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I'm Sebastian Gorka, and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
Thank you, Seb.
And thank you, everybody.
Great to be with you here on this Tuesday, the seventh day of May 2024.
I am Mark Davis, happy morning host of 660 AM The Answer.
And as I always say, there's no better prep for being in here for Dr. Gorka than to do my own show this morning.
And boy, did I. And we talked about a lot of things, and some of them have Marinated somewhat a little further.
We talked in advance about what would be happening in the Trump trial today and Stormy Daniels has been on the stand.
It is hard to know what to say about that.
And it's not hard to know what to say.
It's hard to know how much time to spend.
Because this entire Trump trial is such a joke.
It is such a show trial.
It is such political theater.
Its intent is so clear that there are one of two ways to go.
To examine it, all of its minutia, all of its angles, its nuts, its bolts, its ins, its outs, in order to point out just what a fool's errand it is.
Or to just kind of ignore it, which is what it seems to deserve.
Maybe that's one of the things I'll ask you.
I've got a number of things to ask you.
We have wonderful guests in the lineup today.
We're going to have Sarah Carter on today, Jim Hansen, Steve Moore, Todd Bensman talking about things from the economy to the border and everything in between and beyond.
So looking forward to talking to you as well.
In this first hour, I've got a bunch of things pent up in my head just in the four hours since I've been off the air from my radio show.
That's how fast That's how fast-moving the events are.
So let me give you the phone number.
You know it.
And we'll load things up.
And Jeff and Alex and Eric and everybody are ready to go back at headquarters.
1-833-33-GORKA.
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Gorka 1833 33 Gorka. You know It is not to be missed.
Our local sort of bee, is Chris de Gaulle the Mark Davis of Philadelphia, or am I the Chris de Gaulle of Dallas-Fort Worth?
I don't know.
He's the local answer guy there, and Seb...
In his generosity, we'll deploy to various markets where the stations obviously carry him in the afternoon and do a cigar event.
We did one right here in DFW a couple of months ago.
It was just a joy, obviously a joy to have Seb in town and talk about a number of things.
And it's always a joy to be here on the program that he has established here for just These most important of times.
So again, let me troll for a couple of topics here with you at 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-G-O-R-K-A.
And as we examine the Trump trial, you and I know that it's a joke, and yet you and I also know he's probably going to get convicted.
And I say probably because there are people who say he's absolutely going to be convicted.
It's New York.
It's Judge Marshawn.
How can he not?
It's this jury.
How in the world can he not get convicted?
And there's really only one avenue that I can see, and that is that weird things sometimes happen.
That all you need is like a one rogue juror or two who's willing to take a look at this and say, this just isn't right.
And I totally believe that there are people on this jury who don't like Trump at all.
I think through what's called the voir dire process, they have managed to get rid of hopefully most of the people who absolutely hate his guts.
I want to thank those jurors.
Who, at the beginning of jury selection, they were asked, can you treat Trump fairly if you were sitting on a jury?
And they said, nope.
Hate him with the fire of the depths of hell.
Okay, thank you.
Next, I actually want to show them some grace at at least not trying to get on the jury and achieve sort of an O.J.
style perversion of justice in order to make some larger point.
It looks like a conviction lies ahead.
It is not one that would involve jail time.
People don't go to jail for this.
People usually aren't even tried for stuff like this, especially when there is no crime.
But if he is a Literally convicted felon.
What does that do to November?
I've long defined political damage.
What is political damage?
If you take a look at something that happened to somebody in the news and it says, boy, that's really damaging.
Is it?
Here's what I mean.
Political damage happens when people who love you don't love you anymore.
Benghazi never hurt Hillary because we were the only people who cared about it.
The emails dinged her somewhat because even the occasional Democrat thinks that national security matters should be handled with some level of care.
This particular trial, this particular conviction, if it happens, sure, are there people in the mushy middle Who don't really care if Trump wins or if Biden wins.
And what does a human being look like or sound like who is ambivalent?
Trump, Biden, it's a coin flip.
I would call us today and I would love to lovingly put you under the microscope.
I know the undecided voter. Well, it's just somebody who's still
and I'm not talking about the squishes who are still hanging around behind Nikki Haley's
coattails or the people who are having some weird flirtation with RFK Jr.
Those are all driven by other things. Trump derangement syndrome or just whatever. I don't
know. But I mean, people who literally if Trump wins or Biden wins, they're kind of, you know,
50-50 either way.
What in the world is that?
I know that those people, however, do exist.
And is it possible that some of them, all other things being equal, might go, ugh, convicted felon, ugh, that's too much of a bridge to cross, too much of a burden to bear?
Maybe.
But take that number of people, however many people that is, and I don't think it's that many.
Won't they be supplanted by MAGA voters walking through fire and crawling on broken glass to get to the polls to say not just no but blank no to the system that tried to take the second Trump term away from us?
We will meet them on that battlefield.
We will be there to outnumber their squishiness, outnumber their faint hearts, outnumber their weak spines.
So, if you put that all together, it makes it sound like I am, if optimistic is the word, guilty as charged.
As my buddy Mike Gallagher likes to say, I like our chances.
The issues are absolutely headed our way.
The economy, clearly headed Trump's way.
Borders, clearly headed Trump's way.
Basic sanity.
Clearly headed Trump's way.
And for things like that, I mean, crime should be punished.
How many genders are there?
You know, stuff like that.
All of those are going our way.
And in fact, there are some things that are decidedly not going Joe Biden's way, including a visit he made to deliver an address today.
I'll get to the excerpt from this in the next segment.
Biden is painted into such a treacherous corner.
I just can't get past the two groups of competing students at the University of Alabama.
Some of them draped in American flags.
Some of them draped in Palestinian flags.
And they say he can't bring people together.
They say there's no common ground.
There was down there at the University of Alabama where both groups of students were chanting F Joe Biden.
Gotta tell ya.
Kinda tugs at the heartstrings.
But unless you can't have fun with that for 30 seconds.
But it is indicative.
And they're all these young voters.
So don't inform James Carville of this.
He may finally bust a vein.
But he's painted himself into such a treacherous corner because he hasn't figured out who he... well, the people who are actually running the country, whoever they are.
They've not figured out what they want to do.
Do they really want to support Israel?
Well, they haven't done it.
Do they really want to come out as genuinely pro-Hamas?
Well, they really don't want to do that, even though that's what they seem like now.
Even though that's what they seem like now.
So Biden is attempting to come out strongly, if that's even an adverb in this administration, against anti-Semitism. It's not working. And a number of
things are working for President Trump, including, and I think I put my toe in the pool of this
last time we were together, President Trump, with all of the things that might make a
lot of people go, wow, that's a heavy lift, or wow, what about the felony conviction, or wow, what
about this, or what about that?
He is the normalcy candidate. A vote for Trump is a vote for normalcy.
It's normal to have borders.
It's normal to have crime punished.
It's normal to know how many genders there are.
He is the normalcy candidate.
All right.
Just another normal day here on America First with Dr. Gorka.
Mark Davis filling in.
Some of your calls coming up, some excerpts of Biden coming up, and even people I do support.
all on America First. Stick around.
I'll see you next time.
Bye.
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It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, but not today.
Dr. Gorka is back tomorrow.
I am here today and grateful to be because we had a great lineup of people to talk about.
Jim Hansen is here, chief editor of Mideast Forum, and we want to say hi to Jim.
Such a great... I love whenever I hear you on this or other shows.
It's great.
And then I get to come in here and talk to you.
I really appreciate you.
So help me.
Let's start at the good bombing analogy, the 30,000 foot level.
And let's take a look at what does it mean that in these last couple of days as Israel moves on Rafa, that it looks like, whether Joe Biden or Antony Blinken like it or not, that Israel is actually going to try to win the war.
Yeah, who knew?
I didn't know they were allowed to do that.
And sadly, one of the problems that Israel has had is they didn't know they were allowed to do that either.
And they have caved to international pressure too many times since 1967 and never stopped to finish the job.
So if you leave a terror enclave on your border and you allow them to fester, they will occasionally do what terrorists do and kill your people.
So I think they might have finally seen the light.
They might have come to the Israel victory side of things.
And hopefully, you know, against the pressure of the Biden administration and others, Netanyahu and the War Cabinet seem convinced they need to finish this one in good form.
What do we suppose?
We can't read minds or channel people, but we do know the kind of personalities that we have in play.
What do we think's been happening on the phone lines or any kind of direct communication between the Biden administration and the Netanyahu cabinet as The nation of Israel has always said we need to win this war.
We know the optics are tricky, especially in a world that seems to be leaning in the direction of Hamas, seems to have forgotten how messy war can be, and a Biden administration that cannot fully support Israel because the suburban Detroit voters won't allow them to.
Yeah, I think the pressure has come from Biden as the false narrative that there's a genocide going on in Gaza has become the conventional wisdom.
And I think you've got to give the propagandists, you know, the regime media and all the rest of these people credit.
Because they took what is a fairly standard urban combat ratio of civilians killed to enemy combatants killed by Israel, actually better than average, better than we did in Iraq in urban combat, and turned that into one of the worst genocides since the Holocaust.
So, I think they won that narrative war, and now the Biden administration, as they do, is caving to political pressure, which is what runs their foreign policy.
They have no strategy.
What they have is a finger waving in the breeze, trying to figure out which way the political winds are blowing.
And this time, they're blowing in Hamas' favor.
Do we think that—and again, mind reading off the table, but again, we do know the cast of characters that we're involved with—do we think that the Biden administration would like very much to do what Democrats used to do, and that is express a full-throated support of Israel?
But is it really this shallow?
Because it's kind of depressing to think that modern political expediency You know, I think there's a little of both.
or the voters of Dearborn, Michigan, are somehow restraining them from doing
what they know to be morally right?
Or do you think this is kind of peeling away the layers of the anti-Semitic onion
and we're just sort of seeing them for what they are?
You know, I think there's a little of both.
I think there is an idea that, okay, if terrorists attack your country,
you have a right to defend yourself.
But in the Biden administration, that again is tempered by
until we get too much crap about it in the media.
And then, oh, we'll have to back off because we need those people to say we're doing good things or Biden's not going to get reelected, which I don't think he's going to, but among other reasons.
