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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: More Lies about the Cocaine in the White House

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	It's a weird week, isn't it?
	Does it feel like Friday to any of you out there?
	It doesn't feel like Friday to us here, at least, given the fact that it was a truncated or bifurcated week.
	Given Independence Day.
	But we will soldier on and celebrate as if it is Friday.
	Greetings, dear friends.
	You're listening to America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former deputy to the 45th President of the United States, Donald John Trump.
	And we have an amazing show for you today.
	We will be making movies great again in the third hour with my buddy, Chris Coles.
	We will be taking your calls as well.
	But first, latest updates.
	What is it?
	What's the correct title?
	Cocaine Gate?
	I heard my friend Vince Colonnais sitting in for Dan Bongino say, that's rather unimaginative.
	I know, but it gets the message across that there is a scandal in the White House and it concerns some illicit substance that the first son is rather partial to.
	Now, I posted a little video On the way home from the studio yesterday, it's already at a quarter of a million impressions.
	If you haven't seen it, then, you know, it's only 60, 77, 60, 77, 60 or 70 seconds long.
	It's on all my social media platforms, so Twitter, Facebook, whichever, look at it.
	I'll summarize it for you now and then I'll give you some latest developments thanks to our colleague James Rosen at the White House, our chief White House correspondent for Newsmax.
	They're lying to you.
	They're utterly lying to you about well-trafficked areas and anybody could have dropped it.
	No.
	Not true.
	Firstly, the reports were that the white powder was found by the library, which is not a general access part of the White House.
	It's part of the residence.
	Even if you work in the White House, you don't hang out in the residence.
	You have to have a very good reason for going there.
	In my time in the White House, I was only there once in the library when President Trump invited me after private dinner To see the library, to see the residents.
	And I was a deputy assistant to the president.
	Now, thanks to James Rosen, we'll post the pictures online, he accessed the model of chemical testing device used by the District of Columbia hazmat team that was called in to identify the white powder.
	And we played the audio for you of how the hazmat person said, we've tested it with the Gemini device.
	It is cocaine hydroxide.
	We have a yellow strip confirming the chemical nature of this device in the library.
	That was audio that was downloaded, intercepted by the Daily Mail.
	It's not classified.
	You can listen to it.
	I posted it as well.
	We played it on the show.
	James Rosen, Managed to acquire one of these devices.
	and provide a photograph of its digital screen where you can see the word library on the device meaning that's part of the computer files of the chemical testing equipment it has a library of samples to match against that which has been detected so to know whether it's anthrax or cocaine or talcum powder or icing sugar it has a library of samples which some are now saying Is what the hazmat team were referring to.
	Not the physical location of the white powder, but the confirmation as per the computer files in that library concerning the chemical makeup that was tested.
	Okay.
	So now we have the latest spin!
	That it was actually found outside the Situation Room.
	Now, I'm going to give you a little bit of inside baseball because, as you know, let's put some photographs on the screen.
	I served in the White House.
	That's me outside the Situation Room.
	From many moons ago, in fact, before I was a deputy of the assistant, that was 19...
	Deputy of the President, that was 1990...
	Oh my gosh, 1998, when a good friend of mine was military aide to Vice President Cheney.
	And he invited me to the White House as his guest.
	He had all the clearances and I was his escorted guest.
	And there I am standing outside.
	You can see it says there, White House Situation Room Restricted Area.
	Okay?
	That's where they say the white powder was found.
	Now this is interesting.
	Because that Situation Room is underneath the West Wing.
	It's next to the Navy Mess, where the staff of the White House can go to eat breakfast or lunch.
	And nobody walks past there as a visitor, unescorted.
	You don't have tours of the White House past the Situation Room.
	In fact, in front of that, you have the desk for the Uniformed Secret Service Officer Who will intercept you the second you walk through the West Wing doors.
	And you better show your permanent pass, your either blue all-access pass, or your temporary visitors pass, and be escorted by somebody if you are a visitor.
	So you don't just wander past that room, past the most secure part of the West Wing, unless you are meant to be there, or unless, as Dan Bongino has pointed out, you are a protectee, meaning you are a member of the family Or the cabinet.
	If you're a cabinet member, right, you're a protectee as well.
	For example, you know, the Marshals protect the Attorney General.
	Those people, their protective details as well, do not go through security checkpoints because they're members of the First Family.
	And here's one final detail, just so you know how you are being spun and lied to.
	We have a couple of more photographs of me on my literal first day in the White House.
	There's me outside the entrance to the West Wing.
	I had a full beard that day.
	My wife hated it.
	I had to get rid of it very, very rapidly.
	Goatee beards are okay, according to Katie Gawker, but full beards, no, no, no.
	But how did I get to work that day, and every day, in the White House?
	In my soft-top Mustang, parked right there on what is called West Exec.
	That is the most prime parking space in the world, short of where the President's beast sits.
	I had parking permit number six, which means I could park my Mustang literally at the entrance to the West Wing.
	Now, how did I get my vehicle in there?
	That's an interesting question.
	like I was, a deputy president or an assistant to the president.
	You don't go through any security checks like normal human beings, meaning you don't have
	to walk through a magnetometer, you don't get patted down, you don't get, you know,
	inspected physically.
	As you roll up to the 18-acre White House compound, you have to go through something
	that is called a Delta device.
	You've seen them at military bases.
	It's a massive piece of steel that comes out of the ground and can be lowered.
	Okay?
	That's technically called a Delta device.
	The Delta device is around the White House, controlled by the Secret Service.
	I'd roll up to the Delta device.
	They'd recognize my vehicle.
	They'd lower it.
	I'd show them my White House badge and my parking permit for West Executive Avenue.
	And they'd clear me.
	I didn't even have to get out of the vehicle.
	I wasn't wandered.
	I wasn't inspected for firearms.
	Every couple of times a year.
	A German Shepherd would walk around the car to sniff it for explosive devices, not cocaine, and I would be waved on.
	And then another gate would open onto West Exec, and I would park right there.
	Why?
	Because I've got a top-secret security clearance.
	Because I've had my background checked.
	I've been fingerprinted, you know, before I became an employee to the President.
	That's very few people.
	And if you're a member of the family, you don't have any of that.
	The Secret Service ushers you in.
	But at the end of the day, we know whose bag it is, right?
	Because...
	You know, Hunter Biden.
	Crackhead.
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	Alright, so Jeff confirmed we've moved forward with Bedsman.
	Yeah, so he is C&D now.
	Yep.
	Right.
	I'm sending you another photograph.
	Copy that.
	Okay.
	we decided to invite a couple more to join us for a little meditation.
	Two minutes.
	Oh, why didn't that come across?
	Did that come across?
	What kind of file is that?
	I'll try it again.
	PhD.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I just got a blank text from you.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's some kind of weird format.
	Let me try that again.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Uh, come in with cut one.
	Oh, no.
	No, I'll do PhD, then I'll tee up cut one.
	Copy that.
	Oh, actually, no.
	Come in with two.
	That's too good.
	Come in with two, and then I'll do PhD.
	Come in with cut two.
	You're right.
	I'm sorry.
	you you
	Thank you.
	You know, I'm cynical, and Judge, you can be too at times.
	How is it that we've never had cocaine in the White House until we have somebody with a record of using cocaine who was in the White House just about the same time?
	I'm cynical enough to think that it's not just an accident, that in fact the policies of the White House that let Hunter Biden in let somebody in with cocaine, and they got stoned and forgot to take it with them, apparently.
	I do like Daryl Iser, Congressman Iser saying, just kind of logical observation.
	We've never had cocaine in the White House, found by the Secret Service or anybody else, until the President's son, who has a cocaine problem, is elected and becomes the Commander-in-Chief.
	There's a Latin phrase for that.
	Quad erat demonstrandum.
	Q-E-D.
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	But there's no program that's going to help the Vice President of the United States.
	She's done it again.
	Please try and tell me what on earth she is saying here.
	Cut one.
	Well, I think culture is, it is a reflection of Our moment and our time, right?
	And present culture is the way we express how we're feeling about the moment.
	And we should always find times to express how we feel about the moment.
	That is a reflection of joy because, you know, it comes in the morning.
	We have to find ways to also express The way we feel about the moment in terms of just having language and a connection to how people are experiencing life.
	And I think about it in that way too.
	Hey, John, can you help me out there?
	What did she just say there?
	Can you, like, summarize that for me?
	I have no idea what she was talking about.
	But it comes in the morning, right, Alex?
	It comes in the morning, whatever it is.
	Yeah, I think she was trying to sound profound and she just totally lost the plot.
	Is that why she started giggling at the end?
	I think so, yeah.
	All right, this is Biden's insurance policy.
	This is the person that if they try to get rid of him, if they try and primary him or push him out of the way or force him to resign, She's the next in line!
	It's incredible!
	I want to have some fun.
	Would you please, Gi, just play Cut One one more time?
	Well, I think culture is... It is a reflection of our moment and our time, right?
	And present culture is the way we express how we're feeling about the moment.
	And...
	And we should always find times to express how we feel about the moment.
	That is a reflection of joy because, you know, it comes in the morning.
	We have to find ways to also express the way we feel about the moment in terms of just having language and a connection to how people are experiencing life.
	And I think about it in that way, too.
	That's stunning.
	Is that possibly the most stupid person to ever be within a heartbeat of the presidency?
	She actually thinks she's saying something, and then maybe she Realizes that she's going nowhere and then she cackles.
	I mean, that makes Dan Quayle look like a Mensa member.
	Like Ben Carson.
	Nobody ever mentioned Dan Quayle again after what we've heard from that woman for the last two years.
	All right, let's get back to her boss.
	The man who strangely, and maybe it's on the orders of his real boss, Jill, doesn't recognize the fact that he's got another grandchild.
