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July 31, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW : FBI tries to fake Trump shooter's history

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	the Aggressive interview at the National Association of Black Journalists, and he acquitted himself incredibly.
	We'll be playing all of that for you momentarily.
	But from yesterday's hearing on Capitol Hill about the attempted assassination of President Trump, I want to play you a little clip before we talk to a very special guest.
	This is Senator Blackburn talking to the Deputy Director of the FBI, Paul Abate, about an attempt to, let's just say, cook the books You had mentioned a social media account that espoused anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic views, but you did not say what platform that was on and what the username was.
	And this is Crooks that we're discussing.
	Yes, Senator, that's correct.
	I didn't want to comment on it because we haven't fully confirmed yet, and I thought that as soon as we confirm and certify, I will provide that to you.
	Would you supply that?
	And also the age at which he had those feelings.
	And then we understand that the GAB account is pro-immigration, pro-lockdown, leftist views.
	Is that accurate?
	I haven't seen it directly, but I believe, from what I've been told, that is accurate.
	With the GAB account, we're also, though that's been publicly revealed through the CIO and other things, we're still working to certify and verify that that's his account also.
	But it does have differing points of view, it would appear.
	Okay.
	And what age and how fresh is that GAB account?
	The cab account, based on my recollection, the comments in there or the messaging is from about 2021, I believe.
	Okay.
	And the other preceded that?
	Maybe he was age 14?
	Yes, Senator.
	So that's interesting.
	Last week they tried to paint the shooter as some kind of MAGA conservative, but now, and we'll share with you the details from the CEO of Gab, it turns out it was somebody who was pro-Biden and pro-immigration.
	We salute that lady from digging for the truth, and we welcome her as our first guest here on America First.
	Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, welcome back to Salem.
	Good to see you.
	Thank you so much and thanks for covering that hearing we did yesterday.
	We're going to cover it and so much more.
	We're going to talk about the legislation that you have brought to the floor, the Support Kids Online Safety Act.
	But first, I've got to ask you a question as you're on the front lines digging into what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	Are you satisfied with the answers you're getting from the Secret Service and the FBI?
	And how much danger do you still think President Trump is in?
	Because we have three more months to go.
	We do indeed.
	And I'm very concerned.
	You know, the Secret Service tends to two things.
	One thing they do is counterfeiting, investigating that.
	The other is personal protection.
	And in that portfolio, they have 31 individuals they're responsible for.
	The president, vice president, their families, former presidents, and then high-ranking officials who may have received a death threat.
	When the Secret Service gets things wrong, it's not like a bad day at the office where somebody overspends their budget or misses their casework totals.
	You know, Sebastian, when the Secret Service screws it up, people die.
	And that is what we saw happen in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	Now, for us, there are questions that are unanswered.
	We want to know about the planning document for that event, about the day of work for that event, and questions, how could a 20-year-old have flown a drone and visited the site multiple times before the event and nobody knew anything?
	How could he have been online doing research and nobody picked this up?
	How was it that the Secret Service identified a suspicious person an hour before President Trump was shot?
	At 551, he is tagged as a potential threat.
	At 553, sharpshooters are alerted and somebody cleared President Trump to go on that stage at 6 o'clock.
	Yeah.
	These are all questions that we want answers to, plus figuring out if this is something that is systemic or if this was a one-off.
	And that's the reason I asked the Secret Service Director Rowe yesterday about the whistleblower letter that was revealed yesterday morning.
	And then, of course, the accusations that it was removed from the Secret Service website and from their server system during that hearing.
	And we are waiting for Director Rowe to give us the answers on those questions.
	But the whistleblower said basically the mission at the Secret Service is to place CYA.
	And that is of concern to us because their mission is to protect the individual and keep them from getting harmed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We read the letter from the whistleblower yesterday where he said there will be another attempt on the president's life and the people responsible for the catastrophe in Butler need to resign or be fired.
	Let's turn to what you've been doing to protect, not the President and VIPs in America, but America's children.
	You've been on the show several times to talk about the Kids Online Safety Act.
	What is the latest update, please, Senator?
	The latest update is that COSA made it out of the Senate yesterday, a 91 to 3 vote.
	72 senators are co-sponsors of this legislation.
	And it puts the responsibility on big tech to do safety by design, to have a duty of care, to open up their algorithms, to have a toolbox for parents and kids, to create that safer environment, and to have a portal where kids and parents can report bad actors in the virtual space.
	You know, pedophiles, drug dealers, sex traffickers, bulliers, And then it requires the social media platform to respond to that and to go through an annual third party audit to be sure that they're complying with the law.
	Well, I can't remember the last time there was 70 plus co-sponsors for a bill in the Senate.
	What is your expectation in the House?
	And when could we actually have this bill turn into law?
	The House is going to take it up in September.
	And we look forward to getting it across the finish line and to the President's desk.
	Well, God bless you, Senator Marsha Blackburn.
	Please follow her right now and express your support for this crucial piece of legislation, blackburn.senate.gov, and follow her at Marsha Blackburn.
	And also check out her book, The Mind of a Conservative Woman.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	We will be talking to Peter Navarro next.
	Super excited about getting my former White House colleague on air in front of millions of our fellow patriots to talk about what happened to him inside the political prison that he was placed in by Biden's DOJ.
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	Well, I can say, no, I think it's maybe a little bit different.
	So, I've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much.
	And she was always...
	She was always very, very nice.
	And I think that's what I've learned from her.
	I think that's what I've learned from her.
	Hi, this is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
	He's a great guy.
	He's been with me from the beginning.
	Listen to him.
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	Thank you kindly.
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	All right, before we go to the much heralded guest we've been trying to get on since I met him again at the convention.
	Fresh breaking, this is from President Trump at the National Association of Black Journalists.
	The first journalist, she was just bloody rude and the president utterly destroyed her.
	With such style, it was delicious.
	You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys.
	You've attacked black journalists, calling them a loser, saying the questions that they ask are, quote, stupid and racist.
	You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your Mar-a-Lago resort.
	So my question, sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust you after you have used language like that?
	Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been asked a question in such a horrible manner, a first question.
	You don't even say, hello, how are you?
	Are you with ABC?
	Because I think they're a fake news network, a terrible network.
	And I think it's disgraceful that I came here in good spirit.
	I love the black population of this country.
	I've done so much for the black population of this country.
	including employment, including opportunity zones with Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina,
	which is one of the greatest programs ever for black workers and black entrepreneurs.
	I've done so much, and you know, when I say this, historically black colleges and universities
	were out of money, they were stone cold broke, and I saved them, and I gave them long-term financing,
	and nobody else was doing it.
	I think it's a very rude introduction.
	I don't know exactly why you would do something like that, and let me go a step further.
	I was invited here, and I was told my opponent, whether it was Biden or Kamala,
	I was told my opponent was going to be here.
	It turned out my opponent isn't here.
	You invited me under false pretense, and then you said you can't do it with Zoom.
	Well, you know, where's Zoom?
	She's gonna do it with Zoom, and she's not coming.
	And then you were a half an hour late.
	Just so we understand, I have too much respect for you to be late.
	They couldn't get their equipment working, or something was wrong.
	That's how you do it.
	And the audience was actually on his side.
	We've got even more of that.
	That just happened moments ago.
	Just too good.
	Somebody who I can see grinning, appreciating that cut, is my former colleague, former assistant to the president, a free man, a freedom fighter, the one and only Peter Navarro.
	Peter, welcome back to America First.
	That was clinical, I'm telling you.
	Nobody does it better than DJT, I'm telling you.
	That is how it is done.
	Although you're pretty good at it too.
	So good to see you again.
	I saw you the day you were released from the political prison that Biden's DOJ put you in.
	That's us in the gallery at the convention in Milwaukee.
	So much to discuss.
	I'm glad we've got you for the rest of the hour.
	First things first, describe for us the feeling, Peter Navarro, of stepping out of that Floridian political prison just a few days ago.
	I was in a bubble in that prison with respect to the rest of the world.
	No internet connection, the TVs Would be on, but the inmate population was more into, like, Family Feud and ESPN than, say, I don't know, Fox or CNN.
	So I had no idea what would happen.
	I stepped out of the prison.
	They wouldn't let me out two days earlier on my birthday.
	I get out in the early morning, get on a plane, Standing backstage, waiting to get on.
	There's five speakers before me.
	They get, you know, they get nice stuff like that.
	I didn't know if people even knew who I was, to be honest, Seb.
	And I walked out of that stage and it was the warmest, loudest thing I've ever heard.
	And it just, I mean, I just, I don't know.
	It was America to me.
	And my message that night, Seb, was textured.
	One of the things I said was that if we don't control our government, the people's government, their government, the woke folks' government, will control us.
	And what I did in that speech, within the context of, I went to prison so you won't have to, is illustrate how if you let the Democrat elites gain control of all three branches of our government, They will put people like you and me and Donald Trump and your neighbor down the street in prison, Steve like me and Steve Bannon, and they will control the rest of us.
	And it's interesting to me, Savvy, every single person involved in my imprisonment was a Democrat.
	Every single one across the three branches of government.
	It was Pelosi, Schiff, Raskin, and a Democrat majority when we lost that election in 2018.
	They took over the House, hold me in contempt for defending executive privilege, something that goes back to the days of George Washington, defending constitutional separation powers against a J6 committee, which we now know so, had only one purpose, which was and continues to be, because that thing keeps on giving, the election interference in 2024 to stop Donald Trump From getting back to the White House.
	And then Merrick Garland, I'm so glad that he's not on the Supreme Court.
	That was a close call because this guy, he indicted and prosecuted me despite a 50-year-old policy at the DOJ that it's my duty to refuse a congressional subpoena as a senior presidential advisor.
	And then the courts, Seb, these courts are Our sewers right now, particularly that D.C.
