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The Trump I Know With Director Matt Thayer | MSOM Ep. 816

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Knew He'd Run For President 00:15:09
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and for the next hour, I will be joined by filmmaker and the director of the Trump I Know.
Buckle up.
It's going to be a good one.
Let's make sense of the madness.
The president's my friend.
Have you ever met him?
Do you know him?
Then how can you speak of him if you actually don't know the man?
I knew that he was going to run and be president.
I said, I hate to see what you would go through, but our nation will need it.
I think he knew we were at such a pivotal point in our country that somebody had to stand up and do the right thing.
Some of the smartest, most talented women that I have seen are people who work for or around President Trump.
God has plans for people's lives, and he put me in this place in this moment for a reason and for a purpose.
And who here is ready for four more years of Donald Trump?
It's good to be powerless.
That's a virtue.
But not when it turns into the destruction of what is good.
No, they're going to come after us.
They're not going to make it easy.
He's a bigot, a liar.
A serial liar.
He's a narcissist.
Politics is a nasty business.
Trump is a weak man with no courage.
Wow, was he right on that, right?
Oh, my gosh.
I'm a black single mother coming from poverty, but what Donald Trump saw in me was potential.
All very just impressive women.
It's awesome to see them.
My father's really surrounded himself by them his entire life.
And this is where President Trump has taught us as you fight back, you push back.
When I showed up at Trump Tower, I met a whole bunch of powerful women.
He gave me the opportunity of a lifetime.
And that is a Donald Trump that I know.
That is a trailer for the film, The Trump I Know.
Matt Thayer is joining me now to discuss that film.
And before we even get going, Matt, there has been a change of plans, breaking news.
Instead of the August 27th premiere, we've got a different one.
Yep.
Yeah, we're shifting it out to October.
We've been asked behind the scenes to shift out the date, primarily just because there's so much going on right now with obviously the indictments.
Then you have the fires, hurricanes, earthquakes.
I mean, it's just kind of nuts right there.
And so there were some people that wanted to be a part of the event that, you know, just couldn't ultimately end up making it.
So they were just like, hey, you know, can we push this out?
And we gathered together as a team this morning and we were like, you know what?
Yeah, let's do it.
And I think that it's actually going to be even more impactful and better timing for us to push it out to October.
So anybody that's already bought tickets, your tickets are still good.
And we're asking people right now to still go to the ttikfilm.com, ttikfilm.com, and buy your tickets.
Because if you buy your tickets this week, you will get a free download of the event once it's over.
So that's normally an extra cost.
And so you'll be getting that for free for buying your tickets this week at ttikfilm.com.
So let's talk about October because I believe that unfortunately Trump is probably going to be in even more turmoil.
Right now, we're at four indictments.
We've now had Katie Hobbs philosophically say, oh, maybe we're going to charge him here too.
And I would expect that there are going to be more indictments.
Obviously, they are waging this lawfare in conjunction with the 2024 elections.
We're at least going to have trials that coincide.
We don't know how many.
It looks like at least two.
I'm expecting all four.
But now we also have Gavin Newsom saying that he's going to try to pass a bill that will not allow Trump to run in this state.
I assume that will be predicated on the fact that he is under multiple felony charges, one of which is the Espionage Act, which is essentially treason.
So it will be crafted and worded as such.
What's your view, having done this film, and we'll get into that in a moment, but where do you think this is going?
Because it certainly accelerated in the last year.
I have predicted since 2020 that they would have left him alone if he didn't decide to run again.
And I think they kind of had this on the back burner since because they could sense he was going to run again.
And then they kicked it into high gear in 2022, starting with the Bragg indictment and obviously the civil cases with E. Gene Carroll and otherwise.
So what do you expect by October?
Well, you know, it's hard to really be a prognosticator right now just because it is so unprecedented.
I mean, we were talking a little bit off camera, and you and I have been paying attention to politics for a long time.
You know, I've been paying attention to presidential politics and presidential cycles since I was about six.
I remember Reagan beating Mondale.
I remember where I was when that happened.
And for whatever reason, I paid attention ever since.
And so we've never seen anything like this.
It's extraordinary.
It's unprecedented.
And so it's really hard to kind of say, well, where are we going to be at in October?
But, you know, I really think there's a couple of things that are interesting.
Having made this film and talked to the people that I've talked to and interviewed some of the people that were not only ended up being on camera, but then also behind the scenes.
I think Trump knew that this was, you know, he may not have known the exact details, but I think he had an idea of what they were working on against him.
And it is interesting that he announced his candidacy for the presidency, you know, like, I mean, nine months ago, 10 months ago now, back in November of last year, which, again, is unprecedented.
I don't remember a presidential candidate ever coming out that early.
Very typically, the earliest that I've seen in past years has been in like February, maybe of the year.
And so it would have been February of this year.
It would have been pretty early.
And a lot of times it's not until April most of the time.
And so the fact that he came out so early, I think, is to me a really sharp indication that he knows something and was, like you said, if they were holding these things kind of in the back pocket, waiting for the opportune time to do this, maybe his running or jumping into the race sooner kind of messes them up a little bit because they have to kind of kick into their plan a little bit,
maybe, you know, at a time when maybe it's a little bit less optimal to their advantage.
And Trump is very, very good at that.
Not just, I mean, we're seeing it play out in the political sphere, but anybody that's read Art of the Deal understands and paid attention to how he acquired the land around Trump Tower.
