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Oct. 2, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: Was J.D. Vance too polite last night?

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	a lot of the battery technology, a lot of the supply chain for these electric vehicles is made in China.
	And with the one hand, Kamala Harris wants to make it harder to build that supply chain in the United States of America.
	And with the other hand, she wants to send money to an industry that's built in China.
	It's disgraceful.
	Hey, Jeff, I don't remember that clip from last night at the debate.
	Did I miss something? That's today, and you can tell he's got a little pep in his step.
	He feels good about himself. Vance is doing an event now?
	I mean, they just had a debate last night!
	Well, it's not like the Harris campaign where they do a week in between of events.
	They do them every day. How do we keep up?
	This is like, compare your commitment to America.
	No interviews for 40 days from Harris, from Tampon Tim, and then there's a debate with Vance, and he's already, where is he?
	Auburn Hills? He's doing an event right now with Americans?
	That's incredible. And what's happening on Saturday?
	I just registered.
	Yes, I will be there.
	Butler, Pennsylvania.
	The president is going back to the place he was shot in the head.
	Jeff, do you think it's going to be a big event?
	I would say so. That's going to be a good one.
	I think that little state, what is it, that little compound, I think it will have the most people they've ever seen in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	I'm going to drive there. I think I'm going to have to get there really early to get a good seat there.
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	Okay, let's start with last night.
	Let's do, what was the first one we said?
	Oh, maybe the funniest clip of the evening.
	Cut five. Governor Tim Walls.
	Governor, thank you. Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position.
	Why? Yeah, I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.
	I've become friends with school shooters.
	I've seen it. Eric, what did he say at the end there?
	I've become friends with? He, that was not, we didn't mishear that on a national scale.
	Tim Walz said, quote, I became friends with school shooters.
	And then afterwards, Jeff, he went to get some pizza with his wife?
	Yes. And I understand he was talking to journalists very happily, and then what happened?
	Yeah, the same journalists that are shouting right now he was talking to seconds before that.
	Weird. Let's listen to what happened right after the debate with the same Timmy Tim Wolves.
	Governor, you said you would become friends with school leaders during the debate.
	Can you clarify what you meant on that?
	I don't think so. Can you clarify what you meant when you said you'd be friends with school shooters?
	So I'm confused, Jeff.
	He was talking to exactly those journalists?
	Or friendly friendly?
	Yes. And then what? Did suddenly his hearing aids go off or what?
	They must have cut the mic like the debate when Vance was making a good point.
	But they were like 10 feet away.
	I know. And did you see him?
	He was very interested in the pizza.
	Is it that hard? You know what slice of pizza you want when you're that age.
	He's got to get out the magnifying glass.
	Yeah. He looks like he's buying a diamond ring.
	Can you just play that as B-roll?
	It's too funny. And Eric's cracking up.
	So he's out at the counter looking at the pizza with his wife.
	He's been chatting to the journalists.
	And the journalists say, did you actually say that you made friends with school shooters?
	And then he turns around, pats his wife, weird kind of thing.
	And then look at that. He's bending right over.
	Like, what is he? Is he looking for like maggots in the pizza?
	What's going on there, Eric? I'm a little confused.
	Yeah. He expects only the highest quality pizzas when he goes to get pizzas.
	So yeah, he might as well just pull out a magnifying glass and inspect it at that point.
	Or is he trying to find the Beijing-flavored Chinese pizza?
	Is that what he's looking for? I'm a little confused.
	Or maybe he's looking at which pizza he's just going to eat furiously hard to take out all of his anger at losing last night.
	But is he going to do it like the former mayor of New York?
	Who eats pizza backwards?
	Do you remember that? Do you remember that when Big Bird ate a pizza backwards?
	I think Waltz is such a madman, he might actually try to eat the pizza sideways.
	Okay, so what's the verdict last night?
	Is it important? I've got a brand new article on my sub-stack today.
	My take on was it important.
	Jeff, does it matter, moving needles here and there?
	And who quote-unquote won?
	I don't think so.
	Vance did a very good job.
	It's good that he didn't have anything to screw up that the media could talk about.
	That's what I think was the biggest success.
	Eric, your verdict?
	I expected, as I said yesterday, I expected JD to eat Waltz alive, but even I didn't think it would be that bad.
	I think even though there was no kill shot moment, Waltz.
	Waltz, Vance still dominated and Waltz performed so horribly, arguably even worse than Biden.
	At least Biden has an excuse.
	He's senile. What's Waltz's excuse?
	But I still agree overall. But J.D. was so polite the whole evening.
	He said, oh, thank you, Tim.
	And I agree with you, Tim.
	He was very, very polite and measured.
	A kill-em-with-kindness strategy, I think.
	But I do agree overall this debate won't move the needle at all.
	But, Eric, do you not understand it's the person who shows the greatest nervousness that is the victor?
	I mean, do you not understand being a great orator?
	I mean, if you're Cicero, if you're a Shakespearean orator, it's the one who sounds like they're crapping their pants who's the winner.
	Did you not understand that? The stuttering, the big bug eyes.
	Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's not me saying it.
	It's the great judge of oratorical skills, Chris Hayes.
	Let's listen to his verdict.
	Cut, Ted. Vance is a smooth stalker and very sort of, you know, he's kind of relaxed and deft in that kind of environment.
	Walsh was so clearly very nervous, which I always find very endearing and human when you can hear that little constriction in the throat.
	Kamala Harris's first answer in that last debate was the same way.
	You could just hear it. But I think ultimately, you know, on the sort of last...
	Exchange about the 2020 election, and particularly on some real meat and potatoes things, particularly in healthcare, I think Walls did a really, really good job on sort of driving the key themes of the campaign.
	So, Jeff, when you're dealing with Putin or the mullahs in Iran, it's the little constriction in the throat and the stumbling.
	That's what impresses, right?
	Yeah, it's endearing.
	I like how he says it's endearing.
	Yeah, it's like, okay, we won't bomb Israel because you sound nervous, Kamala.
	Yeah, but they won't because Putin knows she's from a mixed marriage, though.
	I forgot. Yeah, that's the advantage she has.
	And her giggle reassures him.
	That's what the KGB colonists say.
	The giggle makes him feel better.
	Yeah. Okay. One more clip from the mainstream lying prostitutes of the mainstream lying legacy media.
	Nicole Wallace on them.
	Peculiar take.
	I guess F-bombs are cool now.
	Cut 12. I agree with you that we're in year nine, and no one knows how to cover the audacity.
	The audacity is that someone should have said, stop it, stop, stop.
	Are you effing kidding me?
	And they should have dropped that F-bomb, right?
	I mean, they should have just...
	This is a debate.
	This may be the only chance people have to see the difference.
	And instead, I mean, I'll go back to my toothpicks.
	J.D. Vance just put one little toothpick on top of the other and said, and I'm for this, and I'm for this, and I'm so sorry those women died.
	They died because of Donald Trump.
	Alex, let's go to our in-house diplomat.
	The mark of true journalism is when the moderator drops a swear word.
	Isn't that right? I mean, in the history of journalism, that's when you're a real journalist.
	Yeah, that's it. What is it with the stacking toothpicks?
	I missed that. Is that an American thing?
	I'm not sure. I mean, I know I'm an immigrant, but what's this stacking toothpicks?
	Is that a great American tradition?
	I've actually never heard of that metaphor.
	I don't know. Anybody?
	Eric, Jeff, Guy, have we heard stacking toothpicks before?
	It's like a Jenga reference?
	I'm not sure. Nobody?
	Nobody? How strange.
	Maybe they're just amazingly powerful brains.
	Nicole Wallace, I don't think anybody in her lifespan has ever said that of her.
	All right, guys, enough humor.
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	The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it.
	Kamala Harris has a record.
	250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA. May I respond to that?
	Yes. So, I appreciate that.
	So, if you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.
	And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show.
	No, that's a gross generalization.
	So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you've got a tough job here.
	Because you've got to play whack-a-mole.
	You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.
	You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
	And then you've simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.
	Wow, he's in a tough position, isn't he, little Timmy?
	He's got to hide the fact that under President Trump, the economy was humming, and then justify that Kamala has created the mess for the last three and a half years.
	Maybe no mic drop kill shot last night rhetorically, but yeah, little Timmy looked very, very nervous.
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	So, he was very polite last night.
	JD was very polite. He was a quiet killer last night in that way.
	I thought... Shaved you without you realizing.
	Totally objective. It's tough to be objective because I'm a huge fan of center bands.
	But you're a trained lawyer like he is, right?
	So give us your appraisal of the tactics.
	What you saw there is somebody who's smart, polished, tough, knowledgeable, and trained versus a train wreck.
	Have you been rehearsing that?
	No, it's on the spot.
	It's on the spot. That was beautiful. Train versus train wreck.
	That's the title for this segment.
	Just like it's competence versus gross incompetence, Donald Trump, President Trump's and J.D. Vance's competence versus Kamala and Tampon Tim's gross incompetence.
	It was trained versus train wreck.
	And what you saw, the strongest moments were the facts.
	And by the way, I don't know if everybody should have already seen this, but if you have not, go to President Trump's truth account and read the play-by-play from last night.
	It is a beautiful combination of political commentary and humor.
	He destroyed the liberals.
	But I thought some of the strongest moments for J.D. were when he looked in the camera and he said, let's talk about the facts.
