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	So, I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop. And I'm going to go ahead and start the game.
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	...
	you If I give you one message to hold in your hearts today, it's this.
	Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
	Relish the opportunity to be an outsider because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference.
	The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, The more certain you should be, that you must keep pushing ahead.
	You must keep pushing forward.
	That's an older video from President Trump.
	It resurfaced yesterday.
	I think it's all the more relevant.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	You're listening to America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gawker, former strategist to the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, who was an outsider.
	He may have been a billionaire from New York, but he was still the kid from Queens who came to this festering, stinking city with one objective in mind.
	And for one reason, the political system was broke.
	There was a uniparty and the American people, especially the hard-working American people, had been betrayed by those in power.
	Their jobs had been outsourced, their interests had been diluted, to a point where the elite had no connection to the people they represented and they did what they wished.
	He's still an outsider.
	That's the great irony of the man who made history by being the first person to ever run for the highest office in the land without ever holding another public office and winning the first time he did so.
	And despite winning, He remains an outsider.
	An individual detested by the powers that be, whether it's the established political parties on both the left and the right, or whether it's the permanent bureaucracy that thinks they get to decide the course of the nation, irrespective of who happens to be sitting at the resolute desk in the Oval Office.
	And that's why they must destroy him.
	So much so that yesterday, an innocent man, an individual called Olivera, who is the head of maintenance for Mar-a-Lago, was arraigned.
	He was charged with crimes that could lead to him spending more than 400 years in prison.
	What was his sin?
	He was somebody who worked for President Trump.
	As part of the ongoing farrago of incessant indictments from the special counsel, an honest man, a member of the Hispanic minority, had to put $100,000 on the booking sergeant's desk to be allowed out on bail.
	That's what the left has become.
	The party of the downtrodden, the party of the minority, the party of the working man is prepared to destroy the life of an innocent Hispanic working man.
	First it was the President's butler, Walt Nauta.
	Now it's his head of maintenance.
	Why?
	Because they're associated.
	with the outsider who must be destroyed.
	On the other side of the judicial coin we have a convicted felon, a man who is about to begin serving his prison sentence for bilking monies from a Native Indian Native American tribe.
	Testified behind closed doors yesterday to the corruption Of Hunter Biden and his family.
	To the fact that on more than 20 occasions, the then Vice President, not a private citizen, the then Vice President, took calls with, had dinner with, the business partners of Hunter Biden.
	To quote unquote, as he says it, sell the brand.
	What brand?
	The Biden brand.
	And the left is now desperate to justify those more than twenty occasions of clear, clear corruption.
	Here we have the scion of the Levi Strauss family, the representative from New York, an individual who, I really don't know how he looks at himself in the mirror every day, explaining Why Joe Biden took those calls that we've been told for two years now he never took?
	Here is Congressman Daniel Goldman of New York, cut 19.
	So to confirm, you're saying that the speakerphone conversations, they don't seem concerning to you because there is no specifics about business?
	And it just seemed like it was clear that it was clear that it was part of the daily conversations that Hunter Biden had with his father.
	And it was and and sounds like most of the time.
	Now President Biden didn't even know who the people he was at dinner.
	He was just asked to say hello.
	And he would, you know, talk about the way he described it several times.
	They asked over and over and over.
	He described what the weather was, how, what's going on on your end.
	The witness was very Did you hear what he just said?
	None of those conversations ever had to do with any business dealings or transactions.
	They were purely what he called casual conversation.
	You do you what he just said?
	The vice president had dinner with Hunter Biden's business partners and spoke about
	the weather.
	Because if a vice president, if Spiro Agnew, if George Bush Sr., Reagan's vice president,
	sat down with their son's business partners for two hours, for three hours, of course
	they wouldn't know who they're talking to and they'd be talking about the weather.
	That's what you're supposed to believe.
	Not only that, you're supposed to forget what Joe Biden said in 2019 during the debates in Iowa.
	Here's a reminder, because the internet is forever.
	Joe Biden, cut five.
	Mr. Vice President, how many times have you ever spoken to your son about his overseas business dealings?
	I've never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.
	And so how do you know?
	Here's what I know.
	I know Trump deserves to be investigated.
	He is violating every basic norm of a president.
	You should be asking him the question, why is he on the phone with a foreign leader, trying to intimidate a foreign leader, if that's what happened.
	That appears what happened.
	You should be looking at Trump.
	Trump's doing this because he knows I'll beat him like a drum and he's using the abuse of power and every element of the presidency to try to do something to smear me.
	Everybody looked at this and everybody's looked at it said there's nothing there.
	Ask the right questions.
	Okay, but if you've never spoken to your son...
	Depending on what the House finds, he could be impeached, but I'm not making that judgment now.
	The House should investigate it.
	The House should investigate it.
	Aye.
	Never spoke to my son about his business dealings.
	Trump made a phone call to the President of the Ukraine.
	Yeah, he did.
	And you tried to have him impeached for that.
	A call to investigate your corruption that we now know happened.
	Why you blackmailed Kiev to the tune of one billion dollars.
	Unless they fired the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, the company that gave your son a no-show $83,000 a month job.
	We've only just begun.
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	We didn't put that call on Facebook.
	Or, I mean, you and Leroy doing that.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	I just went all the way back.
	There's a video from that day.
	It's just a phone caller.
	How's there a video if the YouTube is next?
	What do you mean?
	You found a video from that day?
	No, we used to just post direct videos to Facebook all the time, which I figured we would have, like...
	I sent you two images...
	Okay.
	They're blank texts to me.
	I'm not seeing any images.
	I'll show you what I see.
	And if you tap on it?
	No.
	It just looks like this.
	Well, try again.
	File issue.
	Um... Now?
	No, same thing.
	Alright, I'm gonna email them to you.
	Okay.
	They're saying you could do more than one show tonight if, uh, if you want.
	Okay, good.
	So, they said preferences, Higby, because it's closer, and then if the news drops, you can do 7pm with Rob.
	Yep.
	Alright.
	Correct.
	Is she calling us?
	Thank you.
	Jeff.
	Dialing her and she's not answering.
	Food for the poor?
	Yep.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Do you need these images for this segment?
	Uh, just the first one.
	Okay.
	Checking my email.
	No, not yet.
	I have to attach it first.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Updating the calendar.
	Come on!
	Bloody Gmail.
	Okay.
	7pm hour.
	Alright, sent.
	Yep.
	Keeping an eye on it.
	It looks like we're going to have to post a new video.
	Okay.
	Kill the mics, Alex.
	part times.
	It's a great way to get to know your students.
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	All right, thank you guys. The reaction to what Dan Goldman said yesterday about 20 calls at dinners,
	Biden didn't say anything, talked about the weather, well he has been lambasted and sometimes
	in a humorous fashion of course.
	Greg Gutfeld is one of the best, one of the few good people left at Fox.
	And this is what he had to say on The Five after that press conference cut 16.
	If they only talked about the weather, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky were only playing Yahtzee, alright?
	Jeffrey Epstein was just running an orphanage on that island.
	It is funny because Listen to that guy, Goldman, that idiot, say that it's preposterous.
	No one in their entire existence, anybody who's had a career, has ever had an employee or anybody call their dad in a meeting.
	No.
	It's never happened.
	It doesn't even, I don't even remember happening in high school or college.
	It's just the weirdest thing.
	But this is a guy, that's what he did for a living.
	He made it rain using his dad's influence.
	Yeah.
	We know what it's all about.
	When he was lambasted, Dan Goldman realized, and then he put a new spin on it later yesterday on MSNBC.
	Cut six.
	Let's put this in context.
	Beau Biden got very sick in early 2015.
	He died in the spring of 2015, which was right in the middle when Devin Archer had his business dealings with Hunter Biden.
	At that point, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden began to speak every day because they were both devastated by Bo's death.
	They spoke every day.
	The witness testified that over his 10-year relationship with Hunter Biden, there may be approximately 20 times when in one of those conversations, Hunter Biden would put his father at a dinner, not at a business meeting, at a dinner that he was having if he happened to get a hold of his father.
	And would ask his father to say hello to whoever was at the table.
	So first we went from never discussed business with my son, you should investigate Donald Trump, to yes, he did it more than 20 times, but they talked about the weather, to later the same night saying it's because Beau Biden was dying.
	Do we buy any of this?
	Will there be any consequences?
	Let's talk to somebody who understands the weaponization of the government because she's on that committee investigating it.
	Florida's third congressional district representative.
	She's my selfie buddy!
	Do we have that photograph of me and Kat Cammack?
	Yeah, she's my selfie buddy.
	She does the best selfies.
	Congresswoman Cammack, it's been a while.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hey, it's good to see you, my friend.
	We have way more selfies than that, though.
	Oh, we do!
	I don't want to flood the airwaves with our selfies.
	We've got to reserve something.
	It's a three-hour show.
	Come on.
	You don't give away all the good stuff at the beginning.
	Please tell us your response to the never spoke business, did it 20 times, it was about the weather, and it's because my son was dying.
	Are there going to be any ramifications?
	What is the GOP going to do with this new evidence?
	Listen, I don't think anyone believes that, and I'll use one of Biden's words, the malarkey that is coming out of the White House at this point in time.
	It went from, we've never talked business, we've never had any knowledge or workings of the dealings, there's never been any kind of contact with this, to he was never talking about business, but he may have been in the room.
	It's evolving, clearly, because all the White House knows how to do is try to cover its tracks.
	You've heard me say it before.
	They need to hire Mr. Clean as their spokesperson because Biden comes out, says one thing, and then they have to come back later and clean it up.
	As far as what happens next, we have seen the shenanigans play out with this soap opera for not months, but years.
	So think about this.
	Just recently, After getting a sweetheart plea deal, someone who had a rap sheet, Hunter Biden, that goes back 35 years to the year that I was born.
	35 years long is his rap sheet.
	And he gets a sweetheart plea deal when he evaded taxes for six years, he only had to cop to two.
	Then he had a diversion program that he never would have been eligible for had he not been the president's son.
	And We see this judge say, hmm, this might be interesting.
	Let's get all the evidence.
	So Chairman Smith of the Ways and Means Committee sends over all of the documents from the IRS whistleblowers.
	I happened to be sitting with Chairman Smith at dinner the night that the court called and said, you guys withdrew your amicus brief.
	What's the deal?
	And they said, no, we didn't.
