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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: President Trump refuses to testify in New York show trial

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	Fantastic, everyone.
	We appreciate it very much.
	And it's good to have everybody at Mar-a-Lago.
	I didn't want to have any trouble finding the stairs like Joe Biden.
	The other night, they had three sets of stairs.
	No matter where you went, there were stairs.
	And he couldn't find them.
	And he's supposed to get us out of a nuclear problem?
	I don't think so.
	We would never have more danger than we have right now, frankly, as a country.
	But we have very good call numbers.
	I guess you've been watching through the roof.
	We have the weaponization of government like we've never had.
	Oh, Sebastian, he's the greatest.
	This guy.
	I have a feeling he may be in the administration with us.
	Does everyone know Sebastian?
	We're ready, sir.
	We're ready.
	Nice to be told, isn't it?
	It's great.
	I see this guy.
	But I won 6-9, so he beat you.
	6-9, you really felt it?
	Anyway, thank you, Sebastian.
	He's been incredible.
	He's been an incredible voice, a very important voice.
	Who's 6'9"?
	That's Barron Trump of course!
	No, seriously, 6'9".
	That was President Trump on Friday.
	Instead of being here, my favorite place to be with you guys, I had to be at Mar-a-Lago for the Mums for America Gala where I got a little prize.
	But the most exciting prize was hearing the President and getting Eight shoutouts from the boss.
	I'm not going to play the full eight 50-minute speech in which he gave us multiple shoutouts, but it was great to see him.
	He is so on fire.
	He actually shared with us his plan, never before announced, about indemnifying police authorities across America so they can take back arrest control of those Democrats' cesspits and crime havens.
	That we have seen grow under the defund the police movement.
	We'll be playing some more clips from his appearance at the... What is it, Eric?
	The New York Young Republicans?
	Is that right?
	This weekend?
	It was their 111th annual gala of the New York Young Republicans Club.
	He looked very natty in his tuxedo and his black tie.
	We'll share those with you.
	But welcome.
	Happy Monday.
	We have an incredible show for you today.
	The Manhood Hour in the third hour.
	Vivek Ramaswamy, John Solomon and so much more.
	But first, what's it going to be about?
	What's 2024 going to be about?
	A man who failed miserably in his job, only lasted a couple of scaramoochies, only lasted about nine months.
	Why does Kevin McCarthy think that he can lecture us on what it will take to win back America?
	But he thinks he knows, and he goes on CBS to lecture President Trump.
	Let's listen to the failed Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, Cut Eleven.
	This is what I tell President Trump, too.
	What President Trump needs to do in this campaign, it needs to be about rebuilding, restoring, renewing America.
	It can't be about revenge.
	He's talking about retribution, day in, day out.
	He needs to stop that.
	He needs to stop that.
	You think he's going to listen to you saying, stop that, stop that?
	He hasn't listened to anybody before.
	That's not true.
	He will adapt when he gets all the facts.
	What arrogance.
	He will adapt when he gets all the facts.
	Well, did you have the facts when you lost a speaker?
	Jeff, where does Kevin McCarthy get off lecturing the president after he lasted nine months as speaker?
	I think he's really adapting to his new role as a lobbyist, which we know exactly what he's going to be in a couple months.
	You think he's going to get a gig as a CNN contributor?
	I don't think he'll go that way.
	But he'll just be collecting the big bucks behind the scenes as a lobbyist?
	Yeah, and unfortunately I don't think we'll be seeing him very much anymore.
	We will or we won't?
	We won't.
	Oh, okay good.
	On the flip side, there are colleagues of mine Even on this radio network, who give platforms to the likes of Tim Alberta, who isn't a rhino like Kevin McCarthy, but very much cut from the same cloth.
	Tim Alberta was on Hugh Hewitt recently and he peddled his attacks actually against members of our radio team and afterwards went on MSNBC.
	This is what we're really up against.
	Listen to the Atlantic's Tim Alberta and the Left's narrative how they're couching 2024 Cut Eight.
	It's not coincidental, actually, that we hear Trump more and more deploying that very rhetoric on the campaign trail, talking about how he will protect Christians, how he will protect the church, how Christians will have power with him in office.
	And, you know, what began as a transactional relationship, he was going to give them policies they wanted, and they were going to give him their votes, and that was it.
	It's turned into something else.
	And I think even though he's not one of them, I would argue that in some way that is his superpower because he is able to fight fire with fire.
	He's able to sort of cast aside Christian virtue.
	He is unbound from the biblical etiquette that they themselves hold dear and he's willing to fight in ways that no good Christian would.
	And as crazy as that sounds, I think that that is his greatest appeal to these people.
	That one clip.
	I have to rein myself in here.
	That makes me really furious.
	He's unbound by Christian virtue?
	What, like you are?
	The secular, secular, secular, godless left?
	You're the Christians?
	How dare you?
	How dare you?
	Bring judgment against anyone who actually... How about just two things?
	You pathetic excuse of a man.
	How about the fact that President Trump was the only chief executive in 23 years to keep the promise of moving the American embassy to Jerusalem and recognizing that city as the capital of Israel.
	Clinton promised it 23 years prior.
	George Bush broke that promise, and so did Obama.
	But they're the Christians?
	You're the Christian?
	Tim Alberta?
	He's not living by Christian virtue, but you're on the side of 800,000 babies being dissected in the womb and vacuumed out?
	That's the Christian virtue?
	But the man who appointed three Supreme Court Associate Justices, who brought something that I, as a cradle Catholic, thought would never happen in my lifetime, the rescinding, the jettisoning into the garbage, that piece of trash that was Roe v. Wade, and thus already saving the lives of more than 60,000 unborn babies, That man isn't following Christian virtue, but you are with your donations to Planned Parenthood?
	This is a dark, dark time.
	As my friend and my Salem colleague says, whatever the left is accusing you of doing, they are in fact guilty of.
	They are the ones who wouldn't know Christian virtue if it smacked them on the nose.
	They are the ones who deny God, who deny the reality of a risen Jesus.
	They are the ones who are fine with euthanasia, with abortion, and with transgender mutilation of children.
	It's a very simple choice.
	It's not Republican versus Democrat or Trump versus Biden.
	It is truly whatever you think, Kevin McCarthy, the choice between good and evil.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First.
	Next up, Vivek Ramaswamy.
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	Mic's up.
	Alright, mic's on.
	I'm gonna go. It's a little bit longer. Play 10 again for me.
	Ten.
	Certainly what he has tried to do in the past and what he's saying he's going to do in the future go well beyond any conceivable conduct by prior American presidents, no matter how much they were considered.
	Nixon, Richard Nixon, looks like a choir boy next to Donald Trump.
	So, I think it's him saying these things publicly, ironically, I have to say, I hope will be helpful, because I think people should wake up to the reality, and although the polls don't look particularly good on the Republican side, to continue to make efforts to deny him the nomination.
	That's incredible.
	Do you have a title in mind for Sorovich?
	Because I don't think I got it last time.
	What makes a father?
	A real man speaks out.
	And also that bear monologue.
	It's not Biden versus Trump.
	It's not Trump versus Biden.
	It's good versus evil.
	And Lee?
	Um...
	Can we drain the swamp?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	.
	Play Cut 14 again.
	14.
	Make America great again.
	How powerful is that?
	MAGA!
	MAGA!
	I tell that to Biden.
	I say, Joe, when he gets up, we've got to stop the MAGA extremists.
	Yeah, I'm extreme about making America great again, right?
	We're extreme.
	All right, come in with that.
	Then I'll do Angel Trina.
	We'll go to Vivek.
	Are we Skyping him?
	Do I want to do what, Eric?
	I'm gonna play, before I introduce him, I'm gonna do actually Cut 3 again.
	Do I want to do what, Eric?
	You want to play Cut 4 with him? Him vs. Haley?
	I'm going to play, before I introduce him, I'm going to do actually Cut 3 again.
	So come with Cut 14, then Angel Tree, then Cut 3 again.
	Yeah, I'll tee it up. I'll tee it up.
	Do you want the volunteer audio?
	Uh, yes.
	No, actually, no.
	That's too long.
	I don't need it.
	Okay.
	I don't need it.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Make America Great Again.
	How powerful is that?
	MAGA!
	MAGA!
	I tell that to Biden.
	I say, Joe, When he gets up, we've got to stop the MAGA extremists.
	Yeah!
	I'm extreme about making America great again, right?
	We're extreme about it.
	Yeah, I'm a MAGA extremist.
	Are you too, as well?
	I hope so, if you're listening to this show.
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	It probably was the best part of the increasingly irrelevant GOP debates.
	There was one guy who wiped the floor with the rest of them, and I don't mean the man who wasn't there.
	My former boss.
	But who was it?
	I think you know!
	Let's listen to the man who mentions things nobody else has the courage to do on that stage.
	Cut three!
	I think the real enemy is not Donald Trump.
	It's not even Joe Biden.
	It is the deep state that at least Donald Trump attempted to take on.
	And if you want somebody who's going to speak truth to power, then vote for somebody who's going to speak the truth to you.
	Why am I the only person on this stage, at least, who can say that January 6th now does look like it was an inside job?
	He calls out the deep state.
	He says that January 6th is increasingly an inside job based upon the evidence.
	Do we have him on the line?
	I think we do.
	Vivek Ramaswamy!
	Welcome back to America First!
	Good to be on.
	How you been, man?
	Good, good, good, good.
	A little less busy than you, although I was at Mar-a-Lago on Friday.
	But for those of you who like the cut of this man's jib, the website is vivek2024.com.
	You can follow him at Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Vivek, let me just ask you a leading question.
	Why are you the only guy on that platform who's prepared to talk about these issues that clearly matter to Republican voters?
	Because I'm not bought and paid for.
	That's the answer, Sebastian.
	I mean, this is the dirty little secret in politics.
	I come at this from the outside.
	I was a businessman.
	I'm a family man of raising two sons.
	I knew the sport was going to be dirty.
	It is far dirtier than I ever imagined, okay?