	Yeah. Inflation was low, we had a strong southern border, and we had a strong economy, and we didn't have wars all over the world.
	You can't argue with that.
	And then, the craziest moment I think I've ever seen in the history of debates, this made Richard Nixon in the 60s debate look like Winston Churchill, is when Tampon Tim says, oh yeah, I'm friends with school shooters.
	Oh, we played that already. I thought I was going to say that I'm a knucklehead, because I can't remember any politician.
	Ever from the debate stage saying, I'm a knucklehead.
	Well, that was him trying to skirt around the fact that he lies about everything.
	So knucklehead means liar.
	Why in the world?
	Unless he really is a knucklehead fill-in-the-blank, he's just an idiot.
	Why would he say he's friends with school shooters?
	Well, yeah.
	Twice. And then afterwards, not answer the journalists who are asking him.
	Is it true?
	I guess we have to think about his word.
	Is he hiding? Is he hiding something?
	Which school shooters is he friends with?
	Not vice presidential material.
	I'm disappointed in you, Baron, because...
	Clearly, you're a member of the elite, and you're just thinking...
	I thought you were going to say member of the tribe.
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	I am 7% Jewish, by the way.
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	You know what? That's why my whole family says, say hi to Sebastian.
	You're one of us.
	Well, clearly, I mean, you know, if you work in the White House, I'm a pretty bad Nazi, but if I'm Jewish as well, but I'm 6% Scottish, so I can wear a yamlka and a kilt.
	Does that go together? It's a great combination.
	I mean, it's scotch and cigars.
	All right, so clearly you're just a member of the elite like the New York Times because, well, this is the analysis from that mental giant Joe Scarborough from last night, Cut 9.
	The thing that elites make the most fun of, the fact that Bush talks like a regular guy, that Bush is not a smooth talker, his syntax is a little off.
	He said what the elites at the New York Times and the Washington Post don't understand is.
	That's why regular guys like Bush so much.
	And you can say the same thing about Joe Biden.
	But you look at the favorable unfavorables after the debate.
	And you just kind of wonder if they're looking at the Ivy League guy and seeing what a smooth talker he was.
	And then the regular guy who, again, stumbled around a little bit.
	Was nervous, but they're thinking, yeah, who wouldn't be nervous?
	And maybe that's why his favorabilities went up so much.
	I don't know. I mean, it's kind of like when you and I talk.
	The elites just don't like regular guys.
	Do you understand, Barron?
	Come on! Can we just even try to unpack the morning Mika show?
	Just for a second, okay? First of all, how much do those two make for a show that's watched by about four people, okay?
	And from their basement that they're pretending is in D.C. Exactly.
	They're in New York. They're making millions and millions of dollars from MSNBC that's owned by Comcast.
	And the guy who, I don't know who the gentleman was, but clearly the gentleman in a tailored suit with a pocket square and the books behind him is not a member of the elite.
	No, no, no.
	I think all those guys were Dick's sporting goods before they went over to the studio, you know?
	They're linemen. Yeah, yeah, just, you know, they're union guys.
	No, no, no, you know why they're there?
	Because they're striking longshoremen and women.
	Longshoremen. They're striking. It's the blue glass.
	That's what it is. Yeah, that's what it is.
	This thing is so ridiculous.
	MSNBC is literally the, like, the ground zero of the elites of the elites of the elites.
	And it's not just what regular guys like.
	I know what regular guys like.
	Regular guys, regular Americans, all Americans like honest people.
	Yeah. They like the truth. That's it.
	And they like gasses. It's 180 a gallon.
	Like low gas. And you know what else?
	They kind of prefer a border that's secure and closed where terrorists don't just come through by the tens of millions.
	You mean it's bad to let 13,000 murderers into America?
	You know what? I think regular guys would say yes.
	But what would the elites say? The elites...
	By the way, to think that J.D. Vance, with his background, where he comes from, is somehow representative of the elites...
	It's okay, because Tim Walsh said, none of my school children ended up in Yale, which he's proud of that.
	Let me tell you something real quick. You know, Solomon's in third grade, he's going to go to fourth grade.
	If I walked into a school and that guy was my kid's fourth grade teacher, my kid's not going to that class, okay?
	Because he lives in the real world.
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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Meaning seven is probably at the great-grandfather level.
	But 46% is Central and Eastern Europe, so it's probably around there.
	So, you know, one of your...
	No, it's not too far away.
	One of your great-grandparents went slumming in the shuttles.
	Mazel Tov.
	That's great stuff.
	All right, you can crank it up.
	All right, so what have we got to do with Boris next?
	We did...
	seven. We did...
	nine. We did ten.
	Yeah, yeah, totally.
	Totally, totally, totally. Okay, I'll tee it out.
	I'll tee up three. This is fun.
	Now listen, but here's the thing.
	Kill it. Kill it. Kill it.
	Kill it.
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	We're lucky to have him in the swamp here in the studio because for the next 42 days, he's going to be a busy...
	33 days, he's going to be a busy beaver.
	Right, right, right. We're in a chronic history.
	For the next month, he's going to be a busy beaver, but we'll try to get him to call in wherever he is with the president.
	But I just mentioned China, and perhaps this was the toughest moment when he sweated the most yesterday.
	Tim Walsh has a very strange answer about our biggest communist foe.
	Cut three. Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?
	No, just, all I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this, so I will just, that's what I've said.
	So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in, and from that I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.
	Thank you, Governor. So two things.
	He repeatedly said he was in China during the massacre of the pro-democracy protesters, but he wasn't, and he arrived in Hong Kong, which isn't mainland China, five months later, but he repeated it.
	In 1989, and I don't think I'm misthinking, because time all does exist at the same time.
	China wasn't in control of Hong.
	It was that other... Don't get technical!
	It was that other place. It's pretty cool.
	You kind of have the accent. What is that?
	British Isles, UK. Yeah, they controlled it, right?
	The Queen. You're getting technical.
	Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, Tim Walz doesn't know about that.
	But the last part...
	I learned a lot from how to govern...
	What? By people being machine-gunned down?
	What does Tim Wolfe say? It ended on June 4th, I believe.
	What? How to be a communist dictator?
	The guy's just a psychopath.
	Here's the bottom line. I mean, you know, in the old days, people said that you voted for the politicians you would want to spend time with.
	You and I are both honored to know that Donald Trump, President Trump, is the best.
	President Trump is the best person to spend time.
	He's hilarious. He's caring.
	He's kind. His iPad with the music on the balcony.
	The music's great. The food's great.
	It's amazing. That's why he's the best host in the world.
	Look at all the property.
	Look at all the great golf clubs and the hotels and everything else.
	Who would ever want to spend any time with Kamala?
	And then that guy, I wouldn't let my kid hang out with him.
	That guy's a weird person.
	I want nothing to do with him.
	With this inspiration, I'm going to write an article.
	Because this is the question.
	Who would you want to spend time with?
	I wouldn't let Biden walk my dog.
	I wouldn't want to be in the same building with Waltz and Kamala.
	This should be the metric, right?
	No, the laugh. It's so invigorating, her laugh.
	Well, if you're a KGB colonel.
	By the way, can we talk a little bit about the second, apparently not so much gentleman?
	Oh, you mean the guy who...
	Hang on. This is amazing.
	The person they're portraying as a really cool exemplar of masculinity, Doug Emhoff, Got his nanny, his child's nanny, pregnant.
	Apparently paid for the abortion.
	Unclear. We don't know.
	Unclear. And then slapped his girlfriend around in front of three witnesses.
	No, no, no. In front of three witnesses she called at the Cannes Film Festival while being hammered.
	Hang on, let me just be clear.
	This is Kamala Harris' husband.
	Doug. Dougie!
	Dougie! This is that nice Dougie, and everybody loves Dougie.
	Here's the thing about Dougie.
	Dougie seems like he's an awful human being.
	And you know what I always say? This is what the liberals do, right?
	They build these people up, just like, hey, that's what they do.
	They build up these people, and they're like, hey, diddy, just saying.
	But maybe they've got something. They build up these guys and they say, hey, this guy is so great.
	Doug is, I was told that Doug is now my model for masculinity.
	Guess what? Not so much.
	Getting nannies pregnant is the Democrat standard.
	Not so much, second gentleman.
	All right, we've got 30 seconds left with the Baron.
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	First up, let's go to the city of brotherly love.
	Line one, Nancy.
	Greetings, Dr. G. Greetings, Nancy.
	What would you like to talk about last night?
	A little bit, yes. Do it!
	I think the new slogan for the Democrat Party should be vote for K and K, Kamala and the knucklehead.
	One of our loyal listeners texted me in the break and said the following.
	Since he has identified himself as a knucklehead, shouldn't we just call him President Trump, J.D. Vance, shouldn't we just call him the knucklehead from now on?
	I think so, yes.
	I think we have his permission.
	I mean, he did it first. Yes.
	In any event, you know how people always say that no one votes for the vice president?
	Yes. But I think it's even more meaningful now for two reasons.
	Number one, the only reason that Kamala, who I think of as Eve from the movie The Three Faces of Eve, is the unelected Democrat nominee, is because she was slid in as vice president.
	And second of all...
	Knucklehead China Walls said during the debate, well, you know, Donald Trump is almost 80 years old, implying, you know, that he's just too old and he might drop over.
	Yeah, yeah. Did you see what Ann Coulter said last night?
	I did not. She said J.D. Vance is so impressive.
	What is the life expectancy of a 78-year-old man?
