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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Israel rolls into Rafah on Independence Day

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	The whole point here is that they say, oh, this is terrible.
	This is designed to keep him off the campaign trail.
	Well, actually, if you look at it politically, in my judgment, this is helping him politically in the following sense.
	It is keeping him from being on television saying all the crazy things that he was, like in Wildwood the other day.
	That show in Wildwood, New Jersey, I wish it had been broadcast on this network and on all the other networks live so everybody could see how crazy he was.
	He's, he, this is actually helping him politically by keeping the attention away from the nutty things he says and does.
	I'm so curious, um, what's that chap's name?
	Conway, right?
	George Conway.
	Um, if it wasn't on television, Eric, how did he see it?
	Was he there?
	Was he there?
	Was he at the rally?
	Surprise, he still is a Trump supporter all along.
	He's just actively, like, subverting the anti-Trump movement to make them look like bigger idiots than they already are.
	Yeah, no, that's a good question.
	How did he watch it if it wasn't broadcast anywhere, according to him?
	Maybe he was there.
	Maybe he was in disguise with his red MAGA hat on.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	This is America First.
	Of course, that's TDS Patience Hero.
	There's so many patience heroes.
	George Conway on CNN saying, It's good that President Trump is in court every single day because then he can't be on television.
	Jeff, isn't President Trump on television every time he goes into the court and out of the court and holds those press conferences that the international media cover?
	Every single day.
	So does George not see those?
	I guess not.
	Poor George.
	Poor George.
	The fact is he is stronger because he's in the court and because they give him a platform every single day.
	Now, the breaking news as of a few minutes ago is that Michael Cohen disgraced, disbarred, The felon perjurer is the final witness for Alvin Bragg for the state of New York, which means he'll be cross-examined imminently and hopefully this farrago can come to an end.
	But the other breaking news earlier this morning is... Do you remember Daniel Goldman?
	He is a scion of the Levi Strauss dynasty, a very rich, rich, stupid man, who was one of the chief counsels for the impeachment of President Trump, who somehow translated his being a pit bull attack puppy for Nancy Pelosi into a seat he bought?
	in New York, and then he admitted that he's had several meetings with Michael Cohen to prepare him.
	Why is a Democrat member of Congress preparing the star witness for the State of New York trial of the non-crime President Trump did not commit?
	But even he, on camera on MSNBC, had to admit There are issues with the Star Witness.
	Cut five.
	Because he is an admitted perjurer.
	He is an admitted liar.
	He has testified inconsistently on the stand.
	So he's either lying one time or the other.
	And he will be really skewered on cross-examination for that.
	He will be skewered and they'll have fun with him.
	So let's just analyze it.
	Let's put all the picture pieces, puzzle pieces together.
	No crime was committed because what is alleged is a transgression of federal election campaign financing law.
	Which is strange from the get-go because this is not a federal court.
	This is a New York court.
	And the federal body that oversees, regulates, and fines people if they transgress federal election law, as Hillary Clinton did and had to pay millions of dollars of fines, that entity is the Federal Election Commission.
	The Federal Election Commission looked into this old complaint and said there is nothing here to charge Donald Trump's campaign with.
	Likewise, Alvin Bragg himself Decided several years ago.
	There is no case his predecessor Cyrus Vance jr.
	Likewise decided there is no case and then I guess somebody got the email from Merrick Garland's DOJ I guess Lisa Monaco the woman who's actually running the Department of Justice Obama's former counterterrorism advisor Said we need to stop Donald Trump and then a case was brought about Filing of expenses.
	You heard that correctly.
	The allegation is that Donald Trump miscategorized an expenditure for the NDA settlement, the non-disclosure agreement, to Stormy Daniels.
	And it should have been declared under election law as an election expense.
	Which is weird because The discussion that Michael Cohen had with Donald Trump, we found out yesterday, occurred, wait for it, in January after the election.
	Eric, help me out here.
	What's the problem with bringing a case that you predicate on election malpractice If the event you allege begins the malpractice occurred after the election, can you help me out there?
	Doesn't that mean that it had no impact on the election, therefore there is no crime?
	Go to the top of the class, collect a cigar on the way.
	Michael Cohen said that this discussion he had with President Trump occurred in the January after the election.
	Well then, how does it interfere if it happened after the election?
	If that weren't bad enough, who are the star witnesses?
	Michael Cohen, convicted perjurer, disbarred, spent 14 months in prison.
	He's a felon.
	And then the other one, Stormy Daniels.
	Why are people called porn stars?
	What makes them a star?
	I mean, they're prostitutes who just do it on camera.
	I mean, why are they like Marilyn Monroe or John Wayne?
	Why are they stars?
	Well, people like Lawrence O'Donnell, they're a big star.
	Remember, he's very fun.
	Oh, but he's into the weird, like, nuns.
	I think so, yeah.
	Porn stars that dress up like nuns, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, it's always confused me.
	Porn star.
	I'm not sure I understand that.
	And even actress.
	How much acting are you doing lying on your back?
	Not too much.
	And then, who is she?
	A woman who last week on the stand admitted what?
	A. I hate Donald Trump.
	B. I'm making a lot of money out of this court case.
	$800,000 so far.
	And C. To quote a certain movie, I see dead people.
	No, I didn't make it up.
	If you don't believe me, I don't blame you.
	Look it up.
	Stormy Daniels on the stand last week said she's a medium.
	She sees and talks to dead people.
	Not exactly the best of star witnesses.
	Not even porn stars or star witnesses.
	That's where we are.
	So what's the real reason?
	They want to steal an election before the first ballot is cast.
	That's what it's all about.
	We have to put up with it for a few more weeks.
	But then, Donald Trump un-reigned.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	The Israel one.
	I'm going to go get a drink of water.
	Civilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers.
	I made it clear that if they go into Rafah, they haven't gone into Rafah yet, if they go into Rafah, I'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with Rafah, to deal with the cities, to deal with that problem.
	We're going to continue to make sure Israel is secure in terms of Iron Dome and their ability to respond to attacks that came out of the Middle East recently.
	But it's just wrong.
	We're not going to supply the weapons and the artillery shells used that have been used.
	Artillery shells as well.
	Yeah, that's too long.
	I'm gonna put it down halfway through you
	You You
	Gorka, did I see the Gorka man?
	Yes, stand up Gorka, quick, get up!
	How good, how good is he, Sebastian?
	Seb, they call him Seb, I call him Sebastian.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
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	well the independence of the nation reborn in 19...
	It is Israeli Independence Day and we are delighted to talk about that and less delighted to talk about what's happening when it comes to Israel relations here in America with the former publisher of the Jerusalem Post and more importantly my former colleague in the Trump administration in the Trump White House none other than Tom Rose.
	Welcome back dear friend.
	It's always a great pleasure and honor to be with you.
	So let's talk about U.S.-Israeli relations.
	I was on a text thread last week after this interview dropped with the current incumbent.
	And very harsh language was being used, even the phrase blood libel, for this clip.
	Let's play the clip from the current Commander-in-Chief of the United States.
	Civilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers.
	I made it clear that if they go into Rafah, they haven't gone into Rafah yet, if they go into Rafah, I'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with Rafah, to deal with the city.
	And I said to my friends, many of them who are Orthodox, I said, I missed it, what blood libel?
	And they explained it and they convinced me that little half a sentence, the population centers that Israel is going after, Let's unpack that.
	You are accusing, as the President of the United States, accusing Israel of deliberately attacking unarmed civilians.
	I haven't spoken to you since then.
	Would you react to that statement and then to the fact that they've actually stopped shipments to the only democracy in the Middle East?
	Well, I have to tell you, something profound happened to me last week.
	I have, as you know, spent pretty much a solid year in Israel.
	I just got back from Israel yesterday morning.
	And when the news of this arms embargo struck, I was struck like a thunderclap between the difference in my reaction and the difference in the average Israeli's reaction.
	The average Israeli, Sebastian, looked at this and said, Here we go again.
	We'll manage.
	We'll figure it out.
	We'll come up with some way to survive.
	We've survived worse.
	And it was at that moment that I realized, again, reinforced quite powerfully, that first and foremost, I'm an American Jew.
	And what I mean by that is, I was overcome with a sense of absolute betrayal.
	And as I I fear for Israel, and I do.
	I have to tell you, Sebastian, I weep for America.
	I weep for what that says.
	Israel, as Jesse Waters, our friend from Fox News, said the other night, I'm not sure he realizes how brilliant his line was, this anti-Semitic explosion on campuses across the country and now inside the administration is simply an on-ramp for anti-Americanism.
	Israel, like America, isn't hated for what we do wrong.
	We're hated for what we do right.
	Israel is hated by terrorists, just like the United States is hated by terrorists.
	It's hated by the failed states that support them, and too many of these Western deluded progressives, because Israel, like America, it's successful, it defends itself, it's patriotic, it's proud.
	Israel is the little Satan, as the Iranians always say, and to get to the big Satan, you got to get to the little Satan first.
	On the issue of blood libel, that has been That was a blood libel.
	Accusing Israel, a country that John Spencer, who leads the Urban Warfare Planning Division at West Point, the U.S.
	Military Academy, has chronicled and detailed.
	Israel has reduced the civilian to terrorist casualty ratio to the lowest in the history of urban warfare in some of the most difficult conditions in the history of urban warfare.
	I don't want to drone on, but the one comparison that might be apt Was the US liberation of the Philippines, the Battle of Manila in 1944.
	There were about 17,000 Japanese soldiers that used the same methods that Hamas does.
	Hiding behind civilians, tunnels, underground bunkers, using civilians as human shields.
	We eventually won the Battle of Manila but ended up killing Together with the Japanese, of course, over a hundred thousand civilians.
	That wasn't America's fault.
	That was the Japanese fault.
	The same with Hamas, only the proportions, as opposed to being 9 to 1, are down to about 1 to 1.
	So that's such a deep analysis of your reaction as an American Jew who's been in Israel for a year.
	What is your final reaction?
	Is it happiness or is it sadness?
