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Bye.
Playing sweet Georgie Brown.
What do you associate with that classic tune?
If you're a certain vintage, an excellent vintage, you associate it with a certain basketball team that I have seen play, yes, in person with my daughter, Julia.
Of course, it's the Harlem Globetrotters.
Especially with their mascot, Globie.
We salute you.
Why am I playing this music now?
You'll find out in a second.
It has to do with the second cut I have to play for you today.
We have an incredible show.
We always have an incredible show for you because that's why we're here.
But today we will be joined by none other than the 45th President of the United States, From Bedminster, and also a certain former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
It's quite a lineup.
You don't want to miss it.
But first, what happened on Capitol Hill yesterday with John Durham?
Well, at least one person told the truth about John Durham and the FBI.
No surprise!
From Florida, it's Congressman Matt Gaetz, cut 12.
Do you see how silly this looks?
Like you found the lawyer, you found the phones, but the actual dude who got ordered by Western intelligence to go start this thing you couldn't find?
It's kind of laughable.
It seems like more than disappointment.
It seems like you weren't really trying to expose the true core of the corruption.
That you were trying to go at it another way.
As we said in the report, and as I said in my opening remarks, we pursued the facts as best we could.
How about this fact, Mr. Durham?
The entire Mueller team does a hard reset on their Apple phone, in synchronization, to wipe away evidence.
Did you investigate that?
I've read that.
Why didn't, did you investigate it?
Who gave the order on the Mueller team to wipe the phones?
Yeah, that was not something that we were asked to look at, and we didn't look at that.
That's not true, Mr. Durham.
That is not true, because I'm holding the document that authorizes your activity, and it specifically says, the investigation of Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
It's imperative, Mr. Chairman, I seek unanimous consent to enter into the record the order that says that you're supposed to investigate these things.
And so like, whether it's the Mueller team, Mifsud, how about Azra Turk?
Azra Turk, what's Azra Turk's real name?
Do you know that?
I'm not going to be disclosing the names of FBI personnel that are otherwise unavailable.
So the FBI sent somebody to go honeypot George Papadopoulos.
Who gave the order to do that?
I think that's beyond the scope of what's in the report.
It's literally the scope of what your charging order is!
Who put it in motion?
We get, after it was put in motion, the FBI did a bunch of wrong and corrupt things.
Totally understand, we're trying to deal with that.
But when you are part of the cover-up, Mr. Durham, then it makes our job harder.
Part of the cover-up?
God bless Matt Gaetz.
I wanted him on the show today, along with President Trump and Newt Gingrich, but he's sitting in a room right now listening to Prime Minister Modi of India, so he couldn't join us.
But do you understand what he just revealed?
John Durham was charged with investigating the fake Russia collusion probe, including the Mueller probe.
And the whole Mueller team on one day in a synchronized action does a full delete on all of their cell phones?
Why do you do that?
Why would a whole investigative team delete all of the team members' phones?
Well, to hide evidence.
Azra Turk!
God bless Chris Plant.
He's been talking about Azra Turk for the last six years.
Azra Turk is the quote-unquote FBI researcher.
There's no such post in the FBI.
Doesn't exist.
Trust me.
I've worked long enough with the FBI.
You're either a special agent, you're either an intelligence analyst, an IA, or an SOS support staff member.
Period.
End of story.
Or maybe the janitor.
Okay?
But you're not a researcher.
Azra Turk, fake name, not real, introduces herself to George Papadopoulos in London, pretty girl, and tries to honeypot him, seduce him to reveal some spurious connections between the Trump campaign and Russia, which didn't exist, therefore Papadopoulos couldn't reveal them.
But John Durham?
Doesn't want to talk about her?
I'm not going to reveal the identity of an FBI employee!
Oh, so she is an FBI employee under a fake name!
Wow!
And you're charged by the Attorney General to investigate how the whole Russia collusion hoax predicated on the smear campaign of Hillary Clinton came to be, but you're not going to reveal the real identity of the honeypot who was sent to a no-name, low-level Trump advisor in London who paid For God's sake!
Who paid for an FBI agent under a false identity to travel to London to hang out with George Papadopoulos?
Oh, uh, not part of my man— Wrong!
Matt Gaetz held up your charging sheet.
What you were authorized, mandated, required to do.
If you haven't seen the video, I'm going to post the video after the show.
Look at John Durham's face.
He's got that stupid beard, that triangular beard.
Doesn't hide the deep swallows.
I'm in trouble now.
Matt Gaetz has grabbed me by the shortened curlies.
Yeah, he's got you.
You are the deep state.
He's right.
You are part of the cover-up, John Durham.
Can I get in a better mood?
I'm going to go ahead and close the video.
Harlem Globetrotters.
Why do we open with that?
It's a cool song, right?
Well, it's got to do with the Washington generals.
You have to play the Harlem Globetrotters every night and get beaten.
What has that got to do with anything?
Just listen to Matt Gaetz, cut 13.
Bindsmith is back to practicing law in Washington, D.C.
today.
That's beyond my control.
Right, but the fact that you allowed that plea to occur, right, and then the punishment
was insufficient.
The fact that you didn't charge Andrew McCabe, you didn't convict the Lion Democrats or the Lion Russians, you didn't investigate Mifsud or the Mueller probe, even though, as we sit here today in black letter, that was your charge.
Have you ever heard of the Washington generals?
The Washington generals?
Yes.
And they're the team that basically gets paid to show up and lose, right?
Well, you know, I'm sure that the players who exert blood, sweat, and tears don't view it that way, but you might.
I think they do.
I think they do, because the job of the Washington generals is to show up every night and to play the Harlem Globetrotters.
And their job is to lose.
I'm sorry, I was thinking of a different thing.
Yeah, so their job is to lose.
And I'm kind of wondering, and it just seems so facially obvious, that it's not what's in your report that's telling.
It's the omission.
It's the lack of work you did.
And for the people, like the chairman, who put trust in you, I think you let them down.
I think you let the country down.
And you are one of the barriers to the true accountability that we need.
Do I get to respond to that or comment on that?
Yeah.
Well, I don't know if you've ever investigated a crime.
I don't know that you have.
You didn't investigate these, Mr. Durham.
God, what an arrogant pile of crap.
I don't know if you've investigated a crime.
Well, you bloody well didn't for five years.
Yeah, Clinesmith, junior DOJ lawyer, gets a fine in community service and he's already back in the DC bar.
Yes, but you didn't even have the balls To interview Comey, Stroke or McCabe.
You didn't investigate anything.
Five years, millions of dollars.
You're a cover-up con man, John Durham.
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🎵 Alrighty, mic's on.
Give me eight, nine...
Eight, nine...
But John Durham did not reveal anything new.
In fact, my reading of the report, particularly those aspects that I have first-hand knowledge about, I think he did intentionally misrepresent and skew his findings in order to support the basic premise of his investigation, which was what Bill Barr and Donald Trump wanted was to try to discredit the investigation that was underway into the 2016 presidential election interference.
I do want to go back to Hunter Biden, though, because what we always hear from these insurrectionists and these weirdos and these freaks is that there's there are crimes out there.
They can never name a crime.
And then they say the media is covering up.
The deep state is covering it up, you know, covering up what?
I can show you New Yorker articles from twenty nineteen that laid bare not just what Hunter Biden did, but what Biden's family has done through the years.
Not illegal, perhaps unethical.
Disconnected.
Okay.
Hey, can you guys hear me?
Yes, gotcha buddy.
What's going on, Dr. G?
Oh, crazy, crazy, crazy.
We're gonna have President Trump on in the next hour and then you, Gingrich, you're in good company.
Oh my god, that's amazing.
Yep, yep.
I'll give my best to the President.
Shall do, shall do.
Yep.
Alright, can you play Cut 5?
Five.
Today we are on the floor of the House where the other side has turned this chamber, where slavery was abolished, where Medicare and Social Security and everything were instituted, they've turned it into a puppet show.
A puppet show.
And you know what?
The puppeteer, Donald Trump, is shining a light on the strings.
You look miserable.
Should we just compare Medicare and Social Security to slavery?
When was that, Jeff?
Yesterday after this.
Either before or after the shift.
She looks awful.
Cut eleven.
Eleven.
The a's are two hundred thirteen and the nay's are two hundred nine.
With six answering present, the resolution adopted.
Without objection, the motion to consider is laid on the table.
House will be in order.
Okay.
Ten.
I thank you.
You honor me with your enmity.
You flatter me with this falsehood.
You, who are the authors of a big lie about the last election, must condemn the truth-tellers, and I stand proudly before you.
Your words tell me that I have been effective in the defense of our...
Crowd chants, Ted Lou!
Ted Lou.
They're all gonna rot in hell.
Where were the Republicans doing that for Gozar when they censured him over a meme?
Well, the last time someone chanted like that on the floor was January 6th, I think.
Yes, indeed.
Alright, we're gonna talk about Schiff.
What are you working on, Matt?
All sorts of big things, man.
It's top secret stuff.
It'll come out next week.
By the way, speaking of rotting in hell like these Democrats, I had a major Republican lawmaker off the record.
I won't say which one.
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Alright, historic day yesterday.
Let's hear the Speaker of the House.
Only the 26th time in history this has occurred.
This is Speaker...
The Speaker banging his gavel with the Democrats getting a little bit noisy.
Play cut.
The ayes are 213 and the nays are 209 with six answering present.
The resolution adopted without objection.
The motion to consider is laid on the table.
House will be in order.
Shame! Shame! Shame!
Yeah, the Democrats are shouting shame, shame, shame, not
at Adam Schiff for being the biggest liar in D.C.
but because they're a cult.
Let's analyze it all with the man who knows the swamp, the Washington Bureau Chief for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.com, Matt Boyle.
Welcome to America First.
Dr. G, always a pleasure.
Great to be here and on such an important day, too.
So, I know you've got President Trump later.
Yeah, you're in pretty good company, dude.
You've got President Trump in the next hour.
You've got Newt Gingrich in the third hour.
So, not too shabby, Matt.
Nicely done.
So, I don't know about you.
I mean, probably not for you, but I was kind of surprised that it happened last night.
It was a thin, thin vote with six present votes for people who have to recuse themselves because they're going to be investigating Schiff after the vote.
But that was a big deal, wasn't it?
I think so.
I think it's a good first step from the House Republican leaders and from the conference as a whole, taking towards actually doing something about all of this, you know, deep state insanity that we've seen.
But they got a lot of work to do, right?
Like, so I don't want to like, like, you know, I mean, yes, a good first step for them.
Yes, I'm glad they're going to do this investigation.
I'm glad this actually happened, and I know Schiff is out there fundraising off of it in California, and it probably will help him in his Democrat Senate race out there.
But the bigger point here is that what they need to start doing is, look, this House has been doing good work, right?
Jim Jordan, Jamie Comer, right?