	She basically wished President Trump to die.
	Well, China Walls is no spring chicken himself.
	Yeah, but what do you think of her wishing death upon President Trump?
	Well, of course, that's disgusting.
	Okay. Yeah. God bless you, Nancy.
	Let's go to Dayton, Ohio.
	Line 2, Dick. Hi, Sebastian.
	In regard to last night, I thought J.D. Vance was really on target, you know, talking about America and talking about where he was from.
	It was one of the better, I think, speeches, but I just lulled and Did you like Norah O'Donnell or Margaret Brenneman last night?
	Why would I? They're prostitutes for the mainstream media.
	And they're supposed to not be fact-checking, and they try and fact-check Vance, and he utterly destroys Brennan.
	We'll play that with our good friend Jennifer Horne.
	Why? Were you impressed?
	No. No, I wasn't.
	No. No.
	But I'll tell you what.
	I'm hoping. I'm like you.
	You got my support.
	I want President Trump...
	It can't be sooner for me, Sebastian.
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	Let's go to Ray in Indiana, Line 3.
	Yes. I would just like to expand on a campaign slogan that I think would be useful.
	We've heard it a lot.
	I forget which president started it or candidate, but are you better off than you were four years ago?
	Reagan. That was Reagan. Reagan, right.
	And then I would like to say, is the country better off than it was four years ago?
	And is the world better off than it was four years ago?
	That's interesting. That's interesting.
	That's interesting. Well, yeah, for the second question to have any efficacy, you have to want the country to be better off, but I like it.
	So you want to take the, are you better off than you were four years ago?
	And then add, is the nation better off?
	And is the world better off?
	So you want to make it like a three-part question.
	Yes. I think that's actually good.
	I think that's actually good. Stay on the line, Ray, and we'll give you...
	What have we got on the website?
	Eric, we've got the butler hats, the butler t-shirts, we've got the yard signs.
	What should we offer to Ray?
	Or the butler mug?
	What should we do? Oh, I was going to suggest, since Ray made such a good point...
	Maybe the cigars?
	Oh my gosh! Are you serious?
	That's a lot of money, dude!
	That's a lot of... Gosh!
	Jeff, is Ray a friend of Eric's?
	Is this like a setup? What's going on here?
	I think so. Eric's going to be split in the box with him, probably.
	Yeah, he might be having to pay for half of that.
	I want to check the address where it's going.
	Alright, yeah, we'll check the address, see if it's anywhere near the swamp.
	Stay on the line. We'll find out if Ray is a cigar smoker.
	If he is, then...
	Then we'll get him a box of cigars.
	Otherwise, we'll give him...
	Ooh, yes.
	It's got to be the Butler mug.
	I love the Butler...
	Oh, this mug. It's here.
	It's on my desk. Fight, fight, fight.
	Fight, fight, fight. Ray might want to have that one.
	Work it out, Jeff, and make sure that address isn't the address of somebody called Eric.
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	Think of Trump.
	Don't slide headfirst into me.
	I'm a Donald Trump guy.
	I know my publisher ain't, but I am.
	You know, I mean, he's doing good for the country.
	I mean, he's outspoken.
	Is he your kind of guy? Yeah, he's my kind.
	I used to know him when I played for the Phillies in Atlantic City.
	He was there every night. And what was he like then?
	He's a great guy. I had a meeting one time at Trump Tower.
	Jeff, who's that? That's Pete Rose.
	And who's Pete Rose? He is the all-time hit leader in Major League Baseball.
	And we just lost him, right?
	Yes, two days ago. Age 83.
	Yep. Why don't more people do what he just did and talk about President Trump publicly if they know him and they're famous?
	Because he doesn't care.
	And I almost... It's funny, the other day when you asked me about him, he was probably the only person I would say who was...
	Almost as competitive as Donald Trump.
	That's what I almost told you. Oh, really?
	Yes. Yes.
	So there's that commonality.
	Yes. Who else has done that?
	There's the UFC guy, and that's about it, right?
	It's Dana White. In sports, that's it, right?
	No, a lot of the ex-players do, but it's the guys that are the older guys.
	They're like in their 60s and 70s now, don't care.
	They just don't care. All right, rest in peace, the great MLB. Legend, Pete Rose.
	Let's go to our poet laureate of the airwaves.
	Brent in Los Angeles, line four.
	A blessed and transcendent New Year, great Gorka.
	Are you eating a lot of honey?
	I will be.
	I got three jars of honey from one of my Orthodox colleagues in the White House.
	I'm very excited. Oh, beautiful.
	And I just wanted to say, for this sundown, a universal holiday for all humanity, Rosh Hashanah begins.
	And Rosh Hashanah commemorates and celebrates the birth of Adam and Eve, and so begins the purpose of humanity and our relationship with God and His holy commandments.
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	And if we honestly and seriously choose to dedicate our lives to Him, He will most certainly be with us in all things.
	I love it. I love it. We need not just personal rededication, but we need a rededication of our nation.
	But that can only happen if the right person wins on November the 5th, and it's up to us.
	So right now, redouble our efforts.
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	I used to like that song.
	Great lyrics.
	But then Linda Carter went full Kamala.
	What do I do?
	Let's ask the woman for whom we use that liner from Wonder Woman, the one and only Jennifer Horne, the co-host, along with my muse of the superlative podcast, the Happy Women podcast.
	Subscribe today and make sure you're following Jennifer at Jennifer Horne, crntalk.com, the host of The Morning Answer, AM 870, AM 590, The Answer.
	What do you do with people who you liked and go woke?
	Give me some advice, Jennifer Horne.
	You know, I'm so upset.
	That's my theme. Why would she have to ruin it with her dumb politics?
	I know. What is wrong with people?
	I know. Seriously, how dare she?
	I was thinking about that.
	I know. I was just thinking this morning.
	I was driving into work, and I always like to play bingo on my radio dial and listen through things.
	And I'm a country music fan, and so I was listening to Only in America, which is a Brooks and Dunn song, and I started thinking President Trump uses this one a lot.
	And I thought how weird it is that artists are really, and actors included, are willing to isolate 50% of the country by saying to somebody, Donald Trump, you can't play my song at your rally.
	Or Linda Carter coming out with her full-throated endorsement of Kamala Harris.
	Or Taylor Swift, for that matter, apparently has lost, what, 4 million-plus followers on our social media platform?
	Oh, and Netflix. Have you seen the record cancellations of Netflix after their CEO dropped 8 million on Kamala?
	This is what I'm getting at.
	Like, I don't know.
	Does it make great business sense?
	Like, I know everybody wants to have a platform and everybody wants to be able to say what they think.
	But I think back to Ed McMahon, who I think was one of the greatest, actually the greatest sidekick.
	I mean, just, he was amazing on The Tonight Show.
	And I got to know Ed later in life.
	And he would never talk about politics publicly because he didn't want to isolate the country.
	And so I really have this, I'm very curious, and I'm sorry to, like, hoodwink, but I think this is interesting.
	You're sorry to walk?
	To bring this conversation up and take over your show.
	Did you say hoodwink?
	I did. I said hoodwink.
	I don't mean to hoodwink you. What does that mean?
	You don't know what a hoodwink is?
	I know. Being hoodwinked is being tricked, but I don't understand.
	Tricked. I don't know. It was a bad word.
	Okay? I'm Tim Walsh. Whatever.
	Here it is. This is what I cannot get over.
	You are now listening to the Jennifer Horne Show.
	This is actually my mind, my internal dialogue.
	So is it right to tell people what you think?
	Because that's what we would tell Trump supporters.
	Be brave, be bold, say what you think.
	But at the same time, if you're in Hollywood and you have all of this money and all of these people that you rely on for your own fame, is it really that smart to isolate 50% of the country?
	Is the Ed McMahon model right?
	What do you think? It depends what the stakes are.
	And if it's 20 million illegals, if it's 12-year-olds being raped and murdered, I think there's a point at which you've got to get off the fence.
	I truly believe.
	I truly believe. Let's talk about that for a second.
	I was sent this earlier today and I congratulated Corey Lewandowski.
	Have you seen what happened between Billy O'Costa and Corey on CNN? I have not.
	Wow. Okay, I love when you drop these on me.
	All right. So this, this is superb because this tells you the reality of the America we live in.
	Cut 13. Why do you guys say Kamala?
	It's Kamala Harris.
	I just... Jim, we know that they're committing crimes against Americans.
	Why can't these individuals talk about the individuals who've been killed by illegal immigrants?
	13,099 murderers have been led into this country by this administration's own accounting, and you guys don't want to talk about it.
	I've got the letter here with the letterhead of the Department of Homeland Security, which was sent to Congress with the tables of every single rapist, murderer, convict led into this country under Kamala Harris.
	This isn't a campaign document.
	This is Homeland Security.
	And Corey lists the number, 13,000 murderers.
	And Abilio Jimacosta says, why are you mispronouncing Kamala's name?
	That's everything you need to know.
	everything, right?
	Because they don't care about the issues.
	And this is what that campaign is talking about now, right?
	They don't want to talk about the issues.
	They don't want to talk about the results of their administration for the last four years.
	They want to try to sell you a dream of joy.
	They want to try to make you feel good with your vote because they have nothing substantive.
	They only have fake feelings that they're trying to roll onto people and to make them feel the same thing.
	Instead of using your brain and going, 13,000 murderers are brought into this country.