And then you have the, like you said, I think there is an anti-Semitic and a revolutionary onion being peeled here right in front of us, as we see kind of that red-green axis combining, where the cause of the day may be, you know, pro-Hamas, anti-Israel, but it's run by a bunch of people whose real mission is a revolutionary destruction of Western civilization.
So I thank them for ripping those masks off and telling us who they really are.
But I think this is going to play badly for them because they're revealing too much.
As chief editor of something called the Middle East Forum, let's ask a couple of broad Middle East questions.
What do you think... Let's sort of go country by country.
What are the Saudis thinking as they... I'm just a guy who says you can't read minds.
Let's try anyway.
What are the Saudis thinking as they see Israel say, we're about to win this war against Hamas?
We were very close.
One of the reasons that Iran, to throw another wild card into this, launched this entire, you know, crusade across the Middle East was because the Saudis and Israel were getting dangerously close in their minds to a recognition deal.
Where, as the Abraham Accords happened during the Trump administration, some very important peace treaties were signed.
If the Saudis recognize Israel and normalized relations, that's horrible for everyone else in the region who has been relying on the Palestinians as a thorn in Israel's side and a way to kind of jerk us around.
So, the Saudis are really nervous at this point that the Palestinians were somehow going to cause them to have to back their play, and they don't want to do that.
The Saudis could care less about the Palestinians.
What they want is a path to modernization that gets them out of the oil business and helps them survive the fact that once they're done pumping that out of the ground, they need something else to rely on.
Do the Iranians care that much about the Palestinians, or do they just enjoy when things are made difficult for us, and of course for Israel?
Yeah, the Palestinians are nothing but a collection of pawns and sub-pawns to Iran.
But if you get right down to it, Iran is the actual problem and they caused all of this.
They are the ones who gave the Hamas the green light, gave them the funding, you know, overall the support to be able to do what they did on October 7th.
Then they launched Hezbollah, somewhat.
You know, Hezbollah didn't want all their toys destroyed like Hamas was getting.
But then they told the militias in Iraq and Syria that it was okay for them to go, and they launched the Houthis.
Every one of those groups are Iranian proxies controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard
Corps, Iran's terror organization.
And all of them have acted in concert to screw things up for everyone and to try and throw
all of that into chaos.
I think Iran is the one in the long run that we need to get back to everyone looking at
them as the real problem.
And they are.
And there's great I think there's great wisdom in that.
And so let me ask you just a kind of final question about Iran.
I want to be just concerned enough about Iran.
I don't want to be too dismissive because their drone attack was so fairly easily swatted away, but I also don't want to be overly concerned because it looks like in some ways they're a paper tiger.
So define to me what it looks like to be just concerned enough about the Iranian threat.
Yeah, Iran miscalculated badly in launching all of those drones and missiles and getting them swatted down like flies.
That's embarrassing.
And it showed that in some ways their ability to be a legitimate major power in the region is false.
They're a paper tiger, as you mentioned.
But their real ability to cause trouble has always been asymmetric warfare through their proxies.
You know, by using those, they, oh, well, we didn't do that.
That was the Houthis.
We didn't do that.
That was Hezbollah.
Well, no, it's you.
And we know it's you.
And you've been that problem for far too long.
And I think what we did, I helped write a report for the Middle East Forum that said maybe it's time for the Iranian people to say we've had enough of the Islamic Republic and we'd like to join the Community of Nations.
Now, that's not a call for another war.
I don't believe in forever wars, and I don't think we've done well in our recent attempts to impose by military force.
But the people of Iran have been very close to overthrowing that regime a number of times, and I think now we need to give them the support vocally, economically, and diplomatically they need to do that.
Spectacular.
Jim, great to have you.
Jim Hansen, DC, on the old ex-Twitter, chief editor of Middle East Forum.
Thank you so much for your wisdom.
So let's let Jim's words settle into our brains and then come back out.
We'll see what it sounds like and then a head-snapping change of tone.
We'll see what it looks like when Biden tries to look like he's against anti-Semitism.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
I'll be right back.
Thanks for watching.
Bye.
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It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Mark Davis filling in.
So they're on the heels of talking to Jim Hansen with an eye toward some level of wisdom and talking with him about the corner that the Biden administration has painted itself into.
Today was the day, and the combined optics of this are just so clumsy for the Biden White House, and it is their own fault.
It is a fault of whoever actually is running the country, because I don't believe that he is.
So, you have October 7th happen, and for what seemed like about 15 minutes, this administration did the right thing.
Even knowing that the majority of Jewish Americans vote Democrat, and boy, I might have a thing or two to say about that today.
What in the world are y'all thinking?
Uh, that the Biden White House and even Antony Blinken said, look, we are absolutely irrevocably behind Israel.
Then they realized, wait a minute, whoa, what are we doing?
Uh, there is a, a vicious current of antisemitism rolling through the college age students who we need.
There is a heavy Arab and Muslim population in some suburban Michigan towns that we need in a state that we need.
So that's how you get the Biden administration sending Antony Blinken out like every three days to tell Israel, can you hold off on winning that war thing?
Because we don't know how well that's going to work.
So what we have today on the ground and in the air is Israel saying, you know what?
Love you, but we got a war to win and they're doing it.
So let's take a look at Joe Biden.
today, taking the occasion after taking forever to get to the point where he actually called out
anti-Semitism in any form. He still hasn't said, hey, you college students, many of whom are going
to vote for me, I'm telling you, lose the Jew hating. He hasn't said that he never will,
but cut 10 contains things he did say. Let's watch.
That hatred was brought to life on October 7th in 2023 on a sacred Jewish holiday.
The terrorist group Hamas unleashed the deadliest day of the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
Driven by ancient desire to wipe out the Jewish people off the face of the earth, over 1,200 innocent people, babies, parents, grandparents, slaughtered in their kibbutz, massacred at a music festival, Brutally raped, mutilated, and sexually assaulted.
Thousands more carrying wounds, bullets and shrapnel from the memory of that terrible day they endured.
Hundreds taken hostage, including survivors of the Shoah.
Now, here we are.
Not 75 years later, but just seven and a half months later.
People are already forgetting.
They're already forgetting that Hamas unleashed this terror.
Well, he of course is technically correct about that.
And there are those who will say, give him credit for at least speaking ill of Hamas.
Okay, you know what?
I want to be gracious.
I will do that.
But here in our own country, where he is supposedly the president, What we have needed for weeks and weeks and weeks is for our president to take to the airwaves and come at all of us looking at us through TV, as I'm looking at you right now on the Salem News Channel, if that's what you're watching, and say, I know that we live in a divided country.
And I know that there are divisions over the issue of the global land claims in the Middle East of the Israelis and the Palestinians.
And that's something as president that I oversee and pay attention to because it's the cause of great tension.
But let me talk about the tension we have in our own country right now.
All of us as Americans are entitled to feel however we wish on the Israeli side or the Palestinian side.
We are entitled to protest.
Protest is endemic and systemic to the birth and to the entire history of our nation.
We will always have free speech.
We will always embrace the right to protest.
But when those protests involve the mockery of and violence toward Jewish students, when hooligans and thugs seek to destroy and disrupt graduation ceremonies, that is one of those rare things that should bring all Americans together.
And so I call for all Americans to come together and, shall we say, just say don't.
Don't.
Don't disrupt the graduations.
Don't block the Jewish kid from getting to chemistry class.
Don't send your kids to universities that espouse this kind of nonsense.
Now, what I've just done there, and it wasn't hard for me to do, barely broke a sweat, was bring some level of moral clarity in a kind of a way that all good people used to be able to agree upon.
But we don't have that now.
We can't have those nice things because Biden is president and he lives in the thrall of a pro-Hamas Democrat party.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
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Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
Welcome.
Phone calls 833-33-GORKA.
833-33-GORKA.
We're headed there in just a second.
As counterpoint to having just seen Joe Biden struggle through an attempt crafted by a speechwriter to seem like he's distancing from anti-Semitism, let's go to a gentleman who, I tell you, who I like so very, very much that we might just have to We all have our own choices to make.
I've got sort of a fearsome foursome of vice presidential potentials for Trump, and obviously everybody can go wherever they want on this.
Nikki Haley, no.
RFK Jr., no.
Tulsi Gabbard, no.
The point here being that the Trump running mate must, must, must excite conservatives.
That is why I like Senator J.D.
Vance of Ohio.
I like Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the governor of Arkansas.
I like Byron Donalds, congressman of Florida.
And speaking of Floridians, now that President Trump and Ron DeS- I don't think we're going to be hearing Ron DeSanctimodious anymore.
I think they've made nice and maybe we can feel good about that.
I don't know if that would happen.
But Tom Cotton, take a look at Tom Cotton and see if there's not such wisdom in this that you start to think about a possible Trump Cotton 24 bumper sticker.
Go.
If these reports are true about Joe Biden withholding ammunition from Israel, it may be the worst blunder yet of his administration around the world.
Maybe worse than the withdrawal from Afghanistan, because it does exactly send that signal to Hamas that they do not need to surrender.
They do not need to release the hostages.
They can count on Joe Biden to force Israel to capitulate, as opposed to backing Israel to the hilt from the very beginning.
If Joe Biden had done that, this war probably would already be over.
He's just great all the time.
Hey, I don't know.
And what a rich field of bench strength, of talent that we have.
And it's kind of funny, in mentioning J.D.
Vance, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and Byron Donalds, what have I offered you?
A white guy, a woman, and a black guy.
Wow, that's diversity.
And the point, the reason I make that, because I don't care, as I always say, about the pigment or the plumbing.
I don't care what sex anybody is.
I don't care what race anybody is.
The reason I think Governor Sanders is great is because she's great!
The reason I think Congressman Donald is great, and I would think Ben Carson would be great too, but I don't know if we need two septuagenarians.
Just saying.
There may be something generational working there.
The people I like, if they happen to be black, or happen to be female, or happen to be whatever race, it's because they are deserving first.
And if there is an attendant benefit to, hey, female running mate, or hey, black running mate, great!
I don't know how much benefit there is in that, quite honestly.
Are a bunch of women who don't like Trump all of a sudden going to go, ooh, Sarah Huckabee Sanders?
