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Doug Collins LIVE: The Republicans' circular firing squad

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	This is America First, and we are delighted to welcome our very special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	It's Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka, who is away.
	He's down.
	He'll be back.
	We'll talk more about that later, but glad to be sitting.
	It's been a while since I have sat in here with the team, the great team here with Seb and filling in in these wonderful shoes.
	As we go.
	Got lots to talk about today.
	Going to have some great guests as we go along today.
	Michelle Tafoya is going to be with us.
	John Lott, of course, Second Amendment Day.
	We talk about Matt Whitlock, Hogan Gidley, all on tap for later today.
	And we're going to get into some stuff today.
	And I said this, I used to say this when I was pastoring.
	And after a while, if you've pastored for 11 years, and I've been in politics now for almost 20 years as well,
	elected office for 20 years, that if you state the truth long enough
	and you stick to what you believe, you are going to offend some people.
	You're gonna say things that they don't wanna hear.
	It's tender ears, snowflakes, whatever you wanna call it.
	So what I would do, and I had this parishioner come up to me one time
	and basically said, pastor, I need to talk to you.
	And so I just looked at them, I said, I'm sorry.
	And they said, what are you saying?
	I just need to talk to you.
	I said, well, by this time, I figured if I've probably said something to offend you, so I'm just going to go ahead now and say that I'm sorry.
	And so this is the way we're going to start to show off today.
	And we've been talking about this for a while now and really going to start in Congress where I served for a, for a long time and served as ranking member of the judiciary committee, the sham impeachment, Jerry Nadler, the whole nine yards.
	And I've been asked a lot over the last few days, you know, where are we after the speaker issue, after everything's been gone, the speaker, you know, former speakers now resigned.
	We see Mike Johnson, the new speaker, trying to get bills that were left untouched for months.
	Get them prepared and to get them passed.
	And we're seeing just a lot of shutdown and demagoguery from the Democrats in this.
	So I want to take this first part and maybe this first half that we spend together today.
	Let's just break down some of this.
	And if you want to get involved, please give me a call.
	1-833-33 GORKA or 833-334-6752.
	833-33-GORKA or 833-334-6752. Love to have you being part of the show today.
	The issue that we've got here, let's just take a step back.
	I was asked this question before we came on today.
	With such small margins, how is it that Nancy Pelosi was able to get things done, whereas Republicans don't seem to be able to get as much done?
	And the answer, I think is going to surprise you and it's going to frustrate you.
	Here's the interesting note, and for anybody out there that needs to be reminded of this.
	Nancy Pelosi, when she was Speaker over the last Congress, especially this last two years before Republicans took back over last year, she had basically the exact same margin of votes that we do now.
	Now what you did not see, going into it, you did not see a massive Speaker problem at the very first of the year, having to go 15 rounds to get Nancy Pelosi elected.
	They settled that before they ever got to the floor.
	We, on the other hand, didn't settle it by the time we got to the floor.
	And so we had this play out and yes, I'm all for freedom of speech and I'm all for, you know, moving, you know, the ball forward and everybody having a part and it not being top-down leadership.
	I get it all.
	Okay?
	But that's part of the issue for those of you out there who are frustrated.
	We started the year almost three weeks late.
	Because once you had the speaker vote, then you had to get everything started.
	You had to get your committee started and that all took some time to get started.
	So we basically went into February with not a lot of momentum at all because we just come through this heated battle.
	We make it through the first part.
	The first part was always going to be a honeymoon period.
	Then we hit the first real roadblock, that being the debt ceiling vote.
	Could not come to an agreement.
	Speaker McCarthy finally came to an agreement after not being able to get the votes in his own party.
	Voted with Democrats to set a debt ceiling passage and then actually, you know, put the numbers on the floor.
	This was his first mistake of the ones who didn't want him to be speaker to start with, and it went downhill from there.
	I just share that in the indication Compare that to the previous administration where Pelosi came in they were I remember in 2018 when she put she won the speakership 2019 they walked in in January by 20 by this third week in January we were having our first hearing with a with someone who's gonna be a guest on this show here later former acting attorney general Matt Whitaker who's gonna be with us and we were off and running in their
	The Democrats, you know, hell-bent way to get Donald Trump.
	And I think this is just, you know, we see the problem here.
	How does that happen?
	It happens when leadership in the Democratic Party have certain ideas and certain goals that are sort of the baselines for some of you in the next few weeks you're maybe next by the end of the year you're going to start uh and set new goals for 2024 and those goals will be uh let's you know use the old for that i'm gonna lose weight i'm gonna save money do whatever it may be and none of you will believe that at the end of january you will have met all of your goals now i want you to think about this for a second
	If you thought you were going to meet all your goals in January, they're really probably not goals.
	They were things that you needed to do that could be easily done and that you could have accomplished without setting them up.
	If you are looking to lose a hundred pounds, you're not going to do it in one month.
	If you do so, you're going to put your health at risk.
	If you're looking to pay off debt, which is three or four times what you make in a month, then you're not going to be able to pay it all off in a month unless you come into some income that you didn't know about.
	I say all of this for those who are listening today.
	When you're frustrated with Republicans right now, and you're comparing that, and you're asking quietly, and some of you ask privately, why is the Democrats, why were they doing things differently?
	It comes into a function of this.
	Unfortunately, Republicans, and I have many friends in Congress right now, including the new speaker, who I think is a good man, who is trying his best in a very, very difficult situation.
	They believe Because we're in such bad shape with this Biden administration.
	Who has done so much damage because of a unified Democratic Party on the Hill to our country that they want to get it all solved tomorrow.
	And that's just not going to happen.
	The reality of it is that you have to have 218-60-1.
	I used to use this on my campaign trail years ago.
	218-60-1.
	218 to pass it out of the House, 60 votes in the Senate to get it passed out of the Senate, and then one President to sign it.
	That's how it becomes law.
	Everything else is a YouTube video.
	Let's just be frank.
	I can have members of Congress on both sides of the aisle, you know, if they can't get the votes of 218 or they say they're going to do something and they say, we passed it out of the house.
	Well, congratulations.
	You're one third of the way there.
	To take a victory lap and go out and say, this is going to happen now.
	We shut down.
	I heard so many of my former colleagues go out and say, we shut down the IRS, 80,000, 87,000 ages.
	No, you didn't.
	You passed your piece of legislation that was sent over that you were then going to have to negotiate it with the Democratic Senate to get something for.
	If you don't realize that, then this is basically legislating 101 and I'm having trouble helping you here.
	And so for all of you out there right now who are saying, just shut it all down.
	That's what we got to do and that'll solve the problem.
	It's not going to solve the problem.
	And it may come back and get a little bit.
	It may come back and get none.
	But when you're two-thirds down, you go for what you can get and then you build on the next one.
	This is the problem I'm having right now.
	And I know this is deep for you.
	It's a Friday afternoon.
	Believe me, we're going to have some fun in this hour.
	I've got some stuff you're not going to want to imagine that we're going to have some fun with.
	But I got, you know, let's take the spinach first.
	Let's just take this meat and potatoes and say, here's what we got to look at toward the end of the year.
	You've got a Speaker of the House who cannot get 218 votes.
	He cannot get a majority of his votes on rule bills, which are bills that have to go through a rules process to come to the floor, because if you have 5 or 6 or 8 people who don't want to vote for the bill, they'll take down the rule and the bill can't come up.
	No matter if 212 other Republicans say, we want this piece of legislation, you're not going to be able to get it to the floor.
	Now, in some cases, their fight is noble.
	But at the same point in time, my question is, is if you won 100%, would you take 75?
	Remember Ronald Reagan?
	As we look at this, this is where we're going at.
	Ronald Reagan said, he said, I will not let my colors fly off the side.
	He said, I'm going to get it and I'm going to come back and get it from there.
	So folks, I laid it out here.
	I'm going to finish this after the break here in just a minute.
	We're going to get back into it, but we've got to understand what we are fighting for.
	And if we're fighting for what is right, then we're going to be able to win.
	That's why we're here today.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
	Glad to have you with us.
	833-334-6752.
	833-334-6752. We'll be right back.
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	You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, we're back.
	We might not be in black, but we're back on a Friday.
	We're ready to go as it comes here.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka, who is down with our wonderful friends down at Mar-a-Lago at Moms for America.
	Speaking down there, Seb, we're glad to have you, and I'm glad to be filling in here on this Friday.
	But you know what?
	It is that special time of the year.
	It is that special, wonderful time of the year.
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	Why not keep those bonds of family together so that when they come home they can maybe turn their lives around and not go back into prison?
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	It's just some good, good stuff.
	Hey, before we get into it, I'm continuing my discussion of Congress.
	I think we've got some folks here that have called in.
	I think we've got Frank in Los Angeles.
	Frank, welcome to The Seb Gorka Show.
	Hey Doug, good to hear you.
	I miss seeing your C-SPAN things when you were in Congress.
	You were a common-sense guy who asked common-sense questions, and you and Senator Kennedy.
	I appreciate listening to you guys question Democrats and the administration and stuff, but one of the things that I think Democrat that Republicans really miss out on.
	You know, when they have someone like Mayorkas up before Congress and they're questioning him and talking about immigration, and you know, he comes out with the tried and true, you know, we have a broken immigration system, blah, blah, blah.
	You know, I've been hearing that for 30 years, and not one person has asked him, what do we need to do to fix it, in your opinion?
	Yep.
	Hey, Frank, you're exactly right, and thank you for calling in today.
	I enjoyed those questioning times as well.
	But, yeah, look, when they ask these questions, here's the next part of it.
	The next question is not, okay, as you just said, Frank, you made a great point.
	Okay, it's broken.
	Here's what they will go that you hear from Democrats.
	Well, we need, it's not fixing the system.
	Here's the problem.
	I've explained this many, many times over.
