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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: DeSantis supporters lash out at Tucker
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You really get the sense that Ron DeSantis, who I liked as governor, the people who represent him online are the nastiest, the stupidest, and the most zero-sum people I've ever seen in my life.
A brief comment from I think our buddy Charlie Kirk's AmFest event from Tucker Carlson that has stood a bit of a hornet's nest.
But is he wrong?
Are the people who have been quote-unquote boosting the governor of Florida nasty, nasty people?
Welcome.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is America First.
We have an amazing show for you today.
But let's start with this topic because if you're a conservative, if you follow these things online, it has been rather a dramatic response from the DeSantis influences.
Eric, I understand you've been following this issue quite closely.
Have they reacted well to Tucker Carlson's calling them unintelligent, nasty and zero-sum game?
Like clockwork, these people could not possibly be any faster in proving his point exactly.
Instantly, screenshots were going all over the place of prominent Desantis backers, as well as plenty of, you know, Desantis bots and randos saying, you know, F Tucker, he's a grifter, I always knew he was a grifter, I never liked him, I'm never listening to him again.
Like, you know these people were all mostly Tucker fanboys before this.
No, yes, of course, of course.
And it's not very wise.
Look, I may have my differences with some things that Tucker does, especially his attitude to Ukraine and his recent platforming of Alex Jones.
We shall discuss that in some detail.
I think we'll have time to do that tomorrow.
But in this instance, it is just a statement of fact.
Even before he said that, I'm surprised he said that, especially at such a public venue.
I've been saying it for months on this show.
Individuals who were Total Trump boosters for years.
As if a switch was flicked, went over to the DeSantis camp and became vituperative, foul-mouthed attackers of the President's support base and even President Trump's voters.
Which is okay if you're a crazy Democrat, if you're a member of the squad.
But if your candidate is a Republican Not too intelligent.
Okay.
The Washington Post is reporting that the FBI has tapes in which James Biden, the president's brother, is heard negotiating business ventures involving his brother, Joe Biden.
Why is this being reported from the Washington Post's platform?
The Biden business earned $24 million in just four years, 2020-15 to 2019, and the businesses used more than 20 shell companies.
2015 to 2019 and the businesses used more than 20 shell companies.
I'd like to hear from you.
Are they finally jettisoning the Bidens?
Have they decided that the Bidens are a liability?
And if so, who will be the person to replace them?
In the meantime, maybe a short list of the things that are likewise acting as an albatross around the neck of the Democrat Party.
Should be enumerated.
Our good friend Christina Wong at Breitbart has, under the title Adults In Charge, listed the top nine degenerate Democrat scandals under the presidency of Joe Biden.
The first one that we haven't spent a lot of time on It's difficult to know whether one should, but we have one sentence here.
We should at least mention that.
The most recent.
A graphic video emerged December 15th of a Democrat staffer for Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland having Homosexual sex, I won't say more than that, well I'll say buggery.
How about that?
Having buggered, been buggered by someone in the United States Senate hearing room, actually in the hearing room, not in his office, not in the Senator's office, in a Senate hearing room, which is by the way government property And is funded by you, the dear American taxpayer.
The video shows the staffer naked and all fours on a table where senators conduct their business.
I think we have a reaction from Ben Cardin, who looks like Methuselah or the Crypt Keeper, being asked about this.
And his answer, not very impressive.
Cut 10.
This staffer's boss, Senator Cardin.
How did he get in there?
I'm just curious.
And also, he called me naive, but I'm a heterosexual.
I stay out with young personnel.
Did your office book the room at the time?
I don't know the details.
Yeah, how did he get in there?
How did he get in there? I'm just curious.
And also, I call me naive, but I'm a heterosexual.
And as a heterosexual, I don't think I'd ever have sex at work.
For many reasons.
Thank you.
And I wouldn't have sex at work and then film myself and then post the video online.
This wasn't revenge porn.
This was posted by those involved in that sex act.
And one of the reasons I wouldn't do it, beyond it being utterly completely inappropriate, is that I wouldn't do that to the woman that I was having sex with.
What kind of per...
I mean, I'm not a psychiatrist.
I'm not a psychologist.
What kind of human being does that?
Forget the homosexual part of it.
Just the rest of it!
What kind of narcissist Completely devoid of any moral compass does that.
But let's go on.
Christina's list is one we should remember and we should use.
How about this?
A Virginia Senate candidate called Susanna Gibson, a Democrat, posting pornography of herself from her webcam site.
She lost her vote by sadly less than a thousand votes.
It should have been much more.
Maybe when you're running for the Virginia Senate, you shouldn't have a pornographic website.
Number three, the baggie of cocaine in the White House.
As I mentioned on the Friends program, we know Hunter Biden has a problem, but it was another member, according to Secret Service sources, another member of the Biden family who left that baggie of cocaine in the White House.
In the White House of the United States.
Number three, outside the White House, transgender influencer Rose Montoya flashes her, her, oh my gosh, I did it there, his fake breasts at the White House picnic.
If you haven't seen it, maybe you shouldn't.
Number five, the Navy enlists a drag queen to recruit more sailors.
What a great idea.
Number six.
In March, the Democrat mayor of Maryland, a buddy of Pete Boot-Edge-Edge, was arrested and given 130 years in prison for child pornography-related charges.
Number seven.
Don't forget.
Sam Brinton stole luggage on multiple occasions At US airports, he was a top official for nuclear waste disposal at the Biden Department of Energy.
Number nine, Andrew Cuomo had his own sexual allegations.
misconduct charges which led him to leaving office in 2021.
By the way, the individual who was meant to be the anointed next presidential nominee, this is the reality of the Biden administration.
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Want some cats as affiliation again?
Uh, Washington, uh, Jerusalem Post.
He's the publisher, I think.
Publisher of Jerusalem Post.
Got it.
All right.
Want the mics on for him?
Uh, yeah.
All righty.
I forget what the Jerusalem Post website was.
It was like Jpost?
Yeah, jpost.com.
All right.
I mean, he should be... He should be on Twitter.
No, that's how he got in touch with me.
He is on Twitter.
Yeah, I have his Twitter account.
Oh, no.
Ex-editor.
Former editor.
Ex-editor.
So, um... Just put yakovkatz.com.
Okay.
With two A's.
Yes.
And then put... For, like, title or... For title... Former editor of Jerusalem Post.
Former editor of Jerusalem Post.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And title for Kangor and the Monologue?
For Monologue, has there ever been a more degenerate political party?
No, the Democrats.
No, Democrats.
The Party of Degeneracy.
And then Kangor.
Kangor.
Sir, can you enable your video for us, please?
What was the best part of Kangor?
Towards the end, but Biden with the kids, probably.
No, no, the Freud stuff.
Nobody talks about that.
It's communism plus Freudianism.
Alrighty.
Two minutes, he's on the line.
Do you want an audio here for Angeltree?
Um, yes.
What do we have?
We had a mother recently, right?
Do we have a mother?
We had one from last year, the mother from LA.
Yeah, can you play it for me?
Yes, sir.
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Okay, good.
I'll see that up.
What's her name?
Do you know?
No, sir.
It just says L.A.
Mom.
Hey, Yakov.
Hey, how are you?
Good.
So, um...
We've got your former affiliation at The Post.
We've got your website, your Twitter.
Is there anything else you'd like us to put in the chyron?
You could say I'm a fellow at the Jewish People Policy Institute.
Jewish People Policy.
I'll mention that verbally.
Jewish People Policy.
I'll do that.
Don't worry about that.
Jewish People Policy.
40 seconds.
Alright.
Right, this will be a nine-minute segment, okay?
And you're live to about three million people.
30 seconds.
Fav 你和狗负责的 网友全都赞没了 I know Sebastian well.
Listen to him.
He's with us.
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of the Jerusalem Post, now fellow with the Jewish People Policy Institute, a truth teller
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Welcome to America First.
It's great to be with you, Sebastian.
So, you've been doing some great work on social media.
Everybody needs to follow you right now at YaakovKatz and at YaakovKatz.com.
But let me ask you a slightly loaded question.
Did you expect, I mean we know what the Middle East is like, I know what Central and Eastern Europe is like when it comes to this virus, but did you expect these levels of anti-Semitism that we have witnessed in the last 70 days across the Western world?
You know, I think the Jewish people, we like to say we're the chosen people, but there's something incredible that is happening around the world and you're so right to highlight Is that we have Hamas terrorists come into our country, into our homes, massacre our people, rape our women, kidnap our children.
