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Hey everybody, Jason Burmes here and we've got a great show lined up for you today.
We've got a panel on disclosure with the Union of the Unwanted and I can guarantee you there is information in this one you haven't heard anywhere else.
Buckle up.
is part one of a two-part panel and get ready to make sense of the madness let's talk about let's talk about ufos We brought on a pretty diverse cast here.
And I don't say that just because it's Pride Month.
I mean that and with all seriousness.
This is a topic that is filled to the brim with fuckery.
And it is extremely difficult to figure out what's real, what's not, what's 90% true and 10% bullshit.
And they've used this tactic for a long time to hide a variety of things.
But in the UFO community, they have really done a great job of muddying the waters.
And so we get to these benchmarks where there's no such thing as any of this.
And then, well, maybe there's, you know, then it starts to, well, maybe, you know, these guys had some abductions and it still gets denied.
And then we start to get government officials or quasi-government officials, people connected to it with questionable CIA backgrounds, Jim Semivan, Lou Elizondo, all these guys, you know, to the Stars Academy, all these operations that feel very inauthentic and filled with too many spooks and too much marketing behind it and too much normalization from, I mean,
I remember when this was all fringe and the minute you started talking about it, everyone rolled their eyes and wanted to change the subject.
But now it's being forced on us by a bunch of people who are known liars and I'm not buying it.
I might buy that there's something out there, but it's being delivered to me by the least authentic people around.
And so, you know, this is something that I observe kind of casually, but I don't do a lot of work on it.
I've always been fascinated by it.
But it's sort of in the wheelhouse of some of you guys.
I wanted to start with, we've got Bruce Fenton here, and it's past his bedtime, but we kept him up anyway.
So, Bruce, good to see you, man.
How are you?
I'm pretty well.
Yeah.
Thanks for inviting me in.
Yeah, good, good topic, UFOs.
Very much a hall of mirrors.
Looking forward to seeing what everyone's perspective is.
What do you make of this?
I mean, you've been all over this topic for a while.
There's like a push for normalization, a push for the mainstream.
You want people to understand that there's something out there going on.
But then when it happens, I throw my hands up and go, I don't want it this way.
I want people finally talking about it.
But when Tucker Carlson's talking about it and all these guys, it doesn't feel like I want disclosure a different way.
Am I being too arrogant?
Am I being too demanding, Bruce?
No, I don't think so.
But at the same time, I don't think it's a bad thing that the media and the public are discussing the topic, even though I know that what's being done is not authentic.
But the only reason I say that is I think that at some point it would take other people to come in and basically co-opt the co-op narrative on this.
Otherwise, it will continue down a path towards, you know, like being just a bizarre hall of mirrors psyop full of nonsense.
But at the same time, I think you do need some kind of coverage.
The only way that's going to happen without little green men comments and silly music is if some of these CIA guys and billionaires are kind of pumping the topic for their own reasons.
But the tricky bit is going to be like grabbing the microphone away from them.
You know what I mean?
That's going to be the real crux of this issue.
That's what I think we have to do.
We have to sort of grab it back now that they've brought attention to it.
Because obviously, what's being sold to the public is mostly some kind of mix of personal weird beliefs by some of these guys, but also cyclos corporations.
I think, you know, certainly there's a lot to do with the drone war in this as well.
Keep in mind that we have entered a new reality in terms of military conflicts, right?
I mean, we are in the drone war era.
So you think about it, when they start to normalize this topic and the UAP, and it was time to take it seriously.
But what was happening was that around the world, he said Russia, China, people that are viewed as US enemies, or at least, you know, potential enemies, they don't really have a stigma around the UFO topic.
So if somebody sees something, they say something, that kind of thing.
Whereas in the US, they deliberately created Speaker in the past when it made sense to shut this down.
Because Air Force people were getting inundated with what's UFOs.
It was kind of a waste of time.
It wasn't really helping the military.
It was a waste of their time.
That's what they viewed it.
But the thing is, now drones can take pretty much any form.
So if you think about it, like an airbase is getting buzzed by novel drones that look like blowing orbs or flying sources.
In the past, that was ruined from Korea, so nobody will report it.
But now those could be novel drones.
So suddenly they need to see something, say something.
The only way to do that was to normalize the topic and say, yeah, there's really weird stuff out there.
You've got to report it.
Pilots are seeing it.
If you think about it, we've got there's a few different streams that are meeting here.
But you shouldn't sleep on the element of this, which is the drone part.
If you look at some of the prominent people like Chris Mellon, he's repeatedly talked about the drone threat aspect of this and talked about China's potential.
I think that gets kind of missed out of the conversation is that it's part of the era we're in.
Jason Burmese, are you feeling like I'm feeling when you start to get this overlap between the tech bros and making drones, Lucky Palmer, Andrew?
You know, the blending of these tech companies with the military-industrial complex making drones and blurring this line between what you see in the skies.