	Circuit, which two-thirds of the judges are Democrat-appointed.
	This guy I drew, Amit Mehta, was just like Juan Marchand, the guy Trump had.
	I didn't know they could do this.
	They strip you of every defense before you even go to trial.
	I mean, that's like, what?
	Yeah, I should know that.
	I'm supposed to be a sophisticated, intelligent guy who knows all about our government.
	I didn't know they could do that.
	Well, I want to know more of that and the experience inside prison and the brand new book.
	Go to newamagadeal.com to get all the details.
	We're talking to Peter Navarro, my former colleague in the White House, at Real Pete Navarro on Twitter.
	Make sure you keep abreast of all the breaking news in this insane news cycle by following us on social media as well.
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	We'll be back with the liberated Peter Navarro next here on America First.
	Thanks for watching.
	you you
	you okay mics are now on rumble
	Where's Bonnie?
	Is Bonnie there?
	Yeah, you wanna say hi?
	Hey, Bonnie!
	Bonnie!
	Seb wants to say hi.
	Come on, girl.
	Say hello.
	Well, you finally did it.
	You finally got him on the show for me.
	Thank you, Barney.
	We salute you.
	Thank you.
	Well, no, because you deserve it.
	Because you kept his name alive.
	My family and I would watch you, and if I missed a show on Newsmax, they would tell me.
	So thank you.
	Well, thank you, and great to meet you at the convention.
	Thanks, Barney.
	Yes, and you too, in person.
	Bye.
	Alright, two minutes.
	You can see the back of her head on the Drew Pinker show yesterday.
	She was walking around and accidentally got in the frame.
	It was hilarious, actually.
	What did you say in the prison?
	That the prisoners were alright, but the guards weren't?
	Or is it the other way around?
	What did you say?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, I was Switzerland.
	I had a unique position there.
	I had respect from both sides.
	Oh, good.
	There's some really interesting stuff, but let's hold that for another day.
	Well, I'm going to ask you one question on that, and then we'll pivot to the campaign.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I'll just pivot.
	I'll answer and pivot.
	One minute.
	Standby.
	We know how this shit works.
	I got a title line for Blackburn.
	For Blackburn, um...
	Protecting America's kids and uncovering FBI fraud.
	Mm-hmm.
	FBI misinformation.
	Yeah, FBI misinformation.
	Yep.
	40 seconds.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Okay.
	Ann Coulter's here.
	I forced her to sit here and listen to the entirety of the interview.
	Usually we would keep Ann in the green room, but I said, Ann, I want you to sit and listen.
	Uh, thoughts?
	So, so wish you hadn't done that.
	Um, I was fully prepared to defend him and make a much better argument than he just made.
	Uh, but now I wish they had kept him in prison for four years instead of four months.
	Um, this is why Republicans lose.
	I had no idea how profoundly stupid he is.
	I hated Ann Coulter when she turned against President Trump just to sell books.
	She is a lunatic.
	And also she insulted my colleague with that phrase, my former colleague Peter Navarro, a man who has gone to prison, so we don't have to do that.
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	Peter, you were a tough guy to keep up with When I arrived at about 7am, you'd be returning from your morning run.
	You kept that kind of tempo up all day.
	You helped the President's China policy become one of the most important pillars of our administration.
	I want to talk about the next 97 days and what we do to get him back in the White House and, God willing, you as well.
	But first, because our listeners, you're talking to about three and a half million people right now, they're going to want to know, what was it like as a political prisoner?
	How were you treated in that Florida prison, Peter?
	No country for old men.
	I mean, I'm 75 years old and it was prison.
	It was razor wire.
	It was lockdowns.
	I've been through a lot in my life and I've had that experience to train me.
	Basically, what you need is to stay focused mentally, take care of yourself physically, and also ensure that spiritually you're in the right place.
	I had thousands of letters.
	Come in, half of them returned by the Bureau of Prisons for stupid reasons.
	Wow.
	That was very helpful.
	And then my fiancé was with me on the weekends for a few hours a day.
	And I was focused on the mission.
	I knew that in four months I would be getting out.
	Well, I was in there.
	They were printing the new MAGA Deal book.
	Available at newmagadeal.com or Amazon, by the way.
	And I knew coming out That my mission between now and November would be to get Donald Trump back in the White House.
	Let me ask you on that.
	The book is New MAGA Deal.
	Hang on a second, Peter.
	NewMAGADeal.com and the book is The New MAGA Deal.
	Let me start because we've got two minutes in this segment.
	Are you satisfied with where we are 97 days out as a movement, as a party, as MAGA, as America First?
	Let's start with an estimate of the situation.
	Are we where we should be three months out, Peter Navarro?
	Not at all.
	We got sillily overconfident.
	I said back in January Biden would not be the nominee.
	They would take him out or he would step down before the convention.
	We weren't prepared for that.
	It was the obvious thing that was going to happen.
	I'm not saying that Trump is running the wrong campaign, but I think the movement itself is running the wrong campaign.
	Kamala Harris is a person that it's easy to dislike.
	But the way to beat her is not by disliking her, but by showing how her policies are so very different from the big policies that the voters care about.
	And what I try to do in the new MAGA Deal book is outline those policies, 100 actions in 100 days.
	And we can do this when we come back from the break.
	But I mean, we beat her on the economy, the border, Foreign policy, weaponization of the justice system, law and order, and all this woke stuff, right?
	They beat us on nothing.
	They're going to go orange man bad, abortion, abortion, abortion.
	Abortion has become a state issue now because of Roe v. Wade.
	It shouldn't be what's driving the presidential race.
	And we have to be really smart about how we attack Kamala Harris.
	We need to do it on policy grounds where she's very vulnerable. And we need
	to have women doing the arguments, rather than old white guys making stupid statements about
	her that are offensive to women.
	The content, as well as the messenger, we will continue.
	97 days left.
	The book is The New MAGA Deal.
	Go right now to newmagadeal.com or to amazon.com to get Peter's take on what we have to do to save the Republic.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Cut 14 please, Eric. Then I'll do Pete.
	What?
	Mics are hot again.
	Yeah, mics are hot.
	Come in with 14, I'll do PhD, and then we'll go to Peter.
	Yep.
	Alright, one longer segment now, Peter, and then a short three-minute segment, and then you're done.
	Alright, my brother.
	Must be radio.
	Mm-hmm You throw the video out on podcasts
	Is that what you do?
	We do it on Rumble.
	We stream the video on Rumble, and then we use the video for all the social media posts, and then the audio is going live across the nation.
	Like War Room, but War Room doesn't go out on radio.
	How do you monetize Rumble?
	Just through the ads?
	Rumble just... It's nugatory.
	It's negligible.
	The monetization is through the reads on the radio.
	Reads.
	Yeah.
	On the radio, not Rumble.
	No, not... Well, it's, you know, small beer on Rumble.
	They haven't quite cracked that yet.
	Do the reads appear on Rumble?
	Um, Eric, do they put pre... Does Rumble put ads on like YouTube does?
	I think with videos, I believe they definitely do, like, start like a little pre-roll ad.
	Yeah, a little pre-roll and stuff.
	And then for streams, I think so.
	And of course, there are also Super Chats on Rumble as well.
	Those are, you know... Right.
	Yeah.
	we get from our listeners, our viewers.
	Alright, 90 seconds.
	Alright, 90 seconds.
	Alright, 50 seconds, coming in at 14.
	Oh, still need a title for Schlicker as well.
	Uh, President Trump is not safe.
	Mhm.
	Alright, do you know Congressman Seif of Texas?
	That is a name.
	Or Self.
	Oh, Keith Self.
	Keith Self.
	Yeah.
	All I know about his origin story is that he challenged...
	...the world to a new level.
	And that's why I'm here.
	You You
	You Thank you.
	In Trump's America, you didn't have to worry about being locked up for disagreeing with the government.
	I went to prison so you won't have to.
	The epic line from the day he was released from political prison.
	We were there at the convention with my wife Katie and the crowd roared to that line.
	God bless Peter Navarro for also just the joy in his voice.
	I don't know if I would have been that joyful after spending four months in prison.
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	We're back with Peter Navarro.
	The brand new book, you've got to get it right now, is The New MAGA Deal with an introduction
	by Stephen Bannon.
	Go to newmagadeal.com to get the book or to Amazon.
	Peter, we've got six minutes until the next break.
	Tell us everything that Americans need to know and do in the next 97 days.
	Starts with the loss that we had in 2022, the congressional election, the red wave that never came.
	I went to the mountaintop, tried to figure out what we did wrong.
	And I started writing the new MAGA deal book.
	And there's a couple of things we need to do.
	The first thing is, we need to run this campaign on policy grounds.
	We know what they're going to do.
	Orange man bad, abortion, abortion, abortion, gender and race politics.
	That's their campaign.
	If you look at what the voters care about in the polling, we have double digit leads in everything that matters to voters.
	So why not go there?
	It starts with inflation, the economy, and the border tied at the top.
	Trump double-digit leads over Harris.
	Foreign policy.
	Everyone in this country knows that Kamala Harris has no foreign policy experience whatsoever, that Donald Trump kept a safe and secure From communist China, imperial Russia, the mullahs of Iran, and the rocket man in North Korea during his term, he's preferred by double-digit margins there.
	Crime in the city?
	We're running against the defund the police queen in Kamala Harris.
	On record.
	Strategic energy dominance?
	Same thing.
	No fracking.
	Kamala, particularly in Pennsylvania.
	We win there, the weaponization of the injustice system.
	There's so many people, Seve, who, Democrats and Independents, who are disgusted by the use of our legal system to punish people like me, Steve Bannon, and the President.
	And then finally, the woke issues we win on as well, because even mainstream Democrats don't approve of women having to compete with men In sports, and having this DEI stuff, and the Pentagon instead of combat readiness, and our corporations, and in our schools.