Like, digging into the Biden family corruption stuff, the Deep State stuff.
We saw the Durham hearing yesterday, right?
They need to start getting to the point where they're going to lay this out for the American public, right?
Like, I don't know if the impeachment is the right way to go, or a censure is the right way to go, or whatever they end up deciding.
The most important thing that this House of Representatives needs to do is they need to take the evidence that they've accumulated, which is a lot, right?
They have all the bank records, all the different business dealings of the Biden family, etc.
And they need to explain this and show it instead of just keep telling us about it.
They need to show it to the American public. So whether that's prime time hearings, whether that's
a series of reports, however they do it, their mandate is, and whether that's through impeachment
inquiries, whether that's through investigations, whatever it is, the most important thing that
Speaker McCarthy needs to do and these committee chairs and all the rank and file members is,
they need to make sure the American public is armed with the information about who this president is
and who the people around him are and who the Democrats are, and that includes Schiff,
heading into this next election. So that is the power that they have.
They have the power of the gavel.
They can use it.
They can set votes.
They can do things.
What they need to do is they need to use that power to get the information into the hands of the American people.
So we are hearing reports, you know, off the record, they're not name sources, that Kevin McCarthy is having discussions behind closed doors, trying to convince Republicans not to agree with Lauren Boebert, not to File and vote for articles impeachment against Biden.
What are you hearing?
The argument is that impeachment is a serious thing.
You have to have lots of hearings.
You've got to set the stage.
Don't go off half cocked.
What are you hearing from D.C.?
Yeah.
So look, I think that even Byron Donalds, who's one of the great conservatives in the House, has been saying that if you're going to do the impeachment route, you need to go through.
There's a lot of process you need to go through before you just have a vote on impeachment this week.
Right.
And I think that part of this is the fight you've seen between MTG and Boebert, right?
Like that has played out a little bit, like where the two of them disagree on the style and the process and how to do it.
But ultimately, I hope that the Republicans, no matter what they decide, right?
And look, there's an argument to be made that's fair, that the impeachment won't go anywhere in the Senate.
Like the Senate is not going to convict and remove Joe Biden from the White House.
It didn't stop the Democrats, did it?
Right, exactly.
But what you need to do is you need to keep in mind that end goal.
No matter what they end up deciding to do, the end goal here is, because big tech and the big media covered up the Hunter Biden laptop.
They covered up the corruption evidence of the Bidens in the lead up to the 2020 election.
That's in large part why he won.
So what they need to do is they need to Get the information into the hands of the American voter.
If they do that and they succeed in that regard, the American voter is informed and they have the proof that Joe Biden is corrupt and his entire family is corrupt and they're using their power in government to enrich themselves, then I think the American voter is going to make the right decision in November 2024.
And then your prediction, we're going to play in the next segment, the incredible reaction that Adam Schiff got from his fellow Democrats yesterday.
Is he now a shoo-in because this party's so corrupt?
Is he a shoo-in for the Senate seat in California?
I think so.
I think that the entire Democrat establishment is coalescing behind him.
This is why you saw a large part of the left come in as hard as they could to try to get Feinstein to resign, because Newsom has pledged to appoint a person of color.
Right.
So they were hoping that if they could get Feinstein out and make her resign, that then they could end run Schiff.
But then Pelosi, who's on Team Schiff, sent her daughter, apparently, over to go make sure that Feinstein had it together and came back and held on just long enough so that their friend Adam Schiff can get elected to the Senate.
But that's what's going on inside the Democrat side of things.
Yeah, of course.
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Play cut seven seven Nobody's above the law and you are innocent until proven
guilty Would you pardon him?
However, no, I would not pardon him.
And people that are talking about pardoning him right now, when the case hasn't even started, is insane to me.
And here is why this is frustrating to me.
Donald Trump knew the kinds of information that he had.
And when you look at the classifications of these documents, these are information that, if it got in the wrong hands, would lead to a loss of life.
Six.
I think DeSantis has really underperformed.
You know, he started out, and we've seen this happen before in other races, but he was the one getting all the attention.
He was wall-to-wall coverage on Fox News.
He was the only one other than Trump that was really getting a lot of attention.
He raised a ton of money.
He was a fairly successful governor in a big state who got reelected, and then he started Matt Gaetz destroyed John Durham yesterday.
I think the campaign is one of the worst I've seen so far.
Alright, title for the monologue?
Matt Gaetz destroyed John Durham yesterday.
Or dot at Matt Gaetz.
For the title.
For Rumble, yeah.
Oh, for Rumble, yeah, yeah.
That's fine.
Matt Gaetz... No, hang on, hang on, hang on.
I was thinking like John Durham, colon, paid to lose.
Matt Gaetz, colon, John Durham is part of the cover-up.
Oh no, John Durham, you are part of the cover-up.
Sorry I didn't see your text in time about that.
No problem.
So you got a couple of big things coming down the pipe.
Big stuff.
Big stuff.
Exciting.
Big stuff.
I gotta leave it at that because it's super sensitive.
Next week?
Next week, probably.
That would be my guess.
It's going to change the race.
We'll put it that way.
It's going to change the race?
90.
Oh, and did you have a title in mind for the speaker?
We still didn't have one.
And also for Razer.
Um... For the speaker, we don't have one.
Uh, not yet.
Um... Did we ask him his advice for President Trump?
Did we ask him?
Uh... I think we did?
Aren't you still... You ended it from Stallone to whatever to... No, that's Razorfist.
No, we've got Newt.
We've got Newt.
Yeah.
Um...
Because we covered a lot of topics.
You did the FBI with him, you did why they should wait to impeach.
Impeachment probably gets a lot of attention.
New Gingrich, colon, don't impeach Biden yet.
Don't impeach Biden yet.
Raise a fist from Stallone to Cicero.
By the way, Gingrich's argument there is very similar to Byron Donald's, right?
Like what I was saying before.
He's saying build up to it.
Build up to it, right.
Yeah.
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After he was censured, that's the Democrat Party on the floor of the Congress, cheering Adam Schiff and shouting Adam.
They're Maoists.
They're bloody communists.
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We're back with Matt Boyle, Washington Bureau Chief for Breitbart.com.
Matt, there are no normal Democrats left.
I mean, just last night, that chanting, it was like a cult.
Yeah, like, I mean, the shame, shame, I mean, yes, they're a cult, the Democrats.
But cheering for him, he's been censured, and then they're cheering for a guy who for six years lied to the American people, I have incontrovertible proof of collusion, and he never supplied it, and now they're treating him like a hero?
Yeah, because their argument is that this is just political retribution by the Republicans.
They're so far removed from fact and reality that they're just gone as a party, as a movement, as an institution.
The Democrats are not rooted in basic fact anymore.
Now, President Trump will be on the show later.
Some have already commented to this effect that this is all in preparation to reheat.
and redeploy the Russia collusion hoax.
Do you think they could use that again in the next 18 months, Matt?
Are they that desperate?
Yes.
Yes!
I mean, look, the polling is showing President Trump winning the general election right now, right?
Like, I mean, there's been a number of surveys.
It's not just one awful, like, Erasmuson poll.
There's, like, a number of polls showing that.
There's a poll out of Michigan this week that shows President Trump and Joe Biden tied in Michigan.
The same pollster showed Trump losing by eight in 2020.
It was a two-point race in the end.
So the fact is that if they're tied, he's up by five, right?
Right.
But the thing is that there's another poll out today, a national poll, Emerson College survey, that shows President Trump doing five points better against Joe Biden than Ron DeSantis does.
So Trump is not only just the clear frontrunner On the Republican side, he's actually the clear frontrunner of either party for the presidency right now.
And by the way, when you include Cornel West, who's actually running as a third-party leftist candidate for the presidency, Trump takes the lead.
He's one point down against Biden head-to-head, but when you include the third-party candidate, Cornel West, Trump is actually one point up over Biden in that Emerson College survey.
And if Trump is polling even or one point down, just given the way the Electoral College bat breaks down, if that's the national popular vote, Trump is probably going to win the Electoral College.
And so the fact is that I think that nothing is beneath them.
I mean, they're literally cooking up charges from the Justice Department to go after him right now.
By the way, they're going to indict him six more times between now and voting.
This has just become a thing now.
I expect many, many, many more indictments.
I think it's bad for the country.
It's bad for Trump legally.
Politically, it's golden for him.
It's the way these are all shaking out.
Last question, 30 seconds.
Do you still think, is it going to be Biden?
I think so.
It's hard to see.
You would have to start now if you're a Gavin Newsom or somebody.
And Gavin Newsom just hitched his wagon to Biden, right?
When Biden was out there, he was doing all sorts of events with them.
So they would have to start now if they're going to run against him and stand up a national campaign for next November.
So, I mean, I don't see it happening.
We shall see.
The man who will be keeping his finger on the pulse as the Washington Bureau Chief is our good friend Matt Boyle.
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Matt... Matt...
He wants to play with you, Leia.
Alright, hang on.
Title for that one?
Umm...
So, I'm going to go ahead and close this out.
Something about like...
He talked to Schiff, he talked to 2024, so like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The monologue was about Durham, so we haven't used a Schiff title yet.
Schiff and the cult of the Democrats.
Mhm.
And we have Cash here, don't we?
No.
No, he didn't.
He never responded.
Oh, okay.
Did I ask him?
Hang on.
Uh, Jeff?
What?
No, I don't think I did.
Jeff says he is.
He's going to call him.
Oh, he is?
Oh, good.
Yeah, phone only.
Nice.
What happened to Nefarious?
He said no one was available today.
We'll try next week.
I'm going to use 10 with him here.
Cut 10.
Okay.
We'll tee it up.
Do you have any B-roll of the Titan?
The Submersible?
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Can you give it to me, mic's off.
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All right, Adam Schiff, well, I've got to play a cut for you of what he said yesterday after he was censured.
But instead of going to your calls, Mr. G has managed to get perhaps the best person, maybe outside of Devin Nunes or the President, who we'll talk to in the next hour.
Don't go anywhere.
President Trump will be with us.
But just as good, or almost as good, we have the man who fought Adam Schiff's lies for years, Chief Investigator on the House Intelligence Committee, Chief of Staff for the Pentagon, a good friend of the show.
Welcome back, Kash Patel.
Thanks so much for having me on the program.
All right, I know you're going to be hanging out with the boss later today.
He'll be on the show in about 50 minutes.
Don't go anywhere, guys.
But let me get your reaction to just 18 seconds of Adam Schiff.
I thank you.
You honor me with your enmity.
You flatter me with this falsehood.
You, who are the authors of a big lie about the last election, must condemn the truth-tellers, and I stand proudly before you.
Your words tell me that I have been effective in the defense of our democracy, and I am grateful.
Cash, Adam Schiff is a truth-telling defender of democracy.
Yes, case closed.
I don't know why we even bothered to talk about watermelon heads.