	The immigration system in our country is like going to the basement of your house, if you have a basement, or a room or wherever you want to put it and you see it the floor with about four inches of water in the bottom and you look across the way and you see the pipe that broke spewing water out of it now the question comes is do I start grab a mop and a bucket and just start getting the water up and throwing it out the window or do I walk across the hall walk across the basement walk across there and actually stop the water from flowing and then deal with the water in the floor
	Frank, you bring up a great question and we've tried to do this before and I've asked Democrats about this.
	They would rather you mop around in the floor because they know that once the floor is in there you're not really going to get rid of anybody and the flow is still coming in.
	It is the basis of their whole belief that the more they people let in here, that over
	time they're going to wear people down, they're going to wear it out, they have an underground
	economy which they do not mind at all because they keep them going with the governmental
	programs and all that exists for them, and that they will be folks, after having children,
	after having purpose here because of birthright citizenship and other things, they will grow
	a base that is more communal in thinking.
	communal in thinking.
	And the sad part about it is, and I say this from a conservative perspective,
	And the sad part about it is, and I say this from a conservative perspective, most of my
	most of my Hispanic friends and all who come across, especially those who came across legally,
	Hispanic friends and all who come across, especially those who came across legally,
	are very conservative in their own right.
	are very conservative in their own right, their family, their social structure, their
	Their family, their social structure, their religious backgrounds.
	religious backgrounds, and they're looking for a rule of law.
	And they're looking for a rule of law.
	And when we do this and we don't ask those questions, you know, that's the problem that we have.
	And when we do this and we don't ask those questions, you know, that's the problem that
	And Frank, you are dead on in that.
	And I do appreciate you bringing it out.
	But we've got to point out that you're wanting to fix all of these problems, quote, that you say is broken,
	the not enough immigration judges, not enough asylum claims and everything else,
	irrelevant until you fix the pipe on the wall.
	You don't fix the pipe on the wall, it's a wasted function.
	By the way, did you realize, folks, if you're listening here today, did you realize that most
	of the asylum claims coming across the border right now, which Myarcus is sending through
	the gates, through the main gates and saying, well, they're legally coming in through parole,
	which is called parole, the 90, over 90%, closer to 95% do not have a valid asylum claim.
	Thank you for watching.
	In other words, you could go to New York City, where Eric Adams right now is holding people at an exorbitant rate of money in hotels in New York City.
	You could set immigration judges in the lobby, and you could have everybody come through there, and 95% of the folks who are there do not have a claim, and they could be deported immediately.
	The problem is, we send them out through the country, they never show back up for their hearings, and now they're here with an underground economy.
	That's what the Democrats mean when they go from that.
	All right.
	Also, before we get to take another call here, I think we got time for one real quick.
	Don in LA.
	Mr. Doug, man, just listening to you makes me think I'm listening to my own doppelganger.
	You talk my kind of talk.
	I love it.
	You know, but real quick, you know, because of your experience in Congress,
	I'm still ticked off about the whole Kevin McCarthy thing, because he had support of something like 90,
	what was it, 96, 90, anyway, 90% plus of our Republican caucus, you know,
	the Freedom Caucus supporter, Mr. Jordan, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and then these eight gentlemen,
	I'm too polite to call them Judas's, they joined 100% with the Democrats to take him out.
	And it's like when Liz Cheney or these other people give aid and comfort to the Democrats, we call them rhinos.
	What about these other guys?
	You know, that's not cool.
	That's no way to run a railroad.
	And we got a good man in there now, Mr., I like, you know, Mike Johnson, he's a good man,
	but he's got the same knife to his throat, knife against his back.
	It's no way to do it.
	Didn't Nancy Pelosi have a higher bar to be removed?
	They changed the rules, so it's so easy now to hold a gun to the speaker's head.
	Didn't she have a higher bar to keep from being deposed, if you like?
	They did.
	They changed the rule for the motion to vacate the chair.
	They changed the rule that it had to come through the conference.
	I don't remember exactly the details, but they actually did change the rule.
	Don, you brought a great point up there.
	Yeah, look, this goes back into my first, the monologue, and I'm going to pick it up after the bottom of the hour here, that we've got to get back into understanding that the Democrats will play by different rules to accomplish their purpose.
	When we understand what they're doing and when we get to the point where we know what we're doing, then we can win these battles.
	We'll see you back after the bottom of the hour.
	hour we'll pick this back up.
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	you You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, we're back.
	We're back.
	I know it may be sweet child of mine for this Christmas season, but it's more like welcome to the jungle when you get to D.C.
	And that's what we're doing out right now.
	Folks, give us a call.
	833.
	We've already had some great guests.
	Call in is already 833-334-6752 or 833-33-GORKA to join the conversation.
	I'm Doug Collins filling in for Seb, who is away from us today, fulfilling a great roll down with the moms for America Patriots down at the Patriot Rally at Mar-a-Lago.
	Glad to be filling in today.
	We've already had a great discussion going forward here.
	We're going to continue this discussion about what is happening in Congress and why we can't move forward on some things.
	And our last caller discussed the, really the role that we're seeing in how Democrats and Republicans different function.
	And I want to pick back up on a conversation we started at the beginning of the hour.
	And that is, you know, what are we doing to actually move the goal?
	And if you want to call in and talk about this, and I know some of you will say, you know, spending, I'll say, um, the, you know, which is definitely got to be done in and we've got to cut our spending.
	We got to cut the size of the federal government.
	We've got to do those things.
	Um, But what we've got to do is make a plan to get there.
	I was talking off air just a minute ago and we were discussing, you know, remember the infamous Ryan budget that Obama just flipped out on when Paul Ryan and them introduced it when they first got the majority back in 2011, was talking about how draconian it was and how terrible it was.
	And it began this process of moving back.
	And remember, Any cuts to the budget, the media will take as if they're cutting their own salary.
	They're not going to help us in this regard.
	So we've got to come up with a plan.
	And here's, after all I've said before about how Democrats and Republicans do it differently, and Pelosi does it differently as opposed to how we do it, some context is important here.
	And as somebody who's been in the room Uh, for much of these battles in leadership and fighting as a, as a ranking member of the committee and then working through leadership battles.
	I've told, I've told the story before.
	My first vote in Congress was dealing with a speaker issue.
	Not that we had anything to do on the first day, except we had a speaker issue and this was John Boehner.
	It's proceeded into Paul Ryan.
	It proceeded into Kevin McCarthy.
	Let me give you some perspective since for the last 30 years.
	This year, 30 years, the Republicans have had control of the United States House for 22 of those years, 22 out of 30.
	That means that Nancy Pelosi was speaker for eight years, four years at the end of the start of the Obama administration and four years at the end of the Trump administration, the first two years of the Biden administration.
	The last two years, as I shared earlier in the hour, she had the exact same margin as we have today in the House for the Republicans, but yet was able to pass a disastrous Build Back Better plan, which is just a giveaway to the New Green Deal.
	It's taking us down.
	And by the way, what is really funny, if you noticed recently, there's some stories coming out that almost none of the monies that have been set aside in the transit side and others have actually been spent from that bill.
	We've not even spent that money.
	That stuff is not growing, which is part of the problem the Democrats are having because they can't go point at a pile of dirt and say, look, your tax dollars are buying this to make you better.
	So they're struggling with that.
	But they also then passed the COVID relief, the extra COVID relief package that did not need to be passed.
	They basically gave everybody money.
	They passed the transportation bill later.
	They did these things.
	They all did this, frankly, with the same number of margin that we have right now.
	And some of you are asking the proper question.
	Why is that?
	It's like anything else, folks.
	And this is where, as I said earlier at the show, that I'll apologize now for offending you.
	But until we figure out that we as the majority are the only impediment to ourselves in the United States House, then we will keep getting beat.
	Now, I don't mean that you go along with the Democrats and you pass bills that the Senate will pass.
	No.
	You start off with a bill.
	That is as conservative as you can get that can get your majority in the House.
	That has a realistic chance of them being negotiated in the Senate.
	That doesn't mean you give in.
	That doesn't mean that you put Democrat parties in it.
	But you send something over to the Senate, and then you negotiate it.
	Now, you may have asked for 100.
	You get it back from the Senate, and it's at 25.
	Or maybe even 40.
	And then you negotiate it, and you get 60.
	Then you pass it, you send it to the President, and then you say, we got 60% of this goal.
	Next cycle, we're going to put a bill in, and we're going to get even more.
	Now, some of you don't like that because you say, we ran on doing this and we got to do it now.
	Well, grow up.
	Grow freaking up.
	That's not the way the world exists.
	And when you, the quicker we as Republicans get back to what I'm going to talk about in the next hour, next break, after the next break, then we will get better at doing what we do.
	Until we get there, we're not going to be able to do it.
	So when you think about this, I want you to think, what do you want to get done?
	Think about big picture.
	Think about how you get there.
	833-334-6752.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
	We'll be right back.
	Thanks for watching.
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	You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, it's Friday right before getting ready for the Christmas season.
	Everybody's giving, happy, and you got me for the last three hours here on the Seb Gorka Show, America First Show.
	I'm glad to be here and talking to you.
	Hey, look, I think we've opened up an interesting discussion.
	My goal is not to say that you can't get stuff done.
	My goal is to say we as Republicans, we as conservatives, have got to quit blaming everybody else in the world, put our heads down, say here's our subject, here's what we're going to do, and then we fight like crap to get as much as we possibly can out of it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Now, look, you can say, well, you're selling out or you're... No!
	Okay, for any of you, let me just say this, and we're getting ready to go to a caller and just say, but let me get this in.
	I've heard comments from people, we can solve our budget crisis tomorrow.
	No, you can't.
	No, you can't.
	If you can't, if you want to call in and tell me how realistically in the government we currently have, I'll take your call.
	And I'll realize that you probably don't have a way to do it.