	Half a million convicted criminals have been let into the country.
	And I think what's even more frustrating is instead of Jim Acosta worrying about how to say Kamala's name right, the question would be, how did we get to this point?
	Why? And by the way, do we lie to the American people about the numbers of people that are convicted criminals coming into the country?
	Because remember, the administration has been talking about how everything's fine, no problems, nothing to see here.
	Well, clearly that's wrong.
	And now we have it in black and white.
	And boy, Jim Acosta never ceases to amaze, does he?
	Yeah, probably the biggest pile of filth in the mainstream media.
	There were no real mic drop moments last night, but it has to do with the border.
	And it was the most important thing for me because not enough conservatives have explained the shell game of how Tim Walsh says, oh, well, there are less illegals coming into America than under Trump.
	I guess, you know, he thinks you're really stupid.
	But God bless J.D. Vance.
	Because he told the world last night how they're letting millions into America illegally.
	Let's play the most important cut of the evening.
	This is Cut 8.
	Just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.
	Well, Margaret, but... Senator, we have so much to get to.
	I think it's important because...
	We're going to turn out of the economy.
	Thank you. The rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check.
	And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
	So there's an application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
	That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.
	Thank you, Senator. That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
	We have so much to get to, Senator.
	Those laws have been on the books since 1990.
	Thank you, gentlemen. The CBT has not been on the books since 1990.
	It's something that Kamala Harris created for.
	Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
	We have so much we want to get to.
	Thank you for explaining the legal process.
	So they killed the Mikes because J.D. Vance explained the illegals clear themselves into the country and therefore magically become legals, Jen.
	Yeah, and I thought that moment was maybe one of J.D.'s best moments.
	I thought he was incredibly strong, and I think he accomplished a lot of the goals that the campaign had set out for him with likability and trying to reach women.
	I think he did a really good job with that.
	But those women were the definition of an out-of-touch elitist media that is happy to just be condescending and say thanks for explaining the law, Senator, when we should be truly concerned about what's going on here and how this administration has been lying to the American people for the last four years.
	Thank God J.D. Vance had a chance to do that before the microphones were silenced.
	I hope some people actually heard him and were able to look into that because I really believe, Dr. G., that there are a lot of people who have no idea.
	They just believe what the media pushes.
	They believe what Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have said.
	Thank God he had that opportunity, and I'm glad he took it.
	I'm glad he was able to commandeer for a bit to actually talk about what's really happening and how people are doing this.
	Yeah, congratulations, J.D. You were very polite last night.
	We'll give you that. And you did manage to get your opponent to call himself a knucklehead.
	So from now on, he's officially the knucklehead.
	But the CBP1 app explanation was absolutely crucial.
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	To be continued...
	Jen? How much do I trust my team?
	I trust my team. Why?
	Would you give them your phone unlocked?
	Oh, no. You trust your team.
	Well, I have to. I've got two flat tires on my Mustang, and I've got a flat loader coming to pick it up right now.
	How did you get two flats?
	I was tired 10 o'clock at night, came back to the studio, and I forgot the parkway was closed for our exit, so I did a left-hand turn too quickly and hit the curb.
	So it was you.
	It wasn't like someone was targeting you.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	It was totally me. But I now have to give Jeff my unlocked phone for the next 40 minutes.
	See, here's the thing, though.
	I'd give Dan Dan my phone.
	I would really worry about Hot Chocolate Jose.
	Ooh. What would he order?
	What would Hot Chocolate Jose order with your phone?
	Hot chocolate. That's his favorite.
	That's why we call him that. But is it good, or is it quality hot chocolate, or is it like, you know, Commoner Gardens?
	No. Well, the funny thing is that typically I will buy the crew coffee bean and tea leaf.
	Like, you know, maybe a couple times a month, whatever.
	And so I'll always ask them what they want, and everybody always puts their order in.
	And really, no one on our team drinks coffee, which is so funny to Grant and to me.
	That is weird! Because we're so early in the morning, and nobody drinks coffee.
	And so every time I'd ask Jose what he wanted, he'd always say, hot chocolate, hot chocolate.
	And so Grant's like, we're just going to call you hot chocolate Jose.
	That's all you ever want.
	That's all he would ever order.
	So it's stuck, and it's decent, I think.
	What? Good stuff? I think it's decent.
	Yeah, I think it's fine from coffee.
	I already have your Twitter password, though.
	I could do much more damage with that than ordering it.
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	And for the last two days, I have only eaten dinner, and I've drank four coffees instead during the day.
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	I lost eight pounds in two days.
	This is the thing with men.
	I swear, you guys can just close your eyes and not look at food for a few days, and it's amazing.
	I just drank my hot chocolate, my PhD hot chocolate.
	That's what I do. Oh, good stuff.
	Katie cannot do that.
	If Katie doesn't eat every three hours, she becomes like, you can't live with her.
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	She gets hangry. We're hangry.
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	We are returning to the vice presidential debate yesterday with our good friend Jennifer Horne.
	Follow her right now at jenniferhorncrntalk.com.
	And here is just really a fact-based reason for why President Trump should be in the White House once more.
	Cut for... The U.S. did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program and President Trump did exit that deal.
	He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S. must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible.
	Did he make a mistake?
	You have one minute.
	Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.
	Now, we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.
	But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
	It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.
	So, Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets.
	But effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.
	Donald Trump has already done it once before.
	Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?
	The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.
	So, Jen, there's war.
	I can't believe I'm saying that.
	There's war between Iran and Israel in 2024, in October, but it's my former boss's fault.
	Yeah, I thought that was actually the starting moment for me.
	That was really the beginning of the debate, and that was actually when I texted you and my Happy Women podcast partner, Katie Gorka, about how good J.D. Vance looked, and that's because he was able to connect Kamala Harris to We're good to go.
	Under Donald Trump, we had peace.
	We had prosperity. Iran knew what their parameters were.
	And now, under your administration, under Harris's leadership and Biden's leadership, we have all of the problems that we do.
	And I was just happy to see him do that finally, because no one has been connecting Kamala's record to what's really going on.
	She doesn't get a pass.
	She is the incumbent.
	And that's what I thought J.D. Vance was most successful at last night.
	Was he too polite?
	I was just going to ask you that because on the morning answer this morning, my partner Grant Stinchfield, you might know, he's a little edgy.
	You know, we call him Five Grit Grant every once in a while.
	It's the elevated testosterone.
	That's the issue. I know.
	I came in and I was like, wow, JD did a great job.
	I was very neutral on JD. I hadn't given much thought to anything, but I was really happy with his performance last night.
	And Grant was like, it was okay.
	He clearly won, but he had so many opportunities, which he did.
	He did have opportunities to hit harder on Tim Walz.
	But I think J.D.'s goal last night was to reach female voters, to reach those undecideds that don't like the rough and tumble style of Donald Trump.
	He wasn't there for the Grant Stinchfield audience.
	He wasn't because the Grant Stinchfields and the Sebastian Gorkas are already voting for Donald Trump.
	He was there to show a different perspective.
	And that's why I think he did such a great job, because he was able to show that he was well thought out, that he was smart.
	He answered every question, but he also was able to reset the narrative a bit that the mainstream media is trying to give Kamala Harris a pass for the last four years.
	I don't know if you've shared this clip.
	I've been waiting to play this since I got back from my three days off.
	But what is the threat?
	This is the threat.
	Remember, this is one of Biden's.
	This is one of the Clinton, Eminence Grise individuals.
	This is John Kerry at the World Economic Forum talking about the vision of the Democrats for America.
	And it's shocking. Cut 14.
	But look, if people go to only one source and the source they go to is sick and has an agenda and they're putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands as a major block to the ability to be able to just hammer it out of existence.
	So what we need is to Is to win the ground, win the right to govern by hopefully winning enough votes that you're free to be able to implement change.
	Now obviously there are some people in our country who are prepared to implement change in other ways.
	You're questioning really if democracy can survive unregulated social media?
	I think democracies are very challenged right now and have not proven they can move fast enough or big enough to deal with the challenges that we are facing.
	And to me, that is part of what this race, this election is all about.
	Will we break the fever in the United States?
	The threat to democracy, Jen, is the First Amendment.
	Right. Leftists will always tell you who they are, and we just have to listen.
	That statement by John Kerry literally sent a shiver of my spine when I heard it for the first time.
	They don't want us to have freedom of speech.
	The First Amendment does threaten them, because if we're allowed to talk, if we're allowed to connect with one another, If we're allowed to exchange ideas, then they can no longer be in control.
	And COVID was the test ground for them to kind of expedite this idea of a world where we're all sitting at home on our couch, not connected with anybody else, not allowed to go to church, not allowed to go to restaurants, not allowed to do anything, and not allowed to say anything about it on social media.
	They have more power.
	The government can have more power if we do not get to exercise our First Amendment rights.
	And I'm telling you right now, that statement made me so thankful for the bravery, which I think is brave of Elon Musk to risk a lot of his money and a lot of his wealth to stand up for free speech.
	And I'm not willing to give the same endorsement to Zuckerberg yet, although it seems he's moving in a different direction.
	We are not the country that we love if we let John Kerry and the ideology that speech is somehow threatening to people rule the day.
	And boy, the election, if you needed to have anybody on the fence make any decisions, there it is.
	Listen to this sagacious lady.
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	Sooner or later, the left tells you who they really are.
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	can I ask you, when is your...
	The answer is no.