	Because that reaction that your Jewish friends around you in Israel said, OK, we don't care if America has deserted us.
	We're going to fight because we have to survive.
	That's kind of a positive attitude from their side, right?
	They say, OK, we don't care.
	Absolutely, but they're not Americans, so they don't weep for America like you and I would.
	This is our... America is our patronage, that millions and millions of people who have no connection to you or to me donned their country's uniform, died, sacrificed, and to see it betrayed like that by this This absolute nothing of a president, this nothing of a man, who personifies weakness and indecision and appeasement and lack of principle and lack of human dignity.
	It was just... I was beyond appalled.
	As an American, I was shell-shocked.
	It really hit me hard.
	Follow this man right now.
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	The nickel?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I have it.
	Good.
	So you just, you literally just got back?
	I did.
	Wow.
	Yeah, at 7.30 yesterday morning and it's, um, It's interesting, this is as muted an Independence Day as I can recall, perhaps since 1973 in the aftermath of the Yom Kippur War, but it's been an extremely excruciating and difficult two days there.
	And whilst you were there, beyond the mutedness of the Independence Day, how is life in general?
	It's strangely normal.
	But there's an undercurrent, an undertone of...
	You Israelis are the last people in the world to panic.
	It's about their one redeeming quality.
	Aside from being obnoxious and completely without guile or artifice, the one thing that society has done very successfully is to prevent panic.
	So, at a moment like this, it's everybody puts the game face on, but beneath it, it's It's depressing that not only does Israel face the battle that it faces, but to have... Well, I don't want to harp on the American betrayal, but it's horrendous.
	It's just unspeakable.
	Yeah, what must they think of us?
	Well, I presume they can separate Biden from the average American.
	I think that's true.
	I think they can.
	As an American, I do have to wonder where...
	The Republicans are, where Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Mike McCaul is.
	You know, soundbites are great, tweets are great.
	This is a violation of the—well, I don't need to tell you—this is a violation of the Impoundment Act, which is precisely the law the Democrats use to impeach us over the phone call.
	It's the same law.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	As Tom Cotton says, the only difference is that Biden's guilty of violating it.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	All right, let's come in with cut 13.
	Then I'll do my pillow and then I'll tee up the old, the previous Bernie Sanders.
	Yesterday's Bernie, all right.
	Yep, one minute.
	Thank you.
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	and then you need to kick that f***er down I've been living here for 17 years in America
	I can't remember a time when a vice president used the F-bomb in public whilst they were still vice president.
	And Lesso giggled, actually giggled about it.
	That's Kamala Harris.
	I guess she thinks It's cool or sophisticated.
	I guess leaders of other nations will be so impressed by her giggling.
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	Back with my colleague Tom Rose from the White House.
	The Trump administration, former publisher of the Jerusalem Post, landed back from Israel at 7 a.m.
	yesterday.
	Let's flip the coin, let's not talk about what you witnessed in Israel, how they just, okay, America doesn't want to help us, doesn't matter, we'll win anyway.
	Let's look at what's happening here and how we got to that state of affairs.
	Here is a very senior senator, who's a Democrat, and who I believe is actually Jewish, talking on this issue.
	The reality is, as I think any objective observer knows, Israel has broken international law, it has broken American law, and in my view, Israel should not be receiving another nickel in U.S.
	military aid.
	Israel should not be receiving another nickel.
	What happens to... I mean, look, God willing, President Trump is re-elected.
	He becomes 47, not just 45th.
	We'll have back in the Oval Office the most philo-Semitic president since the rebirth of Israel in 1948.
	But what about the other side of the aisle?
	Will the home of Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar... Who's gonna fix that, Tom?
	Well, it's up to the Democrats to fix it.
	We have a unique phenomenon that afflicts Jews.
	All people, all peoples have a similar phenomenon, but not to the degree that Jews have.
	And that is the phenomenon of the self-hating, self-loathing Jew, personified by none other in this instance than Bernie Sanders, who has spent his political life Trashing the Jewish state, attempting to delegitimize the Jewish state, slandering the Jewish state.
	He is a despicable... We Jews who are proud of our Judaism, proud of the State of Israel, want to vomit him out.
	He is a relic of an era we thought we had grown out of.
	I mean, there still have to be some Democrats that see reason, and see fact, and see value in our relationship with Israel.
	Chuck Schumer is a gutless coward, obviously.
	is now carrying Biden's water on this and trying to move to the left of AOC for a Senate run.
	But I think what Senator Schumer might be forgetting, there are a lot of Jews that live in New York, Senator.
	You know, we vote too.
	Yeah.
	And there could be somebody who would campaign on behalf of President Trump in New York, like Lee Zeldin, who could get a lot of those Jews to see sanity.
	We've got a minute left.
	I'm hearing from my friends that there's a shift.
	Even secular Jews understand the problem.
	Are you hearing that?
	Are you hearing that, Tom?
	Is that wishful thinking?
	Yes.
	Well, it might be wishful thinking, but I'm hearing it.
	I was in Israel last week and met with A well-heeled Democrat, an American Jew, well-heeled, I won't mention his name, who went on a profanity-laced tirade about how angry he is at Joe Biden for making him vote for Donald Trump.
	The guy hates Trump.
	He's angry that Biden has forced him to vote for Trump.
	That's hilarious.
	No, it's, it's, it's, and I can't believe he's alone.
	What we saw happen to Jerry Seinfeld this weekend, there is, um, Donald Trump, President Trump said it best to one of my heroes, Sebastian Gorka, six or eight weeks ago, when he said that any Jew that votes for Joe Biden needs to have his head examined.
	The thing that made the headlines is he said, if you're an American Jew and you vote for Biden, you hate Israel.
	And given the fact that we've cut Israel off, it's kind of like, I don't know how President Trump knew that was going to happen, but he saw the tea leaves.
	I kept hearing it and hearing it and hearing it.
	I just refused to allow myself to believe that even someone as in the gutter as Joe Biden would actually do that.
	Aside from being immoral and disgustingly a pro-terrorist, it's also stupid politically.
	All right, so our friends, our brothers and sisters in Israel will fight the good fight, even without America's support.
	But, you know, come January 20th, let's make sure all of that changes.
	Tom Rose, former publisher of the Jerusalem Post.
	Follow him at TomRoseIndy.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	So there's a theme that we have here on America First.
	You may have noticed it.
	There's a commonality to so many of our guests that we have here who step into the arena.
	They're not politicians.
	They're actually citizens who decide to do a bit of politics and remember that they are citizens.
	You know, like the founding fathers, one of them is famous for being a truck driver and for his proclivity for fried bread, otherwise known as doughnuts.
	Ed Durr, welcome back to America First!
	How you doing, Seb?
	I'm good, I'm good, but I'm worried about you.
	I don't know if I have to forcibly sign you in for some psychiatric treatment because it wasn't enough for you to serve as a state senator in the state of New Jersey.
	But I guess you haven't had enough, so what did you announce just yesterday, Ed?
	Decided to run for governor of the state of New Jersey.
	I'm going to run in the Republican primary of 2025.
	Why?
	Is it because of the rally at the weekend with the president?
	Are you and the president going to turn New Jersey Republican?
	You know, the rally was great.
	Being there, you know, the enthusiasm, the whole electricity of the rally, hearing Trump speak, you know, it was motivating, but I had already kind of been Discussing it with some people and so we decided that you know, we were going to make the announcement Monday following the rally and it's it's had, you know, it's had mixed reactions, you know.
	Haters hate and lovers love it. Well as we said in the White House when
	You only get flack when you're over the target. So let's talk about this rally
	So you were there some people thought what what is the point with trying to save New Jersey?
	It's a Democrat state. They only had this event because there was a proximity you could I know people from
	Pennsylvania Who came to this amazing event with over a hundred thousand
	people?
	So what what can you do with New Jersey is New Jersey waking up? What are you seeing it?
	That's that's exactly it You know, the thing with New Jersey is that, yes, you know, we a lot of people call it a blue state.
	I call it more of a purple state because it's got a lot of red around it and a big blue streak running right down the heart of the state.
	And Democrats are waking up.
	You know, you have I mean, you've seen it yourself with Congressman Van Drew, who used to be a Democrat, woke up and came over to the Republican side because they have Went off the deep end.
	Now, you had a real upset victory when you ran for the State Senate.
	Talk to us about what you're seeing now.
	Why do 100,000 people go to that event?
	Is it just the usual stuff?
	Is it the economy?
	Is it immigration?
	Is there like a handful of themes that you're gonna hammer on your campaign for the governorship?
	Well, it's a...
	complete bag. It's the entire state, it's the entire country. I mean, just in the simple terms of,
	you know, economics of going to the grocery store, you cannot, as President Trump spoke of in the
	rally, about how he had a hot dog because it was the cheaper one of the three things to get, you
	know. Everything is so expensive. I cannot go to the store now without dropping a couple hundred
	It's ridiculous.
	And so yeah, the economy is a main focus, but it's also law enforcement.
	Law enforcement is very important.
	And we have a governor and an AG that just seems to, they've labeled mom and dads, you know, domestic terrorists.
	You know, they don't care about, you know, the individuals protecting our rights, but they worry about letting out criminals who have reoffended.
	Some have even committed murder.
	You know, it's a, it's a mixed bag of things and it's just got to stop.
	All right.
	So tell us what happens if you are the governor, what happens day one for Ed the truckers governorship?
	Well, day one, I am definitely going to, uh, and the, uh, offshore wind project, I believe in nuclear power.
	I think it's a failed energy process.
	I don't agree with the whole, Forcing people to get EVs.
	If they want to buy an EV, have at it.
	That's your personal choice.
	If you want an EV, that's fine.
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	so This can't be real.
	Stop it.
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	This is fresh.
	Okay, Casio has to post that instantly.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I want to use it with Conrad.
	Music playing.
	Making sense.
	Out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Yeah, sometimes it's just bloody impossible.
	Jeff, the video we just showed in the break that I think we're going to have to save for the next hour, can you swear on your everything that's holy to you that that's real?
	Yes, and it's from C-SPAN.