	And don't tell me, shut it down the government and force the Senate to do what we want to do.
	That ain't a realistic option.
	So, thanks for playing.
	Nah, not true.
	Okay?
	So, I'm willing to look at this, but we've got to understand, and I heard this best, and we, you know, Angel Tree is our big thing.
	Go to SebGorka.com and hit Angel Tree.
	You'd be a part of that, helping those kids.
	But somebody reminded me of somebody who got out of jail, who'd been in and out of jail for a long time.
	He said, I had been addicted, drugged, and been a criminal for almost 30 years, three decades.
	And he said, when I was trying to get help, they were wanting to send me to a 30-day rehab program or a 90-day rehab program.
	And he basically said this, he said, how am I supposed to change three decades of my life in 30 days?
	Okay, how are we supposed to change in 30 days or one vote The stuff that has been going on and on and on and on for years by both parties in expanding the role of this federal government.
	Now, I'm willing to talk to you about this all show.
	We got some great guests coming up, but Ernest in Kentucky.
	Talk to me, Ernest.
	Yes, Mr. Collins, big fan of yours and Mr. Gorka.
	I just want to respond to your caller who just was so much in support of Kevin McCarthy.
	It just really gets to me that these guys will backstab us and I'll always forgive them.
	The next day, everyone forgets about it.
	Kevin McCarthy sided with Louis Chaney ...in the January 6th affair and suggested that Mr. Trump should resign.
	So how does that guy even get in there at all?
	All these people, when they backstab Donald Trump, it feels like, to me, that they're backstabbing me.
	And then Donald Trump even said Kevin McCarthy will do a good job.
	After what Kevin McCarthy said about him, I get so angry about it, that these guys, you know, actually move up the ladder and backstab us as they move along.
	Yeah, look, it's tough because we see things like that and we get frustrated with it.
	I think, you know, taking the role from former President Trump, I mean, he said, OK, you know, look, Kevin, I think if you and I'm not reading, I would never read in for the former president.
	But I say, look, he said something he shouldn't have said probably or said it artfully in the way he said it.
	You know, look, don't do it again, and we can move forward.
	But I don't think he ever probably said, okay, we're gonna also, the old trust, but verify, Ernest.
	Look, the interesting thing, and I hear this all the time from people about how do we get our speaker.
	Ernest, thank you for calling, by the way.
	Thanks for being a part.
	Let me fill in some quick details here.
	They say, how do we get the speakers?
	How do we get this?
	And you have to understand if you go back for most people the best you can ever come to is you had your fraternity president vote or your class president vote.
	It's among a bunch of single group of people who all have to look at each other and talk to each other every day.
	And so this is how a Kevin McCarthy or a Paul Ryan or Mike Johnson, a little bit more unusual, it comes to be because everybody comes together and says, what can we do to, if I vote here, what does it mean for me?
	And the issue goes back, though, to something that I've got to finish up here for a second, and that is Republicans Irregardless of who's leading, whoever is leading has to be honest with the conference and say, OK, look, we want to cut spending.
	We want to close the border.
	We want to do these things.
	What are the things that we can get done pushing as hard as we can push in the situation that we're in to actually get something done?
	And I think, look, I think a lot of the leadership have tried to take a safe route.
	They have consultants who come in and say, well, if you talk about this, then the voters aren't going to like it.
	And if you mention abortion, you're going to lose election.
	If you mention Ukraine, you're going to move elect.
	You know, again, we listen to too much of the wrong thing.
	This is where Democrats get it.
	Different than we do.
	They will set a goal.
	I've said this before.
	I'm probably on this show and I know others.
	The first president to actually talk about Democrat president actually talk about universal health care was Harry S. Truman.
	Truman was the first one to actually really promote it.
	Folks, if you go back and look at your calendar, that was about 80 years ago.
	They had this in there.
	Some of you will say Johnson.
	Johnson didn't make universal health care.
	He brought in Medicare and Medicaid.
	He brought in some of the other reforms, but it didn't happen until Obama got in office and you had Pelosi and you had the 60 votes in the Senate for a short amount of time.
	I tell you this because when Henry Waxman, who was a member from California came to Congress in the 70s.
	He came wanting to expand health care for everybody.
	Okay, that was his goal.
	So every year he would work with the Democrats to increase Medicaid care spending or increase Medicaid spending or increase something around that.
	He would get one or two percent in the budget.
	That's how it would grow.
	He would go back to his home district and he'd say, look, I got a two percent increase.
	I'm going to go back and fight for more.
	You know what their voters did?
	They reelected him.
	30-40 years they went through this.
	Until it came time when they had an opportunity, Nancy Pelosi became speaker, they moved John Dingell out of the seat.
	They put it in perspective and they passed Obamacare.
	Which is now still in effect because Like this or not, John McCain did not vote to kill a bill on health care.
	John McCain voted for us not to talk about it.
	And I still hold that very personal because we had worked on everything we could to get a bill that could be negotiated between the House and the Senate so that we could take out the very vile parts of Obamacare, which we had already gutted in many ways through some other bills that Obama actually signed.
	But when McCain turned his thumb down, he stopped the process.
	That's been always the discussion.
	Everybody says he voted against Obamacare.
	No, I voted against the Health Care Act.
	No, he didn't.
	He simply voted for us to not talk about it anymore.
	And that I find offensive.
	And for everybody out there saying we couldn't do anything about health care, we did in the House, but it got stopped before we could get it back out because you had one senator.
	One senator who stopped it.
	So here's the question.
	What do we think we need to do?
	And then how do we get there?
	This is a plan, folks.
	Government is not like life.
	We've got to quit divorcing politics and life.
	If we divorce politics and real life, then we get what we get right now.
	And I don't think that's what we need.
	So we've got some fun coming up.
	Last segment of the hour, Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
	Glad you are with us.
	We're going to have a good time.
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	All right, we're back, folks.
	This is our final segment of the hour.
	We want to have some fun here.
	We're going to play some nice music.
	I'm going to tell you some stories that, you know, it just amazes me as you hear our music beginning in the background.
	It's a big, bright, beautiful tomorrow in a country in which we live.
	This is the kind of stories that America brings out.
	The first one, I mean, with the music coming from Disney as it is, you know, if you look to tomorrow, you have people who come out.
	And the one thing that they wanted to do, how many of you have ever wanted to do this?
	There was a man.
	You gotta love it, folks.
	It's just a great, big, beautiful tomorrow.
	When we understand that there's a great big beautiful tomorrow, you have to think of men who go to the It's a Small World exhibit in Disneyland and strip naked.
	And walk around!
	In the exhibit while it is there.
	You know, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow.
	These are the kind of... I'm so proud that we have some people that are just mainly some of the most sad people in the world.
	You have to go to the It's a Small World.
	Now look, I've been to It's a Small World.
	I've taken my kids to It's a Small World.
	And there are times that I wanted to not take my clothes off.
	I wanted to go off and run and hide after hearing that song over and over and over again.
	But take your clothes off in It's a Small World and jump in boats and swim around.
	Come on, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow.
	We can all make it out.
	Or how do you like this next one?
	If you want some fun, McDonald's!
	Who has done his part in sharing and feeding the world for the next little bit has started a new restaurant chain.
	I can't think of a better great big beautiful tomorrow.
	They call it Cosmix and here's the interesting.
	It's going to be their answer to Starbucks as if we needed an answer to Starbucks.
	They're going to have their coffees.
	They're going to have that.
	They're going to have the breakfast menu with the griddles and all those kind of things, but they're going to add in things like a spicy queso sandwich.
	Savory hash brown bites, pretzel bites, egg McMuffins.
	You'll start seeing these if you're in Texas.
	Get ready, the cosmic muffins are coming your way.
	And then we have an interesting story here.
	Florida just never ceases to amaze me in that Florida has some people that I really don't understand, especially Lee County.
	The police cameras are trying to find this.
	Cape Coral Police Department needs your help in identifying a man who tried to break into
	a Lee County deputy's car and possibly nine other cars Saturday morning.
	Saturday morning, the police said the suspect walked up the deputy's driveway, pulled on
	the door handle in a marked deputy car, and the man is seen pulling on the handle of the
	car trying to break into the car.
	Now I don't know if you just need a place to stay for the holidays.
	I don't know if you don't understand the big writing on the side.
	Or maybe the blue lights.
	But you're gonna have a great big beautiful tomorrow if you're thinking about breaking into a cop car in the middle of a driveway.
	Folks, if you ever feel bad about yourself, there's three stories that can pick you back up and get you back on the way.
	Wow!
	First hour is in the books.
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	I guess, you know, for some of you across the country, there might be ice, ice, baby.
	But right now I'm just giving you the cold, hard truth today.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka, who is, uh, out with, uh, today he is with the Moms for, uh, Patriots.
	I think that's how you make sure he's down at Mar-a-Lago.
	Moms for America at the Patriot Gala.
	I mean, Okay, we're halfway into a show.
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	And I think that is something perfect to look at.
	Look, we've had a great first hour.
	A lot coming up in this hour.
	We're going to be talking firearms.
	It is Second Amendment Day.
	We're also going to be talking with Michelle Tafoya.
	I can't wait to talk to my friend, Michelle.
	And her wonderful podcast and the things she's got going on.
	But we've gotten into the situation here that we're discussing what's going on and what's not going on in Congress.
	And look, I'm in very much agreement.
	Do I want to see a lot more happen?
	You better believe I do.
	But also, we got to understand exactly where we are.
	To help us further that along, we have Emily in Pittsburgh.
	Emily, thanks for being on today.
	Yes, I'm calling because of, uh, there's supposed to be some kind of negotiation going on that
	you had mentioned, like a 40-60 cut over issues of legislature funding.
	Well, when Speaker McCarthy went to the White House over the debt ceiling, the Congress
	had decided $1.5 trillion, and McCarthy came back with limitless, ceilingless debt ceiling.