And for those of you that don't know that story or can't remember it, I'll refresh your memory.
It's what happened was that there was a very, very, very expensive piece of land that he needed to make that whole deal work.
And what happened was, he decided he didn't tell anybody what he was doing.
And it looked very arbitrary the way that he went about doing it.
But he negotiated the air rights over here and he bought this little piece of land over here and he bought this old business over here.
And he did all of this very secretively, kind of behind the scenes.
And ultimately, what led to him being able to acquire the most valuable piece of property that would have been the most expensive had he bought it first, he was able to buy it for pennies on the dollar because nobody else wanted it.
And so, and that, you know, is in the art of the deal.
You can read that, his take on what happened there.
But that has also happened in other Trump properties.
I have it on good authority that I've spoken to people behind the scenes that that's a very common strategy with them.
And so he holds his cards pretty close to the chest and he doesn't seem rattled right now.
And talking to family members behind the scenes, they're saying like the truth is the truth.
And we know that nobody did anything wrong.
And so, you know, we know that this is going to, you know, we're going to be fine, but it's hard because of what's challenging, I think, is the court of public opinion.
And I think that's where Newsom and some of these other, you know, governors, Katie Hobbes, some of these people that are out for him, you know, are kind of hoping to win.
But that's why it's important for people to go to ttikfilm.com and be a part of this event.
Because, you know, this is some of the stories that are shared in this film are really honestly like they'll blow you away.
They're some of the most authentic stories that I've ever heard.
And, you know, they're just, and we didn't pay anybody to be in this film.
It was all just completely free of their own volition.
We didn't prep any questions.
We kind of went in there because a lot of the people we had access to just kind of squeezed us into their schedule.
And so we kind of was like, well, you know, here you go.
And we started asking questions.
And they just, you know, told these amazing stories that they had tried to share with other media outlets over the years, but had never been able to actually get anything published because it didn't fit with the narrative that the media was trying to put out there.
So I know that's a lot and a long question answer, but hopefully it was good.
No, I think it's a good one.
It brings up a couple of points.
You know, you just talked about narratives.
And obviously, there's a lot of narrative management when it comes to Trump and the election in 2020.
And the narrative management was we need to censor this guy.
You talked about the court of public opinion.
And I would argue that in the actual court of public opinion, this guy was wildly popular.
I mean, he never really stopped running for president after he got it.
He was still having tens of thousands of people show up to his events.
I traveled the country, didn't see a lot of Biden stickers out there, saw plenty of Trump everywhere.
I mean, Trump on the side of Barnes and billboards.
You couldn't go anywhere.
And you know, I'm an upstate New York guy.
You know, the idea that they wanted Joe Biden and that, that's absolutely ludicrous.
We're constantly, unfortunately, in my opinion, being gaslit into this great narrative that it was okay for Time magazine to come out and say, we fortified the election, everybody.
We got the Orange Hitler.
But that's only possible because, in my opinion, the mainstream media and the major tech companies are completely beholden to that narrative.
And, you know, Trump with all of his faults was able to kind of pierce that illusion.
And I think that's his greatest threats.
You know, some of his policy obviously threatens these people.
But I would say his foreign policy, not as much.
You know, he went along with some of the things that I certainly wouldn't have.
And, you know, said he was going to release the JFK files, never did that.
I think he failed on Assange.
But just the very fact that he's saying, hey, the news is lying to you.
This isn't the way it is.
That was enough to push it over the top in the direction where you would never, ever, ever, ever, ever paint this guy in a positive light.
Yet he walks into an arena in the most popular sport in the country, the UFC, and he gets a standing ovation to this day anywhere, anywhere he goes.
So you have the narrative that I believe the post-truth world is trying to sell you on.
And then you have the reality that's right in front of our faces that's being marginalized and demonized.
And you're trying to amplify it, correct?
Yep.
Yep, absolutely.
I mean, when we had the opportunity to tell these stories, I mean, it was just like, you know, we have to, you know, because the American people deserve to hear these stories.
Like I said, a lot of these women had been interviewed by the New York Times, had been interviewed by the Washington Post.
And, you know, and they would interview, and then the article would come out and be like, we interviewed 18 women or whatever.
And, you know, this is what two of them said, sort of.
And it was like, it was always slanted towards, and it was always slanted towards the narrative that the media wanted to tell.
And these women privately, I mean, when they actually got to see the film, some of them, you know, had tears in their eyes.
They're just like, thank you.
Thank you for just allowing our stories to be told about this guy that we know he's a human being, but he's really great.
Like there's just, I mean, some of the stories that were shared of just moments behind the scenes, no cameras, nothing.
He wasn't even running for president.
You know, just some of the, I mean, just, they're just human stories and they're just show a guy who's very present.
He understands who he is in the room and he likes to take care of people.
And, you know, I mean, whatever.
You know what I mean?
It's like, and I always tell people all the time, it's like, if you're looking for a perfect person, you know, I mean, the Bible wouldn't exist if you had to cross out, if you had to censor all of the imperfect people in there.
The only one would be left with Jesus and they killed him.
So, I mean, you know, it's like you can't, God works through imperfect people and it's just the way you have to roll with it, you know?
Well, the bottom line is to be a human being is to be imperfect.