	Every one of those people on the stage, every politician basically, dances to the tune of their biggest donor.
	And in my case, that biggest donor is me.
	So I refuse to be somebody else's circus monkey.
	I would frankly rather speak the truth and lose an election than to win by playing some political snakes and ladders.
	Well, that's the opposite of being a rhino.
	You've just defined the anti-rhino.
	As you were talking, Vivek, we played the B-roll of you calling out How Nikki Haley was bankrupt when she left office and now is a multi-millionaire with multiple board positions.
	You know the weirdest thing and I don't want to do psychoanalysis here but you know you're a very successful businessman so I think you know what this means.
	The weirdest thing about that clip Vivek is that she was grinning through all of it.
	Isn't that strange?
	It's beyond bizarre the way she's treated this because Her whole thing is use gender as an identity card to be able, like the left, it's almost like a Kamala Harris move or a Hillary Clinton move.
	Nikki Haley's mastered it better than both.
	Because it works.
	Even on some in the conservative press, it works with them.
	Or the so-called conservative press, it works with them.
	Which is to say that because you're a woman, you're held to a different standard of criticism.
	And so Nikki uses that, and she used that, tried to use that on the debate stage and afterwards.
	But it's even weird that in this era of, you know, women's equality, that Chris Christie had to attack you to defend her?
	Isn't that a bit weird?
	That's right.
	You know, it's beyond bizarre.
	But the interesting thing is, and I want to be really clear with Sebastian, I'm not one of these people who apologizes for somebody who makes money through innovation or ingenuity, through starting their own businesses, so I'll never fault somebody.
	And I've done plenty of that myself, came as the kid, my parents came as immigrants, legally.
	I've gone on to found multi-billion dollar companies, they had no money, I'm proud of that.
	But what I have a problem with is using your government connection to monetize that, she had the gall to call on Donald Trump.
	She joined the Democrats, Nikki Haley did, to join the Democrats in 2016 to call on
	Donald Trump to release his tax returns.
	She did it repeatedly and yet now has not released her own tax returns and she has a military
	contracting firm using her connections from the time at the UN to now make money from going to war.
	And she's grinning the whole time that you're mentioning it.
	I've got two more questions for you.
	I know you're super busy.
	I've got to raise it again because it comes up like a flipping, you know, bad penny.
	Soros grant when you're in college.
	Let's knock that one down and I'll ask you one more question.
	Well, listen, I've answered this one for a long time, but when I'm 24 years old, in 2010, long before people... Look, George Soros, for me, I don't even know if I'd heard of the guy back in 2010, and this was a very different world back then, at the age of 24.
	Some other guy named Soros, who's a relative, funds, partially funds, some scholarship, a generic scholarship that you win.
	My answer and my advice to any kid in this country is if there's a merit-based scholarship and it's helping you get money to pay for school, take it and go.
	And I'm sorry, but other candidates, I just want to be clear on this, who other people might think they support.
	From those who have gotten $160 million loans from George Soros to those who have raised money in this campaign, Ron DeSantis has from investment partners of George Soros.
	I'm not going after these people for that, but come on guys, let's apply the same standard and grow up and be skeptical of what you're doing.
	We're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Follow him at vivekramaswamy and vivek2024.com is the website.
	Last question for you, Vivek.
	The man who looked the most uncomfortable during the last debate was the governor of Florida.
	Why do you think that is?
	Look, I think that he hasn't decided who he actually wants to be.
	On one hand, I think that he has actually good instincts.
	On the other hand, it's tough when you're bought and paid for by donors that effectively prop up a super PAC that's running your campaign.
	This isn't even against Ron, it's against the system, which says that if your entire campaign is being paid for by super PACs, I mean, there was an event, I'm talking from New Hampshire, there's an event I did earlier today, there's a mole that they send, that their super PAC sends to every one of my campaign events to record any gaffe.
	That's paid for by the super PACs, right?
	And that's a corrupt system, and so I think that he is My interpretation is probably a good man who's constrained by a corrupt system in the mega-donor class, and it's sad that it has to work the way that it does.
	I don't know him that well personally yet, but that'd be my interpretation.
	The bad guys are whispering in his ear, and sadly Ron DeSantis is taking the bait.
	Thank you for calling in from New Hampshire.
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	He's good on his feet.
	Oh yeah.
	I'll give him that.
	He does not let up.
	That's what I love about him.
	He what?
	He does not let up.
	He keeps hammering these points.
	He won't let them get away.
	Oh, will you come in with a cruise liner?
	Cruise liner?
	Yes, sir.
	Title for that one.
	And play me... Play me cut four.
	Four.
	Nikki, you were bankrupt when you left the UN.
	After you left the UN, you became a military contractor, you actually started joining service on the board of Boeing, whose back you scratched for a very long time, and then gave foreign multinational speeches like Hillary Clinton is, and now you're a multi-millionaire.
	That math does not add up, it adds up to the fact that you are corrupt.
	Okay, come in with that after the cruise liner, that's so good.
	Alright.
	And title for the deck.
	We just played Cup 14, right?
	Uh, um...
	We played it, yeah.
	For that... Something about the big donors.
	Yeah.
	They're all doing the bidding of their big donors.
	Mm-hmm.
	Donors.
	That's two minutes.
	Whatever happened to, you can put the mics back on.
	Joseph Humire.
	Uh, who is that?
	Joseph Humire, the guy we were gonna get in to talk about Latin America and the immigrants.
	I don't remember.
	I'll look and see.
	I don't remember that name.
	Just look one-on-one.
	In studio.
	What was the last name again?
	Humire.
	H-U-M-I-R-E.
	Joseph.
	He's been on before.
	Oh yeah, I know.
	Huh, okay.
	Cruise liner and then cut four you
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	Nikki, you were bankrupt when you left the UN.
	After you left the UN, you became a military contractor, you actually started joining service on the board of Boeing, whose back you scratched for a very long time, and then gave foreign multinational speeches like Hillary Clinton is, and now you're a multimillionaire.
	That math does not add up.
	It adds up to the fact that you are corrupt.
	You know, I just like it when somebody publicly says, You are corrupt!
	And what is her response?
	She smiles.
	If she weren't corrupt... Alex, if she weren't corrupt, don't you think she'd say something?
	Yeah, it's a little weird that she's smiling during that whole interaction.
	The smiling is weird, and then if somebody said to you, you are a bank robber, you'd probably say, no, I'm not a bank robber.
	But she doesn't respond.
	It's just like, okay, you got me red handed.
	God bless Vivek for at least calling out the corruption on the stage.
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	First up, my gosh, what happened to the call board?
	It just exploded.
	It is full.
	First up, hottest on the dialing of the number 83333 Gawker was Rick from Phoenix.
	Rick, welcome.
	Hello there, Dr. Groka!
	I hope you're having a MAGA-nificent Monday!
	I love that!
	MAGA-nificent indeed!
	What idea, what question do you have for us today, Rick?
	I have a MAGA idea, but first I would like to add the letters A-E to your PhD, because you are always excellent!
	Thank you kindly, sir.
	Thank you kindly.
	Okay, give us your idea.
	So the idea I have, I don't know if you heard, but on Friday or Saturday, TikTok had this global music festival that they put on TikTok.
	And I'm thinking, why can't MAGA, conservatives, why can't we put on a global Well, one very simple reason, Rick.
	that tells the truth to counter all the sick lies that the Democrats and the liberals are
	telling every which way.
	Well, one very simple reason, Rick.
	It's owned by the Communist Party of China.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
	Okay.
	That's like saying, OK, let's have a big MAGRA event on the social media platform owned by the Iranian government.
	It's like, no, we're not doing it.
	So truth social, maybe, Rick, but sorry, TikTok?
	Communist Chinese social media?
	No, thank you.
	Let's go to George in California.
	Good morning, Dr. Gorka.
	Greetings, good afternoon.
	Can I say a couple things really quick before my main point?
	You can have two points, that's it.
	Okay, the first is making movies great, The Outlaw Josie Wales.
	I know it's incredibly popular.
	Just that guy doesn't do anything for me.
	That character doesn't do anything.
	Let me consult my co-host.
	Will you let me do that and I'll get back to you.
	What's your second point?
	And the second quick point is we talked about the Makarov.
	Yeah, the Makarov handgun.
	You know why you're like my Makarov?
	You're solid.
	You're dependable.
	And you're very accurate.
	And I can be used as a hammer when you run out of ammunition, right?
	Exactly.
	Heavy is good.
	Is your Makarov accurate?
	Actually, it was.
	I had to... Because that's not really very common for the Makarov.
	No, ask Brandon Herrera.
	He, you know... Oh, Brandon's biased.
	He likes anything that was made in the Soviet Union.
	And is yours the original 9mm Makarov or 380?
	No, it's a 9x18, yes.
	And yours is actually accurate in a 9x18?
	Yes.
	The guy that was next to me in the booth, he goes, did you shoot that target with a shotgun?
	Because I made a nice small hole with it.
	All right.
	George, just because it's you, I may have to reassess my take on the ugly, heavy Makarov Soviet handgun.
	I'll talk to Brandon.
	Thank you, my friends.
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	Let me check that, yeah.
	I think it is.
	Uh, hold on.
	Oh yeah, I see it.
	Alright, let's do that in the second hour.
	2E.
	And a buddy of mine says, apparently some more CNN polling came in that's very interesting
	on some of the swing states.
	Yes, really good stuff.
	Younger voters break in Trump's favor by 40 to 50 percent in Georgia, 49 to 38 in Michigan.
	It's CNN though.
	I don't know if... That's great news obviously.
	I still can't imagine that actually being true unless that's either like an insane protest vote because they're so mad at Biden or... Well, it could be the whole Israel thing.
	But does it support Trump?
	Because if the young voters are anti-Israel, they turn out to support Trump.
	Yeah, but they don't know anything about his Israel policies, right?
	I guess, but I mean, it's either that or just the economics of their situation is finally becoming too much of a reality for them to deny.
	Could be.
	Yeah.