	And when the judge tracked back the number for the clerk who pretended to be part of Jason Smith's legal team, it actually turned out that that number was traced back Let's unpack that a little bit longer.
	We connected late to you.
	Can you stay on for one more segment?
	Absolutely.
	All right, follow her right now.
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	That's K-A-T, Rep Kat Kamek.
	Kamek.house.gov from Florida's 3rd Congressional District.
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	We are dialing her right now.
	In the meantime, we will play this incredible...
	Cut from Joseph Lemire on MSNBC and it probably goes to the heart of the matter.
	Oh good, she's back.
	Congresswoman, let's get you, since you're on the Weaponization Committee, you've talked about what we heard yesterday from Devin Archer, to react to this cut from MSNBC which really goes to the heart of the matter.
	Cut nine, play cut.
	The Times have been remarkably candid about saying, we don't have it yet.
	And even House Speaker McCarthy last week sort of pushed back against this impeachment inquiry momentum because he was like, look, we don't have evidence to go that far.
	And as far as Hunter Biden goes, there's no doubt.
	I mean, it's pretty clear even those close to the Biden family suggest that some of his behavior was pretty unseemly.
	That doesn't make it illegal.
	And it also means we don't know the role that than Vice President Biden may have played.
	And it seems like no, they haven't proven that he had anything to do with it.
	They haven't proved that he profited from this at all.
	Yet, maybe he is guilty of turning a blind eye to some of his son's behavior.
	We should put this in context.
	This is a time when Beau Biden, the president's other son, was ill and then dying and then
	passed away.
	So perhaps he was not as attentive to what he should have been here.
	But again, there has simply been no evidence, Gene Robbins, no evidence at all that he was
	profiting from this or he or that either of them committed a crime.
	So, we know what happened when President Trump had a completely correct phone call with the President of Ukraine saying, can you get to the bottom of corruption allegations, please just investigate them.
	He was impeached for a second time.
	What is it going to take for you, for Kevin McCarthy, To get to that level of impeachment action, do we need to have, you know, a fax?
	Do we need to have an email?
	I'm Joe Biden, send me the 10 million now and then a deposit for 10 million.
	What are we waiting for?
	Well, I mean, it's pretty clear, just listening to that clip, how far they are reaching to try to obscure the fact that, yes, Hunter Biden is guilty.
	There is influence peddling going on here.
	And why this is so relevant to everyday Americans today, and I just want to tie this in because, Sebastian, you mentioned weaponization.
	We have a damning report with evidence that the Ukrainian SBU, their intelligence service, demanded of the American FBI to take down social media posts of Americans, including the United States State Department, that the Ukrainian government found unseemly.
	Okay, let's just wind that back.
	That is a foreign government in which the right board that Hunter Biden sat on, that we have now sent $113 million to the Ukrainian government for this war.
	They are now dictating terms to American citizens about what we can and cannot say.
	That is why we keep talking about the weaponization of government and why this is so damning for Joe Biden.
	He was not in the room, not only in the room, But he knew about this.
	You don't have 20 shell companies for the fun of it.
	There is absolutely a paper trail.
	But as you said, and this is why it's so important, we saw the sham impeachment of President Trump.
	We saw how they had a predetermined outcome before they had all the evidence.
	And I'm telling you, there is far more out there that we need to uncover.
	I think impeachment is imminent, but we want to make sure that this is the most ironclad case so that even Democrats have a hard time refuting it.
	They should be very, very scared for what's about to come out, because the more that comes out about Hunter, the more it gets into dangerous waters for Joe Biden.
	So you say impeachment is imminent.
	What are we talking, weeks?
	You know, I don't know to put a timeline on it.
	I serve on the Weaponization Committee.
	You have the Judiciary Committee as well as the Oversight Committee conducting their independent analysis.
	Not to mention Ways and Means Committee, which is also doing their work to uncover all of the IRS investigations.
	So you have multiple entities at work trying to get to the bottom of the various elements of this corruption. And it is so far and so wide
	that you really do need that many committees to keep digging.
	So I think that we have to be mindful that yes, there is a timeline,
	but no one's resting on their laurels. I don't know of a single person in Washington who is not on the impeachment
	train.
	We all are of the mindset that we need to have all of the evidence in the bag first.
	All right. We just want that train to arrive at the destination.
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	There was one clip that went viral outside of Dan Goldman's lying to America from yesterday's closed-door hearing with Devin Archer.
	It's a man who speaks his truth, and he did it yesterday.
	Let's listen to Andy Biggs, cut three.
	Do you think the President of the United States is compromised based on Archer's testimony?
	I think so.
	I think so.
	And we'll continue to do our due diligence and our research.
	On the phone calls, Dan Goldman told us that all of the times that Joe Biden was put on speakerphone or show up at a dinner, there was always niceties, nothing about his experience.
	Yeah, but he probably forgot to tell you that Devin Archer himself said that was an implication of who the big guy is.
	I mean, and Archer talked about the big guy and Hunter Biden always said, we need to talk to my guy.
	We need to see when my guy is going to be here.
	President Biden is compromised.
	Let's talk to the man.
	He's at the border right now.
	We're delighted for him to make time for us.
	Thank you, Congressman Andy Biggs.
	Seb, it's good to be with you.
	All right, biggest takeaway, there's this phrase that's been floating around after your hearing with Devin Archer of the Biden brand.
	Tell us what America learned yesterday.
	So Devin, I think that he and his attorney coined it right there in the deposition yesterday.
	He called it the Biden brand, and it's what gave them the edge as they were trying to get clients.
	And make money.
	And the Biden brand, as he told me, was not just anybody in the Biden family.
	It wasn't Dr. Joe.
	It wasn't Brother Jim.
	It was Joe Biden himself.
	And so he gave two very important things that I think people need to understand.
	Number one, he said that Burisma would have gone under much sooner If not for the involvement of the Biden brand.
	And again, who was the Biden brand?
	Joe Biden.
	Involvement of Joe Biden.
	Second thing is, he said, when pressed a little bit, he wasn't pressed very hard, but you know, he said this, the Biden brand gave Burisma, made people know that there could be no legal Um, attack if you will on Burisma because of the Biden brand.
	In other words, it was protection.
	So, uh, you, the Democrats can spin it all they want, but the reality is, uh, Joe Biden was invoked to provide protection and, and five days after, um, Hunter Biden called his father at the request of the CEO of Burisma, Joe Biden shows up in Ukraine, holds a billion dollars of taxpayer money hostage in exchange for getting Shulkin, Victor Shulkin, the prosecutor general of Ukraine, removed from his position when Shulkin was investigating Burisma.
	So quid pro quo, delivered on.
	All right, so the Democrat response to all of that indicting indebtedness was that it wasn't really access to the Vice President, to Joe Biden.
	It was the illusion of access.
	Well, whether you're selling access or the illusion of access, you're still selling something which is criminal.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I mean, that also, I think that was because the Democrats coined that phrase after the damaging testimony.
	Of Hunter, uh, excuse me, of Devin Archer.
	So they said, well, you weren't really selling access.
	I mean, because Devin Archer was basically saying he was black box, that he didn't really know, uh, the full extent of Joe Biden's involvement.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So, so then that's when they come in and say, well, he was, you were just, you guys were just selling the illusion, but consistent with every other pieces of information we have, they were not just selling the illusion.
	They were providing access.
	So for instance, uh, uh, uh, you bring in the, uh, former or excuse me, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.
	And she sends a bunch of money to these guys and somehow $3.5 million gets siphoned off.
	But who, who happened to be showing up there right after that transfer?
	Joe Biden goes to dinner with them.
	And this is the type of thing where you say, well, it's the illusion of access.
	No, no.
	He's there.
	He's responding.
	He went to dinner with who?
	It's a Russian name.
	I can't really... You mean the widow of the corrupt mayor of Moscow?
	That's correct.
	Wow.
	OK, so what happens next, Congressman?
	What happens now?
	We just had Kat Kamik from the Weaponization Committee.
	She thinks impeachment is imminent.
	We hear other things from Nancy Mace and others.
	What is your expectation?
	Will the GOP take this evidence to an inquiry?
	It needs to go first to an impeachment inquiry to do this correctly.
	Impeachment inquiry would give the Judiciary Committee greater teeth A broader scope and more authority to subpoena in people.
	So there are people that are currently former Hunter Biden, uh.
	Business partners who who are in prison right now for one thing or another.
	And we need to get those people and we need to get their testimony as well.
	So you have this broader inquiry with more authority and then, um.
	Then you would have a vote for the whole body.
	Alright, we're out of time.
	I know you have to get back to your border mission.
	Will you talk to us when you're back from the border, Congressman?
	You betcha.
	Happy to do it anytime, sir.
	All right.
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	The other thing is we don't really want to use B-roll as chyrons for the other network.
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	This is Victor.
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	On AM 570.
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	Okay.
	What does Donald Trump, Martin Luther King, and Nelson Mandela have in common?
	I don't know.
	You tell me, Victor.
	Okay, Donald Trump started the MAGA movement.
	Martin Luther King started the civil rights movement.
	Donald Trump is trying to save America and the Democrats want to put him in jail.
	Nelson Mandela tried to save his country and he was jailed.
	I like it.
	Thank you for your historic comparison.
	That will give me much food for thought.
	Let's go to Louisville.
	Ben lied too.
	I said, enjoy your show.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Uh, yeah.
	Say, I don't know if this, uh, politicians are under the same rules as civil servants, but I was in the federal government 40 years.
	You could hardly take a cup of coffee without, you know, the appearance of impropriety.
	So, you know, how's Joe Biden and the rest of them, uh, you know, have these, uh, Yeah, no, you're very, you're very, very much on point there.
	What did you do in federal government for 40 years, Ben?
	God bless.
	Stay on the line.
	I want to give you a signed copy of The War for America's Soul for your service.
	Yeah, when you fill out, as a presidential appointee, when you fill out the ethics forms, it's not only that you have to prevent conflicts of interest, it is the appearance of conflicts of interest.
	And how about the biggest one?
	He's working for the most corrupt energy company in Ukraine, Hunter Biden, at the same time that his father is the US government's point person for Ukrainian policy.
	Obama made Biden the Ukrainian policy czar.
	That's not just an appearance of a conflict of interest.
	It is a conflict of interest, and it would have gotten you or me fired.
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	When I tell people who don't know me what I do for a living, they say, three hours?
	How do you do three hours of live radio every single day?