	And it's new.
	It's not from something that guy did 10 years ago.
	No, it looks like it is today.
	I'm just gonna hide in a hole in the ground till January.
	Um...
	If that video is real, Lord preserve us.
	Okay, let's cheer ourselves up first.
	Jeff, who is Harrison Butker?
	He's a kicker for the Chiefs.
	And he was in the news like three or four months ago, right?
	For something good.
	Yeah, something similar to this, yeah.
	And then he gave what?
	Is this a commencement speech?
	I think it is.
	Alright, this is Benedictine College.
	The kicker Harrison Butker for the Chiefs said this about the current man in the White House.
	Bad policies and poor leadership have negatively impacted major life issues.
	Things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values in media, all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
	Our own nation is led by a man who publicly and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith, but at the same time is delusional enough to make the sign of the cross during a pro-abortion rally.
	He has been so vocal in his support for the murder of innocent babies that I'm sure to many people, it appears that you can be both Catholic and pro-choice.
	I missed that.
	When did Biden make the sign of the cross at an abortion rally?
	Eric, Jeff, when did that happen?
	I don't recall that either.
	I believe it, but I don't remember that happening.
	Well, I believe it.
	Jeff, do you remember that?
	I'm trying to think.
	I'm sure it happened.
	Wow!
	God bless that man, Harrison Bunker, calling them out.
	You can't... It's very simple.
	You can't be a Catholic and pro-abortion.
	And let's just flip the language.
	It's not pro-choice because the unborn child has no choice.
	They're just ripped limb from limb or chemically discharged, rejected by the mother's body because of what chemicals a doctor prescribes for her.
	It's wrong.
	It is intrinsically evil and always is.
	It's not choice.
	It is the taking of an innocent life.
	And a taking of an innocent life can never ever be justified.
	We need a man back who, oh, as president, was the only president to ever address the March for Life.
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	Transcribed by https://otter.ai Transcribed by https://otter.ai
	It's not up yet, right?
	From now on, let's make sure we have a buffer of the article if it's been published.
	That I'm talking of.
	Yeah, if Jeff can send it to you.
	you. The New York Sun.
	Conrad, greetings.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	It's getting better every day.
	Yeah, indeed.
	Superb.
	I want to discuss your article on turning the back on Israel, but first I will be playing a clip, fresh off C-SPAN, of none other than Antony Blinken, which will beggar belief.
	Stand by.
	to be a part of that. He's a man. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.
	Constitution, America first.
	We have the best listeners on the planet.
	We couldn't, this team that are just political junkies par excellence We played the clip of the NFL player at the commencement address who said, how can a Catholic make the sign of the cross at an abortion event, a pro-abortion event?
	None of us had heard of that.
	None of us remembered it.
	And Donika, one of our listeners from Ireland, sends the link to Jeff of the video of Biden making the sign of the cross At a pro-abortion event.
	Thank you, Donna Kurt.
	Jeff is downloading it right now.
	If that weren't bad enough, this next clip that I teed up at the end of the last hour... By the way, we always have an amazing show for you, but Jeff has knocked it out of the park.
	Not only will we talk to Lord Conrad Black momentarily, Alan Dershowitz will be the second half of this hour, and then Lauren Southern for the one-on-one.
	Do not move.
	Don't go anywhere for the next two hours.
	Lord Black, I'm not sure... Well, I just have to play this and then I will unleash you on the world.
	This video was just released by C-SPAN.
	And it is from Kiev, and it occurred today, and it is the most senior diplomat of the most powerful nation in the world.
	This is Antony Blinken.
	I will gouge my ears out.
	Anthony Blinken, Lord Black, is performing, is singing very badly at a rock concert for peace in Kiev.
	Do we have?
	Well, we don't.
	We lost him.
	Oh my gosh!
	I'm gonna have to listen to that again!
	I can't stop... It was bad enough the first time we listened in the break.
	Then I had to play it again for Conrad.
	And now, if he didn't hear... Maybe he just slammed the phone down in protest when he heard it, which I do not blame him for.
	But if not, if he didn't hear it, I'm going to have to, I can't believe I'm going to say this, play it again.
	Do we have Lord Black back?
	I'm here.
	Play, I can't believe I'm going to have to sit through this for a third time,
	play Anthony Blinken from Kiev today.
	Right, I'm not surprised if you slam the phone down, Lord Black, in disgust,
	but I am speechless and for a radio host that's very bad.
	The most senior diplomat in the most powerful nation in the world is poorly performing songs at a peace concert in Kiev.
	Your reaction?
	Look, I don't want to be too censorious, but I think it's...
	I think it's inappropriate.
	We're in an extremely serious condition in international relations.
	There's a time for peace festivals, I suppose, but I don't think he's an appropriate person to be at them.
	In fairness to Blinken, I think he's Personally, seriously conflicted in the Israeli situation, as I understand that he has some Holocaust experiences in his own family.
	Correct.
	And he has at times made very eloquent statements in support of Israel.
	And he, early on, advocated approving, giving Ukraine, for example, advanced war planes, but was then revoked by the White House.
	I think, you know, I get the impression he's doing his best, but the problem he has now is, and the Biden administration has, is that they claim they have an ironclad commitment to Israel's right to defend itself, but they define defending itself as repelling invasions and punitive skirmishes against massacres committed against them.
	Israel made it clear at the start of the present war when they were invaded by Hamas in violation of the ceasefire and those appalling massacres occurred that Israel was at war and that they were determined to eliminate Hamas as a terrorist force because Hamas would never concede Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state so there could be no peace until Hamas was removed.
	So, an Israeli objective was victory.
	Victory was destruction of Hamas as a military force, not a political force.
	And Hamas stated, and their leader Haniyeh stated early on and repeatedly, that if Hamas survives, it will be the victor.
	And the United States is now taking the position that Israel should not resume its offensive.
	It should give up thousands more terrorists it has captured in exchange for the 132 hostages that Hamas seized in that barbarous expedition in October, and that the United States will guarantee that Israel will not resume its offensive.
	It will retire from Gaza.
	well in effect the united states is now aligned itself with hamas correct and that is a betrayal and it is a
	terrible strategic error
	as well as a dishonest and cowardly act and as far as anyone can see
	is cheaply motivated by this uh... crumbling administration trying to hang on to a
	relatively small number of unrepresentative
	uh... millet islamist votes in michigan and minnesota
	uh... that the great united states of america should be reduced to this is
	pitiful and and shaming and alarming
	And I understand the Secretary of State is distraught about it and might personally wish it otherwise, but I don't think the answer is to go to a peace concert in Kiev.
	But beyond that, beyond being conflicted or otherwise, just the question of what is seemly and unseemly.
	I mean, this is worse than Gaza and worse than Israel.
	We're talking about hundreds of thousands.
	I mean, Ukraine is a war zone.
	Hundreds of thousands of people killed on either side of the war.
	And he's playing electric guitar badly.
	How do other world leaders, inimical or otherwise, look at this tomfoolery?
	That it's likely to end in six months, and I think they're right.
	I mean, all you can say is that even the greatest nations have aberrant moments of silly government.
	And unfortunately, you know, I don't Look, I don't luxuriate in making comments like this about the presidency of the United States, but that's where we are.
	We have a silly government in a place that...
	You rarely get it, and the world can ill afford it.
	But the idea that there's nobody, not one sane person, at foggy bottom, in his retinue, in the front office, who says, Mr. Secretary, you probably shouldn't be singing, you know, in an electric guitar scenario, in a quote-unquote rock band, as Secretary of State!
	Yeah, of course you're right.
	And in a war-torn country, it's a victim of terrible aggression.
	No, that is certainly right.
	Look, the person in that administration that I really had some faith in was William Burns, the head of the CIA.
	He was, I believe, a well-respected ambassador in Moscow and a non-partisan figure.
	But he appears to have thrown in with the pro-Hamas policy of this administration.
	As you write in your article, he seems to be one of the chief architects of what, I'm not sure if you or the editor chose the title, but it's a very apt depiction, a betrayal for the ages.
	That was my phrase.
	I thought it would be.
	That's what I believe it to be.
	Such an ancient people as the Jews.
	That's a fair description.
	A betrayal for the ages.
	As the Biden administration turns on Israel, the Trump campaign begins to look like a juggernaut.
	We will analyze the second half of that analysis of that statement next, but you can read the article at nysan.com.
	And don't forget the latest book from our regular friend, fan favorite, The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, Lord Conrad Black, ConradMBlack.com, co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense, along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett, and of course on social media at ConradMBlack.
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	How do you feel about the way he thinks it's okay and how everyone on his team just agrees with him?
	No, I can't fathom it either.
	All I can think of is that the Personal stress of what's going on is affecting his judgment.
	Yeah, well, it's not good to be speechless.
	Not good to be speechless.
	Right.
	Just changing the subject, weren't you astounded by that crowd at Wildwood on Saturday?
	Ah, we've been talking about it constantly for the last day and a half.
	I mean, I think, if I remember well, from 16, there was never a rally that big.
	I mean, we hit 60, 70,000 a couple of times, but never one of that magnitude.
	I agree.
	I mean, nobody, no American leader has pulled crowds like this since Roosevelt, and that was before television.
	It's a great event to see the president.
	Let's discuss that again.
	Get the B-roll of the rally.
	I remember one thing distinctly.
	This was really early on.
	So I came on board in 15 to brief, to prep him for the debates on national security.
	And then I came back to Trump Tower Maybe a month or two later to just, you know, check up on the briefs and there was Corey Lewandowski and one other person with the president, maybe Jason Miller, and they were in such a panic because they were holding an event somewhere.
	I think it was Pennsylvania somewhere.
	And every place they booked, Conrad, they booked a place for, you know, 10,000 people and then within 24 hours it wasn't enough and they'd had to cancel it and then find another one and then with 24 hours later that wasn't big enough and they had to find another one.
	They're constantly hopscotching from one big venue to a larger venue because they weren't prepared for the crowds.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, look, as of now It couldn't look better for Trump.