And I always encourage people to look in the mirror anyway, not only when we're looking at that imperfection, but when we're looking for someone to be a hero.
And unfortunately, I think that too many people have put this hero status on Trump.
They kind of have to look to themselves and then push Trump in that direction and support him when he does those positive things.
And we do have to highlight those things when he challenges the establishment.
Laura's Encouraging Perspective 00:15:10
We got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to talk about how you got into filmmaking in the first place and then talk about this premiere coming up in October.
It is making sense of the madness.
We are joined by director Matt Fayer.
The film is The Trump I Know, and we'll be back after this.
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There was a Harvard study done of the president's first 100 days in office, and they found that he got historic negative coverage.
Historic.
This is Trump World.
Everybody in it is a liar.
It's really the beginning of the end.
The beginning of the end.
All the walls closing in on him.
He's a bigot.
It is racist.
He's a narcissist.
He's always hated women.
The Trump family's a criminal enterprise.
I know we've said it over and over.
You think this is a tipping point?
And over and over.
It's all so sad to Trump, I know.
They have moved that premiere to October.
I am joined by the director.
And Matt, documentary films, they've got a special place in my heart.
I am a documentary filmmaker myself.
It looks like you've done an A number one bang up job.
It looks like it was shot extremely well, edited very well.
How do you get into documentary filmmaking?
Oh, wow.
I don't know if there's a, you probably have a different answer than me.
So I think we all do.
You know, so few of us, I think, actually go into like the school of making films and then decide to do it.
Instead, there's usually a cause or something else in the background that you just kind of fall into it, right?
Yeah, that's kind of how it worked with me.
I mean, my drive is really for entertainment narratives and things like that.
Like I really am working on, I got a couple of scripts, a TV show, things like that that I'm writing right now.
And so the documentaries actually, like, I actually said at one point, I'm like, I don't ever want to do documentaries.
And then now it's like, that's, you know, kind of what I'm known for.
So yeah, you've got to be careful what you, what you say.
But God has a sense of humor.
But the, uh, but what happened was we ended up doing a documentary about a fire that almost took out our house.
It was a large fire up in Northern California back in 2017, back when kind of the super fires were really starting to kind of appear and people are like, what's going on with this?
And so we were commissioned by our mayor, really, in the town, because she wanted to hold like a commemorative event.
And so we had this idea to do this documentary.
And so we did the documentary and it worked out amazingly.
I actually produced it.
My friend directed it.
But the funny thing was, is that he actually moved to the town the night of the fire.
And so he had this amazing kind of story.
And so we took it around to some film festivals and won some awards.
And then when this film came about, what happened was back in 2017, the movie Unplanned, which I was kind of, I did behind the scenes EPK stuff for that.
And then my wife was an associate producer and had a small role in the film.
When that film came out, I think it was March 29th, 2017.
I remember that because it's my birthday.
But the Twitter account got completely vaporized.
And so, of course, this was back before censorship was cool and everybody was doing it, you know?
So, so this was kind of a big deal.
And so, the filmmakers were asked to come up on Capitol Hill and testify.
And one of those filmmakers was the producer Joe Knopp, who's a friend of ours.
And he got introduced through just a series of connections to Laura Trump, ends up, you know, getting invited to Trump Tower, hangs out with her.
They swap stories.
Joe's got this really amazing kind of like coming up from the gutter, literally from the gutters of Philadelphia.
And now he's a filmmaker.
And Laura was just, you know, sharing her stories of growing up in North Carolina and all of a sudden marrying the son of a, you know, basically the era of the Trump kingdom kind of a thing.
And, you know, Laura's just so amazing and just real and normal.
And so Joe's like hearing all these stories.
She's telling him stories about what's going on with the family behind the scenes.
And Joe's like going like, wow, these are amazing people.
Like, why is this, like, why aren't these stories actually being shared with the American people?
Why do we know more about what's going on with the royal family than we do what's going on with America's first family?
And so he approached her and said, you know, would you, you know, be interested in doing a documentary?
And she said, well, yeah, let's do it.
I'll open up some doors for her if you can put a team together.
And so Joe raised the money and called on us to help be the creative on it.
And so we pulled together a team and, you know, Laura opened up the doors, which is interesting because I actually didn't vote for Trump in 2016.
I thought he was a train wreck.
I'm a libertarian and I voted third party.
I didn't vote for Hillary.
I always have to make that point.
You voted Gary Johnson?
I did.
I voted Gary Johnson.
Oh, come on.
I interviewed Gary like a decade plus ago and he lost me at Aleppo.
And I know that might be pain to some people.
Well, listen, I wanted to be a third party person too.
My thing was he had bent the too much to the establishment.
He started talking too much about gun control and climate action.
And that's not very libertarian to me.
I get it.
Listen, none of us are perfect.
I begrudgingly voted Trump twice because I didn't feel like I was represented any other way.
You know, I felt like he was the true protest vote.
I mean, if we went back to the primaries, quite frankly, Rand Paul would have been my guy.
Rand Paul was my guy.
Yeah, Rand Paul was my guy.
So we come in a very similar perspective.
And, you know, there's a couple of things that you said there.
I'm sorry I interrupted, but I think.
No, no, feel free.
It's your show.
Well, I have a good one.
This one's very light, and I always like talking to filmmakers.
But you talked about how Unplanned in 2017 already saw this massive censorship.
Now, this is pre-COVID 1984 nightmare.