	There was no negotiation there.
	That's no 40-60 type of thing.
	And then the other thing I want to add is that birthright citizenship is misunderstood as right to abortion.
	Y'all need to, like, research it and look into it.
	Because people spout off some erroneous understanding of something, and if they say it enough, people buy into it.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Emily, hang on just one second.
	Birthright citizenship, you're saying, has something to do with abortion?
	No, how people believe that there was a constitutional right to abortion.
	People are believing that anybody who comes over here and has a child, their child has a right to citizenship.
	that is wrong.
	Oh, I don't look on that part.
	I don't disagree with you.
	It really had nothing to do with the there's no real move to abortion on that from a legal
	ground that they what they were using on that is the privacy issue, which got struck down,
	which I'm glad to see what they're saying is in which I think is just like you.
	I agree with you.
	I think it's a legally flawed argument that someone can come into the country and simply
	by giving birth here becomes a citizen.
	That's never actually, frankly, Emily, has never been ruled upon by the United States Supreme Court.
	It was mentioned in some notes or some decisions about 20 years ago.
	Scalia, I think, was one that mentioned in others, but it has never been actually ruled upon.
	So I'd actually like to see that actually be a part.
	Court case Wong, 1896.
	Where the Chinese people lived here for a very long time and then they went to court and the Supreme Court decided their child was a citizen.
	And maybe the parents.
	I haven't read into it.
	But that's the Supreme Court deciding something.
	The Congress has to legislate.
	Not the Supreme Court and not the government agencies.
	It seems like when Congress passes something, then the agencies will tweak it and twist it and turn it into whatever they want it to be.
	So we have agencies making legislation, law and statute, and we have the Supreme Court making statute, and that is all anti-constitutional.
	And the House has to, like, get strong about this stuff.
	The House has let too much slide by, just like that debt ceiling.
	They just, you all work, they work so hard to come up and compromise on a $1.5 trillion, just right in the, within the House.
	And then McCarthy goes over and just tosses it to the wind and comes out with a ceilingless debt ceiling.
	And then, now it's going to be $2 trillion by December 18th, in a couple more days, we're $2 trillion beyond the point of where they negotiated.
	Yeah, I agree, Emily.
	Look, you and I agree on certain things.
	There's a difference in actual true negotiation.
	There's an actual difference in not negotiating.
	And look, my example that I was using before was, you know, look, everybody understands true negotiation.
	Not everybody gets what they want, but they find a way to actually get it done.
	And I think this is, Emily, we're not far apart here.
	But what I'm also very much concerned in is we have a time now in which we're not getting good deals.
	We're putting ourselves into positions to where we're putting members who are not as conservative, who are not fighting for completely as we would want them to be, to vote for things, and especially we see this in the Senate, in which there's more go along to get along, let's don't change things.
	Look, the reality is that everybody in this country, for the most part, does negotiations in their life, their business, and everywhere else.
	That is the same thing that has to happen on a win basis in Congress, in which you have, you set your goals, you set your expectations, you fight everything you can to get there, and then you make sure that when you've got as far as you can go, you don't go and give away everything that you've gained for no purpose and no reason.
	This is what I'm talking about.
	I'm not talking about, and this is where I get misconstrued a lot of times, I'm not talking about not fighting.
	That is not what I'm saying.
	What bothers me is, and I'll use the prime example, we tell people things that are not true.
	In 2013, 2012, 2011, let's go backwards a little bit, it was said, elect us to the United States House, give us a majority, and we will get rid of Obamacare.
	That was in no way going to happen.
	Period.
	End of statement.
	Wasn't going to happen.
	Now, we can argue about it, you can call and scream at me, you can do whatever you want to do, I don't, you know, frankly, that's okay.
	But all I'm just gonna say is, and you say, well, Doug, why is that true?
	If we'd have just shut it down and done everything else, no.
	You had a Senate that was still Democrat, you had a President who actually claimed the name of the bill in his own name, Obama, who were never going to sign a bill, no matter what it cost, to get rid of it completely.
	They just wasn't gonna do it.
	It just wasn't gonna happen.
	But yet, that's all we told the American people.
	Now, I'm gonna give it a, I'm gonna take it a step further.
	Between 2013 and 2015, We actually passed eight pieces of legislation attached to other bills that gutted much of the funding mechanisms of Obamacare and changed some other things, which made it basically in the form that it was supposed to be passed in, unworkable.
	But you know what?
	There was no Republican could talk about that.
	No Republican would go out on the campaign trail and say anything about that.
	Why?
	Because everybody had said, We're going to do away with Obamacare, complete lock, stock and barrel, repeal with one sentence, which happened over 60-something times in the United States House.
	And so none of our voters believed us when we went back and said, look, these are things that we actually did.
	So I'm just telling the truth here.
	I'm just giving you the cold hard facts.
	Can we have done better?
	Always!
	Tell me any of you who've ever negotiated a house or a car or a business deal or anybody else who at the end of it say, you know, I wish I could have got maybe if I'd have just done this, I could have got a little bit more.
	But at the end of the day, you get the best you can, fighting as hard as you can, and then you move forward to come back and get it again.
	That's the difference right now in Republicans and Democrats when we come to policy.
	And to say that, and I've heard this before, Democrats never compromise.
	Yes, they do.
	You don't see it because they solve it behind closed doors.
	And I'll share examples.
	When they had to do the infrastructure bill, when they had to do the Build Back Better bill, they did these things.
	They had their own problems within their conference, but they solved them.
	And at the end of the day, people who had real problems got something of what they wanted and then they walked back in.
	And said, I will vote for this, right?
	And so that we can get the bigger, because they understand that their 5%, their 5% was not the 95.
	They got 95% of what they wanted.
	They were going to vote with a 5%.
	Thank you so much for your call.
	I mean, this is really where we're at.
	Next time, next break, we got Michelle Tafoya going to be joining us.
	We're glad to have you with us.
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	We're excited here to have Michelle Tafoya with us.
	You've seen her all over.
	You've seen her here on the show, and she is a dear friend, and it's so good to see you, Michelle.
	How you been?
	I've been great, and anytime someone calls and says, Doug Collins would like to talk to you, I say yes.
	I drop what I'm doing, and I say yes.
	Let's just say you're too kind.
	It's Christmas season.
	Everybody's abounding in here.
	I love it.
	By the way, folks, if you've not, again, another partner with me, along with Seb and others in the Salem family, is Michelle with her podcast, the Michelle Tafoya podcast.
	I've been seeing you've had some interesting stuff going on lately.
	Tell us what's going on.
	We've had a lot of interesting stuff.
	I like to invite other podcast hosts onto my podcast.
	It's just, it's fun.
	So we had chicks on the right the other day, and we had just a lot of fun talking about how Ivy League presidents really aren't as smart as they appear, or they're foolish anyway.
	We talked about Riley Gaines and this whole, you know, culture of transgender that's infiltrating women's sports, a spot that it shouldn't be infiltrating.
	So there's been a lot with Rebecca Friedrich.
	She is the founder of For Kids and Country.
	She likes to expose the teacher unions for what they are, and she's done a really good job of it.
	So yeah, check it out wherever you get your podcasts, the Michelle Tafoi podcast.
	We appreciate it.
	Yeah, let's dive into something.
	I haven't had a chance, believe me, I've been discussing Congress and going into a lot of people, Ms.
	Sheldon, is you are like me.
	I just tell the truth, and if people don't like the truth, then it's their problem, not mine.
	And we get at it, but one of the things that you mentioned that I haven't had a chance to bring up today with these university presidents.
	I mean, there's an old saying among clergy that you're so heavenly minded you're no earthly good.
	I think these professors, these presidents, college presidents, are so academia-minded that they have no common sense.
	I mean, could you believe?
	I mean, honestly, just off the cuff, I was stunned at how stupid those statements were.
	And I can't say it any other way.
	It's just dumb.
	Well, right.
	What was stunning to me was that they were given multiple opportunities.
	to say that this is not acceptable, that this is against the Student Code of Conduct.
	But they came up with words like contextualize and First Amendment.
	I mean, I think at Harvard, if you misgender someone, that's against the Code of Conduct.
	But you can call for genocide and it's not?
	I think that Elise Stefanik did a tremendous job of just honing it down to this one question.
	Is this acceptable?
	And none of them answered it With the very easy, yeah, it's unacceptable.
	We don't accept calls for genocide.
	It's not that tough!
	Yeah, it is not that tough.
	If somebody's been in public life, in public office, I was in it for almost 16, 17 years, and you know, you answer questions, and what I have found is it's always true.
	The easiest answer is just the truth, okay?
	When you're trying to make it cute, You're getting into issues and problems that you're just not going to be able to fix.
	Now, if you and I were having a cup of coffee, we were in an academic setting, and we're thinking of all the examples, well, if this speech is this, did they actually make a contextual, did they actually do conduct?
	Oh, horse manure!
	You're on public eye, and to say what they said, but here's the worst part.
	You've been in more public eye.
	You've been watching.
	To come back with a video the next day?
	I was going to say, that's almost more embarrassing.
	The way that they've walked this back, and I think it's Liz Mullen of UPenn.
	Had to because someone pulled a $100 million donation.
	The word is very strong on the street, Doug, that she's not going to be in that position through the end of the weekend, that she may have to step down.
	I mean, I would say the same would go for Harvard.
	The only good thing about this, and I liken it to the only silver lining about the pandemic was that parents got to see what their children were being taught in schools.
	The only positive thing about these pro-Hamas I mean, this is beyond the pale.
	This stuff, trying to stand up for it as though it's freedom of speech, when if you misgender someone, you're against the Code of Conduct.
	If you fat-shame someone, you're against the Code of Conduct.
	But you call for the death of all Jews.
	It's not.
	It was pathetic.
	Yeah, it is.