	I tell them it's easy.
	In this new cycle, I just have to wait 30 seconds for something insane to happen.
	And then, when you have really amazing guests who I want to hear from, the time just flies.
	One of my favorites, and yours, a man who understands our hemisphere, and also what happens across the pond, is Lord Conrad Black.
	The author of Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other, Lord Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Always a pleasure.
	So much to discuss.
	I have in my hand your latest piece for the New York Sun.
	We have to talk about the race that you have deemed already in sentence, one of your latest piece, the race which promises to be a lively and nasty presidential contest, I tend to concur.
	But let's talk about the events of the last 24 hours with Devin Archer testifying behind closed doors.
	We had one of the men in the room.
	With us just moments ago, Congressman Andy Biggs of Arizona, who gave us his read.
	Let me first start, as somebody who has suffered at the hands of...
	Unjust prosecutors.
	Let me focus on an aspect of what's happened in the last 24 hours that really very few else are focusing on.
	There's an individual called Carlos de Oliveira who is the head of maintenance for Mar-a-Lago.
	He's the guy that fixes things when they break and makes sure that the plant of Mar-a-Lago is functioning.
	Yesterday he was arraigned in a court in Miami Based upon superseding new charges from the special counsel Jack Smith that charged him with crimes that could result in 400 years in prison and demanded of this working-class man a bond be paid of $100,000 before he'd be released from that court again.
	I have to say, this is perhaps one of the most despicable aspects.
	Yes, it's outrageous, the FBI raided my former boss's home at Mar-a-Lago, but the fact that they're going after the common man, the left, the agents of the left, who say they fight for the oppressed, they fight for the working classes, they fight for the minorities, this has to be one of the most despicable aspects of this judicial persecution.
	It not only is that, Sebastian, it underlines the greatest single weakness of the American criminal justice system, which is, contrary even today to widespread belief in the United States, an utterly evil system.
	It produces a conviction rate in the federal justice system of 98%, 95% without a trial, because The deck is stacked in favor of the prosecutors, and they do precisely this.
	I mean, here's a man you just described accurately.
	They piled onto him an outrageous series of accusations, a heavy bail requirement.
	And what they're saying to his counsel is, look here, we'll let your man off with a suspended sentence if he gives us evidence that helps us in convicting Mr. Trump.
	And incidentally, he will also get a guarantee of immunity against perjury charges.
	So the incentive to such a person to come up with something that can be useful is very great.
	And what they do is they conduct catechism lessons.
	and I don't mean to engage in sacrilege here, but where these potential,
	where these accused potential witnesses are asked to jog their memories,
	and then they say, well, I think I could say that, you know, the chief defendant did this or that.
	Well, I'm afraid you'll have to do better than that.
	And then when they get to a certain level, I say, all right, we'll strike a deal there.
	We'll give you a very soft or a suspended sentence, no problem, and you won't be charged with perjury.
	You just come in and testify to that.
	That is the extortion of perjured inculpatory evidence.
	That's the game they're playing, and they do it so brazenly,
	everybody in the world can see what they're doing.
	Now- We're playing the B-roller, as you speak, Lord Black,
	of this poor man, Carlos de Oliveira, arriving at the court.
	He's surrounded by, I don't know, 50 members of the paparazzi,
	police officers in bulletproof vests.
	The expression on his face is, of course he's horrified, as if he's some kind of Mafia don being led into some, you know, six-month trial.
	It's just truly horrifying.
	Yeah.
	It surely is.
	And it's the rot at the center of the American justice system.
	Everybody who knows anything about that system knows it.
	Every year, the Chief Justice of the United States, going back to Warren Burger, have said to the American Bar Association, we've got to do something about this.
	Various prominent individuals, McCasey, who was the Chief Judge of New York, and subsequently the Attorney General, they all say it and nothing ever happens.
	Let's listen, let's listen to it.
	...have too much political power as well as legal power.
	Correct, and in this case it's Jack Smith, one outspoken man, Byron Donalds, congressman from Florida.
	He just says it as he sees it.
	Cut 17.
	Jack Smith is the prosecutor who will try to go after any possible thing.
	And frankly, he's somewhat of a lunatic.
	We saw this with how he went after Bob McDonald, the former governor of Virginia, and that case had to be thrown out.
	At the end of the day, the reason why Merrick Garland chose Jack Smith is because Jack Smith will do anything, and I mean anything, to try to get a conviction.
	Bravo for Byron Donalds, for Congressman Donalds for saying that.
	You are a judicial reform advocate.
	Let's just say that they failed to put President Trump in prison.
	He is re-elected.
	What happens then?
	I am sorely, sorely disappointed by the Federalist Society's long list of Judges that were given to President Trump to confirm because most of them have not showered themselves with glory, especially after the 2020 election.
	How does one fix this if we have rogue prosecutors and cowardly judges?
	Isn't that a Sisyphean task to even begin to try and fix Lord Black?
	Well, it's a terribly daunting task, but an absolutely necessary one.
	I'd be a little more optimistic than Sisyphus, but I think the answer, I think it is all, with so many other things, coming to a head in next year's election.
	If Trump wins, it is a vote against the condition of the justice system.
	And a mandate to him, and to whatever Congress comes in with him, to change it.
	Not to make it soft on lawbreakers, but to make it fair to people.
	I mean, you know, I quoted earlier, the 98% conviction rate, the corresponding figure in Canada is 61%, in Britain it's a little over 50%.
	It's not because those countries have incompetent prosecutors, it's because they have a system where the grand jury is not, there isn't a grand jury, and then the grand jury that exists in the U.S.
	is just a rubber stamp for the prosecutors.
	What you have in those countries is a hearing before a real judge, A life appointee to a retirement age of 75, I believe.
	And that judge is an independent person who determines whether there's enough grounds to proceed.
	And the administration of evidence is equal for both sides.
	The defense speaks last instead of the prosecution, as in the U.S.
	And it is a fair system.
	And those who are guilty are convicted.
	And those who aren't, in general, are acquitted.
	They're not perfect systems, but at least it's a fair trial.
	Justice is blind.
	It is a genuine status of being innocent until proved guilty.
	What's going on is, first of all, you have a system that went haywire about 50 years ago.
	The U.S.
	had a conviction rate like other serious countries until the The rules were changed about the plea bargain and the cooperating witnesses.
	And then, as we've discussed before in previous episodes of my appearances here, starting with Watergate, we had this gradual addiction and escalation of the political system to the charms and possibilities of translating political differences into criminal accusations.
	And the Democrats have gambled everything that they can stop Trump by piling these spurious indictments onto him.
	And so far, the polls indicate the public isn't buying it.
	And that, I think, is your answer.
	Well, we will be, sadly, expecting another slew of indictments against President Trump, allegedly, later today.
	In the meantime, we're talking to the co-host of the podcast, Scholars and Sense.
	Follow him at ConradMBlack.com.
	And on Twitter at ConradMBlack.
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	We'll be back with Lord Black after these messages.
	How would you undo what they did?
	I think you have to require... First of all, they can't give a guarantee against perjury as part of the trading pre-arranged evidence for testimony.
	You know, for trading a sentence reduction.
	for pre-arranged testimony.
	That's a meretricious system.
	And secondly, if there's still a possibility of a perjury accusation, I think you have to have a rule against that kind of trade-off.
	I mean, cooperation is one thing, but the invention of evidence is something else again.
	And the people who are accused and genuinely cooperate Honestly, nothing wrong with that.
	But so I think you have to have a procedure within the bar that enforces that.
	Now, in general, the state systems vary quite a bit, but the state systems don't have such a heavy conviction level.
	And that's not because all sorts of criminals get off scot-free.
	It's because often innocent people are found to be innocent.
	But that almost never happens in the federal system.
	And you know, you cannot have a country that holds itself out to the world as an example of justice and fair play and the rule of law and no one's above law and all are treated equally conducting a justice system in that way.
	But I mean, you can you can get at and you've got to turn the grand jury.
	Yes, yes.
	Do you have any sense, historically, of why this... Was there some massive push to have a higher conviction rate?
	Why would they have changed the system to this kind of ironclad for the prosecution setup?
	Well, I think there were two things. So the elements of the feminist movement,
	and I, to some degree, rational feminism, I'm all for.
	Of course women have to be treated equally, and they weren't before, but elements of them sort of got it into their heads about, I don't know, 50 years ago, that there were an inordinate number of rapists among the male population.
	So you suddenly got this tremendous increase in prosecutions for Uh, not just the rape or battery of women, but harassment, which is almost impossible to define.
	And the second thing is, I regret to say, I think there was a terrible fear in the United States in the 60s, the time that they some of the bad prison riots and so on,
	about black extremists, the Black Panthers, you know, the murder of those Black Panthers
	in Chicago and things.
	I think a response to angry women on the one side and white fear of black extremism on the other
	were used as a justification for really rather extreme measures
	to assure convictions and heavy sentencing.
	So you've got mandatory minimum sentences, three strikes and you're out.
	You know, there's a famous case where a man stole an old Porto cigar, you know, 15 cent cigar, and got 20 years in prison because it was his third offense.
	I mean, it just, there was no constituency for For anyone who's suspected of committing illegality.
	Stand by, stand by.
	I'll be teeing up cut to 10.
	Two for the four?
	Yes.
	Knee deep in the swamp.
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	Devon Archer closed-door testimony yesterday.
	Here's a little reminder.
	We learned that the then-Vice President was on at least 20 phone calls and at Dinners with Hunter Biden's business partners.
	But this is what Joe Biden said about a year ago to Axios.
	Cut 10.
	Hunter Biden, your son, was getting paid a lot of money to serve on the board of a Ukrainian energy company facing serious corruption charges.
	You were the vice president running point on Ukraine.
	The average Joe hears that and says, that sounds fishy.
	What's your understanding of what your son was doing for an extraordinary amount of money?
	I don't know what he was doing.
	I know he was on the board.
	I found out he was on the board after he was on the board.
	And that was it.
	And there's nobody... Well, you've had a lot of time.
	Isn't this something you want to get to the bottom of?
	No, because I trust my son.
	But that doesn't pass the smell test.
	Like, when you're vice president, isn't there a higher standard?
	Don't you need to know what's happening with your family?
	Don't you need to put down some guardrails?
	Unless there was something that was... There was something on its face that was wrong.
	There was nothing on its face that was wrong.
	So look, if you want to talk about problems, you know, let's talk about Trump's family.