So a lot of people weren't accustomed to this or even aware of it.
But someone like myself who had challenged 9-11 and been demonized for so many years had seen it much more subtly.
And then it started to become overt.
So before YouTube, for instance, partners with the World Health Organization in 2017, they've already partnered with Vox Media.
And, you know, obviously Vox Media is going to lean a certain way and they're going to have algorithms and censorship.
All these people who were FBI, CIA, NSA previously didn't just jump into Twitter, you know, one year when they started censoring.
No, they've been there for a very, very long time.
So number one, talk about that.
And then number two, talk about really how difficult it is right now on any type of mainstream platform to promote a film like this one because of that.
And the fact it's never been rectified.
I mean, you had an individual from Unplanned go and testify before Congress, but what was really done?
You know, what steps were taken?
Instead, we constantly see protection for fake whistleblowers that are calling for what?
More censorship.
Perhaps it's never been more pronounced than when RFK Jr. sits up there in a censorship hearing and in the middle of it, they vote 10-8 not to censor him, but the Democrats have eight out of eight votes to censor him, Matthew.
It's it's we're living in just a clown world right now.
It really is sad that people have been brainwashed into believing that this is the way that we move, you know, self-government forward.
But no, that's what happened in 2017.
It was like, it was kind of a shock.
People didn't know what to do with it.
Now, it sounds like you and I are cut from similar cloth.
You know, I questioned the narrative a lot.
I didn't vote for Trump because I had bought into some of that, unfortunately.
And I really kind of beat myself over the head with that every once in a while.
Like, wow, I really kind of bought into it.
But I started listening to him and started really realizing that he was the protest, you know, candidate, like you said, and was pushing back.
And that's what I kind of waited for.
I was like, oh, when he, you know, he fired Chris Christie and, you know, when he started cutting the regulations and he started doing some of these things and using executive orders the way that Rand Paul and Ron Paul had been talking about, you know, doing, I was like, oh, okay, this is the guy.
And so that's when I really started paying attention and started kind of watching him and observing him, studying him, and then kind of becoming a little bit more acquainted, like I was sharing at the top of the, of the show, about some of the strategy that I think that he engages with because he thinks like 90 years in advance.
I mean, this is the way that he processes information.
And it makes sense because when you're a builder, you deal in 90-year leases, you know, 100-year leases with property.
And so he's thinking that far in advance.
And he loves his grandkids and he really wants to leave a great country to them.
And so he's just willing to do whatever it takes to help expose all of this stuff.
And I think, like you were saying back in 2017, with what was going on in Twitter, and, you know, there was obviously other things happening at that point, but they were all kind of underneath the surface.
And now it's just, it's, it's coming out of the woodworks.
I mean, everything is starting to kind of to to to to be seen, right?
Everything is starting to be revealed more and more and more of what they were already doing behind the scenes is kind of coming out there.
And that's actually kind of encouraging, especially for somebody like myself and probably you, you know, I, I, is that the fact that it's actually being seen and that people are starting to go, wait a minute, hold on a second.
And because I don't know about you, but, you know, for years, I mean, I grew up in a family where we would talk about these things around the dinner table.
But, you know, I, my family lost friendships.
I lost friends, you know, as a young boy because, you know, people didn't agree with my dad's stance or take on certain things.
And ultimately, my dad ended up being proven right.
But, you know, this was the type of conversation that you couldn't have in polite society.
And now all of a sudden, it's like, you know, you have people constantly coming up to me all the time.
You know, I go to some of these events.
You know, you mentioned a reawaken event.
You're going to be there.
I've been to several of those, tons of those.
And people always come up to me and ask me because we've done this documentary.
They're like, they're asking me all of these insights on Trump as if I know the guy personally and he hangs out and tells me all of his secrets.
But they ask me questions and they're so concerned and they're like eyes are up and they're just like, oh my gosh, we're on fire.
Everything's on fire.
Like it's all going down.
And I kind of stop and I look at him and I said, look, I said, I've been around these conversations for probably 40 years, honestly, that I can remember.
And I'm 44.
And so it's as long as I can remember, I've been around these kinds of conversations.
And the fact that you're standing here having this conversation with me and you just woke up because of the election or you just woke up because of COVID or you just woke up and realized that something was not right with the world.
The fact that you're actually here having this conversation with me is actually really encouraging to me because I weathered three decades or actually probably more, 35 years of that wondering whether or not I was crazy.
Well, I wouldn't go that far for me.
So, you know, I'm also 44.
Did not have those conversations at the dinner table whatsoever.
Very apolitical.
I was very much, you know, I remember being at Woodstock 99.
I turned 20 at Woodstock.
And I remember I was buying into even the Russian propaganda at the time because I was still doing duck and cover drills.
You know, they hadn't transitioned to the Arab terrorism stuff yet.
And it was USA number one, the economy was booming, all that pre-9/11 stuff.
And I had kind of been on the peripheral of looking into events like MK Ultra and the Kennedy assassinations, MLK.
So I knew my government was a little bit dirty, but I kind of believed, hey, they probably had to take those guys out for good reason.
You know, there's something there.
And then when I realized that wasn't the case, that they were actually challenging the status quo and that our government, when unchecked, did some unspeakable things to human beings, 9-11 was the tipping point, right?
And that's kind of where I took off.
So I've been having these conversations, I think, more frequently, right?
