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Oct. 10, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Biden finally reacts to war in Israel

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	♪♪ ♪♪
	When did conservatives get stupid or lose any sense of honor and morality?
	I mean it.
	I really mean it.
	We'll talk about what Biden said a few minutes ago.
	It took him four days to finally say something instead of having barbecues and going home at 12 o'clock yesterday.
	He finally gave a speech.
	We'll talk about that later.
	But let's talk about how some people are reacting to, you know, imminent World War 3 in the Middle East and babies and women being killed on camera.
	Tucker Carlson published an interview yesterday with Vivek Ramaswamy and listen to the first sentence of his interview.
	Play cut.
	The conversation can't be limited to right and wrong.
	I mean, I don't think there's anyone defending the murder of concertgoers in the Negev two days ago as, you know, disqualified from, you know, being taken seriously.
	Of course, that's wrong.
	But it doesn't seem like any American policymaker is even willing to entertain other questions like, what's an American... Stop.
	Just stop.
	Did you hear what he just said?
	The discussion cannot be limited to right or wrong.
	Why?
	Isn't that what separates us from the left?
	Really, isn't that the only thing that separates us from the other side?
	That we believe in right and wrong.
	That we believe in truth.
	And what does he say next?
	He says, well of course killing people at a concert is wrong, but.
	What but?
	What but?
	Killing babies is wrong, but.
	Raping women, pulling them out of SUVs before you kill them is wrong, but.
	There is no but.
	And I love all the rest of the conservative influencers who are saying, oh, um, that's Israel.
	It's not our business.
	We've got to protect America.
	We've got problems back here.
	Really?
	Listen to my former boss in the White House, who illuminates a possible connection with our buddy Kash Patel.
	Here's Steve Bannon.
	Every adult should take some time today to see the footage of what these animals did to the people in Israel.
	And these are just, you know, these are women, these are families, they're shooting children, the girls.
	Okay?
	That's going to happen in the United States of America.
	That day is coming.
	Write that down.
	That day is coming because of what we're allowing to happen on the southern border.
	Thank you!
	Are we stupid?
	You know who you are.
	You follow me on social media.
	You're big conservative influencers, broadcasters, podcasters.
	And you're really saying for the last four days, that's not our war.
	That's not our war.
	Really?
	Hmm.
	Why are they killing the Jews?
	Why?
	Because they've got this tiny slip of land, the only piece of real estate in the Middle East with no oil, and they want that piece of real estate?
	Or is it because they're Jews?
	Is it because they're infidels?
	Well, guess what, Einstein?
	You're an infidel as well!
	Even if you're an atheist!
	But especially if you're a chest-beating Christian!
	Guess what?
	They want to kill you too.
	Do these people understand what our nation is?
	Have they ever read any of the Founding Fathers?
	Have they talked about what we are as a Christian nation?
	Don't dare quote to me the Disestablishment Clause of the Constitution.
	There is no Disestablishment Clause by the way.
	Every single founding father, even the alleged deist, Jefferson, who wasn't in fact a deist, every single one of them knew one thing about us.
	We are the New Jerusalem.
	We are the New Zion.
	We are based upon Christian values, which come from what?
	Oh, a Judeo-Christian civilization.
	Do you really think this is about a piece of real estate in the Middle East?
	How naive are you?
	Oh, let's have fun with that cretin Barnes as well.
	Hey Jeff, I always hid the fact that I worked for British in military intelligence, right?
	Never mentioned it in the last four and a half years working with you.
	Uh, tons of times the callers, you bring it up all the time.
	Yeah, there's actually photographs of me in my British Army uniform in my books, you moron Barnes.
	And one of the things I did on an S-type, as a reservist, I volunteered for active duty.
	During what?
	The Balkan Wars.
	And you know what I did, you cretin bombs?
	I sat in an intelligence cell in Ashford, the headquarters then of the Intelligence Corps.
	And my job was to collect the evidence of what had been done in the name of Islam, In the Balkans!
	The videos, the photographs, the aerial footage of people massacred so that they could be used in a later war crimes tribunal.
	That was my job.
	I bet you've never looked at those photographs, Barnes.
	Oh, and when I came to America, I did that for the US military.
	My job was to watch.
	Watch the videos of the decapitations of people like Daniel Pearl.
	The immolations, the setting on fire of our allies like that Jordanian fighter pilot.
	Not the blurred ones, you know.
	Not the edited ones for public consumption.
	The real ones.
	As I watch somebody have their head slowly severed on camera.
	That was my job.
	So I could explain who jihadists are.
	That's why I was an expert on the Boston bombing trial.
	To explain to the jury why Tsarnaev, as he's bleeding out in that boat in Boston, took his blood and wrote on the inside of the boat why he did what he did.
	Why he blew up a young child at the Boston bombing.
	Because he looked down, quote, the barrel of our gun and saw paradise.
	You think you're safe here in America?
	Do you remember how many people executed 9-11, the greatest terror attack in modern history?
	Less than 20 human beings.
	20! 150!
	have been identified on the terror watchlist coming into America in just the last three months.
	And you think this is Israel's problem.
	Well, I've got news for you.
	They want to kill you too.
	And if you think Hamas and Hezbollah and AQ and ISIS haven't used Biden's open border to send thousands of jihadis into America, you're a cretin.
	You really are a clinical moron.
	So cut it out if you're a conservative.
	Don't you dare ever say, ah, that's their war.
	Those babies, they can be beheaded.
	Those women can be raped and then killed because, you know, not my thing.
	Not my thing?
	Do you have any idea of the history?
	Oh, it's our fault because of what?
	The Gulf War?
	Have you read the Quran?
	Have you seen the history of Islam versus Christianity for the last 1400 years?
	Don't do it!
	Wake up and choose a side!
	You're listening to America First with me, Sebastian Gawker, former British military intelligence and former strategist to the President of the United States.
	Get real.
	Wake up.
	Smell the coffee grinds.
	Choose a side.
	Okay, I'm done.
	I'm done.
	You can roll.
	♪♪ ♪♪
	Yeah, that's a good way to roll into a break.
	I'm out.
	I'm done, you can... What?
	I don't know when I asked the title.
	Gawker goes O'Reilly.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Let's get that up there.
	Let's send that to Casio.
	Let me think of a title.
	...
	Something about this is our war 2 or something.
	or two or something.
	Something like that.
	Wake up, this is our war, too.
	Wake up, conservatives.
	No, wake up patriots.
	It's...
	Okay, we're connected.
	Great.
	Sir, can I get you to tilt your camera down a little bit for us, please?
	Just a little bit less headroom.
	See if I can try.
	How's that?
	Is there any way you could maybe just split the difference?
	It's a little bit too much.
	I always try the Goldilocks position.
	That's pretty good right there.
	And this is what I.
	The.
	And I would like to know who's behind this because it's very interesting that now I would think Putin is sitting back and saying, wow, well, they're going to send their money to Israel.
	So maybe they won't send them to Ukraine.
	They won't send the money to Ukraine now.
	I'm very suspicious of this.
	And what did Donald Trump tell Putin when he was in Helsinki?
	These are questions that need to be answered in this country.
	Right, Joy Behar, President Trump told Putin that Hamas is going to invade Israel in four years' time.
	The great sage, the strategic mastermind that is the views, Joy Behar.
	Well, yeah, of course!
	I mean, why couldn't you blame President Trump for, you know, what's happening in the Middle East, given the fact that he created the Abraham Accords, and we didn't have war for four years, and now we have two major wars, one in Europe and one in the Middle East.
	Unbelievable.
	The sheer, blatant nature of the propaganda is galling.
	Alright, instead of getting angry like I do, let's make a difference.
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	800 845 8844 that's 800 845 8844. All right I'm going to take a breather now.
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	I'm going to get our first guest of the day.
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	We'll be joined by former Green Beret, former Colonel, you know who they are, Jim Hansen, Kurt Schlichter, the rest of the hour.
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	I'll take some of your calls as well.
	And then the third hour is Victor Davis Hansen.
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	From where you are listening to this show, you do not want to miss a second.
	But first, we are delighted to have a new guest who comes very, very highly recommended from the Heritage Foundation, actually a former colleague of mine from the Trump administration.
	He is the Director of the Center for National Defense at the conservative mothership that is Heritage, former Deputy Assistant to the President.
	Welcome Robert Greenway to America First.
	Thanks for having me, Seb, and glad you're pointing folks in the direction where they could do the most good and support charitable organizations like the International Fellowship.
	God bless you.
	Thank you for that, Robert.
	All right, I'm just going to give you some free reign because you have a pinned tweet at the top of your feed that says the following.
	Time for the White House to choose.
	Support our closest ally in the region and its only democracy, or appease and fund the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism we know is responsible for yesterday's horrific attacks.
	Expand, expound on that please.
	Yeah, so what we're witnessing now is the collapse of assumptions that the current administration has been pursuing since 2021 when they came back in.
	And I say back in because many of the same people are involved, many of the same ideas, same policies, and many of the same outcomes, unfortunately, and largely predictable.
	And that premise is largely this, the idea is to integrate Iran into the region, the Islamic Republic of Iran into the region.
	Economically, from a social societal security standpoint, and that involves diminishing our partners and allies and our relationship that we have largely built our enterprise in the Middle East around convergent virtues, convergent beliefs and convergent forms of government.
	And that has compromised all of them at the expense of this idea to integrate Iran into the region and return to some form of the JCPOA that was brokered in 2015.
	Now the consequence of all of this is we've pumped resources of an unfathomable level into the Islamic Republic, the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism.
	And so now that has, unsurprisingly, manifested itself in the most horrific attack against Israel in its 75-year history.
	And think about that, right?
	The region's known for perpetual conflict.
	The Israel-Palestine issue is known as the most intractable.
	Israel's famously been in conflict since its existence.
	And this day, this weekend, was the most horrific in its history, and the largest loss of life for Jews since the Holocaust.
	And all of it came about because we pumped unlimited resources into the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, committed to its destruction.
	And so the point of my tweet briefly was to state, look, the administration has to now, confronted with this reality, make a choice.
	Are you going to support Tehran and the mullahs' integration into the region of the world economy?
	Or are we going to support our partner and ally, the region's only democracy in the form of Israel, and all of our other traditional partners against this threat and combat it where it resides?
	And that's the choice that confronts the current administration.
	We'll see very soon whether or not they're willing to reverse course.