	It's not five, as he thought, or six.
	It's actually seven.
	There's a lady of...
	Well, interesting background.
	A rather comely lady who used to take her clothes off for a living.
	And she got to know Hunter Biden.
	Hunter Biden sired a child with this stripper.
	Who he has been forced by court to recognize as his child.
	He denied it!
	He denied it and said he didn't have enough money.
	I guess $83,000 a month from just one of his crooked deals.
	This time with the Ukrainian gas company Burisma.
	I guess $83,000 a month wasn't enough to pay child support to a London breed.
	Not London breed.
	That's the mayor of San Francisco.
	I know the little girl is called London.
	Although she's not allowed now.
	One of the deals That he managed to negotiate last week through his attorneys is that he's going to start paying child support, but he's not going to allow them to use his name.
	That's who Hunter Biden is.
	But it's really the family.
	We know that the Bidens just like to use each other because they're not nice people and even exploit tragedy.
	Here's Charlie Hurt on Fox dishing the facts.
	Cut sex.
	When he talked about his family, people in Washington also kind of knew that he was less of a family man and more just willing to exploit his family when it served to benefit him.
	If you remember in 2016, basically after President Obama decided to support Hillary Clinton, which foreclosed Biden's ability to run in 2016, He blamed his decision to not run on the death of his son.
	Right.
	And then, of course, you know, he has exploited the biography of his first wife who died 50 years ago with his daughter.
	And in that accident, both of his sons were injured.
	He's, of course, taken that story and twisted it around to talk about how the driver of the truck was somehow drunk, which is completely false.
	The accident was caused by when she pulled out in front of a truck driver who was just driving.
	But that sort of callous, heartless willingness to exploit even your family and then turn around.
	And who's embarrassing here?
	The family or the Bidens?
	Yeah, who's the embarrassment?
	Is it the stripper with the darling little girl?
	Or is it Hunter Biden dropping baggies of coke in the White House?
	He didn't even mention, Charlie didn't even mention how Joe Biden lies about Beau Biden's death, his son's death, about how he died in Iraq.
	No he didn't.
	He died of brain cancer back here in America.
	Who does that?
	Unbelievable.
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	flagged on the FBI watch list as very dangerous, a flight risk, a top category threat.
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	I hope one's coming.
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	You got it.
	Yeah.
	Do you talk to the Border Patrol guys?
	How do they even get up in the morning?
	Yeah, so right now the administration has rerouted this massive number that were going to come through the brush between ports of entry, and they're rerouting them through the ports of entry, where there are awnings to block against sun and rain, and also Fox News drones.
	So you can't see the long lines, hundreds of yards long, of people that are being But how are the guys doing?
	Do you talk to their officers?
	now. 45,000 a month just through the land ports and then the Border Patrol on the
	other end, the CBP has to process them in to whatever city they want to go to.
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	We're back with Todd Bensman, the author of Overrun, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S.
	History.
	Todd, there's a shell game going on.
	There's the biggest con job in U.S.
	policy we've ever seen where The Secretary of Homeland Security, his flunkies, even the President and Kamala will say, oh no, no, no, no, it's record lows.
	We are in complete control of the border and immigration is a trickle.
	Will you explain how they do that?
	Because basically, They're simply relabeling illegals as legals, processing them electronically in Mexico, and then just waving them into the country.
	But you know the details.
	How are they getting away with saying, oh, nothing to look at here?
	That's right.
	It's called CBP One.
	It's an app on your phone.
	You can download it.
	I can download it.
	Anybody can download this thing.
	And what they're essentially doing is they're taking Tens of thousands of immigrants who were planning fully to cross illegally and turn themselves in, which is a terrible optic, and they're giving them permits, crossing permits, for the bridges, and then just bringing them through under the sun awnings that protect against the sun and the rain, hundreds of miles, or hundreds of yards long, these lines, and they're bringing them in that way, and that way they're able to take them off the illegal crossing rolls.
	So when they say things like, oh, we're down 70%, what they're not telling you is that they're up 70% in this other category.
	So they're just kind of moving the peanut around in these three cups, and they lift up one of the cups and say, see, nothing there, and everybody goes away.
	Except there's a whole bunch of peanuts still.
	So that's a political lie for political purposes to make it seem as though fewer people are crossing
	and that their program is working and that it's all under control.
	But in the interior, cities and towns across the country are reeling and staggering under the load
	of 200,000 a month still crossing in one way or another, demanding federal bailouts,
	not having unfunded mandates to take care of all these thousands and thousands of people.
	And they don't care how they're getting in.
	All they care is that they're getting in and coming to our towns and cities in the same numbers as before.
	And that is the only thing that matters, how many are getting in, not necessarily how they're getting in.
	But how they're getting in is illegal.
	There's a lot of litigation right now.
	They cannot do what they're doing without Congress.
	They've created this extra legal admissions program that's allowing in, by our count at Center for Immigration Studies, somewhere on the order of 70,000 to 80,000 a month.
	Over the course of a year a million people they're sneaking in this way sight unseen You can't see it unless you go under those awnings and take a look So they're actually using the Sun awnings to hide what they're doing I mean Fox News drones can't fly over that and tell what's going on under there and It takes a reporter to go under there and say, are you CBP1?
	And all the way down the line.
	And there are no reporters going down there because they want to accept the narrative that all is well.
	So they've stayed away.
	And once they're in the country, what control do we have over them?
	When are they given a court date?
	Do they show up for the court date?
	What happens after these illegals are here?
	So they're here under a parole authority, which is supposed to be used on a case by case basis, maybe three a year, three people, four people in a desperate situation in a year.
	They're using this for hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people all at once, which is an illegal use.
	When they get one of these paroles into the country, they get anywhere from one to two years work authorization right away.
	And it's supposed to be renewable.
	But they're all inadmissible.
	They're all deportable.
	Every one of them is deportable under this authority.
	They're supposed to all go back.
	But what's going to happen is they will all become illegal gradually, and they're not going to leave.
	They're going to just join the now burgeoning permanent illegal population, which we've always said, oh, that's 12 million.
	Uh-uh.
	That's 18 million now at the least.
	You can't say 12 million anymore.
	This administration has let in probably on the order of 5 million, and I'm being conservative there.
	Well, there are some estimates that it's upwards of 30 million.
	These estimates haven't changed for decades, and it could actually be tens of millions more than that, Todd.
	What we know for sure is in the last 24-30 months, they've let another 5 or 6 million in.
	And that's also including runners and gotaways, people that we never even laid hands on.
	Because long swaths of the border are completely unguarded, Seb.
	I mean, all of these Border Patrol agents are in processing centers, ushering processing people into the country, not blocking and guarding.
	And so the smugglers are having a field day out there in New Mexico and Arizona and California, just hauling them right through into the interior.
	Nobody the wiser.
	All made possible by Joe Biden and by his, in my opinion, criminally culpable Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas.
	If there's anybody who needs to be impeached first, it's him.
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	Oh, so many good DeSantis cuts. Oh, holy solid.
	Oh, holy solid.
	You wanna come in with any cuts for this?
	No.
	You You
	You you
	You America first
	Magnificent!
	Does time pass faster on Fridays?
	Sometimes it feels like it.
	Oh, at the end of the first hour?
	Inconceivable!
	To quote a famous movie.
	Also inconceivable is the capacity for a certain Floridian governor not to realize what's going on.
	He was on Fox with Will Kane and, um, It looked like he was about to cry in this interview.
	He was asked about his lack of popularity, why his campaign isn't working, and then he gave a very strange answer.
	If you're not watching us, then check out the video.
	We'll be posting it later today, but just listen to the answer when he's lightly grilled by Will Kane.
	Cut four!
	While Donald Trump is above 50 percent, and some of these polls 60 percent, your numbers are somewhere between 20 and 10 percent.
	And they've stayed there for about two months.
	Why is it, in your estimation, the numbers have not reflected your success in Florida?
	Well, I think if you look at the people like the corporate media, who are they going after?
	Who do they not want to be the nominee?
	They're going after me.
	Who's the president of Mexico attacking because he knows we'll be strong on the border and hold him accountable in the cartels?
	He's going after me.
	So I think if you look at all these people that are responsible for a lot of the ills in our society, they're targeting me You know, Alex, I'm just a, you know, immigrant to this country.
	Maybe I'm culturally not tuned in properly.
	Can you help me understand the logic of that response?
	I'm the guy that not only can beat Biden, I'm the guy that can beat the left
	on all these different issues.
	You know, Alex, I'm just a, you know, immigrant to this country.
	Maybe I'm culturally not tuned in properly.
	Can you help me understand the logic of that response?
	He said, the question is, why aren't you popular with the American people?
	And he said, well, look at the fact that the Mexican president is attacking me.
	I'm confused.
	What's the connection there?
	There wasn't.
	It was totally illogical.
	He deflected the whole thing.
	It's like, what?
	Sorry?
	You're like at 10 points or 15 points, but the Mexican president doesn't like me.
	Okay, maybe the Jiffy Lube guy down the road doesn't like you either, but what's that got to do with the fact that nobody likes you?
	And the fact that he then jumps to a conclusion whereby he says, but therefore I'm the guy who can beat Biden.
	Sorry?
	It's like, that is, if the phrase non sequitur were a video dictionary and you looked up non sequitur, that clip would be played.
	Oh, somebody's struggling.
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	you you
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	you you
	you Yes, it is that time of the week where we have to check in
	with my former White House colleague who is Still advising the president and in fact is his attorney as
	well But let me first play a fun little clip that we can ask the baron to comment on.
	It's about the race on our side for that presidential nomination from somebody called Mark Simone on Fox.
	It's short, but it's a doozy.
	Cut seven.
	Listen, we like the guy.
	We've got to do an intervention.
	We've got to tell him.