And instead of the world saying, we now stand with the Jewish people, we stand with the state of Israel.
You are seeing an unprecedented explosion of Jew hate, of antisemitism all over the world from hundreds of thousands of people marching on the London bridge.
To riots in Paris, to demonstrations and protests across all 50 states in the U.S.
There's something terribly sick that is happening today around the world.
And I think it's hard not to just say that people, they get a taste of Jewish blood and they want more of it.
And how important should it be, and how much should we emphasize the fact that, you know, despite the fringe elements, the Robert Spencers, the Fuenteses of the world, who are risible fringe characters, the institution, whether it's the president of Harvard or whether it's, you know, the Democrats walking down with the LGBT4Hamas, The institutionalized Jew hatred is coming almost exclusively, Yakov, from the left in the West.
Unfortunately, what we are seeing is that you're so right to call it institutional anti-Semitism, because that's really what it is.
I mean, when you watch the presidents of Penn, Harvard and MIT, what are supposed to be the leading institutions for the United States, for Americans, the ones that kids look up to, That they want to go to one day go to those schools.
My 11 year old, Sebastian, who has told me since he was a little kid, I want to go to Harvard one day like you, dad.
Right.
And told me after he watched that video of how the president of Harvard, Claudine K, could not say That if there are people calling for the genocide of Jewish people, that is a violation of the rules of abuse and harassment.
My 11-year-old told me, Dad, I never want to go to that place.
I never want to be there.
And we're here in Israel.
Imagine what so many American Jews who are on those campuses, who are now going through high school, what they're thinking about.
There's something terribly wrong.
With these institutions, and unfortunately they're confused.
Their progressive liberal leanings make them just be completely misguided and lose sight of what's at stake here.
It's a battle between the people who are right and the people who are wrong, and they just don't know how to stand on the right side.
I think I can see behind you some kind of Harvard certificate, but in front of it there's a helicopter gunship, so hopefully the helicopter gunship is about to open fire on your Harvard certificate.
We have to have a longer discussion, we will make that possible in the next year, but What is the right thing to do, whether it's at the Jewish People Policy Institute or whether it's for average Americans or Jewish Americans?
What is the right response to what we're witnessing?
Because we're seeing the rise in violence as well, so we have to think about that.
But what advice do you counsel, Yakov, to those who are horrified by what they've witnessed, whether it's on the streets of our cities or in the halls of Congress?
I think it's to do exactly what you're doing.
It is to speak up, to speak out, and to be loud and clear, and for people to hear and
be aware of what's really happening, and what is the side, which is the side that is the
right side and which is the side that is the evil side.
And to me, there's no, I think you and I will agree, Israel is on the right here.
There's no war that is more just and legitimate than the war that is being fought right now
between Israel and this vile, murderous, barbaric terrorist group, Hamas.
And therefore, even an average, just someone would say, what can I do?
Well, every single person has the ability to go out and talk, has the ability to write
on social media, has the ability to send a letter to their congressperson, to their mayor,
to their state representatives.
These are, these are the people who are going to be the ones who are going to be the ones
These are important tools for us to be able to get the message out and for people to understand what is right and what is wrong.
I'm going to steal that line with your permission.
I'm going to tweet that out.
Because it's indisputable.
There is no war more just than Israel's war right now.
Can you come back, Yakov, in the new year for an hour-long discussion so we can go deep into these issues?
It would be my pleasure, Seb.
Thank you so much.
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He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him, and was expecting a child.
While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son.
She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night.
An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.
But the angel said to them, Do not be afraid.
I bring you good news of great joy and will be for all the people.
Today in the town of David, a Savior has been born to you.
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You will find a baby wrapped in clothes and lying in a manger.
Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel praising God and saying, Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.
Chapter 2 of Saint Luke the Evangelist's story of the birth of our Lord and Savior.
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Hello, Dr. Gorka. A question for the Republican leadership.
When Hunter Biden was standing on the steps of the U.S.
Capitol last week saying, here I am, here I am, why didn't the Speaker of the House dispatch the U.S.
Capitol Police to apprehend him and put him in Nancy Pelosi's little jail cell in the basement of the U.S.
Capitol?
Which I believe has a three-foot-high pedestal with an electronic slideshow for people touring the Capitol.
Yeah, well look, that's not how it works.
There are procedures if you're in contempt of Congress.
You have to vote that person to be formally in contempt of Congress.
And then Congress, the Speaker, forwards a criminal referral to the federal branch, the executive, to the Department of Justice.
Which is then meant to take action, as they did illegally with Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro.
That is what should happen, Richard.
If it doesn't happen, or if the DOJ ignores such a criminal referral, then I think the only option left is for the Sergeant-at-Arms, is for the Capitol Police to be told by the Speaker to go and arrest Hunter Biden.
But I think you know the answer to the question as to why that will not happen.
Thank you, Richard.
Let's go to Tom in California, line two.
How you doing, Seth?
Good.
I run a water truck on construction sites, and I got a star, Israeli star, painted on the back of the water truck, and I write on the stinger with chalk, From the desert to the sea, soon Gaza will be roach-free.
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Did you paint a Jewish star on the back?
And when did you do that?
I do it in chalk.
And because these water trucks are dirty most of the time, it stains the white so the star is there.
And then it's squared off like a flag.
And then I ride on the stinger and wipe... What is the stinger?
I don't know what a stinger is when it comes to water trucks and construction.
It's the back, in case you get stuck, they can push you.
I run on grading sites, so we do a lot of the Amazons and everything.
Got it.
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I agree with a lot of his policies.
I had a good working relationship with him.
But rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him.
We all know that.
Chaos follows and we can't be a country in disarray and have a world on fire and make it through four years of chaos.
We can't.
I said rightly or wrongly.
I'm confused, Nikki.
Either he was the right president or... Jeff, didn't you say that he was the right president at the time?
Well, rightly or wrongly, though.
That's what it is.
But hang on, what is this chaos?
Does she mean like the chaos of BLM, the Democrats and Antifa?
Was that our fault in the White House?
This is how you try to run against someone that has overwhelming support in the party.
There's nothing to do.
She just makes up stupid things like this.
I mean, if securing the border, the strongest stock market, lowest unemployment, crushing ISIS, if that's chaos, Eric, don't we need more of that chaos?
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How does it affect you?
Let's get it all unpacked by our buddies at Key City Capital, the man who knows, Steven Patterson.
Welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
All right, so look, I'm not the expert.
You are the expert.
You and your team at Keystone Capital are the experts.
But I was kind of surprised by this news.
I'm just going to read a headline from the Wall Street Journal.
Fed holds rates steady and sees cuts next year.
So why did the Federal Reserve do this?
And how significant is it for the average American?
Yeah, it's going to make a huge difference once they begin the rate cuts.
The big news is that we didn't continue to see inflation grow, and they held rates steady now for three consecutive meetings.
You know, they've been on an aggressive rate increase campaign since February of 22, where they've basically gone up 5.25%.
So if you've gone out and priced a mortgage or tried to buy a new car,
you've seen how expensive the cost of borrowing money is.
And it's put a real damper on the economy.
And it's put a real damper on the average American spending.
What they found was inflation is beginning to cool.
They showed it at 3.1% for the month of November.
And so they said, you know what, not only can we pause, but we really feel like going into the new year that we may see two or three cuts coming.
And that was huge news to the economy.
All right, so right now we've got the figures, you've got, you know, car loans up to 9%, mortgage rates hitting more than 7%.
If it slows down, if we get some cuts in the new year, what does that mean for big purchases like homes and how do you guys come into the picture?
Yeah, no, I think it makes it much more affordable.
It doesn't necessarily change the price of the homes, but what it does is it makes it a bit more affordable.
Here's a very interesting statistic that I found just today, and you know, anybody can check me on this.
The National Association of Realtors Said 51% of Americans, the median annual salary is $75,000.
What that translates into is being able to afford a home of about $256,000.
However, in just this last release from the Federal Reserve's economic data, The median home price in this country was $431,000.
I want you to think about that.
That's $180,000 discrepancy.
So what does that spell?
It spells that more Americans need rental real estate than ever before because The average home has become simply unaffordable based on the average income.
I need to repeat that because that's a stunning figure and that's why we get you on the show.
So, average income $75,000, average home $250,000, but the cost has increased to almost $400,000, which means people at that average income level simply cannot purchase.
Am I hearing you right?