	The classic deflection.
	Lord Black, when I served in the White House, I had to fill out, you know, a good few pine trees worth of forms about financial background, disclosures, conflict of interest, and the ethics briefing was very clear.
	It's not just Avoiding any actual conflict of interest.
	It's the appearance of a conflict of interest.
	You're the vice president, you are Obama's point person for Ukraine, and you are on multiple calls with your son's business partners, which include one of the most corrupt Ukrainian oil and gas companies.
	How long can they just stomach it out, push it out, without there being actual political ramifications?
	Well, I think there probably are political ramifications now.
	And according to what the polls that I see show, a very large percentage of Americans think that the Biden family has been up to, how should I put it?
	I mean, inappropriate activity, I would say.
	I mean, in fairness, I mean, here I'm tearing out a little bit the point I was trying to make earlier, but they We've got to judge these people fairly.
	I have never seen any evidence that American official policy was altered because of money paid to the Bidens.
	But I think the problem here is not necessarily taking a bribe to abuse a public office.
	It is lying, not under oath by the current president, but repeatedly lying publicly about the scope and nature of these activities.
	And I mean, obviously, this idea that he didn't talk to his son about it is just eyewash.
	Nobody could believe that for two seconds.
	And also, and here I'm getting into an area I don't know about, but Biden's son, at the least,
	appears to have been acting in a way covered by statutes that govern the conduct of those who are foreign agents,
	or at least acting in some respects on behalf of a foreign country,
	and didn't register in that way.
	And that can be quite a serious offense.
	The tax question also arises, but again, I wouldn't know anything about that.
	But we're getting, there's now widespread discussion of highly circumstantial things.
	I mean, the president lives in a way that is hard to explain for someone
	who's had a public sector salary for the last 50 years.
	Right.
	Almost all of that time.
	But, you know, we don't want to jump to conclusions.
	I think his real problem is the public relations disaster of trying to pretend that this influence peddling operation that they've been conducting all around the world for decades didn't happen.
	And then the technical part, maybe the foreign agency part.
	But on the other hand, a president who lies To the extent, and as profoundly as this president has on this subject, he may not have a legal problem, but he certainly has a political problem.
	But we have the testimony yesterday of Devin Archer, the convicted business partner of Hunter Biden, saying, yes, we were involved with selling the Biden brand.
	Lord Black, what is the Biden brand?
	It's not Hunter Biden, it's not James Biden, it's not Frank Biden.
	If your papa is the Vice President, the brand you're selling is access to the White House, surely?
	There's not the slightest doubt.
	This whole thing, the President's son, his brother, the whole bunch of them, they were levering up his position as a Senator, as a Vice President, and as President.
	Absolutely.
	So when you look at the ongoing campaigns on left and right, is it your sense that at some point in the near future the current incumbent will be deemed an albatross around the neck of the Democrats and will they try to primary him?
	Because Kamala Harris is not very popular in America.
	My guess is, and it's only a guess, I'd be the last person the powers that be in the Democratic Party would consult, but they know they can't run with him again.
	Their nightmare is if he doesn't finish his term, and then they're stuck with an incumbent that they have to get rid of.
	So they're just hoping, they're trying to thread the needle here, keep the incumbent in place, But tell him in about six months, about the time LBJ stepped down or a little earlier, end of March in 1968, that he simply can't run again.
	He'll finish his term but not run again.
	And then they can bring out Newsom wherever they want and try and spruce up somebody, someone else other than Kamala Harris.
	Change the subject of the conversation, as it were, by a completely new candidate.
	We shall see.
	In the meantime, we will be following your pieces in the New York Sun.
	Also, the website is ConradMBlack.
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	the Huskers. The Huskers. The No, but he just fits, you know, the shablon.
	He's just, you know, the hair, the teeth, the smile, so... Yeah, he's a greaser and he's California, he's woke.
	But, you know, he's been a catastrophe as governor.
	Yeah, yeah, totally.
	And I mean, at least in his way, It's never worked very well with me, but in his way, Biden's sort of a nice guy, and I don't think Newsom is even that.
	I think he's just an annoying, flippant caricature of a California washer.
	Yeah, I think behind the scenes you'd find that Biden is a very nasty person.
	Oh, I agree.
	I never forgave him for what he did to my friend Bob Bork, who would have been a great justice of the Supreme Court.
	Oh, Clarence Thomas!
	That should have blackballed him forever from public office.
	Not only that, when he was running for the presidential nomination, he apologized to Anita Hill for not having taken her nonsense more seriously.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Incredible.
	Incredible.
	And their answers, you said, in the cut you had, their answer to everything.
	It's just, wait a minute, you can't ask me about ethics.
	That's Trump's problem, not mine.
	I mean, it's unutterably irritating, but it's finally catching up with him.
	I think it is.
	I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Well, look, it's still looking pretty good for Trump, isn't it?
	It is, although they're dropping new indictments allegedly imminently today.
	I mean, in my opinion, the public doesn't, you know, those who are going to be influenced by it are influenced and the rest of them, the more they drop, the more they realize it's just Abusive nonsense and corruption of the political, of the justice system.
	Right.
	And he'll win the sympathy in the middle, which is where you win.
	And if he, if he wins, he clearly has the mandate to reform the justice system.
	That would be a godsend to America.
	I think that point, I noted that down when you said it.
	I mean, that's, that's huge that if he wins, then he's got, you know, no obstacles for, for running with that mandate.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And look, As we've discussed, the courts just took a holiday on all the questions about the constitutional validity of changing the voting and vote counting rules.
	They just didn't want to do it.
	Yeah, well, you know, they're a co-equal branch.
	They've got to set up and step up and play their role as a co-equal branch.
	Exactly.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
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	calls waiting patiently in Georgia line one Brian Sebastian good to hear
	from you today welcome thanks sir let me throw out a quick t-shirt
	question before I go to my statement. Yep. Um,
	We got millions of pictures of Hunter Biden with his father without a t-shirt that has either him or him and his father.
	And above the picture it says, well, what do you know?
	And then below the picture it says there is white, what's the word?
	Oh, you mean entitlement.
	Entitlement.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	White privilege.
	Privilege.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Good.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	What's your comment?
	What's your question, Brian?
	Yesterday you were talking with the gentleman from, I think, Justin News.
	John Solomon, right.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes.
	And you were discussing whether to I'm having a brain cramp here.
	Don't worry, you're only doing it in front of three and a half million people.
	Relax.
	You make me nervous.
	No.
	No.
	You were discussing whether it's worthwhile to impeach Biden or not.
	Right.
	And I've got a slant on it that might be worth looking into.
	You know, for years they impeached Trump twice and they hung that Yes.
	moniker on him as like the sign of the devil.
	Yes.
	Has been impeached.
	So if you impeach Biden, even if the Senate doesn't prosecute him, you still have that
	moniker and it just, it deadens the idea of saying, well, Trump's been impeached.
	Yeah.
	No, that's another thing we didn't think of.
	I like that, Brian.
	If we impeach him, even if we don't convict him in the Senate, at least we've hung that albatross around his neck.
	And then we can use that as part of our campaign against him as perhaps the most corrupt president of the modern age.
	Nicely done.
	Don't be a stranger, Brian.
	And don't be so nervous.
	Let's go to Florida.
	Stephen, line two.
	Good afternoon, Doctor.
	Hey.
	How you doing?
	Thank you for rolling with Trump.
	I appreciate you being an advisor to him.
	I know he'd get good advice from you.
	But I've got a theory about the Bidens and them only talking about weather.
	I think that they may have only actually said the weather's nice or the temperature's hot or low.
	Using it in code words so they don't actually have to come out and he can say he's only talking about the weather.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Stephen, you know they weren't talking about the weather in any way, shape or form.
	You know that's a lie, right?
	You know that Dan Goldman was desperate and he was just making something up on the fly to protect Biden.
	You know that, right?
	Yeah, I believe that.
	They're slimeballs.
	They're the dirtiest people ever.
	And Joe Biden's always been a liar.
	He got the first vote anyways.
	He's lied about everything.
	But I'm just saying, even if he's saying...
	Oh, the weather's fine.
	Just like, uh, he's getting a temperature.
	I'll be able to help him.
	They're not coming out saying, yeah, go ahead and do... We know what they were really talking about, Stephen.
	The weather wasn't mentioned once.
	That's garbage.
	That's a lie, okay?
	That's Dan Goldman, remember, who was one of the chief prosecutors.
	of the impeachment of President Trump before he was given that congressional seat.
	That's who he is.
	He was just covering for the big guy.
	We know what they were really saying.
	It's what we saw in the incriminating text, the encrypted WhatsApp.
	I'm sitting here with dad.
	Why haven't you sent the money?
	You made a commitment.
	I have a very, very long memory and my dad is vindictive.
	That's what they were saying on those discussions.
	Where's The money, Stephen.
	They're not that sophisticated.
	They're evil bastards.
	They're also quite stupid.
	Anybody who puts pornography, puts his sex acts with Russian prostitutes and taking drugs on video on his laptop, we're not exactly dealing with Mensa members.
	These are like double-digit IQ individuals.
	But thank you, Stephen.
	We know exactly what they're doing.
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	They impeached me over a perfect phone call.
	This guy's stolen millions of dollars.
	And done worse than that.
	I mean, look at what he's done to the country with the inflation, with the energy, with taking away people's rights, with the DOJ, weaponized DOJ.
	No, I mean, they impeached me over a perfect phone call.
	And here's a guy who's stolen millions of dollars and done other things that are so bad.
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	They're desperate, they're trying to justify the 20 phone calls and dinners with Hunter Biden's business partners.
	How low will they go?
	Here's Eugene Robinson on MSNBC.
	Cut it!
	Yeah, they're trying to create a scandal, or at least the appearance of a scandal, the sort of, you know, smokiness of a scandal, and just create that atmosphere without actual evidence and without an actual scandal, because, you know, I think it's pretty clear, at least so far, there is nothing there.
	There is nothing there.
	You could certainly argue that at some point if Biden put President Biden on the speakerphone for like 20
	times, you could certainly ask whether at some point President Biden might have said, hey,
	quit putting me on speakerphone.
	You know, are you having a business meeting?
	Like, what is that about?
	But the context is that this was a sort of very fraught and sad time for the Biden family.
	And we know how important family is to the president.
	And so do you hang up on your phone on your son at any time, but certainly at a moment like that?