	You're 44 years old.
	You're way too early.
	Wait 10 years when you're in your 50s and do it.
	He doesn't have the campaign skills.
	Talk about failure to launch.
	He's just sinking.
	You're right.
	Vivek will pass him pretty soon.
	I don't think he has to drop out.
	He's just going to fade out and wither and die on the vine there.
	DeSantis isn't going to drop out.
	He's just going to wither on the vine and fade out.
	I'm sure you concur.
	Boris Epstein, welcome back.
	Happy Friday.
	Thank you so much, Sebastian.
	So great to be with you and your audience.
	I absolutely concur.
	And you know what else concurs?
	The polling.
	President Trump up 61 to 12.
	1 to 12 on Ron DeSanctimonious in the state of Tennessee.
	He's in the 50s.
	He's in the 60s.
	President Trump is in DeSanctimonious.
	falling like a rock through the teens and soon into the single digits. Why? Because President
	Trump is authentic, President Trump is strong, President Trump is tough, and he's the most
	magnetic political leader our country has ever had. And it's on display as we speak in Iowa,
	while Rhonda Sanctimonious does those interviews and looks angry every single time
	he talks to anybody, including, seemingly, his supporters.
	Yeah, but this is a stunning concept.
	I mean, I like Vivek.
	I'd love to see him in the Trump administration, you know, working innovation like Jared or with a special portfolio for, you know, bringing jobs back to America.
	But he's never served in politics.
	He hasn't been a five and a half year congressman.
	He hasn't had, you know, four years in Florida as a governor.
	How is Vivek, who has no political background, potentially going to outpace and crush Ron DeSantis?
	The reason is because everything that Vivek Ramaswamy says is positive about President Trump.
	He goes out there and says, President Trump is the greatest president in my lifetime, and the American voters love to hear that.
	What is the St.
	Demetrius?
	He goes out there and says, well, I'm going to kill woke.
	Okay, well, tell us more.
	Well, I'm angry.
	Okay, well, I guess go be the angry guy in the corner with your whole bobblehead thing going on.
	Nobody likes to see that.
	Nobody's interested in it.
	And that's why he's getting absolutely annihilated by President Trump in the polls.
	Yeah, I didn't even think of that.
	That's such an interesting dividing line that one of these candidates supports the president, went down to Miami when he was indicted, was wearing a truth social hat, and that's Vivek.
	So, you know, he's popular because he's being authentic and he's being America first.
	Maybe you can explain this to me.
	So just before you came on, at the end of the hour, we played a Fox clip with Ron DeSantis, and he's talking to Will Kane.
	And Will Kane, it's a kind of softball, but it's factual.
	He says, you have problems in the polls.
	Some of them you're barely double digits.
	How can you explain your lack of popularity?
	Boris, I'm sure you've seen the clip, because you're right there.
	You're a senior advisor to President Trump.
	But his response, Boris, is, the President of Mexico doesn't like me, therefore.
	What?
	What is that?
	The Florida governor has absolutely no political instincts, he has no authenticity, and he has no ability to relate to the voters.
	And that's another part of the reason that he's being destroyed by President Trump.
	You know, the Florida governor doesn't offer anything.
	He goes out there and just spews these, you know, his can lines over and over and over again.
	And that's why this campaign, if you can call it a campaign, has been such a disaster.
	Really the Hindenburg of campaigns.
	All right, well let's talk, let's get a little bit serious because there's having a bad campaign and you heard What Mark Simone there said about how, you know, failure to launch.
	It's like one of those, you know, space launches that just blows up on the launch pad.
	But then there are aspects of it that are really creepy.
	I was on a Twitter space earlier in the week and it was, you know, a Trump versus DeSantis Twitter space for a couple of hours.
	And I was on there with a couple of good guys and then we were Supposed to be debating these DeSantis boosters, but every single one of them, Baron, was just filthy.
	It was all ad hominems.
	It was foul language.
	Why has he attracted those kinds of people to be his influencers and surrogates?
	It's weird.
	I mean you used to manage the surrogates for President Trump in the White House
	and it really reflects on the person they're a surrogate for when they use
	underhanded tactics and these people Boris they're not nice.
	They're not nice, they're not civil and they're not honest.
	And that's why they're so angry, because they're being called out for their dishonesty, and there's no real campaign over there.
	It's just one big, weak, grifter-influencer operation.
	That's all it is.
	And these people get really upset or really angry, and they use bad words, and that's their argument for why their guy should be president.
	And here's the key, too.
	Not only has the sanctimonious killed himself at 24, I think he's really hurt himself going forward.
	How can you build a political career when you've been embarrassed the way he's been absolutely crushed?
	Well, that's what Simone was saying.
	It's like, dude, you're in your 40s, chill.
	I mean, you know, if you really screwed up badly now, then maybe 28 isn't even on the cards.
	But here's a theory, let me run it by you, that perhaps explains why insalubrious individuals are I'm representing Ron DeSantis.
	I'm going to play a clip to you about Ron DeSantis attacking your boss, my former boss, on transgenderism.
	And it's really, really underhand.
	And I think when you use these kinds of tactics, you attract a certain kind of person.
	This is cut eight, play cut.
	What was the intent of that video?
	And it was not put out by you, but it was put out by an account linked to you.
	What's your response?
	I mean, I think, you know, identifying Donald Trump as really being a pioneer in injecting gender ideology into the mainstream where he was having men compete against women in his beauty pageants.
	I think that's totally fair game because he's now campaigning saying the opposite, that he doesn't think that you should have men competing in women's things like athletics.
	To say President Trump normalized transgenderism and that radical ideology, I mean, that's just, that's playing with fire.
	Why would you even do that, Boris, when you know it's not true?
	Because he's got nowhere to go.
	He knows it's not true.
	The same time he knows he's lying.
	And by the way, if he disagrees with President Trump so badly, why does he make an ad literally Him telling his kids how amazing President Trump was.
	Hang on, somebody mentioned this, and I'm trying to remember it, but didn't, a couple of years ago, didn't DeSantis run a political ad where he was reading a bedtime story to his child about how great President Trump is?
	I didn't dream that, did I?
	You did not dream it up.
	You didn't find it out of the blue.
	It actually happened.
	It's actual reality.
	And now he's talking about, oh, yeah, well, this fair game.
	Nothing is working.
	For the Florida governor.
	And nothing is working because he's got nothing to offer except for lies and platitudes.
	And those lies and platitudes don't work anymore.
	This isn't 2004, this isn't 2008, this is the MAGA Republican Party, the Trump Republican Party, and it stands completely behind and with President Donald J. Trump.
	All right, we're almost out of time.
	Senior advisor to President Trump 2024 campaign, his attorney as well, BorisEP.com, Boris underscore Epstein, Boris Epstein everywhere else.
	Give me a little prediction, dear buddy.
	When does he flame out?
	When does this campaign just totally go under?
	You know, tough to predict because the big China backers, the big rocket donors are still throwing some money his way, but I'm hearing a lot of Florida folks are saying he may not make it to Labor Day.
	Let's see what happens.
	And you know what?
	If anybody out there actually likes Juan de Santamonis, They'd probably tell him to try to rehab his image a little bit and get off the stage.
	Yeah, might be too late though, might be too late.
	Thank you, dear friend.
	Can't wait to see those photographs.
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	Who's responsible for that?
	He's our good buddy.
	He's jealous, though, that he doesn't have his own liner like the Baron.
	We're just gonna have to call him Jetlag Jim.
	Is that gonna be okay, Jim Carafano?
	First of all, Tom Petty is one of the great singer-songwriters of all time.
	Uninspiring, long-haired hippie.
	Not interesting.
	Oh my God.
	Not interesting.
	Just so, so wrong.
	And the most important thing is, I've been waiting my whole life For this interview.
	My entire adult life, I've been waiting for this interview.
	The artillery geek is going to let his long hair down.
	He spent how many years in the army?
	20.
	And what was your job?
	And how come you're not deaf?
	Right?
	Because you're an artillery guy.
	I've got earplugs.
	Yeah, so I was an artillery guy.
	For people who don't get the joke, when you're on a gun line, it is extremely noisy.
	And it is the kind of noise and vibration that really does kind of damage your hearing.
	So if you don't actually wear earplugs and stuff, then...
	Alright, of course we're talking to Jim Carafano, Vice President of the mothership, the conservative mothership that is the Heritage Organization, Heritage Foundation, Heritage.org.
	Alright Jim, so we watched them like 40 minutes ago, the White House being grilled by cluster munitions.
	They're being given to Ukraine.
	Let's start with the basics.
	What is a cluster munition?
	So it's called DPICM, which is dual purpose, right?
	And they're basically little bomblets.
	And so what happens is when it gets over the target, it opens up and it releases the bomblets.
	First of all, the US version, right, is which the one we're talking about,
	is an incredibly efficient munition.
	It is a, these things are incredibly destructive.
	I mean, they will kill anything in that 50 meter radius.
	They have actually have an incredibly low dud rate, like less than 1%.
	So it's actually one of the safer munitions to employ on the battlefield.
	Because it blows up.
	Right, right.
	And if you're not actually shooting at civilians, which responsible people don't do, maybe
	the Russians do, right?
	It's actually a very, very effective ammunition and comparable to all the other risks on the
	battlefield to civilians, it's actually incredibly quiet.
	So why is it controversial internationally?
	Is it the name?
	What is it?
	So this is the crazy thing about this, right?
	This was this whole part of this whole landmine ban, right?
	Which was really kind of, you know, a sham on the left.
	It was, well, we want something to be... So, you know...
	The princess was for this.
	And the Obama-Biden people, they were like, oh yeah, this stuff's awful, horrible, terrible.
	And the tragic thing about that is it was virtually a lie.
	These particular munitions are not more destructive than other things.
