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Sept. 30, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka
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Mark Davis LIVE: Gearing up for VP debate and election home stretch
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So, I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop.
I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop.
I'm Sebastian Gawker and this is America First with our very special guest host, the
The voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
Thanks so much, Dr. G. He will return tomorrow to the gathered relief of millions.
I listened to Bob France on Friday.
He's always great.
You and I were together on Thursday and we're together today.
Mark Davis from Big Thriving DFW.
It is early fall in Texas, meaning it's finally below 90.
So we're excited about that.
The Great State Fair of Texas is underway a few miles east of where I'm talking to you.
And wherever you are, I am very pleased to be talking to you, especially here on Vice Presidential Debate Eve.
I'm going to tell you a little bit of what we've got going on here on today's program.
At the bottom of this hour, we're going to talk to one of the best minds at one of the best think tanks.
I think more than a think tank.
Almost dismissive.
I love think tanks.
Institute for Policy Innovation, that's one that's right here in town as well.
I love them.
But this one is the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, which is just a good title to have.
And the great Jonathan Shanzer will be here, one of the enormously big brains on Middle Eastern things as Israel.
To the surprise of some—oh, it's a surprise.
To the delight of some and the chagrin of others, and I guess maybe to the surprise of some, they ain't having it.
Israel is not having it.
having it and I just absolutely love it and I couldn't...
War is hell. Lots of people are dying, but generally speaking, I'm glad when the good
guys win wars. There was all kinds of innocent death and women and kids and all kinds of
stuff as we were beating Germany and Japan in World War II.
Hand-wringing over that was morally confused.
Still is.
So you got to go with the big picture.
Are the good guys winning the war?
And yes, they are.
And you should note well.
Note well the American politicians who are good with this and those who seem not to be.
Those who are second-guessing Israel, literally recoiling at Israel's success.
Anyway, we'll dive into some of that with Jonathan Shanzer at the bottom of the first hour.
We can dive into it with you right now.
We can dive into all kinds of things with you.
First half hour, you, me, 833-33-GORKA, which is 833-334-6752.
Gorka, which is 833-334-6752. 833-33-Gorka. Let's mix up some calls here as we begin the week together.
833-33-GORKA.
And again, Seb is back tomorrow.
Obviously, tomorrow is Vice Presidential Debate Day.
How do you see this?
On paper, J.D.
Vance should mop the floor with Tim Walz.
Debates don't happen on paper.
They are real, live, organic, moving objects.
The only way the J.D.
Vance, Tim Wall's debate winds up being less of a home run in the way that the Trump-Harris debate was somewhat less of a home run than some folks wanted, is if J.D.
Vance screws up, which, how does that happen?
The guy's sharp as a tack.
He's great.
The thing with Kamala in that Trump-Kamala debate, which now it appears is going to be the only one we get.
Hope y'all are happy.
Last time we were together on Thursday, I continued to cling to this slender thread that said, you know what, guys?
I believe in him.
I think he would be awesome in a second debate.
And I think she would be terrible.
I mean, the expectations for her would still be low.
The media culture would still say she did great.
I don't care.
I think another debate would be an opportunity for him to close the door on her.
So pardon me.
So that's why I'd be good with another one.
I'm not lying awake at night worrying we're not going to get one.
So anyway, enough about that.
But in Vance v. Walls, where are the expectations for Tim Walls?
I mean, he can actually complete sentences, and I disagree with everything he says, but there are sentences that you can actually diagram in the English language, for the most part.
Tim Walz is just a big goober.
just a big hyperkinetic Chris Farley starter kit that I just I expect objective expectations I'd
say are are moderate and And I think they'll be met.
So I don't think there's a way for him to greatly exceed his expectations.
I think J.D.
Vance will be fine.
And as such, I think, generally speaking, we're going to be okay here.
I think tomorrow night is going to work out quite well.
You know what?
Let's enjoy a little bit.
Here's a sentence you don't hear.
Let's enjoy a little bit of CNN.
Here is the best guy they got on the payroll, and I don't know how much longer he's going to remain on the payroll.
That is Scott Jennings.
They let him into the panels and all the people who hate Trump.
Hey, J.D.
Vance are gathered there around him, and guess what?
Scott Jennings ain't having it either.
Here's Scott with a little bit of a take on Tim Walz going into the debate tomorrow night.
Walls is a buffoon.
I'm sorry.
This guy, he's the only school teacher in America who brags that none of his students can get into an Ivy League school.
He's had one consequential press interaction with our Dan Abash who asked him about the fabrications in his own resume and his answer was essentially, you know, me no understand words good.
I mean, he's a buffoon.
He's on a free ride for running under Harris.
Me no understand words good.
Just enjoy Scott Jennings while you can because they're on CNN.
Here's the real value of him is that he's on CNN.
I mean, I've often said, I mean, everybody on Fox, I love all the Fox team.
They're wonderful most days.
But when the very, very best and sharpest and most skillful conservative critiques are coming from a guy who's on CNN, You know there are interesting things afoot.
All right, there are many, many serious things afoot.
So we're going to talk about all this stuff.
Obviously, the Middle East is huge.
Obviously, the election is 36 days out, five weeks from tomorrow.
The vice presidential debate is a very, very big deal.
But first, as we begin, before we go to any calls or welcome any guests, Just let us lift every prayer and send every good wish and every thought for God's healing and grace to the people of Western North Carolina, to the people of Georgia, to the people of Tennessee, to the people of the upstate of South Carolina.
Again, I've got five or six things to say about how this is being covered, what the federal government is and is not doing, and yes, how this might affect the election.
But before I or we or you or anybody gets any of that, let us first just pray for healing For comfort for those who have lost loved ones.
Let us pray for the first responders who are trying to make life better for those who have been affected.
And let's just ask for God's healing and loving hand around all of these fellow Americans of ours who are hurting so badly after this storm.
And let us do one other thing.
As we send just the basic human goodwill toward these people, I can't let this go.
There are people who are ghoulishly and opportunistically taking this storm and people's real suffering as an opportunity to stoke environmental radicalism, the kind of economically destructive, wacky policies, Green New Deal stuff and climate extremism of various types.
And they're pointing at this and say, well, see, here you go.
Global warming.
There's climate change for you.
Listen to me.
There have always been storms.
There will always be storms.
There have always been floods.
There will always be floods.
In varying levels of severity.
The notion that human productivity has brought about this suffering in these southern states is a shameful, shameful thing to say.
And it is typical, and it is shallow, and it is craven, and it deserves to be fought back at every turn.
Do not let the real suffering of these Americans be weaponized into the latest burst of climate lunacy.
So as we reach our first break, we've got a segment where we can do some calls if you're in the mood to do that.
833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
And when we come back, because yes, we do have a country to save, I've got a thought or two about how this horrible flood, we want North Carolina to be rebuilt.
You know what I really want to be rebuilt in North Carolina?
Their polling places.
I'll tell you what I'm talking about here next.
Mark Davison for Dr. G. It is Monday.
Glad you are here.
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you It's a good thing that we have a good relationship.
It is Monday.
It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka and Dr. G is back with you tomorrow.
Mark Davis with you.
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I write for Newsweek and the McClatchy newspapers like the Fort Worth Star-Telegram write where I am and maybe some of the papers where you are.
And there's been a lot to write about and a lot to talk about.
And of course, we have, as I said, first and foremost, the storms.
So a couple of things that are offshoots from the storms.
And again, the central thing out of our minds and our hearts is every prayer and every good wish for the people who have lost so much and who yet may.
People who are hurt, people whose lives have been lost, people whose property has been lost.
That's the very, very first thing where our hearts and our minds belong.
With that box checked...
It's time to look at some other things.
It's time to look at the way in which this has been covered or not covered.
There are some who have made the observation that there's not a lot of attention to this.
It's kind of funny.
Fox News is all over it.
Other networks, maybe not as much.
Is that because it's flyover country?
North Carolina is an important state.
Georgia is an important state.
But the areas, the more rural areas, tend to be very heavy Trump voting tendency type places.
I don't know.
I think that's more cultural than political.
If it doesn't happen in New York or Los Angeles, it doesn't matter as much, I think has been a byword and an intentional sort of sin of omission of media coverage for a long time.
As far as the portions of North Carolina that are affected, I want lives restored and people's lives and livelihoods put back together as best they can.
I want a vigorous state and federal response to this.
And yes, 36 days, man.
36 days.
36 days, man. 36 days. There are two things here that could be serious obstacles to saving
the country that this storm has wrought.
One is the ability to have all the polling locations up and running, good to go.
I mean, it's funny, in a way, a month and a handful of days is a finger snap of time.
And in other ways, it's a long time.
I mean, what can you get done in a month?
I mean, there's kind of a hierarchy of needs here.
You know, we got to get water, we got to get power, we got to get food, we got to get blankets.
At some point they'll get to the notion of, you know, rebuilding the community center and making sure the voting machines are working.
But this is a very Trump voting part of North Carolina.
The portions of Georgia that are affected are very heavy red counties.
So obviously, as I've said multiple times now, my main prayer is personally for these folks and for their lives and their livelihoods.
At the same time, we do still have a country to save, and I'd like to hope that these folks' lives are restored and that things are normal enough, if that's even a word you can use, that they can vote in the numbers that they usually do.
And the other thing is just people's priorities.
If this has jostled your life down to its core, Is it possible that, listen, if you're, you know, hardcore MAGA hat-wearing, you know, we can't have four years or four minutes of Kamala, you'll crawl through the mud to get to your local polling place.
There are others who are not quite as, maybe not quite as conscientious.
And I certainly can see a level of distraction that might befall some voters in these areas as far as actually getting to the polls.