Especially at events like this one, but I've also been having them for a very long time.
Loose Change, for instance, I think I was 26 when I did that.
So we're talking, you know, and I was the guy, unfortunately, fortunately, I would say fortunately.
I was the guy at Beer Pong in 2004 talking about how John Kerry and George Bush were skull and bones buddies and how they were third cousins on one side, ninth cousins on the other.
And I remember Jon Stewart had put out that first Comedy Central book that was like really big and thick, and it was with the Daily Show.
People should go check out the poster in that.
So there was a four-way poster you could take out, and it had all the kooky connection conspiracy theories from the UN to the CFR to the Zionists and all these things.
And then on the other side, it was an old school boxing match between Skull versus Bones Kerry and Bush.
And they were acknowledging basically that this thing was rigged.
And I, by the way, you know, we talk about election integrity.
Kerry won in 2004, everybody.
That's when they started rolling in the machines.
He was there enough to challenge it.
Boxing Match Rigged? 00:06:43
And guess what?
John Kerry runs way more of the country, especially foreign policy right now, right now.
And Joe Biden runs nothing.
So what does that tell you?
How does the system really work?
And one of the things that, you know, again, Trump has not been shy about saying that, about saying the fact that Joe Biden isn't running anything, right?
And that's still something that you can't hear in the mainstream media narrative.
It's very apparent.
CNN will never say it.
MSNBC will never say it.
ABC, CBS, Fox News will delve into that territory.
Ooh, so risky.
We all know it.
We're all looking at it.
So we got to take a break.
But when we come back, I want to talk about those conversations and how we can be more effective at challenging this post-truth world, this great narrative, what 2024 may hold.
And then, of course, more about the film and its premiere coming up in October.
The film is The Trump I Know will be back after this.
It's making sense of the madness.
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We are back.
It's making sense of the madness.
We're joined by director Matt Thayer.
We're talking the Trump I Know.
And, you know, you discussed 2017 and kind of this soft implementation of censorship.
And one of the things specifically I remember as one of the first really alarming things where I was like, oh, wow, they're taking this to the next level, was when YouTube and other major platforms banned videos, even when they were congressional or Senate videos that mentioned the name Eric Chiarimella.
And Eric Chiaramella, for those that don't know, is the supposed whistleblower behind the impeachment of the evil orange man.
And to this day, one of the first videos on my personal channel that has been blocked in all countries.
So you can only see it if you're logged in as me and it's private.
That's how you get to watch it.
Is when Louis Gomer twice named a list of people, including Eric Chiarimella, as a person he would like to interview in the process.
This is a congressman and this is official government business censored.
Then they took the steps to censor the C-SPAN cutout clip of Rand Paul, who had a large poster and he was going through it and it had Chiaramela's name on it.
And he dared again to say he would like to speak to this person.
Again, not accusing them of anything.
That's when I knew censorship was about to go hog wild, Matthew.
What was that moment in your mind that you saw, wow, this is really going to take off?
Yeah, it was kind of leading up to that, you know.
And, but I mean, what we really experienced was when we tried to get this film out there.
I mean, and we've just been roadblocked the whole way, which is one of the reasons why we're doing this TTIKFilm.com event that everybody needs to check out and be a part of.
Not just because of, you know, like I said, I mean, at the beginning of the show, the authentic stories that we captured about the president that obviously have never gotten out there, but because we need to, as filmmakers, as creatives, as people that are trying to engage with the truth and get the message out there, we have to find creative solutions.
We have to find creative solutions to get this out there.
I mean, look at what's happened to Sound of Freedom for eight years.
The movie's buried.
And then finally, you know, Angel Studios comes out with a different model that disrupts the system.
So we're doing the same thing with this event.
And so this event really is a stand against censorship.
And hopefully we become a way that is viable for filmmakers to, you know, create quality projects that you know, you're a filmmaker, costs a lot of money to do.
And it's a viable option for actually, you know, maybe making a profit, you know, which, you know, profit is good because we are a capitalist society and we live in America and we should be able to actually get paid for what we do.
So So, yeah, so that's really the issue that we had around getting this out there.
Our Twitter account was evaporated.
We couldn't sell t-shirts.
I mean, it was just t-shirts with the logo of the film.
It just said the Trump I know on it.
That's it.
And Facebook accused us of selling alcohol and live animals.
And so we couldn't even.
And you know what?
It wouldn't even matter if you pay all that money to them.
It doesn't even matter.
They still suppress your ass.
It's, you know, I hate to be vulgar, but you are, we are climbing a mountain of censorship and we're trying to battle and fire on all cylinders.
And that's why it's so important that people do take part in these events, that they do go to the website and they do support the film because you talked about it's not just a capitalist society.
You want to make more films.
You know, I haven't made a movie in a decade.
You know, it's been over a decade since I put out my last documentary film.
I've got four of them.
Loose Change, Final Cut, Fabled Enemies, Invisible Empire, New World Order, define and shade the motion picture.
I'd love to do more.
They take literally months, if not years, usually years to come up with an idea, a forum.
Then you got to go get the interviews.
Then you interview somebody for four to six hours.
About five to ten minutes of that is maybe going to make the film if they're a big part of it.
You've got to edit through all that.
You got to get your B-roll.
You want your graphics and you want the message.
I haven't even talked about music yet.
So this is an all-encompassing thing.
