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	I'm Sebastian Gorka and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
	Dr. Gorka, thank you so much.
	He leaves behind custom intros.
	It's the kind of thoughtful man that he is.
	I would expect no less of someone with the heart and mind of Dr. Gorka.
	Those who are particularly swift among you will notice I am not, in fact, Seb.
	I'm Mark Davis.
	Let me tell you who I am.
	Then let me tell you where Seb is.
	Then we'll say hi to the guys.
	And then we'll start into a parade of wonderful guests.
	Clips and highlights of the week since I am in Texas.
	I'm the happy morning host of 660 a.m.
	The answer the Salem news talk property here in the thriving Dallas Fort Worth And so there's nothing that preps me for doing a Gorka show more than doing my own show this morning Which I did and and what a shindig that was and it's it's many of the things that I'll bring you today an opportunity to to get with you on the phone lines at 833 and 833-33-GORKA.
	You know that.
	833-33-GORKA.
	I'd say once we get to the bottom of the hour, we get the opportunity to turn toward the phones and see what your thoughts are on Trump's week.
	Trump in the courthouse, Trump on the campaign trail, which for him is exactly the same thing.
	He has masterfully turned the disadvantage of being shackled to that fetid courthouse That meatlocker of a courthouse in Manhattan, he has turned it into the campaign trail.
	So Joe Biden can dodder around to wherever he wishes, apparently now surrounded by a phalanx of people positioned so that he doesn't topple over.
	And I'm not making that up.
	And so Biden can go wherever he wishes and commit whatever gaffes he is prone to make, Well, Trump just knocks it out of the park day after day after day after day and what is apparently in the offing now.
	And I just get tingly thinking about this.
	And I don't want to go nuts here and suggest that he's going to win the state of New York.
	Dare we dream.
	But let's just look at what's happening.
	You've seen the footage.
	You've seen what he has done, attendant to and before some of his court appearances.
	There was after one day in court, he goes up to Harlem and is celebrated at a bodega.
	Then he shows up at a construction site, presumably with hardcore unionized You know, some of them are probably from Staten Island, which tends to be friendly Republican territory.
	But your average Manhattanite construction site?
	Is it going to be as pro-Trump as it appeared to be?
	And there's just a golden piece of video of And I think Seb played it either yesterday or the day before, where there's a Fox reporter, somebody out there talking to the construction workers and said, are you surprised to find this level of construction worker support for Donald Trump?
	And the guy said, no, not at all.
	It's turning.
	His time has come.
	It's time for him to come back.
	And then I love the easy setup question.
	And what's your and what's your message for Joe Biden?
	Puts the camera in the construction worker's face and the construction worker head.
	A two-word answer.
	And the second word was you.
	So it was sort of the abbreviated, uh, let's go Brandon.
	So that's such is life and there we are.
	And so let's spend a little time today again amidst some wonderful guests.
	Harmeet Dhillon, whom we all love and I kind of wanted her to be RNC chair, but she's off doing really important things like keeping track of the Trump trial.
	We're going to welcome the wonderful John Lott on Second Amendment Friday in our second hour.
	And then, you know, as if we're not having enough fun in the last hour, let's talk to... He's our favorite Democrat.
	Is he a Democrat?
	Is he really a Democrat anymore?
	Alan Dershowitz will hang out with us in the third hour.
	Now, hanging out with me because they hang out with Seb, and I was telling the guys coming in because I am a dutiful listener to the Dr. Gorka program, and just proud to be a friend of Seb from before he even had a show.
	I mean, I've been here in Salem world doing radio.
	And a lot of fill-in on the Salem News Channel along with that fill-in for Prager and you'll see me on Hewitt sometimes and various other shows.
	I've been doing radio here in DFW for 30 years and overall for even more than that.
	So one of my favorite moments to recall is when a little book came out called Defeating Jihad by this gentleman named Sebastian Gork.
	And I said, well, who's this guy?
	Because the book is great.
	And I welcomed him as a guest on the show that I do here on 660 AM, The Answer, in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	And I said, this is simply one of the most brilliant and inspiring guys that I've had on the show in a long time.
	So when the wheels just begin to turn, and one thing you will get in radio is vacancies, you will have people leaving, which means like, okay, who's next up?
	And the idea arose of giving Dr. Gorka a radio show, and I just think that's the coolest thing our company ever did.
	And so not just a friend, but a colleague.
	So speaking of colleagues, let's say hi to Eric and Jeff and Alex and Guy and John, if you want to fire up the multiple screens there.
	So here I am in DFW.
	You guys are all there outside the swamp of the Beltway.
	How's everybody doing today?
	We all stoked to get the week done on an amazing Friday.
	Well, great joy and honor to be here.
	Thank you very much, Mark.
	It's always a pleasure.
	It's been far too long, but it's a pleasure to have you back on the show.
	It has, indeed.
	And listen, you know where to find me, and I'm glad to do it.
	So, first of all, you know what?
	Let's just do a little personal thing, because I'm driving on the way over, and Seb texts me and says that I am at liberty to share with the audience where he is.
	I assume you guys know, or do you?
	An event for his son that I would never be able to do.
	That's where he is.
	Exactly right.
	So he texts me.
	Feel free, Mark, to tell the audience, he'll be back on Monday, and I am in Texas and Dr. Gorka is also in Texas, about four hours southeast of me on Interstate 45.
	He is in the greater Houston area where his son, Paul, is about to do his first Iron Man.
	So just seeing that on my phone screen caused me to kind of get the vapors for just a moment, and I needed to refresh myself a little on just what the Iron Man is.
	Are we hip to what the Iron Man is, gentlemen?
	It's three things.
	What are the three things?
	There is first?
	Running.
	First is swimming.
	Then it's cycling.
	Cycling and then you run.
	Exactly right.
	Let's go to the distances.
	First of all, you get to swim for about two and a half miles.
	So there's that.
	At that point, I'm, are you kidding?
	Done.
	I drowned halfway through.
	So halfway through, whatever, two and a half miles of swimming.
	Then you get to hop on a bike and ride it for, I think it's about 115 miles.
	You've got to bike.
	Biking is extremely unbelievable.
	I mean, watch Tour de France and all that stuff.
	You ever have that debate on who the greatest athletes are?
	Is it soccer players because of the cardio?
	I think it might be sort of the Tour de France bicycling people because it just never stops.
	So you get to do that for about 110, 115 miles.
	So let's keep in mind, you've been swimming for two and a half, then you bike for 110, and then you get to run a marathon.
	Then you get to do 26.2.
	And so I told him, God bless Paul, give him our absolutely unfettered best wishes for all of that.
	And that's just great.
	So Seb will come back with stories, I'm sure, for that.
	So a couple of minutes right now before we break camp and go talk to Harmeet, just generally, shorthand first, and then we'll revisit and do a little more.
	How long can we ride this train of Trump, Making lemonade out of the lemons of his court case.
	Is it indefinite?
	Even if he's convicted, will the base say, no, not just no, but blank no?
	We're not going to let you tell us who our president can be.
	Is this a fuse of indefinite length?
	Let me run it around the room real quick.
	Is this just the way it's going to be?
	Or at some point, could the pendulum start to turn back?
	What do you gentlemen think?
	I think either way, Trump comes out of it stronger.
	Because when he gets convicted, it just proves everything he's been saying.
	It's a case that no one can explain.
	And if he somehow beats it, then it's going to look like it was a complete sham, that he went to New York and he beat a New York jury.
	Completely right.
	And on that New York jury, I think the death of O.J.
	reminded me something none of you are old enough to remember, I don't think, at least for having watched it on the TV box, you young whippersnappers.
	It reminded me, I know historically you're aware of it, that a jury does have a propensity from time to time to completely ignore the facts and the evidence And just rule the way they wish.
	In OJ's case, it was because a guilty black man had to go free because of 400 years of oppression.
	In this case, the Alvin Bragg case is threadbare.
	It is terrible.
	It is wanting in virtually every respect.
	The law is not on his side.
	The facts are not on his side.
	And this jury may convict him anyway.
	And so we got to figure out what we're going to do with that.
	So I tell you, let's do it.
	Let's ask Harmeet Dhillon about that.
	Not just RNC member, not just erstwhile candidate for RNC chair, but also quite the attorney and quite the observer of all these things.
	We'll ask her next.
	It is America.
	You You
	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Mark Davis filling in from 660 AM, The Answer, in Dallas-Fort Worth, awaiting the arrival here of one of my favorite attorneys, one of my favorite folks in the world of punditry, Harmeet Dhillon.
	Let me know when she's there.
	And as we await her, she's been watching closely the events in the courtroom, as have I.
	And you don't have to be an attorney to sort of recognize.
	I mean, you don't have to be a chef to realize when the food is bad, and you don't have to be an attorney.
	Just kind of being the most casual cursory observation of this Threadbare Alvin Bragg case just shows what an empty basket it is.
	So let me say, hey, is Harmeet on the line?
	Hey, Harmeet, Mark Davison for Seb.
	How are you, ma'am?
	I'm great.
	Thanks for having me today.
	What an absolute joy.
	I want to do a couple of things, if I can.
	One sort of an overview.
	Actually, three things, if I can get greedy.
	An overview of how Trump's doing, how this week in court is doing, just a general RNC, how's the party doing sort of thing.
	And then we're going to take a look.
	You sent us something that I'm particularly interested in, and that is, how do you know you're over the target is when you're taking on flack?
	And one of my great heroes of late is Riley Gaines, and they tried to victimize her.
	And there's some interesting stories as to how that happened.
	So, in that kind of order, let me ask you, as the attorney in the room, when I'm not, I asked the guys a moment ago, how long can we ride this train of turning lemons into lemonade, where Trump in court seems to be something that makes it obvious what a sham this entire thing is?
	I mean, is this the narrative and we get to ride this to ultimate success?
	Well, you know, the commentary outside the courtroom is definitely Trending in our direction in the sense that the behavior of the court is so indefensible that it is creating a backlash of sympathy for President Trump.
	But let's not lose sight of the consequences inside the courtroom, which include keeping the leading candidate for president off the campaign trail, causing him to incur expense, Putting him and all of his attorneys and advisors in legal jeopardy of violating outrageously overbroad and unconstitutional gag orders and ultimately subjecting him to criminal liability potentially for conduct that is well beyond the statute of limitations and cannot be proven to be a campaign finance violation.
	So to me, the fact that this ridiculous case has proceeded to this point,
	points to an underlying rot in the legal system that we have really seen over the last several years
	where judges who normally are charged with being gatekeepers of justice
	have abandoned that function, which they swore an oath to, and instead are weaponizing their offices
	for political purposes.
	And so this is a disturbing trend.
	It is not just in this courtroom, but in other courtrooms in New York.
	It is in most courtrooms in the District of Columbia.
	And we are seeing it in courts all over the country where Trump-supporting alternate delegates
	are being prosecuted for their First Amendment activities.
	So I'm very troubled by all of this.
	And we should be.
	And let me ask you about Judge Marchand, because much has been said and written about him, and a lot of attention has been given to his daughter, who is a very mouthy, partisan advocate for Democrat causes, which, in a free country, she gets to be.
	But a lot of people are saying, wait a minute, that's his daughter, you know, and did the apple fall far from the tree?
	How fair or unfair is that?