So my wish for the restoration of normalcy is so that these people can live, and these people can have jobs, and these people can raise their families, and we can start to rebuild after the storms.
There is also an angle Involving the absolute necessity of having all hands on deck on election day.
I'll tell you somebody who knows about that and who is aware of that level of urgency.
That was Trump in Pennsylvania over the weekend.
Enjoy.
And this is the most important election.
I think it's going to be the most important election of them all.
I mean, they had some pretty good ones, right?
Long time ago, they had some pretty good ones, but this is — you know, I thought that 2016 was the most — and I'd say that — this is the most important, because the border was bad.
And then we fixed it 100 percent.
It was so good.
And then these guys took over and they destroyed it quickly.
They got rid of little things like remain in Mexico.
You know, things like — not easy to get, remain, when I told the President of Mexico, you know, all — everybody staying in Mexico.
No, no, we wouldn't do that.
I said, yes, you will.
Because if you don't, we're going to tariff your cars at 150% and that's going to be the end of that.
Sir, we'd love to do that.
We'd love to keep everybody in.
We had hundreds of thousands of people.
Tijuana was probably the fastest growing place on the planet.
You ended up with like a half a million people there from a little town where you get a nice little drink.
A half a million people, they couldn't get into the country.
They wouldn't come in.
Mexico was great.
But I used tariffs in order to get that, but it was very important.
As soon as they came in, they let the people just pour in.
It's so — it is so sad.
And we're going to discuss that.
If Kamala Harris gets four more years, America, as we know it, will absolutely be destroyed.
You'll have — you'll have not 21 or 25, whatever it may be.
Nobody has any idea.
They have no idea.
They don't — they have no idea.
You know, they like to say 12, 14, 13.
It's 21.
It's probably could be 31.
Could be a lot more than that.
They have no idea they're pouring in.
Kamala is openly acknowledged to be the worst vice president in history.
And as president, she would be much worse than that.
She would be a disaster.
So there we are.
And it's funny.
Every time I see a clip like that, every time I play a clip like that, every time I hear a clip like that, I'm reminded of these people just nitpicking and saying, oh, he needs to essentially stop being him.
Stop saying mean things about her.
Stop saying she's not so smart.
Stop saying that she's just a terrible vice president.
She is a terrible vice president.
And just stay to the issues.
Stick to the issues.
Her unfitness for office is an issue. Her inability to address these problems is an
issue. And in that clip right there, there was President Trump in Pennsylvania doing both
of those things, juggling both of those things masterfully. The necessity of describing
the issues on which she is terrible and the degree of urgency in preventing her presidency
because she is terrible. It is indeed possible to walk and chew gum at the same time in
those ways. And the former president has shown a real talent for doing so. He has also shown a
real talent for being there at the right place at the right time.
He was in Valdosta, Georgia earlier today, throwing all kinds of appreciative love to Governor Brian Kemp.
Thank you for healing up that rift.
And the Lieutenant Governor and various other folks, local officials, first responders, etc.
And he stood there With the Reverend Franklin Graham of Samaritan's Purse.
And Franklin Graham offered a prayer for the surrounding area.
And it's so, it's just interesting to hear him, if there's any audio of this that you run into today.
Because when he speaks, you hear the voice of his legendary father.
You hear Billy Graham through his son.
And you hear Jesus through Franklin Graham, as you did through Billy.
It was invoked often in that prayer, saying that it's easy When really terrible things happen, it's easy to think that God doesn't love us, that God is doing this to punish us, or this is somehow His judgment upon us.
And it is a thoroughly unscriptural thing to say that.
How is there evidence of God's love even in tough times?
Because the Bible says there is.
There will be storms in life, some of them literal.
Some of them literal.
But God is still there and is still in control.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka, stick around, we will continue.
Thank you.
Welcome back to America First with Mark Davis.
Thank you, Dr. G. And again, Seb is back tomorrow, and I know that the nation will rejoice as Seb plugs in for the sort of the early beginning of the vice presidential debate pregame show.
So we have much to cover today as a new week begins, and some of the last few days have been filled with some of the most stunning developments in the Middle East.
Some say that these last few weeks have been as tectonic a shift To use the geological metaphor, in the Middle East at almost any time in recent history.
And they have involved good things.
Messy things, because war is messy.
They say war is hell, and it is.
There's a lot of death going on.
But I have to tell you that the good guys are winning.
And Israel is in the process of moving toward a time when Gaza is neutralized.
Hezbollah is neutralized.
We had the pagers explode.
We had the walkie-talkies explode, then we had the leader of Hezbollah explode.
That is a sweet, sweet wartime trifecta.
To analyze that and a number of other things that may yet happen, one of the things I always like doing is going to talk to people who are smarter than I am on a whole lot of things.
And over at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, at FDD on Twitter, is their Senior Vice President of Research, my friend Jonathan Schanzer.
Jonathan, welcome, sir.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Great to be with you.
So it's good.
The pendulum is swinging in a good direction for those of us who actually want Israel to win.
We'll get to the political divide over that in America in just a minute.
So tell us how close to being done with this war are we?
I think you've warned people not to take this really good stretch of developments for Israel and think we're about done here.
Yeah, it's a little soon to do a dance in the end zone and spike the football.
I think we're probably looking at a couple of hard weeks in front of us here.
The Israelis are now about to potentially go in on the ground and to start to engage with Hezbollah.
They have a formidable army.
This is an army that has trained and fought alongside Russia and Iran.
And so they know how to engage in some of the brutal tactics that we've seen those two armies deploy in recent years in places like Syria.
But I think even beyond that, Hezbollah has an arsenal of something like 200,000 rockets.
Now, a bunch of those were destroyed over the weekend.
The Israelis have gone after some of the more strategic weapons, in fact, hitting some civilian
homes and apartment buildings that house them in the basement.
So they destroyed some of their more significant capabilities.
But as we've seen over the course of the day, Israel continues to take incoming—we're
talking about drones and missiles and rockets and attempts to saturate Israeli airspace,
attempts to overwhelm that very successful and effective Iron Dome missile defense system.
Bottom line is, Hezbollah is a military that is assessed by the Israelis to be roughly
equal in strength to that of a mid-size European nation.
So think like Czech Republic.
This is what the Israelis are dealing with.
Now, the good news is they've lost about 75% of their leaders and maybe a third of their capabilities, maybe even up to a half.
But the problem is, is that there are still leaders that are still living and they are in control of that arsenal.
And there are tens of thousands of fighters who are eagerly awaiting an opportunity to engage with the IDF.
So if they have been degraded from Czech Republic down to maybe Bulgaria size on the way to oblivion, that's a good thing.
And if indeed, as you've described it, I heard your words there, a couple of hard weeks, what if those don't go as expected?
Is there a possibility of the pendulum swinging back?
I mean, there's an angry cornered foe is a particularly dangerous one.
No, I think that's the real risk here is the Israelis have swung the momentum in a massive way, right?
I mean, they took out a ton of top leaders from Hezbollah.
They attacked the Houthis in Yemen.
They hit Shiite militias in Iraq and Syria over the weekend.
I mean, literally, the hits just keep on coming.
And you insert those ground troops into Lebanon where they may start to get caught, right?
Where they will find surprises that they weren't ready for.
That's a real possibility.
You could see the momentum shift.
But what the Israelis are doing right now, though, they're playing this smart.
They have put special operators on the ground.
What they're doing right now is trying to gather intelligence.
They're trying to figure out what assets they can destroy from the air before they put in that larger contingent of ground forces.
They're trying to do this the right way, but will they be able to assess everything that is waiting for them?
That's a tough one for me.
And I do think that fighting Hezbollah will not be a walk in the park.
And so, yeah, we could begin to see some of that momentum slow.
I think a key here, quite frankly, is the United States.
We should be putting pressure on Iran, on Hezbollah, on the Houthis.
We should be squeezing from every possible angle, diplomatic, political, military, economic, every possible way we can to push Iran into a corner.
Let's take a quick pause.
Jonathan Schanzer is here, Senior VP of Research for the Foundation for Defensive Democracies.
What will Iran do if the Hezbollah forces that they have financed and built are wiped from the battlefield?
We'll ask that and a number of other things when we continue on America First.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
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I'm going to be back in a minute.
Jonathan Shanzer is here from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, where he's the Senior VP of Research, and we've talked about Israel's progress that they are making, and that is good news as the pendulum swings.
What shape might it take if indeed the success that those of us who support Israel, if we see the success that we want?
what might Iran do? I guess the possibilities are they could go, well, we've learned our lesson and sort of
slink away to lick their wounds, or they could respond with great anger, great force, and maybe even in nuclear fashion.
So it's impossible to know.
Nobody's crystal ball is necessarily any better.
There's no reading of minds.
But what should we be doing?
What should all of us who care about this region be thinking about what Iran may do as they watch the events on the ground?
Yeah, look, I think, Mark, you're raising some excellent questions.
And obviously, no one has a crystal ball here.
But I think there are a couple of different ways that this could go.
The first is that we could just find ourselves in a war of attrition here in the Middle East for quite some time.
And this would benefit Iran, where they just continue to fire occasional rockets, deploy these various forces.
These various militias and proxies that they have around the region.
It doesn't have to necessarily be a bright hot war.
It can be something of a low level war, which I think, you know, Iran would like to hurt Israel economically and, you know, psychologically erode Israeli society.
And I think that's what he has been doing.
But he would be down a couple of proxies.
Hamas is pretty well beat up at this point and Hezbollah may be on the way.
The other thing that could happen is that it could really escalate with those different proxies.
We call this the Ring of Fire strategy that they have.
We're talking about the Houthis in Yemen, the militias in Iraq and Syria, whatever's left of Hezbollah, whatever's left of Hamas.
