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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Why does Mr. G hate science fiction?

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	Thank you.
	Well, the truth is, we really have a record to be proud of.
	Vaccinated the nation, transformed the economy, earned historic legislative victories and midterm results, but the job isn't finished.
	I mean, it is finished for Chuck McCarlson.
	What are you moaning about like that?
	Like you think that's not reasonable?
	Give me a break.
	Give me a break.
	What does that mean when he says that?
	It means that he's out on thin ice.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka.
	That was the White House Correspondents Association annual dinner with the current incumbent of the White House giving a speech.
	A good friend of mine was there, Chris Plant.
	Some conservatives were there.
	He was there for a very special reason, to collect an award, a recognition for his late father, Bill Plant, quite a famous journalist.
	But it is a hive of mediocrity otherwise, a hive of left-wing fake journalists.
	We will share more from that event with you, but first, Let me tell you what I did this weekend.
	As you know, I've been on the road.
	We had, first time ever, a guest host by the name of Kash Patel, former Acting Director of National Intelligence, former Chief of Staff of the Pentagon, former Chief Investigator for the House Intelligence Committee.
	How did he do, guys?
	I need to know.
	Eric, how was Vivek, how was our buddy Kash Patel, the first time ever hosting live radio?
	I rarely say this, but that man is a natural.
	He just slipped right into his radio shoes like he does this all the time.
	Alright, Geoff, do you concur with Eric?
	I agree.
	You know, I don't throw out compliments.
	I thought he did a very good job.
	So we can have him back?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Well, there you go.
	Well done, Vivek.
	And you had some rather good guests on the show as well.
	If you missed it, we posted some of the video.
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	We posted the interviews with Jim Jordan, Chairman Jim Jordan, and with former Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes.
	So you'll want to watch those.
	So where was I?
	Well, I traveled to a station event.
	Salem requires of us hosts that we travel the country to meet with you, our dear listeners, in person.
	And I was in California.
	I was in the Inland Empire with an event co-hosted by our good friend Jennifer Horne and Grant Stinchfield with about 900 conservatives in California, and it was stunning.
	We had Larry Elder on the stage.
	We had some amazing people who you're going to hear about later this week because I'm going to invite them on this show as well.
	But let me just share with you some interesting facts from who I met there.
	We had former sheriff Alex Villanueva.
	We had two other sheriffs from California there.
	And also an active prosecutor.
	And I took the time to ask them a little bit of inside baseball I want to share with you.
	Does the left really believe the ideology they say they use as a justification for their soft-on-crime and supporting-the-criminals policies?
	Here's the frightening news.
	From people who are on the front line every single day, Who have to deal with the Soros-funded prosecutors, for example, with mayors, with local politicians that want to defund the police.
	This local prosecutor and the sheriffs all told me, yeah, they believe it.
	They believe that being soft on the perpetrator, the criminal, the robber, the rapist, the arsonist, the thief, whatever it is, is justified because the system is racist.
	Because these perpetrators, if you're white, you probably get different treatment.
	Look at January 6th, of course.
	But if you're a black perpetrator of crime, and especially violent crime in California, You're a victim.
	The system is stacked against you, so you're naturally going to be a criminal.
	You're naturally going to mug somebody, loot a store, or sexually assault someone.
	Therefore, there has to be what?
	Quote their phrase, redistributive justice.
	Meaning, no justice.
	Meaning, the perpetrator is treated as the victim.
	How do we know?
	Can we confirm this insanity at a more obvious national level?
	There's a man who's supposed to be responsible for your safety.
	He's not a local sheriff.
	He's not even a local police chief.
	He's the man who is responsible for the safety of all Americans.
	He's the Secretary of Homeland Security.
	He's supposed to make sure the border is secure, that only people who are allowed to come into America are allowed to come in.
	Tourists, visitors, your relatives, immigrants that have done what needs to be done to clear the system.
	But no.
	He's allowed millions of illegal immigrants into this country.
	And they're still here.
	But he's prepared to lie about it Live on television.
	Cut to.
	What's the definition of secure border to you?
	It is, in the context in which we are working, it is maximizing the resources that we have available to us to deliver the most effective results.
	And something that is overlooked, that I speak about frequently, is the fact that our apprehension rates at our southern border ...are consistent with the apprehension rates in the prior administration.
	And why is that?
	It is because of the extraordinary and extraordinarily heroic work of our United States Border Patrol.
	Now, we're going to break that into two parts.
	I want you to listen again.
	If you ask somebody, what does it mean to have a secure border?
	It should be a relatively simple question.
	Yes, that it's secure, that it's closed, that we let in the people that can legally come in.
	And then what is his first response?
	In the context of which we are doing that work.
	That's not an answer.
	Let's listen to that.
	Let's break it into two parts.
	Click on.
	What's the definition of secure border to you?
	It is in the context in which we are working.
	It is maximizing the resources that we have available to us to deliver.
	In the context in which we are working?
	Why does he have to pad that in there?
	Because he's about to lie.
	So he has to give himself breathing room.
	He has to come up with the next terminology.
	And what is the next part of that cut?
	Listen to what he says about apprehension rates.
	...the most effective results.
	And something that is overlooked, that I speak about frequently, is the fact that our apprehension rates at our southern border are consistent with the apprehension rates in the prior administration.
	And why is that?
	It is because of the extraordinary and extraordinarily heroic work of our United States Border Patrol.
	80% of whom aren't allowed to actually be on the border.
	Now, apprehension rates.
	What's the big difference?
	Even if it were true that they're apprehending as many people as we did in the Trump administration, they're letting them go.
	We didn't let them go.
	We detained them.
	And if they were here illegally, we deported them.
	You see?
	Just one little detail tells you everything you need to know.
	They don't give a damn about you.
	And they're prepared to endanger you.
	One illegal immigrant killing a whole family, and he'd already been deported multiple times.
	We'll share the details.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
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	We'll be back after these messages.
	Is this Kitty Gorka?
	Hey, dude, I like that picture you posted from the gun show, showing off those C-cups, man.