	So, if you just do it on policy, you kick her butt!
	We can't get drawn into name-calling with her.
	We can destroy her by simply campaigning on our policies and contrasting them with hers.
	The border thing alone should sink her.
	She was given one significant thing in four years by Joe Biden.
	Go down and secure the border.
	She put her nose up in the air when she got down there, sniffed that stench over the Rio Grande, headed back in Air Force Two to the West Wing, and 8 to 10 million illegal aliens followed her in to destroy this country.
	So, The new MAGA deal, 37 chapters, has 100 actions in 100 days on all of these dimensions of policy.
	And I think if we just, if we just run a campaign there on this, it's not just the high ground morally and ethically, it's the strategic high ground, because they got nothing.
	Sebi, if we lose this election, we will lose this country.
	The other thing the New MAGA Deal book does, newmagadeal.com and on Amazon, is it explains in very simple terms what MAGA is.
	They're turning MAGA into a four-letter word.
	We can't let them do that.
	You and I know, going back to 2017, MAGA distinguished Trump from the 16 Republicans from Wall Street on three things.
	Strong manufacturing base, secure border, and endless war.
	That's the heart and soul of economic Populist nationalism.
	That's it.
	And how they get away with calling MAGA anything other than mainstream and Main Street in America just blows my mind.
	But they get away with it, Sebby, because we're not running against her.
	We're running against NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, and The Washington Post, and The Atlantic Monthly, and all that other left-wing propaganda.
	So that's the campaign I would like to see run.
	I'd like to see the women who were at the RNC on stage, on the media, to get women out there talking about how Trump's America is where women can prosper and be safe and secure.
	And right now we're not doing that.
	You're certainly not doing that enough.
	And so I think the Harris thing was a punch to the nose that we should have seen coming.
	It would have been easy to duck.
	I mean, I said it was going to happen back in January.
	But now we can't clutch our pearls because the election is now tight, as it always was going to be.
	And we've got to bear down on policy and win.
	Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
	J.D.
	Vance will help us do that.
	We've got to win Georgia and Arizona, hold on to North Carolina, and maybe take Nevada and even Minnesota.
	That's it!
	We win on policy, Sammy.
	Alright, policy, policy, policy.
	The details are in the New MAGA Deal book by our guest Peter Navarro, newly liberated political prisoner.
	The website is newmagadeal.com, newmagadeal.com.
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	15 is pretty short.
	It's about the Hamas thing.
	No, no, no.
	That's not relevant.
	Maybe 7?
	Jean-Pierre?
	No.
	Oh, come in with 3.
	Then I'll do Katie's book and podcast.
	Yep.
	And then I'll ask Peter one last question.
	Yep.
	Alrighty.
	90 seconds.
	Alright, this segment's super short.
	You'll have about a minute and a half, Peter.
	I mean, I think we've gotten major points out.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	What's your thoughts on how we're doing?
	I think it's not as bad as some say but people don't understand that this is going to be a serious challenge in comparison to Biden and we just have to knuckle under for the next three months non-stop.
	And I don't think we can shy away from what she did in San Francisco.
	We need to talk about that as well.
	So not just the last three and a half years, we need to talk about what she did for her big donors and clients in San Francisco, and her record with, you know, black men in San Francisco as well.
	That is a massive Achilles heel.
	I think we just gotta get more diverse surrogates.
	I mean, if you and I say that stuff, what's up with it?
	Stand by, please.
	I'm not going to do it.
	I didn't call his supporters weird.
	I think it's pretty clear that the two candidates are very weird by our standards.
	And so everybody can have their opinion, but there is no shortage of words that are coming out of their mouths attacking Democrats.
	It's a more playful way of saying things.
	We don't have to say, they're dark and they're dangerous and they're scary and head into that space.
	They're just weird.
	Yeah, you never call us names like white supremacists or Nazis.
	Kathy Hochul calling anybody weird?
	Now that's rather ironic.
	How did we get here and what's the solution?
	Katie's new book Next Gen Marxism with Mike Gonzales has the answers.
	That's Katie Gorka and Mike Gonzales' Next Gen Marxism, what it is and how to combat it.
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	We're back with Peter Navarro.
	I've only got one question for the author of The New MAGA Deal.
	Peter, you've given us a program for the next 97 days.
	What would you like to see President Trump do additionally to what he's already doing?
	What messaging?
	What places should he visit?
	What is on your list?
	I think the better answer for our short amount of time is I'd like to see JD Vance run As a governor in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, in other words, run a grassroots campaign focused primarily on those three states to leverage his vast
	knowledge and experience with the destruction of America's manufacturing base that he lived through Hillbilly Elegy.
	I think he's going to be a major key to winning the Rust Belt.
	And I think that's a big reason why he was chosen.
	He's MAGA and he's appealable there.
	I think he needs to go get on his plane and have a traveling show.
	Not just him.
	Always have his wife there with him.
	She should have speaking roles.
	And he should have folks like Laura Trump and have women surrogates with him and just run like rallies and old revival type things throughout those states.
	Boots on the ground retail politics.
	Donald Trump is the master campaigner.
	He's doing what he should be doing.
	He needs some help from the rest of us.
	He needs J.D.
	Vance to be the closer in those states and he needs more Women, surrogates, on TV, on the radio, like they had at the RNC, which was brilliantly produced.
	But we're not seeing that.
	I don't want to see Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton.
	No, no, no.
	But that's a great piece of advice.
	When we were in the White House, Steve Bannon said, read Hillbilly Elegy.
	I didn't want to.
	I read it in one weekend.
	Go to the states.
	The Democrats have been destroyed.
	Make J.D.
	the point person for that, and then President Trump can do the big picture stuff.
	Of course that's the answer we'd get from the former Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy for the 45th President of the United States, Peter Navarro.
	We need to get him back in the White House, but let's get President Trump re-elected!
	NewMAGADeal.com!
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	Do not touch that dial.
	You You
	You But he and his running mate sure seem to have a lot to say about me.
	And by the way, don't you find some of their stuff to just be plain weird?
	Well, Donald, I do hope you'll reconsider to meet me on the debate stage.
	Because as the saying goes, if you've got something to say, say it with my face.
	Thank you.
	What?
	What happened to?
	I deliberately, I looked down and I, there's no way that's Kamala Harris.
	What?
	Eric, what happened to her voice?
	Is she like doing a Clinton, I carry hot sauce in my purse?
	What was that?
	Yeah, her voice just magically reacts to whichever environment she's in.
	She changes accent depending on whether or not- She's Jamaican and half Indian.
	What was that?
	Was that Ebonics?
	What was she doing there?
	I guess that was her attempt to sound like she would sound if she was actually from Atlanta, where that rally was.
	Maybe our expert in communications can help us out here.
	It's time to connect to the one and only Jennifer Hall and the co-host of the splendiferous new podcast.
	It's called the Happy Women Podcast with my muse, Katie Gawker.
	She keeps Los Angeles sane every morning on AM 870, AM 590.
	The answer, Jennifer, did you hear that Kamala Harris yesterday in Atlanta?
	Where has she been?
	I mean, have you ever heard that, Kamala Harris?
	I mean, they've locked her up for four years, and now all of a sudden she's just filled with it.
	You know what?
	And she comes out there.
	It was very funny.
	On the show this morning, on The Morning Answer that I host with Grant Stinchfield in L.A., there was a couple of side-by-side clips of Hillary Clinton doing her Southern drawl back when she was on the campaign trail in 2016, and it sounds eerily Familiar to the shapeshifter herself, Kamala Harris, who apparently takes on the personality of whichever crowd she thinks she's standing in front of.
	Well, this came up with President Trump today.
	I was watching it live.
	I thought, oh no, oh no.
	Why is he going to an event where he has to sit in an armchair and be grilled by fake journalists from the National Association of Black Journalists?
	His first response was absolutely stellar.
	We've already played that.
	Here's one with regards to Kamala Harris that goes straight to the issue.
	Kamala Harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman.
	Well, I can say no, I think it's maybe a little bit different.
	So...
	I've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much, and she was always of Indian heritage and she was only promoting Indian heritage.
	I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black.
	So I don't know, is she Indian or is she black?
	She is always identified as a black person.
	I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't.
	Because she was Indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went, she became a black person.
	Just to be clear sir, do you believe that she is Indian?
	I think somebody should look into that too.
	The audience is laughing with him, Jan, at an Association for Black Journalists meeting.
	This was amazing.
	And first of all, there's just so many things to note about this performance by Trump.
	First of all, kudos to him for showing up because you know you could be going into enemy territory.
	But he shows up.
	He's confident.
	The woman comes in hot from ABC when he first started out, as you played earlier.
	And he just responds without missing a beat and really took a tour the whole way through,
	actually.
	But it seemed to me that the crowd was on his side.
	They were laughing and kind of hooting and hollering.
	But the mainstream media — I've been watching CNN's reaction to this, and they've been
	saying it's a train wreck and President Trump was questioning whether or not Kamala Harris
	was really black.
	I mean, this — it's just such a spin job from the news media, when, if you actually
	listen to his responses, he gave the answers to the questions they were asking, and he
	didn't let them bully him.
	I thought it was just, I mean, he stuns me every single time, but even in adversity, he just comes away a winner.
	I was concerned, but it was absolutely superlative.
	If you missed the first hour, we have put that two-minute clip up on social media on our sites.
	You need to listen to it.
	Alright, so I need your help here, because I'm like...
	I'm being buffeted, you know?
	It's like that scene at the beginning of Jaws where that woman is being wrenched back and forth by the shark.
	On the one side, I just spent nigh on an hour with my former White House colleague, Peter Navarro, saying, and this is shocking, No, don't attack Kamala.
	Just talk policies for the next three months.
	Don't talk about her.
	And we need more women surrogates.
