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June 27, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: The truth about the Trump tape

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	So, you know, I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Okay.
	Well, it's been released.
	We have the audio of the president committing espionage.
	Have you heard it?
	Here it is.
	I was just thinking, uh, uh, anyway, I started off without you and I'd sold a lot of state secrets and a lot of very important things that we shared.
	Oh sorry, it's Biden.
	That was last week with the Prime Minister of India sitting next to him.
	Yeah, on camera, saying, I stole a lot of state secrets.
	Jeff, that didn't even turn up till yesterday.
	Were people like sitting on that?
	Where was that video?
	I'm surprised, too.
	I guess just nobody pays attention to his press conferences anymore, so nobody really knew about it.
	Do you have any explanation for what on God's green earth he was doing there?
	Yeah, he's trying to be funny.
	Like, remember a couple weeks ago, he said, where's all the money or the checks or something?
	He was joking about that, too.
	So say, as president, saying, I stole a lot of state secrets.
	That's supposed to be a joke, right?
	Yeah, but he's an idiot.
	Thank you for that clarification.
	That is the best clarification we've had on this show for four and a half years.
	Yes, because he's an idiot.
	I second that motion.
	All right, so the mainstream, the rhinos, the Trump haters, the swamp, are super excited because somebody committed a felony.
	Yeah, Jack Smith.
	Somebody should probably arrest Jack Smith, the special counsel, because he said in his indictment, the 37 count indictment of my former boss, the 45th president of the United States, he's got recordings of President Trump talking to somebody about classified documents.
	Okay, okay.
	But somebody gave the recordings to CNN.
	That's evidence in a federal trial.
	That's called a felony.
	You can't do that.
	But no, that's not the story.
	The story is the videotape or the audio tape, which again, the walls are closing in.
	We heard that for seven years, is another nothing burger when it comes to President Trump.
	But when it comes to some other people who aren't Republicans, That's very damning.
	That's how stupid.
	That's like Jeff said, yeah, because he's stupid.
	Well, so are the rest of the Democrats.
	We have the audio recording.
	We've cut it into two segments.
	Here's the first part that they think is so, so bad for President Trump.
	Cut 10.
	With Milley, let me see that.
	I'll show you an example.
	He said that I wanted to attack Iran.
	Isn't it amazing?
	I have a big pile of papers.
	This thing just came out.
	Look.
	This was him.
	They presented me this.
	This is off the record, but they presented me this.
	This was him.
	This was the Defense Department and him.
	Wow.
	We looked at some.
	This was him.
	This wasn't done by me.
	This was him.
	All sorts of stuff.
	Pages long.
	Look.
	Wait a minute.
	Let's see here.
	I just found, isn't that amazing?
	This totally wins my case, you know.
	Except it is like highly confidential secret.
	There's a secret information.
	Look at this.
	So, first, it damages the narrative of the deep state.
	Remember what they said about President Trump?
	War monger!
	He's gonna get us into war!
	For four years, no new wars.
	Unlike Bush.
	Unlike Obama.
	Unlike Biden.
	Can you say Ukraine?
	No wars for four years.
	And then they say, but he wanted to go to war with Iran.
	And what's in the recording?
	It was Mark Milley.
	It was the generals who prepared an invasion plan, a war plan against Iran.
	So number one, it strengthens the president in the eyes of those who agree with no new wars.
	But the most damaging part of it all, not to President Trump, of course, because they are idiots, is the next part of the recording.
	Cut 11.
	11.
	Hillary would print that out all the time.
	She'd send it to Anthony Weiner.
	By the way, isn't that incredible?
	Yeah.
	Go back to that image and freeze on that image of the second page of the transcript of CNN
	because I love this.
	I love this, okay?
	So, somebody says, I think the author who's interviewing him, that Hillary would print out these classified documents.
	Okay, freeze it there.
	Freeze it there.
	And President Trump corrects her and says, no, she didn't print them out.
	She'd email them.
	She'd email top secret government documents on an unclassified, on a completely unsecure network, her private server.
	And where would she send them?
	I love it.
	Here it is.
	Antony Weiner, the pervert.
	So this Thelonious League is actually damaging to who?
	The people who actually committed crimes.
	President Trump, the Presidential Records Act is clear.
	He gets to decide what is his.
	He can't be charged with any criminal act because the 1978 Act is a civil statute.
	That's why they went back to 1917 to charge him under the Espionage Act, which does not apply to presidents.
	But there's somebody who wasn't a president.
	Who isn't protected by the Presidential Records Act?
	And that's Hillary Clinton, who committed crimes we know of.
	Just remember, Jim Comey said at least 108 classified documents that he declared, there are many many more, that were communicated on an unsecure server.
	That we know, we know was the target of inimical nations like China, like North Korea, like Iran, like Russia.
	And then, you gotta love the president, she was sending them to perverts like Antony Weiner.
	Remember, remember, we only know about all of this stuff.
	About the Clinton scandals, the emails, because of what?
	The NYPD investigating Antony Weiner's sexting of underage girls.
	They saw the national security information on those laptops and they told the Feds, this has now been confirmed, you can listen to Dan Bongino and others who've dissected this, the NYPD, God bless them, patriots, told the Feds, if you don't make this a federal case, we're going to leak it all.
	We're going to, this, this pervert, His wife, Huma, Aberdeen, Hillary's Chief of Staff, all of them.
	We're gonna leak it all unless you get serious.
	Sad thing is, of course, the NYPD entrusted the FBI and the DOJ.
	Daddy's DOJ!
	Biden's DOJ.
	Alright.
	Another nothing burger for the President.
	But a T-bone steak.
	Actually, it's a porterhouse, I think, when it comes to damage to Hillary, to Antony, Wiener, and the deep state scum.
	Like Mark Milley.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	We have an amazing lineup for you today.
	We'll be dissecting all of the things you must know about the deep state.
	With Chris Farrell of Judicial Watch in the third hour, Lord Black will be with us.
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	How you doing, fake Dr. Gorka?
	How you doing, sad sack mama's boy, Jimbo?
	Aw, sad sack mama's boy.
	I'm gonna change my voice and talk like Gorka.
	Hey, I was watching that interview you did with Trump.
	You are one pathetic bitch, dude.
	He said that you have to get ID'd to go to the grocery store, and your pathetic cuckass nodded your head.
	You are pathetic, dude.
	Dude, are you talking on your mom's phone in your basement?
	Dude, are you talking out of your ass?
	This is the best you've got.
	But you know what?
	You know what I like about you, Jimbo?
	Thanks for listening to the show and the interview with the president.
	We love the follow.
	Goodbye, cuck boy!
	What was he even saying?
	Trump didn't say that.
	They literally just make shit up.
	Oh, man.
	Oh.
	All right, Lighthizer isn't able to do it now.
	I'm trying to figure out when.
	She said it wasn't confirmed, even though she told me, yes, we can do it yesterday.
	Where is the proof that she said that?
	In email?
	Give it to me.
	245.
	And give me her contact details.
	else.
	The whole caller.
	Good.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah, welcome 1,400 of you.
	Welcome, welcome, welcome.
	Titles for that monologue and also for the secretary.
	For the monologue, what shall we do?
	The Trump tape, colon.
	Bad for Millie, Hillary, and pervy Anthony Weiner.
	Fort Bragg will always be Fort Bragg.
	I never knew Fort McNair was right there in D.C.
	Yeah, it's at the bottom of the diamond, right at the tip where the two rivers meet.
	Citizens in bed.
	And they still have that little area where the Lincoln conspirators were hunting?
	No, just the photograph.
	Oh, okay.
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	between President Trump and Ron DeSantis.
	Ron DeSantis saying some really weird things.
	I guess he hasn't fired his very weak communications team.
	Let's see what he has to say about the southern border of the United States.
	Cut eight.
	Play cut.
	Former President Donald Trump is pledging this time around he is going to carry out the largest wave of mass deportations in U.S.
	history.
	So, I asked Governor Ron DeSantis to respond to that.
	Take a listen.
	Well, he said that in 2016 as well, and then didn't do it.
	I mean, they had some, but they didn't have anything out of the ordinary.
	So I think we would be much more assertive than he was in his first administration.
	So if I'm hearing you correctly, President Trump promised in 2016 mass deportations.
	You feel he didn't deliver.
	You're saying you will deliver on mass deportations.
	Yeah, we will.
	There's going to be a firm and swift consequence to violating the law.
	Uh, so President Trump was soft on the border?
	That's a bit weird.
	Let's ask somebody who worked for him and who actually secured the border.
	He's a good friend of America First.
	You know who he is.
	Former director of ICE, Tom Homan.
	Here's his response.
	Cut 7.
	What is your reaction to DeSantis' visit to the border?
	Well, if you want to quote the Trump playbook, I think you should at least mention his name.
	I mean, look, I appreciate Ron DeSantis.
	He's done a great job in Florida and got some great immigration legislation there.
	But let's be clear.
	I've worked for six presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan.
	No one No one did more than President Trump to secure the border.
	Illegal immigration was down 83%.
	Illegal immigration down to a 45-year law.
	So, President Trump had unprecedented success.
	Something I've never seen in my 35-year career.
	So, again, I appreciate Ron DeSantis wants to take border security seriously, but everything he mentioned yesterday has already been done by the Trump administration, was very successful by the Trump administration.
	So, at least he's paying attention that these policies worked.
	Yeah, I don't know why he said we're finally going to get control when we know that Trump had control.
	You're right.