I mean, now it used to be, well, I see a shooting star.
And it's like, well, maybe I see Starlink actually going by.
Or I see a UFO.
Well, maybe you see one of these crazy war drones that these guys are testing out.
I mean, is it what's your feeling on the role of the Silicon Valley in the UFO topic?
Well, just because you mentioned Lucky Palmer, and I think that that's kind of important for those that don't know Lucky, like you said, Andrell is this new kind of hip AI weapon system, and he's advocating for the United States to be the world's gun store with these AI weapons, land, air, sea, you name it.
You know, I've looked at this topic since I was a kid, right?
I mean, well, before I looked at 9-11 or anything geopolitical, really my jumping off point was the UFO issue.
Some of the first things I did when the internet came in in the late 90s was, for instance, get myself copies of the Majestic 12 documents.
You know, I got the MKUltra ones that you could read at the time because no one had really transcribed them and they were really tough to read.
But the Majestic 12 ones were kind of, you know, you could read through them.
I've seen so much smoke and mirrors through this whole thing.
I'm one to say that I think that the vast majority, 99 plus percent of what's out there is total Johnny nonsense.
I am not convinced that quote unquote aliens exist.
I'm not convinced that interdimensional demons exist or beings, et cetera, controlling these things.
I'm not convinced that they come from here.
I say that all of those are a possibility, as well as the possibility of our own military-industrial complex tapping into technologies, not only post-World War II, but probably post-World War I, into World War II, in secret, and kind of shepherding the narrative and the agenda.
Because the agenda for consolidation of power, authoritarianism, and now transhumanism have been on the table for a really long time.
So when I look at this topic, I ask myself, what have I seen?
Because up until now, yes, we had some CGI.
Now we're getting into deep fake territory and AI, and it's only going to get wilder.
Holograms have existed for a long time.
I question how much of this has been miniaturized drone technology that has some kind of light projection.
I say that because, you know, you have all these stories back in the 80s and 90s, especially of these football size UFOs that were moving very, very slowly, but not making a sound, right?
And you kind of have to take a step back and look at what we really know.
We know eyewitness accounts.
We know video.
We know the documentation chain that we're allowed to see.
And we know quote unquote unsolicited whistleblowers.
And that's about it.
You know, we got to have discernment from there.
So I'm really happy that we're going to be taking on this topic.
You know, I've been throughout a lot of these whistleblowers.
And one of the things that I really encourage people to watch to kind of understand the lengths the government will go for a PSYOP is Mirage Men and the story of Richard Doty.
So I think that's a great jumping off point if anybody wants to take it from there.
Go, Brando.
You know you want to talk.
It's so brilliant.
Absolutely.
Great topic.
Good to see everybody.
It is, guys.
And at the core, I mean, we must not ever forget what government means, right?
The root of the Latin word government, governmente, mind, control.
This whole thing is perception managed top down.
It's either existence from infinim or at least the way it's managed now.
And exactly what you said, Charlie, when we opened up here, when they're parading four-star generals in front of you and then saying that what they're really going to talk about is behind a closed door, they're giving you bullshit.
And this is always very important to remember that it's all about controlling your mind.
Government Control Perception Managed00:15:35
Well, they have a lot of practice doing that.
And I don't know why the UFO conversation wouldn't be any different than any other aspect of society in which they're trying to control our perception, limiting what we believe and what we're allowed to talk about.
But it seems that we're now allowed to talk about this.
And that makes me nervous because we worked for a long, long time.
And so I go, well, if you want me to talk about it, why?
Why do you want me to?
Is there something, is there some plan?
Is there something going on?
Is there something that you need to normalize?
Because you push and push and push and they won't give you an inch.
And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, come on in.
You're like, whoa, wait a second.
All right.
Hang on a second.
Now I'm suspicious of why you're even allowing this conversation to go on.
So you guys are free to talk about it, you know?
Yeah, well.
I would argue this.
We've been conditioned to talk about it for well over 100 years.
You know, that's the thing.
If you go back to the science fiction literature, if you go back to the popular culture that was on radio, if you go back even pre-Star Wars, which is a huge leap, forget about the ETs and the close encounters where they kind of normalize it in a real world sense, right?
That's where it starts getting into your neighborhood and your community and kind of interpolating with the sightings and the different kind of cultures that had popped up because it wasn't just the grays at first.
There were the Palladians, the tall whites, et cetera, those type of tales.
But really, when you got into the late 80s, early 90s, especially with the Lazar story, by the way, and I'm not dismissing him or him working there, but right in that time period, you know, the X-Files came into play as well.
And they very much told that lore, although they skewed away from it a little bit of the gray aliens.
But what did you get?
You got a subsidiary of that.
And really space travel in general.
You can go back to, you know, 50s TV shows.
They were just ripe with it.
One of the things I do when I go thrift storing is I get like old 50s and 60s kind of space memorabilia.