Yeah, no, you are spot on and this is why we see the demand in rental real estate.
Jumping like it is because unfortunately, you know The u.s.
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Mm-hmm.
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He told me about the economy.
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It was off the charts.
A very young crowd, 52% of them, according to Mr. Cook, were under 30.
You know, the same people we see all the time brought the house down again.
Chalker, Admiral Bannon, But what really fired up the crowd was Vivek.
He was really good.
Yeah, I think we have a cut of Vivek from yesterday we might want to play.
I know our good friend Natalie Winters and Admiral Bannon were broadcasting from the floor, as were others.
I, sadly, was not in attendance.
But it is an amazing opportunity to see the next generation of Patriots come together.
Congratulations to Charlie Kirk.
Do we have that Vivek cut?
OK, let's play.
And then you get the mainstream media.
You got this character Van Jones on CNN afterwards saying, this is the rise of an American demagogue who's gonna live 50 years longer than Trump.
This is dangerous.
I am shaking.
That's what he says.
Just shut the f**k up.
At a certain point, just shut the f**k up.
So Van Jones is calling Vivek Ramaswamy a fascist dictator?
Hey Jeff, isn't Van Jones the guy who ended up working in the Obama administration after he openly said, I'm a communist?
Yeah, and the difference though is back then he actually got fired for that though.
He actually had to leave and resign.
Right.
But now it wouldn't be a problem.
Now he'd get promoted, right?
Yeah.
But the guy who calls himself a communist, he's the one calling Vivek a threat, an authoritarian.
Hey, Van, do you know how many people you commies killed in the last hundred years?
Over a hundred million.
It's 50 million alone in China.
I guess you understand you're the bigger problem than an Indian from an immigrant family who made himself here in America.
God, these people are such liars.
Where did that hour go?
One down, two to go.
Lord Black, we're going to have Stephen Moore and you here on America First, wherever you are, whatever you're doing.
Don't touch that dial.
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Can I just ask a question since you all are so on the internet and like I'm not that much.
You really get the sense that Ron DeSantis, who I liked as governor, the people who represent him online are the nastiest, the stupidest, and the most zero-sum people I've ever seen in my life.
That was Tucker Carlson talking about the presidential nominee's race, the primaries.
A comment that has caused a little bit of consternation on the right, calling the DeSantis campaign influences some of the most Nasty and unintelligent people out there.
There is something to that, especially when you're attacking President Trump and those who worked for him, and you say you are a Republican.
Let's unpack that and so much more with one of our fan favorites, the author most recently of President Donald J. Trump, a president like no other, and numerous works on presidential history and so much more.
You can follow his works at ConradMBlack.com and the Co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
Thank you very much, Sebastian.
Always a pleasure.
I'm not going to ask you whether or not you agree with Tucker's analysis of the social media influences the DeSantis campaign hired.
However, we do have the... I think it was over the weekend, was it not, I think, Eric, or Friday, that Jeff Rowe, the chief campaign eminence grise of the Super PAC behind DeSantis, very publicly resigned. In the history of
presidential campaigns, would it be fair to say that the DeSantis
campaign looks to be one of the most ill run of recent history?
You're asking me that, are you?
Yes.
I think one of the most disappointing...
I mean, I agree with what Tucker said.
I think he's been an excellent governor, and frankly, if he were the nominee, I think, I mean, I personally would hope that he would win, and I think he would be a good president.
But for reasons that I must confess remain a mystery to me, his campaign is bombed.
I mean, I don't find him unpleasant when he speaks.
He leaves a few things out, and I think he's weak on foreign policy.
He doesn't take positions carefully.
And a couple of the things he said about Trump were a bit snide, but on the other hand, some
of the things Trump has said about him are a bit snide, too.
But I honestly don't know why, with all the hopes that were reposed in Governor DeSantis
as essentially Trump policy without Trump's baggage, and in some respects a better CV,
I mean, a combat record, a military record, and academically maybe perhaps a slightly
more distinguished one.
I mean, I, by the way, think that Trump in fact is extremely well qualified, but in unusual ways as a business executive and as a showman.
uh... it would all uh... it looked like a ding dong battle was shaping up
between him and the former president and it hasn't happened and
i'm you see i don't they send me a lot of stuff but i don't read it as
carefully as i guess tucker does so i i don't notice that
but it's ineptly formulated I mean, what I've seen, you know, all these things are terribly self-serving and his don't seem exceptional compared to others.
But something has gone terribly wrong there.
And whether it's the staff he had or what it is, I don't know.
I just don't know.
Do you know?
I mean, why is he trailing by 50 points in Michigan and trailing Trump?
Well, we've got some very fresh poll data we'll share with you momentarily, but it's not I don't want to oversimplify things, but it's quite obvious, is it not, that if you're trying to follow in the footsteps of the 45th President, your influences, your surrogates, shouldn't be attacking his supporters.
Which is a very simple pathway, for example, on the other hand, Vivek Ramaswamy has taken, who hasn't assaulted President Trump.
That's absolutely right.
too many people who don't like him therefore I'm going to continue but I'm
not going to attack him. The mathematics of it doesn't seem overly complex. If you
want to be Trumpian you shouldn't be hiring people to attack his supporters.
Yeah that's absolutely right. I haven't detected DeSantis himself
attacking his supporters but if that's what's going on that does explain a lot
of it. Frankly I think that the the chief explanation for Trump's huge lead is if I
may put it so crudely, he's Trump.
And most Republicans think that he was a good president, and that he was probably cheated out of the election, and therefore he deserves to be re-elected, and particularly deserves to be re-elected because of the corrupt perversion of the justice system that is the last stand of the Democrats to try and keep him out of a comeback.
And so it's really Trump against the Democrats, and DeSantis and the rest of them are neither here nor there.
Yeah.
You point out in your latest piece yesterday from the New York Sun that DeSantis tried to sell himself by representing Trumpism without President Trump, however self-immolated by allowing for only six weeks for an abortion in Florida.
I'm trying to work out what is the logic of that.
Why would you go to that extreme and who are you winning as opposed to who are you putting off?
Well, as you know, what the governor says is that this is what the Floridians want.
Right.
Now, it's a state with a large number of, I think, quite fervent Roman Catholics, many of them from Cuba, and a large number of elderly people who are beyond childbearing age anyway.
And I don't doubt that that is what they want.
But knowing that as he did, that he was running for president, he should have known that if
he went ahead with a six-week cap on abortions, he would pay for it.
And that has happened.
But look, that whole idea, as you know, because we've talked about it often before in this
program, of Trumpism without Trump is rubbish.
And you, you have a European background.
I go back to Gaullism without de Gaulle.
And even at the tender age I was then, I said that's nonsense.
Or Thatcher without Thatcher.
It just doesn't work.
Yeah, of course.
And it's been a failure.
It's been a complete and total failure.
We're back to Ted Heath's Conservative Party.
Well, let's put this latest figure up.
I literally received it just minutes before you came online.
This is from the one pollster I trust in America, Rich Barris of Big Data Polling.
This is the latest article just put online.
Trump hits 50% for the first time as appetite for third party recedes.
So this is against Biden.
So he has hit 50% in multiple states in the United States.
This is quite remarkable, is it not, given that we are 11 months out before the election?
It is very remarkable, and I realize, and we can all see it, all your listeners will see it, the steady retreat that the anti-Trump forces, both the Trump haters and the Democrats and the never-Trumpers and the Republicans, the subtle distinction between them, have made, just the retreating from trench to trench, like the early months of World War I or something, And, and we're, you know, we've gone, we've gone through, you know, Peggy Noonan saying to the Republicans, don't be afraid of Trump, his support is withering all the time, which obviously is nonsense.
And Brit Hume saying, well, Biden defeated him before he can defeat him again.
I mean, the two don't mean the same thing.
I mean, you know, that's just nonsense.
things are completely different than when they were during COVID, when the Democrats were able
to change all the vote counting rules and run a candidate who still seemed compass-mentis
in his basement and promote woke violence all around the country and blame it on Trump.
All of that is gone, and we've seen three years of utter incompetence from the Democratic
administration, and we're now down to MAGA is fascism, democracy is at risk, because the whole,
you know, the ace card up their sleeve of indicting them in a lot of ridiculous counts
that even people who don't like Trump but know about the law, like Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan
Turley, say.
You know, nothing is working.
So to me, you and I have said right from the start, Trump is going to win.
And it just seems to me that we've been on a winning ticket all along and it gets stronger every week.