	Is his daughter his problem?
	Well, it's his problem in the following sense.
	New York State has a specific statute regarding judicial Disqualification or recusal and that specific statute says that if your child and child is within six degrees of relationship So it's a first degree of relationship if that person is benefiting financially from the case that you're presiding over you having legal duty to recuse yourself and the judge has simply refused to do that and the Court of Appeals has refused to correct him on that and
	And so these folks are all ignoring the law.
	So, no, you aren't responsible for your kid mouthing off.
	You are obliged, if your kid is financially benefiting, which is the case in this situation, to recuse yourself.
	It is a very clear standard, and it is shocking that this judge wants to get Trump more than he wants to follow the law.
	I'm glad I asked that, and thanks for phrasing it that way, because I had a call on my own DFW radio show this morning of somebody who said, hey Mark, aren't you the same guy who has said that it's not a problem that Clarence Thomas' wife, Ginny, has been expressing herself?
	That doesn't, you know, there's no inoculation necessary.
	Justice Thomas is able to rule fairly on that with his wife's activities, obviously right there in the same house.
	What's the difference between the two?
	The difference between the two is New York State has a specific judicial statute that specifically describes financial benefit, and I don't think people have made the same assertion with respect to the Supreme Court.
	First of all, there is no similar statute.
	Second of all, there's no allegation of financial benefit that I'm aware of.
	She's entitled to her opinions, my husband is entitled to his opinions, and spouses and children are entitled to their opinions.
	This is millions of dollars of financial benefit.
	It is not It is not trivial financial benefit.
	It is big bucks.
	And so it is a big problem for this judge to stay on this case.
	Harmeet Dhillon is here.
	Having worked our way into the Supreme Court as a topic, let's talk about the other courtroom where Trump is topic A, and that's the notion of presidential immunity.
	I always try to apply a consistency test, so the way I sleep at night is I would say, yes, Democrat presidents, even those that drive me crazy, ought to also be entitled to presidential immunity because every president needs to go through, because again, it's not for shooting somebody in the street or committing some You know, thuggish crime.
	It's for official duties, the weaponizing of lawfare against presidents for their official duties.
	I would indeed protect presidents of both parties against rogue, ambitious DAs trying to get themselves in the paper by saying, look at me, I'm trying to bring down the president.
	What's your thought?
	My thought is that, so first of all, I should say that one of the cases mentioned repeatedly in this three hour argument yesterday in the Supreme Court is a case that my law firm and I specifically am handling.
	And that involves civil immunity and civil claims against President Trump for January 6th activities by other people, not President Trump.
	And so that is what the—that standard articulated in that case in the D.C.
	Circuit called a blasting game is what the Trump side was arguing should apply, and that is that there should be immunity for the presidential acts of President Trump broadly construed But no claim of immunity in that case for the purely private acts of candidate Trump.
	Now, what the other side is arguing, the government side, the special prosecutor side, is that the sort of presidential acts framework should be very narrowly construed to include only those acts that exclusively the president can do.
	So allegedly core functions like appointing ambassadors and declaring war and things like that.
	Um, not declaring war, but you know, treaties and things like that, that president pardons, things like that, that exclusively a president can do.
	And there's no support for that in the Constitution.
	There's no support for that in the case law of the Supreme Court.
	And this is literally the first time a former president has been prosecuted.
	And so what the court is charged with is fashioning a rule that not just affects President Trump, but more importantly, affects future presidents and their conduct.
	Because if there is a very narrow construction, like the government is
	arguing because they want to get Trump, that's going to limit the quality of people who want to be
	president because you're basically going to be subjecting yourself to a potential lifetime of
	vendettas by the party after the fact.
	It'll be never ending. It'll be never ending.
	It's terrible. Absolutely.
	I've got one sort of thing drooping off the end of that question.
	And I want to do the Riley Gaines thing. Can you hang with us for one more quick segment, please?
	Of course. No problem.
	Excellent. Harmeet Dhillon is here.
	And so, silly me, I consider challenging a dubious election result to be an official thing that a president does.
	We'll run that by Harmeet.
	And then how Eventbrite tried to bring down Riley Gaines.
	Ha ha, didn't work.
	More in a moment, Mark Davison for Seb Gorka.
	This is America First on a Friday.
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	you you
	Welcome back to America First with Mark Davis.
	this.
	Bye!
	Thank you, Sam.
	Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka today.
	He's back on Monday.
	He is in my state of Texas.
	He is in Houston.
	His son, Paul, is doing his first, I love the way he phrased this, his first Ironman, as if there will be more.
	If it's something you want to do one time, if you want to swim for two and a half miles and then bike for 115 and then run a marathon, hey, if you do it once, why not do it multiple times?
	Here's something it's always a pleasure to do repeatedly, and that's welcome the wonderful Harmeet Dhillon to the show.
	Whatever show you're doing, it's been my joy to talk to her on my local show and now here on the Salem Radio Network and the Salem News Channel.
	Harmeet and I were just talking about the immunity case where Trump is arguing that presidents absolutely need to have presidential immunity.
	The literal elephant in the room for Republican Party purposes is that the president's assertion that the 2020 result was simply flawed and his mobilization of everything at his disposal to get to the bottom of that.
	Surely that would be an official presidential act, would it not?
	Well, the president certainly has a duty and I think certainly a right and a duty to comment on Those issues.
	Ultimately, the executive branch is responsible for a significant portion of the government.
	And this is protected speech.
	It is leadership by the president.
	And so the area that, you know, we have conceded in court, the lawyer conceded in court yesterday and below, that would be not covered by immunity, would be things like talking to your private lawyer.
	That's separately covered by a different kind of protection, namely the First Amendment.
	But for immunity purposes, you know, we're not arguing that every single thing that the former president and future president does is immunized, simply that we broadly construe his official act.
	And I think that's consistent with 250 years of Supreme Court precedent.
	And it was very ably argued yesterday by the court.
	And I think the government's position is untenable, quite frankly.
	And so we feel good about the hearing coming out.
	Of course, you don't know I think it's unconstitutional, yes.
	It's unprecedented.
	but several of the justices seem very troubled by the implications of a narrow immunity reading.
	And speaking of untenable things, just 60 seconds on this, then we'll go to one of the gender issues we'll talk about
	in the Riley Gaines targeting.
	Clearly, the gag order, especially one that is particularly one-sidedly punitive toward him,
	clearly the gag order is unconstitutional, isn't it?
	I think it's unconstitutional. Yes, it's unprecedented. And what's crazy is that
	witnesses in this case, including Michael Cohen and others, publicly announced witnesses, have
	not been prohibited from talking about President Trump, but he's been uniquely prohibited.
	And one thing that your listeners need to know is that the constitutional right to a fair trial accrues under the Constitution to the defendant.
	But it is the defendant who's being gagged here, supposedly for his own good, yet at the same time, The people who are out there trashing him are actually affecting the jury, potentially, and are not gagged.
	And so I think that's problematic, to say the least.
	And so all of these issues are going to be examined on appeal, I'm sure.
	In our last couple of minutes, your advocacy of the law is not just about pure politics and political people in the RNC.
	You also care deeply about the law and gender sanity.
	I talked about this on the radio when it happened, that the people at Eventbrite, their job is to provide ticketing for like every event known to man.
	You've got to go through Eventbrite to do anything these days.
	And Riley Gaines had an appearance somewhere and Eventbrite said, uh-uh, we're not going to facilitate tickets to her event.
	Because, and this is the usual old canard, the tired, tired, tired old strategy, that because she believes that men should not be in the pool with her, she practices discrimination.
	There's been a Senate finding of why Eventbrite censored her.
	What do we know?
	Well, so Eventbrite has been doing this quite a bit recently.
	Matt Walsh is another victim.
	My client, Chloe Cole, the famous detransitioner, is another victim.
	And basically what they're trying to do is shut down the rights opportunity to have important discussions by, at the last minute, canceling contracts that they've already entered into with people who want to attend these events.
	So the good news is there are conservative platforms to do this kind of thing, and I haven't used Eventbrite for many years for this very reason.
	They have a propensity to cancel conservative events.
	And so what conservatives need to do is spend their money with conservative payment processors,
	conservative event vendors, and if those things don't exist, then they should be
	developed by conservatives. So I think it's a really problematic situation. And kudos to
	the strong voices out there, Chloe, Riley, Matt Walsh, and others for drawing attention to it
	so that we all know not to use these businesses who don't want it.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And the core value of it, it's the most pro-woman thing you can do is protect women's sports.
	Harmeet, thank you so much.
	You're wonderful.
	Big fan.
	Thanks a lot.
	The great Harmeet Dhillon.
	And I'm Mark Davis, in for Dr. Gorka.
	In fact, so in the next break, 833-33-GORKA, let's grab some calls for a segment.
	833-33-GORKA, we've already done a lot.
	Let's see what you want to talk about.
	I'll tell you a story right out of Fort Worth, just west of me here, where a detransitioner event got shut down by local government and somebody needed to do something about it.
	So I did.
	We'll talk about that and much more as we spend a Friday together here on America First.
	You You
	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, but not today.
	America First every day.
	Dr. Gorka back on Monday.
	I'm Mark Davis here in the thriving Dallas-Fort Worth area where I'm the happy morning host of 660 AM The Answer on the radio and show up to fill in for people on the radio and here on the Salem News Channel.
	Whenever they ask.
	And what a joy it is to be back in the Dr. Gorka fold.
	So I've got a couple of updates on things here in my state that made national news and a number of other things, but let's go to the phone lines.
	Let me start firing these up because as this hour winds down and we pivot into the next.
	833-33-GORKA.
	833-33-GORKA.
	And that's 833-334-6752.
	Trump's Week.
	Craziness on college campuses just south of me in Austin.
	University of Texas.
	Here's how you do it.
	here's how you do it. You got a strong police presence, shut that stuff down. In Florida,
	here's how you do it. They haven't said you can't protest.
	They've essentially said you can't have a tent. You can't have, you know, 47 lawn chairs, 53
	Coleman coolers, things like this, because these encampments, just no. Tent city, no. Of course there's
	free speech. And if somebody wants to get onto a college campus and pitch the Palestinian side
	of a global land dispute, of course that's fine. But that's not what was going to
	happen in Austin, Texas. That's not what has happened at Columbia. That's not what's happening
	at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, outside Chicago. It's a bunch of hooligans who
	want to make trouble and just rage out all over the place in ways that are antithetical to the
	methodology of how a university ought to be run.
	At the University of Texas, which is a total minefield of liberalism, in Austin, which is a total swamp of leftism, the University of Texas actually did it right day before yesterday.
	I wanted to be first in giving them enormous credit for doing so.
	And now, of course, what's happening?
	The president of the university, Jay Hartzell, now under fire from the faculty council.
	They want him fired.
	Some people are never happy.
	Well, I'm happy to grab your calls.
	Let's go to Arizona.
	Dave, hey, Mark Davis, nice to have you on America First.
	Happy Friday.
	Happy Friday.
	Thank you, Mr. Davis.
	Ultra, mega, happy, warrior, dittos from State 48, sir.
	You know it.
	State 48, the last in the contiguous.
	Sir, yes, sir.
	So I had an item that I shared with Mr. G, but as you were talking to Harmeet, I thought of something else I'd like to mention.
