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So, I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop.
I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop.
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In listening to the charges from the judge, who's, as you know, very conflicted and corrupt, because of the confliction, very, very corrupt.
Mother Teresa could not beat these charges.
These charges are rigged.
The whole thing is rigged.
The whole country's a mess between the borders and fake elections, and you have a trial like this, where the judge is so conflicted he can't breathe.
He's got to do his job.
And it's not for me that I can tell you.
It's a disgrace.
And I mean that.
Mother Teresa could not beat those charges.
But we'll see.
We'll see how we do.
Mother Teresa couldn't beat those charges.
President Trump, my former boss outside the courtroom in New York this morning, The jury is already in deliberation after the strangest, strangest of instructions from acting judge Juan Merchan, where he said, I find this absolutely unbelievable, I don't want to get this wrong, so I'm going to read for you what was posted on social media early today by one of our friends, because it's
It's insane.
This was this morning, 1141, just before the jury retired to deliberate.
Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict.
So, for the first time in our history as a republic, A jury of your peers doesn't have to agree.
There can be people who say, I don't agree with that charge, and they can still find him collectively guilty.
How is that possible?
Let me continue our journey into Wonderland.
The judge instructed the jury thusly, four of you could agree on one of the crimes.
Another four on a different one.
And another four on a third crime.
Judge Machan said he would treat that four, four, four separate, separate decisions of minority agreement as a unanimous verdict.
And they've piled 34 counts.
34 counts!
And if four of the jury members agree on one of them, one of the 34, President Trump will be declared guilty in this obscene perversion of the rule of law that we don't have to have agreement.
So everything you've heard even from me in the last five weeks about all we need is one member of the jury.
Maybe one of the two attorneys or maybe that immigrant, that naturalized citizen from Ireland who may be sane.
Maybe that man could say, nah, I don't buy any of it.
Cohen's a convicted perjurer.
Stormy Daniels thinks she talks to dead people.
It's all garbage.
I don't agree.
In any other circumstance, that one holdout would result in a hung jury or a mistrial.
President Trump would walk out of that courtroom a free man.
But this morning, Four hours ago, the judge said, yeah, nah, don't have to agree.
Just, you know, pick.
It's like a smorgasbord.
It's like a buffet.
Go through, and if you agree, four of you agree on that crime, four of you agree on that crime, we'll put him in prison.
We are potentially, look, it's good that it's lasted so long, that they're hours into the deliberation, but they could come back into the court while we're speaking, and we will tell you what happens.
But if he means that, if four people out of a jury of 12 can just randomly agree on one crime and find the 45th President of the United States guilty of a felony for a crime that we still don't know what the crime is.
It's not a crime to file and sign a non-disclosure agreement.
I signed one with the Trump Organization when I became one of candidate Trump's advisors back in 2015.
There are literally, as we speak right now, at 3, 12, and 30 seconds, as we are speaking, there are literally thousands of non-disclosure agreements being signed across the nation.
So what's the crime?
The fact that after the election, after the election, a business record was made in January That's how they interfered with the election?
After the election?
How did that occur?
Looking at the lower thirds on the television, the prosecution team is back in court breaking news.
Unclear if there is a jury note.
There may be a question from the jury.
This often happens that the jury is debating something and they need a point of clarification.
We do not know if that is the case, but the prosecution and the Trump team are now back in court.
So this is history in the making.
There is I can't think of a trial more important than this one.
This isn't about OJ Simpson murdering his wife and her boyfriend.
This isn't the Scopes Monkey trial.
This is about the theft of an election before a ballot is even put in one ballot box.
What happens if four members of the jury find him guilty?
Well, look, it's New York.
I told you my experience last Tuesday in the courtroom.
I watched the jury walk in.
I watched the jury walk out.
I was right there in the first row behind the president.
Eight members of that jury were white women in their 30s from New York.
You don't have to be a mentalist to guess who they voted for in 2016 and in 2020.
We have two older men in, what, maybe their 40s or 50s.
Maybe they're the attorneys.
But this is New York, and this is a jury that the first time in history has been told, you don't have to agree.
You can pick and choose.
Just give me four of you.
Just give me four of you to decide on one of the 34 counts, and then I'm putting him in prison.
And then what happens?
What does the Secret Service do?
Would the Secret Service allow their protectee to be handcuffed, shackled, taken to central booking?
Their mandate, they only have one mandate, is to protect their principal.
They can't hand over the security of a current president, a former president.
They can't hand it over to the court security, to the NYPD, to the booking sergeant down in the tombs.
No.
So what happens then?
We have never, ever crossed this Rubicon.
Is America ready?
We're about to find out.
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you I'm going to go ahead and close this out.
I I think either outcome is going to favor President Trump, and here's why.
Once that outcome is behind us, people will see in the not guilty case, what are they going to see?
This was a sham trial.
This was a trial where Alvin Bragg made a commitment to voters, saying that he was going to go after Donald Trump.
You name the man, I'll show you the crime.
That was his mentality.
That's exactly what he did.
In the case where he's convicted, nobody in the United States of America could still possibly tell you what exactly was the crime that Donald Trump committed.
And if he's being sentenced on that basis, they will see the injustice of that as well.
So this has backfired, backfired as it should, and thankfully we will be able to end the weaponization of justice when Trump wins that next term.
Interesting analysis.
Either way, President Trump wins because the American people will see through it.
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He is an adjunct faculty member for the Missouri State University School of Defense and Strategic
Studies.
He spent 12 years in the CIA as an intelligence analyst, retired officer in the U.S.
Army Reserve, and most importantly, He's a friend of mine.
He's a former colleague of mine from the National Defense University, and he has a book that's very relevant to everything happening in America today, Neutering the CIA, Why U.S.
Intelligence Versus Donald Trump Has Long-Term Consequences.
John Gentry, welcome to America First.
Thank you, Sam.
Great to bump into you recently, and then you pushed this book into my hand.
A fascinating book, a very, very well-timed book.
Let's talk about why you wrote this book.
What was the first motivation?
Because you have such an inside knowledge of the IEC, the intelligence community.
What was the reason for this book being written?
The reason is that in the 1980s when I was at CIA, I experienced a low level of politicization.
It was coming from the political right.
We were asked basically to add some adjectives to describe communism a little bit worse than it was.
To up the threat a little bit.
A little bit.
And the motive was pretty mundane.
It seemed to be bureaucratic.
It was sensitive to the issue of the costs involved in And the politicization of intelligence.
And in the summer of 2016, you had Michael Morrell, former deputy director at CIA, write an op-ed in the New York Times that said, on the basis of my intelligence experience, I'm endorsing Hillary Clinton and criticizing Donald Trump.
And it said to me, you know, wow, flashing red lights and so on.
Something dramatic.
Had changed and I wanted to know why.
So, wrote some articles and then started this book with three analytic questions in mind, three research questions.
What exactly had happened where?
How and why did it happen?
And thirdly, and in some respects more importantly, what are the consequences?
Right, so let's talk about it.
You've got some fascinating chapter headings in the book that kind of give us a pathway through the story.
How the IC's role, what the role, the traditional role of the intelligence community is in American politics, how the current situation developed, and the shock of Donald Trump.
Let's focus on that for a second.
So in comes this man who has no background in politics, never served in the military, and then he becomes suddenly the commander-in-chief What was the substance of that shock to the system when he became president?
The shock was that in the 15 years or so, perhaps a little bit more before that, the organizational culture, the CIA in particular, had changed dramatically.
Partly it was due to the influx of young people after 9-11.
But to a large extent it was due to purposeful changes in the organizational culture brought about by the Obama administration.
I want to get a little bit technical here.
How much of the shock to the system or perhaps potential dysfunction was a result of John Brennan changing the structure internally?
Where you created these new Intel centers, where analysts started to get involved in operations.
How much did that change how things were done?
It changed things procedurally for a little bit, but I think the far more important was the alteration of the organizational culture from the DEI, the diversity, equity, and inclusion perspective.
President Obama signed an executive order in 2011.
Brennan and Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper took that on board and Brennan says in no uncertain terms in multiple places including his own book that he sought to change the organizational culture at CIA.
He didn't like what it used to be and he wanted it to be different.
But let's talk Turkey.
What does that mean?
Promoting DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion.
What does that do to the culture of intelligence analysis?
What it does is change the kinds of things that you can question.
So issues that you can address.
The way you address them.
It changes the language that you use.
It changes your concept of what's a correct answer and what is not.
What it also did was address material interests.
So there became a large number of people who not only were convinced of this for political, ideological reasons, but there were a number of people who were advantaged materially by it.
Hired, promoted, given good assignments, and so on.
So it sounds as if there's not a party political, but a political ideological matrix being pushed on the community.
Yes, so this was, again, purposeful, and it's also due to the, well, it was in effect across the country.
I'm, of course, looking just at the intelligence community.
All right, we're going to continue to break it down.
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I think the defense did a really effective job essentially saying the idea that these records were falsified
is in their words just absurd They said the way that they actually put in the legal
retainer language, which is the thing that's actually false, is a drop-down menu in the
accounting software trying to take the sting out of the idea that this was some sort of
criminal conspiracy.
And that's just a drop-down menu.
It's not a drop-down menu.
It's a drop-down menu.
He's taking these shots, this antagonism, this taunting to the intelligence community.
Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
So, even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this.
What is the most senior Democrat in the Senate doing?
Threatening a new president with the intelligence community taking revenge?
Six weeks from Sunday?
That's Chuck Schumer.
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Intelligence vs. Trump Has Long-Term Consequences, adjunct professor, former CIA analyst from
the Missouri State University, John Chantry.
John, talk to us about what happened in 2016, the reaction of the intelligence community
to the arrival of President Trump, and what it could bode for later this election year.