Are a bunch of black voters going to go, ooh, Byron Donalds?
I don't think a lot of black folks like Byron Donalds, because most black folks vote Democrat.
But the reason that some black voters are coming across to Trump and Hispanic voters and even suburban moms who supposedly hate him is because they see that Biden is crazy.
And as I said last hour, that the Trump vote is the vote for normalcy in crime and punishment, normalcy in the Middle East, normalcy in terms of gender, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
All right, to the phones, to the phones.
833-33-GORKA.
Judy in Brooklyn, welcome.
Mark Davison for Seb, how are you on this Tuesday?
Hi, thank you.
Mr. Davis, I want to tell you something. I was listening to the person you spoke to before,
and I have to tell you, captured Hamas October 7 terrorists, they're the ones that said that
they trained in Iran, and they trained this whole thing for two years, okay? And it wasn't
just Hamas. And I want to also add, I want to tell you something.
You know, I would love to have a debate about genocide, okay, and put forth facts, not fiction, that would prove the radical Islamists like PLO, Hamas, they have continuously committed genocide, you know, it's not the Israelis.
They've been attacking civilians from I don't know when, okay, with their bus bombings and all this crap.
They started wars, 19 years, Hamas.
Talk about practicing apartheid.
That's Gaza with Hamas.
Exactly.
19 years of attacking with rockets.
And Israel, they have like 12% of Arab politicians in their parliament, which not one Jewish person is in the Arab place.
So let me just say, Biden, you know, he wants to reward these Gazan terrorists because really they're brought up to hate.
They're brought up to, listen to that, since the age of two or seven, whatever.
And they put these babies in microwave ovens, they butchered body parts, and Biden wants to bring them here?
Don't even get me started on the notion of, hey, if there's any kind of refugees that we don't need to bring here, and I don't want to be geographic, I don't play geographic favorites, or can you top this with tragedies, but what could possibly go wrong bringing Gaza refugees here?
Judy, thank you enormously, I appreciate it.
And that's why, and the point she made about genocide, We're at the point where we actually have to remind people what words mean.
I mean, it used to be that, well, I feel this way, I feel that way, and you have a debate between side A and side B. Now we literally have to say, okay, before anybody says anything, just let that stop.
We have to remind people what genocide actually means.
Genocide is, as the roots of the word suggest, the actual desire to kill an entire type of people.
Is that true of the Israelis toward Hamas?
No.
Are the Israelis trying to get rid of all the Arabs?
No!
Are the Israelis trying to get rid of every Arab within their... There are Palestinians in the Israeli parliament!
Now, flip the coin.
Are the Hamas people interested in genocide of the Jews?
I'll just pause here and see if you know the answer to that.
If you don't, you may well be a student at Columbia.
And it just kills me.
These universities stopping the graduations?
Just kills me.
And do the math.
Four years ago, these were kids who got screwed out of their graduations by COVID overreaction.
So they didn't have a high school graduation, and now they're not going to have a college graduation because we have metaphorically and literally let the terrorists win.
Victor Mark Davison for Seb.
How are you, sir?
Welcome to the program.
Well, it's good to hear you again.
I used to listen to you on 980 and DC.
Look at there.
And you had the Mark Davis room at Blackie's House of Beef for those who didn't want the Rush room at the same restaurant.
We were literally up against Rush, a very unenviable place to be, and our shows overlapped a little bit.
How great is it that later on, just a few years later, and coming back to my native Texas, I got the chance to fill in for Rush for four years, and it was just the joy of a lifetime.
We've got about a minute.
It's all yours.
Go!
Okay, there's another group that has had enough of Biden, and that is the blind.
I'm blind, and I had a difficult time during the COVID pandemic.
Nobody would help me read my mail or take me shopping.
I was totally isolated, and now I hear that Chris Cuomo Um, is now recanted everything you said about the jab.
Yeah, and he has a lot of company.
And Victor, God bless you and thank you for the reminiscence and the nostalgia and for the call.
And God bless you and good health to you.
There are a lot of time heals and sometimes time instructs.
And there are two kinds of people, those who are coming around slowly to some wisdom on what was done to us in COVID and those who are not.
To the first group, I just want to say welcome.
Welcome to the real world.
Welcome to America First with Dr. Gorka.
Mark Davis filling in.
Be right back.
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Thank you, Doctor.
Wrapping up this hour and heading into the next where we'll be talking to Sarah Carter, talking to Steve Moore.
Sarah, the tireless, intrepid reporter, and Steve Moore, just a genius on the economy.
But having invoked genius, let's flip the coin and go to the opposite of that, whatever word that would be.
Look, if somebody is Republican and Trump's not their cup of tea, okay.
That's what the primaries are for.
It's what they were for in 2016.
It's what they were for this year.
The people have spoken.
Once again, this premise.
There are two kinds of people.
Those who can handle that Trump is the nominee and those who cannot.
Let's hear from one of those who cannot.
Call this, thank God this guy is not Lieutenant Governor of Georgia anymore.
Here is Jeff Duncan, still ostensibly a Republican, telling us what we should do.
Well, enough's enough.
Donald Trump is not our future.
He's not our present.
And now looking back, he certainly wasn't our past.
Donald Trump's a fake Republican.
He's proven that over and over and over again.
He simply wants the position of president to be powerful.
And he's willing to lie, cheat, and steal for it.
And if we're going to fix this party and go forward, the party that is conservative but not crazy and angry, we've got to do it without Donald Trump.
And I know it makes sense to try to elect a Republican to be the president, but
if we can get past Donald Trump, have a Republican-controlled Congress, we can have a
firewall in place, and then we can take the next four years to fix our party and get a legitimate candidate
forward that can lead us in the right direction. It's hard to fathom that kind of complete
breakdown of logic. The gentleman...
If he comes to me, to you, comes to us on the TV box and says, look, Trump broke me.
I'm not really conservative anymore.
I'm not Republican anymore.
All other things being equal, I hope Biden wins.
Okay.
I'll disagree with that, but at least it'll make sense.
I mean, that's how you feel.
Okay.
Go with that.
But for someone to try to cling, to cleave to some semblance of Republican DNA, And tell me, and tell you, that what we need to do is re-elect Biden in order to do what?
What is the thing?
What's the locomotive pulling his entire train?
So that we can, quote, get past Trump.
Jeff, this just in, even if Trump wins, we will be past him in 2028.
Then we're going to get the Ron DeSantis AOC presidential race.
Wow, did I just say that out loud?
It may be, who knows?
But how are we going to spend the intervening four years?
Will it be with a Trump presidency that you, for some psychological reason, cannot handle?
Or the continuing ruinous policies of Biden for all these people, all these ex-GOP, all these squishes, all these Trump haters, all these folks with the DTS, the TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Went dyslexic for a minute.
All those folks with the TDS.
It's going to be very hard for you moving forward, and I don't want it to be.
So just understand this is a binary choice now.
Go with the part of your conservatism, the part of your brain you still have that knows that Biden is terrible, and realize there's one guy that can battle him, one guy that can beat him, and that's Trump.
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So a couple of things.
As we've examined all the various things that are being talked about, that are being bandied about, There are developments going on in the Trump trial, and I'm sitting here watching with one eye, you know, askance, just sort of what's going on, and some of it is festooned with these courtroom drawings.
If you think that the courtroom artists don't like Trump, they really have it in for Stormy Daniels.
I don't know what they were going to try to make her look like, and I'm not really trying to be flippant, but the bottom line here is it's fed by A little bit of my resentment that I'll gladly share several times an hour, if you want me to, on how insane it is.
First of all, the levels of insanity.
It's insane that this guy's the judge, Judge Murchon.
It's insane that he's on trial at all.
There is no crime.
And once we get, if you just, if you shrug it off and you go, okay, the trial is happening, here's insane thing number three.
How is this not on television?
This is the public's business being done.
This is our business.
Go ahead.
It's true in any courtroom.
What's true in any courtroom?
It's your business and mine being conducted as such.
And I know it took us a while to get there.
You know, in the whole O.J.
era, it's like, oh, all the attorneys are going to do is play to the cameras.
No, they're not.
They play to the jury.
The cameras don't help you win.
The public watching at home isn't what determines your fate.
And so, you know, with OJ recently passed, I had the opportunity to kind of revisit that theory for many of you who aren't even old enough to remember the 90s.
Thank God we had cameras in the OJ jury so you could see how ridiculous that verdict was.
So that we didn't have to rely on reporters chasing down Cato Kaelin on the steps of the courthouse, just like we have to rely on reporters and sketch artists as the Trump defense attorneys are apparently wheedling Stormy Daniels for her financial interest in being hostile toward Trump.
Her very testimony.
Her very presence there.
She is obviously a party to all of this.
The non-disclosure agreement between her and Trump was just that—an agreement between her and Trump.
You get to do this.
Non-disclosure agreements are not illegal.
The methodology by which you pay off those NDAs—and wasn't it yesterday that one of the controllers of the Trump Organization said, yeah, I And it's a disgrace.
But I've identified that as a as a legal expense to Cohen for for Cohen to pay Stormy Daniels
in that fashion.
Didn't that just erode the entire case?
Anyway, next clip.
Here is Trump in court talking about just his view of the courtroom is the campaign
trail Trump on his way in this morning.
And it's a disgrace.
And then you have the other thing that maybe is even more disgraceful is the gag order,
where I can't basically I have to watch every single thing.
I tell you people, I'm not going to watch this.
I tell you people.
You ask me a question, a simple question, I'd like to give it, but I can't talk about it.
Because this judge has given me a gag order and said you'll go to jail if you violate it.
And frankly, you know what?
Our Constitution is much more important than jail.
It's not even close.
I'll do that sacrifice any day.
But what's happening here is a disgrace to the appellate court, so to get involved, Let's spend a moment on what may happen and what probably won't.
First of all, this is a masterstroke of President Trump bowing up to Judge Mershon, who is now... Boy, it's the day of people painting themselves into a corner, isn't it?
The Biden administration painting itself into a corner on Israel because they just don't even know what to do.
If we back Israel, the squad gets mad.
If we don't back Israel at all, we're...
Branded as coddling antisemitism, which they are.