Disney, you know, always had Mickey Mouse and Pluto on the moon.
Disney, huge proponent of our perception of space with NASA in conjunction with Werner Erzog.
I mean, you go back to the things that you watched as a kid or your parents watched as a kid, the wonderful world of Disney had a whole lot of Nazis in the beginning.
So again, I think that the idea that, you know, now is the moment where we're talking about it in reality, now is the moment where they're rolling out a lot of this technology they've been working on in secret for 70 or 80 years.
And it'd be great to have an otherworldly explanation for that.
But again, don't want to hog the space.
Love to throw it to somebody else.
I think the technology being ahead of its time is a really important point.
And what Charlie mentioned, you know, the Overton window of allowable opinion, it kind of brings me back to what's the third rail with all the disclosure with UFOs because everything seems to be smoke and mirrors and testimonials.
It's the Antarctic Treaty.
And I think that there's a lot more to be said for what's inside the Earth, possibly, what's below our oceans.
We haven't discovered less, you know, more than 60% of our oceans, I think is the number that they always say.
And I think there's more to be said about that and that being, you know, the barrier for all the first world nations across the world.
We can fight about everything else, but everybody drops the lockstep with the Antarctic Treaty.
So who knows what's buried in there below two biles of ice.
I think that there's probably UFO technology that precedes us, you know, quantum leaps 60, 70, 80 years in advance of us.
So I think there's a lot to be said for that too.
Yeah, when you get all of the governments of the world to agree on one thing, that makes me very nervous about being oaths.
And I'd like to say, oh, it's just a big frozen piece of ice out there.
And maybe it is, but their behavior is what's making me want to know more about what they're doing there.
And plus, when you ran those, when they pulled those Fitbit tracking map and they showed all those people working in Antarctica with Fitbits on and things like that, well, let me say this, Charlie, just jump in on that.
You know, this whole idea that there was a Chinese spy balloon over the United States was some of the most asinine jackassery I've ever heard of in my life.
Like, that's not real.
If you were paying attention, Hirsch actually told everybody the truth.
First of all, we have satellite systems that are not in low Earth orbit and are, in fact, on helium.
Okay.
They're in the balloons.
And that is exactly what that was.
And what that was, was a satellite system for GPS and communications around the Arctic Circle that is used globally for those that have kind of signed this treaty and navigate that area.
Full stop.
That was it.
And I think because we saw multiple issues of that, we're human beings.
We make mistakes, right?
Obviously, there was probably more deployment of that technology recently, just like there has been more deployment of Starlink recently.
And that's another big thing that I think now is the time they're trying to build a new smoke and mirrors around this topic is the new weaponization of space.
I don't think that Star Wars failed, the SDI initiative, strategic defense initiative of the 80s.
And I also don't think that it's a coincidence that Trump is now talking about the quote-unquote golden dome.
I think that's the update, everybody.
So, you know, now we have new materials.
We're able to put lighter things in space.
One of the things I did recently on my program is I pulled up Edward Teller, anybody can do it, from C-SPAN, I believe in 1988 or 89, about five to six years after the initiative had launched.
And he's kind of describing, at least what he can in the public arena, of how far it has gone from just of the thought process to the realization process.
And basically at that point, he says, look, do we have a perfect system?
The perfect system doesn't exist.
But on small-scale nuclear attacks, you know, we're probably winning 100% of the time.
And he said, even on large-scale ones, there will be salvageable cities.
This is 1989.
Okay.
The quantum leap in the type of technologies that have been put into space.
I mean, not just Starlink, but DARPA's own blackjack system launched with Starlink over the past decade plus.
So again, I think that that also plays into it.
I think there's a lot.
I mean, when you talk about the type of technology that's rolling out, we are now in the post-truth era, the quote-unquote bio-nano era.
And if you believe NASA's own white papers, you guys mentioned what they do in the ocean.
That's where a lot of these guys train.
Deep down in the ocean via NASA.
If you don't know about it, even on the Rogan podcast, one of the astronauts discussed, you know, having to go to the bathroom in these areas and how difficult it was and how he was almost swallowed by a large fish.
Good times.
I think that that's it too.
You know, you know that the people in charge want to make us think that there is limited resources and not an abundance.
Yet, even with the AI that they're talking about rolling up, they're like, you know what?
We're just going to have many nuclear centers everywhere for these things in these giant areas that is going to produce more energy than ever, but it's not for human beings.
It's for the machines.
You know, they don't have to make sense.
They just have to get people to parrot things and believe things.
So if you believe in some fantastical wonder world of benevolent aliens or on the flip side that they're not great aliens, great.
As long as the enemies aren't the ones that are truly wielding that technology, Eisenhower military industrial complex style, scientific elite style behind the scenes.
Is there not an argument to keep up with China, though?
I mean, I guess it depends on if you believe this battle over global supremacy is real or not.