So, we talked before the break about how the organizational culture changed.
It's pretty clear that most of the people in the intelligence world, people at CIA, thought that Hillary Clinton would be the next president.
They were happy with that.
Because this was going to be a continuation of the Obama administration.
Well in the summer of 2016, candidate Donald Trump began to appear to be a threat to that likelihood.
So then of course when he won, he became a threat to the DEI.
ideology and the material interests of people. So this generated an outpouring of animosity
by former intelligence people and by currently serving people.
Let's talk about Mike Morrell, former acting director of the CIA, who's now admitted under
congressional testimony that he orchestrated and helped to bring together the letter of the 51.
CIA directors and intelligence analysts stating the Hunter laptop story was most likely Russian
Right.
disinformation.
How would you qualify that as a former intelligence professional?
I would say that's absolutely inconsistent with longstanding norms of a political public
service.
Right.
Making public statements for political purposes.
Yes.
That's a classic definition of politicization.
And what he didn't say, and I can pass on here, is that one of the people who was approached to sign that told me that the pitch received was to help Joe Biden.
I think I know who you're talking about.
It's a friend of mine who refused to do so.
No interest whatever in recruiting experts on Russian disinformation.
So let's talk about, I mean we're waiting for the jury to come back right now.
They've requested a jury note with regards to prior testimony from the trial in Manhattan.
I don't know if there'll be a decision today given that they want to go through that testimony.
Whatever result comes out of that, even if he's found guilty, he'll probably redound to his benefit given how popular he's become of late.
If President Trump should be re-elected as the Commander-in-Chief, as a former CIA analyst, as a person who teaches this for the community and for graduate students around the States, What do you expect?
Are we just going to see a redux, a redo inside Langley and elsewhere of this kind of trying to resist the antibody who is the elected president?
I expect to see it again, because you had, as I say, a significant alteration in the organizational culture in the Obama years.
The Trump administration did virtually nothing on this, nothing to reverse it.
The Biden administration has accelerated this process substantially.
The people who are dealing with candidate Trump now know very well that he Put it kind of bluntly, he messed up by not addressing the federal workforce.
We've got 30 seconds left.
Give us one idea of how you could fix this, how you could depoliticize the IC.
Well, you need to get really strong leaders in there, and you need to change policies dramatically.
So change the executive orders, change the internal movements, and then have the relatively few people Appointed from outside, make a concerted effort to change the leadership within the organizations.
How problematic is the SIS core, the Senior Intelligence Service?
Well, most of these people have grown up, you know, think back, it's over a decade now.
They've grown up in this arena and they are replicating themselves.
So it's a serious issue.
All right, you need to understand what happened inside the CIA from somebody who was there.
The book is Neutering the CIA from our guest, my former colleague, John Gentry.
Why U.S.
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All right, let's talk about what's happening right now in New York.
Let's go to Philly, line one, Nick.
Hey, Doc.
Nice to talk to you.
I was shocked about that.
Just four jurors to convict on account?
Yeah, out of twelve, only it is four according to the judge now.
We've just rewritten the American judicial system because he hates Trump.
Well, I was listening to you and I have a name for this judge.
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Juan Morsham.
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Juan Morsham as opposed to Juan Murchan.
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Well, the real reason I called was, I guess, you know, while we're waiting for the other shoe to drop, something diverting, I thought, kind of fun, was that dust-up that Marjorie Taylor Green had with the squad.
And I was just laughing, you know, because one of the... I think this actual lady, this is Jasmine Crocker.
Crocker from Texas, yes, the fake eyelash lady.
Yeah, they said that she was a civil rights attorney and she was saying how this was all racist to make black people feel ghetto.
But then, oh, it was either she or AOC was saying, don't play baby girl, don't play.
It's like, okay, who's making who sound ghetto?
Yes.
When she said that Marjorie Taylor Greene had a bad built butch body, I just call it being athletic.
I mean, she's obvious.
I heard she owns a gym, but that was a small business owner before she got into politics.
Correct.
Yeah, exactly.
Although I have to say it's a bit weird, and you can verify this, Don, after you're off.
Do you know what she posted on Memorial Day?
No.
It was really weird.
I just... She posted a photograph of herself in a bikini.
And I thought, of all the things on Memorial Day, MTG, I'm not sure... You could post it on any other day, but... I'm not sure that's the right thing on Memorial Day.
What do you think, Dunn?
Well, probably not.
But maybe if it was the red, white and blue bikini, maybe.
But yeah, I think it was probably not in the best taste.
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But my only thing was like, It just strikes me that Jasmine Crockett, I call her Jemina Cricket because she looks like Jiminy Cricket's illegitimate daughter.
But it's something about those eyelashes, you know, it's like when they look like two big caterpillars.
Girl, you're doing it wrong.
I think we have to come in with that cut.
Jeff, could you get me the girl baby girl thing because that's just too hilarious.
Now you got me thinking, Don, I need to get Katie some camouflage bikini.
That's very interesting.
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Oh, you stupid cow.
Are you serious?
What'd she say?
This has nothing to do with the Biden administration.
I knew that woman.
What's her name?
I can't tell them apart.
Yes, you can.
She's the one that has a show at 11 o'clock.
What's her name at night?
Shannon Bream.
Shannon Bream.
What did she say?
She says this trial has got nothing to do with the Biden administration.
How thick is she?
Is she talking about, what's the whole thing?
I'd like to know if any of the Democrats on this committee are employing Judge Mershon's
daughter.
Yeah.
. .
Please tell me what that has to do with Mayor Garland.
Is she a porn star?
Oh, Goldman.
That's right.
He's advising.
Okay.
He's advising who?
What?
Do you know what we're here for?
You know we're here about... I don't think you know what you're here for.
Well, you're the one talking about... I think your fake eyelashes are messing up... No, ain't nothing... Hold on, hold on.
Order, Mr. Chairman.
That's beneath even you, Ms.
Green.
That's beneath even you.
Order.
I do have a point of order, and I would like to move to take down Ms.
Green's words.
That is absolutely unacceptable.
How dare you attack the physical appearance of another person?
Are your feelings hurt?
Move her words down.
Oh, girl.
Baby girl.
Oh, really?
Don't even play, baby girl.
We are going to move, and we're going to take your words down.
I second that motion.
Oh girl, baby girl!
I just love that.
That is too cool.
Let's go to Victor waiting patiently in Silver Spring.
Line four!
Well, I'm gonna vote for Trump regardless what happens with the verdict.
And I got into it with another neighbor.
You're such a troublemaker!
Yeah, well this time I got the best of him.
He says, I told him, everything the Biden administration touches turns to dust.
And he says, name one.
I said, OK.
How about a T-shirt showing the collapsed pier that fell into the sea?
Oh, yes.
Oh, wouldn't that be delicious to show a picture of that pier collapsed?
And it says, everything the Dems touch turns to this.
And was there a reaction?
He walked away. All right, so I gotta tell a story I've been wanting to tell since we came back on
air after Memorial Day about an incident I had with a Democrat over the weekend and you've inspired
me. So stay tuned, Victor. There really is nothing you can do with these individuals. And also the
mainstream media, even Fox, Sharon Bream is interviewing Alina Hubbard right now outside
the courtroom and she literally just said in the break, this trial has nothing to do with the Biden
Oh really, Shannon?
The fact that the number three, the number three, The DOJ just demoted himself to become a line prosecutor for Alvin Bragg in this case.
Nothing!
Because that's totally normal to be the third most influential law enforcement officer in federal government and then end up in a New York court.
Unbelievable.
Is that stupidity or is that propaganda?
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Alright.
Awesome.
Jennifer Horne!
Ominous and foreboding and then optimistic is what I would say.
I'm an amateur thespian.
I forgot you were there the entire time.
I liked it.
I liked it.
How was my rating, Jen?
What do you think?
Excellent.
I would say 10 out of 10, please.
Thank you.
No problem.
I hate it when it takes me more than one try.
I do too.
It's like my test.
It's my test for myself to be a one taker, but you know.
What are you going to do?
How are we doing today?
Oh, we are good!
I was off a little bit yesterday because I was at a funeral, so back in action today.
I mean, I wasn't off the air, but... That gives me an apropos.
I have to talk about a friend of mine who suddenly passed, so if you'll indulge me, I have a little clip from Congressman Lawler, who also knew my buddy Mark Woods.
We'll play that first and then we'll get to the... Of course, and Wilkie was great.
Oh, good.
I watched it.
I watched it yesterday.
He was.
Katie said his answers were too long.
I liked him a lot.
He's a flipping cabinet member.
Just relax.
Oh, I thought he was great.
I mean, I think that, you know, I mean, he's not going to be like screaming and shouting and dancing, but I mean, I thought his stuff, his content was really good.
I agree.
I liked it.
I got the Bream cut.
The fox cut.
Fabulous.
Do you want Halba's response on it?
Yes!
Is it in?
Yeah, it's a minute 15 now.
Alright, I'll use that with Jen after we do cut 15.
Have you got the image of my body?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Oh, we did Jill Biden.
Oh, Thank you.
He's a great guy.
He's been with me from the beginning.
Listen to him.
We all learn.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you kindly.
We are waiting for the latest news.
It's hashtag verdict watch across the nation.
The jury is still deliberating.
They've requested written copies of the testimony of two of the witnesses, so presumably that means somewhat of a delay in the ruminations.
Maybe there will not be a verdict today, but we will keep you apprised, and you won't believe what a Fox host just said.
We will play that cut for you as well.
Before we do that, I need to pay tribute once more to a friend of mine who we lost far, far too young.
His name is Detective Mark Woods.
He passed over the weekend.
And I think we have a photograph of him.