	And probably the answer is no.
	Right, it's because Seaside's so important, family's so important.
	Jeff, is that voice for real?
	I like that.
	Eugene, Rob, it just sounds like he's making it up.
	Is he making it up?
	I think that's for real.
	He does it all the time.
	Really?
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay.
	Isn't it funny how at the end of that, I mean, he's embarrassed about what he's saying, isn't he?
	He doesn't know what to say anymore.
	He just rambles on, kind of trails off.
	He just runs out of the crap he's saying.
	All right, somebody who's never embarrassed at what comes out of his mouth because he's a patriot.
	He's a buddy of mine, a Marine, a veteran, a doctor.
	He's just a crazy man all around.
	He's a freedom fighter.
	Dr. Cordy Williams, co-host of The Loud Majority.
	Dr. Williams, welcome back to America First!
	Thanks for having me, beautiful man.
	How you doing today?
	Happy Tuesday, I guess it would be.
	Is it?
	I don't know.
	These days all melt together.
	But the day that you will be emceeing very soon is a very special one that will stand out.
	You texted me to say that you're going to be emceeing an event with... with who?
	Tell us everything about the San Joaquin Freedom Fest!
	Well, you know, it's it's an honor.
	I mean, I can't think of besides meeting Jesus or Donald Trump.
	This is the person I know that is Donald Trump in a dress and beautiful on the inside and outside and a freedom fighter.
	And if we're honest, she has more testicular fortitude than most guys out there.
	And yeah, she's been fighting and it's going to be an honor.
	It's going to be a great, great rally and really just centered around election integrity.
	And how we can change the election in 2024 so we win and the rhinos don't prevail or the establishment doesn't prevail or Sleepy Joe doesn't prevail.
	And that's what we're going to dig into and we're really excited and, you know, who better to talk about it than Kerry Lake.
	Now, no spoilers, don't give it away, but what kinds of things, what kind of themes, because you are the Megaphone Marine, what kind of themes will you be Touching upon as you introduce Carrie later this week.
	Well, I'll probably be talking about the caricature-like figures of Master Splinter.
	You know, that gentleman that claims he's the only one that knows about science.
	Rodent Fauci.
	Probably Rhino Ron behind me right here.
	For those of you who are just listening on the radio, he has a dartboard behind him with a certain governor from Florida's picture on the dartboard.
	It's a little bit cheeky, Cordy!
	Well, you know, you gotta, I mean, when somebody's disloyal and they're nasty and they don't really care about the party, they only care about their own ego, you know, it used to be, I'm an Alabama boy, Seb, and so we kind of have this loyalty thing, and in the Marine Corps we have it as well, and the guy should have waited his turn, he didn't, and he turned his back and decided to be Benedict Arnold.
	Yeah, for me, this is the issue.
	I mean, forget everything else, you know, the lack of charisma or everything else.
	I call it the honor deficit.
	I mean, seriously, there's things you just don't do.
	And if your career was made, was created, was saved by somebody who stood with you, you just don't do what this man is doing, right, Cordy?
	Yeah, I mean, I think so, Seb.
	And you know the president better than I do.
	But I've heard from people around him constantly that he's a big loyalty guy.
	So if you know that, why would you want to cross Donald Trump?
	Probably the most political figure, I mean, in my lifetime for sure.
	And people love the guy.
	And so why you would think that you would just circumvent the process of waiting, being patient, And honoring somebody that got you there, because we all know he'd be nothing without Donald Trump.
	He never would have had governor in front of his name.
	And it's just to slap in the face.
	All right, we've got a couple of seconds left.
	Follow this man, DrCoreDW on Twitter, host, co-host of The Loud Majority.
	A couple of seconds left.
	For those who can't make it to your Freedom Fest with Carrie Lake, what's your message to the millions of people who are listening right now?
	Well, guys, we got a fight in front of us, and really it takes everybody out there, folks getting the message out, getting involved in your local state government, city government, city council.
	And really, I think we need to mobilize people, because we can't count on the RNC, we can't count on Ronald McDonald, as I affectionately call her.
	We can't count on those people, so we've got to have the teams out there to make sure President Trump gets all the votes he's supposed to get because we know he's a real president.
	He's so serious about it, he actually ran for Senate and I love that.
	I'm going to use that with your permission, Ronald, Rona, McDonald, McDaniel.
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	It's like there's certain voices I do where I'm like, if I do this voice for too long, it's gonna just make my throat sore for the rest of the day.
	Why?
	You do impersonations?
	I try to every now and then.
	Again, there's some that I do really well, and then there's others I'm like, I don't know how anybody can- Alright, give me an example of one of your impersonations.
	I just think we need to tax all the billionaires!
	They got too much money coming in, they ain't giving enough to the working class!
	You need to make all your hair crazy first.
	All right, I'm gonna do cut 13 here.
	13.
	Tyson.
	Oh, title for... I can't believe these bastards have banned incandescent light bulbs today.
	Oh, man.
	Just utter bastards.
	Title for Cordy.
	Carrie Lake, Donald, colon, Donald Trump in a dress.
	All right.
	Address.
	Come in with cut 13.
	No.
	Oh, sorry.
	That's right.
	Oh, that's right.
	It's a long cut.
	Try just saying Trump indicted again.
	Oh boy.
	On the side of the U.S.
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	It was expected.
	Mr. G says that a certain news outlet has reported it right now.
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	President Trump has been indicted yet again.
	5 p.m.
	Eastern was the expectation from President Trump.
	It's being reported right now.
	Jeff, tell me if you get any more news before we get our friend, before we get our friend Andrew Klavan in studio.
	In the meantime, how bad is the left?
	How insane are they?
	He pretends to be a scientist, Neil deGrasse Tyson.
	But he's actually an ideologue and a cultist.
	This is what a quote-unquote scientist says about gender and chromosomes.
	Cut 13.
	The XXXY chromosomes are insufficient!
	Because when we wake up in the morning, we exaggerate whatever feature we want to portray the gender of our choice.
	Either the one you're assigned, the one you choose to be, whatever it is!
	And so now, just to tie a bow on this, I say to you, somewhere I read, somewhere I think I read, that the United States was a land where we have the pursuit of happiness.
	Suppose no matter my chromosomes, today I feel 80% female, 20% male.
	I'm gonna put on makeup.
	Tomorrow I might feel 80% male.
	I'll remove the makeup and I'll wear a muscle shirt.
	Why do you care?
	What business is it of yours to require that I fulfill your inability to think of gender on a spectrum?
	You're a clown, Degrassi.
	Hey, Alex, you're an engineer, so you gotta know about, you know, science-y stuff.
	What does 80, if I wake up feeling 80% male, what does that mean, Alex?
	Mental illness.
	You just stole my thunder!
	You're absolutely right.
	He said, oh, this is America, land of the pursuit of happiness.
	Yes, Neil, not land of the pursuit of insanity, of psychosis.
	The Constitution doesn't say happiness and the pursuit of psychosis.
	Just the pursuit of happiness, not mental illness.
	You are now done.
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	you you
	you what is the most important part of socializing with great
	brains It's the cigars afterwards, and that's why I'm pissed!
	I had dinner with the current gentleman sitting in my studio right now.
	Four hours worth of chit-chat, and not one stinking cigar.
	What's his excuse?
	I don't know.
	Andrew Craven, welcome to America First.
	Thank you, thank you.
	There's a storm, there's a storm, oh lord.
	The weather was great outside!
	It finally cooled down!
	All our outdoor furniture was wet, and I went out last night and had a cigar in your honor, in your absence.
	It was still a little wet, so I'm not sure.
	I walked past your front yard on the way in, and you have metal furniture.
	That doesn't get wet, so stop the prevarication, the lies, the propaganda.
	You were having cigars, right, by yourself later after we left.
	Also, just as I said cigars, you ditched me.
	You walked out.
	Well, my wife turns into a pumpkin after 9.30.
	I mean, her bedtime is 9 o'clock, so the fact that she was there till 11 or something.
	I don't know.
	Well, you don't sleep.
	I don't sleep either, so yeah.
	But next time.
	Or we might have to go to my little cigar club.
	Alright, let's get down to business.
	I have a long list of stuff that I didn't get to ask our good host this weekend at his lovely dinner party with his muse.
	Andrew, where shall we begin?
	Let's start with something that I think is crucially important when it comes to The trans debate.
	You said something, I don't know, years ago?
	A couple of years ago?
	That it's not about an assault on what men are or women are.
	The genesis is really the negation of the female.
	That's right.
	Can you just unpack that a little bit?
	This has gone on forever.
	I mean, obviously, women bring consequences to sex.
	They bring, you know, responsibilities to men.
	They make men into men.
	You know, would we be the guardians we are if it weren't for women?
	And they also bring something else.
	They bring a construction of life that is not based on power.
	Almost everything men do is based on power, beating people out, competition.
	All of that stuff elevates the world through competition, through excellence.
	But women in a nurturing home are bringing an actual different set of values into society that I think makes society better.
	I think it makes life better.
	How do they moderate that?
	What is their effect on the, you know, what is it Jordan Peterson keeps talking about, you know, the lobster hierarchy?
	What is the female impact on the everything is about hierarchy and power?
	I think it changes everything.
	It means that you are putting your power at the service of creation, which I believe is a godly thing to do.
	In other words, you're not just putting your power in the service of Yes.
	You're actually saying, no, I'm putting it in the service of life, I'm putting it in the service of nurturance and peace and homemaking and all of the things that we get out of women.
	They've been trying to get men, specifically, have been trying to get rid of this forever.
	I've argued in my book The Truth and Beauty that the novel Frankenstein is simply about a man trying to create life without a woman.
	It's the book you quote in your new book.
	I mean, the very first thing you see on the front page is a quote from Mary Shelley.
	That's right.
	From Frankenstein.
	Let's just put it up here while I mention it.
	It is the third installment of the Cameron Winter series, The House of Love and Death.
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	My wife has already stolen the copy that Drew gave us on Saturday to read, and she will devour it quickly, much faster reader than I am, but I can't wait to get my hands on it, so get it right now.
	Let's go back to a prior work of yours.
	I detest autobiographies.
	I just don't have the patience, and I think most autobiographies are actually fabrications.
	Nobody knows what they had for breakfast 12 years ago.
	I mean, seriously.
	I mean, just nobody, okay?
	Unless you're writing a journal, and very few people do.
	They're just fabrications.