	Yeah, for all the presidents he's worked with, President Trump was the most effective of all.
	Doesn't know what he's talking about.
	It's time for America to take a measure of Ron DeSantis if he's already preparing to tell such lies about a man who secured our border.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to Annabelle, California.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	Good to talk to you.
	Likewise.
	Two quick points.
	One, I was telling Jeff in 2000, and I'm going to say about 2012, I remember it vividly.
	Obama made a statement.
	It was not a big deal at the time because Biden wasn't president.
	No one was thinking about Hunter.
	But he basically said it wasn't a hot mic.
	He made a statement to Joe, Vice President Joe, you better rein in your son because it's becoming a national security issue.
	So my question, if Eric can find that, doesn't it prove that Obama knew there was something going on, and Joe definitely knew, because he didn't say, well, what are you talking about, Barack?
	Jeff, Jeff, do you remember this story Annabelle's telling about reigning in your son?
	Vaguely, I think.
	But not 100% sure.
	All right, stay on the line Annabelle.
	Give Jeff the details because it's not really ringing a bell for me, but we'll look into it.
	That's why we love you, our listeners, because you're the most important part of the show and especially all the information you garner and share with us.
	Let's go to Greg in Chandler, Arizona.
	Hey, pleasure, Gorka, as always.
	Quick question, interviewing, I know you're talking about possibly interviewing Rosen this weekend, hopefully.
	Yes.
	I thought the exchange yesterday was crazy.
	At the end of it, it jumps out real fast after Rosen gives a quote and Kirby gives him the stiff arm, I'm not talking da-da-da-da.
	Yeah.
	Then Rosen says in all that mayhem, look, I've got a lot more.
	And then Kirby goes, Oh, I know you do.
	You got more than I would like you to have.
	I know, I know.
	It's such a creepy, creepy part of Kirby's response.
	That scared the bejeezy... Well, I mean, obviously Rosen's been through this with the Obama administration as well, too.
	It's like, what do you mean I have more?
	If there's nothing here, I shouldn't have anything.
	I mean, that's a typical... That should be an easy thwart for him.
	Look, there's nothing here.
	How do I have more if there's nothing here to begin with?
	Very creepy.
	Greg, can I ask you a question?
	Yes, sir.
	Maybe it's because I'm an immigrant.
	Why do some people call other people by their last name?
	Good question.
	Habit, I guess.
	But where did you learn that?
	Because the only people who call me by my last name are people I went to school with or people who served with me in the same squad in the military.
	Is it common in America?
	Well, I'll tell you what was coming.
	When I was brought up, everybody was a mister.
	I don't care how much, if he was a year older than me, he was a mister.
	And yes, I've gotten lazy and I've dropped the mister.
	So typically I would have, I was raised to call you Mr. Worker regardless.
	Well, Sebastian, but your last name is like, did you go to school with me?
	Did you serve in the same unit as me?
	And I just find it weird.
	Anyway, that's, that's my neuralgic point.
	Great, great observation, though.
	I didn't even mention it yesterday, Greg, but that is the creepiest part when Kirby says, yeah, you've got far more than I would even want you to know.
	What does that mean, Kirby?
	Journalists shouldn't have questions.
	They shouldn't have information.
	That's why you're Kabul, Kirby, and you are a disgrace to the US Navy's uniform you once wore.
	Let's go to Georgia.
	Robert, welcome.
	Yes, sir.
	Appreciate your time, talent, and interest.
	Let us say that you have a spare $10 million sitting around in a Chinese checking account for your business.
	And why would I give any of that money?
	Why would I give any contracts to Hunter Biden by extortion or by threat or just open up bribery if there wasn't already a payback?
	In other words, If Joe Biden had no influence, if Joe Biden had been receiving no money, if nobody else had been receiving money, why would customer number two listen to Hunter Biden?
	The answer is, dear Hunter, you have no value to me.
	Unless policy has been changed.
	And also here's the other great question, Robert.
	What are they paying Hunter Biden $80,000 for every month?
	To provide what services?
	He knows how to have sex with Russian hookers and smoke crack pipes.
	This is the question.
	What business were the Biden family in?
	All right.
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	♪♪ A little... Oh, mic's on.
	So here's a fun little fact.
	Politico had this story a little while ago.
	Documents reveal that Mayor Eric Adams used at least $50,000 of taxpayer money to send illegal aliens to Florida, Texas, and to China.
	What?
	He literally sent illegal to China, which you know what that means?
	Eric Adams has deported more immigrants than DeSantis has.
	All right, can you print that out?
	Yeah.
	If I send this to you, Alex, could you print it off from here?
	Or do I need to... Okay, yeah.
	Okay, give me a second.
	Yeah, none of this is a solid confirmation, Jeff.
	He's checking now.
	you you
	...
	...
	Congressman, are we going to get any of these burner phone records, any of these credit card records from these shell companies?
	Because that could lead us somewhere.
	Yeah, I think that'll probably, Jesse, primarily out of Chairman Comer's committee, the Oversight Committee.
	He's been focused on the business records associated with the Biden, you know, business enterprise.
	Jim, Jim, Jim!
	Come on, don't leave it all up to Comer.
	He's hardly lived up to expectations.
	If Hunter Biden and Joe Biden were using He's one of the good guys.
	I guess it all depends on how quickly he turns up his power levels.
	I think he's the best possible replacement for Tucker.
	Jesse Waters who's been given Tucker's prime time slot.
	Eric, how long is Jesse gonna last before they fire him as well?
	What's your expectation?
	Because he's one of the good guys.
	How long?
	He's one of the good guys.
	I guess it all depends on how quickly he turns up his power levels.
	I think he's the best possible replacement for Tucker.
	He could be there for a few years, I think.
	But what if they try and censor him, Eric?
	Oh, I don't know, man.
	He's just got that charisma.
	That's one thing about him.
	He's one of the most charismatic people on Fox News.
	He's a guy who could, I don't know if he matches Tucker's numbers, but he could become pretty popular in his own right.
	We wish him well.
	We wish him well, although, you know...
	Newsmax, we'll take the good guys.
	We're ready for you.
	I'm going to be hosting.
	I had so much fun last night.
	Chris Plant is out gallivanting.
	He's having a vacation with his lovely lady.
	So I was hosting his show, The Squad, The Wright Squad, last night.
	And it got a little spicy.
	We had a lot of fun.
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	Let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to Mike, California.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	I believe that Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was actually making a reference to Barack Obama in that very infamous message he sent via WhatsApp.
	Why?
	Because he says there, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me, being his father, and every person he knows, that would include Barack Obama, the president, who's the most important person, Joe Biden, we know at the time the president of the United States, most powerful man in the world.
	Yeah, but what's your evidence for that?
	I'm saying it's an inference, but I think it's pretty obvious, because he said that every person he knows... Yeah, but that includes the guy who washes his car and, you know, cleans his crack pipe.
	I mean, so what?
	It also includes... Fine, Mike.
	Fine, Mike.
	It's like, so what?
	It's like, you don't have evidence for that.
	It's an inference.
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	Sebastian.
	So what I got to say is on these Trump tapes, I don't think this constitutes sharing classified documents.
	No.
	I don't hear the details.
	He's shuffling papers, talking about something.
	He's doing a Rush Limbaugh.
	He's doing a paper shuffle.
	Yes, sir.
	And then so that covers that point.
	And then on the last names, Gorka.
	You know why people say, hey, Gorka?
	I know exactly.
	So they're reminding you that what you say, what you do is going to reflect on your family.
	So it's like a serious thing.
	Oh, I'm not sure.
	He couldn't explain that to that depth, but it's an interesting theory.
	I just found this tweet from Brian Cates.
	Apparently he's a journalist.
	It's a draw and strike on Twitter.
	And it's getting out.
	The fake news spin isn't working.
	Let me read this with regards to the Trump tape.
	Look past the fake news propaganda about the Trump Millie recording.
	What's the real revelation?
	It's that Milley and the military command structure wanted to kick off a new war in Iran after President Trump made it crystal clear he was really going to shut down their forever wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
	He, President Trump, wouldn't let them expand the U.S.
	military footprint in Syria either.
	Then he took out Soleimani, the Iranian chief terrorist, with a precision strike, not a war.
	That's the real story, my friends.
	The military complex, the Pentagon, Mark Milley, their buddies in Raytheon, that's where the current Secretary of Defense was a board member.
	They wrote a plan to go to war with Iran after President Trump said no new wars.
	That's the real story.
	Oh, and the fact that Hillary Clinton actually sent, you know, classified documents back and forth on an unsecured server to perverts like Anthony Weiner while he was sexting with young girls.
	That's the real story.
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	What was the problem?
	Was there a camera issue with the guest camera in the pre-record?
	With Wilkie?
	Yeah, Guy.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Sorry, sir.
	I mixed up one of the mixing effects.
	Sorry.
	So it wasn't a fault in the camera.
	Right, right.
	PhD.
	you Yeah.
	Two minutes.
	You want to keep using that before and after photo for Ph.D.?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I'm gonna use three.
	3 and 4.
	four here. Three and four. All right. Oh yes.
	Very well.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Mhm. Yeah.
	Mhm.
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	I've heard it before.
	Ooh, so he's got a trend, a pattern.
	Yeah, remember the debates?
	Yes.
	The RNC debate and he tried to do it with Trump at one point?
	This is true, this is true.
	So you might be right.
	We don't lay traps for our guests but there's a certain mayor of Miami called Suarez who was on Hugh Hewitt's show and it looks like he laid a landmine for him and Mayor Suarez stepped right in it.