	Come in with 16, and I'll use that to talk PhD, and then we'll go to cause.
	All right.
	Oh yeah, there's that Israel map, sure.
	All right.
	Sixteen, PhD.
	Oh, it is?
	You got it?
	Okay, we'll use that in the second hour from now on, to ease.
	Okay, yep.
	That guy knew TikTok was Chinese.
	I was gonna say, I'm willing to bet he probably doesn't use TikTok himself.
	I mean, granted, I don't either, but like...
	But still, it sounded like he knew it.
	There's a point to be made.
	Like, again, Vivek makes this point better than anyone else.
	They're like, yeah, we gotta use their battlefield.
	Like, if we're gonna reach young voters, we have to know how to use it, but gotta be smart about it, you know?
	Well, but there's also the principle.
	Are we gonna use a Chinese platform?
	Right, right.
	Or a platform that apparently makes people 17% more anti-semitic every 30 minutes.
	That proves to me that she's actually dumb.
	Anybody who can read out a statistic that says 70% more anti-semitic, you're just not smart.
	She didn't even cite a source!
	But it doesn't matter!
	You can't be 17% more anything mentally, right?
	And no one called her out!
	Nobody called her out on that!
	I'm not going to be able to do that.
	to be endorsing President Trump obviously.
	I've made that very clear.
	Look, Chris Christie has done a terrific job so far.
	I think his being in the race has kept Donald Trump from coming to the debates.
	Because I think Donald Trump recognized if he went to the debate with Chris Christie, Chris Christie would reveal him for what he was.
	And Trump would be badly hurt, so he stayed out.
	But Nikki Haley, she's rising right now.
	I think she's the only one that has a shot at becoming the nominee, other than President Trump.
	Jeff, didn't Mitt Romney say he's not running again?
	Why is he giving interviews?
	I have no idea, because he wants to just pass Trump at any point he can.
	But at least now we know that the reason President Trump isn't debating is because he's afraid of Chris Christie.
	I enjoyed that line, to be honest.
	Talking of Chris Christie, if you're even slightly resembling that blimp, We gotta send him a PhD brochure or something, because that guy is like... I saw the side shot of him at the debate.
	That is, that guy... I don't know how long he's got, but that ticker of his, that's highly stressed.
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	Hey Dr. Borka. Hey. Hey I appreciate you opening up your show with that, I don't know, that
	Elmer Gantry phony baloney Christian I guess he is.
	No, no, no.
	You mean the left wing, the Tim Alberta guy who was saying that if you support Trump, you're not a Christian?
	Yeah, I heard him on Hugh Hewitt.
	Hugh Hewitt loves to give those crackpots a platform.
	I don't know what the world's wrong with him, but, you know, they taught me you don't go around saying people aren't Christian that profess to be Christians like Donald Trump does.
	And, you know, Dr. Gorka, it's like these rhinos like McCarthy.
	They come after him from that angle.
	So now they're sending these clowns to try to To influence Christian people to say, hey, you know, this guy isn't really a Christian.
	He's really against God.
	I think it's disgusting.
	Yeah, look, I was writing a tweet in the break.
	I found this guy's Twitter account, this Tim Alberta, and I said, right, because the party of 800,000 annual abortions and transgender child mutilations, they're the Christians.
	Right.
	We get it.
	We get who you are.
	And we're never going to let you get away with it.
	Thank you, Randy.
	Let's go to Sean, New York City.
	Doctor, it's been ages.
	I've got seven points that I'm hoping that you're going to pass along to the boss.
	I hope that in some way he can put it into his platform.
	I'll give you three.
	OK.
	We absolutely have to replace welfare with workfare.
	Workfare?
	I haven't heard that.
	Did you come up with that?
	I have not.
	I'm not going to take credit for it.
	I like that.
	Workfare.
	That's great.
	We need workfare.
	In order to implement America First, we have to uh... people how to fish rather than writing them a fair
	right right right and one of the big before that
	we have to start reopening vocational schools right after that you know the
	uh... environmentalism studies no no learn how to weld please we need more welders in america
	absolutely ok next point next point uh... we must prosecute the governors and mayors
	of sanctuary states and cities uh... for conspiring to obstruct federal
	immigration law It should be a conspiracy and obstruction of justice charge because they're interfering with our enforcement of federal immigration law.
	I love that.
	Have you heard anybody say that or write about that issue of using the powers that exist, the statutes already, to go after governors and mayors who are facilitating the traffickers?
	Have you seen anybody write about that?
	I'm just curious.
	Not one of the candidates mentions this, and it seems to be so obvious.
	You have to go after the enemy.
	Yeah, I love that.
	All right, we're going to make an exception.
	Sean, you will get a third topic.
	Okay, a third topic.
	Unrelated, but what really galled me during the BLM riots was that they weren't punished.
	What we must do is, if you are acting like an enemy combatant, you must be treated like an enemy combatant.
	They have to take them to Guantanamo Bay, scare the living daylights out of them.
	Yeah, you're confusing a couple of things here.
	So, Guantanamo Bay was for non-U.S.
	against the United States, they should be prosecuted for treason and lose their American
	citizenship.
	Yeah, you're confusing a couple of things here.
	So Guantanamo Bay was for non-US citizens that were enemy combatants.
	So that's the specific reason why we took them to that part of Cuba that was under our
	control because they weren't US citizens.
	citizens.
	But your point is well taken, but they should be processed as U.S.
	citizens through federal institutions on U.S.
	soil.
	Stay on the line, Sean.
	Superb call.
	Let's give Sean one of our books.
	He can choose whichever one.
	Let's go to our buddy, Victor Silver Spring, line three.
	Victor.
	Merry Christmas to you and your staff, first of all, and I also got a MyPillow doggy bed, two of them, for another neighbor.
	You did?
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	They got it the other day, and the Great Dame likes it.
	Oh, that's superb.
	All right, we've got a minute left.
	What would you like to comment on, Victor?
	Okay, I would like to know, would it be possible for Donald Trump to go visit of people in the blue states and in the blue cities such as Chicago because I know that blacks in Chicago are furious about the illegal aliens and it would be great if Donald Trump could go there and talk to the blacks and have a rally there and talk to them.
	Yeah, I don't regularly check in with the campaign because, you know, my lane, Victor, is national security and, you know, what we do here on the show.
	But this is so important, Victor.
	I think Sooner or later it has to happen in the next 11 months,
	hopefully sooner rather than later.
	And I think you're right.
	I may have to check in with my buddies on the campaign and say, hey guys, are you doing
	this because this is important?
	Because if you look at the latest figures, 20 percent, 20 percent of the black population
	are already on President Trump's side.
	There's a reason for that.
	And we have to bring over as many people from the black community, from the Hispanic community,
	who've had it with the Democrat plantation.
	Great call, Victor.
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	It's actually... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, it is.
	It is.
	Right, we've got so many cuts.
	We did Romney 1.
	Both of X. Oh, play me cut 19. 19.
	And we're going to do a job like nobody's been able to do, and we're going to bring law and order back.
	We're going to do something that I will say is slightly controversial, but it shouldn't be.
	We are going to indemnify policemen and precincts and states and cities from being sued.
	We want them to do their job.
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	19 30 seconds
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And we're going to do a job like nobody's been able to do, and we're going to bring law and order back.
	We're going to do something that I will say is slightly controversial, but it shouldn't be.
	We are going to indemnify policemen and precincts and states and cities from being sued.
	We want them to do their job.
	Our police and law enforcement has to come back, and they want to come back, and they want to do their job, and we are going to indemnify them so they don't lose their wife, their family, their pension, and their job.
	We are going to indemnify policemen and law enforcement, and we're going to tell them to get out.
	We love you.
	Do your job.
	President Trump shared that with us on Friday at Mar-a-Lago and then made it official at the New York Young Republicans Gala the day after.
	We just gotta get control of these cities again.
	And he's gonna indemnify those local law enforcement agencies if their mayors, if their governors don't back them up so they can finally do their job.
	It's the brand new item on our website.
	It was... Who came up with... Jeff, did you come up with this?
	I think you did.
	Was this your idea or Randy's?
	This was Randy's, not mine.
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	If you go back to, let's just say, October 5th, if you would have done a poll of kids under the age of 25, they probably wouldn't have even known where Palestine is, what it is, definitely wouldn't know what the Gaza Strip is, definitely wouldn't know this chant of, you know, from the sea to, you know, that's basically calling for the genocide of the Jewish people.
	So how did that happen?
	I think it really happened because of TikTok.
	I think the Chinese run TikTok.
	I think that spread violently all through TikTok.
	And I think that's where a lot of kids all of a sudden became pro-Hamas in this country.
	Not only that, we're going to discuss breaking news with John Solomon, but here's a piece from his superb website justthenews.com from the Foreign Desk staff.
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	John Solomon, happy Monday.
	Hey Sam, good to be with you.
	Happy Monday.
	Alright, so many stories we've said we rehearsed at the break we're going to talk about.
	First from your colleague Natalia Mittelstadt.
	I've got to read the headline because I guess we were told so many times that this just doesn't happen in America.
	At least 5,600 federal-only ballots cast in Arizona 2020 election without US citizenship proof.
	How is that possible?
	Yeah, it's an anomaly of Arizona law.
	First off, federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting, but as we know from the Texas audit a couple years ago by the Secretary of State there, there are illegal aliens who've tried to get on the voter rolls at various times.
	Not many have ever been able to vote, but there's been a growing effort to get it in there.
	Arizona created a state law that says if there's an election where any state officials are on the ballot, then you must check for citizenship before you accept the ballot.
	But some people file only a federal-only ballot, meaning they don't vote downstream.
	In those cases, Arizona doesn't check the federal-only ballots, and so they don't do a citizenship check under the anomaly of the law.
	We wanted to find out what the scope and size of this was.
	It's an anomaly we've known about, but we've never had a tally for it before.
	We went around, contacted all the counties, some places we had to put an open records request in, some places they gave us the information voluntarily.