	Like we have to do some kind of identity politics stuff, which is not what I expected from my very hard-bitten former colleague in the White House who just got released from a political prison.
	And on the flip side, I think we've got the headline, a great article that is really what I believe, from our colleague Colonel Kurt Schlichter, where he says, no holds barred, this is from townhall.com, whatever it takes, and especially Taylor, the argument the critique to the audience you're talking to if you're talking to you know black americans yeah she put black men in prison if you're talking to working class whites you talk about the fact that this is a an elitist left winger from san francisco so you're an expert in communications you are a woman you're an incredibly talented broadcaster how how should we deal with kamala in the next 97 days
	Look, I think it's perfectly fine to make jokes and to do some fun stuff when you're out there, because you have to keep people's attention, and that's the poppy stuff that gets people's attention.
	I do believe that that has to continue, and by the way, they do it on the other side of the aisle, except even worse.
	I mean, I'm not one that says you can't do any name-calling at all.
	I don't think that it needs to all be name-calling, because there is so much of Kamala's record that needs to be explained to the American people.
	So the way I'd love to see the Trump campaign actually position this Is to call Kamala what she is and that's untrustworthy.
	Yes.
	No one can trust Kamala.
	That is what the American people need to understand.
	She is not a representative of black America.
	She's not a representative of female America.
	She is not a representative of progressive America.
	She has at some point or another stabbed every single one of us and every single group in the back.
	So what I think is more important is to use her policy against her because she does have such a schizophrenic record.
	She has put a knife in the back of black men when she threw them in jail for pot.
	She did throw a knife in the back of crime families when she let an illegal immigrant out of jail with 45 days in prison after he rolled over a man's son.
	I know you spoke to that angel father not so long ago, and so did I.
	She has literally broken her promise to every single person in this country, and I would say it's clear that she can't run anything.
	She had 92% rate turnover in her staff.
	The DA's office was a mess in San Francisco underneath her, so she has no leadership abilities, and she is absolutely a shape-shifting, transactional candidate who we need to go to all these different places in America and explain why they cannot trust Kamala Harris.
	That's why she doesn't deserve to be president.
	And is there any balance between, because you sent this amazing list of articles that I used on Newsmax, I think we've invited you back on tonight.
	Yeah, I can't wait.
	Do we focus on all of this transparently transactional stuff that she did in California, or more in the last three and a half years, or is it like 50-50?
	What's your take?
	Look, I think what you have right now is that Democrats are going to vote for Kamala Harris no matter what.
	They would have voted for Joe Biden no matter what.
	Republicans are going to vote for Donald Trump no matter what and will be more enthusiastic than ever.
	We have to mobilize groups that don't always turn up and that is the independent voters People of color, Christian voters.
	And that's why I think it's important for Donald Trump to go into places like he did today.
	And I almost wish that he would have even been more direct with his message.
	Here's what I've done for black America.
	What has Kamala Harris done?
	She has done nothing.
	She's a phony.
	And I think we need to show her for the fraud that she is.
	And we have to tailor our message based on the group of people that we're talking to and continue to stay just focused.
	On the fact that she has done nothing to help anyone.
	Literally, find me one piece of policy that she's passed that helped any group.
	You can't find it.
	You really can't.
	She has done everything she can to accumulate power, and I think really that's the message.
	Yeah, and if you haven't... She'll sell us out.
	I love that.
	She'll sell us out.
	Actually, that's good.
	I love the real time notes.
	It's good on radio.
	You can hear the scratching.
	I love it, I know.
	And also the new ad about the border from Kamala's campaign.
	Give me a break.
	I'm sorry, you will not believe it.
	We'll play it for you next.
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	Hi, Michael.
	What's your comment?
	What's your question?
	My question is, who is Kamala?
	The soon-to-be Democratic nominee is named Kamala Harris, and saying otherwise is a racist insult.
	Oh, go put your head up your arse, you dickhead.
	I mean, seriously, okay?
	What are you, the language police?
	Okay?
	Don't you dare come on my show and tell me how to speak English, okay?
	If she has a weird name, I'll pronounce it exactly how I want you, piece of filth.
	Get off my show.
	Really?
	Good luck.
	That's right.
	Yeah, play it for us.
	So she says, Governor.
	And you know what I also found?
	I was looking at the clips when she was running in 2019.
	She ran on.
	She wanted to prosecute the case against Trump.
	Oh, yeah.
	Let's recycle.
	It's recycled.
	Here it is.
	Let's say this loud and clear.
	Without voter suppression, Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia.
	What?
	Oh my gosh.
	Andrew Gillum is the governor of Florida.
	And she changes words.
	Was that voter fraud she's saying too?
	Can you send those to Newsmax?
	Yeah.
	And don't forget Andrew Gillum was the guy who was all cracked out on the floor, wasn't he?
	Right.
	With a gay prostitute, yeah.
	So you can join us tonight?
	Charming.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm excited, thank you!
	So we're gonna go through some of those articles you sent me.
	Awesome.
	And I think I just found another one for you.
	I'll send it to you later.
	I have to read it through it first.
	What do you want me to send?
	That one and then the... And the one from Atlanta.
	Which one was that?
	The first one, right?
	That she did it?
	The one where she said, look me in the face or whatever?
	Yeah.
	Can you do a shortened version?
	Can you like... They'll do it because it's easier for them to cut it.
	It's better quality.
	Do you want to use that here?
	Hang on a second.
	There was something else I wanted to use.
	Oh, I've got to use... Yeah, come in with that and I'll tee up 10 for Jen.
	All right, minute 40.
	And when was that one, Jeff?
	That's 2019.
	That's a great memory, remembering that we did that.
	Election fraud.
	lifetime ago crazy
	Crazy, crazy.
	It's like playing the hits with these people.
	I know.
	God, we gotta hammer this stuff.
	It's nerve-wracking, isn't it?
	It is, it really is, because the majority of Americans have no idea what this woman is, so she's a complete tabula rasa, and they can just paint her however they wish to.
	And that's what they're doing.
	Yeah, I might use Tarlov on that, and I might use 6 with Jen as well.
	Come in with 19, and then T up 10, and then maybe 6.
	But that's the debate.
	Trump can just say she flipped on every position.
	I love that she'll sell you out line from Jen.
	That's great.
	Because guess what?
	Everybody that she's ever had, she sold out, including Joe Biden, who she called a racist.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah, that's right.
	That was her big moment in the primaries.
	She called him a racist.
	Yeah.
	30 seconds.
	All right.
	Call it 19.
	Call it 19.
	20 seconds.
	I'm going to call it 19.
	I'm going to call it 19.
	20 seconds.
	I'm going to call it 19.
	Let's say this loud and clear.
	Without voter suppression, Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia.
	Andrew Gillum is the governor of Florida.
	What?
	Eric, is that?
	What is that pronunciation?
	The governor?
	The governor?
	That's not San Francisco or even Canada where she grew up.
	What is that?
	I'm amazed again by the fact that in that same sentence, she changed the pronunciation twice for Stacey Abrams in Georgia, governor, and then Florida, Andrew Gillum, governor.
	Is that election denial?
	That's 2019, right?
	Oh yeah, election denial is apparently illegal according to the Democrats.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	What do we do with all that?
	We'll ask our good friend Jennifer Horne momentarily.
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	All right, Jennifer, I promised that I'd tease this up.
	When I saw it, I thought this was like my buddy Chris Coles doing a Bizarro World parody again for Elon Musk to retweet.
	This is the latest campaign ad from Kamala Harris, and it's... Just hold your jaw up, ladies and gentlemen, because it might just hit the floor.
	Cut ten.
	On the border, the choice is simple.
	Kamala Harris supports increasing the number of Border Patrol agents.
	Donald Trump blocked a bill to increase the number of Border Patrol agents.
	Kamala Harris supports investing in new technology to block fentanyl from entering the country.
	Donald Trump blocked funding for technology to block fentanyl from entering the country.
	Kamala Harris supports spending more money to stop human traffickers.
	Donald Trump blocked money to stop human traffickers.
	Kamala Harris prosecuted transnational gang members and got them sentenced to prison.
	Trump is trying to avoid being sentenced to prison.
	There's two choices in this election.
	The one who will fix our broken immigration system, and the one who's trying to stop her.
	Now I gotta ask you Jen, most people in America have no idea who Kamala Harris is.
	It's a good question.
	Is anybody going to believe that President Trump is the open borders president?
	I'd like to say you've taught me something.
	When we were cruising together, you said, Jen, you're looking at this as a sane person.
	So all I can tell you is I'm looking at this as a sane person.
	And I'm also looking at the people that I've seen, like in the man on the street videos that you see on cable television, the polling that indicates that I think 70 percent of the population in the country, or at least of voters, believe that the Biden administration owns the immigration problem.
	I'm relying on that.
	Because I am hopeful that people do not believe the revisionist history that is being peddled by this machine, the public relations branch of the Democrat Party and the mainstream media that are now not questioning the fact that Kamala Harris was in charge of the border, which she absolutely was.
	It's interesting because in California this week, the border patrol agents in El Centro have started to build a border wall using the pieces of the border wall that were funded under President Trump that were just laid to rust and gathered dust, essentially, in the desert by the Biden administration because they didn't want to use any of Trump's border wall.
	They didn't want to utilize the money that was already spent.
	So you want to talk about wasteful these border patrol agents took it upon themselves to start building a second wall to try to stop the flow of fentanyl into the country because walls work.
	I would call out if I were President Trump the Biden administration for not building a wall that was already paid for in large part.
	Unfortunately, you're not going to fix stupid in this country because some people will just not ask questions or they'll believe what the media is dishing out.
	But I really do want to believe that at the heart of the matter, people know what has happened over the last four years and they know who was in the White House.
	Let's look at the tactic.
	It's a bit weird.