	The first item was, of course, I hope everybody's safe.
	Is we gear up the summer of rage in 2024.
	I anticipate this will be a repeat of Somaliopolis back after George Floyd died of an overdose in May of 2020.
	And you know the establishment class absolutely relishes Operation Chaos because they get us in this intersectionality all fighting each other.
	And some people forget that we the people have all the power.
	And it's the psychopathic overlords which we actually need to be holding accountable.
	No doubt.
	So let me ask you, we would all like to think that 2024 will be better, whatever that means, better than 2020 in terms of reliability.
	I'm in a state that not too many people worry about, even though we have some blue counties, blue measles in our red state, but there you are in Arizona, enormously Newsworthy.
	I think about you.
	I think of Michigan.
	I think of Pennsylvania.
	I think of all these other swing states where Trump has a 2, 3, or 5-point lead.
	He better have an 8-point lead.
	It's like playing on the road with crooked refs.
	You've got to play well enough to win by 10 to win by 1.
	What is your level of confidence that we're going to have a result we can believe in in half a year?
	I'm completely confident that the establishment class will steal it again here in State 48.
	We had a Republican Senate, a Republican House, and a Republican Governor until 2023, and they chose not to change anything.
	The one House of Representatives person that was elected in 2022, took power in 2023, was Liz Harris, and she had, I think it was 11 or 13 election security bills.
	As soon as she brought that up, the RINOs, The gilded old pathetic GOP party kicked her out of the roo-
	Final question.
	Final question.
	It's important.
	So we'll put you down as pessimistic and jaded and skeptical, all of which have a foundation in logic.
	I totally get it.
	in a single year in any of the states.
	So I don't have a lot.
	Final question.
	Final question.
	It's important.
	So we'll put you down as pessimistic and jaded and skeptical, all of which have a foundation
	in logic.
	I totally get it.
	I think I might be a smidge more optimistic than you are, but here's what I want to ask
	you.
	Irrespective of where somebody is on that spectrum of optimism, pessimism about how
	2024 is going to go, what we have to do is even if we think that the fix is in, even
	if we think that the forces of cheating are going to be coming out in force, we've got
	to do our absolute damnedest, if you'll excuse me, to show up.
	As Hugh Hewitt once said, if it ain't close, they can't cheat.
	Make their cheating irrelevant with the kind of landslide that we have the power to deliver if we have our act together.
	Will you join me in saying let's have a surprisingly promising result, even for the pessimist, by having enough folks show up that the cheating becomes irrelevant.
	Can I get an amen from you on that?
	Amen, sir.
	I'm in the battle 24-7.
	As I said in 2022, I told Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, Admiral Bannon, that defeating the Great Reset conference in August or July of 2022 that we needed to stop
	believing the press that we were going to get a hundred seats for a
	hundred years. I said we need to treat it like we're ten points down because
	they will do everything to steal it from, I'm going to throw out a
	number, 70% of this country that's conservative. Just most of us are pretty apathetic,
	you know, we do stuff every four years and then we go to sleep on the couch and
	just watch football.
	Bread and circuses, sir.
	That's it.
	Well, listen, thank you so much.
	And Dave, thank you.
	Appreciate your call.
	Thank you very, very much.
	The reason I ask, because this is really important.
	If you find yourself in a state, I mean an actual state, or in a state of dismay, where you're thinking, and listen, I've taken these calls, I know Seb has too, all the national shows have, all the local shows have.
	A call from somebody and it'll go like this.
	They'll say, hey Mark or Dr. Gorka.
	They'll say, you know, I want to win.
	It looks good for Trump.
	The issues are tacking our way.
	How in the world can you argue that it's going well for the Biden economy?
	How in the world can you argue that the country even has a border?
	And you take a look at young people and people of color who seem to be opening their eyes and leaning toward Trump and just all kinds of things look promising.
	But their promise, their optimism, their hope, their very hope, the beam of hope is extinguished by their very jaded, very cynical, very pessimistic view that there's just no point.
	So here's the deal.
	Let's make it a math problem.
	If all y'all get dispirited and throw in the towel, guarantee you Biden wins.
	But if we show up in the way that we're capable of and deliver for Trump the landslide that is at our fingertips, we can make their cheating irrelevant.
	And I prefer option B. Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	It's America First on a Friday.
	and a glad you're here I'm
	on on
	Thank you for watching.
	you Wrapping up the first of our three hours together here on
	Friday on America first with dr. Sebastian Gorka's Seb's back on Monday.
	Mark Davis filling in from Dallas, Fort Worth, where I'm the morning host at 6.60 a.m.
	The Answer.
	Listen, just with a couple of minutes, let me open up the phone lines.
	We'll do a big, fat first segment of calls on stuff.
	Trump's week, college campus chaos, things you don't think have been brought up enough this week, just stuff you want to give some attention to.
	833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752, and we'll have our first segment filled with you and some of my thoughts.
	I will tell you as the hour begins, also, my story right out of Fort Worth.
	And again, I'm in Texas, red state Texas, but a group called LUCA, Latinos United for Conservative Action, love that, they had an event planned This past Saturday, and they rented space in a community center in Fort Worth.
	And a gentleman was coming to town named Abel Garcia.
	And Mr. Garcia was in California at the time, and he thought it would be a really good idea to turn into a woman.
	And that didn't work out so well.
	He got breast surgery and got shot full of hormones and then just took a look at himself one day and said, Good God Almighty, what am I doing to myself?
	And that is what detransitioning is about.
	And the detransitioners are heroes.
	So obviously, ostensibly, the detransitioner speaking engagement is going to attract one side of the transgender politics issue, right?
	Well, that side apparently is forbidden.
	in the city of Fort Worth, Texas.
	Or at least it was on this one day when the Parks and Rec Department shut the event down because the discriminatory views of the group violated their guidelines for renting space.
	And what in the world is discriminatory?
	I mean, everybody was welcome at the event.
	Mr. Garcia believes that transgenderism is a nightmare.
	No matter what color, creed, race, or you are, there's no discrimination to be found at all.
	Ha ha.
	They went to the website of the group and they essentially said, here's what we stand for.
	And there's a lot of scriptural things, which is a trigger for many right off the bat.
	But at one point they said, we do not believe that men should be participating in women's sports.
	Ding, ding, ding.
	And there we have a hook that they were able to latch onto, and the city of Fort Worth was able to shut down this event, cancel this event.
	Congressional candidate John O'Shea, who may well be, if the primary voters smile on him, the successor to Kay Granger in Texas' 12th congressional district, he rescued the event and held it at his offices on Saturday morning.
	And I then wrote a column in the Star-Telegram.
	If you go to Star-Telegram.com, Mark Davis, you'll see I ran yesterday morning.
	The city of Fort Worth has a real First Amendment fumble here.
	And the mayor, Maddie Parker, said she disagreed with the decision.
	It was in the hands of city bureaucrats and the rules were not clear enough.
	So I said, let's make the rules clear.
	No group of any political stripe will have their websites cherry-picked looking for reasons to cancel and shut down their free speech.
	How about that?
	So let's do that.
	So let's work our way into the next hour.
	Welcome you to whatever you want to talk about.
	833-33-GORKA.
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	And Trump has tweeted, Trump is, well he never tweets, Trump is truth socialed about the gag order.
	I'll give you the content of that next.
	All in our next hour on America First.
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	Thank you, Doc.
	Appreciate it.
	Hour number two here on April 26th on the Friday edition of America First.
	Great to have you here.
	One of the great things about live radio or live anything, live TV, Salem News Channel, we're doing it all now, is that you can just sort of make executive decisions and change something on the fly.
	And that's exactly what I just did.
	I just told you the story about Fort Worth and how we had a detransitioning event shut down.
	We got all kinds of, but there was a happy ending because I think they realized the error of their ways, etc, etc.
	We've talked a lot of Trump in the courtroom and we'll get to some college chaos.
	And Mark Lothar joins us here in segment number two.
	In about 15 minutes, he'll be here.
	And he, of course, was a communications director for Trump 2020.
	Want to see what he thinks about the Trump campaign 2024.
	And also, the last time I had a chat with Mark Lotter, in fact, I'll see if he remembers it.
	We were in a tent.
	It was Salem Radio Day.
	And it was before there was any such thing as the news channel.
	And they walked him in, sat him down.
	And as one of Salem's local hosts, I was on the front lawn of the White House
	in the first year of the Trump presidency.
	And they were bringing us all kind of, I mean, Rosa was in the house.
	And it just takes you back to those strange and wonderful days of the early Trump presidency.
	So Lotter came in and sat down, and of course he, at the time, was very joined at the hip with Mike Pence.
	So you could say I have questions.
	I've always loved Mark.
	He'll be with us in the next segment.
	We'll have a great time.
	But let me take care of all of you this weekend with something that I should be able to do that I haven't been able to do for this entire last week.
	And that's go to the movies.
	Hey, the movies.
	Remember the movies?
	And I have to admit, I'm one of those folks.
	Not one of those lazy slugs who just waits for stuff to come out online and just stream it in my house.
	But every once in a while I like to go to the actual theater, kick it old school, and that's what I wanted to do because I had such curiosity about a little thing called Civil War.
	It is about some states that secede, and there's enormous tension, I mean to the point where there's an actual dystopian near-future Civil War.
	And I've heard everything from it's pretty creative and it kind of, you know, pokes around the edges at some things and certainly takes advantage of current tensions, but it doesn't bludgeon you with one particular side with who the heroes are and who the villains are, all the way to people on the other side who have said it is a straight-up Trump assassination porn fantasy.
	So, I don't know, because I haven't seen it yet, but a couple of guys in the crew have.
	Is that Jeff and Alex, you guys have seen it, am I correct?
	Yes, we both saw it.
	Jump ball, go!
	First of all, is it good?
	Alex is the one that liked it.
	I didn't.
	Who do you want first?
	Let's get the contrarian view first.
	Jeff, what was the problem?
	Alright, here was the problem.
	Here's what I'll say about it.
	I didn't think it was like a Trump thing.
	There was very, very few politics in it.
	But I think, though, he did it so much to not get into the politics that the movie didn't make sense.
	That's why I didn't like it.
	Not spoilers or whatever, but it starts off in the middle of a long-going civil war, and there's nothing about how it started, why it's happening.
	You don't even really even know who's fighting each other.
	The way I found out is I went on the Wikipedia page for the film afterwards, and then you see what states are what states.
	Well, here's the weird thing.
	Just as somebody who just saw the preview, the states that secede are Texas and Florida.
	Now, here in my state of Texas, we got a few people who are all in for the secession thing, and I gotta hose them down lovingly every once in a while.
	We need everybody to be a part of America and just fix America.
	But Texas, no, excuse me, Texas and California.
	Which are like, what?
	And they're like, as opposed to the usual scenario of the conservatives want to secede because the federal government is wildly leftist, it seems like these states are seceding because we have an authoritarian third term Trump-like president, right?
	Yeah, but the thing, the problem I had with the third term is they didn't even say why it was.
	If the country's in a civil war, I'm pretty sure the president's going to stay in and they're not going to have another election.
	So, you know, that could have been another part of it.
	But he went so far away to not have the politics to where I think it didn't make sense as, you know, Texas fighting with California.
	But you can't have a war about a civil war and not have any reason how they got there and who's fighting who.