	Yeah, we will see.
	I don't think it's ever going to happen because of this.
	Listen to the disgrace to the U.S.
	Navy uniform he once wore.
	John Kirby on CNN saying something that Well, it's stunning.
	This is Cut 5.
	Play Cut.
	Our Israeli counterparts just a day or so ago said the same thing that we're saying.
	We haven't seen any direct evidence that Iran participated in these particular attacks.
	They have to say that, don't they, Robert?
	They have to say, we see no evidence.
	Because if they see evidence, then somebody's going to say, is that connected to all the things you did for Iran?
	Well, you're right.
	The unfortunate reality, though, is The Wall Street Journal had already come out with an article.
	And the reason they lifted the lid, you know, the half-day work schedule that they've had at the White House since this crisis occurred, and the barbecue they hosted, I think, the night before Kirby showed up to talk to the press on The Sticks, is that they cannot avoid the fact that The Wall Street Journal did what apparently they're unable to do, which is call Hamas and Hezbollah and to determine from themselves, hey, did you plan this?
	Was Iran involved?
	And at what point did this begin?
	Now, coincidentally, that article also said that this started in April, the same time they announced the 5-for-5 hostage swap and the $6 billion transfer, which sits in an account in Qatar, ready, available at some point for the Mullahs' use.
	Which is a drop compared to what we've provided to them already.
	But I think they had to confront this.
	That clip is almost as bad, and you may have it, as Jake Sullivan's discussion about their tremendous progress on the Middle East and the fact that they don't have to devote as much time to it because they've made it the most stable it has been in decades.
	Which, on its face, obviously has fallen apart, and rightly so.
	Yeah, we actually played that clip yesterday, so you're on the money.
	We've been talking to the Director of the Center for National Defense at the Heritage Foundation.
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	you you
	that's terrifying Thank you.
	Mic's are hot on Rumble, FYI.
	By the way, the three of us, Jim, the doctor, and I, we could sort these Hamas guys out, planning-wise.
	You don't even want to know the operation we put into effect.
	Yeah, I told them.
	We are live on Rumble.
	Rock and roll.
	Kurt, can you get rid of the fuzzy background?
	I'm asking.
	What's the fuzzy background?
	Yeah, the blurred background.
	I don't know.
	How do I do that?
	How would I go about doing that?
	Hold on.
	Oh, here!
	How's that?
	Wow, I didn't even know that was a thing!
	Hey Kurt, is there anything else in your Chiron?
	I just have Senior Columnist Town Hall and then your Twitter handle.
	That's fine.
	I can't put my whole CV on there.
	I'm too multi-talented.
	Background blur.
	I didn't even know that was a thing.
	Don't swear, we're broadcasting right now, so don't swear as much as usual, Schlichter, alright?
	I guess my media colleague's a monologue.
	Was that too angry, guys?
	No, I'm ready to run through a wall.
	Good.
	Jeff, was that too angry?
	No.
	Okay, alright.
	I'm pissed!
	Talk again can stick it.
	Did Biden say anything?
	I missed him.
	Jeff, can we get a Biden cut for later in the hour?
	All he said was there's 14 killed, he said that there was American hostages, didn't say anything about getting them, and he mispronounced the name of the battleship.
	He just couldn't pronounce it.
	He couldn't pronounce Eisenhower?
	He said something else in the middle there, he just kind of rolled through it.
	Did he call it the USS Trump?
	Wouldn't that be cool?
	Hey, that's book nine, no previews!
	Have you got Kurt's new book, John?
	Yes, I do.
	Thanks.
	Oh, and we need that podcast image.
	The Warlords.
	Is that in the system or do you want me to find it?
	I don't have that, yeah.
	Let me see if I can find it.
	Warlords may be on semi-hiatus.
	Yeah, dude, we're pissed.
	Elon's not letting anybody see the show.
	Are you serious?
	Oh, don't worry about it, drum.
	Traffic is garbage.
	Copy that.
	Coming in with anything?
	I had him check my affiliation.
	What is it?
	Chief Editor, Middle East Forum.
	Middle East Forum.
	I've already got it changed in the Chiron.
	Okay, um...
	...and I'm not going to do it.
	I'm not going to do it.
	Now, what I've also seen by video, just like everybody else did, is that they were taking some, called them prisoners of war, or they were taking some, whatever, called them kidnapped, whatever they are.
	But they were treating them so nicely.
	I've seen videos of some lady that was in a golf cart Now, she's an Israeli lady.
	She's already been transported into Gaza.
	She's sitting there, nicely, respectfully, next to the guy who took her in from the settlement, and the other Palestinians are saying, oh, welcome to Gaza!
	Right.
	Is that such a violation?
	Now, I've seen tens of Israeli soldiers beating up seven-year-old children.
	Welcome to Gaza.
	Yeah, golf carts with welcome to Gaza.
	That was a pro-Palestinian demonstrator in Florida, of course, wearing his Arafat scarf.
	I guess he missed the videos of the women, the dead bodies, and the women bloodied, having been raped, about to be taken hostage and killed.
	Or the reports of the babies, the children that were murdered as well.
	It's everywhere, the misinformation.
	We will be dissecting it momentarily.
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	One by one, they're hard enough, but together...
	Is it going to be crazy?
	I think so, and that's good.
	Our two buddies in studio, we have Jim Hansen, former Green Beret.
	He is the chief editor for the Middle Eastern Review.
	And out in California, we just call him Crazy Colonel K, Kurt Schlichter.
	Gentlemen, welcome to America First.
	Good to be with you.
	Thanks for having us.
	All right, we said in the break we're going to solve all this in the next 12 and a half minutes, right?
	There is a simple solution.
	Alright, let's start in studio.
	Let's go to Jim.
	I'm going to take Kurt's idea, which is mine as well.
	Israel needs to be allowed to eliminate Hamas from the planet root and stem.
	No one should get in their way.
	We're not calling for American troops to go there.
	We can supply them with military equipment as we always have, which they buy a lot of times, but we need to let them do what needs to be done.
	No one should be forced to live with terrorists who are sworn to their destruction on their borders.
	Colonel K, do you agree with this very milquetoast strategy from Jim?
	Well, you know, Dr. Gorka, a lot of people question the Romans about their urban renewal efforts in Carthage.
	He's going to the meme of, does your boyfriend think about Rome a lot?
	Right now we are, and especially Cartago de Lenda Est.
	Now we better.
	All right, so root and branch.
	I said, you know, There has to be no... The solution has to be now.
	They have to finish the job.
	As military professionals of yore, let me ask you both.
	It's the worst form of warfare, it's urban.
	Yes.
	And also, when it comes to intel, if they screwed up the actual signals for the invasion, do they have the intelligence fidelity, do we think they have the intelligence fidelity, to actually root out all of the bad guys?
	Let's start, let's go to you Colonel K. Look, the reason that they failed to detect this, the first thing is, Remarkable planning by these 7th century barbarians.
	This was perfect asymmetrical warfare.
	They used all their limited strengths and put them against Israeli weaknesses, including Israeli complacency.
	You know, when those missiles started flying, everyone goes down to the shelter.
	There's no one out watching the fence.
	So you take out the automatic guns, you take down the fence, you flood the area that's prepared to detect and eliminate small groups of 5-10 terrorists, and you flood it with 1,000.
	It was remarkable.
	But my guess is this was their big flight.
	They're going to be in a very, very different situation trying to fight in an urban environment.
	It's bad for the Israelis.
	It's also bad for Hamas, because they're going to be decentralized.
	They're going to have very, very difficult lines of logistics and communications.
	The Israelis are going to not be complacent.
	They're going to be watching.
	There's going to be a drone over every block.
	There's various artillery, missile, and air fires at its beck and call, and the infantry is going to come in, and if they were like Americans, they would come in after flattening everything with artillery.
	We're talking to Kurt Schlichter, Jim Hanson.
	We're going to continue the rest of the hour, get their analysis, their advice, their expectations.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Alright, we'll mention the book.
	Uh, did I get it right, Chief Editor?
	Is that right, Chief Editor?
	Yeah, Middle East Forum.
	Forum, yeah.
	Not Review, but yeah.
	Sorry, Forum.
	Eh, you're close.
	It was four out of five right.
	Probably busy right now.
	Sorry?
	Middle East Forum?
	Probably busy right now.
	Jumping.
	It's a 24-7 op.
	The nice thing is, well, they've got connectivity all the way to Netanyahu's office and throughout the IDF, so yeah.
	Oh, good.
	Good.
	Get us a guest from there.
	I will get you whoever you want.
	Yeah, get me a spokesman.
	I can get you one of their spokespeople from Homefront Command.
	Perfect.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He'll do it from a bunker.
	Yeah, I'm trying to get one of the ambassadors, but I'd love an IDF guy.
	So I got asked by a emergency room doctor if I knew any way to get him over there to help.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	You think they'd want any retired colonels?
	Not if they work with me.
	I can drink their coffee.
	Let me see if this lady responded.
	I asked one lady on Instagram who's in the IDF.
	She got back to me.
	Any adventure?
	Yes, we're gonna come in with my Patriot Supply.
	Oh, did you see what Elon's guys did to me?
	No.
	I did a post, kill all the terrorists, and it was censored.
	If only you were the head mullah.
	all the terrorists. You like that? If only you were the head mullah. Right.
	Khomeini's genocide tweet gets to stay up.
	They're vermin. That guy needs, that guy needs, if we had a real president, the clock
	could be ticking on that SOJ. Mm-hmm. All right, what have we got that's short?
	Oh, play me cut 8.
	What did that lunatic say?
	Play me cut 8.
	Can I be more specific?
	I just know that when I do speeches or anything like that, I have as much compliments from the Republicans as I have from the Democrats.
	And the reason for that is because I'm much more in the center.
	And people know that I do not have... Okay, kill it.
	Jeff, can you pull me up?
	Can we get the screw your freedom cut?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Thank you.
	Coming in with anything?
	No, I'll tee it up.
	Mic's off.
	This is a test.
	you And I think it's despicable what they're protesting for.
	And what you're protesting for.
	And the fact that you can't condemn women and children and elderly people being murdered in the streets.
	What about it?
	Do you condemn it?
	I already said... Why can't you say yes?
	Because I already gave you my answer.
	It's strange American politicians can't condemn what is being done by Hamas in the Middle East.
	That's Colorado State Representative Tim Hernandez.
	Just guess which party he's from.