But I mean, Palmerlucky's, you know, Andaril, I don't know if you guys know the esoteric symbolism behind that, but it's named after the blade in the Lord of the Rings that was reforged for Aragon, the flame of the West, which is described as a glowing with a fiery light symbolizing hope renewal and Aragorn's rightful claim to the throne of Gondor.
So basically it's like transitioning a ranger to a king.
And I mean, there's some, you know, there's some pretty interesting arguments that we do have to keep up with China and Russia and whoever else is making these drones and AI.
I mean, there is an AI race now.
We can't just not participate in it as the West, right?
Or as USA and hopefully Canada to your north.
You know, I mean, I'm sure we're going to be part of the golden dome.
We have to be, right?
Maybe that's how we can become the 51st state finally is under the dome.
But I mean, I think disclosure has already happened.
I'm super positive about it because, you know, Hal Pitoff's been on Joe Rogan.
I mean, if you would have told me 10 or 15 years ago how many people talk about UFOs on X and how many researchers there are and how many people are talking about trashes openly.
I mean, this is like a sea change from when I was interested in it in the 90s and the 2000s.
So I think disclosures here.
I think this is going to be the year of more revelations.
There's been, you know, Trump and some of his science advisors already been talking about the technology they have.
Like, I think it's positive.
Well, let me answer that for a second because there's a couple of things you said there.
Let me start with Hal Putoff.
Okay.
I watched that entire.
Yeah, yeah.
Show of hands.
How many people watched the whole Hal Putoff Rogan thing?
Anybody else?
So a couple people.
I was highly skeptical of everything the guy said.
First of all, of course, of course.
But even what he put out there, there was nothing new.
There was nothing that made me think, oh, this guy's a credible guy.
Even when he talked about the think tank that he was in, there was nothing there that said that that couldn't be a high-level psyop for guys like him to go out, whether they knew things or not, right?
I also think that you're right.
You know, you just talked about Palmerlucky.
Obviously, we've got to have weapon systems.
I am not Mr. Peace Nick, Mr. Anarchist, non-aggression principle.
I live in the real world.
But I look at the weapon systems that are being utilized via AI, not just like in the future, what they've already done, no bueno, my friend.
You don't pick 30 plus thousand people by some mystery criteria on who's a terrorist and then use some wayward technology to blow them up in public via pagers, right?
That's dangerous.
We've already had drone technology that targets quote unquote terrorists autonomously out there.
That's the big thing, these small, quick death drones that work totally autonomously.
And basically you have quote unquote swarms of them under one person's direction.
But if they're programmed there, they're killing their target without a human being or not.
What if that comes to the United States?
I don't think it's an if, but when.
I think that we should be worried about Palantir and other dudes, even if they're in cool Hawaiian shirts and flip-flops, naming like death machines after Lord of the Ring oracles, man.
So, my issue is: what have they done with the technology already?
In large part, when we're talking about humanity, they've taken their fist, they've dipped it in glue and then glass, and they've not so slowly jammed it up our ass.
So, color me skeptical on all that.
And we're already seeing the early AI models they're having us play with that are super deceptive and super on the quote-unquote mainstream agenda.
So, if we go, we continue to go in this arc, I don't see how it ends up being positive overall for you, me, and the rest of humanity.
That's that's kind of my thought on that.
But we do need a military, and obviously, we do need like when Trump says we have weapons that nobody else knows about, good, but can we maybe kind of find a way to utilize that same technology for lower energy or a way to empower humanity, or a way to grow better food, or a way to cut prices somehow?
I'm sure there's a way it sounds like you're not trusting the plan for me, Jason.
Looks like the whole thing about Palantir is an interesting side note because, I mean, at the end of the day, the palantia is the technology that Sarah Man the White used to see all things and to know all things that connected him with Sauron, the dark lord, and corrupted him and turned him completely evil.
And so, it's a funny thing to name your surveillance technology after something that you know became the source of tapping into immense darkness.
You know, I mean, you got to think about that.
Why would you sit down and do that?
This is the thing, it's all around us, right?
It's all around us.
You beautiful nerds find this shit, and it's awesome.
We have a whole series on the Patreon that's totally free.
You guys check it out called The Cinematic Alchemist.
And our friend Louis Snooks picks out movies like this.
He's gone through a four we're working on fifth part of Dark City, and he breaks down the esoteric meanings and movies, and it's all around, guys.
And so, again, if you find this and you pick it out, I look at this place now as a huge escape room.
And I don't think that we're given pictures, we're given puzzles, and that's the whole point, right?
Place would be boring as shit if you were just giving answers all the time.
And we're figuring that out, and it's getting more interesting because more of us are stepping up and figuring this out and talking about this stuff.
Especially, I just want to point him out here, Logan from Luminary Lighthouse.
He's got an incredibly cool YouTube channel.
You guys check him out.
He does, uh, you know, there's a lot about our history that we're basing a lot of these conversations on that is probably not true at all.