	That's the problem.
	This is fantastic.
	Would you have decidedly respected it more if they said, okay, maybe it's a turn of the coin.
	Liberal states are seceding to avoid an authoritarian conservative president.
	It would have annoyed us politically, but at least it would have made narrative sense.
	It would have made a little bit of sense, yeah.
	Now, I would guess, though, just the one thing is that I was looking at, as people were kind of getting one of the point of it, I think it was made for liberals to kind of say, you don't want a civil war.
	Because it basically predicted a life that they could not exist in at all.
	Everyone's fighting, the people that have guns are controlling everything, your money was useless, and the internet didn't work a lot of the times.
	Oh no!
	So it is a horror film.
	Alright, Alex, go to bat for this piece of filmmaking.
	I don't have much to say about it.
	I mean, I liked it, but I think it's less about politics and more about the portrayal of what a civil war would look like here.
	It was more about the feeling of what would transpire.
	I don't know.
	I've also heard that it is very much kind of a warm kiss for journalism.
	Kirsten Dunst, who I like in most things, is an intrepid reporter.
	And I guess there are still such a thing as intrepid reporters, especially in war zones.
	But it's all about how there's one thing I remember in the trailer that's something like, you're going to Washington, they shoot reporters on site there.
	So do you kind of get the kind of the warm fuzzy blanket for the journalism profession?
	That sounds about right.
	Uh, a warm kiss would be an understatement.
	The journalists were portrayed to be the most honest, decent, bravest people that have ever
	walked the earth.
	Of course.
	All right, all right, all right.
	So, uh, Kirsten Dunst's husband, Kirsten Dunst's husband, Jesse Plemons, another actor
	I like a lot.
	The only thing I've seen from him in the trailer, he's the blonde guy with the big gun and he's
	got, he's drawn down on these people and he says, wait a minute, wait a minute, we're
	Americans.
	And he says, all right, what kind of Americans?
	So is that scene everything it's cracked up to be?
	Is that kind of emblematic of where we are?
	Well, that was the... the thing about that is he's in half the trailer and that's one scene and it's about three minutes.
	That's the only part of the movie that he's in.
	I mean, it was a decent scene, but... What'd you think of it, Alex?
	All together?
	Like the movie?
	The whole thing?
	No, that scene.
	Oh, that scene?
	I mean, it's just hyperbole.
	I don't know.
	They're trying to cast that to be the MAGA conservative, probably, and it's just all hyper... It's blown out of the water.
	It's entertaining, though.
	I mean, I'll give it that.
	So, Alex, does Jeff have a point that it seems to be... It seems to... Because when I saw it, I thought, oh, here we go.
	Here we go.
	This is gonna be... because it's Hollywood!
	I expect to be bludgeoned by a whole lot of Hollywood products, and I'm kind of willing to show up for the beating if there's quality work being done.
	I mean, De Niro is a psychopath, but I'll, you know, still watch him in, you know, Killers of the Flower Moon and stuff like that.
	DiCaprio, please don't get me started.
	So I'm willing to compartmentalize in that way, but what I'm hearing is that it's like they were trying so hard To tiptoe around where they could have gone, that ultimately it just wound up being kind of pablum.
	Unfair?
	Or fair?
	No, that's exactly right.
	They tiptoed around too much.
	You could have actually, if you wanted to do that, you could have put a few right-wing things in that would have caused it, and a few left-wing things that would have caused it.
	You could have put it on both sides, but they didn't even get into that.
	That's why I didn't like it.
	No.
	Okay.
	There was a hint of it.
	They did say that the people occupying the White House disbanded the FBI.
	So it's kind of implied that those are the conservatives in the White House.
	Yeah, and the third term thing, and Nick Offerman, another guy who I sort of, kind of like.
	He looks very Trumpy in the trailers.
	And I know, and again, I want to be very, very careful not to do spoilers because I haven't seen it yet, etc.
	But they do apparently, you know, all these folks, there's a caravan of folks headed for the White House in some massive showdown that I don't want to, that I don't know the results of and I don't want to reveal because I don't, The ending doesn't work because you don't know the beginning or the middle or anything that got you there.
	But I would just say this pushing back on the whole thing was getting rid of the FBI.
	They did have the journalists all hated the president too.
	So, that doesn't make sense, too, you know what I mean?
	Because if you're implying that the president's a right-wing... I mean, if he's supposedly this left-wing fascist, you can't really figure out which one it is.
	I feel like the keepy guess the whole time.
	So did, last thing, I think it was Jason Whitlock, who I like a lot.
	I think there was a tweet from him a few days ago that said, hey, Hollywood made a straight-up Trump assassination fantasy movie and nobody seems to care.
	Do you think he's just wrong about that?
	He's reading too much into it?
	I didn't see that at all.
	And I looked for the politics and everything.
	I went there looking for the politics and I didn't really see it.
	Please, that's what we do for a living.
	We look under every rock.
	All right, gentlemen, thank you.
	Appreciate it a lot.
	And of course, ultimately, To me, and everybody can go at this differently, being really good is insulation for me.
	And I guess really that De Niro and DiCaprio are the best example because Killers of the Flower Moon, that's a seven hour movie and it was great.
	I just loved it.
	It was with three something.
	I mean, Lily Gladstone's great.
	Everybody's great.
	And from, I mean, isn't Alec Baldwin great in every single movie he's in for the most part?
	Oh, by the way, don't we like Alec Baldwin this week for slapping the living daylight?
	Well, he slapped the phone, didn't slap the woman.
	Is that free Palestine, Eric?
	Alec, free Palestine.
	Just say free Palestine once, Alec, and I'll leave you alone.
	I promise, I promise, I promise.
	And he finally just has his fill of it, just goes whoop, knocks the phone right out of her hand, which took me to Twitter to say on this particular instance, I am with Alec Baldwin 100%.
	Alrighty, we will be with Mark Lotter 100% and see what his thoughts are on 2024, because he was certainly steeped in experience on the 2020 campaign.
	And as I talk to Mark, we also want to talk to you.
	833-33-GORKA, Trump's week in court, college chaos, stuff from the week gone by.
	833-33-GORKA to join us.
	Mark Davison for Seb, it's America First on a Friday.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	It is America First!
	I'm Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	He'll be back on Monday.
	He is in my state of Texas.
	He's down the road in Houston where his son Paul is doing an Ironman over the weekend.
	That is just crazy.
	You swim for two and a half miles.
	Let's just stop right there.
	And then you ride a bike for 115 or so.
	And then you get to do a marathon.
	So, wow!
	There's a lot of energy in that family.
	and a lot of energy on today's show as we wrap up the week.
	833-33-GORKA if you want to join us for thoughts in your head about Trump's week in court, Trump's
	prospects for 24, chaos on college campuses, what else has been in the news? It's never a
	shortage. Let's dive in and talk to a gentleman who I've known for some years and been interested
	in and followed and talked to on a couple of occasions. Mark Lotter is here. Mark was a comms
	director for Trump in 2020, very heavily involved in the whole Mike Pence world of 16. And let's
	find out what he's up to now and what his his thoughts are now. Mark Lotter, welcome. How you doing,
	sir?
	I'm doing great, Mark.
	How are you?
	I am fantastic.
	Let me just get your overall thought of your thumb on the pulse of how we're doing right now.
	Everybody who has any shred of Republican DNA should be hoping that Trump is able to get past all of this nonsense, all this courtroom debris and prevail.
	Do you think things are looking good or do you have concerns?
	No, I think things are looking great.
	They're actually looking better now than they were at any point in 2020.
	Think about it this way.
	At no point, not one single day in 2019 or 2020, even before the pandemic, was Donald Trump beating Joe Biden in the RealClearPolitics national average.
	Not a single day.
	He's been leading every day since last September.
	And if you also remember, the final RealClearPolitics average had Joe Biden winning by about seven and a half points, The final difference was about four and a half in the actual vote.
	And so when you see Donald Trump up, well, add four and a half points to it, because that's what he needs for a margin of victory.
	Doesn't matter whether you win the national vote.
	It matters whether you're winning in the swing states.
	He's leading in six of the seven swing states.
	There's one state where he's not leading, but it's less than a half a percentage point.
	And so that's basically a toss up.
	And Donald Trump doesn't have to win them all.
	He only has to win two of them if it's Pennsylvania and Georgia.
	Most situations involve him needing to win three of the swing states, but he's leading in six of the seven, and one of them is so small it's basically a tie.
	And when you go to the numbers, and I want to make sure I get them pretty close to right, is that Biden won, I know, or did he?
	But let's just say that the election was decided by about 40 or 45,000 votes spread across three states.
	So don't believe your vote doesn't matter.
	And if we show up in the kind of force that we're capable of, we can absolutely bring this home.
	Do you think that 2024 is going to be that kind of nail biter?
	Because things are, you're so right.
	He has, I'm trying to remember last time, was it Michigan or Wisconsin where he's behind
	by a hiccup?
	Pennsylvania.
	Excuse me, Pennsylvania.
	Well, God, Pennsylvania looked pretty good in a number of ways recently.
	So I feel good about all of these states.
	And yet, and yet, and yet.
	Right now, Democrats are dispirited because Biden is nearly dead.
	The border is completely dysfunctional.
	The economy is horrible.
	Every issue from crime and punishment, gender sanity, just all kinds of things tend to tack in a Republican direction.
	In the month of October, just to pick a month, something's going to happen.
	Let me ask you about it.
	It's called every Democrat, knowing that Biden is nearly a corpse, knowing that they're losing on every issue, but they're going to look at the opportunity to beat Trump again, and they're going to walk through fire and crawl on broken glass to do it.
	I'm concerned about that.
	What about you?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I mean, we have to make sure that we run up the score so much that they can't do whatever shenanigans they do to take it away.
	And but this is where I think that the advantage falls to us because, you know, Most presidential elections, every presidential election for the last hundred plus years, has had a hypothetical element to it.
	One of the candidates, or both of the candidates, were hypothetical presidents.
	All you had to do was picture them being president.
	Joe Biden basically hid in his basement and said that I'll end the pandemic, I'll work across the aisle, and I won't mean tweet.
	And that's all he needed to do.
	Well, he has a record now, and Donald Trump has a record now, and people correctly remember that, well, let's see, things were cheaper, you had more money in your pocket, gas cost less, groceries cost less, the border was secure, the world was not at war.
	All of those things are true under Donald Trump.
	They're not true under Joe Biden.
	And so when you see union construction workers in downtown Manhattan saying, we're Democrats, we've always been Democrats, we've had enough.
	We can't do it anymore.
	We're voting for Donald Trump.
	We're supporting Donald Trump.
	That is happening all over the country.
	It's happening in the black community.
	It's happening with the Latino community.
	It's happening in the Asian-American community.
	I think it's happening even in the suburbs, where women and where suburban folks are going.
	I mean, I liked everything he tweeted or how he said it, but God, things were cheaper.
	Life was better.
	We didn't have the open border.
	You weren't letting criminals out after they beat up NYPD officers.
	I've just kind of had enough of this left lunacy.
	I'm going back to the policies that worked.
	There is a clip, maybe a month or so ago, where NBC, I believe, went into a black barbershop and talked to a lot of, obviously, black guys.
	And they were young, too, like 25, 30.