	5,400 times someone voted federal only in the 2020 election in Arizona.
	They didn't check their citizenship.
	Just an odd oddity, but something that maybe ought to be fixed in Arizona.
	Well, I'm no lawyer, but I would say if the law states you have to be a citizen, if that was not verified, then those are ineligible ballots.
	Well, certainly if they were not citizens, they are ineligible.
	The fact that they didn't check doesn't necessarily negate it.
	That's one of the intricacies of the law.
	But when people say, why do we have so little confidence in the system?
	Just think about this.
	Arizona was checking the local voters' IDs.
	Why not check it for the federal race, too, and give the extra?
	It's just the silliness of these election administrators.
	It's a very simple fix.
	And by the way, we know Democrats are trying to get non-citizens to vote.
	They've tried it in several municipalities.
	This is an area where taking assertive action would probably grow confidence in our elections.
	It's a very simple fix, John, as you say, but only if you want to fix it.
	We're talking to the founder of the Editor-in-Chief, justthenews.com, also every night on RAV, justthenews, not noise.
	It would be remiss of me if I didn't discuss and play a clip for you from the Moby podcast interview with the President's son, because you are the expert on the Russia collusion hoax.
	Very strange statement from Hunter Biden.
	Let's play it.
	Cut one.
	They are trying to, in their most illegitimate way, but rational way, they're trying to destroy a presidency.
	And so it's not about me.
	In their most base way, what they're trying to do is they're trying to kill me, knowing that it will be a pain greater than my father could be able to handle.
	So hang on, you avoid paying taxes for multiple years, you buy a handgun illegally, you pay the consequences, at least you're charged with that, and that means somebody's trying to kill him, John?
	What is this man blathering about?
	Well, listen, when you can't answer the facts, you try to distract with something else.
	And so he's trying to play the victim card, something that Democrats play often in today's modern media world.
	But no one's going to feel sympathetic for a man who collected $7 million over four years, most of it from foreign interests, and did not pay their taxes like you and I did, Seb.
	Instead, according to the indictment, spent it on a lavish or extravagant lifestyle.
	And that included sex clubs and escorts.
	and all sorts of unseemly expenses that most Americans never spend money on.
	He's not going to win the sympathy factor, but in the liberal audiences,
	he's going to play that card because he doesn't have anything else. He can't play
	on the facts, right? He can't say, oh, I got $5 million of help from my friend Kevin Morris. Oh,
	I got a $5 million loan from China. Those things don't engender sympathy.
	So what he's trying to say is, Republicans are pressing me so hard, I might just go and relapse
	on my drug addiction and that will kill me.
	Obviously no one on the Republican side wants Hunter Biden to relapse.
	No one wants anyone to relapse.
	We want people to stay clean.
	This is not about whether Hunter Biden is clean or not on drugs.
	It's about whether he followed the same laws that you and I must follow every day and every other American.
	And on that he can't answer the question because he already told us he didn't.
	Remember, before the plea deal, he said he had made some mistakes.
	Those words are going to be used against him in this trial because he made a spontaneous admission when he thought he was getting that sweetheart plea deal.
	Do you have faith that these California charges are actually real or just an attempt to push things out and to be able to say to Congress, when you're the Attorney General, sorry, I can't discuss an ongoing case?
	Yeah, I never thought that these charges were filed to delay it.
	Because by the way, Hunter Biden already had some felony charges pending against him with the gun crimes.
	So he could easily have pleaded the fifth without all of this extra hardware.
	This carries serious weight, right?
	17 years in prison if he's convicted.
	Three felonies.
	These are very serious tax charges.
	And oh, by the way, the way the indictment is written, this is a very difficult case to be a defense lawyer on.
	The indictment Gives a very strong narrative of a guy who simply didn't care about paying his obligations to Uncle Sam and rather spent it on meaningless, frivolous, or exotic things instead of food and shelter and other things.
	The jury, even in California, is probably not going to be very sympathetic to Hunter Biden because we all pay our taxes.
	We know it's part of our citizenship and responsibility.
	Hunter Biden just didn't oblige to that part of the citizenship.
	Let's look at the other side of the coin.
	A fascinating development with the Jack Smith case against President Trump.
	Talk to us about his move to somehow get the Supreme Court to rule on his case.
	Yeah, he wants to bypass the federal appeals court and get the Supreme Court to go in right away.
	Why is that?
	Because he's on a speedy trial mission.
	Why is that?
	Because the election's around the corner.
	Those who look at Jack Smith and say, this feels partisan, today's events, bypassing the appeals court, bypassing the normal process, going right to the Supreme Court, is going to feed into the narrative that Jack Smith is trying to get this prosecution done because it helps Democrats' elections.
	It's going to feed that narrative.
	Smith's actual motives are, I don't know, he has a history as a prosecutor.
	What is he demanding a ruling on before going through, as everybody else has to do, the first instance, and then the appeals instance, and then the Supreme Court?
	What is he trying to ramrod through the Supreme Court?
	He wants a ruling that Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity for his actions on January 6th, which, by the way, is a very big issue.
	This is an issue that hasn't been resolved in its entirety, and certainly as it relates to an event like January 6th, my guess is the Supreme Court will say, hey, follow the rules.
	Next up is the Federal Appeals Court.
	We want to see where they come down on this, and then eventually we'll take a look at it.
	The Supreme Court won't even have an attempt.
	opportunity to look at it until January 5th. That's their next scheduled
	conference for looking at. Now they could always move it up if they wanted to but
	right now January 5th is the earliest they can look at it.
	If they kick it back to the Appeals Court this issue may not be resolved until
	well after Election Day 2024. Yeah look again caveat I'm no lawyer but this
	idea of trying to undermine an in situ president's immunity, the idea that
	this can be settled easily or rapidly, I don't buy it. We've got 11
	months till the election the idea that somehow this can be ramrodded
	Through all the legal review, I just don't buy it.
	But that's just me.
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	Good, I finally worked it out, so I'll be going to the embassy tomorrow to see the footage.
	So thank you.
	Oh, can we adjust the headroom?
	Can we get a little less headroom?
	Just angle the camera down a little bit.
	All right, let's see here.
	Just a little bit.
	Highly technical.
	That should be enough, that should be enough.
	All right, well I gotta sit down.
	Is that any better?
	No.
	Uh, that's a little better.
	Maybe just the same again?
	All right, I'll, uh... Hold on.
	Oh, we lost you.
	No, no, no.
	Am I here?
	Oh.
	The video has frozen.
	The video's frozen.
	Okay, so what do I do?
	Go to stop video?
	Uh, no.
	We'll dial you back.
	Let's dial him back.
	All right.
	Can you find the...
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	It is my honor to welcome back to America First my former White House colleague, former senior foreign policy advisor to the Vice President, former publisher of the Jerusalem Post, and my friend Tom Rose.
	Happy Monday, Tom!
	Happy Monday to you.
	It's always great to be here.
	Thank you.
	Thanks so much for having me.
	Now, I don't know if like you, you were surprised.
	I think you went to Columbia.
	I spent a year at Harvard and detested it.
	But the fact that Hugh Penn's president was forced to resign over the weekend, here's
	a reminder of what we witnessed last week.
	This is President Gay of Harvard University being raked over the coals judiciously by
	Elise Stefanik.
	Play cut.
	Stefanik, you're recognized for five minutes.
	Dr. Gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard, correct?
	Our commitment to free speech... It's a yes or no question.
	Is that corrected?
	Is that okay for students to call for the mass murder of African Americans at Harvard?
	Is that protected free speech?
	Our commitment to free speech... It's a yes or no question.
	It's a yes or no question.
	She couldn't answer it.
	Now, thanks to our friend Chris Rufo, she is facing charges of actually plagiarizing large portions of her PhD.
	Tom, I don't want to sound too cynical, but this was my response to McGill getting fired and keeping her tenured position, by the way, at UPenn.
	If you think this woman's departure or the firing of all three of them will make a difference to the anti-Semitic You are absolutely correct, as always.
	Everybody knows these schools don't protect speech they disagree with.
	They punish speech they disagree with.
	Your reaction to what we witnessed last week and the developments since then.
	You are absolutely correct as always.
	Everybody knows these schools don't protect speech they disagree with.
	They punish speech they disagree with.
	Not only did Chris Ruffo uncover plagiarism charges for President Gay, but I think more
	relevant than that, she has been president of Harvard for only six months and she presided
	over the ouster of several professors for speech violations that violated this progressive
	orthodoxy.
	Right, so let's be clear here.
	She, she, she.
	persecuted people on the faculty because they didn't sing from the radical left-wing hymn sheet, not because they they were Jew haters.
	No, that's absolutely right.
	Their Title IX instruction manual, training manual, says using the wrong pronouns, misgendering somebody, constitutes a form of harassment.
	There was a A study by the Foundation for Individual Rights that measured free speech on college campuses, there were 248 schools studied.
	Harvard came in 248th, Penn came in 247th.
	My prediction, and I hope I'm wrong, and I'm sure you'll agree with your hope that I'm also wrong, is that these schools are probably going to try to attempt to mollify to the fury by adding Jews to the quote-unquote protected classes of those deemed oppressed.
	I think that would be a totally counterproductive step, a move in the wrong direction.
	That's not going to do anything to change the anti-American, anti-Western, anti-Judeo-Christian ethos that presides over these college campuses.
	We need to root out this DEI nonsense.
	We need to just rip it out, not add to it.
	These are terrible times for the American Academy.
	And just to add to it from justthenews.com, a shocking headline that 20% of young Americans think the Holocaust is a myth.
	It doesn't help when you have Jewish senators who don't seem to be on the side of our closest partner in the Middle East.
	Of course, I'm talking about Bernie Sanders, cut 12.
	Maybe in some of the right-wing extremist minds, there is the goal to drive the Palestinian people off of Gaza completely.
	But they have now destroyed about half of the housing units in Gaza.
	So it's hard to predict.
	But I think when General Austin said, you can win the battle but lose the war, Israel is losing the war in terms of how the world is looking at this situation.