Here's what Judge Mershon has done in this courtroom in New York.
He has said, I guess there were nine supposed infractions of the gag order.
And now I guess there have been two more, so it's like, there's 11.
This is 11.
If we get to 15, I'm really going to have to do something.
He's like the parent with the toddler.
Don't make me tell you to put that toy away.
I've told you six times to put that toy away.
If I have to tell you eight times, there's going to be hell to pay.
This is the fecklessness of Judge Murchon, who must know.
that he has painted himself into that kind of corner.
How?
By attempting to deliver a consequence on a gag order that is constitutionally suspect at its root.
A gag order is usually something that you issue because there is something untoward, there is something deleterious to justice about having everybody in a case mouth off and, you know, part of it gets to the jury and it just gets messy and it lessens the dignity of the proceedings, presuming there's any dignity in the proceedings.
But usually a gag order affects both sides.
It's like, okay, prosecution, defense, both of y'all shut up.
And there might be, and listen, there would be at least some symmetry to that.
There would be at least some fairness to that because it would affect Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels as well as it does Donald Trump.
When it's just Trump, it's proof that this is a prior restraint.
This is unconstitutional.
This is punitive.
This gag order on Trump is because Judge Mershon hates Trump's guts.
So how's that working out for him?
He may yet get the conviction you know he seeks.
But as far as this little chapter about the gag order and how that plays out, here's the corner that he's painted himself into.
If he actually puts Trump in jail, Trump wins 40 states.
And I may not be kidding.
There's a growth.
I've been saying this for months, but there is sort of a growing swell among the commentariat
that if if Mershon actually actually puts Trump in jail, even overnight, there are tons
of people, tons of who will it will it'll be what I call the Jason Whitlock effect.
You know, Jason Whitlock, wonderful guy, podcaster, sports guy, but now sort of sports and culture
guy.
Just Google Jason Whitlock.
He's enormously entertaining, right on perhaps 85 to 90 percent of the things he says, which
is a good batting order or a good batting average.
He was on Tucker.
I guess when all this happened.
I guess when the indictment happened.
And he told Tucker Carlson, this is Jason Whitlock now, he said, Tucker, I'm about 50-50 on Trump.
He's done some things I think are okay.
He's done some things I didn't agree with.
I don't really even know what I think about the guy personally.
But tonight, Tucker, I am hardcore MAGA.
Jason Whitlock talking.
And his point was, that's because this is just wrong.
This is just unbelievably wrong.
And your vote for a candidate usually says, I want this person to be president.
Of course that's the case.
I want this person to be president.
Sometimes your vote for president is, I really don't want that guy to be president.
And listen, I'll take it either way.
I'll take it either way.
If there are people, you know, just paying attention to current events right now, and they don't even really know what they think about Trump, but they know that Biden's a disaster.
Good for you.
I'll give you at least partial credit.
You'll enjoy the next four years.
Thank you for your help very much.
Sometimes your vote for president is a statement about something else.
And that might be the case for this might be a difference maker for Trump in a number of swing states.
There may be people in let's pick a few Arizona, maybe people in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Trump, Biden, eh, they're just eh.
But what's happening to him seems wrong and they are developing an abiding concern that if it can happen to him, and he was president.
It can happen to anybody.
It can happen to you.
It can happen to me.
And guess what?
It can!
Because when these institutions that we have come to trust until that trust was destroyed, school boards, local governments, The medical authorities, so-called medical experts, constitutional lawyers, whatever that even means.
College professors.
Now that all of that trust has just been destroyed, what we're left with is the opportunity to cast a vote.
They can say, look, I may not know what I think about either of these candidates, but what's happening to that one is wrong.
And it's wrong that prosecutors, these persecution prosecutions, have been allowed to go forward.
It's wrong that he's not allowed on the campaign trail.
It's just wrong.
So some voters may say, I don't really know what I think about Trump.
Don't know.
But I'm going to vote as a statement that says it's wrong for this to happen to anybody.
And you know what?
If that's just, I don't know, 40,000 people across three states, we've learned that that can be a difference, haven't we?
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Whether you're watching or listening, we are glad you are here.
And you're really going to be glad you're here because Sarah Carter is here, the intrepid reporter of our times.
Sarah, welcome.
How are you doing, ma'am?
Wow.
Thank you so much for having me on and such a nice intro, Mark.
Thank you.
It is my enormous pleasure.
We're going to do two segments.
I'm going to get greedy.
So let me just ask you, first thing, right about first, just today, Trump trial, Biden trying to convince everybody that he's not coddling anti-Semitism.
Just what's your thought about this week and what leaps out at you as any kind of difference making news story here as we work our way toward the middle of the week?
Well, I think what's so fascinating about President Trump, and you know, I covered the story from way back with John Solomon going back to 2016, when he was first elected, and when the entire apparatus targeted President Trump, the establishment,
in particular, the intelligence community and law enforcement officials like we saw the heads of
the FBI is that they have not stopped going after Trump.
They are terrified of this man.
of this man, they are terrified of him disrupting the establishment and they have used lawfare
They are terrified of him disrupting the establishment, and they have used the lawfare,
and they have weaponized the bureaucracy to target him.
and they have weaponized the bureaucracy to target him.
Even right now, I think one of the big things that jumps out at me this week was
Even right now, I think one of the big things that jumped out at me this week was an op-ed
an op-ed that was written by Jonathan Turley, and I really have a lot of respect for him.
that was written by Jonathan Turley and I really have a lot of respect for him.
And he was talking about Alvin Bragg's case against Trump and the fact that this entire case hinges on,
how did he call him?
A disbarred serial perjurer.
You know, on Michael Cohen.
And just going back into my memory of when I broke this story and the fact that we discovered
that the Steele dossier was just a bunch of lies, that they were going after President Trump,
that our intelligence apparatus had utilized the system to basically run an operation against a sitting US
president and here now, all fast forward, all this way,
they have not stopped trying to find a crime.
So much so that they're using Michael Cohen as former lawyer who was actually just...
a person that was getting back at a friend.
You know, they he had sworn up and down this attorney way back when.
I mean, that Trump's the best that will always stand by his side.
And when President Trump didn't bring him to Washington, D.C., according to a lot of people that I spoke to back then, he
was really hurt and he was going to find a way to get back at him.
And obviously, even making matters worse with the fact that you have this entire apparatus and it's
very difficult to fight.
You know, the federal government has deep purses, and if the federal government decides to go after you, it can take forever.
Because the problem is, very few people have what President Trump has.
One, the money, and two, the tenacity, and the strength to continue to fight back.
Most people give up and what we saw was, you know, the entire apparatus going around,
everybody around Trump and going after Trump himself.
I think what's astonishing is that despite all of these lawsuits from Georgia, you know,
to these charges from Georgia all the way to New York City, even under Alvin Bragg, that President Trump
has been able to stay above the fray on this and continue to fight and that it appears
that his support continues to grow stronger.
And that's kind of what sticks out at me.
I agree with Charlie.
I think that Cohen is going to be more of a problem for Algenberg than anything else.
And, you know, and that and that is that remains to be seen.
It remains to be seen what actually is going to happen.
But one thing is certain.
The people in the United States of America are watching it.
They understand that this is lawfare.
They're seeing it quite clearly.
He's always going to have his detractors.
But President Trump is above the fray right now, and it looks like he's going to take it all the way to the win in 2024.
He is soaring above the fray.
He's not just surviving, he's thriving.
He has turned the courthouse into the campaign trail.
And whether it's a reporter with an obvious noted perspective that you have, or a commentator saying stuff like this every day, Let's bandy a couple of things back and forth and talk about what if, and here you are saying the ways in which this is obvious lawfare, and here I spend every day talking about the ways in which this is obviously a fictitiously based case, there is no crime.
What if he is convicted anyway?
Because Mershon is the judge.
This is a Manhattan jury.
How many people do you run into who say, you know what, you guys are right, but he's going down anyway.
I gotta tell you, that, for me, is the most terrifying prospect.
Why is that?
Because when I travel around the country, and I'm sure you do too, Mark, when you travel around and you talk to people, just everyday average Americans and those that support President Trump, and even some of those who don't, have come up to me and asked me the very same question you asked.
One of the biggest fears is that what will be the reaction of the American people?
How will people react to the candidate for the presidency of the United States being targeted in this lawfare?
You know, what is this other than election interference?
And the fact that you have the majority of the mainstream media just terrified Of really speaking out.
I mean, even look at a lawyer as astute as Jonathan Turley.
You know, laying it out, talking about it all the time, and people that once loved him now hate him.
You know, because they don't want the truth to come out.
Could he be?
Yeah, absolutely.
What is that going to look like?
Well, it's going to look like a huge loss.
For Biden, and for the Democrats, and for the establishment.
Because I do not believe that the American people will put up with that.
How does that work out legally?
I'm not quite sure.
Because in the end, in the end, what we're seeing here is a banana Republican action, right?
I mean, this is like, I'm going to be leaving In the next few weeks for Central America, and I'm actually going to be attending the inauguration of President Bukele.
And when you think of the past, and I've talked to so many people, you know, in the region, whether that's from Mexico all the way through Central America, or even in South America, they'll say now, like, wow, the United States really can't point a finger at anyone else.
And I'll say, well, what do you mean?
And they'll say, because the real banana republic is happening right before our eyes.
They are targeting this man with every arsenal, every weapon they have in their bag, even with lies.
And they don't care how they do it.
And for anyone with a brain and anyone who is being just and true, even if you don't like President Trump, there is no way that you can't look at what is happening right now in this election cycle and say to yourself, that this is being done out of justice and the common way.
This is being done because they are targeting him.
This is election interference.
They do not want President Trump to be the president.
They won't have any choice, I believe, if the American people go in overwhelming numbers
to the ballot box.
And if.
If they put him in jail, I would just get t-shirts made.
You know, because it is going to be his win.
I mean, if they want him to win, if they want a martyr, that's what they're gonna do.
They're gonna put him in jail.
Sarah Carter is here.
Sarah A. Carter.
We're going to do one more segment, talk about a couple other things.
It is Sarah A. Carter.
Sarah A. Carter on the Twitter, on the X, and also at sarahacarter.com and the Sarah Carter Show.
