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	What's it like seeing so many Republicans in Manhattan, so many Trump supporters in Manhattan?
	Is that surprising?
	No, not at all.
	It's turning now.
	Trump's turn again.
	What's your message to Joe Biden?
	F*** you.
	When I saw that this morning from a colleague I'm not familiar with, Addison Smith at Newsmax.
	He was in Manhattan super early at 4 a.m.
	talking to the construction workers.
	Dude, that is real, real journalism.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, your host for the next three hours here on America First.
	He spoke to another construction worker in Manhattan.
	I presume it's near to the court where President Trump is being persecuted.
	Let's listen to that American patriot.
	A lot of people are talking about how unusual it is to see so many Trump supporters in Manhattan at 4, 5, 6 in the morning.
	Does that surprise you?
	No, absolutely not.
	Demographics have changed.
	The administration that's in there right now isn't doing what they're supposed to be doing.
	They're not taking care of American people.
	So we need somebody in there to take care of American people.
	That's it.
	What's your message to Joe Biden?
	Joe Biden?
	Give it up.
	Jeff, was it you who was saying in the pre-production meeting about the steam fitters?
	Was it you or Eric who was saying that?
	That was me.
	Okay, so tell me about the steam fitters.
	Yeah, he was on Fox today, and he said that he did a sample with 9,000 workers in his union, and they are supporting Trump 3 to 1.
	And he says as it gets closer to the election, that's gonna be a big part of who he tells his whole union to endorse.
	Am I reading too much into this stuff, guys?
	Jeff?
	Eric?
	Not when it's every day.
	Eric?
	The worker stuff absolutely is very, very important, because those are the people who actually come out to vote.
	As fun as the Harlem clip was, I hate to say it, that kid is too young to vote.
	But when you're talking about adults who can vote, and these workers who generally vote Democrat, yeah, that's huge.
	Well, let's play the Harlem clip again, because it is that little kid, that 10-year-old kid, and then the little girl behind her.
	And then the adults pick up the chant as well, so I can't get enough of it.
	Let's play that again, guys.
	I love you Trump!
	I love you Trump!
	We love Trump!
	And please indulge me.
	That first cut, the one we had to beep out, just one more time and then I promise you I'll give you a mini monologue.
	Please Eric.
	What's it like seeing so many Republicans in Manhattan, so many Trump supporters in Manhattan?
	Is that surprising?
	No, not at all.
	It's turning now.
	Trump's turn again.
	What's your message to Joe Biden?
	F*** you.
	Just the way he spits it into the microphone and turns his head and then walks off to work.
	I'm sorry, that just makes my heart warm.
	Okay.
	Special show today.
	We're going to have Jim Jordan on.
	We're going to have Matt Boyle, the great Julie Kelly, and Horace Cooper in studio to talk about black America, Biden and Trump.
	But first, how many left-wing friends do you have, Eric?
	Do you have any Democrat friends?
	Um, probably less than three.
	Okay, that's pretty precise.
	Alex, any Democrat friends?
	Not relatives, friends.
	Unfortunately, yes.
	Oh!
	Alright, we'll talk about that later.
	Mr. G?
	Got a few.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Do you talk to them?
	A little bit.
	People I grew up with.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, yeah, I can get that.
	Okay.
	So, I have some Democrat relatives by marriage, but I don't have a lot of Democrat friends.
	I don't think I have any.
	Except if you count those who call themselves Democrats, but who really aren't.
	And I have a special place in my heart for two Brits who host my favorite international podcast.
	Domestically, I have other favorites, but Trigonometry out of the UK is an excellent podcast.
	And if you ask these gentlemen, at least when they launched it five years ago, they would say they're men of the left.
	They were stand-up comics.
	At least today they'd probably say they're not conservatives.
	But after a few adult libations and a few cigars into the wee hours of the morning when they were staying with me last, I broke down those barriers and it got to such a point that, well, this is the latest interview.
	It's with a kind of left-wing lady who, likewise, is coming over to our side.
	Intelligent woman called Louise Perry, who's kind of dismantling the insanity that is modern feminism with her books.
	And they just interviewed her again.
	And I was listening to the show this morning, and there was one moment at the beginning where she was talking about what she really believes and how she has to hide it from people.
	And their reaction Constantine Kissin and Francis Foster's reaction is something you need to listen to, because we need to leverage this sentiment amongst those who think they're of the left, but who are slowly waking up.
	Please listen closely to Louise Perry, Constantine Kissin, and Francis Foster.
	Do you know what's interesting about, isn't, I just think it's such an interesting thing about the modern world in general where I think lots of people who are in the public eye to any extent now, we have like a thing we say in public and then there's the thing we will say to our children.
	Yeah, or our friends, or, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, it's true.
	Yeah.
	And almost always, almost always, the thing that people are saying in private is more right-wing.
	That's what they're saying publicly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That is absolutely spot-on.
	That is so spot-on.
	That's why everybody's terrified that people are going to get access to their WhatsApps or their Telegrams.
	Indeed, yeah.
	Because then they'll just get outed as, like, this right-wing person.
	Forget the label Right Wing, they'll be outed as standing up for the truth.
	That 43 second clip is golden.
	It's dynamite.
	Because how many tens of millions of people are living that life of a lie, where behind closed doors, with their children, with people they can trust, their family, they say, Yeah, men shouldn't be allowed to pretend to be fake women.
	Or, we need borders.
	Or, why are they soft on criminals in Democrat cities?
	But they won't say that in public.
	For fear of what?
	Being labeled a conservative?
	That's our entry point.
	That's the thin end of the wedge for those of us who have the moral courage to say those true things publicly.
	We have to show everyone else who believes those things privately that not only is it okay to believe them, it is essential, it is a moral necessity That they vouch those things publicly.
	That they stand up for those truths.
	Like those construction workers in Manhattan who say, Nope!
	Sorry!
	Guy in the White House is destroying America!
	We need President Trump back!
	It's just a question of courage.
	We need to show them That it is essential to tell the truth publicly.
	If enough of us do that and act as the catalyst, we can only but win on November 5th and beyond.
	Be that catalyst.
	Allow those people to come out into the open, because you've shown them the way.
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	Right.
	Cuts 3, 4 and 14.
	Let me ask you about January 6th.
	Are you still pursuing January 6th cases?
	We had a strange number of January 6th cases.
	3, 4 and what? 14.
	Is there anything else we should add?
	3, 4, and 14, you said?
	Yeah.
	Is there anything else?
	One more.
	What else?
	Maybe one of the Trump cuts?
	11 or 12?
	The union guy.
	Oh, I've done those.
	I did those this morning.
	How about Tyrus?
	I don't like him, but that's a good cut, right?
	Why don't you like him?
	He's a meathead.
	He's good on gut film.
	Alright, let's do him as well.
	Go ahead.
	So, 3...
	What a surprise.
	Six months from the election and FBI Director Chris Wray is still investigating more January 6 cases.
	Four.
	Well, well, well.
	Michael Avenatti standing up for President Trump in an interview from prison.
	Next line.
	I wonder why.
	Seven.
	Tyrus gives us clarity on who the real terrorists are.
	And then 14.
	Listen to this exchange between Aunt Louise Perry And my friends at Constantine Kissin and at Francis Foster.
	Next line.
	Deep down, everyone who believes in the truth is a conservative.
	Next line.
	We just have to give them the courage to admit it in public.
	Alright, come in with 11.
	Do we have Matt?
	Yep, can you hear me?
	Hey Matt!
	Hey Dr. G, what's going on?
	What are you working on?
	All sorts of things.
	Yeah?
	Yep, all sorts of things.
	All right, let's come in with cut 11.
	I'll do the cruise and then we'll talk about Speaker Johnson and I'll probably play that cut as well.
	Where is that?
	The one of him?
	Yeah.
	Where is that?
	Where's Johnson?
	We had a cut from Johnson, didn't we?
	Not Johnson himself, it was people talking about Johnson.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Karen Finney cut 10.
	Well, Aaron Burnett is also Mike Johnson.
	Oh, yeah, that's right, that's right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, six, okay.
	Yeah, I'll tee that up.
	All right, 40 seconds, Matt.
	Cool.
	When did we last have you on?
	It was before the budget vote, right?
	Uh, I think so, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah.
	It's Friday.
	Boo's after the rule, so we knew what was gonna happen.
	Hmm.
	You you
	you you
	Well, we have a big case today.
	This judge isn't allowing me to go.
	We have a big case today in the Supreme Court on presidential immunity.
	A president has to have immunity.
	If you don't have immunity, you just have a ceremonial president.
	You won't have a president.
	Did you know about the payments this morning?
	So we have a big gun.
	We have a very big gun.
	Did you know about the payments?
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	All right.
	What is happening on Capitol Hill and with the Trump campaign?
	Let's talk to the man who is responsible for the whole city of Washington, D.C.
	He's the Washington bureau chief for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.com.
	Matt Boyle, welcome back to America First.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure.
	Great to be here.
	Now I know it's, uh...
	Making it very difficult for him to campaign, but given what we're seeing in the responses outside the courtroom that we just heard, from the spontaneous chant of USA, USA, to the we love you Trump in Harlem when the president goes to the bodega, this trial is probably, for the time being, not working out the way the Democrats plan, Matt.
	Do you agree?
	Yeah, no, look, I mean, there was talk at the beginning of it that, oh, jury selection would take two weeks, and it wouldn't start until May.
	Well, it's April 25th, and they're already all, like, halfway through it, apparently.
	Right?
	Like, uh, you know, they're moving pretty darn quick, because I think they know that it's not a winner for them.
	I'd be curious to see what the Democrats' internal polling looks like in New York State, because I bet if anything, Trump is moving up in the numbers.
	I don't know if he's tied, but he's getting there, right?
	Like, we've seen public polls earlier in the year that showed Donald Trump in single digits behind Joe Biden.
	In New York State, again, a Democrat stronghold.
	Last time Republicans won New York, I think, was 1984.
	Right, when Ronald Reagan was running for re-election, he won 49 states.
	So the fact is, is that I believe that the more that Trump keeps doing these things, and they have national implications too, but they certainly are helping him in his, you know, home state.
	He's a native son in New York City, obviously.
	You know, Trump remade the New York skyline, right?
