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Healthy Debate on Free Speech 00:04:19
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and the question is, could the grid go down?
Tommy Waller is going to join us to discuss that and much more.
And we're also going to have Zach Payne and Chris Paul to talk Trump RFK Jr., more possible indictments and bills on the line that would prevent Trump from running in some states.
Back after this with Making Sense of the Madness.
Staggeringly, they take it down.
And that reducing that hateful content from being seen is one of the best examples how X is committed to encouraging healthy behavior online.
And today, I can confidently sit in front of you and say that 99.9% of all posted impressions are healthy.
How do you define healthy, though?
Is porn healthy?
Are conspiracy theories healthy?
You know, it goes back to my point about our success with freedom of speech, not reach.
And if it's if it is lawful, but it's awful, it's extraordinarily difficult for you to see it.
But how many millions of people follow Kanye West?
Lawful but awful.
And he's allowed back on.
You know, Kanye, who hasn't rejoined the platform yet, but is planning to do so, will operate within the very specific policies that we have established, that we're clear on, that everyone who's watching this or listening on spaces can access themselves.
And we have an extraordinary team of people who are overseeing hands-on keyboards, monitoring all day, every day to make sure that that 99.99% of impressions remain at that number.
But we also have to remember what's at the core of free expression.
You might not agree with what everyone is saying.
We want to make it a healthy debate and discourse, but free expression at its core will really, really only survive when someone you don't agree with says something you don't agree with.
And what a great place we would live in if we were able to return to a healthy, constructive discourse amongst people that we don't agree with.
So there you have the CEO of X, formerly known as Twitter, openly talking about censorship and then trying to wrap it under the guise of free speech.
That's all that was.
Think about what she just said right there.
One in 10,000 impressions is supposedly held back because it's hate speech, yet she lets the moderator associate that with pornography because that's what conspiracy theories are at this point, folks.
It's challenging the great narrative.
Now, to its credit, it has taken down the fact checks, but the algorithms of suppression still remain.
And X is expanding into what a multi-platform app that you're going to have to give up your identity for soon.
It's already in the works right now that this platform is going to make you what?
Give a selfie and put your license there.
And anybody who's dealt with Facebook and AdSense and these type of things, this is the norm through business.
But now, just to be on the social media platform, guess what?
Inside Supply Chain Threats 00:15:27
You'll have to do that as well.
And Musk seems to be deleting material from 2014 and prior.
He's also just recently blocked several accounts he used to follow and interact with, including James Woods.
And if you've been following this program, you know that we believe that Musk is just another side to this WEF great reset agenda.
He clicks literally every box and then put that woman in charge as a spokesperson.
This is a real online threat, but we're about to talk about another threat that could come online through possibly a cyber attack or other means.
And we're going to be talking about the grid with Tommy Waller.
He is a veteran and he is the CEO of the Center for Security Policy.
Tommy, thank you so much for joining us.
First off, how did you transition from a military background into being concerned about our grid and starting this security, the Center for Security Policy?
So, Jason, thank you for having me on.
Yeah, the transition from my service on active duty to the reserves in the Marines honestly was something that was really a God thing.
I mean, my wife and I felt led, we weren't sure exactly what for, to leave active duty to join the reserves and pursue a civilian occupation.
And it really was a blessing that the occupation that I landed in really prayerfully was this at the Center for Security Policy.
In fact, it was the very day I truly just gave it up to the Lord that I got a call about the job that I didn't even apply for.
And that was almost 10 years ago.
So over the course of the service in uniform, obviously, I learned a lot, but I've actually learned even more outside of uniform, working for a nonprofit that's not funded by the government or any foreign sources or any special interests when it comes to protecting our country.
We just look at the threats and we tell the truth to the American people about those threats.
So these threats have been in the news, but they've also been espoused by many in the upper political echelons.
I know former CIA director James Woolsey has talked extensively about the grid.
It's a highlight at some of these World Economic Forum meetings where they're talking about cyber attacks that could make COVID look like Christmas.
Now, I want to get into the cyber attacks later on, but can you tell us some of the other aspects where our grid may be very vulnerable?
Sure, Jason, the grid, we got to just remember that we can't live without electricity.
Modern society can't, right?
So if we lose the grid, we really risk losing our civilization.
And your viewers should just think about, you know, any amount of duration without electricity, what are the second and third order effects that happen?
And that's exactly why so many very notable professionals that care about our country, like Ambassador Woolsey, you mentioned, have long cared about the security of the grid.
It's why our non-profit has a major, significant focus on policy in order to try to protect the grid.
To answer your question, Jason, about the threats, traditionally, there were four threat vectors that we really looked at.
You mentioned one, which was cyber attack.
Then, of course, there's physical sabotage, much like we saw last December in Moore County, North Carolina.
You have electromagnetic attack, which can happen either from a high-altitude nuclear EMP or a localized radio frequency weapon.