He is a veteran.
He is a former detective in the NYPD.
And I didn't know that there was a connection to Representative Mike Lawler and my friend Mark Woods.
And he said this from the floor of the Congress.
Mr. Speaker, today I rise to remember the life of a true American hero, Mark Woods, who dedicated his life to public service in the military, in law enforcement, and in his local community.
A two-term U.S.
Army combat veteran and a retired NYPD detective who served on the Joint Terror Task Force, Mark lived a life of service from the start.
His passion for supporting fellow veterans through his role as Director of the Joseph P. Dwyer Peer-to-Peer Veterans Service Program at Bridges and as a Veterans Service Officer in Rockland County was revered by all in our region.
Mark was rightly recognized as Rockland County's 2024 Veteran of the Year thanks to his unparalleled efforts advocating for veterans and getting them the support and services they need and deserve.
Beyond his work for the veterans community, Mark was a councilman in the town of Clarksand and a dedicated family man.
We extend our deepest sympathies to his family, especially his wife Jeannie and his son and daughter, who should know that Mark's legacy will continue to inspire and guide all of us.
On a more personal note, Mark was a great friend.
Well, I was honored to swear in as councilman in January, and I will miss him dearly.
He was a humble and decent man, whose work was rooted in service to the people of Rockland County.
May God rest his soul, and on behalf of a grateful nation, Mr. Speaker, I yield back.
Thank you, Congressman Lawler.
And thank you to you, my dear friend.
Whenever I was in New York, he looked after me.
I will never admit whether I was late for a train one day, and he took me in his unmarked vehicle at a high rate of knots, not using the sirens at all to catch my train.
That never happened.
After he left the NYPD, he was a security detail for the Victoria's Secret Annual Gala.
And the last time I spoke to him, I said, You're a great man, and you need to get involved in politics.
And my friend said, sorry, I can't do that.
I just don't have it in me.
Combat veteran, NYPD detective.
What I find out, after we lose him, just been sworn in as a local councilman.
It's never too late, dear friends.
It's our republic to save.
We salute you.
End of watch.
We've taken over the watch now, Mark.
Rest in peace.
Thank you for indulging me, Jennifer Horne.
It's that time of week where we check in with you and I appreciate you allowing me to do that.
Everybody can get engaged, can't they?
It doesn't matter who you are, how old you are, what you did in a past life.
It's our nation, isn't it Jen?
It is.
And the days of just sitting by on the couch and watching things happen around us, those days are over.
And it's time for each and every one of us to be an active player.
I kind of think about it, you know, when you throw a rock into a pond and you see the ripple effects, that's what I think of each of us.
And we have the responsibility to ripple basically all around us, right?
We create that.
We can spread joy.
We can spread spirit, community, fight.
All if we take the responsibility to save our nation, because our nation is under attack from the inside.
And it's up to each and every one of us to stand for her and give back what she has given to us, which is opportunity and freedom.
So I always say that we each have those responsibilities, whether it's in running for office or volunteering for something close to our heart, or even just not being afraid to speak to people.
Growing up in California and seeing Politics change in this state.
I have a lot of conservative friends who were afraid for a long time to just tell people their heart.
And that doesn't happen anymore.
We can't do it.
We have to at least be unafraid to speak our minds and our hearts.
And just like your friends, get involved in the process.
I love that.
That's going to stick with me and with your permission I'm going to use that again and again and again.
That image that everyone who's ever been a kid knows.
The ripples in the pond.
The ripples in the lake.
When you throw that stone in, skim that stone, the ripples you send, that is who we must be.
OK, guys, breaking news.
The judge, the corrupt judge who donated illicitly to the Joe Biden campaign, Juan Merchan, has dismissed the jury.
The deliberations of the jury will recommence at 9.30 in the morning.
So no verdict today, which I think, I mean, the conventional, the conventional wisdom is, Jen, if they didn't come back, you know, 30 minutes later with a verdict, it's probably a good thing, which means they're actually arguing and they're in disagreement with each other.
Yeah, I think the longer it goes, the better it is.
But don't forget, there's also 34 counts that they have to vote and decide on.
That takes a long time to get through.
And I love being an optimist and I am hopeful that this jury does the right thing.
But this judge has led such a scam of a trial that it's hard to believe.
I feel like best case scenario would be a mistrial or a hung jury.
Even today, if you noticed his jury instructions before he sent them off to deliberate, he's now saying that only four of the jurors need to agree to be considered unanimous.
If a group of four agree that there's guilt on one crime and another group of four agree that there's guilt on another crime and another group before that, he'd use that as a unanimous decision.
I mean, this judge is a joke.
And I just I really hope I pray for President Trump because he deserves to be acquitted.
Um, but it is tough to imagine with this judge steering at the helm of this trial.
And that, we actually, I opened the show on that shocking, shocking revelation that he says, oh, forget about 12 unanimous.
I just need four of you.
Pick one of the crimes, one of the 34.
Four of you agree, then he's guilty.
That shows you one thing, one thing with utter certitude.
This is utterly political because there's no way even in New York that such an unprecedented, unconstitutional, Guidance from the judge to the jury would ever survive an appeals.
It would be thrown out even in New York in appeals, which means one thing and one thing alone, Jen.
They want a guilty verdict now, which cannot be appealed in time before the election.
So we now know the White House and the DNC are actually prepping.
They wanted to do a press conference today.
There was a guilty verdict today.
They just want one thing and one thing alone.
They want to call President Trump a convicted felon for the next five months.
Bingo.
Yeah, that's all they care about.
They don't care about throwing him in jail.
I don't believe that this judge may be, I mean, I'm sure given truth serum the judge would love to throw him in jail, but it doesn't even need to be that.
They just want to say convicted felon Donald Trump when they're running against him because they want to shame us all from not voting for him.
But, you know, so far so good.
It's had the opposite effect.
I mean, seeing the circus that Robert De Niro of all people going down in front of the courthouse with the Biden campaign.
These people look so low class and so low end when they try to tell us that this is just the law carrying it out.
No one's above the law.
Well, then your campaign is going in front of the courthouse.
It's disgusting.
I think the American people, I do have faith that we are smart enough.
And I think that this is backfiring on every level.
And I don't think this is going to benefit the Democrats like they think it will.
Alright, do we have that clip?
Let's play the clip from Fox interviewing Alina Haber just moments ago.
Truly quite shocking.
And Joe Biden, unfortunately, can't really do anything in office.
So he's got to use the same means as somebody who's just trying to have a quick slip and fall and make money.
And that is frankly what we're seeing right now.
This is exactly a Biden show because he's got to distract the American people.
Listen, but the Biden administration is not responsible for this trial.
How can you say the Biden administration is not responsible?
I think it's a state trial.
It's Alvin Bragg.
Whether you think there's a political motive for him, it's not connected to the DOJ.
I mean, the feds passed on these election charges.
Shannon, you should look at how many logs they have of state officials, Letitia James, Fannie Willis, visiting the White House and then tell me that this is not a Biden trial.
I don't care.
Is the point I'm making?
You're right.
The Feds passed on this case.
Also DA Cy Vance passed on this case.
Years ago and then it came back.
And Brad passed on this case.
You know when it came back?
When he decided to run for office.
So tell me how that's not an indication that Joe Biden, who just sent his campaign down here with Robert De Niro yesterday, isn't a part of this.
Frankly, any question that we had of that was squashed yesterday.
And if you have even more concerns about whether he's involved in this, look at the fact that
he is publicizing, literally publicizing, for tonight to have a speech if a verdict
comes out.
That's what we're going to do.
We're going to do it.
We're going to do it.
The fact that you were the Supreme Court correspondent for Fox.
Oh, nothing to do with Biden!
I guess the third person at the DOJ being slid downward to Alvin Bragg's office as a line prosecutor.
That's just an accident as well.
I think we have to get Alina Haber on Jen's new show with Katie.
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from Shannon Bree. I am so surprised.
Especially because she didn't strike me as overtly Naive.
She's dumb.
She's dumb as a stump.
Yeah.
That's the honest thing.
Gosh.
I don't think it's political.
But no, nothing to do with Biden.
What do you mean by no?
It's everything to do with Biden.
No.
No.
Oh, my gosh.
All right.
We've got some stories.
What have we got?
Unreal.
What have we got for Jen?
We've got the homeless housing, right?
And then we've got what else?
Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
Oh, banning schools from notifying parents of gender changes.
Oh, yeah, that failed.
That was a real bummer.
They were trying to collect signatures at United.
They got like 500, 400,000, I think, and they needed 550, something like that.
Was that one of Bill Asale's ideas?
Uh, it was originally his idea, but then they turned it into a ballot initiative, and Rob Bonta ended up giving it the title and summary of the Limiting Transgender Rights Act or something like that.
Which nobody will sign.
Wow.
Unbelievable, these people.
Idiots.
Alright, come in with seven, I'll do Angel Tree, and then I'll tee up eight for Jen.
Seven and tee up eight.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what else is happening?
How are you feeling?
I heard you weren't feeling good.
Oh, what?
Seriously?
My wife, honestly.
I think I'm getting in trouble.
I told her about the Chiquita Banana song, and I just said you weren't feeling good.
I'm going to stay out of it.
You know what?
Forget it.
I'm watching you.
I know where you live.
You'll know where I'll be cruising.
You're going to be living with me and Katie for a week.
We're going to be boats.
We're going to be stuck on a boat.
It'll be fun.
That's the funniest thing.
I know.
Your first cruise.
We're in the countdown.
I know.
Well, do you have any idea what the weather's going to be like?
Cold.
I would say 60s, but... That's not cold.
You are such a California... Eric, if it's less than 90 degrees, you've got a jacket and a scarf on.