	Like, I mean, there's several buildings in that New York skyline that are Trump fixtures.
	And so, you know, it's, I guess, good for him politically.
	He's in his hometown and the Democrats are not doing so well as a result of it.
	And look, you saw the union guys today, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, these are Democrats that are saying they're voting for Trump.
	So let's look at the flip side with all the riots, the protests, Columbia, Austin, various campuses across the United States for those clearly, you know, young kids who are left wing, who are Democrats.
	There are a problem for Biden.
	It sounds as if they're getting a little bit desperate.
	That statement he made at that fair in Pennsylvania that, you know, the equivalent of the good people on both sides.
	How worried?
	You've got some decent sources on the other side of the aisle.
	How concerned are the Democrats that Biden is underperforming and he doesn't have an answer for the radical anti-Semites on his side?
	Yeah, there's a few things to unpack there.
	First and foremost, they're terrified, right?
	Democrats are terrified of these protests.
	That's why they keep going out there and attacking them.
	They're attacking these kids on these college campuses.
	Again, think what you will about them.
	They're college kids, right?
	But the fact is that those people are not coming back to Biden.
	We're seeing numbers that show that Donald Trump has basically pulled even or close to it among young voters.
	Absolutely astounding to see this happening.
	Another thing is, again, these people are never coming back to Joe Biden.
	I don't think there's anything he can say or do that he will win back these uncommitted voters that we're seeing across the country.
	We saw the numbers out of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania now just had 55,000 Democrats vote against Biden in their primary and vote Uncommitted or, you know, I think they wrote in a bunch of different things and they didn't even have an option on the ballot for it, right?
	So this is a major problem.
	And then the third big thing I would mention about this is that it's combined with what we saw this morning with Trump, with the union workers, right?
	So you've got almost like a pincer move against Biden on both sides of the Democrat party.
	He's losing people on the union side.
	He's losing people on the high left too.
	And so what's happening is he's getting squeezed down the middle of the Democrat party, and
	it's hurting him bad.
	And I don't know if he recovers from it.
	We'll see.
	But it would take a political miracle for Joe Biden to figure this out on both ends.
	Well, he'd have to openly say he's on the side of Hamas.
	I mean, that would be the only thing that would placate these radicals.
	Do you have a theory, Matt, as to what's really going on here?
	Because it's really, you know, you can hate Israel and be pro-Hamas and have your stupid little demonstrations as a Democrat, but they're actually hurting their own party every single day.
	When you shut down the Golden Gate Bridge, In, you know, one of the most left-wing cities in America for four hours.
	What's the logic here?
	Are these people just captured by their own ideology?
	They can't control themselves?
	Or is the Democrat Party incapable of reining them in?
	What's going on in your estimation?
	Well, look, I think there's a lot of young people out there around the country who are angry at what we're seeing happen on the world stage, right?
	And here at home, too, domestically.
	So it's a combination of different things, but a big part of it is what's happening in Israel, between Israel and Hamas.
	And the fact is, is that I think that what's The reason why we have this instability in the world is Democrat policies, right?
	And the Democrats don't have an answer for it, and they just keep trying to paper over it all, right?
	Like this latest funding bill isn't going to solve the problem, right?
	Like the thing that just passed this weekend.
	earlier this week out of the Senate.
	So the problem is they don't know how to win these people back. They're rightfully frustrated. I saw
	this clip on MSNBC of all places.
	I think it was on Morning Joe where there was this person talking about how the rich keep
	getting richer.
	Yes, I saw that.
	Yeah, and it's just, I mean that's the whole election right there, right?
	The regular young people out there around the country feel like nobody's listening to them, so they're angry.
	I don't think they know exactly where to put their anger and how to channel it, and that's kind of why you're seeing all of this happen on college campuses, the bridge, right?
	And so on and so forth.
	But if they really want to change the world and they want to do it right, the right move is vote for Trump, right?
	Like, if you vote for Trump, Guess what?
	All these things are going to be under control within six months of Trump taking office.
	The war in Ukraine is over.
	Hamas is finished.
	All of this is going to be crystal clear.
	We're going to actually be on a path back towards peace in the Middle East.
	We were headed there with the Abraham Accords.
	Also, everybody's economic situation in the United States is going to get better.
	hurts you, right? Voting for a Democrat, for any office, period, is voting to hurt yourself.
	And I hope that people out there, especially these young people who are angry, see it the
	way I'm talking about here and change the way that they're doing things.
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	The main thing they were chanting was free Palestine.
	I How is that anti-semitic?
	Well, what's anti-semitic is that Hamas endorsed this protest today.
	Within the last two hours, they issued an endorsement statement and heralded the students here and said, this is the next generation of leadership in America.
	If you're getting endorsed by Hamas, that's not a good look.
	It's not a good sign.
	Some of these students apparently are unaware of the atrocities of October 7th, or they're denying it.
	They deny that women and children were Alright, let's talk a little bit about Speaker Johnson next, Matt.
	placed into ovens and cooked alive. The things that happen there are unspeakable and yet
	they're out there waving flags for the very people who committed those atrocities.
	All right, let's talk a little bit about Speaker Johnson next, Matt.
	Yeah, I don't know if going and giving a house floor speech to the children there is the
	answer, so.
	Do Tyrus again, Eric?
	Pro-Hamas.
	Take the pro... Where's the guts?
	Hamas terrorists are at the school.
	Why do we keep calling them pro?
	Why?
	They're not pro.
	I am Hamas.
	If I said I am a Black Panther, and me and Harold are Black Panthers, Jesse 1%, you're in.
	We're Black Panthers.
	We would be treated differently at work.
	Yeah.
	If I decided overnight to identify as a Nazi and I came into this and I am representing Nazis today on the five, how many commercial breaks would I make, Jesse?
	Uh, zero.
	Zero.
	I'd be out.
	Gone.
	So again, we got to stop with the pro.
	They want to be it.
	They're not going to change.
	Okay.
	My pillow.
	Yes.
	Thank you.
	Play the whole cut three.
	Let me ask you about January 6th.
	Are you still pursuing January 6th cases?
	We have, sir, any number of January 6th cases underway.
	Former President Trump has referred to those who have been in prison or are facing trial as hostages.
	Do you see those individuals who took part in the January 6th riots as hostages?
	I see the defendants in the January 6th cases as criminal defendants Who are being charged with federal crimes and are in front of independent courts as part of our legal system.
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	Come in with six, then I'll do pillow, then I'll go to Matt.
	Need a title for that monologue, by the way.
	And for Kyle.
	Um...
	For the monologue...
	Every sane person's a conservative.
	Alright.
	And then... Kyle.
	For Kyle, be a man, choose the Constitution, not the institution.
	Thank you.
	The main thing they were chanting was free Palestine.
	How is that anti-semitic?
	Well, what's anti-semitic is that Hamas endorsed this protest today.
	Within the last two hours, they issued an endorsement statement and heralded the students here and said, this is the next generation of leadership in America.
	If you're getting endorsed by Hamas, that's not a good look.
	It's not a good sign.
	Some of these students apparently are unaware of the atrocities of October 7th, or they're denying it.
	They deny that women and children were Brutally raped and murdered that infants were placed into ovens and cooked alive The things that happen there are unspeakable and yet they're out there waving flags for the very people who committed those atrocities
	Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, went to Columbia yesterday.
	He was vilified.
	He was shouted at.
	They insulted him amongst the pro-Hamas students.
	What difference does it make?
	And how tenuous is his position on Capitol Hill after the funding vote a few days ago?
	We'll ask our guest, Matt Boyle, in a moment.
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	Matt, what was the logic of yesterday's visit by the speaker?
	Was it to raise money with donors?
	Did he really think he was going to make a difference with those radicals?
	What's your take?
	I think he's reeling so bad right now, politically, that he's just...
	Totally out of sorts and doesn't have a Sense of what the right thing to do is a smart move for speaker Johnson if he's listening, and I hope that he does Is he should go to timeout for a long time right like go Mikey time to go to timeout right like oh?
	Take a break and stop going out there because everything he's doing is a mistake right now.
	Everything.
	Right?
	He went to the border to campaign with Tony Gonzalez.
	He's in Iowa with Marionette Miller Meeks today.
	I mean, just terrible, terrible decisions, right?
	Like, and after several major caves and literally championing the entire Democrat agenda through Congress, it's like everything he's touching turns to crap right now.
	Like, he's not doing well.
	He needs to go take a break.
	It's like when a hitter in baseball is doing really bad, you give him a day off or two, right?
	And then you let him come back later and try to get on a roll again.
	But, like, this guy needs to go to timeout and he needs to... But he's the Speaker of the House.
	Is he just too nice, Matt, to be Speaker of the House?
	Look, an effective Speaker of the House right now would be somebody who's doing nothing, right?
	Like, that's better than any of the stuff that they're doing.
	Do nothing.
	That's all we ask you to do.
	Hold the line, Mr. Speaker, and don't let anything else pass until November.
	Right?
	Like, let's see what the voters decide when we get to the election.
	And if they put Trump back in, then we can start passing stuff and doing stuff again.
	And in the meantime, the MTGs of the world who are calling for the vacation of the chair, what's your take about those moves?
	I mean, look, I don't know if it's going to succeed or not.
	I don't know if the Democrats will bail him out or not.
	Personally, I think he's kind of a dead man walking anyway, right?
	So I don't know if he'll be the Speaker of the House for much longer.
	The question is when, how, and where it happens and so on and so forth.
	Not if it happens, right?
	So I don't know if he'll make it to November or if he'll go down in a week or if he'll go down in a month.
	Whatever, you know, I'm not gonna play the Palace Intrigue game, but the point is that I do think that he's in a really bad way, and if he doesn't fix things fast, and he keeps trying to make mistakes, right?
	It's like, again, when a basketball team's losing at the end of the game, and they just start chucking up threes, and then they end up losing by more.
	When the hockey team's losing, they pull the goalie, right?
	Like, that's what this is, right?
	Like, and then all of a sudden, another goal or two scores.
	So, it's desperation time at the end of Mike Johnson's political career, and if he really wants to have a chance at a comeback here, the smart move would be go to timeout and think this stuff through a little bit more.
	But is there anybody, if he only lasts another month or two, is there anybody else?
	Because, you know, Jim Jordan's going to be on the show in the next hour.