	And I think That it would be irresponsible for the United States to give Netanyahu another $10 billion to continue to wage this awful war.
	More than a hundred hostages still in captivity and Bernie Sanders is not on the side of Israel, Tom Rose.
	He never has been.
	There was one soundbite shortly after the war broke out in which he said he was opposed to a ceasefire because that would mean Hamas would win the war.
	There's There are an element of nutcases and crackpots in every ethnic community.
	We Jews seem to have more than our More than our proportion, more than our share.
	But what's absolutely critical here is to understand the total necessity of an Israeli victory.
	There are reports today coming out in the Israeli media that the White House is now leaking against, and you heard it from Bernie Sanders talking about aid to Netanyahu.
	It's not aid to Netanyahu, it's aid to the state of Israel.
	There's a war cabinet, a national unity government, which would be the equivalent of Democrats and Republicans here today.
	I'm going to have to stop you there, but we have a title for this segment, and I love this phrase, Tom Rose, the total necessity of an Israeli victory.
	That's what we're going to call it when we post it.
	In the meantime, for sagacity about things in the Middle East and the crazy people amongst the Jewish community here, like Bernie Sanders, follow this man at Tom Rose.
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	We'll be back with your calls here.
	833-33-GORKA God bless you.
	I love that.
	Oh, he's gone.
	He's gone.
	Okay.
	That is a good title.
	And title for Solomon as well.
	Okay, hang on.
	Let me just text Tom.
	Yep.
	Hunter Biden plays the victim.
	Mm-hmm.
	.
	Victim.
	Alright.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	J.D.
	Vance apparently endorsed J.R.
	Majewski in Ohio.
	Who's that?
	The guy who ran in Ohio who, like, they said he lied about his service record, but then it came out he actually didn't lie.
	Like, it was a total smear against him.
	He was the nominee.
	He was...
	He did, like, that lawn art, that pro-Trump lawn art.
	Like, that's kind of how he went viral.
	And what did they accuse him of lying of?
	They claimed, like, he exaggerated about where he was deployed, like, in the Middle East.
	Uh-huh.
	But that's not the Green Beret, is it?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	He was never Green Beret.
	He was Army, I think?
	Uh-huh.
	And he's running again for the same seat.
	It's a swinging seat, like, it's a seat Trump won, but it's a Democrat.
	A woman in there who's been in there for, like, 40 years.
	He's running again.
	He's got some competition.
	But why did he drop out?
	Why didn't he say you're lying?
	I don't.
	He admittedly didn't handle it very well, I don't think.
	Yeah, I don't.
	Kinda like the Roy Moore thing, I guess.
	He's the guy that you had me check, you wanted me to check out last week.
	Oh!
	I don't believe him.
	Who pushed him to us?
	Do you remember?
	I think it was Cordy.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think he's a good guy, probably.
	Yeah, but why didn't he fight it then and say, this is BF, why would you drop out?
	Like, I don't get that.
	No, he didn't drop out.
	Oh, he didn't?
	No, he still, he was the nominee.
	I remember when it happened, but... Hang on, is this a California candidate?
	No, this is Ohio.
	Ohio.
	Oh, and Vance is... Vance just endorsed him, yeah.
	District 9.
	Citizens I hate it when people post stuff on Twitter, and you have no context.
	It's like my DOJ source.
	Like, Michael Dreeben, back at it for the United States, his O'Melvie page has been pulled down, and then a photograph of a court filing.
	Like, what the heck?
	What am I supposed to do with this?
	Read the whole court filing.
	But yeah, but on a tweet, you need to know what the thing's about, because nobody's gonna click through.
	Exactly.
	Proper messaging.
	Well, you know, yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	You gotta, you know, package.
	Especially something as thick as a cord.
	Right.
	Who's gonna, you know, unless they know it's really important, you're just not gonna click through.
	That's why someone like TechnoFog or like those guys are important for like deciphering that stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	All right.
	Let's talk about Alex Jones.
	Oh boy, this is gonna be spicy.
	Now, is he back?
	Is he officially back?
	He's back.
	His account wasn't reinstated at the time, and Elon came on to say, like, oh, well, from technical reasons, like, account with a lot of followers, it takes time to be reinstated, but, yeah, he's back on X. Oh, dear.
	Oh, boy.
	30 seconds.
	Coming in with something or no?
	What is this?
	This is C.
	C?
	I'm going to be doing a little bit of a commentary on the game.
	So, I'm going to be playing it on my PC.
	I'm going to be playing it on my Xbox 360.
	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First!
	Can you imagine what would happen if everyone who voted for President Trump just today stopped buying Chinese products?
	Can you imagine the effect that would have on the U.S.
	economy?
	When you pick something up in the store, you flip it around, you look for the maker's mark where it was made.
	And if it's Chinese, you put it back.
	Or if you stop buying garbage made in China, our communist enemy on Amazon.
	I know it's hard to do.
	It just takes a little bit more time and you pay a little bit more.
	But you're paying Americans who are making products here for you.
	Not communist Chinese countries.
	Yeah.
	Let's support one other.
	Let's support Mike Lindell.
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	There was some poll by Elon Musk on Twitter as to whether he should reinstate Alex Jones of Infowars Infamy.
	I think more than 70% of people said yes.
	I was not amongst them.
	I voted no.
	And, um, I do think, Eric, that he... Has Alex Jones been reinstated?
	He is back on his ex-account now, yes.
	Oh dear.
	Alright, do we approve yes or no?
	I think I know, Eric, what you're gonna say.
	Should Alex Jones have come back to Twitter?
	In the name of keeping consistent on Elon's principle of free speech, I say yes.
	Okay.
	Uh, Alex?
	Yeah, if we say we're advocates of free speech, we've got to support it.
	Gi, yes or no?
	Bring back Alex Jones?
	Yes, sir.
	In fact, you know, on Alex Jones' Twitter account, in that cover photo, one of my co-workers actually was on.
	The cover photo what?
	On that cover photo, actually, one of my former co-workers actually was in that photo.
	I wonder if he's gonna get any heat, but are you in favor of it or bringing him back or not?
	Yes, sir.
	I totally agree with... Alright, I am outnumbered already.
	Mr. G, where do you stand on this?
	I'm looking forward to seeing his old tweets so I can look at the hundreds of things that he predicted that did not happen.
	Are those going to repopulate?
	It did with Trump, so it should.
	Oh, that's really good.
	So you're happy that he's back because of all the stuff we can read that was garbage?
	Exactly.
	You know, it's always Alex Jones was right.
	If you predict 5,000 things, a few are going to happen.
	Has our chief engineer got his headset on?
	Yeah, no, I'm down with bringing Alex back on Twitter.
	It's just for the entertainment value.
	Okay, I like that.
	Okay.
	The one issue with all of this is, hey, Elon, you said you wouldn't bring him back because he lied about the children killed at Sandy Hook.
	And in the name of your dead child, you said, I'm not bringing him back.
	So what changed?
	I'm confused.
	Let's go to Joe, Illinois, line two.
	Dr. G. Yeah.
	Yeah.
	On January 6th, President Trump was still the president.
	Yeah, he had two more weeks in office, correct.
	He was still covered by executive privilege.
	Well, you know, executive immunity, not just executive privilege, executive immunity, anything that he did whilst he was president.
	So how is it that these courts can go after him?
	When he was covered by executive privilege.
	How is it that the FBI can surveil parents who go to school board meetings and write memos out of the Richmond field office calling you a domestic terrorist threat if you go to Catholic mass in Latin, Joe?
	Copy that one.
	Got it.
	My second comment is Congresswoman Stefanik is one tough chick.
	That's all I gotta say.
	Yeah, when I saw what she achieved in Congress and the fact that the president of UPenn resigned, I texted her this morning and I said, you gotta come on the show!
	And she's promised to come on the show this week.
	So I agree with you, Joe, when it comes to holding the feet to the fire of these Jew haters in the Ivy League, we've got to give her a round of applause.
	Thank you, Joe.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	You thought you were safe after Obama left office, right?
	The disasters of Obamacare would not grow, and they wouldn't take over more control of your healthcare.
	Well, you're wrong.
	Or you might be.
	If the radical from Vermont gets his way, if Bernie Sanders manages to pass the Senate Bill 1339, then the price of the drugs you need to stay healthy could skyrocket.
	How?
	Well, let's listen to the man who knows.
	From the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste, he is their president, Thomas Schatz.
	Mr. Schatz, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you very much.
	So this bill targets this intermediate layer that most people may not be familiar with because, you know, they know their doctor, they get the prescription, and then they go to their pharmacy.
	But in between all of that are the pharmacy benefit managers.
	Explain how this bill targets them and how the alleged, what is it they're saying, this would lower the cost of your drugs is in fact a lie.
	Well, first of all, what has the federal government ever done to lower the cost of your drugs?
	Let's start there.
	There is actually one thing, Medicare Part D, but you know what?
	That's run by the private sector and it's working really well and it's very popular.
	So, and even there, they're going to mess it up.
	But in this case, the pharmacy benefit managers are negotiators that work in essentially large groups of employers, insurers, And pharmacies to bring prices down like a Costco would negotiate in bulk, essentially.
	And it saves the process that the PBMs go through.
	These private sector voluntary negotiations save an average of $1040 per year.
	thousand and forty dollars per year. There are two hundred and seventy five million Americans that benefit from these
	PBM negotiated agreements. And any time the government wants to
	get in the middle of something like that and change how it works
	you know the prices are going to go up.
	So hang on, this is a really important explication.
	So this is a private sector function of people who are negotiating in bulk.
	So like the economies of scale to get better prices for us, the end user, the patient.
	Absolutely.
	If you've got a small single pharmacy or a single employer with 10 people, they're not going to be able to get the same pricing as large groups would be able to do.
	That's why unions and even governments use them, federal agencies use them.
	And there was a study from a single agency in the Department of Labor that came out earlier this year that showed that by not using a PBM, That agency spent $323 million more than it should have over six years, and in fact prescribed drugs like fentanyl, apparently, that never should have been prescribed.