	Did Hugh do it on purpose?
	I'll let you judge.
	Cut three!
	Penultimate question, Mayor.
	Will you be talking about the Uyghurs in your campaign?
	The what?
	The Uyghurs.
	What's a Uyghur?
	What's the website again, Mayor Suarez?
	The website is www.francissuarez.com and you gave me your homework.
	I'll look at what it was.
	Did you call it a Weeble?
	The Uyghurs.
	You really need to know about the Uyghurs, Mayor.
	You gotta talk about it every day.
	I will talk about it.
	I will search Uyghurs.
	I'm a good learner.
	I'm a fast learner.
	Jeff, did he have to say Weebles?
	Yes, he did.
	I remember Weebles.
	I grew up with Weebles.
	I'll just say one thing.
	The marketing motto for Weebles is, Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.
	Little egg-shaped toy.
	That didn't go well for you.
	But it did remind me of something.
	Eric, what did that remind you of?
	That reminded me of one of the greatest memes from the 2016 campaign, courtesy of Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson.
	Gary Johnson, who was asked on MSNBC about what was going on in Syria at the time, especially in the city of Aleppo.
	And this was the presidential hopeful's response.
	Cut 4.
	What would you do if you were elected about Aleppo?
	About Aleppo.
	And what is Aleppo?
	You're kidding.
	No.
	Just the way he says it.
	And what is Aleppo?
	And I'll be the president.
	What's the phrase?
	Not ready for prime time.
	Let's go to your calls, line one in Atlanta.
	Brian, welcome to America First.
	Thanks, Sebastian.
	I'll tell you why a lot of Americans use last names as they address people.
	Yeah, please, enlighten me.
	If you were in high school or college athletics, the coach always referred to the players by their last name.
	I get that, I get that, but you do that with your fellow teammate, right?
	Well, the coach does it to the players.
	Yeah, but it's people who are in that team.
	Correct, but like if you were in high school or in college, you would know that you played soccer or something.
	Right, but people, that's exactly the point I made.
	I do that with guys I was in school with.
	Not with guys I wasn't in school with.
	If I met, right, somebody, I wouldn't say, hey, Smith, if I hadn't been in school with him.
	I agree with that completely.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Is that why you called to educate me?
	No, I missed your initial statement.
	So I got educated from you to listen sooner on your show.
	Oh, that's very kind.
	Well, thank you, Brian.
	That's very kind.
	Let's go to Los Angeles, Jeff, line two.
	I know there's no rating upside or financial upside to giving a realistic perception of what's going on
	with Trump and these tapes.
	If you're in right-wing media, because he's a cash cow, and if you turn against him in any way, like Fox News has,
	you're gonna get shut down and listeners will go elsewhere.
	So I get that, but at what point do you start telling your viewers and listeners the truth?
	Like, if he goes to jail, are you going to pretend that he's not in jail?
	No, and if he's being politically persecuted, I'll say exactly that, Jeff.
	Why?
	Let's flip it.
	At what point are the Democrats going to tell the truth about Biden?
	Like he's senile and like his son is a whoring crack addict who's in league with China and Russia.
	Tell me, Jeff, when they, maybe you're one of them, are going to tell the truth about their political icons.
	Well, you're grasping at straws.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm playing a game with you.
	I'm asking you to answer your question first.
	Because guess what?
	My former boss doesn't have a son who's in league with China, Russia, our enemies, who has videotape of him whoring and smoking a crack pipe, Jeff.
	We don't have that on our side.
	So the burden of fessing up to the truth is on your side, Jeff.
	When are you going to start?
	When are you going to start saying, you know what, 10% for the big guy, that's not good.
	So, are you going to... No, no, no, answer the question.
	When are you on your side where there is actual evidence of crimes committed, when are you going to say, ah, that's bad?
	Just, just tell me a time.
	When are you going to start, Jeff?
	Jeff, it's very simple.
	When are you going to start telling the truth about what we know?
	$80,000 a month for a no-show job, $1.4 billion from the Communist Bank of China.
	When are you going to say, ooh, yeah, that's wrong?
	You can't do it!
	You can't do it!
	You're a cult Jeff!
	You're in a stinking cult!
	You're like Jim Jones!
	You're gonna drink the Kool-Aid!
	You're gonna go all the way to the end because you just You can't admit that you are on the side of darkness.
	You are on the side that is prepared to say removing a 12-year-old girl's breasts is good.
	It helps her.
	You're on the side that says 110,000 deaths from fentanyl and poisoning, that's okay!
	Equity!
	Open borders, Jeff.
	You've got to leave the cult, Jeff.
	You're on the side of evil.
	Liberate yourself.
	Liberate your soul before it's too late.
	Repent from your political cultism.
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	Oh, I don't know what the name.
	Put him on.
	I don't even remember what the name was he said.
	I think it was Jean-Claude or something.
	Wankerton Jean-Claude, yes sir.
	Alright.
	What did you want to say?
	Well, you know, I want to just acknowledge him for the manhood hour and the different advice he gives to fathers, you know, and just kind of share a little bit about my experience growing up as a father of three children, an American citizen, and some of the demoralizing... You grew up as a father of three children?
	No, no, so how I've grown up and now I'm a father.
	That's the tell-all when they start saying things that don't make any sense.
	That's what you can tell right away.
	Their IQs are like 9 out of 200.
	That's not accurate, but I appreciate it.
	Yeah, well, it's not accurate.
	Dude, you're a sad case.
	If I just keep going and I'm polite, they might put me on the radio.
	I might trick them.
	They're so much smarter than me, but I might trick them.
	No, I'm not trying to trick anybody.
	I do appreciate your show.
	I often watch it.
	See, wouldn't you hang up by now if you were actually real?
	Yeah, if you're for real, you'd be pissed.
	But no, this guy's so dumb.
	No, I'm not pissed off because, you know, I like that you're combative.
	I like that you push back and confront people.
	And that's one of the things that I think... We're still not going to let you on air because you're a loser.
	Oh, I got it.
	You know that, right?
	I respect that.
	I appreciate your time.
	Nice.
	Thank you.
	Goodbye.
	Alright, that's a liner for the call-in.
	That is a lie though, I respect that.
	You're stupid, I respect that.
	I respect that.
	That's so good.
	I was gonna say two on that call.
	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	I I've been told I dealt with the last caller like a Southern Baptist preacher.
	Brimstone and fire.
	Geoff, was that out of character?
	Did you not like the way I dealt with that caller?
	No, we all liked that.
	That was a good one.
	You liked that?
	Eric, did you approve?
	That was great.
	It came out of nowhere and it was an incredible burst of genius.
	We need to see more of that, honestly.
	But not too much.
	You don't want to dilute it, right?
	Every now and then.
	A rare serving of it every now and then.
	Was that confusing for you, Alex?
	Because as a Catholic, was it weird for me to suddenly go all brimstone and fire?
	That's how I was raised.
	I was getting motivated over here.
	You were enjoying that?
	Yeah.
	You want more of that?
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	Well, it was just spontaneous.
	And as it was coming through, as my brain cells were going, you know, repent.
	That's the word I want to use.
	Am I going to say it?
	Am I going to say it as a Catholic in front of three and a half million people like a Baptist?
	And I said, Hell yeah, I'm gonna say it.
	Excuse my French.
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	Hello.
	Greetings.
	Hi Schmidt.
	Good, good, good, good.
	We'll discuss both of your pieces in The Sun and The Epoch Times, but then a second segment we'll talk about The President.
	What's your initial take on the tape release, the felonious release?
	You mean the whistleblower?
	No, no, no.
	The recording of the President with the documents.
	Was that just announced today?
	Yes, it was today, right?
	CNN.
	Yeah, it was today.
	Look, I don't know what happened.
	Tell me what happened.
	All right, play the audio for Conrad.
	So this is the evidence that Jack Smith has that was illegally leaked to CNN, the discussion with the biographer.
	So let's play it.
	Play it.
	With Milley, let me see that.
	I'll show you an example.
	He said that I wanted to attack Iran.
	Isn't it amazing?
	I have a big pile of papers.
	This thing just came up.
	Look.
	This was him.
	They presented me this.
	This is off the record, but they presented me this.
	This was him.
	This was the Defense Department and him.
	We looked at some.
	This was him.
	This wasn't done by me.
	This was him.
	All sorts of stuff.
	Pages long.
	Look.
	Wait a minute.
	Let's see here.
	Isn't that amazing?
	This totally wins my case, you know.
	Except it is like highly confidential secret.
	This is secret information.
	Look at this.
	So he's showing a classified war plan against Iran that was actually written by Mark Milley and the Joint Chiefs.
	And he was shocked to say that he was supposed to be the warmonger and the Pentagon was actually planning this instead.
	And now they're saying this is the evidence, that's why he has to go to jail.
	Well, it's rubbish.
	It's complete rubbish.
	And when he says this is him, he's talking about Milley, isn't he?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't see anything.
	I mean, so what?
	Right.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	Stand by.
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	Mic's off.
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	We will discuss that in the next segment But let's talk about international issues the last four days in Europe with one of your favorites He's the author of a library of books all worth your time most recently Donald J. Trump, a president like no other, co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett, Lord Conrad Black.
	It feels like it's been a while.
	Welcome back.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	Good to be with you.
	All right, so you have two pieces in the Epoch Times and the New York Sun about what we witnessed over the weekend in Russia.
	I always like to say all initial reports from the battlefield are false.