I do, yes.
But, like, just wait until you get to the glaciers.
I love cold.
Well, it is ice.
I mean, you know.
What kind of weather do you like?
I like 70.
Like right in the middle.
I like 70 with sun, although I also love rain.
As a California girl, I was starved for rain.
Now, the last couple of years it's been raining a lot, so now I'm ready for sun.
We haven't had sun in a long time.
Really?
Yeah, I mean, we have sun outside at this moment, but it's been very gloomy in the mornings.
We have a lot of May gray and June gloom, as they call it.
It's funny, I have no issue with rain.
I actually don't mind it at all.
I like it.
And people say, and I have to remind people, you know it's water, right?
Yeah, and we need a lot of it here.
I love the rain.
And it's like, I never used an umbrella in my life.
I grew up in England and it's like, it's not sulfuric acid.
It's not molasses.
Calm down.
It's just water.
I know, people go crazy.
And I think I would like snow if I lived near snow.
It's just, it's not an option.
Love snow.
Yeah.
Jeff listening to this conversation right now.
Yeah, Jeff.
He loves Snow 2, I bet.
Oh yeah, that's so true.
Yeah, let the record show, I totally agree with Robert De Niro.
I am one of those people that suffer from Trump derangement syndrome.
I think he is a threat to democracy.
Really?
I think that he led an attempted coup in his country.
You know, he said he wanted to suspend the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election.
At the least, that's just not a patriotic thing to say.
I don't believe that.
I'm kind of confused.
I'll ask Jen.
Why would you actually admit that?
That's Charlemagne, the illiterate god, who says he's a Trump derangement patient, Trump derangement syndrome patient.
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I have watched him when he interviewed, uh, what, Hillary Clinton, I think Kamala Harris and Larry
Elder. I don't know.
I see him when he does some of the big interviews, but no, I don't like him part of my- Oh, Larry smoked him.
He did.
And that's the one thing that I will say about Charlemagne, is that he doesn't just allow people that agree with him on the show, he actually allowed Larry on there, and Larry, you're right, I mean, really kind of schooled him a bit in some of the things that he talks about.
But I have to be honest, if you've watched several of his episodes, he's not exactly well endowed in the IQ department.
Burning it up, as I like to say.
It's like, how does somebody like that get a podcast?
And a huge radio show.
I mean, the guy's like... You know, I don't know.
There's always something to be said, right place, right time.
It's all who you know, I suppose.
All right.
Well, let's talk about somebody in the media who's a little bit different.
I think we have to file him away today as the anti, after yesterday's performance, the anti-Robert De Niro, who I'm quite shocked.
I've always liked his movies.
Dennis Quaid is a good actor.
He's playing Reagan in the new Reagan movie.
It's quite shocking what he says about President Trump.
Cut eight, please, Eric.
He just makes sense.
I was...
Ready not to vote for Trump until I what I saw is more than politics.
I see a weaponization of our justice system.
Yeah.
And a challenge to our constitution by us as Americans that I don't think we're going to have.
You know, Trump is the most investigated person probably in the history of the world.
And they haven't been able to really get him on anything.
Does that shock you?
Um, no.
You know why?
It shocks me.
I want to applaud him for being brave enough to come out and admit that he's voting for Donald Trump.
But it makes me think he's sane because he's saying what I think you think, what I think.
And I believe that more people are going to not be afraid to come out.
You know, for years now, the left has tried to punish people who want to be Trump supporters.
And I think many of us have just said, enough is enough.
And it's not like the guy on the other side of the aisle, to use the phrase I just coined, is exactly burning it up and creating a movement.
There's no excitement there.
They know what Biden has done.
They know what he has failed in.
They know what Trump brought us.
And so I'm applauding these actors.
I mean, you've got a lot of rappers who are coming out and talking about Donald Trump now.
I think the shift is on.
And I say the more actors that are brave enough to come out, the more we're going to hear from.
I think there's going to be not a huge wave, but I think there's going to be a little mini wave, maybe a ripple going through Hollywood, where you're going to get people with backbone actually telling you instead of just secretly voting for Donald Trump, that they are actually going to be supporting him.
Now break it down for us because you've actually got a piece of paper that confirms you are actually a communications individual.
You're actually a graduate of communications.
What does it mean that he's down, the latest poll has him down in all the battleground states.
President Trump on the other hand is Talking to 100,000 people in New Jersey, 30,000 in the Bronx.
He's got black kids in Harlem shouting, we love you, Trump.
And then the response?
He wasn't there by accident.
This is the Biden campaign.
The response is to send a wizened, old, white guy from Hollywood to give a press conference?
Are these guys just, are they totally out to lunch?
Yeah, and not even a good press conference.
De Niro was shaken.
He was getting heckled.
He didn't have anything memorized.
He was using his script.
And this just shows you how scared they are because they're going back to January 6th again.
Yes.
This is what's going to happen is that they're scrambling because they have nothing.
Biden today, Chairman Joe, is in Pennsylvania, not because he wants to travel, because he's trying to shore up the black vote.
The black vote is leaving, particularly black men.
If you look at the polls, Trump's got 23% support with black people in general, and it's even higher when it comes to black men.
This is a shift.
More Latino voters are supporting Trump than are supporting Biden.
He is winning in all of these categories, including young voters.
And the Biden administration is scared.
It is scaring the heck out of them.
And that's why it's going to be more of the same.
And it's not working.
It's January 7th.
It's Trump's a convicted felon.
It's whatever it is that they're trying to use to shame us.
But they have no output.
They have no success story.
And I really believe every day when I wake up, I I feel better and better about the chances that we're actually going to win this one back in 2024 because they're failing.
Whoever's running their campaign is doing a really bad job and they're panicking.
But as somebody told me last week, you campaign like you're the third monkey going up the ramp to Noah's Ark.
You don't take anything for granted, right Jen?
Yep.
Somebody said that politics are never as good as you think they are.
So you want to make sure that you really work and you can't get complacent.
And President Trump isn't.
I mean, my goodness, he's tied to court and he's still doing all of these rallies and going to crazy libertarian conventions, which, by the way, I think we should add that to our bucket list.
It looks a little bizarre.
But he's going all over the place.
He's not just waiting and hoping that he's going to win.
He is working for this because I think he wants it that bad.
Yeah.
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Eric wrote up the article.
He was there.
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I promise.
I didn't even hear anything.
I just, you know, resting.
Yeah, you should read.
Eric, send Jen your article for the convention.
Gladly.
I would love to.
Actually, if you want to, you want to come on the Morning Answer and talk about it?
I would love to.
All right.
Let's see.
That's 6 a.m.
my time, I believe, right?
No, 9 a.m.
your time.
Sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What am I saying?
You're golden.
I thought you were from California, Eric.
Sorry, momentary lapse of reason.
You went full Biden there.
How about 10-15 on Friday?
10-15 on Friday, sounds good to me.
All right, I'm going to text you the column.
Look at this!
We got it all scheduled.
All righty.
Yeah, send me the article and I'll send it to Dan so I can put it in the schedule.
And I'm going to do 818.
Awesome.
Dan, Dan!
Dan, Dan the FOMA.
You know, I go to this funeral for my godmother yesterday.
And all the, oh, are you the Jennifer Horn?
You work on The Morning Answer.
Oh, we love the show.
How's Hot Chocolate Jose and Dan Dan?
I swear, they're more famous.
They don't care about Grant.
They don't care about me.
They're like, tell me about Hot Chocolate Jose.
Everybody likes the behind the scenes stuff.
Everybody loves it.
They really do.
And they're like, we love that you guys have nicknames.
It just shows how much you all love each other.
It's very funny.
All right, we have to work on Nick's name.
All right, you guys.
All we've got is Mr. G. We need to work on some nicknames.
Help me out, all right?
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Talk Friday, Eric.
We'll get that all taken care of.
Awesome.
I'll block.
I'll touch the arc.
You can block.
Cool.
Um, title for that.
Um...
Amen.
Thank you.
What did Shannon Bream just say?
Question mark, exclamation.
Two minutes.
Oh, we didn't mention the bloody pier.
I might have to mention that now.
What do we got on the line?
I'm sick of the news reporters telling what is true and what is false.
Trump trying, how can we build a pier?
Good.
MLK and Nelson Mandela were also arrested.
Trump doesn't bother me.
Okay, good.
Have we got the libertarian cuts?
Oh Jeff, uh, they just won right the guy Yeah, we have that. Okay, so you can just play me. I'm
working on getting it right now One second Dave Smith or David. What is it Dave Smith? He
goes by Dave Smith Wait
Listen, here's my message to the libertarians here The former president of the United States of America and
the current front-runner to be the next president is here to talk to you
Good.
How long is it?
23 seconds.
What?
23.
Okay, stop it.
It's a shortcut.
Okay.
Count me in with nine.
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Nine, then pillow?
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The truth is, Sean, it is about election interference, this case.
This case is supposed to interfere in this election we are in right now, because Joe Biden's approval rating is the lowest of any incumbent in history.
He cannot win with the numbers he has right now.
And you saw the panic on the Democrat side, because who did they roll out today?
A crazed Robert De Niro outside of the courthouse, spewing all kinds of nonsensical things.
This is a serious case and it has serious implications not just for my father-in-law and not just for the people that are sitting there in that courtroom, but for the future of America.
God bless Lara Trump.
Jeff, did you see when De Niro walked up to the court, was it yesterday?
He was wearing a COVID mask?
Yeah, what was that all about?
Outside in the summer too.
I mean, loony.
Just a loony.
Total, utter loony.
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Randy in Knoxville!
Hey, Dr. Gorka!
Hey!
Hey, I wanted to ask you, you know, something I've noticed these last few years, especially since Trump made the scene, these reporters, they have decided that they're the arbiters of truth.
