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	It was a rigged election.
	Rigged?
	Even if it wasn't rigged.
	He's still saying it.
	But even if it wasn't rigged, let's say it wasn't rigged.
	Let's say it was a fair and that's who won and that's how it was going to be.
	Biden won.
	For sure it was rigged by the media.
	For sure.
	Just the Hunter Biden laptop case and the Russia collusion case.
	Just those two things.
	Just those two narratives that they knew were not true, that they pushed out.
	In front of everybody.
	And that we know...
	You know, had to do with trying to get rid of Trump.
	That was a big... That is... One over-reporting and one under-reporting.
	Yeah.
	That is, in many ways, that's... That's an attempt to... Manipulation.
	It's manipulation of a public narrative.
	It's manipulation of what the people think is real and not real.
	Everybody thought he was in collusion with Russia.
	It's what everybody thought.
	All these mainstream... Except Fox News.
	They were the only ones that weren't pushing it.
	Everybody else was pushing it.
	Yeah, it was sold hard.
	Yeah.
	I think that's important.
	Greetings dear friends.
	You don't have to be a fan of Joe Rogan, but his influence is, I think it's the biggest podcast.
	Tens of millions of followers.
	An individual who does three, four hour long episodes that garner viewership that no mainstream cable news or even streaming service can compete with.
	And he's not exactly of our tribe, meaning classical conservatives, although, you know, he likes his guns, he likes hunting, he likes eating meat, as he talks about often, smoking cigars and other things.
	He's a libertarian, really.
	A strange libertarian who was supportive of Bernie Sanders.
	What you heard just there, well, what was it?
	It was one of the more important cultural influences, I know that's an awful phrase, saying, yeah, President Trump is right.
	The last election was rigged.
	Even if you don't want to believe that it was rigged at the ballot box or with vote harvesting or with mules to use the terminology my colleague Dinesh D'Souza has popularized with his movie 2000 mules is a film you have to watch who were illegally harvesting ballots in states where you're not allowed to do so and then dropping them in bundles and pre-positioned drop boxes that were paid for by private entities and individuals like Mark Zuckerberg.
	Even if none of that happened, it was still rigged.
	How?
	By the media.
	By information that was propagated which was untrue, or information that we were not allowed to access that was suppressed.
	On the first hand, it was what?
	It was the Russia collusion hoax.
	For the full four years, you had elements of the permanent bureaucracy, the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, working relentlessly to not only accuse but to try and fabricate evidence to the effect that candidate Trump and then President Trump was in league with Russia.
	Actually forging official documents from the CIA and surveilling illegally US citizens with FISA warrants, with secret warrants that were not justified.
	Warrants which had exculpatory information hidden from the judge who issued them.
	So number one, the mainstream media propagating the Deep State's lies about Russia collusion!
	And secondly, perhaps, I mean, look, even more important, given the fact that President Trump, despite the lies told about him, garnered 10 million more votes the second time round.
	Just a little interesting tidbit of history.
	Please note this down if you want to get into a debate with somebody about election fraud.
	President Trump is the only president in U.S.
	history to get 10 million more votes to get more votes the second time round and lose.
	Never before in the history of the republic has a president received more votes four years later and not been re-elected.
	No president has won more than a dozen of the bellwether counties in America and likewise lost an election.
	That in and of itself should make you scratch your head a little bit.
	So number one, we have the propagandizing of the corporate establishment media.
	And number two, just a month before the election in 2020, what do we have?
	We have the suppression of information.
	You don't have to Photocopy ballots.
	You don't have to forge signatures at a polling station to steal an election.
	You can keep information from the American people and thus rig an election.
	And he's right.
	The FBI, the Department of Justice, DHS, the Permanent Bureaucracy did what?
	I've told those who control the majority of the information, meaning the social media companies, because who reads the newspapers today?
	How many newspapers are sold in America on a daily basis?
	Everybody used to read newspapers, every adult.
	Now barely anyone does.
	Where do people garner their information from?
	Wise people like you get it from talk radio.
	But most people get it on the internet, get it from Facebook, from Twitter, from whichever social media app they prefer.
	And what happened just before the election?
	The Hunter Biden laptop story.
	Two laptops that were damaged were deposited by Hunter Biden at a Delaware repair shop.
	He failed to pick them up and so relinquished ownership of them.
	The owner of the store looked at what was on those hard drives and he found them replete with evidence of felonies, multiple felonies to do with drugs, prostitutes, and then bribery.
	Communist, Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian business interests paying off Hunter Biden to be their representative illegally because he's not a foreign registered agent.
	And that laptop story was verified by people you know who have been guests on this show again and again and again.
	Miranda Devine, Emma Jo Morris of the New York Times, of Breitbart, And that story exploded in October before the election.
	But the deep state convinced Facebook and Twitter to suppress it.
	So much so that it was blatant.
	The story in the New York Post of the laptop from hell literally could not be reposted on Twitter.
	I remember, I remember the day I copied the URL from the New York Post, tried to retweet it, and Twitter wouldn't allow me to retweet it.
	Information about the Biden family, corruption at the highest levels, connected to our most inimical countries, our enemies.
	was suppressed.
	And we now know that at least 30% of Democrats have admitted that if they had known that story were true prior to the election, they would not have voted for Joe Biden.
	So yes, that is how you can rig an election.
	And Joe Rogan is right.
	So here's the question.
	What are we going to do about it?
	What are you going to do about it?
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	There we go.
	You tell me!
	When are you gonna drop that big story?
	Which big story?
	You said you're working on something really big you can't talk about.
	What was it?
	Oh, that was last week, dude.
	That was the Pedro thing.
	Oh, good!
	Of course you can talk about that with me!
	No, I know.
	I just couldn't talk about it then.
	All right.
	5,000 words, right?
	Yeah, that was like 5,000 words.
	Crazy, crazy.
	All right.
	Done any good interviews lately?
	I talked to Daniel Cameron this morning, so we'll have a big article about it soon.
	So, yeah.
	He's a Republican nominee for governor in Kentucky.
	Okay.
	What's his background?
	He's the AG right now, and he's backed by Trump, and Trump backed him in the primary, and this was when people were criticizing Trump's endorsement record, and he comes out and goes, remember when DeSantis was trying to say that the, you know, the culture of winning and whatever, or culture of losing with Trump, and then when he won the nomination, this was like a couple months ago, he comes out and goes, the Trump culture of winning is alive and well in Kentucky.
	Right?
	Like, to bash DeSantis, in other words, right?
	Like, and show that he's with Trump.
	But, because DeSantis backed a different candidate, a different horse in the race.
	Kelly Craft.
	She came in a distant third place, not even second.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, Cameron was pretty strong, so things are looking good there, I think.
	If the Republicans take that one, that's in November this year.
	That one and Louisiana, and I think Jeff Flanders is going to be the guy in Louisiana, but that's a little weird because it's jungle primary, but that could be a major boost for Republicans going into next year.
	A mini red wave, yeah.
	Yeah.
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	All right, what is happening in the swamp?
	The man who always knows.
	Well, he's Breitbart's Washington bureau chief.
	Of course he knows!
	A good friend of the show, Matt Boyle.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure to be here.
	All right, so I can't believe I'm saying this, but I will.
	Bags of cocaine found in the White House.
	What would have happened, Matt, if it was our administration and we were in the White House?
	If this happened when President Trump was in the White House, this would be like the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.
	There'd be cocaine gain everywhere, like all the whole media and everything.
	Look, Dr. G, you worked in the White House.
	You know how difficult it is to bring in something that you're not supposed to bring in?
	Yeah.
	Everybody has to go through Secret Service on their way in.
	You have to go through screening.
	You go through an x-ray machine.
	If you're pressed or whatever, you have to send your bag through.
	They wand you down.
	They pat you down.
	I mean, it's a big deal to go into the White House.
	The area where this was supposedly found, I know the story keeps changing.
	It does.
	It changes every couple of hours.
	Yeah, but the story where, okay, where apparently was found, and let's just go, even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and you go with their newest location, it's still very bad for them.
	It's a little less bad than if it was in that library, right?
	Because that has really restricted access, right?
	I mean, you're talking about the first family, you're talking about very senior staff type of a thing.
	But okay, let's say it was in the West Wing in one of those cubbyholes.
	I mean, that's, I believe it's outside the East Room, is where those cubbyholes are?
	And so, I've been in there before.
	I had to go because President Trump did a big thing in 2017 in that room, where the cubbyholes are outside, which is right off the West Wing lobby, by the way.
	And in that room, he did a big event with a bunch of conservative media folks, and it was like, you know, 30 or 40 people were there.
	And the fact is, is that we all have to put our devices, our phones and recorders and whatever, in the little cubby holes outside the room.
	And the people that get in there are very, I mean, they're White House staff, or they're like, very, you know, they've been cleared and they're on a guest list, you know, etc.
	They're there for a meeting or whatever.
	That's not like a place where a White House tour goes through, right?
	Like it's not, like the general public doesn't get to go to that area if they're doing tours, right?
	Like they just don't.
	Like it's just, that's not that kind of an area in the White House.
	And what tourist just drops bags of cocaine while they're walking around the White House?
	We know it's on a tourist map.
	It doesn't get a bag of cocaine into the White House because the Secret Service stops it at the gate, right?