	You should be proud of yourself.
	No wonder you hate the trans community.
	Oh, are you body-shaming somebody?
	Are you a liberal?
	That's so, so delightful.
	Why don't you just...
	Oh.
	What was that bitch?
	Oh.
	That bitch with the titties, man boobs?
	Oh, really?
	You know what's funny about you?
	You wouldn't say that to my face because you're a little coward.
	You're a little coward.
	You'd never say that to my face because you're nothing.
	Goodbye, sad little boy.
	I like that we didn't even get his name.
	All right.
	Matt's up.
	Tony's on camera.
	Dr. G, the trolls are out, huh?
	By the way, they're on the Saturday show now, too.
	I get, like, a ton of them every week.
	You do?
	They must be getting paid.
	Yeah, this has got to be this leftist operation, I think.
	I think that there's something deeper going on.
	You know, the funniest thing is I have this joke with them that I use all the time.
	Why don't you give your mom his phone back, her phone back, and the last guy that called Jeff did a reverse search, and it was his mother's phone.
	That's so funny.
	Alright, so dude, I need to know this exclusive interview.
	How many words was that?
	The Kevin McCarthy one.
	The article was like 5,000 words, I want to say.
	Oh my gosh.
	Yeah.
	I wrote it yesterday afternoon, so.
	Have you got the buffer, Eric, for the article?
	Yeah, it's right here.
	Nice.
	But yeah, we spent an hour with the speaker in the ceremonial office.
	So, really, really solid stuff, I thought.
	Good, excellent.
	Alright, we will discuss at length and then... Whatever you want to talk about, man.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You want to come in with something?
	I'm looking, I'm looking.
	PhD.
	PhD. PhD.
	Yeah, I'm going to play the light foot cut with Matt.
	Cut five.
	We're going to tee it up.
	All righty.
	Is Solomon still good for D?
	Jeff says yes.
	Alright, Matt, we're gonna do one segment with you so I can take some calls.
	Got a title in mind?
	Or titles, I should say.
	Plural.
	No, you don't have to post a... Oh, okay.
	And then for Chris?
	For Chris, yes.
	These are dark and trying times.
	Very good.
	Dark and trying times.
	Okay.
	Coming in with Ph.D.
	I'm gonna use Cut 1 with Matt.
	Cut 1.
	Biden again.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Alright.
	And then... And then Cut 5.
	And then Cut 5, potentially.
	Alright?
	One minute.
	Alrighty.
	One minute.
	Good.
	I'm working on those articles you sent me, by the way.
	The Times articles.
	Oh good, thank you.
	No problem.
	45. 30 seconds. 30 seconds.
	You're listening
	to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
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	This is the current incumbent of the White House this weekend at the White House Correspondents Association Dinner.
	Cut one!
	A lot of ways this dinner sums up my first two years in office.
	I'll talk for 10 minutes, take zero questions, and cheerfully walk away.
	Yeah, take no questions and then walk away.
	Somebody who would ask him a lot of questions if he got a chance is the Washington bureau chief for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.com, the man who I think has got a record for writing the longest investigative journal pieces in the world, Matt Boyle.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure.
	I would love to sit down with President Biden.
	I have lots of questions for the president.
	I don't think he's up for it though.
	You got this 5,000 word exclusive with Speaker McCarthy based upon your video interview in the special speaker's offices.
	You don't think you'd get a 5,000 word article out of an interview with Biden?
	No, I don't think so.
	I don't think Biden would sit down with me for even a minute or one question.
	But look, the offer stands.
	If he ever wants to do it, I'd love to talk to him about a number of different issues, but I don't think he wants to.
	White House, if you're listening, we can connect you to Matt.
	I think you know where to find him.
	But first things first, just that little clip before we get to your exclusive with the speaker.
	The fact that the White House press corps laughs at something that's meant to be a joke but that's actually true, that he doesn't talk to them, doesn't take questions and then walks away, I mean that means that they're just all prostitutes, Matt.
	Yeah, look, I mean, I remember the non-stop complaining that they couldn't get interviews or press conferences with President Trump, but the point is that President Trump was the most accessible president in modern history to the media, whereas Biden, I mean, it's been, what, nearly a year since he did a news conference or something like that?
	Do you remember how many times he'd stop on the South Lawn on the way to get on Marine One, and he'd stop there for like 20 minutes just taking questions?
	Yeah.
	And by the way, and then he also did regular news conferences and lots of interviews.
	And so President Trump was very accessible to the media.
	President Biden is not.
	He's hidden, detached, removed from reality.
	And so, yeah, I think that that was a particularly illuminating moment.
	All right, tell us about this 5,000-word exclusive with Speaker McCarthy.
	What did you learn?
	What are the most... Everybody needs to go and, you know, follow you on Truth Social, Real Matt Ball.
	They need to make sure that Breitbart.com is bookmarked on their computers.
	But tell us a little bit about your exclusive.
	Yeah, so look, back in mid-March, we sat down with Speaker McCarthy for an hour in the Speaker Ceremonial Office right off the House floor.
	This was like right after Speaker McCarthy released some of those January 6th tapes to Tucker Carlson, then Fox News host, who's since had his show taken off the air.
	But the the so we talked about that we've put out some of the stories and that are clips in the lead up to the big one here with the more in-depth interview like and we talked about the debt ceiling we talked about immigration China we talked about holding the Biden's accountable etc all sorts of different stuff so there's a lot of different major things in here But these are a major investment from us.
	We bring in a whole crew of like five or six folks.
	You know, the video guys, you see a couple of them in the background there as we're doing the intro and whatnot.
	Then there's, you know, multiple producers.
	And then there's me doing the interview.
	So it's a really great crew.
	And I think it allows us to go a little bit more in depth with some of these major policy leaders.
	We've done these types of things.
	We did a previous one with McCarthy back when he was the minority leader before the election.
	We've done ones with Governor Noem.
	We've done them with Senator Marshall Blackburn, with Senator Marco Rubio.
	Another one of our folks here did one with Governor Abbott in Texas.