	Hard to hear that.
	That's Air Force One. What was the question, Eric, that they were asking the current commander-in-chief?
	And what was his response?
	He doesn't support what? He doesn't support Israel's right to defend itself against Iranian attacks, apparently.
	Wow. Can you play that as B-roll in the background?
	Did you notice the most important thing there?
	He said not only he doesn't support Israel's attacking Iranian nuclear sites.
	Jeff, what's in the back of the image there?
	What is the entrance to Air Force One?
	Which entrance is that? You picked that one up?
	Yeah. That's the one in the belly.
	That's the baby steps, right?
	Yes, exactly. That's for the kiddies?
	Yeah. Why isn't he using the presidential staircase?
	Because he can't walk up to them anymore.
	That's why. He fell a couple times, if you remember.
	Probably a good reason. All right.
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	It is an obsession of the left, killing the unborn.
	But last night, J.D. Vance did a good job.
	And here's the first part of the question.
	Play cut. But as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.
	That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice.
	That is fundamentally barbaric.
	And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen...
	Do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?
	Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.
	We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family.
	But please... How did J.D. do?
	And what about Waltz's response?
	No better guest to analyze than the National Director for Peace for Life.
	He's in the studio.
	Father Frank Pavone, welcome back to America.
	It is always great to be with you, Seth.
	Thanks for having me. So we teed it up, the first part.
	Now let's listen to Governor Waltz's response, and then you'll give us the analysis.
	Play Cut 16. Look, this is one where there's always something there.
	This is a very simple proposition.
	These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions and the physicians who know best when they need to do this.
	Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.
	But what was I wrong about, Governor? Please tell me, what was I wrong about?
	That is not the way the law is written.
	Look, I've given this...
	But how? I've given this advice on a lot of things, getting involved, getting engaged.
	That's been misread, and it was fact-checked at the last debate.
	But the point on this is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.
	I use this line on this.
	Just mind your own business on this.
	Things worked best when Roe v.
	Wade was in place. When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best.
	That doesn't preclude us.
	From increasing funding for children, it doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals.
	They get early childhood education.
	They get health care.
	So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.
	She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.
	I asked a specific question, Governor.
	You gave me a slogan as a response.
	It's not the case. It's not true.
	That's not what the law says.
	So he fact-checked it with President Trump.
	Meals for children after they're born?
	Who disagrees with that?
	Right. So two people, two human beings go into the abortion clinic.
	Right. One comes out.
	And his response is, quote, mind your own business.
	Yeah. Yeah. You know, Seb, we're not having an honest debate about abortion in this country.
	I always say to the Democrats, describe what you defend.
	They like to say they're defending their right to choose.
	They never describe what an abortion is.
	That's the first point. You see how he talks about it?
	As if it's just a matter of women's health, women and their physician, women's autonomy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like...
	If you reduce the whole debate to one dimension, and that is the woman's health.
	None of us have anything against women's health or reproductive rights as such.
	What we have something against is killing a baby.
	He doesn't even want to admit there's a second part to the debate, a second element of the equation.
	This is so important. Who's against women's health?
	Right. Who?
	In America. Exactly.
	Exactly. A woman can be healthy after the baby is born.
	They're not less healthy.
	Mm-hmm. But there's one fewer human being if there's an abortion.
	The killing of the baby is one thing they keep ignoring.
	The second part is the negative impact of abortion on women's health.
	I mean, there are bibliographies this thick.
	The psychological impact.
	Exactly. And we deal with that all the time.
	Emotional. You know our Silent No More campaign.
	Women are speaking out about this all the time.
	Tim Walz doesn't want to hear it.
	The Democrats don't want to hear it.
	And that thing about the babies being born alive, J.D. Vance is exactly right.
	In fact, it's not just a Tim Walz problem.
	It's a Democrat Party problem.
	Because for years, just down the street in the United States Capitol, The Republicans tried to increase on the federal level the protection that babies have if and when, because it sometimes happens, that they're born alive after a failed abortion.
	The Democrats didn't even want to have a vote on it, much less pass it.
	Why would we want to protect a baby that's been born?
	Why not? Of course, the ultimate reason is that undermines the so-called choice of abortion, but they won't do it.
	We will continue. Endabortion.us, endabortion.us.
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	We cannot forget that.
	Rather, we continue to increase pressure.
	That's what we have seen. Our extensive sanctions on Iran remain in place, and we certainly will continue to enforce them.
	And you heard from the National Security Advisor.
	You heard what he said today.
	Iran's oil exports have reached record levels now.
	One report showing 3.2 million barrels per day, according to OPEC. That's about $90 billion a year.
	So when do we cut off that revenue?
	We have not lifted a single sanction.
	If anything, as I said moments ago, we increase pressure.
	That's what we have been doing.
	I'm sorry, gaslighting just doesn't cover it.
	They haven't lifted any sanctions?
	They've released billions of dollars.
	Billions of dollars. They've paid for hostages.
	If we hadn't lifted sanctions in the last three and a half years as a nation, Iran wouldn't be able to fund Hezbollah, to fund Hamas, to fund the Houthis.
	They just lie straight to your face.
	That's why we need my former boss back in the White House.
	And the latest movie to make the case as eloquently as possible is from our buddy Dinesh D'Souza.
	It's based on his book of the same title, Vindicating Trump, a searching examination of the real reasons why the left have to stop him.
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	We're back with our good friend, Father Frank Pavone.
	Endabortion.us is the website you need to go to today, endabortion.us.
	And we didn't rehearse this because it just happened this morning.
	So my wife is now the chair of the GOP for the biggest county in Virginia.
	Yes. And as such, I don't see her very much.
	We kind of meet each other in bed every night.
	And this morning, she's briefed Green Berets.
	She's briefed, you name it, the intelligence community.
	She was press secretary for the Customs and Border Protection Agency for President Trump.
	But this morning, she was very nervous.
	She had to go to a high school.
	Oh, boy. And 600 kids in three shifts...
	My wife had to represent the Trump campaign while she was debating somebody who was arguing for Kamala Harris.
	And the third person, this is unbelievable, we're like 12 miles from DC, and the third person was a representative of the Democratic Socialists of America.
	One Republican versus the Democrats and the Commies in front of the high school kids.
	And she said it was tough.
	But the thing that shocked her the most...
	And help me to understand, because you know better than anyone how we arrived here...
	She said the young girls in this high school, right outside the nation's capital, were obsessed and only cared about one thing and one thing alone when it came to the election, and it's their right to kill the unborn.
	That's all they told her about.
	Abortion, abortion, abortion.
	Have we been captured by the Dark One?
	How did this begin?
	That's ultimately what it is.
	This is a darkness. A lot of it is born of pain.
	It's the result of a nihilism.
	If you reject the Creator, you're going to reject the creation.
	But if you're a 15-year-old girl, Yeah.
	Who's never had an abortion.
	Why are you so obsessed with killing babies?
	Yeah, exactly. It's not natural.
	They have learned this from a lot of the advocates of abortion.
	I mean, we're looking right now in this election not only at the pro-abortion extremism of Harrison Walls and the whole party, but these amendments in 10 states that want to declare abortion to be a fundamental right.
	Now, I think a lot of this with these young girls, you know, people have indoctrinated them to say, Oh, yeah, you're in favor of fundamental rights.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Without analyzing, like we said in the previous segment, they never describe what they defend.
	But we're talking about folks.
	Can I mention the states, by the way?
	Arizona, Colorado, and Florida.
	Maryland, Missouri, Montana.
	Nebraska, Nevada, Florida.
	We got something called Amendment 4.
	All these amendments, New York and also South Dakota.
	They're trying to put it in the constitution of the state that you can't put any limit on abortion whatsoever.
	So, Walls wants to stand there and say, oh, no, that's not true.
	You know, we don't... Yes, it is true.
	They want abortion right to birth.
	No limits. I mean, we spent 50 years debating after Roe v.
	Wade. It was like, okay, abortion's illegal, but do we have to pay for it?
	Can parents be involved when it's a minor?
	Can clinics be regulated? Well, I remember the phrase back to Roe v.
	Wade. Rare...
	Yes. Safe, legal, and rare.
	That was Clinton's favorite phrase, right?
	But now it's like, throw out all parental involvement, throw out clinic regulations, throw out protection of our tax money from abortion.
	They are obsessed.
	It's a whole movement of obsession with abortion.
	And for these young people to be tied into that, you know what?
	It goes back to the experience of the women who've had abortions.
	We need those voices.
	Silent no more. Because that's what these young women need to hear.
	Talk to someone who's been through it.
	Now, unfortunately, some of them have been through it.
	And so this rapid pro-abortion zeal, in a lot of cases, Seb, it's their way of covering up the pain.
	Right. They want to run away from it?
	Yes. So they want to justify it.
	Not in all cases, but that is a lot of what's going on.
	And for me, I'm...
	I don't want to oversimplify it, but for me, abortion has been sold to the nation as a form of contraception.
	Yes, absolutely. It's not a baby.
	I didn't take contraception, therefore I'm not killing anything.
	It's sold like a contraception.
	In my work, I have ministered to people who had as many as 26 abortions.
	Oh my gosh. What happens is they have the abortion, then they feel so bad about it that they say, oh, I can't be a mother.
	Then if they get pregnant again, they say, oh, I have to kill the child.
	I'm not worthy to be a mother.
	It's a vicious downward spiral.