You know, it used to be, like Shannon Broom would say, other people say that that's not true.
She says that's not true.
She knows what's true.
She's not doing her job as a reporter.
That's so true.
Since when does a reporter chime in to make a qualitative judgment?
They're doing it all the time.
Brett Baier did the same thing when he was interviewing Trump last month.
Oh, no, sir.
That's not true.
There's no evidence of any kind of chicanery in the election.
It isn't.
And he kept doing it, like Chris Wallace at the debate.
These guys, they evidently didn't go to journalism school.
And here's the big thing, Dr. Gorka, that prompted me to call you.
At four o'clock on the SRN radio top-of-the-hour news break, SRN reporter Greg Cluxton said President Trump falsely claimed that the judge has not allowed him to defend himself.
Are you kidding me?
All right, I'm going to talk to Greg.
That's out of order.
Mr. G, let's get that audio from Greg Cluxton.
I'll have some short words with Greg.
Thank you, Randy.
Stay on the line, Randy.
Let's give Randy one of our... What should we do, Eric?
Should we do the Frat Brothers t-shirt?
What do you think of that one?
That's my favorite piece of merch in a long time, so I say yes.
The beautiful image from Chapel Hill of the Frat Brothers saving the Stars and Stripes.
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All right, let's go to Robert in Georgia.
Line three.
Hi.
Appreciate your time and talent.
Thank you.
You're very welcome.
I think you're missing a very good, very important vocal point.
You're not using the term lynch mob.
You're not using the pride of saying, like Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, Donald Trump has been arrested by a racist lynch mob tried in front of a racist court.
Well, it's tough to do that because Juan Marrachan is white last time I looked, although clearly he's Hispanic, but I do like this idea.
Somebody did talk about Nelson Mandela, but I like the idea of using language like lynch mobs.
Why do we add the adjective racist?
What's the racial component here?
Because Martin Luther King and many others back in the 60s were arrested.
And we're tried.
Now, you're looking at the racist component of the prosecutors, not just of the judge.
Oh, I see.
The Alvin Bragg, Letitia James.
That's actually really good.
I like that, Robert.
Stay on the line.
What's another good t-shirt?
Oh, what do we have, Eric?
It's the Trump did nothing wrong.
Is that one of our newer ones?
That is one of our most popular ones.
I think that's rather appropriate.
That's an excellent point from our friend Robert.
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And I mean that not like, I'm discerning racism in something that you're doing.
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Steven Miller, who's a Trump administration official running ads in Florida, saying that the only real racism is racism against white people.
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Of course that's Rachel Maddow.
Hey, Jeff, if there was an ad with Stephen Miller saying, uh, white pride, wouldn't we, like, be seeing it every day on CNN and MSNBC?
It would be all over the place.
And does she know that Steve's Jewish?
And why would he be running the ad in Florida, which is a state that's pretty solid red now?
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A fascinating report that he published online.
And we also have very interesting clips from the convention.
This is, I think he's called Dave Smith.
I think he's a comedian and I think he was the warm-up act for my former boss, President Trump.
Listen, here's my message to the Libertarians here.
The former president of the United States of America and the current frontrunner to be the next president is here to talk to you.
We are not a bunch of college leftist sissies.
We believe in free speech.
So be respectful.
If there's any place that should believe in free speech, it's the Libertarian Convention.
And we've got somebody who's got something to say about that.
He is the former CEO, I don't know how to pronounce it, Libricom.
He is clearly a libertarian.
Jeremy Kaufman, welcome to America First.
Hey, it's great to be here with you, Seb.
And I was just at the convention.
I've been one of Trump's critics, actually.
In fact, Trump, the Trump administration, when I was the CEO of Library, actually sued me.
The Trump SEC.
I doubt Trump knows personally that he participated in it.
So tell us what it was like at the convention, because we have kind of reports of heckling and what have you.
And then they chose some pro-open border, pro-LGBTQ guy as their candidate.
I think we've got photographs of the guy.
His name is Oliver.
I don't think he's the best choice for the Libertarian.
So tell us what the convention was like.
And then, oh, there he goes, Chase Oliver.
And then tell us where you stand today with regards To my former boss, President Trump.
Well, Chase Oliver was the best possible candidate for the Libertarians to elect if you want to see Trump win in 2024, quite frankly.
Because this guy is not going to pull a single vote from anyone on the right.
Some of his positions on kids, open borders, absolutely reprehensible, not something that I can stand with.
Hang on, Kevin.
Okay, so I'm glad you said it.
We haven't rehearsed any of this.
We've never spoken before.
I DM'd you on Twitter a couple of days ago.
So explain to me how an open border, totally LGBTQ, LMNOP guy is the face of libertarianism.
I'm a little bit confused because that's not the libertarian party I knew.
Oh man, Seb, it's hard.
Here's why.
Because about nine out of ten Libertarians are on the right.
That's actually what the stats show.
The Libertarian Party is full of the one-tenth that aren't sane.
Because sane Libertarians mostly work within the Republican Party.
That's what we do here in New Hampshire.
We've got lots of Libertarians elected up here.
Isn't that your real challenge?
That that's really, you know, where you function is inside the bigger tent?
Well, you know, what did Ron Paul accomplish when he was in the Libertarian Party versus when he was within the Republican Party?
You got it.
You got it.
So I think Libertarians need to support Trump this November.
Make that case, because you're talking to about three and a half million people right now who are of every spectrum on the right.
So what's Jeremy Kaufman's take right now on 45?
Well, I don't know if I have a take for the conservatives.
I think they're already sold, right?
But my take for the libertarian-leaning conservatives is there might be some things you don't like about Trump.
But there's no other person who can win, and there are real things that libertarians can accomplish.
And we have a Trump.
I think one of the reasons to believe that Trump is different, or we could get even more in these next four years, is He's pandering to libertarians.
He's got Vivek in his corner now.
I think that's a big deal.
I'm a big Vivek fan.
I think he has some really great ideas and Trump and him are clearly working together.
And I think Trump also, he was there for four years.
He's now suffered incredible abuses at the hands of the state.
I think he's going to have nothing to lose.
I think he's going to know more, and I think he's going to come in with some real vengeance and some real fire.
And Libertarians are being offered a seat at the table.
Now, Libertarians, I can tell you, I've got to tell you, Seb, I don't think there's any group out there who would enjoy more dismantling the administrative state from the inside than the Libertarians.
So, you know, you've got to, if you give some of our guys a shot, you know, we've got some big brains.
Let's work together and end this beast.
So the anti-deep state team could be full of Libertarians, Jeremy?
I think I want to see a libertarian nationalist alliance.
I consider myself a libertarian nationalist.
Tell me your take on Vivek.
Do you think he's a libertarian?
Is that the best category for him?
Well, I don't see them as exclusive.
When I talk to conservatives here in New Hampshire, I often talk to them about how libertarianism can be a way of furthering their goals.
That often it's federal legislation that's holding them back from being able to win locally, and we've got to localize, we've got to respect localism and local property rights, and act more that way, and conservatives can get more of what they want.
I love it.
What a great message.
The anti-deep staters who are better qualified than those who hate the deep state.
Follow this man from the granite state.
I love New Hampshire.
I mean, just think about that.
What a motto.
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So what's your day job now?
If you left library, what's the day job?
You know, I have been working on a new venture, but I'm kind of curious about whether I could help out the Trump campaign over the next four months, actually.
All right.
I'll send you my cell phone.
Stay in touch with me.
And if you want to talk about the new venture, we can do that as well.
That would be fantastic.
Thank you so much for having me on.
God bless.
That was great.
All right, thanks Jeremy.
Yes.
There's another... Yeah, there's two 60-seconders, but it's not a script.
It's like they want me to, like, bounce off this stuff.
We can read it quickly at the top and see if I can make it into 60 seconds.
Alright, what have we not done?
Breastfeeder we'll save for tomorrow.
I'm gonna tell my story, and then we'll go to Harry, and we'll need the images of the bridge.
I have some videos.
A couple of short videos.
The pier, you mean.
burden yeah. Hey has um...
The You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
So it's Moral Day weekend.
I meet my wife at the local library where she's meeting with some constituents from the Asian community who want to be involved in conservative politics.
And one of her colleagues from the GOP says, hey Seb, I've got a gift from you from the local flag store, big patriot who sells Trump star flags, yard signs.
I said, OK, thanks.
And I went to her car.
She gave me the yard sign and then I'm walking back to my Mustang and I see this huge guy with rolls of fat with his shirt off.
It's like, that's weird.
He reads my pro-Trump sign and then he starts talking to me and I think, is this a fan or not?
Turns out he's a Democrat and I decide to engage him in a friendly fashion.
And then I ask him, how's the last four years been for you?
How about the wars in the Middle East and Europe?
Jeff, you know what he said to me?
This crazed Democrat said, Presidents don't have anything to do with wars.
At that point, what do I do?
What do I say?
What was every ad about George Bush during that campaign?
Right.
At that point, I realized millions of people he can't do anything with.
Let's squeeze in one more call before our one-on-one guest, Harry Atlanta, line two.
I find it alarming that our armed forces can't even build a temporary pier.
Oh my gosh.
OK, let's put this imagery up.
Absolutely unbelievable.
How many millions of dollars was spent in the last couple of weeks building a pier for aid into Gaza?
And the U.S.
military has the pier wash up on the beach.
Harry, what do our enemies think of that when they see that?
I wonder what they would have done on D-Day outside Normandy.
Pretty rough waters there.
One stinking little pier and they can't even do that.
That's what happens when you woke-ify the military.
I've been wanting to talk about that yesterday and today.
Thank you, Harry.