	Not just a pinch of salt, a large bucket of salt should be used.
	Could you summarize your conclusions and where you stand on whether or not this was a real coup or something else?
	Well, it looks not so much like a coup as just a showdown where this man had taken his private army and rented it out to the Russians and was so disgusted at the Russian military plan that he really didn't feel he could ask his men to go on risking their lives in such an incompetently conceived enterprise as the Russian invasion of Ukraine, according to
	him, had become.
	So I think it was more of a mutiny than any plan of an insurrection.
	And his group, this Wagner group, is largely a Chechnyan operation.
	But so I...
	A form of felons.
	Yeah, sure. And this guy is a terrible thug, from all accounts.
	But that's not the point.
	They were providing 25,000 fighting men, and the Chechnyans are good fighters, as the Russians know.
	And so what I would see it as is not an attempted coup, such as Gorbachev sustained, for example, in his latter days, that Yeltsin was instrumental in stopping, as a defection, a desertion.
	And in that sense, I think it is a terrible humiliation to the Russian army, because even though these people were mercenaries, I mean, so were the people that George Washington crossed the Delaware River to attack on the day after Christmas in 1776 mercenaries, but they were still the enemy, and to have More than an entire single division, 25,000 men, fighting them trigger pullers, not quartermasters and desk people, I mean fighters.
	To have them pull out and in fact turn against the government that was ostensibly paying them is a completely shocking development, and I can't think of a precedent for it in the history of any serious country.
	I mean, even France, in the terrible collapse of 1940, they didn't have a a division simply defect and and uh... italy with all the
	defeats it suffered at the hands of the british
	i went under mussolini i mean because the italians would fight for mussolini's
	nonsense but they didn't they didn't defect and go over to the enemy
	and uh... that i may have tried to get i think it is uh...
	uh... it's it's a terrible condemnation of the military skill of the russian general staff in the
	conduct of the war and the whole concept of the invasion of ukraine
	more than it is indicative of the weakness of putin within the kremlin
	But with that said, Russia historically has a very low toleration of failure in its leaders, and Khrushchev was got rid of.
	For a much less serious error than Putin has made in the invasion of Ukraine.
	But what about this detail that you have the flunky, the satrapy state of Lukashenko's Belarusia, that is a client to the Kremlin, providing asylum to not only Prilgozhin, but to all of the Wagner group, and then Putin making the statement that nobody's going to be prosecuted.
	Doesn't this make the whole mutiny seem a tad artificial?
	Well, except they've gone from the front lines.
	I mean, the Wagner group was fighting the fight for Russia, and they're not there anymore.
	So in one stroke, he's lost, what, 15% of his soldiers.
	If they really... So there is another theory that, you know, the war in Ukraine has been mostly in the south in an attempt to landlock the nation, to isolate it.
	The north with Kiev is the real The real treasure, the real jewel.
	And now the Wagner Group, as a result of this quote-unquote coup, has now managed to reposition itself close to Kiev, just across the border in Byelorussia.
	Could this not all be, you know, maskirovka, just a ruse, and also a way for Putin to identify all those who weren't on his side?
	Well, I guess so, but I think that's unlikely.
	I mean, there were instances of him having the Russian Air Force attack the Wagner group on the road to Moscow.
	Now, maybe they didn't kill many of them, but they were firing live ammunition.
	And I don't think such a gang of Thugs, as the Wagner group could be choreographed to go through a scenario that included an aerosol with live ammunition.
	Against them, as part of a plan to pretend to withdraw from the war, only to reposition themselves in Belarus, where they're only, what, 50 miles or so?
	Yes.
	I mean, that I could believe if it was executed by Stalin, or by, you know, the German General Staff in World War II, or General MacArthur or something, but I think it's beyond the abilities of this group.
	Also, I mean, I agree that Lukashenko, the head of the Belarus regime, is just a front, a puppet of Putin's.
	But I think it's perhaps more likely that Putin invoked Lukashenko just to get the Wagner group out of the way, to take them there as a stopgap.
	So that the crisis ended quickly.
	Because he couldn't have... I mean, he could not easily have put up with a situation where he actually had to defeat a military assault on the Kremlin by 25,000 armed Chechens.
	I mean, I don't doubt he could have done it.
	There was no way they were actually going to capture Moscow as they captured Rostov.
	But I think Putin was prepared to...
	guarantee that he wouldn't prosecute these people just to get rid of them.
	But where they're going to go now is another issue.
	I mean, maybe he won't try and exact any revenge on the actual members of the Wagner group,
	but if I were...
	What's his name, Krip?
	Prigozhin.
	Yeah, if I were him, I wouldn't stand near any open windows.
	And his standing now, Putin's standing domestically and internationally, how much does this weaken at least his appearance of control?
	Very severely, I would say.
	I mean, I literally cannot think of the leader, any leader of any serious country who's suffered such a humiliating setback to have A key element of a force engaged in a combat that he initiated suddenly defect like this and take over the regional military headquarters without firing a shot.
	I mean, occupying a city of a million people without firing a shot.
	I mean, this is absolutely astounding.
	You know, I mean, you can't, in an insurrection, you can't occupy anything without firing a shot.
	And they were, as has been recorded by the media of the world, The Wagner Group has been wildly cheered by crowds of Russians.
	We just showed the footage of the Wagner Group being welcomed, exactly as you said.
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	So, play cut 11, please.
	Hillary would print that out all the time, you know.
	She'd send it to Anthony Weiner for Perler.
	By the way, isn't that incredible?
	So it's hard to hear that, but she says, the biographer says, in reference to classified documents, these are the ones Hillary would print off.
	And the president says, no, no, no.
	She'd email them to people like Anthony Weiner.
	And then everybody starts laughing because, you know, this is exactly what she did.
	It wasn't documents held in a compound protected by the Secret Service.
	It was classified documents sent on an unsecured server, including to, you know, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
	And was he talking to somebody who's writing a book about him?
	Yes.
	Allegedly.
	That's the accusation in the indictment that these conversations that were recorded were recorded with a staffer in the room and with some woman as yet identified who was working on a book.
	And for this they want to send him to prison for 400 years?
	Correct.
	Correct.
	I mean, can anyone take this seriously?
	CNN does.
	MSNBC does.
	Let me ask you this, though.
	Don't you notice that on the latest Hunter things, the left wing media is really starting to wobble about Biden?
	It is fascinating.
	The fact just alone that on Friday, My Newsmax colleague, James Rosen, God bless him, reads in the White House press briefing the whole text of that encrypted WhatsApp message that Hunter sent to that Chinese official saying, you know, send the money now.
	The fact that the same WhatsApp message was read onto the record by CNN the same day, that means, I don't know, I'll ask you this question on air, I think something's happening.
	I think they're running for the hills here.
	But then what's the plan?
	But what's the plan?
	Kamala?
	Well I think they'll have to get rid of her too.
	So they'll have to have a regular primary?
	Yeah, look, LBJ quit in March 31 of election year.
	So, you know, a much later date than this.
	Now, they had Hubert Humphrey and Bobby Kennedy just waiting to see if he quit or not.
	I think Bobby Kennedy had announced his candidacy just a few days before.
	It was Eugene McCarthy and then Kennedy, and then Humphrey loyally waited until LBJ withdrew.
	My point is, you can leave it very late, but I think the Democrats are starting to realize
	that they've got a terrible problem with this guy.
	I was one of those who thought that they were themselves warming up the Hunter Biden thing
	in order to...
	All right.
	Eric, come in with that audio.
	11.
	And then have all of Conrad's presidential books ready, and then I'll go straight to
	Okay, come with the Wiener audio?
	Yes, the second one.
	The second one.
	Yep, yep.
	Alrighty.
	20 seconds.
	I'll have all the books ready.
	What are you hearing, Sebastian?
	With regards to that, yeah.
	Look, every time they do something to him, he gets a bump in the poles.
	It's incredible.
	10 seconds.
	It's a double backflip.
	Yep, I'm stuck.
	I'm stuck.
	She'd send it to Anthony Weiner, the pervert.
	By the way, isn't that incredible?
	As the press uses the phrase, the buried lead in the feloniously leaked recordings is what President Trump says.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Hillary wouldn't just print out classified documents.
	She'd send them as emails on an unsecured server to perverts like Anthony Weiner who were being investigated by the NYPD for sexting underage girls.
	That's a real story, nothing else.
	Let's ask the man who's written numerous books of presidential history.
	The most recent is, of course, Donald J. Trump, a president like no other.
	But he's also written books on Roosevelt, champion of freedom, and Richard Milhouse Nixon, a life in full.
	Your reaction to this?
	I mean, look, here's the interesting thing.
	As we were saying in the break, you used the phrase double backfire.
	It looks as if this is another nothing burger.
	However, at the same time, the establishment legacy media finally, after about six years, is waking up to the Hunter Biden story.
	Not only Hunter, but the whole family.
	The big guy.
	I mean, I'm sitting here with my father.
	He texts or emails the men in China.
	I mean, I think the double backfire is they're sort of ace in the hole, ace up their sleeve.
	Was indictments, you know, just order this political puppet of an attorney general to indict Trump.
	But under their leadership and the perversion of the justice system under Obama and, you know, the last stages of the Obama administration, the country has come to be so suspicious and disrespectful of the Justice Department and the FBI.
	That a spurious indictment like this, you know, here they're asking 400 years in prison because of a nonsense that you just played, you know, a minute ago.
	It's backfired.
