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Oct. 1, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: Longshoremen's union playing hardball with Biden

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	The End
	The End Okay, dive in.
	The debate.
	What's your advice?
	Yeah, I'm just a little worried about the expectations game at this point.
	I think people... Yes, J.D.
	Vance has said some really, I think, disqualifying things about women and how he views people and their role in life.
	But he will be articulate, and he will be prepared, and he will be better than Trump was.
	And I think it's really going to be a challenge for Tim Walz.
	Oh yes, build that narrative and build it now before there's a disastrous result this evening for Tim Walz against the, I think it was Yale, was it not?
	Yale-trained lawyer and vice-presidential nominee J.D.
	Vance.
	Greetings, friends.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Great to be back in the saddle here for your next three hours on America First.
	Across the nation, I thank very sincerely Bob France and Mark Davis, who Managed to step in the breach for me so admirably.
	I listened to a little bit every single day as my wife decided it's time for a little summer vacation, at least a long weekend in New Hampshire.
	We enjoyed it immensely.
	Mr. G, how did Mark and Bob fare?
	They did very good.
	Good, and... You listen, though, don't you?
	Well, I can't listen all three hours because I'm supposed to be on vacation, although I did come home early yesterday and I refused to come in the office, in the studio, because I knew you'd make fun of me, Jeff, right?
	I actually had a feeling you were going to come in yesterday.
	I thought I was going to get the text yesterday morning that you were going to be in.
	It was close.
	It was close.
	My wife said, OK, we came home early.
	You only got two days off.
	But why don't you take the day off?
	So I went to the gun range.
	We'll talk about that maybe a little bit later.
	It was super fun.
	Mr. G, your expectations for this evening?
	I don't think the needle will be moved bigly anyway.
	How about you?
	I think they'll both just do fine.
	And they'll all have a couple of good lines.
	That's about it.
	Eric?
	I fully expect, I think Claire McCaskill's, the former senator's fears will be realized.
	As I've said before, my favorite phrase to use, J.D.
	will eat Tim Walz alive on that stage.
	Okay, I've got to ask you this, Eric, and maybe Jeff knows as well, why are former senators invited to talk about anything?
	I don't care whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, who cares?
	McCaskill in particular, because remember, she was the senator from Missouri, which is a red state, so she was a blue senator.
	So they tell her, oh, she was a blue senator.
	Never mind, the only reason she got elected was because of a fellow by the name of Todd Akin.
	You may remember that.
	Yeah, totally.
	She never would have been a senator otherwise, but they love her.
	Oh, she's a red state democrat.
	She knows what she's talking about.
	Jeff, former senators, I don't get it.
	Well, you've got to get paid somehow after you've done being a senator, so that's what she is.
	She's a contributor.
	Ah yes, the cynical and probably very correct answer.
	Okay, so on to the important news of the day.
	We will have amazing guests for you.
	Dinesh D'Souza for the rest of the first hour on his brand new movie.
	Your fan favourite Lord Conrad Black.
	I bet he'll have a thing or two to say about the debate.
	And Eric Metaxas, my Salem colleague and outspoken individual who has a message.
	For all the Christians in America in the last 32 days of this election.
	But let's talk about the big news that's driving the news coverage the second you open social media, the internet, whatever, whatever platform you get your information from.
	And it is, of course, Hurricane Helene.
	Devastating, devastating impact across the nation.
	Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina.
	Florida as well.
	The images are truly shocking.
	One town under 20 feet of water.
	Asheville absolutely devastated.
	And what did President Trump do?
	I got a DM from one of my followers on Twitter and he said to me, Day before yesterday, or maybe it was Saturday, President Trump needs to go and give out aid in one of these afflicted areas.
	I said, that's a really interesting idea.
	I sent it to the campaign, and the campaign instantly said to me, President Trump is already on his way.
	And here he is, being asked a very simple question about where is the current incumbent, the current President of the United States, and here's President Trump's answer.
	Cut 11.
	Have you reached out to President Biden about federal relief efforts?
	No, I haven't reached out to him, no.
	I think he's sleeping right now, actually.
	I think he's sleeping right now.
	And it continued with this Cut, Cut 12.
	The governor's doing a very good job.
	He's having a hard time getting the president on the phone.
	I guess they're not being responsive.
	The federal government is not being responsive.
	But they're having a very hard time getting the president on the phone.
	He won't get on.
	And, of course, the vice president, he's out someplace campaigning, looking for money.
	She was.
	She was campaigning in California at a billionaire's campaign event.
	She wants to be president, but it's more important for her to raise money instead for herself and for her campaign.
	At least there was a random act of journalism in the press corps of the White House, which led to Biden being asked a question that made him a little bit angry.
	Cut 16.
	Donald Trump has accused both of you of ignoring the decision to fly.
	Let me get this straight.
	He's lying.
	And the governor told him he was lying.
	The governor told me he's lying.
	I've spoken to the governor, I've spent time with him, and he told me he's lying.
	I don't know why he does this.
	And the reason I get so angry about it, I don't care about what he says about me.
	I care what he communicates to the people that are in need.
	He implies that we're not doing everything possible.
	We are.
	We are.
	Mr. G, why is Biden so angry in that clip?
	I assumed I heard the Republican governor of Georgia talk about that he was on the phone with me more than once.
	So that's simply not true.
	It's irresponsible.
	I don't know what the governor must say.
	Mr. G, why is Biden so angry in that clip?
	What happened there?
	Because it was correct.
	That's the ones that he gets the most angry about.
	It is!
	That's the kind of tell.
	When he's really angry, it's because somebody's asked him a question that's actually true.
	You know what it reminds me of?
	Is when he was screaming about all of his shady business deals with Hunter.
	During 2020.
	That's when he would get really angry because it was all true.
	Right, right.
	That's the tell.
	When he gets angry, that's the tell.
	What is Kamala doing in the meantime?
	We have people killed, communities wiped away, devastation the likes of which we haven't seen in a long, long time.
	She's giving interviews on podcasts that are straight out of the Hillary Clinton, I carry hot sauce in my handbag!
	No?
	Yeah, it's actually exactly the same with hot sauce replaced with another item, but it's the same level of pandering.
	Cut it!
	One of my guilty pleasures, especially when I'm on the road, are my Doritos.
	What flavor?
	Nacho.
	Old school.
	Original.
	Come on.
	That's exactly right.
	Gotta have a napkin nearby.
	Eric, what was that?
	Once again, an attempt to sound like a normal American.
	Like, I like Doritos just as much as the next girl, in this case.
	It just comes across, and look at the body language of the two hosts.
	They're just kind of looking dead, like, away from her, straight head.
	Like, even they're not buying that she's a normal person.
	And I know I'm an immigrant, but what is that pronunciation?
	Doritos.
	What is Doritos?
	What is that?
	I don't know.
	Doritos?
	Oh, yeah, Doritos.
	I always pronounce, like, the hard T in Doritos instead of a D, which is what that sounded like.
	So weird.
	Alex, is that going to appeal to anyone, that you've got to have a napkin nearby when you eat those Doritos?
	Just the NPCs, Dr. G. The NPCs.
	What is an NPC?
	Look it up.
	It is a perfect description of today's Democrat Party.
	If you enjoy what we provide for you here, never ever miss any of the deep dive, the long form.
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	Okay.
	Alright, I'll ask him.
	Oh yes.
	What did we say to Dave earlier?
	We said replace Walsh with... Chris Farrell.
	Chris Farrell?
	Yep.
	And then what was the other thing?
	Bensman with Lamb.
	Lamb.
	Okay, good.
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	I was driving.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I just need titles for that and also for Chris.
	For Chris... Like the Deep State's usual suspect or something?
	No, no, no, no.
	I want to focus explicitly on the CIA with this one.
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	Yeah, just how rotten is the CIA.
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	So who is the real Donald Trump?
	Wherever I go, whoever I talk to, wherever I give speeches, whatever the topic is, sooner or later people always ask me the same question.
	What's he really like?
	What's the president really like?
	Well now, you've got somewhere else to get the answer from.
	It's the brand new movie, Vindicating Trump, and here's a little tease.
	Somebody has to help this country, and if they don't, the country and the world are in big trouble.
	Someone's got to overturn the tables in the temple.
	Trump jumping into the presidential race.
	Power!
	She's a bit worried.
	Of the apprentices?
	You know the feeling of power?
	Could you handle it or would it devour?
	They fear that power.
	You didn't do an insurrection.
	Had you called for one, there would have been one.
	And there would be one if you called for one now.
	I'm not sure I want that power.
	I want the power just to make the country better.
	America first!
	And that scares them.
	A lot about Donald Trump scares them.
	Let's look at everything.
	Campaign, his family.
	Let's get foreign eyes on him.
	We have one target.
	You know who he is.
	Going after their companies, their families.
	That is a dictator.
	It's a very dangerous time for our country.
	The goal is to put him in jail because they're so afraid of his voice.
	I am your voice!
	If they bury him so deep in the legal, it'll bankrupt them.
	Broke, got him.
	In jail right before the election.
	Sorry for being that guy, but isn't that election interference?
	It's not interference if we do it.
	We just want a free and fair election.
	Sounds expensive.
	Ballots ain't cheap.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Did you actually say the word buy the ballots?
	We were able to purchase 10,000 ballots.
	That's terrifying.
	They cheat in many different ways.
	That's all they're good at.
	Ready to save democracy?
	We need to stop him permanently.
	And that person will be risking his life.
	Too bad it's not the 60s, right?
	It's the wing you survived.
	I said, get me up.
	Trump has beaten back every attack against him.
	It's like the damn Terminator.
	We're going to fix our borders, and we're going to fix our elections.
	We're going to win.
	This is my legacy.
	The best is yet to come.
	The man behind that film said to me about three minutes ago, it's a really good trailer.
	He wasn't wrong.
	Let's talk to him right now, my Salem colleague, my good friend and amazing patriot, Dinesh D'Souza, the man behind Vindicating Trump.
	Welcome back, Dinesh.
	Thank you, Seb.
	It's a pleasure and I'm very excited about this film and it's out in 800 plus theaters right now.
	There's no reason to wait.
	Go take your family and friends and see it.
	All right.
	Go now to VindicatingTrump.com.
	Find out how you get the tickets to the nearest theater to you.
	VindicatingTrump.com.
	He makes amazing movies, writes incredible books.