	And they remember precisely two presidents, Trump and Biden.
	And it's not like they all wear MAGA hats, but they all said, you know, all other things being equal, the difference between Trump and Biden is under Trump, we had money.
	And results ultimately do matter, and I think that we can count on not just, you know, the MAGA base, and God bless the MAGA base, we're all going to be there, but also people who may not be as politically wired as you are or I am, just saying, look, all other things being equal, we had a border, the economy was better, and here, I want to run this by you.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking me down this little rabbit hole.
	President Trump, with all of his oddities, idiosyncrasies, he is ultimately the normalcy candidate.
	Because the return of Trump will mean normal borders, a more normal economy, the normal idea of punishing people for crime.
	So yes, Trump has this wheels-off persona and the occasional mean tweet, blah blah blah, but it doesn't matter!
	The Trump vote is a vote for a return to normalcy.
	Does that make sense to you?
	That absolutely makes sense.
	Here's the challenge, though.
	And I said this back in 2020, but I think it's even more important now.
	And so everyone here who's listening, and I know you are probably some of the most diehard MAGA faithful that there are, You've got six months, basically.
	So how can you help Donald Trump win?
	Yeah, make sure you go out and vote.
	Make sure your family goes out and votes.
	But here's the challenge for each and every one of you.
	Go out and find ten people in the next six months.
	Ten people who are like, well, my vote doesn't count, or my vote doesn't matter, or I don't know.
	I mean, I've got soccer practice.
	The kids have got to go to gymnastics or softball or whatever the case may be.
	I'll think about it.
	I mean, if things are okay, if the weather's all right, I'll go both.
	No.
	You make sure you get them, whether it's an early vote, an absentee ballot, get them registered if they don't know how to register, and make sure you follow up, make sure that you know who they are, and go, did you get your ballot turned in?
	Did you mail it in?
	Did you drop it off?
	Did you show up on election day?
	Because that's the only way.
	We win on the policies.
	The overwhelming majority of the American people know our policies are better.
	Two-thirds of the American people think that our country's headed in the wrong direction.
	So, you know, maybe we can't donate a million dollars or $1,000 if you can't do it.
	But if you can't, then go out and find 10 people in the next six months who otherwise may not be likely to vote.
	Don't talk to your friends in the MAGA community because they're going to be there anyway.
	We got to go out and go talk to them.
	Talk to them to have them go get 10 people of their own.
	Mark Lotter is here.
	Current business card is chief comms officer at the America First Policy Institute.
	More with Mr. Lotter as we return on America First.
	Mark Davis in for Seb.
	Be right back.
	you you
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	We're talking to Mark Lotter.
	Mark is the Communications Director for the America First Policy Institute.
	Tell me what that is.
	What's America First Policy Institute?
	Well, basically, the American First Policy Institute was born out of the first Trump administration when it became clear that there was not going to be a consecutive second term.
	You know, normally all the smart people go off to academics or get hired by, you know, other think tanks or go to universities.
	And so our president and CEO, Brooke Rollins, Linda McMahon, Larry Kudlow, the great Larry Kudlow, got together and said, let's put all these people in a single room.
	And let's keep the brainpower together because we were the people.
	There were eight cabinet level officials, 20 White House senior staff, 50 senior administration officials who were there doing the actual work in the White House, in the agencies.
	And whether it was President Trump or another America first candidate, they need to get a road map of not only what to do, but how do you actually get it done?
	I mean, I walked into the White House with the president on the first day, January 20th, 2017, after he had taken the oath of office.
	And, you know, we had like 500 people we put, you know, into government.
	We had like one executive order ready to sign.
	Joe Biden had like 2,000 people go in and had 50 executive orders ready to go.
	So we've got to do a better job of getting ready across the board, not just with Trump, but even going back to other Republican administrations.
	We put the brainpower together under one roof to actually put forth an America First agenda, whether it's energy, the economy, securing the border, national security, you name it.
	We've got the leaders from that administration And the researchers doing the hard academic work, putting the numbers together, writing the boring white papers that policy people love to do.
	But they're really important.
	And then the lawyers turn that into legislation and turn that into potential executive actions.
	And so when President Trump hopefully takes office, He will have a menu.
	He will be the one who decides what to do.
	But when he says, I want to do X, we'll say, here's the paper for it.
	Here's the research behind it.
	Here's the legislation for the hill.
	Here's the executive order you should sign or send to the agency so they can get this stuff done.
	And he'll call the shots.
	We'll be ready to go with what you have to do to actually move the levers of government.
	In our remaining couple of minutes, let's do something we can do a couple hours on.
	When you and I first met in 2017, you'd been in the sphere of Mike Pence.
	And help me understand, I will always love Mike.
	He was a great vice president.
	He's a magnificent Christian, a magnificent Republican, a magnificent conservative.
	Did January 6th break him?
	Well, I think, yeah.
	I mean, I think in a certain way it did.
	I mean, I think he felt that his responsibility and the way he understood the law and history required him to do one thing when the vast majority of the American people thought that he could go a different direction.
	And, you know, that's a cross he will bear.
	That's a cross he probably proudly bears.
	but it also probably means that that's the end of his political career as an elected
	official.
	And so, you know, there are times when elected leaders, regardless of party, have to do what
	they consider to be right and suffer the consequences for it, maybe politically.
	In this case, that's the decision he made, and that's obviously the fate that he is probably
	– it looks like he is enduring.
	But we also have an opportunity to grow from it.
	we have to shape what we want to be in the future.
	And I think the American people, I mean, to a certain extent, you know, I've always said,
	you know, if it weren't for Jimmy Carter being so bad, we would have never gotten Ronald
	That's right.
	Well, maybe the American people needed to be reminded how bad liberal policies are.
	We needed Joe Biden to show us how inept he is and how taken over by the woke, now pro-terrorist, anti-Israel left that they have become.
	And my hope is that whether you're in New York City, which we saw yesterday on television, or in Chicago, or in Minnesota, or those union workers in Pennsylvania and Michigan, you sit there and you shake your head and go, nah, that's not me.
	I can't do that anymore.
	You know, I may not put on a MAGA hat, but I'm voting for Trump.
	Precisely right, because results, results matter.
	And the folks at the America First Policy Institute matter as well.
	AmericaFirstPolicy.com.
	Follow Mark Lotter on the old ex-Twitter at Mark underscore Lotter, L-O-T-T-E-R.
	Mark, thanks for the time and the Q&A.
	We really appreciate it.
	God bless and thank you.
	Have a great weekend.
	Alrighty, hey, let's go to another guy I love.
	of John Lott, a Second Amendment hero to me on a bunch of other issues as well, but it's
	Second Amendment Friday on America First with Dr. Gorky.
	I'm Dr. Gorky.
	I'll see you next time.
	Bye.
	Yeah.
	Eh, still bad.
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	part, where it's a pleasure to welcome a gentleman who is just a straight-up Second Amendment hero,
	author of More Guns, Less Crime, They Don't Get More Legendary Than That, and the
	president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, John Lott. Welcome, sir. How are you doing?
	Happy Friday.
	Happy Friday to you.
	It's great to talk to you again, Mark.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Great to have you.
	When we talk about guns, listen, you had the book, More Guns, Less Crime.
	Let's talk about people who are trying to make us believe that there is less crime.
	You wrote a Wall Street Journal piece essentially saying, do not believe some of the folks who are out there posturing that crime is getting better.
	Please explain.
	Right.
	Yeah, I don't know whether it's just ignorance that they don't understand the crime data or there's something more going on there in terms of trying to make people believe things are better than they are, but there have been a number of news articles that have headlines about the fact that Violent crime is going down, but people seem to think it's going up and basically explaining that people are wrong and don't know what they're talking about on this.
	I guess even this morning on ABC News, I was told that somebody was talking to Stephanopoulos and they said that violent crime was increasing and Stephanopoulos accused him of lying.
	But what you have is two different types of data on crime.
	You have the FBI Uniform Crime Report data, and that's crimes that are reported to police.
	But we know for a long time, we've known that most crimes aren't reported to police.
	And so we have something called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which surveys about 240,000 people each year.
	And with that, looks at is both reported and unreported crime.
	It asks people, have you been a victim of crime?
	And then they ask them a long series of questions to get details of exactly what the crime was, when it occurred, how it occurred, what the outcome was, you know, what were the characteristics of the criminal, many other types of detailed data and academics have long made great use of that data.
	But here's the problem.
	Since 2020, those two sets of numbers have gone in opposite directions.
	We've never really seen anything like this.
	And I think there's a simple reason for that.
	And that is law enforcement is basically falling apart in this country.
	And that when people don't think criminals are going to be arrested and convicted, they are less likely than they would have been previously to go to the police and report the crime.
	So I'll give you a simple example.
	If you look at large cities with over a million people in them, between 2015 and 2019, 44% of violent crimes resulted in arrest.
	of violent crimes resulted in arrest.
	It started falling in 2020, and by 2022, just three years later,
	it was down to 20%.
	So arrests for violent crime fell from 44% to 20%.
	I've never seen anything like that even over 20 years or 30 years, let alone over just a few year period of time.
	And of course, just because somebody's arrested doesn't mean that they're going to be charged or prosecuted or convicted.
	And so another way you can look at that is if you look at total crimes, the arrest rate for reported and unreported crimes in those cities, only 8% of violent crimes result in arrest, and only 1% of property crimes result in arrest.
	And so it's not too surprising why, for many of these crimes, people aren't going to report them.
	I mean, you have places like New Orleans.
	I was looking at the data just the other day.
	It's a three-hour average response time for a 911 call.
	We've had a huge cut in the number of police officers, a lot of retirements.
	Obviously, we had cuts in police budgets.
	I mean, New York City in 2020 cut $1 billion a year from their police budget.
	Chicago cut the number of police officers in 2020 alone by 400 positions.
	And you've had a lot of police retire because they don't feel that they're getting the backing that they do.
	And you've also demoralized the police.
	Even one of the reasons why arrests have gone down is that The police have to ask themselves, if they arrest somebody in their immediate release, what's the point of them going and arresting somebody?
	Exactly, exactly right.
	John Lott is here.
	In our remaining couple of minutes, another piece that you've written, just go find everything John Lott ever writes.
	The Biden administration is touting something called the National Extreme Risk Protection Order Resource Center.
	It's all about red flag laws.
	And if you look a millimeter deep, it just sounds so great.
	Hey, Uncle Fred has given off all kinds of strange signals.
	Let's go get his gun so he doesn't shoot up a church.
	But what is wrong and unconstitutional about red flag laws?
	Well, we already have much better laws on the books in all the states and the federal government.
	And that is the civil commitment type laws.
	So if you're concerned that Uncle Fred may go and do something bad, that he may be crazy in some sense, you can call the police.
	And the police will come out.
	that police think that there's a quote reasonable possibility, which is like a 20% chance that,
	in fact, Uncle Fred may be a danger to himself or others, they can bring him in for a psychiatric
	evaluation. If the experts look at him and they think that there's a reasonable chance that that
	will be the case, there can be an immediate hearing. If Uncle Fred can't afford a lawyer,
	one will be provided for him. And then the judge will hear the evidence.
	He'll be cross-examined.
	And if the judge decides that, in fact, Uncle Fred is a danger to themselves or others, the judge has a wide range of options.