	They're not the kind of things that make the place unlivable and everything else.
	Hang on, let's stop here.
	First obvious question.
	So landmine is put in place and doesn't detonate unless something heavy or a person or vehicle steps on it.
	Does a cluster munition detonate on contact with the ground or does somebody have to step on it?
	No, no, it detonates, it detonates.
	So on release.
	It actually detonates, you know, but, but the thing is, is you're going to get a dud rate, which means that some of them won't go off and, and potentially at some point somebody could step on them.
	And is that, is that why they're controversial?
	Were they thrown in with landmines?
	No, they're just thrown in with landmines because landmines are mean.
	But the reality is there's the abuse of landmines, like what the Russians did, or what the Armenians did in Azerbaijan.
	They mined the entire country.
	They didn't have any maps.
	All this stuff's sitting there.
	And then civilians get killed.
	Yeah, so it's the same logic as AR-15s.
	We have to ban AR-15s because they're a threat.
	No, no, an AR-15 in the hands of a Yahoo is a threat, but the weapon itself is perfectly fine.
	And the reality is, is landmines used appropriately in the right way, particularly these munitions, are actually proportionally much more likely to help win the war and kill the enemy than to cause deaths to civilians.
	So this could be a way to end it fast.
	The most humane thing in a war is to actually end the war so civilians aren't shot at.
	So the irony here is here is the administration giving these munitions away, which by the way we have gazillions of, because the Obama-Biden people wouldn't let anybody use them.
	So these things have been stacking up for years.
	So if there's one thing that we have plenty of, it's the most effective killing artillery munition in the world.
	So there's plenty to give to the Ukrainians, and there'll still be plenty left over to defend.
	And then this argument that you're hearing from some conservatives that he's doing an end run around Congress and he needs permission to give them the class of munitions.
	No, I don't think that's true.
	But the point is, though, is why now?
	And this is the sad point.
	The Biden got, even though this was a munition that really would have been very effective, would have shortened the war, was something we had tons of and it wasn't a big deal for us to give him away.
	The politics were bad for the Biden administration because they were going to get criticized by their own side.
	The optics, the DC optics, right?
	So they're going to let Ukrainians die.
	Until they think the optics are OK.
	Right, until it's so important to help win the war, that they're so invested.
	Typical.
	Because now it's their war, right?
	But this is the reality.
	It's easy, you know, it's fun to play, you know, a moralist, right?
	Until people start dying and you have to make real life and death decisions.
	Last geek question, this type of ammunition, give us the, what's the letters again?
	DPI-CM.
	DPI-CM.
	Does this come out of a traditional artillery piece or does it need a special launcher?
	No, no, no.
	It comes out of a basic 155 artillery piece.
	Of which the Ukrainians have a lot.
	So dual purpose, what's the ICM stand for?
	Something cluster munition.
	And we have a lot of them.
	We have a lot of... As a matter of fact, it was the thing that... This is what we were going to kill the Soviets with during the Cold War.
	DPI-CM was going to be the big killer.
	And it is.
	It is the most efficient... Could this be like a potential game-changer for Ukraine?
	I don't think it's a potential game-changer.
	Or make things tougher for the Russians.
	But the point... The thing about it is you can be much more effective with a lot fewer rounds.
	And that is really going to help a lot.
	Well, you've been waiting 20 years.
	Was it good for you?
	Well, you've been waiting 20 years.
	Was it good for you?
	No, because it was sad because this is the kind of thing that we should have given the
	Monday one.
	You know, we could have arguments about support Ukraine, but if we're going to support Ukraine
	and if we want the Ukrainians to win and we want to do it right and be efficient about
	it and be cost effective for the American taxpayer, this should have been the first
	thing out the door.
	He's been wanting to talk about it for decades, and he finally has.
	And at least he got the memo on the Obama suits.
	We are both wearing our summer suits today, although he forgot his tie.
	He must be just back from the airport.
	He has a frequent flyer account most human beings would be very envious of.
	He is the vice president for national security and foreign policy at the Heritage Foundation.
	Follow him on Twitter at JJ Carafano, former.
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	I had to have the Brits push the mic.
	Everything else good?
	.
	It was a mess from the get-go. I mean, I had to have the Brits push the mic.
	So true.
	Yeah, mic's are hot.
	Everything else good?
	Yeah, really good. Katie's within striking distance. I think like last chapter of her book.
	Right, right.
	I get a day-by-day update on that.
	I was going to ask.
	Are we talking tonight?
	On Newsmax?
	Yes!
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I'm hosting Rob's show.
	Oh, so is that live?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	That's like seven.
	Seven, yes.
	So they actually told me it was last night, so I'm sitting there at the computer.
	It's not your fault.
	Our guys got it wrong.
	Okay.
	And I'm sitting there and I'm going, hey dude, it's like 7.20, what's going on?
	And he goes, oh, I read it wrong.
	But tonight it's going to be broader.
	I think we're talking about broader.
	Okay, good.
	I think so.
	Whatever.
	What are we talking about in the next...
	What would you like to talk about?
	The Putin coup?
	The fake coup?
	Oh, these yahoos that went over and were negotiating with Richard Haass and the other guys that were doing their secret negotiation.
	Or the fake Cooey, either one, I guess.
	Let's do the Yahoos, because I hate Richard Haass.
	He is such an arrogant piece of crap.
	He was like the first guy, like, oh, Trump, right?
	Right.
	And then as soon as it was clear that he was not getting on the bandwagon, it was, oh, these guys are horrible.
	He's a whore.
	He's a gifter.
	Yeah, he's a grifter.
	He's a complete grifter.
	I don't think I would say that.
	I did see the Indiana Jones movie, though.
	And?
	I didn't think it was bad.
	Are you serious?
	Have you gone woke?
	Has Jim Carrey gone woke?
	No, no, no.
	I thought it was... First of all, they had Nazis, which you were like... You gotta have Nazis.
	You gotta have Nazis.
	How are you gonna get Nazis?
	They did that.
	I didn't find the girl terribly annoying.
	I thought her character was... Oh, what a bitch.
	...was okay.
	And that was a rave that he rides down on a horse.
	That was filmed in Scotland.
	I thought it was all right.
	It was, they didn't inject a lot of, it was very kind of, you know, in the 60s,
	and they really kind of kept to the whole kind of 60s feel.
	And that parade that he rides down on the horse, that was filmed in Scotland.
	Oh, was it?
	Why the hell was that, because that was meant to be in America, right?
	It was supposed to be the New York Ticker Tape Parade That was filmed in Edinburgh.
	Oh, no kidding?
	Yeah.
	Oh my God.
	It was probably cheaper.
	How was the de-aging?
	I thought it was fine.
	As a matter of fact, my wife said, man, that makeup was amazing.
	I go, no, sweetheart, that was CGI.
	She goes, really?
	I go, yeah, yeah.
	But I was actually quite, it was better than Michael Douglas in the Quantum, in the Ant-Man movies.
	The de-aging's gotten really good.
	It looked very normal.
	It looked really good.
	And the scene at the end with him and Karen Allen was actually kind of touching.
	Kind of cute.
	It's so weird, right, that he gets to do these cycles of life, right?
	So he closes out Star Wars, he closes out this, he closes out Blade Runner.
	It's like, whoa, who gets that?
	30 seconds.
	Uh, oh yeah, probably.
	He's an actor, he just can't kill himself.
	♪♪ Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Multiple hot takes in the break about the new Indiana Jones movie not being bad.
	I didn't say that.
	He did.
	Jet lag, Jim.
	But I will agree with him, the best Jack Ryan was Harrison Ford.
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	All right, let's talk about Russia.
	Two stories.
	First, the coup, which I think it just reeks to high heaven of maskirovka and desinformatsia, especially when you go and get sanctuary in Lukashenko's Byelorussia, which is weird because he's bosom buddies with Putin.
	Your take on what happened?
	I mean, what was it?
	That was like...
	10 days ago.
	It's ridiculous.
	I so want to talk about movies and the Barbie movie.
	Well, of course.
	No, no, we're not talking about the Barbie movie.
	No, no, we're not talking about the Barbie.
	It's all about China.
	And then we're talking about these, these yahoos.
	Dick Haas.
	Oh my God.
	Negotiating with the Russians.
	Yeah.
	So give us your take, Jim.
	Yeah.
	So I think, look, I think that the book's still to be written on, on the coup.
	It's what is very, very clear is regardless of what was going on.
	Putin is not leading from a position of strength.
	But that's because of the war in Ukraine, right?
	Right.
	And however this thing engineered in the end, and it seems like it's still unfolding, so kudos to people who said, well, this isn't quite over yet, and about how much was staged and whatever.
	But it's very clear that Putin has been weakened and that we have shifted from Winning the war in Ukraine at all costs to preserving the regime at all costs.
	And those aren't quite the same things.
	No, they're not.
	So I think we've kind of hit a bit of a turning point there.
	That's about the best I have right now for what we're seeing.
	All right, and then private citizens thinking they're going to end the war by having negotiations with the people who are Kremlin-adjacent, like big ass.
	So for folks who don't keep up on this every day, so it's not unusual for, because I do it all the time, for individual citizens from think tanks and other things to go and meet with government officials from foreign countries.
	It's not a violation of the Logan Act.
	The Logan Act basically says if you're negotiating with a foreign country on behalf of the United States and you don't have the permission of the United States, that's a crime.
	So it's not clear The administration says they didn't send them, but that's not the same as they didn't know they were going.
	And it's not clear exactly what they did.
	It's a roster of people.
	I don't know how to say this in a polite way.
	Don't be polite.
	Yeah, I mean, they are the nothing burgers of global politics.
	I don't want to call them grifters, but these are people who've been very wrong on Russia or have like, you know, switched.