	And Jeff, what else do we need to know about Tim Hernandez?
	Oh good news, he's a school teacher.
	Oh he's a school teacher?
	So he can't condemn children being killed?
	Of course not.
	Well we're going to talk about that and what we saw in the streets of New York yesterday with our two guests.
	It's of course Jim Hansen and Kurt Schlichter.
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	All right, we're back with our guest Jim Hanson, Kurt Schlichter.
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	It's part of the Kelly Turnbull series.
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	Okay, um... Everybody's asking this question.
	I'm curious, your take, because we haven't discussed this.
	The fact that the Israelis missed it is shocking, because of course there were signals, so somebody ignored the signals.
	But we spend 30 times on intelligence what they do.
	How did we miss it, Jim?
	Elint is not as good as Hument.
	Explain that.
	If you're just listening to what's going over the airwaves and the internet and trying to figure out what's going on, rather than sending actual spies into the den of the enemy, then you're not going to know exactly what's going on.
	You're going to have a view, like a telescope into it, and that's not the same thing.
	So not enough Hument.
	No, not at all.
	And that's where the shocking part is with the Mossad.
	They're good at that.
	They are the best in the world at human intelligence.
	So either the Palestinians and the Iranians got a lot better at operational security, or this was the biggest failure, or both.
	Kurt, your take?
	Jim's absolutely right.
	The only way to... Look, if you hide what you're doing, And just kind of pretend to keep your signals going, but transport all your messages by bicycle or even wire.
	The guys who aren't paying attention, who are complacent, are not going to notice anything different.
	It's when you notice something different that that triggers the intelligence community.
	I am guessing that the Israelis were hoodwinked by normal traffic, while in the background A very small group of people was planning this, and then at the last minute pushed it out in a very decentralized way.
	My guess is a lot of these barbarians had no idea that they were going across the border with, you know, 1500 guys.
	They probably thought it's just me and Ahmed and our 10 buddies and we're going to go and attack that checkpoint and suddenly everybody's going and they didn't know.
	Compartmentalized, absolutely.
	We've discussed what needs to be done and I think we're in agreement, all three of us, what needs to be done.
	I'll start with you, Curtin, and I'll go to Jim.
	Given what we've seen in Israel in the last six months, the Supreme Court, the protests, the strikes, Are they going to do what needs to be done?
	Is BB going to actually execute Kurt?
	I expect they will.
	They're going to have a unity government across the Israeli political spectrum.
	Remember, this is equivalent of like 33,000 Americans being murdered, and some unknown number of thousands being taken away for rape, murder, and torture by these barbarians.
	They are going to come together.
	There's going to be an accounting later, and Bibi's where the buck stops, and it's going to be put on him.
	That's what happens when you're a commander and your command screws up.
	They screwed up.
	Jim, you're now chief editor of the Middle Eastern Forum.
	Are they going to finish this for once?
	I think they have actually been given a tremendous opportunity to do something they've needed to do for decades, and that is wipe Hamas out completely.
	And that's been difficult politically.
	They've always faced difficulty internally.
	They've faced incredible international pressure because, for some reason, too many people believe that the Palestinians are victims rather than a genocidal cult bent on terrorist attacks.
	So, now they've got the opportunity to go ahead and push through all of Gaza, to take out every piece of infrastructure, but not to stop at doing that and disarming them, to take every member of Hamas and expel them, and to get the members of Hamas who are hiding in Turkey, in Iran, and in Qatar, and every one of them is a legitimate target in this war.
	There should be no rat hole on the planet where any member of Hamas can hide from the wrath of the IDF.
	So Mossad's going to be, the external Mossad team's going to be busy?
	I think all of those people will be hearing loud noises right before things go black.
	Yeah, a lot of 22LR ammunition is going to be purchased by Mossad.
	Let's talk about the next 14 months.
	Kurt, four days late, the President gives a speech this afternoon.
	They're not exactly going to be part of the solution, are they?
	Look, they desperately want this to go away so they can get back to what they consider America's greatest strategic challenge, which is the weather in a century and a half.
	No, hang on.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	I want you to believe that this isn't a joke.
	Play Cut 13, everybody.
	Listen to Cut 13.
	This is John Kirby, former admiral, disgrace to the Navy.
	The only existential threat humanity faces, even more frightening than a nuclear war, is global warming going above 1.5 degrees in the next 20, 10 years.
	Given all the nuclear players in these two areas where we are now engaged on, does the president stand by that comment?
	Absolutely he does.
	Climate change is an existential threat.
	You see?
	You see?
	We're not making, we're not having fun with you guys.
	Biden said it.
	Climate change.
	And Kirby, after the invasion of Israel, is asked live on cable TV, does the president still believe it's climate change given the fact that Israel has nukes, Russia has nukes, there's war involving both of those nations?
	What does this cretinous imbecile insult to the US Navy say?
	Yes, he does.
	Guys, You have to laugh, otherwise you're gonna cry.
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	My next town hall piece for Thursday, it's called The Leftists Want to Have That Massacre
	Happen.
	Thank you.
	Because they're making it very clear, when they say decolonialization, they mean raping and murdering you and your family.
	And there's no other way to put it.
	I think what we saw over the weekend was perhaps the greatest validation of the right to keep and bear arms conceivable.
	A lot of people don't know Israel was, was very, very anti-gun, very controlled. And, you
	know, look what happened.
	Yeah Yeah.
	The idea that the keyboard team could just be, you know, run roughshod and then they couldn't defend themselves.
	All right.
	We've only got three minutes left.
	I'm going to come in with a cut from Sydney and then I'm going to ask you, what does this mean for domestic security?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Come in with the Sydney Opera House cut, which is...
	Oh yeah, 15.
	Cut 15.
	And then I'm going to need the images from New York again, John, just as we're talking.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Gender studies.
	Close.
	Queer studies.
	Are you kidding me?
	I mean, it makes sense.
	I don't even want to look.
	How did you find that?
	Where was that?
	On Wikipedia.
	It was some fancy prep school.
	No, no, no, the cop, the cop.
	I think the Post Millennial, one of the reporters posted it.
	Gas the Jews, gas the Jews a la Wakbar.
	That's not Gaza, it's on the West Bank.
	That's in Australia, outside the iconic Sydney Opera House.
	The images, Jim, Kurt, from New York on Saturday, yesterday, That look like Gaza, that look like the West Bank, that say globalise the Intifada, the woman holding up the Nazi swastika on her phone.
	Can you translate what we're witnessing?
	Can you make it relevant for Americans here in America when it comes to the security threat, Jim?
	We invited this type of thinking into our academia and universities, and now most of the Middle Eastern studies programs at major universities are essentially Islamist and Jihadist training centers.
	And they teach these people that the Palestinians have been victimized, not that they have spent 75 years trying to push the Jews into the sea.
	So, I think we need to go ahead and look at every place, every public university that receives money from our government that is teaching this crap, and tell them, you stop that the same way they have to stop the rest of the woke agenda, or we're cutting all government funding to you.
	That needs to be the Republicans' priority.
	Kurt, you've got an article coming out in the town hall, what happened in the Middle East, his relevance here, especially to your capacity to defend your family, correct?
	Absolutely.
	Joe Biden has no idea who he's invited in here.
	I look at those pictures of foreigners streaming into our country unmolested, and all I see are nearly completely military-aged males.
	This is what you have in here, and the left wants it to.
	They hate us.
	Yeah, it's strange that if you're escaping awful conditions, if you're escaping tyranny and, you know, war zones, how it's not family units that are coming, but it's young, military-aged males.
	That's weird, I think.
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	copy that you
	you you
	Did you want to come in with any cuts?
	No.
	I'll tee out VDH.
	Cut 9.
	Copy that.
	I'm gonna play, I wanna play the, um...
	Kirby cut again, 13 as well.
	well.
	Copy that.
	Hello, American First.
	I think Black is calling.
	Correct.
	Yes.
	He's on?
	you Listen to him.
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	There are some people I want to hear from so much on my show when things such as the horrific events of Saturday occur, and you're going to hear from two of them today on the same day.
	The third hour, the whole hour, Is going to be Victor Davis Hanson.
	So do not move from where you are.
	If you're in a market that doesn't get the third hour, move to another market.
	In the meantime, we have the capacity.
	If you're following us on Twitter, we will post every third hour on my Twitter feed.
	Just go to Seb Gorka on Twitter and you'll get it after we broadcast it.
	So either on the podcast or on Twitter, you get the long form interviews that we love to do.
	Today is Victor Davis Hanson.
	And before that, not a bad warm-up act at all.
	His co-host for the podcast.
	As scholars and saints, we are honored to have Lord Conrad Black.
	Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	It's an honor to be a warm-up act for Victor Hanson.
	Not too shabby.
	Not too shabby, as we say.
	So, I don't know where to begin.
	Let me just have your response to the enormity.
	Give us a sense of the scale of what we are witnessing in the Middle East in the last three days.
	Well, it's to me particularly shocking.
	Obviously, it's shocking that whenever we are reminded of the levels of hate that exist on this issue of the status of these so-called Palestinians, who are hard to identify ethnically, as you know, that people would be so Uh, so fanatically motivated is to think it was advancing any worthwhile cause to, to murder children and old people and torture people and that sort of thing.
	But, um, I mean, it's a crime, not of the proportions and in the sense of the numbers of people involved, but of the wickedness of the act with us.
	Has been invoked as a comparison of the pogroms of Nazi Germany.
	And as I say, it doesn't involve as many people, but it's the same level of destructiveness and murderous intent.
	But as a political gesture, what strikes me is, it's a suicide move by Hamas.
	They only have about 15,000 trained people.
	They've antagonized a country with armed forces, highly trained and very well armed.
	And, of course, extraordinarily highly motivated, particularly in these circumstances, numbering
	approximately 500,000.
	And they must know that what Israel is going to do is virtually going to wipe Hamas out.
	So it is a desperation move.
	And in that sense, it reminded me of the North Vietnamese invasion of the South in April
	of 72, between Mr. Nixon's return from China and his embarkation from Moscow.
	They were trying to disrupt his warming relations with the Chinese and the Russians.
	And here it seems that they are motivated, and the timing is the result of the apparent desire of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia to
	produce a durable and comprehensive peace settlement.
	And that is, of course, the last thing these people want.
	They don't want a two-state solution.
	They do not accept the existence of Israel as a Jewish state.