And, you know, music rights are insane.
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Oh, they're the worst.
Well, yeah, you know what?
That's why you get premiumbeats.com and all those other little tricks and video blocks.
I use them all, baby.
For all you filmmakers out there, there are ways around it.
But at the same time, all that still costs money.
A lot of that is out of pocket at first.
And the problem is, if you do get investors, oftentimes you're giving up your voice.
They want things to be shot a certain way or a certain narrative to be told.
So the more we can empower individuals like yourself to challenge the great narrative, the more we need to do so.
So let's talk about the film itself and some of these stories.
Because again, these people are going to have limited time to tell their stories, but obviously you've picked some of the most impactful.
Tell us about the one story that kind of just blew you away and knocked your sock off.
Oh my gosh.
Oh, there was, there were several.
There were several that were just really incredible.
And some of them are so simple.
You know, like the manager of Trump Winery, Carrie Woolard, and she talked about how when she was, she met Donald Trump for the first time and they were out touring the property and they had just bought it and they were doing some construction and stuff like that.
So he was there for the day with Eric and how he got out of the car and opened up her door every single time.
Like, you know, just simple stuff like that, you know, was just like, wow.
Like, we're actually, he's just a human being and he's just a decent guy.
So the story about, you know, Paula White, his pastor, who, you know, I mean, and that's the other thing too, a misogynist calls a woman his pastor.
I don't think so.
And so, you know, here's this woman who has been invited to parties and, you know, personal events and he calls for advice.
And, you know, she's talking about, you know, how, you know, she's been in the room with people who are attacking him online now, you know, through Twitter and other things that wanted to be in the room with him, that just wanted to hang out with him.
And she's like, she didn't name any names, but I'm sure that you and I could probably imagine several of the other people that are on that list.
But she was in his office, just standing there, you know, because she would come up to New York and he would invite her in.
And, you know, she would just be in the room.
And all of a sudden, here are all these people just filing in and out and just kissing his butt.
And then all of a sudden, it's like, now these are the people that are attacking him.
And so when Katrina Pearson, you know, who's in the film, talks about how people get upset at him for like, well, why is he so mean on Twitter?
You know, what's all this stuff?
And she's like, she's like, why does he take it so personally?
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And she's like, because it is personal.
Like, these are people that know him that know that you're not a bigot, that know you're not a liar, that know you're not, you know, this heinous individual.
But now they're out there telling everybody that that's who you are.
Like, that is personal because these people know him.
You know, so it's not just the Trump I know from the standpoint of the people that actually interviewed with us and told the stories about the Trump that they know, but it's also these are people out there that know Trump.
These are the Trump that I know out there, the people that are actually attacking him on Twitter are the ones that actually do know him and know that everything that they're saying is hogwash.
ttikfilm.com is the website.
We got to take another break.
We'll be back after this.
It is making sense of the madness.
Make sure to check out the Trump I know and the premiere coming up in October.
Hi, this is Sean Morgan, and this is an AMP Consumer Report.
We interview Patriot business owners who are creating a parallel economy.
I'm here with Jesse Siegel of Card Solutions.
And Jesse, we've had a big problem with financial institutions debanking patriot business owners.
This happened to me.
It happened to AMP News.
So it's good to know someone in your industry actually stands for freedom.
So if a Patriot business owner already has a payment processing company, why should they switch to you?
Simply because I'm going to eliminate their processing fees.
Expensive credit card processing fees are hurting patriot businesses.
Right.
And tell me about the customer service because how does it work with the other companies?
Do they have to wait on the phone and wait for someone from a foreign country to talk to them?
Yes, the sales rep generally is not responsive.
They're not returning phone calls.
I handle it differently.
I'm available seven days a week for my customers.
That's great.
Seven days a week.
Usually that's not possible.
So tell me about the other aspect, the point of service in the merchant account.
I'm not familiar with this model, but you were telling me that you have one umbrella where it's tied together.
That's super important.
So a lot of times merchants are using an outside third party for their software hardware.
And I make it much better because it's one relationship.
The processor has a relationship with a point of sale dealer.
And so it's under one umbrella and they get a better experience.
This seems like a no-brainer, especially if the alternative is a company that doesn't share patriot values.
So thank you for helping us build a parallel patriot economy, Jesse.
And if you're a Patriot business owner and want a free consultation with Jesse, just call or email him with his information below.
Don't get me wrong, obviously I love and appreciate what you guys are doing, but are we going to convince anyone differently?
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It's like we're in such a strange time right now.
Are people open to hearing the real story?
He didn't have to do this.
He didn't need this job.
I cannot think of anyone who has had the constant scrutiny of this president.
But I say all the time, I'm like, if people knew him the way I feel like I know him, we wouldn't even have to be working so hard to tell this story.
The Trump I Know.
We are back at this making sense of the madness.
We're joined by the director of the film, The Trump I Know.
And in that short little trailer, you make the point that the media, and you've mentioned before, has completely and totally demonized this guy, which is really the antithesis of what the media has done really throughout my lifetime.
Whether or not they were critical of Bill Clinton some of the time or George Bush some of the time, they always kind of towed the line.
And then the Barack star came out.
Forget about it.
He's on t-shirts.
He's on the cover of the Rolling Stone as God himself.
He could do no wrong except for on one network, you know, providing us with that left-right paradigm of argument and insanity.