	Most of the abortions in this country, as a matter of fact, are repeat abortions.
	They've had at least one of them before.
	More abortion leads to more abortion.
	We've got 30 seconds left.
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	Most important question.
	You can come back to God after this, can't you?
	Oh, absolutely. We're leading people back to God every day after abortion, even after multiple abortions.
	I even ministered to Norman McCorvey, the Jane Roe of Roe v.
	Wade, and Bernard Nathanson, who started the abortion industry.
	I helped them both, and they both took hold of God's mercy.
	If they can repent and find forgiveness, anyone can.
	That is the power of God's mercy and the limitless grace that He provides us.
	We just want, we just have to want to come back to Him.
	And I love the name of this website, endabortion.us.
	That's endabortion.us.
	We can do it, thanks to President Trump, Roe v.
	Wade, who's been thrown on the ash heap of history.
	Now we need to continue the work in every state of the Union, endabortion.us.
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	These are the moments where it's kind of a cold shower for your soul when a loved one, somebody you trust, a friend, your wife, tells you a story about what's going on in America.
	My wife this morning in a high school right outside the capitol Met young girls who, in the context of the election in a month's time, were obsessed and could only talk about one thing.
	A 16-year-old, a 15-year-old, talking about their right to abort an unborn child.
	Doesn't that really put everything into perspective?
	I mean truly into perspective.
	The civilization is judged by how it treats the most vulnerable in that situation, in that civilization.
	The elderly, children, and the unborn.
	The handicapped. And we have a whole generation or more The mothers who will be the mothers if we let them.
	And all they want is to be able to kill the unborn life in their belly.
	Kind of helps you recalibrate, doesn't it?
	Give you the priorities in life.
	We need to save our civilization.
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	What do we do with a deep state?
	What can we do with the CIA, the intelligence community that's targeted by former boss for nine years now?
	Next up, we'll talk to an expert, former U.S. Army counterintelligence officer, Chris Farrell of Judicial Watch.
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	He was incapable of leading while he was in government.
	And I think he's actually devolved.
	I mean, I guess my question is, does he have the faculties as bad as he was in the first Trump administration?
	He seems to have spiraled down.
	I don't know if that's, you know, if age or whatever it is that it's getting to him now, that he's really incapable of piecing together coherent thoughts.
	I don't see how he could possibly be a viable contender for 2024.
	Really? Oh, that's fascinating.
	That is, of course, Alexander.
	Don't call me Sasha.
	Don't call me Mr.
	Vinderman, an individual who, whilst wearing the uniform of the U.S. Army, betrayed his oath and actually leaked classified information to the mainstream media whilst he was serving on the National Security Council of the White House during the Trump administration.
	I think, to quote the Bard, the lady doth protest too much.
	But it's not just...
	Alexander Sasha Vinderman.
	It's a whole slew of deep status.
	Recently, 700 so-called national security leaders signed a letter endorsing Kamala Harris, many of whom, we just found out yesterday, are tied to lucrative defense sector contracts.
	What does that tell you?
	Let's analyze that and so much more with a trusted friend of America First.
	It's been far too long since he's been in the studio.
	He has run all investigations and research at that superb organization, Judicial Watch, for a year or two, and it's wonderful to have him back in studio.
	Chris Farrell, welcome back to America First.
	Great to be with you, Seb. Thank you very much.
	A couple of years, right? 25.
	He started when he was 15.
	He started when he was 15 years old.
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	I'm going to recount a story I told on the air yesterday that I don't think is going to be news to you, but it kind of...
	How should I say this? If my fires of patriotism needed rekindling, they got a very large amount of saltpeter and sulfur thrown on them yesterday.
	So I had coffee with a 28-year veteran of the intelligence community who told me stories about the inside of Langley that are worse than I thought.
	Let me start with one mild example that will, I think, explain the culture of what has happened to what was the most prestigious part of the intelligence community.
	He told me that after the election in 2016, senior officers, case agents, analysts at Langley were wearing safety pins on the lapels of their suits.
	Now, you probably remember this, but safety pins were the male equivalent of the pink pussycat hats of the loony left.
	And I'm reading from an unimpeachable source for the leftists, this is the New York Times, explaining why safety pins.
	Those who wore safety pins were showing support For those who are physically, emotionally abused as members of minorities, immigrants, and members of the LGBTQ community, and they wore the safety pins to show solidarity with those minorities after the loss of Hillary Clinton's election bid for the presidency.
	Now, Chris, I don't really give a fig if that's a faculty member at Harvard doing it or some stupid, you know, gender studies student at Yale.
	But these are officers of the CIA. Are you surprised by this story?
	Not at all. And I'm actually a graduate of the farm, Camp Perry.
	Explain what the farm is.
	Certainly. So my misspent youth was as an Army counterintelligence officer.
	Mostly I worked... Which means you're catching spies.
	Right. Most of my work was counterespionage, investigations, and running double agent operations.
	I also commanded the Army's surveillance team, physical, technical, and aerial surveillance, in support of counterespionage, but also sometimes in support of clandestine human intelligence.
	So I had done well enough that the Army was convinced I wouldn't embarrass them.
	And so they nominated me to go attend the—it's under the umbrella of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and it's euphemistically called the Military Operations Training Course, or MATSI. But you're sent off to— Which is colloquially the firm, which is if you're going to be a case officer for the CIA running assets, you have to graduate that.
	Right. And why would the Army say...
	Is this for cross-posting to the DIA? Yeah, there's a couple of different ways that this plays itself out.
	You can either be an Army case officer running clandestine human sources...
	For the DIA, for the Army.
	For the Army, for the Defense Intelligence Agency, or, which I'm not going to go into detail, my angle was to actually be detailed Stay in the Army, technically be owned by the Army, care and feeding.
	Or work for another agency. But actually work for the CIA in a different post.
	So they want you to have that qualification for you to be able to do that in a CIA environment.
	And in general, the military case officers, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, who are then...
	The military case officers are usually, frankly, far better than the civilians coming in through the CIA career program.
	Because the military only sends guys over to be trained who have done 8, 10, 12 years.
	They're already at sort of the journeyman level.
	They're capable of independent operations.
	They're an intelligence professional. And then they get certified as a Klan human case officer.
	A lot of the sort of career CIA guys, you know, they're a 28-year-old who had been to graduate school and done one job in the real world.
	Starting their career. And then...
	It's just...
	They're coming at it from different places in their sort of adult lives.
	So in general, the military case officers are head and shoulders above their civilian counterparts because they're already proven a few different ways.
	So you saw them as a sausage machine from the inside of the farm.
	So tell us about why you're not surprised by this story.
	So there's an interesting mix.
	So when I went through, which was many, many moons ago, we had a lot of cold warriors, myself one of them.
	And it was a different world.
	But since that time, and from perspective, I've been in Judicial Watch for 25 years now, so it's been a long time.
	But the corporate environment, the culture at the CIA, has been just as radicalized and just shifted as hard to the left as the rest of The political operatives and the professionals in D.C. So when you look at the voting demographics of the counties around Washington D.C. and you see they skew 95% plus Democrat.
	In the last 40 years.
	Yeah, or leftist. Well, you know, that's where the government goes home to sleep at night.
	And so those are the people, the rank and file, are all kind of big government, hard-over lefties who love big government, big programs, big dollars, big projects.
	And so that's who's manning the rank and file sort of...
	Body of the government.
	And it's true with the CIA, just like it is with every other alphabet soup agency out there.
	So that's what we get.
	That's why we need to move some things around in the country, which is a whole other story.
	We'll talk about that, but just while we're on this aspect of it.
	And the contention of this individual was...
	Cabinet members and agency directors are pretty irrelevant.
	And especially at the CIA, the director is going to be interested in what?
	The liaison arrangements, traveling to Abu Dhabi, traveling to London, doing the outward-facing PR part of it.
	And if you want to make a change in the deep state agencies, it's going to be the people beneath the actual director.
	That is correct. Because also, many, many, many of these, you know, titled former this, former that, they're all looking for their position on corporate boards.
	Right. He said, for the million-dollar book contract and the syndicure at the Atlantic Council, right?
	But it's also the corporate boards.
	And corporate boards, you know, you get paid, I don't know, two, three, half a million dollars.
	For two meetings a year or so.
	Right, because they want your name and your resume and your security clearance.
	And your Rolodex, just to age ourselves, right?
	So if, hey, we're thinking about opening a new factory in X, Check it out.
	Will you make a couple of phone calls?
	See if that's a smart move.
	And they know that you're going to trade on your former position in order to get that information.
	Alright, we've only just begun the title.
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	I don't expect Mr. President Putin to acknowledge it. He's going to deny, deny, deny.
	But for the President of the United States to continue to prevaricate on this issue, I think, does a great injustice and a disservice to the men and women of the intelligence law enforcement community.
	And does a great disservice to the citizens of the United States.
	And that's why I said it was nothing short of treasonous.
	Former Director of the CIA. John Brennan, former counterterrorism advisor to President Obama, a man seminal to the Crossfire Hurricane tri-service operation against the President's campaign and President Trump as President in the Oval Office, calling the Commander-in-Chief treasonous.
	We'll unpack that and so much more.
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	We've discussed the Rogues Gallery many, many times before, Chris.
	The Comeys, the Strokes, the McCabe's, the Clappers.
	One of the ones who doesn't get enough oxygen, who I think is really evil, is Hayden, is Mike Hayden.