	I mean, did you see Jonathan Turley's piece saying that the judge should issue a directed verdict, that there was absolutely no evidence of a crime?
	No, I did not.
	Is that in Fox or where?
	I think that's where.
	I think I saw it on RealClearPolitics, on the aggregator site.
	No matter how biased the jury, no matter how bigoted the judge, if there's absolutely no evidence of a crime, they're not going to be able to convict.
	But there's no way a Biden donor judge is going to do that.
	Well, no, I think that's probably right.
	But I think their chances of getting a judgment of guilty are not very good.
	Right.
	Unbelievable.
	I'm reading the chyron on the television now.
	Cohen's being cross-examined.
	He got two million dollars for his book.
	Michael Cohen.
	Michael Cohen.
	He's a seriously implausible witness.
	But which is worse, the convicted perjurer or the woman who last week said that she's a medium and she talks to dead people?
	Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh...
	Stand by.
	Heheheheheheh...
	Thanks for watching!
	Bye!
	Vance, what's going on in that courtroom is a threat to democracy, and we cannot have a country where we get to prosecute your political opponent instead of persuading the voters.
	A.G.
	Byrd, as you know, very highly respected from Iowa.
	Let the American people decide who the next leader of the free world will be.
	Politics has absolutely no place in this courtroom.
	This is all politics.
	Andy McCarthy, great legal analyst, said none of this is illegal.
	There's nothing illegal.
	It's called politics.
	There's nothing illegal.
	A lot of people said that.
	They're all saying that.
	The only person who won't say it is the judge because it's a rigged deal.
	He's conflicted.
	You ought to check that out.
	He is a conflicted judge.
	They may be trying to gag him, but they fail, and they're giving him an international platform every single day.
	We are back with Lord Conrad Black, author of the book, most recently, a mandatory read for all of our listeners.
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	Lord Black, you call in your latest article about Israel.
	You call what's happening to President Trump, his campaign is looking like a juggernaut.
	One strategic communications question I find fascinating.
	Let me just posit to you the juxtaposition.
	On the one hand, we find out that one of the chief hatchet men, one of the chief investigators for the Trump impeachment, Dan Goldman, who later became a congressman,
	has admitted that he was prepping Michael Cohen.
	So a sitting congressman met on numerous occasions with a quote-unquote star witness for the
	Alvin Bragg prosecution.
	We have that on the one hand.
	And then today, I don't know how they managed to get it, Vivek Ramaswamy, we have Tim Scott,
	I think we had, who else did we have?
	J.D. Vance, we had the Speaker of the House, these leading lights of the conservative movement,
	not only at the court with President Trump, they're all dressed differently.
	The same way.
	Every single one of them, like President Trump, had a red tie and a dark suit.
	This paints a picture whereby it just looks so transparent that the left is executing political persecution and now the right is finally behind the man who's being targeted.
	Yes.
	Yes, I think it's actually, from a Trump standpoint, coming together very well.
	I mean, you and I talked about it.
	Everyone knew that it was a spurious prosecution.
	But I thought at least it would be a professional prosecution.
	And they brought in a sequence of lawyers to start, Pecker and Ho, PX, and so on, that were very favorable to the defendant.
	And then they brought in Stormy Daniels, who had absolutely nothing to contribute to the issues.
	And supposedly smeared Trump, but in fact reduced the whole thing to a ludicrous spectacle so absurd it couldn't even, you know, get on a pornographic daytime soap opera.
	And now they conclude, apparently, with their star witness who couldn't bring himself to imply anything illegal.
	So, what is everybody doing there?
	I mean, what is the point of this?
	Well, we know what they're doing there, and we know what the point is, but it's a total failure.
	So, what happens now?
	Do they wake up and realize the damage they've done to their own cause?
	I find it hard to believe after the last, what, seven and a half years, that there'll be a moment of rational, clear thought, or the hatred continues for the next six months.
	Well, I assume, in general, hatred continues.
	On this particular case, if the Judge Merchant wants to salvage any respect for himself at all, he'll follow Jonathan Turley's advice and direct a verdict that the case hasn't been proved and need not go to the jury.
	I assume he won't do that.
	Yeah.
	I think that leaves it open to the defense to point out that there has been no allegation of illegality.
	And if those people in the jury who don't like Trump, they're perfectly entitled not to like him.
	But the thing to do is vote against him or go and work hard for the other candidate.
	And vote against Trump.
	But carry it out in normal, civilized, legal way, not convicting a person that they can see is absolutely not guilty of these ludicrous charges.
	And then with the postponement of the documents trial in Florida under Judge Cannon, with Jack Smith in abeyance because of the Supreme Court decision, and the decision to permit an appeal regarding Fannie Willis's handling of the case, does it look as if everything, every assault has collapsed?
	Yes, I think the lawfare thing has been the absolute failure it eminently deserved to be.
	It was a scandalous, unconstitutional proceeding.
	If they want to defeat Trump, they're going to have to do it in a good old-fashioned way and actually get enough people to vote against him.
	By which I mean real voters, not unverified, fraudulent, harvested ballot.
	And then, will they run this man, or will there be some kind of end run and some shenanigans at the convention to replace him with somebody else, or is it too late?
	Well, I think it looks like they're stuck with him, but on the other hand, I can't see the Democratic Party we know, you know, riding into the valley of death like this.
	I mean, it's obvious that this man can't win, so I assume that the powers that be in that party, whoever they are, I guess
	it's Obama and President Clinton and the leaders in the Congress and the governors of the big
	states and some others, call upon them and say, look, if you force us to do it, we're
	going to ask the delegates and even those committed to you to change their vote because
	you can't do it. You've got to go.
	Now, say you're exiting it and we'll give you a hallelujah chorus and make it look like a
	statesmanlike act. But if you, We're not going down the drain with you, Joe.
	I mean, I would assume that's what they do.
	The website is Conrad M. Black.
	The podcast is Scholars and Sense.
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	The jury has been dismissed for the day.
	And President Trump is expected to address the press momentarily.
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	Thank you, Lord Black.
	Next up, Alan Dershowitz.
	I'm sure he has much to say on both the court case and this, Independence Day for the reborn
	Israeli state.
	He's Trump now.
	He's The Democrats still have to carry the can for this awful administration, and it'll just look too shambolic, I think.
	You don't think they can say, oh, that was just Joe Biden, here's the new guy?
	Yeah, and the ideas were right, but he just got the detail a bit wrong, but, you know, that kind of thing.
	Like they say about communism.
	Good idea, always imperfectly executed.
	That's right.
	We lost sight of the human face of communism.
	That's right.
	As a boot was stamping on it forever.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, please give Alan my regards.
	I shall.
	Good.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Bye-bye.
	Yep.
	Bye.
	Guys, can you get ready to pipe in the sound from the courtroom?
	Who's the guy with the beard?
	What's that congressman's name?
	Yeah.
	Corey Mills, yeah.
	Hang on a second.
	Oh, and I need his book on the October 7th attack.
	There's Get Trump, and then I need the other one.
	War Against the Jews.
	Come in with Bernie Sanders again if he's not live.
	Bye!
	The old, the nickel.
	There's a lina.
	There's a woman who's taller than Alina?
	Is that Lara?
	She must be standing on something.
	Corey Mills is where?
	Where's he from?
	Florida.
	How did they get everyone to wear the same red tie?
	Corey, Vivek, JD, all of them.
	Tubbleville Tubbleville, TN
	Tubbleville, TN Tubbleville, TN
	Tubbleville, TN Tubbleville, TN
	Anyways anyways we should get going according to their suggestionsfull Music
	Notion Drum
	Burst Everything
	Music that Donald Trump committed.
	I'll wait.
	Yeah.
	He's off again?
	I'm not sure.
	Friday 18 June 2016 The following is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to
	anyone, living or dead, is coincidental and unintentional.
	The following is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to anyone, living or dead, is coincidental and unintentional.
	I'm the Republican nominee for president.
	I'm leading in every poll.
	And I have a gag order.
	So, I think it's totally unconstitutional.
	We will test that.
	This will be tested.
	Because this should never happen to another candidate or another person, what's happening here.
	And today we had a very, I think a very good day in court.
	You see what's happening.
	And you'll have to report it because I can't talk about it too much.
	But I think it was a very, very good day.
	The voters are getting a John McLaughlin, probably number one poll number with Fabrizio.
	John McLaughlin is probably the number one pollster.
	And voters are getting it, and they don't like the idea that the courts are deciding the presidential election.
	Well, so far, my numbers were leading by a lot, as you know, against crooked Joe Biden.
	Charlie Hurd, a great person, great reporter.
	The problem for Democrats is that the extensive polling now shows that the voters see through their scam and don't like what's going on.
	Watching 100,000 enthusiastic people gather along the boardwalk of New Jersey Beach this Saturday, as you probably saw, to support former President Trump on Saturday evening gives you some idea how terrified Democrats are of Trump.
	Well, I'm not saying it.
	He's saying it.
	I don't think they're terrified of anything.
	They're fascists.
	Whatever happens, they cannot face him in the fair and honest election.
	There's no way anybody else is going to beat Trump.
	And they're using election interference to try and do it.
	President Trump speaking live outside the Manhattan courtroom.
	Election interference, quite simple.
	Nothing more, nothing less.
	Let's analyze it.
	On a perfect guest for this day, on Independence Day for the modern state of Israel, he is of course the Professor Emeritus of Law from Harvard University, truth-teller extraordinaire, the author of the book, Get Trump, and more recently, The War Against the Jews.
	Professor Alan Dershowitz, are you there?
	I am there.
	Nice to talk to you, Seb.
	So, is it done?
	Is it over?
	This is the final witness.
	Last week we had a woman who makes her money lying on her back and said she's a medium and talks to dead people.
	And this week we had the perjurer who admitted on the stand he hates President Trump.
	Is this farrago going to collapse or will it just keep on going for weeks and weeks?
	No, it's going to be over soon.
	The question is whether the defense puts on a case.
	They're not going to put on Donald Trump because the first question he would be asked is, did you have sex with Stormy Daniels?