And then you have the natural form of EMP, solar weather.
The sun produces coronal mass ejections, which can cause a geomagnetic disturbance that can take the grid down.
And those were the four threat vectors that we focused on for many years until we found that there were really two more that were very worrisome.
The fifth being supply chain.
So countries that are adversaries of the United States, like communist China, have been using the supply chain to figure out ways to plant into the grid things that they could surreptitiously use to shut it down.
And then number six is just policies, government policies that could result in our grid going down.
And unfortunately, Jason, we see more and more of that six threat vector, the unreasonable government policies that may end up resulting in blackouts before any of the other five threat vectors.
So let's talk about the fifth one.
I want to talk about supply chain.
So when you talk about China as kind of this backdoor Trojan horse, are we talking about hardware components where maybe malware or other types of surveillance, such as the Stuxnet virus that we saw, I guess, gradually take out the Iranian nuclear program without their knowledge?
Could that be one of the threats?
Yeah, Jason, absolutely.
China is the most profound and prolific threat when it comes to the supply chain and the cyber domain.
Now, don't get me wrong, the Russians have a lot of tools on the cyber side as well, but China manufactures so much in the area of energy and our own policies that are pushing us just at a breakneck pace towards renewables.
China has the market share for most of the components that are needed for wind and solar, and especially the inverters.
You know, these inverters are required to transition that direct current energy that you get from solar panels or from wind into our alternating current grid.
And most of those, almost all of them, are made in China.
And Jason, what we found is that even the major, gigantic components of hardware, like transformers, extra high voltage transformers that our grid cannot operate without, at least one of those was found with a hardware backdoor in it that would allow people into China or elsewhere to shut it off.
And so, you know, whether it's that hardware or, as you mentioned, Jason, on the software side, malware.
I mean, just recently, and we're going to have an article published today on our website about the most recent Chinese malware found in the grid.
It's called Volt Typhoon.
And unlike, you know, ransomware that we often see, this type of malware was specifically designed to cause damage.
And our article explains some of the ways that that could happen.
And people have to understand this is by stealth.
It takes a long time to determine it is happening.
And once it does happen, you're not sure if other aspects have actually been compromised.
You know, you also talk about the hardware issue.
Just the fact that so much of this stuff is made in China, we could also be talking about a situation where there are certain conflicts and there is certain trade disputes.
So they just cut off the supply altogether.
Obviously, we saw aspects of that during COVID.
Could you talk about that threat?
Sure, yeah.
In fact, Jason, the article we published today discusses exactly that.
The worrisome timing with respect to the discovery of this malware and China's belligerence towards Taiwan.
Most of us are extremely concerned that the Chinese, if they go kinetic against Taiwan or other surrounding islands, as they aggressively pursue territorial gains through actual combat and warfare in the Pacific, we are exceptionally concerned that that will be paired with attacks on the U.S. homeland specifically designed to take down our grid.
And, you know, it's one of the things that they have written down, right, in modern history and in antiquity.
I mean, look back at Sun Tzu.
You know, Sun Tzu's philosophy was that the supreme art of war was to subdue your enemy without fighting.
This is exactly how you can do that.
And then you fast forward the clock just to 1999, where two People's Liberation Army colonels wrote the book Unrestricted Warfare that specifically lays out the scenario of kinetic war between two superpowers that are in the electronic age and how one of them, if it attacks the networks, the civilian networks of the other, can achieve military victory.
We think that's exactly what China plans on doing.
And there's no evidence that I've seen so far that doesn't suggest that we're wrong, unfortunately.
Well, when we're talking about China, one of the other aspects that's quite frightening about this is that you could also frame up a nation state because so much of this stuff is fingerprintless and it has been shared through these intelligence networks, whether it be, say, a Five Eyes organization or some of the privatized security firms.
Can you talk about the anonymity of some of this stuff, especially when we're on the software side?
Sure.
A lot of these adversaries, the United States, what they will do is they will mask the origins of the hackers that are taking action against the infrastructure.
So we've seen this, you know, where, for example, oil refineries and different types of infrastructure would have a safety accident, which was then later discovered to be a cyber attack.
And when they initially looked at it, the cyber attack looked like it came from a certain country.
But if they peeled it back even further, eventually they would discover it was one of these, you know, Russia or China.
And so that's absolutely, and look, I think all sides do that.
You know, I can't talk about, you know, offensive U.S. cyber warfare, but we have to assume that our own cyber warriors are going to mask their identity if they plan on taking out enemy infrastructure.
The difficult part about this, Jason, is that deterrence in the cyber sense, it's tough, right?
Because of what you just said, anonymity.
How might the other side know whether or not the American cyber offensive cyber actors were the ones that were taking out their stuff?
What we have to really do is defend what we have.
You know, deterrence, thankfully during the Cold War, we didn't have a nuclear holocaust, right?
They talked about mutually assured destruction if either side were going to take part in a nuclear exchange.