Every time we talk it just gets better and better.
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So I'm going to go ahead and get started.
I'm going to play a couple of cuts here.
Conrad, we'll give you a heads up.
Let's play John Carl, cut four for Conrad.
But he got his mojo.
He was down at that point, by the way, 20 points in the polls to a theoretical matchup with Ron DeSantis.
That all faded away.
He got his energy when he came up with this idea of, I am going to go out.
I'm going to utterly root out and annihilate my enemies, the dictatorial Fascist imagery talk.
That is where he got his... I don't know.
It's certainly the people responded, but he became stronger because that's who he is at this point.
Okay, that's John Cullen, MSNBC, calling Trump a fascist.
And then we have Jake Tapper actually saying he is mirroring Hitler.
Cut nine.
according to Hitler, posed an existential threat to Germany because, quote,
all great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out
from blood poisoning, unquote. There's really no other way to say it. Donald Trump's language
mirrors this directly. I'll be playing both of those on the on air for you, Conrad.
How's that? How's the new term coming along?
wrong.
The history of everything?
Oh yeah, look, I'm just finishing up the Renaissance.
I'm coming right up to the 30 Years War.
Oh my gosh, how many words so far?
I'm afraid over a million now, but counting both volumes.
But, you know, it's the history of the world.
Look, if you want, I'll send you a copy of the first volume.
Please, absolutely.
So what is your writing schedule?
Do you carve out a set number of hours every day?
Well, you know, I have an investment business that I run.
It's my own money, basically.
Business before pleasure.
But when I'm free, one thing about writing is, you know, you can do it anytime.
You do it at four in the morning or on a plane or anywhere.
But you don't set, you don't say, I'm going to do, you know, six to eight in the morning, I'm going to write.
No, what I do do is I generally set aside between About midnight and 2 a.m.
to write.
Midnight and 2 a.m.
Yeah, you're a night owl like me.
Yep.
Yeah.
Standby.
I think everybody writes, either writes late at night or early in the morning.
Correct.
My wife is the, you know, the 6 a.m.
I'm the late at night.
Standby.
Do you want to come in with something?
No, I'll just do Angel Tree without any audio.
Angel Tree, no audio.
All right.
Actually, come in with Nikki Haley, and then I'll do Angel Tree, and then I'll tee up the other cuts.
Three, and then you'll tee up nine and four.
Four and nine.
Twenty seconds.
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right time.
I agree with a lot of his policies.
I had a good working relationship with him.
But rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him.
We all know that.
Chaos follows him.
But the left has been part of that.
But we can't be a country and disarray and have a world on fire and make it through four years of chaos.
We can't.
I said rightly or wrongly.
What does that phrase even mean, rightly or wrongly?
I mean, does that mean you're not going to make a judgment because you're afraid to do so?
That's Nikki Haley saying he was the right president at the right time.
OK.
So what's the problem with having him re-elected?
So very strange.
As somebody has said on many occasions, it's Jeb Bush in high heels.
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Lord Black, they're just not giving up with the Insane verbiage of dictatorship and even fascism and being Hitler.
Here is a John Carl of MSNBC talking about what was his interpretation of DeSantis Vice Trump and then smearing him.
Cut 4.
But he got his mojo.
He was down at that point, by the way, 20 points in the polls to a theoretical matchup with Ron DeSantis.
That all faded away.
He got his energy when he came up with this idea of I am going to go out.
I'm going to utterly root out and annihilate my enemies.
The dictatorial Fascist imagery talk.
That is where he got his, his, I don't, I don't know.
It's certainly the people responded, but he became stronger because that's who he is at this point.
A flagrant rewriting of history.
President Trump was never down 20 points against Governor DeSantis and then he goes on to call him a fascistic.
It's not just MSNBC, of course it's CNN.
Former Democrat staffer Jake Tapper literally making the comparison to Hitler.
Cut 9.
According to Hitler, posed an existential threat to Germany because quote, all great cultures of the past perished Only because the originally creative race died out from blood.
Poisoning.
Unquote.
There's really no other way to say it.
Donald Trump's language mirrors this directly.
So, calling a man who received 63 billion and then 74 million votes a Hitler, a fascist, a potential dictator.
How should we file this away?
How should we categorize this?
Is this signs of desperation?
Yes, I think so.
I think they've got no other argument.
I mean, it's not just that he got a lot of votes.
I mean, in fairness, Hitler himself, you know, did well in the 32 election.
He lost to Hindenburg the presidential election, but he still got a lot of votes.
But then he went on to behave like Hitler, which is not what President Trump did.
Exactly.
The point is, here is a president Uh, running for re-election, but I mean, not consecutive terms, but running to get that office back, who we had in office for four years.
He did not do one thing.
Or say one thing, remotely reminiscent of a racist, a dictator, a warmonger.
For the first time in a long time, the U.S.
was in no wars.
His family is approximately a third Protestant, a third Catholic, and a third Jewish.
He doesn't have a racist bone in his body, despite these imputations to him that never stop.
And that's the reason, one of the reasons I think he's picking up so many Hispanic and African-American votes.
And so we know him, we've seen him in office.
There was nothing, nothing to justify a comparison with someone who would rank as one of the most evil people in the entire history of the world, who plunged all Europe into war and murdered at least 12 million unoffending civilians. They had committed no offenses of
any kind and in the most barbarous, unimaginable, savage circumstances, he murdered them. And this is the
person that they are comparing Trump to. This is a
cheapening of the atrocities, a dilution of the atrocities of Hitler and not an effective slander on Trump.
Given your background, your expertise, your history in running a media empire, your knowledge of presidential
politics and American politics, what do you expect for the next 11 months?
Will this language, is it possible for it to escalate or accelerate?
Where do they go from here?
Especially if, as we've witnessed, he continues to get more popular.
Well, see, I think that's the reassuring thing.
I mean, the closer they get to throwing the kitchen sink at him, the more the voters say, this is not how our election should be conducted, we're going to support this guy.
As I've said on this program and elsewhere, the Trump that some people hate isn't there anymore.
The Trump they hated was someone they thought was a boor and a bully and a rich braggart With a very indifferent commercial past, you know, Trump University and the casino bankruptcies and that kind of thing.
And they didn't like it.
And now the Trump they have is a man we saw for four years.
Almost everybody agrees that in policy terms he was a good president.
And we now see him uniquely in the history of the United States persecuted by a rank
and outrageous and criminal perversion of the justice system to try and stop a political
opponent.
And he's an underdog, and even though he's a wealthy man and an ex-president, people
like an underdog fighting a just cause.
And whether you like Trump as a person, whether you like him as a president, this is a just
No candidate should be treated this way.
Accused of being like Hitler and persecuted by a partisan justice system that's corrupted.
And people don't like it.
And the more they do it, the stronger Trump gets.
That shows the people are strong, the country is strong.
Yeah, and as you say, one of the lasting consequences will be just the cheapening of language and the cheapening of the actual horrors of 20th century history, such as fascism itself and the Third Reich.
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We're making up for it today because, not just because it's one of my favorite topics, but because of the man who Help me become a very special person in this stinking infested rat hole that is Washington DC.
He is Leon Spears of Concealed Carry DC.
That's sorry DCconcealedcarry.com.
Leon, welcome back to studio for a slightly longer discussion and I like your hat.
That's a very nice.
Oh, it's very nice.
Matches your jacket.
It does.
He's got an America first.
So, we have so much to discuss, we're going to have a couple of segments, so relax, no need to hurry.
Before we get to the state of the city, will you walk through the fascinating story that, if I didn't know about it, I think millions of those listening wouldn't know about it, about what happened to Washington D.C.
and the capacity for properly trained and vetted individuals To carry concealed firearms.
D.C.
is not this, you know, non-issue dictatorship, and you have a very special story.
So walk us through the reality of D.C.
and the Second Amendment.
So I was the first person in the United States to have a D.C.
concealed carry permit.
In 2008, Richard Heller decided to sue.
This is the famous Heller case.
Yes, the famous Heller.
He sued three times, but he was successful in all three.
And the argument was that they're denuding him of his civil rights, his Second Amendment rights.
He wanted to register a regulated firearm in the District of Columbia.
There was a decades-old ban on regulated firearms in DC.
They denied him.
He took them all the way up the food chain, and he won.
The Supreme Court ruled.
The late Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion, 5-4.
And it was scathing against DC, but allowed now firearms to be registered in the District of Columbia in order.