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I truly do think it is perhaps one of the most important issues after the state of the economy.
Wars all over the world and open borders.
There are so many to choose from.
But the biggest red pill issue is transgender extremism.
What do I mean by that?
I mean the fact that there are those who deny reality and they are being supported by the current regime in the White House.
Don't listen to me.
Listen to a I don't know what to call him.
He's an ugly man in a skirt who pretends to be an admiral talking about how adults have to get between children and their parents.
You know, studies show that one supportive adult, one supportive adult for an LGBTQI plus kid can make all the difference in terms of preventing suicide, in terms of them being able to navigate the world and to adulthood and leading a happy, successful, productive life.
One supportive adult.
I'd love it if that was always the parent, but it's not always the parent.
Frequently, it's a teacher, or a guidance counselor, or a coach, or another school personnel.
This law forbids kids, essentially, from talking to these people.
Also, it means that if you tell a teacher, the teacher has to tell the parent.
It really is a gag rule.
It's a gag law to prevent kids from accessing supportive adults.
That is Richard pretending to be Rachel Levine, a member of the Biden administration, saying what?
An adult should be helping a child to, quote, transition to the opposite sex and shouldn't be forced to tell the child's parents.
Why is that, Richard?
Are you a Maoist?
Are you a communist who wants to drive a wedge between parents and their children?
We've seen this before in communist nations.
Now you're using gender, not just politics and class.
Well, let's explore this deeper with somebody who has demonstrated herself as a cultural reporter without fear, whether it is on the issue of protecting the unborn or the more broader culture war in America.
She's senior reporter for that superb organization, The Daily Signal at the Heritage Foundation, Mary Margaret Olahan.
Welcome back to America First.
Thanks so much for having me.
All right, so we are here to celebrate this, just published yesterday.
Your first book, correct?
My first book, yes.
Your first book, DETRAND, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult, with some amazing, amazing blurbs.
Riley Gaines, Molly Hemingway, Abigail Schreier, on and on and on.
So first, let's talk about... How hard?
Let me go to the personal first, because this is a story of those whose histories really aren't being told.
Because this is a political hot potato.
It is part of the critical theory ideology of the left that's being crammed into our schools, into our colleges.
But very few people know anything about those who go through the quote-unquote transitioning process unless of those who say, I made a mistake and I'm going to de-transition.
So, before we get into the stories themselves, how hard, personally, was it for you to hear these stories from the people who went through it?
Well, it was really hard for a little while.
There were no stories whatsoever.
And I first stumbled on the idea when I was reporting on so-called gender-affirming care, that euphemism that all these leftist organizations and the Biden administration uses to talk about trans surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers.
And it's a euphemism on purpose so that the American people don't really understand what we're talking about.
So as I was looking for these stories, I started seeing more and more people speaking up, but they were afraid to go on the record.
They were afraid to actually use their names because of the massive hate that they get from the trans community when they speak out.
And then slowly but surely over the past couple of years, people like Chloe Cole have started to raise their hands and say, I deeply regretted this gender transition.
It traumatized me.
I feel betrayed.
And I think just A couple voices like that helped the other ones feel more empowered to speak up as well.
So by the time I started writing this book, I was able to find quite a few people and reach out to them and say, I want to do a book that gives you more than just a quick news hits worth of voice.
I want to talk about what social media you were consuming, what your parents' relationship was like, whether you had practiced a faith.
I want to know what your sibling relationships were like.
Did you play sports?
Where'd you get the hormones that you took?
Did you get a surgery?
What were your last thoughts before your surgery?
What were your thoughts when you woke up?
Like, I wanted to know all of this, which is not what you can really get
in a short news head or on Twitter or on TikTok.
And it took me a little while to find people because some of them didn't trust me
because I'm a conservative reporter and, you know, they're not conservative.
They're just secular, average American youth who were duped into a gender transition
or attempted gender transition by the radical left.
And so now they're looking for people to give them a platform and they're not necessarily conservative, but they're finding that their only option is conservative media because we're the only ones that care about giving them a platform.
And so I'm really grateful to the people who did talk to me for this book.
It's focused on the voices of five individuals in particular.
I really follow their storylines closely.
That's Abel, Luca, Precia, Helena, and Chloe Cole.
And I'm really grateful to them for trusting me with their stories and for the hours they spent talking to me and sharing all these really vulnerable, intimate details.
And I'm so excited for people to learn about their stories and to empathize with them the way that I tried to, because it's really... they're hard stories, but they're so important.
I mean, I wasn't explicit enough or I wasn't clear enough.
I wasn't asking how difficult it was technically for you to find the information, find the individuals, but that was fascinating in and of itself.
But how difficult was it for your soul to listen to these stories?
Because we'll talk about what the long-term effects on the human body is of these processes.
But how hard was it for you to actually put these down on paper and listen to these human beings and what they've been through?
Oh, it was really hard.
And I like to think of myself as kind of tough about this topic.
I know your dad.
If you're not tough coming out of that family, then I don't know who is.
By the way, full disclosure, her father was a student of mine when I was at National Defense University.
Tom, you are missed.
Yeah, and I have a lot of siblings, too, so that was really hard, too, because, you know, I'm thinking of my younger siblings as we're talking about the different stages that these young people were going through, and I'm imagining my siblings being in that position, and that hurts, you know, to actually know what that person was thinking at that age, at such a young age and experiencing.
And so, you know, it was emotional, and it was definitely a lot darker than I expected.
And, you know, when you get that in the weeds about some of these things, it's hard to not get really close to it.
But at the same time, all of these people lived it.
So I have to say, you know, I definitely felt very troubled by it at times.
But then I would think, oh my gosh, they actually lived through this.
And they're brave enough to talk about it and to share it.
So I felt blessed to be able to put it down on paper and share it with everybody else.
Do you think, do you share my belief that this could be a massive red pillar catalyst for lots of people who aren't political when they hear about these stories?
Oh, for sure.
I think, actually I've heard many times in my reporting on the gender issues that so many people are radicalized by these stories.
And that's part of the reason I wrote this book, because I think that these types of stories are the most effective weapon against this radical gender ideology.
It's just truth.
It's just facts.
And it's their lived experiences, which is what the left cares about so much, right?
We're supposed to, you can't deny someone their lived experience.
That's what the left is always talking about.
So, don't deny the detransitioners what actually happened to them and their deep trauma from
the physical and mental suffering they endured at the lies of the medical industry.
And so these are really what happened to them and we dwell at length on what they want people
to learn from their stories and in the future.
And then the last chapter of the book is, I think, the most emotional.
It's about a mother whose daughter ultimately committed suicide when she was taken away from her mom and transitioned through the state of California.
This was a really troubled girl, Yaeli Martinez, who thought she was a boy.
The state affirmed her, took her away from her mother, and she ultimately threw herself in front of a train.
And oh my gosh, that interview with her mother, she's crying to me on the phone telling me about having to try and identify her daughter from all the pieces they picked up of her from the train tracks.
And I got a copy of the police report from when they found her on the train tracks.
It's just some of the most horrific things I've ever read.
And talked about.
But I felt like it was really important to include all of this in this last chapter because the detransitioners made it, right?
They're living good lives.
They're advocates.
They're starting families.
But Yaeli didn't.
She threw herself in front of a train.
And she is, I think, a really good look at, unfortunately, what gender ideology can do to young people if it's allowed to have its way.
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Let's listen to one of the very brave detransitioners.
Let's listen to the congressional testimony of Chloe Cole.
So what message do I want to bring to American teenagers and their families?
I didn't need to be lied to.
I needed compassion.
I needed to be loved.
I needed to be given therapy to help me work through my issues, not affirm to my delusion that by transforming into a boy, it would solve all my problems.
We need to stop telling 12-year-olds that they were born wrong.
That they are right to reject their own bodies and feel uncomfortable with their own skin.
We need to stop telling children that puberty is an option.
That they can choose what kind of puberty they will go through, just as they can choose what clothes to wear, or what music to listen to.
Puberty is a right of passage to adulthood, not a disease to be mitigated.
Puberty is a right of adulthood, not a disease to be eradicated or deleted.
Perfectly put.
Let's talk about, let's dive straight in, Mary Margaret, on the cost of transitioning.
You hear it there in her voice.
Her voice is lower now than it was before she transitioned, something that Probably will never return because the effects of the hormone therapy that changed her larynx, her voice box.
But let's talk about some of the darker aspects.
If it's not just changing your pronoun to Zezer or he, the, she, whatever.
If you go through the hormonal treatment and then the surgical treatment.
What happens to these people?
What is the long-term effect of this thing which is meant to help them?
The argument is this is going to help them to be happier.
What does it do to them biologically?
Well, part of the huge problem here is we don't totally know what it does to them, and you would never know that from the way these pro-trans doctors and therapists and activists and lawmakers talk about it.
You would think that we had hard data and science on it, but we don't.
We just know, for example, now that we're finding out from the supposedly experts, the WPATH doctors, that they knew that testosterone can cause tumors in girls.
They knew testosterone can cause infertility.
They're aware that these girls with mental health issues can't fully consent to the surgeries or the hormones, and yet they're still pushing all of this as the experts.
So that should be... There's no medical data.
I mean, usually we have years or decades of medical trials before something becomes a treatment.
Here, they're saying, oh, Lupron is a chemical we use for child rapists.
To castrate them in prison.
So let's start giving it to little boys to make sure they don't grow into men.
This is insanity.
It is insanity.
And I think especially when you're talking about children and you're giving them these types of drugs and confidently telling them that this will make them happier.
That promise of happiness is, first of all, obviously ideological.
You shouldn't be promising anyone that you'll be giving them happiness.
That's absurd.
That's such a good point.