	The judge could go and say, look, if you voluntarily go and see a mental health care professional, we'll have you come back in a week or two and reevaluate the situation.
	Or they can take away his driver's license if they think he might drive a car through a crowd of people.
	Or they can take away his gun.
	Or they can involuntarily commit them in the most extreme case.
	The thing with red flag laws, the only thing you have is to take away the person's gun.
	Exactly.
	Preemptively, where we presume it's literally where we, it's like Minority Report, future crime.
	Find everything John Lott writes.
	Follow him on Twitter at Exit John R. Lott Jr.
	President of the Crime Research Center and we so appreciate John Lott, especially on Second Amendment Friday.
	Mark Davis in for Sebastian Gorka.
	Let's do some phone calls next at 833-33-GORKA.
	3333 Gorka. Stick around.
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	All right, this segment and the beginning of the next.
	Alan Dershowitz joins us about 20 minutes into the next hour, so don't miss that.
	Let's go to some calls.
	If you're going to go to Philly, go to a guy named Phil.
	Phil in Philadelphia.
	Mark Davidson for Dr. Gorka.
	Welcome.
	Happy Friday.
	Hey, happy Friday.
	Thanks for taking the call, Mark.
	I just had a suggestion for young Mr. Barron Trump.
	If that judge and that prosecutor won't let your daddy come down to watch you graduate, then take your graduation up to the steps of that courthouse with your mom, get presented your high school diploma, and then sit in court with your dad that day with that diploma on your lap.
	Go out, have a nice dinner.
	And you know what, Barron?
	We love you in Philly, we're very proud of you, and congratulations, young man.
	That was a lot of hard work.
	It sure was, and to have his six, seven frames sidle into that courtroom, that would be—that really makes me want cameras in the courtroom.
	Phil, thank you very, very much.
	Appreciate that.
	I think my other—has that been adjudicated yet?
	Has there been a ruling on whether Trump's going to be able to go to Barron's graduation there at the Academy in Palm Beach?
	It's the midway through May.
	The trial is still going to be going on.
	My bar for civil disobedience is pretty high, but I think it's met here and I think the thing that I would like very much is on the day of Barron's graduation, or actually the day before Barron's graduation, after court action wraps up, the president should make clear in the courthouse lobby, Barron graduates tomorrow and I will be there.
	And then his motorcade goes to the airport and he gets on Trump Force One and goes to the graduation.
	And any constabulary force seeking to interrupt that process will do it with every news camera in America running and he wins 40 states.
	So that would be my thought.
	That would be my thought.
	We've got a lot of thoughts as we go into our final hour, and if you do too, why don't you join us at 833-33-GORKA.
	We'll go to some more calls in the first segment.
	Alan Dershowitz thereafter, and we'll talk.
	And the thing that's great about Dershowitz is those of us who are conservative, those of us who are Republican, those of us who are of the MAGA inkling, We can say these things, and people can say, yeah, but you love Trump because of your conservatism, or you love Trump because of this, you love Trump because of that.
	When people go to bat for Trump, when the occasional Bill Maher rant on his real-time show gives grudging credit to a conservative viewpoint about anti-wokeness or stuff like that, that is of particular value.
	So, Alan Dershowitz has not become a Republican, he has not become a conservative, but he is a pro-constitutionalist, and that still means something.
	He's part of our Next Hour, and so are you, at 833-33-GORKOM.
	Mark Davidson for Seb, be right back.
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	I'm Sebastian Gorka and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
	How gracious of you, Seb.
	Thank you so much.
	Mark Davis from 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth.
	That's where I do the morning show.
	That's where I did the morning show this morning.
	And some of what we, some of the groundwork we laid is some stuff that we've talked about here today on America First.
	And so as we wrap the week up, we're about to welcome Alan Dershowitz, which is going to be great, but we'd also like to welcome you.
	So 833-33-GORKA on the phone, 833-334-6752.
	33 Gorka on the phone 833-334-6752. Ready to take your calls and talk to you about the... let's wrap up.
	Let's tie a bow around the week of topics.
	Let's talk about Trump's week in court and on the campaign trail, because they are one in the same for him.
	Prospects for 24.
	Chaos on college campuses.
	All manner of things to discuss.
	And we're very glad that you are here listening on this Friday, and we appreciate it.
	33 Gorka, 833-334-6752.
	And we're going to hop to your calls here in just a second.
	There has been a... Trump has hopped onto Truth Social.
	Do you violate the gag order by saying, lift the gag order?
	That may be the question before the judge.
	President Trump and his team are requesting New York Judge Juan Marchand, quote, immediately lift the gag order.
	Here's what the Post says.
	45th President Donald J. Trump is again the Republican nominee for President of the United States and is currently dominating in the polls.
	However, he is being inundated by the media with questions because of the rigged Biden trial, which President Trump is not allowed to comment on or answer because of Judge Juan Marchand's unprecedented and unconstitutional gag order.
	His opponents have unlimited rights to question, but he has no right to respond.
	Now, we're almost done here, but note that the Truth Social post is in the third person.
	So it's not like him with a phone in his hand saying, I think this is outrageous.
	I know the judge is out to get me.
	Maybe that's an attempt to distance a little bit and, you know, avoid a gag order sanction.
	I don't know.
	But the president continues, there has never been a situation like this in our country's history.
	A candidate that is not allowed to answer questions, even crooked Joe Biden.
	is talking about the sham case and others inspired by his administration. We request that Judge Mershon
	immediately lift the gag order so that President Trump is able to freely
	state his views, feelings, and policies.
	He is asking for his constitutional right to free speech.
	If it is not granted, this again becomes a rigged election. That is the
	lengthy and pointed truth social post from the Trump camp.
	He is absolutely, obviously right about that.
	And one of the things that I want to talk about is, as we work our way through this entire judicial folly, Joe Biden is allowed to say things.
	And I'll just put this out there.
	Biden was on Howard Stern this morning.
	Don't Get Me Started on Howard, an iconic radio figure.
	There's been a lot to admire there in terms of career.
	There's been a lot that's off-putting, especially early on.
	But then Howard kind of came around and had, he became kind of a kinder, less acerbic, less grotesque in the comedy.
	And there have been moments that, and as an interviewer, he is you know, on Mount Rushmore. But politically, I think Trump
	broke him, or maybe COVID broke him.
	I think he's been in his basement for more than four years now. And he had Biden on. And maybe
	the headline here is that Biden was on any show live. So Biden was on with Howard and said a
	couple of things. And I'll just it's funny because they are both damnable lies that I can cite. And
	and that can be easily, easily debunked.
	Bye.
	But does he even know that they are?
	When you are as senile as Joe Biden is, how much responsibility do you afford?
	I mean, I give him 100% responsibility.
	If he's supposed to be the flipping president and looking for that gig for another four and a fraction years, we have to hold him accountable for, excuse me, for crap he says.
	So I'll tell you what a couple of those were here in a minute.
	And again, Alan Dershowitz coming up.
	But right now on the phones, we are in Minnesota.
	Dan Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	Welcome to America First.
	Happy Friday.
	How are you?
	Hi Mark, you're a great host.
	I enjoy listening to you.
	You're very kind.
	And I hear you on Gallagher.
	You know, do you believe within the Democrat purview or moral code to steal the 24th election?
	Do you think it's within, do you think they're capable in light of the fact they believe in murdering unborn babies and castrating children?
	I know, I know.
	Do you think it's within their moral purview to steal an election coming up this year?
	It's like the sort of the Overton window in philosophy of what is and is not within the bounds of what is conceivable.
	For people who are willing to stand by for the carnage of the unborn, for people who are willing to see children mutilated on radical gender policies, it would seem that stealing an election is comparatively small potatoes.
	The short answer is yes, of course they are willing, of course there will be cheating, and it's a human system so we're not ever going to be able to stop all of it.
	So two things give me optimism for 24.
	One is our eyes are peeled, and they were not as peeled in 2020, they just weren't.
	There's talk of a hundred thousand paid election observers, and of course they'll be smeared as stormtroopers, but people whose job it is To like, you know, walk into a polling place and see if there are 50 Wi-Fi hotspots and ask why that might be.
	People to walk in and just kind of keep an eye on things, provide some level of scrutiny.
	I think that in virtually in my state of Texas, that's been ramped up.
	In some other key states like Georgia, that's been ramped up.
	So there will be more vigilance than there was in 2020.
	The second thing is I pray and I just drop to my knees and pray for this, and that is that those of us who know that we got hosed in 2020 will do the one thing that we have control over, and that's vote and bring 50 people with us, or as many people as we can.
	Mark, can I ask you a follow-up question?
	so that as Hugh Hewitt once said, you know, if it ain't close, they can't cheat.
	Of course they can, but their cheating becomes irrelevant.
	If Trump has to fight hard and win Pennsylvania by five in order to win it
	by one, then doggone it, that's what we do. What about you? What do you think?
	Mark, can I ask you a follow-up question?
	Sure, please. Of course.
	So, I know that at one point, and although I know you to love the Lord,
	I know you to love the country, I guess I'm really perplexed how you wouldn't at
	least admit that the evidence supporting the stealing of the 2020 election is overwhelming.
	The amount of mountain of evidence Dan, real quick, Dan, the premise of your question is flawed.
	I've spent every day since 2020 saying that the result was unsatisfactory, unacceptable, flawed, dashed against the rocks by COVID panic, resulting in countless votes being counted that should not have been.
	So I don't know if you've confused me with someone, but continue.
	You were proclaiming the fact that Leshan was not stolen in light of the fact of the 2,000 mule trailer.
	I mean, 2,000 mules and other great men who stood and risked everything, like Mike Lindell, to show the world it was stolen.
	Well, Dan, I think it's possible to believe in the flaws of 2020 and state them vociferously, as I have, and maybe not make 2,000 mules my Bible, even though I love Dinesh and I love Mike.
	So, again, this sounds like some kind of weird personal thing that you have, and so I'll leave you to that, and let's focus on the brotherhood that we share.
	And that is to avoid getting hosed in 2024 as we did in 2020.
	Love ya!
	So again, telephone number is 833-33-GORKA.
	833-33-GORKA.
	In the Trump trials that lie ahead, in the various things that are going to happen in that courtroom, inside and outside, in all the things that are going to be played out, Trump is restrained from campaigning.
	He is going to have, but it's funny, is he restrained in campaigning?
	Yes.
	Geographically, yes.
	Strategically, no.
	Because we have that glorious day.
	where uh he went to the bodega and was cheered as a conquering hero in harlem and then the visit with the construction workers yesterday morning just another magnificent w and um it's so he and there will apparently be a madison square garden uh A rally featuring Trump?
	Boy, I mean, only Billy Joel can pack him into Madison Square Garden like Donald Trump.
	So, Biden on Howard Stern.
	First thing was, and I listened for like three minutes and already caught two enormous whoppers.
	One was that Trump refused to go to a veteran's cemetery because he referred to the people buried therein as suckers and losers.
	There is zero, zero evidence that that happened.
	Yet the Biden administration continues to spout it as if it is gospel.
	And the other is, we have a different set of values.
	No joke.
	He says that if he doesn't win, there's going to be a bloodbath.
	My dog knows that the bloodbath comment was an economic reference to if China is able to ship cheap electronic vehicles across the Mexican border.