	If he says no, he'll be indicted for perjury.
	He'll be back in the courthouse once again on a much stronger case.
	So the only issue is whether the defense puts on a case of expert witnesses.
	Uh, witnesses were experts in election law, indicating that there's no basis whatsoever for concluding that there was any intent to violate or any violation of federal election laws.
	I don't think they're gonna put on any live witnesses.
	I think that wouldn't be a smart thing to do.
	So it'll be over before Memorial Day, but how much before, I'm not sure.
	And when it comes to the fact that we have Stormy Daniels' letter from 2018, where she
	said I had no relationship with Donald Trump, and then the other witness is a convicted
	perjurer, struck off the bar, 14 months in prison, who if he, if anybody misstated categories
	of expense, it's actually the witness...
	Michael Cohen. Doesn't that by itself just, I mean, aren't those facts enough for the
	defense?
	In a case outside of New York City, Manhattan, it would be more than enough. If there were
	a judge who were not biased, he would be dismissing the case at this point. The Stormy Daniels
	testimony is utterly irrelevant because it doesn't matter whether or not he had sex with
	her. All that matters is that she accused him. And the best proof of that is that the
	doorman accused him of having fathered a child, and they paid him money too. So when you're
	being extorted, the issue is not whether you're guilty or not.
	The issue is whether you want to spare your family the difficulty of having been accused in public.
	And so all that testimony is irrelevant and would result in a reversal of the conviction if it ever came to an appeal.
	And the expectation is what?
	I mean, many of the commentators make much of the one Irish immigrant who's on the jury.
	Then we have some attorneys as well.
	Is this going to be a hung jury or is it just two New York and they're going to say, oh, he did it?
	It's two New York.
	In fact, you know, CNN thinks he's guilty and they think this is the most serious crime since the assassination of Lincoln.
	But one of their common data is Well, this is a fair jury because it's representative of the people of Manhattan.
	That's like saying that a white Mississippi jury in 1930 was representative of the white citizens of Mississippi.
	Sure, it's representative of New York, 85% of whom don't want to see Donald Trump president and will do anything in their power to keep him from being president.
	So I don't think you can get a fair trial here, but the evidence is so weak here that it's conceivable there'd be an acquittal more likely on the jury.
	We're talking to Professor Alan Dershowitz.
	He is the author of Get Trump, and we will be discussing next his prior work, The War Against, or his more recent work, The War Against the Jews.
	Follow him right now at alandersh and dersh.substack.com.
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	I recuse myself, what can be done at that point?
	Well, very little.
	It's an appellate issue.
	But, you know, the goal is to get a down-and-dirty conviction, even if it's reversed on appeal, which it likely would be.
	It would be too late.
	It would be after the election was over.
	So this is real election interference.
	Look, I'm a liberal Democrat.
	I voted for Joe Biden.
	And I can't abide the idea that my side of the debate is misusing the criminal justice system in this way.
	It's just wrong.
	Well, what about turning the back on Israel?
	How about that?
	It's terrible.
	It's just terrible.
	I mean, I no longer presumptively consider myself a Democrat.
	I don't vote for candidates because they're Democrats.
	I will assess every candidate independently.
	President Biden is stabbing Israel in the back.
	The idea that he would withhold intelligence as to where the leaders of Hamas are, or withhold smart bombs, or have a quid pro quo.
	Remember that Trump was charged.
	I defended him.
	In his first trial with a quid pro quo.
	Yes.
	That's what we have here.
	We're having the President of the United States and the Secretary of State say to Israel, here's the quid pro quo.
	We'll give you intelligence.
	We'll give you smart bombs.
	But you have to, quid pro quo, stay out of Rafah.
	I hope Israel ignores that.
	Let's make that point next.
	All right.
	Eric, will you come back with President Trump?
	He's still talking.
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	Professor Dersowitz, within weeks of the massacre of the innocents on October the 7th, you published a book.
	War against the Jews.
	How to end Hamas barbarism.
	Israel will do what has to be done.
	But it is going to be harder to do that given the policies of this administration occurring just days before the independent celebration for Israel today.
	And also because of statements like these from senior senators who are also Democrats.
	Play cut.
	The reality is, as I think any objective observer knows, Israel has broken international law, it has broken American law, and in my view, Israel should not be receiving another nickel in U.S.
	military aid.
	I've worked closely with the IDF over the years.
	They've been in my classrooms.
	I visited Israel on numerous occasions.
	The IDF, out of my experience with the military of at least 50 countries, is the most legally scrupulous fighting force out there.
	The idea that senators say not a nickel and that the president has withheld munition shipments, your reaction?
	Was that Bernie Sanders talking?
	Yes, yes.
	Well, he would have been thoroughly approving of all kinds of arms to Cuba, and probably to many of America's socialist and radical enemies.
	I mean, the guy is a hypocrite, and the worst senator probably in modern history.
	Never got anything done.
	I grew up with guys like that, Jews from Brooklyn, who wanted to cure the world of racism, so he moves to Vermont where there are no African-American people.
	What a goddamn hypocrite he is.
	And, you know, a lot of the senators now are moving away from Israel, Senator Murphy of Connecticut, and Israel doesn't have very many friends among the Democrats.
	What has happened to your erstwhile party, Professor?
	Well, they've become woke, and they listen to the Hitler Youth that are marching at universities today, that are walking out on Jerry Seinfeld because he's Jewish, and a comedian.
	They are falling into this horrible trap of hating America, hating Israel, hating Israel because it's so close to America and because it has such a strong alliance with America, and I will not vote for a candidate Who has those attitudes.
	Israel has to be ready and willing and able to defeat Hamas.
	And Biden speaks out of both sides of his mouth.
	He says Israel should be able to defeat Hamas, but we're not going to give them the weaponry necessary to do it.
	And then even if they can't defeat Hamas, because you can't defeat an ideology.
	We defeated Nazism.
	We defeated the Japanese imperialism.
	The only Nazis left go to Columbia College.
	So what is to be done at this point?
	Because you are one of the greatest champions of the First Amendment.
	What is to be done?
	Because you used the phrase, the Hitler Youth on our U.S.
	campuses, and that is correct.
	So what is our response?
	To allow them to spew genocidal hatred?
	Well, the answer is very simple.
	There's a three-letter answer.
	Ku Klux Klan.
	Whatever the rules are on universities for the Klan, if the Klan is allowed to come on campus and say, we believe in lynching blacks, then you should allow people to come on and say, we're in favor of lynching or genocide against the Jews.
	But no university would allow white racists.
	No university would allow anti-gay speakers.
	And so you have to have the same rules applicable to Jews and applicable to Zionists and applicable to Israel.
	You can't have one rule That says, we protect blacks and gays, but we don't protect Jews.
	The First Amendment doesn't support that, basic decency doesn't support that, and civil rights statutes don't support that.
	So, what we need to expect from the Ivy Leagues is consistency, but given that they've been riven through by those who share a very similar ideology, the tenure track seems to promote those who are mostly of the same political identity, is this soluble on the short term?
	No, it's not.
	Look at what Harvard did today.
	Harvard today made a deal with the illegal encampers, saying, all right, all right, you committed crimes, you violated the law, now we're going to give in to you, and we'll let you talk to our board and argue for divestment.
	Does that mean that in order to get a hearing in front of a board, you have to commit illegal acts?
	Yeah.
	Do Jewish and Zionist students have to begin now to encamp in order to get a hearing?
	What kind of a message does it send?
	If they give in to this, and now the school said it will give amnesty to the students, no, you have to punish them if they violate the law, if they violate the rules of the university.
	You can't give in to illegal conduct.
	Legal demonstrations are fine.
	I defended many of the people who protested on Harvard campus against the Vietnam War, and we distinguished between students who did it lawfully and unlawfully.
	If they did it unlawfully, they were suspended.
	If they did it lawfully, that's fine.
	Universities shouldn't take positions on controversial issues.
	They should be areas where all points of view can be expressed, consistent with time, manner, and place restrictions on the First Amendment.
	You can't burst into a class.
	You can't do what Professor Joseph Mossad did recently, or some years ago, when he called on a student, and the student seemed to speak with an Israeli accent, and he said, are you Israeli?
	And the student said, yes.
	And Professor Musite said, you can't speak in my class unless you're willing to admit you're a war criminal.
	That's not consistent with the First Amendment.
	A teacher has no right to berate a student that way.
	Find out more from the author of War Against the Jews, How to End Hamas Barbarism, number one New York Times bestselling author, Professor Alan Dershowitz.
	Follow him at Alan Dersh, D-E-R-S-H, on Twitter and at his substack, dersh.substack.com.
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	Come in with 10.
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	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Dersh, what did he say?
	We have Hitler Youth on our campuses, on US campuses.
	And black.
	And then black.
	What was the best angle there?
	Black, black, black, black, black.
	I'm scared.
	My name's Joe Biden.
	I work for Kamala Harris.
	I asked her to be my vice president, but I knew I needed somebody smarter than me.
	Asked her to be my vice president?
	Jeff, what's a vice president?
	That's none of those new words that Biden has created.
	Why did he say that stuff?
	He's in the Rose Garden.
	He said Kamala Harris is smarter than him?
	What does that make him?
	I don't know.
	Remember the time he said that if they disagreed he'd get a virus and go away?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So what does that mean?
	Is he going to get some ailment imminently?
	I think he has an ailment.
	He just might admit it.
	I think he's got multiple ailments.
	Let's continue with the humor.
	Joe Scarborough just said the most amazing thing.
	The New York Times.
	Do you know who's side they're on?
	Just listen to Joe.
	But the New York Times-Unipol traditionally has consistently slanted toward Donald Trump.
	And what's so funny is, the Times will release their polls, liberals will run around with their hair on fire for about a month, right?
	And then like three days later, polls will come out that will show a deadlocked race.
	Eric, I didn't know New York Times was MAGA.
	I'm going to have to get a subscription.
	Did you know it was MAGA?
	Apparently so.
	They always do this.
	Whenever the polls suddenly show, oh, Trump's in the lead, New York Times, Siena.