	And there's just, where's the limelight that I can stand it?
	But they do have access to Jake Sullivan, and they are the kind of people that would get their phone calls answered, but these are the kind of people you would send.
	And it's ridiculous to think that they would actually do any kind of serious things.
	So the whole thing's a bit embarrassing.
	I think it's embarrassing for them.
	It complicates things for the U.S.
	government.
	To be honest, I think it'll be like a bad movie, because what's really going to determine the way forward is two things.
	What happens at the NATO summit, the decisions that are made, and then what happens on the ground in the war.
	Right.
	So let's talk about that.
	What is the best that Kiev can hope for?
	Is, in your opinion, as a former military man who understands geopolitics and geostrategy, is Crimea a write-off forever?
	I don't know that, because we really don't know the state of the capacity of the Russian defenses to hold on.
	I think Crimea is a long reach, under the best of circumstances.
	On the other hand, I don't know.
	You know, I remind people, Operation Cobra, we landed in Normandy in 1944 in June.
	It took us six weeks to get off the beach.
	Six weeks of very hard, difficult fighting, in which a lot of people thought, Jesus, we may be stuck here forever.
	And then, of course, in three days we broke out and we were driving to Paris.
	So, can't really say that.
	But from an American perspective, right, why we're supporting the Ukrainians is because we see the Russians as a threat to Western Europe.
	Crimea is no longer a viable military base.
	I mean, the Ukrainians can range every military target in Crimea and take it out.
	And so it's not a safe, secure base for the Russians anymore.
	So in terms of being the Russians dominating the Black Sea, I think Crimea is a non-issue for us.
	But it's a big deal for the Ukrainians.
	For the Ukrainians, absolutely.
	Right.
	But the fighting on the ground, and it remains to be seen, we'll do that.
	What's going to happen in the summit is pretty obvious.
	They keep saying security guarantees.
	They're not guarantees.
	What there's going to be is a plan for long-term security assistance so the country can defend itself, and commitments for reconstruction so the country can pay its bills.
	Which is not, let's be clear, NATO membership or Article 5 guarantees.
	All right, we're sadly out of time, but next time we might have to talk about Tom Petty and the Barbie movie.
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	Fredo Cuomo is so sad.
	He's so sad.
	He's even started to criticize Newsmax.
	What did he say on his show that nobody watches?
	You won't believe it.
	I guess he wants attention.
	Well, give him a little.
	Cut three.
	Paul Fredo.
	Let the better ideas win.
	Not less speech.
	More.
	Okay?
	Not censorship.
	Not the answer.
	Not in America.
	More testing.
	More echoing of what and who is right.
	That's how you put the fringe in the fake where they belong.
	When you silence, you give it power.
	You make it taboo.
	Hear what they don't want you to know.
	It's very enticing.
	And that's how you get what you see on Newsmax and et cetera, all those other outlets.
	You know what's funny about him saying that Newsmax and the other outlets are fringes?
	Alex, you work in media.
	You're an engineer for a show with three and a half million listeners.
	Do you even know where you can watch Fredo Cuomo?
	I have no idea.
	I've never seen it anywhere.
	Other than here.
	Wouldn't that make him the fringe guy?
	I would say yes.
	Yeah, that's the irony.
	We will be discussing that more, so much more, with my buddy Chris Coles tonight on Newsmax.
	I'll be guest hosting for Rob Schmidt.
	Don't miss it!
	7 p.m.
	Eastern.
	We're going to have fun tonight on Newsmax.
	But now it's Friday, which means it's Second Amendment Friday.
	And I want to introduce a new guest to our show for the Second Amendment.
	Her name is Holly Sullivan and she's fighting for the rights of citizens to protect Holly, welcome to America First.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	Alright, tell us a little bit about your organization and what you do for the people of America.
	Yeah, so I'm the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League.
	We are 43,000 members strong and one of the toughest states for gun control.
	We used to be a relatively free state, but post the tragedy at Sandy Hook, things turned for us rather quickly.
	And we talk very much about how that can happen in any other state in this country and to certainly learn from what's happened in a state like Connecticut.
	Now, I don't mean to be mean, but I live in Virginia, which is pretty cool, pretty good when it comes to the Second Amendment.
	I can't even imagine what it's like to fight for Second Amendment rights, for concealed carry and everything else in Connecticut.
	Give us a snapshot of what it's like and what you are encouraging the people of that state to do with you and the CCDL.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So our governor just passed the largest gun control package that our state has seen even bigger than what came post Sandy Hook.
	So we have a slew of laws from assault weapon bans, magazine bans.
	We have major challenges with individuals even trying to get their permit to carry.
	It can take some folks over a year just to get the application process through.
	And it's incredibly expensive.
	Limitations across the board, disqualifications of folks who shouldn't be disqualified.
	We have problems with suitability.
	You name it.
	Anything that they can replicate.
	And even, you know, what we saw in this legislative session, things that have already been implemented in California and New York that they're trying to implement here.
	And you've got to stay ahead of the curve.
	So, you know, I very much recommend that any listener, no matter where you are, get involved in your Second Amendment organization in your state, because even if you live in a free state now, that changes very quickly as people are fleeing states like New York and California and Connecticut.
	They're bringing their ideologies with them.
	But yeah, absolutely.
	We are up there.
	CCDL is up there.
	Every opportunity that we get during legislative session, we have thousands of our members that testify and contribute to the particular Judiciary Committee and make sure that our voices are heard.
	But the reality is we need to be involved in elections because if we flip those seats, we don't have to Yeah, it's such an important point that the Second Amendment rights are such a moving target inside individual states.
	You look at Maryland that lost a court case, became a shall-issue state, so now you don't need to have a security clearance, you don't need to have a good reason to have a concealed carry license, so what happens?
	They become a shall-issue state, they're flooded by tens of thousands of applicants, and then they say, oh, by the way, it doesn't matter if you have a concealed carry permit, you can't carry near to a business, you can't carry near to a park, So, basically, they make it so your concealed carry permit is good for you carrying a gun at home.
	What are the near-term goals for you and your colleagues at the CCDL?
	By the way, the website is ccdl.us.
	Give us some concrete ideas that may give inspiration to others in states that don't respect the Second Amendment.
	So, what are you doing right now to fight for this right?
	Yeah, first and foremost is we're in court.
	We're in federal court right now.
	We have a case that we're very optimistic about.
	It's called Grant v. Lamont.
	We just amended the complaint within the last two weeks, and that includes some of the new legislation that the governor just signed in June.
	So, you know, that's really where that fight is right now.
	The courts are very promising.
	They're very much understanding of the roots of the Second Amendment, and we are optimistic that we will see that through.
	But it's long.
	It's expensive.
	It takes money to fight these cases.
	And we're very grateful for our partner in this, which is the Second Amendment Foundation.
	And then right away, I mean, it's time to look at going into election season.
	So, you know, we encourage folks, get involved even in your municipal elections, get people on your school boards, make sure that there are people in municipal government that understand respecting people's rights.
	So think of this as like a trial run election season.
	And then we have another big one coming up a year from now.
	And we have got to change the makeup of Hartford for us and for whatever capital your listeners are from.
	And for those who recently purchased their first firearm and are new members to our family, we've just got a few seconds left.
	What do you say to those who have newly joined this community?
	Yeah, welcome, first and foremost.
	I think you'll find that the makeup of gun owners across America really varies from every single demographic, and they're very welcoming people.
	But, you know, get to know what your laws are.
	The worst thing that you can do is claim that you just didn't know, so it's really important that you familiarize yourself and get out and practice and enjoy it.
	It's a great all-American tradition.
	And they're nice.
	We're nice people.
	Come to the range.
	You'll find out.
	She's the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Holly Sullivan.
	Thank you for joining us today.
	The website is ccdl.us.
	I am Sebastian Gorka.
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	You Well, I think culture is
	It is a reflection of our moment in our time right and And, and, and present culture is the way we express how we're feeling about the moment.
	And, and we should always find times to express how we feel about the moment.
	That is a reflection of joy because every, you know, It comes in the morning.
	We have to find ways to also express the way we feel about the moment in terms of just having language and a connection to how people are experiencing life.
	And I think about it in that way too.
	I may have to play that again a fourth time tonight on Newsmax.
	No, I'm going to play that again tonight on Newsmax because that is absolutely... Well, it just tells you everything you need to know about this administration.
	That's the Vice President.
	It happens in the morning, you know!
	No, I don't know what you're talking about.
	It's really shocking that you're the vice president.
	John, how many men are we down here at the America First team?
	I've got to tell you, we're down two.
	Two?!
	How are we actually producing live radio across the nation?
	Are you guys, like, sweating bullets?
	I think it just goes to show you that producers don't really do anything.
	Wow.
	Ooh, Alex, do you concur with our chief engineer?
	No, I miss our producers.
	He knows that Jeff is listening.
	He knows that Jeff in South Carolina is listening.
	Oh my gosh, I'm too late to do this.
	How fast can we get an image up on the screen?
	If I just talk and talk and talk, can I kill enough time to get an image up on the screen?
	That is the question.
	It has been sent to my team because I want to send you a photograph that Jeff who's on a special special mission he'll be back with us on Monday but he's looking after a dear dear family member and we miss him of course we miss him!
	John's just...
	But Jeff sent me this photograph today from, where did he say he is?
	Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
	And he added a little additional postscript to the image.
	I can't believe this thing exists.
	I dearly hope he goes to this store.
	It's called the Keep on Trumpin' Store.
	And it is just absolutely chock full of Trump memorabilia.
	I haven't.
	I've seen, you know, the odd stand and especially people at a Trump rally selling the hats or the t-shirts or the flags or what have you.
	But a whole store?
	That's stunning!
	And of course, what did Mr. G say?
	He said he hasn't found a DeSantis store yet.