But today, the number of countries that possess weapons, whether they be nuclear or cyber, that can really catastrophically harm the United States is much more than just the Soviet Union.
And it's time for us to switch from a philosophy of mad or mutually assured destruction to what the late Dr. Peter Pry, one of our colleagues, said would be sane, strategic assured national existence, which is by defending the infrastructures upon which we need to live.
We got to take a break.
Tommy Waller is our guest.
The websites are securefreedom.com and griddownpowerup.com.
When we come back, I want to talk about some of the recent cyber attacks that we've become aware of.
I want to talk about solutions.
I'm so glad he went into the anonymity because there are so many aspects to the grid and what could happen to it.
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We are back.
It is Making Sense of the Madness.
We're joined by Tommy Waller.
And Tommy, before the break, you discussed the anonymity of these cyber attacks.
And I want to get to that in a moment.
But right now, you know, just a couple of the recent stories of we have these corporate attacks out in the UK and Australia.
This is an international problem, and it's affecting corporate America as well as the infrastructure from within.
But just recently, we have this story out of a local Fox station that a Texas power grid may have been targeted by Chinese malware.
Now, you just went into some of the specifics of the anonymity problem.
And you said, you know, obviously we have offensive warfare as well.
What happens if one of those people on the inside goes rogue and wants to take out the system and frame somebody up or ends up working for one of these other countries or agencies?
I think you have the same problem.
Isn't one of the solutions to really take charge and get these things offline?
And is that even possible?
So, Jason, what you just articulated was the insider threat scenario, right?
And, you know, that's probably one of the most worrisome to people in the utility industry because think of it.
I mean, it makes sense.
Anybody who understands how the utility industry works from the inside is going to be the most capable, really, of taking it down.
And, you know, that's actually one of the areas that we have, we've used that reality in an effort to try to protect the good people that are inside the utility industry.
Let me just give you an example, right?
We just saw that just the horrific fires that took place in Hawaii.
Of course, it's all still under investigation.
There is the potential that those fires could have been started by electric transmission lines that were energized and that the utility did not either choose to or were not capable of de-energizing those.
That's all still under investigation, but we do know that a similar incident happened in California with PGE.
And one of their employees, an insider, right, knew that the infrastructure PGE had that it was installing could cause fires.
His name's Todd Hearns, and he repeatedly tried to blow the whistle as an insider, as a good guy, trying to protect the American people.
Todd lost his job and found himself in a spot where it's going to be very difficult for him to get another job in the industry.
Insider Threats in Electrification 00:08:25
And so that's why our organization has consistently been pushing for whistleblower protection for employees that are inside the industry because you have both sides of the coin.
Jason, as you mentioned, if someone on the inside decides to go rogue, that could be catastrophic.
On the other hand, there's a lot of people on the inside that can see problems that need to be fixed and they need to be protected and have a voice.
So when I talked about the infrastructure being accessible online, and I talked about one of the solutions, maybe instead of being able to remotely access these things, we build an intranet, and then it can only be an insider.
And that kind of, I would say, strengthens investigations, weeds these people out.
But is that possible in today's world?
Because so many of these things are interconnected.
So many of the companies that own and run them are really international companies and organizations that reach even far beyond our country.
So what is the reality of what we can do in that regard with our grid?
You know, I've talked to some utility executives that have shown great interest in the idea you just mentioned with the intranet.
In fact, a lot of them create their own networks that are internal to the company and they do everything they can not to have that be connected, so to speak, to the internet.
It is, you know, the more that there is a push for this quote smart grid, right?
Where the internet of things, everything is plugged into everything, right?
And everybody wants, you know, smart meters and devices and all their appliances.
The more that that is pushed by American society, the harder it's going to be to produce the sort of firewall that you just mentioned, the sort of separation between the networks and systems that run it and the rest of it out there that can be penetrated.
I mean, think about, Jason, just think about electric vehicles, right?
You see this constant push towards electrification of everything.
And this is where we talk about the sixth threat vector, like the government policies that don't make sense.
We're adding so much to the grid right now, while at the same time, disincentivizing major power producers like fossil fuels and coal and nuclear plants.
And the renewables that they want to put on, like wind and solar, just can't keep up.
Well, the other aspect is that every one of these electrical vehicles that's plugged in is another potential vector of attack if there's connectivity between that asset and the larger grid.
And this is a major problem that I don't think has gotten nearly enough attention.
Well, we cover it here, especially when you talk about the aspects that these things are always hooked to the internet.
You mentioned the internet of things.
Obviously, 5G, for those that are in the know, has nothing to do with your phone, but more on automation and the drive for driverless vehicles and bringing that aspect into technology.
And you talked about this internet of things.
And right now, we have more and more of a push for what?
Blockchain technology.
And a lot of these things are already running on these types of smart contracts that most people aren't even aware of.
I think that we're moving away from security.
And that is very worrisome to me as well.