	I talked to him a year ago.
	He was not interested.
	If anybody gets rid of him, who's going to replace him?
	I don't know.
	I think there's two more Republicans coming on the way in special elections here coming up pretty soon, so you never know.
	Jordan could be a possibility.
	You could see Emmer.
	You could see... I know him and Trump seem to have made up, right?
	Like the two of them have been spending time together.
	I know that Trump came out against him for Speaker last year in October, but there's any number of different things that could be possible, but this is just... The whole notion that Johnson has to be the guy because there's a one-seat majority, it's just nonsense.
	Total nonsense.
	Absolute abject nonsense.
	And at a certain point, we've got to start saying, OK, enough of this.
	All right.
	The Washington bureau chief has spoken.
	It's time out for the Speaker of the House.
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	Oh, thank you!
	Mike Johnson needs to take a time out.
	So good.
	Oh, my mic's still on.
	Mr. Soreys.
	I mean...
	How are you?
	Good, good.
	How's it going?
	It's going, mate.
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	We've got two different websites.
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	Which do you prefer?
	The Sat123.com.
	A little easier to get to or remember.
	Okay.
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	You're going to walk us through why these are so amazing and why I always travel with one.
	Yes sir.
	Good.
	Where are you based out of?
	I'm in Denver, Colorado just by DU.
	You know Denver?
	Not in a Manhattan penthouse as it looks like behind me.
	Right.
	Can't afford that these days.
	Who can?
	Who can?
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	At the top here, I will do Patriot Mobile.
	And then we'll go to Chris.
	Yep.
	All righty.
	Is there a good cut also we can come in with?
	Oh, come in with five.
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	All right.
	Alright, 70 seconds.
	Am I doing Bannon today?
	I'm going to go ahead and close the video.
	Let me message them, I believe so.
	It's the usual.
	Still on the counter, yeah let me double check.
	I'm going to go ahead and do that.
	I'm going to go ahead and do that.
	Thanks for watching!
	Thanks for watching!
	It is not surprising that he would go out to Columbia University and stir up really more anger and hate and endanger the lives of young people who are at the encampment at Columbia University.
	There are many people I can think of who stir up anger and hate, but Eric, Mike Johnson isn't a person who I think stirs up anger and hate, do you?
	If anything, he's incapable of that because he is just so soft-spoken and mild-mannered.
	Right, right.
	As opposed to Ilhan Omar, who we just heard, who's really very good at it because she hates America.
	She hates America and she also hates the Jews, remember?
	You know, it's all about the Benjamins and all the other things that she said.
	It's all about the Benjamins.
	And don't forget that tweet.
	Israel has hypnotized the West.
	If anyone can stir out hatred, it's you, Ilhan Omar.
	Question is, did she marry her brother?
	Jeff, isn't this the woman who married her brother to get the green card?
	Absolutely.
	So weird that's not a story anymore.
	I wonder why.
	So strange.
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	I was in Nashville recently, trying to leave my hotel, get an Uber at 4.30 in the morning, and my phone didn't work.
	I mean, it switched on, but there was like no bars.
	And I had no idea that the whole cell phone service had gone down.
	You remember what happened a couple of months ago?
	And I felt like such an idiot, or as the Brits say, a plonker, because I had a satellite phone.
	At home, provided to me by the amazing people at the Satellite Phone Store, with which I could have called anyone, and that's why I always travel with it now.
	To explain more, let's have the man who created the Satellite Phone Company, Chris Hoare.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks for having me, Seb, and I haven't heard the word plunker in a while, mate.
	It's a good one, isn't it?
	It is.
	Don't be a plonker, get a sat phone.
	I don't know, I'll run it by the marketing people.
	I think that.
	Don't be a twat, don't be a plonker, get a sat phone.
	I think you'll do really well in the North American market.
	So, first things first, I think we're probably about the same vintage, a very good vintage.
	Satellite phones, 10, 20 years ago, were unobtainium.
	You know, Delta Force had them, and the guy in his Learjet.
	That has very much changed, thanks to you, hasn't it?
	Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.
	These things used to cost 10, 20 grand apiece for the handsets and 20, 30 bucks a minute for the airtime.
	And that's great if you've got a Gulfstream jet and a billion bucks in your bank.
	But if you don't.
	You were in trouble.
	So one of the things we've tried to do, Seb, is make this affordable to the common working man and woman in this country, because we believe that not just billionaires should be protected in a disaster or emergency.
	We think everyone should have access to the satellite communications.
	And let's run through the numbers, because some of the shocking things I've heard from you and your colleagues at the satellite phone store.
	By the way, Sat 1, 2, 3.
	Every member of my family and my son's girlfriend now has a Sat phone, thanks to Chris and his colleagues.
	If you can see the sky, you can use this phone.
	So I could be in the Antarctic, I could be in the middle, I'm going to, you know, Alaska on this cruise, I could be in the middle of the ocean, I can use it.
	Can you compare that to if you have the best mobile phone contract on the planet, how much of the Earth's surface can you make phone calls from with a regular cell phone?
	Well, you may not believe it when I tell you, but it's just 7%, Seb.
	So, only on a good day, if everything's working, only 7% of planet Earth is covered by cell phone service.
	Satellite phones are covered 100% of the Earth.
	Like, no matter where you are, like you said, middle of the ocean, middle of the desert, middle of Afghanistan, like our brave men and women were, these satellite phones work because they talk directly to the satellites in the sky.
	They don't rely on cell towers.
	And as we've seen recently, and you just mentioned, cell towers are vulnerable.
	They're vulnerable to attack.
	I mean, we saw the AT&T Verizon T-Mobile outage, you know, a couple of months back.
	And that affected millions of Americans.
	It affected 9-1-1 service.
	And AT&T said it was a software upgrade.
	But for my money, it's like, if I upgrade the software on my computer, my neighbor's computer doesn't go down, right?
	Right.
	There's something a little bit weird about that story.
	But it's not just accidents.
	You know, somebody screws something up at your cell phone provider.
	It can be real emergencies, like the Hawaiian fires, the Maui fires.
	And then, I just think back to 9-11, Chris.
	9-11, nothing, except the push to talk on the BlackBerries, but nothing else worked in New York, because the system was just flipping overloaded.
	If you have a sat phone, you're good, right?
	Yeah, I mean, look, they make us, you know, and sell millions and millions of cell phones every month.
	But when it comes to sat phones, they only make a few hundred thousand a year.
	And that means there aren't millions of people to overwhelm the satellites, you know, when something happens.
	So, you know, there's a lot less people using them out there.
	And look, even on a good day, if you have some kind of like mass shooting event or mass casualty event, and everyone tries to make a cell phone call, the cell phone towers can only handle a few hundred calls at a time, right?
	Even if they're up and working normally, they can get overwhelmed.
	And so it's like a cell phone can be useful in every situation.
	And it's something you should carry with you all the time as far as I'm concerned.
	I mean you know forget about natural disaster events.
	Look at what's going on in the Middle East.
	Look at how Russia and Iran North Korea are stepping up and China stepping up their attacks on our infrastructure.
	And I'm not sure if you saw this, Ed, but we have our first confirmed attack on US water supply that was verified just a few days ago.
	And that was in Muleshoe, Texas, where the hackers, the Russian hackers, overwhelmed the, took over the water supply software and program there.
	And they actually flooded the water out of the reservoirs and so on.
	So that could have just been a dry one.
	I mean, imagine if they did that in New York or LA, Chicago, Austin, you know, and so on.
	They are coming after us and we need to be prepared.
	Have a plan B. That's what I have.
	Thanks to you.
	Thanks to your colleagues.
	You get the expensive thing, the handset you get for free.
	You're paying a monthly fee that's like a cable package equivalent.
	And at that point, you are always able to communicate from anywhere on the planet to your loved ones, to the emergency services.
	It's just bloody genius.
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	you Pro Hamas terrorists.
	Take the pro... Where's the guts?
	Hamas terrorists are at the school.
	Why do we keep calling them pro?
	Why?
	They're not pro.
	I am Hamas.
	If I said I am a Black Panther, and me and Harold are Black Panthers, Jesse 1%, you're in.
	We're Black Panthers.
	We would be treated differently at work.
	Yeah.
	If I decided overnight to identify as a Nazi, and I came into this and I am representing Nazis today on The Five, how many commercial breaks would I make, Jesse?
	Uh, zero.
	Zero.
	I'd be out.
	Gone.
	So, again, we gotta stop with the pro.
	They want to be it.
	They're not gonna change.
	Tyrus on the Five, making what seems like a semantic point, but it's more than that.
	If you say you're pro-Hamas, if you say you are Hamas, then really you're saying what?
	You're a terrorist.
	You agree with terrorist tactics and with what happened on October the 7th.
	If that's the case, What should happen to you?
	We shouldn't laugh at this, but who was that journalist, Eric, who said, Mostly Peaceful?
	There's some fires burning behind me.
	Do you remember that?
	Yeah, it was some guy on CNN.
	I don't remember his name.
	And then our buddy, Julio Rosas, wrote the book, Mostly Peaceful.
	Right, and then, well, here we have a kind of reprise of that, again on CNN, Ari, Ari something was his name, this is a different journalist, Nick Watt is his name, clearly he was born in the UK as I was, and he's at USC, and he's reporting live about these lovely students, and it gets just a little bit hairy.
	Cut 9!
	LAPD were invited onto campus by USC and they told the protesters they had 10 minutes to clear.
	Some protesters decided they did not want to.
	So they linked arms in the middle of this park.
	And they were arrested.
	More than 50 of them were arrested.
	You support genocide?
	That's what you support?
	Anyway, I think we should probably go because it's getting a little nasty here.
	Anyway, more than 50 people arrested.
	You know, back to you guys.
	We need to go.
	Mostly peaceful, Mark, too.
	It's getting a little bit hairy.
	We need to get out of here.
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	So first of all, let me say, I think what Johnson did was pretty shameful because that's throwing gas on the fire.
	That's not actually trying to say to the university, how can we help you solve this problem?
	And that's what we should be doing.
	We should be more concerned about how do we help our campuses create a safe environment for not just our students, all the people who work there.
	Sorry, what?
	Mr. Milk Toast?
	Mike Johnson gives a speech?
	To the students at Columbia?
	And he makes it worse?