And then, of course, there's Iran itself.
They've fired weapons at Israel.
The West Bank has yet to fully erupt and still could.
And so there's a seven-front war that could seriously escalate.
From there, the biggest escalation would of course be a breakout for a nuclear weapon.
We know they've been flirting with this, they've been tinkering with it for quite some time.
Could they decide to use this moment while Israel's on the verge of destroying Hezbollah to use this as a means to tell Israel to back down and we start to see a nuclear standoff in the Middle East?
Yeah, that's certainly possible.
But the thing that we want here more than anything else is sort of a A return to 1988, and that was when we had the Iran-Iraq war, and the United States, with others' international pressure, we forced an end to that conflict.
It was not conclusive at the end of the day.
And the Ayatollah back then said that he had no choice but to drink from what he called the poison chalice, which means standing down, backing off, if the idea was to live to fight another day.
That's what I think the U.S., coupled with Israel and perhaps some other international partners, that's what we should be looking at right now, forcing Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran, to drink from that poison chalice.
That would be great.
Is there a difference, though, between Iran reaching a moment of clarity in a war against Iraq versus Iran reaching a moment of clarity when they've just been severely spanked with American-made weapons against the great Satan of Israel as they view it?
Isn't there a lot more poison in this particular chalice?
There would be.
But by the way, I just want to let you know that we here in the United States are considered to be the great Satan.
Israel's only the little Satan.
But either way, getting beat up by the two Satans, that's a tough one for them to swallow.
No question about it.
But really, I think it has to come down to the U.S.
giving Israel the opportunity that it needs right now to press the advantage, right?
They've had a hell of a weekend, right?
They have really beat up on Hezbollah, and they're showing Iran that they have full penetration of all these different proxies.
They know who to hit.
They know where to hit.
They know when to hit.
If they can keep doing that for another week or two, And really, they don't take their foot off the neck of Iran or its proxies.
I think you could eventually get there.
But again, a lot needs to happen.
And most importantly, this ambivalent Biden administration that has just been so weak-kneed as it comes to Israel for the last, I'm going to say five or six months, really since March.
They were great in the beginning, and they really began to lose their mettle.
This cannot happen over the next couple weeks.
Israel needs to re-establish that deterrence, re-inspire fear in the hearts of its enemies.
They've started to do it.
Now the big question is, will the Biden administration just simply let them win?
They did say the right things early on.
It's easy to say the right things, but then you have to follow that up with doing the right things, and I don't believe that the Hamas wing of the Democrat Party will allow them to do that.
So if we are blessed with a Trump victory, which those of us on our political side and those of us on Israel's side, one would presume that is desired.
Is a return to an Abraham Accords style status quo possible?
And why don't you give everybody Abraham Accords 101 and what those were and why they were so wonderful.
Sure.
I mean, look, this was the deal cut by former President Trump, first between the UAE and Israel, and then also Bahrain.
We added to that, actually, Morocco and Sudan.
The Sudan one's fallen apart.
The other three have held.
And the idea was that it was going to herald, really, a new Middle East.
And it looked like things were well on their way.
As a guy that's been to Saudi Arabia a number of times, I really got the sense that the Saudis were close to joining the Abraham Accords as well.
And then 10-7 happened, right?
The October 7th attacks of last year.
Israel is thrust into a war.
All of a sudden it doesn't look like peace is about to break out, but instead it looks like a regional war.
And as Israel begins to tackle the thorny problem of Hamas, Israel gets dragged into these questions about humanitarian concerns for the people of Gaza.
It became really difficult for the Saudis to continue to negotiate, to continue to engage with the Israelis.
But now, I've got to tell you, what happened over the weekend May have changed things a little bit.
The Israelis ended up striking hard at the Houthis.
The Houthis are, of course, this terrorist organization backed by Iran, operating out of Yemen.
For many years, all they did was attack Saudi Arabia.
The Saudis were forced by the administration to stop fighting back.
That should sound a bit familiar.
The Biden administration forced them to stand down, and now the Israelis are doing exactly
what the Saudis would have wanted to do.
That has got to be an inspiration.
Watching the Israelis win out against Hezbollah and Hamas also I think has to give the Saudis at least some sense
of the strength of a potential power they could work with.
So much appreciated, and you should appreciate the existence of something like
the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and Jonathan Shanzer, their senior VP of research.
Thank you, sir.
Mark Davidson for Sab. Be right back.
Have a good one.
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You Thank you.
Thanks so much.
I always appreciate the conversation, sir.
with Dr. Gorka. Let's start some phone call action. We can do that here and at the beginning
of the next hour. And once we get about 20 minutes into the next hour, we're going to
be talking some borders with Todd Bensman. But let's see what's on everybody's mind.
We are. Dave, we're with you. Welcome, sir. Nice to have you on America First. How are
you doing? Thanks so much. I always appreciate the conversation, sir. So unfortunately, it
seems like everything we're going through is inextricably linked. And I think that the
summer of rage is going to be worse than 2020 as we gear up to the election and hopefully
the inauguration of President Trump.
But it's just it's odd when I look at what happened on the 26th.
The state of Tennessee dispatched 700 National Guard men to the to the Middle East.
Instead of keeping them in their state to deal with the problems that are very apparent there.
Why does our federal government, state government, keep failing we the people?
That's my question, sir.
No, it's not a rhetorical question.
Let me leave that to some folks and thank you for it because that is...
That's, every state's got resources, everything's, you know, there are a lot of pressing issues, and there are globally pressing things and locally pressing things.
Obviously, the Middle East is pressing, but doggone it, man, when people are, when there are things floating downstream in your cities, that would seem to be quite another matter.
We're in LA.
Brent, Mark Davis, you get to take us out here.
Welcome, sir.
How are you?
Blessings, marvelous Mark.
Hi.
I want to thank God for, again, miraculously helping Israel and the IDF.
Bring stunning success to all his soldiers of light.
And for finally going on the righteous offensive against all the United Nations of neo-Nazi global darkness.
King David has been returned in the hearts of the Jew to again defend our people, as well as every nation and people who honestly love and follow the holy commandments of the one true God.
And God is again on the ascendancy in Israel, and the devil is on his despised, despicable, Democrat demise.
Colorfully put, Brett, I would expect no less.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate it.
It's this moment in time.
You know, we go through lots of moments in time.
It sounds very Kamala-like.
A moment in time is a time when you have a moment.
There are moments in time that are inspiring and uplifting.
There are those that are defeating and depressing.
And they often come in mixtures, and they come in different sizes and scopes.
Right now in the Middle East, in an area that seems often so bereft of hope, there is actual hope.
I have actual hope that there could be progress in the Middle East, because there is moral clarity.
Israel has moral clarity on the necessity of winning this war, of wiping out the terrorist monsters who are behind 10-7, wiping out Hamas in Gaza, wiping out Hezbollah in Lebanon.
And I believe they can do this.
And the missing part of the hopefulness that I feel is a Trump presidency that can operate in harmony rather than obstruct the progress that Israel wants to make.
Progress I want to make is into the next hour with more of your calls, more great guests.
Mark Davison for Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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Appreciate it very much.
Thanks to the boys of Nazareth for the additional cowbell behind our beginning musical parade.
As we get into a parade of your calls and of great guests, we're going to welcome the wonderful Todd Bensman coming up here in just a little bit.
We're going to talk about some borders, some issues.
Some issues are domestic, like taxes, abortion rights is a domestic issue.
Some are purely global, like what in the world do we do with Ukraine?
What do we do with regard to Israel and the Middle East?
And some are both foreign and domestic.
And that's where our border comes into play, because obviously our southern border, our northern border, all of our borders are a domestic concern.
It's about the sovereignty of our country.
But it's about all these folks from other countries who are scrambling to get in.
And we all understand why they are.
America is awesome.
Their countries are sometimes less so.
But in order to have some kind of cohesiveness, in order to have the definition of a country,
we have to have borders that function.
And right now we don't.
And Todd Benjamin's going to join us a little later on in this hour to talk about that.
We've been doing a lot of Israel talk, a lot of Middle Eastern discussions, a lot of what
in the world is going on there.
And as, in fact, let us, I've got, interestingly, there are few people who have risen, in my
estimation more than Marco Rubio has in the last few years.
Little Marco, a few years ago, there was much to say, and Trump did, and I did.
Rubio lately has just been spot on on a bunch of things.
You'll hear him on the subject of Israel here in just a second.
Right now, let's hear from some people on a variety of things.
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Judy, welcome, and a good Monday to you.
Judy, welcome and a good Monday to you.
Nice to have you on America First.
I was listening to the conversation.
All I want to say is Israel, I think, has to take out the nuclear threat hanging over their head by Iran, Khomeini.
So, you know something?
You can push someone only so far, but once you're in a corner, That person has no choice but to push back for survival.
So I feel Israel got to do what they got to do.
October 7 was outrageous.
The world opinion, they don't give a flying flip about hostages, about babies being taken, beheaded, put in ovens.
I've never in my life seen something like this, that I'm among human beings that are bestial, you know?
And it's just, you know, and Israel, listen, at the size of New Jersey, for crying out loud,
you've got 22 Arab countries, and they just don't wanna leave this country alone.
And they've got 2 million Arab Muslims living there very happily there,
and they've got a representation in the government there, which no one, which they don't have anywhere
in their 22 Arab countries.
But, you know, just Israel is bad, and just the world opinion mostly
on the side of these bad people.
So Israel, I think, should not look at world opinion.
They have to do whatever they have to do to protect themselves and survive.
And this nuclear threat is really, really dangerous.
And I think that would make a lot of people happy to take it out.
And they must do it.
Jenny, a question on that, because obviously I'm in harmony with everything you've said.