	So they kind of figured out they needed one, and they now finally added one in.
	But that's good evidence.
	Give us that figure again.
	So one government agency in the Department of Labor said, we don't need these things Bernie's attacking, the pharmacy benefit managers.
	And how much did it cost them to cut these people out?
	$323 million over six years.
	That's not even a small change in Washington.
	Well, maybe it is in Washington, but for taxpayers it's not.
	All right, so I hear that there are even Republicans who are co-sponsoring Bernie's bill.
	Is that true, and how is that possible, Mr. Schatz?
	It's true, because they are thinking that by, quote-unquote, demanding more transparency, demanding more information, Changing how the system works, they're going to save money.
	But you know what?
	The Congressional Budget Office hasn't even determined whether or how it might save money.
	And in Ohio, where they eliminated what's called spread pricing, that is part of the negotiations with the pharmacy benefit managers.
	Again, you don't have to do it if you don't want to.
	It cost the state of Ohio $38 million in their Medicaid program when they eliminated spread pricing.
	So it's a complex process, but it works.
	And any time the government gets in the middle of something like that, it just makes it worse and more expensive.
	We're talking to the president of the Citizens Against Government Waste, Thomas Schatz.
	The website, if you don't want Bernie to take control of your prescription prices, is lowermydrugprices.com.
	You need to let your voice be heard.
	That's lowermydrugprices.com.
	What is the status right now of Senate Bill 1339?
	Is it too late?
	Do we have a shot?
	What are the chances like?
	Well, it passed out of the committee with some Republican support.
	Not all of them.
	Senators Romney and Paul were very vocally opposed to the legislation.
	And it could be on the floor of the Senate any time.
	But given that we thought that would occur in August and we started our Large campaign and has been very successful in stopping it so far.
	That's why we've kind of brought it back to say, look, do not do this before the end of the year or in any year.
	Don't add it on to any spending bill that might be coming up.
	These supplemental bills, even though they're fighting over Israel and Ukraine and the border, those are must pass bills and you never know what's going to be added.
	So we're vigilant about it and we need people to keep supporting what we're doing so that they don't lose the benefits that they have.
	So there is hope right now if listeners go to lowermydrugprices.com?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	You don't want a lump of coal and higher drug prices in your Christmas stocking, so you should help.
	You don't want a lump of coal, and you don't want more expensive prescription drugs.
	Please follow this man at Thomas A. Schatz, and more important than that, go right now, let your voice be heard, to www.lowermydrugprices.com.
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	Thank you, Mr. Schatz.
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	Yeah, yeah.
	I make the links shareable and downloadable.
	And then, yep.
	Send them on their way.
	I think I proved that last week, Jeff.
	If they didn't get it, just tell them yes.
	Okay, alright.
	You can block.
	I gotta leave right when the show's over, so can you send me the cuts?
	I gotta go to a concert at my kid's school.
	What do you want to do with the cuts?
	Just send them to me or whatever.
	Okay, I'll send you a photograph.
	What's the concert, Jeff?
	I don't know, some Christmas concert.
	Aww.
	Alright, we gotta do a bit of Fauci.
	Oh, we didn't do Bolton, oh my gosh.
	Oh, which one?
	Which is the bigger lolcow?
	The bigger what?
	Lolcow, it's an internet term.
	Lolcow?
	Lolcow.
	I think Fauci thing's more ridiculous.
	Well, Fauci's ridiculous.
	And there's multiple Bolton cuts, so I mean... Yeah, I think we'll try and do Fauci and Cut10 as well.
	Fauci and Cut10.
	Come in with ten.
	Come in with ten.
	And then you've got the new t-shirt, right?
	Yeah, the map.
	Yeah.
	Okay, good.
	Coming with 10 and then map.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Certainly what he has tried to do in the past and what he's saying he's going to do in the future go well beyond any conceivable conduct by prior American presidents, no matter how much they were considered.
	Nixon, Richard Nixon, looks like a choir boy next to Donald Trump.
	So I think it's him saying these things publicly.
	Ironically, I have to say I hope will be helpful because I think people should wake up to the reality, and although the polls don't look particularly good on the Republican side, to continue to make efforts to deny him the nomination.
	Hang on.
	Eric, was that John Bolton?
	That was indeed Jonathan Bolton.
	And he just said, Republicans should deny President Trump the nomination?
	Why doesn't he try to do that himself?
	I thought he was gonna run.
	Well, he did announce that on British television, didn't he?
	Yeah, where's he been?
	Is he not qualified for any of the debates?
	But I'm confused.
	I thought the people decide who the nominee is.
	I mean, last I checked, yeah, that was the case, but... Or is it just people with weird mustaches?
	People with weird mustaches and the big donors, I guess.
	Oh, yeah.
	And by the way, I forgot.
	What... What was Bolton's last real job?
	I think he worked for a guy named President Trump.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me just put this together.
	So, the former National Security Advisor to President Trump doesn't want him to be the nominee for President again?
	Again, why didn't he voice these kinds of concerns when he was in the White House?
	You would think that would be the best time to do it.
	It's so weird.
	Did somebody put a gun to his head and say, YOU WILL BE THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR!
	Was he forced?
	Someone made him an offer he can't refuse I guess.
	So confused.
	Unless, of course, he's a scumbag.
	But is there a bigger scumbag?
	I think we know one.
	He is Anthony Fauci, who is science.
	Remember when he said, I am science.
	I am Dali.
	Well, now I think he thinks he's God as well.
	Puff Piece Interview asked about his Catholic faith.
	You won't believe what he said.
	Cut six.
	There's Dahlgren Chapel where Chris and I were married.
	That's where you were married, right?
	Yeah.
	It's beautiful.
	Yeah, it's really nice.
	Do you still go there?
	No.
	You don't practice anymore, do you?
	No, I don't.
	Why?
	A number of complicated reasons.
	Go on, we have a whole corridor.
	First of all, I think my own personal ethics on life are, I think, enough to keep me going on the right path.
	And I think that there are enough negative aspects about the organizational church.
	that you're very well aware of. I'm not against it. I identify myself as a Catholic. I was
	raised, I was baptized, I was confirmed, I was married in the church, my children were baptized
	in the church. But as far as practicing it, it seems almost like a pro forma thing that I don't
	really need to do. I love that music at the end. I don't need that morality. Did you hear?
	Because I'm God.
	I'm Saint Fauci.
	Why would I need God?
	I am God!
	I am science, don't you understand?
	Next up... God, these people make me sick.
	The Manhood Hour.
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	You Welcome dear friends to the Manhood Hour.
	Today we're going to do something a little bit differently because we've got one of our few repeat guests.
	Why?
	Well, because of the answer to a very vexing question.
	We created this hour every week because it is indisputable that there is a war on the classic values of masculinity and what it means to be a man and As such, we have to answer the question, what are we going to do about it?
	Are we just going to listen to one hour of radio or a video podcast every week?
	Or are we going to do something about it?
	Our guest for today is an unusual example of somebody who He's not a philosopher.
	He's not a politician.
	He's not an author.
	He's not paid to comment.
	But he decided to stand up, to be heard, and to push back.
	A couple of years ago, there was a completely obnoxious advertisement from the massive company that is Gillette that was an assault on just men in general.
	Our good friend Chris Coles did a fabulous parody on his site Mr. Reagan.
	Somebody else decided to do a serious response to that Frontal attack on everything we hold sacred in what it means to be a man.
	And I'm just going to play the whole thing right now because the perfect introduction for our return guest.
	Play video.
	What is a man?
	Is a man brave?
	Is a man a hero?
	Is a man...
	Is a man a protector?
	Is a man...
	vulnerable?
	Is a man...
	a protector?
	you Is a man disposable?
	Is a man broken?
	Is a man broken?
	Is a man trying?
	we see the good in men.
	If you watch the whole video you'll be mildly discombobulated at the end
	because you'll have listened to those questions, read the
	statistics that I'll give you right now
	and then you'll see a sign at the end, Eggard watches, and you'll go
	Hang on a second.
	Nobody sold me a watch there.
	What's going on?
	Well, it's because of the man who made that video.
	He's been on this show several times, and he's an example of what we all need to do.
	The founder, the CEO of Eggard Watches, Ilan Sarulovic.
	Welcome back to the Manhood Hour.
	Thank you.
	I'm always happy to be on here.
	So, Ilan, for those who are listening on radio and not watching the video, I just want to read the shocking statistics that you included in that video visually.
	It starts off with 93% of all workplace fatalities are men.
	97% of all fatalities in war are men.
	79% of homeless single individuals are men.
	Amen. 79% of homeless single individuals are men and then we have 80% of all suicides. Amen.
	And 79% of homicide victims are men.
	These aren't statistics from Breitbart or Salem.
	These are from, you know, left-wing organizations or official NGOs, the World Health Organization, so on and so forth.
	Let me, before we talk about who you are, remind people of, you know, what you do today, I have to ask you, Why did you feel compelled?
	You're not at a conservative think tank.
	You're not a politician.
	Why did Ilan Surilovich make that video?
	I think I got to a point where, honestly, it was the Gillette video was the straw that broke the camel's back.
	But I'd seen this rhetoric going on for a long time, just vilifying men.
	And, you know, the end result was already starting to display itself at that time.
	It's gotten worse since then.
	But we saw the decay of masculinity.
	We saw the decay of fatherhood.
	And it's just having a tremendous, tremendous impact on society.
	And so if people don't start speaking up, whether it's me, whether it's someone else, we're just going to keep going down that road.
	So I figured I have this philosophy.
	If one person opens the door for other people to walk through it, then it becomes easier for every subsequent person.
	And I figured if no one's willing to put out an ad right now, toxic masculinity is the standardized kind of motto going out to the world.
	Then someone has to counter it.
	No one's doing it.
	So I'm just going to do it.
	And the reason I use my watch platform is because it's my biggest platform.
	My company is something I've spent years building.
	We had a good following.