	One of the few that actually matter and can change your life, I'll recommend Andrew Breitbart's Righteous Indignation, a stunning work.
	Also, I would say J.D.
	Vance's Hillbilly Elegy, if you want to understand what happened to America in the last 40 years.
	But one that touches me personally, because it's written by a friend, is The Great Good Thing.
	Let's put it up on the screen.
	Get the book, The Great Good Thing, as well.
	A secular Jew comes to faith in Christ.
	I'm just going to go through.
	I have so many questions.
	This connects back to the trans thing, the negation of women.
	You're a Christian.
	You're a proud Christian.
	You're a man of God.
	Talk to us about why Christianity isn't about tolerance.
	No, it's not about tolerance.
	But you'll hear this from the woke preachers, the woke pastors who say, you know, we've got to celebrate the LGBTQ, love is love and all this stuff.
	Explain why that is wrong.
	I mean, it of course is wrong to mistreat people because you think they're doing something wrong or they're living in a different way than yourself.
	But inherent in Christianity is a model of the human being, a model of what a human being can be.
	And obviously it's different for each of us in the sense that we're all individuals, but it's also the same for each of us in that certain things are right and wrong no matter who you are.
	So it actually is a beautifully individualistic thing, but it's also a beautifully wholesome thing.
	We call it the body of Christ, in which each one of us plays a different part, and yet we all are part of a single thing.
	And once you lose the sense that there is right and wrong, then the entire religion stops making sense, because the whole point of the religion, which is so obvious to everybody when they think about it, is that we're not who we're supposed to be.
	Each one of us is less than we're supposed to be.
	We were made with an idea.
	Everybody feels this.
	Every single person knows that there is an Andrew Klavan, a Sebastian Gorka, a John Smith, who he is supposed to be, who he is not yet.
	If you lose sense of that, if you just think, well, whatever you want to be is right.
	And whatever somebody else wants to do is okay as well, right?
	All you're actually doing is you're just playing into what in Christianity we call the flesh, which is our desires.
	We all have desires, and we all know that if we follow those desires, they lead to destruction.
	And if we look at Jesus himself, he wasn't universally tolerant.
	He wasn't tolerant of the money changes.
	He wasn't tolerant of, you know, sinners doing sins.
	And he wasn't very nice.
	What he was was loving, which is a very different thing.
	And you know, it's a different thing to say, one of my favorite stories in the New Testament, and one that they've tried to actually remove, Is the story of the woman taken in adultery, and he says, if you want to stone her, that's fine, as long as you are yourself without sin.
	That's different than saying adultery is right.
	That's different than saying, yes, of course, commit adultery, to say that before you condemn
	this person, look to yourself, look at who you are, because each one of us is so broken,
	so tarred by our own desires and our own sin and our own twistedness that we're not really
	in a position to criticize other people's inward selves, you know, in what position
	you're in according to God.
	What we can do is we can restrict people's behaviors in order to stop them from hurting
	one another.
	And this is the thing that I think politics is so poisonous about, is that in politics
	a lot of times you support people doing the wrong thing because you agree with them, and
	no, that's not the way it works.
	You know, you can agree with somebody and also say, yes, you are doing the wrong thing.
	That's why when I watch our media, I get so frustrated with the fact that if you're a Democrat and you do something, it's fine.
	Right.
	But if you're a Republican, it's not.
	No, you know, I'm willing for them to go after Republicans.
	I just want them to go after everybody on moral grounds.
	We should all be doing that.
	We should say, you know, I love you, you know, I understand you're broken like I am, but you can't do this because that hurts other people.
	And that's, you know, the definition of evil.
	It's not just the assault on femininity.
	It's also the assault on the family.
	The family has to be dismantled.
	BLM had it on their website before they were caught and it was scrubbed off.
	As a conservative, we were discussing this over dinner, we look at examples like Hungary and elsewhere that is promoting the family, giving tax cuts.
	If you're a woman who has three kids in Hungary, you pay no taxes, forever.
	Isn't there a contradiction there as a conservative?
	Is the government there to promote values?
	You know, this is an interesting thing.
	I do believe that as an American conservative, American conservatism is unique because America is unique.
	We support the Constitution.
	Americans support the Constitution and we support the idea of liberty, a level of liberty that really has never existed on earth before.
	That means that we have to accomplish certain things through culture that other people can accomplish through government.
	We don't want to mandate the family.
	We don't want to force people to get married.
	We don't want to say you must have children because the government has no business doing that.
	I don't believe the government has a place in our bedroom.
	I don't want them outlawing what people do just because I think it might be harmful to them.
	At the same time, you can't have a culture of honor and disapproval.
	And I think that that is an important thing that we used to have within my lifetime that we don't have anymore.
	Can I get one better?
	Honor and shame.
	Honor and shame.
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	All right, let's expand on that.
	It's a dirty word.
	You can't talk about shame today, Andrew.
	Why is shame and the obverse honor, why are these things essential to the functioning of a free society based upon virtue?
	Because you do not want the government having to enforce things that have to be enforced for us to have a society.
	We don't live as individual units floating in space.
	We live in a society and the things that I do affect you and the things you do affect me.
	I don't want the government coming over and telling you you can't do things that I disapprove of, but There are things that you can do that should make you shameful.
	A really good example of this was on Cosmopolitan magazine a couple of years ago now, where they put extraordinarily fat women on the cover with the headline, this is healthy.
	Well, it's not healthy.
	It's death.
	I mean, it is worse than smoking to be that kind of obese.
	And the idea that you cannot fat shame someone is harmful.
	It's actually doing them a bad service.
	In the same way it's doing people bad service by leaving them out in the street when they're too mentally ill to take care of themselves.
	These are things that we do in the name of what you called tolerance before.
	They give us a sense that we're being kind, that we're being generous.
	But in fact, they're immensely destructive because we all know that there are behaviors that are not healthy.
	We know that there are behaviors that are ugly.
	We know that there are behaviors that are also just Not conducive to a good society, and we should be able to disapprove of and shame those behaviors without turning to the government to show up, you know, to raid our house at 4 in the morning and say, stop doing what you're doing.
	You said we should be able to, but what is the transmission belt of that?
	If it's not the government, and if a man gyrating his naked backside in front of children at a pride parade... That should be illegal.
	I'm sorry, you should be arrested for that.
	That's very different.
	So that's the state.
	But I'm talking about divorce for instance.
	So how do we create a culture where these things are deemed shameful?
	What is the transmission belt of that communication of shame?
	I think we have to be able to say it out loud, proudly and without being afraid of being
	cancelled.
	That's the only thing.
	That's why there's cancelled culture.
	There's cancelled culture simply to make us afraid to say what everybody knows is true.
	So you get cancelled if you say you're behaving badly, this is a bad behavior.
	If you say for instance that demonstrating sadomasochistic behavior in public is a bad
	is disgusting because that's a self-destructive way to behave.
	It's not something that I think should be illegal. I don't think you should be
	able to kick down somebody's door and tell them to get out of his leather
	outfit. But I do think it's degrading to the human person and we should be able
	to say so without being deemed stuffy or small-minded or unkind. And that's why there's cancel culture. There's
	not cancel culture, you know, just to hurt people. There's
	cancel culture to keep us from inducing shame, to silence people,
	but especially in inducing shame in people. But I think you made this point
	over dinner that it's relatively easy for us.
	Yes, they come after us, they come after our advertisers, but, you know, I've got three and a half million listeners, I've got an amazing employer, you've got the daily wire.
	We can get away, you know, cancel culture for us is we revel in it, we go up and we challenge them and we throw it in their faces.
	How is what we are saying going to happen to those who don't have The protections that we do, or at least the support structures.
	What do you say to those people who just, you know, they're working a 9-to-5 job, but they're having this trans insanity, or they're white or evil rammed down their throats by the next HR meeting?
	Well, I think it's two things.
	One, they have to act in concert.
	They have to act smart.
	You can't tell people to stick their heads in the cannon's mouth.
	They have to strategize, get together, you know, get people together so that they are moving as one.
	Then, also, they need help.
	They need to have legal aid without cost.
	They can go in and protect their jobs.
	Like the Alliance Defending Freedom, there should be more of these entities that support those who are fighting.
	I mean, it's too easy for people like you and me, who are protected by the First Amendment, to say, have courage, stand up, fight your fight, because they're not really going to get us.
	We may lose a sponsor, we may get hit, you know, we may have, as you say, we revel in it.
	That's what we're here to do, and it's a good example to people.
	But we also have to understand that if you're, you know, a mid-level employee at some large corporation, And they bring you in and make you attest to the fact that a guy wearing a string of pearls suddenly becomes a woman.
	It's very hard for you to stand up for yourself and I think those people need help and they also need to strategize.
	One of the reasons I think the trans movement has been good for truth and beauty is because when you go after people's children they tend to get some courage, they tend to get some backbone and they show up For, you know, PTA meetings and board meetings.
	But just imagine the fact, imagine the fact that we are living in a country now where the FBI can be called upon to investigate parents as terrorists and respond to that call.
	That is how far they want to go to reduce the capacity to speak morally in a social situation.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
	So, the fact that we've sunk to such a level that we really truly have a police state.
	We don't have gulags, but we have the equivalent of the 2 a.m.
	knock on the door.
	If you're Mark Halk, if you're a pro-life preacher who protected his 12-year-old son from a raving lunatic at a Planned Parenthood, and you have your door bust down by 20 FBI agents, did you ever think that would happen in America, Drew?
	No, and it happens specifically...
	On these matters of shame, of abortion, where you want to say, in the old days, you know, if you had an abortion, you did it in a back alley because you were ashamed.
	And frankly, I don't think that that was a... I mean, look, I think killing children is a bad thing to do, so call me crazy, but that's where I stand.
	You hate it.
	I know, I know.
	But I think this is so true of so many things, and to go back to the example I was going to use before of divorce, when I was a kid, I knew one kid who had divorced parents.
	One kid who had divorced parents.
	Such a good point.
	And that's just shame.
	It wasn't illegal, it was a little more difficult, but it was not that much more difficult, and it was just something that you didn't do.
	I'm trying to think.
	I think nobody, I think maybe when I was in my late teens, I think of friends, parents separated.
	Yeah.
	But I didn't know anybody who... That's such an incredible metric.
	That's why he's Andrew Clay when he makes us think.
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	We have so much to cover.
	You just saw the new Oppenheimer movie.