	So it allows us this ability to kind of get a little bit more beyond the headlines of the day and into The bigger thematic things that are facing the country.
	And that's what we did with this interview with Speaker McCarthy.
	And I think, you know, you see someone there who talked about how that speakership election affected him and, you know, what that week was like.
	And he thinks that House Republicans are actually closer together now as a result of that.
	And they kind of got it out of the way in the beginning and they got a lot of good reforms.
	And he's right about that.
	I mean, look at the results, right?
	You know we talk a lot about the debt ceiling and the views that he has on that and the terms and the lines and you see the plan that they passed last week out of the house that's really strong and we talk a lot about China and there's a lot of stuff on China in there.
	He's particularly proud of removing Eric Swalwell, Adam Schiff, and Ilhan Omar from their respective committees.
	And we talk a lot about how Swalwell was gotten to by a Chinese spy, Fang Fang.
	And he says that if they can get to Swalwell, which they got to him back when he was a city councilman.
	So they're getting to people, Chinese spies, very early in their careers and then tracking them and holding them.
	for a lot longer.
	And so, you know, we talk a lot about that in there as well.
	So there's a lot of really cool in-depth stuff here.
	I really encourage folks to watch it.
	I think it gets beyond the headlines of the day.
	Good, excellent.
	Please check it out and also follow Matt right now at Real Matt Boyle on Truth Social.
	We've got a couple of minutes left.
	You used to work for the Daily Caller, right?
	I did!
	That was my first job out of college.
	So your response, my response to what Fox did is it's business suicide and Tucker's now going to have a much bigger audience if you just look at his Twitter video.
	But your response to Fox's decision last week?
	I think it's a disastrous move by Fox News.
	Tucker Carlson is one of the most important voices in the country as evidenced by the ratings that they were getting and they're clearly going through chaos right now trying to figure out how are they going to handle uh and you know who's gonna fill the slot they had kill me in there for a week now they're gonna try this laurence jones guy i don't know if that's gonna work out then we'll see what happens next and so uh you know again well not going so well for fox news
	uh because you know again there was no reason to take tucker off the air yeah absolutely insane jones Just the mathematics of the fact that on a good night, well, he'd have between 3 and 5 million viewers on his cable show.
	If there was some big breaking news, it'd be about 5 million viewers.
	The last time I looked at it, the Twitter video he posted last week had 70 million views.
	That's more than 10 times his cable audience.
	Fox, you have no idea what you're doing.
	Read the article.
	Watch the video.
	Our buddy Matt Boyle, Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart.
	Breitbart.com.
	Follow him at RealMattBoyle.
	Also, make sure you never miss anything we post.
	Did you see my video from Phoenix on my way to the gun range?
	Yeah, a little bit of a fun experience traveling to the desert at the weekend.
	I'm on every social media platform that matters.
	Follow me at Seb Gorka or Sebastian Gorka.
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	And then my substack is sebastiangorker.substack.com.
	That's sebastiangorker, one word, .substack.com.
	Back with your calls next!
	Next, 833-33-GORCA.
	Yep.
	All right.
	All right, from now on, I'll try and remember it in the morning on the rundown response, but if ever we've got somebody who's just phone, we've got to have B-roll prepped.
	Whatever it is, generic President Trump or whatever, we've got to have it prepped.
	All right.
	We have that cut of the boy, by the way.
	Oh, good.
	Can you play me the cut?
	Good evening, my name is Liam Morrison.
	I live at 519 Wareham Street.
	I'm in the 17th grade at Nichols Middle School.
	I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you today.
	I never thought that the shirt I wore to school on March 21st would lead me to speak with you today.
	On that Tuesday morning, I was taken out of gym class to sit down with two adults for what turned out to be a very uncomfortable talk.
	I was told that people were complaining about the words on my shirt, that my shirt was making some students feel unsafe.
	Yes, red on a shirt made people feel unsafe.
	They told me that I wasn't in trouble, but it sure felt like I was.
	I was told that I would need to remove my shirt before I could return to class.
	When I nicely told them that I didn't want to do that, they called my father.
	Thankfully, my dad's support of my decisions came to pick me up.
	What did my shirt say?
	Five simple words.
	There are only two genders.
	Nothing harmful, nothing threatening.
	Just a statement I believe to be a fact.
	I have been told that my shirt was targeting a protected class.
	Who is this protected class?
	Are their feelings more important than my rights?
	I don't complain when I see pride flags and diversity posters hung throughout the school.
	Do you know why?
	Because others have a right to their beliefs just as I do.
	Not one person, staff, or student told me that they were bothered by what I was wearing.
	Actually, just the opposite.
	Several kids told me that they supported my actions and that they wanted one too.
	I experienced... Wait, no.
	I was told that the shirt was a disruption to learning.
	No one got up and stormed out of class.
	No one burst into tears.
	I'm sure I would have noticed if they had.
	I experience disruptions to my learning every day.
	Kids acting out in class are a disruption, yet nothing is done.
	Why do the rules apply to one, yet not another?
	I feel like these adults were telling me that it wasn't okay for me to have an opposing view.
	Their arguments were weak, in my opinion.
	I didn't go to school that day to hurt feelings or cause trouble.
	I have learned a lot from this experience.
	I learned that a lot of other students share my view.
	I learned that adults don't always do the right thing or make the right decisions.
	I know that I have a right to wear a shirt with those five words.
	Even at 12 years old, I have my own political opinions, and I have a right to express those opinions.
	Even at school, this right is called the First Amendment to the Constitution.
	All right.
	This is a C segment.
	Do you want to use that here?
	No.
	Alright.
	Picture it.
	title for Boyle.
	We talked about Biden.
	McCarthy.
	What was the last thing?
	Oh, Tucker.
	Oh.
	Coming with cut seven.
	Coming with cut seven, no liner.
	Biden again.
	Biden again.
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	Is it Ame?
	I believe that's right, yeah.
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	You won.
	It's incredible.
	That man's the president.
	That was today.
	He doesn't even know why he's at the podium.