	I always say right now, and people look at me funny, and I do speeches all over the country, and I say, now is the best time to be a conservative.
	Now is the best time.
	And they say, oh, but we're getting this, and I say, no, no.
	Now's the best time, because you don't have to fake what you think the Democrats are doing, the Liberals are doing.
	They're doing it for you.
	All you have to do is say, in their own words, Here it is.
	And so I think that's one of the things.
	I love your podcast.
	I love what you're doing.
	And you're bringing out so much good stuff that people need to follow you and hear this.
	Because if we don't, I mean, this is the time to stand up and get at it.
	There's safety in numbers.
	We need a coalition of courage.
	People who are willing to straighten their spine and say, I do not agree.
	And to say that a woman, a biological woman is a woman, a biological man is not a woman.
	And all of these common sense, I mean, we're in an upside down world right now.
	I hope we're starting to turn it because we're seeing such craziness that maybe people are starting to finally open their eyes and say, wow, this is not common sense.
	Yeah, this is Alice in Wonderland kind of stuff.
	Look, look, as much as I love you doing the podcast, your podcast, your show, and being on with me today and everything else, uh, I still miss you on, uh, a certain segment of the world on Sunday nights and, um, and being there, but you're still there and you're still great.
	You and I've been on each other's podcast many times.
	I got to get your take on the, uh, college football playoffs.
	And then also, if you can work it in, you know, where we're at with the professional football this year, Tom Brady's now saying everything's mediocre.
	I mean, this is pretty wild.
	Yeah.
	Well, there's an I think he does raise something interesting there.
	But going back to college football playoff, I think this selection committee decided, you know what, we got to do what we got to do.
	And we'll we'll we'll take all the incoming because next year we'll be up to 12 teams.
	And so and next year will be easier.
	So let's just, you know, Florida State was ripped off.
	You're a power school, you go undefeated, and because they don't think you're gonna put up a good fight in a playoff game, you don't get a spot?
	Alabama comes up with this win over Georgia, and Georgia suddenly drops how many spots, Doug?
	Five?
	Five.
	Thank you for reminding me.
	I'm sorry, but, you know, honestly, I say it because I feel for Georgia fans.
	So this was really kind of embarrassing.
	I think Florida State got shafted more than Georgia did, quite frankly.
	I do.
	You know, I mean, you tell the defense, you do what you just did, and you're not going to the national championship?
	That's it.
	Michelle, you're wonderful.
	I'm so glad you've been with us.
	Thanks for being a part of us today.
	We'll talk to you again soon.
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	All right, folks, we'll be back.
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	Seb is off and we're rolling through the show today with a lot of great calls.
	And I have to say, as I look around the call deck and I see people calling in, I apologize.
	Sometimes we can't get to you as quickly as we want.
	But one who has stuck around and has got my interest piqued now, it is Richard from Las Vegas.
	Richard, what's going on?
	Hello.
	An idea.
	To enhance the Monroe Doctrine, the administration should negotiate a 199-year Hong Kong-style, totally sovereign lease with a piece of Guyana that includes a deep port for our navy.
	This would, of course, help protect all South American countries, And international capital would flood into Guyana and perhaps Americans like the French have down there now would have high rise condominiums and homes as second places of residence during our cold winter in North America.
	Okay, Richard, thanks for calling.
	Interesting call.
	Um, I would have never thought about that.
	I'm not saying it's, uh, I'm not going to weigh in on Richard.
	Richard made a good argument for himself.
	You make your own judgments there.
	Um, with what's going on.
	I think there's always the ways that we've got to look into.
	I think the, maybe the one part that brought up in that he says is that, uh, we can, um, I think we don't pay enough attention sometimes to our back door.
	And if you don't believe it, just look at our, uh, Southern border.
	And dealings with the issues around our Southern border that the Biden administration does not want you to look at.
	They do not want you to talk about, they do not want you to be a part of this because, um, you know, they simply try to blame it.
	Remember, we do still have a quote, border czar.
	She is the vice president who has never visited the border.
	And on the only trip really to actually deal with it, she went to find the root causes of immigration.
	This was about three years ago now.
	And guess what she found?
	We want to come to America because you have jobs.
	Okay.
	I don't think that took a trip on Air Force Two to find that out, but...
	OK, we'll look at it.
	If you want to call 833-334-6752, 833-334-6752 is your call today.
	We want you to be a part of the show as we're filling in.
	And of course, I am Doug Collins filling in for Seb today, who is down at Mar-a-Lago with the Moms for America Patriots Gala.
	So if you're in the area or you're going tonight and you're listening, hey, go have a great time as we come forward.
	Let me finish up one conversation that I want to finish up that's been sort of running through a theme through most of the show today.
	And that is, and it's coming back again from our call from Emily.
	uh... just a little bit ago that uh... when you're dealing in congress is dealing and
	how we get to our speakership how we get to the bills that we've got to
	get done uh... we've got to start laying out an agenda that says how
	do we uh... not only express this to the american public but also then carry
	through with it let me tell you where we're at right now in the this
	concern is coming along in the next little bit we have piled so much on because of
	the uh... issues that have not gotten accomplished
	that you're setting yourself up maybe not for a christmas deal in the
	uh... spending side but you're setting up yourself for a january february deal
	that is uh... most of the problem that we have been trying to get something
	done on spending Uh, we've talked off air today that we've had callers who talk about spending, needing to get into control.
	And I think this is where we've got to do it.
	Uh, but you're not going to do it in a CR.
	It's just not happening.
	And, and then the 1% that's going to kick in at the beginning of the year, uh, as a total across the board, 1%, uh, you know, a cut.
	is going to have a disproportional effect on our military.
	And you may not want to hear this, but here's the problem.
	When you take a 1% of the board cut on discretionary spending and defense spending, which by the way, both are discretionary spending.
	Whether you knew that or not, maybe that's new for some of you that we don't actually have mandatory military spending.
	We have discretionary spending.
	In looking at this, you've got to understand that we're going to cut it off.
	We're going to hurt our own military with this.
	So, as we deal with this going forward, we've got to just make our plans, we've got to express our plans, and we've got to move to vote our plans.
	That's the way we move out of this.
	So, we've still got a lot left to go here on the show.
	More Second Amendment stuff coming up.
	We will be right back here on the Seb Gorka Show.
	Doug Collins filling in for Sam.
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	John, how are we doing buddy?
	Doing great.
	Good to talk to you.
	Good to talk to you as well as always.
	Hey look, we think about this and at the most amazing times Democrats choose to throw stuff to their base and part of that always is the assault weapons ban which I just love the title because show me what an assault weapon is they cannot do it.
	It's about like for the same group though this is not surprising because they can't also tell you what a woman is so that's a it shouldn't be that much of a surprise.
	But It's always in these discussions in the Senate, you know, voted this thing down again, which they should, but we always get into these really bad, and you and I talked about this offline just a minute ago, the bad information that comes out about Democrats about guns.
	So help us out here and explain why this is a bad idea and also some of the stuff that gets mixed into this as well, John.
	Sure.
	I mean, even the Associated Press, which is hardly moderate or right-wing by any measure, last year in their style book that reporters are supposed to follow, said that terms like assault weapon or military weapon or whatever, weapons of war, are meaningless terms.
	that don't apply here, that they say you can't put to any military around the world that uses
	these semi-automatic rifles that are being talked about as military weapons.
	In case people don't know, there's basically three types of guns.
	You have kind of manual loaded guns, where one pull the trigger, one bullet comes out, and then you have to physically yourself chamber another bullet there.
	Or you have semi-automatic, one pull the trigger, one bullet comes out, and then it reloads itself.
	Or then you have fully automatic and that is, you know, as long as you have the trigger depressed, you're going to have bullets coming out of as long as they have bullets in the gun there.
	And so, you know, military weapons have either burst or fully semi-automatic modes there where you can fire multiple rounds with just one pull of the trigger.
	That's not what's being talked about here.
	That's not been used in one of these mass public shootings around the world.
	And, you know, there's so much misinformation about these mass public shootings.
	We keep on hearing, we heard it again in the debate and the discussion this week about the fact that the United States is somehow unique in terms of either murders or in terms of mass public shootings.
	Neither of those things are true.
	The United States is below the average and we're below the median in terms of homicide rates compared to other countries.
	There are countries, even in Europe, that have higher per capita rates of mass public shootings than we have here in the United States.
	The United States makes up about 4.6% of the world population, but we make up about 1% of the world's mass public shooters.
	We're way below the average.
	There are many countries I'll just give you a quick example.
	You look at mass public school shootings, where four or more people have been killed.
	Since 2000, the United States has had 10 of those types of school shootings.
	You look at a country like Germany, they've had three.
	But you have to adjust for the fact that the United States has over 330 million people.
	Germany has 80 million.
	If you adjust for that, they have the equivalent of 12 that occurred over the same period of time.
	A country like Finland, which has had two mass public school shootings, well, they have five and a half million people.
	We have 60 times more people than they have.
	If you adjust for that, they have the equivalent of 120 on a per capita rate.
	And yet, for some reason, the media, you know, they would never go and just look at the total number of murders in California and Rhode Island and making comparisons of murders in those two places.
	They would put it in per capita rates.
	And yet, somehow, when we talk about mass public shootings, the media just refuses to go and put these things in per capita rates.
	And, of course, attacks in other countries just don't get that much news coverage.
	Go ahead.
	No, let me jump in here because one of the things that you talk about other countries and everything, we can go right here to home.
	And this is the fact, long rifles or guns that they're quotes talking about are used in a very small percentage of violent acts in this country.
	The vast majority come from handguns and blunt objects.
	Those are the kind of things you look at.
	So when you look at, the question always comes up, is we need to make another law.
	Right.
	John, that's not true.