This is a category of something that's easy to say and might be really, really hard to do.
And what might be the repercussions?
I mean, are we talking about Israeli bombers dropping ordnance on the fledgling nuclear facilities of Iran?
They probably aren't going to take kindly to that.
Mark, I want to tell you something.
I once was in a taxi cab, and the guy was an Israeli, and he told me that in the time of the Shah, it was very interesting, in the time of the Shah, the Shah was friendly with Israel, and it was Israel that was engineers and architects that built Iran.
So Israel knows every nook and cranny of Iran, mind you.
And then you've got people in Iran, might possibly rise up You never know.
You know, I mean, God runs the world, you know, so God controls everything.
So we'll see.
Judy, thank you.
Appreciate it very, very much.
And there's a reason I ask that is because whatever—I mean, it's not like an exact Newton's law of every action having an equal and opposite reaction, but it can approach that at times.
If we do something that is—if Israel does something with our approval and perhaps even our assistance, like take out an Iranian nuclear facility, what then does Iran do?
Do they slink away having learned their lesson?
That would be nice.
I don't know that that would happen.
Do they respond in kind?
And then what happens if you suddenly find American troops?
Gentleman last hour was right.
The Tennessee National Guard just sent about 400 people over to the Middle East.
We have no shortage of trouble spots, and we need to take them on a case-by-case basis.
Count me among those who would love to see Ukraine and Europe and whatever help we've given succeed in ousting Putin from Russia, ousting Russian troops from Ukraine, ousting Putin from Ukraine.
I don't for a minute think that's going to happen.
As such, that's why I believe it's time for some type of negotiated settlement.
The Ukrainian border dispute with Russia is not a pressing American national security concern right now.
Israel's fate in the Middle East, I believe, is.
It is the only Western-style democracy in the region.
America has a political, a cultural, a faith-based connection, if you will, to Israel.
There is something literally biblical About our Judeo-Christian nation and the history of Israel.
That doesn't mean that everybody has to be 100% on board with every dime of aid.
I mean, we've heard from people in the last few days here on this show that, I don't want a dime of aid going anywhere.
Okay, that's a way you can feel.
I believe that if there's going to be American involvement, there needs to be an American strategic underpinning for it.
I mentioned that Marco Rubio It had some things to say about this.
I believe this is on Meet the Press.
And Kristen Welker had asked him, are you concerned with all this pesky success that Israel is having?
Are you concerned?
There always needs to be concern.
Anytime good things happen, the left is concerned.
Hmm, we need to ruminate about this a little bit.
About the wider warfare, about the possibility of a wider conflict.
Well, when we decided to go up against Hitler in World War II, when we decided to go up against Imperial Japan in World War II, there was the same danger of a wider conflict.
In fact, that's why it was called a world war.
Did we let that dissuade us?
We did not.
So here's Rubio, and again, just enjoy.
I literally mean enjoy.
They ain't calling him Little Marco anymore when he brings good logic like this.
This is the guy who cheerfully said, death to America, death to Israel.
Now when you're a country and someone runs an organization that exists for the specific and defined purpose of destroying you, you have no choice but to treat that person as an enemy and to confront them.
This is the guy that spent years cheering on suicide bombings that killed innocents, the kidnapping of Israelis.
There are 60,000 Israelis right now who for almost a year, almost a year now, ...have had to leave their homes in northern Israel and are living in hotels in Tel Aviv and their kids are going to school online in conference rooms because the group that Nasrallah headed, which is Hezbollah, was using anti-tank weapons, not guided and long-range missiles, anti-tank weapons to target them and civilian infrastructure.
So people had to leave.
What country can have 60,000 people permanently displaced?
And that's what this issue with Hezbollah is all about.
Israel wants a 6-10 mile buffer between itself and Hezbollah, so they can't be using these shoulder-fired rockets to target cities and civilian communities, so people can move back to their homes.
And Hezbollah refuses to pull back, it continues with those attacks, and so Israel has no choice but to defend itself.
And so wiping out, not just Nasrallah, but the senior leadership of this evil organization gives a service to humanity.
So let's stipulate that that's Rubio being great.
And Hassan Nasrallah is dead, and that is a fantastic thing.
I think a guy who was sort of in his shadow was also dead like hours later.
So this is just a good continuum that we are on here.
And he was also right in talking about this 6 to 10 mile buffer zone between at the Israeli-Lebanese border.
Okay, the question naturally arises, who polices that?
And what kind of involvement might we have there, and what would the American role be in that?
It is one thing to stand with an ally, with your words, with your money.
When it becomes time, if that time ever arises, to sending our sons and daughters to that six to ten mile buffer zone between Israel and Lebanon, that's going to be the real test Of just how supportive we wish to be as an ally of Israel.
I will tell you, it ain't gonna happen under this president.
And that's why it gets very, very interesting if Trump is elected.
Because does Trump back Israel?
Yes, he does.
Does Trump have a solid moral compass on who the good guys and who the bad guys are?
Yes, he does.
But Trump is not going to be the kind of president to ship Thousands of American troops over there to be of value in policing that demilitarized zone, if it is a DMZ, there between Israel and Lebanon.
So does he envision that just the raw diplomatic power of the specter of him as president would somehow magically allow calm and order to descend upon the region?
You know what?
Maybe.
Maybe.
I sure hope we get the opportunity to find out.
All righty, we have the opportunity to talk to Todd Bensman, talk some borders next on America First with Dr. G. Mark Davis filling in.
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Do you think the borders will be a big deal in the election?
Donald Trump certainly wants them to be.
Kamala went to the border.
How did that go?
How have these past few years gone in terms of the Biden administration's stewardship of the border.
It's a pleasure to welcome a gentleman who's a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and the author of Overrun, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S.
History.
Our friend Todd Bensman is here.
Todd, congrats on the book and welcome.
How you doing?
Doing great.
Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it.
How do we quantify that?
What makes it the worst border crisis in American history?
Well, there are metrics.
We all track them.
They're public knowledge.
The number of illegal crossings that Border Patrol counts, the number of gotaways are simply, you know, broke every record on the books in 2021 and then just kept going.
So we know that the numbers tell us this is the greatest border crisis in, I think, world history.
I can't find another comparable Uh, situation really in modern history.
Maybe there was something back in the, uh, you know, the Celtic wars or something like that.
But, uh, that's how we know.
That's how we know.
What is a gotaway?
Yes.
Gotaways are, uh, immigrants that that run, uh, and try to evade border patrol and successfully do it.
Remember, in this mass migration crisis, the way it works is everybody knows that they're going to be quickly released into the interior, that border patrol agents are just a function of the policy, that they are going to be escorted straight into the interior of the U.S.
within a day or two.
So they give themselves up, most of them.
But there's always some number that know that they've got criminal history or they're hiding something or whatever, and that they would be pushed back for the criminal history if they turn themselves in.
So they run and they get through.
In large numbers, two million of them in the last three years, another big metric that's been broken.
And that's going to be a high concentration, a high contaminated pool.
of immigrants because you're going to have a lot of criminality in that group.
So, if indeed the Gottaways are the bad hombres, if you will, is the Border Patrol, the whole ICE structure, and the CBP structure, are they just so busy acting not as border agents, but travel agents, stamping everybody's documents, giving them a phone and an envelope of cash, and watching them disappear into the interior of America, that they just don't have the manpower or the resources to catch actual criminals as they come across?
Yeah, that's kind of it.
The problem is that on Inauguration Day 2021, the newly seated Biden administration tore open these huge exemptions and started doing in the Title 42 COVID rule, which was all pushbacks, right?
And they started escorting everybody straight through.
And once they began doing that, Uh, the trickle turned into a flood, which turned into a torrent.
Uh, and they needed manpower to process them in.
It was, they were like a bunch of, they were turned into Walmart readers stamping their papers in, but leaving vast stretches of the Southern border undefended, uh, so that they could catch people and run their fingerprints and biometrics and whatnot.
And that's how they, that's why we have 2 million gotaways because It was left undefended.
They were able to just pour right through and keep on going.
So you're quite the expert on the nuts and bolts of how this works.
That's what your book is about.
So if this goes beyond where you want to go, let me know.
But when I take a look at how an American administration with stewardship over its border, why they would allow this, is it too glib to say?
I'm not sure about the voting part, but surely it's cherry on top.
This is not several things.
of a needy underclass is exactly what they wish to do so that these folks can be normalized, legalized,
naturalized, and then energized for decades of grateful Democrat voting.
I'm not sure about the voting part, but it's surely it's cherry on top.
This is not several things.
It's definitely not incompetence.
It is definitely not an accident or a broken system.
Uh, the Biden campaign, Harris campaign too, before she dropped out of the race.
Uh, they, they told us exactly what they were going to do.
They, they have it in black and white.
You can go look at the campaign platform of the Biden and Harris, uh, campaigns of 2019 circa 2020.
And they tell you straight up, we're going to end deportation.
We're against it.
We're going to end detention.
We're against that, too.
It's immoral.
It's cruel.
We're going to grant amnesty to everybody who can get in here.
We're going to stop considering people criminals for illegally breaching the border.
All of these things they said out loud, raised their hands on the debate stages when they were asked if they'd give free health care and Uh, decriminalize illegal entry and ignore the existing laws and statutes.
They raised their hands in public along with all the other Democratic candidates.
And so when they entered office, they just simply did exactly what they said they were going to do.
No, there's no surprises here at all.
They did what they said they were going to do, uh, where they repeated what they were going to do over and over and over again.
It's in writing.
I mean, there should be no surprise here at all.
This is not a broken border.
that they inherited, they broke the border on purpose to achieve a particular agenda.
Right.
And it's not a broken system.