Look, this is how divergent our country is.
And the problem is 20 to 40% of Americans believe the lies that Adam Schiff spewed and continue to believe the lies that he just stated in those 18 seconds.
Any reading of any document from the Russiagate host that we unearthed, Devin Nunes and I, or the Durham Report, or what have you, will tell you unequivocally that there is no proof That Adam Schiff had waving around conspiracy tales about Trump and Russia and assets, and the only thing we discovered was the Democrats rigged the system, and Adam Schiff was their lead cheerleader.
And now I'm afraid, you know, in my opinion, the censure was, okay, fine, whatever, but take a real measure.
Kick him out.
Expel him.
That's an actual maneuver.
This is, you know, the swamp politics at play.
I don't care about this.
But now my concern is you've just given him a pedestal to become the next United States Senator of California, which is worse than now.
But it is interesting because we played the clip in the last segment of how they cheered him, how the Democrats cheered him after he was sanctioned, only the 26th congressman ever to be sanctioned, because it shows the American people what the Democrats have become, Cash.
Well, that's just it.
And I think the good news coming out of that is that 8 to 10 percent of the middle, that was swayed by Schiff and the legacy media and everybody else in 16 and 20.
And now they know elections are rigged, and that's not a conspiracy tale from right-wing crazies.
That is a reality from Hunter Biden's laptop.
There's a two-tier system of justice in this country when it comes to Trump or Biden.
And Russiagate actually happened, and the Dems are doing their 3.0 version of it right now.
So our ability right now is to capture those voters.
And say, look, it's not an I told you so moment.
But if you don't want that to happen to our country, if you don't want people like Adam Schiff to be in charge of our nation, then get to the polls and vote for Donald Trump and all of America's first candidates.
The book is Government Gangsters.
Finally, he beat down the deep state.
It is being published.
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I opened the show with a monologue excoriating John Durham for the cover-up artist that he is.
A man who said, oh the FBI was wrong, they didn't interview key people involved in the Russia collusion.
Well neither did he!
He didn't interview Comey, he didn't interview Strzok or McCabe.
Your reaction to what we've heard in the last 24 hours from Special Counsel Durham.
Look, Seb, you know this, I was John Durham's biggest cheerleader.
I said give the man time, career prosecutor, seasoned individual, and then after yesterday I've become his harshest critic.
Are you telling me a federal prosecutor of 20 plus years forgot what DOJ subpoenas are?
Are you telling me he forgot how to use compulsory service of process to get Comey and McCabe struck?
Fusion GPS, Charles Dolan, Hillary Clinton's empire, Mark Elias, and everybody else that we list daily on Truth Social, put on blast.
No.
He stood up to the institutionalists and became one.
He is worse than Bill Barr, in my opinion, because his answers to the question specifically, why didn't you compel these witnesses to testify, was literally, oh, it was too complicated.
Too complicated.
I don't know.
Everybody else who got a January 6th committee subpoena or a Trump document.
What would have happened if, you know, he wanted to subpoena me or you and we'd said no cash?
I'm sure he would have been like, OK, well, thanks for thanks for your time.
I appreciate it.
We're just all about, you know, goodwill and professionalism here.
No, he would have gone to a federal judge and said that man is in contempt, violating a federal subpoena, haul him into court and make him testify.
And if you took the fifth, he would have said, OK, great.
Here's immunity.
You don't have to ask for it.
I'm forcing it to you via the federal judge.
That's what happened.
That's what happened to me in the Trump documents case.
He could have done that for each and every one of those individuals.
It is not a difficult process.
In my time as a national security prosecutor at the DOJ, I have never heard of one instance of the DOJ saying, oh, you found the witness and he's uncooperative?
OK, sorry.
Guess we'll just move on.
It is outrageous.
And John Doe is not that stupid.
He's not that lazy.
But apparently he is that evil, and it's no surprise that his protege was Bill Barr, who could have, by the way, Seb, been the one to compel all these people to come in when he was Attorney General in the Trump administration, but now you're asking why he didn't do that.
Yeah, he's a coward.
Now we know.
He's a coward, and it all means one thing, doesn't it, Cash, that they're going to use, they're going to reheat Russia collusion, and they're going to use it again in the next election.
Oh yeah.
It's just on repeat rinse, repeat rinse.
It's the same bad actors that DOJ, Karen Gilbert, Lisa Monaco, John Carlin.
These guys are running the scam back then, they're running it right now, and people are starting to finally realize, I don't want to live in America that has a two-tier system of justice because my parents could be next, my neighbor could be next, my friends could be next.
And if not, could be anymore.
They're going to be next.
It's happening.
Find out the truth.
Read the book Government Gangsters, governmentgangsters.com and follow him at KASH.
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All righty. Title for Cash. Um, what did he say? What did he say? What did he say? What
What did he call him?
John Durham.
Did he say Deep State?
What did he say?
I missed that part.
Um... That was interesting.
He said like 40% of people still believe Schiff's lies.
John Durham is the Deep State.
Yep.
John Durham is the Deep State.
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Let's pray that they have strength.
Let's go to your calls, waiting very patiently.
Antoinette in California.
Hi Dr. G. It is a Thursday and we do send our prayers to the family of the five there in our oceans there off the Atlantic.
Dr. G, yesterday Jennifer Horne was speaking with you and this whole situation with Durham and what a sad state of affairs we are in.
Durham and Bill Barr They are Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
Yes!
As of this moment, I pronounce my new pronouns.
I'm the new Attorney General of the United States and I arrest Comey, McCabe, Garland, and Adam Schiff for treason!
I would.
You have made my day.
You have made my day, Antoinette.
Let's take back the government.
Everybody get engaged 2024.
And let's have something like Joe DeGeneva.
Let's have something like Cash Patel at DOJ and the FBI.
Then justice will be done.
Glenn, waiting very patiently in Arizona.
I have a question.
It's something that's been irking me for a while now.
And I'll give you four instances.
Bob Moeller, Ambassador Bolton, Bill Barr, and the other idiot yesterday, Durham.
In each of these instances, when they were cast, Bob Mueller, special counsel, Bill Barr, AG, and Ambassador Bolton, when each of these people were put in place, people on our side were like, oh, Bolton, how great he is, Bill Barr, he was an AG under Bush, and they were cast as rock stars.
And then we found out that they were not.
I didn't have the faith.
You've got 30 seconds, Glenn.
30 seconds.
What's the question?
Isn't it time, Sebastian, that you and I and people on the right start being a little more skeptical of all these people that get put into place and start, you know, stop basically singing their praises before they do anything, sir?
That's where I'm at now.
And I don't know where you are, but I see that a lot.
Yeah, I made one mistake.
I made a mistake with Bill Barr because I was told by people who'd worked with him in the DOJ under the Bush era that this is the guy who's gonna clean up DOJ.
And I, you know, I'm Mayor Culper, I admit it.
The information I was given was wrong and the assessment that I promoted was also wrong.
But yeah, after the last six years, are you kidding me, Glenn?
Of course, it's the number one question of a second Trump administration, God willing.
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Alright, Eric, help me out.
You're the kind of savant, domestic political expert here.
Who on earth is Wilhurd?
I believe he served in the House of Representatives for three terms.
2016, 2018.
No, 2014, 2016, 2018.
He was in Texas.
Is he like a Freedom Caucus good guy?
Did he stand up to impeachment?
No, he was actually a very outspoken critic of candidate and then president Donald J. Trump.
Oh, okay.
And why is he, because I don't know, I've never heard of the guy.
Why is he in the news again?
Apparently he's decided everyone else is throwing their hat in the ring, so why not?
And he's going to run for president against President Trump in the 2024 GOP elections.
So somebody who voted to impeach President Trump as a Republican from Texas thinks he can be president despite the fact nobody's heard of him?
Apparently so.
I mean, who knows in this crazy time?
It's almost like It's a tradition now at this point.
There has to be a CIA guy, a former CIA guy.
I know!
This guy's a former CIA agent, and it's like Evan McMuffin.
I mean, hey, maybe he'll do slightly better than McMuffin.
That's the most he can hope for.
Geoff, do you get this?
Help me out here.
Why is somebody nobody's ever heard of, who looks dodgy anyway in an age where we don't trust the CIA, why is he doing this?
I have no idea, other than the fact that he's got nothing else to do.
He left Congress a couple years ago.
I guess there's nothing else to do.
So just run for president?
Yeah, why not?
If he can get some donors to, you know, give him a little bit of money to float somewhat of a campaign, why not?
And then what about Larry Hogan?
You're a big fan of Hogan's, right?
I love Larry.
He was the governor of my state for eight years.
And then how come he's bashing DeSantis now?
What's up with that?
I put the clip on there because I liked what he was saying, but I think it's 100%.
Him and Chris Christie are very close.
So I think now, for whatever reason, he thinks that Chris Christie... Hang on, you mean in, like, shirt size or what?
That too.
Are they really buddies?
Yeah, not only that, they always made decisions together.
No!
Yes, and Sununu's in that little clique too, those three.
Gosh.
Alright, well let's listen to the former governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, taking on DeSantis.
It's weird.
Play cut!
I think DeSantis has really underperformed.
You know, he started out, and we've seen this happen before in other races, but he was the one getting all the attention.
He was wall-to-wall coverage on Fox News.
He was the only one other than Trump that was really getting a lot of attention.
He raised a ton of money.
He was a fairly successful governor in a big state who got re-elected, and then he started You know, making all kinds of mistakes.
I think the campaign is one of the worst I've seen so far.
There's a plate of crabs next to them, Jeff.
Of course, he's got to do the Maryland thing.
He's on the water, on the dock, the sunglasses, crabs.
Unbelievable, truly unbelievable.
Let's remind everybody about the truth of Ron DeSantis.
This is President Trump in the White House, March 24th, 2020, talking about COVID.
He used this beautiful, I don't know who came up with it, whether it was Stephen Miller or one of the speechwriters, this incredible, not juxtaposition, but this reinforcing of, you know, opening up America at Easter time.
Cut to.
During our town hall today, you threw out a date where you think America can be working again.
And that's Easter Sunday.
That's 19 days from now.
So I think Easter Sunday, and you'll have packed churches all over our country, I think it would be a beautiful time.
And it's just about the timeline that I think is right.
Jeff, what was happening on that day in Florida in 2020 as President Trump was saying, let's reopen America?
That was when Ron DeSantis put an executive order in to require anyone that was traveling out of state to Florida to quarantine for 14 days.
March 2020.
But hang on, I've been told that Ron DeSantis never shut down Florida.
He fought to keep Florida open.
The schools, the shops, no quarantine.
Yeah, you must be confusing him with Newsom or somebody else.
Nope, that was it.
That's what Ron did.
And that's actually when he had also closed the schools down.
And I remember I was in Florida 11 months afterwards in Key West, 11 months after they began.