	But they must be in a desperate condition to undertake a mission like this.
	I mean, it was very professionally carried out, no question of that.
	But they have to know that the response is going to be unlike anything Israel has ever
	done before.
	Now, we have that expectation.
	We have that expectation.
	We have that expectation.
	We've had very robust language yesterday from Prime Minister Netanyahu, also from his Foreign Minister.
	Do you think, given what we've seen on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem for the last nine months, the protests, the government strikes, the arguments over the Supreme Court and the fashé between the Cabinet and the Supreme Court, Do you think that that language will be backed up?
	Do you think that we will see an Israel come together in a way that we haven't since 73?
	Will this be a Bibi-led coalition government, a unity government, that really brings that solution to Hamas that has to be brought?
	I do.
	I do.
	And I think Bibi's comments on the weekend were exactly tailored to that.
	They were They were comments that virtually all Israeli Jews, I mean, I wouldn't want to vouch for the Arab population of Israel, but all Israeli Jews would subscribe to.
	And I mean, I think he recognizes both the duty and the opportunity And as a matter of fact, I think that in these
	circumstances, if, as I believe will happen, he exercises the mandate he undoubtedly has to lead a
	mission of extreme destruction against Hamas, in the aftermath of that there may be a climate of
	relatively reduced domestic political tensions, of which it becomes more possible to
	get a compromise on the judicial reform questions.
	But here, I think, unless Netanyahu approached it in a divisive way, which he has not done
	– he's spoken for Israel, has spoken for all of the Jewish people, and spoken eloquently
	in English, and I'm sure he did in Hebrew as well – he's seizing the opportunity
	– I mean, it's a terrible time – but he's seizing the opportunity to lead a united
	nation, and I believe that's what he has.
	I mean, I saw some of his opponents on television.
	I mean, Naftali Bennett volunteering for the reserve.
	I mean, people who don't like Bibi politically, but, you know, this is like the day after Pearl Harbor.
	People who hated Roosevelt stood and cheered him when he spoke to the Congress.
	But can there be, even if there is a complete You know, they're talking about a hundred thousand deployed into Gaza.
	If there is a physical destruction of those responsible in theater, in Israel, in those territories who are responsible for those actions, can that lead to a lasting resolution if the actual backer, if Iran isn't dealt with?
	Won't that just be a A temporary solution?
	I mean, we don't want a broadened actual war between states, but Iran is the reason for what we're witnessing, isn't it?
	I think you have to say that.
	I mean, obviously Hamas would have the same intentions, but not the same means without Iran.
	And in my opinion, by the way, I think the Discussion of a general war in the Middle East is a very weakly founded fear.
	It's a very unlikely eventuality.
	I think that Israel could take down the Iranian nuclear program.
	I believe the Trump administration gave them a bunker buster and I think they have the ability to do it.
	With surgical strikes?
	Yeah, and I think the world would thank them for it, including virtually all of the Arab powers.
	And I don't think that Iran can do anything about it.
	I mean, they have no border with Israel, and even the Ayatollahs wouldn't imagine that they could invade Iraq and reach Israel that way.
	And incidentally, the Iranian army would be no match for the IDF.
	I think the implication of your question of a strike at Iran is a reasonable one, but I think Israel's in a position to do damage to Iran by air.
	That Iran could not reply to and would scorch their fingers too.
	On your podcast, Scholars in Sense, with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett, you talk of strategic issues and it's incredibly enjoyable.
	Given your analysis, your prior works you've published on strategic matters, what is your expectation?
	Is this going to be weeks, months or years?
	Weeks, I think.
	Maybe up to two months, but not longer than that.
	Look, Gaza is a very small place, and it has between one and two million people in it.
	And even in their present state of righteous anger, the Israelis don't want to kill unnecessary numbers of civilians.
	Once they get to the task, I think they will go through Gaza quite comprehensively.
	To me, the most encouraging thing is, as far as I can see, you can hear a pin drop on the West Bank.
	The PLO doesn't want any part of this.
	Yeah, they do not.
	And Hezbollah's made a show of solidarity.
	They certainly haven't made a full-scale attack.
	No, they're not arm-in-arm.
	They're not arm-in-arm with Hamas.
	We're talking to Lord Conrad Black, co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
	His website is ConradMBlack.com.
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	Then white supremacy.
	So do you think that white supremacists were behind this?
	I don't know.
	Our president holds, and the media, who are his supporters, they hold more contempt for what they consider political adversaries, Trump supporters, parents that are concerned about their kids, than they do for the actual terrorists, right?
	They deem those people the danger.
	Imagine if our intel agencies had focused not on parents and Catholic churches, but Maybe on this other stuff, these people that are on the street right now.
	And Cotton Eye and VDH?
	You know, everything that comes out of the West Bank and Gaza is a lie.
	They're mendacious.
	And CNN knows that.
	And yet they're so wedded to this left-wing narrative, and their viewers and the base of the Democratic Party is joined at the hip with this left-wing pro-Hamas movement.
	They can't do anything.
	People warned when Biden came into office, Laura, people warned him not to resume aid to the Palestinians and in Gaza and his own State Department warned him that it would be fungible.
	They warned him not to give money to Iran.
	They warned him not to do this Iran hostage deal.
	They warned him not to.
	Drop the sanctions.
	People warned, everybody warned him not to appoint Robert Malley, who's now under investigation by the FBI.
	He was their Iran nuclear negotiator.
	They wanted to get back in the Iran deal.
	They said this guy is not reliable, he's an anti-Semite, and he's under investigation for maybe espionage, but surely dissemination of classified documents.
	And then, so this is completely what you'd expect.
	And then lastly, um, Joe Scarborough, cut six please.
	Six.
	Thank you.
	A stark warning for the United States.
	Here you had Israel divided.
	You had a prime minister indicted three times who was declaring political war on the Supreme Court.
	You had people in the streets protesting.
	You look at the United States, we have an empty speakership.
	For the first time in U.S.
	history, have a president going around talking about the execution of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and saying that American democracy is rigged, and you have a Fox News host last week openly say on one of its most popular programs that elections don't matter anymore, that There has to be a reliance on violence against Democrats, and that it's time for civil war.
	What messages were sent to Hamas, from Israel, with their internal divisions, and are we doing the same thing in the United States?
	Of course, it's Ann Applebaum in studio.
	John, I'm going to tee up the Cut15 from Sydney again, and then I'm going to need the New Yorker images from the weekend.
	Copy that, too.
	Sebastian, who's that dolt there?
	Uh, Joe Scarborough.
	Who is that guy you're talking about?
	Joe Scarborough.
	Oh my god.
	I didn't think even he was that dumb.
	Oh, he is.
	He takes the biscuit.
	He takes the biscuit.
	Standby.
	Yeah, he's terrible.
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	Lord Black, you've seen these images, you've heard these audio clips.
	I want to play them for our listeners across the nation.
	This was Sydney, Australia, yesterday outside the iconic Opera House.
	People chanting... Well, let's just play it for the listeners.
	Cut 15.
	Wake the Jews!
	We can't broadcast the rest of it because of FCC regulations, but they were shouting
	gas the Jews, gas the Jews in downtown Sydney and ala Waqar.
	Yesterday in New York, and on Sunday as well, we had thousands and thousands of protesters It looked, the images looked like the West Bank.
	They held up massive banners saying, Globalize the Intifada.
	And one of the protesters, a Muslim woman, held up her phone.
	It was pictured on the front cover of the New York Post with a swastika image on her phone.
	Lord Black, would you talk to how the radicalism Isn't simply segregated to faraway lands in the Middle East?
	The idea that Sydney Opera House is surrounded by people screaming, gas the Jews?
	That would not be representative of Australian public opinion.
	I mean, one of the results of the immigration policies, the relatively liberal immigration policies that most of the advanced Western countries have followed, is you get a dispersal of of people from a lot of Muslim countries all around the Western world.
	And I'm sure the great majority of them are perfectly reasonable, moderate people.
	But there are some of them that are extremists, at least in their views of the Middle East, and they're anti-Jewish.
	But that is representative of one part of migrant Muslim opinion in Western countries.
	It is not representative of the prevailing opinion of people who are the majority populations
	of those countries.
	I mean, I'm sure if you took a poll in the United States now, Israel would be supported
	by over 90 percent of the population.
	Yeah Let's talk about another very disturbing aspect amongst the quote-unquote elite or the talking, the chattering classes.
	We have far too many people with very large platforms here in America who say that they are conservatives but who in the last four days have been very vocal in stating this is not our problem.
	This is Israel's problem.
	We have to solve the problems back home, secure our border, and let Israel deal with this.
	What has happened to a conservative movement that seems neo-Buchananite or isolationist when it is clear what Israel is facing?
	Well, we got some of that with the Ukraine discussion, too.
	I mean, some of these people are friends of mine, good friends of mine, but we part company on this issue, and some of them speak of Ukraine as, you know, as you say, not our war, and so forth, as if Americans were taking casualties in Ukraine.
	I mean, for 5 percent of the American defense budget to inflict this terrible open wound,
	or at least promote the continuation of it, for the Russian armed forces is a very, very
	productive and remunerative strategic investment.
	I mean, if Russia wasn't mired in Ukraine, its prestige would be much greater, and it
	would have a far greater budget to commit acts of mischief all over the place.
	But isn't it more than just a clinical calculation of cost-benefit in terms of national security?
	But isn't there a moral component when we see what's happening in the Middle East?
	There certainly is.
	There certainly is in both places.
	We couldn't, I mean, it would have been a disaster for the West.
	Yeah.
	if the independence of Ukraine had just been stamped out as our just-departed chairman
	of the Joint Chiefs had predicted, and another triumph of military intelligence.
	And certainly in the Middle East, I mean, Israel is a country which is not immune from
	criticism.
	It sometimes takes political positions that many of us think were not the optimal ones.
	But it is an authentic democracy.
	It's a heroic story of a much persecuted people finally regaining a land of their own and
	turning it in one long lifetime from a desert into a thoroughly prosperous country.
	And next to the United States, the greatest source of inventions and technological advances
	of any country.
	It's a thundering success story as well as an authentic democracy.
	And to have it assaulted in this way is repugnant of 90% of civilized people in the world, wherever they are in the world.
	Yeah, just look at one thing and one thing alone, the proportion of Jewish or Israeli Nobel Prize winners.
	For a nation the tiny size of Israel, it is quite, quite stunning.