	That's VindicatingTrump.com.
	All right.
	I want to get Media Matters knickers in a twist right now.
	Are you transcribing it now?
	I hope you are.
	Okay.
	So there's this little thing in the little moment of that great trailer where you say to President Trump, if you'd wanted an insurrection, you would have had an insurrection!
	And I've never thought of that like that.
	I apologize for not, you know, thinking, you know, the blue sky of that.
	You're absolutely right.
	This makes the whole insurrection You know, it also explains why they keep calling Trump a Caesar, a dictator, an autocrat.
	And here's what I mean.
	it would have happened, Dinesh.
	You know, it also explains why they keep calling Trump a Caesar, a dictator, an autocrat.
	And here's what I mean.
	They didn't use that particular accusation against George W. Bush or McCain or even Reagan.
	They'd say Reagan's a washed-up movie actor, but they wouldn't call him a dictator as So why did they use that charge against Trump?
	Answer?
	Because he does have that larger-than-life dimension.
	He was a massive cultural celebrity even before he got into politics.
	So he has that power that scares the left.
	In a way, he's our 800-pound gorilla to take on their 800-pound gorilla, and their 800-pound gorilla is not an individual.
	It's certainly not Kamala Harris.
	It's more of a regime.
	Right, right.
	Absolutely.
	I see in the movie there our good friend Siaka Massaquah.
	So happy to see him there.
	And this other aspect, and you mentioned Butler, of course.
	You asked President Trump about being shot.
	If he had any of the traits the left accused him of having, the wannabe dictator, the Mussolini, after he was shot in the head, he would have exploited that.
	He would have said, rise MAGA, take back America.
	Any other venal politician would have exploited being shot at by a Democrat, and he did none of that, Dinesh.
	In fact, his reaction is so unusual, bordering on the whimsical, by the way.
	After the second assassination, he's annoyed that it's interrupted his golf game.
	He was just about to make, it turns out, an amazing shot.
	And he's not sure if he'd be quite in the same form if he tried to do it later.
	I mean, who reacts this way?
	Who goes on social media and posts zero for two?
	Almost like taunting would-be assassins.
	Hey guys, you need to aim better.
	You need to improve your score.
	This is a man of, I think, sublime courage.
	I cannot think of anybody alive today who would have reacted to those two assassination attempts in the way that Trump did.
	And an important point here is that I feel so contemptuous toward Republicans who say things like, well, you know, I don't like the guy, but I like his policies, or he has a problematic character, or he needs to shut his mouth.
	Dinesh, tell him to stop posting that stuff on social media.
	And I'm thinking to myself, you know what?
	This is a guy whose virtues surpass yours.
	By a count of a hundred.
	I mean, this is a guy who has gigantic virtues of magnanimity.
	I mean, people say that Trump's a bully.
	Have you ever seen Trump bullying someone who's beneath him?
	Never.
	He never bullies a waiter.
	He never bullies a doorman.
	He will take on, as I say, other 800-pound gorillas and give them in good measure.
	But this is a guy who is a genuinely nice and thoughtful guy.
	And like I say, braver than anyone we can name.
	I mean, I have to even go back through the landscape of American history, and with the possible exception of Teddy Roosevelt, it's hard to think of a man with more courage and bravery than Trump.
	All right, this is such an important point, and I'm going to dwell on something that was sent to me by a friend last week, and I'm going to share it publicly because it goes to exactly this point.
	VindicatingTrump.com.
	VindicatingTrump.com.
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	Back with Dinesh in a moment.
	- - Filming this. - You know, Seb, we started it about six months ago, Amazingly, we shot all these recreations and we anticipated an assassination attempt.
	There's no way we could have shot those recreations with Nick Searcy and so on after that.
	But what happened with Trump is we were supposed to interview him a couple months ago and it fell through.
	And I was kind of annoyed because we were, you know, moving on deadline for this film.
	But as it turned out, we interviewed him one week after the... Wow!
	The assassination attempt and after the GOP convention and it's great because all of that is now in the film.
	Fabulous.
	Amazing timing.
	And it's based, is it not based on a book first?
	Yeah, it's based on a book that comes out in one week.
	The book is out a week from now and it's got the same title and the same cover.
	Eric, can you get the cover of the book?
	Uh, yeah.
	Who's it?
	Was it your book?
	It's my book.
	It's Vindicating Trump.
	You can just pull it right off Amazon.
	You've got, you've got Katie's new book, right?
	I do not have it.
	I would like to have it.
	All right.
	I'll text you.
	It looks really good.
	It's fabulous.
	In fact, send it to me, Seb, because I'll have her on my podcast.
	Super.
	We'll text each other after the thing and then just send me the mailing address.
	Yeah, I will.
	Good, good, good, good.
	And so how long do you think before it'll stream?
	What's the tactical interval?
	It should be in theaters for another... It opened last weekend, so it should be in theaters through this week and next week, and then we pivot to DVDs and streaming.
	In fact, Salem has the exclusive deal on DVDs.
	They're the only ones selling DVDs.
	Good.
	The streaming will be basically Rumble, Locals, and Salem.
	And so we're going to try to do our best to get it out.
	And how do you do it on Rumble?
	Is there a charge on Rumble?
	Or is it advertising based?
	Rumble basically can set it up that you can just buy the film.
	We also made a deal with them.
	They're promoting something called Rumble Premium.
	And so they're going to offer the film as an incentive to sign up for Rumble Premium.
	And then they'll pay us for everybody who does that.
	When does Premium launch?
	Uh, it's, it's imminent.
	I mean, very soon.
	Exciting.
	Exciting.
	90 seconds.
	Yep.
	Uh, pillow here, at the top?
	Uh, yes.
	All right.
	What?
	What?
	Still need a title for the monologue, by the way.
	Yeah, give me... I'm going to be talking about President Trump, so give me Butler B-roll in the background.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Biden's angry.
	I'm going to.
	I'm going to email you the link for the movie, so just click and watch.
	Perfect, perfect.
	The title, Biden's angry Kamala's eating Doritos.
	Kamala's munching Doritos.
	Actually, come in with seven, and then I'll do my pillow.
	All right.
	And Donald Trump doesn't care about any of that.
	He only cares about whether a particular crisis can be used to manipulate his, you know, manipulate the public.
	And that's why he's willing to tell lie after lie.
	I mean, he's a pathological liar.
	He doesn't have that shame gene that the rest of us have when we even make the slightest mistake, even accidentally.
	Wouldn't it be nice if George Conway had a shame dream, because clearly he doesn't have one, and he says President Trump doesn't.
	A man who got shot at, and then almost got killed another time, and then now, this weekend, is going back to Butler, Pennsylvania.
	You're reprehensible.
	You're human filth, George Conway.
	You truly, truly are.
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	We're back with the man behind the imminent book to be released next week, Vindicating Trump, that you can watch right now in theaters as a movie.
	Find out where it is playing.
	VindicatingTrump.com.
	You talked about The bravery of this man who beggars belief, maybe we have to go back to the founding fathers to find an American of a similar ilk in terms of courage.
	And you mentioned how you're fed up with conservatives who criticize his style and like his policies.
	So a friend, it's not a friend, a friend of a friend who was of assistance to my son Last year, he texted me this, and he's a patriot.
	He's on the edge of retirement, which may be coloring his views.
	He said, quote, I wish Trump would focus on the issues instead of ranting and raving about stuff people already know.
	I got into a long interchange with him about ranting and raving.
	Have you ever watched one of his rallies where he's throwing out the actual policies that Kamala can never talk about?
	From tariffs to securing the border to rebuilding national security.
	Can you go to this point of, help me Dinesh, because I get really angry and sometimes I just let it out.
	When I have somebody who says they're a conservative say, I just, his style, his style.
	And I'm thinking, what, 30,000 murderers led into the country, 20 million illegals, war in the Middle East, war in Europe, and you're still going on about mean tweets.
	What do you say to these people, Dinesh?
	Because I need a hand here.
	I'm going to give it to you in a completely unexpected way.
	And this is an analogy that I put directly to Trump in the film itself.
	I said, before I came to America, I didn't know much about America, but I would see movies.
	And my favorite genre was the Western.
	And I said, now let's consider the plot of a Western and apply it to our situation.
	It typically starts with a very peaceful town called Shinbone or Pleasantville.
	And there's a old sheriff with a toothbrush mustache and an old rifle.
	I'm going to call that guy the GOP establishment.
	And then some ruthless gangsters come in that are murderous, fanatical, shoot up the place, intimidate the sheriff, take over the saloon, take over the provision store, and Shinbone is not the same again.
	And then, just when it seems like things are hopeless, over the mountain comes an outsider, a stranger.
	That's Trump.
	Not a lot is known about him.
	His past is supposed to be a little shady or suspect, but here's one thing we do know.
	The gangsters recognize right away that this guy, and only this guy, poses a mortal threat to them.
	He's the one guy that could take all of them down, and so they set about trying to buy him off, intimidate him, chase him away, beat him up, kill him if necessary.
	And here's the interesting thing.
	The other members of the town, and this is people like the guy who's texting you, always will say to the outsider, Why don't you fight like us?
	Which is a ridiculous thing to say because they don't know how to fight.
	They have proven that they don't know how to fight.
	All that they know how to do is cower and whimper.
	They need somebody like this who actually brings the qualities of genuine bravery to the field, and yet they view him with great suspicion, at least until the very end of the movie when the guy gets on his horse and rides away, and that's when they want to beg him to stay because there could be new gangsters and we need you and so on.
	The point is that I think that you have a peculiar habit on the part of Republicans who themselves could never face two criminal charges, let alone 91.
	Right.
	Who, if they had one assassination attempt, would basically disappear and never be seen again.
	And they, faced with the fighting spirit of a guy like Trump, far from appreciating it, they go into sort of pompous lecturing mode and tell him how he should be more like them.
	Because they don't have the backbone.
	They don't have the courage.
	Find out how this man really operates and how much he loves America.
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	All right, we played 12, right?
	Um, uh, yes we did.
	Both.
	We played both 11 and 12.
	You didn't play Butler, so let's do it here when I start talking to Dinesh.
	Okay.
	And then we'll do Patriot Mobile at the top.
	Alrighty.
	So I gotta ask, how hard is it to get hundreds of movie theaters as a conservative movie maker, Dinesh?