Everybody's fond of saying, oh, the system is broken, the system is broken.
No, it's not.
We have all the laws we need.
We just need to follow them.
In a couple of minutes before our first break, she did actually go to the border.
Did anything jump out at you from that visit in terms of noteworthy content?
Well, I mean, she has been spouting all along since she became the nominee that she's going to move to the center, that never mind all of the things that I've been saying for the last three and a half years and doing, I am now a new person and I am going to do border security.
But the thing that really stuck That struck me about what she said down there is that she did announce that she is going to be a big supporter and proponent of what they call safe, orderly, and lawful pathways, which means the flights program that they've been doing, the CBP1 program that they've been doing, where they escort people through the ports of entry at the land border, the flights,
And the safe mobility offices where the refugee-izing people that don't deserve refugee status apply them in doing.
All right, let's take a pause and come back.
Great.
Todd Bensman is with us, author of Overrun, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S.
History.
How do we get out of it?
And where are we at the moment?
We'll take a look at other issues with Todd in just a moment.
Mark Davison for Dr. G. Stick around.
Be right back.
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Welcome back to America First with Mark Davis.
Thank you, Dr. G. Appreciate it.
Thank you, Hall and Oates, for what I hope is the morning of November 6th theme, She's Gone.
More on that later.
We're with the company of Todd Bensman, a fellow with the Center for Immigration Studies, author of Overrun, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S.
History.
Kamala made a trip to the border and when asked, in fact, looking at tomorrow night's VP debate, I guarantee you at some point, Tim Walz will look over at J.D.
Vance and say, you people, you people blocked this Wonderful bill that would have given us more agents and would have just solved every problem.
And you guys opposed it because you wanted to run on the problem rather than solve the problem.
Tell me your view of this magical bill that all the Democrats found a way to love.
Yeah, they did.
They found a way to love this bill, mainly because they wrote it.
They took advantage of some pretty deep ignorance on the part of Republicans in the Senate.
who really didn't know anything about what they got snookered essentially and the bill you know a laugh
We'll we'll get Todd back in a moment or shall I just continue on a couple of things
You want to give that a try a little bit?
Because I'll tell you the reason I asked, and one of the sort of local stories that happens in the midst of all of this, the local story down here in Texas, is that just north of us, north of the Red, as we say, north of the Red River, a so-called conservative senator, I mean, James Lankford backed this thing.
And a lot of people thought, oh, because if Lankford likes it, then that must mean it's fantastic.
Todd is back.
Let me let you finish your sentence where you started, because Democrats wrote it, and they took advantage of some people's ignorance.
And go from there, please.
They really did.
It increases the number of illegal entries at the border from the current zero to 5,000 a day, 1.8 million a year.
Which is just a non-starter.
Of course it's absurd.
Of course, you know, smarter Republicans intervened in that thing and they should continue to do so.
The administration doesn't need anything else to secure the border.
They have everything they need right now.
And as a matter of fact, One of the things that they've just done has secured the border already without legislation.
They cut a deal with Mexico all the way back in December to have the Mexicans put 35,000 troops out and sweep up all the illegal immigrants that they could lay hands on in the northern provinces and ship them down to southern Mexico and trap them down there.
That's why the numbers are as low as they are right now, and they didn't need legislation to do that.
They'll take advantage of that, too, because I've heard all of a sudden that the—and isn't part of it seasonal?
We've come through the heat of summer.
Do we expect that?
What's likely to happen to crossings?
I don't know if it's a long enough term, long enough horizon.
In the next five weeks, is any change likely in the next five weeks to make news that would matter to the vote on November 5th?
Well, I personally believe that the deal that the Biden-Harris administration cut with Mexico Is good till about November 5th.
Please explain.
I'm a cynical guy, what can I say, but I'm also an optimist and I hope that if it's a Harris administration that they'll be like, you know, this kind of is working out okay, but we don't have to worry.
Let's keep doing it.
But the other problem is that they've got these lawful pathways, quote-unquote, that are completely legally dubious, where they're flying hundreds and hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants right over the border into U.S.
airports from all over the world.
France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Fiji, Australia.
They're flying them from all over the world.
If they're from Central America or, you know, Venezuela, Cuba.
And so, uh, they're, they're planning to ramp that up, uh, under the Harris.
She said it that that's the one thing she said.
We'd like that lawful pathways program.
Well, if you're Detroit, if you're, uh, New York, Denver, Boston, DC, uh, any of the cities that are absolutely staggering under this, you don't care how they're showing up, whether they crossed illegally between the ports or came in, it's about total immigration load.
Coming in.
That's all this is about, not how they're entering.
And so what they're saying is, well, we think that it's perfectly fine to bring in a million, two, three million people this way because they're not illegally crossing.
We're just giving them a fake legal permit that doesn't, that's not going to hold up.
It's under challenge in by 20 different states.
And so they're reducing the numbers that would have illegally crossed, but they're still crossing.
So if you're Denver, you care a lot about this.
Indeed, you should.
And we all should, and all of us who care should get our own copy of Overrun, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S.
History.
The author is Todd Bensman, Senior Fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies.
Todd, always great to have you.
Thank you, thank you.
All right, your thoughts on borders, your thought on the VP debate, your thought on what happens five weeks from tomorrow, how it all goes, where's your head at, as the kids used to say.
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So, I'm going to go ahead and close this.
So guys, welcome!
Wonderful to be here, wonderful to talk to you about this day that stands in such in such stark fashion as we take a look ahead to what's going on, as we take a look ahead to the various things that are happening around us.
It is five weeks from tomorrow, five weeks from tomorrow, and it's in a way those five weeks are In a way, it's a snap of a finger of time, and in a way, it's forever.
It kind of depends.
If you've got company coming, five weeks is a long time.
If you've got a country to save, five weeks is very, very brief.
And so, as we take a look at the various things that lie ahead, let me offer for you a couple of things that I've been thinking about.
In terms of where we are and where we're going and what's likely and where it's all supposedly going.
As we examine the variables on the table, is Trump a variable?
I don't think he is.
We all know him.
You either love him or you don't.
If you don't love him, love him.
Do you have the clarity to recognize that?
The country was better, the world was better when he was president.
You know, fine, if you just, you can, you can, I don't like the mean tweets or I don't like this, whatever, get over yourself.
It's about the country.
It's about the world.
If you are a hardcore liberal, if you are a dyed-in-the-wool leftist, you're going to want Kamala.
And she's a known quantity, too.
This notion that That she's being introduced or reintroduced is folly.
She's been around for years.
Who doesn't know who she is?
Who doesn't know what she stands for?
We all do.
So what's the variable?
We are.
Not me and probably not you.
I mean we collectively as a country.
We are the variable.
What kind of country do we have?
Do we have a country that is dumb enough, gullible enough, sufficiently fallen that we will buy what she is selling?
Do we have a country that is shallow enough and historically illiterate enough that we will show this kind of disregard for the founding of our country, the founders, our founding documents, to elect people who will savage them in this way?
So that's up to us, and I wish I knew the answer to that.
On paper, Trump wins, and it's not close.
But we don't do elections on paper.
They happen in the hearts and the minds of millions and millions of voters.
And I don't know who coined this.
Whoever it is, I want to thank them.
I love my country.
I love America.
It's Americans I sometimes have a problem with.
And by that I mean we live in a crazy quilt time.
We got a lot of dumb people out there and they vote.
And so, it's cause for some concern to me, and that's why, you know, just doing what I do for a living, I just want to get out there with some clarity and get out there with... And it's funny, because I'm getting ready to go to some calls here.
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It would be great if through the raw power of conservative media that we could turn the
country 70-30 conservative.
We're working on that.
Until we get there, maybe even 80-20, until we get there, I am fine winning in November with the votes of some people who might not even be all that conservative.
RFK Jr.
ain't that conservative.
Tulsi Gabbard probably is, but she's still a lib on a couple of things, to be sure.
They're just some people who have found some common ground who recognize that Trump is their guy for things that liberals used to care about, like, oh, I don't know, free speech?
Things like that.
So with the help of people who may not even be all that conservative, I'll take the W. I'll save the country with the help of some people who might disagree with me on some things.
Agree or disagree?
Let's hop to the phone calls.
John, we are in Pittsburgh with you.
Welcome.
Happy Monday.
Nice to have you.
Welcome.
Thanks, Mark.
First, on your point, I'll go with what the American people decide.
I think most fair-minded Americans will.
If it's a fair fight and a clean election, I'll go by the results.
That's where the question has come in in the past.
As far as, I did want to make a point on Israel striking Iran's nuclear facility, of course Iran would respond, but that response would be absent a nuclear weapon, and that would be the whole point of the strike.
There's those that say the facility is impenetrable, but the infrastructure around it, the water supply,
the electric grid that create that, that what goes on inside it could all be destroyed.
So it's something Israel will have to do.
It's just a matter of time, Mark.
I think that's wise.
With an extra minute, let me ask you about the first thing you gave me,
because I think there was wisdom in that too.
Listen, if it looks like we lose fair and square, will I quote-unquote accept it?
Yeah, as a sad fact, of course I will.
But I can't be ambivalent about it.
If it looks like we've lost fair and square, you know, it doesn't seem to be the product of cheating.
It just looks like we lost.
Every once in a while, there'll be an election where I lose.
I've had that in my whole life.
This time, though, my despair will be profound.
It will mean that we have a country that was willing to fall in with these people who believe there are 37 genders and we don't need a border, and that will be profoundly depressing.
How about you?
Yeah, I agree with that, Mark.
Although, I really, I don't want to get too philosophical here or religious, but The good Lord came into this country and it was in this world and it was in disarray and he left with this world in disarray.
What's the point he was making?
You're not going to live in a perfect world.