I've never heard that before.
What field of medicine can a doctor say, we guarantee you happiness?
What field of medicine?
It's cult-like, isn't it?
It's got like an ideological aspect to it in that they're promising something that they have no control over.
you can promise perhaps an increase in health or in longevity, but not happiness.
And that's what these gender activists promise as well.
So what I've heard from the detransitioners I spoke with, most specifically girls,
the testosterone will affect their muscle growth, their bone density.
Chloe has told me that she'll hear all kinds of weird cracks in her shoulders and pains in her muscles
that she doesn't really know what to do with or make of.
Her shoulders feel too heavy for her because of the testosterone.
It's messed with her.
The girls often lose the ability to cry when they're on testosterone.
They lose the ability to scream, which for women, that's a very scary thing.
Because of the vocal cord change.
Yeah.
And many women have dreams where they're running away from someone and they can't
scream.
That's like a typical female dream when you're feeling helpless.
That's their real life now, that they can't scream.
And then if they fully transition, the boys and girls will end up infertile.
Nobody talks about this.
They often don't even need to fully transition or attempt a transition.
They become sterilized, especially from the puberty blockers, from the testosterone or estrogen.
It messes with their fertility.
Some of them are able to eventually become pregnant, like Preetha Mosley, one of the girls in my book, is due June 4th to have a baby, which is amazing and such a blessing.
She did stop.
And I personally think it's a little bit of a miracle that she was given this blessing, but not everyone is given that type of second chance.
And so for those who go on testosterone or estrogen for a long time, it certainly increases the chances that you might become infertile.
And I know this is radio across the nation, but I want to be brutal here.
Especially the transition from being a man to being a fake woman, which is what we're talking about.
We're talking about fake transitions.
These aren't transitions.
When you do that transition, you're not actually making a female sexual organ.
No.
You're making actually a wound for the rest of your life, which will have to require medical attention for the rest of your life.
People think this is like, you know, plastic surgery.
It's not plastic surgery.
No.
It is a perversion of the human body.
It's so incredibly disturbing and I would say disgusting.
I wrote a story recently about a trans-identifying prisoner who was sharing a bunk bed with a woman and that woman reached out to me from jail to tell me that this man who identifies as a woman and has a fake cavern in him pretending that it's female genitalia was dilating himself in the bunk bed underneath her and the prison was doing nothing about it.
That's the level of insanity that we are subjected to.
But let me take that and, you know, up the bet to an even greater level of insanity.
When you see in the UK, male rapists, as they're about to be sentenced to prison,
coming to court in a skirt and a wig and saying, I'm a woman.
And then the government saying, oh, well, in that case, you're guilty of rape, but we're going to put you in a female prison where they continue to have sex, bidden or otherwise, with real women in prison because they're a woman now?
It blows my mind.
I don't understand.
And especially in those instances where the capacity for assault is so strong and these women are clearly in danger.
I've written a lot on the prison situation in the United States and how these different prison systems just seem to have no interest in actually protecting the women.
But when it comes to taxpayer-funded gender transitions as well, And the crafting of fake genitalia on the taxpayer's dime for this person that is very deeply mentally ill living in a prison, just the mugshots alone should tell you a lot.
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All right, so I have so many questions to ask you.
Let's see if I can just rattle them off as quickly as possible.
The subtitle of your book, it's D-Trans, and then you say, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult.
I think you're right, but you're the one who's done the legwork, written the book.
Why do you use the word cult, Mary Margaret?
Well, I'm glad that you touched on that because I thought about the word cult and I thought, is this going to push away people who might be on the fence about this?
And I reached out to the detransitioners in the book and asked them what they thought.
And they actually agreed with me that this made sense.
And the reason I use the word cult is because, sort of what we were touching on earlier with the happiness idea and that promise of happiness, All of this gender ideology bears a remarkable resemblance to a cult.
The way that the pro-transgender activists rope in these young people or the potential people that they want to encourage to be transgender.
A massive proportion of whom are autistic.
Yes.
Nobody talks about this.
No.
40% or up are already kids who are having problems, you know, relating to the world outside who are autistic and then you prey on them and say, oh, you know why you're not happy?
It's because you're really a girl.
It's literally what happens and I was saying earlier today parents who have children who are on the spectrum should be very aware that their kids could be targeted by this and are honestly one of the most prime victims of gender ideology.
Pretty much everyone in my book said they were either on the spectrum or they thought they were on the spectrum.
Chloe for example wasn't diagnosed on the spectrum but she always knew or was pretty sure that she was on the spectrum.
This cult-like aspect, these pro-transgender activists rope them in, they affirm them, they love bomb them, they tell them that they're perfect, they're beautiful, and that if anyone dissents or tells them you aren't trans or you aren't a boy, you're actually a girl... You're a bigot.
Yeah, that you're a bigot, they hate you, and they want you dead.
It's very dramatic, very extreme.
Another cult-like aspect, because they're saying, cut off anyone who doesn't allow you to be near us.
Right, exactly like cults.
Exactly.
Or your parents, or your brother or sister, don't like that you're joining our group, cut them off.
Exactly.
We've seen that before.
Exactly.
And that's a classic cult maneuver, right?
To distance you from your family and friends.
Often in silent ways.
You know, just quietly leave.
Like, just make no noise.
And that will often happen.
We're seeing, I'm reporting a story right now about different transgender groups helping kids, teens, separate from their families through the law.
Very manipulative.
It's like California and Newsom saying, oh, you want to transition?
You're a teen stuck in Texas?
Well, come over here and we'll get you the operation, California.
In addition to targeting autistic children, address this issue, which I find fascinating with, quote unquote, the classic gay community, this idea that the transition movement is about transing away the gay.
A couple has a boy who likes girlish things, pink is his favorite color, doesn't want to play cops and robbers, and they realize that he might be homosexual.
So what do they do?
They say, oh Jimmy, don't you think you might be a girl?
And that's why you like flowers and princess movies.
So negating a potential homosexual man's future identity by deleting it, which is making the homosexual community very angry.
I have been hearing about that.
Is that interesting?
Yeah, no, it is interesting.
And I've been hearing, I think Abigail Schreier was talking about this, how often the young people who are going through a gender transition would have just come out as gay rather than trying to transition to another gender, which we know to be impossible.
And I think that the other aspect that you're touching on there is I think there's two categories of parents involved in these gender transitions.
There's one category of evil, narcissistic, well we're not going to call them evil yet, narcissistic and selfish parents who want to transition their kids.
I would say sterilizing your child is evil, but carry on.
I would too.
But these parents that want to transition their kids out of a desire to promote themselves.
So I think a lot of this is linked to social media.
It's young moms who think that they don't have status.
You know, there's some boring, white, Caucasian mother.
They want more status.
So what do they do?
They say, oh, my kid is trans and they can post about that.
And they're hip.
Suddenly they're hip.
Yes.
And I encountered a lot of these people if I go to a drag queen story hour here in DC.
It's the exact type of parent who's there with their baby that can't even talk, trying to sit the baby on the lap of a man in drag with makeup and hair and dramatic hair and a skirt.
There's a parody of a woman.
It's actually an insult to a woman.
A huge insult to a woman.
Drag queens are not women, they're actually a parody.
As somebody said on our show, it's the black face of womanhood.
It's very, it's remarkable and I could talk about the drag queen story hours for a long time.
But I think, so there's that group of parents and that is very evil and that's purposeful.
There's another group of parents that I would argue is a victim also of the gender ideology cult where you have a child, like let's say Chloe, and I'm not talking about her parents because she actually does a good job of keeping her parents out of all of this.
She doesn't want them to be targets of anyone.
But you have a young girl.
She's lonely.
She's not making a lot of friends.
She's looking for more community.
She goes online, stumbles on the gender ideology content, and she thinks, all right, this is it.
They tell her she's a boy, and so she's enamored with this idea, fixates on it, and decides, I am a boy.
She's a minor, so she goes to her parents and says, I'm a boy.
I want to get testosterone.
I want to undergo these surgeries.
And the parents being You know, average Americans.
We're not super keyed into the news.
They're probably secular.
Maybe they're not practicing in faith.
They're good people, but they don't really know what she's talking about.
And maybe they should.
You know, I would argue that people have a responsibility to know what's going on.
But, so these parents, they think, okay, we don't know what to do here.
We'll go to the medical professionals.
So they take her to a therapist and they're trusting that this therapist is going to tell them what to do.
And the therapist says... They're outside and the therapist talking to the kid.
Yeah, yeah.
Walks them down the path.
Absolutely.
Or even while they're together, the therapist says, oh your child is a boy, you have to affirm her or she's going to kill herself.
And the parents... The emotional blackmail.
Oh yeah.
What they say, and everybody is told this, the parents across the board, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?
And what parent who hears that is not terrified?
And I'm not saying that they're not guilty.
They should do their research.
They should understand what's going on here.
But they should also find out what the suicidal ideation rates are for those who transition, which is horrific.
It's 40% and upwards.
And the claim that your child will commit suicide if they don't receive so-called gender-affirming care is a lie.
And that's been demonstrated very recently.
But these parents don't know that.
They love their child.
They think, oh my gosh, I don't want my daughter to have a double mastectomy, but I don't know what else to do.
And so they go through with it.
And Luca, one of the girls in my book, was sharing recently, she did get a double mastectomy.
And Luca, she said she had to call her mother and to tell her this was all a mistake, you know, when she
realized she wanted to detransition.
And she said that call was one of the hardest she ever had to make because her mom didn't
want her to do this.
And her mom's gut instinct was, this is not right and I don't want you to go through this.
And Luca convinced her otherwise and so did the doctors and so Luca underwent a double
mastectomy.