	And if you've ever been to Israel, you realize what they have created in a desert landscape, a tiny piece of real estate, one of the few nations in the region that doesn't, in fact, have oil.
	It is more a testament to everything they have created since 1948.
	We've been talking to Lord Conrad Black, he's the author of serious presidential works that need to be on your bookshelf.
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	Well, that's what it was 75 years ago.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	No, what they have created is truly stunning.
	Truly stunning.
	Yeah.
	Well, look, I thought B.B.' 's comments about never again and all that, I thought they were quite moving, actually.
	No, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	I think he's alright.
	Look, I think he touched a nerve with every Jew.
	Even some of these really, even frankly, Jews who don't like being Jewish.
	I mean, I think he... Well, we hope.
	We hope.
	We have friends who, their grown son, he's 30 years old, living here in America, and he's back in Israel already, you know, in his uniform.
	Yeah.
	Trying times.
	Trying times.
	Yeah.
	OK.
	Well, did the sound quality come through all right, even though I'm on a cell phone?
	Oh, no.
	This is your cell?
	No, it was fine.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	No, it worked perfectly.
	Good.
	All right.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	God bless.
	OK.
	Thank you.
	Bye-bye.
	Can you play cut 12 please?
	Well, I have to say Ben and Rick have said it very clearly.
	You've got to look around corners on this one.
	Their emotions are running high.
	There are a lot of people who are pretty sure that they know the right thing to do in the moment, and a lot of that feels like punishment and retribution.
	There are massive consequences to getting this one wrong.
	It's not just the humanitarian disaster that could happen in Gaza, but it is the possibility of a regional war here.
	Iran, we're not sure what role Iran has played in this thing yet, we're still trying to get
	to the bottom of it, but Iran does stand to gain from chaos amongst people in the Middle
	East.
	And that is today our proposal.
	But...
	The most horrific kind of fighting is door-to-door fighting, and the type of fighting that we're going to have to do there is against an enemy that respects life in no way, shape, or form.
	They're going to use humans, civilians, as standbacks.
	They're going to do...
	You You
	You You
	And that is today our proposal that as we stand with Israel we sanction Iran
	So we are going to roll out for the next legislative session a proposal to increase Florida's sanction on Iran and to block Iranian business in our state.
	Ah, what a relief.
	Jeff, the war's going to end tomorrow, right?
	Because DeSantis is going to sanction Iran with regards to Florida?
	This reminds me of his whole kickoff thing right after Trump left office when he was acting like he was going to go deal with China.
	Don't forget the border!
	Yeah, exactly, the border that is surrounded by oceans.
	Do people take that seriously as he stands there with a sanctioned Iran, you know, poster board thing that his team made yesterday on the front of the podium?
	I mean, do they think this looks like he's a president?
	To me, he just looks like a typical politician trying to involve himself.
	Instead of just having a statement, rip Hamas for a minute and what they did.
	That's all you need to do.
	That's all you need to do.
	Yeah, let's have a serious discussion.
	Tim Kennedy.
	Who's Tim Kennedy, Jeff?
	He's a former MMA guy?
	Yeah, and he was, I think it was Army Special Forces, too.
	He's a pretty interesting guy.
	Yeah, I think he was a Ranger.
	He had this take on what to expect in the next few days and weeks in the Middle East.
	You can sound off, too.
	The number here is 833-33-GORKA.
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	The most horrific kind of fighting is door-to-door fighting, and the type of fighting that we're going to have to do there is against an enemy that respects life in no way, shape, or form.
	They're going to use humans, civilians, as sandbags.
	They're going to do fighting out of civilian positions.
	CQB, this door-to-door type of fighting, is truly the worst type of fighting that you can do, and doing it with neighbors that you've lived peacefully with for a very long time, but now are being used as leverage.
	Every time a civilian dies, that's more propaganda for Hamas.
	It's a win-win for them to have to fight this kind of fight.
	Israel has been trying so hard to not be in this fight for this exact reason, and this is the fight that Hamas wants.
	That's exactly what they want.
	This is that when you kill babies, when you take women hostage, rape them and then kill them, this is what you're going to get, Hamas.
	And he's right.
	CQB, close quarter battle, is the toughest, is the ugliest.
	House to house, basement to basement.
	But this is what they have asked for.
	And God willing, I have friends whose children who live here in America have deployed back to Israel, put on that uniform to fight for their country.
	How did we miss all this?
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	What's your question?
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	Yes, I read that as many as 80 holes in the southern fence between Gaza and Israel were made.
	That is an extraordinary amount of breaking down.
	And I see this in a spiritual sense.
	I had a vision of this in my mind's eye, that in a spiritual way, this is connecting to us.
	It's also physical.
	We can look at our own Southern border, and it's similarly porous, but it's in our lives too,
	as Christians and also as Americans, that we've allowed such decay and rot in our lives
	and compromise for our own convenience sake, for our own materialistic worldly ways,
	and we're not willing to really repent and intercede.
	We'll go stand out on a street corner and bang pots and pans or whatever and make noise,
	but will we get on our knees and ask God to intervene?
	Yeah, I think you can say that for our nation, especially after the way we just Crumbled in front of the little COVID fascist-like Fauci.
	The thing that makes this all the more shocking, Doug, is that we're talking about Israel.
	Israel is a land of very strong faith, although, you know, there's different interpretations of the Talmud, of Judaism amongst the Jews of Israel.
	But that's a nation that knew that their neighbors want to kill them.
	And the idea that this occurred, all those breaches of their borders, As they knew that their neighbors want to kill them, that's all the more shocking.
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	what it thinks what is it Oh yeah, absolutely.
	I feel like some red meat.
	No, no, no.
	We'll do it another thing.
	What have we got here?
	Where are we?
	What block are we?
	D-block.
	Okay.
	You can block.
	Yes, PhD, thank you.
	Mmmmmmmm.... no.
	Just PhD.
	Boom.
	Bleh.
	You You
	You Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	That's what we do here.
	That's what we do because there are so many lies and dastardly conspiracy theories out there.
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	Chad, California.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	What's your comment?
	What's your question?
	Yeah, my heart goes out to the Israeli people, obviously, and I appreciate your righteous indignation and for your guests and our comments.
	Based on the comments made by, I think it was the Colonel, he thought maybe it wasn't as coordinated as we thought,
	but with the amount of holes that they put in the walls, 80 of them, and Arab hang gliders,
	I'm not sure if there's a club in the Gaza Strip that practices hang gliding.
	They're not hang gliders, they're paragliders.
	They've got motors on them.
	It's like a small plane.
	I'm sorry, I misspoke.
	But yeah, it does seem like just some random guy and a paraglider looking for an event to cause fear.
	There was nothing random about anything that happened on Saturday.
	Nothing random.
	No, not at all.
	And on top of that, in less than 24 hours, you had, you know, these big protests, especially in New York, but you mentioned the one in Australia and, you know, elsewhere, where they had, you know, these big vinyl signs.
	It's like, you know, most of these big print shops don't operate on weekends and even on Sundays.
	What are you getting at, Chad?
	I'm really worried where you're getting, where you're going to.
	Where are you going with this?
	I just feel like this was a coordinated thing.
	What was coordinated?
	The attack?
	Of course it was coordinated.
	Yeah, because I've been hearing... I don't understand.
	What do you mean?
	You think this was just an accident?
	You think hundreds of guys just decided?
	You think this wasn't planned by Iran?
	No, I believe it was planned by Iran.
	So what are you saying?
	Well, I'm just kind of countering not anything that you said, but, you know, other people that... No, no, no.
	You misunderstood.
	You misunderstood what Kurt said.
	He talked about the classic principle of compartmentalization.
	If you're doing a big operation, if you've got 500 people in an operation, you don't give all 500 people the details of everything that's happening in that operation.
	That goes against basic security.
	It's called compartmentalization.
	So one team that's attacking, you know, X kibbutz, Has no idea that there are three other teams attacking three other kibbutzim in southern Israel.
	That's what he meant.
	He didn't say that this was, you know, random people who accidentally just happened to attack on the same time.
	It was done following clearly the principles of, you know, operational security.
	Right, they don't want the information to get out, so it was more like word of mouth.
	You shouldn't be surprised at that.
	And what, people had protest banners in New York?
	You think this is the first time that they went to a pro-Palestinian protest and they've never had a banner before?
	No.
	Okay, thank you, Chad.
	Thank you, Chad.
	Okay.
	What was that about?
	Let's go to Todd, line one, Atlanta.
	Yes, Dr. Gorka, thank you for speaking the truth about the religion of peace that was founded by a mass murderer.
	Who liked to do what?
	Do you know what he did?
	Do you know what Mohammed did in Medina?
	He wiped out a whole Jewish tribe.
	A whole Jewish tribe!
	Just wiped them out!
	That's, you know, the founder of their religion of peace, Todd.
	Exactly.
	627, the Battle of the Trench.
	You know?
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, right.
	I doff my cap.
	Well done.
	And, you know, my concern is, you know, we're seeing some support from Europe, but how long before their Muslim populations, you know, globalise the Intifada?
	Well, that was the sign!
	That was the sign in New York!
	I mean, the streets of New York!
	A massive banner!
	Globalise Intifada, Todd!
	Yes.
	I mean, how long do you think Europe will support Israel?
	I mean, for a week?
	Do they really support Israel?
	I mean, you look at the mealy-mouthed statements, you look at the EU, how much money they've given Palestine.
	It's not real support, is it, Todd?
	No, and they've had these attacks in Paris and London and elsewhere.
	I mean, when are they going to wake up?
	Well, that is the question.
	When are they going to wake up?
	It's a very good one, and I don't know if they ever will, or maybe when they do, Todd, it might be too late.
	Stay on the line.
	The Battle of the Trench.
	Let's give him a copy of The War for America's Soul.
	If he hasn't, if he's got that already, let him choose.
	Let's go to Michelle, Delaware, line three.
	Hi.
	I'm friends with Amir Safadi.
	Hang on, are you on speakerphone?
	I tried to take it off.
	Please, because it's like really windy, whatever you're doing.
	Are you there?
	I'm gonna pull over.
	Oh, don't cause an accident my dear, but we need to hear you clearly.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	I'm friends with Amir Tafari on Facebook, YouTube, and Telegram, and he put out a video with a pastor in California that they got caught with their pants down, yes.
	They got caught with what?
	With their pants down.