	He can't even read the text of who he's supposed to be congratulating and then at the end he says, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you won!
	Unbelievable!
	Oh dear.
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	All right, let's go to your calls.
	The number here in studio, 833-33-GORKA.
	Let's go to Sean, New York City.
	Dr. Gorka, good afternoon.
	Greetings.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	Top of the show, you took a clip.
	I think it was Chuck Todd.
	Yes.
	And I think there were a couple of operative words in his query where he was asking the so-called director of Homeland Security What is a secure border to you?
	The operative words are to you.
	Yes.
	So I think he gives himself away as a leftist there because for all leftists, truth is subjective.
	It's not objective.
	So it was the subjective truth to Mallorca.
	It's not the objective truth.
	So do we actually have to go about putting into statutory language what the obvious is?
	Do we have to lay out in a statute the required prongs for a secure border?
	Shouldn't it be objective?
	Shouldn't it be common sense?
	Well, of course, but you're absolutely right.
	It's not a question of, you know, giving away whether he's a leftist or not.
	I mean, Jeff, Chuck Todd was a Democrat staffer, wasn't he?
	Yes, and I think his wife got a bunch of money from the Bernie Sanders campaign.
	Millions of dollars.
	Actually, his wife, he never disclosed this live on air, when he's actually interviewing Bernie Sanders, his wife got millions of dollars as an advisor to the Bernie Sanders campaign.
	So it's not a question, but you're right.
	Let me just make one slight modification, Sean.
	It's not that they don't believe in objective truth.
	Truth, just like for the Central Committee of the Soviet Union, of the Communist Party, is whatever is of utility to them maintaining power.
	Right?
	It's a fine distinction, but it's a very important one.
	Great first call of the week.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Let's go to Judy in Brooklyn.
	Hey, welcome back.
	First of all, I got tears in my eyes when I heard this 12-year-old boy Oh, you heard that.
	We played something in the break.
	We're going to play it on the radio as well.
	So an incredible, young, brave man.
	Liam Morrison at a school board meeting.
	But we'll play that for everybody else.
	What did you call in about?
	Okay, well, it's what he said and how he said it, but you know what?
	I'm calling about two things now.
	I wonder how much these insurrectionist media audience got paid to laugh, quote-unquote, when this bungling Biden sputtered nonsense at that Correspondent.
	Nothing, Judy.
	I'll tell you.
	I'll tell you exactly.
	Nothing.
	Because they don't need to get paid.
	That's the problem.
	If they're getting paid, they're just whores.
	This way, you realize they're cultists.
	They're not getting paid to laugh at Biden's bad jokes.
	Well, who could let... I don't know, but you know what?
	I'm calling really about the Department of Education, Dr. G, and the Teachers Union and whatever, and the Biden administration.
	I want to point out that there's going to be the Biden administration, or Biden, and President Trump.
	Here's the difference.
	The Department of Education is now teaching children they can lie to their parents.
	Did you see just the other day these two teachers in California, they are suing all of them, the Department of Education and the Teachers Union, and I think also Biden's administration, because they're told that they have to lie to the parents And, you know, when they want to transition the children in school, and not tell the parents, and use the pronouns for them, but when the parents come, use their regular names and completely deceive the parents.
	Right.
	Stay on the line, Judy, because I'm not familiar with these teachers who are suing the authorities in California.
	I need more details.
	Give them to Mr. G, because we need to look into that, because that is exciting.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Talked to Tucker at the end there.
	Tucker.
	I worked for Tucker Carlson.
	and this is the dumbest mistake Fox ever made.
	What was the term you used in that segment?
	A convenient truth or a utilitarian truth?
	In which segment?
	Just now, when you were talking about, it's not they believe in objective truth or... Oh!
	Utility.
	It's of utility.
	So if you read the original classified long telegram that became the George Kennan's sources of Soviet conduct, truth is anything that is of utility to the maintenance of power by the Communist Party.
	It's a crucial segment of his analysis.
	That was the bedrock for our plan to defeat the Soviet Union.
	It's not that they don't believe in truth.
	They redefine truth as that which is of utility to the Communist Party.
	And that's the Democrats today, right?
	Because they can change it from one day to the next.
	That's the point.
	All right, 90 seconds, and we have Mr. Solomon.
	Hey, Sam, how are you?
	Hey, good, good, good.
	I want to talk about Hunter Biden rolling up to this paternity hearing about an hour ago.
	What are you working on?
	I think we should be preparing for a Hunter Biden indictment soon.
	Really?
	Like this week, I do.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	I'm getting some body English from the defense camp that it's impending.
	Wow.
	Okay, good.
	Let's talk about that.
	We have the book.
	Is the book out?
	It is it came out today.
	Hidden headlines.
	I went to Philadelphia.
	How cool is that?
	I went to Philadelphia read the kids all week and it was so much fun.
	Oh my god, what a what an incredible thing that pisses me off the most is that that company can't find an American illustrator with the balls to illustrate their books.
	They have to get an Israeli.
	Isn't that crazy?
	We live in such cancer culture.
	Well, that was the purpose of the book, to highlight the dangers of censorship.
	Yeah.
	All right, we'll talk about that.
	30 seconds, standby.
	Thank you, sir.
	All right, you got the audio?
	Audio of my pillow.
	yeah coming in with that you're
	welcome I had a neck problem a couple years ago and the orthopedist couldn't figure it out No one was mystified.
	They said, well, you might have a little arthritis.
	I saw one of Mike's ads.
	I went and got a pillow.
	Two days later, I woke up without a crick for the first time in maybe a year, and I've been crick-free in my neck.
	And I told this recently to my fellow folks.
	It really changed my life, literally.
	I mean, it's an honest story, and my wife will tell you.
	I used to wake up every night in misery with my neck, and now I'm up every day.
	I feel great.
	And I credit my pillows for my release.
	Do you recognize that voice?
	Look, thanks to the good Lord above, I've lived a pretty healthy life.
	I caught COVID three days later.
	I was up and functioning thanks to something called hydroxychloroquine.
	Never really suffered with health issues, but for years I'd get that crick in the neck in the morning.