	So that's the point here, right?
	The last time we've heard about a bag of coke in the White House was when the President of the United States, George H.W.
	Bush, held one up as an example of drugs that were confiscated as part of an anti-crime initiative like 40 years ago, right?
	You don't hear about bags of coke in the White House.
	Why?
	Because they catch it at the front gate.
	So if anybody was stupid enough to try to bring one in, they would have got caught there and that would have been that.
	Right?
	So it's like, how did it get in there?
	I don't know.
	Right?
	Was somebody not screened?
	And look, here's the other thing.
	I'm not saying that it was Hunter Biden's coke.
	It might have been.
	It might not have been.
	It might have been some staff or it might have been somebody.
	I don't know whose bag of coke it is.
	But the point is that... Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Don't forget your point.
	Can I just tell you?
	Having a live show in front of millions of people where we're actually saying, I don't know whose bag of coke it was in the White House.
	I feel like I'm in some surreal French movie or something.
	It really is.
	But here's the dangerous part of this is that however this got in there is what?
	Okay, it's a bag of coke.
	What if it was?
	an illicit substance like a ricin bag or something like that or a poison or something worse, right?
	I dislike President Biden more than anything in the world.
	I don't want anything to happen to him like that, right? And same thing with all the staff in
	there. And that's the thing is that what's to stop a really bad actor from trying, okay,
	somebody got a bag of coke and we're going to try something bad, right?
	Like, that's the thing, is that this is dangerous and they need to figure this out and they better get their facts straight and they better be very transparent with the American public about this.
	Well, this is how non-transparent they're being.
	This is the presidential press secretary, Corinne Jean-Pierre.
	Cut to!
	So what's preventing a visitor from bringing in anthrax or something that's not magnetic into the White House?
	You know, look, Weijia, I totally understand the question, but it is under investigation.
	Does the White House support the prosecution of this individual?
	I'm just not going to get into hypotheticals from here.
	Would the President be satisfied with Sir, this is a busy room and we found some cocaine.
	We don't know who brought it.
	So let's see what the Secret Service says, right?
	How determined is the President to get to the bottom of who brought illegal drugs into the White House?
	The President thinks it is incredibly important to get to the bottom of this.
	Um, Matt, why is she saying a hypothetical?
	It's not a hypothetical.
	It happened!
	Right, not only that, they had the deputy press secretary or whatever, Andrew Bates I think his name is or whatever, or one of them on a gaggle on I believe Air Force One earlier today and literally was asked, will you be transparent about this and
	refuse to say yes or no?
	And also was asked, can you tell us this bag was not the president's or his son
	Hunter's bag of cocaine? He would not answer the question, citing the Hatch Act. I mean, this is
	the Hatch Act. It has nothing to do with the Hatch Act.
	It's the most insane response ever, but the point here is that they can't get the basic questions about this right.
	It's not inspiring confidence.
	And again, our enemies and adversaries around the world are laughing at us.
	Well, not only that, they're making notes.
	So now they know there's a way to get illicit substances into the White House.
	That's important for our enemies, especially those enemies who had good relationships with people here in America, who have good relationships with people in places like China or Russia.
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	What's the feedback been like on the Pedro piece?
	A lot of people were just super shocked about it, right?
	Like, I don't think anybody's really defending him, right?
	Like, so, I mean, it's been more than a week and we haven't heard from DeSantis, so I don't think he's... And he didn't apologize either, right?
	Right.
	Well, Pedro's not apologizing, really.
	I mean, look at his responses to it.
	He's just saying, it was a different time in my life.
	He doesn't even say that he still doesn't believe that stuff, right?
	So it's a very odd response, I must say, from Pedro.
	But look, it is what it is.
	That's what they've decided to be, the DeSantis campaign, and all of their universe of people.
	So that's what they think wins more power to them.
	So weird.
	It's very weird.
	It's very weird.
	So, you know, it's very weird.
	It's almost as weird as, like, deliberately getting soaked and, you know, sending out pictures of it from parades.
	What was that?
	I saw that this morning.
	What was that?
	Apparently it rained when he was walking in the parade on 4th of July, which, by the way, it rains on 4th of July all the time.
	It rained here in Florida on 4th of July.
	Like, it is what it is.
	It's just like, dude, go inside.
	Like, don't just, like, you know, keep walking through the parade and, like, trying to be, like, a trooper.
	Right?
	Like, it's like... It's just so weird.
	Like, the guy's... He doesn't have it.
	So... I just don't understand.
	Why doesn't he just fire everybody and hire a new comms team?
	Because I don't think anybody else wants to go work there.
	Good point.
	Good point.
	I got a title in mind for that monologue.
	Yes.
	What was it about?
	Joe Rogan.
	Oh, Joe Rogan.
	Even Joe Rogan has come over to our side.
	That's good.
	The bag of coke at the White House.
	By the way, it's a crime scene, right?
	The White House is now a crime scene, right?
	They should have yellow tape around the whole White House.
	Look, I mean, it's technically in Washington, D.C., and I don't know what the federal crimes are on this, but in Washington, D.C., having a Schedule II substance is punishable by up to 180 days in jail and a $1,000 fine or both.
	Yeah.
	Can you come in with the... Oh, play Asa Hutchinson again.
	I want to come in with the ambulance audio.
	Okay.
	Play cut it.
	There's a couple of requirements, as you know, to be on the debate stage.
	One is our polls.
	Our polls qualify where we are in our polling nationally.
	We qualify for the debate.
	But then you have to have 40,000 individual donors and they can be any amount.
	We're not there yet.
	And we've got till like August 23rd to get there.
	So we have work to do.
	And we need people's support to get there.
	Now, Governor, there's a difference between 5,000 and 35,000.
	Where are you on that spectrum, in terms of number of donors?
	Well, we're above 5,000.
	So we've got, again, more work to do.
	We've got time to do it.
	You said, coming with that, the audio of the responders?
	Yeah.
	Oh, OK.
	Yeah.
	So we'll come with that.
	And I'll probably use that Hutchinson thing.
	Okay.
	Terpene, I didn't copy your results on the Gemini.
	Gemini's results are name match found with a red bar.
	Name match found in the library.
	We'll go ahead and come on out.
	We have a result on the Gemini.
	We have a yellow bar stating cocaine hydrochloride.
	Pass number 5-3, Pass 2-1, Pass 4.
	That's the Hazmat team talking about their results on the Thermoscientific Gemini handheld analyzer
	that identifies chemicals and explosives and things like cocaine.
	And here, you heard it!
	It was the library!
	Weird how the story changes every couple of hours.
	I trust the hazmat guys.
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	Before we move on topic, Matt, do you think they just, this story is a non-story by Monday?
	Do they just brush it away or do you think this is starting to stick like the WhatsApp messages from Hunter extorting money in the name of his father?
	Well, if we keep getting the non-answers from the White House staff and from the Secret Service that we're getting, like, it doesn't go away, right?
	They have to answer this stuff.
	Like, they have to tell us, was there DNA found on the bag?
	Was there fingerprints found on the bag?
	I don't know if there will be or not, but, you know, and then also, I mean, look, President Trump was onto something on his True Social last night, where he was saying, look at the tapes, right?
	There are tapes in there.
	You don't think there aren't surveillance tapes in the White House?
	Of course there are, right?
	So let's look at them.
	And we gotta look at the tapes, and we gotta see what they show.
	And I think you might even see someone put the bag of cocaine in the little cubbyhole, right?
	You don't think that area's taped?
	Of course it is, right?
	So there are surveillance tapes everywhere.
	It's the White House.
	So the fact is that they're gonna have to explain this stuff, and if they try to cover it up, they're gonna have a real problem.
	The Oversight Committee chair James Comer has already requested a briefing from the Secret Service about this, so they're not going to be able to cover it up.
	The question is, do they try to or not or whatever?
	And my advice to the Biden team would be be transparent, right?
	Be transparent.
	Let's see all the facts.
	Let's see whether the Secret Service is corrupt or not.
	All right, let's get back to politics on our side.
	My colleague Hugh Hewitt interviewed Asa Hutchinson, you know politics better than anyone.
	You've got to explain to me how these people actually think they have a shot.
	This is Asa Hutchinson finally admitting how few people actually want him to be president.
	Play Cut Eight.
	There's a couple of requirements, as you know, to be on the debate stage.
	One is our polls.
	Our polls qualify where we are in our polling nationally.
	We qualify for the debate.
	But then you have to have 40,000 individual donors And they can be any amount.
	We're not there yet, and we've got till, like, August 23rd to get there.
	So we have work to do, and we need people's support to get there.
	Now, Governor, there's a difference between 5,000 and 35,000.
	Where are you on that spectrum in terms of number of donors?
	Well, we're above 5,000, so we've got, again, more work to do.
	So we got again more work to do.
	We've got time to do it.
	5,000 donors out of a nation of more than 300 million.
	Matt, help me out here.
	Why do these people run?
	Look, there are two races happening right now for the Republican nomination for president.
	There's one man running against himself, right?
	And that's Donald Trump.
	And if Donald Trump just holds it together, he's going to be the nominee.
	I mean, quite clearly.
	Look at the polling.
	It's unbelievable, right?
	Even the Bushies.