	When they hit the towers, their protection towers, they were then able to go in
	and they attacked the military first, then they went to the houses.
	In the houses, they called their version of 9-1-1, I'm not sure exactly what it is,
	and they mobilized the wrong direction.
	They thought Hezbollah was gonna attack from the north, so they went north,
	and then they had to hike it back two hours south, And that's what gave them the four hour lead time to do all
	the evil that they did.
	Yeah, I'm not sure that that may work for one attack, but we're talking about dozens of attacks.
	We don't have one emergency service in Israel, so I need to know more about that.
	Stay on the line, Michelle, and I need to know the details.
	I don't know about this random pastor who thinks he's got an insider.
	Take on it, but I'd like to learn more, so give all the details you can to Jeff, and I will check it out and watch the video myself after the show today.
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	Oh, play me cut 7.
	Oh, play me cut 7.
	.
	Trump endorsing Jordan is a perfect encapsulation of where the GOP is at right now.
	A vote for Jordan to Speaker is essentially a vote for Trump and his efforts to overturn American democracy.
	Even if Jim Jordan is nominally in charge of that House, he's just going to be following Trump's orders.
	Trump is still the leader of the Republican Party, and Jordan is fully devoted to him.
	So I guess you could say Jordan's the one who's thirsty for leadership.
	This has been A Closer Look.
	That's a comedy show, right, Jeff?
	Yeah, he breaks in.
	He always does that, too.
	In these stupid monologues.
	He does, like, basically just reads Democrat talking points for like a minute.
	I'd love to know what his viewership is.
	Alright, call me in with 8, and then I'll tee up the second cut, 17.
	Copy that.
	Steal your freedom.
	That guy didn't want to go there with you, because he, but he told me that after the sign sings, he thought that they let it happen.
	I'm surprised he didn't say that to you, though.
	Are you sure he didn't just misrepresent it?
	He actually wanted to go there?
	Maybe he said something else because the sign was there.
	He's like, it seems like they just let it happen.
	Yeah, the whole sign thing is like, hmm, I've never gone to a pro-Palestine march in my life.
	I know that they have all of them.
	Right.
	I think they've had one hour printed.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	I just know that when I do speeches or anything like that, I have as much compliments from the Republicans as I have from the Democrats.
	And the reason for that is because I'm much more in the center.
	And people know that I do not have an enemy.
	I don't look at Democrats as the enemy even though I'm a Republican.
	I look at them as working partners.
	Absolutely essential for our democracy that Democrats and Republicans work together rather than seeing each other as the enemy.
	Why are they cheering him?
	Hey Jeff, he said he's in the center and he doesn't have enemies.
	Is that what Arnold said?
	Yeah, that's what the Republicans want.
	You can hear the primary debates now.
	Everyone says, I'm going to be in the center, and that's really what's going to win it for us.
	So is that where fascism is?
	In the center?
	I guess maybe it is to him.
	Because he says, I don't have enemies, right?
	That's why I'm in the center?
	Well, if you're working with Democrats, I think that's pretty much where you've got to go.
	Right, and I guess he doesn't have enemies unless you don't want to wear a mask.
	This is a little reminder of people who Arnold does think are his enemies.
	Cut 17.
	There is a virus here.
	It kills people.
	And the only way we prevent it is to get vaccinated, to wear masks, to do social distancing, washing your hands all the time, and not just to think about, well, my freedom is being kind of disturbed here.
	No, screw your freedom.
	I have no enemies, but screw your freedom if you don't get vaccinated.
	Okay?
	I'm Arnold.
	I'm in the middle.
	I'm in the center.
	Except when I'm doing things with my nanny.
	Then I'm not in the middle and the center.
	Then I'm on top.
	That's me, Arnold.
	Oh, by the way, for those who are listening and who aren't watching, Jeff, who was that fat dough boy in the middle next to Arnold on that second clip?
	Colonel Vindman, right?
	He's the one that gets really upset if you don't call him that.
	Don't call me mister!
	Don't call me mister!
	Don't call me Sasha because I was born in the Ukraine.
	So I don't have any enemies, but I'll do a TV show with a guy who lied about President Trump and the Ukraine call and said, I'm Colonel Vindman, don't call me mister!
	Yeah, right Arnold.
	Oh my god.
	You know what really bugs me?
	When people like that come out of the closet as fascists, commies, whatever, all these Hollywood types, it kind of ruins it for me when I watch their movies afterwards.
	It's like, I love the Princess Bride, and when the whole stinking cast did that charity showing of the movie, to get donations for Biden.
	It's like, you're just a bunch of putzes.
	I mean, read lines.
	You're an actor.
	Okay?
	Otherwise, please do shut up.
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	Don't forget to try and pull up that Jennifer Griffin cut if you get a chance.
	I want to skewer her sometime this week.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	I heard it on... Bongino had it.
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	Son of a...
	You could wish you want them to be on every single day so you can just drink at the fountain of their knowledge and their wisdom, but you can't.
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	An ancient historian extraordinaire, a man with a strategic mind from the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, our good friend, Professor Victor Davis Hanson.
	Professor Hanson, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you for having me, Seth.
	I want to tell a personal anecdote, with your permission, concerning the launch of your book The case for Trump in DC.
	You had a book event.
	I think it was hosted by Hoover or another affiliated organization and I don't think we'd met at the time because this must have been six, seven years ago.
	We'd met electronically and I, you know, like the eager schoolboy, I had my copy of your book that I took to the book launch and I went up to you before the event and I knelt down and I asked you, I just lent in and I said,
	oh could I get an autograph, could I have a dedication? And you looked at me and as you
	were writing you said, quote, if I remember well, if it weren't for him the socialists
	would have won.
	And I tell that story because of this clip that happened outside a New York courthouse last week concerning that man, and it just connects directly.
	Play cut.
	If you see what's happening, this is a railroad.
	It's the beginning of communism in our country.
	When I moved here 15 years ago, Professor, I used to laugh at, I used to make fun of my fellow conservatives who would say, the socialists are here, the communists are coming, and I used to say, oh really?
	Can I talk to you about the scars on my father's body from where he was actually tortured by real communists in a political prison behind the Iron Curtain?
	Professor Hansen, I don't make those quips anymore.
	Have we arrived in your estimation?
	It's hard to know, but I think the country that we're looking at now would have been unimaginable just, say, 15 years ago.
	Nobody believed the FBI would turn into be an arm of the hard left or the media would give up all pretensions of objectivity and announce that and brag about it as they do.
	And I don't think anybody would suggest that all of these prosecutors and special Special counsels would not even take the effort to say they were disinterested.
	Every single one of them has strong left-wing ties of some sort, through marriage, through family, through contributions, and they're proud of it.
	And so we're in a situation where the left has said any means are necessary to achieve the ends of a quality of result society, and that's what they're after.
	And they don't care, even if it boomerangs on them, as we see with the wall, the migration
	destroying blue cities or the crime taking a toll on leftist activists.
	They don't care.
	These are collateral damage to the revolution.
	Do they not care because they're blinded by, they're a hostage to their own ideology, or do they just think it's worth it because it will lead eventually to a hegemonic control of power?
	I think it's the latter.
	I think they feel it's acceptable collateral damage.
	I think they feel that when a blue state mayor or governor says you've got to stop this, These people are overrunning my city, and I can't have any social services for our citizens.
	They think, or they say privately, well, this is a short-term inconvenience, but we're letting in 8 million future constituents that will be very valuable to us, so you're going to have to put up with the collateral damage.
	I think that's the way they look.
	It's a very socialist, Soviet type of attitude that individuals don't matter.
	And as far as these people who have been carjacked, a representative's been carjacked, an activist was killed in Baltimore, killed in New York, killed in Philadelphia, killed in Oakland, they don't seem to be upset.
	They never say, well, this is on us, or we have to adjust.
	They feel, well, these people were noble people, but, you know, they have to break a few eggs to make a leftist omelet.
	So this just happens.
	So let's focus on that individual outside the courthouse for a moment.
	So right now he is the leader of the opposition in establishment polls, Washington Post, ABC.
	He's actually beating the incumbent president.
	He is 40 to 50 points before anybody else amongst the Republicans.
	All of the challenges are in single digits.
	Even the governor of Florida is at 9%.
	So he is the effective leader of the opposition.
	At the same time, he's facing more than 730 years in prison, and this judge has ordered the shuttering of his companies, has issued a gag order on this man.
	Do you see a strategy for this?
	Because my greatest concern...
	With especially a second Trump administration is the lack of a true strategic center, meaning the likes of a Newt Gingrich, the likes of a James Baker, somebody who is the eminence grise, who is the chief of staff, who says, yes, you love America.
	Yes, you're the showman.
	Yes, you've been the most successful Republican president in the 20th century.
	But this is how politics works.
	And this is how they're going to try and shut you down and put you in prison.
	Do you share that concern?
	I do.
	I've been sharing that from the very beginning.
	There's nobody there who says, Mr. President, you're absolutely right to scream at the moon and be angry at this asymmetrical treatment, but we've got to be more strategic.
	If you want to criticize Latita James or Fannie Willis, let's do it with absolute data and facts.
	And quote what she said rather than just getting mad.
	And let's say things that don't give ammunition for them to have a g- An unlawful or maybe an unethical gag order or a confinement to Mar-a-Lago.
	But don't feign surprise or naivety what they're doing.
	These are hardcore activists and they're going to try to put you in prison and make it impossible for you to campaign.
	That's a fact.
	Yeah.
	And you've got to have a strategic agenda to prevent that.
	And you can see your unease is that in a generic poll, Donald Trump and Joe Biden, for that matter, have 52 or 53 percent say they don't want a rematch.
	But when you actually put names in as alternatives to Donald Trump, It's not even close, as you pointed out.
	So the candidate, just to take a Junkin or DeSantis, their challenge is they haven't been able to attack Donald Trump because they felt to do so would be nihilistic.
	But now they're going to be desperate because they have to do something, and they're going to start attacking Donald Trump.
	And we will see what happens when that occurs, because that hasn't happened really yet.
	And will it backfire?
	I don't know what the answer is, and I don't know—when you say you have a concern, half the electorate has a concern that Donald Trump is more than just a victim of a ruined jurisprudence system, and he's more than just a successful ex-president.
	He holds the future The future of any chance to stop this socialist revolution.
	But for whatever reason, fair or not, if he's inert, then that's a concern of everybody.
	So what he says and what his strategy is, is not his alone.
