saying, This is how I need you to pray about this situation.
He's giving us specifics so that we're partnering, co-laboring together with God in the vehicle of prayer to bring the power of God, the resources necessary to bring life to that situation onto the scene.
Amen.
Intervention prayers.
Mona, you've experienced in life people praying intervention prayers for you.
How does someone begin?
Obviously, I know we can get this book, we can read through it, and we can start the intervention prayer.
But if someone's saying, I need intervention prayers, where does someone start there?
Do we reach out to somebody or can we pray intervention prayers for ourselves?
You can definitely pray for yourself.
One of the things I put in Escaping Hell is things to pray over yourself.
I talked about the five fundamental things that God used to help me be where I'm at today, to help me stay strong in the word.
And learning how to pray from the word of God is one of the tools of praying an intervention prayer so that I'm not just praying the need.
A lot of times when people pray, they pray out of the need, they pray out of the emotions, and the effectiveness is praying in the word.
And so I learned how to take the word of God as a part of my prayer time and utilize the word in my praying.
And so intervention praying for yourself, definitely.
You can bring the help of God onto the scene.
You put it right here, chapter 12, and escaping hell.
You said, meet the new you.
Chapter 13, learn to hear God and his word.
Chapter 14, apply the blood correctly.
Chapter 15, put on the mind of Christ.
Number 16, chapter 16, learn to follow God's Spirit.
Listen, order the books today.
This is a guide, a practical tool to understand the warfare that it takes to pray intervention prayers.
Get the books today.
You're not going to regret it.
You're going to want to hear and learn more about what she's teaching.
You know, 30 minutes goes by so fast.
It does.
But yet at the same time, we are understanding that you or partners or viewers can only take so much in increments.
And I'm glad because it makes you hungry for more.
That's right.
You know, as we exit off the broadcast today, give people the opportunity to go and receive this book.
What do you say to somebody who has grown weary in praying?
Let's say a mother, a grandmother, a father, a grandfather, aunt, uncle, who has been feverishly praying for a loved one and they don't see change happening.
I would say, first of all, to cast your care upon the Lord.
One of the things that I've encountered is that sometimes I'm praying.
I found myself in the beginning praying from my position as a mom, for instance, for my children.
And I'm praying my mom card.
You know, Lord, that's my baby.
That's my child.
And I'm dealing with emotions there.
I'm dealing with a limited resource there.
And one day the Lord just prompted me in my heart.
He said, if you would pray from your place in Christ, you have a lot more weapons from that place, a lot more resources from that place in Christ.
And so I had to move from my position as the mom or the grandmother or whatever position you're praying from.
Pray from your place in Christ.
Pray from the authority you have in Jesus' name.
Pray from the ability you have to work the word as a weapon.
That's a good word, Marlo, because a lot of people grow weary, especially in the seasons we're living in.
They're not only dealing with family issues.
We're dealing with economic crisis.
We're dealing with global wars, national, what seems to be civil war brewing up.
So people are saying, I'm growing weary.
I spend as much time as I can every single day in prayer, but we just need to continue to persevere.
Yes.
Continue to press forward.
Marla, I mean, you know the incredible asset that prayer is to our life.
I think when you understand that you are carrying dead weight that you don't even know you're carrying is what gets you weary.
Yes.
I love how you're teaching.
Learn how to pray, how to apply the blood correctly to work for you.
I never understood what you just said, that you have more weapons through him than trying to do it on your own.
Oh my goodness, I look back and how many times I failed because I tried to do it on my own and fell on my face and said, God, I should have known better.
But here we are learning more and more on how to pray is going to change everything.
Ricky, I think you're saying it perfectly.
Right now, the world's upside down with anxiety.
Everybody wondering what is next.
When is prophecy going to be fulfilled?
What if, you know, terrorism takes place in America?
Yet what you said earlier, cast all your cares to him.
Don't live in anxiety.
We have a generation that is living in anxiety and they're committing suicide because of that.
We need help.
That's right.
An alarming rate.
Friends, we want you to have a place where you can go and be heard.
We want you to have a place where you can go and know that you are understood and that place is with the Lord.
It sounds cliche.
You may have heard it your entire life from a Christian perspective, but truly cast your cares upon him because he cares for you.
He really does care for you.
The maker of heaven of earth, heaven and earth, the one who was there before there was anything and the one who will be there long after everything seems to find its end.
And I'll tell you a little sneak peek.
Eternity will never find its end.
But wherever its end is, God is still there and he's still God.
He's the same yesterday.
He's the same today.
He'll be the same forever.
He loves his people.
And if you've said yes to him, you are his people.
He wants to take care of you.
I want you to go and get this book.
You can go to our affiliate program with NorIMedia or go to jimbakershow.com and find the book there.
Remember God Loves You 00:00:36
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We have a number you can call.
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This incredible book, we want you to go get it.
We're going to be talking more about it on our next episode.
Make sure you find it.
We're actually going to be discussing how to pray for a loved one who's in the middle of a crisis.
That's what we're going to be focusing on in this next show.
Don't miss it.
Until next time, remember this: that God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you.
God bless you.
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