And every five minutes, cops were coming up to me, outside, telling me I had to have my mask on.
Are you kidding?
Nope.
COPS?!
Yes.
The police were saying, hey, look, you guys gotta put a mask on.
So, they were nice about it.
Then we'd walk another 50 feet, take them off.
Then a couple blocks later, there'd be another cop that would come up to us and say that we had to put our masks on.
He actually, he had so many people arrested.
I was looking at this this morning.
He had to issue pardons.
The governor of Florida had to issue pardons because his measures were so draconian.
Shopkeepers and others had been arrested, but the truth will come out.
That's why we're here.
Let's go to your calls waiting very patiently in Newark.
Is it John?
Welcome, John.
Hello, Dr. G. Yes, welcome.
What's your question?
What's your comment?
Actually, it was a quick movie suggestion.
Have you ever seen the movie Rollerball?
You know, when I was a kid, I saw it in rerun.
It's James Caan.
Who else in there?
Classic kind of dystopian sci-fi movie.
Yes, but if you look into the plot of the movie, the government is basically the corporation.
Individuality is frowned upon.
All of the books, he goes to a library, all of the books have been entered into a computer and destroyed and edited so you can only read what they want you to read.
Yeah, I mean if you look into, if you pay attention to the plot as an adult, obviously I saw it as a kid as well.
So you're recommending Rollerball for our Making Movies Great Again?
I think we're living it now.
But on a positive note, in the end, Everyone cheers on the individual.
Right.
Even though individuality is frowned upon.
It's a pretty bloody movie.
I remember the motorbikes with the spikes coming out of the tires, right?
Yes, correct.
But in the end, he has the opportunity to kill his opponent and win the game, and he chooses not to.
Sure.
I may have to add that to the list.
I will refresh my memory, because I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I love the suggestion, and maybe it was a prescient prediction of the future.
Stay on the line, John.
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You see, he did that after Abbott got rid of the mask mandates, because he was second on it, as always.
He always waited until... He's always second.
He waited until, like, Kemp or Abbott or someone else.
He's always second.
There's videos going around.
People like, you know, Trump guys on Twitter are digging up the receipts.
There was that one infamous video of DeSantis giving a speech where he literally said, the party is over in Florida, because, like, spring break was supposed to be happening, and they were arresting beachgoers in Miami, too, so it's just... Is that tonight a J6 event?
Yes.
Because that's the one thing that they are killing him on Twitter for, that Trump's done nothing for the J6 people.
They keep saying, oh, we could have pardoned them.
Even DeSantis won't even mention it.
Exactly, yeah.
They keep saying, oh, Trump could have pardoned them before he left office.
But they're also said, like even Cardillo tweeted, he hasn't done a thing to lift a finger for them and all this stuff.
Yeah, I don't know if they're publicizing it.
They've kept it a bit quiet.
Certain DeSantis people.
No, no.
No, I mean his team.
His team.
Like, he's literally fundraised for them, and people say, like the DeSantis people say, oh, all he did is release a rap song, that's all he did for them, and I was like, well no, that raised money to donate, like, they're so bad on it.
But yeah, they won't answer the question about how their guy would be on it.
Right, you can block the lines.
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Saying... hang on.
What Jeff said.
Okay, hang on, I'll ask him.
quarantine.
So, we're going to be doing a little bit of a Q&A session.
Okay.
Can you get B-roll of the president making his announcement at Mar-a-Lago?
I'm gonna start with... That's what got me on my second question.
Okay, let's see.
He should have something.
I found the exec, but I have Politico says Florida governor urges Trump to restrict domestic
travel.
Yeah, that's fine.
Alright.
That was a few days before, but...
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That's me.
Hey, welcome.
What's your question?
What's your comment?
Thank you.
Well, the comment is I wanted to say hello from a few of my friends, Mr. Ruger, Mr. Smith, Mr. Walter, and my good friend, Sig.
All right, which one is your best buddy?
Oh, I don't.
I can't choose.
You're a wise man.
You're a wise man.
What is your favorite right now?
What is the one you like to shoot most at the moment?
I'm trying to fall in love with the PPK again.
It's tough.
It's a tough one.
It's a little snappy.
It's an iconic gun.
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It's a kind of, you know, six feet and shorter gun.
Anyway, it's not Friday, Larry.
It's not Second Amendment Friday.
It's Thursday.
Why did you call us from the lovely, lovely state of Hawaii?
Yeah, it's a little, uh, Anyway, and I'm 75 so my vision isn't great.
I thought of a bumper sticker.
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That's pretty good.
Did you come up with that or did somebody tell you that?
Apparently I did and I can't believe out of the millions of listeners that There's got to be somebody else out there that just didn't buy done.
I like it.
We I think we have to reward you with a copy of the war for America's soul.
Stay on the line.
But before we do that, Larry, give me give me give me Larry back.
Larry, what's it like?
I mean, I presume you're a patriot and a conservative.
What's it like for you on Hawaii?
Oh, it's just ridiculous.
You know, The governor is a physician who lives around my neighborhood.
I live kind of rural, and he has actually helped me out in the emergency room of a cardiac event, and he held my hand, so I really liked the guy personally, but he's so far left, and the new gun laws, the concealed carry, it was all looking good, and then he signed a new law that says basically you can carry it around your living room if you're careful and it's unloaded.
So they did what they did in Maryland and elsewhere that they basically, you can have a concealed carry permit but you can't actually leave the house?
Yeah, that's it.
I have my certificate framed on the wall and that's all I got.
But is everybody crazy in Hawaii that they elect these people or is it just like tradition?
Explain it to me because I've been there and it's beautiful but I just don't get it.
It's so far left, there is no news out here.
There's no right.
It's just amazing.
That's the explanation.
If the news media was honest, I always said, if I could be God for a day, I'd just make everybody tell the truth and that would be the end of the left.
Plan if we were omnipotent, but in the meantime, stay on the line, and let's give our friend Larry a signed copy of The War for America's Soul, and we'll have it winging its way to Hawaii as soon as possible.
We have this individual, what's his name, we'll heard, who, another former CIA guy, Who wants to run for president, nobody's ever heard of, like Evan McMuffin.
And, um, he's rather judgmental.
Cut seven!
We'll heard!
Nobody's above the law, and you are innocent until proven guilty.
Would you pardon him?
No, I would not pardon him.
And people that are talking about pardoning him right now, when the case hasn't even started, is insane to me.
And here is why this is frustrating to me.
Donald Trump knew the kinds of information that he had.
And when you look at the classifications of these documents, these are information that if got in the wrong hands, would lead to a loss of life.
I love that cut.
I don't know who he is, never heard of him, but he is as dumb as a stump.
So he says, just listen to that, what was that?
That was like less than a minute?
That was 29 seconds.
He said, NO I WOULDN'T PARDON DONALD TRUMP!
THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING IT HAVE NO IDEA!
NO IDEA WHAT HE'S COMMITTED!
Really?
They have no idea.
But then, 12 seconds later, he says, Oh, and those documents, they could have caused people to die if they'd been released.
Well, how do you know that?
You haven't seen them.
So, suddenly, everyone else who says they're going to pardon him, like Vivek Ramaswamy, they don't know anything about the case.
But you do?
That's suspicious, Mr. Heard.
Did your contacts, your old buddies at Langley, give you unauthorized access?
Because the indictment doesn't have the details of what the documents actually stated.
Vague references to this country in the Middle East or that plan regarding what have you.
So how do you know?
What's in those documents?
Very, very suspicious.
Oh, I see the hotline is ringing.
I think that's the line to Bedminster.
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I do believe that's the Rolling Stones song President Trump likes to use at his rallies that the Rolling Stones take umbrage at.
Why is that?
Aren't they America first?
Aren't they patriots?
Don't they believe in Western civilization, the need to stop the deep state?
We are so delighted to have him with us.
I was there in Bedminster last week.
I can't believe that was just a week ago.
God willing, he'll be the 47th President of the United States.
But let's introduce the 45th.
My former boss, President Trump.
Mr. Trump, are you there?
Hello, Sebastian.
Great to be with you.
Real honor.
Well, thank you for taking the time today.
I understand you'll be hosting an event tonight at your club, including some of the January 6th families.
God bless you.
Thank you for supporting them.
We have so much to cover, but first things first, given that my portfolio In your administration was national security.
I have to ask you a national security question.
We have these shocking reports.
It's like we're back in 1962, Cuban Missile Crisis.
We have the Chinese, our number one threat in the world, building military bases on the island of Cuba, just 80 miles from the shore of the United States.
I have to start with this question.
If you are the 47th president of the United States, what would you do about this threat that's just so close to our borders?
Well, first of all, if the election weren't rigged and I was president right now, they would have never done it.
In a million years, they wouldn't have done it, Sebastian.
You know that maybe better than anybody.
It wouldn't have happened.
Just like Russia would not have invaded Ukraine.
This would not have happened.
This is an affront like I think I've never seen.
I think this might be this may go to the top of the list.
Other than the way we left Afghanistan with with the surrender, the way what they did, leaving that $85 billion worth of equipment, 13 dead soldiers, many very, very horrifically wounded, leaving Americans.
But this is one of the greatest affronts that they would essentially have military bases going up in Cuba now.
And the Cuban people aren't going to stand for it either.
The Cuban people are so great in Miami.
No, it would have never happened.
But if that did happen, I would say within 48 hours, you have 48 hours to get out.
And if you don't get out, we will put sanctions and we will put tariffs on China, the likes of which no country has ever seen before.
And as you know, I did take in hundreds of billions of dollars from China, and not one president took in anything.
But I would put tariffs on the likes of which no country has ever seen before, including China.
Well, we look forward to that happening.
It's up to us to get you back in the White House.
I look forward to the primary debates.
I hope they won't be hosted by Fake News Fox.
Maybe Salem News could host them.
But one of the people who thinks he has a chance is the governor of Florida.
And his team have been, let's just say, forging a history, faking a history about COVID.
I want to remind everybody what you said to Fox March 24th, 2020, walking in the Rose Garden.
Cut to.
During our town hall today, you threw out a date where you think America can be working again.
And that's Easter Sunday.
That's 19 days from now.
So I think Easter Sunday, and you'll have packed churches all over our country, I think it would be a beautiful time.
And it's just about the timeline that I think is right.
I remember when you did that, Mr. President, this beautiful idea of a rebirth, a resurrection of the nation for Easter Sunday.
The day you said that in the Rose Garden to Bill Hemmer, the governor of Florida issued a requirement for anyone coming into the state to quarantine for 14 days.
How is the governor's team thinking they can convince people that he was never pro-fauci?
Well, he's a guy that loved Fauci.
At the beginning, he was saying the most incredible things.
Dr. Fauci this, Dr. Fauci that.
He loved.
This is Ron DeSanctimonious.
He loved Fauci.
He closed up his state as tough as anybody else.