	You're being very quiet there.
	No, not at all. I'm stroking it in.
	But let's talk about, because he kept it quiet, and then he exploded.
	I mean, he was like a professional guy in a uniform, and then went, Trump derangement syndrome, level 11, overnight.
	And I knew the guy. With really weird tweets.
	His social media was like, I mean, like, go to a psychiatrist.
	I mean, I know you hate America, but just go sit down with a professional in mental health, Mike, because you need it.
	Whatever your daddy issues are, go and talk to a professional.
	But when it comes to Brennan, I've got to test this theory on you because the guy I was talking to had worked with.
	He called him John, worked for him, briefed him, you know, in a very senior position.
	And my take on Brennan is that he wasn't very smart.
	Not as stupid as Clapper, who gave the KGB resident a pink, all-access Pentagon pass when he was running the DIA. That's how stupid Jim Clapper was.
	But what this CIA veteran said to me, that Brennan isn't stupid.
	Brennan is a vicious, bureaucratic fighter who really understands.
	What did he call it?
	The bureaucratic guerrilla warfare.
	And he kind of doffed his cap to Brennan's intelligence in bureaucratic bayonet fighting.
	Is that your read? It is.
	And sadly, I have a connection to Brennan in that we are both graduates of Fordham University in the Bronx.
	Good Catholics together, right?
	Yeah. That's a shameful admission on my part.
	Yeah, Brennan is a real cynical The only good thing about him is he gets so caught up in his BS that he actually believes it, and then he makes completely over-the-top comments where he gets a little too far out over his skis.
	So he lets the ideological hyperbole get ahead of him?
	Yeah. Dangerously, he would be more effective if he wasn't quite so hysterical.
	Because he'd be taken more seriously.
	He has now said so many things that are so completely off the charts crazy that he's made himself a caricature.
	He puts himself in a position of ridicule because he's been so excessive.
	If he had been a little more constrained He probably would have been more effective and more damaging because people would have believed it and said, oh, well, you know, he's very credible.
	He's a very sharp eye.
	He's very studious and thoughtful and, you know, so people would take him seriously.
	But he's gone so ballistic and so over the top that I don't think people will take him seriously.
	If we had to look at the prime mover, In all of this skullduggery, these unconstitutional actions, the forging of the CIA document by the DOJ lawyer so he could target Carter Page, the absurd FISA warrants that had no real substance, the targeting, the blackmailing of General Flynn.
	President Trump's wiretaps, the leaks to the media, on and on and on.
	If there's a prime mover in your analysis, and you and Tom have done legions, the real heavy lifting, is it Brennan or is it somebody else?
	Because Comey for me looks like a high school girl who's just vicious and just not a strategic brain.
	Clapper, likewise.
	Hayden, just a vituperative whatever.
	Yeah.
	Is there somebody else beyond Brennan?
	I see Lisa Monaco at DOJ as being a key actor, but who says back in 15, you know what?
	Pfizer. Let's go after Trump and Flynn with Pfizer.
	Where does that come from? Yeah, so I think that's...
	I don't know that there's one mastermind.
	I think that the people that you've mentioned, I'm sure, kind of synchronize their activities.
	But what you talked about with regard to FISA is very important.
	And also, don't dismiss Comey too much in that regard.
	He's a vicious Petty is the thing that defines him for me.
	That's why they were so quick to decapitate Mike Flynn.
	General Flynn had to be removed immediately because in about, I don't know, two or three weeks, maybe a month, He would have detected what they were doing in the abuse of FISA, but also, no one ever talks about this, but it's terribly important.
	It's the Executive Order 12333, Section 209, which is a prohibition on undisclosed activities against U.S. organizations in the United States.
	So you can't run intelligence operations Particularly the FBI and other counterintelligence elements can't run operations against U.S. entities in the United States.
	And so that's why they manufactured these counterintelligence events in the U.K. Right.
	So they could do it outside the Constitution.
	And they go, oh, look, there's a counterintelligence threat.
	And then they import the investigation back into the United States and run wild.
	And in all of that, Gina Haspel is key.
	Absolutely critical.
	Because she's station chief in London.
	Twice. No one's station chief in London twice.
	Right. And so she helps to manufacture the stuff with Papadopoulos and the Australian ambassador, Carter Page.
	Right. Give us the number of that executive order again.
	Yeah, it's Executive Order 12333, which governs intelligence operations.
	And it's Section 209.
	And that is undisclosed participation in U.S. organizations in the United States.
	The idea being the FBI can't run a penetration operation on a...
	On a political campaign.
	But they did.
	By using liaison services.
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	All right.
	So the executive order 12333 made it impossible for bad domestic intelligence agencies from targeting political campaigns.
	Right. It goes back to what was referred to as Operation Garden Plot, which is when the FBI convinced army counterintelligence to run a penetration operation against SDS, Students for Democrats.
	So this is about the same time as like COINTELPRO? In fact, Garden Plot was a subset of COINTELPRO. And so, stupidly, the Army jumped on board and said, sure, we'll do it.
	And they successfully penetrated Students for Democratic Society, SDS. And then all the backlash from that, think church committee, etc.
	They said, what in the world is Army intelligence agents doing running an operation against a bunch of lefty students?
	And that's a legitimate question.
	What the hell were they doing?
	And the answer was the FBI didn't want to do it, so they suckered the army into doing it.
	That's internal dispute.
	So anyway, so there was reform, and that executive order I just told you, that's the reform.
	So is this post-Church Commission, post-Dixon?
	Correct. Okay, all right. Important stuff.
	Executive Order 12333, subsection 209.
	Let's bring that all the way up to the present day.
	And it was a kind of like Damascene moment for me when one of the few journalists I respect, John Solomon, explained what happened in 2016, that the foreign policy national security elite, the blob, whether it's the SIS's at Langley or whether it's the senior the blob, whether it's the SIS's at Langley or whether it's the senior fellow at the Atlantic Council or the director of Brookings, had spent 15, 20 years building mechanisms to take down what they deemed to
	The Orange Revolutions against Lukashenko and everything else, right?
	All this stuff that was done, hand in glove with the Open Society Foundation, Soros' money.
	And they did this out there as part of, you know, the globalist, international, kumbaya, we don't like strong men.
	And then Donald Trump comes along.
	And wins. And so the Victorian Newlands, the Atlantic Councils, the intelligence community said, hang on a second, we've got this massive toolbox to take down leaders.
	Let's just rotate the azimuth of the weapon to CONUS, to continental US. And that's how we get the disinformation czar, Crossfire Hurricane, FISA, J6. What do you think of this?
	I love what John, you know, of course it happened, but the way he just said, you know, they rotated the turrets inward.
	Yep, exactly correct.
	100% correct.
	And, you know, sadly, President Trump, at least the first go-around, was not equipped...
	Why would a real estate mogul from New York be equipped?
	Exactly. I'm not making excuses.
	No, it's just a fact. Oh, he's a general.
	He must be a good guy. And sadly, the other downfall or drawback, or whatever you want to call it, was horrible personnel decisions.
	And so you put those two, personnel's policy, right?
	Right. So we pick people that really, you know, some were just bad choices, some were total phonies and backstabbers, some were in over their head.
	There's all different flavors of mistake.
	Okay, fine. Doesn't matter.
	But I have a very strong suspicion that, you know, in the next 30-some-odd days, when round two comes along and, you know, Trump 47, he will not be making those same mistakes, not even close, which will make the left even crazier, because now... Yeah, I love all that, because I do a lot of media with, you know, foreign journalists interviewing me, and I say...
	What are the Trump supporters going to do if he loses?
	Is there going to be another January 6th?
	And I say, hang on a second.
	Do you know what the real threat is?
	If we win, if Trump wins, the left, I mean, forget BLM and $3 trillion billion worth of damage.
	Antifa will be on steroids.
	It's going to be like Transformers.
	If President Trump wins, we've got to wait a couple of months until he becomes president.
	Yeah, yeah. All right, so with regards to that question of the rotating azimuth domestically, I'll save that question in the next segment.
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	Donald Trump is the leader of a cult.
	Who has radicalized his followers and dealing with a radicalized populace is incredibly challenging because it's so hard for someone who's been defrauded and radicalized to walk away.
	I get why so many of his followers want to memory hold January the 6th because those images whisper to those people, you fool, look what you did.
	And that's too painful for most humans to deal with.
	So they memory hold it and they go deeper into the cult.
	That's a phenomenon we've seen in Islamic radicalism.
	That's a phenomenon we've seen in religious radicalism.
	Yes, we are the cult.
	We're the ones that believe a man can become a woman or that nations don't need borders or giving billions of dollars to your enemies in the Middle East is a good thing.
	Right, Jim Comey.
	I think we know who the cult members are.
	I'm not trying to get philosophical, Chris, but especially given that clip from Comey, like, the conservatives are the cultists, but a man can be a woman, trust me.
	Something struck me in my conversation with this CIA veteran.
	You know, the guys who are worried that the people elected another president, and that's a bad thing.
	And my take is the following.
	If you...
	Are of a political flavor that you think America is a problem.
	For example, 1619 Project.
	We're racist.
	We're an empire.
	We're colonial. On and on and on.
	If you buy into what is the de rigueur Democrat narrative that America is the problem.
	How can you do national security?
	Because why would you want to make the thing you think is bad stronger?
	So for me, the big disconnect is, if you're a liberal, you can't work in national security because you don't want to make America strong.