	He is a liar.
	And whether he knows about it or not, he will be held accountable for that.
	Alan Dershowitz up next, so how do you not love that?
	That's Mark Davidson for Dr. Gorka on America First.
	Thank you.
	We could apply that to all kinds of things in today's list of talk show topics.
	What a pleasure it is here on America First with Dr. Gorka.
	I'm Mark Davis filling in for Seb.
	He's back on Monday.
	But if ever I'm just doing cable laps and I just all of a sudden go, oh, there's Alan Dershowitz, I stop no matter what I'm doing because I know it's going to be interesting.
	And as I said earlier, those of us who are dyed-in-the-wool conservatives, those of us
	who are wearing MAGA hats, those of us who are all in for Trump, we can say certain things
	about his travails in the courtroom and they go, well, you're just a Trump supporter.
	But when the occasional Bill Maher sticks up for fighting the woke mind virus, or when
	the great attorney legacy...
	of Alan Dershowitz is brought to bear on all kinds of things, some of which are
	counterintuitive to his political leanings. It just makes it worth even
	more. So it's a real pleasure to say hello to Professor Alan Dershowitz. How are you, sir?
	I'm doing good. Miss Sebb, tell him we can't wait to have him back.
	Oh, you'll love... you know why he's out today?
	His son, Paul, is in Houston doing an Ironman.
	Swimming for two miles, biking for 115, and then running a marathon.
	My niece did an Ironman and met her husband, who was an Ironman.
	So, Ironman married Ironwoman and they have some iron children.
	Iron sharpens iron in all kinds of ways.
	Well, I'm glad I mentioned that.
	Listen, we have an easy half a dozen books to sell.
	That's just in the last couple of years.
	And they may all cover all the top-of-mind topics.
	Trump in court, the war on woke, etc., etc.
	But as this week comes to an end, let me just ask you about what has happened reputationally to Alvin Bragg's case against Trump in Manhattan.
	It never was a case, but right now it's falling apart.
	And you want to hear something interesting that people aren't aware of, and that is the Court of Appeals decision yesterday in the Weinstein case.
	As you know, they threw out the conviction of Weinstein on the ground that the judge had allowed in too much evidence of uncharged crimes.
	And that's exactly what's happening in the Trump case.
	In New York, the court is admitting evidence, the pecker evidence, still crime in the pecker evidence, There's no crime to pay hush money, and I suspect that there is a conviction, and it's in New York, so there's likely to be a conviction by a jury that was picked out of a jury pool, 85% of whom hate Trump.
	But I suspect the courts will reverse it on the same ground that they reversed the Harvey Weinstein conviction.
	So if there is a conviction, how do the wheels of appeal, I consider all these things to move at a glacier's pace, and I won't make you a political consultant about how that affects the re-election, but just how do the wheels of justice work if he is indeed convicted, which looks like a better than 50-50 chance, what does he, what is he then able to do?
	He moves for an immediate expedited appeal on the ground that the prosecutors in all these cases are trying to expedite the conviction. If they're going to
	try to expedite the conviction, he has the right to an expedited appeal. And it should be
	argued like two weeks after the conviction, and the decision should come down after that,
	so that they don't get a situation, which is what prosecutors want, that he's convicted, that
	it affects some of the independent voters negatively, and then it's reversed after
	the election, no harm, no foul.
	That can't be allowed to happen. And so an expedited appeal would be the way to go,
	and I think the courts would have no choice but to grant it.
	you.
	There is an abiding thought across political lines that of the various cases against Trump, some of them election-related in Washington, January 6th-related in Washington, election-related in Georgia, documents-related in Florida, that this one is in fact the weakest.
	Do you share that view?
	Oh, weak is not the right word.
	This is a non-existent case.
	There is no crime.
	What happened is they took a minor misdemeanor that was barred by the statute of limitations and performed a resurrection miracle.
	They brought it alive after the statute of limitations had been expired by saying that his psychoanalytic purpose in doing this, and I have to go to the inside of his mind, was to help his election, and therefore it was federal election crime.
	Although the federal government didn't charge it, the Federal Election Commission didn't charge it.
	It's not only a non-crime, it's unethical behavior by the prosecution to have brought this case.
	It's the prosecutor who ought to be in trial in front of an ethics committee rather than Donald Trump on this one.
	I want to send everybody to the Alan Dershowitz book, Get Trump, The Threat to Civil Liberties, Due Process, and Our Constitutional Rule of Law.
	Those same people who are sort of grading and ranking the gravity of the cases say that the documents case in Florida is the strongest.
	Is that also a view you share?
	It's a smoking cigarette butt.
	Let me tell you what I mean.
	It's smoking because they have evidence that he waved a piece of material in front of somebody saying it was classified.
	I could have declassified it and I didn't.
	So that's pretty darn good evidence.
	But it's a minor, minor, minor crime.
	It's a cigarette, but it's not a gun.
	I mean, every, every major public official Who had access to classified material, took some home with them after they left office.
	We know that.
	And they went after him selectively.
	Legally, there's no difference between what he did and what President Biden did.
	There may be differences in their attitude and their approach and how nice they were to the government, but those aren't crimes.
	So it is the strongest case evidentially, but it's the weakest case in terms of if there were a conviction.
	Professor Alan Dershowitz is here, and just as Bill O'Reilly has his Killing Series, we may now have the Alan Dershowitz War On Series.
	In our next segment, we'll talk about the war on Jews, talk a little bit about anti-Semitism, but let me send everybody to War on Woke, why the new McCarthyism is more dangerous than the old.
	Some of us, it was a little before I was born, you were still on the planet, but the Army McCarthy hearings and We've been bludgeoned with that forever.
	Properly so, that was bad.
	The House Un-American Activities Committee, all the stigma of that.
	But why is that?
	What is the new McCarthyism?
	And why is it more toxic?
	Well, it's much more toxic because it represents the future.
	The old McCarthyism represented the past.
	People were asking whether or not people had been in the Communist Party in the 1930s.
	I was involved in that because I was the president of the student body at Brooklyn College when McCarthyism was very, very evident there.
	And one of the professors who I wrangled with was a man named Eugene Scalia, who had an interesting son named Nino Scalia.
	And that's how I got to know Nino, through his father, originally.
	But the New McCarthy is much more dangerous, because it involves young people.
	Look, we'll move on to the next issue.
	There's a guy at Columbia with a leader, the leader of the Columbia occupation, who says Jews and Zionists don't deserve to live.
	You're lucky that I haven't decided to kill them now.
	He's the leader of the... You know what he said his goal is?
	To run for Congress.
	And he'll get elected.
	Of course.
	And why not?
	He'll get elected.
	And so that's why it's so much more dangerous.
	It's our future.
	And I don't mind for a couple of minutes and then we'll just continue because there's probably one more segment with Alan Dershowitz.
	Let's talk a little bit about War on the Jews, which came out in December, I mean, with memories of October 7th, even fresher than they are now.
	And I think the subtitle is something about how to stop Hamas.
	How in the world do you stop Hamas?
	Beat them.
	You do what we did to Japan and Germany.
	you destroy them totally from top to bottom.
	Hamas, the way we destroyed the Nazi party and the fascist regime,
	and then the people will love you, you know?
	Some people say, oh, if you bomb them, they will turn into terrorists.
	That's not what happened to Japan and Germany.
	We bombed the hell out of Japan and Germany.
	And they realized that it was their leaders who brought this about,
	and they turned into America's best friends.
	That will happen if Hamas is defeated, but it won't happen if they're allowed.
	Let me pause on that.
	Let me take that as the entrance ramp to a couple of other offshoots on how that happens and the anti-Semitism sprawling across our campuses, and a couple of other things with Professor Alan Dershowitz as we continue for one more segment.
	We're very grateful.
	Here on America First with Dr. Gorka, Mark Davis filling in.
	Be right back with Dr. Dershowitz.
	Welcome back to another episode of the Dershowitz Show.
	Today we're talking about the new technology, the new technology.
	And we're going to talk about the new technology, the new technology.
	Thank you, Doctor.
	Dr. Gorka back on Monday.
	Mark Davis from 660 AM, The Answer.
	Happy morning, host, here in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	Blessed to be here for Dr. Gorka and particularly fortunate to have the occasion to spend some time with Alan Dershowitz.
	War Unwoke, we just talked about that.
	Get Trump, we just talked about that.
	War Against the Jews, How to End Hamas Barbarism.
	Alan, it came out in December.
	Did you write that as the attacks were happening?
	I know how long it takes to turn a book around.
	I did. I called my publisher on October 7th while the attacks were taking place.
	I said, I have to do this book. He said, if you can get it to me in 30 days,
	I'll have it published in 60. I got it to him in 28 days and he published it in 58 days.
	I've written a book since, War Unwoke, and I'm working on another one now called The
	Death of the American University, which is growing how it was happening at Columbia and other schools.
	Let's tie them all together because it is rampant antisemitism on display.
	One of two things is true.
	Of course, thank you.
	There's no accident that the people who show up waving Israeli flags tend to love America, and a lot of the folks showing up to wave Palestinian flags hate America.
	That's not by accident, is it?
	No, it's not.
	And they're clear about it.
	They say we call for revolution.
	Death to America.
	They're flying.
	They're burning American flags.
	These are the same people who did occupy Wall Street, and they're radicals.
	They're old-fashioned.
	We used to call them communists.
	Now we call them anarchists.
	They hate America.
	They want to bring America down.
	They use any conflict as an opportunity to try to destroy America.
	And they're supported by foreign governments.
	Don't you think Russia and China and Iran Well, I know North Korea love what's going on in American universities now.
	They don't care about the Palestinians.
	They care about bringing down America.
	So, since that's true, let me, I don't want to make it all about you, yet you intrigue me.
	And I was just during the break talking about how we all value Alan, because Alan is a legendary Hillary voting Democrat, yet rushes to Trump's constitutional defense.
	And I'm not looking to get the admission from you and make a headline right now, but on what basis would you vote for Biden?
	I know you differ with Trump on some political, I think you're pro-choice, I think maybe some other things, but from the stuff that you're writing about.
	Israel, the woke-mind virus.
	These things only get worse if you are a Biden voter.
	So, do I sense the direction you may go?
	It may be.
	I am at the moment not a Biden voter.
	I am an open-minded person who will wait and see what Biden does.
	Right now, if we had the election today, I could not bring myself to vote for Biden.
	I don't know who I would vote for, but, you know, I'm like many, many pro-Israel Democrats, former Democrats, questioning Democrats.
	I have an open mind.
	I want them, whoever wants me to vote for them, has to earn my vote.
	Let's flip the coin, because there are a lot of people like you.
	What is a thing or two that is a barrier to just becoming a Trump voter?
	Abortion, gay rights.
	Now, I spoke to Trump about those things.
	And he said to me, look, those are not my major issues.
	My major issues are the economy.
	My major issues are foreign policy.
	I want to leave abortion to the states.
	And he's always been a supporter of gay rights, so it's possible he may be able to earn... So, and isn't that constitutionally correct?
	Aren't we in post-Roe v. Wade exactly where pro-lifers and pro-choicers can at least, they're not together on the issue, but can at least appreciate that the states can be a laboratory for whatever policies they like?
	Within limits.
	Within limits.