And frankly, when I made that statement, that was very, very early because I let the governors make the decision.
And we had governors that really did keep their states open, like South Carolina did, Henry McMaster and others.
But when I made that statement, it was very Very strong.
I took a lot of heat because everyone said, oh, you can't do that.
It's too soon.
It's too soon.
But I made that statement.
You remember.
But Florida was very, very closed.
Their beaches were closed there.
They wanted to close the highways coming into.
He wanted to close all the highways coming into Florida.
We said, no, you can't do that.
But no, it's very interesting with him.
He's trying to rewrite history, except he's got it.
Loves Fauci.
So many things he said about closing.
We want to close.
Remember the vaccine?
I mean, he was the big, first of all, he got the vaccine and he got the booster because we remember when they asked him, did you get the booster?
He didn't know what to say.
That usually means you got it.
But he was big in the vaccines and, in fact, he had people lined up to get the vaccines and, you know, that's up to him.
But for this guy to try and change history, it's very tough nowadays because everything's on tape.
Yeah, yeah.
Some of your supporters say you need to distance yourself from the vaccines.
I've always said you never mandated anything.
Do people not remember your approach to the vaccines?
Yeah, well, therapeutics and vaccines.
Look, I did something that, if you were a Democrat or a little bit more on the liberal side, I have a friend who's, believe it or not, he tends to be liberal, and he said, why don't you ever talk about the fact that you had the vaccines approved in Nine months instead of 12 years.
Five to 12 years, they said it was going to take.
He said, you should talk about it.
You should talk about it.
I said, well, I talk about a lot of things and I can talk.
But the big thing was there was no mandates.
There was no mandates.
There never were.
There would never have been.
That was up to governors.
And governors had mandates.
I mean, they put their own mandates on.
But it's the federalist system.
And I let the governors decide.
The Democrat governors were a disaster.
Some people like He was big in the vaccines.
You remember the lines that were lined up to get the vaccine?
And I guess he sort of mandated it, but he wanted people to get the vaccine.
And a lot of people think that's okay, and a lot of people don't.
But I got it done, and people think it was a miracle that we got it.
You know, Operation Warp Speed, It was an unbelievable, an unbelievable thing.
People can't even believe it with the ventilators and the Regeneron because the therapeutics, we did things therapeutically in a very short period of time that nobody thought was possible.
But the big thing in your question about vaccines, I would never let anyone mandate it.
If people wanted to get it, they could get it.
If they didn't want to get it, they didn't have to get it.
Well, I'm grateful to you.
I heard you talk about hydroxy early on.
I took hydroxy once a week as a prophylactic.
When I caught COVID, I had a sniffly nose for three days and that was it because of what you told me.
Mr. President, I was pushing hydroxy very, very strongly.
But other people were against it.
But and you know, the way I looked at it, it's not going to hurt you.
It's an incredible thing.
Been around for 50 years.
Solves a lot of problems in other ways.
And it was a very big positive.
But people people fought very hard in that.
But I was a fan of it.
Mr. President, I was there at Mar-a-Lago with your team when you announced recently your decision to run again.
And I have to ask you a personal question because, you know, I worked in your administration.
I've, you know, stepped in the arena.
I was used to the attacks.
That's fine.
They even attacked my wife, who was a presidential appointee at DHS.
They even attacked my 18-year-old son in a so-called journalistic piece when I worked for the White House.
And that's fine, I get it.
We took care of your family and we took care of your wife and son.
We didn't play games.
They did attack you.
I don't understand how... I was listening to you declare again.
Why are you doing this?
Because what they put you through, First Lady Melania, Barron, Eric, Don Jr.
Can you explain to the millions of people listening right now why you are prepared to do this again for America?
Because we had our country in a position better than any position it's ever been in.
We had the greatest economy in the world.
We had borders that were the strongest in the world.
We got the biggest tax cuts in history, the biggest regulation cuts in history.
I rebuilt the military, created Space Force.
Even Right to Try, where you can try drugs that were never going to be approved for five, six, seven years, but that had great potential if you were terminally ill.
So many things we got done.
And then these guys came in and just have destroying our country.
We are energy independent.
Gasoline was at $1.87 a gallon and then it went up to $5.00, $6.00.
That's what caused the inflation and it's going to cause it again.
You can't drill.
It's almost impossible for people to drill.
Ask the people in Texas.
Ask the people.
Look at what happened to Pennsylvania, what they've done to their energy industry in Pennsylvania.
So, we had it at a position like it's never been before.
Remember, the drugs were way down coming in.
Now drugs are 12 times as prevalent coming in from the southern border as they were just three years ago.
Hundreds of thousands of people are dying because of fentanyl and all of that.
And you know, the other thing, we're respected all over the world, and now we're laughed at all over the world.
We're laughed at by China, we're laughed at by Russia, we're laughed at by Europe, all of Europe, you know.
People say they're our friends.
They're in for $15 billion, and we're in for $150 billion.
Think of it.
$150 billion in Ukraine, and they're in for $15.
And one thing you know, it affects them more than it affects us.
They're neighbors.
So it's very sad to see.
It's a very simple phrase.
Make America great again.
I did it once and we'll do it even better a second time.
We know the right people.
We know the right people.
I must ask you your reaction to what we witnessed in the last 24 hours on Capitol Hill.
Firstly, John Durham, who was given Four years, millions of dollars.
We played the clip from Matt Gaetz who called him out.
He didn't even interview the architects of the smear campaign against you, the people who pushed the Russia collusion hoax.
He didn't even subpoena Comey, Stroke or McCabe.
Your reaction, you know, Matt Gaetz called him part of the cover-up, called John Durham part of the cover-up.
Your reaction to the Durham report and his testimony yesterday?
Well, I have a few reactions.
First of all, the report itself and the things that were said still are incredible, if you look at them, what they did and how they got caught.
Could it have been tougher?
Could it have been a lot tougher?
Should he have done those things?
Yes, but still.
But part of the problem is that we had an attorney general who was totally weak, lazy, pathetic, and he didn't want the report to come out before the election.
A rhino And Barr, Bill Barr, and he didn't want it to come out.
He's friends with the other side.
Look at the relationship he's got with Biden.
Look at the relationship he has with the Democrats.
Now, when I took him, I took him based on references of people that were rhinos, I guess, for the most part.
But now I know who they all are.
I know the rhinos.
I know the good ones, the bad ones.
I know great people.
I know OK people.
But I know some real bad ones and we don't use them anymore.
And we really had it figured out that last year, but we don't use them anymore.
But Bill Barr should have used, frankly, could have used the Inspector General's report, could have done without it.
But with all of that being said, it took too long.
But boy, there's some nuggets in there that are unbelievable in terms of corruption, in terms of the FBI, the DOJ.
There's some unbelievable nuggets in that in that report that are, frankly, nobody nobody's heard of before.
Gates is great.
I think he's great.
And I understand exactly what he's saying.
It should have gone faster.
It could have gone faster.
But the end result is that was a big report, and it showed how corrupt the DOJ is and the FBI is, and that's a really bad thing for our country.
For our viewers and listeners who want to understand the deep tentacles of the permanent bureaucracy, look into who Bill Barr's father was.
Bill Barr's father gave Jeffrey Epstein his first job.
You don't believe me?
Look it up, and that'll help you understand the Barr legacy.
Mr. President, we also had Adam Schiff, censored, the censured, the only 26th time ever it has happened in the history of the Congress.
Afterwards, we played the incredible footage, the Democrats cheering a man who lied about you and Russia collusion for six years.
If we do our part, if we get you back in the White House, can you, is there anybody on the other side of the aisle that you can even work with or are they all crazy radicals?
Well, you're going to find out, but they have become crazed lunatics.
Adam Schiff is a sick person.
There's something wrong with the guy.
He could stand up and lie and lie and even to this day just stand up and try and deflect.
And, you know, he's running for the Senate.
A lot of people say he's not going to win.
Maybe this helps him.
I don't know.
You know, they indicted me, and my poll numbers went up, okay?
They indicted me twice in my poll number, all run by the DOJ.
They actually took a DOJ top guy, one of the top guys, put him in the district attorney of Manhattan's office, And it's a indictment that even the Democrats laugh at.
They say it should have never been brought.
Same thing with the other one, with Jack Smith.
Presidential Records Act.
The Presidential Records Act and the Clinton socks case.
All they have to do is read it and they see.
Totally innocent.
But, you know, the people get that.
And they looked at it very strongly.
And my numbers are through the roof.
We're beating everybody by a lot.
And we're beating Biden by a lot.
And one of the reasons it was interesting.
Somebody wrote a very strong piece the other day.
I could tell you who, but let's not even use his name because perhaps you wouldn't want it, but wrote a very strong piece that they're afraid to have me back in.
That's why they're doing the indictment stuff because they don't want.
To be indicted.
Now, I would do it only very fairly, of course, but they don't want to be indicted.
So they said, we can't let this guy win.
But there was tremendous corruption on the other side.
Don't forget, they spied on my campaign and we caught them.
They did things that nobody would have believed.
Then they had two fake impeachments that we won and so much else.
The Mueller report, which showed no collusion at the end of two years, showed no collusion.
Collusion with Russia.
I'm the one that shut down the pipeline.
Remember, I shut down Nord Stream 2.
Nobody ever, even you probably never heard of Nord Stream 2.
I shut it down.
The pipeline, the big pipeline going throughout Europe, in particular Germany.
I shut it down.
Biden came in.
One of the first things he did was approve it for Russia, approve the pipeline.
And remember this, China has paid Biden and his son millions of dollars, including through University of Pennsylvania, where he's got documents all over the place that are totally unsecured.
And that he doesn't want the government to see.
But China, Sebastian, is paying millions of dollars to Biden.
But this is this is my next question, sir.
China will let out the bag.
How is he going to be?
They could extort him.
And I'm sure they are extorting him.
China pays Biden millions and millions of dollars, pays his son millions of dollars.
You saw that sham yesterday, too.
But pays all of this money.
So how can he come out and say, gee, they're building a military, essentially military bases, because that's really his.
Training facilities is the equivalent of military bases.
That'll be next.
But I think it's already taking place.
So he can't tell China to get out because they're extorting him.
So this is my next question, sir.
We have Hunter Biden, who has admitted to committing crimes, not paying $1.2 million worth of taxes in just one year.
Then lying as a drug addict on a background federal form for a handgun.
These are things that any normal American would be going to prison for like Wesley Slipes, like a rapper Kodak Black.
But the big story is that none of the things you just mentioned Have been discussed with regards to that case.
The pay for play, the millions of dollars from Russia, from Kazakhstan, from Ukraine, 1.4 billion dollars for Hunter Biden from the National Bank of Communist China.
Do you have any expectation of the GOP getting to the bottom of this with their investigations right now?
Well, I think Jamie Comer and Jim Jordan and all of them are doing a great job.
That censure was great.