	And it's not a health issue, but man, it really spoils your mood for the rest of the day.
	Then my pillow comes along.
	Haven't had a crick since then.
	And whose voice was that?
	Yeah, that's the one and only.
	That's Mr. John Solomon.
	John, you just did that.
	I don't want to use that too much when you come on the show because you don't come on the show to help Michael.
	It's a real moment.
	But you were on radio and you just said, let me tell you.
	And I think now and again, every couple of weeks, I'll smuggle that in.
	So guys.
	Yeah.
	I got it.
	I have an update for you.
	I went to a hotel this weekend, and I didn't bring my pillow with me.
	And by Sunday morning, I was the cranky guy with the bad neck.
	And today, it's back to normal.
	But isn't it funny?
	I have to bring it with me.
	I've got my travel pillow.
	I was in California and Arizona this weekend.
	I stuffed it.
	I was last.
	Oh, it's got to put it on my carry-on.
	I've always got it.
	But the crick in the neck thing, it really, it just, you feel like, I feel grouchy all day.
	I do too.
	Yeah.
	No, it's a real thing.
	And like I said, it's annoying, but to have it relieved like I did two, three years ago with my fellow has been such a blessing.
	And I just have to remember to take it on the next trip.
	That's all.
	All right.
	I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to get Mike to make a key ring version, like this big that's on your key ring always.
	Perfect.
	Alright guys, get yours today up to 66% off if you use my name.
	Go to MyPillow.com and don't be grouchy like me and John.
	MyPillow.com, promo code G-O-R-K-A.
	Alright, we've got some big serious news.
	Let's have a little bit of fun before that.
	You mentioned it last week, so excited.
	It happens to be today John Solomon isn't writing about Russian collusion or maybe, maybe Maybe indirectly.
	He's writing about censorship.
	A new kid's book.
	He was reading it this weekend in Philly.
	Let's put it up on the screen.
	It's from those amazing people at Brave Books.
	It's called Hidden Headlines.
	A Seymour Clues mystery.
	Who is Seymour Clues, John?
	So, Seymour Clues is a snooping detective dog, and he meets my son's hamster, Chunk.
	And the hamster publishes a newspaper called Hamster Headlines, and he can't get his news out because the tubes in the hamster community are blocked, i.e., the social media components are blocked.
	And he solves a clue.
	Karl Marx, like Koala Bear, has been blocking the tubes to censor people so that they won't get word of an impending flood.
	And it's a really fun book.
	I wrote this book because I realized when there was no outcry to the censorship that started with me in 2019 with Hunter Biden, then Miranda in 2020, then COVID in 2021, there were two generations of young Americans who weren't taught the First Amendment, weren't taught the Bill of Rights.
	Their teachers had told them maybe censorship was even accessible or acceptable, and I wanted to counter that.
	The next generation is going to get the real story of why the First Amendment was first, and so that's why I wrote the book.
	And you told me offline last weekend, you didn't make this stuff up.
	I mean, your son, he has a hamster, and you almost lost him once, didn't you?
	I did.
	I left the cage open while Josh and Judy were on vacation, and I was mortified.
	I spent the whole night with a stethoscope trying to find him in the floorboards.
	I located him in the HVAC, got him in the cage.
	Judy and Josh had no idea until the next morning when Amanda Head on my TV show told the world I had lost him.
	And he not only did Not only did Chugs become viral, but my wife and son found out pretty quickly.
	Amanda, Amanda, Amanda.
	She got me good.
	It's Hidden Headlines, The Seymour Clues, Sleuth Saga 3 in the series.
	It's got some deep themes in it, but it's a kid's book.
	Check it out right now.
	If you're a grown-up, you should buy that and also his book, Fallout.
	Let's talk about a little bit of Fallout for Hunter Biden, watching the video about 30 minutes ago of him arriving in a court because I guess he's down on his luck because he doesn't have money to pay here the baby mama of the stripper of the child he had.
	This should be a big story.
	I don't know if the mainstream media are going to make it one, but your sources tell you that Hunter could be in even deeper water soon.
	Yeah, I think, listen, I think the team around Hunter Biden, his legal team, and those around him are fearful that an indictment is moving closer, maybe on two or three felonies related to taxes, and a couple misdemeanors as well, maybe one gun charge in that three felonies.
	Again, no one knows for sure until a grand jury does the action, but the team around Hunter Biden, increasingly pessimistic that he's about To face some serious federal charges and that on top of the fact that he had to go and appear in person to explain to a judge why he's not contributing more to his sons in Arkansas' well-being.
	And this is a child that the Biden family has just refused to acknowledge.
	They talk about all their grandchildren except this one.
	But at the end of the day, I think the month of May 2023 could be a month of accountability for the Biden family.
	I'm going to ask you something that, you know, maybe it's impolitic, but, you know, you are.
	You wrote the book on fallout.
	You were indomitable.
	You were dogged for years about getting the truth out there, the corruption, the Russia collusion, falsehoods.
	And we see no justice at the end of that.
	We see, you know, DOJ lawyers who falsified CIA documents get a slap on the wrist that is a felony that should have meant they go to prison.
	They get back on to the DC Bar Association within six months of that prosecution.
	After all that you've seen, John, do you really think that there'll be justice when it comes to Hunter Biden?
	If there is an indictment, it would be historic, right?
	No presidential relative would have ever been indicted at the time that a president was sitting.
	And it would go back and tie back to a business apparatus that we were told in 2019 wasn't a big deal.
	It was totally above board.
	Anyone who suggested something was wrong with it was a conspiracy theorist.
	So it has a greater consequence than just one son facing potential charges.
	It is an indictment of the Biden family's truthfulness.
	They told us there was no there there.
	They wrote a letter in 2020 telling us it was a Russian disinformation operation.
	If this indictment were to come down, and it's a big if until it happens, it would be a statement about the whole Biden family's honesty, including the president who looked in the camera, said there was nothing there, and he had nothing to do with it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	The grown-up book is Fallout, Nuclear Bribes, Russian Spies and the Washington Lies that Enriched the Clinton and Biden Dynasties, but launched today.