	Why, is he calling for death to America or from the river to the sea for the destruction of Israel?
	Really?
	Really?
	What's the breaking news, Jeff?
	You said something just before we came back on air?
	Yeah, USC, they've cancelled their main graduation, they said, the main ceremony, where they usually have 65,000 people attend.
	That's because of Mike Johnson, right?
	Yeah, exactly, because Mike was going to go speak.
	Again, I've got to ask the question I asked yesterday.
	Does this stuff matter?
	I mean, is this going to annoy parents?
	What is the political consequence of all this?
	Well, I've been thinking the whole time while I'm watching these protests.
	How does this help their side?
	This is what I don't get.
	How does this make things better for the Democrats?
	I don't understand.
	Even when he's struggling the most with the college kids.
	It may be top, there's 1% of the college kids out there are actually the ones protesting.
	The other 99% are at least annoyed by it.
	I'm not saying they're going to vote for Trump, but it's annoying.
	You have your graduation.
	Right.
	Shut down.
	And then, you know, with regards to what Matt Boyle said, he said there's nothing Biden can do to fix this.
	Well, there is.
	I mean, if he said, I hate Israel and I love Hamas, but he's not going to do that.
	So there's no fix for the Democrats, is there?
	Yeah, I like it now because Biden's kind of stuck to where he's got to play both sides.
	He doesn't know what to do, and he's terrible at selling it anyway.
	Right, right.
	He's absolutely terrible at selling it.
	OK, let's go to your calls because we've got some amazing guests.
	We're going to be talking to Julie Kelly, latest developments in the cases against President Trump.
	Jim Jordan is going to be with us.
	I've got some tough questions to ask him.
	And then our special in-studio guest, Horace Cooper of Project 21 will be with us to talk about The minority vote in America and President Trump.
	Let's go to our good friend Judy in Brooklyn, line one.
	Hello.
	I'm calling.
	I'm calling because I want to respond to something on your opening remarks, but also on Elon Omar.
	So I'll try to connect it.
	First of all, when you said they're kind of like afraid to be called conservative, I think it's way more than that.
	It's not just there in England, it's here too.
	People are still afraid of cancer culture.
	They're afraid of being deemed terrorists.
	It's so confusing.
	If you're a parent, you're a terrorist, all that.
	They're afraid of their livelihood being ruined, careers.
	I know of a nutritionist, she was afraid to call the radio show, or even when people come to her, because she's afraid that if they recognize her voice and find out that she is a Trump supporter, she's going to lose half of her business or whatever.
	This is crazy.
	Dr. Gorka, we're dealing with very evil people from all sides, and they believe in this.
	They believe the end justifies the means, and the means for them is anything and everything, including murder.
	Look at Antifa, look at BLM, look at, I would say even Hillary Clinton, by the way.
	By the way, fun-loving Islamic Muslim Ilhan Omar, she had like a seven-month affair with this manager of hers while she was still married to her Muslim husband, not her brother, with like three kids with him.
	She was carrying on, you know?
	And she also, her lovely, her loving thing, talk about anti-hate, her loving thing was, do you remember she sent out a photo of little children dead Yes.
	and blamed it on Israel after Tobit 7.
	Meanwhile, it was like something that Assad did in Syria.
	Yes.
	When he basically wiped out 50,000 men, women, children with his biochemical weapons,
	she knew and she never retracted, never apologized.
	And this is who she is.
	Well, it's really weird.
	There's so many Muslims being killed by other Muslims across the planet, including half a million killed in Syria, but no demonstrations on Colombia for that.
	Look, going back to your original point, I'm not sure the cancel culture has the power it once did.
	I think they're losing steam.
	I think people see through it.
	When you see the likes of Joe Rogan, who's no Trump supporter, say, you know, Biden's a lunatic and the left are burning down America, do you really have people you know who are frightened of cancel culture today because the left is revealing itself for the lunatics that they are, Judy?
	I really hope you're right, but I want to tell you something, because you know what it is?
	People are so confused because You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, the law is so, is, you know, the, like, for instance, Bragg's over here, Alvin Bragg.
	If you're a black person, if you're a brown person, he's going to go out of his way to make sure you're not convicted of anything.
	But if you're a white person, something else, forget about it.
	But that's something else.
	That's not cancel culture.
	That's something else.
	That's the perversion of the justice system.
	Yeah, but you still, you know what?
	You still don't know.
	I'm hoping you're right.
	And I'm hoping, you know what?
	I'm also thinking in some weird way.
	I have no proof or anything.
	I just have a feeling.
	I don't know what it is, but I think with President Trump sitting in this ridiculous kangaroo nonsense court, whatever, I'm hoping, I'm thinking that something's going to happen where it's going to just turn on its head.
	Something, I don't know what, something really, really, really amazing.
	Hi, Dr. G. Thank you for taking my call, sir.
	everything for the positive. Well hope is not a strategy, hope is not a strategy
	but we shall see. Looks like it's ladies hour. Thank you Judy. Let's go to line 2
	Arizona. Alexandra. Hi Dr. G, thank you for taking my call sir. I just want to
	say that I want to make a statement. I want to make sure that everybody at
	these universities know these professors, all of them.
	I will make the first donation to the mental ward institution, the mental wing of, as they say, these schools, sir.
	I will be gladly be the first donor.
	I will make a donation in my name.
	How much money do you have?
	Because I think there's a lot of people with mental issues.
	It might be very, very costly, Alexandra.
	We'll gather quite a bit for them.
	I'm pretty sure people will donate.
	Thank you kindly.
	Great idea.
	We need those mental institutions that were shot down after one flew over the cuckoo's nest and the idea that we don't need those things.
	Just ship people out onto the streets.
	They'll be fine.
	Let's go to Antoinette.
	Line three.
	Hello, Dr. G. Happy Thursday.
	Happy Thursday.
	Dr. G, back about two weeks ago, April the 10th was a Wednesday.
	You were at Mar-a-Lago with the President.
	At that time you had Bob Franz doing your job for you that day.
	A gentleman called, a gentleman from Arizona, requested you and me, and possibly Brent, for a pro-life prayer.
	I came up with a prayer.
	I shared it with Brent.
	Brent loved it.
	So may I say it and profess it to you?
	And if you want to change it some words, that would be okay.
	You may, if it's not too long.
	Is it long?
	I don't know.
	It's short, I think.
	I go fast.
	Okay.
	Just because it's you.
	Go ahead, Antoinette.
	Thank you, Dr. G. Our prayer, pro-life.
	Precious babies, we pray for you.
	Precious babies, we are here for you.
	Precious babies in the womb.
	Precious moms that are ready to give birth to you.
	In your righteousness, God the Father, rescue us, deliver us, turn your heart to us, and save us.
	Here in our beloved USA, in your name, our Lord Jesus Christ, amen.
	That's lovely.
	I very especially like the double use of the concept of being delivered.
	Babies are delivered and also we need to be delivered as a civilization by our Lord and His Son, our Savior.
	God bless you, Antoinette.
	Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to do that.
	Thank you so very, very much.
	Let's squeeze in one more call.
	Derek in Cleveland.
	Thank you, Dr. G.
	You know, with, um, I don't know, I just can't, you know, can't forget about the horrible exit from Afghanistan and, and the significance of how much equipment and weaponry and just everything that was left behind.
	I mean, there was so much that it just seems like it was gifted.
	I mean, to, uh, you know, whoever could just take it over there.
	Is there ever been any follow-up?
	Do we know what happened to all that stuff?
	Why would there be follow-up?
	Who would follow up?
	I mean, who in federal government would follow up?
	And what lunatic would go there to a country run by the Taliban now?
	I mean, is that like the Taliban got?
	Did it get to Iran?
	Russia?
	It just seems like all of that... Well, there have been numerous reports that those weapons have turned up in other war zones.
	Now, how to verify that is, that would be really the job of a forensic investigator from the U.S.
	government that has all the serial numbers for the weapons, the hundreds and thousands of weapons that were left there.
	But, Derek, let's be very blunt here.
	The regime is run by the Taliban.
	The Taliban were the people who gave aid and succor to Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda.
	So I think we know where those weapons are.
	Thank you, Derek.
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	Yep, and I might use Avenatti in the second block.
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	GuloGulo88 for $2 says, when Speaker Johnson takes off his glasses, he's Paul Ryan.
	Glasses off, Paul Ryan.
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	Ever seen them both in the same room?
	That's good.
	That's good.
	So we got that, and then we have Bill Barr and Alejandro Mayorkas having the exact same voice and never being seen in the same room.
	Oh, yes.
	These are the conspiracy theories that matter.
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh yes, indeed.
	You'll introduce her book first before you talk about Barr?
	No, I'll talk about Barr first.
	Barr first, got it.
	Okie dokes.
	It's just so funny.
	No Bannon tonight.
	Says he's hitting all Skotas.
	Oh, weird.
	Weird, okay, cool.
	Everything good for tomorrow?
	Jeff says yes.
	Is Locke coming on?
	He says yeah.
	Cool.
	Any weird guests?
	Jeff says he doesn't want to do any guests until tomorrow.
	Hmm, I think it's another one who doesn't have a lot of guests if I remember correctly. Mm-hmm
	Are we connecting Thank you.
	Jeff's dialing now.
	Two minutes.
	Jeff's dialing now.
	Thank you.
	I'm going to send you an image that she posted.
	Yep.
	90 seconds.
	90 seconds.
	Thank you.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	She needs 30 seconds.
	Okay.
	I'll have fun with Bar.
	So how did he endorse him, Jeff?
	What did he say?
	Did he give an interview?
	Did he say something?
	Interview, right?
	A couple times, just on, like, cable news.
	So what did he say?
	Did he say, I'm gonna vote for him?
	But he said that the two choices are terrible, or something like that.
	Like, he did a knock for it, but he said he's voting for Trump.
	The better choice.
	Yeah, the less awful choice.
	The lesser of two evils kind of thing, yeah.
	Very backhanded.
	You want me to find it, or no?
	No, no, no, it's fine.
	40 seconds.
	Hello?
	There she is.
	Hello.
	Sorry.
	How you doing?
	Crazy.
	How are you?
	Crazy.
	Always crazy.
	Let's talk Nara.
	Let's talk your tweet about SCOTUS today.
	America first.
	Magnificent!