That's to have the ownership, right?
Ownership for the self-defense in your home.
In your home.
Yes, that's how it worked.
Yes, and then step two was to get outside of your home.
There was a case, Palmer v.
D.C., and then he sued just on the bear argument that Heller had lost.
So on the first case, he sued on keep and bear arms, just like the Second Amendment affords us.
He won the keep argument, he did lose the bear argument and then it was taken up and then it was actually won.
The bear argument then allowed DC to now create a concealed carry permit and then people started concealing as of 2014.
But isn't there an interesting twist that that second case didn't go all the way to the Supreme Court?
It did not.
And the DC realized that we're not going to fight this.
If we get the wrong decision, state after state is going to lose.
Yeah, there are typically, traditionally six states that have very, very stringent gun laws.
Maryland, obviously DC, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, California, Hawaii, they really have stringent gun laws.
And did they tell D.C.
not to fight this in the Supremes?
They essentially wink-winked and said, please don't take this up to the Supremes, because if you have lost your shall issue arguments, if you take it up to the Supremes and lose again, then we all become shall issues.
Now, they're all meaning they can't stop you from applying for a permit.
They can never stop you from applying, but it was a may issue jurisdiction.
It was very, very subjective.
And so it was up to committees and personnel.
But now it shall issue.
And the idea, just listen to what this man says.
The District of Columbia is a shall-issue state.
You have to meet certain criteria, which I did, thanks to this man.
But, shockingly, I can carry a gun concealed in D.C.
And you can, too.
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And did he have some institutional backing?
No, he just had more money than God.
He took them all the way up the... Oh, really?
Yeah, he took them all the way, ying-yang.
They fought tooth and nail, and then they realized that they had to actually create a concealed carry scheme, per se.
And once they did, that was July 25th of 2014, and then they were good to go.
They had 90 days to comply.
And how did you get to be Mr. Number One?
Because I actually had the foresight of creating the domain so I owned the domain and then I created a website and put all the bigwigs on on my website and just made them look happy you know it's not you know it's um it's it was my approach to say You don't have to be antagonistic.
You don't have to be antagonistic.
Guns aren't the boogeyman.
So you have nice black and white photos of Mary and Barry, Bowser.
Are you a tech head or did somebody do that for you?
I'm a tech head.
So I did it.
And so people then would come to my office and say, is this where DC concealed carry is?
Does DC have a concealed carry?
I was like, not yet, not yet.
And then all of a sudden the law passed.
You were number one in line.
Number one in line.
The government called me.
They were like, well, do you have an application?
I created the applications.
I drafted all their applications for them.
So you help them basically?
Oh yeah, I'm drafting some other stuff right now for them.
When is the mag thing going to change, the mag cap?
Judge Benitez threw it down, so hopefully next legislative session.
Wow.
Yeah, so he then clearly said that if there is a state government that suppresses the OEM capacity of a magazine, it's unconstitutional.
He actually made it regarding the OEM cap.
That's interesting.
So no magazine, if it was designed for that firearm, can be restricted to an arbitrary 10-round.
Is his argument like a trade-related one, that you're impinging upon the trade?
It's found in air, based on the Bruin standard.
Wow, that's fascinating.
Yeah, so they just, you know, governments want to suppress gun rights.
They just arbitrarily just made 10.
I mean, there's no rhyme or reason for 10.
So you think that'll be like sometime in January?
Hopefully next legislative session, so probably next summer.
You know, that's my goal.
Oh, next summer.
I think so.
Yeah, I'm going to do a citizen at the top here.
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Okay, so we're back to the fascinating story that even I, Gun Nut Gawker, wasn't aware of.
That DC became a shall-issue state, but I had to meet certain requirements.
And who helped me do that?
The man who's in studio.
Pistol permit number one, Leon Spears of DCConcealedCarry.com.
So, I've got my permit on me.
I'm strapped.
I'm carrying my 9mm.
Tell everybody what you did for me, what the process is in DC.
I'm not a resident, so even people who aren't residents can go through it.
So, what is the system?
Okay, very easy.
I'm not a resident either.
So, sure enough, there are four requirements.
Number one, you have to actually come get classroom training.
Okay, there's a 16-hour requirement.
The second thing is... Let's talk a little bit about that.
So it's the laws, regulations.
Module one is legal.
Okay, situational awareness, self-defense policies, the history, how DC got there, sensitive places.
Places you can't carry even if you have a permit.
Correct.
Yes, there originally were 14, now there are 18 sensitive places.
They're all technically reasonable.
You know, no firearms in the White House, no firearms in the FBI building.
But sure enough, there are sensible places where you cannot take a firearm, and outside of those areas you can carry in a federal space, and it's a great, powerful permit to have.
So that's part one?
Part one is legal.
And then part two, module two, is weapon manipulation.
So tap rack drills, clearance drills, eye exams, hand dominance, how to clean firearms, holstering, reholstering, all that jazz.
Fundamentals of shooting, that's module two.
The third requirement outside of actually coming to class and shooting is that you have to apply.
So when you apply, you make an appointment, you go down to NPD, and then all of a sudden you apply, they'll capture your signature, they'll take your picture, fingerprint you, and then they'll send you a concealed care permit.
But in that process, there is a fourth.
And that you have to register a firearm.
So once you register a firearm, then you're good to go.
Then you can carry that firearm in the city.
But we skipped over something very quickly.
You have to show a certain level of proficiency on a range with you, right?
Yes, you have to qualify.
It's a 50-round course.
Well, for me, because I shot a lot.
But yeah, you're an avid shooter.
You did extraordinarily well.
Yes.
All right, so you know what surprised me about the classroom training?
The number of women who came to your class.
Oh, yes.
Really.
I mean, a lot of women.
It's like almost 50%.
Yeah, so women, specifically African American women, are the largest and newest group of gun ownership in the country, only because there have been, post-COVID, there have been a lot of environmental shifts, working dynamics, there have been divorces, and so they have been, you know, they have homes, they're by themselves, they want to defend themselves, and it's a shock.
And not just that, let's look at some of the headlines from this city.
Only 600,000 people live in DC.
Here's one from WSA99.
DC's homicide rate is now the highest it's been for 20 years.
Yeah.
Let's keep going.
What else do we have?
This figure blows my mind.
This is in this year.
Over 900 carjackings reported in D.C.
this year amid the increase in crime.
How has this affected your business, Mr. Concealed Carry?
People are fearful and so people sign up.
They come to my office.
They just want to be empowered.
A lot of times they look at the news and they get very disgruntled.
They're like, man, the city used to not be this way.
U Street used to not be this way.
Yeah, you can walk out my door and, you know, down at City Center there have been robberies in broad daylight, kids with masks.
FBI agents having their cars stolen from them in daylight.
And you know what the deal is, is the policies of the administration in regard to Nobel policy.
So juveniles, even if they get caught, they're getting locked up and then all of a sudden they're getting released.
Four or five hours later, they're back on the streets.
So if you do not have a strong hammer to implement the laws that are currently on the books, Defend yourself.
It's just defend yourself.
We've got 60 seconds left in this segment.
We'll keep you over till the end of the hour.
50 seconds, Leon.
What is your message to those, especially women, who may feel intimidated by the idea of learning to handle a weapon?
I would say sit in the front row, come to my office, and just be empowered.
You don't have to be SEAL Team 6.
You can literally just come, figure out how to hold a firearm, if you come upon a firearm, how to manipulate the firearm, how to take it apart, and just encourage yourself with others.
Have that conversation with everybody in the home, and then go once a month.
Every other month.
Go to the range, shoot your firearm, empower yourself.
And by the way, it's not just about empowerment.
It's fun!
Especially with that new range, this like super luxury range out in Virginia, X-Cal.
That's where we had a lot of fun a couple of months ago, shooting the Terran tactical with our buddies, Shermichael Singleton and the guys.
John Keyes.
So guys, it's just fun and it's a whole new family.
We'll talk about that in a second.
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But I thought you were carrying a Signa?
Yeah, I was shooting it today.
I literally just came from the range about an hour ago.
It's the P365X Compensated, which is their new name.
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So how many rounds is that?
Oh, it's a 19 plus 1.
Oh, a 19 plus 1.
It's just phenomenal.
I'm excited about the new Gen 5 10mm Glock.
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What did you get?
XDP or what did you buy?
No, I did Civil Liberty.
Civil Liberty?
That's the only ammo to buy.
It's the best ammo you can get.
Civil Liberty?