	Matt Dowd was over the weekend saying that Trump's stronger than he was in 2016.
	That's 100% true.
	So there's that race, and then there's a race that everybody else is running, right?
	And no, DeSantis is not really on Trump's heels.
	That's not true.
	He keeps dropping in the polls.
	There's interesting people running, don't get me wrong.
	I like Vivek Ramaswamy.
	I think he brings a lot to the conversation.
	I like Tim Scott.
	I think he brings a lot to the conversation.
	A lot of these guys do.
	But the point is, let's face reality here.
	There are two races.
	There's one man against himself, and then there's everybody else.
	It's really that simple.
	But who does this person think he is with 4,000 donors that he can be president?
	It's nuts.
	It's nuts.
	It's so illogical and it defies reality.
	I don't even know how to deal with people like that.
	In the meantime, we will be amused.
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	I have to say, I did not go out on July 4th, and would not.
	The idea of going to a mass gathering, a parade, or a big fireworks thing outside seems insane to me, to be blunt, in America.
	Because America is awash with guns, and now people don't just have them, they seem to want to shoot people with them, and use them for whatever, you know?
	What do you think has changed in this country, which has always had a lot of guns, in the recent years, to make it a shooting gallery?
	Alright, you wanna come in with something?
	No, I'm gonna go to Kool's.
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	at 833-334-6752. Let's work down the numbers. Let's go to Phoenix, Glen, line 1.
	So I just wanted to touch with you.
	Mercedes Schlapp said last night on Newsmax that when she was an aide to Trump, that she entered the White House many times without being searched.
	And the only time that happens is when you're in a vehicle.
	They will physically go around, almost like when you go to the airports, where they check for bombs underneath with the mirrors.
	And she says that if you enter with a vehicle, you do not physically get checked personally when you get out.
	So I just wanted to I'm not sure if you were aware of that, but that... Glenn!
	Glenn!
	Calm down.
	Who did I work for?
	Mr. Trump.
	So you think I don't know the security arrangements in the White House?
	Well, I didn't know if you would say that, sir.
	I just wondered if you were going to bring that up or not.
	Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity.
	Yes, what she said is correct.
	If...
	You work for the administration like I did if you are a senior ranking politically commissioned officer and you have a vehicle pass as I did.
	I had vehicle pass number six for West Executive.
	I parked right next to the door of the West Wing.
	If you, so the way it works, is you drive through the delta devices the secret service checks your white house id nothing else doesn't check your driver's license doesn't check the registration of the vehicle you go through the delta that big barrier drops you pass through the barrier you show your
	I had a blue White House all-access pass.
	You have your vehicle sniffed, not always, but often sniffed by the explosive EOD canines.
	Not drug dogs, okay?
	There's no drug dogs patrolling the entrances to the White House.
	There's canine officers that have dogs trained for explosives detection.
	And that didn't even happen every day.
	But you go through, your car is not inspected, okay?
	I'm not personally inspected.
	I drive through another Delta device and I get to park my vehicle right outside the White House, outside the West Wing.
	I then walk into the West Wing, show my blue badge to the uniformed Secret Service agent who's sitting there at the entrance desk to the West Wing, And I am in the building.
	I can be carrying whatever I want to carry.
	Why?
	Because I have a clearance.
	I've been background checked.
	I'm a politically commissioned officer of the president.
	Everybody else, every visitor to the White House, goes through a multiple level security clearance, including magnetometers, but not, I hasten to add, unlike Andrea Mitchell, who thinks a magnetometer, it's actually true, she said this on TV, she said, a magnetometer?
	Couldn't find the cocaine?
	Yeah, you cretin.
	It detects metal objects like knives and guns.
	It doesn't sniff out drugs.
	So you're absolutely right.
	So thank you, Glenn.
	If you are a senior official, if you're a member of the family, you don't actually get patted down.
	You don't get inspected when you go into the White House.
	So I wonder who had that little baggie of cocaine?
	Let's go to Jewels, Brooklyn, line two.
	Hey, Seb, how you doing?
	Good.
	I am a retired IRS international examiner, and a lot of what has happened troubles me.
	I'm going to start with what troubles me the most, and you don't hear about it often.
	Two years of Hunter Biden's activities, where he was getting paid from CFCC, the Ukrainian energy company, he was getting paid a lot.
	Those two years, they let the statutes blow.
	And as an international examiner, that's like the biggest crime in the world.
	You can't do that.
	You mean they let the statute expire?
	They let the statute expire, yes.
	I call it statute blown statute.
	It expired.
	Now, it troubles me to no end because when we had a case, and I dealt on these kind of cases, International cases.
	We are notified six months in advance, at least.
	The statute's going to blow.
	Get extensions.
	Expire.
	Get extensions.
	And you've got to do it.
	If you can't get an extension, you have to then prepare a report taxing everything.
	And that means all the shell corporation income and whatever.
	Now, what bothers me even more on this part is they had received extensions in the past.
	So there was somebody saying, don't get extensions anymore.
	And it has to be.
	Well, look, here's the worst aspect of it, Jules, that I have from A former DOJ guy from the unit that deals with these issues.
	They've only discussed two years of taxes for Hunter Biden, 17 and 18, that he didn't pay $1.2 million worth of taxes on.
	The fact is, Jules, your colleagues were investigating eight years of unpaid taxes.
	Eight years.
	So why are they only talking about two years, and what happened to the other six?
	Well, they let the statutes... No, no, no, no, no!
	Forget letting the statutes... These are... These came later.
	These are the years 18 to today.
	I'll tell you, Seb, that's the next problem.
	You can't have a settlement.
	I was involved in so many deals and settlements.
	But you have to lay out the entire tax.
	The whole history, right?
	Right!
	You have to go through those shell corporations.
	They have to have business purposes.
	You have to trace the money, where it's going, who gets the income of it, who contributed, who has ownership.
	You have to go through all that.
	And when you do, you're able to determine who gets what income.
	We're out of time, Jules.
	Stay on the line.
	A very, very important call.
	I want to say a thank you to you.
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	The Senate Judiciary Committee here in California, today, this morning, quite a few parents, quite a few people were there.
	The Senate Judiciary Committee here in California, today, this morning, quite a few parents,
	quite a few people were there.
	Senate Assembly Bill 957 got passed.
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	There was a large group of us at Planned Parenthood praying and I guess right now we've lost, but we are not giving up.
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	But let's continue with a story from yesterday.
	We had Ben and Jerry's, these center millionaires who've made money out of selling you really overpriced ice cream in tiny little tubs.
	But hey, we're capitalists, so if they have a product that people want to buy, Good for them.
	But then you shouldn't trash the country that made you multi-multi-multi-multi-millionaires.
	And our old good buddy, Joe Concha.
	Well, let's just say he's had enough.
	Cut five!
	And when you see people like Ben and Jerry, for example, like the governor brought up, bashing this country on the 4th of July when they earned so much money, $700 million annually for their overpriced ice cream and all the 31 flavors of stupid names that come with it.
	So please, feel free, Ben, Jerry, to donate your profits to indigenous lands.
	And while you're at it, Move your corporate headquarters to an Indian reservation and employ those folks if you care so much.
	In other words, Jason, always judge people by their actions and not their words.
	And if Ben and Jerry's wants to soil the 4th of July in this country on social media, then back up your words.
	It's really that simple.
	Yeah, if you're sending out tweets about how America should be given back to the indigenous nations, well, Let's start with you.
	Let's start with your company out of Vermont.
	I'm sure that the Indian tribes of Vermont would like to have a well-functioning, money-making venture just dropped on their laps and perhaps you could move elsewhere, Ben and Jerry, but it's so strange.
	They don't want to.
	But it's okay!
	There are some leftists who are waking up and who are Starting to understand things the way we understand things.
	It's sad, it's annoying that it's a homophobe like Joy Reid.
	Whatever happened to that FBI investigation of your blog that, quote-unquote, got hacked because of all those nasty homophobic things on your blog?
	They weren't written by you, were they Joy Reid?
	But at least, when it comes to guns, maybe she's asking the right questions.
	Cut six!
	I have to say, I did not go out on July 4th, and would not.
	The idea of going to a mass gathering, a parade, or a big fireworks thing outside seems insane to me, to be blunt, in America.
	Because America is awash with guns, and now people don't just have them, they seem to want to shoot people with them, and use them for whatever, you know?
	What do you think has changed in this country, which has always had a lot of guns, in the recent years, to make it a shooting gallery?
	That's the right question.
	That end bit, she actually had, you know, like a broken clock, a moment of clarity.
	We've always had lots of guns.
	This is America.
	It was built on dangerous men going forth, taming the wilderness, fighting, you know, those indigenous peoples who really weren't that nice.
	Just study a little history about what they did to each other, yeah?
	What the native Indians did to each other.
	And guns were part of that.
	Settling the West.
	But it's strange.
	We didn't have mass shootings.
	We didn't have 19-year-olds, 21-year-olds take a gun and then shoot up a shopping mall or a school like we do today.
	Why is that?
	Could it have something to do with you, Joy Reid?
	Maybe you're responsible, or people like you, who hate America, detest the principles upon which it was founded, and think things like intact families, strong male role models, teaching young men the boundaries for what is and is not appropriate, and for when force is justified, and for when it isn't justified, Well, when you don't have that, that's when guns can become a problem.