	Am I oversimplifying it?
	You're not. And this is best exemplified, once again, going back to history, with revolutionary defeatism.
	This is what Lenin advocated.
	Lenin was thrilled not only that they had removed the Tsar and all the aristocracy from Russia with this revolutionary government, but they still had an army in the field deployed against the Germans and against the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
	And to complete the revolution, For the radical, insane militancy that they were seeking, the total revolution to succeed, well then they had to be destroyed.
	They had to be defeated. And that's what they want.
	It's kind of like a suicide pact.
	It's burning down the village to save it.
	It's a very sick, twisted means of thinking.
	It's incredibly practical.
	And in Lenin's, to his credit, it worked.
	The revolutionary defeatism that he promoted and advanced and hoped for and pushed gave him the revolution, the full, total revolution that he wanted.
	There was no remnant left.
	Right. And that's, unfortunately, there's a lot of well-meaning idiots out there who, you know, useful idiots, another Leninism, right, who would buy into this.
	They're so busy running down Everything that's great about this country.
	They're so busy trying to...
	They're like termites eating the foundation of everything that we stand for.
	And they think it's fantastic.
	Because we can't be broke enough.
	We can't be destroyed enough.
	Right. But this is where...
	This probably comes from the fact that my first degree was philosophy and theology with the Jesuits.
	The real old-school Jesuits in London.
	Yeah, now they're old Marxists.
	Yeah. That's a separate hour.
	This is even worse than that, because at least, and I'm not promoting communism here, but at least Lenin had a vision.
	Of the society he wanted to build.
	It was impossible, never happened, 100 million people murdered.
	I get it. But there was an end state that was creative, putatively.
	These guys, there is no end state.
	There's just destruction. There's just America in ashes is the end state.
	That's even worse. I mean, this is pure nihilism.
	Yeah, it's more Trotskyite, or it's creative destruction.
	Yes! But, you know, we have all these parsed out flavors of revolutionary communism, but that's, I mean, if you want to really have a serious discussion about this kind of stuff, and I think it's worthwhile doing, not everybody's into it, but I think it's important to lay out the different viewpoints that are driving these people.
	A lot of people just want creative destructionism.
	We are too bad.
	There is no hope.
	Destroy it all. And they're so vain and arrogant.
	They think that they have the solution.
	They're going to socially engineer this future perfect, all equitable, all good.
	It's nonsense, but they're drunk on their own wine.
	Do you...
	Can you identify...
	Going back to, if God willing, President Trump wins...
	And we have to, you know, fix the rot inside, let's just call it broadly speaking, the national security enterprise.
	So Woke Pentagon, the 17 intelligence agencies, you name it, the academies, what have you.
	What was the genesis of the rot?
	Because if we look at Western civilization, we can say the Frankfurt School, the 60s, that's when academe buys into this post-modern relative garbage.
	But... We had problems.
	I know we had problems, especially in OSS. But my impression is, and I served in an MI unit in the reserves in the UK. Back then, they were patriots, right?
	I mean, there were the odd double agents, the Philbeys and whatever, and the Aldrich Ameses.
	But most people in uniform, in the community, were trying to serve the national interest.
	Right. When did the rot begin, and with what, that you'd have people 20 years later walking around with safety pins at Langley because gay people are in danger because Trump is president?
	What was the genesis?
	Can you point a finger? Something weird happened.
	I point out one event, and I don't mean this in a literal sense, but it's sort of a little bit of a benchmark to look at.
	Bush Sr. meets Gorbachev at Malta.
	Okay. Ninety-one.
	Okay. And Gorbachev says to Bush, essentially, the feral paraphrase, okay, you win.
	We lost. We surrender.
	You've beaten us.
	The Soviet Union is...
	We're not rolling tanks into Czechoslovakia.
	That's it. We're done.
	And you guys win.
	And Bush says, whoa, whoa, whoa, not so fast.
	We don't want you to surrender.
	Don't do anything drastic, right?
	And roll on the chicken Kiev speech.
	Right. The status quo, let's just maintain the status quo, because rather than accepting this enormous victory for the West, I mean, there's a reason why the Cold War Victory Medal was designed for the military, but is not permitted to be worn on any uniform.
	We won. And we weren't willing to accept it and then move forward.
	But unpack that for me.
	Is that because the old left-wing thing, we always need an enemy?
	Or was it lack of faith in ourselves?
	Because look, he's a former director of the CIA before he became vice president.
	So explain why that's an indicative moment and what it really meant.
	So instead of We clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
	Rather than saying...
	We won. We won.
	And we're not going to rub your face in it, because actually we're better than that.
	And we're not ashamed to say that we're better than that.
	We're going to encourage you, and we're going to partner with you.
	We're going to lead. We're going to be friendly with you.
	And we're going to actually make a better way forward.
	And yeah, you're Russian, and you're going to do things the Russian way.
	But that doesn't mean that we have to be cutting each other's throats, right?
	So there was an opportunity to actually proclaim victory and march off the field, but also have a positive future.
	And instead, the institutional bureaucracy, the powers that be, They don't necessarily like change.
	They like status quo.
	They like Continuity, like stability.
	So how does that flip to being woke?
	It's a lost opportunity where, okay, you won, so what?
	Now what do you get?
	And it's this, like, letdown.
	It's this, rather than celebrating that everything we fought for and believed in, sort of the mom, dad, apple pie, you know, 1960s upbringing that I grew up in, it turned all that into a lie.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay. So the fact that we didn't treat 91 as a victory questioned the whole value system that we fought for.
	It's relativism on steroids.
	So it opened the window to say, well, what were we fighting for?
	Right. Interesting.
	I like that. That's why he's the Director of Investigations and Research at JudicialWatch.org.
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	He's taking these shots, this antagonism, this taunting to the intelligence community.
	You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
	So, even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this.
	That's at the beginning of the Trump presidency, the most senior Democrat, who remains the most senior Democrat in the Senate, threatening the incoming president, saying, you know what?
	You get on the wrong side of the CIA and the DIA, they'll take you down because elections, they don't matter.
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	All right, so we've only got a couple of minutes left.
	Let's talk about, if God willing, President Trump wins.
	I was given a whole op plan, a concept of operations for how to deal with the rot at the CIA, right?
	And it had to do with basically personnel.
	Who gets selected for what and who gets sent where and who gets promoted.
	I'm still absorbing if it's really that simple.
	This person said with three people you could change the culture of the CIA very rapidly.
	The last idea he had, which I want your take on, is this.
	January 20th at 1 p.m., if God willing, President Trump is sworn in.
	A general announcement is made across the defense sector, the intelligence community.
	If you were involved with felonious activity against the civil rights of Americans, whether it's President Trump, Mike Flynn, J6s, 73-year-old grandmothers at abortion clinics, you have 90 days to give us the details, or we will come down on you like a ton of bricks.
	Make it 30 days. I was thinking, I actually told him, he said 90, I said 30.
	And the logic here is, lots of people in the bureaucracy want to keep their pensions, go to their French restaurant in Georgetown, but they've got the goods on the Comey's, on the Brennan's.
	I think this is bloody ingenious.
	Your response? Yeah, I mean, there's an opportunity for people to kind of...
	Fess up. Fess up.
	You saw it most recently with the San Diego sector chief at Border Patrol, who just retired recently.
	Of course, he waits to retire and draws pension.
	Then suddenly he says, essentially, that he was involved in trafficking teenage girls, right?
	Not that he personally did it, but that he had guilty knowledge of the stuff.
	It's like, well, how do you go to bed at night Thinking about teenage girls being gang-raped.
	And you have no problem.
	You hung around for three and a half years.
	Pick up your pension. And, you know, well, he wanted his pension.
	He wanted his bass boat.
	He wants to go on vacation or whatever.
	That makes me violently ill.
	That's horrific. You're not a man.
	You have no soul. You're not a man.
	I love this idea.
	I'm going to promote it to the president if we win, God willing.
	Anything else you would like to see happen that would actually change the culture to one of national security in the interest of America?
	Yeah, of course, he's got to have, as many other presidents have, he has to have every single United States attorney submit their resignation.
	Because there has to be this wholesale clean-out of justice.
	And it's nothing unusual.
	Bill Clinton did it. Obama did it.
	But instead of just kind of riding with it and hoping for the best, every single U.S. attorney has got to go.
	Now that's DOJ, that's justice.
	What about your background in the intelligence community?
	What else needs to happen there?
	If we recognize that the directors are like directors, Yeah, I have very little faith or confidence in the CIA, and maybe your friend has a specialized knowledge.
	I don't. I'm sure he does.
	But I just, the institutional Careerism and opportunism is so powerful.
	And there's a lot of chameleons there.
	They'll say or do whatever the hell you want them to say.
	Spice? We lie? And they will do that in order to get that magic pension.
	But the 30-day thing?
	You like that? I do like that.
	That's good. But it's got to be fast.
	If it's one of these dragging on, it'll take on a life of its own.
	You need to... And you have to be equipped to respond to it.
	Just asking the question, is it good enough?
	It's kind of like learning a foreign language.
	They teach you to ask where the train station is.
	God forbid someone actually answers you.
	Right. Hold on, you know.
	Slow down. Slow down.
	All right. First, we have to win, guys.
	It's up to us. TrumpForce47.com.
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	That was a very special one-on-one with our good friend Chris Farrell of Judicial Watch.
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