And so in that phone call, she basically had to say, you were right, and all of this was a huge mistake.
And she said she was sobbing, her mom was sobbing, it was just a horrific conversation.
So, these parents are victims, absolutely, and I think they deserve our empathy.
The book is D-Trans, out yesterday, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult.
All right, we've only got two segments left.
We have to get you back.
I'd actually like to go through each of these stories, and if any of the people you write about want to come on the show, we would be honored to have them on the show.
So let's talk about a very important aspect.
The role of social media.
When I was a kid, the big problem for women, for young girls, for teenagers, was bulimia anorexia.
And it is pretty demonstrable back then that that was a group dynamic.
That one girl can say, oh you're overweight and you need to do this, and they'd pull each other into that female group dynamic.
I see this also as a group dynamic as well.
How does social media to that group dynamic to actually bring people to places
they shouldn't be.
Right. I think the anorexia epidemic lasted until I was in high school. I mean
many of the girls in my high school years, you know, the girls
surrounding me were struggling with that and the transgender social
contagion aspect really only recently sprung up. And I think there's even
differences in the way that social media has impacted young people over the
last decade because for maybe the first five years it was Tumblr, Reddit, those
were the forums where people were being impacted. Like Helena Kirshner, who I
describe as a philosopher. Helena is so intelligent.
I pulled from her Substack writings a lot for this book because it's just beautiful writing and she understands.
She's done a lot of introspection and can articulate it so well.
She's one of the subjects of the book.
She's brilliant.
Helena describes Tumblr and how she was feminine, but she was fixated on boys, she was very boy crazy.
And so in her musings on Tumblr, she began thinking, oh, I like boys so much it's because I'm a boy,
and this kind of content was encouraging her to think that.
When in reality, she was just a girl that had crushes on boys.
But then, you know, as social media progressed, I would argue that we are going to hear even more stories
of young people being pushed down this path from Instagram, TikTok, and Snapchat.
TikTok is probably the worst.
It's definitely the worst.
It pumps you that stuff.
It funnels it.
It targets you.
You're a young girl and they'll send you this garbage.
Oh yeah, and I mean, Instagram for sure is really dangerous for girls, and I find this particularly fascinating because it's a female dynamic that I'm not sure everybody totally understands.
When you're a 12-year-old girl, 13-year-old girl, every older girl you see is who maybe you're supposed to be.
You're awkward, you don't really know how to dress, but every older girl you see, you're like, oh, she's really cool, she's beautiful, I want to be like her.
You're trying to find somebody to imitate.
And I know this, I was the younger girl.
Don't worry, it's the same for guys.
We all want to be Thomas Magnum when we're growing up in the 80s.
Well, and these young girls are going on Instagram and they're seeing all these beautiful women.
They're so sexual.
They're so voluptuous.
You know, they're getting so much male affirmation for posting in scanty ways.
You know, they're very inappropriate a lot of the time.
And so these girls are seeing this and they're thinking, well clearly that's what you're supposed to be as a woman.
This is what's getting all the affirmation.
I'm not that.
I don't look anything like that.
I don't know how to look like that.
They don't understand, you know, that many of these women are getting body enhancements or, you know, Facetune or Photoshopping.
And then, on the other hand, Chloe and a bunch of the other girls told me they were exposed to pornography at a really early age.
So when you combine the degrading way that women are treated in pornography with these very unattainable depictions on Instagram, for example, Girls like Chloe are thinking, I don't want to be treated like that.
I can't be that, I can't be that, I can't be that, where do I go?
And why would I want to be this?
Because it's too scary and it's unattainable.
And then that's prime, that's just a prime spot for gender ideologists to come in and say, oh you think that maybe you're not a woman, it's because you're not.
So that is a dynamic that I was really interested by because we already know that our culture struggles so much with understanding masculinity and femininity and there's all these extremes, you know.
You go from like Andrew Tate to the trad wives and nobody really knows how to find a good balance.
Well 12 year old girls sure don't and there's too much being offered to them so that's one real dangerous pitfall.
And then the other last thing I'll add is I think a lot of parents think Snapchat is safe for their kids.
You know, they might just Snapchat their friends.
Well, Snapchat, if you swipe to the left, there's a whole news feed feature and those news stories that they're offering to kids as like what they should consume for news, they're literally created and paid for by Planned Parenthood, GLAAD, ACLU, I would like to give credit to the person who first said this.
I don't remember who it was or whether it was the first person when I heard it.
You need to understand what a cell phone is.
sexual content. So parents should be beware of that.
I give credit, I would like to give credit to the person who first said this. I don't
remember who it was or whether it was the first person when I heard it. You need to
understand what a cell phone is. A cell phone is not your access to the world.
If a cell phone is in your child's hand, it is the world's access to your child.
People with ideologies, people who are evil, and even pederasts and pedophiles.
It's not your access to the world, it's the world's access to you and to your children.
Let me ask you one thing that I can never get my head around.
The people who remove healthy breasts, remove penises, castrate young men, make young girls sterile for the rest of their lives, and actually make it impossible for them as adults to ever have, you know, proper sexual pleasure.
That's done by people who have MDs after their name.
Yeah.
Do you have a take on this?
How somebody who's a doctor who's taken the Hippocratic Oath can actually take a scalpel to a healthy child?
I used to think that they were just misguided.
I think I naively thought the same thing with abortionists.
I naively thought that they thought they were doing good.
And I still think that they sort of think they're doing something good.
By removing healthy body parts.
But I think they think they're doing it for a higher cause.
And you know, we could get into that, what higher cause they think they're doing it for.
But there's one doctor that I focused in on in this book.
Her name's Dr. Gallaher.
She operates out of Miami.
And she advertises all of her surgeries on TikTok and Instagram.
And you would think that most people would avoid this, right?
The surgeries are grisly.
They're horrible.
But on her social media, she posts pictures before and afters that include the mastectomy scars.
They include, for example, she'll take extra fat off of your torso if you don't want it there anymore.
She'll throw that in for a discount.
Really disturbing images of her surgery.
It's like a body shop for a car.
I'll throw in extra body work for a discount.
No, it literally is.
She'll say, like, oh, do you have extra weight?
I'll throw that in for a discount.
And she posts it all online.
And she's getting patients through TikTok and Instagram where she's luring young people.
How is that legal?
I asked TikTok and Instagram because they've come under a lot of heat lately for causing mental health problems for kids.
So I said, do you see any other issues with this woman using your platforms to lure kids to transition surgeries that they're going to regret?
Of course, they said nothing.
Did you get through to a human being?
I know I did.
They just didn't answer.
I've got people over there that will respond to me when it's profitable for them.
She is an incredibly evil woman.
I've reached out to her multiple times.
I would love to interview her.
And I know that there's Florida authorities keeping an eye on her because what she's doing down there is just positively disturbing.
What's her name?
What's her full name?
Dr. Gallagher.
It's S-I-D-B-H, I believe.
Gallagher.
I'm not totally sure how to pronounce it.
I think it's Irish, unfortunately.
Oh, dear.
All right.
I'm going to look that person up and do my own research.
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Alright, we've got a couple of minutes left.
I think I will have to get you back to discuss these stories in detail one by one.
Definitely get Chloe on the show as well.
What is the way to proceed?
You must have some thoughts because you're from the Heritage Foundation that is about fixing things, making America more like it is meant to be in the vision of our founding fathers.
Is it legislation state by state?
I see a lot of states are now in trouble and the doctors are trying to So, what are your ideas?
to limitations for medical practice down to 24 months so that when the Chloe Coles of
the world say, yeah, I was wrong, I need to sue my doctor, they won't be able to.
So what are your ideas for the, in addition to people reading the book and getting educated,
how do we stop this happening to our children?
The lawsuits are huge.
Harmeet Dhillon is representing Chloe.
She's representing a bunch of other detransitioners.
Campo Miller Payne is another law firm that's representing Preisha Mosley and a slew of detransitioners.
Those lawsuits, I think, are huge because these doctors don't seem to fear, you know, conservative media very much.
But when there's a lawsuit that names them, names what they did, says that they couldn't, the girls couldn't give proper
informed consent and is targeting their practice, I think that makes a huge difference.
So the lawsuits are great and I think that anyone that wants to help fund the legal teams
or those legal efforts, that's a great way to do it.
But also just spreading awareness.
I think stories like this, those are easy to talk about at the soccer field when someone's
trying to tell you that their child's going to transition and it's good for them.
Very easy to say, oh actually I've heard that a lot of kids regret those types of things.
You know, you should just be equipped with the knowledge to be able to talk about it in a factual and non-aggressive way.
And I think that's part of what I was hoping to do with this book.
Just hoping that your average American can pick it up and understand what's going on here.
that there are people that regret these transitions or attempted transitions and that want to
get their stories out and those stories deserve to be told.
Alright, so lawsuits, education, and then what about legislation?
The legislation is fantastic.
There are people like Jay Richards who is a good friend of mine.
Jay Richards and others are working really hard to make sure that states across the country
are equipped to pass legislation that protects kids and call out the media when you notice
them saying that this legislation targets trans youth.
It's protecting kids.
No one should be saying this is targeting trans youth.
It's protecting kids from trans surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers.
And that's how we should be talking about it.
Well, you're one of the few, along with our friends Dr. Miriam Grossman, James Lindsay, Chris Rufo, telling the truth about these ideologies and what they are exacting on innocent Americans, especially children.
We salute you here at America First, Mary Margaret Olihan.
And I'd like to dedicate this last hour to the people whose stories you write about.
So give us their names again.
Chloe Cole.
Chloe Cole, Preisha Mosley, Luca Hine, Abel Garcia, and Helena Kirshner.
Keep them in your prayers, and let's save those who are being targeted right now.
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