	But you don't want a gun on July 4th because you might get shot.
	But where?
	Where might you get shot?
	Because I pretty much can guarantee for you, I mean, you know, I don't wish harm on you at all, but I can pretty much guarantee that you would be safe anywhere that's run by Republicans, Republicans reside there and they have Second Amendment protections.
	Hang out in, you know, Republican parts of Texas.
	Hang out in Republican parts of Florida, Arizona.
	The places you don't want to go to.
	Hmm, where are people getting shot on the 4th of July by transgender black BLM supporters?
	Oh, it's Democrat cities.
	It's Philadelphia.
	It's Baltimore.
	It's Chicago.
	Isn't that strange?
	That you, as a Democrat, aren't safe in cities run by Democrats.
	And in most cases, run by Democrats for decades.
	Decades on end.
	That's where the violence occurs.
	It's not white men shooting black men.
	No, because white supremacy isn't a thing in America.
	We have 9,000 young black men killed every year.
	Not by the Proud Boys.
	No, by their fellow young black men.
	It's not a conservative problem.
	It's not caused by conservatives.
	On the contrary.
	It's caused by you, Joy Reid.
	People like you.
	Who think that you don't need intact families.
	You don't need to go to church.
	You don't need faith.
	You don't need conservative values.
	You don't need to celebrate America.
	You can hate everything about this nation.
	And as such, you deconstruct You dismantle, piece by piece, the building blocks of a society that keeps it functioning, that protects the vulnerable, that teaches young men, no, if you have a disagreement, you don't pull out a Glock and slot somebody.
	But that's the Chicago way.
	That's the Democrat way.
	Asking the right questions, but coming up with the wrong answers.
	Eh, Joy?
	How's that homophobia going for you?
	All right, let's squeeze in a call waiting very patiently with an interesting idea in Colorado Springs.
	Line three, who do we have?
	Jason.
	Hey, Jason.
	Welcome to America First.
	Thank you, sir.
	I have an idea for a t-shirt.
	Go ahead.
	So on the front, small emblem, 10, the number 10% with the caricature of Biden at top hat.
	Uh-huh.
	And on the back, simply, 10% for me, and the hookers and blow are free.
	Just ask Hunter.
	Hang on.
	We have Joe in a top hat like the little Monopoly guy in the front.
	Do we have a picture of Hunter with his hookers on the back?
	Well, Hunter, we could have a caricature of Hunter at the bottom.
	With a rolled up dollar bill in one hand and a pistol raised in the air in the other hand.
	Or maybe a bag of parmesan.
	I like that.
	Stay on the line, Jason.
	Let's give you a signed copy of Defeating Jihad.
	I do think we have to have a new t-shirt that celebrates or commemorates the first son.
	I mean, seriously, we can't have America First products without something that memorializes the fact that we have a A junkie, Russia-whoring friend of the CCP dropping dime bags in the library of the White House.
	Eric, what do you think?
	Do we need a t-shirt with Hunter Biden?
	I think the best way to have any reference to Hunter Biden, his face or otherwise, is if it is mercilessly mocking him.
	Yeah.
	I think we may have arrived at that time.
	Jeff is away.
	He's on a very special mission this week.
	But he's still working at a distance.
	But we will have a powwow.
	Can you say powwow?
	Do I have to have a certain skin color to say powwow?
	We will have a confabulation with Randy, our merch master, and also Jeff.
	And we might.
	We've got lots of ideas.
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	Do they really want to come after it?
	Let's talk to the man who always speaks the truth about the climate hoaxes of the Climate Depot, Mark Morano.
	It's been a while.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Happy to be here.
	And Yes, by the way, just one quick interjection here.
	Not only are they going after your pizza, but there was a report from 2019 World Economic Forum funded Michael Bloomberg and FedEx involved and IKEA that literally by 2030 they want to limit your clothing choices to just three garments per year.
	This is the idea of to avoid a climate breakdown.
	Three new clothing items per person per year by 2030.
	So yeah, if you're losing weight... Hang on, hang on.
	Who said that?
	Who said that, Mark?
	This is a 2019 report from a group called 40 Cities.
	And it's a group that's funded by Michael Bloomberg.
	He was the president.
	It's all these mayors from across the world got together to come up with a 1.5 C temperature Target.
	And one of the things that was buried deep in the report was the, quote, ambitious targets to get people to have three new clothing items per person per year by 2030 because clothing and garments have a huge carbon footprint.
	So anyone out there losing weight, all excited to get new clothes, you might be facing some climate limits to the clothes choices you have.
	That's like being in prison, right?
	You get one overall and two pairs of underpants.
	I guess they want to treat us all like we're in their prison.
	All right, Mark, talk to us.
	I find it hard to take these stories seriously.
	You mentioned one in the break that is even more absurd than pizza.
	But are they really trying to make it that poor pizza store owners in New York have to put filters on their ovens?
	What is going on?
	This is something the New York Department of Environmental Health, this was done actually under Mayor de Blasio back in 2015.
	They inserted all the language.
	Now the bureaucracy, unelected of course, is pushing this and what they're saying Is that the emissions from these pizza ovens are causing public health problems and yes, climate problems.
	Media Matters and others have said this is not a climate, it's an air pollution.
	The mayor himself talked about reducing the carbon footprint of these pizza ovens.
	So these are coal ovens and wood-burning ovens.
	Now in the case of the coal oven, some of these are a hundred plus years old.
	They go back to the 1900s, some 1915.
	And they've been running in New York City and they do an extra hot pizza.
	It gives you a certain flavor and a crust.
	And so now, in 2023, New York City Department of Health is claiming it's unsustainable, both for the planet and for public health.
	And they want to start forcing these pizza places, many of them mom and pop, independent, non-corporate chain, non-woke, to get scrubbers and some of the pizza people were
	owners were estimating to be twenty thousand dollars plus you face
	fines inspections by government bureaucrats and you you face the possibility of just not being able to
	afford it and of course what's going to happen then big corporate will come
	in buy you out and they'll be able to afford the climate compliance cut so i
	have to ask you it's happening it's not yeah but but
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	I need to ask you something.
	If you have visibility, I mean, because you've written, you know, the library on this stuff.
	You wrote The Great Reset.
	You wrote The Green Fraud.
	You wrote the book that gave me your introduction to the amazing work you do, which is The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change.
	These should all be on your bookshelf at home.
	But do you have any idea what is driving these people?
	You're literally destroying mom-and-pop businesses that the people of New York love.
	If I'm in New York, God forbid, this is the place where I'd go to get a snack.
	Are they anti-capitalists who just want to destroy these companies?
	Do they hate fun, good food?
	Or are they just really these brainwashed climate lunatics?
	Well, this impulse goes back in the United States to Woodrow Wilson's presidency.
	It's the idea that the expert class can look at society and say, no, this isn't right.
	We've given people too much freedom.
	They've made a mess of it.
	They've created a climate catastrophe, a racial crisis.
	They've created environmental disasters.
	We need to come in as experts and fix things.
	And this means getting rid.
	Why do they want to get rid of the small?
	Think back to COVID lockdowns.
	Who did that hurt?
	There was estimates of 60% of the small mom-and-pop restaurants in New York and other major cities would never reopen because they crush the small ones.
	We're seeing the same thing in airlines, by the way.
	Bloomberg News.
	Climate compliance costs are making cheap airfare a thing of the past.
	It's all to favor essentially the ruling class wealthy.
	And what I mean by that is, when you look at these regulations,
	they want this to happen because the small pizzas are the ones that are gonna be less compliant
	with things like vaccine mandates, mask mandates.
	If a big corporate chain ends up buying out these pizza houses that have been family run
	and small business for 100 plus years, and they are then literally they will go woke overnight
	because they control corporate, that's one of the impulses.
	The other is, this is the Sovietization of American culture.
	It's an ideological thing where everything they look at is a climate problem, it's a climate.
	I mentioned to you the clothes.
	We're talking about pizza now.
	There's ice cubes.
	Everything now is coming under the umbrella.
	Gas stoves and your gas-powered cars eating meat.
	They want to control every aspect of society and they're using the alleged climate emergency to gain this power.
	And that's what's so sinister.
	And most of this is coming from unelected bureaucrats imposing this through executive branches without votes of the legislator or Congress or Parliament in the case of Europe and other places.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is the kind of shocking parallel to the European Union where, you know, you have these unelected bureaucrats that just make a decision and then it has to be implemented by, you know, dozens of nations across the continent.
	This is happening in New York.
	You won't believe what King Charles has said and then The regulation of ice cubes has only just begun.
	I wish it were a Monty Python skit, but it's in fact the truth.
	Follow this man right now at Climate Depot and get his books, The Great Reset, The Green Fraud, and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change.
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	There's actually the whole meeting.
	Mayor Adams now has been called out.
	All the pizza owners are banding together, a new association.
	They threw pizza over the mayor's... I saw that.
	I saw that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	...need to meet with them and they get enough attention.
	I think they will.
	They're not trying to ban pizza, but they're just trying to compliance costs, raise the price and pound the hell out of small businesses.
	That's the issue on the pizza.
	And it takes 849 years.
	According to our rough estimate, if you have a wood-burning stove, and that's running 24 hours a day, seven days a week, these pizza ovens obviously aren't, to equal one year of John Kerry's private jet usage that we know of.