She is here.
She is a font of information and a ball of reporting energy.
So let's tap into some of her wisdom on a couple of other things as well as we enjoy a Tuesday together here on America First with Dr. Gorka.
Mark Davis filling in.
Be right back with you and Sarah comes back with me.
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We're enjoying the company of Sarah Carter and the Twitter handle again is Sarah Carter DC.
Sarah Carter DC.
The Sarah A. Carter is for the website.
I hit the website every day, Sarah, and there's just a massive avalanche of magnificent stories.
Who curates that?
Who's working there?
And what determines what kind of story gets on the enormous and influential Sarah Carter website?
Well, I have a great group of writers and I work with a team very closely that I've been working with now for about 10, I would say about 10 years.
And so there's sometimes what I do is I'll even bring in young college students that eventually go on to get jobs at places like Newsmax or the New York Post or, you know, wherever.
Daily Caller is one of them as well.
I have Logan Raddick, he's with Newsmax, Jenny Thayer.
Now she's with the New York Post and doing a lot of work on the border so I feel very blessed to do that.
I also have my son writing on the website sometimes, Alexander Carter.
He is on the website and he loves doing that.
So I try to involve a lot of younger people in research.
And that's something that I'm very interested in expanding in the future.
You know, bringing people, young people in and giving them the opportunity to, you know,
do their own work, write their own stuff.
And as far as curating, a lot of the stories that are curated by our staff,
those stories are the ones that I think our readers pay most attention to.
Of course, the border, our US-Mexico border being one of them, and then of course, Israel right now,
which is one of the top stories, I think, globally, because it's affecting us on a national level too.
And we're really seeing like so much division inside the United States.
And so much, I think, is exposed in these bizarre, you know, uprisings of these Hamas supporting protest,
you know, protests against Israel with either Hamas or pro-Palestinian supporters,
and the kind of rise of antisemitism in the United States as well,
which is quite shocking to many people.
Well, it is.
And let's take, because having drilled down on sort of the nuts and bolts of the Trump trial story,
let's take our last couple of two, three minutes and just talk about.
A couple of generational things, because there you are at the helm of a large journalistic enterprise of people, you know, half my age, if not younger.
And that gives me hope.
And I think that not every young person in America has had a mind poisoned by this antisemitism and this ridiculousness of the political minefield of higher education.
So what is your thought, because you're going to be doing this, God willing, for decades and decades more, but just the whole notion of, you know, we can't monolithically paint what young people think, but I wonder what your thoughts are about people who want to get into journalism, people who, you know, want to go to college, but good luck with that in view of stepping through that political minefield.
Just your thought, are you optimistic, pessimistic, you know, about the next couple of decades?
Look, I try to look at the glasses half full.
I try to be a happy warrior, right?
I believe you have to be.
There has to be hope.
I love this nation.
I love our country.
I believe very much that we need that First Amendment, that we have the right to speak and to speak up and to have knowledge of But what we've seen is kind of this bizarre 1984 where we have, you know, social media giants, basically, and we saw that all throughout and after the Trump, you know, Trump was elected and then and then on to the 2020 election, we saw
You know, the stifling of censorship across the board and the fear of people to speak up and speak out.
I think that's shifting.
I think a pendulum swing is going in the other direction eventually.
But look, a lot of what we're seeing, this rise of anti-Semitism, this failure of our universities and colleges to actually teach our children the truth. We have these radical progressive
professors that are sitting in there indoctrinating our college-age students and children.
And we're also seeing that from elementary school through high school. And it's up to
parents and it's up to communities to expose these rotten apples in our system and to expose
them, put light on them.
It's the greatest disinfectant.
And then remove our children from these institutions if they don't change.
And it's not going to be easy.
It's going to be hard.
And guess what?
Sometimes speaking up is going to be hard.
But God help us.
We don't want to be 1930s Germany, right?
We don't want to be in a situation where we're living in the science fiction books that appear to be reality like 1984.
We don't want to hand over Our principles and our Constitution to these radical leftists that have basically taken over our bureaucracies and our most important institutions.
Shed light on them, expose them and bring it home, bring it back and make it even better.
And we can do that together if we believe in ourselves enough and believe in our nation enough.
Shedding light on such things every day.
The great Sarah Carter.
What a joy.
SarahACarter.com.
Sarah Carter DC on Twitter.
Keep it up, ma'am.
Look forward to hearing from you and talking to you, I hope, in the future.
The great Sarah Carter.
All right, let's go from a woman I love to a guy I love.
It's just going to be an opportunity to talk economy with Steve Moore.
Music.
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How many respectable, wonderful people can we jam onto one show?
Steve Moore is here to talk some economy.
Steve, how many shows can I welcome you on?
I've had you on my own show in a number of cities locally and a number of Salem shows.
Welcome back.
How you doing, sir?
I'm good to see you, and I see you in person.
I'm on the radio with you all the time, all over the country, so great to be with you, Mark.
Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, this is just one of the many, many things Stephen Moore has done, and he has brought wisdom and clarity at every turn.
So how can we direct that toward an economy that we, not just anecdotally, but in a very tactile fashion, we touch the economy every time that we're trying to get financing for a car, trying to buy groceries, or trying to buy a house.
You know, Mark, I think you and I are both old enough to remember.
saying, hey, it's getting better since COVID.
It's not as bad as everybody says.
What's the best way to put our thumb on the pulse of the truth?
You know, Mark, I think you and I are both old enough to remember.
Are you old enough to remember Jimmy Carter?
I graduated from college in 79, you bet.
Okay, you're a little, I just turned 64.
So I remember, I kind of came of age when Jimmy Carter was president.
I remember it just felt like everything was falling apart in the country.
High inflation, static inflation, no growth, gasoline lines, a president who was just a downer in every way.
And of course, Ronald Reagan won a 41-state landslide against an incumbent president.
It just feels like Joe Biden's presidency has been Jimmy Carter Redux, with high inflation, high grocery prices, gas prices as high as we have ever seen since Jimmy Carter was in office, you know, a border out of control, crime in our cities.
And so I think Americans are just screaming out for change right now.
And you see what's going on on the college campuses, very much like all the protests in the 70s.
I think Americans want a restoration of a secure border, good jobs, You know, I want to see if I can get you to respect your elders with the following observation, because I think of course you're right, and your observation is obviously well-based.
He's not the one to provide that. You know, I want to see if I can get you to respect your
elders with the following observation, because I think of course you're right,
and your observation is obviously well-based. Jimmy Carter was, I think, politically
illiterate, or it was financially illiterate. Didn't really know what he was doing. His was a
sin of omission, lacking the wisdom to guide the economy well, which is what gave us the misery
The Biden team or whoever's running the country, theirs are sins of commission.
Actively doing things that they know are harmful, that they know are wrecking the economy in a craven gambit for political power.
Forcing people into electric cars they don't want.
Paying off people's college loans.
There is actual malice happening now.
Carter looks like Churchill to me sometimes.
You know, it's interesting.
I give talks around the country to all sorts of business groups and conservative groups and women's groups.
And I always ask people, you know, do you think what Joe Biden is doing is intentional?
In other words, do you think he really is trying to burn down the village so we can rebuild it?
And I'd say a lot of people raise their hands and say yes, because how else are we going to explain How else could you explain destroying America's energy?
How else could you explain letting inflation go up to 9% per year?
How could you explain the fact that we debased our currency and that we're running up these massive debts?
I mean, I don't know if this is intentional, but let me put it like this, Mark.
You wanted to destroy the United States of America, you do exactly what Joe Biden is doing.
That is a spectacular point.
And again, the mind reading is the theme of the day.
You don't have to engage in mind reading to know that whether they're doing it intentionally or just doing it because they're inept, it's happening and relief is at hand.
So here comes Trump.
Hold on, Mark.
Can I have one other quick thing?
Because this is really important.
You think this term has been bad?
And pay attention to what he's saying he's going to do if he's got a second term.
He wants to double the capital gains tax.
He wants to raise the corporate tax to be the highest in the world.
By the way, we would have a higher tax on our businesses than China and Russia.
He wants to massively regulate every industry.
I mean, I could go on and on.
Oh, there's $2 trillion he's complaining he didn't get in spending that he wants.
$2 trillion more on top of $6 trillion.
So what I'm telling you, I think the Encore Act, God forbid if we If we get Biden on this 2.0, it's going to be a catastrophe for our country.
Precisely.
And my next question was really the flip side of that, and I'm glad you made that point.
So what are, in our couple of minutes we have left, what are the things that Trump can best do, once his hand comes off the Bible, January 20th, 2025, God willing, what are the things that he proactively should do to dig us out of this hole?
Oh, I've talked about this with him many times.
You know, I'm one of his advisors on the economy with people like Kevin Hassett and Larry Kudlow and a great team of people.
And, you know, he's told me, look, Steve, on day one, when he goes on, that would be, what, January 21st, 2025, he's going to have a stack of paper We're going to make Trump's tax cuts permanent.
We will restore the value of the dollar.
We will restore America's position in the world by showing strength, not weakness.
Can I go on?
I guarantee you we're going to get the border under control.
That will be one of his top priorities.
We're going to make Trump's tax cuts permanent.
We will restore the value of the dollar.
We will restore America's position in the world by showing strength, not weakness.
Can I go on?
I mean, this is just, we're going to reverse almost everything Biden has done.
We're going to produce so much oil and gas and coal in this country.
We're never going to have to get another single drop of oil and gas from Russia or Iran or
Venezuela or any of these countries.
I mean, Trump has the plan.
It is, I mean, it sounds like a cliche, but it is a plan in every way that puts the American
economy, the American worker, and American businesses first.
Less than 60 seconds.
Make the case for the free market person who says that punishing Chinese goods with tariffs makes things more expensive for American consumers.
Well, China's an enemy.
It's an adversary.
You've known me a long time, Mark.
I'm a free trader.
I don't like terrorists, but I do think you have to impose tariffs on countries that are not playing by the rules, that are enemies, that are menaces in the world.
And by the way, Trump uses tariffs very effectively to get other countries to do what we want.
He's told me, I use tariffs as a weapon.
Because he understands that America has leverage over the country.