Well, now we're at a point where we've gone beyond media scrutiny and they're waging lawfare against this guy.
And I stated from the very beginning in 2020, when it was very obvious to me that he won the election, he was in the best position possible to audit that election and possibly get the real results that was unable to happen.
And I said, look, if he goes off into the sunset and he just kind of talks once in a while after 2020, he'll probably leave him alone.
If he runs for president again, they're putting him in prison.
And now we're in this situation where whether these indictments are real or not, they're putting them in court systems that will obviously coincide with the 2020 24 election cycle, two of which look so rigged that they might actually put him in prison.
And I posed this question to Roger Stone maybe, I don't know, eight to 10 months ago.
And I said, what if they put him in jail?
His response was, nothing in the rule book about saying you can't be a convicted felon and run for the presidency.
So he expects if he goes to jail, he's just going to run from prison.
We've never, ever experienced anything like this in our lifetimes.
And this is the type of thing that you do see in second and third world nations where political opponents are jailed or worse.
This would set a precedent that we may not be able to come back from in this country.
So what are your thoughts on the idea that they may actually put him in prison?
And where is our country if that actually happens?
Well, it was interesting that you brought up old Eric Carmela there, Reese, you know, back with the fake impeachment stuff.
And, you know, it's funny because he's weathered, you know, the Russia hoax, the Russia investigation, one and two impeachments, you know, like the Stormy Daniels stuff.
I mean, look at all of the things that he's, you know, gone through that, you know, I mean, in the thick of it, people were like, oh, this is going to take down Trump.
Oh, Mueller's going to take down Trump.
Oh, my gosh, you know, they've got him.
They've got impeachment number one.
And they all, you know, blah, Every single time, every single time.
And that's one of the things that we show in the documentary: it's like, you know, they're like, the walls are closing in.
The walls are closing.
And well, it's like, you know, I hated that stuff by that.
But see, that's where the difference is because I'm with you 100%.
You know, obviously, I followed all those cases.
I knew even if he was guilty of these things, because you would have never, for me, convinced me that somehow Trump was going to get impeached because Joe Biden had a corrupt business deal in the Ukraine with his son and then bragged about it, son of a bitch, next to Richard Haas of the CFR.
And Trump's on a phone call questioning why that prosecutor was fired and whether they're going to investigate it.
I'm like, well, they can't get him on this.
He's at a position of strength.
But, you know, and by the way, I don't want the guy to go to prison.
All those people, many of them anyway, were either trying to set a narrative, had severe TDS, and weren't in reality.
They were trying to get those political cheerleaders behind him, set that narrative.
Now I think we're under a different situation, right?
He's already lost the civil case, which was absolutely ridiculous.
They set the precedent to arrest Roger Stone for nothing, put him in jail.
And then I'd say even further than that, love or hate Alex Jones, a billion dollars for questioning Sandy Hook, whether he was 100% wrong or not, and not being able to put on a defense doesn't bode well for Trump.
So, you know, I look at the New York case.
That's a slap on the wrist.
That's some financial warm-up stuff.
Okay.
The Georgia case scares me a little bit more because of where it's located.
The DC case scares the hell out of me.
And then the Florida case, and we're still not onto all of them.
But the Florida case, I think they're bringing in the espionage.
And this one's as ludicrous as it gets, right?
The government literally helped him take the documents out to Mar-a-Lago.
They knew exactly what he was taking.
But in the back of this, they have Joe Biden committing real crimes back when he was Joey B and not Zombie J, when he was that bagman as a vice president, having these documents.
So you convict Trump of that.
It gives them a great out with Dementia Joe.
They run him unopposed.
There's no Democratic debates.
They don't have to admit that he's senile.
They just say, you know, we just convicted a president of the Espionage Act.
We can't put the American people through it any longer.
We're going to cut Joe a Nixon type deal.
He's going to step down.
Newsom's going to step in.
And we're all living in a nightmare.
Now, is that far-fetched?
Or is that the direction that, in my opinion, the predator class would like to take us in?
Oh, no, I think that they're definitely salivating over that, you know, as an opportunity.
I don't think it's going to happen.
I think that there's, I think that there's just too many things that I've watched and observed.
Like I was saying before, when you watch this president and you watch his interactions and you talk to the people that I have, you see a strategist.
And this, I don't feel like anything that's going on, I think it disturbs him.
I think it's, it, you know, definitely bums him out.
I mean, it's only human, but I don't see when I interact with the people, and we were just on the phone with some of his family the other day.
And they're like, we're going to get through this.
You know, we know the truth.
But, you know, the issue is, is that, you know, can we, can we withstand the problem with the court of public opinion?
And that's really kind of the impetus of this film.
I mean, when people ask me, like, well, what, what inspired you about the film?
Because people just think like I was just, you know, like I said, an ardent Trump supporter.
And I'm like, I didn't vote for him.
So I had a journey of my own.
But the thing that really intrigued me was some of the things that you've mentioned, which is we've kind of become this society that's so easily gaslit online and listening to a bunch of people that have absolutely no knowledge and are just trying to be the first narcissistic person to tweet about whatever it is that's happening in the day.
And you're just running with this stuff.
And it's kind of, it feels to me, though, that as scary as some of that is, I still feel like there's a, there's a phrase.
I wish I had come up with it, but it was come up with like, I think it was James Paulus came up with this, but it was basically the digital apocalypse.