	Is there a DeSantis merch store anywhere in America?
	Somebody just DM'd me on Twitter saying, DON'T CRITICISE THE GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA!
	Why not?
	Do you live in a cult?
	It's called the First Amendment!
	There it is!
	Keep on Trumpin', store!
	I wanna go!
	No DeSantis stores out there.
	I wonder why.
	Thank you, John!
	Next up, we're gonna make movies great again with my good buddy Mr. Reagan Chris Coles.
	It's gonna be a biggie.
	Don't miss it.
	Stay with us.
	you you
	Impressive.
	Most impressive.
	See you then, good people. Wouldn't believe you. Want to talk to God?
	Oh my god.
	you Let's go see him again.
	Vader, this is an unexpected pleasure.
	We're honored by your presence.
	You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander.
	I'm here to put you back on schedule.
	I assure you, Lord Vader, my men are working as fast as they can.
	Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them.
	I tell you, this station will be operational as planned.
	The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.
	But he asked the impossible.
	I need more men.
	Then perhaps you can tell him when he arrives.
	The Emperor's coming here?
	That is correct, Commander.
	And he is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress.
	We shall double our efforts.
	I hope so, Commander, for your sake.
	The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
	The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
	Seminal opening scene from the third act of the original Star Wars trilogy.
	They only made three Star Wars movies.
	In fact, that is a statement of empirical truth.
	We will analyze and we will rate the final chapter with my co-host, the man who has the Mr. Reagan and the Alpha Critic channels on YouTube.
	You better be subscribed, otherwise the Emperor will be most displeased.
	Chris Coles, welcome back to Making Movies Great Again.
	Well, thank you, and what a treat to get to watch this movie again.
	But which?
	Let's start with the seminal question.
	I was so annoyed.
	My wife was already asleep, so I didn't go to my man cave and dig out the VHS or the DVD copies from before George Lucas had to dick her with it.
	So I watched it streaming again last night with all the crappy additions to it.
	Which version of Return did you watch, Chris?
	Well, I'll say I started watching one of the newer versions, one of the versions in which Lucas had dickered, as you as you call it.
	It's a Hollywood term.
	You may not be familiar with it.
	But you know what?
	I was so disgusted that I actually just sat and
	waited because I have online. I have a version
	right called I think I forget what's called. I
	think it's called 4K 83 or something. It's this
	fan version where they put together the Rick is
	Disney and Lucasfilm.
	the original version again.
	No.
	And so fans have pieced together the original version, the theatrical release, and you can download that.
	So I grabbed that, and I started watching it again because I was so disgusted with the new version with that, like, musical number in Jabba's palace.
	The original musical number.
	I knew the words by heart.
	I was 12 years old.
	I'd memorized them.
	It was fun.
	Then they change it completely, like they did with the song at the end of the movie.
	They have this really badly animated alien goggling his tonsils in front of us.
	Let me ask the honest question.
	Is the new version even enjoyable, Chris Coles?
	It ruins the movie.
	The new special effects, the new CGI characters and all that.
	The Sarlacc pit where you've got this beak thing coming out that looks so fakie.
	You know, I mean, I get that the car, you know, that the puppets didn't look super realistic all, you know, to a lot of people, of course.
	But why add more fakie weird stuff?
	I think he was trying to I think he was trying to just give people new content.
	You know, At the time, they re-released the movies.
	This was back when they had the prequel trilogy come out, that fan fiction that they made.
	And he wanted to tie, I think he wanted to tie in the prequels in this film and they, you know, at the end, Anakin is like the Anakin from the prequels, which is just disgusting to me.
	Yeah.
	So many, so many terrible, terrible moments that were Added, I think, three primarily, which is the Jabba's Palace dance number.
	Yes.
	The Sarlacc Pit.
	And then Anakin Skywalker coming in at the end as Hayden Christensen, the most boring actor in the history of the world.
	But sand.
	I don't like sand.
	Yes, that is the worst line of movie history ever uttered by an actor, and that was him.
	All right, so what is this movie?
	How do we categorize it?
	Because each one of the three is very, very different, and you did some amazing analysis on the deep, the meta message of fatherhood and redemption for empire.
	The first one is really, it's Joseph Campbell.
	It's the hero of a thousand faces.
	It's the young man.
	On a mission, coming of age, rescuing the damsel in distress, being advised by this sage, this master, this Jedi master.
	Then we have Empire, which is this bravura middle act that just ends suddenly with the loss of Han Solo.
	Very dark, very, very heavy.
	And then this, this is a completely different kettle of fish, and much of the criticism for three comes from the fact that this is really Written for kids.
	This is a kids movie, but you love it.
	So tell us about how you understand what box the third movie falls into.
	Oh, no, this is not a movie for children.
	I understand why people would think that.
	They're a little bit heavier on the puppets in this movie.
	You know, I never liked the cantina scene.
	From Star Wars.
	I always thought that that was a little bit tacky.
	You know, some of the creatures look great.
	Some of them look terrible.
	And kind of the same is true of Jabba.
	And there's no real excuse in this movie because, you know, it's the third movie.
	They got tons of money.
	I don't know why some of the aliens looked a little bit, you know, tacky.
	But don't you think of all of the tacky things Jabba actually works?
	Oh, Jabba works great.
	Jabba works great.
	It's like some of the creatures in his menagerie that are a little bit sus.
	But yeah, and there's just certain things in the movie that I think probably didn't work so well.
	There's a lot of people hate the Ewoks.
	I think the Ewoks are great.
	I don't know why people hate them.
	They're kind of a stand-in for maybe Native Americans or other kind of primitive tribal type humans in history.
	But no, this is not a movie for children.
	I'll tell you why.
	Return of the Jedi is a Christian parable.
	Christian parable.
	And it's led up to this from the beginning.
	So it makes the entire trilogy a Christian parable.
	And here's why it is.
	Luke is being tempted, essentially by Satan, to join the dark side, to be evil, right?
	We all have this in our lives.
	Now, it's not really explained what the temptation to Luke is.
	That's something that always bothered me.
	But the fact that they don't tell you kind of presents you with this almost supernatural understanding of the plot.
	It's not so much a logical reason he would join the dark side.
	It's...
	It's a it's a spiritual reason he would join the dark side.
	He's being tempted in the way that human beings are tempted to do evil, even though we may not have even a good reason for it.
	Some people are just they just give into that temptation to do evil.
	They become evil people.
	And that's it.
	And we know that that happens.
	We see it.
	So you see it happen to people for whatever reason.
	Either they get into alcohol or drugs or they just become, you know, total degenerates like Nancy Pelosi.
	But anyway, at some point, we're all tempted to to to be evil.
	And so this film is a kind of parable of that.
	But he does not join the dark side.
	He he's he's strong against it.
	And more so good wins in the end, because his father, who has many years ago, turned to the dark side.
	He has his redemptive moment.
	And so we can see.
	And in the 80s, it was very popular, very common concept that in Christianity, there's this idea that even in your final If you accept Christ, you can have the grace of God and go to heaven and these sorts of things.
	And this is the idea in this film.
	Darth Vader, for many, many years, was pure evil.
	He was the scariest, most dangerous man in the entire galaxy.
	And now he has finally accepted the good side, the light side, and he has become good.
	He has his redemptive moment at the very end there, and he says to Luke, you were right, you were right, just before dying.
	And I think that's such a beautiful moment.
	That beautiful line where he says, I have to save you, and he says, You already have.
	Incredible, incredible line delivered by a classic Britishly trained actor.
	I just thought this was a romping, stomping good sci-fi movie, but Chris is bringing the deep, deep analysis, this being a Christian allegory.
	That's why we do this here.
	That's why we make movies great again.
	We're talking Return of the Jedi, not Revenge.
	No, no, no, no, no.
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	I think my eyes are getting better.
	I see a big dark cloud.
	I see a big light cloud.
	There's nothing to see.
	I used to live here.
	You're gonna die here.
	And be.
	He may be a very boring man in private life.
	If you ever watched any of the making of interviews with Harrison Ford, not a guy you want to hang out with over a beer.
	But he does have a knack for an underrated comical capacity as well.
	One of the funniest lines in the movie, I was born here, you know, and he says, you're going to die here as well.
	Convenient.
	Pretty, pretty good humorous bent from Mr. Ford.
	No, Chris?
	Yeah, there's lots of funny moments in this film, just like Empire.
	And, you know, Harrison Ford is very lucky in a way.
	He's this actor.
	There's a moment I've mentioned this before.
	There's a moment in Temple of Doom and we'll probably review Temple of Doom at some point and I'll bring it up again.
	But he's looking through his little hole as the roof is caving in on him slowly.
	And he turns to the girl and he goes, we are going to die!
	Just in his little hole, you just see his face.
	Right.
	And you see all of the expression in that face.
	And what's funny is he's kind of overacting a little bit, right?
	Yeah.
	But there's something about Harrison Ford that even when he's overacting, he seems a little understated.
	I don't know what it is, but he's a very lucky actor in that sense.
	And that's what probably what makes him one of the greats is that he can just deliver a line with the most emotion possible.
	And it still seems understated.
	I don't know how he does it, but it's the magic of Harrison Ford.
	Now before we get to celebrating all the, you know, the good parts of this movie and why it encapsulates the end of it, let's start with a couple of the weaknesses.
	The manner in which this iconic person, this character, was so popular with millions of people.
	The way that Boba Fett is dealt with off the Imperial Barge of Jabba the Hutt.
	Well, you know what?
	I don't think Lucas or anybody in the production team really understood what was going to happen with Boba Fett.
	I don't think anybody thought Boba Fett's going to turn into this, you know, legendary character from the Star Wars universe.
	So for them, this was just a reasonable conclusion to the end of the story of a character that was a very minimal character.
	But Burping?