	And as far as I can see, Trump has actually gone up in the polls, so they can indict him all they want.
	They're just helping him.
	The country doesn't believe it.
	The other part of the backfire is Biden is coming apart at the seams on the whole influence peddling issue.
	And the left-wing media are starting to desert him.
	I never watched Chuck Todd, but I happened to see him really fulminating about how bad this was.
	I would have thought that you could You know, you'd have to waterboard him before he'd say anything negative about Biden.
	Well, to hear CNN actually read the text of the encrypted WhatsApp message that Hunter Biden was sending to the Chinese official about, make sure you send that wire transfer now because my dad's sitting next to me, the fact that CNN read that onto the record just hours after my Newsmax colleagues James Rosen had well I mean just the the fortitude to read it to the White House in the press briefing room is I think a sea change.
	However what does it mean?
	We have the reports on confirmed Conrad that The Bidens were huddling at Camp David over the weekend with their attorneys trying to strategize a response to the ever-increasing Hunter Biden scandal.
	What happens next?
	You know presidential politics here in America.
	Does Kamala come in to pick up the pieces?
	Will they have a primary?
	What do you forecast as a possible scenario?
	Well, I guess they're going to try one more time to shut the whole thing down and close it off.
	Although, as I understand it, the Speaker has said that Jim Jordan's committee, I think, is calling for the whistleblower to testify, which he's happy to do.
	And if the committee judges that he is credible, I understand now, maybe I misheard, but I thought, he didn't exactly say this, but he came very close, I thought, Speaker McCarthy to saying that they would institute impeachment proceedings.
	Now, if that happens, I guess they have to stick with it while it's going on and they'll vote it down in the Senate, but I have to question whether Joe Biden would, at that point, be a viable candidate for re-election.
	But then what are the options open to the Democrats, Conrad?
	Why, what they have to do is, what are called in English politics, as you would know, the men in grey suits.
	They sort of, you know, the sober party grandees call upon, it was in the latter Nixon era, called the long row of limousines going to the White House.
	And they go in and say, look, sorry old boy, but you've got to go.
	So he, you know, patches together some sort of statement that My doctors tell me I really shouldn't try for another term or something.
	Spend time with the family.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Time with the family.
	Prized family as it is.
	And wealthy family as it is.
	And then it becomes a question of the party bosses knocking down Kamala.
	Now, I think they can do it.
	I mean, she bombed out so badly the last time that she didn't even get to the primary.
	Well, she did get almost 2%.
	Yeah, there you go.
	But I think what they have to do is gather immediately around an alternative, and so their task then is to build a person practically unknown to the public.
	But can they just anoint somebody when you have the likes of Robert Kennedy Jr.
	garnering 19% already?
	Well, I think if they ran, for argument's sake, Newsom.
	Now, I can't bear the man personally, but if they ran him, I think Robert Kennedy's numbers would come down.
	But I think that's more an expression of reservations about Biden than it is enthusiasm for RFK Jr.
	I mean, here's a guy who thinks that his father and his uncle were murdered by the CIA.
	In the end, you just can't nominate someone like that.
	But I mean, that's really cuckoo land.
	But I think what happens is, at that point, You know, Newsom and perhaps the governor of Pennsylvania, the governor of New Jersey, Sherrod Brown from Ohio, maybe even Bennett from Colorado.
	These people come, you know, storming out of the undergrowth, running for president.
	And then you do get primaries, and you take it from there.
	And in that case, do you think it's... Just remember, Sebastian, in 1968, President Johnson withdrew on March 31st of election year.
	And then Hubert Humphrey entered and you had a ding-dong battle between Humphrey and Robert Kennedy until Robert Kennedy was murdered.
	It was Gene McCarthy and Humphrey.
	With that terrible shambles of a convention, Humphrey still came very close to winning.
	So, and your expectation, what do you think, like 50-50 right now that it will not be the current incumbent running?
	Well, it's a very hazardous bet, but if I had to make it, that's about what I would say, yeah.
	Yeah, I concur.
	I think you're absolutely right.
	I mean, I've never heard of someone being re-nominated with approval numbers as low as his, and no clear center of support.
	It's not as if he's strong in one particular area, but has problems in others.
	I mean, whether it's the economy, immigration, foreign policy, whatever, He bombs out.
	Now the one thing that could help him a bit is if the Ukraine situation looks much better quite quickly.
	But that could be counterbalanced by the domestic economic situation getting worse.
	It would, but it might look like a bit of a win for Biden.
	To be fair, it would be.
	We're out of time.
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	I just don't understand how a man who is so deficient in the polls has such confidence.
	And I'm assounded that that group of, that vast group of mouthy Democrats who pack the media and so on have stuck with them as long as they have.
	Yeah, stunning.
	But it looks like it's coming apart now.
	Stunning.
	But with all that said, I still think they've got a terribly difficult time winning the next election.
	I mean, they will have to justify what they've done in this term.
	Yeah, God willing.
	God willing.
	And if it's Newsom, I mean, he's got a terrible record in California.
	Just the idea that he wants to run, I mean, we just have to point at California.
	Exactly.
	And at him, I mean, he's sort of...
	I don't want to be unkind, there's nothing wrong with his appearance, but he's such an overconfident looking and sounding person.
	To see him, if you didn't know what his job was.
	Well, just a typical, you know, newscast politician.
	You know, the hair, the teeth.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, the gel and all that.
	I mean, if you met the guy at an airport or something and talked to him, you'd think, well, here's a very competent, confident guy doing a good job of whatever he does.
	I mean, you wouldn't think that he was sitting on top of just a disaster.
	A huge disaster zone.
	Crazy times.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	God bless.
	Bye bye. Bye bye. Where's Jeff?
	Apparently he has left a little bit early, but he screened the callers before he left, or at least the ones who were still on there.
	And, um, yeah, John, you have the Skype address for our...
	Yep, we've got the Skype ready for Deborah in the D segment.
	Oh, that's right, he has to get his wife to the airport.
	That's what it was.
	Okay, title for Lord Black?
	Um...
	90 seconds.
	The media's turning on the Bidens.
	Mm-hmm.
	you This guy freaks me out, because this guy so looks like Orbán, the Prime Minister of Hungary.
	Whenever I see this guy, I'm like, what's he doing?
	I've actually got a piece in the pipeline now for AG on RFK Jr., where I argue that, of course, I point out the things you pointed out, that he says, like, oh, he wants to jail people, don't believe in global warming.
	But I say the most valuable lesson he'll teach at the end of the day is, Even though he has no chance of beating Biden, they're still going to steal it from him anyway, in that, you've heard the whole kerfuffle with the calendar, like, they want to move South Carolina and Georgia up front, and the Iowa-New Hampshire Democrats are saying, no, screw you guys, we still want to be first.
	And now he's going to be on, Biden has said he'll stay off the ballot in those states out of solidarity with the black majority states, so the DNC has now said, well, if RFK Jr.
	wins those states, we'll just reduce their delegate totals.
	So I'm like, they're gonna rig it against a guy who's not gonna win anyway.
	It's not like this is Bernie Sanders.
	They are so bent.
	So bad.
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	Sandra, welcome to America First.
	Dr. Gorka, thank you for taking my call, sir.
	I wanted to share a new sticker I had on my car.
	Yeah.
	I also have a question.
	I have a question also for you.
	Did you hear anything about McCarthy saying that they were going to expunge the impeachment?
	Yes.
	Are they going to go forward with that?
	All I heard was one news report last week about McCarthy potentially expunging the impeachment vote from the records of the House.
	I haven't heard any confirmation since that report last week, Sandra.
	Okay, alright.
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	Alright, let's go to Matt in North Carolina.
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	No, well, I do, but they look like cigarettes, but yes, they're technically cigars.
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	My company, I'm vice president.
	But is it a cigar or a cigarette?
	It says cigars, but... But is it mentholated?
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	That's interesting.
	I recognize your voice.
	It's a little bit deeper than usual, man.
	Don't worry, I'm not doing it on purpose.
	I called you to tell you some real good stuff.
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	And you were getting livid.
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	But it's entertaining, you get to hear the behind the scenes stuff, like our Rumble viewers, right?
	Yes, well, I was on a hole, like we are, I just was.
	And this guy's made you so mad, I thought it's a bad time to talk to Sebastian.
	I told your mood right around there.
	Real good mood!
	I don't carry it over.
	If some idiot phones up, we deal with him in the break like it's the loser who's actually waiting on line three right now.
	We're going to have fun with him in the break as well.
	Because that's what we do.
	But when good buddies phone in like you, Matt, or Brent, or Judy, or deep voice Dave, or Phil from Philly, all of these people, Antoinette, you know, these people just cheer me up.
	You know, our buddy from the tall grass, everybody.
	I can't be mad at you guys just because idiots tune into the show.
	I never thought that, Sebastian, but I also ordered a I stand for 45 Trump Just last week, my computer expert lady, I told Jeff.
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	I'm so excited to hear from this next guest.
	Why?
	Well, because I've been telling you for years right now that it's up to us.
	We need to take back America.
	As the Democrats said in the 1990s, all politics is local.
	It's cool.
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	It's cool to work in the White House.
	It's cool to be a president or a congressman or a senator.
	But where America is, is that local politics.
	And you need to get involved.
	One person who's doing that right now in the Commonwealth of Virginia is Deborah Tisler, candidate for the Springfield District of the Fairfax County Public School Board, and she's with us right now.
	Deborah, welcome to America First!
	Thank you very much for having me on tonight, today.