	He's up by 12 in Nevada.
	Suddenly, oh, the New York Times is coming for Trump.
	It's like when Pelosi got mad at Katie Turner and said, you can be a Trump apologist if you want to.
	Even Katie Turner was like, no one's ever accused me of being that.
	Right, right.
	They lose their minds.
	Absolutely hilarious.
	All right, let's have something a little bit more serious.
	Good performance from Donald Trump Jr.
	on Newsmax.
	A summary of everything they're doing to President Trump.
	Cut seven.
	No one's ever seen this level of corruption, this level of ethical violations, this miscarriage of justice, you know, whether it's again the Letitia James, you know, a billion dollars for paying back banks on time ahead of schedule where they've made money and they're literally on the stand testifying that they wanted to do more business with Trump.
	You have Fannie Willis down in Georgia, you know, the graft and the money going back and forth there.
	Then you have Jack Smith, And all the corruption there with the FBI, literally admitting to tampering with documents.
	The FBI is tampering with documents of the leading party, the leader of the opposition party to Joe Biden's DOJ.
	And yet, nothing happens.
	It's almost crickets in the mainstream media.
	And sadly, where is the Republican Party?
	Finally we see some patriots standing behind President Trump today, including JD Vance and Vivek Ramaswamy.
	That should have been happening for the last seven weeks.
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	America's hat or America's largest national park.
	It's actually an independent country.
	You wouldn't know it if you listened to some people.
	It's Canada, our northerly neighbours, and for some reason there's a disproportionate amount of People there who are very loud and love Western civilization.
	And I got to meet one of them yesterday in a list that includes the likes of Stephen Crowder, Lauren Shane, Chris Elston, who we spoke to yesterday, and of course, Dr. Jordan Peterson.
	We cannot forget Lauren Southern, in studio one-on-one.
	Lauren, welcome to America First.
	Thank you for having me.
	What is it about Canadians?
	Why do you have people who are so loud and pro-Western?
	I'd say we're about 10 to 15 years ahead of America when it comes to slipping down the throat of the Marxist beast.
	We're deep in its belly.
	So it's worse than here?
	Oh, of course.
	I mean, have you seen Trudeau?
	I have, unfortunately, seen Trudeau.
	You've got Sleepy Joe, but we've got a nine-year-long global embarrassment humiliation ritual going on 24-7 on the news with the likes of Trudeau, and also just a destruction of our country every single day.
	But I want to know how you got into our country because you're such a clearly dangerous individual that you've been banned from, where, the UK, Australia?
	UK, Australia.
	Don't think I can go to New Zealand.
	Definitely can't go back to Turkey.
	And I was banned from the US for two years, believe it or not, the land of freedom.
	Are you like a member of Hamas?
	What's the problem?
	Or are those the people that get let in with, you know, red carpet?
	Well, the first time I was pulled in and not allowed into the country, this was when COVID was just kind of popping off.
	And they brought me in for questioning for around seven or eight hours.
	So you landed in an airport.
	So they actually will not allow Canadians into America until you've gone through American security services at a Canadian airport.
	Oh, they have the pre-clearance.
	But they can detain you in there as a Canadian and so they detained me in there.
	Wouldn't let me go through on my way.
	They said what?
	What's the problem?
	Well, they just said they needed to speak to me about a few things in secondary screening, and the things included my documentary Farmlands on the farm murders in South Africa, my film Borderless on mass migration, and then they demanded to go through my cell phone, and I'm like, I have nothing to hide as long as you go through it in front of me for sure, and they opened a WhatsApp group.
	So you're on Canadian soil and a US official from I presume CBP or ICE or
	Department of Homeland Security demands to go through your cell phone
	because you made documentaries? Correct yeah it sounds insane but this is...
	And they're looking for what? Did they say like you're too in love with white farmers in South Africa?
	What was the crime?
	Well, there were a few crimes.
	One, they found I was part of a WhatsApp group called Make America Great Again.
	I hadn't even commented in it.
	Someone had just invited me in and they claimed that was suspicious behavior.
	And then they wanted me to prove to them that I was not a white nationalist, to which I said, I'm not.
	If you can find anything online where I'm proclaiming to be one, We can talk about that, and I'm sure I can explain it, but you won't.
	And they kept saying, do you have any proof?
	Do you have any proof?
	And at the time I mentioned, well, my husband then was half Asian.
	So I was like, well, my husband's part Asian.
	I can, you know, show you that, I guess.
	And I'm not even joking.
	This Homeland Security guy looks at me and says, show me a picture of him.
	So you have to prove that your husband is half Asian.
	That's the level of absurdity we're talking about.
	This is America today.
	Right.
	Gets better.
	I bring out a photo.
	Show them the photo.
	He looks at it and says, looks pretty white to me.
	Wow.
	Gives me back my phone and they deny my entry to the country.
	So we've got some kind of strange reverse ethnostate going on in America right now, where, like, how non-white... If you're white and married to a half-Asian, then you can't be let in.
	Maybe he had to be full Asian or black.
	Maybe three-quarters.
	Maybe three-quarters they would have let me in the country.
	Maybe they'll start doing blood tests to enter America.
	So we're inviting you because you've been so gracious.
	We met, you did an interview with my friends, the hosts of the Trigonometry podcast out of the UK, Frances Foster and Constance Kissin, who are visiting the US.
	And then we had dinner at my house on Sunday night and you graciously agreed to stay on
	to do this interview.
	Can you explain the, I think this happened again, it's being pulled into secondary is
	the technical term, you're pulled into secondary, you're not allowed to clear through customs
	and immigration.
	I'll tell you my experience with that in a moment.
	But didn't you have a little child when it happened the last time?
	Yeah, an infant that I was taking care of.
	And while these people are telling me you're essentially a threat to America for your opinions, I'm having to take care of a baby crawling around.
	For how many hours?
	I think it was around seven or eight hours the first time.
	And then I tried to return to America, and the same thing happened again.
	And the crazy part is they don't want to directly ban you.
	So they will just question you long enough every time you try to go into the States that you'll miss your flight.
	Right.
	And then if you don't withdraw your entry voluntarily, then you'll get banned.
	So they kind of pressure you into just withdrawing your entry so that they don't have to prove or go to court potentially later and say, why did you ban her?
	Oh, she withdrew her entry.
	But I have to.
	For those who find it difficult, if you're listening or not watching, this is a beautiful young lady who is a threat only to jihadis.
	We'll explain that in a moment.
	And she's being refused entry into America.
	If you don't believe it, Let me tell you a story.
	After Biden quote unquote won the election, every trip I took abroad, after which I came home to America as a former deputy to the president who still maintains a top secret SCI clearance, every time I landed back in America, I too was pulled into secondary, secondary questioning, where most often, The CBP officers, the Department of Homeland Security officers, recognized me and said, I'm sorry, Dr. G, you're flagged on the system.
	I can't tell you why, but we have to interrogate you.
	Even when I'm traveling with my family, they go through customs, they're back waiting for the Uber, and I'm sitting there being questioned by people who don't know why I'm being questioned.
	This is happening in America.
	Let's begin by explaining how you got to be such a dangerous person for the establishment.
	When did it all begin?
	Share a shortened version of what happened to you in school.
	You had a teacher who did what to you and you had to put the essays under the door or something?
	That was university, high school.
	They brought in the very first social justice courses that were in the public curriculum in Canada.
	This was I think around 2012.
	And our teacher took us out to the hallway, our social justice teacher, and split us up by gender, by race, by sexuality, whatever it is, and she had a side of the locker that she labeled privileged and a side that she labeled oppressed.
	And I remember watching my classmates, you know, I knew their backgrounds, I knew their stories, and seeing kids being put on the oppressed side of the spectrum that were very wealthy Asian families.
	So they were only there because of their ethnic Yes, put there because they were ethnic.
	Super rich, well-to-do.
	Exactly.
	And then I saw kids that I knew came from extraordinarily poor backgrounds, abusive
	homes, being put on the oppressed side because they were a man or because they were white.
	And it just seemed so unjust, so disgusting to me that that really triggered a lot of
	my desire to go into politics.
	And it definitely only got worse in university, as you can imagine, with I had a very Marxist
	English teacher who didn't—he believed that spelling things correctly was a form of white
	supremacy.
	And when I'm working three jobs to pay for my courses here and I take an English class
	and I'm being taught to spell wrong— A little, ticked me off a little.
	And we had one class where he said that using language in a offensive way was just as bad as the Holocaust.
	I put my hand up and said, well, you know, professor, I just don't think, you know, calling someone fat or stupid is quite the same as what the SS did.
	I got kicked out of the class.
	He had a full meltdown.
	Apparently the next class he did, a few days later, the whole class was about me and the dangers of people that think like me.
	Wow.
	Constantine last night from Trigonometry was listening and he's like, oh my goodness, Lauren, it's almost like the whole system in Canada is trying to make people as far right as possible.
	How could you not be pushed?
	Right, they're actually radicalizing people who weren't radical.
	Exactly.
	All right, I'm going to ask what that actually will result in eventually.
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	Even the people who were pro-migration, even the people who were pro-bringing them over, said it just doesn't make sense to have them here, of all places.
	And the one thing as well that everyone repeated to me during this documentary was that we were never asked.
	They were never asked if they wanted this.
	This is their country.
	And it's heartbreaking.
	Now, what happened when I released my film Borderless, predicting all of this that we're seeing now?
	Well, I was blacklisted.
	I was called a racist.
	Irish Antifa tried to dox me and chase me out of the country.
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	Lauren, you said something shocking at dinner.
	I mean, look, the numbers here just beg to believe.
	We are a huge nation of 340 million and we've had at least 8 million, you can probably double that, so probably 16 million who've been let in illegally in the last three and a half years.
	But you've got some pretty shocking figures in Canada as well, have you not?
	Oh yeah, we bring in, it doesn't seem like much compared to America, but over half a million migrants, and that's just the legal ones, that's not including student visas, illegals, everything, per year in a country of 30 some odd million people.
	So that's quite a lot, right?