	Everybody can enjoy it like a good kid's book.
	Everybody should be able to join it.
	It's hidden headlines.
	A Seymour Clues Mystery by John Solomon and illustrated by Ali El-Zaini.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	CNN person torching Randy Weingartner last week.
	I don't know.
	I think so.
	Um, can you find it for the second hour?
	With just him torching her without her reaction?
	Oh, well, you see her face, but I don't need her response.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's on my Twitter feed, but it'll be like three days ago.
	All right, what do we need to play?
	Actually, play me 11 so I can just see 11, because I never saw it.
	Which one's cut 11?
	Cut 11 is cut 11.
	Oh, the one, hang on.
	The deleted one.
	Hang on, let me put it back.
	Thank you all for letting me speak.
	I believe we are all here for the same reason, which is to make schools a safe place for students and for faculty to thrive.
	So I'm excited to share this space with you.
	But, like I said, I am Maxwell.
	I am trans.
	I am a gay baby.
	My pronouns are they, them.
	What are yours?
	I'm here to ask you to vote no on HB 466.
	Speaking before you today is a 27-year-old drag artist that lives every day to secure kindness, validation, love, and acceptance for the wounded child that still feels closeted inside me.
	For the inner child that remembers feeling alone and alien in school.
	Thank you.
	Making sense out of today's nonsense.
	Here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka. - Yeah.
	I love the Babylon Bee.
	Is it satire?
	Sometimes it isn't.
	But they're starting to make videos to, well look, humor is one of the most powerful weapons we conservatives fail to adequately employ.
	And this was sent to me by one of you.
	We love it when we get content from you.
	Things that we might have missed.
	There's a lot of good stuff out there.
	This is the Babylon Bee's latest video on, well, insanity.
	I'd like a tattoo of this really awesome Chinese symbol that I saw.
	We're definitely going to need your parents to come sign off on that tattoo.
	Why can't I do what I want?
	It's my body, my choice.
	Because you're 14.
	Tattoos are permanent.
	You're going to regret it one day.
	Can I just buy some of those cigarettes?
	No way.
	Smoking is so bad for you.
	How about a beer?
	No.
	A vape pen?
	No.
	A lighter?
	Not in this state.
	Can I rent a car?
	Sorry.
	Bottled cough syrup?
	What are you, a drunk?
	Fireworks?!
	You might blow yourself up!
	That Ruger GP100 and a box of 38 specials?
	You might shoot your eye out!
	Can I just... I don't know.
	Like, get an irreversible gender surgery?
	No problem!
	We'll get started right away.
	Oh, uh, cool.
	I don't need my parents' permission.
	Of course not.
	What if they're not affirming?
	What if they're not affirming?
	It's humor, but...
	It's actually true, isn't it?
	16-year-old, 15-year-old, can't get a tattoo, can't buy a beer, can't buy a gun, but they can have fully healthy parts of their body removed Hi, Dr. Corker.
	Pleasure to talk to you.
	And that's okay, because, hey, we're gender-affirming.
	It's the devil's work.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Bill, New York City, line one.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Pleasure to talk to you.
	I had an idea for a new T-shirt focusing again on Hunter Biden and this Russian disinformation laptop scandal and the letter that was signed by the 51 intelligence professionals.
	The big headline is Depose the 51 Unlocking.
	I'd like to see them subpoenaed and brought into Congress.
	And a graphic that could go with that would be an open laptop with little headshots of the 51 surrounding Secretary of State Blinken, who is responsible for ginning up that letter.
	In 2020, when he worked on the Biden campaign... Yeah, look, Bill, I like the idea, but to most Americans, when you say, depose the 51, they have no idea what you're talking about.
	Even if you show the photographs, they have no idea.
	Most people, if you show Blinken's photograph, they have no idea.
	He's such a great man.
	For me, I like that t-shirt, but we need to have t-shirts and narrative products that everybody can relate to.
	One's like, yeah, The FBI t-shirt, our third hottest selling one, jointly released with Chris Platt, that says, Fascist Bureau of Intimidation.
	The hottest selling item is what?
	It's not even a t-shirt, it's a flag that says, I stand with 45, Trump 2024.
	I like the idea, but we need to get the message out there.
	Go right now, sebgorkastore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-B-GorkaStore.com.
	Thank you.
	What is the director of the CIA doing hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein before he committed suicide in that cell where there were no cameras.
	A third bank going down in America and Chuck Todd, I didn't know this, he is now a biologist.
	At least according to the interview Vivek Ramaswamy had with him.
	You won't believe the audio or the video.
	Hour two, America first.
	Be there.
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	Speaking on behalf of millions of American parents.
	Thank you.
	Speaking on behalf of millions of American parents, I have four at home.
	I had to teach them at home.
	My wife had to teach them at home.
	I am stunned at what you have said this week about your claiming to have Wanted to reopen schools.
	I think most, you'll find that most parents believe you were the tip of the spear of school closures.
	There are numerous statements you made over the summer of 20, scaring people to death about the possibility of opening schools.
	And I hear no remorse whatsoever about the generational damage that's been done to these kids.
	I have two kids with learning differences.
	Do you know how hard it is for them to learn at home and not in a classroom that was designed for them?
	And for you to sit in front of Congress and the American people and say, Oh, I wanted to open them the whole time.
	I am shocked.
	I'm stunned.
	I'm stunned.
	done and there are millions of parents who feel the exact same way.
	Thank you.
	It's such a bubble.
	It's really quite remarkable.
	We know they lie.
	We know they're extremists.
	We know they're radicals.
	But they also live in this incredibly insular, incestuous bubble.
	How do I know that?
	If you're a normal person who lived in a normal world, after you stood there at a conference and said, I am the science, Criticizing me is like criticizing science.
	The blowback those comments resulted in, in the normal media, in the truth-telling media, that how on earth does one man, what does he think, he's a god?
	Think that he represents science?
	You'd never ever talk about yourself as a scientist that mustn't be questioned again in the future.