You know, it's about time, by the way.
It's about time we use our power and leverage to get other countries to do what we want, not things that are adversarial to the American way of life.
Stephen Moore, Senior Fellow, Heritage Foundation.
No matter on what show I welcome him, it's always great.
So whether it's here, filling in, or anywhere else, it's always great to talk to Stephen Moore.
Thanks, sir.
Appreciate it, and continued success to you.
and anything Steve writes, you should read it.
All right, in our final sliver of a segment here in this hour, before we head into the next hour,
where we'll talk some border stuff with Todd Bensman and a number of other things you've been tweeting me
on my Twitter, at Mark Davis, M-A-R-K Davis.
I will give you an update on what's been going on in today's ridiculous day of Stormy Daniels
on the stand of the Trump trial.
Stick around.
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Davis.
Thank you, Seb, and we'll look forward to hearing you upon your return from Philadelphia tomorrow with stories to share, I'm sure.
I'm sharing stories from here in North Texas.
We're on the host of the morning show at 660 AM The Answer, the radio outpost here in the DFW Market for the Salem Media Group, and I show up on the Salem Radio Network and the Salem News Channel to fill in for various folks, and it's always a joy to be here for Dr. Gorka.
So as I mentioned a moment ago, it's been a day of Stormy Daniels testimony, so I'll give you a little bit of tidbit or two of how that has gone.
But first, this may shock you, but on his way out of court, Trump had something to say.
Roll it.
So this was a very big day, a very revealing day.
As you see, their case is totally falling apart.
They have nothing on books and records, and even something that should bear very little relationship to the case.
It's just a disaster for the DA, for the Soros-backed DA.
It's a disaster.
This whole case is just a disaster.
If you read the legal scholars, you'll see, because they're writing about it, they've never seen anything quite like it.
And neither have I. I should be out campaigning right now.
But he is campaigning.
You know it.
I know it.
He knows it.
Now, it's not his favorite thing.
He would like to be, you know, back in Wisconsin, back in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, in Arizona, any place that will have him.
And every state would love to have him.
But he has taken their game, and he is beating them at their own game.
They thought that he would be like a caged animal, shackled in this courtroom.
One of two things would happen.
He would either be such a caged animal that he'd be out of control and mouthing off in horrible incendiary ways.
That has not happened.
Or that he would be docile, submissive, brought to heel at last under the power of the New York State judicial system.
And you know what?
That hasn't happened either.
He has shown up Every day, followed the rules, and told us going into court and coming out of court every day how the rules have been twisted and broken in an attempt to persecute him, in an attempt to destroy him politically, financially, and personally.
And this is just absolutely masterful what we are seeing here.
I've got a lot of running commentary from some of the coverage.
You might have been wondering, What Stormy Daniels had to say in view of that statement she signed denying a 2006 encounter with him.
She said that she did not sign it willingly.
Really?
She testified she received a statement from her lawyer confirmed she signed it but initially didn't want to because it was not true and saying anything at all was a violation of the NDA.
She said she signed it after consulting with Her lawyer.
There was a lot said about the degree to which she hates his guts.
So this is true for her.
It's true for Michael Cohen.
These are not dream witnesses for the prosecution.
These are not dream witnesses.
My dream is to knock out one more hour, talk to some great guests, and talk to you.
833-33-GORKA.
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We'll grab some calls, too.
833-33-GORKA.
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Be right with you.
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you Yeah, but that Voice of Dallas thing, I did that already today.
That's where I'm the morning host at 6.60 a.m.
The Answer, the Salem Media Group conservative radio outpost here in Dallas-Fort Worth.
And then I went out and grabbed a bite and did some homework and saw what was going on with this crazy Trump trial and various other things.
Came back, knocked out on America First with Dr. Gorka.
What a pleasure.
Seb, we'll be back with you tomorrow, but it's a pleasure to be with you today.
So with one hour left, what are we going to do?
We're going to talk international things, some border stuff, and some Israel actually winning the war in Rafah and in Gaza with Todd Bensman.
That'll be coming up here in our very next segment.
But before that and after that, let's do some phone call action.
833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA, which is 833-334-6752.
Folks have been tweeting at me, at Mark Davis on the big Twitter, the X, whatever you call it these days, M-A-R-K Davis.
And a couple of things.
I was talking about my dream VP list, a list that Kristi Noem is decidedly not on anymore.
Of course, she never was on mine.
I've never had anything against Governor Noem, and I still don't really accept just the incredibly Bad ability to read the room when she thought that putting the bullet in the dog's brain story would make everybody just love her and crave her a heartbeat from the presidency?
Yeah, that didn't work.
I'm prepared not to care.
Listen, I'm a dog guy.
But I'm also, in my family and my wife's family, a lot of farming and ranching.
I know that if you've got a dog that's just You know, buck wild crazy, and it's going after people and making it impossible to run your ranch, and it's a hazard to the kids.
You know, you might have to take it out to the train station if you Yellowstone fans know what I'm talking about.
Every once in a while, there's a sliver of dog behavior that warrants this.
The problem with Governor Noem is nobody believes that Cricket deserved this.
And it's just so weird that she went through publishers, even though one publisher apparently said, uh, you might not want to go so heavy on the killing the dog story.
Dude!
Double down!
Let's go!
I killed the dog and everybody's gonna love me for it because it means I do the tough decision.
Sometimes it's hard to do the right thing.
And she thought this would play great.
far more disqualifying than, you know, than executing a dog, you know, 20 years ago, is
what kind of country she thought would love that story.
That's just so weird. And the bottom line here, and she's a talented woman, there's room to get past
this. She's 52. So she's incredibly young, from my perspective, and has a lot of talent. She's right
on a lot of things. And she's great.
I don't want to come down on her too hard at all. But my heavens, this was weird.
And it just got weirder when you get to the thing of whether she did or did not ever talk to Kim Jong-un.
What is the leader of North Dakota, the leader of North Korea doing, craving a conversation with the governor of South Dakota?
What?
And here's the thing.
What's the first rule of holes?
You know it.
First rule of holes.
If you're in one, stop digging.
And she's on, like, every show.
She was on Jesse Watters last night.
She's on with Eric Bolling.
I think I saw her, you know, selling spatulas on the Home Shopping Network at noon today.
She's everywhere.
She's got a book to sell!
I totally get that, too.
And this, too, will pass.
We'll see if she has a political future of some type.
It ain't gonna be as Trump's running mate, and it's probably good that we discovered this weird flaky side of her so that we can take a little while and see if at 52 she still has some maturing to do.
Your thoughts, 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA.
The other thing, and here's a gentleman, and Randy, I'll get to you in Knoxville in just a second because he wanted to know what I thought about a story I was going to bring you at the beginning of this hour.
I live here in North Texas where the Boy Scouts of America are headquartered.
I was a Cub Scout, which was awesome, when you're nine or ten or something, and then you're a WEBOLO, which is some semi-acronym for Will Be Loyal Scouts.
I remember that, but I can't find my car keys.
Didn't do the whole Boy Scout thing.
I don't know why.
I was probably dorking out on various other things, watching moon landings and stuff.
I was too busy to learn how to tie a knot.
But I know a lot of Boy Scouts, a lot of Eagle Scouts.
Scouting has been, during my lifetime, It's one of the things you can admire.
And there's a common thread here.
Everything we've admired has to be destroyed.
Every institution that has stood for something has to be brought down by the left.
Now I can hear you almost in my earpiece.
Yeah, Mark, Boy Scouts bear a little bit of responsibility on this themselves.
We did have some Predators in the ranks and maybe they weren't you know, kind of like the priesthood still on balance a good thing But wow, did they need to be a lot more careful?
So the Boy Scouts have some sins that they have to atone for but tell me in what universe It is helped by them changing the name.
It'll no longer be the Boy Scouts.
You know, it's gonna be now Scouting America Scouting America.
Now, I love America.
You stick America on the title of something, I tend to think that's a good thing.
But Boy Scouts of America already had that.
What in the world is this?
Here's the Fox News story.
For the first time in its history, the Boy Scouts of America is set to change its name as it seeks to foster A more inclusive organization.
Ah yes, gotta have the inclusivity.
The rebranding will go into effect on February 8th of 2025, which is the organization's 115th anniversary.
That's when it will become known as Scouting America.
Officials say the name change aims to make everyone feel welcome.
Who didn't feel welcome?
Girls?
There's the Girl Scouts.
Go, go.
And what did you have?
And the brownies, right?
Are there still brownies?
Anyway, there's Girl Scouts.
It's for girls.
Remember when we used to respect the difference between boys and girls, that that difference actually existed?
You think this is further evidence that that's under fire?
Ding, ding, ding.
You got that right.
So who, I mean, I guess there was a thing about gay scouts.
You know, OK, here's the deal here.
I don't care who's gay.
I just don't.
I truly don't care who's gay.
I don't care.
I'm a big live and let live person.
When the politics of the gay agenda begin to adversely affect institutions I care about, then you got a problem.
So in terms of the gay scouting thing, here was my take on that.
This is all of a sudden talk shows from 20 years ago where I was on the radio saying, I don't care.
That's a family issue.
Go do what you want to do.
But am I going to have somebody in a tent with my son who's sexually attracted to boys?
No!
And that's the thing.
If somebody is battling the deep mental illness of gender dysphoria, I pray for mental health for you.
I pray for redemption and improvement.
And that's why the detransitioners are such heroes to me.
I've got nothing against anybody.
Again, I'm a live and let live person.
But if you're going to go carving up the genitals of children, There's no such thing as a transgender child.
No.
And if you're going to say, hey, let's put men into sports competitions featuring women, that's going to be a no.
So I hope all of the last 60 seconds has made sense, because this certainly does not.
Officials say.
That this move is an attempt to move on from bankruptcy.
Wouldn't we all like to move on from bankruptcy?
Following a flood of sexual abuse claims, last year the Boy Scouts agreed to pay $2.4 billion to settle claims by some 82,000 former Boy Scouts who said they'd been sexually abused by Boy Scout officials and volunteers.
Wow, they had a problem.
And that problem needed to be fixed.