We have to rise up sometimes, regardless of our thoughts and feelings, and look at the big picture.
And that's where I have to go sometimes.
I'm glad I asked.
And don't ever shrink from being philosophical.
When I'm here, when Seb is here, we like philosophical.
John, thank you.
Appreciate it very, very much.
John and I will have a possible disagreement next Sunday when the Steelers host the Cowboys.
We'll see how that goes.
Um, of course, of course, God is in control.
Of course, I would certainly, I will default to a setting of we will somehow slog through this together.
But it will mean, if we're, and I almost don't want to bring this up because I would just accentuate the positive as the old song lyric goes.
If we indeed lose this, and it looks like we lost it cleanly, then America is fallen.
America is lost.
And I don't mean irredeemably, irreparably fallen or irredeemably lost.
It'll mean that we've lost our way.
It'll mean that we have so much work to do.
And we better start fast and start conscientiously.
All right, Mark Davis in for Seb Gorka.
One more segment, we'll knock another call out here and then continue into the next hour.
More calls, more guests, more things to do.
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Darren, Mark Davis, happy Monday.
How are you?
I'm doing wonderful, sir.
How are you today?
Good, thanks.
Good, good.
I was saying, I've heard many times Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, they all say the same thing, that Trump is a threat to our democracy.
Well, I kind of have to say that I agree with them, to the point that he is a threat to what they are considering and what their definition of democracy is.
Their democracy is, they want to Make it illegal to kill children.
Up is down, down is up, left is right, right is left.
It's like this nation has turned their back on God and expect everything to work out okay.
Well, it doesn't work out right.
It's not going to.
So we really have to have a level of intelligence that we don't have right now.
Because if Kamala Harris actually does pull it out and win this election, and it'll probably be by hook or crook, honestly, if that happens, it's just going to get 10 times worse than what it is now.
We think it's bad now.
Hold on, folks.
It's going to get a whole lot worse.
Darren, I think your cautionary words are wise.
And thank you.
I appreciate it very much.
Trump is a threat.
He's a threat to the establishment order of both parties.
And that is why the left hates him.
And that's why you can find some people who still pretend to be Republicans who do as well.
Because in the John McCain, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan Liz Cheney and her sad fallen father in their world of establishment comfort zones.
Trump is a danger to that order as well.
It's the order that has made them famous.
It's the order that elected them.
It's the order that has made them, in many cases, rich.
And to have Trump come along with that brand of conservative populism that puts America first, no matter who gets rich, that puts you first, puts your free speech rights out there, no matter what you may say, that is mightily jostling to a whole lot of people.
And Trump has what you might call the right enemies, the people who are cowering in fear of his return as the 47th president.
Are afraid for exactly the right reasons.
On the Republican side of things, if these people still pretend to be on the Republican side of things, it means that their decline further into irrelevance is at hand.
And for the left, it means that maybe the vice grip that they have on our society, that maybe that is coming to an end.
As is this hour.
So in the next, we're going to take your calls at the front end.
So 833-33-GORKA.
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Then we're going to ask the question, what is that Project 2025 anyway?
A gentleman from the Heritage Foundation itself will be along to tell us.
So lots to go in the next hour.
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Um...
Oh, making an old guy feel welcome.
Some Zeppelin, some heartbreaker from Zeppelin too.
Oh my gosh, put me in a good mood at T-minus 36 days to the election.
I hope tomorrow night's VP debate puts me in a good mood.
I think that it will.
I mean, if it's J.D.
Vance at his best and Tim Walls at his best, well, obviously, each guy's best will be viewed through certain people's political lenses, and you certainly know mine.
I think it should go well.
Let's see how things go here on the phones and on the guest lines.
We're going to be talking at the bottom of this hour with a gentleman I've known for a long time.
His name is Hans von Spakovsky.
He is with the Heritage Foundation, and this is the outfit that put together this Project 2025 that is the bugaboo of all the liberals seeking to hang it around Trump's neck.
Why, if it's so good, Why is Trump distancing from it?
He's got some insights as to that and I may offer some of my own.
I have some insights for you as we begin this hour and let us go to your calls as well.
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We're 36 days out.
And I've said often that it's kind of a referendum on us.
Is it a referendum on the Biden administration?
It is.
I mean, Kamala will bring you the Biden policies.
She may say she won't, but I believe she will.
I believe there's a reason she has been a willful accomplice in this presidency in progress.
Is because she believes in all the things that the Biden White House has done.
Interestingly, speaking of the Vice President, literally moments ago I was watching a cable news feed of her at FEMA headquarters in Washington on the heels of all the Hurricane Helene damage In North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia in particular.
And she's saying, I will be on the ground as soon as the situation permits.
I'll be doing this.
I've been on the phone.
Why is she doing this?
Isn't she busy like trying to campaign or something?
Why is she busy doing it?
Why are we hearing from her and not from the actual president?
And we all know the answer to that.
He cannot do this.
She can.
She can complete sentences.
She can remain awake.
And this leads to something that was kind of a nugget of interest in my show this morning.
I'll offer it to you.
It may deserve more time than we have, but here's the interesting thing.
If the Democrats think That they're behind.
If the Democrats think they're going to lose.
If the Democrats see that Trump underpulls.
I mean, it can be something they do on November 3rd or 4th.
This would literally have to be a trigger that they pull in the coming couple of weeks.
And it would be the October surprise for the ages.
In no way am I saying that I'm predicting it would happen.
I'm just telling you, if it did, she wins.
You ready?
Biden resigns.
He just resigns. That just seems like a bad movie script, right? Why in the world would he resign?
He says he can do this job. Yeah, he said he could do the job of campaigning too.
He told us he could do this job for four more years and was somehow muscled out of the way.
Might the same forces that reached for the hook and yanked him off stage for the campaign,
Might those same people see to it that he actually hands her the presidency, even for a few short weeks, so that all of a sudden the zone is flooded, the oxygen, the news oxygen is filled with, oh, we actually have our first woman president.
Look at this.
Look at the history.
Look how unfair it would be to pull the rug out from under her when she's just getting started.
So I'm just telling you, No way am I saying there's a reason to believe this is going to happen, and no way am I predicting it's going to happen.
I'm just telling you, if your conspiratorial mind is filled with plot lines for the month of October, if things start to look bad enough, not beyond the realm of possibility, he just flat out resigns, lets her campaign from Air Force One, and I'm telling you, if she does that, she wins.
Your phone call is 833-33-GORKA.
Could be about anything.
We've talked about Israel.
We've talked about the coming election.
We've talked about various things going on in the news.
We are in Pittsburgh.
Sam, Mark Davidson for Seb.
Welcome.
How are you this Monday?
I'm doing well.
How are you, Mark?
Good.
Thank you.
So, I was going to ask you a question, but you mentioned something about Israel.
And, you know, this is not to bash Israel, but Uh, obviously the hurricane, Hurricane Helene, uh, has done a tremendous amount of damage, uh, and it's spread through several states.
And I'm wondering if it would have been or would be better to, instead of continuing to Just providing Israel with a slush fund, we somehow bring that money back and we help people rebuild and help build infrastructure.
I'm wondering what your thoughts are about that.
It's a quick one, and that is to say that it doesn't have to be binary.
There are a lot of things that American taxpayer dollars can be well spent on.
One of them is relief efforts for when people in our own country are suffering, And another of those things that American taxpayer dollars can be well spent on is actual areas of strategic interest to us.
We may have a difference on what is and what's not on Israel or Ukraine or anything else, but generally speaking, the United States of America has over time properly spent taxpayer dollars on domestic relief efforts and also properly spent American taxpayer dollars on various global concerns.
We don't have to pick one from the other.
What else?
Yeah, and the other thing, I appreciate your answer.
I might respond to that, but the other thing was that you mentioned that you'd be willing to accept the results of the election if you or people in general on the right felt like the results were in the up and up.
But how would you define that?
Because last time there was zero evidence to indicate that there was any kind of... Sit tight there, cowboy.
Here's what we had.
Here's what we had.
And first of all, my optimism is high because we don't have COVID panic this time, do we?
And that's what led to the problems of 2020.
In various states, election norms Actual laws, procedures were dashed against the rocks.
Things suspended that shouldn't have been suspended.
Things created that shouldn't have been created, resulting in an uncountable number of votes being counted that shouldn't have been counted.
How many?
I don't know.
That's why it was never going to be settled in a courtroom.
There was never going to be a judge that brought a gavel down and said, I find that Trump did win Arizona, or I find that he did win Georgia.
That was never going to happen.
And I know people love saying, well, you know, the courts said no to all.
The courts were always going to say this was never going to be resolvable in a court.
As it sadly happened, various states changed things unconstitutionally on the fly.
resulting in an unreliable result.
The Supreme Court should have accepted what was called the Texas Challenge.
My state and about 17 others saying, whoa, let's sit tight here and see what we have
to say about the unconstitutional changing of election laws.
That was the problem in 2020.
I guess I guess my question more goes to, but where is the evidence?
Well, no, I did what I what I just told you is true.
What I just told you is true.
Various states unconstitutionally changed their election procedures on the fly because of COVID panic.
The Supreme Court should have hit a pause button on this entire electoral vote acceptance process to see if maybe we had unconstitutional things happen to thwart the result as it was tabulated.
They didn't do that.
They were gutless.
They punted.
So that's where we are.
I guess I'm just asking, like, but from where?
Like, okay, so where is the justification to even ask for that?
Like, where is the evidence?
There's got to be... It's like if you... I can't... Okay, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Right?
A judge is not going to sign a warrant without some kind of evidence to indicate, okay, we're... No, I understand.
That's a fair question.