And there is a lot to do with Antarctica.
So, I'm grateful that it got brought up.
And this place ends up feeling you know, Alex has got the Mnight Shimamalan feature on his camera over there with these directing shots zooming in and out everywhere.
I can't believe that's what it is.
I know it's great.
Look at that.
I love it.
Dramatic.
God.
But that's what it feels like: is that movie, The Village by M. Night Shimamalamanon, where basically there was this area that didn't know that it was way more in an area that's way more advanced all the way around it.
And they were kept in sort of this darkness about it.
But as they started to figure it out, they woke up.
And maybe this is the whole point of all of this, guys.
It's an escape room.
We're all given pieces to this thing, and we're putting the shit out of this puzzle together.
And you guys are crushing it.
Escape Room Puzzle00:04:26
Another thing with PFPL, did you guys see the Graham Hancock extended news article the other day?
But anyway, in there, they talk about a meeting with Peter Phil that Graham Hancock had.
And Phil was talking about funding him, right, to go out and do all this investigation into ancient mysteries.
That he realized that actually Pierfiel's interest was more in looking for evidence of ancient alien stuff.
He was more in the Eric von Banneker finds it.
If you look at some of his interviews lately, you know, he's talked about aliens are going to be angels and demons.
Does they have to be because of the technologies they have?
Are you going to be angels or demons?
And he's been saying about this weird kind of Christian revival in Silicon Valley.
It's like, you know, what kind of Christianity fits with Atlantea and looking for ancient aliens?
So there's definitely some weird stuff happening with Phil and what's in his head about all this stuff.
Do you know what I mean?
So obviously the UFO aliens thing is in there.
He's talking about funding people to look for ancient aliens evidence.
I mean, obviously they have some reason to be thinking that.
You know, the book Episode Vanacana.
You know, I mean, same type of deal.
They're more of a religious outlook on it, but it feels like it's a big deception.
It's a distraction coming from the sky.
And if you look at the two things Elon Musk invested in, if you want to bring him into the conversation, all the look up in the stars thing is a fraction of what he's actually gotten the funding for.
The Boring company has the highest, I think, not the highest government contract ever paid out.
So that's what the most money is going to is what's under your feet.
And again, this place is a look over here, not over here.
So it's telling you, oh, look in the sky, guys.
We've got all these UFOs coming.
I think it ties Sergey Manassin and Project Bluebeam into this, but I don't think it's that, it doesn't need to go that far.
They're already doing it.
They don't need to roll out the huge holograms and shit.
It's under your feet.
And this is the other fascinating thing: why?
So if we're all looking at the sky, what's going on under your feet?
I'm glad we have Matt Harrett here.
Matt's fourth episode of his really brilliant expose of the history of UFO culture is now out.
I had a chance to see it.
Matt, what do you make of this?
Like, we were talking about how it feels very unusual that the government wants everybody, it wants to kind of mainstream this topic, and there's a lot of controllers around it, a lot of suspicious dudes.
But I suppose that's really always how it's been, right?
I mean, given you're looking at watching your series, you see, shit, this has been going on a very long time with some extremely dangerous people involved.
And it all feels very manipulative.
What do you, what's your take on this all?
Oh, yeah.
And I do apologize for coming in late.
Traffic was a bitch up here.
But yeah, no, on that note, yeah, I just, as Charlie mentioned, my wife and I have been doing a series of films called The Hidden Hand Behind UFOs, and we just released episode four.
And yeah, the approach we're taking is that this is basically a Rosicrucian magic trick, that there has been a long-standing idea or motive to create a new type of humankind, which involves essentially the revival of all the core trappings and psychological, spiritual, and physical controls of the ancient mystery cults that had enjoyed a top-down dominance over the mythologies,
the governing myths, the idea of human identities that would be moderated by the type of cultural world and geopolitical world that these mystery cults of Persia, Babylon, Rome enjoyed and which they've been working subversively to get back.
And sure enough, like when you look at a lot of the you start scratching behind the surface of a lot of the big narratives about UFOs being sort of the creators of mankind,
and you start looking at a lot of the agencies that were promoting this going back to the 1950s with people like George Damsky, George Hunt Williamson, The Edgar Casey cult, which soon, you know, by the 70s, merged into the Project Stargate and also has a UFO twist to it as well.
Theosophical Origins of UFO Narratives00:04:34
But a lot of these things have theosophical origins.
They're Rosicrucian Hermetic Theosophical spin-off groups from the 20s, the 30s, which then drove the creation of a new type of cultural temperament, which involved certain, you know, tricks that would be ingrained into our mass psyche.
And so we tackled things like the Roswell incident as one example, but there's many that then fed back into creating sort of what I think has always been the idea is to redefine, reframe the narratives of what is Christianity?