They should have gone the first one where he had to pay 15, 16 million dollars on shift, shifty shift.
But I will say this.
They are doing a fantastic job, but the media is totally corrupt.
And barely a story was in any newspaper about the biggest story, what would have been, if it were the other way around, the biggest story in the history of our country, which is all of these things that are happening.
On the Durham report, there was just about not one story.
I heard not one, so I want to protect myself by saying just about, because maybe they had a sentence or two.
But the fact is, almost nothing was written about it in mainstream media or discussed about it in mainstream media.
You look at the major telecasts, if they're major, I don't know, I think we get more publicity than they do.
But you look at these telecasts, these newscasts on, nothing was mentioned about Durham.
The mainstream media is so corrupt.
And they're really I mean, they're really just a campaign contribution to the Democrat Party.
The mainstream media is corrupt.
Now, I've been saying it for a long time, but even I didn't think it was this corrupt.
Now they're just all out.
They don't even care.
They used to try and hide it by doing a little bit of something.
They don't even care anymore.
It is.
Our country is sick.
It's sick.
And if we don't win the election in 2024, if it's going to be rigged or stolen, because that's all they're good at.
They're rigging and stealing elections.
How can their policies, think of it, open borders, no voter ID, high taxes, high interest rates.
Nobody can get elected with those policies.
Bad military, leaving Afghanistan like a surrender, the most embarrassing day in the history of our country, allowing Russia to go into Ukraine.
He would have never done that, as I said.
So, nobody could get elected.
The only way you get elected is if you rig the elections, and that's what they do.
So are you satisfied on that point, Mr. President, that the GOP, the RNC, Rona Romney, McDaniel, the various state legislatures are doing enough to secure the election and to ballot harvest where possible?
I can tell you they're working very hard, but it's not just ballot harvesting because, you know, they say, oh, well, we'll get as many votes as them and all that.
They create their own ballots.
They put in ballots.
You had Detroit and different places where they had more ballots than they had voters.
So they cheat.
So, you know, I say to people, they cheat.
Sir, we would never do that.
We're Republicans.
We're Americans.
Yeah.
But the fact is, these people are horrible, disgusting cheaters.
They don't want voter I.D.
How can you not want voter I.D.?
Who doesn't?
You have to give an I.D.
card no matter what you do.
If you're driving a car, if you're buying groceries, no matter what you do, they have an I.D.
Except if you vote.
They don't want you to have.
The only reason they don't want that is because they cheat.
So, I can tell you, they're all working very hard.
I even tell people...
You don't have to help me at all.
I have all the votes we need.
We have so many votes.
We have a landslide.
The only thing I want help on, it used to be called election day.
Now it's election period because they last 42 days, 48 days, 61 days.
They last forever.
They used to last one day and you counted them up and you counted the paper ballots and you won or you lost and nobody had complaints.
But today it's a horrible system that we have.
It's a corrupt system.
So that's corrupt.
The media is corrupt.
The president of the United States is so corrupt.
We've never had a corrupt president like that.
And then his son gets caught with the laptop from hell that exposes more crime than anybody has probably ever had on a laptop.
And they gave him a traffic ticket.
And you know what's happened?
The country has totally lost confidence in our system.
Fun question, sir.
I know we're almost out of time and you have to go and meet the J6 families.
There's a rhino talking point about your mean tweets.
Well, I've got a pretty robust Twitter game myself.
I miss your mean tweets.
Can we see you back?
I know Truth Social, we love Truth Social.
We're on Truth Social.
We've got 700,000 followers on just our show account.
But can we get you maybe back on Twitter before the election?
Well, I guess we have 91 million people.
It should have been 200 million.
You know, when I left with Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and all of them, I think I had 250 million people total with all the different things, and all of a sudden I had nobody.
And I reverted about two, you know, I had so many things to say, and I started putting out just press releases.
Will you be back?
going through the roof. They were as good as being on Twitter. I don't know if it's
the same Twitter, but I can tell you True Social gets it out. It really gets, as you
probably know, it gets out the word. And you know, it's...
Will you be back? Will you be coming back before the election?
Well they want me back.
They want me back.
They really want me back.
The people at Twitter really want me back.
But I just don't know if I'll do that because, you know, Truth has become very successful.
I just don't know that I'll do it.
I don't know that it matters because, frankly, when I put something out on Truth, everybody sees it.
It goes all over the place and everybody sees it.
If you were back on Twitter, I have to ask this because he's such a clown.
Go ahead.
What would your message be to Chris Christie?
Well, look, Chris left with a 9% approval rating as the governor.
He made some recommendations that weren't exactly great recommendations.
You know, I listened to Chris.
I got along with him.
He endorsed me like crazy.
He did very poorly in New Hampshire.
He did very poorly everywhere.
And when he was finished, he endorsed me.
The same day he left, he endorsed me.
But I didn't trust Chris.
I never trusted him.
I could never really feel like I could trust him.
So I didn't use him.
So he's got a lot of hatred.
I didn't put him in the administration.
I didn't want to.
So he's got a lot of hatred.
But he's wasting his time.
He's at 1%.
Probably won't qualify for anything.
But remember, when a governor leaves and you're at 9% approval rating and you had the bridge gate mess, But you're at nine percent approval rating.
He went up to New Hampshire his last year.
He almost was in New Hampshire the entire time.
And that alone was a scandal.
The people of New Jersey said you're supposed to be the governor of New Jersey.
So I used to listen to Chris.
I used to.
He would give me advice on things.
But I found it to be quite unreliable.
Thank you, sir.
We wish you all the very best.
We're praying for you, for Melania, for Baron.
And best wishes to the January 6th families you will be hosting tonight, sir.
Well, thank you very much.
And your show is fantastic, and so are you.
And thank you very much.
God bless you, sir.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Bye.
All right, guys.
How'd you like that?
Was that good enough?
I think so.
I'm going to have a break now before Newt Gingrich.
Stay on this channel.
You You
You But we have a great capacity to fight our way back.
And the truth does have a tendency to come out.
You're seeing this happen now with the FBI.
I mean, I thought that the Durham report was devastating, followed up on the report of the inspector general, which was devastating.
The fact is, we need a bill to break up the Federal Bureau of Investigation and replace it with much more reasonable law enforcement systems and
eliminate the entire senior leadership.
I mean, it's clearly a corrupted institution, deeply politicized on the left.
It's one thing for people like myself or other radio hosts, former Secret Service agents like
Dan Bongino to call for the dismantling of the FBI. But when we have someone with
the political reputation and the sagacity of the former Speaker of the House say that
It's...
If the FBI is rotten, then we must listen.
Yesterday we heard even more evidence from Special Counsel John Durham himself.
Let's analyze it all.
We've been waiting a long time to get him back on the show to celebrate the publication of his latest book.
Former Speaker of the House, father of the Contract with America, Newt Gingrich.
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So your clip, that interview you did with my former White House colleague for Steve Bannon's War Room stunned many people, I believe, because you're not known to be a bomb thrower or an agent provocateur, but you spoke very trenchantly and made comments about the FBI that Most people would have to agree with if they follow what has been unveiled in the last four years.
Speaker Gingrich, how did we get here?
Can you put this into context as somebody who was Speaker of the House, that it seems within a couple of years we've gone from a storied institution, celebrated in the media, celebrated in politics, becoming maybe, can we say, the political police force?
Well, I think we just did at Newt's World a podcast with a 33-year veteran of the FBI who had written a book about the corruption of the FBI.
And his interpretation was that when the Friday after the 9-11 attack, When the head of the FBI, Mueller, at that time, went in to see President Bush and said, look, we've done our job.
We've identified all 19.
Here's all the data.
And Bush said, frankly, I don't care.
What I want to know is what are you going to do to stop the next attack?
And Mueller took that to be permission, direction, if you will, to create a domestic intelligence service.
So the FBI, which had historically been very decentralized, Very heavily focused on the special agent in charge of different cities, cooperating with local police, and embedded in crime fighting, suddenly became a Washington-centered system with a huge bureaucracy, hiring thousands of people basically to perform domestic intelligence.
Now, the problem with that is that when you are in a crime fighting environment, The argument is that the citizen is innocent until proven guilty.
As you know well, Dr. Gorka, when you're in an intelligence operation, there's a presumption of guilt until you can prove they're innocent.
So it's exactly the opposite.
And so you end up with an FBI which has far too many people sitting around thinking thoughts as though they were secret police.
You have a report that Catholics might be terrorists.
You have reports that Parents who go to the local school board meeting might be terrorists.
You have a kind of spying on conservatives.
That would have been unthinkable.
You have law breaking on a grand scale on the premise that as long as the purpose is to get Donald Trump, why would you obey the law?
On the other hand, you have law breaking on an equally grand scale on the premise that if you have to protect Hillary Clinton, why would you enforce the law?
And we just saw this exact procedure with Hunter Biden in the recent announcement that Even though he had lied to get a gun, which people have gone to jail for years for having done that, and even though he had failed to pay his taxes for two straight years and owed the federal government over $100,000 each year, something for which, for example, some Hollywood stars have gone to jail for tax evasion, suddenly in Hunter's case,
Oh, well, these are just youthful mistakes, even though he is a lawyer.
They really don't count.
So he gets probation and a promise to be good.
And it's just crazy.
So what you have is a system which has grown too bureaucratic, too centralized, too focused on intelligence activities, and too willing to have senior members of the FBI break the law.
Now, there are conservative voices, especially in the media, who say, have used the hackneyed phrase, it's just a few bad apples, you can just, you know, have new leadership.
My retort to that is, well no, when field agents in Philadelphia are instructed by the local supervisory special agent to execute a search warrant on a catholic on a pro-life preacher because of a misdemeanor charge that had been dropped by local court months before
Those special agents should have said, no, I'm sorry, here's my badge, here's my gun.
Instead, 20 of those junior agents executed that warrant in front of that man's seven children.
As a result, Speaker Gingrich, it seems as if the rot Well, I think you can keep the title Federal Bureau of Investigation.
I think there are three steps.
terrorism, counterintelligence and criminal missions of the FBI have to be parceled out
to other agencies.
Is the entity, QA FBI, salvageable in your opinion?
Well, I think you can keep the title of Federal Bureau of Investigation.
I think there are three steps.
First, kill the proposed new headquarters, which would cost three and a half billion
dollars and which would create a building larger than the Pentagon.
By itself, that's an act of gigantism and centralization that you know by definition is wrong.
Two, return the FBI to a crime-fighting function and redistribute power out of Washington back to the special agents in charge.
Three, create a very significant outside disciplinary board to look at all of the allegations of lawbreaking and, frankly, to recommend prosecution in some cases.
and dismissal and others.
But I think there have to be consequences for the level of lawbreaking
that the Durham report and the Inspector General's report,
Horowitz, both indicated.
And the fact is, none of these people have faced any consequences.