	I'd like to know if she tweeted about coming on my show thusly.
	Coming up on the one and only Dee Bongino.
	Eric, can you have a look if Julie Kelly used language like that about her coming on?
	I just need to know whether she loves me as much as she loves Dan Bongino.
	Before we get to our special guest, then Jim Jordan, I've got to share this truth social.
	Oh my gosh.
	Bill Barr is scum.
	He's walking effluent.
	He is a large pile of human excrement.
	But apparently he's kind of endorsing President Trump.
	Unbelievable.
	These swamp dwellers are just unbelievable.
	And Donald Trump, the former president, and God willing, if we do our part, the future president, posted this on Truth Social.
	Wow!
	Former Attorney General Bill Barr, who let a lot of great people down by not investigating voter fraud in our country, has just endorsed me for president, despite the fact that I called him, quote, weak.
	Slow-moving, lethargic, gutless, and lazy, to the New York Post.
	Based on the fact that I greatly appreciate his wholehearted endorsement, I am removing the word lethargic from my statement.
	Thank you, Bill.
	MAGA 2024.
	Eric, has there been a better truth social or tweet from President Trump?
	President Trump is a master troll and he knows it.
	That is one of the funniest truth social posts in a long time.
	He really is a comedian.
	He's a natural comedian.
	It's great.
	It's just too good, too good.
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	All right.
	We need to, like, name an entity after her.
	Oh, she did say the one and only separately in coming up on set.
	All right.
	She is nice.
	She does love me as much as Dan Bongino.
	The one, the only, the irrepressible Julie Kelly.
	Julie Kelly.
	First things first.
	Business.
	January 6th book.
	Get it right now.
	Everyone out there who cares about what happened to the Republic on that day, how Democrats used the Capitol
	protest to launch a war on terror against the political right.
	Get it right now.
	I don't know if we can fit everything we need to discuss into the next couple of segments,
	but first things first, you posted something about the Supreme Court moments ago.
	What's happening in the Supreme Court?
	So this morning, oral arguments in the unprecedented, untested, unanswered question if a president
	can be subjected to criminal prosecution for his acts in office.
	And this stems from, as you know, Seb, Special Counsel Jack Smith's four count indictment against Donald Trump in Washington related to the events of January 6th and his attempts to overturn the 2020 election.
	So Judge Tanya Chutkin in December of last year issued her history making order, an Obama appointee.
	That said, for the first time, that presidents are not immune from criminal prosecution.
	That went to the appellate court, a three-judge panel, two Biden appointees, and one George H.W.
	Bush appointee, upheld Judge Chutkan's order.
	And that is how it now got before the Supreme Court today.
	There was a lot of discussion.
	We can get into the details.
	But I think, overall, the majority of justices were very skeptical about not just Criminally prosecuting a president for official acts, what constitutes official acts versus personal and private, and most importantly, the slippery slope, the descent towards Banana Republic-style territory where we are already headed, where incoming presidents, new presidents use their DOJ to prosecute their predecessor of the opposite party and put them in jail, as I believe it was Justice Alito.
	Brought that up to the DOJ's attorney this morning.
	And from, you can see it, I've just retweeted it from your account.
	Justice Alito seems to just make fun of the D.C.
	Appellate Court for their absurd state statements on presidential immunity being negotiable.
	Let's talk about the other thing you've been following very, very closely from documents you released a few days ago.
	It is now And patently obvious, is it not, Julie Kelly, that the National Archivist coordinated with the Biden White House to create the conditions around the Mar-a-Lago raid.
	Is that an accurate statement?
	That's correct.
	So this is the result of about a three, four-month battle in Judge Eileen Cannon's courtroom, where the special counsel, again, Jack Smith and his team, DOJ, wants to keep A lot of these materials that they say, you know, threatens the old sources and methods, right, Seb, the old national security, keep a lot of this information under wraps.
	And Judge Cannon authorized the unredaction, unsealing of this extensive motion to compel discovery.
	What Donald Trump's team has argued is that the scope of the prosecution team extends beyond just special counsel Jack Smith, his prosecutors, and a few FBI investigators, that this entire prosecution involved the Biden White House, the National Archives, the intelligence community, of course, top officials at the DOJ, the FBI's counterintelligence unit, the Secret Service, and other entities that were in cahoots behind the scenes throughout 2021.
	To concoct some kind of records document case against Donald Trump.
	And so this really flies in the face of what Jack Smith has documented or alleged in his indictment.
	And what we were told, as you know, Seb, is that Donald Trump produced 15 boxes to NARA in January, 2022.
	Oh gee, the archivist saw papers with classified markings and oh no, what do we do?
	We better contact the DOJ and FBI to investigate, which they did.
	And then they opened, then Merrick Garland authorized moving forward with further investigation and prosecution.
	That's not what happened.
	The DOJ, Biden's general counsel's office, one of his top attorneys, working with the archivist throughout 2021 to come up with some sort of documents case against Donald Trump.
	And that's what these newly unredacted filings reveal.
	And just the math of it.
	We've got Judges Murchin, Engeron, Schutkan, McAfee, and then we have Eileen Cannon on the documents case.
	It looks like the math is just daunting.
	Out of five judges, there's one that believes in the truth.
	Judge Eileen Cannon.
	That's correct.
	She believes in the truth.
	She understands how dirty this case is.
	Remember Judge Cannon is the one.
	In September of 2022, who took the extraordinary step of appointing a special master, a third party to vet all the evidence taken out of Mar-a-Lago.
	She basically indicated at the time she did not trust DOJ to handle that investigation the way that it should be.
	She was overturned on appeal, but she was right.
	And the bad blood between her and the DOJ, especially lead prosecutor Jay Brett, is really spilling over.
	And that's why she's doing what she can to get this information to the American people.
	She said repeatedly that she sides on the side of transparency, that there's a public right to know what's happening in this particular case.
	And she is going to continue.
	She unsealed more materials yesterday, and she is also going to be unsealing, it looks like, grand jury testimony from Waltine Nauta, one of Trump's two co-defendants in that case as well.
	God bless Judge Eileen Cannon and Julie Kelly.
	Don't go anywhere, follow her right now, substack.com at Julie Kelly and on Twitter at Julie underscore Kelly too.
	Give me a follow as well on social media, just look for Seb Gawker or Sebastian Gawker and my substack is sebastiangawker.substack.com.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	There's so much to discuss.
	What's super important that we need to mention in the next five minutes?
	It's Ray... Oh, um... Come in with Avenatti.
	Just come in with Avenatti.
	That's too good.
	Cut number four.
	That's four.
	Yeah, come in with Avenatti.
	And then I'll tee up Ray.
	Alrighty.
	Cut three.
	What are you expecting from the stuff that Cannon will release?
	So, oh, she already, she did release accusations about Jay Bratt.
	We could talk about this too.
	Jay Bratt, the lead prosecutor, basically threatening Stanley Woodward, who is one of the attorneys, Waltine Nata's attorney, basically saying, if you don't flip Walt Nata, one of Trump's closest personal aides for years, if you don't flip him, Your judicial nomination for the D.C.
	Superior Court will be scuttled.
	But that's old news.
	We knew that, right?
	Well, they released the entire trove of documents today, exactly detailing the prosecutorial abuse.
	This is one example of that.
	Incredible.
	And there were other instances.
	Incredible.
	So dirty.
	Really.
	I mean, it's totally banana republic.
	Mm-hmm.
	So in addition to your sub stack, where are you publishing now?
	Bye.
	Real Clear Investigation.
	Oh, good.
	All right.
	And that's connected to Real Clear Politics, right?
	Correct.
	Yes.
	We can talk, if you want to, go back to what the Supreme Court does from here, because there are a few options.
	I think people want to know, well, now what?
	OK, good, good.
	But the decisions don't come till June, correct?
	I mean, it could come earlier, sooner than that, but their term ends at the end of June, correct.
	OK.
	90 seconds.
	Right.
	Avenatti, Pillow at the top.
	Avenatti, then Pillow.
	Yep.
	You You
	You The case is grossly unfair, Sean, and that's going to come as a surprise to a lot of people, but I strongly believe that.
	What is happening right now to President Trump, and let me be clear, I disagree with President Trump on about 95% of the issues at a minimum.
	But one thing he and I agree on, and that is that the politicization of these cases, in this case in particular, is gross, it's uncalled for, and it's flat-out wrong.
	This is an effort to deprive millions of Americans of their choice for president.
	This guy has been indicted now in four cases, up and down the entire East Coast.
	Sean, in this country, we don't have serial killers who are prosecuted at the same time in four different cases.
	The timing is wrong, the case is wrong, and he's not receiving due process.
	Eric, who is that?
	Is that Stephen Miller?
	Is that Steve Bannon?
	Who was that talking?
	Because I know it wasn't me.
	Who was that?
	That's the guy that Tucker once referred to as the creepy porn lawyer, Michael Avenatti.
	Hang on!
	The guy who's in prison?
	Yep, serving a 19-year sentence.
	Yeah, that guy.
	He's saying that President Trump is being politically persecuted in the courts?
	Pigs are flying, I guess.
	I was just as shocked to hear about it.
	Just go to mypillow.com, promo code G-O-R-K-A or call them up, 800-829-8468.
	That's mypillow.com, 800-829-8468, secret code G-O-R-K-A.
	She's the author of January 6th.
	Get the book right now.
	Follow her on Substack, on Twitter, Julie Kelly.
	I just got to read this to you.
	This came across the transom in the break on Twitter from somebody called TM1 Politics.
	Just in, Justice Alito just blew up the entire argument of the DOJ.
	Alito, quote, if the President gets advice from the Attorney General that something is lawful, is that an absolute defense?
	Dreeben, who is the Biden attorney, Yes, Justice Alito.
	Alito, wouldn't the president just pick an AG that would let him do whatever he wants?
	Dribben looked stunned.
	Apparently, the AG can provide absolute immunity, but the president, who is his boss, can't.
	Julie Kelly, this is a farce, all of this, isn't it?
	It really is a farce.
	And Michael Dribben, who also is on special counsel Robert Mueller's team, really struggled to come up with clear answers.
	Because basically what Michael Dreeben couldn't say is exactly what U.S.
	Solicitor General Elizabeth Proligar couldn't say last week in the 1512 C2 deliberations, is that this will only apply to Donald Trump, right?