But I want to talk about, you know, you talked about the policies of shutting these things down via the electrical grid.
And yes, that's terrifying, especially with the authoritarian nature the world seems to have moved in in the past few years when there's a crisis or disaster.
What if there is an EMP attack?
You know, this is something that's kind of been on the peripheral for decades now.
I'm a major history buff, so I realize that these weapons have been developed really since World War II when they discovered the phenomenon in their nuclear tests.
Obviously, they've been refined to the point where, in their own white paper, sometimes they talk about how these things would also be very stealth and may not have a signature.
So, on top of an EMP attack, you would also have not only the confusion of no electricity, perhaps no accessibility to media and others, but then this aspect of, of course, the power grid going down and you going without that for several days.
How serious is this threat, and where would you expect it to come from?
So, Jason, it's extremely serious.
And, you know, it would be depending on what takes the grid down.
You know, you mentioned nuclear EMP, it would be much longer than a few days.
We're talking about a very, very long-duration blackout in that scenario.
And that's a very real possibility.
In fact, it gets more and more real every day as things get more and more kinetic with countries like Russia and China, North Korea.
And we think Iran, it's very possible Iran already has nuclear weapons.
And if they don't, then what the Biden administration just did to give them another $6 billion is surely going to help them get closer to having it.
Every one of those countries has our grid in their sites.
They all have electromagnetic pulse as part of their military doctrines.
And it's something that we are unprepared for.
And so, for your viewers, you know, my advice would be that they ought to just prepare themselves as best they can to live without electricity for as long as they can with what they have and just keep working on that.
But then also to be more active.
And Jason, one of the good things is that there's a new documentary that was launched just this year called Grid Down Power Up.
It's narrated by Dennis Quaid, produced by a gentleman named David Tice, who made this his life passion to wake America up.
And GridDownPowerUp.com is the website.
And people can watch the film and then they can actually get involved in helping the rest of us that are advocating every day for the protection of this critical infrastructure we can't live without.
So you're talking about the film.
I like that you're talking to the individual about being proactive and having a plan.
We're big on that here.
You know, you can't expect somebody else to have a plan for you.
Obviously, that would be shelter.
That would be water.
That would be a food supply.
That would be some type of a generator for some type of electricity during this time period.
But on the peripheral, you're talking about people getting more active.
What can they do with an organization like yours to perhaps improve policy in order to not only thwart this threat, but in the unconscionable idea, and I know this film promotes it, it's not if but when, which is a scary scenario, that we're best prepared for it.
Yeah, thank you, Jason.
I think the number one is for people to get smart on it, right?
So that's the very first step.
And you're doing a fabulous job helping people make sense of the madness, the madness that is this vulnerability of an infrastructure we can't live without.
So that's number one: to get smart on it.
The film will help do that for sure.
It's less than an hour long.
There's even a couple versions that are even shorter that could be shared.
And so I would suggest you watch it, you share it with the people you know.
There's a tab on the website at griddownpowerup.com.
There's a tab that says participate.
You click on that.
And in just a matter of less than 10 minutes, you can go through and it'll allow you to put your address in.
It'll send emails.
And you don't have to put your full address, just a zip code.
Send emails to the people who are responsible for the policies where you live, that those emails have been crafted by us, the ones that have been fighting this battle every single day, so that you can actually get involved.
And then finally, you know, Jason, the other thing is just if there are people who care to have someone fighting for them for the public interest, they can consider supporting us, the Center for Security Policy.
As I mentioned at the start, we don't take any money from any government at any level, any foreign sources, or any company, the utility industry, or companies that can make money protecting it.
We exist solely for the public interest.
And so, you know, we're going to continue it regardless, but having some help certainly wouldn't hurt.
Patriot Values in Business 00:03:16
Tommy, thank you so much for joining us.
What would you like to leave my audience with?
Well, just the thought that was left with me by Dr. Peter Vincent Prye.
Dr. Pry was the chief of staff of the Congressional EMP Commission.
And, you know, he said, Tommy, you know, a lot of this stuff, it really causes a lot of fear, right?
And people have the sense that they want to run to the frontier, right?
And create their grid-down, you know, retreat site.
And I'm not saying I don't have my own high level of preparedness for this.
But what he said was the founders of the country had an infinite frontier to run to.
And they didn't run.
They turned and they fought tyranny and they won.
And so what we need to do is we need to pair that level of prudence and preparedness with fighting the tyranny of inaction.
And so I'm just really pleased, Jason, that you are helping them learn the first steps to do just that.
All right.
Thank you so much for joining us.
We got to take a break.
But when we come back, we're going to be joined by Zach Payne and Chris Paul to talk RFK Jr., Trump, and beyond.
back after this.
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I'm here with Jesse Siegel of Card Solutions.
And Jesse, we've had a big problem with financial institutions debanking patriot business owners.
This happened to me.
It happened to AMP News.
So it's good to know someone in your industry actually stands for freedom.