	You know, it's the hard part, Seb, filling the theaters.
	It's not hard to get them.
	Okay.
	Obviously, it helps because this is the eighth documentary and there's a record there, so the theaters are much more open.
	But ideologically, they're on our side.
	They're willing to have our movies.
	Reagan had a good time in theaters.
	Of course, Daily Wire's film, Am I Racist?
	I've had no trouble at all.
	And, um, but it's not an easy thing to fill theaters when they're doing multiple showings a day and you got a lot of them.
	Right, right.
	And do you do, do you negotiate that?
	Do you have an agent who does that for you?
	We have a couple of guys who run a small distribution company and I'd be happy to introduce you to those guys.
	Oh yeah.
	But they're the ones who get us in the theater.
	But again, we've used different distribution companies and they all can achieve the same result as long as you're able to make a case that this is a legitimate film and there's a legitimate audience that will come and see it.
	And then how does it work?
	They give you a window and they say you've got to put enough bums on seats for a week or two weeks.
	Is it time sensitive?
	Yeah, these days movies are very rarely in a theater for more than two weeks.
	Two weeks is kind of a normal run.
	They only guarantee you the first week.
	And if you don't do well in theaters, those theaters can pull you.
	Got it.
	Put something else in there.
	They have every right to do that.
	They also usually want to know what's your P&A spend, like what's your advertising spend on this movie.
	They want to make sure that you've got publicity behind it.
	And the economics of it are basically, if a movie ticket is $12, you're gonna make about five bucks.
	Got it.
	So the theater will take five and you'll pay a commission to a distributor.
	So by and large, you'll end up with five.
	Five out of twelve.
	Fascinating, fascinating.
	Yeah, that's the overview.
	I just sent you the screener, by the way, Seb.
	It's in your email.
	Just click and watch.
	Love it.
	but we'll do that tonight with Katie.
	Not coming into anything?
	No, just...
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	Dinesh, you sat down with the President.
	I've had him on the show numerous times since I left the administration.
	I've seen him privately a couple of times at Mar-a-Lago, but I don't delve into the deep philosophical or emotional with him.
	We talk politics, we talk about winning, we talk about saving America.
	I've got to ask you, as a fellow immigrant to this nation, You asked him about being shot at.
	You asked him right after the assassination attempt in Butler.
	Since then there's been another attempt as well.
	Have you identified what it is?
	that makes him tick and has this courage because, look, I've got an excuse.
	So have you to a certain extent.
	My father was tortured, was arrested by communists and put in prison with a life sentence.
	You know what America has given for you, to you, as your amazing success here as a documentarian, a broadcaster, an author.
	Why does this man who had everything Why is he prepared to risk it all?
	Did you find the key to that question?
	Yeah, I'll say two things about it.
	There is an interview with Trump that I brought up in my conversation with him.
	He was interviewed by Charlie Rose in the early 1990s.
	And this is when Trump was really, he had gone into the complete doldrums.
	He was not only bankrupt, he owed a couple of hundred million dollars.
	There's a little anecdote when he was walking with Marla Maples.
	And he saw a homeless guy and Marla said something like, hey, look at that poor guy.
	I mean, he's dead broke.
	And Trump goes, that man is $200 million richer than me because Trump was in the red for $200 million.
	Now, Charlie Rose asked Trump at that time, he says, did you ever think And Trump goes, no.
	And Charlie goes, but I mean, even privately, did the thought ever cross your mind?
	Like, I'm done.
	I'm finished.
	I'll never be back.
	And Trump goes, no.
	That thought never crossed my mind.
	And now think about it.
	Any academic, any progressive leftist listening to this will think, this is crazy.
	Trump is just, he has a lack of introspection.
	He's unable to, he doesn't have an inner life.
	The remarkable thing about Trump, though, is I think he has a steely capacity To forge ahead in situations that would cause normal people to disperse, to panic, to run for cover, to go under the desk and into the fetal position.
	And I think that that natural instinct kicked in, for example, with the assassination attempt.
	Now, with regard to his motivation, I can't think of any other motivation other than the fact that he has developed a certain Deep sympathy with the ordinary working class guy.
	I mean, think, Seb, of that famous scene where he goes down the escalator.
	This was in 2015 when he first ran for president.
	It's in the movie.
	I think of the cultural elite at the top of the escalator.
	People like Ellen DeGeneres and Oprah and all the Hollywood cool cats.
	And Trump was one of them.
	But then he gets on the escalator and he descends.
	He goes down.
	Where?
	I envision the sort of forgotten Americans at the bottom of the escalator.
	These are people who are screwed over.
	Their jobs have been traded away.
	And Trump didn't have to take their side, but he did.
	He chose to.
	And that's why they're so fiercely attached to him.
	But by the same token, the elites at the top of the escalator see Trump as betraying them.
	He's a traitor!
	Why is he joining the Pitchfork people and turning against us?
	And this helps us to understand why the very same people who adored Trump and wanted to be seen and photographed with him turned so viciously against him.
	But it still doesn't explain the, what did you call it, this beautiful phrase, the sublime courage, because I don't hang out in these circles, but I've met a fair few very rich people, and there's nothing special about them.
	The Elon Musks of the world are truly the oddity.
	This man is a rich man who is prepared to go back to the scene of where he was shot in the head This weekend, have you divined something that is the genesis of the courage?
	I know he loves America.
	I love this example you gave of the coming down the escalators is him coming to real America and leaving the elitists behind.
	But the source of the courage, where does that come from?
	Is it genetic?
	You know, I don't know, but let me say this.
	There's a very illuminating section by the philosopher Aristotle on courage, and this is what he says.
	He says, first, courage is the greatest of all the virtues, not only because it's the most admirable in and of itself, but because it gives you the strength to do all the other virtues.
	It enables the other virtues.
	But then he says something that I found quite startling.
	He goes, many people think of courage as the absence of fear.
	Trump is fearless.
	And Aristotle goes, no, that's not true.
	The fearless man is not courageous.
	The fearless man is actually reckless.
	A guy who runs off a precipice and jumps into the water below not knowing if there are rocks down there, that's a reckless man.
	Aristotle says that courage is an in-between virtue.
	It's in between recklessness or stupidity on the one side and timidity or cowardice on the other.
	The courageous man has fear.
	He does not overcome the fear.
	But he is attached to something bigger than that.
	He has a goal.
	He's willing to take the risk in the full understanding of what it entails.
	I think this helps us to grasp, not necessarily where Trump gets his courage, but what is involved in exercising the virtue of courage.
	Um, just a question.
	Hey, Mr. G, how many national radio shows that are syndicated across the nation talk about Donald Trump and Aristotle in the same segment?
	I think this is the first time.
	I think we just made history there.
	And he's absolutely right.
	How many times have I said on this show?
	Courage is the virtue that makes all the other virtues possible.
	But Dinesh can actually tell you which book it came from.
	Follow him at Dinesh D'Souza.
	We'll continue the discussion.
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	Awesome, Seb.
	We'll finish up by the end of the hour, right?
	Oh, we'll be done in the next five minutes, yeah.
	You'll be done at 58.
	Short three and a half minute segment.
	Awesome.
	Yeah, it's a three and a half minute segment.
	You'll be super quick.
	I've only got one question.
	Katie's book here.
	Uh, Uh, yes, Katie's book here.
	Eric, get the top clip of the Vance.
	I found the one, the one that Media Matters wrote.
	Is that the one?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's perfect.
	We'll use that with Conrad.
	Okay.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah, I have only five more minutes.
	It's kind of long.
	It's like a minute 20.
	You want me to try to shorten it or?
	Um, yeah, shorten it.
	Cause I want to use Bibby with him as well.
	And that's super long.
	Is there any way you could shorten Bibby as well?
	Yeah, I think the second half was more important, don't you?
	Yes.
	Alright, let me shorten both of them.
	Yes.
	Okay.
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	We're back with my good friend, patriot extraordinaire, filmmaker, author, the man behind the latest book, Vindicating Trump, which is now a movie!
	Watch it, go right now to VindicatingTrump.com, VindicatingTrump.com.
	Dinesh, just share with us, we've got like two minutes left.
	What is something that you learnt about President Trump in the writing of the book, the making of the movie, that you didn't know or may surprise our millions of listeners?
	I first met Trump in 2019 when he was in the Oval Office about a year or so after he had given me a presidential pardon.
	So you hadn't met him before you got your pardon?
	No, and that's very telling because people will say, oh, Dinesh, you know, like, you know, Trump must have really owed you big time.
	You must have known him really well.
	No, I'd never met him.
	I'd spoken to him once briefly on the phone, but he certainly didn't owe me anything.
	And however, after it happened, he was like, come by the Oval Office.
	I'd like to meet your family.
	So we had a little bit of a sit down with Trump.
	Now, the reason this is significant is we saw a side of Trump.
	Debbie, my wife did, I did, my family did.
	And we left saying to each other, you know, Trump has a certain manly aversion to showing feelings, showing vulnerability, showing a sort of full dimension of himself.
	And, but if more Americans could see what we just saw, they would warm to him immediately.
	And so when I sat down with Trump, I was kind of determined to bring out a side or a dimension of Trump that people don't often see.
	But to do that, it's a little tricky because you have to control the trajectory of the interview.
	And as you know, Trump is so full of life and so full of ideas that he's capable of taking a single question and speaking for 45 minutes straight.
	Will you do me a favor, Dinesh?
	So, I'm going to go and see the movie with my wife, and I think I'm going to have a lot more questions and things to share with our listeners and viewers.
	Can we get you back once Katie and I have seen the movie?
	Love to do it.
	In fact, it will stimulate you and I'm also going to send you a digital galley of the book and you take a look at it and between the two there'll be another whole bunch to talk about.
	Let's put it that way.
	I'm sure, I'm sure.
	But now I can hear Debbie calling in the background.
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	The vast majority of Iranians know their regime doesn't care a whit about them.
	If it did care, if it cared about you, it would stop wasting billions of dollars on futile wars across the Middle East.
	It would start improving your lives.
	Imagine if all the vast money the regime wasted on nuclear weapons and foreign wars were invested in your children's education, in improving your health care, in building your nation's infrastructure, water, sewage, all the other things that you need.
	Imagine that.
	But you know one simple thing.
	Iran's tyrants don't care about your future, but you do.