	That's what he's basically saying.
	That this prosecution that, no, don't worry about future presidents, because this is not going to happen.
	It's only going to happen to Donald Trump.
	Oh, and don't forget future presidents, past presidents.
	I'm reading here the audio between Justice Kavanaugh and Counsel Dreeben.
	Kavanaugh asked, so does this apply to Obama killing Americans with drones?
	And Dreeben says, unlawful killing didn't apply to drone strikes.
	So I guess it's every president except Trump, Julie.
	Right.
	That's basically what Michael Dreeben was signaling.
	This is another Trump-only rule.
	This is another Trump only rule.
	Yeah.
	So luckily a majority of the justices picked up on that.
	So that was encouraging.
	All right, tell us what we can expect, because this session of the Supreme Court goes until June.
	What are the various avenues or branches?
	What's your expectation, Julie?
	So, I think the Supreme Court probably will come back and remand this back to the circuit.
	They took some digs at the circuit panel, and deservedly so.
	Take this back eventually to Judge Tanya Chutkin, who authored the first order denying presidential immunity and demanding that they sort of parse out either from the indictment or evidentiary hearings, which acts were official under the core presidency, his authority.
	And which were personal, private, political, and then kind of go from there.
	Now, Seb, we already know that Donald Trump trying to remove acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and replace him with Jeffrey Clark is completely within the purview of the presidency.
	He can hire and fire a new attorney general every day if he wanted to.
	So how are they going to argue that that was personal and not a core function of the presidency?
	So this is what The Supreme Court might say, you need to hash out.
	Now they could come back and say, no, president is entitled to immunity.
	And this is exactly why the government couldn't demonstrate otherwise.
	And this will lead to the slippery slope.
	Or, you know, there's a small chance that they could, a majority could come back and say, no, a president is subject to, subjected to criminal prosecution, whether it's official acts or personal acts, they just have to prove it.
	First to a grand jury and then to a regular jury.
	Yeah.
	In Washington, D.C., by the way.
	Well, yeah, but there's one problem with that.
	We call the president the chief executive.
	He is the government.
	That's what the Constitution states.
	So what he does as president is official.
	Fingers crossed.
	Let's say a prayer.
	In the meantime, Substack.com at Julie Kelly and Julie underscore Kelly to keep doing what you do.
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	All right, how are we going to stop the weaponization of the federal government against patriots?
	Let's talk to the man who is the chair of the Judiciary Committee from Ohio's beautiful 4th District, Congressman Jim Jordan.
	Jim, welcome back to America First.
	Good to be with you.
	And congrats on the weight.
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	I've been having meetings with people who are working behind the scenes to stop the bastards in the Biden administration from persecuting more patriots and including President Trump.
	And I've got some questions I need to ask you, Congressman, because I've been told the original plan to stop what you witnessed and what you were fighting against was to have a church-like committee, but that didn't pan out.
	If you look at what was spent on the January 6th abortion of a fake select committee, I have it that $12 million was spent to persecute President Trump and the people who took part in that event.
	Has anything close to that been spent by you or Chairman Comer to stop the weaponization of our government?
	Well, it's in millions of dollars in our budget.
	I could give you the numbers.
	What I do know is that we've done 93 subpoenas, 120 transcribed interviews and or depositions.
	That's probably more than the rest of Congress combined.
	I mean, I would almost say for sure it's more than that.
	Because of our work, you know, the disinformation governing and good work like you guys in the conservative media.
	If you remember when the Department of Homeland Security tried to set up the Disinformation Governance Board, we all made a big issue of that.
	We actually deposed Nina Jankowicz, and the end result was they got rid of that crazy concept, as if some bureaucrats were going to tell you what you're allowed to say and what you're not allowed to say.
	Because of our work, I like to think that the reason the IRS no longer makes unannounced visits to American citizens' homes is because when we were Digging into the Twitter files, and we had Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger testifying in front of our committee, and the Democrats were actually asking Mr. Taibbi to divulge his sources, the direct attack on the First Amendment.
	At that very moment, the IRS was knocking on their door.
	And we made a big issue of that.
	But let's be blunt.
	Yeah, let's be blunt.
	Given the fact that the president can't campaign, he's sitting in a courtroom in Manhattan right now.
	Given the fact that Peter Navarro is in a federal prison for a misdemeanor, would you say today the Biden administration is less weaponized than it was when you began your work in that committee?
	I would say that the American people know more about what's been going on, and I do know there's been a number of pieces attacking me and our committee saying, oh, the censorship, the disinformation.
	Uh, industry out there is having to scale back because of the work of our committee, where they were censoring people.
	That's why 60 Minutes did the big hit piece that they did on us, because we're making an impact on the censorship industrial complex, as Mr. Schellenberger and Mr. Taibbi named it.
	So yeah, I do think that.
	There's a reason we've had to go to court.
	We went to court to get Mr. Pomerantz.
	We just released a report today, the guy who was the catalyst for Alvin Bragg.
	bringing the charges against President Trump, the trial that's going on as we speak,
	we subpoenaed Mr. Pomerantz, we went to court, we won that, we actually then deposed Mr. Pomerantz,
	and that deposition, it lays out why he was the catalyst for Alvin Bragg taking the action.
	But that's a disclosure of information.
	What has happened to actually help President Trump not be as persecuted by the weaponized bureaucracy?
	Do you feel today that you've made a difference on what he is suffering as the leader of the opposition?
	Yeah, I think our work has helped educate the American people and inform the American people just how crazy it is.
	When I'm out and about, I mean, I was in Pennsylvania all day Monday helping our Senate candidate there, Dave McCormick, good candidate.
	People come up to me, thank you for fighting the fight, making sure we get the information.
	Thank you for doing all you're doing.
	So we get that all the time.
	And no one wants President Trump to win as bad as I do.
	And we've tried to highlight all the things that the Biden administration, and not just the Biden administration, but just the bureaucracy, did to him, clear back when it was the Mueller investigation and the first impeachment from Democrats and on and on it goes.
	So, yeah, we feel like we've subpoenaed Fannie Willis for information.
	But what about criminal referrals not leading to anything?
	And what about FISA?
	Are you satisfied with FISA being re-upped?
	No, I'm not.
	So I voted against it.
	I wanted the warrant requirement and led the charge on that.
	Unfortunately, we lost 212 to 212.
	We lost with a tie vote.
	So yeah, I'm not pleased with that one bit.
	Not pleased that Pfizer got reauthorized without the warrant requirement.
	We've spent a good deal of time now.
	It's no real consolation on this issue, but the fact that we got 212 votes compared to in years past, is unbelievable but it's still we didn't quite make it and
	that's that's the part that's that's so frustrating because we spent a lot of time
	we as republicans on the house judiciary committee spent a ton of time trying to get that
	done now let me just float by you something that was told to me who um by somebody who knows
	of what they speak is it in your purview to work with the speaker and to actually fund your
	committee or chairman comas committee to be more like a church committee.
	To hire lawyers and investigators, whether they're outside counsel or working for your committee, to actually go after people who have committed crimes under the color of law as directors of the FBI, as directors of the CIA, because that's what I think millions of Americans want to see.
	Not people getting new book deals and jobs on CNN, but people who have used their powers to persecute Americans facing criminal charges.
	Yeah, well, I mean, you know, Sebastian, that the legislative branch can't.
	No, but you can build cases.
	You can build cases.
	You can help to build cases.
	And we have definitely done that.
	I'd also point out, you know, people talk about the church commission.
	Remember, it was the church commission that gave us FISA.
	The same system that's been abused, what we just were talking about, what we're trying to change that.
	But it was the Church Commission who gave us FISA.
	So, you know, everyone wants to think like the Church Commission was some wonderful thing.
	It gave us the very system.
	No, but the issue isn't FISA coming out of the Church Commission.
	The issue is the amount of power that was exercised by that committee to actually exercise oversight.
	I think that's the issue that many people are looking for.
	Yeah, I would argue we have just as much authority.
	Like I said, 93 subpoenas that I've signed this Congress in 15 months, 120 different depositions and or transcribed interviews that we have done, held Hunter Biden in contempt out of our committee.
	So I think we've pushed the envelope just like you're supposed to.
	to get the facts and the truth for the American people.
	And I think we've made a big difference.
	But for the work of our committee, we would not have known that 51 former Intel officials
	were working with the Biden campaign.
	Mike Morrell is the guy who gets the call from Tony Blinken and puts in motion that
	document which changed, I believe, the outcome of the...
	You talk about election interference.
	I agree.
	But here's the one thing.
	Here's the one thing that we can probably agree to disagree on and continue at another
	time.
	Subpoenas and information are one thing.
	What we want to see are actual consequences for the malefactors.
	Yes, we need the information.
	Yes, the American people need to know.
	But there has to be consequences for those who committed crimes that you have revealed.
	Please follow this man at Jim underscore Jordan, Jordan dot house dot gov.
	That's at Jim underscore Jordan, Jordan dot house dot gov.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Um, I wasn't too gentle there, Jeff.
	Was that, was that, did I hit the right note there with Jordan?
	As we said, I thought it was fine.
	And it was good for him to come on, too.
	No, I give him credit for coming on.
	Eric, was that alright?
	I think that, easily, outside of any of your Trump interviews, is among the top five best interviews you've ever done on this show.
	Why?
	Because I was tough?
	You were tough, but you were fair.
	It's too easy for a host who doesn't like their guest to really go, like, belligerent and whatnot.
	You kept it civil, obviously, but you asked hard questions, and you didn't let him get away with dodging answers.
	And what did, you said the rumble chat was quite active, what did they think?
	They were very supportive, and you know our audience generally likes Jim Jordan, they supported him in that poll we had on the website when he was considering running for Speaker.
	Overwhelmingly, they were supportive of you, you know, saying go get him, and not reading any specific comments, but yeah, they were not happy with Congressman Jordan's performance.
	Alex, professional radio opinion of the last seven minutes.
	You were cordial but firm.
	That's what accountability looks like.
	Good.
	Alright, I appreciate that.
	I'm going to put that on my CV, all of those endorsements.
	Jeff, conclusion, politically?
	I think Jim's a good guy.
	He's all about the information and doing things.
	That's what he kept saying.