	And they have to find some methodology to stop what's going on and get a viable candidate that can defeat Joe Biden.
	And yet they don't seem, they just look at the polls and they say, well, he's 50 points ahead in the primary and he's running ahead of Joe Biden.
	So it's a done deal without going week by week.
	This is what's going to happen in October.
	This is what's going to happen in November.
	Here's the court dates for December.
	And here's our strategy to circumvent those or to overcome them.
	I don't hear that.
	I don't see any indication they're going to do that.
	I have one more question concerning that and then we'll move on.
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	Professor, we discussed the lack of a strategy for President Trump in responding to the persistent, almost daily, assaults on his civil rights by various different actors at state and at the federal level.
	I'm not making excuses for the President or his team, but I would like to broaden the aperture or to go to a more strategic level.
	There's a friend of mine who has the morning show here in DC on WMAL, an amazing radio host called Chris Plant, and he says one of the greatest achievements of the left in the last two generations is to guarantee that decent Americans, conservatives, would never agree to work in a Republican administration.
	It's just not worth it, given the Alinsky-ite tactics that are employed against you.
	So, I'd like to say there is a paucity, there's a lack of strategic thinking or the great mind sitting next to advising President Trump, but I don't even see that person in politics in general.
	We may have, you know, great former politicians like Newt Gingrich or strategic thinkers in academe like yourself, but in the body politic of the conservative establishment, there are no James Bakers anymore.
	Am I being too harsh?
	No, but I think it even transcends politics.
	It's true in academia.
	94% of my colleagues at Stanford University have donated.
	When they donate, they donate to Democratic politics.
	It's like indemnity insurance.
	The left comes to you and says, if you're one of us and you get charged with sexual harassment, or you say a misplaced word, or you get in trouble, or you're under controversy, we don't care.
	We protect you.
	We have the institutions.
	We have the media.
	We have K-12.
	We have the academic world.
	We have the foundations.
	We have the corporate boardroom.
	We have entertainment.
	We have professional sports.
	We can create an echo chamber.
	However, if you're an apostate, you don't have any abdominal insurance.
	We won't go after you and destroy you.
	Now, what are the necessary adjustments that you will make given that reality?
	And for a lot of people, it's, I don't want the hassle.
	So I'm either going to be quiet or I'm going to join the left, even though it's abhorrent to me.
	And that's why I think academics and authors and celebrities and
	politicians and people in Washington and the administrative state, they make those proverbial
	necessary adjustments.
	We see it with Supreme Court justice, too.
	How many Democratic Supreme Court justices become apostates and turn conservative?
	Almost none.
	How many Republicans turn left or centrist?
	A lot.
	Yeah.
	Can I just be a little bit more brutal?
	It's not indemnity.
	It's not insurance.
	It's racketeering.
	It's the mobster who says, it would be a shame if the windows of your store got broken in after dark today, wouldn't it?
	If you give me a hundred bucks every week, they won't be broken in.
	So it's really, it's political racketeering, isn't it?
	I think so.
	What if, just to take two isolated examples, what if Donald Trump had a dog and this dog has bitten 12 people and we're told that he has been rough with the dog?
	Or what if Donald Trump, when you saw that clip, turned around to a young girl and blew in her hair or tried to nibble her ear?
	That would be the end of Donald Trump.
	And yet we know the President of the United States is completely immune from any type of consequence for that behavior which he engages in.
	And that's because of these institutions.
	Can we look at the other side for a moment?
	So we have a lack of strategic thinking or strategic actors.
	And I don't want to belittle what the left has achieved with the long march through the institutions and the Gramsciite takeover.
	But I do see it may be a ray of hope that I don't see the descendants of the Frankfurt School.
	I don't see the Marcuse's of today.
	I don't see the Rudi Dutschke's or the Saul Alinsky's.
	They're parroting The instructions of a dead generation of big thinkers on the left, but do you see a great mind?
	I see people who fund it like George Soros, but do you see really big thinkers on the left who will save this enterprise when they start eating each other?
	No, because they're never constructive thinkers.
	So when you were talking about the 60s or the 70s, where these people operated within, they didn't have the controls of government.
	They didn't have the House.
	They didn't have the Senate.
	They didn't have the Supreme Court.
	They didn't have the president.
	They didn't have these institutions yet.
	And so they were just barking at the moon, so to speak.
	Now, they do have the institutions, and until recently, they had all the powers of government.
	And maybe they do in the House.
	We don't know.
	We're not using that eight representative majority very well.
	But my point is, when you're asked to do something constructive, like have a sensible border policy, or stop the crime, or stop the inflation, or lower the interest rates perhaps, or have a fuel or energy, but they can't do it because they're not They're not invested in helping the country.
	They don't believe that the United States is exceptional and is a good force in the world and they're going to do all they can to improve the laws.
	They're nihilist and so they're very clever and they're very Ingenious nihilists.
	But as constructivists, here in California, they can't build a dam.
	They can't.
	The voters gave them $3 billion.
	They said, please build some dams so we have water during a drought.
	But destroy dams?
	They're destroying four dams on the Klamath River with no environmental obstacles at all.
	They've already blown up three of them.
	Very quickly.
	They're very good at that.
	With that destructive impetus that is Gene-coded into their political philosophy.
	Does that sow the seeds for their eventual destruction?
	Because sooner or later, you've got to actually create stuff.
	You can't just burn down.
	Is that good for us?
	Yeah, it is.
	Because you look at the Biden agenda.
	Biden agenda, border 77% pull against the economy, 65%.
	Crime, 66 percent.
	Energy, 55 percent.
	They have no majority support on any of these issues, with the exception of maybe abortion, if the poll question is phrased in a way that they find useful.
	So they don't have popular support, and people see that they're nihilists.
	And so what they're relying on right now is what I would call anti-democratic means.
	They want to change the way people vote for 70, 80 percent not voting on Election Day.
	They want to use the courts to interfere with the ballot process.
	They want to get Donald Trump off the ballots in as many states as they can.
	And they look at process.
	These institutions don't serve their immediate purposes than discuss packing the court, get rid of the Electoral College, get rid of the filibuster, change the way we vote, get rid of voter ID.
	And I think the Republicans or conservatives or traditionalists, and they'll say the system works pretty well.
	It's got a few rough spots, so we'll just have to try harder within the accepted Sidelines.
	For the left, there are no sidelines.
	Everything is negotiable.
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	You mentioned this crucial point that very few, I think only Kurt Schlichter, in addition to yourself, has written extensively on it.
	This idea of the quality of the institutions and respecting the institutions and saying we play, we color within the lines and we play by Marquess of Queensbury rules.
	You are a historian.
	What happens to a republic when the institutions themselves that practice power No longer function per the values they were founded upon.
	What options are left to those who become the targets of those institutions?
	Whether you're a former president, or you're a pro-life minister in Philadelphia, Or whether you're a rioter who wasn't even in Washington, D.C.
	on January the 6th, but gets a 22-year custodial sentence.
	Does it have to be civil war, Professor Hanson?
	Or is there any other remedial action open to those who don't want to see the nation torn asunder?
	It doesn't have to be civil war, but the response is kind of a dilemma.
	So, in the conservative viewpoint, you have two choices.
	You can emulate the tactics of the left and politicize and weaponize the government to go after them the way they had gone after you, or you can be high-minded and noble and say, if we were to get into this downwards tit-for-tat cycle, it'll destroy the republic.
	But it's all predicated on getting power.
	You have to get back in power.
	And then you have to restore these institutions and win over the majority of Americans by not emulating the tactics that they did.
	And yet, you have to have some deterrence so they know they can't do that anymore.
	And that's the fine line between achieving deterrence and paying back kind for kind and therefore destroying further any chance of restoration.
	It's very hard to do.
	I'm very upset about this fight about the Speaker because they have a thin margin of error.
	They only have half or one third of government, and they have a golden opportunity with this bankrupt Biden administration to win the Senate, to win the House, to get a 55% win in the presidency.
	They have the Supreme Court, more or less, on most cases.
	They could really stop this socialist revolution and restore the integrity and the values of this country.
	But if they fight and they don't understand that this is not the Democratic Party of Bill Clinton or JFK or Harry Truman, these are Jacobin, to use that French revolutionary term, these are holistic revolutionary.
	Everything is up for grabs with them, whether it's the foundational date or the number of genders.
	It's a revolution that entails every aspect of our lives.
	We haven't seen this before in our lifetime.
	But don't you think last week's argument over the speaker and the historic removal, aren't they simply aftershocks or echoes and reverberations of 2016?
	I mean, the actions taken by Gates are very reflexive, are they not, of what we could call the MAGA base and just dissatisfaction with the last nine months.
	If you see the border and maybe 30 million illegals and you see what has the power of the purse brought us in the House, isn't the dissatisfaction understandable?
	It is, but let's just transcend MAGA or non-MAGA, and look at the Republican Party, they have lost 7 out of the last 8 popular votes, including 2016.
	They have not had 51% of the vote since George H.W.
	Bush, of all people, beat Dukakis and unleashed Lee Atwater.
	And so, whatever the particular ideology is, they have not been able to overcome The institutional power of the left.
	Yeah.
	And so what I'm saying is they have a thin margin of error.
	And whether we like it or not, to stop this socialist agenda, you have to have unity in the Republican Party.
	And unfortunately, there are rhinos, there are centrists, there are Romneyites, there's neoconservatives, and there's paleoconservatives and MAGA.
	But you have to find some way of saying that as much as we disagree, We are all far more in line than the opposition is with us.
	And we have to stick together or hang separately.
	And they don't get that message.
	And the other thing very quickly, Seb, is they had the House, and they had the Senate, and they had the presidency in 2017.
	And we ran up a $600 billion pre-COVID debt.
	in 17 and 18 and 19, more than that.
	And we had it with George W. Bush in 2001.
	In fact, he inherited a balanced budget.
	And what did we do?
	We spent ourselves into oblivion.
	So when Matt Gaetz says, I'm here to address fiscal integrity,
	you want to say to Matt, well, it's a larger question than right now, Matt.
	It's how do you get power?
	And when you do get it, you don't do what we have been doing with it.
	And that is printing money.
	Yeah, correct.
	Absolutely.
	It's not just the current situation, it's what we've been on CRs and omnibus spending since the 1990s.
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	We don't take an oath to a tribe!
	We don't take an oath to a religion!