Civil Liberty, yes.
Interesting.
Yeah, it's the fastest round you can buy.
Very, very light.
You should just feel the weight of this.
This is a nine mil.
Feel how light that is.
Well, it's like a blank.
Yeah, it's phenomenal.
What is the metal?
Do you know?
And in fact, it's only 78 grain.
Oh my, that must be flying.
It must be like 50.
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Everybody has to check out your website dcconcealedcarry.com even if you don't live here but you have business in DC like I do dcconcealedcarry.com and follow him at Leon Spears that's at Leon Spears.
What is your message beyond those who want to get certified with you and carry to those who just you know because we've had I think 35 million new gun owners since COVID.
What is your message to those who've just bought a gun and have joined our family but haven't really discovered the joys of gun ownership.
What do you say to them?
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Don't explore just because because you could hurt yourself.
Read the manuals.
Go to a certified instructor like myself.
Then sit down, understand the process and then be genuinely seeking wonderful assistance at the range.
Don't be afraid to ask.
Don't be afraid to ask.
Don't play Rambo.
Yeah, don't play Rambo.
It's funny, the stat though is women shoot better than men at first.
Dude, my daughter, when I gave her a .22 to shoot at like age 10, she was like laser dead eye.
Yeah.
There's something about the motor control, the hand-eye or something.
Well, most women, they shoot better than men because they're fearful.
So they listen to every, every syllable.
We have attitude, right?
Every syllable.
And so the ego kicks in, but then they don't come back.
And so then the guys get mad and they go to the range.
I think the next thing I have to do is to get my wife to be trained by this guy.
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We have created nearly 10,000 million jobs since President Biden took office.
That's impressive!
10,000 million jobs in a nation of 330 million.
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Uh, well, I don't know how she did that.
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What has been done to our national economy in the last three years?
And can we ever turn it around?
Let's ask the man who wrote the book, Trumponomics, who gave me a secret plan when we were in Mar-a-Lago just Over a week ago.
It's crazy.
He is the distinguished fellow from the Heritage Foundation, Steve Moore.
Welcome back to America First.
Hey, Sebastian.
Good to be with you.
All right, so we had a wonderful time recently at the Moms for America Gala in Mar-a-Lago.
You were there separately to see the boss, who That was a secret meeting.
You just happened to be passing by Florida on your way to somewhere else or hanging out in the gala
It was an amazing convocation of conservatives some of whom I don't know maybe in the next administration
Carrie Lake was there. I'd like to see her maybe in the VP slot at the same time
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And let's just share some of the findings with our millions of listeners right now, because we're being lied to.
Propaganda is coming from the podium in the White House.
So break it down for us, please.
What is The damage done to the economy in the last three years.
How bad is it, Steve?
So this is probably going to be the makings of Trumponomics 2, right?
2.0.
And, you know, everybody knows that whether they like Donald Trump or not, that his policies
for the economy were, you know, fabulously successful.
The tax cuts, the better trade policies, the drill, baby drill, you know, securing the
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So what I did for President Trump, and that's why I was there at Mar-a-Lago that day, I
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Here's what happened under Trump.
You know, really pretty easy, you know, and just showing that contrast.
And by the way, the president loved it.
You know, he was going crazy over it.
And we called it, you know, the Trump boom and the Biden bust.
Yes.
And so, I mean, the statistics are pretty obvious.
I'll start with some of the big ones.
Maybe the most important one that you don't hear this White House talking about, about what's happened to average middle income family income.
So under Trump, and these are adjusted for inflation, we had about $6,000 increase.
that is to say the average family had six thousand dollars more to spend in real terms yes in real
terms yes and under biden it's negative 2 100 so that's a pretty that's an eight thousand dollars
and so when biden's talking about how great things are he seems so out of touch with you
know main street america doesn't he and I mean, yeah.
Everybody in Washington, where we are right now... Oh, we're fine!
Yeah, exactly.
It's people out in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and states like that are just getting crushed.
You know, mortgage rates.
Mortgage rates were 3% when Trump was in office.
Today, the mortgage rate's 7.5%.
Inflation rate, 1.6% when Trump... Can we just stop on one of those?
Because, you know, I was fortunate enough, because my wife is a...
Always online, looking out for good real estate deals, and we bought our home three or almost four years ago now, got a great deal on a mortgage.
If we were trying to do it now, we would be paying double the interest rate.
That's exactly right.
Let's just focus on this one thing out of the many charts, and I think it is perhaps the one that affects everyone in addition to the price of gas.
How does that impact Not just the statistics for a nation, but the lives of average Americans.
Not only is it the fact that the mortgages double as much in terms of interest, but because it's so high, nobody's selling, Steve.
So if you want to buy a home, you can't!
So higher mortgage rate is bad for a home buyer and a home seller.
So like most people, my principal asset is my home, you know?
And so the home value declines if people have to pay a higher mortgage rate.
This is just math, right?
And so you're right.
So for home sellers, the value of their number one asset is declining.
So it means when they sell their house, they're going to have less money.
For the home buyers, like my kids and your kids, They're going to have to pay, the average mortgage rate for a median home was about $1,800 a month under Trump.
$3,500 now.
Just that one figure.
Just that one figure.
And by the way, that's every month for 30 years.
Right.
Now, yeah, five years from now you may be able to refinance, but you're going to have to pay a penalty for that and so on.
So what's happened is it's kind of paralyzed that.
Now, I think, unfortunately, what's going to have to happen here is that home values are going to have to fall.
That's going to hurt, you know, seniors who have held on to their home for 30 years.
So it's a bad news story for everybody.
Let's talk about other things.
Let's talk about just, you had one chart in there, which was just the staples of life.
Food, for example.
This is another thing that is stunning that the administration denies the fact that if you buy a pound of bacon or some eggs, you're talking about 20, 30, 40% more.
So, this again, where, I don't know if they're just lying or they're mathematically stupid.
I'm going to ask you that next.
I don't know.
They're pretty dumb, too.
So, when Biden keeps saying, I brought prices down, what is he talking about?
Prices are still rising.
Now, it is true they're not rising as fast as they were.
So, when Biden came in, remember, again, let's go back to Trump.
1.6% inflation when he left office.
18 months later, unbelievable.
I wouldn't have even thought this was possible.
1.6% inflation to 9.2% inflation in 18 months.
I mean, how do you screw it up so quickly?
Now, it's come down to about 3.5% now, but That 9% last year and the high 6% the year before, that's baked in the cake.
That means from now forever, those prices are going to be higher.
So when Biden keeps saying the prices are lower, no they're not.
When you go to the grocery store, when you go to the gas pump, when you pay your mortgage, when you pay your utility bill, all of these things are higher.
And incidentally, you know, the official mortgage rate, I mean the inflation rate right now is, you know, 3.5%.
But you know what?
If you look at the things people have to buy, the food, the bacon, the groceries, the gas, the mortgage, the utility bill, those things are... So explain that discrepancy, that we have this official inflation figure.
And the average American knows that's a fraction of what they're having to pay more.
People get so mad at me when they see me.
They say, why do you keep saying the inflation rate?
I say, I'm just telling you the government numbers.
So is it just propaganda?
No, look, it is true that computer prices are falling, communications, you know, those kinds of things are falling.
But guess what?
That's not what you need to survive.
You know, those aren't the essentials.
And so that's where people are really getting hammered.
I think the reason Biden and whoever it is, the Democrats run is going to get killed next year is because he means metaphorically, gentlemen, ladies, I mean, you know, lose politically is because people's Standard of living has fallen. So does it go back to the
The whore old saying that it's the economy stupid in its pocketbooks. Well, it's what we back there. It's exactly
what Reagan said Yeah, you know, are you better off and you were four years
ago and for most America?
I mean, you don't have to believe me every single poll So 70% of Americans are saying no I'm worse off and that's
I think the key to Trump's victory And then what about that clip we played, you know, there's
3,000 million new jobs You're not creating jobs when you're allowing people to go back to jobs that were closed down under COVID, correct?
I mean, that's the slight of hand.
I don't think Americans are falling for this.
You know, 80% of the jobs that Biden said he's, quote, created are simply jobs that came back, were actually created, many of them under Trump, because we had the jobs boom under Trump.
And now once, you know, I think The one biggest mistake that was made during COVID, one of the greatest mistakes in history, was shutting down those businesses.
That should have never happened, or the schools.
And I think, you know, Trump was trying, you know this, Trump was trying to get it reopened.