	Oh, well, we got you the information.
	Yeah, but we want people to go to jail!
	That's my problem with it.
	That information isn't getting anywhere outside of Trump voters, so it doesn't work.
	And the other thing is, I think it's been way too many investigations.
	It's not like he's not working hard.
	He must have done 15 or 16.
	Focus on the two that really matter and take it somewhere.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
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	As I said, I give him credit for coming on the show because I have been tough on him on radio without him being on the show.
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	Some guy called Caster, who's an institutionalist, is not about the truth and about MAGA.
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	A former senator from Illinois who made a promise which sadly he kept.
	That is going to be setting the stage for our discussion.
	So many things to talk about with our good friend in studio.
	A very special one-on-one.
	It's been far too long from Project 21.
	Horace Cooper, welcome back to America First.
	It's always great to come on the program.
	Did he keep his promise?
	Did he fundamentally change America?
	Oh, he did.
	This is one of those times where you really wish that a politician would just talk and not act.
	Not keep his promise.
	Look, I know I was an immigrant, a legal immigrant.
	Maybe I was seeing a peculiar slice of America, but I arrived this summer That he would eventually be elected.
	I arrived in 2008 to America.
	I started working for the US government.
	I was a professor for the Defense Department at Fort McNair.
	My classroom was literally all the colors of the rainbow you can imagine.
	Offices from every ethnic minority you can imagine and from across the globe.
	And when I came to America, I didn't see any real issue with systemic racism or in-your-face racism or a class structure bound by the hue of one's skin, but I do believe that that man helped to undo much of what had been done
	Since the 1960s.
	Is that fair as somebody who wasn't born here to make that assessment?
	Oh, I think that's fair.
	I think what we as Americans witnessed with his campaign and then his presidency is a person who has a deep-seated hostility against America.
	Now, you can be married, you can be dating, if you say to the person that you claim you love, and he constantly told us how much he loved this country.
	If you say to them, you're just too fat, I hate your cooking, I don't enjoy talking with you, we share no real interest, I'm not going to get you a gift on your birthday, I don't want to remember any of your anniversaries, it starts to become difficult to believe that you genuinely love this person that you say these cruel things to.
	This individual as president Did not show outwardly signs that he loved America.
	He constantly talked about what America needed to do to be better.
	It's like when you're married or dating a bad boy.
	And he constantly belittles you and tells you how you're going to have to change.
	He worked on it.
	He divided us.
	He belittled America.
	And more importantly than just what he did to us internally, internationally, he also harmed our reputation.
	And then, of course, there's that peculiar moment where his wife, Michelle, on his inauguration says, this is the first time in my life that I feel proud to be American.
	So weird that your pride in America has to do with whether or not your husband gets to be president.
	Now, I know you're an attorney by training.
	We will excuse you for that.
	You're not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but I have to ask you this question because I don't understand it.
	As a person who's been involved in politics, who talks about it for three hours a day, if you don't like a country, why would you want to be its president in the first place?
	I find that perverse.
	I find it perverse too, but that's why I keep talking about these relationships.
	There is this battering relationship syndrome.
	Where a person claims they're interested in the betterment, but every action they take,
	he overtaxed us, he destroyed our healthcare system, he reinvigorated bigotry and racism
	in America.
	And more than all of that, the economic difficulties that his policies imposed crippled Americans
	and actually led to this creation of a Biden voter who turned into a Trump voter.
	The story is not how many people who had been voting since 1992 for a Republican continued
	The story of Obama is how many people who had been voting for a democrat during those elections suddenly shifted to Donald Trump.
	We'll get to that in a second and how the political landscape has almost irrevocably changed in the last ten years.
	But what is the end state if you don't love the nation?
	of which you become the chief executive.
	What is the goal of Obama or the Obamaites?
	Because we know, you know, the people running the Biden administration are really holdovers.
	You know, Lisa Monaco, his counterterrorism advisor, is the deputy attorney general.
	She's running the DOJ, not Mary Garland.
	So what is...
	Well, let me just start with Mr. Biden is the premier holdover.
	Mr. Biden reported numerous times when he was vice president that he disagreed with policies that were too centrist.
	For him.
	And that if he had his way, he would have gone even further to the left.
	So what is it?
	Is it just hatred and anarchic dismantling?
	Is it creating a socialist state?
	Or is it just the maintenance of power by dividing us along identity politics lines?
	Have you worked out what the strategic end state is for those who hate America?
	See, I don't think It is that important to Mr. Obama, whether he's in charge or not.
	I think it's more important that America is on its knees.
	And that's a different type of hate.
	Right, explain that, explain that.
	Because it's just like, you oppressed my grandfather, blah blah blah, neocolonialism, so you must be punished.
	That's exactly right.
	There must be a consequence, and therefore, it doesn't matter who our president is, as long as, like the former great United Kingdom, it's a shadow of itself.
	That's the vision that's being pushed for America.
	It's a very tactical, prosaic goal.
	America must be the whipping boy.
	Absolutely.
	It cannot have the status on the stage.
	It cannot have the respect.
	It cannot have its ability to say, we are a great country.
	I still believe we are a great country, but we're one that's under assault.
	I love that.
	You've helped me immensely with that analysis.
	Not a strategic end state, just a prosaic, tactical one of America being on its knees.
	We have so much to discuss, but let me just kind of flip to the other side of what he did for eight years and then what the ultimate holdover is doing right now.
	Last Tuesday, after President Trump left the courtroom, he went to Harlem to the bodega where that man was persecuted by Alvin Bragg.
	And then outside, spontaneously, this happened.
	We love Trump!
	We love Trump!
	Now I know it's only one instance, but to be in Harlem and a black child begins a chant,
	the adults take up, we love you Trump.
	Can we read something of significance into that, Horace?
	Okay, this is why millions and millions of people want to come to America.
	It's a place where The impossible is possible.
	One of the things that Mr. Obama says is no, government shouldn't have these amazing accomplishments and achievements of individuals allowed.
	We should guarantee minimums and if it's necessary, guarantee our limit maximums.
	You didn't build that.
	Exactly.
	What we saw with that spontaneous crowd were people who say, this is what we love about America.
	What's a possibility?
	Remember, a bodega is just an idea of an entrepreneur starting off with some scraps and developing something that serves his community.
	That's America.
	And then a president pops by.
	That's exactly right!
	An American, a president who's accomplished, who's achieved, and who has not lived his entire life off the public teat.
	Yeah, yeah, perfectly put.
	We're talking to Horace Cooper.
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	Oh yeah, let's do that.
	Let's do that.
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	You've been motivated to cover as an attorney what's going on in Fulton County.
	I have to get your take on what's happening in Manhattan as well.
	But this case, I mean, this woman, her lover, Nathan Wade, the whole thing is just a bloody embarrassment, isn't it?
	Oh, it absolutely is.
	I think it has put Judge Scott McAfee in a pickle.
	There are folks who think the fix is in.
	I don't agree that that's the case.
	My first observation is one of the challenges of the advocates of lawfare We don't have the Russian criminal justice system.
	We don't have the Chinese criminal justice system.
	You mean where the sentence is written before the case is heard?
	Absolutely.
	People get their orders in these other countries and they carry them out.
	It doesn't matter what the law actually is.
	Here in America, it absolutely does.
	And it has proven very difficult, therefore, to use lawfare.
	By no mistake, these cases are not appearing out of an accident.
	They're intended to cripple or harm the electoral prospects of the president.
	My observation is that in America, that's just a harder challenge than it would be otherwise.
	Now, let me say this.
	If those charges were against you or I, it would be easier for them to succeed.
	His resources allow him to use our system properly in a way our founders originally understood.
	That what King George used to do, he would trump charges against you, throw charges against you, and then deny you an advocate who could stand up in a tribunal and defend you.
	We have a constitutionally protected right to have the advocate of our choice.
	Now, in the case of Fulton County, what you see is a case that would be laughed out of court and I predict ultimately
	is going to get laughed out of court.
	Why is that? The Georgia State Supreme Court is not made up of political dummies who support
	progressive causes. The appellate courts are also not made of that.
	Oh, and by the way, just in case people, again, were saying that Judge McAfee couldn't be trusted, he's an active—he was an active member of the Federalist Society when he was in college, in law school.
	He has written—he was a Trump appointee as a U.S.
	deputy U.S.
	attorney.
	But he also donated to Fanny Willis.
	Fanny Willis was his superior.
	And then he brings this asinine, surreal decision that you have to fire your lover boy or stop having sex with him.
	As if Judge McAfee is going to be sitting in the bedroom making sure that Nathan isn't under the bedclothes.
	I mean, it sounds like... But he also allowed the appeal.
	And I want to tell you why.
	He allowed the appeal to ask the appellate court, is it true that the mere appearance of impropriety would justify removing both?
	He wasn't convinced that that is true.
	He wasn't convinced that the law was clearly on that front, but he allowed the appeal.
	He could have said, I've issued my ruling.
	I'm not going to allow an appeal.
	We're going to go forward.
	The appellate court is going to answer this question, and I predict that they're going to rule that yes, what we saw as an appearance of impropriety is sufficient to allow for the removal.
	Let me ask a deeper question that bothers me as an immigrant to this country.
	I don't understand, because it creates all of these obvious political problems, why we have judges elected and why prosecutors are elected.
	Why an Alvin Bragg, Letitia James can campaign on putting a man who hasn't been charged with a crime in prison because his name is Donald Trump.
	Isn't there a problem with this?
	So you've combined two issues?
	Yeah.
	There is a long-running idea in America that we should have as many elected officials as possible if they're wielding substantial powers.
	But it is a very new phenomenon that those individuals wielding that power have the ability to publicly say they're going to target individuals if they were to get elected.
	We've traditionally not allowed, the ABA hasn't allowed, the State Supreme Courts haven't allowed, the U.S.
	Supreme Court has not allowed a prosecutor or a judge to make pronouncements that suggest that they're not actually adjudicating cases, but they're targeting individuals.
	So that's where I think the real problem lies.
	But you don't have a problem with political elections for people who are meant to be officers of the court?
	The state supreme court of the state of Texas is all elected and as it happens it's an entire Republican slate and it's been that way for almost 15 years.
	But you don't mind that kind of injection of politics into what should be the law?