	When Iran is finally free, and that moment will come a lot sooner than people think, everything will be different.
	Our two ancient peoples, the Jewish people and the Persian people, will finally be at peace.
	What I find so disturbing about this is if you think about the modern Democrat Party, not the older guys, the Clintons, the Bernie Sanders, the Joe Bidens, but think about Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC, all of these people.
	It's like a party where the next generation of leaders, none of them have kids, right?
	And look, I understand some people don't have kids, there are health reasons, there are other reasons people don't have kids, but the entire Democrat Party is like this childless cabal of people who don't really care about the future
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	The vast majority of Iranians know their regime doesn't care a whit about them.
	If it did care, if it cared about you, it would stop wasting billions of dollars on futile wars across the Middle East.
	It would start improving your lives.
	Imagine if all the vast money the regime wasted on nuclear weapons and foreign wars were invested in your children's education, in improving your health care, in building your nation's infrastructure, water, sewage, all the other things that you need.
	Imagine that.
	But you know one simple thing.
	Iran's tyrants don't care about your future, but you do.
	When Iran is finally free, and that moment will come a lot sooner than people think, everything will be different.
	Our two ancient peoples, the Jewish people and the Persian people, will finally be at peace.
	I think it's very telling that in that recent statement, video statement from the Prime Minister of Israel, he didn't talk about the Iranian people, but the people of Persia, and separated them from their bloody theocratic regime.
	As we are broadcasting live, I'm watching footage from Tel Aviv, rocket attacks from Iran onto our best, best partner in the Middle East.
	What about the future?
	What are the geopolitical ramifications of the events of the last few days?
	No one better to discuss that with than the author, most recently, of The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, our good friend, fan favorite, Lord Conrad Black.
	Greetings.
	Greetings to you, Sebastian.
	Conor, we're going to discuss domestic events in our next segment, your expectations for the vice-presidential debate this evening between Tim Walz and JD Vance, but you have a perfectly timed article, one of your lengthiest pieces for the New York Sun, on hypocrisy in the Middle East.
	Before you discuss the various hypocrisies of Qatar, of Egypt, of the Biden administration, the United Nations, I'd like you to just drill down for a moment on the choice of language by the Prime Minister.
	I don't know about you, I'm sure you have the similar habit.
	I talk to cab drivers, I talk to Uber drivers, and around DC they quite often can be from the Middle East.
	But none of them, if they're from Iran, when I asked them where are they from, none of them say they're Iranian.
	They all say, I'm Persian.
	How telling is it that Bibi spoke to the people of Persia and not Iran in that statement?
	Well, I think it is indicative of his knowledge of the history of the region.
	The Persian Empire was actually in its time, the time of Cyrus and Darius and Xerxes, relatively well disposed to the Jews.
	And while it occupied what is now Israel, it generally left the Jews alone, unlike what the Assyrians and the Babylonians had done, for example.
	And of course, the Shah of Iran was very friendly with Israel.
	And the Persians are the historic enemies of the Arabs.
	And so I think that Bibi Netanyahu was somewhat invoking a traditional relationship, not hostility to the Arabs, but the fact that historically Israel got on well with the Persians as it did with the Turks, including when Turkey occupied Israel.
	You know, it's such an ancient region that everybody has been allied with and opposed to everybody else at different times.
	But I think he is indicating that it is now time for a turn, and it is unnatural for Persia or Iran, as it now calls itself, to be so hostile to Israel, since it never was even when it occupied Israel.
	And so I think he's kind of opening the door to a suggestion that another sort of reorientation may be imminent in the Middle East.
	And I think he's right.
	I mean, it seems to me that the Iranians are taking a terrible chance.
	I understand they've attacked Israel again.
	My understanding also is that it hasn't been very successful.
	The fact that they've done it does invite, as Israel and its prime minister have suggested would happen, a retaliation.
	And the fact is, Iran is a sitting duck for Israel.
	It has no air force.
	It has some anti-aircraft defenses.
	But its army is used entirely to suppress the domestic population.
	There's no ability to go anywhere else.
	And Iran's strength lies in its nuclear program, which isn't complete yet, and its sponsorship of these terrorist proxies.
	And so it is vulnerable to retaliation by Israel, and it seems to me that that might well happen any time.
	I mean, Israel has demonstrated that it is not prepared to go on indefinitely with things as they have been.
	Where these terrorist enterprises torment and provoke them, and the rest of the world pretends that they are just routine border skirmishing and make these unctuous calls for ceasefires, as if anyone other than Israel's enemies had broken the ceasefire in the first place.
	And I suspect that we may be on the verge of an Israeli counterstrike against Iran that That will be quite damaging.
	And, well, I'm no authority on how that state now functions.
	I cannot believe that the prestige of the government there is such that it could easily withstand a successful assault from Israel.
	It is clearly not a popular or successful government.
	The latest news out of the region, two attackers opened fire at a train station in Jaffa.
	So there's conventional attacks occurring and irregular attacks as well.
	Joe Biden has convened the National Security Council and Iranian missiles have been intercepted in the airspace over Jordan.
	Not just Israel, but Jordan as well.
	If there is to be any resolution for that benighted region, Lord Black, We have to deal with the hypocrisy of various actors.
	Could you outline some of those historic hypocrisies from your latest piece and what they actually cover?
	Yeah, well, Egypt, for example, knows perfectly well that there's been massive smuggling of arms and weapons and ammunition and all the sinews of war through the so-called Philadelphia Line, which they are mandated by the world to monitor and ensure is not used in that way.
	And there is no doubt that Egypt and Egyptian officials are regularly and handsomely bribed to just turn a blind eye while the massive armaments of Hamas are smuggled into Gaza.
	And they try and make up for it by pretending to be conducting A mediation between Israel and Gaza, but it's just hypocrisy.
	I mean, the Egyptians don't like the Palestinians and they don't like Hamas, but they're not prepared to do what they're supposed to be doing, which is ensuring that it's a demilitarized area.
	The Qataris masquerade as peacemakers, but they give a lot of money to Hamas.
	They give shelter to the Hamas leaders.
	And their television network, Al Jazeera, is just a propaganda organ for Hamas.
	That's all hypocrisy.
	If we get into the Western countries, all of these proposals, the Biden administration proposal for a ceasefire includes Israel abandoning the Philadelphia line again so it can go back to being an open conduit For massive amounts of arms flowing into Gaza to be used against Israel, and it includes a complete departure from Gaza by Israel.
	In other words, just we'll go back to the way things were before, and Hamas can conduct warfare against Israel, and it feels like it.
	I have to say, Israel is itself not completely free of this charge of hypocrisy, and I myself am a little
	Well, quite disappointed, really, that the Netanyahu regime was funneling money—and in different ways, including admitting 20,000 Gazans to work every day in Israel—funneling money into Hamas to prop them up opposite the Palestinian Authority and the West Bank, because Netanyahu didn't want any talk of a second state, a two-state solution for a long time.
	And I don't think Israel should have had anything to do with enriching Hamas.
	I understand their motives weren't bad, but I think it is something that is so odious in itself and so counterproductive given the outrages that Hamas has visited on Israel.
	Hold there for a second.
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	dot com tee up Vance and then do you have any b-roll of Vance We have, yeah, both.
	Good.
	You said PhD at the top here?
	Yes.
	Okay, I need a title for Dinesh.
	The Sublime Courage of President Trump.
	How did The Sun react to that longer geopolitical piece?
	No, they were happy with it.
	Because it is one of your longer pieces, right?
	Yes, it's like one tooth, yeah, a little bit longer than average.
	It is, but I mean, it's sort of a complicated subject.
	To say the least.
	To say the least.
	Well, from what we hear, the Iranian attack on Israel today hasn't succeeded, has it?
	No, no, no.
	Multiple interceptions.
	I think something landed in, you know, empty territory.
	But, I mean, as you said, Iran is a sitting duck technologically.
	And they're very good at proxy wars.
	They're very good at using others to fight irregular warfare.
	But in conventional terms, they're a paper tiger.
	And, you know, they really have Obama and Biden to thank for the fact that they have any capability in this area at all.
	Correct.
	I mean, Trump had pretty well strangled the regime.
	If we'd had a second administration after 20, within 12 months, the regime would have collapsed economically.
	Yeah, but I think we're about to get our second administration and I think it will collapse.
	I mean, if Israel doesn't bring it down, then it's up to us.
	I mean, I appear to be almost the only person who ever notices the fact that Netanyahu said in his address to the Congress a couple of months ago, Israel would not tolerate a nuclear, military nuclear Iran.
	Correct.
	And President Trump said it in his debate with Harris a few weeks ago.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	So, you know, every, the whole world is waiting for this election.
	Yep.
	The red lines that in this case, unlike Obama, actually matter.
	Yeah.
	You see, I think a lot of people who comment on this forget Israel isn't fighting Egypt and Syria and Jordan anymore.
	I mean, those countries did have real armies.
	So you'd go out and have to fight your way through their armies.
	But we're dealing with just terrorists now.
	It's like guerrilla warfare.
	They're phantoms.
	They strike and retreat and fire destructive weapons indiscriminately at civilian populations.
	But it's just gangsterism.
	It's not war.
	Yep. - Yeah.
	And they would like to return, all of those states would like to return to the period of the Abraham Accords.
	Yeah, well, I suspect some of them would like to return to the era when the British and the French were governing most of the area.
	Trump just talked about Israel-Iran.
	Do you want to cut?
	Yeah, yeah, please.
	Very good.
	Alright, Ph.D.
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	Much was made in the mainstream lying legacy media about J.D.
	Vance and his comments about the political elite.
	When did he make those comments?
	Well, he first made them on this show when he wasn't even a senator yet.
	Here's a reminder.
	What I find so disturbing about this is if you think about the modern Democrat Party, not the older guys, the Clintons, the Bernie Sanders, the Joe Bidens, but think about Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC, all of these people.
	It's like a party where the next generation of leaders, none of them have kids, right?
	And look, I understand some people don't have kids.
	There are health reasons.
	There are other reasons people don't have kids.
	The entire Democrat Party is like this childless cabal of people who don't really care about the future.
	It's not just the Democrats.
	There was a time, not so long ago, where four of the leaders, the heads of state in Europe, were childless women.
	That certainly flavors or influences your vision of the future, but you're not allowed to say things like that!
	Let's return to our guest, Lord Black.