	And they only build 200,000 houses in Canada a year.
	So you're bringing in half a million.
	So this must create a housing crisis.
	The likes of which we've never seen before.
	So you're telling us figures about a friend of yours, tiny apartment.
	Yeah.
	Spending what, like $2,000?
	The rent since 2015-2016 has more than doubled in cities like Vancouver and Toronto.
	It's nearly impossible to find.
	You can't buy a home.
	If you are a millennial, you will never own a home in Canada at this rate.
	But it's certainly been well for the people who have investments and properties in Canada, many of which are overseas in China, part of the Chinese Communist Party, and many of which are part of the Liberal Party of Canada.
	So this whole immigration scheme is all part of propping up a housing market that should have naturally collapsed and stayed within the normal price ranges for Canadian citizens, but instead we are dealing with a housing crisis That is going to destroy Gen Z, destroy millennials and destroy the future of Canadians.
	You have people dividing homes in Toronto and Vancouver into 17 different tiny houses that are half the size if not a quarter of the size of the studio and they're putting them up for $2,300 to $2,500.
	So, walk me through this, because you have gone, you're a very brave lady, you've gone to some dangerous parts of the world, you've documented how we have opened, you've documented what's happening in South Africa, you've documented what's happening in Australia, in Ireland, in the UK.
	This would seem, if you're rational, a kind of suicidal act on behalf of the elites, because at some point people say, hang on, this is nuts, I can't buy a home, I can't afford to rent.
	What is the prerogative, what is driving the elites on both sides of the Atlantic, in North America, to just make the futures of their own citizenry impossible?
	Have you found out what it is that drives them?
	There's multiple factors.
	One is the obviously just suicidal, pathological altruism of Canadians, where we just want to be as kind as possible, give it all away until they realize they've got nothing.
	And then two is the politicians know that our entire economy is based on the housing market, so if they allow it to collapse, all of their portfolios collapse.
	The economy of Canada is nuked, like, it's all going out the window.
	And then three, we are captured by Foreign interests.
	We have heavy... Did you follow the Chinese government influence in Canada and Australia, the Liberal Party?
	There's a great book about Clive Hamilton, Silent Invasion.
	Fantastic book on the topic.
	But we literally have Chinese spies in our institutions, honeypotting Liberal politicians that have bought vast majorities of businesses and properties in Canada.
	that are just taking our nation for everything it's worth, gutting it until it's going to be a
	husk of what it was and China's going to have all of that money, all of that power, and all of that
	property. And there is no form of patriotism allowed in Canada to stand up to it because
	every form of patriotism has been branded white supremacy, has been branded radical extremist.
	Trudeau himself said in one of his early interviews, Canada is a post-national country.
	We are no longer a nation.
	And the man's not kidding.
	We don't have borders anymore.
	What is a nation without a border?
	I mean, America's going that way pretty good, too.
	Right.
	But do you have an explanation for why it is that these people don't register that they are increasingly unpopular with the working class or even the middle class but when you have you know citizens of Chicago at town hall meetings screaming at the mayor because you know that their local kids school was shut down so illegals can live in the school how do they come over this cognitive dissonance that okay I may be protecting my investments but I'm going to be kicked out of office
	Well, they're very good at playing the political games, of course.
	In Canada, we had an early election called... I thought it was in the bag, the Conservatives were going to win, but we put forward O'Toole as the leader of the Conservatives, who decided to go on a pro-vaccine mandate policy, anti-gun policy, pro-mass migration policy, and the Conservatives thought that if we just So they're just isolated?
	the liberals then we can win if we become liberal light. Of course that
	caused a liberal landslide. Trudeau back in office destroying the country even
	more. They're very, they don't, they aren't listening. They don't care. It's
	about their investment profiles. Trudeau, he's not reading the comments. He has
	fixers that go around in public and ensure that none of the bad people will
	be around. So they're just isolated. They're like Marie Antoinette.
	Absolutely.
	They isolate them.
	They strategize against the people for their own gain.
	And now, I think it's finally coming to a head, though.
	I think Pierre Polyeb is going to have a shot.
	And if he doesn't... The new conservative leader.
	The new conservative leader.
	Election coming up later this year.
	And if Polly Ebb doesn't make it in, then there's an act going through, the Canadian
	Harms Act.
	I'm not sure if you've covered it, but essentially it will make critiquing the government, critiquing
	the progressive policies in our nation, illegal.
	You could go to jail for life.
	So all these things that are criticisms, opinions, will be re-registered as hate crimes, which
	could lead up to a life term in prison.
	Up to a life term in prison, yes.
	We're talking to Lauren Southern.
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	that's my whole name is one word sebastiangorka.substack.com I will never apologize for standing up
	for a LGDP, LGT, LBT, LGBTQ2 plus kids rights the script kind of the comedy just kind of writes it out
	itself I always say just, you know, pretend it's the alphabet.
	LGBTQ, LMNOP, that's what I do.
	So we played that hilarious clip from Trudeau who hopefully, as you predicted, will be trounced in the elections by the new Tory leader.
	This issue, the trans issue, the LGBTQ whatever, what is your Perception, expectation in Canada or in America, because I fear that I may be reading too much into it, but I think this is, you know, the giant red pill for tens of millions of people who otherwise don't see themselves as political but wake up one morning and say,
	What happened to my 14-year-old daughter's track and field career?
	You know, this guy who calls himself Julie has just stepped onto the track and destroyed it.
	Should we expect this to be a kind of wake-up call for millions?
	I mean, I'd hope so.
	It's something that affects me and my community personally.
	I mean, I interviewed a young girl that goes to my church who went to one of the local high schools in our community that convinced her to change genders.
	She was uncomfortable with boys leering at her, she was more of a tomboy and of course
	because the new gender ideology tells you well you know if you like playing with trucks
	and you're a girl and you like Barbie and you're a boy well then you're actually the
	other gender.
	She decided to go forward with some of these surgeries.
	At 16 years old the Canadian government paid to have her breasts removed and when she got
	a little older, started attending our church, people talking to her about hey you know you
	You can still be a tomboy if you're biologically a girl.
	That's totally fine.
	She decided, no, this isn't for me, and the government won't pay to undo the horrific changes.
	So the mutilation to trans is paid for.
	By the Canadian government.
	But going back to what she was, that's not.
	No, they don't even want to acknowledge that, because that would mean acknowledging maybe this isn't the best decision, maybe they need to have some patience, maybe they need to have some wisdom in who they're encouraging to go down this road, especially when they're putting this propaganda in schools with SOGI123, which is our kind of trans-LGBTQ propaganda for high schools in Canada.
	But yeah, and it's more than people don't realize.
	It's not just those surgeries.
	Once you go on these things like testosterone, it changes your voice.
	You start growing hair.
	This is tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in reversal surgeries just to feel normal again.
	If possible.
	I mean, Chloe Cole still has that deep voice, even though she's detransitioned.
	Yeah, so it's, I mean, I'm seeing individual families who were never political before, didn't think about it, now being forced into the political realm in ways that they never expected, in ways that have torn apart their families.
	And it's something that the politicians just see as necessary consequences that can be ignored for progress, for the sake of progress.
	Even if that progress destroys the world and the lives of the people around them, well, we've got to keep moving forward, because that's the... No one wants to go back on the decisions they've made.
	No one wants to say they were wrong, no matter how many kids' lives are ruined.
	Is there general awareness of... Because here in America, you speak to some people who are even knowledgeable, and they'll say, what do you mean, double mastectomies for young girls?
	That's not happening in America.
	Is there awareness, at least in Canada, that it's happening?
	I think there's an increasing awareness, but I think we're entering this state where people are so disconnected from the physical world, they're all up in their heads.
	All of the information they're getting is on the computer, from CBC, from political textbooks.
	If people were just more present in their bodies, in reality, it's very obvious.
	I can't be a boy, you can't be a girl.
	That's extraordinarily obvious.
	But the propaganda machine is spinning so fast because of the rise of the internet, and worse, With the introduction of COVID, I think they just increased it tenfold, because people weren't even able to go out of their houses and compare notes with other humans.
	Yeah.
	We're talking to Lauren Southern.
	Follow her right now at Lauren underscore Southern.
	We are coming to you from just outside the insalubrious, fetid, rank, malodorous, noisome, ghastly swamp that is Washington, D.C.
	From the reliefactor.com studios.
	I mean, certainly, certainly, certainly you tap, certainly you tap very strong ideological language quite frequently.
	Like what?
	I almost never talk about left or right.
	I don't really believe in that.
	I almost never talk about left or right. I don't really believe in that.
	A lot of people would say that you're simply taking a page out of the Donald Trump book.
	Which people would say that?
	Well, I'm sure a great many Canadians, but...
	Like who?
	I don't know who, but... Well, you're the one who asked the question, so you must know somebody.
	Okay.
	I'm sure there's some out there, but anyways, the point of this question is, I mean, why should Canadians trust you with their vote, given You know, not just the sort of ideological inclination in terms of taking the page of Donald Trump's book, but also... What are you talking about?
	What page?
	What page?
	Can you give me a page?
	Give me the page.
	You keep saying that.
	In terms of turning things quite dramatically in terms of Trudeau and the left wing and all of this, I mean, you make quite a, you know, it's quite a play that you make on it.
	So I'm just wondering... I'm not sure.
	I don't know what your question is.
	Okay, then forget that.
	Why should Canadians trust you with their vote?
	Common sense.
	Common sense for a change.
	We're going to make common sense common in this country.
	We don't have any common sense in the current government.
	As somebody dialed 911, I want to report a murder.
	That reporter, or at least his career, is dead.
	That was Pierre Polievre.
	For those of you who are listening and not watching, through the whole thing, they're standing in an orchard and the Conservative leader is just munching on an apple.
	Eric, do you think next time I go on CNN, if they ever invite me back, I should just be eating an apple?
	What do you think?
	I never thought it would turn out this way, but eating an apple while casually dunking on him is such a power move.
	I love it.
	I do like a good crisp apple.
	I think I might have to try that out.
	Okay, so we need to get him on the show.