	If the laws were being enforced, and every example they give are something illegal, why are we having so much trouble understanding the reality that this is already, for the most part, 99% of the time illegal in what you're talking about, and you're thinking another law is going to solve it?
	Well, I mean, you bring up a lot of important points there.
	Less than 8% of violent crime in the United States—since you mentioned overall violent crime—involves guns.
	Over 92% in no way involves guns.
	If you look at just murders, and you're talking about—because most murders do involve guns—but if you're talking about long guns, any type of long gun—assault weapon or anything else—only about 2% of murders in the United States involve any type of long gun.
	If you look at if you look at mass public shootings, for example, only a little bit less than 15% of mass public shootings involve only a long gun.
	Even if you, you know, you have about 58% of mass public shootings involve only a handgun.
	You know, you kind of combine long guns with other types of guns, you still get less than 30%.
	Even in combination where people being killed by multiple different weapons.
	And so, you know, but yet when you have these types of cases, they get That type of weapon is mentioned a lot, but when it doesn't, then they don't mention the weapon very much in the media reports, and it creates an impression in people's minds that somehow most of these types of attacks involve assault weapons, or long guns.
	I agree.
	John Lott, President of the Crime Prevention Research Center.
	John, it's always good to talk to you.
	You bring good information every time you're with us.
	Doug Collins, Phil Negan for Seb Gorka here on America First.
	We'll be back in just a minute.
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	All right.
	We're back here.
	Final segment of this hour.
	Looking forward to the next hour.
	We got Hogan Gidley with us.
	We got Matt Whitlock with us next hour.
	Looking forward to that.
	But I just have to end the hour with just... We're going to pick this up at the top of the hour.
	I'm going to hit it a little bit harder.
	But just listen to this for a minute and I'm going to explain as we go ahead.
	Because you know, in Hunter Biden's world, all things are sunshine and roses.
	In Hunter Biden's world, the IRS is for other people.
	It's for the little folks out there.
	Hunter Biden's world, taxes?
	Nah, let them eat cake.
	I don't pay that.
	It's a great big beautiful tomorrow for Hunter Biden.
	You know, I don't know about you, but I just do not like...
	You know, going through the tax process and everything.
	And I understand our government and how it needs to work and all that.
	But, but you know, I worry about, did I put enough down for my mileage?
	Did I put a lunch that probably was, they're going to say wasn't a business lunch.
	Did I take the right tax deduction?
	Ha!
	All I want to do this next year is go to my accountant and say, I want to be like Hunter.
	Because he has now been indicted, and we're going to talk about this more in the next hour.
	But he's been indicted, and part of his indictment was things on how he evaded tax assessment for the 2018 through 2020.
	And let's just look at some of these.
	It is amazing.
	I didn't know that you needed this, but he spent money on drugs, escorts, girlfriends.
	He has a lot of them.
	Luxury hotels, rental properties, exotic cars, clothing, and other personal items.
	In nature, everything he paid for but his taxes.
	He spent over $683,000 on what is quote termed various women, as well as $400,000 on clothing
	and accessories.
	I'm not sure about you, but if you're spending $680,000 on various women, you probably don't need the $400,000 in clothing!
	Especially with the videos that we've seen coming out.
	But I guess also, in your hunter, you can also write off things like adult entertainment.
	$188,000 on porn.
	Darrell Issa, current member of Congress, former chairman of the House Oversight Committee,
	they once caught a person in one of the bureaucracies, one of the bureaucrats who had watched 6,000
	hours of porn on his government computer and was not fired.
	Daryl Issa asked the question, how much porn do you have to watch to get fired?
	Hunter Biden would stretch that limit.
	Is we go forward.
	I mean, he bought cars, he bought everything.
	We're going to discuss how this actually pays into a pact of his father.
	But when you do this kind of, uh, of creative financing, I think the accounting society of America ought to bring Hunter Biden in for an award.
	This is how you mess over the government and not pay it and pay for everything else.
	Unfortunately, the game's over.
	The money spent and the women aren't around.
	Hunter, it's gonna be a long time.
	That's it!
	That's the second hour Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
	We will be back with more next hour.
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	Again, we got Matt Whitaker coming up.
	We got Hogan Gidley coming up.
	Going to be a good time, but we're going to turn now to something I've meant to get to the whole show.
	And wow, you have made it great today.
	It's going to be a great time, but I want to turn to the Hunter Biden indictments.
	Shockingly.
	Now we, we talked a little bit in the last hour about how great Hunter is with taxes and well, his expenses are now getting caught.
	Listen to what Hunter has to say about this.
	They are trying to, in their most illegitimate way, but rational way, they're trying to destroy a presidency.
	And so it's not about me.
	In their most base way, what they're trying to do is they're trying to kill me, knowing that it will be a pain greater than my father could be able to handle.
	Excuse me?
	Okay, the first off of that quote is he's actually saying that they want to damage the presidency and that's the standard Democrat operating line, that Biden's done nothing, you're just trying to get at Biden because you're a Trump supporter or you're just a MAGA Republican or whatever you want to call it, and that you're going after the president.
	But then he takes this weird sort of turn that they're trying to kill me.
	How is being held accountable to the law killing you, Hunter?
	You were working on that pretty well when you were out of your mind on drugs.
	You were going to every brothel, every underground sex thing that you could get your hands on, spending money, uh,
	that you were getting from sources now that have been talked about, where were you getting
	your money?
	We're now sourcing that back to the overseas business dealings that you had.
	And you were spending this in ways that are now catching up to you because you thought
	you were better undoubtedly than everybody else in your, uh, in your rattled brain at
	the time that you didn't have to pay your taxes.
	That you could just go spend it on sex and drugs and, and, uh, and houses and cars and
	everything, guns, which you're not supposed to have.
	And now that you're being held accountable to that, you're actually saying that that is killing you?
	Because you believe that it would kill your father who has already been hurt and who's already shown his compassion and understanding for a son that has had the problems that you have had, Hunter?
	No, Hunter, I want to see you get better.
	I want to see you get off drugs.
	I want to see you realize that sex and all the things that you put yourself into were not the things that were going to help you in life.
	But you cannot blame and tell you that the holding accountable is trying to kill you.
	Now, Hunter goes on and has some more to say about this.
	Let's hear it.
	Which, by the way, this whole idea that this may not, in every aspect, be a Russian disinformation campaign, but it has literally every earmark of what the Russians did.
	What's it called?
	It's called eliminationist rhetoric.
	Eliminationist rhetoric was something that the Nazis came up with as a tool to undermine their political rivals.
	And then Putin has fine-tuned it.
	And what Putin did when he was coming to power in the early 2000s was, there were still some real significant voices, and some with real money and intellectual public standing inside of Russia, or living as expatriates, that were speaking out against Putin.
	So what did he do?
	He didn't argue with them on the merits.
	He didn't argue with them about economic policy and democracy and the freedom to vote because he knew he'd lose that argument.
	So what did he do?
	He labeled them pedophiles.
	He planted child pornography on their laptops and their computers.
	And so maybe only 10% of the people then in the public would believe this.
	then when he would turn around after he got ten fifteen twenty percent of the
	people believe in the worst thing you can possibly think about a human being
	then we turns around and said
	and also he's a money launderer and he is against the russian people
	so i'd easy for them to believe that what is he talking about
	i mean uh... this is the part
	that is the so very frustrating for so many of us who have dealt with the
	uh...
	Russian hoax, the sham impeachment, the whole attack on Donald Trump of going from a fake dossier to a FBI that was complicit to its core at the highest levels in trying to go after Donald Trump, even before he was elected president of the United States.
	And again, it's seemingly, I can't believe that that is now almost seven years ago.
	Uh, when all this was going on and the stuff that we had to wade through, the actual, you know, muck that we had to wade through dealing and trying to get answers on this.
	And now we're saying, oh, the implication that Hunter Biden is being set up by the Russians and that this was Russian disinformation.
	How many times can you go to the well and use that?
	Their laptop was real.
	The FBI refused to talk about it, has now admitted it's real.
	They've now wasted a lot of time and also let the statute of limitations lapse on a lot of Hunter Biden's charges.
	They did not go at it at a time, and yet will correspond that with other issues such as Donald Trump, who's sitting in a courtroom right now on a civil case in which Letitia James has brought a case that is absolutely meritless!
	This is what's bothering America, folks.
	This is the fifth, you know, we're five o'clock on the East Coast here.
	We're discussing the problems right now that people are seeing, and people wonder why many people of color, other minorities, other people who feel disenfranchised with the inflation and Bidenomics is not working, and they look at a government that is attacking Donald Trump with something especially that they understand is not being true.
	When you value Mar-a-Lago at 18 million dollars, you look at the fact that when Deutsche Bank Who they were supposedly the victim in this, comes in and says, not only did we take his financial statements, we did our own due diligence, we cut it in half, we still gave him the money, we made money, and we'd give money to him again.
	And Letitia James is wasting the New York taxpayer's money and the American people's time trying to get at someone they just don't like.
	And yet Hunter Biden is allowed to run around and claim Russian disinformation.
	They're out to get me.
	They're out to kill me because he chose to make a lot of money selling the brand of the Bidens across the world with his father and then spend it on drugs and hookers and cars and apartments and everything else.
	I don't get it.
	Hunter needs help.
	Yes, he needs help.
	But he also has got to be held accountable for what he did.
	And by making him be held accountable, he's not killing him.
	It is being accountable just like everybody else whose last name is not Biden.
	And then when they correspond that with what's going on with Donald Trump, you now see why America is so frustrated.
	This is not hard, folks.
	It's really not hard.
	Give me a break.
	We still got a little bit left to go.
	Matt Whitaker's up next here with me on America First.
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	Bring in our friend, Matt Whitaker.
	Matt, glad to look at that picture.
	You know, you're looking good there, buddy.
	Well, Doug, I'm glad you dressed up for this segment.
	Hey, you know, I got ready for this.