	He is the author, most recently, of the seminal work, The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, From Antiquity to the Seasons 14, Anno Domini, and co-host of the podcast, along with Victor Davis Hanson and Will Bennett, scholars in sense.
	Lord Black, I will admit, Mayor Culper, I was dissatisfied with the results of the way the last debate went between Harris and President Trump.
	I think I was wrong, because if you look at the polling figures, especially with the undecideds, the Reuters polling, the focus groups, the people in the middle didn't Look, I don't know much about Walsh.
	and especially were impressed with President Trump's closing statements.
	So maybe I was wrong about that debate.
	What are your expectations tonight?
	Will the needle maybe move in any direction?
	Look, I don't know much about Walsh.
	I know that I don't like him politically, but I have not seen that much of him.
	So I'm not really able to judge his forensic talents.
	But J.D., Vance, I disagree with him on Ukraine, and I don't share his wild affection for organized labor.
	But I mean, I'm not talking about the workers, I'm talking about the union leadership.
	Yes.
	But he's a very articulate man.
	And I don't know why Walsh takes off on the heresy of him having gone to Yale.
	He's an educated, experienced man.
	He has real instead of phony invented combat experience.
	And I think he will be a very powerful tribune for the Republican message.
	And I've always found Walls a ludicrous man from the little I've seen of him.
	And his answer to the border and the idea of extending the wall was, well, he wanted to buy shares in companies that made 30 foot ladders, as if millions of people were going to come charging up to the US border With 30-foot ladders and climb up them.
	I mean, it's that sort of awful, glib, shoot-from-the-hip nonsense we're used to from the Democratic left.
	I mean, large-D Democratic left.
	And I think it'll be a mismatch.
	I mean, I think Vance is a very articulate man and a very capable debater.
	And I would be surprised if he didn't really seriously put Walz on his back foot and And, you know, pin him back, trying to defend the record of this administration, including the presidential candidate this year.
	And so I think it will go well for the republicans.
	I think it's a mismatch.
	You've written several works of presidential history.
	Is it a conventional wisdom?
	Should we be worried?
	It is October the 1st.
	Is there going to be an October surprise, or is that just a canard?
	I think there will be one if they can pull one out, you know, and we've seen them in the past.
	LBJ's attempt to pretend that he was on the brink of a peace agreement over Vietnam, which was complete fraud.
	He was not.
	But it was a different situation.
	He was a substantial president, and his candidate, Hubert Umpire, was a very substantial man.
	And in that terrible year of 1968, at one time or another, We had Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and Nelson Rockefeller all running for president, and they were serious people.
	Here, I don't doubt that this administration will try and pull something out, but they tried everything.
	I mean, they tried these spurious indictments.
	They tried the nonsense that Meg is dangerous, but now Harris is moving her policy closer to Trump.
	They tried the piece of threat to democracy, Those who have an opinion of it that's at all informed realize that's more their problem than his.
	And she tried briefly.
	I'm a prosecutor.
	He's a felon.
	All I've got left is what they did last time, the ballot harvesting and unverified ballots.
	But it's not going to be so easy this time.
	The rules have been tightened up in some states.
	The Republicans are far more aware of the problem and far more vigilant about it.
	And, you know, you don't have Zuckerberg's Dropboxes where you can just pile in by helicopter hundreds of thousands of votes after the polls are officially closed, completely unverified.
	So, I mean, I think the condition of the Democrats is quite dire.
	I don't, by the way, by the line that it's that close an election.
	The only polls that aren't conducted by left-wing universities or media outlets Show Trump actually leading in the country.
	And since the Democrats take California and New York by five million votes more than the Republicans carry Texas, Tennessee and Florida, the two groups are about equal in electoral votes.
	That means if Trump's leading by two points in the other 45 states, he's leading by eight million votes.
	Now, they're not going to be tighter in the swing states, but As of now, it's his race.
	I mean, he's leading and he's going to win unless something changes.
	This isn't such a brilliant administration with such a bag of tricks to work from that they can pull that much out of the hat at this stage, in my opinion.
	Let it be so.
	Let it be so.
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	As we promised, President Trump has just commented on the situation, the escalating situation in the Middle East, the war between... I can't believe I'm saying this... The war between Iran and Israel.
	And this is what he had to say.
	Iran was on the verge of bankruptcy.
	They had no money left.
	They had no money for Hamas.
	They had no money for Hezbollah, the people they're fighting now.
	They would have been willing to make any deal.
	You could have made any deal, but Kamala flooded them with American cash.
	And even now, I mean, they're flooding them with cash.
	Honestly, it's not even believable.
	It's like men in women's sports.
	It's not believable.
	It's like open borders.
	Why would they want an open border?
	You know, it's so stupid.
	We're the party of common sense, by the way.
	I like to say it all.
	Forget conservative.
	Yes.
	But you know, we're the party of common sense because it's really more common sense than anything else.
	That is perhaps One of the most important cuts we've played in the last year.
	Please save it, Eric.
	I think we're going to play it every day for the next 32 days.
	Because it summarizes everything.
	For four years we had no wars.
	No new wars for four years.
	When I was asked in the White House, what's the President's vision?
	What is the national security stance of the Trump administration?
	And I'd just come from two and a half years teaching at Quantico, and I stole the Marine motto to describe America under President Trump.
	No better friend, no worse enemy.
	If you're a good guy, if you're our friend, we're going to help you.
	You're going to feel safe.
	If you're Israel, if you're the UK, if you're Japan, if you're Australia, rest assured, we've got your back.
	If you are an evil son of a gun, if you're a murderer, if you're a dictator, if you threaten our interests anywhere, we will come down on you like the hammers of hell.
	Just ask, oh, I don't know, the head of ISIS.
	Al-Baghdadi.
	Just ask the murderous dictator in Syria about that Air Force base where he was prepping chemical weapons that we turned into a sheet of glass when we were in the White House.
	No better friend.
	No worse enemy.
	But it's not just about what's happening globally.
	I mean, what did the President just say there?
	It is impossible to believe That we have an administration that is giving billions of dollars to a country that wants to destroy us.
	Proudest moment of mine in the White House, standing next to the Resolute Desk, next to Steve Bannon, telling the whole cabinet, President Trump needs to kill the Obama-Iran deal.
	And that's what he did.
	He knew what he had to do, but we got to tell the cabinet why they were all so wrong.
	But it's not just about that.
	How can you believe that a man can compete with women in sports and that's right, that's fair, that's logical?
	Are you insane?
	Or how can you, as a party, okay, some faculty lounge loony in Cambridge, Mass., can say it, but how can one of the two parties in America say, no, we don't need borders.
	You can literally let in 20 million illegals, thousands of whom, tens of thousands of whom, hundreds of thousands of whom are criminals.
	The data from the Department of Homeland Security last week, Thousands and thousands of convicted murderers knowingly let into the country.
	Rapists!
	Robbers!
	President Trump told you!
	What have I been saying for five years on this show?
	Forget the labels Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal.
	The President just said it!
	It's not Conservatives!
	It's people with common sense who aren't bloody insane!
	The other party is a party of lunatics!
	People who hate America and are thus taking actions that are destroying America.
	Don't listen to me.
	Ask the family of Jocelyn Nguyen, 12 years old, raped and murdered.
	Rachel Moran, mother of five, raped and murdered.
	Lincoln Riley, 22 year old, beautiful nursing student, raped and murdered.
	All by illegals let into this country by Kamala Harris.
	Are we serious or not about saving this country?
	Are you serious or not?
	The lunatics must be stopped.
	President Trump is so courageous.
	He's going back to Butler, Pennsylvania this weekend where he was shot.
	I'm going to be there to show him I stand with him.
	What are you doing about it?
	Have you gone to TrumpForce47.com?
	If you haven't, you don't give a flying fig about America.
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	You're actually funding the other side.
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	Yeah.
	What do you want to call it?
	Something like at the very end you said, like, the freaks must be stopped or something like that.
	Amen.
	Yeah, the lunatics must be stopped.
	President Trump... No, just the lunatics must be stopped.
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	Line one.
	Dave!
	Dr. Gorka.
	Got me fired up.
	Trump Force 47.
	Dittos from Arizona.
	We're gonna drop off golden tickets tonight, sir.
	We're gonna go door-to-door.
	Look, for people who don't understand, it really is simple, okay?
	Trump Force 47 gives you the name and address and the phone numbers of 10 people close to where you live who are Republicans and who need a little bit of a nudge because they're not as actively engaged politically as you are.
	And your phone call, your email, your knocking on their door, whichever you're comfortable with, could make the difference.
	And the other thing that's crucial, Dave, and just indulge me here, everyone out there listening votes early.
	You make a huge, huge dent in the party and the campaign's ability to focus on those who are weaker votes.
	Your vote is banked.
	They are told that.
	You voted, Dave!
	Okay, we don't have to try and chase his vote anymore.
	They can focus money and time on the weaker conservatives, what are called the soft voters.
	So everybody, Vote early to save the time and money of the Trump campaign and volunteer.
	Become a captain in TrumpForce47.com so that you are part of the victory.
	TrumpForce47.com.
	Sorry Dave, I know you wanted to talk about something else.
	Well, I wanted to talk about the movie review.
	Jesse and I got to go see it last week, but this all ties in.
	So Jesse and I have 300 golden tickets.
	We're not knocking on 10 doors.
	We're going to knock on 300 doors of people that are what we say they're usually one fours or two fours of the last two primaries and two General elections, they've participated in one or two of them.
	The four fours, we skip.
	You're right.
	We don't need to talk to them because they're going to turn out.
	So we go to the low information voters, the low participants.
	It's not low information voters.
	The technical phrase is soft voters or low propensity.
	Well, I think if they were higher information, they'd be participating every time.
	But low information voters has a little hint of, it's pejorative, it's a criticism.
	We want these people on Team Trump.
	We want them to vote.
	So let's stick with low propensity or soft voters, Dave.
	Very good.
	We'll go with that terminology.
	So this tied in.
	This was one of the last texts that I sent to Adam O'Bannon before he went away as a political prisoner.
	And you fired me up with righteous indignation.
	All hat tips to Andrew Breitbart, the master.
	So it's time to activate.
	We are duty-bound to our oath to stand in the gap for those that can't or won't.
	And it ties into the movie, Vindicating Trump, because when you see it, you want to rewind this part a couple times where Dinesh is interviewing Laura, is the co-chair.