But what part of this, what the Boy Scouts need to do is just refocus, not rebrand, recommit, not redefine, and say, look, we are going to drill down on our mission, which has always been to help nurture boys in their path toward manhood.
That's what we're going to do.
And the other thing we're going to do is purge all the pedophiles from our ranks.
That would be good, too.
That's what the Boy Scouts Ought to be doing.
But instead, no, we got this nonsense.
We're in Knoxville.
Randy, welcome to America First.
Mark Davison for Seb, how are you?
I'm good, Mark.
Thank you.
I hope you are, too.
You bet.
I'm upset about this Boy Scout.
It's like you said, man.
It's 115 years.
Boy Scouts.
I was in Cub Scouts.
I was in Boy Scouts.
I'm about to turn 60 years old next month.
This is a freaky, weird thing.
Dude, it's not about the gays, though, Mark.
It's about this transgender thing.
You can't, you know, gays and kids.
I worry about the inner workings of the Boy Scouts.
Now, there's no way I'd let my kids join.
That thing's gone.
But I'm worried that these people, these Scoutmasters, they're not going to know whether they're molesting boys or girls now that they've changed this thing.
Okay.
Ha ha ha.
The call was going so well.
Maybe that was an attempted satire.
Look at DEI.
What are the letters of DEI?
Diversity, equity, inclusion.
All of them good things in a vacuum.
But diversity in the hands of race baiters becomes terrible.
It becomes quotas.
It becomes terrible.
Equity instead of equality of opportunity becomes terrible.
And inclusivity or inclusion I mean, hey, let's include, let's welcome everybody to be welcoming.
That's a good trait for people to have and a good trait for organizations to have.
But if you are the Boy Scouts of America, if that's your branding, that's what you are, There are two groups of folks whom it is tough to be inclusive toward.
One is gay scouts, because you can't have sexual attraction at the Jamboree.
And the second is trans—no such thing as a trans kid—a young girl who thinks she is a boy.
That's going to be a no as well.
That's not the scouts' job.
The scouts' job is to raise actual boys to becoming actual men.
Silly, silly me for believing that.
All righty, much more to come.
I'm going to be a little bit more serious.
You can get me on the old ex-Twitter, whatever you want to call it, at Mark Davis, at M-A-R-K Davis.
So, with some stuff going on on the phones, multiple issues at 833-33 Gorka, 833-334-6752.
Back to you guys in a second.
I want to take an opportunity To chat with one of the best guys you can talk to on immigration issues.
He is, in fact, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, author of Overrun a couple of years ago.
Wonderful, wonderful book.
I think the subtitle was How Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S.
History.
He is a man of sparse words when it comes down to getting to the heart of the matter.
Todd Bensman's here.
Todd, welcome back.
How you doing, sir?
Great to be here.
Thank you.
I want to do a lot of overview stuff on what amnesty even means and what we ought to do about certain types of student visas and blah, blah, blah.
But very, very recent, just in the pipeline, a New York Post piece that you have written, and I just love the headline here too, why Biden's Gaza refugee plan is a hard hell no.
I guess as opposed to the soft hell no.
It's a double.
So where does this idea even come from?
Even if somebody is really sympathetic, empathetic to the plight of the Palestinians and what's going on in Gaza, and they don't like Israel, in what universe is bringing refugees from this patch of land, bringing them to America, in what universe is that a good idea?
I mean, I think the Biden campaign, not the administration, is worried about Losing the progressive left that they need so badly to beat Donald Trump.
They have to have that progressive left that's pissed off at him right now because of his stance on the war in Israel, the war on Gaza, retaliatory war on Gaza.
So there, it seems to be a serious proposal.
I mean, I suspect maybe they were kind of floating it as a test balloon, but it's absolutely insane to think about bringing thousands of Gazans in here.
Because as I point out in the piece at length, the population of Gaza is unique in the world in that it has been subject to intense ideological indoctrination by Hamas at every level of civil society For decades, and even before Hamas was in there, it was the Palestinian Authority, and they were doing it too.
And I mean, cradle to grave, teaching them to hate, to tolerate suicide bombing.
Actually, the whole value system is that martyrdom operations, suicide bombing is the highest possible order of valor in that society.
Bringing kids to these crazy summer camps where they're teaching them how to shoot guns and kill, to hate Jews, to regard Jews and Christians as subhuman.
Throughout the entire school system, again, cradle to grave, the emoms, the social services infrastructure, the government, everything is geared to So the population is like a petri dish of terrorism.
You're taking a big risk.
If you bring a bunch of Gazan refugees in here, there's no way you're going to be able to vet them for security.
They hate Americans.
They hate America.
They hate Christians.
Ad nauseum.
And all the polling, there's a lot of polling of the Gazan population.
I'm not just missing out on nothing.
It's a real thing.
Isn't there, proving that no good deed goes unpunished, didn't Israel attempt something?
It may or may not be that similar.
Tell me the difference between what Biden's floating and what Israel did, I guess, out of the goodness of their heart.
I mean, there are there are Palestinians in the Israeli parliament in the Knesset.
Didn't Israel at some point recently say, look, all right, we're going to welcome some folks.
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 05, I want to say.
And didn't they recently say, let's welcome some folks over.
We got labor shortages, too.
That's always a Well, yeah, they took a chance.
I mean, you know, there were good people in southern Israel, not far from the Strip, and they sponsored work permits for thousands of Gazans to come and work and get very precious hard cash to bring back into the Strip.
And the reporting so far is that at least some of them, certainly not all of them, but some of them are suspected of having provided tactical intelligence to the Hamas terrorists who conducted October 7th, that they were able to get the specific layout of these towns and who was living in which house and all of that sort of thing from these workers.
And furthermore, UNRWA, the United Nations agency that is responsible for providing a lot of the U.S.
aid and the global aid to Palestinians, at least a dozen of them who were heavily vetted by the Israeli security establishment turned out to have directly participated in the October 7 attacks.
So even if you do some kind of vetting with Gazans and Palestinians, Man, all bets are kind of off.
I mean, it's not a settled science, as we say.
Indeed.
And this is not to be unkind, and this is not to be harsh.
We lose track, and let's spend a couple of minutes on this, and we'll hit the bottom of the hour and come back and talk about some other things.
America's southern border, etc., etc.
We lose sight of the fact that immigration policy is not designed to find a haven for every suffering soul who might do better in America.
It's designed to allow people in who will appreciate coming in.
We love the contribution that legal immigration has made to our country,
but it ultimately is for the betterment of the United States.
Where did that crazy notion go?
Right, I mean, you know, there are plenty of populations in the world
that could use some help.
That would, you know, there are war refugees who are permanently unable to live in their homes,
so they have nowhere else to go.
So, you know, we always provide havens for people like that.
But what I suggest in the New York Post piece today is, Don't turn a blind eye to suffering Gazans.
Send the U.S.
Mercy over there, the hospital ship.
Send aid.
Send humanitarian.
Drop aid.
Send doctors.
Do what you can to facilitate their resettlement in safer regional neighboring countries like Jordan.
You don't have to bring Gazans to the United States for us to have to take that risk of a national security risk for sure.
Like the Israelis took that risk, but also just, you know, we don't need to be bringing people in who are on record in mass in polling as hating our country.
In final 60 seconds on this, then we'll go to our southern border on the other segment.
I don't want to paint with too broad a brush.
There are Palestinians in Jordan who are not this radicalized.
There's just something about the Gaza environment that creates schools starting as early as kindergarten meant to inculcate that kind of poisonous doctrine.
Right.
I mean, you know, their state-run TV has these, like, cartoon character children's shows that are all about teaching the kids how to murder Jews and hate Jews and work the AK-47.
I mean, it's literally from cradle to grave at every level, every institution, college, everything there is spiritual.
the struggle. All right, let me pause for a second. The Twitter feed, the Twitter handle is
Benzman Todd, B-E-N-S-M-A-N, Todd Benzman, Center for Immigration Studies. We'll continue in just
a moment. Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka on a Tuesday.
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Mark Davis has been here for the entire two and a half hours so far, and so what can we do in the final half hour?
We're in the middle of a chat with Todd Bensman at the Center for Immigration Studies, and we just spent a lot of time on the rank insanity of welcoming refugees from Gaza.
Well, staying on the insanity beat, let's talk a little bit about our currently open border under Biden.
You did a PragerU video, and those tend to be fairly short.
They're fairly compact.
And it was called, How to Solve the Border Crisis.
I didn't know it was possible to explain that in less than three hours, but let's try to do what the bullet points are.
How do we solve the border crisis?
Well, you have to understand that immigrants make decisions to travel to the border based on one simple calculus, which is that If I'm laying out $10,000 in smuggling fees, I want a high probability that I'm going to enter and stay in the United States to pay it back and make a bunch of money.
That's what it's all about.
So really just what you do is you have to have policies that reverse that calculus and make it Uh, on where it doesn't pay off, uh, where the probability of entering and staying is becomes very low and then they'll stay home.
Uh, and it's that simple.
Uh, Trump did it for all four years, especially the last two years, uh, drove the numbers down to their lowest mark in 45 years.
And on January 20th and 21st of 2021.
We saw the number, all those policies went away, the probability of entering and staying went straight up, spiked, and they came, and they never stopped coming.
So you have to have deportation, you have to have detention, you have to make it so that they do not get in to stay for very long at all, and they'll just stay home.
You only have to do it for a short period of time.
That's the five minute elevator pitch, or the one minute elevator pitch.
That's superb.
And listen, I'm a big fan of the wall, but you don't even have to have 2,500 miles of wall.
The minute Trump's hand comes off the Bible, January 20th, 2025, God willing, what you've just described has a sea change, a tectonic shift, and countless immigrants will think better of coming at that moment.
Yes, absolutely.
That's all it takes.
That's really all it takes.
It's that simple.
So let's take a minute and talk about the folks who come across and it's like, well, they're going to be arrested.
Arrest is the best thing that could happen because you're then going to disappear into the tapestry of America, given a piece of paper where we'd like to see you for a court date sometime in the year 2026.
Thanks very much.
And then we give you like a bus ticket and a cell phone and off you go into the interior of America.
Is that anecdotally, is that how true is that?
Because I hear it all the time.
That's absolutely true.
Uh, if you, I mean, look, they count on the fact that we're releasing them immediately.