	And I knew that people would see it if I put it through my company, not just as an individual.
	Because Gillette did the ad as a company.
	It had to be responded to from a company.
	Okay, so I'm very curious because I'm not really a businessman.
	I'm just a guy in front of a microphone and a TV camera.
	I'm a national security wonk, a former professor.
	So I'd like you to walk us through, and the millions of people listening and watching, Because this is unusual.
	This is really quite shocking.
	That somebody is really, you know, in today's cancel culture, risking everything.
	When you see the woman who was just about to become the CEO of Levi Strauss, you know, the jean company, say, hang on a second, women should not be competing against men in sports who are pretending to be women.
	And then she gets fired.
	Can you break down in minute detail how you made this decision?
	Because you're a successful guy.
	You come from Hollywood.
	In a kind of tribute to your father, you create this watch company making beautiful watches.
	I own several of them.
	And then you see the assault on Manhood.
	It's not part of your day job.
	How do you decide that I'm going to risk whether anybody else is going to cancel my company or buy my watches and say, damn it.
	I'm going to make this video.
	How, how, how did you make that decision, Ilan?
	Well, I'm not going to lie.
	I was, I was scared to do it.
	I thought it could destroy my company.
	There's definitely an element of fear there.
	We're fed this narrative over and over and over that your life will be ruined.
	If you do this, your life will be ruined.
	If you say this, And so we've learned to self-censor and I got to a point, I'm the type of person who will not self-censor.
	I don't believe that fear should be a deterrent to do something.
	Fear is often an indication that you should look at the thing you're scared of and see if you should face it.
	And so we've really done that.
	We've inverted the virtues that have historically made us great.
	We've inverted things like courage and we've put it at the bottom of the list and put safety or self-protection at the top of the list.
	Those are not virtues.
	Fortitude is a virtue.
	Courage is a virtue.
	Standing in the face of adversity.
	And so I sat there, I said, what kind of person do I want to be?
	I made this company for my father.
	He's the thing I cherish most.
	And in honor of everything he's sacrificed for me over the years, am I going to sit here and self-censor?
	Am I going to use the thing I built for him for the thing that we both believe in, which is standing up for truth?
	And so I honestly, for me, it wasn't a decision.
	I just felt super compelled to do it.
	I couldn't.
	I was arguing with people.
	I was just doing weird things that were wasting my time.
	I said, this is my biggest platform.
	I have to start speaking truth into my biggest platform.
	All right, well, I want to know what the response has been, what the consequences have been for you.
	We are talking with Ilan Surilovich.
	He is the founder, the CEO of the superb company, Agard Watches, agardwatches.com.
	You are listening to the Manhood Hour with me, Sebastian Gorka.
	I have to ask, you've done several videos like this.
	We're going to show one more amazing one about becoming a father.
	What's been the response?
	Has it negatively affected your business?
	Has it affected your friendships?
	I'm just curious.
	You're standing for the truth and pushing back on this assault on masculinity.
	How has it changed things for you, Elan?
	So I've seen a tremendously positive response.
	I mean, sure, there's haters out there.
	But the truth is, if you don't feed the trolls, then they just disappear over time.
	And they'll try and do whatever they can do.
	But the reality is that there's a majority of people who feel the same way as we do.
	They're just not comfortable speaking up.
	And so when you speak up for them, they'll reach out and they'll support you.
	And it's been tremendously positive.
	Has it cost me some friends along the way?
	Sure, but those people were probably never my friend to begin with, because if they can't have a basic dialogue anymore, then they're not someone I need in my life.
	And so, I mean, that's just a sign of the times that our ability to have conversations has devolved to that point.
	But again, tremendously positive response, not just from men, but from countless women, mothers, wives.
	Well, I'm curious, what are they saying to you?
	Because I had this fascinating discussion with my son at the weekend in front of his girlfriend.
	And we were talking about exactly this issue and we said, how do we expand upon this manhood hour?
	I want to have a Twitter space with young men and talk about what's happening to them.
	And you know what my son said?
	He said, Dad, why are you only going to talk to men?
	You can't solve this if you're not talking to the women at the same time.
	And I was kind of like gobsmacked.
	And then I thought about it for a moment.
	I said, you know what?
	You're right.
	Because if I only talk to men, then I'm kind of Adding to the tension, right?
	We're kind of splitting people off.
	We're not coming together.
	So I'm curious, what were the women saying to you who reacted to your video and your stance?
	Yeah, almost equal numbers to the men who reached out.
	In fact, it might have been equal numbers in terms of the people who actually emailed us and the people who commented.
	Just like I said, mothers, wives who see the sacrifices that their husbands have made, their fathers have made, they worry about the future for their children, for their young boys.
	And so there's a tremendous amount of support.
	I've always said this.
	There shouldn't be some kind of competition on suffering.
	This isn't meant to be a competition.
	This is meant for us to lift each other up.
	It's the same reason I'll speak out for women.
	And I want them to speak out for us.
	It should be a collaboration.
	We should be trying to make everything better for everyone.
	It's just an odd dynamic that they've tried to pitch this.
	You know, if you look at the left and the way they play identity politics, they pitched it as a competition.
	It's us versus them.
	It really isn't.
	There's tremendous support.
	Will you say a little bit about, we talked about it the first time you came on, but that was a long time ago.
	Talk about, I mean, I'm a watch geek.
	My dad was into quality watches.
	He had this beautiful Anycar, a Superdiver that kind of shaped my love of work watches, or what do they call them, tool watches.
	Why did you, an actor, A producer decide you're going to honor your father by making watches.
	Would you explain that dynamic?
	I love it.
	Sure.
	Well, I always loved the idea that you wear a watch with you wherever you go.
	You could get someone a car even, which is far more expensive, but they're going to get out of the car when they get to the destination.
	They're going to a watch.
	It's something you can wear to every major event in your life.
	It'll be a part of you.
	Kind of like it adopts your soul a little bit over time.
	And then you pass it down to people you care about or pass it up to people you care about.
	And in this case, I'd been actually looking for a watch from my father for a long time.
	I wanted to get him something really special because I'd been through a really rough childhood.
	In numerous ways, I had health issues, I went through a rough phase, and my dad just always stood by me.
	He's the perfect example of everything that should be highlighted about masculinity.
	He's a real inspiration.
	Was he a watch guy or were you trying to make him a watch guy?
	So why?
	Well, he liked watches.
	He was never into like soup.
	He always liked unique watches and they were always super expensive.
	And so even till today, one of the main things he says is don't just make another watch, make a watch that's for us, make something that's unique.
	And I often make these crazy designs, but they're the things my dad likes.
	And so we make watches we want to wear.
	There's a passion behind it.
	That's why they look so different.
	That's why there's not many other companies making watches that look like my watches.
	I hate it or love it.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, yeah.
	So that that's the dynamic behind the brand.
	It's really just about the relationship and bond between my father and I. And there's this there's a sad element here, too.
	So I've always been a little bit obsessed with the idea of being limited.
	The fact that one day I'll die, the people I love will die.
	And when I was 10 years old, I was laying in bed crying and my dad came into the room.
	He said, why are you crying?
	And I said, because I know one day you'll be gone.
	And he's like, you have plenty years before that happens.
	And then when he was turning 65, that was kind of like a snapback to that moment of being a kid.
	I was like, my dad's getting older.
	You know, how many more wonderful years do I have with my father?
	And so that was the inspiration behind it.
	I wanted to mark how special our relationship is.
	I wanted something that would be eternal, something that we could keep passing down.
	And so that's really the inspiration behind the brand.
	It's a beautiful, beautiful idea.
	It's a beautiful tribute.
	Some of the most precious things I have are the things my father treasured.
	His watch, his pen collection, a little crucifix he carved when he was in prison in communist Hungary.
	These things matter.
	Please, check it out right now.
	Go to eggardwatches.com.
	This is the manhood hour, but maybe you can pay tribute to Your father, a loved one.
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	Now, Ilan, you're always surprising me.
	You're always coming up with new aspects about yourself that I want to applaud.
	Recently, you've gone beyond standing up for manhood and making amazing watches.
	I didn't even know you were Jewish.
	You came out and very vocally talked about what's happened in the last seven weeks in the Middle East and more disturbingly what's happening here in America.
	In analyzing what it means to be a man I found one of the most important aspects or characteristics is the idea that it is our duty to protect the vulnerable.
	As Jordan Peterson says, all men have to be dangerous.
	You have to be dangerous.
	You have to know how to control it, but there are times when you have to be able to use it, most importantly, to protect the vulnerable.
	I mean, my instinct after that was actually to go to Israel and fight, if anything.
	I'm just not able to.
	My cousins actually are in Israel.
	Some of them had to go into Gaza.
	What made you suddenly start talking out about that as well?
	I mean my instinct after that was actually to go to Israel and fight, if anything.
	I'm just not able to.
	My cousins actually are in Israel.
	Some of them had to go into Gaza.
	And so I said I need to do something to help make a difference.
	And they told me, so I was going to go fight and then I was going to go volunteer.
	I'm a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
	I've taught knife fighting.
	I've taught people in the military.
	I've taught law enforcement.
	I'm a great martial artist.
	So I thought maybe I'll go there.
	I'll run some seminars.
	And they said, no, make content.
	The world needs content right now because this is a propaganda war just as much as it is a ground war.
	And we've learned that.
	We've really learned that in this war, just how much propaganda is actually going around.
	And so that was my way of contributing.
	I treated it as if it was my job, as if I had been enlisted in the military and they said, this is your job now to make videos every day.
	That's your fight.
	And so I treated it as my fight.
	But you're absolutely right that men need to be capable, men need to be strong, and we need to be willing to put it on the line when it matters.
	You know, I just found out I'm like 6% Jewish a couple of months ago.
	I knew antisemitism is rife amongst the idiot classes, the chattering classes, the millennials.
	As somebody who's proud of his Jewish heritage, How horrified are you when we saw last week the president of UPenn, of Harvard, of MIT, incapable in front of Congress under sworn testimony to say, calling for the genocide of the Jews on our campus, we're not going to stop that.