The people making the case before the Supreme Court, if they had had the guts to accept it, would have pointed out the various ways in various states where election laws and procedures and norms were We're shattered and changed on the fly, in violation of the Constitution.
They would have made that argument.
They would have been able to make that argument.
And then the John Roberts Supreme Court, gutless though it can sometimes be, and not so much... Well, Roberts himself is a problem because he doesn't want to ever do anything that has a political tilt to it, even if the Constitution cries out for it, might have said that sadly, unfortunately, confoundingly, The votes as counted don't represent reality, and we've got to send the entire thing to the House of Representatives.
That would have been a possibility, at least.
But you're saying that it would prove two different things.
You're saying, one, it would prove that if they had been given the opportunity to present, they'd prove that there was an actual reason for or that there was actual evidence for there to have been
some nefarious thing going on.
And then you said the other thing was, um...
Oh, I can't remember. What was it?
What was it?
No, it's okay.
I know where you're going.
Because, yes, I'm presuming the Supreme Court would have agreed with me if they'd heard it.
And there's no guarantee that they would have.
I just wish they had the opportunity.
And I'm glad I've had the opportunity to have you on.
Sam, appreciate you.
Thanks for being here.
I wish we'd have had the opportunity.
Pardon me invoking this, that's kind of what January 6th was about.
The opportunity to hit a pause button and say, wait a minute, is what's about to happen here right or not right?
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who will be back and show that bears his name tomorrow.
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The Answer in thriving Dallas-Fort Worth, and we're glad to have you here.
And I'm glad to have this gentleman here, because it's an opportunity to ask the musical question, what the heck is Project 2025 anyway?
You will hear conservatives invoke it because there are some really good conservative things in there.
You will hear liberals invoke it because they think it helps them to hang it around Trump as if it's a bad thing.
Let's go straight to Heritage.
One of the senior legal fellows in that fine organization is Hans von Spakovsky.
Pleasure to welcome you, sir.
Thanks for being here.
How are you doing today?
Mark, I'm doing great.
It's nice to talk to you again.
Nice to have you.
So give me the history.
Project 2025 is hardly the first time that Heritage has put together some thoughts on the direction they'd like the country to go.
No, in fact, the first time was almost 40 years ago when Ronald Reagan was elected president.
At that time, we put together a policy book called Mandate for Leadership, That had specific reforms for various departments within the executive branch.
Ronald Reagan liked it so much that he handed it out to all his cabinet secretaries at their first meeting and said, you know, you guys need to read this and follow these recommendations and these reforms.
Project 2025 is kind of an expanded version of that.
Heritage, this time, got 100 different organizations involved.
And we started this in 2022, long before Donald Trump even said he was going to run again.
Donald Trump had nothing to do with putting this together, as has been claimed by Kamala Harris and others.
And what we did is we got 100 other organizations, about 400 people, And we said, look, if you were put in charge of the executive branch of the federal government in 2025, after the next presidential election, how would you run the government?
What reforms would you recommend for each of the main departments and independent agencies?
So the result It's a 900 page policy book.
There's a chapter on every major executive branch agency from DOD to the Department of Justice.
Each one says, well, here are the reforms needed.
Here's what needs to be cleaned up in this department.
This is how it should be run.
And, you know, those who say, oh, this is scary.
I'm sure most of them actually haven't read it.
They've been reading all the lies and fabrications about it, but I think if folks read it, they'll actually say, you know, this is common sense.
This is the way the government ought to be run.
Well, because it's y'all.
It's the Heritage Foundation.
Reagan relied on you in 1980.
It's something you can rely on now.
Trump ain't exactly handed out copies of this one.
Why is he... I don't want to say... He hasn't expressed revulsion or been repelled by it.
It's just been a lot of comments from him saying, I didn't do that.
I don't even really know what it is.
What's that all about?
Well, look, I think he got mad over the fact that The Harris campaign, MSNBC, all these people were saying, oh, this was put together by the Trump campaign.
And his reaction to that was, well, I had nothing to do with this.
And he was angry that all these people were claiming that he did it.
Now, I think that he also probably hasn't had time to read any of it, given how busy he is, you know, not only campaigning, but fending off All these criminal prosecutions of the weaponized left that has been filed against them.
You know, what we hope happens is when a new president is elected, whether it's him or Kamala Harris, that they might actually take a real look at this and realize this actually is the way the federal government should be run.
There is something, and everybody should understand this, there's something vintage Trumpian about taking,
about his desire to think that every idea came either from his brain or a room he was in,
and there's no distaste for Project 2025 that is the basis for this.
I just think it's kind of an intellectual territoriality stuff, like if it's not mine,
like directly from me, it's kind of a step away, blah, blah, blah.
So listen, let's put all that aside and talk about what, so where do people get the material?
I mean, I think maybe my favorite one is the people who say that Project 2025,
I think, tell me if I'm overreaching, terminates the Constitution.
Wanna weigh in on that one?
Yeah, yeah, look, if you go to our, we actually set up a website called project2025.org
that lays out all the lies that have been told about this.
And look, it's not just us saying this.
One, folks can check it out for themselves.
There's no secret about this.
It's been up on our website since last year.
Plus, all these fact checkers from USA Today to CNN actually have been out there admitting That almost all the claims made about it are lies.
I mean, not just that it would get rid of the Constitution.
No, it's the exact opposite.
We're trying to bring the federal government back within the parameters of the Constitution instead of having a government that doesn't care about the rule of law and the restrictions on its power that are contained in the Constitution.
So I've fired up Project2025.org and here are all kinds of things.
Ban contraceptives, false.
End the Affordable Care Act, false.
Cut Social Security, false.
Oh my, here are a couple of things that are true.
Eliminate the Department of Education.
Well, yeah.
Not eliminate the federal money.
That goes down to the states and local school boards.
But why do we have this middleman who sucks in a lot of this money and tries to interfere with what local schools are doing?
The federal money appropriated by Congress ought to go directly to the states and local school boards.
They can decide the best use of that money.
And we don't need a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington.
Telling them, oh, you want this federal money?
Why then you have to let boys into girls' locker rooms.
You know, that's something the Biden administration actually has been doing, threatening loss of federal funds if schools don't do that.
In our last couple of minutes here, before we take a break and come back and talk a little election integrity, something you know something about, something you and John Fund wrote a book about, and something Heritage has a great website, gauge your own state on election integrity.
I'll give you a clue.
Number one, Tennessee.
Number 51, D.C.
is in there.
And it's not D.C.
D.C.' 's middle of the pack.
It's Hawaii, for crying out loud.
But to stay with us for a couple of minutes, you said let's not do anything with the money, just the Department of Education.
I kind of want to do something with the money.
I'd let every state run its own education system.
Why is one dime of my taxpayer money going to a school in Indiana?
Well, look, I don't disagree with that.
I think there are a lot of duplicative federal programs of all kinds.
That's something that needs to be looked at.
But the very first thing and most important thing to happen is to get rid of this department, which did not exist.
Until the Carter administration created it.
And folks need to remember this.
The federal government does not run a single school anywhere in the country.
Those are all run by local school boards.
Even the colleges are run by state government.
Why is the federal government interfering in this at all?
Hans von Spakowski is here, senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
We're going to take our pause and come back and sort of change... It's the same hat, really.
It's a lot of conservative wisdom coming from Hans.
And when he and John Fund wrote a book about what has been done to our elections, it was kind of a hallmark.
In my life.
And so we're going to talk about the ranking system that Heritage has put together.
And I'm going to send you to that actual website that Heritage has.
You can click on your state.
A number of things are graded from acceptance of voter ID to ballot custody issues, etc.
How did your state do?
How is your state doing on election integrity?
The good folks at Heritage are telling you how.
So Hans and I back in just a moment.
but Mark Davidson for Seb on America First.
You You
Welcome back to America first with Mark Davis Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. G. It'll be great to have you back tomorrow for the official pregame show of the vice presidential debate, How Might That Go?
Oh my, J.D.
Vance and Tim Walz, goodness gracious.
That's going to be a big part of the election that we all have to think about 36 days from now, right after the sting of 2020.
Our guests Hans von Spakovsky and John Funn wrote a wonderful book that you should still go get on Amazon or wherever.
called Our Broken Elections, How the Left Changed the Way You Vote.
So let's do a little election integrity, and I want to tell everybody about the Heritage website that measures each state and how it seems to be doing on election integrity.
In a timely development just a couple of moments ago, we had a guy on the phone who had said, Mark, you know, everything was fine in 2020.
And my very abbreviated answer to him was, no, it wasn't.
It'll never be a countable number.
No judge was ever going to bring a gavel down and say, hey, Trump did win Georgia.
That was never going to happen.
But rules and norms and procedures were shattered against the rocks due to COVID panic, mostly resulting in an unreliable tally.
How's that?
Well, in fact, that's what inspired us to put together our election integrity scorecard because of that kind of thing happening all over the country.
And look, a good example of this, which I think it's hard to argue with, is when, remember, Pennsylvania said if you're going to vote with an absentee mail-in ballot, it's got to be in by Election Day.
And yet, what did election officials and others there do?
Without authorization, violating state law, they suddenly changed the rules in the middle of the election, supposedly because of the pandemic, and said, oh, you know what?
You don't have to comply with that state law.
We'll continue to count ballots that come in after election day.
And that clearly was wrong.
They didn't have the ability to do that.
And all those ballots were counted.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
That is exactly what I meant with the gentleman.
I said a literally unknowable, uncountable number of votes were tabulated that should not have been.
That's just it.
Carry that on an endless loop with you.
And now carry this with you.
At Heritage.org, the Election Integrity Scorecard.
Just Google it.
Election Integrity Scorecard, and there's a little stylized map of the United States.
Some of the states in red, not doing well.