So if a Patriot business owner already has a payment processing company, why should they switch to you?
Simply because I'm going to eliminate their processing fees.
Expensive credit card processing fees are hurting patriot businesses.
Right.
And tell me about the customer service because how does it work with the other companies?
Do they have to wait on the phone and wait for someone from a foreign country to talk to them?
Yes, the sales rep generally is not responsive.
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I handle it differently.
I'm available seven days a week for my customers.
That's great.
Seven days a week.
Usually that's not possible.
So tell me about the other aspect, the point of service in the merchant account.
I'm not familiar with this model, but you are telling me that you have one umbrella where it's tied together.
That's super important.
So a lot of times merchants are using an outside third party for their software hardware.
And I make it much better because it's one relationship.
The processor has a relationship with a point of sale dealer.
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This seems like a no-brainer, especially if the alternative is a company that doesn't share patriot values.
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Vaccine Politics & Pandemic Solutions 00:14:38
Give them the things that we know kill viral replication.
Zinc and anything that enhances things, like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and a hundred other remedies that we now know dramatically reduce the spread of this disease.
And what was our protocol?
Our protocol was to do none of that.
No treatment until you go to the hospital.
Then your treatment are two things that are bound to kill you, ventilators and remdesivir.
And Tony Fauci knew that remdesivir would kill you.
He knew that because in 2019, he tried to use it for Ebola, 2019.
He tried to use it for Ebola, and within five days of treatment, it gave lethal side effect to 54% of the people on the safety monitoring board, ordered him to terminate the use of that drug.
And he, through a phony, contrived, absolutely fraudulent study that he manipulated, no orchestrated, got that drug, made standard of care.
It is homicide.
And if you look, how does it kill people?
Two ways.
Three ways.
Kidney failure, heart failure, and all organ collapse.
And what happened to the people who died in the pandemic?
What were they dying of?
Kidney failure.
All the doctors said, you heard it again and again.
We've never seen a virus that attacks the kidneys because it wasn't the virus.
It was the remdesivir.
Boom, mic drop.
You did it again, RFK Jr.
Hard not to like the guy as he is dropping truth bombs everywhere to discuss it.
Our AMP news contributors, Chris Paul and Zach Payne.
Guys, thank you so much for joining us.
Zach, what'd you think of the video?
He's going hard.
I like RFK Jr.
I like all the things that he says.
And I feel like there is this disconnect in the truth and freedom movement.
If you support Donald Trump, you're not allowed to be complimentary of RFK Jr.
You're not allowed to like the things that he says.
But I think that he is very important for America.
You know, Donald Trump has his base.
I am among them.
We are not going to abandon him.
And it's okay for us to understand that there are other people out there who have good ideas.
I would hope that RFK Jr. would be a part of his administration.
And even if he can't be part of the administration, I think that he can still be some sort of touchstone in American culture.
With the people who follow Donald Trump, you have those others that don't follow Donald Trump, and they may not be willing to listen to the truth that comes from Donald Trump's mouth, but they may likely be willing to listen to the truth coming from RFK Jr.'s mouth.
And both of these men are speaking truths that are in opposition to the mainstream platform, to the mainstream narrative.
And so I think that it's incredibly valuable.
I hope that he continues on.
I certainly hope that he's able to keep himself safe because the Kennedys don't have a great track record of doing that here in America.
And I sincerely believe that the deep state will do whatever they can to try to derail him and stomp him along the way.
So really, prayers with him.
Well, I don't think they want him in any kind of debate situation.
And really, one of the reasons I did play this clip, Chris, is because I also think this gives him a one-up on Trump on a lot of things.
Trump can't talk about remdesivir.
You know, RFK Jr. is allowed to slide hydroxychloroquine in there, but I don't know that Trump's ever even mentioned ivermectin.
RFK Jr. can talk about the hate and lie shots.
That's something that Trump won't discuss.
And now we've had Trump double down and say that he won't be part of any of these debates.
The Democrats don't look like they want any debates.
So this is kind of a way to, I would say, isolate these two guys.
And do you agree with me that RFK Jr. is able to say certain things that Trump either can't or won't?
I think there's an extent to which that's true.
I think that there's been a concerted effort to tie Donald Trump to the problems of the vaccine.
Donald Trump did not create the vaccine.
The vaccine did not come out while he was recognized as president.
He did not mandate the vaccine.
He has essentially just supported the overall good of Operation Warp Speed.
You know, Trump spent all of 2020 listing various therapies and therapeutics that could have solved the COVID problem on their own.
He also gave us plenty of ways to understand that COVID wasn't in any way a life-threatening illness that we needed to be scared of getting.
You know, I often say that COVID deaths are primarily data malpractice and medical malpractice.
The tests didn't work, and we knew they didn't work.
They were run at a cycle threshold that would make sure they didn't work.
You know, so Donald Trump proposed all these ideas that would have precluded the vaccine from ever being released under an emergency youth use authorization.