	I'm so excited to see it as well.
	But we have Sound of Freedom.
	Amazing success.
	$14 million to make.
	Busted $110 million already.
	The story of Tim Ballard stopping child traffickers.
	Then two years ago, 18 months ago, we had Tom Cruise say, screw you Chinese censors.
	I'm going to make Top Gun Maverick with a flag of Taiwan on my bomber jacket.
	Crushes.
	Makes what, like $2 billion?
	Stunning.
	Are these blips?
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	It's simply because Tom Cruise can do something, or Angel Studios gets lucky, or are we seeing a turn?
	Because I have to say, I saw yesterday, the Barbie movie, which is Woke Beyond Woke, has made $700 million, Andrew.
	It cracks in the ice, by which I mean there are hopeful signs that something is changing, which I suspect it is.
	But they also could freeze over again, you know?
	So they're not just blips.
	The one with the Sound of Freedom is massively important.
	People who don't work in Hollywood don't understand.
	Why?
	Because the bottleneck in Hollywood is distribution.
	Anybody can make a movie.
	Anybody can put together enough money to make a movie.
	But to get it out to the people in such a way that they can make over a hundred million dollars, which is stunning, is really difficult.
	Angel Studios stepping up to do that Is basically going outside the system.
	That is not the usual way this happens.
	But they also went through theaters.
	So there must be, you know, AMC had this movie there.
	They're still playing it.
	So does that mean that there are some trains that are okay?
	Yes, there are theaters where people actually said, oh, we can't show this.
	The air conditioning isn't working.
	And they say, well, it's working in the rest of all the other theaters.
	Yeah, but it's not working in this particular theater where Sound of Freedom is playing.
	That was happening all across the country because of this, you know, woke feeling.
	And think about that for a minute.
	This woke feeling against child molestation and slavery is unbelievable.
	You know, I saw it in a premiere at the Museum of the Bible in D.C., and I was actually sitting there watching, because it's a good, exciting, tight movie.
	It's well made.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I was sitting there watching it and thinking, why is everybody in this room Christian?
	Why does it take Christians and some religious Jews to show up For a movie that's about a guy fighting child molestation.
	That's a very basic part of our society.
	But apparently not anymore.
	And I think this is something that's coming down the pike.
	You know how they're always telling us we're being paranoid and it's a conspiracy theory.
	But basically legitimizing and normalizing the use of children for sexual pleasure is coming down the pike.
	What is it, minor attracted persons?
	If you've got an acronym for pedophilia, you're already trying to normalize it.
	It's eliminating shame.
	Once again, it's eliminating shame.
	And the thing about this is, is that this is what's turning the tide.
	This is why the transgender movement is in some ways a blessing, because they're the ones who went after children.
	They're the ones who are telling a basic lie about the most basic fact of human beings.
	That we are a binary system.
	There's no such thing as a human being.
	There's only men and women.
	That's the only two kinds of human beings there are.
	And the fact that they want to take this thing, which is the source of joy and pleasure for most of us, it's the central source of mortal joy and pleasure, and they want to problematize it by saying, no, no, you can't define a woman without being a hater.
	That I think is getting people, they've gone too far.
	I think it's the most important catalytic event politically of recent years.
	You are from Hollywood, an incredibly successful screenwriter and novelist.
	Well, for a few years until they found out.
	Until you said, I'm not turning the American military into the bad guys after 9-11.
	That was your egregious sin.
	Why did Hollywood block this movie?
	Why did Disney not want to distribute this movie?
	What's the real answer?
	You know this environment.
	It's funny because it's not a uniform system.
	There are nice people in Hollywood.
	There are reasonable people in Hollywood.
	But there is a kind of atmosphere that people are afraid to move in.
	Why not stand up against child molestation?
	And the reason is what we were talking about before.
	Every single form of desire has to be legitimized.
	And every form of shame against desire has to be gotten rid of.
	Have they really stopped it because they want to defend pedophiles?
	They want to normalize it.
	Yes, they want to normalize it.
	Of course they want to normalize it.
	So it really was an ideological reason?
	Yes, although I wouldn't accuse each and every person of holding that ideology.
	But it's enough big names... It's an atmosphere.
	It's an atmosphere.
	I don't believe it.
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	Something that you may not have thought of is that there's a lot of people who can't move on
	on this, because that's the people who've transitioned their own children. So those
	people are going to be like, you know, the Japanese soldiers who were on Pacific Islands and didn't
	know the war was over.
	Right.
	They've got to fight forever.
	This is another reason why this is the worst, worst, worst social contagion that we'll ever have experienced.
	A lot of people have done the worst thing that you could do, which is to harm their children irrevocably because of it.
	Those people will have to believe that they did the right thing for the rest of their lives, for their own sanity and for their own self-respect.
	So they'll still be fighting.
	Former journalist with The Economist, author Helen Joyce, a clip that's gone viral in the last 10 days, she's saying the parents who quote-unquote transitioned their children, who mutilated their children, removed healthy breasts from pubescent girls, castrated young boys, they will be the Japanese fighting on an island 15 years after the war ended.
	How nasty is this war gonna get?
	to stop this evil. It's already terribly nasty. My colleagues Matt Walsh and Michael Moles,
	when they come out and talk about this, they get threats to their children, they get dox.
	You know, it's funny, I've been writing about this almost all my life. Because I'm a crime writer,
	I write crime stories. I have to invent villains and give you their motivations and things like
	this. And one of the themes that I have stuck with from my earliest days is a simple theme of this,
	that once you commit an evil, you have two choices.
	You either say, I have sinned, I've done the wrong thing, and you turn around and you face, again, the shame, one of the most painful emotions human beings face.
	And you turn around, or you start to justify it.
	You start to say, well, it was the right thing to do because of this.
	I shout my abortion.
	You have to double it down.
	I'm not just glad I had an abortion.
	I shout my abortion.
	Abortion is a good thing.
	It's a positive thing.
	And you go down that road into evil.
	It's a very theological situation.
	This is why the devil wants you to just commit a little sin.
	You know, just the first time, like a guy who goes up to you and says, just give me a little secret about America, and then you're stuck as an enemy agent, you know, the same thing was true of the devil.
	He says, just commit a little sin, you know, and then you feel so ashamed, you think like, well, actually it was a great thing that I did.
	What she's talking about is basic to human nature.
	It's so central to our life.
	And it's the reason why, not to preach to your audience, but it's the reason why the forgiveness of Jesus Christ is key.
	It's the way you turn around.
	If you go and you say, I have sinned, there's somebody there who's going to say, I know, and I'm going to get you off the hook.
	You know, it's a good, you know, you need a good Jewish guy to be a lawyer.
	That's it.
	Jesus Christ is the ultimate great Jewish lawyer.
	And I think that this is, this is the So is that how we win?
	That we offer forgiveness?
	You have to.
	You have to.
	You have to say, look, when people come to me and they say, I had an abortion and I don't know how to live with it, I always tell them the same thing.
	I always tell them, God's forgiveness is bigger than your sin.
	Because nothing is going to bring that child back.
	But you do want to move on in a new way.
	And that's the business of the world.
	That's the business of God.
	It's saving souls.
	It's not making the world a better place.
	The world is not going to be a better place.
	The world is always going to be a broken place until Jesus comes back again.
	Well, that's what the left denies though.
	The left one says it is perfect.
	We'll fix it.
	Give us enough power, we'll fix it.
	And we're gonna make you feel so good.
	It's gonna feel so good.
	About nine months ago, maybe less, you did an amazing monologue.
	The monologues are great.
	I still miss the cartoon at the beginning of the show, especially the sign being shot at the end.
	I love that.
	But you did an amazing monologue on how the left has a plan.
	And how we need a plan.
	The good guys need a plan.
	And I immediately texted you and I said, great, totally agree, what's the stinking plan?
	And you said, I'll get back to you, that'll be the next episode.
	I did do it in the next episode.
	Okay, so talk to us about what that plan looks like.
	Because I see a lot of, I look at the Hunter Biden scandal, and one of the guys who's involved, a good guy on Capitol Hill, I won't reveal his name, Matt, you know who you are.
	I said, what's the strategy?
	I don't see a strategy coming from the chairman.
	I think this is kind of like amorphous, you know, kicking the ankles of the bad guys.
	And he said, we don't have a strategy.
	The Republicans have a BB gun and they're shooting a BB gun at the Death Star.
	And I thought that was a perfect analogy.
	So what is Clavin's plan to destroy the Death Star?
	Well, I really do think we need to know what it is we believe in.
	And it cannot be, it cannot be forcing everybody to live like we want them to live, because then we're not in a free country anymore.
	When I go back to the founders, and I think this is, to me the big division in our country is not left and right, the big division is friends of the founders and enemies of the founders.
	Friends of the founding and enemies of the founding.
	What they talked about most was the limitations of power, forcing power centers to play off one
	another, forcing power sensors to be reduced. And the reason they
	did that was to allow people to thrive in their personal situations.
	It was gridlock by design.
	That's right.
	It was gridlock by design, but it also required us to gather together in free associations with a moral plan.
	And you see that this is what the government is trying to destroy.
	The Tocqueville called the volunteerism.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And then, I think, you have to start to come forward with those associations.
	And that, to me, is going to be based basically on religion.
	I mean, that's where everything starts.
	It all starts with churches and places where you get together.
	And then, by the way, you start to have the kind of protection we were talking about before.
	Because then you can say, no, this is what we believe.
	We will not support abortions.
	We will not pay for this.
	But after COVID, don't you have to admit, and as a cradle Catholic I say it about my faith as well, but especially all the other churches, I mean they utterly failed us.
	It wasn't a leadership vacuum, it was an actual acquiescence to the fascists like Fauci.
	Absolutely true, and it revealed a church that no longer believes in the supernatural.
	And by the supernatural, I don't mean things floating in air.
	What I mean is that there is a level above nature in which our values live.
	When you do harm to a child, Either by giving them drag queen story hour, or punching them, or whatever it is you do.
	Or putting a mask on them in school.
	They're putting a mask on them in school.
	When you do harm to a child, you have done something wrong.
	It's not wrong because we all agree it's wrong.
	If we all agreed it was right, it would still be wrong.
	And now you have a church that will not stand up for that principle because it no longer believes, just like everybody else, it no longer believes in the supernatural realm where those values exist.
	Those churches, like John MacArthur's church out in California, that stood up for those supernatural principles.