	I think that she doesn't know yet.
	She's probably getting up to speed.
	But what broke in Arizona last week that there were 98,000 voters that had not verified their citizenship, today, five hours ago, that number has grown from 98,000 to 218,000.
	98,000 to 218,000.
	So that tells me the real number is 500,000.
	So it's not that we have illegals voting.
	We have illegals registering to vote through Motor Voter and through social services.
	So it's going to take all of us to do as you said, join Trump Force 47 and get those low-participating, soft-participating Republicans to turn out.
	Because we know 70% of this country has conservative values like you and I do, sir.
	We just need to make sure they get to the polls.
	Bingo.
	Stand the line, Dave.
	Jeff, would you send Dave two of our yard signs with the President's booking photograph, just to make sure that he can help others be catalysts.
	That's at sevgorkestore.com for your Trump yard signs.
	gets a couple for free because he understands what it means that on November the 5th we get a chance to save the republic.
	God bless you, Dave, and thank you.
	I'm going to watch the movie tonight.
	I'm super excited.
	Ken in Pensacola, line two.
	Good afternoon, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	I was calling about the strike going on.
	The Longshoremen.
	We haven't even had a chance to discuss it.
	The East Coast Longshoremen.
	Like 45,000 Longshoremen on strike.
	And you've got a peculiar take, Ken.
	What's your take?
	Well, I think, considering what happened with Helene just now, all the damage is gone.
	All the construction is going to have to go on.
	The food that people are going to need that the Republican governors in the states that are affected by this strike should declare a state of emergency.
	Tell them they have to come back to work.
	And if they don't, fire them and bring the National Guard in to run the ports.
	So you want to help Biden?
	I want to go Ronald Reagan on these guys.
	Yeah, but Ronald Reagan was the conservative president.
	We don't have a conservative president in the White House.
	Well, I don't want the president to do it.
	I want the governors of the states to do it.
	Right, but the governors can't fire the longshoremen and nobody can because they don't work for the government.
	Only the companies can.
	I mean, the thing about Ronald Reagan and the air traffic controllers is the air traffic controllers worked for the government and they wanted to go on strike and risk air transport across America.
	That's why President Reagan fired them.
	This is different.
	This is private sector.
	The longshoremen don't work for the government.
	No, they work for the city.
	The city that I'm in, the city of Pensacola, owns the port.
	Yeah, but are you saying that everywhere along Shoreman works, they work for the government?
	For the local government?
	Government, but yes.
	No, that's not true.
	In some ports they might.
	In other places they work for the local shipping companies and for the dock companies.
	Well, you're confusing apples and oranges, my friend.
	And right now, the longshoremen are a problem for the Biden administration.
	I think the states, you're right, should declare emergency if they haven't done already.
	But the idea that the longshoremen are connected to what's happening with those benighted states, let me ponder that one.
	Thank you, Ken.
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	Mr. Sheehy?
	Well, Senator Tester knows all about backroom meetings.
	He's been taking them for 20 years as the number one recipient of lobbyist cash.
	The number one recipient of lobbyist cash in the whole country.
	Of all candidates, number one.
	So if you want to talk about backroom meetings while I was fighting in Afghanistan, he was eating lobbyist steak in D.C.
	That's pretty good.
	Mr. Sheehy, what was that?
	That was the debate from last night.
	With John Tester against who?
	Sheehy in Montana, where they have a Democrat senator, which I still can't believe.
	I know, but that's a great line, while you were eating lobbyist steak.
	Superb, superb.
	We might have to get that guy on the show.
	Let's go to Pete, Columbus, Ohio.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	It's an honor to talk to you.
	Very kind.
	What do you want to talk about?
	Well, I wanted to have some righteous indignation shown towards John Kerry.
	I feel like he's at the Absolutely.
	Did you see what he just said at the World Economic Forum?
	Iran deal that he was a major part of.
	Absolutely.
	Did you see what he just said at the World Economic Forum?
	I did.
	And he's saying that the First Amendment is a roadblock to them getting their way.
	And that really set me off when I saw that yesterday.
	He said the problem is the First Amendment.
	I screamed at the television.
	The First Amendment is the greatest thing in modern civilization to ever happen to government.
	Closely followed by the Second Amendment, Pete, right?
	Absolutely.
	And I just feel like in these waning months of the Biden administration, we all need to write our congressmen and senators and try to run this guy out of town.
	I think he's super dangerous.
	He's also an idiot, though.
	I mean, that comment is from somebody who has double digit brain cells.
	But I think John Kerry cannot be our focus, Pete.
	We've got 32 days left.
	I couldn't care less about John Kerry.
	We need to win it for President Trump right now.
	So we'll deal with Kerry and his like when we get to fire all of them if we, God willing, re-elect President Trump.
	So thank you, Pete.
	I'm going to play that cut tomorrow of John Kerry's.
	I forgot to get it on the list today.
	But in the meantime, every single one of you, I'm imploring you, okay?
	My blood pressure has, you know, diminished.
	I'm back to normalcy.
	Every single one of you, please, if it matters to you, if your future matters to you, You have to be a captain.
	Right now.
	And the easiest thing.
	They're not going to ask you to do a lot of work.
	Just to be a catalyst.
	To get people around you who are conservatives to vote and to vote early.
	Otherwise we don't win.
	TrumpForce47.com I need you to go today.
	I'm not going to cost you any money, and it's a minimal amount of time, but you could save the Republic with the President.
	Will you do that for us?
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	Okay, guys.
	How did we get here?
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	What do we do about woke churches?
	That's next here on America First.
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	our platform on our streaming platform at SalemNow.com.
	And the man behind both is the one and only Eric Metaxas.
	Welcome back, Eric.
	It's been a while.
	It's an encouragement every time I see you or hear from you, my friend.
	Thank you.
	All right, so let's start by setting the scene for why this book had to be written and why it's been turned into a film.
	And I'll start from my personal context.
	As you know, I'm an immigrant to this nation, a legal immigrant to America.
	And for me, one of the attributes of the American spirit, which really goes back to our founding, the founding fathers, the war against the greatest empire the world had ever seen, and then the spirit of the pioneers, the colonialists, go forth a young man, is courage, is fortitude.
	And I have been greatly disturbed by what I see as a diminution of that virtue, especially during the COVID years, and especially when it comes to our church communities and especially when it comes to our church communities and our church leaders.
	Yes.
	You're not supposed to do this as a Catholic.
	I'm a cradle Catholic.
	You're not supposed to church shop.
	The system is meant to be you go to the church nearest to you in your diocese.
	And I'm a bad Catholic because I don't do that anymore.
	Because I've kind of had it with my priest in 2024.
	Still making announcements at the beginning of the Mass, Eric, saying, if you feel unsafe to come to the communion rail, I will come outside the church later and give you the Eucharist.
	And I'm thinking, Excuse me?
	What?
	What are you talking about, Ray?
	Yeah, and that there's a section of the church that is for those with masks.
	Eric, what is the motivation for you that you wrote this letter to the church?
	Is it what you saw under COVID?
	Why did you think, you know, Eric has to write to the American church?
	Well, I'll tell you, honestly, I say this very, very soberly and humbly.
	I've written 15 books, and I always feel God is with me and guides me to write what I write in a general sense, but I mean that.
	But I have never, ever felt what I felt with this book.
	I say this, I know some people may wonder if I'm crazy.
	I felt God called me to write this book.
	I felt a burning passion to say what I say in this book.
	And what I'm actually saying, Sebastian, is it's not my letter to the American church.
	I believe this is what God wants to say to the American church.
	And I've had many people who've read it say that.
	Because, God forbid, I would just give my opinion of what I think needs saying.
	Ultimately, let me just frame it.
	In 2010, I came out with a book on the great Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
	It was a biography.
	It was my longest book, 600 pages.
	And that book, in a nutshell, tells the story of a German pastor trying to wake up the German church, trying to say to the church, Church, it is your duty to stand against evil.
	And the story of Bonhoeffer is a story of this prophetic voice, like many prophetic voices in the Old Testament, falling on deaf ears.
	Most German Christians, you know, like the pastors of many churches in America today, said, oh, we don't want to be political.
	Oh, we don't want to color outside the lines.
	We just want to stay in our little theological box.
	God Almighty was calling them to stand against the satanic evil of the Nazis.
	And they said, no, no, we think we have a religious objection.
	We're just going to do church.
	We're just going to stick to the theological stuff.
	Well, of course, ironically, if you stick to theological stuff, it's going to lead you to fight against evil.
	But they said, we're going to take a pass.
	And the story of what happened because of the negligence of the church in Germany, they weren't all openly wicked.
	Many of them were just foolish, fearful, confused.
	They said, we're not going to stand against the satanic evil of the Nazis.
	We're just going to let it go.
	We were assuming that it will just pass.
	We're going to do church.
	And in the course of COVID, in the course of a stolen election, I looked around at the church in America and I said, the same thing Precisely is happening here in America.
	There are many Christians and many Christian leaders and pastors and priests who are saying, you know what, that's not our job.
	We're going to stay in our lane.
	We're just going to do church.
	We're not going to comment on the evil.
	Now, the evil has manifested itself in a number of ways, and we can talk about that.
	But they basically said, We don't want to stick our necks out.
	We don't want to get in any trouble.
	We don't want the FBI knocking on our doors or we don't, you know, want to lose our jobs.
	We're just going to do what we're told to do, whatever the government says, whatever the powers that be say.
	That, to my mind, is exactly what led to the satanic evil of the Nazis triumphing.
	If the church had stood in Germany in the 30s, that would have not happened.
	The Nazis would have been defeated internally because the church had the strength to do it.
	I saw the precise thing happening in America.
	And, Sebastian, I do not exaggerate.
	I felt a burning.
	I have to write this book.
	So, Letter to the American Church is the shortest book I ever wrote.
	It's been a bestseller.
	Lots and lots of people are saying, I'm giving it to every pastor I know to wake them up so they'll speak about this stuff.
	And, of course, it was turned into a film with the same title.
	People can go to the website lettertotheamericanchurch.com because I feel everything is at stake.
	Just as Germany fell to evil, we in America are now in an existential crisis.
	If the church does not speak, if Christians do not speak, it is over.
	And I know that you know exactly what I'm talking about.
	Yeah, so I'm going to ask you why what you describe happened.