	We don't take an oath to a king, or a queen, or to a tyrant, or a dictator, and we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator.
	That's the angriest I've ever heard, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and he was talking about his former commander-in-chief.
	At his outgoing ceremony a week ago, labeling him a wannabe dictator, which is strange because he served him and if he thought he was a dictator or a wannabe dictator, it would have been incumbent upon him to resign.
	But of course not, that's not what he did because he was a political animal.
	Professor Hanson, you spoke about How we come out of where we are today with the institutional capture by the left of Department of Justice, FBI, on and on and on.
	Here's my... As somebody who spent 15 years in a post-dictatorial country, the land of my parents, and realized the deep destruction wrought on that nation by 40 years of communism that I tried in my modest way to counterbalance for 15 years but then I realized this deep, this rod has gone into the marrow of a society.
	Here's my challenge.
	If, God willing, if we do our part and say President Trump comes back and we try to reset the Republic We must not be tempted to do what the left has done, which is to weaponize government for political purposes.
	But when I look at countries like Hungary or South Africa or elsewhere, Where there isn't some settling of scores, and I don't mean in the sense of revenge, I mean in the sense of justice must be seen to be done, in a few key cases, this was the lustration of the Czech Republic, of Poland, then we don't fix anything and it just becomes cyclical and vicious and we literally become a Latin American quote-unquote banana republic.
	So is it not A non-negotiable requirement that the likes of Milley, who took treasonous actions with General Li in China, saying, I will warn you if my boss wants to go to war with China.
	Or the likes of Brennan and Comey, who used the CIA and the FBI as literal political police entities.
	If these people, at least just a handful of them, don't face Legal and judicial consequences.
	We haven't solved anything by winning an election.
	Would you agree?
	Yeah, as long as it's in the institutional framework.
	So, you mentioned some names.
	I don't know what the statute of limitations are on particular crimes, but when John Brennan lied twice under oath, and when James Clapper lied under oath, and both admitted they did.
	There should have been consequences.
	Is it too late to indict them?
	I don't know.
	If it wasn't too late and the statutes have not expired, yes.
	Mark Milley violated the chain of command.
	It's not lawful for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to interfere with the communications between a theater commander and the defense secretary.
	That's a statute.
	It's not lawful for, under our treasonous statutes, for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs
	to call his Chinese counterpart and warn him that in terms of a crisis on the horizon,
	that he would first contact him.
	And it's not lawful for an existing president, which Donald Trump was in 2020, for retired
	four-star generals, there were about eight of them, who variously called their commander-in-chief
	in violation of Statute 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice to call him a liar,
	a Nazi, a Mussolini.
	That should have all been actionable, and it wasn't.
	So for Mark Milley to stand up there When he's violated at least two or three statutes, and to do so with impunity, I think just encourages more lawlessness.
	So if you have Anthony Fauci and he's under oath and he looks Rand Paul in the eye and he says, I did not fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan, that's a demonstrable lie.
	And so there's no repercussions.
	And James Comey feigning amnesia on 245 occasions under oath before the Intelligence House Committee?
	Yes.
	So as long as the institutions are there, and you make the case that you are not being selective, that you're going to start enforcing across the board Anybody who goes before Congress or to a federal investigator and lies, or any officer that disrupts unlawfully the chain of command, or any officer who contacts, without the authority of the Commander-in-Chief, a counterpart in a belligerent nation, any of these things should have been actionable.
	And I don't know, I guess your question is, are they actionable after the fact of two, three, four years?
	I don't know that answer.
	But you have to have a deterrent.
	You have to have a deterrent.
	Right.
	So it has to happen.
	Yes, you have to have a deterrent, and it cannot be an extra legal deterrent.
	You have to say, we're going to enforce the laws.
	And we don't care upon who that falls.
	Your latest book, The Dying Citizen, speaks to the fabric of the nation outside of institutions, the culture, the question of open borders.
	Say we can have the deterrence.
	Say key individuals are prosecuted under the statute of limitations.
	All well and good.
	But can we undo what has happened to America in the last three years?
	Because we know six million that we know of.
	It could be twenty, it could be thirty.
	Can we re-engineer or re-inculcate a culture of America where citizenship has become so diluted it seems to be without content?
	I think you can.
	If you were If the Republican president, whoever it might be, were to finish the wall, and they would go down to Mexico and say, we were returning to a relationship we had, and refugees will be applying for that status in Mexico, and there will be no more catch and release, and the border patrol will follow existing federal immigration law.
	And if your citizens came illegally into the United States, And the second thing they did was reside illegally.
	They will be deported.
	And there may be 8 million of them, from what I understand.
	If you were to do that, would it be traumatic?
	Maybe, but not as traumatic as destruction of immigration laws.
	So I guess we could do that.
	And if you did that, I think Mexico would get the message.
	And they wouldn't encourage that.
	Because after all, they're after $60 million in foreign exchange remittances by their own citizens once they get here.
	And they use it as a safety valve so people march on the border rather than Mexico City.
	So it's a win-win-win-win, and when you add in the fentanyl and the money the cartels make and contribute to the Mexican economy, they don't see any downside.
	And that's why Trump was very astute to see that the answer was to go down to Mexico And tell them that they either patrol their border or they were going to suffer repercussions that wouldn't be worth it in a cost-to-benefit analysis.
	And it worked.
	And we could do it easily again.
	This is an unusually optimistic interview with our friend Professor Hanson.
	He says we can fix the situation in D.C.
	and we can even fix the situation with regards to American citizenship.
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	One last question that may not seem obvious, but I think it ties very directly to your latest book, The Dying Citizen, that everybody listening to the show should have a copy of.
	We're seeing some very interesting data, Professor, on President Trump, minorities, and especially black males in America.
	We've seen since the late 1960s, 1970s, a kind of locked-in political plantation for Democrats concerning the black vote.
	Is it possible, and I know you live in an incredibly ethnically heterogeneous part of California, is it possible that that stranglehold the left has on the minority vote could be cracking because of what President Trump represents in terms of an alpha male, as in terms of a man persecuted by overzealous political prosecutors?
	Could there be some kind of potential tectonic shift?
	I think there is.
	It doesn't have to be much, because the Democratic Party has destroyed its traditional white working class base.
	And white males vote almost over 60 percent in most elections, anti-democratic.
	So they have been pandering to minority communities to get astounding rates of subservience, 90 percent of blacks, 75 percent of Hispanics.
	They need that.
	That's a razor thin—they consider that the minimum.
	So if you could get the Black vote down to 80 percent or the Hispanic vote down to 50 percent, it would be catastrophic.
	And I think there is, especially among Latino males and Black males, there's one other element in that calculus, and that is When you hear the bi-coastal, largely white elite and very elite minority people that work with that white elite, they're not necessarily—they don't come across as average people.
	They don't come across as empathetic.
	They lecture, they sermonize, they dictate, they talk down to people, and they're hypocritical, whether it's climate change or charter schools or you name it.
	And they're never subject to the consequences of their own ideology.
	When they spike gas prices or they ban natural gas, that falls on poor people or middle-class people.
	And they get the impression, increasingly, these people don't care.
	They're arrogant.
	They're ideologues.
	And that comes across personally when you talk to them.
	I'm speaking as someone who, you know, works on the Stanford campus.
	And when you see these people, And you talk to them, they come across as unconcerned with anybody but themselves.
	They're selfish, narcissistic people.
	And I think a lot of people are starting to sense, personally, that they don't like the atmosphere that these people inhabit.
	They don't like the landscape, the environment these people operate within.
	They don't like to be told what to do, and especially by people they feel are not very versatile or equipped to deal with the real world.
	Last question.
	It can pertain to that segment of political messaging to minorities or the border or national security.
	I know President Trump values your advice very highly in your analysis.
	What would be the most important thing to have him say or change stylistically, so content or style,
	in the last 13 months.
	Many people say he shouldn't talk about himself and what's happening to him, but broaden the aperture.
	He shouldn't talk about 2020, although I think if you don't have transparent elections going forward,
	then you don't have anything.
	So is there something that you would like to see more of or something you'd like to see less of
	when it comes to political communication?
	I think what you said is pretty right on.
	I think a lot of people, they don't mind a reference to 2020, but only in the context of constructive change.
	We're going to do our best to ensure that Election Day is restored to primacy.
	And we had a problem in the past, but I'm not going to get into it.
	Here's what we're going to do in 2024.
	This is what they're trying to do, and this is why we're going to stop them.
	That kind of stuff.
	And here is a contract for America that I'm going to do in the first 90 days.
	This is going to get enacted.
	But I have to win the House and the Senate.
	And that means that sometimes we're going to have to support candidates on the conservative side that may not agree with me totally.
	And that's fine, because we are going to win.
	We need to get the power to stop this revolution.
	And then I think, privately, somebody's got to tell him They want you to do what you're doing right now.
	When you attack the prosecutor, when you attack the judge, when you attack—the whole process is crooked.
	You can do that, but you can't get personal and get into the territory of obstruction of justice or gag orders, et cetera, et cetera.
	So you've got to be very smart, because whether you like it or not, you're going to be in front of a jury except for this one case.
	And these juries are listening to what you say and how it reverberates.
	So you've got to protect yourself, and you cannot continue to shoot from the hip about this injustice.
	And he would say to me, and you or anybody who'd given that advice, well, of course you can say that, because you're not being destroyed systematically.
	And I understand that.
	And I even would say I couldn't go through one week of what he's going through.
	But for him to be viable, And I mean viable, out on the campaign trail.
	He's got to be a lot more careful and strategic about the messaging that he has vis-a-vis these judges and prosecutors.
	You've got to get even rather than get mad, is what I'm saying.
	I remember the title of the book in the 1970s, Don't Get Mad, Get Even.
	We're injecting a bit of popular culture.
	I think I know where I'm sending this interview as soon as we have the video link.
	I think we're going to send it to Mar-a-Lago.
	We've been talking to Professor Victor Davis Hanson, one of your favorite interviews here on America First.
	The professor's website is victorhansen.com.
	The subscription service is The Blade of Perseus.
	Follow him at VD Hansen.
	And don't forget the podcast Scholars and Sense, which he co-hosts with our other friend Lord Black and Bill Bennett.
	And of course, his latest book, The Dying Citizen.
	You've been listening to America First one-on-one with me, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to the 45th President of the United States.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, keep your head on a swivel, watch your six, hold the line, never give up, never give in, and stay frosty.

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