	Burping?
	There's a lot of funny moments in Star Wars like that.
	A lot of cheesy things that are intentional.
	The Wilhelm scream, you know, the Wilhelm scream.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	They put that in originally because they thought it sounded funny.
	You know, there's this little bit of desperation, which gives you a sense of fear, but it's also a little bit ridiculous sounding.
	They've actually just found the original Wilhelm scream, the original recordings, in an archive.
	I think it was at USC.
	They were throwing them away.
	And this guy figured it out.
	Oh, this is the Wilhelm scream.
	So yeah, they just had like the other day.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm not getting the requisite answer I need from my co-host.
	So let's turn to the man who was eaten by the Sarlacc monster.
	Boba Fett, welcome in studio to Making Movies Great Again.
	We have him here.
	Welcome.
	A little surprise guest for our analysis of Return of the Jedi.
	In fact, the man behind the mask is none other than Tom Fabulous!
	He is my colleague here at Waver Radio, one of our engineers.
	Tom, welcome to Making Movies Great Again.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Thank you for having me here.
	Chris, it's great to be on with you.
	I know this is a little bit unexpected, but Sebastian and I have a lot of chats in the elevator lobby and in the hallways here at Salem, and we talk about Star Wars, so he invited me in.
	He's being ridiculously modest.
	This is when I go to my car after a hard day's work and on the windscreen I find a little note, I find Star Wars memorabilia, and then I find out that one of my colleagues, former police officer of how many years?
	28 years.
	28 years, is the biggest Star Wars fan the world has ever known, hosts the Star Wars Collecting... It's the DC Star Wars Collecting Club.
	The DC Star Wars Collecting Club convention here.
	Have we got a couple of photographs, Eric, of Tom's collection?
	What is this?
	What is this?
	Okay, so that's my retirement cake.
	His police retirement cake was what?
	That was last June they did that for me, the guys in the office.
	So that's like a shirt, that's the blue shirt from Metropolitan Police and on top of it is a Death Star.
	It's a Death Star and that's all edible.
	And it was all edible.
	It was delicious.
	It was one of the best cakes I've ever eaten.
	I'm so envious.
	Let's look at a smidge of his collection.
	This is the Millennium Falcon I wish I had when I was a kid.
	My parents didn't have enough money.
	And you've got it fully stocked with everything.
	You've even got the...
	The Minox.
	So that's a later one.
	That's from 2008.
	So they upgraded the entire Millennium Falcon toy model in 2008.
	Same designer who did the one that we all know and love from our childhood.
	I have a bit of money.
	I actually have one.
	We can show everybody.
	Let's show the studio behind me we have.
	Can we go to camera 2 maybe?
	Camera 4.
	We have my Millennium Falcon!
	I can treat myself so we're gonna have a debate here but let's just start here I've got a whole folder of this stuff his scrapbook from his childhood of Star Wars I mean he's got stuff from British newspapers in here I'm not kidding about Star Wars this is how so let's just say Burping Sarlacc.
	Where do you stand, Tom, on burping?
	Well, you know, I'll tell you.
	That's sort of George Lucas's sense of humor, I think, coming out.
	But is it funny?
	No, I don't think burping humor is funny, and I don't think that flatulence humor is funny.
	But that is something.
	I think that's part of the sort of sense of humor that he and Spielberg kind of had.
	Kind of a pure-ill kiddy humor.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	I think he kind of got that from Spielberg in a way.
	You know, because Spielberg was kind of doing those sorts of jokes in some of his movies.
	Before we get back to our review with Chris, I got...
	Oh, look at that. He's got all three of us on the screen.
	My gosh, look at my team. I'm impressed.
	We've seen them in video as well.
	Why? Why are you so into...
	I mean, I love it because I was seven when Star Wars came out.
	You were younger than me.
	Well, I'm just a little bit younger.
	I guess I was five when it came out.
	So why do you love it so much?
	I don't know what a great answer is.
	I can tell you this, is that it probably has more to do with the toys than it did the actual movies, because I was so young and I couldn't go to the movies very often.
	So I played with these toys all the time, and I read the comic books, and I read the story books.
	So I became really familiar with it through collecting, I think, more than even the movies.
	Because I didn't have a home video copy of the movie of Star Wars until it came on TV in 1984.
	I think it came in... That's when I finally was able to record it very badly, you know, on very slow speed.
	And wear it out, right?
	So, I mean, really, I came to love it through the toys and through the comics of that era.
	Though, you know, of course, I love the movies, but I could only see them once or twice in the theaters.
	All right, we have a special surprise guest.
	He is Tom Boone is his real name.
	He is 28 years DC Metropolitan Police Department, retiring as a detective sergeant, board member of the DC Star Wars Collecting Club.
	And he even brought me a present today.
	Not only did he come dressed as Boba Fett, I got a Boba Fett Hot Wheels Racer.
	I didn't even know this thing existed.
	All right, let's get back to work.
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	All right, let's go to the amazing emotional moment where the shuttle The Imperial shuttle they've stolen is flying to Endor, and
	Luke senses there might be a problem.
	Where is that shuttle going?
	Shuttle to Dirium.
	What is your cargo and destination?
	Parts and technical crew for the fourth moon.
	Do they have a code clearance?
	It's an older code, sir, but it checks out.
	I was about to clear them.
	I'm endangering the mission.
	I shouldn't have come.
	It's your imagination, kid.
	Come on, let's keep a little optimism.
	That's the moment where Luke realizes his father's capacity to sense him are still very, very strong.
	They make it through.
	Vader clears them.
	They get onto the forest moon of Endor.
	I have a little surprise from Wicket and the rest of his Ewok crew.
	Chris, this is your moment to shine.
	This is your glory moment.
	I give you three minutes of our time.
	Millions of people listening and watching.
	Justify the Ewoks.
	All right, I'll give it a shot.
	Look, Ewoks are like an underdog story, right?
	So you've got all kind of stories through history, even like the Revolutionary War, right?
	Hang on.
	We're going to hear George Washington is wicked right now.
	The Ewoks are the founding fathers.
	If you go there, Chris, I'm warning you now.
	Well, look, look, the point is that this is a universally respected concept, right?
	The universally appreciated story of the underdogs beating the great military, the great, much more technologically advanced.
	There's a story about a German, German tribes defeating the Romans.
	This is a very famous old story in Germany.
	Also very profound, right?
	This idea that an army... There was a great movie about Sparta, right, called 300 or something?
	300, I think.
	Yeah, 300, yeah, yeah.
	A small army with less munitions.
	Against the massive Persian hordes, right.
	Yes, again, you know, this is a story that comes up over and over and over again in history.
	And so the idea that the Ewoks, who are this very primitive tribe of, you know, little dwarfy teddy bears, defeating the Imperial troops, and these are some of the, from his own admission, the Emperor's, like, best men.
	It's kind of an inspiring story.
	Now, I think that part of it does work better if you're a kid, if you're a child, than if you're an adult.
	Admittedly.
	But I don't think that it completely detracts from the story.
	But I think that probably the Ewoks is why some people like Empire more than Jedi.
	I will say that if you like Han better than Luke, you're probably going to like Empire better.
	You know, Han is amazing in Empire.
	It's more his story.
	And Jedi really is the conclusion of Luke's story, Luke's story and Vader's story.
	And so for me, that part of it is the reason that Jedi is my favorite film.
	It's not so much the stuff on on Endor, although I will say that there's something beautiful about what they do in Star Wars.
	It's similar to what they do in the James Bond movies, a little bit the same what they do in the Indiana Jones films.
	Is they go to these exotic locations.
	Every movie has a different location, right?
	And in Star Wars, it's this, you know, it's the desert planet in the in the second film in Empire.
	You've got the snow planet of Hoth, the ice planet of Hoth.
	And then in this film, of course, you have the forest moon of Endor.
	And going to these different locations and creating a different sort of mise en scene, a different feeling for the film in each film, I think is a really, really brilliant way to do it.
	And you just don't really see that stuff anymore at all.
	Tom, help me out.
	You probably know this, but wasn't it originally meant to be the Wookiee planet?
	That's right.
	The Ewoks are kind of an allegory for the Vietnamese during the Vietnam War.
	That was Lucas's sort of idea going into it.
	It's become a kind of journalistic shorthand where they try to make the Vietnamese good, you know, and the Americans bad, right?
	But it's not quite that way.
	It's as simple as what Chris points out.
	It's the little guy.
	In the original script, in one of the original drafts, yes indeed it was intended to be Wookiees, but he had established Chewbacca as a mechanic and is very technically savvy, so he couldn't do that.
	So what he did was he cut him in half, cut the name in half, put him back in the forest, you know, Ewoks slash Wookiee.
	It's about toys.
	Yeah, the other thing about the Ewoks is that they really, the problem that I have with
	Ewoks, if I have a problem with them, because I love Return of the Jedi too, Chris, is that
	it really kind of dates the film.
	I think many of your 1980s era sci-fi movies and TV shows have cute little critters in
	them.
	You know, they have cute little robots like Tweaky and Buck Rogers.
	You have the little guy in Black Hole.
	You have E.T.
	What was it?
	No, the little dog in Battlestar Galactica.
	So there were always all these little things that sort of made it easier for kids to get into it or to have that kind of kiddie element.
	And also, it must be said that Lucas decided to go for cute very intentionally, not cynically, but with a calculated move.
	He wanted to complete Skywalker Ranch.
	And he, after the over-budget situation with The Empire Strikes Back, it did become much more of an art movie and much more intellectually.
	The series, which was initially intended to be kind of a fun, frothy, pulpy thing, became much more serious.
	And that was not, I believe, his original intention.
	So in Return of the Jedi, he wanted to go back to that kind of Surefire thing.
	Let's make sure that the kids like it.