So I think there are steps that have to be made in the right direction.
And then fourth, I think we need a new law which says if you are found guilty of a felony
as a public official, you lose your pension.
Today, you don't.
Your pension is a right that you carry with you, which means that some of these FBI agents who are being fired are going to have a very nice, long pension life and receive a surprising amount of money from the taxpayer, even though They've been forced out because what they did was, in fact, breaking the law.
And in that case, what can be done in the meantime?
If we don't have the Senate, if we don't have the executive, what is the best speaking English we can expect from Republicans in the House?
Well, first of all, at a minimum, you can expect to have a real effort to kill the $3.5 billion headquarters.
And that's something the House can do because they simply refuse to fund it.
Second, you can have a series of continuing hearings on the rot in the FBI to lay out the evidence for the country.
Third, we need a bill introduced that has been thought through and that involves a series of hearings so that we're really getting sophisticated, well-thought-out professional ideas.
On how to profoundly reform the FBI.
And I think that probably becomes a major issue in the 2024 campaign.
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Would you explain to us what you have witnessed in the last seven, eight years?
How much has the GOP transmogrified?
What is the, to use a Cold War phrase, I know you are an ardent historian of strategy, the correlation of the forces, what is the correlation of forces between the establishment Republican Party and the new America first MAGA party?
Well, I think that actually began to break loose in 2009 and 10 with the Tea Party movement.
And I think that there was a huge upsurge that felt very dissatisfied with the Republicans and very threatened by Obama and the radicals that Obama was bringing in.
And as a result, you began to see a real move towards a different kind of party.
As you know, I ran for president in 2012, and considering the imbalance of resources, we had a pretty good run until Romney just frankly drowned us with money.
And Romney represented, I think, sort of the last stand of the old order, the kind of traditional country club Republican who didn't appeal to working class Americans, didn't understand the culture wars, and didn't really understand the rhythm of where we're going.
Trump becomes really important in that context because he is the first person who shows up as an aggressive anti-liberal, not because he's a philosophical conservative.
But because he has common sense, and he doesn't know what he's not allowed to say.
And so he just goes out, and so many things the left is doing are stupid, that all Trump has to do is be normal, and he's automatically a threat to the establishment.
Which is why, as early as April of 2016, there was an article that said if he does win, we may have to impeach him.
And the day he was sworn in, on January 20th, 2017, the Washington Post had an article about efforts to impeach Trump the very day he was being sworn in.
And I think you see now that the establishment was so terrified that lying about him, breaking the law, getting the New York Times and the Washington Post to print the lies and get Pulitzer Prizes for having printed the lies, all of this was seen as reasonable because Trump is a severe threat to the national establishment.
He represents a very different way of thinking about the world and a very deep willingness to take on the left.
And the result has become that he is, I think, one of the most polarizing figures in American history, almost in the tradition of Andrew Jackson.
And, of course, the establishment just melts down trying to find ways to defeat him.
And I think that that has set a stage Where you have an internal struggle underway.
You have a House Republican Party, which is the most conservative element in Washington.
You have a Senate Republican Party, which is split almost evenly between conservatives who are willing to fight to change and people who basically are part of the old order.
Then you have a Republican establishment, particularly the consulting class and the very, very wealthy, who are just Clearly anti-Trump for a variety of reasons, and part of it's a matter of style.
Trump's great strength is that he worked with everyday workers, that he built buildings, he built golf courses, he understood the language and the rhythm of people who work hard every single day.
Most of his—the anti—the most anti-Trump people Are the folks who wanted to go to the country club on Sunday not have to deal with all those folks and who want things to be genteel?
And Trump just violates their whole sense of decorum.
And that's why you have this split.
But you also have, to some degree, a policy split, although not as much as the personality split.
The Republican Party is rapidly becoming An America first party, and by that I mean not the isolationism of the 1930s, but a simple practical sense that you ought to think about what the United States needs, you ought to think about defending the United States, and you ought to think about growing the American economy, and then you can think about other problems.
But you don't start by subordinating us to the United Nations or to some other international agreement.
I constantly have trouble with this concept of style being the obstacle to support.
Now, I grew up in England, a very different culture, different political behavior from what I witnessed from my boss in the Oval Office.
It took a little getting used to, but it wasn't an insurmountable obstacle.
Can you help me understand why people still see this as a reason not to support a man who received 74 million votes?
Because if you look at style versus open borders, 110,000 overdoses from fentanyl drug overdoses, China rising, the collapse of Afghanistan, war in Russia, if an adult says to me, well, you know, mean tweets and decorum, I feel like laughing at them.
How can a grown-up see that as an issue, given what we've witnessed in the last two years?
Do you have an explanation?
Yeah, I think that for some human beings, you know, if you spent your whole life... I mean, one kind of goofy way to think of it is, if you go back to the classic movie Animal House, the guys who were the jerks who were wearing suits and were very tidy and neat, were sort of the people who would be offended by Trump.
Because, you know, Trump talks in a language which works if you're blue-collar, but it's not a language which works if you are sitting at the Gentleman's Club in New York, or the Harvard Club, let's say.
You sound uncouth.
In addition, they're particularly offended by some of his tweets, and they're offended by the degree to which he's unpredictable.
They prefer calm, steady decay.
To the creative disruption of a genuine entrepreneur.
But that means that they're not in favor of America being a shining city on a hill.
Well, they would like it as long as it could be done without too much effort and as long as they didn't have to sweat while it was occurring.
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we would witness a incumbent administration's department of justice reigning and arresting
not only a former president but, to use a British phrase, the current leader of the opposition?
No, I have to say that the degree to which the FBI and the Justice Department are now operating outside the bounds of law is something I would not have expected.
And I think it is an enormous threat to our constitutional system.
I think the fact is that if Trump indicted in New York by a Democratic district attorney, indicted as he will be presently in Atlanta by a Democratic district attorney, indicted in Miami and presently the District of Columbia by a Democratic administration, That is such a fundamental break with the entire American system that it is, I think, frankly, frightening because it's going to lead to retribution.
It's going to lead to a new standard by which you believe people get involved in politics at the risk of jail.
And, you know, that's one thing in Zimbabwe or Venezuela or Cuba or Nicaragua.
But I would never have expected the United States To see this bigger collapse of the rule of law and the protection of the Constitution.
If you put it into historic context, isn't it very hard for the average American after such events, whether it's Mark Hauk in Philadelphia, whether it's President Trump in Miami, can it not be a challenge of decades for the average American to once again have faith in the institutions and that Lady Justice does indeed wear a blindfold?
Well, I think it would take a very substantial length of time, probably several decades, if it happened.
But the greater danger is that this is the beginning of a new pattern and that, in fact, you will have a corrupt, lawless system in which power is directed by the left to destroy the right and to protect the left.
And I think that's a very real possibility.
And it makes the 24 presidential election unusually important, because I think if you got four more years of Biden after this performance, the degree to which they would feel emboldened to just totally run over the law would be pretty frightening.
When I entered the White House, I demurred.
I refused to use the phrase deep state.
I found it a little bit too conspiratorial.
After a few weeks of what I witnessed inside the White House and having a senior FBI agent tell me offline that you're not going to get those secondees from the Hoover building because, quote, The seventh floor looks at your boss as the enemy, so that's the seventh floor of the FBI building looks at President Trump as the enemy.
I have no qualms with using the phrase deep state.
Where do you stand on the description of the institutionalized threat to America?
Is it the permanent bureaucracy?
Is it a deep state?
What for you is the best label?
Oh, I think it's a deep state, both in the ideological sense that extends beyond government To our major universities, to many of our major news media.
So it's a collective effort.
It's why you end up with people at Budweiser making totally stupid decisions and people at the Dodgers and people at Target, because it is pervasive.
It comes out of the universities now.
And if you hire the best and the brightest, they're also nowadays the weirdest.
And so you have all of these C-suites with the bright, young, left-wing crazies.
Offering advice, and the American public is beginning to react to it, and I think it's going to have a significant effect in the long run.
At the same time, I would say you have a deep state of liberalism in the bureaucracy, but you also have a deep state of bureaucratism.
You know, the term at the Pentagon for presidential appointees used to be the summer help.
The whole notion that, oh yeah, I know the president sent you over here, but I'll outlast you.
I'll be here after you leave.
And frankly, this is not a new phenomenon.
Probably the most brilliant description of it is in a series of TV shows and books by Anthony Jay, who was an advisor to Margaret Thatcher and who developed Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister.
You watch them.
I can report having been there.
They're remarkably accurate.
They're funny.
But they are describing a real bureaucratic world beyond the ideological fight.
You also have the problem that these large bureaucracies become self-protective and I think in many ways become dangerous just by the sheer nature of the system.
Yeah, individuals who are never elected but who think they, by dint of being bureaucrats, decide the direction of the nation.
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Let me use a Clausewitzian phrase with you, Speaker Gingrich.
If you had to identify what we are dealing with, you used a very broad definition from deep for deep state from the entrenched bureaucrats to the universities and so forth where would you locate the center of gravity for this neo-marxism for this new leftism uh is it is it the media is it uh a historic institution like the frankfurt school is it the the college the teacher training colleges if there's one epicenter for the threat to the
The political fabric of the Republic, where would you point that locus?
Well, I think the heart of the system is the academic world.
I think the degree to which the left has taken over and crowded out anybody who doesn't fit their ideology.
In the academic world is a huge long-term threat because it means that all the best and the brightest of your children and grandchildren are going to go to places to get brainwashed into things that are absolutely false and very destructive.
But I think the center of the comeback is actually elected politics.
It's the one place where the American people can maximize their pressure.
And if you start cutting off the money, you begin to rapidly change everything.
That's why As I mentioned a while ago, cutting off the FBI building is a significant step because, in fact, it sends a signal to that bureaucracy of how much trouble it's in.
I think, similarly, really rethinking how we fund education, rethinking the Washington bureaucracies, really has to start from the elected officials because it can't start from inside.
Anybody who tries to change these systems from inside is going to be punished.
And ultimately exiled because the systems are self-protective.
Yeah.
My recommendation for over a year now is that in a second Trump administration, God willing if he is re-elected, the majority of these institutions should be moved out of DC, and that would change the makeup of who works in the departments.
Is that feasible?
You were a former Speaker of the House, and how much would that help?
If we can't get rid of the EPA or the Department of Education, at least move it to Nebraska.
Oh, look, I think breaking up the degree to which Washington is now a self-serving center of power and money is very important.
You have far too many people who live inside this area, who have no idea of the rest of America, and for that matter, no idea of the real world.
And I think that's very dangerous.
But I also think that part of our goal should be to shrink government.
We don't need government the size it currently is.
And if anything, it's a hindrance to our economic growth, it's a hindrance to our national safety, and it's a hindrance to us remaining a free society.
We have seen, of course, the current incumbent's son skate with a slap on the wrist for crimes that would have seen other Americans in prison.