	I mean, she isn't the most.
	She's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but just prolific is what I like to say.
	Right now, this is Jessica Tal of another.
	Well, let's just say not the sharpest tool in the shed, who's maybe giving the game away about how they're going to deal with their selected nominee.
	Cut six.
	This is a whole new race.
	Erase your priors of what you think is going on, because there are people who are genuinely excited about Kamala Harris, and then there are also people who would be happy with generic D. Remember, we've seen all of this polling over months, where it's Donald Trump versus generic Democrat, and this was part of what people used to try to force Joe Biden out.
	They said a generic Democrat is running 8 to 10 points ahead of where Joe Biden is, and Kamala Harris Has just begun.
	She's going to need to answer for these things and I frankly think she should just get in front of it.
	Do a big interview and say, play me all the clips.
	Show me everything I said and I will explain to you how I feel differently because I have governed for four years.
	I have been part of the Biden-Harris administration.
	This is why my mind has been changed about X policy relating to the border.
	Medicare for all.
	Delete everything!
	Delete it now!
	Shred it all!
	That's our policy.
	And the idea that she's governed, but I'm confused, Jennifer, because the job she had, they've deleted that as well because she's not the board of Zarina.
	So what was she governing for the last three and a half years?
	The truth is that she's the most ineffective vice president that we've probably ever had.
	She was given one job.
	That one job was a huge failure, but it was maybe not a failure in the eyes of the Democrats because I think we all are smart enough to know that they want open borders.
	They want exactly what Kamala Harris did or didn't do, what Mayorkas did or didn't do, what Biden did or didn't do.
	This is a policy that they want because they want to change the landscape.
	of the country, I don't think that you can delete that from people's memories.
	And I think it's really important that we continue to highlight the stories of victims
	of illegal immigrants, the stories of fentanyl abuse.
	And sadly, this is going to have to be tied to Kamala Harris.
	It's going to be tied to that whole campaign.
	She is going to have to answer for that.
	And that's why I can't wait to see a debate between President Trump and Kamala Harris,
	because I think she is going to have to answer for her failures.
	And I really believe he can hold her accountable if he keeps a nice tone about him and just compares his record with hers.
	I mean, that's really what it's about right now, is comparing column A, President Trump's achievements, versus the empty column of no achievements from the Biden administration.
	And just play like you did with Biden.
	Keep it cool.
	Keep it cool.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	We've been talking to Jennifer Horne.
	You can see her again tonight.
	I'll be hosting.
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	Oh, the rumble. Okay. All right, my dear, we shall...
	I will see you tonight.
	We shall reprise it in about four hours.
	And one of the other things I was thinking, and I've got Daniel looking for him, we've got to get the pastor.
	Lock a brother up, Harris.
	We've got to get him.
	Oh, yeah.
	If he could rally with Trump, that would be really passionate.
	Yeah, connect us.
	So if I can find him, I'll get you the info.
	Superb.
	All right, I'll see you later today.
	Bye, guys.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	Thank you, Jen.
	Happy belated birthday.
	Thank you so much, Jen.
	Highly appreciate it.
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	Kamala Harris will stab you in the back.
	Come in with 12, then we'll do by pillar, then we'll go to calls.
	Alright.
	Stab you in the back.
	Oh, sorry, which cut did you say?
	MSNBC 12.
	Coming in with 12, alright.
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	you In 2020, who did you vote for and why?
	Biden.
	Paralegal, Milvez Teresa, explained last month when we visited, she's switching to Trump in 2024, frustrated by the rising cost of living and running a business in Reading.
	Biden's endorsement of Harris, only pushing her further away.
	She now volunteers at the recently opened Trump campaign office.
	It's just I don't trust her.
	Why?
	Because her background, I don't trust her.
	Wow, isn't that just what Jen said?
	I don't trust her.
	A Biden voter saying she's not going to vote for Kamala.
	Not only is she going to vote for President Trump, she's volunteering for President Trump and she is a Latina.
	Wow, what are the Democrats going to say to that?
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	Dave.
	Thanks so much, Dr. Gorka.
	I have a suggestion for a way to bridge the policy and emotional gap.
	But first, I wanted to share with you what I think we should label Kamala Harris as, because she's a nihilist Marxist with no humility and no sense of humility.
	Sorry.
	The chameleon cackler.
	Well, that's good.
	That's good.
	Chameleon cackler.
	Good.
	What's your second recommendation?
	Well, to bridge the gap between policy and emotion, because I think that we lost 2018, 2020, and 2022 by being too policy-heavy, and I respect Dr. Navarro, focus on the 100,000 annual deaths from fentanyl poisoning.
	And President Trump can say, you know, this is an area where we lose an aircraft of people every day for 1,000 days in a row.
	And these people have no political affiliation, no race, no sex.
	They're just other human beings, and this open border is allowing 300 of your fellow citizens to die every single day for a thousand days.
	Yeah, that's powerful.
	That's powerful.
	Stay on the line, Dave.
	Let's give Dave one of our Bottle Pennsylvania t-shirts with the image of the president holding his fist up high.
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	Great recommendations.
	Let's go to Rose in California, line two.
	Hi, this is Rose.
	I want to apologize.
	The last time I called I was so nervous.
	I was really abrupt, Sebastian.
	No, you sound fine now.
	Carry on, Rose.
	Yeah.
	So what I was talking about, I just was talking to a friend who was in the egg business and
	here in California years ago, Kamala was very lazy and she didn't support the farmers.
	She made the farmers pay for all the attorneys work, even though she had an office full of
	attorneys, but she didn't do any of the work.
	And then she allowed all the eggs to come in from other states and instead of supporting
	our California farmers for the eggs here, I think she's very lazy and I just can't see
	why people would vote for a woman like that.
	Well, because if it were an empty sack of potatoes with the letter D after its name, many Democrats would still vote for her.
	But you're right, Rose.
	We have to tell the world what she did to Californians during her tenure in a state that she helped to destroy as well.
	Thank you, Rose.
	Let's go to Violet San Jose, line three.
	Hi.
	Mr. Gorka, just very quickly.
	I know you said something about name-calling, and I'm for that.
	It's 50-50.
	But using old terms, I think we ought to label Camilla Harris as a hypocrite liar.
	It's very hard to hear you.
	You're on a speakerphone in a car, so what was that last point?
	What are you recommending, Violet?
	That we labeled her hypocrite liar.
	I'm not sure that's a very powerful hypocrite liar.
	Does the left care about hypocrisy?
	That's not the point.
	It's being hypocritical.
	Yeah, but we know that, right?
	They're all hypocrites.
	There's nothing unique about being a hypocrite on the left.
	We need something that's going to stick to her, don't we?
	But we're talking about people on the left.
	We're talking about ordinary gay people that know what a hypocrite is if they've been impacted by a person who's a hypocrite.
	Right, but all Democrats, all modern day Democrats are hypocrites.
	So there's nothing unique about calling her a hypocrite.
	That's the point I'm making, Violet.
	Okay, well, that's your point.
	Very good.
	All right, thank you, Violet.
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	Any remaining cuts you want to... Oh, this is D. Sorry, what am I saying?
	I thought this was E for some reason.
	Patriot Mobile.
	Yeah.
	We've played pretty much most of them, I think.
	Do you want Jake Tapper talking about you just now?
	Uh, yeah.
	Alright, it's converting.
	That was a quick turnaround.
	Come in with cut 8.
	Come in with 8.
	And then we'll do Patriot Mobile.
	Yep.
	Still waiting for the clip to convert.
	Getting it real quick.
	Call this cut 20 You want to hear this real quick
	Yeah.
	It's a minute long.
	Yep, go ahead.
	So, top House Republicans cautioned their colleagues to keep their focus of their attacks on Vice President Harris, on policies, and not on her race and her gender.
	Apparently, Sebastian Gorka, one of Donald Trump's former White House aides, did not get that memo.
	Take a listen.
	This disaster whose only qualification was having a vagina and the right skin color.
	She's a D.E.I.
	hire, right?
	She's a woman.
	She's colored, therefore she's got to be good.
	So just to make sure you understand what she said, because I'm sure maybe your ears might have been Maybe you don't even believe what he just said, but yes, Sebastian Gorka says, we've heard that Vice President Harris' disaster, whose only qualification is having a vagina and the right skin color, that was on GB News, and then on Newsmax, he said, she's a DEI higher right, she's a woman, she's colored, therefore she's gotta be good.
	Didn't you just play that?
	Yeah.
	Why would you re-read it?
	That was like a week ago.
	I'm going to be doing a lot of research on this.
	I'm the opposite of a threat to democracy.
	They're a threat to democracy.
	I mean, look at what they just did.
	They just took over the presidency from a president.
	This was a coup.
	Biden is a very angry man right now.
	You know that.
	They took the presidency away.
	His wife didn't want it to happen.
	They took the presidency away like he was a child.
	Who's making the decisions right now in the White House, do you think?
	A group of people that are fascists, communists, Marxists.
	They circle the beautiful Resolute Desk in the Oval Office.
	Like in the Justice Department.
	I mean, I always felt that Merrick Garland, I had respect for him.
	You know, there were some people that thought I should appoint him.
	I really gave it serious thought.
	He had a good record.
	But in the end, in the end, no, he did.
	I had a lot of respect for him.
	I'm so surprised that he's doing it.
	But you're saying Biden isn't making any of the big decisions.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think he knows he's alive.
	I don't think he knows he's alive.
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	Let's go to Ray in Livermore!
	Doctor G, I didn't know you had that in you.
	What?
	A vagina and pigmentation.
	Oh my goodness.
	What a shock.
	I mean, because clearly, what are her other qualifications?
	Hang on a second.
	Help me out.
	Her other qualifications, I think Jen nailed it with Shapeshifter and one of the other callers called her Chameleon.