	Let's make sure that the kids buy this stuff because he really wanted the ranch.
	Merchandise.
	And you've just ruined my day because I will not be able to forget now for the rest of the day Twinkie saying biddy biddy biddy biddy from Buck Rogers.
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	for For me, it's a little bit like underscoring.
	The problem for me with the movie, because you go from the scene with the furry little Ewoks to this incredible Shakespearean drama of the Emperor trying to entice Luke to the dark side, to give in to his anger and so lose control.
	That's where I find it a little bit hard to manage that juxtaposition.
	However, you're an actor, you're a writer, Chris.
	Ian McDermid, who had a very well-established career in TV.
	He played dozens and dozens of roles in various TV programs in the UK.
	Wow.
	Without him, we wouldn't see the Empire as we do, correct?
	No, yeah, I mean...
	He created this incredible character of the emperor, and it really does come across as a kind of primordial evil.
	He does seem like the devil himself.
	He seems like the embodiment of evil.
	And I feel like they did step up a little bit, even from Empire, in terms of how beautiful this film looks.
	I don't really mind the juxtaposition of going to Endor and then back to the ship.
	In movies, you need intense scenes, dark scenes, serious scenes, and then a bit of like light hearted fun to break up the tension.
	To me, that's great.
	You actually have three different locations.
	You have the you also have the battle scene as well going on.
	And that's pretty intense.
	And that's that's a bit of fun.
	And so going back and forth between the three, I think it's great.
	These, what happens right after this, by the way, is the great lightsaber battle.
	The lightsaber duel is stupendous.
	Stupendous.
	To me, this is exactly what the fans had been waiting for, right?
	We don't remember now because it's so long ago that we first saw these films.
	But in Star Wars, you don't really get a great lightsaber duel.
	You get Obi-Wan, who's quite old, against Vader, And Obi-Wan sort of just like lets Vader win.
	He says, strike me down.
	I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
	And then we get an empire, a not ready Luke, right?
	Like a not fully baked Jedi, Luke Skywalker, just completely destroyed by his father.
	And yes, that lightsaber scene is beautiful, fantastic, magnificent.
	But the fans, I really, really wanted to see You know, fully fledged Jedi Luke Skywalker in a lightsaber battle with Darth Vader.
	And they could not have delivered it better.
	The music is epic.
	It's I liken this film to Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, and maybe the reason that I do that is because the music almost sounds like Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.
	You've got this choral singing in the background, and that scene where they're in that duel and the camera's just panning across, watching them fight, just one of my favorite moments in all of cinema.
	Tom, you'd concur, best lightsaber duel?
	Well, definitely the best lightsaber duel of the original trilogy, for certain.
	We'll get back to that some other time.
	I happen to love the prequels.
	But yeah, I think that... Yes, very spicy.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for noticing.
	But yeah, I think that one of the great strengths of Return of the Jedi is Mark Hamill's acting.
	In that scene, in that set of scenes in particular, he really rose to the occasion and did a great job.
	It also should be pointed out that those scenes were directed by George Lucas.
	Not that many people know that.
	No, by Marklund.
	Not by Marquand.
	And also, the hiring of Ian McDiarmid was absolute masterstroke, and he came to full flower with the prequels.
	But yeah, that's definitely the great lightsaber fight of the original trilogy, is that third one.
	We'll have to negotiate whether there were prequels.
	We'll discuss that later.
	Off camera!
	Let's give also credit, not just to the acting there, but I think Let's ignore what George Lucas did to the movie later, but the special effects here, whether it's the rancor, which was, you know, puppetry and stop-motion, but it worked beautifully.
	The monster under Jabba's palace really worked, at least for me.
	Then we have the effects on the barge fight, we have the speeder bike race, and just the Simplicity with which they did all of this.
	Have you analyzed, have you looked at Chris, how they filmed the speeder bike race?
	Yeah, well they had a little, I think they call it an animatic, that they created before they did the speeder bike race, which is sort of models that they use to kind of do almost like a video version of a storyboard.
	And so they had everything mapped out perfectly.
	But then how they filmed it was just such old school, that they went through whatever it was, the Californian redwood forest, and they had a guy with a camera strapped to him walking through the forest, and they just slowed the film down in the camera, so when they played it at 24 frames a second, it looked like you're zipping through it 300 miles an hour.
	It just works.
	So we've got to doff our caps, whether it's the special effects of the Rancor, I think it works, whether it's the speeder bike race, whether it's the barge.
	We'll talk about other aspects of the movie in a second, but this truly, truly works.
	Whatever you think of the Ewoks, and you know, you've got to appeal to a broad demographic as well, this film is the apotheosis of the technology.
	Whatever they did to it later, this stuff hung together, and then you have the dramatic performances.
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	Okay, montage.
	Robocop?
	Robocop? Where?
	What the?
	Aaaaaaah!
	Vader's on that ship.
	Don't get jittery, Luke.
	There are a lot of command ships.
	Keep your distance though, Chewy.
	But don't look like you're trying to keep your distance.
	I don't know.
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	Sit down.
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	the world.
	It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator.
	It is quite safe from your pitiful little band.
	An entire legion of my best troops awaits them.
	Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
	Admiral, we have enemy ships!
	It's a great habit!
	It's a trap!
	It's a trap!
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	Emperor, if that's your legion of crack troops, I'd hate to see what the second-rate ones look like.
	Just a little montage.
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	The Return of the Jedi.
	Final thoughts before we get to our rankings.
	Richard Marquand, the director, ostensibly, of the movie.
	Weird choice.
	The only other famous movie he made, and he only made eight movies, eight movies in his whole career, was Jagged Edge, the thriller.
	It was made in 1983 at the cost of... Reports vary between 32 and 45 million dollars.
	Netted a cool 482 million.
	That's a 10x profit.
	Pretty, pretty good.
	Final thoughts before we rate this movie and pick the next movie.
	Chris?
	I got so next week I'm coming out with a video where I'm talking about this girl who's on TikTok, who says this came out a couple weeks ago.
	She comes out on TikTok and she says, I'm a Democrat and I want a traditional man.
	I want a masculine man.
	And every guy that I date who's masculine is a Republican.
	I can't find a guy that votes Democrat.
	And I can't find a manly man who drinks soy milk.
	It's weird.
	It's weird!
	And I said, look, it's impossible to find a masculine, traditional man who votes Democrat, and I explain all the reasons.
	But the truth is, we need stuff like this.
	The feminist Democrats turned America into a land of wimps, right?
	And before, in the 80s when we were coming up, you know, you have there in studio with you a police officer, a police officer who grew up on Star Wars, is still to this day clearly obsessed with Star Wars, right?
	In a healthy way.
	Very healthy.
	Clearly, clearly.
	Well, this is a guy who's got the most masculine job of all, right?
	He's there to potentially sacrifice himself for the well-being of the community.
	He's a police officer.
	And what did he come up on?
	He came up with heroes like Luke Skywalker and Han Solo.
	These movies shape our culture and they are absolutely necessary.
	You need films that celebrate masculinity.
	Absolutely.
	And to that end, I think we've got a photograph of our special guest in his alter ego, Eric.
	Can we show him?
	Look at that!
	Tom, fabulous looking, fabulous there.
	That arm is looking mighty, mighty polished.
	We would be much remiss of us to end this show without mentioning the most important aspect of this movie.
	Nothing to do with effects.
	Nothing to do with acting, nothing to do with script writing or locales.
	It is a certain piece of ladies costumery.
	Princess Leia's slave bikini.
	We cannot finish this review without mentioning that, can we Chris?
	Oh man, this is an iconic look.
	You know, I think women like it even more than men.
	I think it must be one of the most popular Halloween costumes available in the world.
	Alright, we had to do that.
	Ratings, please.
	Out of 10, you rate as per how a modern audience would think it.
	I put it in the eternal panoply of movies.
	What did we give Empire?
	You gave Empire an 11, right?
	11 out of 10.
	Yeah, that's right.
	What are you going to give return?
	Look, I can't, I cannot, uh, I have to cheat once again.
	What?
	Just at least, just for my own, I don't know, edification, not edification, that's not right.
	My own satisfaction.
	It's an 11 out of 10, once again, Return of the Jedi.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	Tom, can I ask you, in the original three?
	I think, in all cases, it's about an eight and a half.
	Eight and a half?
	Alright, Boba Fett says it's an eight and a half.
	With all respect to Chris.
	I think... Well, Boba Fett was killed in the movie, so...
	Or maybe not.
	But maybe not.
	Or maybe not.
	I think I'm going to have to concur with our in-studio guest.
	I'm going to give the return of the Jedi eight and a half.
	And just as you mentioned, I want to recognize Tom.
	Thank you, Tom, for what you've done in uniform for more than two decades.
	Thank you.
	We don't have jobs.
	We just pose in front of cameras and microphones, but you had a real job.
	So God bless you, Tom Boone.
	My colleague here at OWAVA Radio at Salem.
	All right, last thing to do.
	Chris, what's next?
	Your choice.
	Well, with your permission, Seb, I'd like to go back in time a little bit.
	I know we normally do 80s films, but I was thinking maybe we do something a little earlier.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	A great film, a film that's mentioned in a new, it's not Top Gear anymore, what's it called?
	The Grand Tour?
	Yeah, they're looking a little bit at this old movie.
	It's a classic, one of the great films, a film that was on TV, I don't know, maybe twice, three times a year when I was growing up as a kid.
	I saw this movie a million times, one of the greatest films of all times.
	The Great Escape.
	I knew it!
	All right, I have a big, big poster of Steve McQueen in my living room at home, so we are going to be making movies great again with a slightly older movie, but it's kind of ageless.
	It is The Great Escape.
	God bless you.
	Chris, Tom, thank you for joining us today.
	We are making movies great together.

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