What are the core religions and fundamental value systems and revamp them all around some form of idea that these transcendental entities, sometimes demons, aliens,
fused into one thing, have been there the whole time interfacing with the elites, sometimes through the help of psychedelics, and thus we're now being sort of accelerated into something that Lawrence Rockefeller has been behind in a big way since his funding of the War of the Worlds broadcast in 1938 and all the way through the transformation of the USA into a full-blown empire.
And Lawrence Rockefeller's machinery has been behind that.
The financing of the MK Ultra psilo-sybin operation as well to create altered states that then fused right into the Scientology takeover of the U.S. military under Project Stargate, which then drove the revolution in military affairs.
And a lot of those same people who did all of that, Hal Putoff, who brought in Jacques Valley, Ingo Swan, a lot of them played a key role and always received funding from Lawrence Rockefeller, Robert Bigelow being another one.
And they're still there.
Why did the mainstream and academia push back and fight this for so long then?
I just, you guys all talked about how, oh, this, we've been talking about this for decades, but really, we haven't really been allowed to.
I mean, it's been laughed at and poo-pooed for 70 years.
So why that?
Is that just psychological in nature then?
Yeah, now it's useful.
That's the answer, honestly.
Well, I would argue again that the reason, the main reason that you're probably seeing it right now is the fact that so much of this technology that they're going to roll out that is going to seem fantastical to the rest of us, they can pin on aliens.
Yeah.
You know, exactly.
I mean, now is the time where, you know, the vast majority of humanity is not going to have access, not only to the artificial intelligence, but the true bio-nanotechnology that may be of a healing nature.
You know, that's one of my main oppositions to a lot of this transhumanism.
And I often warn people, I really truly do believe that there is a certain section of humanity out there that thinks that they can biologically live forever by testing on us and utilizing what they have right now by perfecting us and then convincing the rest of us for whatever reason that we can upload our consciousness into some kind of candyland metaverse.
And along that way, if these entities, whether they exist, don't exist, are created by us in a lab underground through our bio-nanotechnology, whether they're the cockatrice eggs, whatever, they will look to interface with that.
And whether that I think that's sooner than we think.
I think that's within the next 50 to 100 years they would like to launch that operation.
I think if they are going to disclose that these entities exist, they're also eventually going to have to roll out something that seems to be biological as well.
And that may be the ending point.
You know, forget about the hologram stuff and the blue beam stuff.
All that's interesting.
And I think in a lot of ways, some of that's already played out in the skies.
But when they roll out a physical thing that someone can touch and feel and a crowd can be around, a lot of people that talked a lot of smack and said that they were going to resist this stuff are probably also going to fall in line.
UFO Disclosure Debate00:07:30
And, you know, you just mentioned Lawrence Rockefeller.
I'd love to get your take on, man, I can't Greer.
You know, Greer's going around.
I mean, Greer says some wild things, but Greer recently was trying to associate the JFK assassination with aliens.
I've watched his documentaries over and over again.
They're extremely unimpressive, everybody.
I know that some people say that they're impressed.
I don't know what they're watching.
Like the one with the supposed little alien skeleton, the biggest takeaway I took from that was that Greer was having an illicit secretive love affair with his bodyguard that kept oggling him and they were oggling each other.
And he's a closeted homosexual that is clearly compromised.
I mean, that's what I got from that film.
I mean, just if, and everybody that's looking at me a little funny, go watch it again.
I mean, they're out there.
The film that Bill Cooper would show people when he was still alive was made by a guy named like Lars Holderson or something.
And it had that exact theory in it that aliens caused the driver to kill JFK with some kind of special gun that the CIA made and put some kind of shellfish toxin in the bullet.
So, yeah, there's some pretty crazy people like Greer who's got a lot of people.
But Greer also, he got a lot of people.
He was the shooter of JFK was named William Greer.
So I don't know if there's a connection there, but yeah, all these UFologists are full of shit.
If anybody needs one book that sums it up pretty good, Adam Go Rightly put together a book called Saucers, Spooks, and Kooks, which pretty much spells out what Matt said as well, and others have kind of pointed to.
I think Chris Noel is another great source of info on all this.
He recently connected the Rosewell or Roswell situation to the Rosicrucians, as Matt just pointed out.
The Rosicrucians have their fingerprints on all this stuff.
So I think it's all meant to entrain people to think that this supernatural stuff is third-dimensional.
I'm always the one that has to defend Greer a little bit.
I mean, in the mid-90s, when I was out there with C. Setty looking for UFOs, Greer was friends with the guy that would take us out.
And by the way, Burmese, I think you're onto something there.
I've heard from another source.
Let me say this before you go.
I'm going to let you go.
Watch those videos again.
They've got people out in the desert paying to see the UFOs they're going to summon.
I mean, that doesn't scream grifter to you.
Just that alone.
I mean, I could name a hundred other things, but that's what I mean.
They're putting that out there.
Like, it's not Prophet Yahweh summoning a UFO crazy style for the local news.
It's Greer collecting money from people in the desert to summon these things.