	For example, there are some states that are now thinking of banning abortion based on a morning-after pill.
	And the American public won't stand for that.
	And I think the people of the states won't stand for that.
	There's a good argument that it's up to the states.
	Look, I was an opponent of Roe vs. Wade in 1973.
	I support a woman's right to choose, but I really thought that The court had gone too far in constitutionalizing that right.
	Also, you know, overruling Bo v. Wade, as the Supreme Court did recently, was a gift to the Democrats and hurt the Republican Party enormously.
	So, you know, these are complicated issues.
	That's why I have an open mind.
	What I don't have an open mind on is the toleration of these advocates of mass murder that we're hearing on college campuses today, and I want to hear both candidates speak on that issue.
	I have experience on this.
	I represented on free speech, purely on free speech.
	Got about 30 seconds.
	Go ahead.
	Right.
	A lot of advocates of bad things in the 1970s, and some of those people went on to become terrorists.
	So I am giving a warning now that people at Columbia University and at USC and other schools, some of them will ultimately Not only say we are Hamas, but we'll help Hamas engage in terrorism against American citizens.
	That's why we have to be so concerned about what's going on.
	It doesn't only endanger Jews, it engages every American.
	What a gift you are to the discourse.
	Thank you so much, sir.
	War Unwoke, War Against the Jews, anything Alan writes, read it and you'll be well served.
	Mark Davis in for Seb Gorka back in a moment.
	Thanks for watching!
	You You
	You I gotta tell ya, Alan Dershowitz is a national treasure.
	I'm gonna go with, we just turned him into an official Trump voter.
	I'm gonna go with that.
	I'm gonna go with that headline.
	I mean, I think he's going to.
	I think he knows he has.
	Listen, if there's anything Alan cares about, it's the stuff he writes about.
	It's almost biblical.
	What are you passionate about?
	It's what your treasure goes to, what you spend money on.
	That shows what means something to you.
	In Alan's particular case as well, if he's writing about it, he's obviously passionate about it.
	And what are his last two books about?
	Fighting the woke mind virus and vicious anti-Semitism.
	Which candidate do you think is in better harmony with him on those?
	And even on the thing, I asked him, what's like your biggest obstacle against voting
	for Trump?
	And he said, it's because he's pro-choice.
	Hey, go be pro-choice!
	For now, until we get to the point where we can have a pro-life constitutional amendment,
	which I would love to have, by the way.
	It ain't gonna happen this year.
	It ain't gonna happen next year.
	It might not happen while I'm alive.
	But that is what all pro-life energies should be pointed toward.
	But as a constitutionalist, he knew that Roe v. Wade was constitutional fiction.
	And I would always call on the honest pro-choicers who listen to me over the years to say, look, you can feel the way you want to feel.
	You can be dismissive about life in the womb.
	You get to do that.
	That's your opinion.
	But don't tell me that your opinion is in the Constitution, because it's not.
	Abortion rights were never in the Constitution, so the Dobbs decision overturning Roe was exactly the right thing to do, and I've spent years saying that.
	I don't want Roe overturned because I'm pro-life, I would say.
	I mean, that's my rooting interest, but the reason I can argue coherently that Roe v. Wade should be overturned is because there objectively is no right to abortion in the Constitution.
	Period.
	Paragraph.
	That's it.
	Love me some Alan Dershowitz.
	He made a reference to somebody.
	Shall we play a clip just so you know he's not making stuff up?
	This is Kumani James, one of the leaders of the protests at Columbia, and take a look at the charm this guy brings to the table.
	Why would we want people who are supporters of genocide to live?
	I'm confused!
	Someone, in the chat, right now, should people who are supporters of genocide, should Zionists, aka Nazis, white supremacists, should they live?
	Should they live?
	Zionists, along with all white supremacists, need to not exist because they actively kill and harm vulnerable people.
	They stop the world from progressing.
	Oh, okay.
	Thank you.
	What?
	Thank you.
	And so, be glad, be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering Zionists.
	First of all, this guy may have multiple issues and one of them might make an actual walk
	through Rafa very interesting for him, shall we say?
	This is just so you know that we're not making stuff up.
	In fact, there's a term, I always say that my local show in DFW, and anytime I show up, is a words mean things kind of environment.
	I really, really believe that words mean things.
	Words are our precious stock in trade in this industry, and just as people in interacting with each other.
	And so I wondered whether at what point it was time to start calling some of these demonstrations pro-Hamas.
	Yeah, there's pro-Palestinian.
	I got a little bit of pushback initially.
	Hey, Mark, they would say, is every pro-Palestinian demonstration necessarily pro-Hamas?
	And of course, not all of them are, but the ones that have been in the news are.
	Think about it.
	Ceasefire now.
	Any demonstration calls for a ceasefire now.
	Pro-Hamas.
	Because that's how Hamas survives another day.
	That's how they retool, brush themselves off.
	It's an active desire for Israel not to finish the war.
	Two-state solution is pro-Hamas right now.
	Because this is the blood-stained, blood-soaked leadership of the Palestinian movement.
	So is it possible to argue various arcane angles of the Palestinian side of a global land dispute?
	Of course it is.
	Is it possible to do that while distancing from the horrors of October 7th?
	Yes, it is.
	But where are the people doing it?
	I know there are some, but not on college campuses there aren't.
	Oh, speaking of which, got time for this?
	Sure I do.
	Let me tell you what happened right here in my neck of the woods.
	It's a big state.
	It's three hours away, but still my neck of the woods.
	You know what's happened at Columbia.
	Did you catch what happened at the University of Texas, where they were going to have a build as a pro-Palestinian event, and the university shut it down the night before.
	The dean of students said, yeah, your event is canceled.
	And he didn't do that to be obnoxious or to practice viewpoint discrimination or to cancel something he disagreed with.
	The organizers themselves in their Instagram posts said, hey, we're going to take back the campus, bring your tents, bring your masks.
	We have solidarity with our comrades, comrades, at Columbia.
	And the folks at UT look, this is University of Texas, which is a liberal haven.
	a college minefield in the city of Austin, which is a leftist cesspool.
	But even this university president had the clarity to say, nope, not here.
	We're not.
	So they shut it down.
	So you probably then saw some of the cops in riot gear and some of them on horseback involved in some fairly tense conflagrations with students.
	And everybody said, oh, you know, there should have been de-escalation.
	We're always looking for de-escalation.
	And by the way, de-escalation is lovely.
	But who escalated?
	The escalation occurred when people showed up in violation of a forbidden event.
	So you want to talk about who escalated?
	It's the folks who showed up against the campuses.
	And by the way, the university president then said, I want to thank the police officers for doing the right thing.
	And so immediately, the University of Texas Faculty Council is now looking to have the university president ousted.
	You can't make this stuff up.
	Nor this.
	So we got 42 seconds.
	Let's do.
	Cut one.
	Trump outside of court saying everybody talk Charlottesville, Charlottesville, Charlottesville.
	Let's talk about Charlottesville versus what's happening in the protests right now.
	Biden is sending an absolutely horrible message.
	Horrible, horrible message.
	He has no idea how to message.
	He can't speak.
	He can't put two sentences together.
	He doesn't know what to do.
	This is not our president.
	This is somebody that shouldn't be doing what he's doing because he can't do it.
	He can't do it well.
	We're having protests all over.
	He was talking about Charlottesville.
	Charlottesville was a little peanut.
	And it was nothing compared, and the hate wasn't the kind of hate that you have here.
	This is tremendous hate, and we have a man that can't talk about it because he doesn't understand it.
	He doesn't understand what's going on with our country.
	He doesn't understand that all over the world we're being laughed at as a country because of him and his administration.
	So I just want to arm you with some things that Biden is saying and his minions are saying with regard to Charlottesville.
	The both sides hoax.
	Hoax that Trump said as the tiki torch wielding white supremacist.
	We're saying that you're a good people on both sides.
	Total lie.
	The both sides that were good people were folks who were for and against the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue.
	That's the truth.
	Democrats won't tell you that.
	Biden won't tell you that.
	I'll tell you some final things in the final segment next on America First.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
	We are going to have a discussion on the importance of the art of reading.
	We're going to have a discussion on the importance of reading.
	Mark Davis filling in.
	Let's knock out a final call and then head into the weekend, shall we?
	Steven, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Welcome to America First.
	How you doing?
	You get to take us out.
	What you got?
	Doing well.
	Howdy, Mark.
	Great.
	I noticed today that the Democrat Convention is in Chicago.
	Yep.
	In August.
	I'm old enough to remember the 1968 Chicago Democrat Convention.
	And as much chaos as there is out there with the Palestinian issue and what's going on with the Democrat Party, I expect it to be just as wild as it was back then.
	I remember rioting in the streets.
	And you will see it again.
	And in 1968, you're thinking, well, why would all these supposed Democrat-leaning voters protest the Democrat Convention?
	It's because they were horribly displeased that the party, you know, the party of LBJ, even though he wasn't running anymore, was going to be the party of Hubert Humphrey, was way too fond of, you know, warmongering in Vietnam.
	At least that's the way they viewed it.
	This time, it is going... and that was probably a view of maybe 30% of young Democrat voters.
	I don't know.
	We're going to find out what the percentage is of young Democrat voters who are absolutely furious with the Biden administration for helping Israel at all.
	They have, and time is short.
	So Steven, let me just thank you for that.
	And I'll use that as a point of departure and get on out of Dodge here.
	The Biden folks have painted themselves into quite the corner. They started
	out on October 7th supporting Israel, but then realized that talking that good game and walking
	the walk and talking the talk was something that was not going to work well for them because
	there is a Hamas wing of the Democrat party. The squad wasn't going to let them support Israel.
	The suburbs of Detroit, you know, were not going to let them support Israel.
	And as such, college campuses, we're not going to let them get away with supporting Israel.
	So that's why we have Antony Blinken doing shuttle diplomacy every five or six days to go over to Israel and say, hey guys, stop winning the war.
	This winning the war thing, it's just the optics of that are just triggering for us and a lot of our voter base.
	So we can't have you do that.
	This is how you get Chuck Schumer.
	on the floor of the senate saying we need a new that that prime minister netanyahu has lost his way lost his way prime minister netanyahu is trying to win a war against a terrorist faction that is trying to wipe his country off the face of the earth they have painted themselves into a profound moral fog And I believe that they will pay a price for it.
	Now, enough of a price to where Biden is easily beatable.
	I don't pretend that.
	I don't pretend that even all the economic stuff and border stuff and other things that are headed our way, that they are necessarily going to result in a Trump landslide.
	It could be.
	As I've said, I was sort of playing around with this earlier.
	He could win 40 states.
	There's a wide swath of possibilities that could happen.
	And it's ultimately up to you.
	That's up to me, too.
	It's up to Seb, too.
	Those of us who have shows, we need to start really ramping up the efforts that we're making to bring truth to you and bring facts to you so we can work on low-information voters.
	But ultimately, it's up to you.
	So you're going to be a Trump voter?
	Good.
	Take 10 people with you to do the same.
	You've got a few months to work on that.
	Thank you so much to Eric and Jeff and Guy and John and Alex.
	And thank you, Dr. Gorko.
	I'll be listening to you on Monday, back whenever you guys call.
	Mark Davis, in for Seb, on America First.
	God bless America.

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