	Let's work on that, Jeff.
	So, you said something that we should probably discuss for the whole next hour you're on the show, last night over dinner, and it has to do with The inability of the left.
	I was discussing my debate with Destiny that'll be out in a few weeks time.
	This hardcore representative of the left.
	An individual who's famous for Twitch streaming and commenting on computer games is now a political debate.
	I don't know why.
	But you said something about the inability of left-wing individuals To admit that their values are in fact traditional and conservative because they don't believe the lifestyle is possible.
	You can't have an intact family.
	You can't be happy.
	Can you unpack this?
	Because I thought it was a very powerful analysis.
	Yeah, I have a lot of friends that are on the traditional left, a lot of friends that were right-wing and have become left-wing.
	That's not talked about very often, but they do exist.
	And the one theme I tend to see is they actually do really love and appreciate the idea of the nuclear family.
	I've never met a girl that would do OnlyFans or a man that would, you know, Leave behind the idea of having kids that didn't want them first.
	Every single young person I talk to that has gone down these more progressive paths has done so because they do not believe the values and ideals that conservatives are promoting are possible.
	They think it's all a facade, they think it's all a lie, or that it is no longer available to them because of the things they've done or the life they've lived.
	So either the conservatives are lying about it, it's not possible, or because of their own personal life choices they just think, it's never going to work out for me.
	Right.
	So I think a lot of the traditional left that exists today, and the increasing leftism and progressivism we're seeing, is a lot of young people that came out of broken families, and they grew up in a home where their parents probably put on the nice face, smiling at the dinner parties, and then came home and were fighting and got divorced when they were 13, 14.
	Every family has to be like that.
	Smiling on the front and then broken below.
	Precisely.
	And then they go on the internet and they get on these Reddit forums, everything.
	Oh, the conservative life is a lie.
	Actually, the only thing that you can achieve in life is your own personal happiness.
	These things of duty, honor, all of it is a facade that is put up for the purpose of deep you know narcissistic selfish reasons and i think this
	is why you get progressives and leftists that are so obsessed with
	exposing all there's a gay republican politician all there's a you
	know a fraud of a family that were faking it
	now with the right wingers that reinforces their belief that it's all
	of it's not all inherently impossible and it also comforts them in the idea
	that because uh... you know every every young girl i meet that
	is has has given up on traditionalism
	She looks at me and she's like, you think I don't want three kids to be baking sour bread and have a husband off working that loves me?
	That's not real.
	I'm a feminist.
	I don't believe in that, right?
	That's not real.
	That's a dream, a fantasy.
	Disney lied to us.
	Why do you think every movie we watch right now, the Barbie movie, all the remakes, are mocking the idea of this fantasy that Disney movies sold young people?
	Young people are angry.
	They feel lied to.
	They wanted this life.
	They wanted these healthy relationships.
	And now they feel like it was all a lie.
	I think conservatives need to do a better job of explaining it is possible, it's just complicated and difficult.
	And no, it doesn't always work out.
	But there is healing that can come from that.
	Now, sorry, I just need to move to the right-wingers that I've seen leave the right and go towards the left.
	They tend to be people like, I'm divorced.
	And I had this temptation to move left-wing and progressive because I was like, I failed.
	I failed at the goal that conservatives have, and now what's left for me?
	That was a lie.
	That is my temptation, mentally, and it took me a long time to psychologically work myself out of that space to be like, life is complicated.
	Conservatism offers a stable foundation to build life on, but things can still go wrong, and this doesn't discount every single marriage in the world.
	Right, just because I may have had a marriage that failed, doesn't mean all marriages fail.
	Yes.
	It's a very comforting idea to tell yourself that, no, it was inevitable.
	Right, because the institution is the problem.
	Yes, the institution itself is the problem.
	The ideology is the problem.
	It was everyone else's fault but my own.
	That's a very easy thing to tell oneself.
	And so I've had a lot of friends that have had, maybe they've gotten involved in the porn industry.
	Maybe they've gotten really into drugs or something.
	Because young people have all grown up in an increasingly modern progressive world.
	So almost the majority of them... It's the norm.
	It's the norm.
	They're surrounded by it.
	And they look at some of the conservatives or alleged right-wingers online that will name call or say they're unforgivable.
	And they look at the left and they're like, bit of a freak show there, but at least they're going to give me acceptance.
	I watch this thing, what is it?
	The whatever thing?
	Whatever podcast.
	Whatever podcast, which is meant to be about dating.
	Yeah.
	And there's one guy, I want to get him on the show.
	Eric, what's the name of the bearded guy who comes on?
	Andrew Wilson?
	Is that the name?
	Yes.
	He's like a guest.
	And he is like, oh, you did OnlyFans?
	Nobody's ever gonna marry you.
	You are unmarriageable.
	It's like, So what, like you're riding off people and they're just detritus?
	It's not exactly a compassionate Christian attitude, and I think he does call himself a Christian.
	Let me just tease you out on one issue here.
	Because I found your analysis incredibly powerful, that these loud, influential leftists attack conservatism because of their own inability to think it's possible.
	They want it, but they don't think it's possible.
	And you said our response has to be to communicate that reality better.
	It may be complicated, but it can be possible.
	What would that look like?
	If conservatives understood your analysis, what should they start doing to try and bring these people over to a place where they say, okay, might be hard, but it's possible.
	What kind of things should we be doing?
	I think you're bringing up the whatever podcast there was a great point because it's exactly the majority of young people are going to have had sex before marriage that is just because they grew up in the modern world they didn't grow up in Christian families they didn't grow up in conservative families so when you tell those people no one is going to love you It's hopeless for you.
	You've done OnlyFans.
	There's no coming back from that.
	There is zero chance any of these people will turn to conservative ideas, even ideas on gun control issues or immigration.
	They will discount the whole thing because they'll just see it all as connected to something that is going to make them feel worthless.
	The only way to move forward is true Christ-like behavior, true promotion of you can be forgiven. You can forgive yourself.
	You can move forward in a healthier way.
	And you know, life is complicated. You're going to mess up.
	People are going to mess up. That's okay. That's fine. As long as you're trying to make moves
	to improve yourself. Why?
	Who am I to be God and judge you as less than?
	And if conservatives took that position more and were more honest about the own complications in their life, because I know many conservatives that are mortified of talking about the failures in their own marriages, mortified of talking about the, you know, things they partook in in the past.
	And I feel if so many more came out and were like, yeah, you know, I've messed up or I'm struggling with alcoholism right now.
	I'm struggling with a, you know, failed marriage right now that I don't want to talk about publicly.
	If conservatives were just I'm just honest more about that complexity, and if we got rid of this extraordinarily clickbait-based judgmental faction that isn't actually Christian whatsoever, that doesn't actually care about conservatism but cares more about judging others and using it as something to lambast people they see as worthless, has nothing to do with healing the country, has nothing to do with improving the country, and everything to do with aggrandiating themselves is better than others.
	So ignoring podcasts like whatever, ignoring these Ridiculous people and starting to, you know, have more human conversations.
	Conservatism is based in reality.
	Right.
	So it's human.
	It's for humans, not robots.
	All right, Eric, think of a name for the Anti-Whatever podcast, all right?
	That's your job.
	You've got till tomorrow to come up with a name for the Anti-Whatever podcast that could be co-hosted by Lauren Southern and maybe Dr. G. We haven't even mentioned your books.
	Let's put them up on the screen.
	We have the ABCs of Morality, co-authored with George Alexopoulos, and also we have Henry The Sheepdog and the Wolf of Mossville by Lauren Southern.
	Her website, LaurenSouthern.net.
	Follow her right now, Lauren underscore Southern, author and filmmaker.
	We discussed so much last night over dinner.
	Culture.
	We just don't get it, conservatives.
	Talk to us about, does anybody impress you out there who gets it?
	Is there somebody doing something good?
	Or if not, where do we need to start?
	Because nobody reads anymore.
	Writing books is like, I'm gonna write one more book and I think just pack it in.
	I'm my fourth and I think I'll be done for the time being.
	But what, where do we start, Lauren?
	I think the best thing that the left does when it comes to infiltrating culture is they aren't explicitly political, and that's why it does so well.
	When right-wingers try to make art that's right-wing, even you look at my books there, I have to admit, the ABCs of morality, like, there's a bit, there's P is for Patriot, right?
	There's still a bit on the nose.
	And when you're trying to talk to a populist who do not want to be constantly bombarded with politics 24-7, they want good stories that are just going to soothe them and bring them out of the world of complication and into something new.
	The stories that we could tell, there are so many stories about People who suffered under communism that we could make beautiful movies about none of which has to be explicitly This is a right-wing movie.
	This is right-wing art, but That would also mean doing the long walk through the institutions for the right I'm sure you've heard Saul Alinsky's rule for radicals the left took it very seriously when they said we are going to get into the university Well, they did it for 80 years Exactly.
	We're going to get into Hollywood.
	What that takes is a lot of patience.
	A lot of people want to just open up, and I know this well myself, open up your phone and say, I've had enough of these immigrants!
	I've had enough of this and that!
	Free speech!
	And, you know, it's important for people to do that.
	It's important for people to do that role, but it's also very important for some people to go through the universities, to go through Hollywood.
	Befriend these people.
	Become a part of that world.
	Of course, protect yourself from the craziness of it, but You have to have patience.
	You look at the people that got in the Supreme Court and overturned Roe v. Wade.
	They certainly weren't getting themselves kicked out of university classes the way I was.
	They understood that there was a little bit of patience and wisdom that it was going to take to get to the point that they wanted to get to.
	We had different goals and different roles in this political process, but that's the same with the arts as well.
	You have to learn to work with liberals.
	What?
	What?
	What? What?
	You have to learn to talk to them, you have to learn to understand them, you have to learn how to convince them.
	Because believe it or not, the only way we're going to change the world is by convincing other people of our ideas.
	And we can't do that if we don't understand how they think.
	What an outrageous thought.
	Follow this lady, Lauren underscore Southern.
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	And of course, as she said, you know, you've got to understand liberals.
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