So, you know, there's a lot of people that now understand the vaccines weren't a very good idea, at least taking the vaccines weren't, and they want to pin that to Donald Trump.
It's not his responsibility.
Donald Trump is not responsible for anyone taking the vaccine.
Everyone made that choice to do that by themselves, or they responded to coercive pressure from the Biden regime or from their job.
But again, it wasn't Donald Trump.
I think it is like gravely immoral to blame Donald Trump for anyone taking the vaccine.
The vaccine got us out of lockdown.
That was the intent of the vaccine.
The people who were all in on the COVID narrative would have kept us in lockdown forever.
Now, in terms of the debates, there's no reason whatsoever for Donald Trump to debate.
The Democrats are not having an open primary.
If it ever comes to voting, they will rig the voting against Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
They're not going to allow him to become the nominee.
I hope that wakes Democrats up to the reality of election fraud.
But yeah, Donald Trump has nothing to gain from debating these useless also rans who are pretending to be Republican primary participants.
There's not a real primary happening.
I don't know.
Maybe it's just the political horse race of it all and the continued and ongoing obsession with media narratives, but this isn't actually happening in any important way.
So yeah, I mean, his participation would only validate a completely invalid part of the process.
Well, you know, you just discussed that RFK Jr. really doesn't have a path to the Democratic nomination.
100% agree with you, especially the way that the system is set up, how.
However, I've long been saying that they're going to try to eliminate Trump from even being able to run.
We have the four indictments.
We have the criminal cases coming up during primary season.
But now they're taking it a step further, as I thought they would.
And Gavin Newsom is the first to announce that he will be introducing a bill in California in which it would prevent Donald Trump from running for another presidential election.
I'm sure this will be predicated under the fact that he is under multiple criminal investigations, including the Espionage Act, which is treason against America.
But I don't think that this is the first one or the last one.
I think we're going to see several of these things.
And I think that we also have to go with the reality if somehow, some way this passes anywhere in a major state, one or two of them, and he doesn't even have a path to the election because he's not on the ballot there.
Forget about the primaries.
So, Zach, what are your thoughts on this move?
Do you agree with my analysis that more is coming?
And do you think that it's a possibility that some of these loonier states like California, Gavin Newsom, and maybe New York and Hochul could pass something like this?
Well, I think it's always a possibility.
And certainly, I do think that indictments are going to be coming in other states.
You know, I mean, it's funny we talked about it the other day.
And then later that afternoon, Katie Hobbs pops up and suggests that maybe that'll happen in Arizona.
I would be surprised if we didn't see it in every swing state where it was clear there were issues with the election in 2020 and 2022.
I'm just waiting for the shoe to drop.
As far as California trying to keep Trump off the ballot, I mean, this is something that's been suggested before.
I really don't know what the path to do that would be.
And I don't know that it would even be legal.
I mean, right now in California, I mean, you can be a felon of any type and you basically walk in and out of the jail like a turnstile.
I mean, as long as it's a nonviolent crime, they can't send you to prison.
So are you going to tell me that all those other people won't be able to run for office too?
Because I think that Democrats will probably be falling over themselves to allow that to happen.
And as far as politicians being accused of things, I mean, it's happened since time immemorial.
And there's never been anything that stopped those people from continuing to hold public office or run for public office, except for themselves, if they feel that they are certainly going to be found guilty and they just want to go spend time with their families.
But in each one of these instances where Donald Trump is accused of a crime or indicted for a crime, it's a non-crime.
There's nothing there to suggest that he's actually done anything illegal.
And although I don't have much faith in the criminal justice system here in America, you know, we have multiple levels.
And I think that this will probably go as high as it possibly can.
And at the end of the day, it will be proven that Donald Trump has done nothing wrong.
That doesn't mean that he won't spend a lot of money in the meantime.
That doesn't mean that they won't force him to spend a lot of time in the courtroom.
I think they will.
But even if they're able to keep him off of the ballot as the Republican nominee, I think that the love and respect that President Trump has from the American people is deep enough that every single one of us who wants to vote for him in that official checkbox would make sure that we write him in on every single ballot all across America.
And, you know, that would be a situation that would force a hand count of every single ballot in every single precinct because the Dominion voting machines, I don't know their programmed to be able to recognize who was written in on a ballot or who wasn't.
No write-ins, Zach.
We're going to throw that in the next.
Chris, what are your thoughts on this latest move by Newsome?
I am pretty much 100% on board with what Zach just said.
I'm not terribly concerned if California or New York does something like this.
I mean, I pretty much reject out of hand any political analysis that is treating this like a normal situation.
I don't believe this is a normal situation.
You know, whether we are in a state of devolution, as many of us believe, or not, there is absolutely no evidence anywhere in the world that Joe Biden received 81 million real lawful American votes.