	I think that's the name Trumpy should get.
	Chameleon Harris.
	Yes.
	It's so perfect.
	She is just all over the place.
	She wants to run as a prosecutor, but she's so conflicted in how she acted in California and then how she acted as a senator, and even during the whole riots of 2020.
	To call him duplicitous and hypocrite, as another caller said, they don't care.
	They really don't care that you're hypocrites.
	Schumer does it all the time.
	He says one thing, says the other, they all do it.
	And they really, that is something that they just will not respond to or even notice.
	So let's go to Jen's point, or let's kind of break it down to something more operational.
	If they don't care, if Democrat voters don't care, if we've got to target the people in the middle and the independents and the undecided, What is going to be the thing that resonates with them?
	Is it going to be the chameleon thing?
	Is it going to be what she did in California?
	Is it going to be the last three and a half years?
	What do you think is going to appeal to or resonate with the people in the middle ray?
	remind everybody what she said about Biden during the 2020 debate.
	Play that audio over and over.
	Remind everybody what all the other Democrats were saying about her at that same time.
	Remind everybody, play the audio of Tulsi Gabbard completely destroying her during the debate.
	That stuff has to be played over and over again.
	Democrats destroying Harris for her duplicity, for her shape-shifting, for her chameleon-like
	behavior.
	She is such a target.
	She has targets all over her.
	And like Peter Navarro said, put your guys out there, like you, Dr. Gorka, and the others,
	and do the heavy machine gun work for Trump so he doesn't have to do any of this work.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Calm down, because little Zakipu is going to get all excited.
	Hey, Ray may be a veteran paratrooper, but when he says machine gunning, it's metaphorical.
	Calm down, Media Matters.
	Just calm down.
	Carry on, Ray.
	Yes, and when I said target, it was the same as Joe Biden.
	I didn't say bullseye.
	Oh, yes, bullseye.
	It was the same way as bullseye, right?
	Like Joe Biden.
	So, metaphorical, verbal machine guns, which, my friend, you are a 240 on full auto.
	Full auto, Mike.
	Thank you.
	Let's not melt that barrel down.
	Thank you, Ray.
	God bless.
	Great suggestions.
	Let's go to Nick in Philly.
	Nick.
	Sebastian, great talking to you.
	Hey.
	Yeah, I think I...
	I think I got the greatest name for her.
	I have two.
	For Kamala?
	The first one for Kamala.
	Okay.
	I think the first one we could brand her Kamila.
	As in Kamila.
	Kamila.
	Okay.
	You gotta pronounce it properly.
	That's good.
	What's next?
	Kamila.
	And also just use your name.
	K-A-M-A.
	Keep America Miserable Again.
	Vote for Kamala.
	I like it.
	Thank you, Nick.
	Let's listen to what President Trump had to say about what happens if that woman ever gets to be president.
	How awful the situation would be from a geopolitical perspective.
	This is President Trump Cut 4.
	How would they consider a Harris presidency?
	I think they'll walk all over her.
	How so?
	I think they'll walk all over her.
	She'll be so easy for them.
	She'll be like a play toy.
	They look at her and they say, we can't believe we got so lucky.
	They're going to walk all over her.
	And I don't want to say as to why, but a lot of people understand it.
	How do you think they'll look?
	President Xi of China standing together with her, representing.
	I don't want her to be my representative.
	Our country's got enough problems.
	They will walk all over her and her crazy administration.
	That is a fact.
	It will be just as bad as it was under Biden.
	Even worse because of how transactional a woman she has proven herself to be during her years in Californian politics.
	But it's not just what happens abroad.
	It's what happens here in America.
	She said it out loud.
	She's coming after your guns.
	Kamala, cut to.
	We, who believe in the freedom to live safe from gun violence, will finally pass universal background checks, red flag laws, and an assault weapons ban.
	We who believe in reproductive freedom will stop Donald Trump's extreme abortion bans.
	And when Congress passes a law to restore reproductive freedoms as President of the United States, I will sign it into law.
	So weird.
	Why do they talk about guns and then abortion?
	I guess 800,000 babies murdered a year is the connection there.
	She said it.
	We're coming after your assault weapons, whatever that is.
	And for the other weapons they're going to use what?
	Red flag laws.
	That's not an old cut.
	That's a fresh cut from Kamala Harris.
	So that's what we need to use against her.
	How radical she still is today.
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	Kamala Harris did not turn black a couple years ago.
	Oh, come on!
	No.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I can't get the clip in time, but it's, yeah.
	Can you just send it to me?
	Yeah.
	Oh my god, I gotta use that tonight.
	That is too good.
	Oh my gosh.
	Alright, I'm getting no guests for this Rick Grinnell thing.
	I tried Ambassador Friedman, he's in Israel.
	What about Wilkie?
	Oh gosh!
	Oh, but will he do political stuff?
	Can he or will he is the question.
	Will he.
	Okay.
	What was that saying?
	Yeah, just don't put his title, just do his title as the former...
	Uh, Rick Renal killed...
	Okay, good.
	Wilkie, good idea.
	Thanks for watching!
	It just shows you how lazy CNN are.
	I said something a week ago, and then a Jakey finds it today.
	Do you want to use that cut here?
	Uh, no, we'll use it tomorrow.
	No, they just wanted someone saying that, is what it is.
	Because the DEI thing came up during the journalist thing.
	And Trump didn't define it.
	They asked him, could you define what DEI is?
	And he's just like, well, why don't you define it for me?
	I'm gonna use cut 17 here.
	Use cut 17 here.
	17.
	All right.
	Thanks for watching.
	Bye.
	Did the President see the last supper controversy at the Olympics?
	I don't have anything.
	I appreciate the question, I just don't have anything to share.
	Millions of Christians across the globe were offended by it.
	The President's a Christian.
	I just answered your question.
	But was the President offended by it?
	I just answered your question.
	Can I just ask, did he see it?
	I don't have anything else to add.
	Did he see it?
	Thank you, thank you so much.
	Why is she laughing?
	That's so creepy.
	You're talking about the sacrilegious, blasphemous insult to billions of Christians and then you're laughing at it?
	Karine Jean-Pierre?
	That's just creepy.
	But Americans are waking up.
	This is a wonderful clip.
	The lying, lame stream media wants to attack President Trump and a Milwaukee resident.
	Well, he tells the truth. Cut 17.
	What do you think about Donald Trump's comment that Milwaukee is a horrible city?
	He's absolutely right.
	Most Democrat-run cities are horrible cities.
	Murder is out of control.
	Crime out of control.
	We need to get things right.
	You're right.
	All cities do have crime.
	Some worse than Milwaukee and some better than Milwaukee.
	You think he should be saying that?
	That cities are part of America, right?
	It's not anti-patriotic to tell the truth.
	It's patriotic to fix what's broken.
	I have to go.
	Thank you.
	Love that!
	It's not unpatriotic to tell the truth, which is what President Trump does every day.
	Jeff, did a Fox host really ask President Trump what his pronouns are?
	Did that actually happen?
	I think it did.
	Oh dear.
	Let's have a listen before we get to our special one-on-one guest.
	This is President Trump yesterday.
	Cut nine!
	Kamala Harris and her Twitter bio, which I never noticed until this morning.
	states her pronouns as she slash her.
	What are your pronouns?
	I don't want pronouns.
	I don't want pronouns.
	So you're fluid?
	What is that?
	Nobody even knows what that means.
	Ask her to describe exactly what that means.
	What is that?
	Why are people doing that?
	Nobody knows.
	What is that?
	Because they're going crazy, alright?
	We have to bring our country back to sanity.
	So, I say this about the Republican Party.
	It's a party now based on common sense, okay?
	We're conservative?
	I don't know.
	Conservative?
	We're everything.
	But we're based on common sense.
	We want borders.
	We want low taxes.
	We want good education.
	We want to be able to buy a house.
	We want the American dream for our children.
	I want the American dream.
	I want my children to say, man, this is great.
	You don't even hear about the American dream anymore.
	You heard about it four years ago, but you don't hear about it anymore.
	Telling the truth, they're just insane.
	Yeah, she's got her pronouns on her Twitter bio.
	We, the conservatives, are the party of common sense.
	Just reality, not insanity.
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	Next up, what's happened to the Evangelical Church?
	Has it gone woke?
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	Welcome to friends to America first one-on-one with me your host Sebastian Gorka your favorite
	illegal immigrant to the United States.
	Yes, I did it properly.
	I got in line.
	I waited.
	I paid my money.
	I took my test.
	And then I took my oath to the U.S.
	Constitution, which I've since taken two more times as a DOD, as a Defense Department civilian, and as strategist to the president.
	I have to say, as an immigrant, as a legal immigrant to the United States, I was very saddened.
	In fact, it's more than that.
	It's disturbed by what I witnessed during the COVID years in this nation.
	A country founded on rugged individualism, on the concept of individual freedom bestowed upon us because we are made in the image of our Creator.
	And what did we do?
	A diminutive little fascist like Anthony Fauci said, shut down the schools, shut down your businesses!
	Oh, unless you're Amazon or Walmart.
	And we acquiesced.
	Most of us acquiesced.
	And what was most horrific of all, And I say this as a cradle Catholic.
	Our churches acquiesced at a time where we needed our faith communities more than ever.
	They bowed down to the state and to the bureaucrats who were wrong.
	How did we get there?
	And what has happened, not to the Catholic Church per se, but to our Protestant brethren?
	Well, the timing could not be better.
	As of yesterday, a brand new book has been published.
	Shepherds for sale!
	How evangelical leaders traded the truth for a leftist agenda.
	And we have the author with us.
	She is the culture reporter for The Daily Wire, Megan Basham.
	Welcome to America First one-on-one.
	Absolutely.
	Thanks so much for having me, Mr. Gorka.