	Are you surprised?
	I wish I was surprised.
	I mean, part of me is surprised, but I really believe we're in the twilight zone at this point.
	There is.
	And you know what?
	I hate to say it, but the liberal Jews have contributed to the situation we're in by supporting these organizations so heavily for so many years.
	And the truth is, we as Jews need to take it upon ourselves to support the people who support us.
	That's just the reality.
	And we've allowed things to get to this point.
	Because we saw it with Black Lives Matter.
	We saw it with different groups along the way, just how much hatred there was in leftist organizations toward Jews.
	And there wasn't enough vocal outrage against it.
	We didn't stand our ground.
	And so am I surprised that we're here?
	There's tremendous, tremendous anti-Semitism in the left.
	I've been saying it for years.
	I don't know how people didn't realize it.
	It was so in your face, so blatantly obvious.
	And now they're just so empowered that they're coming out and saying it.
	They're saying it in the most brutal, honest ways.
	But it's been there.
	It's been seething.
	You saw it in every single event that they had an opportunity to put down Jews.
	They've continued to do so for decades now.
	I think people are waking up.
	I really do.
	I think when you see guys like Mike Rappaport, who is historically a leftist Jew, come out and say he's going to vote for Trump.
	You see Amy Schumer talking about how she's done with the left and everything that they're preaching.
	I mean, there's a tremendous response.
	Deborah Messing is very vocal right now.
	There's a lot of people who are in Hollywood, not just left-leaning Jews.
	These are Hollywood Jews, which are the most left-leaning, the most scared to speak up about these things, are very vocal right now.
	And again, if I could give any message to Jews, it's not just to be aware of who you're against, but to be aware of who supports you.
	There's tremendous support from the Christian community and we don't say thank you enough.
	So thank you to anyone watching from the Christian community who's been standing up for us and putting themselves on the line for us too.
	It means the world.
	That's a great message.
	We're talking to the founder, the CEO of Eggard Watches.
	This is the Manhood Hour, coming to you from the relieffactor.com studios.
	We could make this show just a collection of some of the content that our guest has provided for us in recent years, but that would be a little bit weird because it's a conversation.
	We love the long form.
	Here's one more clip from our guest, Ilan Surilovich, on what matters in life.
	But the moment I saw you for the first time... I knew.
	I knew it was game over.
	I would love you forever.
	I knew I would stand by your side no matter what.
	I knew that I would give up everything to make your life better.
	I knew that every moment of pain for you It would be a moment of pain for me.
	I knew I would be your guide.
	Your example.
	Your standard in this world for what it means to be a man.
	See, but what I didn't know was just how much this world would test us.
	I didn't know how strong you were.
	I didn't know how I needed you.
	Just as much as you needed me.
	I didn't know how much better you would make me.
	The good.
	The bad.
	There's nothing I would change if it meant you weren't my son.
	And all I want in this world is for a piece of me to carry on with you.
	Thank you, Ilan, for making that and for all of your videos.
	It's a very, very important thing.
	It seems maybe obvious, but I think we have to say it.
	How many of the plagues that we suffer from as a society, as a civilization, whether it's crime, whether it's suicide, whether it's depression, how many of them would almost fully melt away If the role of the father and intact family households were venerated and celebrated once more?
	Yeah, it would make a tremendous difference.
	And we know that.
	We know that based on statistics.
	We've seen it.
	We've seen how since the rate of fatherhood in virtually every community has declined tremendously.
	It went from the 60s to now, I believe, in the black community.
	It went from 25% fatherless homes to 70, 75% in the white community.
	It went from 5% to 25%, just climbing tremendously in that community.
	So it's not a race-specific thing.
	It's not a culture-specific thing.
	It's an issue in our society right now where we're not celebrating fatherhood.
	We're not giving men the opportunity to look up to being fathers.
	And it's created this massive decay, which is resulting in higher criminality, our suicide rates.
	higher rates of depression, healthy masculinity. There's not enough masculinity in homes. That's
	the irony here. People always say, you know, masculinity is bad. There's too much. No,
	there's not enough. That's proven. That's proven based on scientific studies.
	So we discussed why you created your company and how it was a testament or a tribute to your father.
	I want to ask you, you said you had a tough childhood, he stood by you at all times.
	I'd love to ask our guests on the Manhood Hour, give us some of the adjectives, the descriptors of the values he had that you think are non-negotiable for fathers today.
	Or just for real men.
	The virtues that have been around for eternity.
	The archetype male virtues are exactly what my father had.
	He was strong.
	He was a provider.
	He stood by me.
	But he never let me feel bad for myself.
	I know these aren't adjectives.
	I'm kind of just ranting.
	No, no, no.
	It's good.
	Tremendously courageous, my dad.
	And you know what he had most of all, has most of all, he's not gone, but he has most of all, is that he's selfless.
	He's truly selfless in the most healthy way, because he won't compromise himself, he won't be weak, but he will give instead of taking.
	And so that's a tremendous, tremendous thing to see in someone growing up.
	And it helps your heart when you see that, as an example.
	That one sentence is so packed.
	Because you said, tremendously selfless, but not in a way that undermines him or makes him look weak.
	Could you expand on that?
	Because that really is the fine line.
	Because you want to serve others, but you don't want to be, we say in Hungarian, a popuc.
	You don't want to be a slipper.
	You don't want to be something that people, you know, a doormat people walk over.
	So isn't that the real key, getting that balance right?
	I would almost say that sometimes being truly selfless has nothing to do with tolerance.
	It has nothing to do with compromising your values.
	It's the opposite.
	It's standing up to your values in the highest way possible, even when it means sacrificing things.
	That's what being selfless is.
	So if you have to hurt somebody's relationship with you because you're doing the right thing, I mean, that's the example.
	That's where I learned it.
	That's why I'm able to do these videos.
	I'm not saying I'm selfless in doing these videos, but my dad truly does encapsulate that.
	And so, yeah, it's not weakness.
	It's standing up to your values in the highest way possible, even when it means giving something up for yourself.
	That's true selflessness.
	Are you long or short on our society when you look at what they've done?
	You're absolutely right.
	Let's look at the black population.
	20% of children were born out of wedlock 70 years ago.
	Now it's 70% that are born out of wedlock.
	Are you optimistic, Elan, or pessimistic?
	You know, it's a tough question.
	I think that if we don't start speaking up, we're at a breaking point.
	We have to ask ourselves why these narratives are pushed so strongly into society.
	That's the real question.
	Why do people want to divide us?
	Why do they want to put fear?
	Why do they want to decay masculinity?
	Why do they want to get rid of gender?
	I mean, there are actual psychogenic epidemics.
	This is something I've been researching going on in society.
	The question is why?
	Why are they doing this?
	So am I optimistic?
	Yeah, because I believe the human spirit.
	I believe the American spirit.
	is truly unbreakable.
	And so I know that we will come together and we will beat the kind of narratives we see happening now.
	But it will require us speaking up.
	It will require sacrifice.
	So I hope we get to that point before it gets too bad.
	That's an amazingly important point.
	These psychogenic pandemics, for example, the 4,000 increase in transgender identification amongst children.
	Miriam Grossman, who we've had on the show several times, is a superb expert on that issue.
	Lost in Transnation is her recent book.
	We're talking to Ilan Surlovich, Eggard Watches, eggardwatches.com.
	Follow him at Surlovich on social media, that's at S-R-U-L-O-V-I-C-Z.
	You're the perfect guest because you have a foot in so many different camps, Ilan, because we can talk about... We didn't even talk about it.
	We didn't talk about your life in Hollywood, but we could have done that.
	We can talk about watches, we can talk about manhood, we can talk about your Jewish heritage.
	That is rather unusual.
	That is a renaissance guest if ever we had one.
	We've only got a couple of minutes left.
	I like to kind of call out my guests to give a message to others in the last couple of minutes.
	of the show.
	As somebody who's come out proudly concerning his Jewish heritage after what we witnessed in the Middle East, literally the slaughter of the innocents, the biggest death toll of Jews since the Shoah, since the Holocaust, would you send a message right now?
	We've got three and a half million people listening on radio alone all over the country from California to Texas to New York, you name it.
	What message would you send to those people you mentioned earlier?
	The secular Jews of America who may have been on the wrong side for the last 20, 30, 40 years when it comes to Israel.
	What would you say to them, Ilan?
	I would say very much what I've been trying to tell them for years is to look at the people who are speaking against them and to look at the people who are speaking up for them and to really start using whatever power they have to start supporting the groups that support them and to start boycotting the groups that don't, because that's
	exactly what they've been doing to us. And it's a very powerful tool. And to really wake up
	to the narratives that are going on in the world. Don't ignore them. When people show you
	who they are, believe them. That's the most important quote I've ever heard in my life. It's more
	relevant now than ever before. So I really hope Jews listening are able to put their kind of
	political loyalty aside and say, this is something bigger than that.
	Yeah.
	And again, not be scared to speak up.
	So many Jews are scared to speak up nowadays.
	So I would tell them you can speak up.
	You'll be okay.
	You have to don't hide who you are.
	and don't be ashamed of it.
	I think it was Simon Wiesenthal, the great Nazi hunter, but others have said it.
	When a group of people repeatedly say they want to kill you, sooner or later you should take them seriously.
	If you understand what Ilan is talking about, if you stand with the most philo-Semitic president
	since the re-establishment of Israel, God bless you, have made this the most popular item on our
	It is the iconic photograph of President Trump at the Temple Wall in Jerusalem.
	The only president to ever go there as president.
	We put it on a t-shirt, on a mug, with a very simple phrase in English and Hebrew.
	Our fight.
	Why?
	Because it is our fight.
	We are a Judeo-Christian civilization and there are those who wish to destroy us and Hamas are amongst them.
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	It's a testament to, well, the relationship between a son and a father.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, keep your head on a swivel.
	Watch your sex.
	Hold the line.
	Never give up.
	Never give in.

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