	It's, as I said, our founders early on, this isn't a 50-year-old, 100-year-old, this preceded, this preceded even the U.S.
	Constitution that most of these positions were elected offices.
	So what should be happening to the likes of Letitia James and Alvin Brack who said, I'm going to put that man behind bars during their campaign?
	So that's what should be sanctioned.
	She should have to forfeit the ability to bring a case after having done so.
	By the way, Fannie Willis donated to the opponent of a person that she attempted to target, and the court removed her from the case.
	Because that's what the tradition is supposed to be.
	But who should be doing that?
	That should happen in Alvin Bragg's case.
	That's what should happen to Letitia James.
	At the level above them?
	At the level above them.
	That's the state Supreme Court.
	All right.
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	Hard to credit, it's happening on the streets of America and on the campuses of formerly prestigious institutions like Columbia.
	This is one of the pro-Hamas protesters from Colombia.
	We are Hamas!
	You're Hamas? Wow!
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	That's a good one.
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	Yes, we're all Hamas!
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	Maybe you can help me navigate my way out of what I feel to be I feel like I'm in Bizarro World, because for the last eight years, people like myself, my former boss, President Trump, we were called the white supremacists, the anti-Semites, the racists, and then the people who actually openly call for the death of the Jews from the river to the sea, they're coming out of the hotbeds of left-wing
	Identity politics like Columbia.
	What's happened?
	How did that occur?
	And why is there suddenly this open embrace of anti-semitism from the left?
	Do you have an explanation?
	Well, I believe that this has always been true as the anti-semitism effort has always been against Western civilization, has been against a particular ethic, the Judeo-Christian ethic, And there have been atrocities that have been committed that we promised, as a whole planet, we would never allow to recur.
	Now, here's where I think the mainstream media, many academics, owe an apology.
	They have trivialized anti-Semitism by calling people who disagree with them on tax policy
	anti-Semitic, by disagreeing with people who want, say, merit-based systems as somehow
	anti-Semitic, when in reality what happened during the Holocaust is an evil that is unparalleled,
	and comparing it to trivial policy disputes created a circumstance where it has thrived.
	It has existed.
	And now, after October 7th, when we saw the kinds of atrocities that remind us of the evil of the Holocaust, they no longer are able to contain themselves.
	They are admitting they are gleeful, they're excited about it.
	What I insist and I demand is that our president have a Little Rock Nine moment and he push back against this evil anti-Semitism.
	In what way?
	Like deploy the National Guard or what?
	He absolutely must say that what we're seeing in Columbia University, what we're seeing at Rice University in Texas, what we're seeing in colleges right now, this week, this is not going to occur.
	You are going to let Americans who happen to be of Jewish faith attend.
	They will be free from molestation.
	They will be free from harm.
	And by the way, there's good people on both sides?
	That is a damnable lie!
	There are not good people on both sides.
	But he won't do that because he's afraid of losing the election and losing their votes on November 5th.
	History shows who it was.
	Remember now, the Holocaust wasn't allowed to just simply, suddenly, spontaneously appear.
	There were decisions made by leaders who thought it was in their political interest to look the other way.
	The New York Times thought that it was in its financial interest to look the other way.
	We have academics and we have media that are doing something very similar and we have a man in the White House that is history is not going to look favorably on him.
	Well, I'm not going to hold my breath for that little rock moment.
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	Can you come in with that Biden cut from yesterday when he said both sides?
	Do you condemn the anti-Semitic protests on college campuses?
	I condemn the anti-Semitic protests.
	That's why I've set up a program to deal with that.
	I also condemn those who don't understand what's going on with the Palestinians.
	That is his decent people on both sides a moment.
	Instead of what President Trump did by condemning the extremists on both sides in Charlottesville, Biden said, oh, well, you know, you've got to understand Palestinians and what's happening to them.
	No, you don't.
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	So I could wax lyrical with you for hours, Horace.
	You're a superb interlocutor.
	And the question I get a lot of fun out of is mapping the political landscape today.
	Because I've come to a determination that the old labels of Republican and Democrat or left and right really have no taxonomical effect.
	It's an ideological division or just an emotional one.
	Do you love America or do you see America as the problem?
	If you believe in 1619 project, you're going to vote Biden.
	If you think America should be great again, you're going to vote for Trump.
	Can it be that simple?
	How would you paint the political map of America today?
	Well, my observation is after October 7th, after the collapse in Afghanistan, and after the economic devastation, we're now seeing left and right economists that are saying the story of The media tells us about this growing and thriving economy is simply not accurate, that real people are feeling it.
	So, the 1619 project advocates are a much smaller number than they were heading into 2020.
	The, this is an amazing country, it's a place for the exceptional to occur, is a larger
	number than it was in 2020.
	But the deciding factor is going to be those who aren't looking at either of those points.
	The ones who are apolitical?
	The ones who are apolitical.
	And won't they just be swayed by the, it's the economy, stupid you?
	Yes, they will.
	Price of gas.
	That's exactly right.
	Which means they're going to sway MAGA.
	Exactly.
	This poor stewardship of the economy is very, very likely going to be politically painful for this administration.
	The problem, as I see it for them, and I'm not in the business of trying to give good advice to the left, but the problem as I see it, the hatred that they feel for America, Prevents them from doing the kinds of things that should be done.
	When I was younger, we had a president that lied and said, I feel your pain.
	He pretended that he was us.
	And he downplayed what his activist intentions were.
	What we are witnessing now is an administration that is unbounded.
	You just see now Title IX.
	Push to marginalize people who are biologically women in the name of gender politics.
	It doesn't work for the middle.
	It just doesn't work.
	Is it fair to say that the Democrat Party As an institution, is really today the party of the white wealthy elites in big cities?
	Oh, it absolutely is.
	It's a cycle, by the way.
	The Democrats always claimed to be for the average guy.
	But you go back to the 19th century, and what you saw were wealthy landholders who actually owned human beings, and the Democrat Party made sure that it protected them.
	We have similar a phenomenon at work today.
	Elites are being protected by the oldest political party on the planet.
	I believe, had not, and I'm going to say this, the theft of 2020 occurred, we would be heading into 2024 with a real recollection among the left in the same way that the left did in 1988.
	You mean an internal reform of the Democrats?
	Yes.
	I don't see any solution.
	They have to be totally utterly demolished radically in the polls for them to look in the mirror and say, we got it wrong.
	And that's what happened after three successive losses in the 1980s.
	And the Southern Strategy was just a very useful myth, correct?
	Oh, absolutely.
	What we've seen from the left for some time is a willingness to use facets about us which we have no control as a means of creating a political wedge.
	And that middle, that apolitical middle, what do you think is going to be the most red-pilling for them?
	Is it going to be the economy as usual, or could it be, for example, this ideological lunacy of the transgenderism?
	In black America, that is a huge driver, and the second is immigration.
	It's reversed with the apolitical.
	They see the immigration problem as a bigger problem, but the transgenderism and some of these climate initiative issues all push against supporting them, but as I said, the left Hates America so much.
	Do you remember in 1980 when the first huge... Do you remember reading about it?
	The first huge win by Ronald Reagan.
	The New York Times ran an op-ed where the person says, I know no one!
	I know no one!
	None of my friends voted for him!
	Yeah, that was hilarious.
	Absolutely.
	Of course they didn't because you're in your lovely cosseted elite bubble.
	What a sagacious individual.
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	Great to have you in The Swamp, Horace.
	The President was on the show recently for an hour.
	We know he monitors the show.
	What piece of advice, if you had two minutes with the President, what would you tell President Trump about how to make good on those who have been red-pilled in America?
	Whether they're in the middle, whether they're blacks who are waking up to the economic reality.
	I hear this all the time.
	He needs to go into the inner city.
	He needs to go into Baltimore, into a barber shop.
	What would you say to President Trump?
	Well, I haven't been so supportive of these superficial efforts to show that I'm sympathetic to some cause or not.
	I think the real consequences of public policy matter.
	Black Americans are looking around and they're seeing that there was a yesterday and there's a today.
	And a promise to do more of that, I think, would go a very, very long way.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Ford Motor Company reported they sold more F-150s during the Trump presidency than two black Americans.
	First, they sold more to all All Americans, but they sold a record number to black Americans.
	In fact, during that period, more black Americans reported buying their first new car.
	You have to go back all the way to the Reagan administration before seeing numbers like this.
	People can tell when things are going well for them.
	They don't need the hand-holding.
	That's what the left likes to do.
	The other point that I would make to the president is, Our legal system is in fact being exploited to target him, but keep the faith.
	Our legal system is the best on the planet, and ultimately, I believe that it is going to show that it has been unfair, unfounded, and even unconstitutional for him to have been targeted the way that he has been.
	Let me squeeze in one more.
	I was at Mar-a-Lago two weeks ago when we were helping the president finalize his statement on abortion, which I thought was the right statement.
	He gave us those three Supreme Court justices.
	Now it is the states that will decide the future.
	My wife is now chair of the GOP in our county in Virginia, and she keeps getting these questions.
	What do we say about abortion? Do we run from it?
	And I say, no, you don't run from it, because the other side are lunatics.
	They want third trimester abortions. Make them look bad.
	If you were a Republican politician in the next six months, what advice would you give them when it comes to the issue
	of life and abortion?
	So I grew up reading Supreme Court rulings because of Roe v.
	Wade, and that led me down this journey to be an attorney.
	Our goal at the time was always to return back to the states.
	That is what we ultimately did.
	Now some on my side have decided to move the bar and it's no longer give this power back
	to the states, it's grant to Congress this authority.
	It is an open question where Congress actually gets the authority to regulate abortion.
	Because it's not in the Constitution.
	Right.
	If you read the dissent in Roe v. Wade, there wasn't some constitutional right to have an abortion because abortion wasn't in the Constitution.
	I agree that the excesses on the part of the left are the issues that we ought to be talking about.
	They want abortion.
	After you've painted the baby's room.
	After you've named the child.
	Yes, all of the radical things that are possible.
	In 1972, Richard Nixon said the election was going to be about amnesty, acid, and abortion.
	Well, we have amnesty, we have abortion, and there is talk about drug legalization in this administration.
	Sometimes history repeats itself, but look what happened in 1972.
	Still in favor of the subsidiarity argument that it's the state's issue?
	Yes, I am.
	Perfect.
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