	And so we're talking almost a thousand years of John Kerry getting away with private jets.
	And there's no regulation.
	France did the two-hour flight, half-hour flight bans for commercial travelers forcing people on the road.
	But private jets are still legal.
	Incredible.
	Incredible.
	And what's the ice cube thing?
	This ice cube thing is an article in Scientific American, a once prestigious publication.
	Could we do with less ice cubes?
	Scientific American touts ice cube restrictions The magazine pushes unsustainable ice cube practices, urges climate-friendly cocktails.
	So if you order your whiskey neat, you're saving the planet all these years and didn't know it if you don't get ice in it.
	Sustainable ice cube practices.
	I love that.
	And there's also, you know, the same thing as medicine.
	American Cancer Society fretted over the carbon footprint of cancer in 2020.
	Fast forward, we now have a cancer drug shortage because they took their eye off the prize.
	And guess who's saving us from the cancer drug shortage?
	China.
	And now you have hospitals worrying about the carbon footprint of hospitals, according to Politico.
	And they're talking about installing water timers on surgeons when they scrub up for the surgery so they don't waste as much water.
	This is the kind of bonkers stuff happening.
	This is a, you know, it is.
	It's the Sovietization of the once free West.
	We're copying China's.
	China's technological methods as we do it, you know, with the social credit system.
	Unreal.
	But that's pretty big.
	It's amazing all the stuff that just keeps, it's relentless.
	But my real problem, Sebastian, is when you look at Kevin McCarthy in the House.
	Actually, I think that's a good question.
	I think that's a good question.
	I think that's a good question.
	Ask him today what he thinks of climate.
	Oh, climate's a problem.
	We have a solution.
	We're going to plant trees and capture carbon.
	They will not challenge the narrative.
	A whole delegation of Republicans went to that UN summit in Egypt.
	Who do you like?
	Which one of the Republicans is good on this stuff?
	Oh, there's a lot of good ones.
	Everyone from Rand Paul to Ted Cruz and Thomas Massey.
	There's a lot of good.
	I'm just talking about the leadership is kind of weak, particularly even Mitch McConnell.
	Mitch McConnell is not weak when it comes to talking, but he just doesn't, they don't see the big issue.
	I mean, they're taking away the American automobile.
	They're taking away our plentiful diet and meat.
	They're going to make it more expensive and restricted and they're doing it without a vote.
	And that's what I just don't understand.
	Republicans, They're starting to understand when it comes to gas stoves.
	They have a bill in Congress now to ban gas stove bans.
	But still, they don't really get it.
	It's not about voting on the Green New Deal.
	None of this stuff is being voted on.
	on. It's being implemented through the executive branch and executive orders and corporate
	government collusion.
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	Mark, I don't even want to ask this question because it sounds so absurd, but you mentioned the phrase, what did you say?
	Ice cube protocols or sensitivity to the use of ice cubes?
	What is the latest lunacy beyond shutting down the mom-and-pop pizza ovens of New York?
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	This isn't coming from some Greenpeace blogger that I'm pulling out and making hay.
	This is coming from the organs of our establishment, the organs of academia and corporate America
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	This is in particular, the Ice Cube, is coming from the Scientific American,
	which everyone who follows science issues has heard of Scientific American.
	It's been around for 50 plus years.
	It was a premier science magazine.
	And their question is, could we do with less ice cubes?
	They're touting now ice cube restrictions, the carbon footprint of ice cubes in cocktails.
	and they're calling them climate-friendly cocktails.
	And they're going in and talking about how much refrigeration and freezers and making ice cubes.
	And they actually interview a bar owner who opened up an ice cube-free bar in San Francisco, I think it was, in 2019.
	And they just did a little footnote.
	The bar is no longer open.
	Gee, I wonder why?
	Because they put climate-friendly cocktails above the interests of actually tasting good and their clients' happiness.
	This could spark a revolution.
	I mean, I grew up in England where if you want ice with your drink, you get one.
	Or maybe, if they're being a little excited, two cubes in your drink.
	And I'm not kidding, I was there ten days ago and it was the same.
	A drink had two ice cubes in it.
	But this in America, you expect your glass to be full of ice!
	This is dangerous stuff, Mark Morano!
	Who would have thought when you ordered your whiskey neat, meaning just some straight whiskey, you were saving the planet all these years!
	I mean, I think a lot of people will be smiling now.
	They've been doing their part.
	This, I think, when they get to this level, This is about submission to the overlords.
	I mean, they want you to know that whether you believe in a climate emergency or not, you're going to have regulations in your life affected as though we had one and as though these kind of solutions, if you will, would take over.
	And they're doing the same thing, by the way, in the medical care, hospitals, Politico, big article about hospitals going Climate friendly, and they're talking about timers for surgeons when they scrub their hands so they don't waste water.
	They're talking about the effects of anesthesia, the carbon footprint.
	American Cancer Society fretting over the carbon footprint of cancer care.
	Would you go to a doctor worried about the carbon footprint of your cancer care?
	But this is our future, if we allow it.
	Incredible.
	Last thing I mentioned, the UK, you said something about King Charles.
	We've got a minute left.
	He had some wacky ideas way back when.
	It sounds like he hasn't given them up.
	Yes, if you remember my film Climate Hustle in 2016, we detailed, he called for a 100-month climate tipping point.
	I believe it was late 2008.
	And he did a countdown, 87 months, we have six years, all the way down to zero, ended about 2017.
	He then issued a new climate point, 35 years, and then he went silent for a while, but he just came out this week with the Mayor of London, a climate clock.
	Six years, 24 days or something, and it's the same clock they had at the UN, but now King Charles is putting the royal family and Buckingham Palace behind just six years and some change left before we're doomed from climate change.
	Unbelievable.
	Just like Greta Thunberg, who's five year warning on the end of the world.
	I think it expired last week, but we're still here.
	It's so weird.
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	Alright, is something happening for the better in Palo Alto, or at least in one federal court in America?
	Let's talk to the man who has the answers when it comes to Big Tech.
	He investigates it for that conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart News.
	He's the author of Deleted, Big Tech's Battle to Erase the Trump Movement and Steal the Election, Alan Bakari.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hello Sebastian, good to be back.
	Alright, so Alan, we talked about this story, I think I did a whole monologue on it yesterday about this judge who said, sorry, emergency stop order, FBI, DOJ, DHS, you can't keep Doing an end run around the Constitution and asking Twitter and Facebook and everybody else to censor conservatives.
	You must cease to communicate with them.
	Is this just one judge and it'll be swept under the rug already?
	There's a counter action being taken in the courts by the Biden administration.
	Or could this actually be significant?
	I couldn't imagine a better ruling, frankly.
	It's not just telling them they can't censor Americans, it's saying they can't communicate with these social media companies, even to encourage them to censor Americans.
	So it's really the best possible ruling you could hope for and shows you what a strong effort has been made by the state of Missouri in their multi-state lawsuit against the Biden administration.
	I think this case is going all the way to the Supreme Court, frankly.
	And we'll see what happens there.
	And then this one proviso, which is reasonable of course if you want to keep America safe,
	is the judge said no contact between government agencies trying to censor conservatives, no
	contact between them and the social media platforms, unless it's to investigate a specific
	crime or unless it's a national security issue.
	My immediate reaction was, well then they're just gonna, you know, redefine what national security is and, you know, being a conservative will be a threat to national security.
	Do we expect the deep state to just use that as a get-out clause, Alan?
	I can certainly see that happening.
	I mean, they'll always be looking for those loopholes.
	And we've actually seen in the Twitter files and some of the disclosures from this lawsuit them doing exactly that.
	You see the CISA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, saying, well, Yes, our remit is to defend American foreign cyber attacks, but that includes disinformation.
	We see other agencies trying to label Americans as agents of Russian disinformation.
	So they'll try and use that loophole, but I think it makes it much more difficult for them that they can't just say, oh, well, this account is spreading misinformation or malinformation, information that's true but harms our policy goals in some way. That's that's
	the concept they've used before and tried to censor American
	accounts. So it does make it much more difficult for them.
	And the other good thing is that I think some of the Silicon
	Valley companies are now wiser to the fact that the deep state will use these kind of manipulative tricks on them.
	We've seen in the Twitter files that, you know, even some of the left-wing people at Twitter were like, were amazed that you had agencies and NGOs trying to label American activists and American journalists as, you know, Russian propaganda agents.
	Yeah, I love that definition.
	Malinformation.
	Information that's true, but isn't good for Democrats.
	Like, I guess, you know, the contents of the Hunter Biden laptop.
	We're talking to the investigative tech reporter for Breitbart.com, Alam Bakhari.
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	Alan, I don't know what to make of this because I'm quite happy using the existing platforms, but allegedly Zuckerberg launched a new... Zuckerberg launched a new app to compete with Twitter and then got 10 million subscribers on the first day.
	Is this a big deal?
	Should Elon Musk be worried?
	Or if we look at how Meta is struggling now, this is just another desperate attempt.
	Give us your take on this new social media platform.
	It could be a big deal.
	We have to wait and see how successful it's going to be there, because it's one thing to get a lot of subscribers on day one, but a big question is, are those subscribers going to stick around or are they going to get bored after a few days?