And once we are under those conditions and understand that Donald Trump as president had the best access to information of anyone in the world, it would be absolutely ridiculous to take the left's kind of construction of this and believe that Donald Trump is confused or lying about whether or not he won the 2020 election.
He has never conceded.
All of this is still in flux.
So to assume that we will be in the same position in November of 2024 that we are in right now is absolutely crazy to me.
We have 15 more months of this situation developing.
We have 15 more months of the public awakening.
If they try to keep him off the ballot in all 50 states and we still achieve legitimacy in our elections by ridding ourselves of these machines in the mail-in balloting and whatever else, a write-in campaign for Donald Trump will be overwhelmingly successful and unstoppable in each and every state.
Donald Trump could win 50 states that way if we remove the illegitimate election infrastructure.
The infrastructure is designed to create results that are absolutely impossible to bear out in the real world.
And if there was a 50-50 country, which we are not in, if there was a Democrat majority, which we do not have, if there was a uniparty majority, which we do not have, they would not need all of this to stop Donald Trump.
And the fact is they do.
The censorship didn't work.
The propaganda didn't work.
The stolen elections didn't work.
The wars didn't work.
The pandemic didn't work.
And these indictments are not going to work.
All right.
We got to take a break when we come back.
I want to talk about the media aspect of that control and what they're out there saying, coupled with what's being done legally.
It is making sense of the madness.
And we will be back after this.
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Making Sense of Early Voting 00:05:06
We are back.
It is Making Sense of the Madness.
I am joined by Chris Paul and Zach Payne.
We're talking 2024 and another part of that infrastructure that I don't see changing much.
You know, you talked about the election infrastructure and, you know, even a write-in campaign.
All I'm going to say is they're going to count a lot of votes for Donald Trump and Donald, you know, whatever, if that were actually to happen.
Just putting that out there, guys.
We're living in Bizarro world.
But we right now have a media that's saying, you know, it's a foregone conclusion on Trump.
Joe Biden's a disaster, but you can't get behind RFK Jr. because he's a total nut job.
We have this headline from the Daily Mayor Mail.
He's a conspiracy theory.
Nut job.
This is going to roll through on every major media network.
It's going to roll through on all the social media platforms.
And all it takes, guys, is some type of an event or a disaster, I believe, for the censorship to come in full force.
Now, they might be a little slicker about it.
They might just slip in some algorithms here and there and not be as vocal with the fact checks and the deplatforming, but we already have that system.
So, you know, I guess in this segment, is there a path to actually changing the infrastructure so we can get the person we want elected elected.
Zach?
Yeah, I think that there is.
I mean, we've seen it begun to be rolled out in limited facets in a couple of different areas, like say Shasta County, California.
I mean, it's possible to get rid of these voting machines, but there has to be a tremendous pressure from the people.
There has to be the will of those elected who are controlling it.
And I mean, it's quite honestly, I don't know that it's something that's going to be rolled out across America by the time that 2024 arrives here.
But if you would bring up that picture of RFK Jr. again, I just, I wanted to point this out.
This is like his Howard Dean moment when he's standing on stage and he does that like, you know, excited wail.
They pick the picture that makes him look like such an unhinged crazy person with both Donald Trump and Joe Biden looking on like just disappointed.
Like, we can't believe you went there, RFK Jr.
And I don't know that this is going to work on large scale.
I mean, the people who would believe something like this are the people who are still addicted to CNN or believe ABC and NBC and CBS.
I mean, I think that that group of people is shrinking on a daily basis.
And most people, I mean, you go out on the street and you ask people and it's like they support Donald Trump.
And at the very least, they think that RFK Jr. is a much better pick than Joe Biden.
So I don't know.
I don't know exactly how we get to the point where every single county in America no longer uses electronic voting machines, but I think that it's a worthwhile effort and it's something that we really ought to be focused on.
Chris, same question.
I mean, how do we do this?
Shouldn't that be, and shouldn't that really be the focus of the majority of us?
We sit here, we talk about ballot harvesting, we talk about polling, we talk about early voting now that it seems to be a foregone conclusion that mail-in ballots are just going to become a thing and the traditional dates of an absentee ballot are over with, you know, one that was actually somewhat secure, took a little while, was valid.
Is there a way to take back our voting system in any way, shape, or form that it actually resembles something of legitimacy in the next several months to a year?
Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that there is.
And I also think that you're right to point out the problems with these narratives surrounding the ballot harvesting and the early voting and all the other stuff here.
You know, Donald Trump will lend some support to that so that the conversation will be had.
But those are terrible ideas.
And when people are focused on those ideas, it makes me doubt their patriotism and it makes me doubt their desire to see legitimate elections in this country.
And that includes the people who are out there very actively trying to push this stuff.
Ballot harvesting is not a policy in favor of legitimacy of the elections.
Neither is the early voting or anything like that.
It should all be focused on fixing the elections so that they are legitimate, not so that it's focused on winning a rigged election.
We don't want to win rigged elections because that doesn't provide any legitimacy to the people who are declared the winners.