	I even got my, you know, my elk hat on.
	I mean, you know, it's Friday, baby.
	It's Friday, baby.
	It is Friday.
	I took off my, uh, my, my St.
	Louis Cardinals hoodie and, uh, you know, dressed up for you.
	So there we go.
	I like it.
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	Hey, well, I appreciate that.
	You see, I got whistling straights here.
	I tried to at least give the golf world a little shout out.
	Cause you know, I do have a handicap.
	It's my swing, but you know, You know, we need to get out and play.
	As I always say, I love the game of golf.
	It doesn't love me back.
	It is amazing to me.
	But you know, I find so many neat things when I go off on my, you know, hike and adventure when I golf.
	So, you know, I see things I never see before, so it's pretty well.
	Please tell me you're not one of those guys that goes into the woods to find their own ball and comes out with 10 free balls that then they use to, like, find more balls in the woods.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Next question.
	Next question.
	You know, I'm one of them poor North Georgia boys.
	Come on, give me a break.
	You know, hey, look, I found a Pro V5 right here.
	It's great.
	Hey, let's move to something going on.
	Hunter Biden is back in the news.
	In the last segment, we actually played some clips in which Hunter Biden made some really interesting claims.
	I'd love to hear your take on this.
	One, he's saying the normal standard line that Democrats, that Republicans are just basically trying to take down a presidency.
	Okay, fine.
	We've heard that.
	Then he goes on to say that really what's happening is they're trying to kill him because it would make his dad feel really bad.
	I'm not making this up, Matt.
	And then goes into another segment in which he's basically blaming Russian disinformation for his own problems of spending as much money as he had on women, porn, drugs, and everything else.
	Help us understand this.
	Is he just still delusional?
	Well, none of that would have been a problem if he didn't try to deduct it from his taxes, Doug.
	I mean, at the end of the day, that's what we're talking about.
	Basic tax cheat.
	Somebody that took personal expenses, ran through their tax returns, and the thing that I mentioned this morning on Fox & Friends that I think people don't really appreciate this is, you know, he didn't file his taxes in 2014 or 2015.
	Those have expired.
	They can't indict him for those crimes.
	But, and he didn't pay taxes.
	Yep.
	And so in 2014, 2015 is where he was the, had the most lucrative consulting gig,
	and with his dad being vice president.
	But all that being said is remember, the reason he filed these taxes in the first place
	is because he was getting a lot of pressure from the mother of his child down in Arkansas,
	who wanted a lot of money from him.
	And so he created these tax returns, filed them as tax returns that showed very little net income, and he pled poverty.
	And all of his expenses were the things that you point out.
	So, I mean, this is somebody that has been trying to game the system.
	And I think the only reason the president is relevant in this is because at the end of the day, he was given 50% of his money To his dad, at least he says that in a text message to his own daughter.
	And so, you know, Joe Biden is implicated in all this.
	Well, that brings us up to the next question.
	And look, we understand that, you know.
	how the whole thing would work in the House and the Senate dynamic and everything else.
	But the investigations need to happen no matter where this goes, because people have been lied to,
	at least among the evidence that has been presented so far, have been lied to by Joe Biden
	about not knowing about his son, not knowing about these sources of income. And if anything,
	this, at least this case now with Weiss, brings out the fact that there was income involved.
	I mean, if you were to listen to some of the mainstream media stories, Hunter Biden's been on poverty for 20 years, that they don't know where this money just popped up at.
	So is that going to be something that I think plays even more so in people's mind, that there is this income trail, that there has been lies done about it, that makes a difference?
	Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
	Obviously, if this was just about Hunter Biden, then the Congress, you know, shouldn't be involved because it doesn't, you know, there's nobody that's impeachable because, you know, Hunter Biden's a private citizen.
	But, you know, what makes this very interesting is the fact that Joe Biden, when he was vice president, was potentially being bribed by foreign Companies that you know, there's just so many facts in this and so much of it.
	I think the American people have heard and they haven't really connected the dots, but you know, it's it's it's his role of getting a million dollars a year being on the board of directors of Burisma who when he was on the board of Burisma.
	He was with his company that was a Ukrainian oil and gas company in, I think, Abu Dhabi, and they made a call to Joe Biden.
	And that call ultimately led to the firing of the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, the very company he was getting a million dollars a year from.
	Uh, because Joe Biden as vice president held up loan guarantees for the country of Ukraine and they and they ultimately decided they'd rather have the loan guarantees than this prosecutor.
	And so, you know, it was all related.
	And remember, Doug, the other thing that I know you, I don't want to bring some PTSD for you.
	But remember that this was the whole reason that the president had the perfect phone call in the first place, that Donald Trump had the perfect phone call, and ultimately was impeached by the House of Representatives for that, which turned out to, quite frankly, be legitimate.
	Like, could you look into this corruption issue?
	And all of this was done on the backdrop, ultimately.
	And you mentioned Joe Biden lying to the American people about Hunter and what he was doing and his knowledge of what Hunter was doing.
	All those lies were made to try to get elected and ultimately be elected President of the United States from his basement in the middle of COVID.
	Exactly.
	And one of the things that we're looking at here, and I think it has to be ringing back that time, we knew there were problems.
	And I think this was the part that when we were looking at it from a perspective, Matt is saying, when we went through that sham impeachment, and then there were several things that we were looking at.
	Not only we knew that there were Biden issues, we knew that there were some things going on, but we also knew that what was happening with the FBI and the Department of Justice during this time were Implicating some bad activity.
	When we get back, we're going to go to a break here right quick, but when we get back, Matt, here's a couple of things I want to talk about.
	I want to hit the debates coming up, but I also want to hit, why do you think that these indictments came out now?
	I've got a couple of opinions on it, but I think it's something we can actually talk about as we go ahead.
	So folks, Matt Whitaker's with us.
	I'm glad to have him with us.
	We've got still a lot more to go here on the show.
	Go take a quick break and come back and join us.
	We'll be right back.
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	Congressman Doug Collins.
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	Back with Matt Whitaker.
	Matt's with us.
	Matt, let's pick back up on this.
	Why the indictments came down today, 1st of December.
	A couple of theories here.
	One is they did it so that to keep Hunter out of Congress where he might spill more issues.
	And the other two is to keep it out of the election.
	What to say you, my friend?
	Yes.
	First of all, the bumper music's amazing.
	I mean, Allman Brothers going out and we got Skinner coming in.
	I mean, this is, I feel like I'm a guy from Georgia.
	I got it, baby.
	Hey, we know what the smell is, baby.
	We know what it is.
	That was like going at it.
	Ooh, that smell.
	So, The long story short is I think there's actually three things.
	You're right.
	You know, not having Hunter testify when he's been subpoenaed on the 13th obviously is everybody on the left's goal.
	Keeping me out of an election year.
	Obviously, they don't want to be accused of election interference.
	I think the third thing is David Weiss probably feels this is personal now.
	He was embarrassed and criticized, and you know, you can't ignore that when it's happening.
	And the fact that he had tried to take the gun charges and the tax charges, which by my count involves about nine felonies now that have been charged, and tried to get rid of it with a deferred judgment together with a misdemeanor plea to no jail time, shows you what a sweetheart deal that would be.
	You know, it is...
	It's just terrible.
	It's terrible.
	And I think Weiss is trying to save his career, save face.
	You know, he's got no home now.
	I mean, obviously, allegedly a Trump appointee.
	He was really a Delaware appointee, had been in that office for a long time.
	And I just, you know, this whole situation just smells.
	Talk about that smell.
	We know exactly what that smell is.
	It's this sweetheart deal that Biden almost got away with.
	Oh, it did, it did.
	And you know, you used to work with these U.S.
	Attorneys and stuff and have to deal with this, especially in your role in Acting Attorney General.
	It's just amazing to see how this is catching up with them.
	And it's just, you know, it's an embarrassment.
	Another one that we, and to be honest, it's going to be how bad it is.
	The other part that is where you see slow dragging with the Bidens is in the document case.
	I don't even, I can't even remember the name of the prosecutor who was put in charge of it because I think... What name are you looking for?
	I think he's in the witness protection program because, honest to God, I don't know where he's at.
	So he didn't come out.
	I guess they leaked that there would be no charges, right?
	Did I see that?
	I don't know.
	They leaked something, but it's like, are you kidding me?
	Then the other issue ought to be dropped immediately.
	The Trump documents ought to be dropped immediately.
	I mean, this is ridiculous.
	Let's get to other ridiculous.
	When Chris Christie is the one who has the most memorable line and the most truthful line of a debate.
	Then you need to take a step back for a minute.
	When Chris Christie the other night said at the debate, in which I have no idea how he even found the debate, much less watched it, but anyway, you went to it, he said, and it was so poignant, he looked at it and you could see it, he pointed to the other three, he said, the sad part about this is that the other three up here think they're debating each other for the nomination.
	And it points out that Donald Trump is winning the nomination.
	Donald Trump is the winner of the debates.
	NBC actually went to Atlanta.
	30 people in a focus group.
	18 of them voted for Donald Trump after the debate.
	When can we put a stop to this?
	At this point, it's not helping.
	Let them run all they want, but quit putting this out there.
	It's just not good at this point.
	Yeah, it's not good.
	And remember, it was on News Nation and simulcast on The CW, which I know you probably watch a lot of Golden Girl reruns on The CW.
	But you're right.
	I mean, Donald Trump, I'm in Iowa, obviously, and Donald Trump has it wrapped up.
	We just need to have the caucuses on the 15th, he'll go to New Hampshire.
	And then I think if we've performed the way the polls suggest, Donald Trump will have it wrapped up
	after those two states.
	Now, that being said, obviously it's a long slog as we go through 24, but all the eyes should be focused
	on getting Joe Biden and his corruption out of the federal government and trying to get
	the deep state to finally implement an agenda that is for the benefit of the American people.