Some of the states in good, bold green, doing really, really well.
My state of Texas, that I'm fond of, didn't make the topmost echelon.
The District of Columbia, which I would think would be a hotbed of fraud, kind of middle of the pack.
So some interesting, surprising findings.
Give us a quick overview of how you guys calculated all this.
What we did is we came up with 50 different best practices criteria.
All the things we think states ought to be doing, all the things they should not be doing, and then we took us a whole year to review the laws and regulations of every single state and compare them to our best practices criteria.
A perfect score was 100.
No state in the country scored that.
I think at the time the highest was like an 82.
Now the highest score is a 90, led by Tennessee.
But look, there are other states that their scores are at the very bottom, you know, like in the 20s, which tells you they are not doing all the things they should to ensure they have honest elections.
Now keep in mind that This is all based on the laws and regulations.
Laws and regulations, no matter how good they are, don't do you any good if election officials and state officials don't actually comply with those laws and do what they are supposed to do.
That's a hard thing to judge, but we have an objective assessment of the rules in every state so you can see how good or how bad your state is.
As you said, Bottom of the list is Hawaii.
Worst state in the country.
Nevada's bad.
California's bad.
The top of the list, probably no surprise, are mostly Yeah, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, Indiana.
Indiana, good for them and the Hoosiers.
So with our remaining minute or so, there's no COVID panic to speak of really now.
So is there a cause for optimism for this result being more reliable than four years ago?
I think, Mark, overall we're in better shape this year than we were in 2020.
But again, as you can see, it depends on the state you're in.
Many states passed good reforms To improve the election process.
Remember what happened in 2020.
Huge increase in absentee balloting.
43% of the electorate.
We may get the same thing this year.
And so some states, in order to make those more secure, Texas is an example.
Georgia is an example.
They extended their voter ID law to absentee ballots.
That is a good thing.
Other states ought to do the same.
Indeed.
Well, listen, all kinds of recommendations, all kinds of scorecards there at Heritage, the Election Integrity Scorecard.
Hans von Spakovsky, Senior Fellow at Heritage, thank you, sir.
Appreciate it.
And Project2025.org to separate the wheat from the chaff on that document.
Thank you, Hans.
Appreciate it very, very much.
Alright, so let's grab a call or two, a final call or two if you're in the mood to knock out a hot issue or two with us.
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And a blast from the past, a quote from a gentleman showing you never let these people hold power.
I tell you what I mean, the subject is free speech.
Mark Davis filling in from North Texas, the Texas headquarters of the Salem Radio Network and SNC, Salem News Channel.
Whether you are listening or watching, we really, really appreciate you.
So we've gone through a lot of things and talked to a lot of people, welcomed a lot of guests, talked to a lot of callers.
Might do a couple more here before we're done.
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So the question properly arises, why in the world would I subject you to any time of the words of John Kerry.
Weren't we pretty well done with him?
Didn't we sort of show him the door 20 years ago this year?
Thank heaven in the Bush re-election.
That seems like a hundred years ago.
That was a very different George W. Bush.
Oh man, don't get me started.
He's a neighbor.
He was my governor.
We hung out a lot before he was president.
60 seconds on this and then I got a very special message for you and the little John Kerry audio talking about free speech and why he hates it and it's the kind of thing that you got to keep front of mind so that you don't let people with these views into power.
Will George W. Bush go full Dick Cheney, full Liz Cheney and flat out endorse Kamala?
Because you know he has no use for Trump.
That answer is no.
Somebody asked George W. Bush and said, will you be making an endorsement?
Will you endorse Trump?
And he said no.
He said he will not endorse anyone.
Okay, that is a hundred miles better than the flat-out stone-cold bizarreness of the Cheneys and the Jeff Flake and all the rest of these never-Trump weasels.
A non-endorsement is better than a flat-out endorsement of Kamala.
You know what it still says about you?
And I will always love the Bush family's heart for service and just many, many good things to say about everybody in the family.
But doggone it, man, this is a time to choose.
And a non-endorsement of Trump means you are willing to subject the country to the dangers of Kamala.
This is almost mathematical in its precision.
If you don't endorse Trump, it means you are willing to entertain a Kamala presidency, which is kryptonite to any conservatism.
Boom, there you go.
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OK, I hope you thank me for this, even though it involves dragging John Kerry back into your life.
Here he is at this coven at the World Economic Forum.
Don't get me started about these people.
But here's John Kerry.
Let's set him up where you can see him.
Keep me active.
Keep the mics open, because this is going to require some annotation by me.
As John Kerry waxes, I won't say eloquent, Actually, he waxes nostalgic about the old days when ivory towers that he could rely on kind of told us how to think.
Go!
And I think the dislike of and anguish over social media is just growing and growing and growing.
And it's part of our problem, particularly in democracies, in terms of building consensus around any issue.
It's really hard to govern today.
You can't, you know, there's no... The referees we used to have to determine what's a fact and what isn't a fact, they're kind of...
Yes, they have.
The referees.
Now, what referees might those have been?
Probably referees like the Washington Post and the New York Times.
And they have been.
The Post and the Times still exist, but so do countless conservative websites.
So do countless places to get news.
And again, liberal websites, conservative websites, populist websites, libertarian websites.
It is a glut of information that's out there.
And it is left to us.
It's left to us as grown-up consumers of information to make up our own minds about things.
And John Kerry and Kamala Harris absolutely hate this wild west of freedom that we have, where all kinds of people can say things, all kinds of people can assert things.
Is some of it nonsense?
Sure it is!
We're going to leave it up to you as grown-ups to figure that out.
That's why Elon Musk is such a hero.
Because Twitter no longer shuts down conservative speech as John Kerry wanted it to do.
Continue, sir.
People go and then people self-select where they go for their news or for their information.
And then you just get into a vicious cycle.
So it's really, really hard, much harder to build consensus today than at any time in the 45, 50 years I've been involved in this.
And, you know, there's a lot of discussion now about how you curb those entities in order to guarantee that you're going to have, you know, some accountability on facts, etc.
But look, if people go to only one... Curb the... Pause!
Curb those entities?
What entities are going to be curbed in John Kerry's ideal America?
Probably people saying things like I say!
Curbing those entities in order to achieve this golden consensus.
Listen, maybe consensus is harder to get when you don't have liberalism controlling the engines of all the major news sources, all
the newspapers, most of your TV networks.
You're darn right those entities have been curbed and about doggone time.
Strong finish there, John. Go for it.
The source they go to is sick and has an agenda and they're putting out disinformation.
Our First Amendment stands as a major block to the ability to be able to just hammer it out of existence.
So what you need... And pause.
We're done.
There we go.
Our First Amendment stands as a major block.
That doggone First Amendment.
Yes, it does.
It blocks the ability of fascists like John Kerry to force certain information sources on you while muzzling others.
I, for one, am thankful.
Mark Davidson for Dr. Gorka, we'll continue on America First on a Monday.
Thank you.
It is just a joy to hang out with Seb's team.
They are superb, and I want to thank all of them for making this so pleasant to me.
And listen, let's move.
Let's do lightning round through a couple of final calls and call it a day, shall we?
People's Republic of Maryland, where I have my college degree from.
Jim, welcome.
Nice to have you on America First.
Welcome.
Yes.
Hi, Mark.
It's been a while since I I called you on the phone when you were still here in Maryland.
Wow, thanks!
It was a crazy topic that I brought up, but it reminds me of this stench that comes from this administration and from Kamala's craziness and idiocy and really downright simply dumb, you know?
And I hope that a lot of my conservative friends That have been labeled like I've been labeled as a Latino, Mexican, American, Chicago.
You know, all that stuff has been planned ahead of time.
I think from my from my standpoint, the way I view it, because they wanted I know, of course.
I know.
Can I ask you a Maryland question?
Because I was talking about Republicans who have refused to endorse Trump like your Senate candidate Larry Hogan has, which makes me crazy.
It means he is willing to endure a Kamala presidency, but he, but I,
Angela also Brooks, who's running against him is an absolute Marxist.
So do you think that conservatives in Maryland will be able to kind of hold
their noses a little bit and give us that Republican Senate seat,
even if it's Larry Hogan?
Well, well, I'm holding my nose.
Uh, cause I actually shook hands with Larry Hogan when he first ran and I,
I didn't really know that much about him.
I just said, good, a Republican might get in.
Good.
And of course, when he got in, I found out little by little that he's kind of not only a middle of the road, but Definitely more of a liberal Republican.
He's not a dyed-in-the-wool conservative.
Not every state's going to give you Ted Cruz.
Anybody with an R by their name is better than anybody with a D by their name.
Period.
Paragraph.
Jim, thank you very, very much.
And speaking of gratitude, let me once again to Jeff and Eric and Alex and Guy and everybody in Seb's world, thank you guys for making this just a joy.
I'll be back at some point.
Over the phone rings.
I'll pick it up.
I'll be here.
Great to be here.
Matter of fact, for those of you along the Salem Radio Network and Salem News Channel World, I'm doing the Dennis Prager Show on Thursday and Friday, so you should just bump into me all the time.
And you can hear in DFW at 660amtheanswer.com.
That's where I do my morning show on the radio and there with all the web listening.
And follow me on Twitter at Mark Davis, M-A-R-K Davis, if you are so inclined.
So Seb is back tomorrow.
Tomorrow night is the vice presidential debate.
It should be a very good night for J.D.
Vance, which makes it a very good night for the Trump-Vance ticket, which makes it a very good day in the news cycle working toward an election that is five weeks away tomorrow.
Maybe we'll see each other between now and then on this show, various others.
I know we will.
Mark Davis in for Dr. G, who's back tomorrow.
God bless this great nation.
See you soon.
It's America first.
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