We right now have an illegitimate government.
I don't expect the solution to come from the illegitimate government.
The way to fix it is by making sure that everyone is awake to the problem in the first place.
There are a lot of things that Americans are willing to turn a blind eye to and ignore because they are too busy with their lives.
They are too stressed out.
They're too concerned with trying to make ends meet.
Final Break Truth 00:02:37
I understand all that.
When they finally find out that their votes don't count or that their votes count for three-fifths, the way they've always been told slaves' votes count, then they're going to wake up and actually want to do something.
And again, I think that that's part of the reason that RFK Jr. is in the picture with all this.
Bernie Sanders did not convince Democrat voters that our elections were rigged.
They complained that they were in 2016 because they didn't get the result they liked.
And now in 2020, you know, after 2020, they tell us that elections can never be rigged.
Well, they can either sit through another round of Joe Biden or they can get behind Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
They have about five or six more months of waking up to make that decision.
When they move en masse to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and that election is rigged and stolen from them, they're going to know what's happening.
And at that point, we are going to have an overwhelming number of Americans ready to make changes on election fraud.
We got to take one final break.
When we come back, we'll wrap it up with Zach Payne and Chris Paul.
This is the AMP News Network where the truth lives.
We'll be back after this.
We are back.
Final segment of Making Sense of the Madness with Chris Paul and Zach Payne.
Guys, we got about five minutes left in the broadcast.
Chris, tell me what stories I'm missing.
What's big out there and what you'll be covering this week.
Oh, man.
Weird Weather Update 00:04:26
Well, I'm definitely going to be covering this weird weather that we've been having a little bit on the show today.
And, you know, in addition to this attempt with the indictments and then the attempt to take Donald Trump off the ballot in various states, you know, one of the big viral articles of the weekend appeared in The Atlantic and was all about how Donald Trump is not constitutionally eligible to run again.
And so what we see developing, obviously, is this pattern of various attempts to make sure that Donald Trump cannot be on the ballot.
And when there's this much going on and all of it is such nonsense, it is usually a preview for something that is going to happen that they need to have entirely different explanations for.
So I think that we're going to be seeing something along those lines.
It just won't be, this won't be the explanation.
Zach, same question.
I know, you know, you just talked about a possibility of a Venn.
I know that Alex Jones has said on Infowars he believes he has an insider over at the TSA that says they're going to kick it into high gear, COVID 2.0.
Do you think that's a possibility?
Or is there something else I should be paying attention to, Zach?
No, I definitely see that as a possibility, but I also think that we're in a profoundly different state as Americans.
I don't think that this would be a successful venture for the Biden regime.
And, you know, I want to echo what Chris said earlier.
I think education is of the utmost importance.
I mean, people need to wake up.
And the government trying to return to a COVID pandemic status, I think that that would be just patently ridiculous.
People would reject it.
And I think that would be good, obviously.
And as far as the election between RFK and Joe Biden, when it comes down to it, everybody knew Joe Biden didn't win 81 million votes in 2020.
And people are going to know that he definitely did not beat RFK Jr. in the primary.
And so that will be a profound awakening experience for those people.
And I would hope that simply perhaps out of spite or anger, they would all vote for Donald Trump.
And then we will probably see them stealing the election yet again.
Perhaps it'll be something different.
But at the end of the day, people recognizing that the system is rigged, that everything is set to destroy, subjugate, enslave us.
And we need to collectively come together to rage against this infernal machine, if you will.
Yeah, I like the band too.
I really hope that we're going somewhere positive.
Well, I used to like the band.
I don't like the political message anymore.
Embarrassment wasn't the greatest guy.
I got to be honest.
Side notes, anyway, my biggest issue is, you know, you guys both mentioned the fact that Biden got 81 million votes, right?
Well, they put him in the White House.
He's still there.
They militarized DC.
They're still arresting January 6th protesters.
And, you know, I want to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but I think we're on the track for a banana republic and the first time ever in history, putting a U.S. president behind bars when he didn't really even commit a crime, when we've had a slew of presidents that have basked and reveled and bragged about their war crimes.
Chris, Zach, Chris, first, let people know where they can find you.
Yeah, I would just say also, I don't think that the point of all of this is to win a rigged election in 2024.
I only focus on the awakening and anything that speeds that along and progresses that forward is good.
Anything that hinders that is bad.
That is my only standard.
So the results of these issues don't matter at all to me.
You can find me at imyourmoderator.substack.com and linktree.com slash I'm your moderator.
Everything is there.
And Zach?
You can find me on Rumble at RedPill78.
Obviously, also I'm on Badlands Media three days a week.
And you can hit up my website, redpill78news.com, where all of my links exist.
Gentlemen, a pleasure as always.
And I want to thank the audience for joining us as well over here at ampnews.us.
I am Jason Burmese, and we'll be back tomorrow to make sense of More of the Madness.
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