Who gives a shit, man?
I mean, we did it on our own based on the protocols, and we saw lots of stuff.
So, I mean, we had tons of experiences.
Enough that I was like, okay, like, I know there's out there now.
I can kind of, you know, I started getting like maybe we shouldn't be making contact with anything out there, was sort of where I came to.
But, anyways, Greer said he was going to put the disclosure thing together in the mid-90s, and he did it in 2001.
I mean, he did a lot of work for ufology.
I mean, whether people want to debunk that whole thing or not, but that was probably still the biggest thing that was ever put together to, you know, to bring about disclosure for UFOs.
The biggest thing that can actually give us disclosure from UFOs is letting us in on the technology and its actual origins.
And he's for that, man.
That's what his one of his main pillars is.
And I'm not totally defending everything for him.
I'm just saying that there's some things that he's been talking about the energy aspect for decades now.
But again, he came around to that and the interdimensional stuff when guys like me started putting out other types of theories other than this gray alien thing.
And I'm not saying that he just pushed the grays, but again, go back to that time period.
Whatever was culturally significant, that guy was pushing as the academic.
And you asked the question, why now he seemed to be that chosen academic that got to go around and now he gets to talk about the intel.
You know, we talk about controlled opposition and gatekeepers.
I would just say again, anybody that is compromised by their personal life is ripe for the picking on controlled opposition and gatekeeping.
And I'm sorry, working with the Rockefeller family, who, I mean, you talk about the military and industrial complex, you talk about military intelligence.
I mean, David was ex-naval intelligence before he really became, I would say, the anchor point for Rockefeller globalism.
I mean, from Bilderberg to trilateral to you name it.
So color me skeptical on the uh the Rockefeller family as well.
But again, I don't want to hog the space.
I think we got a lot of great people.
I'd love to hear other people right now.
Well, dude, that's the thing, too, is that Graham, do you think it's possible?
And again, this is this psychop goes way back.
I mean, uh, the apocalypse could have been by somebody who wrote the Bible a long time ago or some sort of time travel and then just dropped the thing.
And then we're creating it, right?
And so we don't know how long, again, history is all fucked.
So if we're basing all this on his story, then that's a viewpoint.
But really, again, if you think about this, what just came out about Greer, about him being an insider agent about something, right?
Israel or something like this.
The Baha'i movement.
He was a research director at the Baha'i movement in Israel in 1978, 79.
Fuck, Matt.
God, you're a useful fellow.
This dude is awesome.
He was in Baha'i.
Okay, so one could say that you were drugged out into the desert to see technology that we're seeing now, but that obviously they would have had well into the 90s and been able to use.
Greer then just simply gives them a drops a pin on where you guys are going to be.
They fly some shit around.
Y'all get convinced about it.
20 years something later, we're talking about it, right?
And so this is the kind of long game 4D chess psyop that we're talking about.
And Matt, you would love Robbie's work.
Robbie Graham, he did the Silver Screen Saucers and he was talking exactly about what you're talking about, this slow drip feed from the 50s to 70s.
And really, he has a letter signed by NASA sent to Spielberg not to make close encounters of the third kind.
And so it drips all the way back there, sort of like, hey, not yet.
But then even its correspondence is now brought into evidence as sort of conjecture, right?
And so again, all of this is up for grabs here.
And Graham, you know, I mean, you got a cool light show, but it may have, we can say, either been some sort of communication they were hip to or a technology rollout that obviously would not have been around at the time.
Yeah, yeah, but I'm not talking with Greer.
Talking about like groups all over Greer's group, right?
Let's talk are like C-SETI groups all over the world having their own like legit experiences.
Yeah, they're gonna be out here this night at seven o'clock, uh, roll them out at about 8:30.
They should be hyped.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
I'm open to that.
I've said I don't know what they are that we see that could be programming black ops stuff.
Who knows?
It's just all perception management.
I would just say one quick thing.
Houdini's Psychic Battle00:03:51
I did a lot of work on Houdi.
Have you guys looked into Harry Houdini and his fight with the spiritualist movement?
No.
No.
It's really a fascinating deep dive.
I read some of your articles.
I do know he was a big debunker, right?
He would go, he really hated them because he got duped into thinking that he had been in a seance with a loved one at a younger age and he would make it a point to go out and debunk a lot of these spiritual people.
Well, he was actually working with members of parliament and Congress to shed light on the missing children that were being abducted or being taken in from London orphanages into New York.
People in New York were tied to the Crandons.
Marjorie Crandon and her husband were major controllers of the Eastern establishment, the Snell family, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, they were all doing seances together and it was really taking over.
And there was this massive child abduction ring that one of the children was actually found, his dead body, I think a 12-year-old kid on the property of Marjorie Crandon's estate that was part of their elite seances.
Harry Houdini and Harry Day, who was a member of parliament for the Labor Party in the 1920s, were working together to expose that.