	Sebastian, please, or Dr. G, but not Mr. Gorka, okay?
	We have lots of mutual friends, including people who are intimately involved with the writing of this book, or helped to inspire it, and people like Andrew Klavan, so...
	Let's start with that.
	What was the spark, what was the catalyst that made you want to write an inside expose of, well let's just summarize it, how truly woke and left-wing the Evangelical Church has become?
	Well, you know, to start with, I jokingly call myself a church lady, but it's only half of a joke because I have very much lived my adult life as a church lady.
	We're deeply involved in our local congregation.
	My children went to a Christian school.
	I worked before the Daily Wire for a Christian media outlet.
	So I had a front row seat to the capitulation and compromise that I cover in this book.
	And really starting around 2018, 2019, I started to notice some things that were disquieting, let's put it that way, concerning, particularly around the issues of racial politics.
	Suddenly, we were bringing things into the church where I saw very well-known megachurch pastors, church planting network heads, using terms like white privilege and talking about how we as white Christians A racist and will always be racist because of the color of our skin.
	So that was concerning when I received an email from the Ministry Director of Children at my church telling me how I could talk to my kids about white privilege.
	I really got concerned.
	And then, as you just mentioned, we went into COVID.
	And during those COVID years, like you, I saw the vast majority of evangelical leaders and ministries Capitulate to the federal government in a way I would never have expected, and not just capitulate, but actually join arms with the federal government, in particular with the National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins.
	And they promoted him, and they covered for him, and they lied about his record.
	And when all of that started happening, I started reporting on it because I couldn't not report on it, because nothing's more important to me than the state of the church.
	And after that, the floodgates opened, and I just heard from so many Christians who were experiencing what I was experiencing, were alarmed as I was alarmed, and I started reporting on it.
	That got a lot of attention.
	It became this book.
	Well, you have some amazing endorsements for the book Shepherds for Sale.
	You've got your own Ben Shapiro at The Daily Wire, Molly Hemingway, my good friend David Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh's brother, Vordy Bolkum, who's been an absolute warrior on these issues, and my Salem colleague Eric Metaxas.
	So, first, before we break down the various aspects and the chapters in the book, how much of this is A church that just became earthly and weak, and how much of what we have witnessed is the result of, I don't want to say conspiracy, but a concerted effort by non-religious entities on the outside to come in, to infect, take over and undermine the evangelical church.
	Well, you know, it's very much something of a 50-50 split, and I can tell you that though this book focuses on evangelicals, I did in fact spend a good amount of time looking at some of the history regarding the Catholic Church when it came to communist infiltration, because you have been here before us, and I think you were targeted before us in the same way from some of these left-wing foundations and billionaires and actors.
	So it's very much a both-and issue, not an either-or issue.
	But certainly, starting in the mid-2013, 2010, you started to hear some of these secular foundations, like George Soros' Open Society, like the Tides Foundation, Rockefeller, Hewlett, openly discussing, how do we get around this problem of evangelicals?
	And the reason they were asking that is because, if you're not aware, evangelicals are around 30% of the U.S.
	electorate.
	They are also America's most conservative, and in the words of The Atlantic, and this is actually a true thing from The Atlantic, America's most powerful voting bloc.
	So they overwhelmingly vote conservative.
	They are the firewall for so many policies that you just brought up, like immigration, gun control, resisting climate change, authoritarianism.
	And so for that reason, you saw these left-wing Foundations begin to say, how do we get around this problem?
	And instead of continuing to directly oppose the evangelicals and denigrate the evangelicals, how do we seek to co-opt their influence for ourselves?
	And the plan that they came up with is one that we've seen before, and that was recruiting well-known evangelical leaders to use their influence to affect the people in the pews.
	That was the idea.
	Yeah, the Rick Warrens of the world, etc.
	As mutual friends of ours explained it to me at the weekend, if these interests, the left-wing foundations, the open society, the shorshes of the world, if they can peel off 2 or 3% of evangelicals, or just, you know, Convince them to stay at home when it comes to voting with regards to President Trump, or the border, or pro-life, then that's enough.
	So this is very much a political campaign for those who understand how powerful the evangelical church is.
	It's funny, yesterday I was on a podcast for my friend Rabbi Michael Barclay.
	And he started with this issue of illegal immigration, that's chapter two of your book, and he says, you know, I have these Jewish congregants come up to me and say, well, you have to have an open border because the Bible says, love thy neighbor.
	Is this the kind of angle that is used against evangelicals?
	Yes, absolutely.
	And, you know, just to give you a little bit of background on that specific issue, the National Immigration Forum is a large secular left NGO.
	that lobbies for open borders policies.
	Its most prominent funder in its early years was George Soros, and he continues to give them some
	funding.
	But they also get funding from a lot of these other left-wing foundations that I mentioned.
	They actually created in 2013 an evangelical front group with the name Evangelical Immigration Table.
	And I always laugh when they take pains to put the word evangelical in the title, because it's a little bit like that Steve Buscemi meme of how do you do, fellow kids.
	It's how do you do, fellow Christians.
	So they put it in the name, but they as a secular left foundation created this organization in partnership with some well-known and previously trusted Evangelical institutions like the National Association of Evangelicals, which represents some 45,000 churches in dozens of denominations, was once very conservative, where Ronald Reagan gave his famous evil empire speech.
	And they created this organization.
	And yes, they do exactly that.
	They say to love your neighbor, you have to support these specific policies.
	And some of the more recent activity they've been involved with is heavily backing the Lankford, the failed Lankford border bill.
	They lobbied President Biden successfully to end the Remain in Mexico policy.
	And all of this is done in the name of evangelicals because they claim to represent them.
	They create these sort of astroturf polls saying that, well, evangelicals really want this policy to be enacted because they know that GOP lawmakers are very sensitive to how evangelicals feel about various issues.
	Because if they don't have the evangelical vote, they lose.
	So it's really this campaign of deception.
	And in no way is this a Christian ministry that does things that most of us would not have any issue with, like spread the gospel, or feed and clothe needy immigrants regardless of how they came to be here.
	That's not what these organizations do.
	They are explicitly political.
	They are lobbying organizations.
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	Alright, I think the subheading of your book may be an indicator, but I'm going to ask
	you up front, how deep is the rot?
	We could discuss my church, the Catholic Church, and the Pope as well, but when it comes to the Evangelical Church, how much of it is now woke?
	Give us a percentage.
	How bad is the situation, Megan Basham?
	Well, you know, it depends on if we're talking about the people in the pews, who I think are incredibly solid, they are doctrinally sound, they seek to live out their Christian convictions in the public sphere.
	But then you have their leadership, and I would say on the leadership side, we're teetering maybe 50-50 percent.
	Wow.
	Because when you just showed that portrait of President Trump there in the commercial break, and what strikes me is how many of these evangelical leaders have sort of carved out their secular media bona fides by opposing Donald Trump and suggesting that Christians who support Donald Trump are egregious power mongers, and yet those Evangelical leaders who came out of the Obama administration and who spearheaded political action committees to get evangelicals to vote for Biden.
	Those are the people that are fated and promoted even in organizations and evangelical media that were once considered incredibly sound.
	And I can give you one example, which is Billy Graham's magazine, founded in 1953, Christianity Today.
	At one time, very solid.
	It now promotes people who come out of the Biden administration and the Obama administration.
	And I did a deep dive in this book into its funding and also its infiltration among its staff.
	And I found that between 2015 and 2022, staff and board members of Billy Graham's magazine
	made 74 political donations.
	Every single one went to Democrats.
	And that includes on the editorial staff, their news editor, for example,
	a guy named Daniel Silliman, was donating to Elizabeth Warren's presidential campaign.
	So I think you can say that's pretty rotten.
	Yeah.
	And when, I mean, you've been doing this for I think 15 years now.
	What reaction?
	When you publish that fact, does anybody pay attention?
	Are they horrified with what Graham's team is doing?
	Well, the rank and file are horrified, and that's why I'm here today, because there has been so much pushback among ordinary evangelicals, but you absolutely see a circling of the wagons among the leadership.
	I mean, I can tell you they constantly put out these sort of passive-aggressive statements when I have a story out that doesn't address something like I just said, which is, is it not a major concern that the staff of this Christian magazine is exclusively donating to Democrats?
	They will simply say, well, you know, Ben Shapiro has made political donations, as though Ben Shapiro is an opinion host.
	is somehow the equivalent of the news and editorial staff at Christianity Today, and also failing to draw a distinction between the moral platforms of the GOP and the Democratic Party, which are in no way comparable.
	You have one party that is the party of abortion up to birth and transgender treatments on children, and you have one that is debating truly debatable issues from a biblical perspective, which is, what should our climate change policy be?
	Yeah.
	I'm not familiar intimately with the evangelical churches as you are, but I was shocked to hear from our mutual friends that the likes of Rick Warren, who I deemed to be pretty solid a few years ago, is now rubbing shoulders with the globalist elites in Davos.
	Is this true?
	Yes, that's absolutely true, per Rick Warren's own words.
	And I think it's worth noting that after he started rubbing shoulders with the elite at Davos, Rick Warren himself joined up with one of these evangelical front groups that was funded by the Clinton Foundation, by the Rockefellers, called the Evangelical Environmental Network.
	And they started releasing statements demanding in the name of evangelicals that our lawmakers pass anti-human policies like cap and trade legislation That would make your groceries and your gas more expensive, that do things like demand into fracking.
	And that, you can just see right there what the play is.
	It's to take someone with the recognition and the respectability of a Rick Warren and convince him to use his influence to say, this is what evangelicals want.
	One, to convince lawmakers that they need to enact this, even if they're very conservative lawmakers, but also to hopefully influence those Evangelicals in the pews to also back those kind of policies even though scripturally at best It's debatable at worst.
	I would say it's anti-human Has there been any blowback for these leaders like Warren and others when you reveal what they're doing?