And oh my god, he's gonna kill people!
Remember, and so, I think, you know, Trump made some mistakes at the beginning, but he, you know, you know what his biggest mistake was?
What?
Not firing Anthony.
Fauci.
Fauci was wrong on everything.
I mean, every single thing he said, folks, was wrong.
And now he's saying, you see, you know, this guy's such a liar.
He said, oh, I wouldn't want to shut down the economy.
No, they have no shame.
The man who admits he doesn't go to church anymore.
We know why you don't go to church, because you are a liar and you have far too much to confess.
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I want to show one thing I photographed as I was reading your report on the way home from Mar-a-Lago on the plane.
Do we have that image?
This is the image you used in every graph.
That's gas prices.
Yeah, gas prices.
But whatever it is, gas prices, mortgages.
You had a smiling picture of the president next to the figure and then the Biden, I don't know where I am, picture.
I mean, this is how you... Economics, the dismal science, as one famous economist said, the science of proving that water flows downhill, is not always exciting.
But when you're with Steve, it is.
And we really appreciate him being in studio with us to help us understand what it's going to take to bring us back.
So let's Let me just drill down this... By the way, can I just say something?
Yeah.
You're wearing a yellow tie.
Yes.
And I don't know if you know the significance of that.
No.
Okay.
Do you know who Tony Orlando was?
I know the name, yeah.
Okay.
Tie a yellow ribbon around your... So he's urging, and so is John Katsimatidis, to get everybody to wear yellow ties
in as a way of honoring the people who are still held hostage.
Wow.
So when I saw that yellow tie, I thought you're a part of this.
I love John Katz and Matites.
Yeah, and John Katz and Matites and Tony Orlando, who was a legend,
legendary singer, Tony Orlando and Don was the group.
And they had that very famous song, Tied a Yellow Ribbon.
So folks, if you wanna stand with Israel and stand with those people who are still held hostage,
wear a yellow tie or you can put a yellow ribbon around your tree.
Right, or on your little lapel.
I love it.
Thank you for sharing that, Steve.
How long have you been in the swamp?
How long have I lived here?
I'm embarrassed to say.
I got here in the mid-Reagan years.
Reagan years.
So I'm pretty lucky.
I worked for Reagan and Trump.
How cool is that?
That's super cool.
I don't say that boastfully.
I say it pridefully.
I mean, to have worked for those two guys.
And I'm so excited when I hear that we're trying to book you on the radio show or on Newsmax.
I remember the last time you did that.
I'm sorry.
I'm talking to the White House right now.
I'll get back to you.
Just let him talk.
Just let him talk to the White House.
Let him talk to President Trump.
You know, that's the most important thing.
You know, the great thing about Trump, I have to say, you know this, you spent so much time with him in the Oval Office, you know, he is receptive to ideas.
You saw him too.
And curious.
He asks your opinion.
I love that about him.
And I got to tell your listeners and viewers this, the guy's got his game face on right now.
He is so ready for this.
He's serious.
You know, and when he's ready to go, he's unbeatable.
If he stays in this zone, I think we're going to see a landslide.
So as somebody who has been trying to make sure that all Americans are prosperous from the Reagan administration up through Trump and advising President Trump right now, I feel so naive asking this question.
Why are we still fighting the Keynesian versus von Mises debate?
I mean, didn't we put this zombie to dead?
That big government that spends a lot means small citizen and weak economy.
Why are we still arguing this point?
Didn't we settle this in the 80s?
Yeah.
What, the 1880s?
We've known this for, you know, since Adam Smith wrote Wealth of Nations.
So why, I mean, this is something that's also true.
Doesn't it drive you mad?
This stuff is not, you know, it's not complicated.
You know, that's what, you know, as our buddy Larry Kudlow would say, we need lower taxes, lower spending, lower debt, and get the government out of the way.
And if we do that, we will have the most prosperous economy.
Well, Trump gets that.
You know, the thing that originally attracted me to Trump was He's a businessman.
He knows how to make money.
Do you think Joe Biden... Well, Joe Biden's made money.
Yeah, but not by building anything.
And so, you know, there is a common sense element to this, but Trump is going to get... I really believe if he gets that second term, and I think he will, How hard was it in the 80s in comparison to now?
Are the obstacles, are the ideological barriers worse?
The left is worse today.
You know, Jimmy Carter was a bad president, but he wasn't a left winger.
Bill Clinton was not a left wing crazy.
Barack Obama... These are ideologues.
Yeah, Barack Obama and Joe Biden are ideologues.
And I'm surprised because Joe Biden, you know, I knew him back in the 90s, you know, he was pretty centrist.
I don't know what happened with him.
But he, remember when he was elected, he said, I'm going to unify the country.
I mean, this guy... On Inauguration Day.
Right.
He said, I'm going to unite the country.
He's done nothing.
He's not reached out to the Republicans on one single issue.
Do you, when you look at what's happened, have you identified any vectors of influence?
Is it the radical members like the Squad that take the likes of Schumer and Biden-Pelosi hostage?
Or is it the talking heads?
Who's that diminutive chap who used to work for Clinton?
I'll tell you what worries me.
I'm going to answer that in a little bit.
Is it the likes of Reich that are pumping this garbage into the Democratic Party?
What's the vector of influence?
It's the university.
We're seeing this now firsthand.
That's why if anything good has come out of what's happened in the last month or so.
As the Wall Street Journal put it really well, Americans are getting a Harvard education right now.
I mean, we're learning.
And we can't allow this to keep happening.
We cannot allow the left to continue to indoctrinate our kids from the time they're in kindergarten until that time.
We have got to take back our schools.
That's why I'm a huge fanatic for school choice.
Let parents choose their schools.
Because, I mean, I see it, you know, this starts, folks, in the third grade!
You know, it's climate change in America.
What country teaches its kids that their country is the worst country?
It's all blame America first.
We're responsible for all the problems in the planet.
This is, I've said this time and again on this show, we are living in the most perverse of times where our country is being led by those who detest the country they are leading.
Absolutely perverse.
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In that report you wrote for the President, which is superb, and hopefully it will become a general publication and maybe an appendix to a Trumponomics 2.0, I see a recurring theme and I'd like you to unpack it for us, because we are such a blessed nation in terms of natural resources, so geography is really destiny, that when it comes to driving the macro engine of the economy, Energy is the lifeblood, is it not?
And that's perhaps the most dangerous thing they've done economically, is to kill our capacity to be exporting oil, fracking.
People have to understand the importance of energy, don't they?
I'm so glad you brought this up, because what's happened in just the last two and a half years, folks, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I mean, we're still producing oil and gas and coal, not as much as we should, but have you heard of net zero?
Yeah, absolutely.
Have you heard of that?
This is a freaking... Explain it.
This is a lunatic idea.
I mean, if you wanted to destroy the country, and maybe the left does, But there are governments in Europe that are talking about net zero as a goal.
So explain what net zero means.
Yeah, so net zero means in the next 10 years we're going to have zero fossil fuels.
Zero.
So today we get About 75% of our energy from fossil fuels.
Oil, gas, and coal.
And you know what?
This country was built on oil, gas, and coal.
We wouldn't have this thriving economy if it had not been for our energy.
But it's okay, we get about 0.8% from solar.
So that'll save us.
Yeah, we get maybe... If you take solar and wind, despite spending hundreds and hundreds of billions, we're at maybe 8%.
So maybe they could double that.
Combined, yeah.
Yeah, maybe they could double that.
So maybe we're at 20%?
Where are we going to get the other 80% from?
So they want, and just last week, Biden and his minions went, well, Biden didn't go, but his minions went to this COP28, this climate summit.
And they made two declarations.
Number one, Biden said, we're not going to build another coal plant ever in this country again.
And we're going to shut down the existing coal.
The kid from Scranton said that.
Yeah, it's un-freaking-believable.
Then, he says two days later, oh, by the way, we're going to shut down methane.
Now, do you know what methane is?
It's natural gas.
So, he wants to shut down our natural gas plants and our coal plants.
That's 60, over half of our electric power.
Now, at the same time, they want to shut down our electric power plants, Sebastian, because I'm not done here.
They also want to put the entire transportation system on the electric grid.
You know, how do you think you charge your electric car?
You do it on the electric goods system.
So if you have a massive increase in the demand for electricity and a massive reduction in the supply, what do you know what that means?
It means we're going to have blackouts, brownouts, and I can make this prediction on your show.