	And MacArthur said, I'm not here to cure your flu.
	I'm here to cure your sin.
	I'm here to, you know, help you live forever.
	Those are the churches that will survive.
	And the churches that lose that are going to die, and they should die, and we should let them go.
	You know, I think that that's fine.
	The one thing I have to say about the pandemic, and they call it the pandemic, but none of the ill effects of COVID were from the pandemic.
	They were all from government malfeasance.
	And respirators shoved down the throat of 80-year-olds.
	Yes, I mean, it was just a terrible act.
	It was a revelation of how bad the elites are, how dumb they are, what buffoons they are.
	But also with tyrants, if we do not have a church to stand up to that, we don't have a church.
	And so churches, as far as I'm concerned, if you can't find a church... When I was in L.A., I lived in L.A.
	for seven years, I couldn't find a church.
	I could not find a church that stood up for things that I knew were the basic Christianity.
	If you can't find a church, start a church.
	Have your friends come over your house and talk about the Bible.
	That's how the Christian faith started.
	That's how it started.
	And we may have to get to that again.
	I mean, Pope Benedict said that.
	He said, you know, we're going to have to get smaller before we get bigger.
	But stay in society.
	None of this Benedict option of going off into the community.
	No, no.
	In society.
	That's right, because then you start to have the protection that you need to be able to speak freely.
	I'd say, I'd say, not supernatural, transcendental.
	What you're arguing for is not supernatural.
	Alright, well.
	It just, it, it, it, people react wrongly, right?
	Well, that's, but that's why I like the word, because I think we actually are dealing with something that is above nature.
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	Alright, last cut.
	Mr. Mayorcus, I actually really want to thank you for coming here today for your performance.
	I have watched with absolute fascination as you have danced and dodged and lied.
	Yes, lied.
	We know you've lied.
	You know you've lied.
	But more importantly, the American public knows that you lied.
	And yet you believe that you and your fellow architects of the censorship industrial complex I think that you should be able to determine what is and isn't true.
	The FBI made the social media platforms pull that information off the internet if it came from conservative sources.
	Can you define what disinformation is?
	The FBI is not in the business of moderating content or causing any social media company to suppress or censor.
	That is not what the court has found.
	Did the U.S.
	government ever contact you or anyone at Twitter to pressure Twitter to moderate or censor certain tweets?
	We have a program.
	Yes or no.
	We receive legal demands to remove content from the platform from the U.S.
	government.
	Twitter was basically a subsidiary of the FBI.
	That's a clip I found Monday morning from the ultra-MAGA party.
	Nicely done.
	It's a great summation of what the permanent state is, the director of DHS, or whether it's Twitter in collusion with the director of the FBI.
	You mentioned it already.
	I'm going to bring the heat now, Andrew Klavan.
	I'm going to talk politics, because you know who I'm supporting for 2024.
	I think I know who you're not supporting for 2024.
	Contingently.
	When you look at clips like that, and what we've discussed, the targeting of parents by the FBI, the targeting of pro-lifers, the president's home being raided by our major, the FBI.
	Isn't it time to just admit it, Andrew, and say, politics as usual, or finding the guy, the most likable guy who can win, is done.
	It's over.
	It's berserker time.
	It's bulldozer time.
	When you see this, establishment politicians will never fix that.
	It's truly got to be somebody who comes in and says, like President Trump said, I am your retribution.
	Haven't we sunken so low that we need to think out of the box?
	Well, my point about Trump is a little different than this.
	I believe Trump was a godsend.
	I believe he opened the path that the Republicans did not have the courage or the mental wherewithal to go down.
	I'm not convinced he can take us down that path.
	He's more like a Moses who took us to the The mountaintop, but I think we need maybe a Joshua to take us in, who's a little bit better at governing.
	That's my problem, right there.
	But right now my argument is, outside of Vivek, who is doing incredibly well, outside of President Trump and Vivek, everybody else is an establishment politician.
	And my argument is, if you're an establishment politician who's been in Congress, or been a governor, or been a senator, you're never going to fix this stuff.
	You're going to want to get re-elected.
	I mean, there's only one person in America who can't get re-elected if he wins in 2024.
	It's President Trump.
	Every other stinking politician...
	is going to want, the day they put their hand up on the Bible and say, I am the commander-in-chief, is going to want one thing, re-election.
	I'm not afraid of the democratic system.
	I'm afraid of the democratic system being stopped.
	Neither am I. But I'm afraid of the bureaucrats I saw when I was in the White House, who said, I don't give a tinker's cuss, who the president is, I will decide policy.
	I'm afraid of those guys too, but I'm not afraid of a guy who wants to govern according to the usual democratic means.
	No, no, no.
	That's not the point I'm making.
	The point I'm making is, we have crossed the Rubicon of politics as usual.
	When the president's home is raided by armed agents of the FBI, when parents are being targeted with a special threat label called hashtag EDU by the FBI because they're going to school board meetings, politics as usual is done.
	You see, if you say that, then what do you replace it with?
	If you're not going to have a... By somebody who's not part of the system.
	Well, maybe.
	Or somebody who knows how to work the system for good.
	I mean, that to me seems the smarter path.
	The first time out, I wanted a guy in there.
	You know, I voted for Trump twice.
	I wanted a guy in there who was going to bust things up.
	But now I want a guy who's going to get in there and run things.
	He's going to staff his...
	He's going to run his administration well.
	He's going to be able to maneuver through Congress.
	He's going to get them to do the things.
	I think Trump made a change that was necessary.
	I'm not sure he's the man to implement the change.
	But you think a career politician is?
	Yeah, possibly.
	Really?
	Yes.
	I mean, politician is a profession, just like everything else.
	But that's not the point of 2016.
	I mean, I always revel in the fact that I, as an immigrant, have to remind my fellow Americans who were born here that they did something quite stunning in 2015.
	Yes.
	They chose somebody who wasn't a politician.
	Absolutely.
	Every single president was either a general or a politician.
	My argument is that's the future.
	We benefited from that and we suffered from it.
	We benefited from that.
	Right, but don't you think he learned in the last four years?
	I don't know.
	He's still surrounded by a lot of idiots.
	I mean, and that makes me feel like he's not good at staffing.
	You know, and I think staffing, everybody says, I think, and I think it's true, policy is personnel.
	And I don't think he knows what he's doing when it comes to that.
	And listen, you know, I don't have any personal animus against the guy.
	I mean, I'm Well, you actually said, I'm done with Trump.
	Yes.
	It became a little video clip that went up on the shorts on YouTube.
	I'm done with Donald Trump.
	Yes, the way I feel right now, the way he's behaving, the way he is focused suddenly on himself entirely and not on the country, the way he constantly goes back to his legal problems, which I believe are absolutely absurd.
	You know, I just don't think he's focused on the things... Give me the classic example.
	If you were facing 400 years in prison, wouldn't you be focusing on your legal issues?
	Listen, I have feelings for him, but that's not the point.
	You know, we lost Georgia because of his focus on... his sense that he had... the election had been stolen from him.
	In losing Georgia, we lost the Senate.
	In losing the Senate, we gave all that power to Joe Biden.
	That's not smart politics.
	And I'm sorry, if it takes a professional politician to do smart politics, the time has come for that.
	I think he got the message out.
	I think he did his job.
	I think he did what he was sent to do.
	And I think that that's a beautiful thing, but I do think that maybe we need somebody.
	And listen, you know, I've said before, like right now, Governor DeSantis is not running a good campaign, but I do think he has the capacity to govern.
	I've said before, there would be no Governor DeSantis if it weren't for Donald Trump.
	But maybe it's the time, this is his time now.
	And also, frankly, just on a general basis, I am absolutely tired of being governed by 70-year-old men.
	I think it's time to bring him in.
	You think he acts like a 70-year-old man in comparison to Joe Biden?
	I mean, I worked for the guy and I couldn't keep up with him.
	Oh no, he's an energetic guy, I know.
	That's putting it mildly.
	There is something about the vision of the young and all this.
	I don't know.
	You know, listen, if he's the candidate, I'm going to vote for him.
	It's not saying too much because I would vote for a plague of locusts
	before I voted for Joe Biden.
	But still.
	My argument is we need a plague of locusts to eat the corruption in the city.
	All right, let's one more question for somebody who has paid the price in Hollywood for speaking the truth.
	And today continues to speak the truth today, including in amazing books.
	His autobiography, The Great Good Thing, one of my favorite books.
	You should read it.
	And then also the pre-order for the new fictional work, the third in the Cameron Winter series, is the House of Love and Death.
	Is there going to be more?
	Yeah, I just finished the fourth one two days ago.
	Oh my gosh!
	Just sleep for once, will you?
	What is your message to those who don't feel they have it in them to speak the truth and think it's too frightening?
	There's no replacement for courage.
	There just isn't.
	Right.
	I don't complain about this at all, and I've never lost a minute's sleep over it.
	I lost a multi-million dollar career in Hollywood simply for saying what I thought was the truth.
	That's my belief.
	I can't prove it, but that's why I believe the phone suddenly stopped ringing.
	I had to sell my house, but I never thought, like, oh, I shouldn't have done that.
	And the reason is, because I know the guys who didn't do it.
	I've looked in their eyes, and I know that the price they paid is so much higher than the price that I've paid.
	You're going to have tough times.
	These are, the thing that you and I agree on, these are bad times, a dark time in this country.
	And it's a dark time because of the corruption of the DOJ and because of the corruption of the deep state.
	We're going to suffer if we stand up.
	People are being raided in their homes.
	They're being put on lists.
	They're being cancelled on social media.
	We are going to suffer.
	But what are you going to do if you believe in the country, if you believe in human liberty, if you believe in the sovereignty of God?
	What are you going to do but suffer and speak the truth?
	I don't understand what the choice is.
	Yeah.
	You know, you want to act smartly.
	You don't want to, like I said, you don't want to stick your head in the cannon's mouth, but you do want to strategize and move forward and always be serving the truth every day and not convince yourself that you're doing it while you're actually hiding in the closet.
	Can you do that as a secular person?
	I don't think you can.
	I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	I don't know why anybody would.
	If you didn't believe in a life beyond life, why would you?
	More objective truth.
	Yes.
	Why would you suffer at all in this world?
	All right, so get with God.
	Get with God, and then you'll find your courage.
	We're talking to Andrew Clavin.
	It's been superb.
	Could do it for hours.
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