	You'd never get on your high horse if you're a normal person who had some sense of the world around you.
	But not Anthony Fauci.
	Listen to what he's just said about the COVID virus and the Wuhan lab.
	He's in a bubble.
	Cut six.
	And the two possibilities, as you know, lab leak versus natural occurrence.
	Having said that, with an open mind, as a scientist, I have to look at the data and say, although either is possible, that doesn't necessarily mean they're equally probable.
	And if you look at the data that's been accumulating over the last year, several months, even most recently, it's pointing much more strongly towards a natural occurrence.
	It hasn't been definitively shown.
	So as long as that still remains the situation, you must entertain the possibility of both.
	And that's exactly where I stand.
	So, just for the sake of the truth, the second half of that is a lie.
	If you follow the data, everything, everything we know in the last 18 months points towards the lab.
	Everything.
	Not a natural occurrence.
	And the first half is just the audacity, the temerity to say, as a scientist, I have to follow the facts.
	Well, he didn't for two years.
	He didn't follow the facts on masking.
	He didn't follow the facts on ivermectin.
	He didn't follow the facts on hydroxy.
	He didn't follow the facts on whether or not children were in danger.
	He didn't follow the facts on closing down schools.
	He didn't follow the facts on whether or not shutting down businesses had any effect.
	So, He's a liar, but he also lives in the smallest of iron-clad, Kevlar-clad bubbles it's possible to imagine.
	But worst of all, no remorse.
	None.
	He's not alone, though.
	The head of one of the biggest teaching unions in America is Randy Weingarten.
	And on CNN, one of their token rhinos had had enough.
	Jeff, who is this guy that takes it to Randy recently?
	It's Scott Jennings.
	And who is he?
	He's an ex-Bush guy on his website, because I looked him up before, because he always talks about how DeSantis is the only one that can win, that Trump can't.
	He, on his own bio, he talks about how he served under top Bush strategist Karl Rove, and he's very proud of the role that he played in three elections with majority leader Mitch McConnell.
	Wow.
	I mean, that's another bubble, isn't it, Jeff?
	That you say you're a conservative, but you're actually boasting about working for Mitch McConnell and that great man Karl Rove.
	Yeah, his bio basically would be like a hit piece that we would write, but he's proud of it.
	All right, well, this rhino who believes in DeSantis and I'm sure McCain, the ghost of McCain and everybody else, he was on CNN with, if you're watching, pay attention to her face because I don't think anybody's ever done this to her when it comes to her lies about whether or not she wanted to shut down schools.
	In Congress last week she said, I was always against that!
	No, she was actually shutting them down.
	Let's play this cut.
	Speaking on behalf of millions of American parents, I have four at home.
	I had to teach them at home.
	My wife had to teach them at home.
	I am stunned at what you have said this week about your claiming to have Wanted to reopen schools.
	I think most you'll find that most parents believe you were the tip of the spear of school closures.
	There are numerous statements you made over the summer of 20 scaring people to death about the possibility of opening schools.
	And I hear no remorse whatsoever about the generational damage that's been done to these.
	I have two kids with learning differences.
	Do you know how hard it is for them to learn at home and not in a classroom that was designed for them?
	And for you to sit in front of Congress and the American people and say, oh, I wanted to open them the whole time.
	I am shocked.
	I'm stunned.
	I'm stunned.
	And there are millions of parents who feel the exact same way.
	Now, if a rhino can do that, it's great.
	We'll post the video on my social media.
	Well, then what about the rest of us who actually are patriots?
	What about 12 year old boys?
	This video is now going viral.
	It's from the Middleborough Massachusetts School District and it's Liam Morrison talking about What he believes in and how he's getting censored.
	It's not about COVID, but it can be about anything.
	It's about a t-shirt he wore to school.
	Man, could you imagine if just 20% of the people in Capitol Hill had the guts of this 12 year old boy?
	Let's play.
	Good evening.
	My name is Liam Morrison.
	I live at 519 Wareham Street.
	I'm in the 7th, 10th grade at Nichols Middle School.
	I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you today.
	I never thought that the shirt I wore to school on March 21st would lead me to speak with you today.
	On that Tuesday morning, I was taken out of gym class to sit down with two adults for what turned out to be a very uncomfortable talk.
	I was told that people were complaining about the words on my shirt, that my shirt was making some students feel unsafe.
	Yes.
	Wears on a shirt made people feel unsafe.
	They told me that I wasn't in trouble, but it sure felt like I was.
	I was told that I would need to remove my shirt before I could return to class.
	When I nicely told them that I didn't want to do that, they called my father.
	Thankfully, my dad's support of my decisions came to pick me up.
	What did my shirt say?
	Five simple words.
	There are only two genders.
	Nothing harmful, nothing threatening.
	Just a statement I believe to be a fact.
	I have been told that my shirt was targeting a protected class.
	Who is this protected class?
	Are their feelings more important than my rights?
	I don't complain when I see pride flags and diversity posters hung throughout the school.
	Do you know why?
	Because others have a right to their beliefs just as I do.
	Not one person, staff, or student told me that they were bothered by what I was wearing.
	Actually, just the opposite.
	Several kids told me that they supported my actions and that they wanted one too.
	I experienced... Wait, no.
	I was told that the shirt was a disruption to learning.
	No one got up and stormed out of class.
	No one burst into tears.
	I'm sure I would have noticed if they had.
	I experience disruptions to my learning every day.
	Kids acting out in class are a disruption, yet nothing is done.
	Why do the rules apply to one, yet not another?
	I feel like these adults were telling me that it wasn't okay for me to have an opposing view.
	Their arguments were weak, in my opinion.
	I didn't go to school that day to hurt feelings or cause trouble.
	I have learned a lot from this experience.
	I learned that a lot of other students share my view.
	I learned that adults don't always do the right thing or make the right decisions.
	I know that I have a right to wear a shirt with those five words.
	Even at 12 years old, I have my own political opinions and I have a right to express those opinions.
	Even at school, this right is called the First Amendment to the Constitution.