	But first, before we do that, the website is lettertotheamericanchurch.com and you can watch the new movie based on Eric's book right now at salemnow.com.
	So it is streaming, it is available, salemnow.com, Letter to the American Church.
	I'm sure you're familiar with her.
	You've probably interviewed her recently, as I have, over her new book, Shepherds for Sale.
	Megan Basham's amazing, amazing.
	Look inside another one of our denominations.
	And it's a bestseller.
	I'm looking at it now.
	981 reviews on Amazon.
	It's got four and a half stars out of five.
	And it's a horrific telling.
	Of what's happened to the evangelical church in America.
	Yeah.
	And she goes through chapter and verse how they outwoke their left wing, they're promoting, you know, Greta Thunberg levels of environmental paganism, CRT, racist ideologies, you name it.
	And I pushed her.
	To tell me why.
	Why are they doing this?
	Because, you know, there's many reasons.
	You know, there's possible reasons.
	Lack of fortitude, courage, fear, what have you.
	And at the end of the day, Eric, and I'd like you to tell me what you see as if there is a root cause for the weakening of our faith.
	She said it's about money.
	It's about the big left-wing foundations promising money to these denominations, and they are diluting their principles, going against their principles for filthy lucre, Eric.
	It's never that simple.
	Money is often involved, but most of the people doing this would never simply do something for money.
	The money helps them to feel better about what they're doing.
	What they're doing often is they're going along with the crowd.
	So sometimes money can push you to go along with the crowd a little more.
	You need a little incentive to go with the crowd.
	It's fascinating to me because the parallels, as I mentioned, I wrote a book on Bonhoeffer.
	What's fascinating is it's everything.
	In other words, the devil will use whatever he needs to use, a little of this, a little of that, a lot of this, whatever he needs to use to get people to go with the program.
	And in Germany, it's the same thing.
	You had some genuinely wicked people But you had many people that were just a little bit fearful.
	You had other people who were not inclined to be brave, publicly brave, happy just to continue to do church.
	So you have this smorgasbord of reasons.
	What the left does, of course, is they use whatever they have, money and influence and the bully pulpits that they have, threats.
	Whatever it is.
	So her book, Shepherds for Sale, it really could be the companion to the two books that I've written, the letter to the American church and the sequel called Religionless Christianity.
	She does the journalistic job of giving you the details.
	I give you the philosophical and theological overview to explain why this is wrong and then the historical overview to explain how it happened in Germany because We can't say who knows.
	We know.
	What happened in Germany, it is exactly the same thing.
	It's astonishing.
	We'll talk about Bonhoeffer's example as the counterexample in a moment.
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	This is A Letter to the American Church.
	I'm convinced That the American church has arrived at a significant moment of truth.
	We are only 75, 80 years removed from three separate regimes that killed 60 to 70 million people intentionally.
	The parallels with where the American church is now to where the German church stood in the face of the Nazi regime are unavoidable and grim.
	All right, so you feel inspired to write the original book, Noam.
	Now it's the movie.
	It's at SalemNow.com.
	Give us a little diagnosis.
	Give us the snapshot of what the problem is to begin with before we talk about what has to happen, Eric.
	Well, as I say, the shock to me, Sebastian, and it is shocking, is the parallels to what happened in Germany are stunning.
	They're stunning.
	I mean, it's exactly the same thing.
	And most people would think, oh, Nazi Germany, that's an outlier.
	How can you possibly ever speak of Hitler or the Nazis?
	I mean, well, the point is, Germany was a Christian civilized nation.
	In 1933, when this began, when Hitler came into power, no one, No one dreamt it would go where it went.
	No one dreamt in 33 or 34 that they would be talking in 42 about murdering millions of Jews systematically.
	Nobody could see this.
	Bonhoeffer and a handful of others could, however, see a little bit of it.
	And they said, if the church does not stand now, Immediately.
	We have a window of opportunity.
	The Nazis, just like Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, when they have power, they will use it dramatically to crush dissent, to silence the opposition, to make it possible that you cannot fight back.
	Bonhoeffer was trying to warn the church and trying to say, you, church, have the ability in this culture, you have the cultural strength in this nation to stand.
	And almost all of the pastors, not all, but most of them said, we'll take a pass.
	We don't see quite what you see.
	And as about 18 months, 24 months passed from when Hitler took over, the Nazis were able, because the church was not active and standing and fighting, they were able to get enough power, enough power, enough power that suddenly, boom!
	They were able to silence any dissent, silence the church.
	If you woke up as a pastor in 1937, guess what?
	Too late.
	It's too late.
	So, the parallels are also in the excuses given.
	The excuses that the German pastors gave, they said, Romans 13, it's very clear, we're supposed to obey the government.
	On and on and on and on.
	They got it all wrong, but they thought they got it right.
	And I think they thought, and you'll get this better than most, they thought they could be neutral.
	They thought they could say, well, you know what?
	It's not our fight.
	We're going to be neutral.
	We're just going to do church.
	I say that they sat on the fence.
	They thought we're going to sit on the fence.
	And what I say over and over is the devil owns the fence.
	If you are neutral when evil is fighting against another group of people, if you don't stand with those who are fighting against evil, you're working for evil.
	And so that's what happened in Germany.
	And the parallels to today, I said, it's so astonishing.
	I've got to speak up because, Sebastian, let's cut to the chase.
	Christians don't vote.
	If Christians don't get in the fight.
	If churches are not understanding this is our fundamental duty to fight evil.
	We love our neighbors by advocating politically in every other sphere.
	If the church doesn't do that, even a little bit, just says, well, we're just going to take a pass.
	We're going to hang back.
	We don't want to major on politics.
	That opens the door to satanic evil.
	But it happened in Germany.
	And again, because I'm German, I know all of the people who went along with this, they weren't evil.
	They were just foolish.
	They were just slow.
	There was a little bit of cowardice, a little bit of this, a little bit of that.
	And so you have the same thing happening in the American church.
	And you have had many, many American church leaders, I can name many of them, who basically had this idea, same idea as the German Christians did, This is not our job.
	Our job is to quote-unquote preach the gospel.
	Our job is just to do church on Sunday, to be evangelistic.
	Well, I'm here to say that's nonsense.
	If you know the scripture, if you know history, you know that God calls his people to stand More bravely than anyone against evil, to be fearless against evil.
	We see many non-Christians being brave against evil.
	Shame on those who call themselves Christians because we have no excuse.
	And so I wrote this as a warning because I thought if we in the American church don't Very quickly, stand up boldly against the evil that we're seeing everywhere.
	The same thing is going to happen.
	And guess what?
	It is happening.
	It's happening right now.
	And the madness we see every single day, the brazen nature of the lies from Kamala Harris and before her, from Joe Biden, We've never seen brazen lies like this.
	We've seen lies.
	We've heard lies.
	But there's a brazenness.
	There's an evil.
	There's an authoritarianism.
	And, of course, what do they do?
	They accuse the other side of authoritarianism, which is preposterous nonsense.
	But don't you think that Hitler accused the communists or whoever he made up?
	You know, today that people say, oh, it's Christian nationalists.
	It's the it's the MAGA people.
	Hitler had his people that he he made them sound very threatening.
	Who was threatening?
	Hitler and the Nazis were threatening, but he made the other side sound threatening.
	So we're living through something dramatically similar.
	And I think you and I both know, and a lot of your listeners know, that we have a couple of months.
	If we do not win this election, we will not get to fight another day and another day and another day.
	We have a long fight.
	We're in a war, an existential war for Uh, for the soul of America.
	But if we don't win this election, we won't even get to fight come 2025.
	So it's that dramatic, which is why I sound as passionate as I am, because I think there are many that are still asleep, and it staggers me that that could be possible, but it's true.
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	We're talking about your new movie, A Letter to the American Church, which everyone can see today at salemnow.com.
	But you've mentioned twice already in this hour the saintly figure of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
	Your most important book is probably Bonhoeffer.
	Would you tell us a little bit more about this man's story, an individual whose name is probably unfamiliar to tens of millions of Americans?
	Who is this person?
	What did he do during World War II?
	And what was his fate, Eric?
	Well, thanks for asking.
	I should mention that at the end of November, a film is coming out of the story of Bonhoeffer.
	I've seen the film.
	It is fantastic.
	His story is amazing, Sebastian.
	When I wrote the book, it came out in 2010.
	First of all, I have to say, Bonhoeffer had often been held up as a kind of liberal icon.
	The liberals and the agnostics seemed to love Bonhoeffer.
	Once I saw Christopher Hitchens on Charlie Rose, and Charlie Rose said something to him about, well, Bonhoeffer was a Christian, what about him?
	And he goes, no, no, no, he was not a Christian, he was a humanist.
	There was this idea out there before my book that Bonhoeffer, at the end of his life, had kind of skidded off into some kind of theological agnosticism, some kind of ethical humanism.
	Well, when I wrote the book, and again, because my mother grew up, you know, I'm in my mother's house right now in Connecticut.
	She grew up in Nazi Germany.
	My family lived through this.
	And I was fascinated with Bonhoeffer.
	And I said, I'm going to write this book.
	And as I was writing the book, I was astonished to realize—I feel kind of foolish saying it now—the left had misportrayed him.
	He was not a liberal agnostic.
	He was none of those things.
	And the more I looked into his story, the more I thought, this is an absolutely heroic Christian who stood valiantly in the face of evil in a way that almost no one did at the time.
	And so I wrote my book about him.
	He was killed by the Nazis in 1945, but the bottom line is that He saw what most Christians at the time refused to see, and like a prophetic voice was trying to wake up the Christians and to say, Church, this is your job.
	It is your job to stand, to behave like a Christian, not to say, I am a Christian, I believe, I have faith, to live out your faith.
	Bonhoeffer always called it faith in action.
	He said, if you don't put your faith in action, guess what?
	Probably you don't have any faith.
	You're kidding yourself.
	But you're not fooling God and you're not fooling the devil who is thrilled at your inaction, at your faith which is locked inside your head and you're not living it out.
	So Bonhoeffer was a heroic figure because he was a towering theological intellect, but he also translated that faith into action.
	And so he was eventually involved in the plot to kill Hitler.
	It really is fascinating because you have so many people then and so many people today who would say, well, a man of God involved in a plot to kill someone.
	Oh, that doesn't sound very nice.
	And you think what nonsense.