And I feel like the digital apocalypse has already happened.
And that, you know, we're now, it's like people are seeing through the cracks.
See, people are seeing through the fissures.
People are starting to go, wait a minute, this isn't real.
You know, this madness that's been happening, we're starting to kind of question things.
Like people that, you know, weren't for Trump and still don't even like the guy are going, you know, I mean, there's TikTok videos of Democrats going like, ah, yeah, okay, but come on.
Like, why are we indicting him for this?
Like, this is dumb.
You know what I mean?
People are starting to kind of question things.
And that's the problem that they're, that the, the, the, the quote unquote bad guys are facing, right?
Is that they're on a ticking clock right now because the more and more things that they do, they can't get it done fast enough because the more and more things they do, the more people start scratching their heads because it doesn't make sense because people are naturally puzzle solvers.
And when all of a sudden things don't kind of line up, you start questioning things.
And the problem is, as you well know, backing based on your story, is that once you have that question, oh, it tickles in the back of your head.
You can't get rid of it.
And there's just way too many things that are raising questions right now for them to be able to smoothly flow into this.
And so, and like I said, I think that I personally, you know, people go like, oh, you know, like you said, they idolized Trump or they, oh, everybody, you know, the Patriots know everybody's got a plan.
Okay, whatever.
But what I'm thinking, though, is that based on what I know, based on what I've experienced in the interviews and interacting with the people around him, the stories that have been told, the research that I've done based on him and his history, not just what he's doing right now, I see a person that thinks forward, right?
Cares about his kids, cares about his grandkids, cares about his legacy.
And he's been down and out so many different times and has come back so many different times from bankruptcies, from all of these different things.
So it's not like he hasn't been in these types of situations before.
This is probably the most egregious and scariest and the biggest.
But, you know, I think ultimately, man, if all of a sudden this shifts and he uses this in some way to expose all of the garbage that's been happening, I have a hard time believing the bad guys will be able to pull wool over people's eyes for a very long time.
Well, the bad guys have been doing it for a very long time, so I'm not so sure.
You're more of an optimist than I am.
We got to take one more break.
We'll come back after this and we'll tell you how you can go check out the Trump I Know and support independent filmmaking because it is so important and stuff that what challenges the great narrative that they continue to push.
Final Segment of Making Sense 00:06:05
We'll be back after this.
It's Making Sense of the Madness.
Final segment of Making Sense of the Madness.
Matt, in the last few minutes we have in the broadcast, tell people how they can get involved in this premiere and get a digital copy of the film.
Yeah, so go to ttikfilm.com, ttikfilm.com.
Like we mentioned, we have been asked to move the date of the event internally.
And it was going to be on the 27th of August, but just due to some other events, unforeseen things, we felt like it would be better to push that out.
It's going to be an amazing event.
There's going to be unseen footage.
So, we like we talked about Jason, you know, you can only show so much in a 90-minute documentary, and yet you've interviewed people for hours and hours and hours.
And so, there's some really great stuff that we had to cut out that hit the cutting room floor that we're going to be able to pull out and share with people.
So, these are even more exclusive stories, kind of deleted scenes, if you will.
So, it's not just going to be the film, they're going to have that.
You're also going to have special guests with us.
And it's also really neat.
It's a cool interactive environment.
And so, it's like this 360-degree wall.
And there's some videos that we've put out where people have done this in the past, where it's basically like this gigantic Zoom call.
And so, everybody is there on the wall, and you can watch and ask questions.
And so, it's going to be this totally kind of two-way interactive release of the film.
And it's going to be something like you've never seen before.
So, you want to get your tickets, ttikfilm.com, get those today.
You'll get a free download.
So, if anybody that interacts this week, go to ttikfilm.com and you'll get a free download of the event once it's done, which is normally an add-on.
So, there is a bonus for you if you act now.
Matthew, what's the final message you'd like to leave with my audience?
Wow, that's always such a hard question sometimes.
But, you know, I'm an ardent believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I believe that more than anything, he's got a plan.
And, you know, I was reading in Psalms the other day, and for anybody that wants to look it up, it's Psalms 91, 5 through 9.
And basically, it says that anybody that's stupid doesn't understand this.
And basically, it's like, you know, you're a moron if you don't get this next point.
And the next point that he made was that when evil crops up in the world, it's only so that it can be mowed down.
And so I think that that's what we're seeing right now.
So that is the beginning of wisdom: if you can look at the world that way and you can see, like, hey, you know what?
It's all was all hidden before, like we were talking about.
It was all kind of behind the scenes.
Most people weren't paying attention to it.
Now it's starting to be cropped up.
It's starting to kind of head.
You know, the tears are starting to show themselves.
Well, that's when the sickle comes in and starts getting mowed down because we are advancing more and more, if you look through history, towards more liberty, more freedom.
And I think this is just the next step.
It just sucks to go through.
But we went through it in 1776.
We went through it in the mid-1800s.
We've gone through it several times.
And I think we're going to be able to get through it again.
But we can't lose hope.
We got to keep fighting and we got to stay in it.
The Trump I Know is the film.
Matthew, it has been a pleasure.
Thank you so much for joining us.
And thank you guys at home for joining us as well here at the AMP News Network, ampnews.us, where the truth lives.
And remember, folks, it's not about left or right.
It's always about right and wrong.
And we'll see you on the flip side.
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