Uh, they count on that.
They come for that.
Uh, one thing that, uh, Trump did that was incredibly successful is that he made them wait in Mexico for their asylum hearings.
Nobody comes for the great Mexican dream, man.
Uh, so this, they knew they were going to be stuck in Mexico.
They stopped coming.
And the ones that got pushed back to Mexico went home supposedly to the homes that they absolutely could not return to because they're being persecuted.
I know because I interviewed, you know, hundreds of them when that was happening, they went home.
And that's what happens if you have to wait in Mexico.
Uh, and if you don't have an opportunity to be free in the United States, in other words, if you're stuck here, detained, you're not coming for that either.
You're not spending 10 grand to get messed up, mixed up and all that kind of detention stuff.
Sure.
What is asylum supposed to be?
I remember, you know, when I first heard about asylum, it was for people who are in other countries, and the message to them is, we're going to kill you because of what your religion is, or we're going to kill you because of who you voted for.
We're going to kill you because of whom you politically support.
Asylum was never meant to be, we're going to accept you because your country is corrupt or crime-ridden.
That's right.
It's based on, I can't return home because I'm going to be persecuted by the government on the basis of race or politics or social membership in a social group and a few other categories.
In other words, it's extremely dangerous.
You are escaping life-threatening circumstances from your government.
Uh, but most of the people that are coming here aren't interested in asylum.
They tell me all the time.
They just know that if they say it, when they get to the border, we'll let them in and let them be free and they don't ever have to show up again.
And that's the only game there is.
That's the game.
Right there.
And Trump had it when he was making him wait in Mexico, because again, you know, great Mexican dream isn't on the menu, man.
The Mexican dream.
The website is Todd with two Ds, Benzman, ToddBenzman.com.
The Twitter feed is BenzmanTodd.
Great pleasure and great work over there at the Center for Immigration Studies, where he is a fellow, a jolly good fellow, to be sure.
Todd, thank you very much for your time, and thanks for being on the program.
All righty, when we come back, we're gonna grab a call or two.
I got some stuff I haven't gotten to yet.
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And so that's where he is, and he'll be back tomorrow.
And as he heads down there to Philly, That means I get to do this, and it's just been a joy.
We've had a lot of great guests, a lot of great callers, a lot of fun to be had.
So what have we not gotten to yet that the fine production team has assembled?
Here's a little feature I like to call Dumb Thing of the Day.
Now, this is a target-rich environment when you're talking about things that Democrats might say, and you know what?
Sometimes a Republican says a dumb thing every once in a while as well.
I want to be bipartisan about this.
But today's winner is a Democrat.
Often the road to dumb thing is paved with good intentions.
New York Governor Kathy Hochul wanted to do something to indicate the degree to which she wants to reach out and open up opportunities to inner city kids, I guess in the world of high tech, but this is how it came out.
Young black kids growing up in the Bronx who don't even know what the word computer is.
They don't know.
They don't know these things.
And I want the world to open up to all of them because when you have their diverse voices innovating solutions through technology, then you're really addressing society's broader challenges.
Pro tip.
If the end of your quote is talking about expanding opportunity and creating more paths to success for people, great.
But if your path to get there says that black kids don't know what a computer is, Nobody's listening to the words that come afterwards.
All right, number two.
Oh boy, if you really want to ramp it up.
Maxine Waters.
God love her.
Yes, she still exists.
And here she is in the friendly confines of MSNBC.
I sometimes think that MSNBC exists only to give conservative talk shows material.
So why not let them live up to that pledge?
Here is Maxine.
Talking about what?
Let me ask you this.
I don't know about you.
I'm going to walk through fire for Trump.
I'm going to crawl on broken glass, do whatever I can do to get his hand back on the Bible, Inauguration Day 2025.
But here's what Maxine Waters thinks we're doing.
This is a man who we'd better be careful about and I tell you what I'm going to do.
I'm going to ask the Justice Department and I'm going to ask the President to tell us what they're going to do to protect this country against violence if he loses.
I want to know about all of those right-wing organizations that he's connected with who are training up in the hills somewhere and targeting, you know, what communities they're going to attack.
No.
Again, let's start even-handedly.
Nobody wants violence ever.
I mean, that's never your first option.
Could there be an enormous amount of angst if we are screwed again?
Yes.
Let's hope that doesn't happen.
But this comes under the category of, what a curious person to make that point.
Concerned about, shall we say, outlandish behavior by people who are politically fired up.
Do we remember, I think it was 2018, I do.
Got it right here.
Didn't want to mess up the quote.
Maxine Waters, let's make sure we show up wherever we have to show up.
And if you see anybody from that cabinet, the Trump cabinet, if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, In a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere.
I don't think I'm going to be taking lectures on civil behavior from Maxine Waters.
All right, as a palate cleanser, let's get us some Newt.
What's Newt like?
74?
God love him.
He's fantastic.
Still brilliant.
And Newt has a theory on what he believes Judge Mershon is up to, ultimately, as the days pass with yet more gag order violations in the Trump trial.
And so if you watch the judge in New York, the most important battlefield of this entire campaign is an appointed corrupt judge in New York who I believe is about to put Donald Trump in prison.
And that's a very dangerous thing.
It's dangerous to our Constitution.
By what right does an appointed local judge put somebody who is the nominee of their party, former president, in prison?
But he's openly told us twice now, in two weeks, that it's going to happen.
And I think it's very dangerous at the most basic of levels.
Just ask yourself, what would it be like to be Trump in prison in New York?
I don't think Trump is going to prison.
I think even in his ideological fog, Judge Mershon knows that if he jails Trump, Trump wins 40 states.
An electoral landslide.
Somebody will get to him and say, don't put him in prison.
That doesn't work well for us.
Maybe some type of house arrest works here?
Well, but works being the relative term.
Works for whom?
Because as I mentioned earlier in the show, Judge Mershon has painted himself into quite the corner.
If he does nothing, if it looks like he's tucked tail and failed to live up to his, what was the word?
He said there was the possibility of an incarceratory.
Look that one up.
An incarceratory option if Trump doesn't come to heel and stop with the gag order violations.
So amid all of this, here we are enjoying coverage and enjoying being a relative term.
Here we are just, I don't know about you, but I spend a lot of time looking at everything, looking at stuff online, things I agree with, things I disagree with, I'm glad a wide variety of things are out there for you and for me to consume.
And that is why Elon Musk, quite the curious figure, is a kind of a free speech hero to me.
Might as well knock out a little Elon audio here, video.
Here's Elon talking about the value of free speech if we're going to have any kind of democratically reliable elections.
Start with this one.
Free speech.
Freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy.
Without it, America ends.
Yes, it's obviously not possible to have democratic elections if people do not have access to the information that would allow them to make the right decision on a candidate or a party.
So, if speech is constrained in a fundamental way, you just can't expect people to make the right decision, or an informed decision, because they are prevented from being informed.
See?
Was that hard?
And that's why when he started to open up Twitter, now X, to various views, the left freaked out because they can no longer rely on Twitter to muzzle conservatives like you and me.
So thank you, Elon.
Thank you every day.
All right.
I'll thank you for hanging out with us and have a couple of final words when we wrap things up here in just a moment on America First with Dr. Gorka.
Mark Davis filling in.
Thank you.
you you
welcome back to America first with Mark Davis And the Pointer Sisters with the theme of the day.
I am so excited.
So excited retroactively to have been here.
And so excited looking forward to whenever I am here next.
I do know that as Dr. Gorka and my other good friend with the network show, Mike Gallagher, prepared their Patriots Alaska cruise.
Get any remaining cabins on that thing.
Can you imagine going up Alaska with Gorka and Gallagher?
Are you kidding?
If I didn't have stuff to do, I'd go.
You need to go.
It's going to be great.
Oh, the aforementioned, I think the aforementioned Chris Stegall in Philly is going on that one as well.
So anyway, I think I'm in.
You and I will spend some time together while Dr. Gorka is on the cruise at the beginning of July, if not before.
Whenever they ask, I am glad to be here.
So a few minutes ago, I got one more like 15 second bit of wisdom from somebody else.
Newt was talking about how dangerous, how daunting, how horrible it would be if Judge Mershon puts Trump in jail.
And I get that.
But here's Greg Gutfeld on The Five.
And I love Gutfeld.
He's wrong about weed, but so right on various other things.
Gutfeld kind of wants Trump to go to jail.
Take a look.
I hope they do arrest Trump.
I hope they put him in jail because that does guarantee that he wins.
Please, please, please.
This is becoming the greatest third act of any political story, perhaps moving.
He's not wrong.
And I think it comes under the category of small price to pay.
It's not a small price, but worth the price.
Let's say it's worth the price.
What a banana republic, and I know everybody says that all the time, but it's true.
What a banana republic spectacle that would be.
As trump, you know drapes that red tie over top of an orange jumpsuit for just one night in prison
Uh, what does the secret service do? Where do we put them?
um But but again, and i've i've i've not i've only been half
kidding when I said if trump goes to prison for the gag order
Uh that he wins 40 states I'm, really not kidding about that because then all kinds
of people who don't even really pay attention To the nuts and bolts of politics. They'll pay attention to
that and they'll go. Oh, no That just that just doesn't seem right
And there's so many things that don't seem right Right now so many things a border that's open
What are we going to do about it?
Crimes that we just don't even seem to be interested in punishing anymore.
What are we going to do about it?
People walking around, if there's somebody that doesn't know how many genders there are, That's just an idiot.
I get it.
There's always going to be room for it.
I say dumb things every once in a while.
But when there are doctors and schools and parents who are trying to get your son to become your daughter, that's an outrage against science and against God.
What are we going to do about it?
Those are the questions that hang in the balance.
Lots of talk shows between now and then.
I'll be doing some of them on 660AMTheAnswer.
Listen at 660AMTheAnswer.com.
You're going to catch the local flavor of my show.
It's a lot like this, only without video.
And speaking of video, Salem News Channel, great to be here.
Dr. Gorka will be back tomorrow.
Thanks to Jeff and Alex and Eric.
I'm Mark Davis, at Mark Davis on Twitter or X, and I'll see you next time.
Have a great night.
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