	I mean, if it's OK for cops to carry guns and for us to have a military, they're not there to murder people.
	They're there to do good, right, to protect the innocent.
	And Bonhoeffer was eventually persuaded that the only way to protect the innocent was to take out Hitler.
	And of course, that's the main story of my book on Bonhoeffer.
	But at the heart of it is the idea that he didn't think in a religious sense.
	I said that the sequel to my new book, Letter to the American Church, is called Religionless Christianity.
	That's a Bonhoeffer phrase because Bonhoeffer understood that You don't want to be merely religious.
	You need to live out your faith.
	Your faith needs to be translated into action, into everything.
	And just what happened then, as I say, it's happened now, so that you have many Christians today who seem to think, well, I'm just going to live in this little religious corner here.
	And what I often say is, you can be a Christian of that kind in China.
	They'll say, go into that little religious building over there, that church.
	It's an official church.
	We'll let you go in there.
	But when you come out of that church, you bow to the secular authority of the state.
	Bonhoeffer saw that that's what the Nazis were trying to do to the German church, and he said, we refuse.
	And a number of his colleagues also refused, and they tried to get others to refuse.
	They signed the Barmen Declaration, but most of them caved.
	And we know what happened.
	And so to me, it's the ultimate cautionary tale.
	I believe just as they were in an existential crisis, Germany has never recovered.
	You can talk about an economic recovery, but they've never recovered their soul, their strength.
	The patriotism that they once had, that's gone.
	It was destroyed by the Nazis and they still don't have it.
	We in America are a much more important country.
	God has allowed this country to come into being, to be a shining beacon of liberty for the whole world.
	And we're in an existential crisis right now, and it is up to the church in America to stand, just as it was up to the church in Germany.
	God points His finger at those who dare to claim they believe in Him.
	And He says, you first, because you claim to believe I defeated death on the cross.
	You claim to believe that you can do all things through me.
	You say you believe what the Bible says.
	Now's a chance to live it.
	It's a glorious opportunity.
	And so, the story of Bonhoeffer, even when I was writing it in 2008, I remember thinking, This could happen in America, but I hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime.
	Well, it's happening.
	We've seen it through COVID and through all of the nightmares that we've seen.
	The transgender lunacy, it's dramatically similar to what happened in Germany.
	I mean, it's so dramatically similar that I think people are going to think I'm exaggerating, but it really is amazing.
	The only difference, Sebastian, is that I believe God called me to write this book And for us to make this film so that enough Americans would wake up, so that we would avert the nightmare that the Germans did not avert.
	And if anyone doesn't believe these things can happen, you can read the Bonhoeffer book, because it actually did happen in a very civilized country, in a sophisticated country, in a country that was in many ways profoundly Christian.
	So that's the cautionary tale.
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	Alright, let's get to the rub, the nub of the issue, Eric.
	When you have One of two political parties using language such as President Trump should be eliminated, he's a threat to democracy, he's a dictator, and at the same time that party is fine with transgenderism, the mutilation of young girls and boys, with having no borders for our nation.
	Don't we have to stop as Christians and just first fully understand that these are not normal times and the forces arrayed against us are those of the dark one?
	Don't we have to just begin there?
	There's no doubt.
	That's exactly correct, Sebastian.
	That is exactly correct.
	And that's why, I mean, many times, I mean, I'm speaking in a lot of churches with this message, and people say, what can I do?
	What can I do?
	And I say, I'll tell you one thing you can do.
	If you are attending a church That is looking the other way as evil triumphs, as evil destroys children, children's lives, as evil destroys this nation.
	If you're going to a church that looks the other way, if you're tithing to that church, You're guilty, and I would get out yesterday, because just what happened in Germany, at one moment, it's too late, and you will hang your head in shame forever.
	And there are many Christians today going to churches, and they say, oh, well, oh, my pastor, he doesn't like to get political.
	And I think to myself, We're not dealing with Tip O'Neill or Mike Dukakis.
	We're dealing with a Marxist.
	We're dealing with a satanic agenda.
	And if you're not alive to this, if you're not awake to this and doing something about it, you are complicit.
	And there are many, many Christians utterly complicit in this.
	They're doing nothing.
	They think that church is just a nice place I go on Sunday morning.
	That's not the definition of church.
	Church is those who are called To be part of the body of Jesus Christ, and you're called to live that way.
	And so I say to people constantly, if you're somebody going into one of those churches that thinks that they can look the other way, they can be neutral, you're complicit.
	And I beg people for the sake of this nation, for the sake of your children and grandchildren, take what I'm saying seriously.
	I believe this is God's message.
	It's not my message.
	What I'm saying is true.
	And I think that people will gravely, will for decades regret what they have done or didn't do at this time.
	You've been saying it and you say it all the time.
	We're in an existential crisis.
	This is it.
	If we lose this election, for example, it's over.
	There won't be another chance to fight.
	This is it.
	Everything now.
	If you have a dollar, spend it now.
	If you have a voice, use it now.
	Because you won't have it.
	They're going to take it away from you.
	And that's, again, it's the church's duty.
	And so there are many, many Christians, many left-wing Christians, many confused Christians.
	Megan Basham writes about them in her book.
	And I write about them in my books, and I talk about them wherever I go, and it's a scandal.
	And God will not force us to do the right thing, but He tries to get us to do the right thing for our sake, so that we can participate with Him in history.
	But He doesn't force us, and He allows us to choose, and it's a chilling thing, but I tell people, if you're going to choose, choose now.
	This is the time.
	We don't have five years.
	Are there any good stories, positive stories?
	I mean, we've had Pastor Jack Hibbs on several times.
	Can you give us some good news of people standing up?
	Well, I'll tell you, I hear stories of people whose pastors have woken up.
	They gave them a copy of my book, and they read it, and they thought, good grief, I didn't see this, I need to change, and they start preaching the truth.
	I hear this all the time, and honestly, it doesn't need to be everybody, it doesn't need to be every church, but it needs to be a few More.
	I hear about people.
	I get letters from people who say that because of your book, I'm going to vote.
	Because of your book, I'm going to vote.
	I haven't voted in a number of elections.
	I think that there's a tipping point, Sebastian.
	In other words, it could be one person.
	It could be one person living in Pennsylvania or in some swing state.
	It could be, we don't know what is the tipping point.
	But each person could be that tipping point.
	And I think too that once you see something and you start talking about it, it influences the people around you.
	Silence in the face of evil is itself evil.
	People are being silent.
	Complicit with evil if you're being silent at a time when there is such evil.
	And you know, and I know, and many of your listeners know, there is real evil afoot in our land in a way we've never seen.
	The dark forces will do anything.
	They will murder Donald Trump.
	They will murder you or me.
	They will do anything they can do.
	Because they don't want to lose power.
	It's all they have.
	They stole an election.
	They allowed the COVID pandemic to wreak havoc, to cause shutdowns, to fundamentally change the nature of the world in which we live.
	We're living through something.
	We've never seen it before.
	And I kind of understand that's why a lot of people are just slow to pick up.
	Because you think, well, things have always been okay.
	Well, they're not okay.
	We've neglected our job for decades.
	And we have now come to this place.
	And this is it.
	This is the last exit before the toll.
	Yes, indeed.
	It's up to us.
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	Eric, you are now in the pulpit, and I want you, in the next two minutes, to give a sermon to those out there who know they need to do something, but have lacked the requisite spark of courage.
	We are less than 40 days away from what is the most consequential election of our lifetime.
	What is your message to your fellow American Christians, Eric?
	Well, it's actually pretty simple.
	God is a judge.
	I think a lot of people have forgotten that.
	They think, oh God, he's just wonderful, he's love, he's grace.
	Well, of course, but he is a judge.
	And he calls us to be fruitful.
	He calls us to live out what we claim to believe.
	And he's offended When we claim to believe it and he knows we don't believe it.
	And Jesus said this very clearly to the religious leaders of his day.
	Why I wrote my book, Religionless Christianity.
	You can say, you can look religious, you can have all the trappings, all the appearances, oh, I know the Bible, but the devil doesn't care if you know the Bible and God doesn't care if you know the Bible if you're not living the Bible.
	There are many people who know the Bible and they don't live it.
	Well, that's scandalous.
	Better that you would never read it than that you would read it and then not do what it commands you to do.
	And we're living in a time right now where this is it.
	I mean, I think that they're testing times.
	You know, Thomas Paine talks about, you know, the summer soldier.
	There are times that it is required of us to stand, to fight.
	We're living in that time.
	And when I say God is a judge, Jesus cursed the fig tree.
	Think of that moment.
	He cursed the fig tree and they thought, what are you doing?
	It's not bearing fruit.
	I curse it.
	Our job is to bear fruit.
	He does not give us forever.
	There's a parable where he talks about, I think it's a fig tree or something that's not there.
	And he says, well, we'll give it another year if it's not bearing fruit in another year.
	We're at that point where we've been given time.
	And I think that Most American Christians, we've been so fat and lazy and blessed in this great country that we don't understand there is judgment.
	If you lived through what my mother lived through in the war, my father lived through in the war, your father experienced it, my goodness, there is evil out there.
	And we've been so blessed in America that we could act as though, well, we're past that.
	Well, God has allowed these horrible things to happen very recently to give us a taste Yeah.
	of what lies ahead if we don't act.
	And I cannot stress enough, this election, this is it.
	This is it.
	This is not, well, let's see how it goes.
	This is not a midterm.
	This is it.
	This gives us the ability either to keep fighting or it's over.
	And I say in the new book, Religionless Christianity, that we're in an existential crisis, the third of our history.
	We ought not to have gotten through the revolution, but we did.
	We ought not to have won the Civil War and kept the Union intact.
	But by God's grace, we did.
	We're in the third existential crisis of our history.
	This is the test of our lifetimes.
	And how we behave now, we'll live with that forever.
	And so anyone who dares say, I'm a Christian, now's the time to live out your faith.
	If you don't know what I mean by that, read Letter to the American Church or Religionless Christianity or see the film, because this really is it.
	I'm not exaggerating.
	I really wish I were exaggerating, but I could not be more serious about where we are.
	This is it right now.
	The book is A Letter to the American Church, the movie, available right now at saleofnow.com.
	It's up to us.
	The clock is ticking.
	Follow our friend ericmetaxas.com, at ericmetaxas on Twitter.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.

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