	You have to look at the long term to see if they actually stick there, if there's something keeping them on the platform rather than people just checking it out because it's in the news today.
	It's a big story.
	It's linked to Instagram.
	You know, it's already had a stumble right out of the gate.
	I mean, very characteristic.
	We just did a story on this on Breitbart.com.
	You can check it out.
	Right out of the gate, they censored Donald Trump Jr.
	So, you know, it kind of shows you why the motivations behind this platform, that they've censored a big conservative on day one.
	People who try to follow Donald Trump Jr.
	on threads will get a message saying, well, this account has been Flagged multiple times by third-party fact-checkers spreading spreading false information
	So right away it's doing that.
	And that just goes to show that I think, you know, a big motivation behind Threads is because Elon Musk took over Twitter and started reversing those censorship policies.
	You had Facebook executives ahead of the launch of this app saying, well, there's huge demand from public figures and personalities for a sanely run platform.
	He didn't specifically name Twitter or Elon Musk, but it's clear what he was talking about.
	You know, insanely wrong to me sounds like a euphemism for, you know, we need to go back to the old days.
	We need to have a platform where we can make sure the Conservatives don't get to say what they want and the First Amendment is defined by us.
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	But not anymore.
	That bureau, which has been the subject of TV shows and movies, well, they've besmirched themselves.
	And if they come knocking on your door, and you haven't done anything wrong, what are you going to do about it?
	Because that's exactly what could happen.
	Here's a little clip.
	Hi, we're looking for Elise.
	I'm sorry, she's not here.
	Can I ask what this is in regards to?
	Yeah, sure.
	My name's Ashley Roberts and this is Kathleen Brown.
	We're both with the FBI.
	Okay.
	We just need to speak with her regarding some information that was sent in to us.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Do you mind giving us her residence or her phone number by chance?
	Sure.
	She's not in any trouble.
	We just have information that we need to ask her about.
	I think they probably said the same thing to Mike Flynn.
	He's not in any trouble.
	Don't worry.
	Just give us his whereabouts, her phone number, and they'll be fine.
	Agents Robert and Brown.
	What has happened to the Bureau, and why were they looking for Elise Ketch at her mother's home?
	Hardly very efficient.
	They don't even know where she lives.
	Well, let's ask her.
	She's in studio.
	She's been on the show before, but never here in the America First studio.
	Elise Ketch, thank you for coming in.
	Thank you for having me.
	So tell us, for those who missed your prior discussion with me here, that abbreviated discussion, what is the story?
	Why was the Bureau coming for you?
	Are you like a bank robber?
	Had you kidnapped somebody?
	What was going on?
	No, I'm just a pro-life progressive.
	So I work for an organization called Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising, and I'm associated with someone who's currently being persecuted in federal court for helping save lives.
	And so I think being associated with that person is my best guess as to why they were trying to get information out of me.
	Did they ever track you down?
	Did these agents ever find where you are?
	No, never.
	And what had your friend done?
	What was her crime?
	Allegedly blocking an abortion clinic that has been doing late-term abortions past birth.
	Is this part of the act that they're using against other pro-life demonstrators to say, oh you can't block these clinics and you're threatening abortions therefore federal government can come down on you?
	Oh yes, the FACE Act, absolutely.
	And I'm afraid that it's now extending to me.
	Right, so explain how that is.
	So tell us first a little bit about your fascinating ... named organization, the Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising.
	The website, we can put it up on the screen, is paaunow.org.
	You can follow Elise at Antipersonhood.
	That's at Antipersonhood.
	I haven't met, I have to say, as a cradle Catholic, I haven't met many progressive anti-abortion campaigners.
	So tell us a little bit about your viewpoint and the organization.
	Right, well, I think that being pro-life is the progressive position, because when you look at it from a power dynamics perspective, who is upholding the status quo, that's going to be pro-choicers, the status quo against prenatal children.
	And we're trying to expand human rights to those children, so that's actually a progressive policy.
	And I got involved last year when Roe got overturned.
	I was out there, and I found these other progressives dressed like me, looking really cool, and I was like, hey, what are you up to?
	And they drew me right in.
	So that's Theresa Bukovinak is our executive director, and then Lauren Handy is our director of activism.
	All right, so you can make the argument, and we'll dissect it, that this is the correct progressive stance, that the unborn also have human rights, which seems kind of logical.
	But let's start with the reality.
	The left is pro-abortion.
	The Democrat Party.
	You cannot be a mainstream candidate at any level, whether it's local, whether it's municipal, whether it's state, whether it's federal.
	You cannot be a proud, pro-life Democrat.
	Why is that?
	Why is it that most of the people who would say, they're progressives, love Planned Parenthood, love Margaret Sanger, and think that this is about women's rights and women's choice?
	Because you are the outlier.
	Oh yeah, I'm totally the outlier.
	I'm the scapegoat too.
	I think that our party looks at it that way because of the attacks on transgender rights.
	They see that as part of bodily autonomy and think that that applies to everything, even the murder of children.
	So while they see that as a legitimate healthcare position, they also think that abortion is legitimate healthcare, completely ignoring that there's another person involved.
	But the transgender issue is a far more recent issue.
	Oh yeah.
	Abortion has, you know, if you go back to Roe v. Wade, that's 50 years ago.
	So talk about why it is the default setting on the left to be pro-abortion.
	Have you analyzed why that is the case and why you are the outlier?
	Oh, it's easy.
	Money.
	So who is funding these campaigns?
	Who literally was contributing millions of dollars to campaigns to keep people in power?
	Planned Parenthood and the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
	So the Democrats really don't want to let go of that funding and the power they get from it.
	And that's one of the most frustrating things for me as a progressive.
	I'm anti-capitalist and that's part of my organization's values.
	And seeing how the Democrats have been sold out to this very pervasive corporation is just so frustrating.
	So what happened to you?
	It sounds like this was a recent decision.
	You met these people.
	You met these progressives who were against murdering the unborn.
	You're using powerful language.
	Language I would agree with.
	Was it an overnight decision?
	It sounds like this was a new identity for you.
	Not the progressive, but the pro-life.
	What was the trigger?
	What happened?
	What made you say, okay, that's something I want to be part of.
	I've always been pro-life, so I'm also a cradle Catholic.
	We do share that.
	But it was, yeah, when Roe vs. Wade was overturned, and just before that, a few months before, when Justice for the Five happened.
	So the story of that is at that clinic that Lauren Handy allegedly was blocking, there were children, five, that they found in a box on the sidewalk that had been murdered, possibly after birth.
	This is a big story.
	That's a big birth, yeah.
	Let's unpack it.
	So Justice for the Five.
	Where does the story begin?
	It doesn't begin with the body part.
	So does it begin with a demonstration, with people outside the clinic?
	Walk us through her story, the whole story.
	Right.
	It begins with Teresa and Lauren outside the clinic preparing to do, allegedly, a rescue, which is when you cross the property lines, go into the clinic and start speaking to the women in the waiting room and try to convince them to leave.
	So not outside, not when they're going in, but actually on the property of the clinic.
	Yeah, disrupting the property lines, saying that this is not a legitimate business and we're not going to respect it.
	So what happened next?
	What happened next, they did not do any rescues because they saw a medical waste truck from Curtis Bay outside on the street loading boxes from the sidewalk onto the truck.
	And they, Lauren and Teresa, had already discussed, weirdly, What they would do in that scenario.
	And so they knew what to do and they hopped into action and they went up to the person packing the boxes and said, would you give us one of these boxes?
	And the guy was like, okay, why?
	And they said, well, we think it's full of dead babies, just a guess.
	And he was horrified as any normal blue collar worker.
	So he didn't know what he was picking up?
	No idea.
	No, he didn't.
	And then what happened?
	And then he said, well, what are you going to do with the babies?
	And Lauren said, being very Catholic herself, said a funeral and a burial.
	And he said, OK, you can take it.
	So they took one of the boxes and then ran into the bushes and hid.
	And then how did they get in trouble with the FACE Act?
	With the FACE Act?
	That was actually from years before.
	So two years before, allegedly, Lauren was blocking the door to this clinic.
	But because we already knew that Santangelo doesn't use feticide in his later abortions, which means he's dismembering children alive.
	Oh my gosh.
	Who is this person?
	Is that the person at that clinic?
	Yeah, that's Cesare Santangelo is the abortionist.
	And live action years ago, almost a decade ago, got undercover footage of him admitting he doesn't use feticide.
	So that could also possibly be why, when they looked at the bodies of the children they found, it appeared that they had been pulled out of the womb and had their brains sucked out with a vacuum.
	So killed outside of the womb?
	Outside of the womb, yeah.
	Or left to die.
	Give us those two ladies' names so we can keep them in our prayers.
	Who are these two ladies who are being persecuted?
	Teresa Bukovinak and then Lauren Handy.
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	Come in with the, uh, the protest.
	So that was a recent pro-life demonstration with a large banner depicting what our guests,
	friends and colleagues saw when they recovered those babies' bodies at that abortion clinic.
	And a protester interposed herself in front of the pro-life protesters and started screaming, we love killing babies.
	Again and again and again.
	We love killing babies.
	Now, Elise, help me out here because you're on the front line, your friends are being persecuted, your mother's home is being, you know, feds are coming onto her doorstep looking for you.