	So why are you doing this crazy thing?
	Politics is disgusting.
	The left wants to destroy anybody who stands up to them for the truth.
	So why have you taken this decision to run for the local county school board in Springfield?
	There's really no choice left.
	We have to do it.
	We have to stand up and take back our school boards.
	It's heading into a completely tragic direction right now for our kids.
	We have to fight.
	So what was the thing that took you over the edge because, you know, you didn't do this five years ago, you didn't do this 10 years ago, you decided to do it now.
	Was there some moment where you said, okay, that's it.
	I'm running.
	Well, they crossed the line with the excessive amounts of, uh, you know, leftist agenda and politicking that they've placed into the schools.
	And when I tried to find out what they were doing with our money that was supposed to be going to the children and I placed a FOIA, they sued me.
	Fairfax County Public Schools School Board sued me and tried to claw back the FOIA documents that I was able to obtain legally and wanted to inform the public, rightfully so, under transparency of what they were doing.
	So when they started acting more and more like that dystopia, I said, enough's enough.
	I'm going to run and try to save the kids and save what they have left.
	And what would your plan be?
	So, it's DEBRA4SCHOOLBOARD.COM.
	That's D-E-B-R-A, DEBRA4SCHOOLBOARD.COM.
	Let me tell you a story of my experience.
	So, my wife ran for local office.
	She won two months ago.
	So, you know, you're doing exactly what I tell everybody they should do.
	When we moved here 15 years ago, in our county, In our district of Virginia, there were nine members of the school board.
	Every single one of them was a radical Democrat, and not one of them actually had a child in the public school system of the county.
	How bad is the situation in Springfield?
	It's really bad.
	You know, the current school board member is now using the children to launch herself into a seat in the General Assembly.
	And the person that she's endorsing is just another copycat of her as far as what she plans is to continue forth with that same political agenda that the current school board member has.
	There's no focus on helping these kids learn to read.
	It's all about what is our next step to flavor ourselves politically.
	All right, so what is your message to those around you who say that, you know, there's no point, they've taken everything, they're in control and they're radicals.
	You're speaking to about three and a half million people across the country, a lot of them here around the swamp, around DC, Northern Virginia, Maryland.
	What do you say to those who say, there's no point, I can't make a difference, or politics, not my thing?
	Oh no, you absolutely can.
	You have to show up to their working sessions at these school board meetings.
	I just left one now where it was two hours of bureaucratic self-gratification, another session for a plan to have a plan, and you need to show up.
	When they see you walking into the room as a participating member of the public and as a citizen, they do take notice.
	So we have to show up.
	We have to fight back.
	If not, I mean, what's the choice?
	We're just going to give up our country?
	We have to start at the local level and we can't complain that the federal government has too much overreach and this and that.
	It has to start at the local level and we have to show up and do what we have to do.
	And I am of the contention, Deborah, that when it comes to the election of the Governor of Virginia, it was really people like you, it was the Mama Bears, who were putting pressure on the Democrats, who were going to the school board meetings, who were pushing back, and there was that moment just eight days before the election where Terry McAuliffe said in a debate, Of course parents shouldn't have an influence on their children's teachings and what they're learning in school.
	When that sentence was uttered and the Youngkin campaign turned it into a social media post, that's when the campaign turned.
	Do you agree with me that it's It's a moment in time right now where the tide is turning, and that's why it's all the more important for people to get engaged.
	Absolutely.
	And I'm seeing it.
	I'm out there in the community talking to, you know, a wide spectrum politically, left to right.
	And, you know, the majority of the parents want their kids to be able to read and write and do math and to access rigorous curriculum and to receive the education that they're paying for in their tax dollars.
	And I'm also hearing a lot of voice on, you know, people want school choice as well.
	So it's there and we need to show up and we need to make our voices known.
	And that's the only way it's going to happen.
	Well, God bless you for doing what you do.
	We have been talking to Deborah Tisler.
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	People don't like him, and that's been proven to be the case.
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	It's a good question, isn't it?
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	Brent, Los Angeles.
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	Thank you.
	Did you like my brimstone on fire earlier?
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	you you
	you I have another New York Times reporter calling about my
	representation of the literally Dr. Patrick Oh the spy chief of China who started
	the company that my partner who was worth three hundred and twenty three
	billion dollars The richest man in the world is missing, who was my partner.
	Do you recognize that voice?
	Most Americans should, because it's the son of the current incumbent in the White House, that's Hunter Biden, who had a strange proclivity, let's just say it's not the best tradecraft, to record his phone conversations on his laptops, plural, before dropping them off to be fixed because they had water damage at a certain repair shop in Delaware.
	And in that one, yeah, it's him.
	Talking about, quote, I have to edit it for federal broadcast reasons, me being in business with the effing chief spy of China.
	How is that possible?
	And what does it mean for the vulnerability of the security of our nation?
	I can think of few better to discuss that with than a man who, well, let's just say he knows a thing or two about counterintelligence.
	He's the head of research and investigations for the superlative organization Judicial Watch, and he's in studio one-on-one.
	Chris Farrell, thank you for coming in.
	Great to be with you, Seb.
	Thank you very much.
	Now, as we were joking, laughing before we went on air, it's hard to keep up with all the scandals surrounding the Biden family.
	So let's just do a one-on-one.
	Let's walk people through the basics of intelligence, vulnerability as an American citizen, the clearance system, because, you know, This isn't all Tom Clancy.
	There's actually some things that you should understand.
	But before we do that, for those, I'm sure everybody knows Judicial Watch.
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	Chris, tell us a little bit about your qualifications.
	What did you do in uniform in the U.S.
	government?
	Sure.
	So I was commissioned as a military intelligence officer long ago, 40 years ago.
	Oh my gosh, you started when you were 10, right?
	1983.
	And my specialty within military intelligence was as a counterintelligence officer.
	Explain the difference between intelligence and CI.
	So intelligence is the collection of information.
	Counterintelligence is the effort to identify those organizations, those countries trying to spy against us and then stopping it.
	And there's a few different ways to stop it.
	Stop it or to misdirect it as well, right?
	You can misdirect it, you can double them back, there's all kinds of ways to protect, but it's protective intelligence work.
	Defending our secrets.
	Trying to defend our secrets, our installations, our troops, all those sorts of things.
	All right, so let's start with the basics.
	There's a form you and I filled in many times called an SF-86, which is a background form.
	If you're going to get a clearance, if you're going to be handling classified information, you have to fill out this form.
	Mine, because I was born abroad and because I have relatives who are outside the country, and you have to list them and all your friends who live outside of America.
	In the White House, my last SF-86 was 74 pages long.
	Right, because you have to you have to add bits.
	Oh, do you have a cousin in England?
	Yes.
	OK, well, give us his details.
	It tends to expand.
	What what are they looking for?
	Why do you have to list people you know who are related to on a form to handle classified information?
	So it's a statement of personal history.
	That's what the form is actually called.
	And the reason why is to identify situations Where you may be involved in foreign contact or control.
	Not that you're willingly doing that, not that you're, you know, acting on the behalf of a foreign power, but that there may be instances where pressure could be brought to bear, or you may be influenced, or you may, you know, if your beloved mother is back behind the old days, you know, in the Iron Curtain, Or you have a relative today in Iran.
	Correct.
	Right?
	Or the PRC.
	You know, can pressure be brought to bear?
	Can you be influenced?
	Can you be... So we're just trying to identify vulnerabilities or instances where there'd be cross-purposes or pressure or blackmail.
	Potential pressure.
	Right.
	And it doesn't have to... Not that anybody's guilty, but there just has to be an awareness of it.
	And in the course of doing those sort of interviews and reviews, personnel security investigations or PSI, when people are doing that, you're trying to identify all the facts and get it all down so there's no surprises.
	But then also sometimes you bump up against something and the person you're investigating is clearly lying.
	Which raises another whole question.
	Why are you lying about your foreign contact, foreign travel, foreign investments, foreign control?
	Because that becomes an issue.
	So these are all the things that are considered when it comes to personal security investigations.
	But also, I had to talk about my finances, I had to talk about my income, I had to actually talk about You know, money I give to other people.
	I have a handicapped friend in England and I give him money now and again to supplement his income.
	I had to declare that.
	And then you have to answer questions like, have you ever taken drugs?
	Why do you have to give financial details and details about personal drug use?
	Again, explain the logic.
	So the acronym back in the dark ages was called LIDMAC, and it was loyalty, integrity, drugs.
	It had to do with all those sorts of questions about... Hang on, you actually looked at integrity in Washington, D.C.?
	Believe it or not, that was the thing.
	And then finances, like you said, because you're trying to understand this person.
	You want to get... I mean, look, you can look at... Let's say you're a 40-year-old person new to government.
	You had a previous career.
	You decided you want to join government.
	When you were 18 years old, the subject, this person, had a DUI.
	Well, now they're 40.
	Is that the same person?
	Well, the simple answer is yes.
	But from 18 to 40, people have a tendency to kind of turn their lives around and straighten things up.
	So an 18 year old knucklehead move, Is not the person who then went on, cleaned his life up, got committed, you know, went to university, got a degree, started a family.
	It's a different character.
	You can't ignore the 18 year old knucklehead move, but you have to put it in perspective.
	And so that's the other part of this, is that there's an adjudication process where you look at the whole person and you evaluate all the facts.
	But that's why you ask sort of unpleasant questions about various details of someone's life, because you're trying to get the full picture.
	And once again, there's always a question mark when deception is indicated.