	Have they have they been pressured by their congregants?
	No not so far and I can tell you for example that when I I did some reporting on Rick Warren's very large, very influential megachurch Saddleback, and about the fact that it was bringing in this LGBTQ affirming curriculum, this transgender affirming curriculum into its Bible studies, and that its counseling pastor was promoting it.
	They went completely silent.
	They would not answer my questions, but they took down all the webpages that indicated that they were using this curriculum.
	Off their web pages.
	So they're not answering questions, but they're obviously trying to avoid the controversy by burying some of this material once I shine a light on it.
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	Meghan, we had just a few days ago, yes they've tried to delete the video and half-hearted apology, but we had this horrific, hard to imagine anything more blasphemous than this sacrilegious representation of the Last Supper at the opening of the Olympics with drag queens, with a man who was revealing part of his sexual organs and a young child sitting at this tableau.
	I'm curious, where are all the church leaders screaming in protest at this?
	Yeah, you know, I think they have been trained in a term that is very popular among evangelicals, which is winsomeness.
	So, they have been taught that it is not winsome to object to seeing your Savior mocked and denigrated and degraded.
	And so, you saw many of them actually out saying, The way of Christ is not the way of outrage as though Jesus never got angry in the Bible.
	I guess they missed the bit about selling everything and buying a sword or turning over the money changers tables in the temple.
	I guess their version of the Bible has that deleted.
	Yeah, apparently they're also missing Paul telling us that in your anger do not sin.
	He didn't say don't get angry.
	He said in your anger don't sin.
	There are clearly righteous things to get angry about.
	So, it was interesting to see a very well-known popular pastor, Andy Stanley, put out a statement that was actually initially a pretty good statement, where he said that the nation of France owes an apology to the Christian American soldiers buried on its soil that went over there to fight and protect France.
	But, when there was pushback, he took it down.
	And it was a tremendous statement.
	I was actually impressed that he made it, because it was not the sort of thing you hear from him anymore.
	And for those who are not familiar with Andy Stanley in your audience, he has a multi-site church, some 38,000 attendees every week.
	His father was Charles Stanley, a pioneer in the moral majority.
	So, for a moment, it looked like maybe he was refinding his courage, and then, no, when there was media pushback, took it down.
	We're not telepathists, we're not psychiatrists, but that's a pretty good, bloody, that's a bloody good statement.
	I concur with that.
	So what would make him, it's true, right, we liberated the French from Nazi domination, what would make a man who says he's a church leader delete a statement of truth?
	Well, you know, I can only speculate here, but given that I write about, excuse me, Stanley somewhat extensively in my book.
	I know that he has promoted that same LGBTQ curriculum that I just mentioned about Rick Warren.
	I know that he has members of his church and on his staff who are deeply involved with an organization called the Reformation Project that is funded by secular left LGBT grantmakers.
	And so I have to wonder if maybe some of them got in his ear about that statement.
	And certainly the media pushback.
	And what I can tell you, and something I repeatedly demonstrate throughout this book, is just how very, very sensitive all of these pastors are to the reactions of the New York Times, CNN, NPR, Washington Post.
	They like for those outlets to write about them favorably, and they will often take positions and make statements so that they will get that kind of favorable notice.
	Right, because those institutions are such champions of Judeo-Christian values, especially the New York Times and the Washington Post.
	We're talking to Megan Basham of The Daily Wire, author of the brand new book released just yesterday.
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	So Megan, I was discussing your book and the phenomena of Christians who on every policy
	angle should agree with my former boss, President Trump, whether it's security, the economy,
	whether it's life.
	I mean, it's quite stunning.
	I hate to say this, given the fact that I love Ronald Reagan.
	Not even Ronald Reagan as president addressed the March for Life.
	There's only one president who's ever done that as president, and that's President Trump.
	So on every tangible, real aspect, any Christian of any denomination should support President Trump.
	So what is it with some evangelicals or even some Catholics?
	And the reply I got from our mutual friends was, well, If I openly admit that, people will think less of me.
	And I'm trying to make that gel with the message of our Lord and Savior.
	Nothing Jesus did, nothing Jesus did, was for acceptance.
	You think of all those instances where he healed somebody, brought somebody back from the dead, and actually told his family members, don't tell anyone I did this.
	Okay, of course they did, but if he wanted acceptance and popularity, he would have said, bring your sick to me and I will publicly heal them.
	No, he didn't.
	He was the antithesis of worldly acceptance.
	It was the rejection of worldly acceptance.
	And beyond that, the ultimate, the symbol of our faith is the cross and the message, as Paul and others, St.
	Paul, have so eloquently given us for the last two millennia.
	Our church is about suffering, is about taking upon suffering willingly and joyfully and turning it towards God.
	So, I have to ask if you've thought about the theology of this.
	You said you started following these issues or you saw a turn, a massive turn in 18 or 19.
	With everything you've chronicled in your book, Shepherds for Sale, I just don't get it how the leaders, the people seduced by what the leaders are saying, don't understand that everything they're buying into is really a rejection of Christianity.
	Well, I mean, I think there's a few things there.
	One, you brought up the issue of Christ's model for us.
	And certainly he, in his era, had a lot of religious leaders that he had to indict for these very things who were operating under a fear of man, as it's called in scripture.
	And that's what they were doing.
	They wanted to be lauded in the marketplaces.
	They wanted to be celebrated.
	And I don't think it's any different today.
	And I think that's why we see in passages like Jude 1, Christ's half-brother, warns the church that you need to be on the lookout for these infiltrators who are trying to use your gatherings and your church bodies in order to bring in an immorality that Scripture knows nothing of.
	They're trying to use it for worldly purposes, and I think that is something that we're absolutely seeing today.
	I also think that there are some very misguided and fearful shepherds who could be brought back, and that is what I hope that this book will do, and that's part of why I shed light on it.
	Certainly not because I want to attack the church.
	I love the church.
	What I want are good, godly leaders.
	I also believe we need leaders, so I'm in no way looking for a leaderless church here.
	But we do need good, godly leaders, and that means we need those who are aligning their public voice with what Scripture says and not with what will receive positive notice from those organizations that you mentioned, The New York Times, The Washington Post.
	And unfortunately, that's not what's happening right now.
	And they so very desperately don't want to be associated with the great, unwashed evangelical Trump supporters that they bend themselves in pretzels that even when Trump gave them something that other presidents who themselves said they were evangelicals, like George W. Bush, were not able to give them, which is the overturning of Roe v. Wade, they still would not give him credit for that.
	They suddenly redefined what pro-life meant instead.
	Yeah, I find that the most offensive that President Trump still has to prove himself to the pro-life movement, the man who actually struck down something which I thought as a cradle Catholic I never thought would be destroyed before I died myself.
	Absolutely numbing.
	So in all these insidious Influences, the climate change agenda, open borders, pro-abortion, CRT and on and on and on, and LGBTQ, which one of them is the most pernicious and which one has done the most damage to the church or to church leaders?
	Well, you know, in terms of impact, I would probably say the LGBTQ issue, because that has been the issue that has Really seeing so much activism come in.
	And so on the one side, you have some fearful church leaders who know the truth, who adhere to sound biblical doctrine on that issue, but they won't talk about it for fear of offending and because they want to be seeker sensitive, meaning they don't want to offend the non-Christians who might be visiting their church.
	And then on the other side, you have an army of activists who are being bankrolled by these secular left foundations to come into churches to transform their doctrine.
	And so what that has done is created a crisis of confidence in the younger generation of Christians.
	And now we have this trend known as deconstruction, where suddenly young Christians, because the word was not proclaimed boldly and with confidence to them, suddenly don't even really understand what it says.
	And so they announce, well, I am deconstructing, meaning they're leaving the faith or they're staying in the faith, but it's not really the faith.
	It's some sort of bizarre social justice amalgamation that is claiming to be
	Christianity.
	The same thing that the great theologian J. Gresham Machen decried in the 1920s when he
	said liberalism is a different religion.
	It's not Christianity at all.
	Yeah, just like environmentalism as the great Blaise Pascal said if you try and kill God all you leave is a God-shaped hole in the soul of human beings.
	It has to be filled with something.
	We're talking to the Daily Wire's Megan Basham.
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	In the last two minutes we have with you...
	You didn't necessarily write it for church leaders.
	You also wrote it for the people in the pews.
	What advice can you give to those who see this decrepitude seeping into their church or their broader evangelical community?
	Is there something they can do?
	Yes, so one, I would say don't despair and don't abandon these institutions.
	Some of these seminaries that I write about, the largest seminaries in the U.S., what's going on in them is concerning, but they're not lost.
	So the first thing I would say is let's fight for these institutions because it's a lot harder to rebuild from the ground up than to try to recapture some of those that are still available to be recaptured.
	Some are completely gone, and I think you can tell which ones they are in the book.
	And then the other thing is you need to start talking to your pastors.
	A lot of times these guys, they're signing letters, they're joining up because of the friendship network, they don't really understand what they're doing.
	So try to help your pastors understand who these organizations are and who's behind them.
	Give them my book.
	And then the third thing is, I would say, for those who clearly are the wolves, for those who are sold out and they are doing worldly work, not kingdom work, stop giving them your tithes, your offerings, your money, and your attention.
	We just need to cut them off entirely.
	Fabulous advice.
	And of all the influences, who's the most nefarious?
	Is it George Soros?
	Is it the Foundations?
	Is there one that really deserves recognition as the most antithetical to the future of the Church?
	You know, it would be hard to pick out just one, but certainly the Democracy Fund, which is backed by Pierre Omidyar, the Buddhist founder of eBay, has done a lot of destructive work in the Church.
	Pierre Omidyar has done a lot of destruction to the principles of The Republican, the foundation, foundational values of our nation, not just the evangelical church.
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