	So you must have some answers.
	What makes a young woman like that scream, we love killing babies?
	Have you tried to get inside of their head?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, part of being part of the left for so long is understanding deeply this mindset, because these are my friends.
	And I gotta say, it's indoctrination.
	I mean, 50 years of Planned Parenthood putting lies out, NARAL putting lies out, and saying, these aren't really babies.
	So when she says babies, she doesn't mean it.
	She doesn't think babies are people.
	It's a provocation.
	It's a provocation.
	That's what's going on.
	But they must know that something ends, whether they call it tissue or something.
	Something is happening to that woman's body on the inside.
	Why are they celebrating it?
	There's another video, I'm sure you've seen it, of three young girls, they must be in their teens, going past a pro-life demonstration, and they lean out of the car and they're screaming, we love abortion!
	And they're laughing and they're giggling and they're filming it on their phones.
	To me, that would seem like a cult.
	I think it's very culty.
	I've actually looked into cults and then compared it to the cult of Planned Parenthood and been like, whoa, that's way too close.
	So you agree that there could be an element of not just indoctrination, but kind of cultic behavior?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, we even see that being incorporated into actual cults, you know, like the Satanists.
	They're not a cult, but as a religion, have a ritual about abortion now.
	Alright, so you said you're of the left still, because you're progressives.
	Walk me through what it's like for Elyse Ketch to suddenly become very vocal about being pro-life, support her friends at these demonstrations, go out there, come on my show, do other interviews, you came on my Newsmax show.
	What happened to you and your relationships with other people on the left?
	What is it like to be Elyse Ketch today?
	To be at least catch today is to keep in mind that there are children in the medical examiner's office in DC still that haven't been buried.
	Those five children.
	They're what really convinced me to speak out and start saying loudly you are being lied to and being on the left I'm always telling my friends you're being lied to, and you're literally spreading lies.
	I have the facts to back it up, I have the evidence, and they don't want to believe what they see.
	It's really, really sad just how they use denial as a coping mechanism.
	I presume you've lost a lot of friends.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	So how do you deal with that?
	And tell us, no names, I don't need any names, but how does it happen?
	Do people say, well you're just a fascist now, or a conservative, or you're against women's rights.
	How do they react to what you're doing?
	How do you lose those friendships?
	What are the talking points they throw at you?
	Right.
	The people that really came after me and called me, you know, woman hater and fascist, they actually stayed in contact with me later because they were somehow engaging with the conversation and the ideas.
	Most of them saying, well, fetuses aren't people, and me saying, no, fetuses are people, logically.
	Let me explain the logic to you.
	But when I actually lost friends, they just stopped talking to me.
	They quietly unfriended me, blocked me, just stopped speaking to me.
	Like cowards, they just dropped you?
	Absolutely.
	And then the ones who insulted you and said, you're a woman hater, you're a fascist, but they maintained engagement.
	What happened to those discussions?
	Where did they go?
	Some of them pittered out, whereas a couple of them, they followed me for about a year while I was just talking openly about abortion.
	And they came back to me a year later and said, you know, you've really changed my perspective on what the pro-life movement is.
	Not necessarily on how I feel about abortion, but at least on how I feel about you and your people.
	So, most interesting question for me is, what do you think is the most effective thing you've said to those?
	To those who change their opinion or start moving towards where you are, have you identified something that is like, oh, they go, oh, I didn't think about that.
	Is there something common?
	What's the most useful talking point that helps you convince people that you're right and they're wrong?
	I think the most useful talking point is saying that personhood is an empty social construct.
	If you're talking in leftist language and saying gender is a social construct, say personhood is a social construct.
	We have to explain that.
	What is this personhood word?
	Because you've got it on your Twitter bio, anti-personhood.
	What is personhood?
	Who uses it?
	What does it mean?
	A personhood is a philosophical and legal term that means someone who has equal rights to you, a being that has equal rights to you.
	So you could see that as God possibly has equal rights to you, a ghost, I don't know, an alien.
	Some animals that are really intelligent and saying that these should have some sort of fundamental rights, especially... So is it a synonym for sentient being?
	In a lot of ways, but I don't think sentience has to define personhood.
	Okay, and why are you anti-personhood?
	I'm anti-personhood because I think we should just drop the idea of it entirely.
	Because?
	Because it's just a construct that has been used throughout history to demean people, to dehumanize them, and then to justify murdering them.
	Like, you look at people saying that the Jews are a parasite, the Nazis saying that, that's an easy one to reach for, and how We now say that fetuses are parasites, but we did that to indigenous people.
	But how does that link to the concept of personhood?
	Talking about personhood and parasites are two different things, right?
	It's saying that they are not a person, they are a parasite.
	You can't be a parasite and a person at the same time.
	So what would you favor?
	Do we just delete it and say humans?
	We talk about humans.
	What is better than personhood?
	What do you prefer?
	I think the most effective strategy is to keep saying person because people get confused when you say human.
	Like, your skin cells can be human, your hair can be human.
	They start using it as an adjective rather than a noun, but you can't use person as an adjective.
	Just person, yeah.
	That sounds pretty logical.
	I like that, all right.
	Now, finally, after the, what is it, second or third time I've interviewed her, I get it why she's called anti-personhood on Twitter.
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	By the end of this discussion, I may, may understand how somebody who still calls themselves a progressive is pro-life.
	I'm trying to kind of get my head around that.
	But in the meantime, talk to me about what it means to be so passionately pro-life And your relationship with conservatives, because I imagine, you know, you must go to the pro-life events or, you know, demonstrate outside the Supreme Court or what have you, and 90% of the people there must be Catholics, pro-life conservatives.
	Do you talk to them?
	Do you have friendships with them?
	What's that like, to be where you're from but have that commonality on the issue of the unborn?
	Absolutely.
	I followed Teresa Bukovinak's lead on this.
	She said the reason the progressive groups have never survived in the pro-life movement is they refuse to collaborate with the conservatives.
	They refuse to make alliances and to use networking.
	And so I took her lead on that and started becoming friends with conservatives.
	And actually now I'm like six months into this.
	I think conservatives are really nice people and very Yeah, I know this is not news to you, but it was news to me because I was in a liberal bubble for a very long time and thinking, oh, conservatives actually have wonderful personalities.
	I definitely still disagree on most subjects with them, but we can get along at least on the idea that the most vulnerable humans should not be killed.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	So when you look at the other things they believe in, Do you think it's peculiar for you that you're so passionate about this one thing that so many people on the right agree with?
	Explain to me or unpack how the progressive melds with the pro-life because that's so unusual.
	Is there any tension for you there, Elise, given what the rest of the left says?
	Given what the rest of the left says, it's just literally dealing with what they're saying and realizing that what they're saying is not consistent with the values they've presented to me up to that point.
	It's crazy when I hear them talking about, yeah, black lives matter, and then saying, but not all lives, not all these babies' lives, not the black babies' lives.
	That's pretty crazy.
	It's just the tension of dealing with the people and not so much with my own ideas that I feel are very consistent.
	So, we are anti-carceral at Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising.
	Explain what anti-carceral means.
	It means that we are opposed to incarcerating women for getting abortions.
	And when abortionists commit abortions, we think that their assets should be liquidated.
	The abortionists.
	Yeah, the abortionists.
	And they should give reparations to the community and try to make a sincere apology for hurting those children.
	When you raise, I'm curious because this is the dark secret you can't discuss, when you raise with people on the left that the abortion industry in America was built upon Margaret Sanger, who was a eugenicist, who was a racist, and the fact that the disproportionate number of abortions are black babies, and that really the abortion mill industry is racist, do you ever get Democrats to even believe that?
	Do they understand how racist Planned Parenthood is?
	Yes, they do.
	And that's another one of the great points that people change their mind on after a year of talking to me, was just, oh, maybe the industry is really, really bad.
	They still think abortion is good, but they realize, oh, the industry is terrible and racist, like you say.
	So I think that's where they realize they have this cognitive dissonance.
	Right.
	That abortion's OK, but killing lots of black babies isn't, because that's cognitive dissonance.
	Yes, exactly.
	Right.
	So how do we cross that barrier?
	How do we get them to understand that it's not the industry that's the problem, it's the act?
	I think just saying it's straightforward, abortion is murder.
	My organization has really pushed to bring that back into the movement and I've been seeing it in more places.
	Just say what it is.
	It is murder.
	It's not healthcare.
	It's not self-defense.
	It is just plainly unjustified killing.
	Yeah, I love it.
	I love it.
	Don't beat about the bush.
	Call it what it is.
	We're talking to Elise Ketch of the Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising.
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	You're pretty new to this movement, right?
	Pretty new to being very open and active in it.
	Okay, so prior to that you had the same views on Pro-Life, but then you became an activist.
	Yes, exactly.
	I tend to be, I don't know, maybe a little bit too close to the issue or too rose-tinted in my appreciation.
	But especially with Roe v. Wade, I think the good guys are winning.
	Do you think we're winning?
	Absolutely, I think we're winning.
	I think that we love life and we celebrate life.
	The propaganda on the other side, it stinks of death.
	I'm quoting someone here, but yeah, it does.
	And so when we celebrate life and we celebrate how much we love life and we embrace it, that means we're going to win.