None other than Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was actually Houdini's major nemesis in this whole thing, who was protecting the Crandons and overseeing a lot of these child trafficking rings tied to orphanages.
But what I think Houdini was doing, and it's really fascinating to look at some of the books that he writes, like A Magician Among Spirits is one of the books that he wrote in 22, right before he got murdered.
And he was murdered.
Was that he's exposing the different techniques that this very integrated network of spiritualists, of which there were something like 3 million in America alone in the 20s?
It's a huge number.
How they had not just what's called the blue book, this index of all of the profiles of every possible target.
So they would share it and there would be like a distribution system in place to share amongst everybody who would pay a certain fee to access the information of different targets.
And, you know, you get obscure data and information, like, you know, the fact that this person's mom had an abortion, whatever, and when they were like two years old.
And so they would accumulate this obscure data that would help really push people over the edge into belief.
The other thing is that they would organize radios too.
So they had special radios that they would make sure that would be standardized and used by all participants all across the United States that would then give people who would be paying into seances evidence that ghosts were being channeled through these radio devices.
And I know that in the Greer case, I've spoken to several people who have paid money to go into the forests, these different areas within various forests around North America that Greer manages that always have a radio that's tuned to a certain frequency that will then at a certain point pick up messages from the aliens after they put out their love vibes to attract the aliens from beyond.
Very similar techniques as what was being done by the spiritualists in the 1860s, 1870s, all the way until they were being undone by Harry Houdini, who again did get murdered by this grouping.
And they had to kind of, I think, regroup and rebrand their approach, but with a lot of the same techniques that you could see was being used back then, ghost wrappings, table levitations, things like that, that were driving people nuts.
That was part of the whole thing that was taking over the U.S. psyche in the 19th century.
So, and a lot of it, that's what people like Madame Blavatsky comes out of, right?
Like Blavatsky was part of the spiritualists with the old fighting against it.
Occult Ritual Murders00:03:48
I mean, she was out of it, and then she ended up creating a yeah, and then she started criticizing it because they were too sloppy because they wanted to create a more rigorous, organized cosmology that would be a little bit more, again, systemic.
It's not based on deceased loved ones.
I mean, I think she just disagreed with the whole evidence of the phenomena of what it actually was, too.
But she used the same techniques too, like the evaporation or the appearance of letters from the ascended masters that she channeled that would give her like little teacups.
They can go to like Idr in at the Adiyar Museum.
They still have all of the teacups and letters that were proven to be forgeries that she would appear.
So she was using a lot of the same spiritualist techniques and trickery that she could have justified to herself, saying people needed these little lies to be brought into a belief system that was ultimately going to help them, maybe.
I don't know.
But she was definitely tied to the Memphis Misraem Lodge too.
She was an initiate.
And she was part of the esoter, like she created this black magician's esoteric section of the Theosophists alongside the founders of the Golden Dawn in 1888.
You know, the same guys that were created the Isis Urania Lodge in 87 in London, all of the same high initiates, McGregor Mathers, who's tutoring Aleister Crowley, they're all part of the Theosophical Esoteric Section that's doing all of this crazy murder, like the Jack the Ripper murders is overseen by these creatures.
That itself is tied to what, you know, Charles Warren is also setting up in the Holy Land, so-called, for the creation of a new kind of ideology of Zionism and the recreation of Solomon's Temple.
That's partially why Charles Warren is also employed to be an overseer of the ritual murders of the prostitutes in a certain way.
Tied to the Isis Urania Lodge.
All the Hermetic Order, the Golden Dawn people are a part of it with Blavatsky and Olcott.
So yeah, it's like pretty tight.
And she's still using the same tricks.
And Matt, real quick, because I'm learning a lot here.
How many of these murders were produced occurred over ley lines, too?
Not sure, but they did, the murders were positioned according to the Vesica Pisces.
So the positions of the dead bodies.
And that is an important geometry.
It's basically a geometry where you just have two circles overlapping that usually share a common radius.
And so that has certain occult ritual significance to it pertaining to the basically sex Magic, you know, the idea that the vesca is is the is the uh symbol for the female vagina, it's usually tied to some form of a link, a ling, a lingam, uh, an obelisk, sort of for the male sexual energy.
So, you got these things with the Washington Monument, you got it with the Vatican and St. Peter's Square, you know, the conjunction of the obelisk and the and the vesica.
So, they did that there, and it's it's part of what a lot of these Kabbalahs believe was the architecture of Solomon's temple.
So, they're kind of using that as the baseline for when they want to rebuild Solomon's Temple, which they believe is a mass human sacrifice domain of ancient, you know, of ancient times where the dome of the rock that still exists today, they think they believe, according to Charles Warren's writings, was the place where the high priesthood would oversee mass, you know, kind of like Aztecian, kind of like mass sacrifice to the gods.
And that was part one of a two-part panel on disclosure with my boys over at the Union of the Unwanted.
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