	And I just, as I get around this country, but especially in my home state of Iowa,
	it just strikes me how much Joe Biden is not working for the American worker, the American family.
	And he's really just trying to help his agenda.
	You know, I mean, nobody in Iowa is trying to get an electric vehicle.
	They know that it is unreliable, that it's hard to drive around.
	And, you know, if you're going to drive across the state, there's really nowhere to charge it when you get halfway and you run out of charge.
	You know, all these issues that Joe Biden stands for are really not the issues that mom and dad are sitting around talking at their family table right now.
	I agree.
	Matt Whitaker, author Above the Law, great friend.
	Also, let me just put in here one thing, though.
	Iowa, if you're voting for Trump, you've got to show up at the caucuses.
	Matt, it's always good to be with you, buddy.
	All right, good to see you, Doug.
	Thank you.
	All right, folks, we've got one more segment.
	Hogan Gidley's going to be on with us.
	And with Hogan, then we've got one more time.
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	When I'm not here on the show with, uh, America first and step.
	So we're glad to have him.
	He's down with Moms for America down in Mar-a-Lago.
	But right now we have with us a good friend, a communicator extraordinaire, and I'm frankly glad that we just have him on the phone and not Skype because he would make me look rather shabby in comparison because he is also one of the better dressers that I've seen around.
	Hogan Gidley's with us.
	Hogan, how we doing buddy?
	I'm good.
	First of all, you know, being the best dresser You didn't say best dressed, but a good dresser in Washington, D.C.
	Not really a high bar, Doug.
	Well, I guess that's the way to put it.
	We do have a picture of you here, look rather dapper with your pocket square and everything else.
	Hey, Liz Cheney has been out on her book tour, but making the argument that Democrats are making right now about democracy.
	I want you to hear this clip and then let's talk about it, because I think it's going to be a big issue in the next 12 months.
	Do you think that our democracy is at risk with Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House?
	I do think that we have to be very concerned about the fact that he has shown a willingness
	to take steps that he knows to be wrong in order to placate Donald Trump.
	And that was the thing that surprised me the most, I think.
	I had not understood that that was Mike's character.
	I thought that he was a man of character and a man of honor.
	But when I watched again and again and again throughout this period, his willingness, you
	know, essentially to do things without any basis in law.
	Let's think about what she just said there.
	Basically, I'm going to break it down and make it real simple for some of the folks in the audience saying, basically, if you don't agree with me, then you have no basis and no backbone.
	But they're making the bigger argument that Donald Trump being elected is a threat to democracy.
	Talk about that a second.
	Here's how you know it's not.
	Because he was already president.
	It's one thing to be, I'm a governor, I'm a senator, I'm a businessman, I'm trying to run for president.
	I'm promising you I won't make it a bad place.
	I promise you all these things.
	He already was president.
	And while Liz Cheney and others in this little cavalcade of self-loathing Republicans, of lovable loser Republicans, I mean, she just isn't.
	that jettison all their principles, that whenever they can decide with the Democrats
	and be kind of the court gestures over on that side of the aisle and kind of play the part well for them
	so they can go on MSNBC or CNN or somewhere else.
	Like he already was president.
	That is such a specious claim.
	It's so ridiculous.
	And someone like her, she's just not a serious person anymore.
	I mean, she just isn't.
	And Donald Trump improved the lives of all Americans, regardless of race, religion, color, or creed.
	He had successes where we were energy independent for the first time in decades.
	Made trade deals that actually benefited American workers.
	Peace deals that no one thought possible.
	Everyone mocked him, said he was going to send the Middle East into turmoil.
	Now look what we've got.
	All the experts are back in charge.
	All the adults.
	How's that working out?
	Um, you know, hostages back at record numbers.
	These are just a handful of things he was able to accomplish, not to mention securing the southern border, making the economy explode and make better futures for not just us, but for generations to come.
	He has a body of work to look at here.
	And so when you put someone like Joe Biden up against Donald Trump in an upcoming election,
	the first time around, Joe Biden was in that basement and protected.
	Now he's not.
	And Doug, you and I have been conservatives, Republicans for a long time.
	You used to have to point back to Reagan and say, wow, look at how good we were in the
	80s.
	This was two years ago.
	We had all these successes.
	So spare me, Mr.
	Cheney, on what you're doing.
	There's a reason for what you're doing and saying.
	There's a reason you got voted out of office.
	It's because the people in your state understood the fact that you were no longer supporting America First principles, America First policies that, quite frankly, 80% of this country, when you take party out of it, 80% of this country supports.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I think that's the sad issue of this.
	It has become very personal.
	It's become, you know, whatever we can do because I don't agree and I didn't get what I want.
	Brings us to another interesting issue here, then that is the debates.
	And I know you were down in Tuscaloosa this past week as well.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Now tell me how much that hurts your heart.
	As a Georgia fan, and I'm an Ole Miss fan, I had to go to Tuscaloosa?
	Yeah.
	Well, well, I noticed the college football playoffs team said you had to go there.
	So that was where he had to go.
	Yeah.
	Look, I'm, I'm okay with some things.
	We'll have to deal with the hurt on some other angles, but yeah.
	In Tuscaloosa, um, when Chris Christie is the one that actually says the most poignant line of the night, when he says that, and I brought this up with Matt Whitaker a few minutes ago, and I said, you know, when he looks at the other three and he said, these three, he's almost said it in a pathetic way.
	He said, these three still think that they're debating each other for the nomination.
	And he recognized the fact that Donald Trump is the nominee.
	Donald Trump is winning this.
	How much though do you think, and I'm curious from your communicator perspective, has Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, and Vivek is in his own world, have really hurt themselves in these debates that frankly probably should not have happened as many as they have with the RNC sponsoring them like they have?
	You mean, look, debates are about creating moments and taking those moments and turning them into momentum and then ultimately taking momentum and making it a movement.
	Remember when Kamala Harris, our esteemed vice president, called Joe Biden a segregationist and a sex criminal from the debate stage, had t-shirts ready.
	didn't capitalize perks.
	She couldn't use that to her advantage other than to sell some cotton, right?
	Get those t-shirts out of the deal.
	It's hard when you have a prime time debate with prime time issues,
	but the prime time player isn't there, okay?
	Even when Donald Trump's not in the room, he's sucking oxygen out of it.
	When he's there, good luck.
	You're not going to get a word in edgewise, and he's going to take things over.
	But he does the same thing even when he's not in the state, for heaven's sakes.
	It's clear that Donald Trump has a stranglehold on this nomination right now, and barring some unforeseen crazy happening with the leftist going after him, it's going to stay that way.
	OK?
	Yeah, it is.
	And it's hard for someone To debate and take, take support away from Donald Trump when he's not even up on the stage to defend himself or have a conversation.
	He just said, nope, not going.
	Yep.
	That's it.
	Hogan, you hit it perfectly, buddy.
	It's always good to have you.
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	Yes, you're right.
	Sweet dreams are made of this.
	It's when Doug Collins fills in for Seb Gorka and you get the best with Seb, then you get me and we just have fun on Fridays.
	This is what we have.
	Uh, but it's good to be with you.
	If you want to hear more of me, Doug Collins podcast, uh, everywhere you get your podcast, but it's always been good today.
	Had a great call, a great guest today.
	Thanks to all who came aboard.
	Um, but we got a little bit left to go here before we get into this.
	Uh, we do have a caller, Nancy.
	Uh, we don't have a lot of time, but Nancy, give me your, give me your best shot here.
	Hi, Doug.
	Was I previously listening to the same Hunter Biden that the Godfather, I mean his father, the smartest man he ever met, was talking?
	Yeah, wasn't you impressed, Nancy?
	Yeah, and I don't know, but I'm assuming that charges were brought now so that the Godfather, I mean the father, can pardon Hunter before he's out of office.
	Yeah.
	We'll say, Nancy, thank you for your call.
	It's something, let me address this, but you know, Nancy, we have to come to an understanding here.
	When you come to talk to the Godfather, the Godfather then takes you over there.
	We've got a deal here.
	I don't think they're going to be able to make a deal here.
	This has been put into the late part, Nancy, and I know a lot of people are going to think this.
	Can you imagine, it's already bad enough now, can you imagine if he actually tries to pardon him?
	I mean, I will say this, here's you something right now, for all of you out there who don't think Joe Biden will actually run for re-election.
	I will go out on a limb and say this, if Joe Biden ends up pardoning Hunter Biden sometime before the election, Joe Biden drops out of the presidential race.
	I just don't see how he can't.
	There's no way, there's not a Democrat consultant, there's not a pollster in the world that will tell him if he pardons his own son, Before the election, before the Democratic convention or these primaries, I think that is a surefire ticket for those who may or may not know that Joe Biden will not be the nominee for the Democratic Party.
	Now, again, you may say, well, no, he's just brass enough and thinks that he'll get away with it and nobody will care.
	I just don't see that.
	And I know it's something to think about.
	I think the more, for me in this whole scenario, I think Weiss, as Matt Whitaker said earlier, I think Weiss is embarrassed, he felt he had to do something, but I think he did it now in a way that actually made it worse because now it appears, just like I would think it is, is that Weiss put this in so that Hunter doesn't have to go to the Capitol Hill and testify.
	No, Abbey Law will never let Hunter go to Capitol Hill now.
	If he is, he needs to be sued for malpractice as a lawyer.
	Because these charges have just come out.
	They will deal it directly with what we've been talking about the entire time.
	About the money.
	The money did come in.
	Was the money transferred?
	Where were this if it was a loan or not a loan?
	This is all a part of this and if you don't have this in.
	Then you don't have the case against Biden.
	So here it is.
	That's where we're at.
	That's all we have.
	A lot to do today, but as we bring it to an end, just like the Beatles' White Album, we're at the end of the show.
	It is Friday.
	It's time for the weekend.
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