	Some people are polygraphed based upon their Position and again the issue isn't isn't that they're not believed It's that are they are the entirely forthcoming and truthful or is there some element that's either being held back or deliberately lied about
	You want to look at the whole person and get a clear view, so that's... Say, hypothetically, there's an individual who is meant to get access at the highest level, so we're talking about top-secret SCI, so sensitive information, codenamed information, SAP, special access program, the highest level.
	And say that individual has a son who is known to be collaborating in business with The head of an inimical intelligence agency.
	Right.
	Who actually has been recorded saying, I'm in business with the chief spy of this communist country.
	What would happen to the person's father?
	Would that be an issue?
	Or would that just be ignored?
	It would be an enormous issue.
	And it's not something that can easily be talked away.
	In fact, that contact and that relationship all by itself would be opened up as a counterespionage investigation.
	Simply because a U.S.
	person is dealing with a communist spy?
	Because of the circumstances you described, it would be a counterespionage investigation, perhaps an operation, might even be worked on or looked at offensively, but it would merit special scrutiny and would not be shrugged off as, oh well, I don't know.
	And so, to take your example one step further, when Hunter Biden flies on 411 flights with his father to 26 different countries, and five of those foreign flights or foreign trips, out of the 26, five of them are to China, one could reasonably assume that there's some level of interest in business dealings, et cetera, that would demand all sorts of scrutiny and investigation.
	And I presume that, and this has been confirmed, when the then Vice President Sun tells his Secret Service detail, I don't need you to accompany me tonight in my meetings in Beijing, that would also kind of raise an eyebrow.
	Enormously so.
	The Secret Service would note that and... Would file that away for further... They'd also object rigorously and say, that's a wonderful sentiment that you have, but you're not going to change our mission?
	It's not happening.
	Right.
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	Alright, so we've established that having a close relative who's in business with spies in communist China,
	videoing himself having sex with multiple Russian prostitutes and smoking crack cocaine on camera,
	would be a problem for any government employee.
	Any?
	Any.
	period. Good. All right. Let's talk then about the recent news about Hunter Biden.
	Sure. Allegedly, at the weekend at Camp David, the Bidens, Hunter and his father,
	were huddled with their attorneys, apparently, to discuss their strategy for dealing with
	the impending execution of this sweetheart deal.
	In 2018, Hunter Biden failed to pay $1.2 million worth of tax.
	As a result, the IRS investigated him for five years.
	Apparently, the head of that investigation was stymied on numerous occasions by the DOJ to go further into Hunter Biden's background.
	My sources at DOJ said he actually didn't pay taxes for eight years.
	Not two, but eight years.
	And six of those were hush-hushed and swept under the carpet.
	And then secondly, the lying with regards to drug addiction on a federal background check for the purchase of a handgun, which has landed other people in prison for up to four years.
	Hunter Biden apparently will be given a sweetheart deal.
	My argument is That's pretty bloody outrageous, especially if you're Wesley Snipes and you went to prison for three years for tax evasion.
	So, you know, this different justice for those who are called Biden.
	For me, the bigger story is, and give me your reaction, what's not being discussed?
	It's the relations to China.
	It's the money from Russia.
	It's the money from Ukraine.
	Why does the corrupt mayor of Moscow's widow just drop three million dollars on Hunter Biden?
	Why are Chinese businessmen gifting him literally diamonds for what purpose?
	And how does he get a no-show job In Ukraine, for $80,000 a month when he has no background in Eastern Europe or energy, as Chris Plant says, the power of the media, the greatest power is not to discuss a story.
	Isn't that what we should be talking about?
	Not the gun charges and not the taxes?
	Yeah, I mean, non-stop that's what should be discussed.
	The advantage that the tax story and the gun story have is that A federal prosecutor has actually made a case, however pathetic it is, and it's going to be brought before a judge.
	Now here's the important thing everyone forgets.
	The judge isn't obligated to accept any kind of deal.
	So he can say, I don't care what the DOJ said.
	Correct.
	The law's the law.
	The judge can say, well, that's lovely that you folks have worked this out together.
	I don't accept it.
	So go back and try again, or issue some other order.
	But they're not obligated to accept it.
	And so the judge is not a potted plant.
	I believe it's a female judge who is going to hear this.
	I think it's July 26, I believe, is the date.
	I can't swear to that, but that's what I recall.
	So, I mean, there's a lot of time between now and July 26th and the, hopefully, you know, a relentless drumbeat, even in the alternative media or podcasts or the web or Twitter or, you know, not the alphabet soup of kind of legacy media, not the New York Times or the Washington Post, although even they, even CNN, has been compelled to admit some of these facts.
	If there's enough of a drumbeat for essentially the next month or next three weeks, Maybe it doesn't turn out the way they think that they have it all lined up.
	How significant is it that, you said the alphabet soup of legacy media, that God bless my Newsmax colleague James Rosen, who in the White House on Friday read out, as a result of the court case, this Encrypted WhatsApp message to this Chinese businessman in which Hunter Biden said, and the wording is so corrupt, instead of saying, why haven't you sent the wire?
	He said, why haven't you made good on your commitment?
	I mean, this deliberate obfuscation, your commitment.
	I mean, what do you mean commitment?
	Pay me the money!
	And my dad's sitting next to me.
	You know who my dad is, right?
	And you better respond now.
	The fact, I mean, you've been fighting corruption in this city.
	And the mainstream media is covering for corruption.
	Are you surprised that now, as you said, even CNN read the text of that message live on air?
	Isn't that interesting?
	Yeah, and because it's like a bad James Tarantino movie, right?
	They're all bad.
	Yeah, but in particular, you know, with the kind of third-rate mobsters trying to play tough guy, you know?
	And who knows if daddy was sitting next to him or not.
	You know, and is whacked out, crack-induced, whatever.
	He could be just trying to throw his father's name around.
	It doesn't matter.
	That's the whole point.
	The essence of the threat is there, and it's meant as either an inducement or, you know, a stick.
	But, you know, there comes a point where the gag reflex kicks in, and even CNN can't stomach the level of insanity that goes on.
	And Hunter Biden is not a sympathetic character.
	He's not, you know, he's misunderstood.
	You just don't understand.
	I mean, there's been enough that's been pushed out over, whether it's, you know, Twitter or the internet or the crazy pictures with the hookers.
	Yes.
	And even more offensive with what appears to be little girls.
	Little girls, yeah.
	I mean, really sick, twisted stuff.
	Right.
	No one cares about Hunter Biden.
	No one.
	But, as you said, there's a long time until the end of July.
	Yeah.
	But given what we've witnessed in the last six years, do you have any expectation that the judge will say, sorry, time to throw the book at you?
	I'm not sure what the judge is going to do or not do, but at a certain point, I mean, the judge does have latitude.
	And just because this guy in Delaware, Weiss, has cooked up some diversion programs so he's not really a felon, even though he actually already was convicted, I think in 88 or 89, he had a felony conviction for something.
	So it isn't like he's a first time offender.
	He's had other serious legal issues.
	So he's not eligible for a diversion program.
	Again, they can dream up whatever agreement they want, but the judge is not compelled.
	You will remember very famously that Judge Emmet Sullivan refused to accept the plea deal of General Michael Flynn.
	Yes, correct.
	Do you remember that?
	Emmet Sullivan spent months trying to torture Mike Flynn.
	Call him a traitor in court and then try to apologize the same day.
	Exactly.
	The last card hasn't been played.
	A man who, by the way, Mike Flynn served 32 years in uniform.
	He was called a traitor by the judge.
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	All right, let's do a one-on-one on national security again when it comes to the classification and the handling of documents that are sensitive.
	The Mar-a-Lago raid, for many reasons, is an outrage, especially if you understand that when the DOJ was there, prior to the raid, the President's attorney said, Do you need anything else?
	Is there anything else we can provide for you?
	And the officers of the DOJ said, No, everything's fine.
	Upgrade that lock on that door, and we are good.
	And the president himself came into the room and assured them, anything you guys need, we'll take care of it.
	You let us know what you want and you'll have our full cooperation.
	And they upgraded the lock?
	Correct.
	And then they came back and they raided the house?
	Correct.
	With armed agents.
	So let's start with that.
	But let's compare it and contrast it with why what Joe Biden did with his records at the Penn State, at his office here, in his garage, with
	documents from when he was a senator.
	Correct.
	Why that is incomparable to anything President Trump may or may not have done.
	So let's go to what the legal standard is, and that happens to have been established
	thanks to the work of Judicial Watch.
	And that has to do with the Presidential Records Act.
	So, about 12 years ago, we sued the National Archives to obtain recordings, audio recordings, that Bill Clinton had made with a historian by the name of Taylor Branch.
	Taylor Branch did an oral history of Clinton's time as president.
	Hours and hours of interviews on tape.
	80 some odd meetings, hours, classified, unclassified, foreign affairs, domestic, blah, blah, blah, everything.
	Clinton took his tapes and left the White House and went off into retirement and he literally stuck them in a sock drawer.
	That's why it's called the soldier of case.
	Hence why.
	So we thought, hey, those are interesting.
	Let's sue and try to get them.
	And so we sued under the Presidential Records Act because that's the governing legal authority for ex-presidents' papers and documents.
	Which is not a criminal act.
	It is a civil statute.
	It's an administrative thing on how to deal with presidential papers.
	Records handling.
	So, we went to court, and I'm sad to report that we lost.
	But I am proud to say that in our loss, Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who is the sitting judge on the case, said a couple of very important things.