	I hope our movement doesn't feel too discouraged.
	I've seen so much movement, especially in these past three months, on the front of ending the FACE Act, getting justice for those five babies, and overturning the abortion pill regime.
	So this is very exciting.
	Right, now that's going to be a huge thing.
	Do you think the abortion pill can be overturned?
	I think we can ban it, absolutely.
	So let's talk about, again, I want your help.
	When you're talking, so we talk about indoctrination, we talk about people who are, you know, screaming these things to be provocative, like, we love abortions, or laughing about it.
	You know, I love killing babies when they don't even believe it's a baby.
	If we are to deprogram, if this really is a cult, and I think it really is a cult, if we are, because I don't know if you've seen this new TV ad, there's an amazing ad where they use sarcasm for about a minute and they say, oh, you're pregnant, what, are you going to have a fetus party?
	And then, you know, they keep using the word fetus for this pregnant lady.
	And at the end, this little girl, this, you know, five-year-old girl comes up to the pregnant woman, puts her hand on the tummy and says, It's a baby, silly.
	It's not a fetus.
	I mean, it's using humour.
	How do, what is the best way to communicate to a twenty-something, especially a woman in their twenties, about this issue?
	Because, yes, you're right, it is murder, but with somebody who's indoctrinated, we can't walk into a room and say, hey, do you know Planned Parenthood is mass murder?
	It kind of shuts down the discussion, even if it is a holocaust.
	I mean, it is mass murder.
	We talk about, what is it, eight, nine hundred thousand babies a year in America alone are killed.
	So, give us a guidebook.
	Where do you begin the discussion?
	If you have to begin the discussion with somebody who's young, who hasn't heard anything else, hasn't hung out with you or me, where does that discussion even begin?
	That discussion begins, I think, with humor, like you said.
	You have a little bit of laughtivism, is what we call it.
	So, have a light stance about it, kind of joke around a little bit, and then come back in with the serious punches and say what it is, abortion is murder.
	And that's going to sandwich it between those jokes so that it doesn't just shut them down in their indoctrinated minds.
	The other thing to do is gain their trust, really become their friends, listen to them.
	Deep pain, because they have lost a sibling to abortion, they have had an abortion, they were almost aborted themselves.
	Lots of stories like that on the left.
	So they don't realize that they are projecting this deep pain they don't know how to deal with, and you just have to be the person who says, it's okay, and you're safe with me, you can tell me these stories.
	And then eventually, once they trust you, they start listening to your actual reasoning, and that's what starts to get the wheels turning.
	Do you believe, I mean we have this system in America where it's really two parties, I mean there are other parties but, you know, functionally it's two parties.
	Do you think that the Democrat party can be ripped away from the abortion industry?
	Is that realistic?
	Yes, I think so.
	I think we can be a lot hotter than them.
	So that's one of our principles also at Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising is make it really hot and make yourself look relatable.
	You need to be relatable to these 20-somethings.
	So I'm actually really excited to say that I'm on a Presidential Exploratory Committee for a pro-life Democrat candidate for 2024.
	Wow!
	I'm very excited about that.
	We'll have an official announcement sooner or later.
	Soon?
	Alright, you're going to tell us as soon as it's ready?
	Oh yes, absolutely.
	But I know who I'm voting for, for once.
	This is great.
	So I'm very excited.
	It gives me hope, because you look at the Democrats of the past, you know, the JFKs, the Scoop Jacksons, and you realize these individuals, whether they're pro-national security or pro-life or what have you, simply would not Be allowed in today's present Democrat Party.
	In addition to the youth, have you got any tricks, any smart approaches, any talking points?
	Because I think the greatest tragedy of all is how black America has been used by the party, has been profited from with regards to the abortion mill.
	What's the best approach there?
	Can white pro-life people talk to black Americans to help them understand?
	Can we cross that bridge?
	Where do we begin the discussion with those who are really being targeted for a Holocaust?
	Absolutely.
	Start it on the sidewalk in front of your local abortion clinic.
	Say, your baby already loves you, you're already a mother, and I'm here if you need anything.
	Those very simple words are very powerful.
	I've seen success in them in ways I didn't expect.
	Women will come out of the clinic like five minutes later and say, okay, here's what's going on, can you help me?
	So... You mean after you've spoken to them before?
	Before they came in the clinic.
	They'll go in and then change their mind?
	Yeah, they'll change their mind and walk out.
	You tell them.
	And you keep yelling through the door.
	You can change your mind.
	You can get your money back.
	You are allowed to leave.
	You do not have to do this.
	And women will listen.
	It's crazy.
	Because so many of them, they are being targeted.
	They don't actually want this.
	So, the easiest way to reach out to black Americans is to meet them at the abortion clinics.
	But also, I just talk to them on the street.
	I put up flyers, I put up stickers, and they love them.
	Black America doesn't want abortion.
	And that was surprising to me as a liberal person who had also sort of been indoctrinated.
	Okay, unpack that sentence.
	You mean subconsciously they know it's wrong?
	No, they consciously know it's wrong.
	Really?
	Yeah, they do.
	And they're still walking into the Planned Parenthood?
	Yes, we call this a survival abortion, where you knowingly murder your child.
	And that's the most tragic.
	What's the survival aspect?
	They think that's how they are going to survive and save their life?
	Yes.
	By aborting the child?
	Yes, yeah.
	Wow, this is fascinating.
	All right, we probably have to get this woman back, because this is opening all kinds of doors for me in the discussion.
	This could really be a nuclear answer to how we stop what is literally mass murder every single day here in America.
	Elyse Ketch is our special guest.
	She's a digital content creator.
	She's with the Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising.
	The Twitter account is at Antipersonhood.
	We believe in persons!
	Not personhood.
	And the website is p-a-a-u-r now dot o-r-g.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	If you have a cell phone, and I know you do, please promise me something.
	It's not connected to one of the big cell phone providers.
	You know who the big three are.
	Why?
	Because they're woke!
	They hate you and they hate America.
	They, every single year, donate millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood.
	Just stop on that issue for a second.
	Why would you want to fund Planned Parenthood with every call you make and every text you send?
	That's insanity!
	There's only one Christian conservative cell phone company in America, and it's pro-life, and they're called Patriot Mobile, and it's the one I use.
	I switched all my family's lines to Patriot Mobile.
	You should too.
	They have free activation with my name.
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	Call 878-PATRIOT or just go to patriotmobile.com slash Gawker.
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	patriotmobile.com slash Gawker.
	Alright, you used a special word previously.
	I think I know what you meant, but when you say, we have to be hot on this issue. We have to be hotter than
	the, you know, the pro-murdering abortionists.
	What does hot mean? Does that mean shouting through the doors of the clinic that you don't need to do this?
	You can get your money back? What does that, what does hot mean?
	It actually means attractive.
	You mean that hot?
	I mean that hot, yeah.
	Tactics, that I know.
	Yeah.
	Tactics, you're more aggressive than conservatives are.
	Absolutely.
	You could call that hot, Ben.
	I mean, it speaks to what the left was doing with the Black Lives Matter movement.
	It's using some of their same tactics, both against them and to help them.
	Because we're trying to save them just as much.
	Maybe some people disagree, but I don't think even leftist babies should be murdered.
	Babies are babies.
	At the end of the day, looking like someone very cool and attractive is what starts people identifying with you and then going, I want to be you.
	I could be you.
	I'm cool and attractive, but let me join you.
	Well, she's in a very fetching outfit.
	She's got a summer blouse on, but some very short shorts and some boots, some very serious kind of protesting boots, if you know what I mean.
	So if you're just listening on radio, she is living it.
	Last couple of minutes, you're talking to about three and a half million people right now.
	If somebody shares this link with somebody who's, they don't even have to be left wing if they're just pro-life, because there are Alleged conservatives who are pro-choice.
	What is your message to those who haven't thought about this issue?
	But who think, yeah, this is important, this is women's rights, this is healthcare.
	What would you say to the millions of people right now?
	Where does this conversation begin?
	What do you say to them?
	Who say, this is about women's rights!
	What do you say to them?
	I say go to J4Five.com and look at those five babies.
	Go look at the Justice for the Five babies and then let's talk.
	I want you to see what you're supporting before we even begin this conversation.
	The pictures are powerful, right?
	Very powerful and very disturbing.
	So just giving your viewers and listeners a warning that they are disturbing.
	Is that J-F-O-R or J the number 4-5?
	F-O-R.
	Okay, J-F-O-R-5.
	These are the children that were found by the progressive anti-abortion activists at which clinic?
	At the Washington Surgery Center in Foggy Bottom.
	That's just around the corner from here.
	That's just a couple of miles from where we're sitting.
	That's literally one metro stop away.
	Yeah.
	All right, guys.
	It says it in the Bible.
	The truth will set you free.
	Look at the photographs of what an abortion is.
	Look at the evidence of the five babies found.
	That's when the discussion really begins.
	A wise man once said, The civilization will be measured in the final analysis by how it treats the most vulnerable, the aged, the poor, and the unborn.
	Let not our civilization be found wanting.
	Let us stop the mass murder.
	God bless Elise Ketsch and all of her colleagues and everyone who is fighting for the unborn like our very own Antoinette.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	You've been listening to America First one-on-one.

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