The government is going to start regulating how much they're going to regulate your thermostat.
They're going to regulate how much you can drive.
This is big brother on a scale that we have never seen before.
So I'm not even talking about the economic implications.
I'm talking about the government being directly involved in almost every decision you make in your life.
And that's what, of course, what they want to do.
Well, it's the ultimate form of control.
Exactly.
From Obamacare to regulating your thermostat.
It's right out of 1984.
But when they do something like that at COP in, I think it was in Dubai.
Yeah, which is ironic, by the way.
But that's just a political statement.
Oh, by the way, did you see what the Dubai president said?
Yes.
Said, you people are going to take us back to the Stone Age.
Good for him.
He was exactly right.
Sadly, did you see what happened the day later?
No.
He was forced to half walk.
Oh no, I did not see that.
Somebody put the screws on him and he was like, well, maybe it's not that obvious as I said.
Oh wow.
By the way, shame on, you've got half of the Fortune 500 companies who have signed on to net zero.
It's suicide.
It's unbelievable.
Even ExxonMobil.
They're in the oil and gas industry.
They're saying, oh yes, we're going to have to be carbon neutral.
What is this?
Come on.
Do you think China is in this?
They're laughing at us.
I remember a year ago, I was getting on a plane.
I think it was United.
And before the safety briefing comes up on the video, the CEO of the company says, and we will have zero carbon emissions.
You fly planes.
You're not going to fly them on solar energy.
Dude, so you are, that's the death sentence for your presidency of that company.
They are woke and they are suicidal as well.
We're talking to... The good news is, what did Donald Trump say the other day when he was asked what's the first thing you're going to do in an economy?
Drill.
I love it.
Day one he's going to be a dictator because he's going to open up the oil fields.
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You've written this amazing report that you delivered to the President over a week ago.
Can you walk us through, without giving away any secrets, this isn't a national security topic, at least, you know, most of it isn't.
How can we reverse it all?
Is it simply flicking back the switches of what President Trump was doing, or has so much damage been done that there has to be something remedial on top?
No, I mean, look, we're America.
We're going to get out of this, and it's a question of whether we're going to do it the easy way or the hard way.
You put Trump back in there, and I asked about this.
I said, give me six months.
Six months and I'll fix it.
And, you know, he also said, I'm going to have a stack of executive orders at my desk.
You heard him say this on January 22nd, 2025.
You know what those executive orders are?
To repeal all these crazy lunatic things that the left has done under Biden.
And yeah, of course we can fix things.
And, you know, we're not at any kind of point of no return, but every day, you know, like what's the old saying?
If you're in a ditch, stop digging.
Right?
And we're in a ditch and Biden keeps digging and digging and digging.
So it just makes it harder to get out.
Now, I just want to be very circumspect and comprehensive.
We've discussed how bad things are now in comparison to how they were under President Trump.
But let's focus on those four years, especially the first two years before COVID.
It's not just that we went from good to awful.
That presidency, let's talk about that economy, because on every metric, unemployment, stock market, IRAs, wasn't it the strongest economy that we had ever seen?
Probably pretty close.
I mean, we had the lowest poverty rate ever.
Black poverty rate, Hispanic, by the way, again, as an aside.
It is one of the most infuriating charges that the left makes and made against Trump is that he's a racist president.
It's obscene.
This is a guy who did more for black and Hispanic America than maybe any president in history.
The biggest gains were by blacks and Hispanics in terms of income, in terms of jobs, in terms of lowering poverty rates, all of these things.
How could a president who did more for minorities be a racist?
I mean, it was really outrageous and so low that the left would say that kind of thing.
By the way, Trump is now at over 50% with Hispanic voters.
20% of black voters are saying they're going to vote for him.
Amazing.
If that happens, Democrats are done.
Game, set, match.
But also I remember sitting...
You know why, by the way? It's because minorities care most about the economy.
They're the ones who've gotten clobbered by it.
And I just remember sitting in the studio and having the cable news on and watching the ticker at the bottom.
It was within a week you'd have three, four, five records on the stock market.
Whether it was a NASDAQ, whether it was...
We would constantly be breaking records.
And just in case, you know, you're not an economist like Steve, or you don't live in the swamp like I do, this isn't about, you know, the fat cats of Wall Street.
If you have a pension, if you have a Roth IRA, the state of the stock market impinges directly on your future.
Yeah, now look, the stock market's very strong now, just to be fair.
But, but, but, you have to remember that when inflation is up like it is, you have to adjust these returns for inflation.
So we found that the average middle class family has lost money in their 401k plans under, you know, that's one of their principal forms of saving.
Yeah, you know, again, it's because Trump was a common sense president, and he understood how to get things going.
He knew the art of the deal.
I saw him to negotiate incredible trade deals, and we need him back!
We so desperately need him back.
What would you say was the key element to that success?
Which success?
His presidency.
Was it the get the government out of the way attitude?
If you had to boil it down to what kind of philosophies like small government deregulate Or just common sense?
I think a lot about that question.
And I think the most important thing, believe it or not, is just that America's great businessmen and women, they knew that they could just do their thing.
And that Trump wasn't going to put all these barriers, you know.
Whereas with Biden, it's exactly the opposite.
You say the latest thing with Biden, he's now talking about taking away the patent rights of drug companies.
Are you following this?
No, no, no.
Yeah.
So he's basically saying we're going to control prices by taking patents away from technology companies, from companies that spent billions of dollars developing these drugs to lower the price.
If you do that... Nobody will invent anything.
You're going to destroy the R&D.
I mean, this is... No president has ever done anything on this lunatic.
I mean, this returns to the point we were discussing earlier.
These aren't just ideologues, Steve.
They're cretins.
I mean, if you think you're going to help people by stripping private entities from their rights to profit from what they invent, who's going to invest in new drugs?
Nobody is.
Nobody?
Yeah.
So people will die.
So this goes to the question that I'm asked and you get asked all the time.
Is this stupidity or intentional?
And when I see this latest thing that they're taking away patent rights, Maybe that maybe it is some you know, what's the old saying burn down the village so you can rebuild save it, right?
So maybe the best Conclusion we can come to is it's a combination of the both.
Yes.
It's intentional and it's idiocy Yeah, no, you know with some people it is intentional because they're Marxist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and for some people it's a stupid so it's a combination It's not a good combination No, it's a dangerous combination.
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All right, this has been so much fun.
I really appreciate it when our guests come in studio.
And I just want to kind of salute you, Steve, for your dogged, indefatigable commitment to America and to making sure that the people who get it in positions of power make the right decisions.
Now I'm going to ask the impolite question.
What can we do with the rest of the GOP and the people who behave like drunken sailors?
$33 trillion in debt.
Do you have any golden ticket, any silver bullet for that?
The leadership is what matters.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I remember when Trump won.
One of my favorite days of my life.
And a few days later, I was asked to talk to the House Republican Caucus.
And there were probably 200 of them that showed up at this breakfast.
And I said something very controversial.
I said, it's Donald Trump's party now.
And people were kind of feigning about it, but I was, you know, look, I was right, right?
And what I meant by that is, look, You follow him.
Well, the people have spoken.
The people have spoken.
Right, exactly.
So, you get another term.
These guys have to follow the president.
And so, you know, look, I started the Club for Growth.
I've been a rhino hunter my whole life.
But you know, we've got to get, you know, you've got to prove the, the, the, the, the
Right.
And now they're just forgotten footnotes in history.
Yeah.
The less Chinese of the world.
Yeah, exactly.
The kids' injuries.
interest to do what this guy is talking about. You know the people who
tended to lose by the way were the ones who ran away from Trump not the ones who
ran with him. And now they're just forgotten footnotes in history. Yeah.
The less Chinese of the world. Yeah, exactly. The kids injuries. Right. That's such a good point.
Look, I realize in this city the way to get people to do anything if they're politicians is they have to fear for their future.
I don't care if they do the right thing out of conviction or if they're afraid about getting re-elected, but this, what Steve just said, I think that is the special sauce.
I think that is the golden ticket.
Look at the track record of anyone who went up against the America first, Donald Trump, MAGA, They're irrelevant.
They're gone.
They're gone.
Why?
Because 74 million Americans spoke.
And they told the elite that we've had it.
We want somebody who knows how to get things done and who's a businessman.
Steve, we have to do this again.
So much fun.
In the meantime, follow him on social... Merry Christmas!
Merrick, we can say it now!
The President said we can say it.
Merry Christmas!
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