	First of all, the President, when he leaves office, can take anything he wants, and that ability to take whatever he wants is unreviewable.
	Meaning no one can come running in and say, oh wait a minute, you can't do this, you have to... No, he gets to take whatever he wants when he leaves office, unreviewable.
	It's like the pardon authority.
	The president can pardon whoever he wants and if you don't like it, tough.
	Doesn't work that way.
	So let's be clear, let's put it in English the first thing.
	Anything generated during that president's tenure, he gets to determine whether he takes it home.
	And realize the entire classified information system that we have out there, all the alphabet soup agencies, all the activities, the whole reason it exists is to support the president's decision-making ability.
	So he has absolute authority to classify and declassify whatever he wants.
	Jimmy Carter got up in 1974 or whatever and said in Miami, oh by the way, we have overhead imagery systems that can look at, he revealed a classified satellite and he said it in a public speech in Miami.
	So the president can do whatever he wants.
	You can't, before we go to the second point in a moment.
	This is so crucial that a president, there is no appeal to that because the system exists to help him make decisions.
	If he's in a room with Gorbachev or Putin privately and he's trying to achieve some deal to ban nuclear weapons like Reagan was in Reykjavik with Gorbachev, He can, as part of negotiating tactics, say, okay, this is exactly the weapons we have on our subs, I'm telling you right now, and I want you to tell me what yours are.
	And then we'll shake our hands and we'll get rid of all of them.
	And he could also say, and I have imagery and signals intelligence that proves to me that you're lying.
	Right.
	That is in his purview.
	But he can use that as a negotiator.
	Right.
	And there's no judge.
	There's no director of an agency can say, you committed a crime.
	No, he didn't because he's the president.
	No dumpy lieutenant colonel.
	Oh, we'll talk about Vidman in a second.
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	Okay, sorry I interrupted you.
	The second point when it comes to presidential records and your case... Is that the National Archives and Congress are specifically prohibited From questioning, asking, inquiring, second-guessing, anything that the president decides to take as personal items.
	So the way I read that court case was that the president is the sole arbiter of what is personal to him and what he leaves for the government.
	Correct.
	End of story.
	That's it.
	Right.
	So how do we have this court case at all?
	I mean, day one, I think it's soon, the president's team should say, here, Judge, here's a copy of the 1978 Presidential Records Act.
	Would you care to read it?
	And here is the decision from Judge Amy Berman, saying it is the president's purview.
	End of court case?
	One would think so.
	I mean, what this all begins with According to the sort of origin mythology, is that the former archivist of the United States watched people carrying boxes out of the White House and he decided, aha, what are they taking?
	And decided to spin up this I mean, it's the same thing as Russia, Russia, Russia.
	It's an unfounded claim, but you make it and you keep repeating it, and then you smear everybody in sight, and you turn a big nothing into something that... The whole thing's built on a false premise.
	But if you keep saying it enough...
	That's what takes hold in the media.
	As fascists and communists have said a lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth.
	Chris, it's one thing to... I couldn't even imagine what it must have been like to be in the building and to have federal agents who are Carrying guns, raid your home while the Secret Service is having to stand down and the FBI tells your attorneys to step out of the building.
	They're not even allowed to watch them raid Melania's closet, which is what they did.
	So that's one thing that FBI agents executing clearly political orders is un-American horrific.
	But how about this?
	Let's just play this B-roll that went viral at the weekend.
	I think it was in Portland there were some I think they were proud boys and then some seeming undercover agents wanted to insert themselves as white extremists and they were wearing balaclavas with and all of them were wearing the same kind of government issue khaki pants which was a bit weird.
	They refused to take their balaclavas off to identify themselves as quote-unquote patriots And the others there said, you are not going to be agent provocateurs here.
	Tussled with them, ripped off their balaclavas, and two of them who lost their face coverings proceeded to cover their faces as if they had to hide their identity, which an average American patriot doesn't usually have to do.
	So, as a former, Badge-carrying, uniform-wearing officer who dealt with intelligence and counterintelligence.
	How do you react to the increasing number of stories where it seems as if officers of the government are attempting to provoke violence, whether it's January 6th or whether it's in this video from Sunday.
	Your reaction as an American?
	Yeah, it's horrific.
	This is really...
	It's the next step.
	There used to be a time when the FBI loved to go out and recruit, I'm going to be kind of coarse, morons, idiots.
	They would go out and find somebody who wasn't necessarily playing with a full deck, and they would recruit them, train them, equip them, give them intelligence, launch them, and then arrest them and go, oh, aren't we geniuses?
	Well, look, we found a terrorist.
	Correct.
	And they would do this all the time.
	Most recently, they did it with these Michigan militia people.
	Oh, the governor's kidnapping.
	Right.
	That entire thing was brought to you by the FBI.
	Twelve of the people were working for the FBI.
	And they had 14 people that they recruited.
	So the odds were...
	And they got convictions on it.
	Yes!
	Yes.
	State-level convictions on it.
	I think some of the guys shouldn't have had weapons.
	But the whole thing was cooked up by the FBI.
	This is the next layer.
	This is the next level.
	So you go out and you get either dupes or a few willing whatever.
	You put them in nearly uniforms.
	They're all black over khaki kind of look.
	Yeah.
	They had another time they had some kind of a protest up by the Capitol.
	Yes.
	Where they're running around with shields like Captain America shields they were carrying.
	And then the guys in shorts all in the same kind of government issue shorts and glasses.
	And they're always masked and they bang drums like Nazis and they march around.
	I have to believe this is some cooked up thing by some misguided...
	But the idea that you can't be a GS-12 and do this.
	Somebody on the 7th floor has to say, make a group of fake MAGA extremists, buy them a uniform and then send them to that event.
	This is a political decision.
	Absolutely.
	An effort to fabricate an extremist group that they can then smear any number of other people with.
	It's interesting to see this other group.
	I don't know who the other people were.
	I think they were Proud Boys.
	But whoever they were, they decided to yell at them.
	They shouted, Fed!
	Fed!
	Fed!
	Right.
	But this is the kind of mischief, even what we've seen, secretly, the government types, the FBI people that put them up to this, they even like that.
	They think it's great.
	Right.
	And that's why we have a Deputy Director of the FBI on Capitol Hill being incapable of answering the question, did you have undercover agents in the Capitol on January 6th?
	Being unwilling to answer the question.
	And of course Ray Epps, the man who was, you know, top ten most wanted for the FBI for about three weeks and then magically disappears off the FBI's most wanted list.
	It stinks and it's un-American.
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	I've only got time for maybe one or two more questions.
	Thank you so much, Chris, for everything that you do at Judicial Watch and for supporting the program as well.
	Sure.
	You've been doing this for decades.
	You said this is the anniversary of you becoming an officer.
	Forty years ago.
	A long time.
	Forty years ago.
	He started at the age of ten, I can confirm this.
	And then now you've been at Judicial Watch for... Twenty-four years.
	Twenty-four years.
	Look, we've seen bad things before.
	We've seen Fast and Furious.
	We've seen Lois Lerner targeting Tea Party patriots.
	On and on and on.
	Another Jack Smith operation.
	Another Jack Smith operation, yeah.
	I mean, the names are always the same.
	Weissman, Mueller, you know, all of these people.
	Monica, Lisa Monaco, these are all the same people.
	So we see this again and again and again.
	We see the left's propensity to use the state as a political weapon against their political adversaries.
	Isn't it qualitatively different now?
	If we start with Mike Flynn, then the raid on the President's house, haven't we reached a kind of crescendo point?
	Yeah, this is, we're at a new level of weirdness, really danger, because we saw this non-composementist President get up in front of Liberty Hall, and up in Philadelphia, Off of MAGA.
	really viciously attack MAGA Republicans and went on and on and on.
	And then he's gone a step further and he has attempted to, well he actually did, he had his political opponent
	arrested.
	Uh...
	and he's being charged criminally.
	So we have gone to a new layer.
	There's always corruption and there's always, you know, phonies and racketeers running around,
	but this is at a level that we have never seen before.
	This is stuff, if this was in a novel, you know, 20 years ago, and you read it, you put it down.
	Last question.
	My friend Dan Bongino has a theory which is quite compelling.
	That the depth of the corruption and the tools they're using, FBI, IRS and everything else, is really because it's not about Joe.
	It's about Obama.
	Because Obama was the president who was briefed on the Steele dossier.
	Obama was the person who was briefed about Hillary going to go after President Trump with a smear tactic.
	That the level of commitment to use political weapons of the state is not about Joe or Hunter, it's about Obama.
	What do you think of that?
	I think that Dan is 100% correct.
	That Obama is Teflon.
	He stays off the radar screen.
	When was the last time you heard Obama really make a big pronouncement about something?
	Nobody makes reference to him.
	He's kind of skating around the perimeter.
	He's never left Washington, D.C.
	Which presidents, they always leave.
	Always leave.
	He has never left Washington D.C.
	and like Dan has laid out quite compellingly, all the stuff we're talking about really starts under his watch.
	And he's the man who promised fundamental transformation and boy did he deliver.
	Yes, he did.
	Yes, he did.
	There's a peculiar situation we find ourselves in.
	We live in a time where the elite, from Obama to Biden, detest the nation they are in charge of.
	It's time to do something about that.
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	First thing you can do is to check out Judicial Watch and support this amazing organization.
	I want to thank you, Chris, for everything you do.
	Tom and your whole team.
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	I'm Sebastian Gorka, you've been listening to America First, one on one.

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