Speaker Gingrich, there are those who are saying they're missing the point with the Hunter Biden story.
It's not about Hunter Biden.
It's about his father.
Do you agree that we potentially Could have somebody who is in the thrall to outside interests such as China.
We've seen Biden refuse to declassify documents concerning the outbreak of COVID.
We've heard Hunter Biden's own voice on his laptop say, I'm in business with the chief spy of communist China.
Are we getting the wrong end of the stick?
And what the real issue isn't just bribery and corruption, it's actual national security vulnerability.
Sure.
Look, I think the very idea that you have a vice president who ultimately becomes president, who has his family dealing in these kind of numbers, and frankly, who just plain lied about it.
I mean, Joe Biden claimed he didn't know anything about his son's businesses.
We know that was a complete, total lie.
We know, first of all, because your son doesn't bring in a couple of million dollars a year and you don't say, gee, how's it going?
How did you do that?
You know, it's a lie because we have the White House records.
And Joe Biden kept meeting with business associates of Hunter.
So I think this whole notion, you know, we also know it's a lie because he took Hunter on Air Force Two to go to China.
I mean, think about the symbol of what that said to the Chinese.
The fact is that the Bidens as a group are essentially closer to the Sopranos than they are to George Washington.
What do you react to those like Congressman Bobut who are trying to file articles of impeachment already?
I think that she has got the cart way ahead of the horse.
I think you first have to have hearings.
You have to lay out the case.
You have to convince the American people.
Lincoln once said, with public sentiment, anything is possible.
Without public sentiment, nothing is possible.
People are not prepared today to impeach Joe Biden, period.
There's no national preparation for that.
But why is that?
Is that because conservatives have done a bad job at communicating the level of corruption?
You said they're closer to the Sopranos than to Washington.
Is that upon us that the most Americans don't concur?
Well, I mean, first of all, I think if you watch what Chairman Comer is doing on the
investigation committee and you watch what Chairman Jordan is doing on the Judiciary
Committee, they're beginning to dig out real stuff.
I mean, we're beginning to learn about millions of dollars.
We're beginning to learn about companies that were set up as shell companies specifically to make it hard to track where the money went.
I just learned today, I did a special podcast about The Hunter Biden case with a Cornell law professor.
And for the first time I learned that, you know, there was real money involved from Romania.
I'd always included Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Russia and China.
But apparently Romania also had a billionaire who wanted to make sure that Hunter was taken care of.
So, you know, I think all of this is beginning to come out.
I think more of it will keep coming out.
And I think that presently the case will be huge.
But I think, you know, when we took over in 94, and we had a much bigger margin than Kevin McCarthy has, because we picked up 54 seats.
It still took us over a year to pass welfare reform.
And it took us over two, almost three years to pass the only balanced budgets in your lifetime.
So I think they're in the first steps phase of this.
And I think, frankly, they're getting a lot of stuff despite every effort.
By the administration to hide things.
They're gradually like pulling teeth, getting information out to the public.
And I think they're going to have a lot more in the near future.
And I'm pretty optimistic that we will all realize, probably by September, what a huge crook Joe Biden is and how profoundly dishonest he is.
But I think to try to move a vote on impeachment before then, I mean, I just think it's exactly backwards and it weakens the case because it makes it look like it's not a serious effort and that it's a nuisance.
It's not a real thing.
I think to go out and explain to the country why it's important to go out and carry the information I just described, I think that would be a very positive and very appropriate step.
And I wish that Congresswoman Bobbitt and others would focus on educating the American people Before they start parliamentary moves that you know are going to fail.
I mean, there's no possibility that the House right now is prepared to, in any way, impeach the president.
And I suspect that her motion will be tabled by a huge margin.
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Speaker Gingrich, your new book, The March to the Majority, details what happened in 1994 and afterwards, the Republican Revolution.
Could you put that story, everybody needs to get the book right now, but could you put that story into the context of today?
What do we need today?
Is it a new contract with America?
Is it a reckoning with the deep state?
What should the GOP's focus be towards their fellow Americans and voters?
Well, I think the Republicans should be focused on the really big issues that have overwhelming popular support.
And I think if you read Reagan's farewell address in January of 1989, he says, people said I won big victories, but that wasn't true.
Every victory I won came from you, the American people, because you called and wired your members of Congress.
And I could count on you.
And I think that's a key thing to remember.
A good first step was to pass the Parental Rights Bill.
Parental rights is an 84% issue.
Only 11% oppose it and 5% are undecided.
And Reagan should have taught all of us that if you can find an 84 to 11 issue, you ought to talk about it every day.
And that's one of the Republican problems.
They don't know how to be repetitive.
They get bored easily.
And they forget that this business takes constant repetition.
Work requirements is a 78% issue.
People can go to americasnewmajorityproject.com, which is where we have been doing polling for five years, at americasnewmajorityproject.com.
All available for free.
And you'll begin to see that there are big issues where you get 70, 80, sometimes 90% of the American people.
It's the Washington Post, It's the New York Times.
It's the networks.
They are all on the hard left, but they don't represent most of America.
Most of America is, in fact, still solidly conservative.
Most of America thinks, for example, that criminals should be locked up if they're dangerous.
They shouldn't be put back on the street.
Most of America wants a balanced budget, thinks it's important both for economic growth and for Taking inflation out of the system.
So I think, you know, there are a lot of things we can build a base on.
And one of the lessons of March to the Majority is, and I wrote the book to be a playbook for today, not just a history book about the past.
We stood on Ronald Reagan's shoulders.
We understood that he had touched deeply the heart of America.
So he introduces welfare as a concept to be reformed with work.
in 1965 running for governor. We pass it in 1996, 31 years later. And by then we've won
Wow.
the argument. So I would say pick big things, introduce very big bills and talk about them
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I'm asking a naive question, speaking in English.
How does the GOP not get this?
I mean, rule number one is repetition.
Why are we still talking now about lack of communication skills?
How many very, very well-paid experts are strategists on communication to the right, and they don't know the basics?
Right.
I mean, the number one basic is you can't afford to get bored.
So if you pick a big issue, You have to be willing to talk about it every single day.
Yeah.
Well, a lot of people get bored.
They find it hard to keep doing it.
Haley Barber, the former Republican National Committee chairman and former governor of Mississippi, used to say that about the time that you were totally sick of saying it, people are beginning to hear you.
And so I would say that they need to pick five or six things that are so big that they change the whole game.
And then they need to stay on them and talk about them.
And I mean, I would like to see them bring up the parental rights bill again at Mother's Day next year and spend the entire next year finding people who agree with it.
I'd like to see them introduce a comprehensive work requirement bill and talk about it for the next year so that by the time they bring it up, there's overwhelming public support everywhere in the country.
I think these things can be done.
You talk about the popularity of the parents' rights issue.
I may be too close to it.
It's the reason my wife ran for a local office in Virginia and won last month her first ever elected office.
I see the trans issue and just the perversity of Young girls and boys being mutilated by so-called doctors.
I see that as perhaps a Damascene moment that will make many people who don't see themselves otherwise as political individuals wake up and say, oh my gosh, what are the Democrats proposing?
Do you think the trans issue could be that catalytic issue for future voters coming over to us?
I think, look, I think if you have the nerve To stand toe-to-toe and talk honestly about genital mutilation, talk honestly about six-year-olds and seven-year-olds being brainwashed by their teachers, talk honestly about the fact that, you know, males should not be competing in women's sports, period.
Yeah.
I don't care whether they think that they're female or not.
The fact is that through puberty, their muscles are bigger, their structure is different, and to have males compete with females virtually guarantees the destruction of female sports.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was honored a few years ago to... I was in Rome when Secretary Pompeo was there and I got to meet you, Speaker Gingrich, at a reception held by your lovely wife, who was then the ambassador to the Holy See.
It must have been a hardship post living in Rome and supporting your wife as she was representing America to the Pope and to the Vatican.
Let me pull up to 60,000 feet for a second.
With regards to parental rights, the trans issue, and just the renting of the fabric of America in recent years when it comes to rule of law and just common decency, how much of the troubles that we are witnessing are a function that we've lost our way in terms of faith and understanding that there's a reason the founding fathers nailed our unalienable rights to the fact that they are derived from our being made in the image of our Creator.
How much work is there to be done for us to revitalize and revivify the concepts of eternal truth?
Well, I think we desperately need a Great Awakening, which was the title of the great revival movement of the 1720s and 1730s.
We have seen God driven out of our schools.
We've seen God driven out of our conversations.
We've seen the rise of the weird, disgusting people who make fun of nuns.
And who were honored by the Dodgers in one of the most sickening events that I've seen in my lifetime.
You know, religious women who go around the world offering medical help, offering education, offering food, to have them ridiculed, despised, basically by a group of people who are weird and who are hostile and who are vicious, and then to have a great organization like the Dodgers Not bring in the nuns to thank them for helping people around the world, but to bring in these anti-nuns who I think could come as close to personifying evil as you can imagine.
And it tells you how sick the culture has become that somebody in the Dodgers organization thought that was a reasonable behavior.
Yeah, truly, truly shocking.
They're actually pillorying the nuns and then gyrating on top of somebody, pretending to be Jesus on the cross.
It's just utterly shocking.
My last question to you, Speaker Gingrich, please, everybody watching, we have millions of listeners and viewers right now, please check out and order March to the Majority, the Speaker's new book, to understand how we won before, because Probably that's key to how we're going to win again.
To that regard, Speaker, are you an optimist?
Do you remain an optimist?
If we see blasphemous, sacrilegious things celebrated by the Dodgers, if we see a president who'd barely left the White House have his home raided and then be arrested, do you still remain an optimist about the greatest nation on God's green earth?
Sure.
I'm an American.
I wrote a novel a few years back called To Try Men's Souls about Washington crossing the Delaware on Christmas night in a snowstorm with ice in the river to march eight miles in the dark in a snowstorm with one-third of his troops having no boots marching in burlap bags leaving a trail of blood.
That victory was the key to the survival of the Revolution.
It dropped from 30,000 men in September To about 2,500 effectives on Christmas Day, as I said, a third of them without boots.
In a very short time, with about two weeks, because he won at Trenton and captured 800 professional German soldiers, in about two weeks there were 15,000 volunteers and the revolution had been saved.
I have enormous confidence in the American people and I believe the American people will presently overwhelm and clean up all of the sickness of the left and that we will in fact
move forward once again to being the freest, safest, most prosperous and law-abiding
nation in the world.
Just as the great late Rush Limbaugh told us, it is fundamentally un-American to despair.
Speaker Gingrich has reminded us that we are optimists.
Why?
Because we are Americans.
Please follow him at Newt Gingrich.
The website is AmericasNewMajorityProject.com and the book is The March to the Majority.
You've been listening to America First one-on-one with me, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist of the 45th President of the United States.
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