	Wow.
	I'm gonna say it again.
	Liam Morrison.
	Age 12.
	Middleborough School District in Massachusetts.
	Arik, what if, um... What if the rhinos on Capitol Hill had the cojones of that 12-year-old kid?
	Oh, goodness.
	I like to think that they would still be in power.
	That they would have the majority in Congress by now.
	If they were like him.
	Geoff, do you think we can get him on the show?
	I mean, we had Mini AOC, remember?
	It would be good.
	We'd have to get his parents' permission though.
	No, we'd have his parents.
	That's just another thing I'm bringing up that you have to get parents' permission for.
	That we've been talking about today.
	Right!
	Right!
	If you're a young girl that wants to have her breasts removed, you don't need the parents' permission in parts of America.
	Yeah, but to come on a radio show if you're under the age of 18.
	Nicely done, Jeff.
	I saw what you did there.
	You had to explain it to me for a second, but it was good.
	Yeah, that's why we have the best team.
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	That was good.
	You're quick like that.
	It's unbelievable.
	Because I was actually thinking, that video of all the things you have to get parents' permission for, I was actually thinking about that before.
	He actually gives his address at the beginning so you can just look him up.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know I saw that.
	All right.
	Oh, we've got Todd here.
	Okay.
	I'm going to use the Alejandro card again.
	I just sent you his latest about the Texas thing.
	Oh, okay, thank you.
	And his book, America's Covert Border War.
	Oh, wow.
	Let me read some details from that story.
	Yep, three minutes.
	Alex, can you find me an image or a video posting of, they showed it on Fox, of Hunter walking into the courtroom today?
	Just text it to me.
	Thanks.
	Oh, my gosh, this Boyle article is so big.
	Well, I was scrolling through it for the rundown this morning.
	I was like, yeah, that's gotta be the biggest Breitbart article I've ever seen.
	It was like a Daily Mail article.
	Hey, how are you doing?
	Thank you.
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	Alright, a shocking story I want to share with you.
	This is the Daily Mail's write-up from Harriet Alexander.
	The FBI has confirmed that more than 250 law enforcement officers are hunting for an illegal immigrant.
	How come a British newspaper can use the phrase illegal immigrant?
	That's weird.
	How come the mainstream media can't use that?
	Hunting for an illegal immigrant who shot and killed five people on Friday, insisting they would not rest until he was caught.
	Francisco Oropesa, 38, opened fire on his neighbors in Cleveland, Texas, marched into their house, turned the guns on them, including an eight-year-old child.
	The FBI, who are just corrupt, used the wrong photograph in the wanted poster they released on Sunday and also spelt Oropesa's name wrong.
	They can hunt down, you know, grandmas after January 6th but they can't get an illegal immigrant murder of fives photograph and name right.
	The reward has just been increased for the capture of this man for information leading to his arrest to $80,000.
	But you need to know the real story about it.
	And that's why we're going to talk to our special guest, Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Good to be here, thank you.
	So, your organization has just sent me this article about this case.
	Texas massacre happened in America's largest illegal immigrant colonia.
	What is that, Todd?
	Explain what needs to be understood.
	Well, the place where this happened is no stranger at all to absolutely heinous crimes.
	For the last five years, the community in and around Liberty and San Jacinto counties have drawn upwards of 75,000 illegal immigrants to settle there, buying parcels of land and settling in a community that looks very much like Mexico or someplace in Central America that I visited.
	Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants have moved there.
	This is the largest congregation of illegal immigrants in the nation.
	And I find it very curious that none of the media reporting will talk about this, because this is a concentration where it was a rural community.
	You know, people went to school on horseback and, you know, it was just, you know, dug each other's wells, very thickly forested.
	And now there's about 40 square miles of illegal immigrants living in ramshackle huts and tar paper buildings and all kinds of different, you know, dwellings and have overwhelmed the school district.
	And the kind of crime that they brought with them includes like last year, which got no publicity, where one of them, you know, chained two
	Women to a bed for a week and raped them constantly and killed one of them the other one managed to escape But he caught her and burned the car up with her inside of it Just a few weeks ago to middle school Boys were found riddled to death in a car in the same community drug dealing This is cartel territory.
	All the cartels are represented in this area, doing drug trafficking, smuggling.
	ICE won't go near it.
	How do I know so much about this?
	Because I dedicate an entire chapter of my new book, Overrun, the final chapter, to that very community where this happened.
	And I'm waiting for the media to talk about the other stuff that's been going on here for several years now, at least.
	All right, this is too, too important.
	The book is overrun.
	Everybody needs to get it right now.
	You need to follow Todd on social media and the Center for Immigration Studies.
	I want you to, it's benjamintodd and it's cis.org.
	I want you to come back and we need to go deep dive on that chapter in the book.
	Will you do that?
	Sure.
	In the meantime, just expand a little bit on This isn't immigration.
	I'm an immigrant.
	Immigrants want to become part of the country they choose.
	This has nothing to do with immigration, does it, Todd?
	This is creating mini hellholes inside our nation that reflect the hellholes these people come from, correct?
	Right.
	And you have to draw a distinction, a very important distinction, between Legal immigration and illegal immigration.
	The people that are in this community by and large are illegal immigrants who are not incentivized in any way to do anything more than just earn as much money as they can while they can and send it home.
	This is about remittances and you know staying as long as you can before and so you're not invested In America in the same way as somebody who is a legal immigrant.
	Plus, you broke the law getting in here on your very first brush with the country, which tells us that you don't respect our country or its laws, as far as I'm concerned.
	And so, you know, you are at risk at some point of being deported.
	You know, after this administration, of course.
	But we've had almost 5 million people cross over that border and be allowed in.
	Is this the only colonia in America of unintegrated criminals and illegal immigrants?
	It's the biggest one.
	But it's not the only one.
	No, in Texas, you know, the Texas passed a law some years ago, maybe 10 years ago, to regulate colonias out of existence.
	They were mostly shanty towns that would form along the southern border on the Texas side.
	But anything that's outside of a hundred mile radius is good to go.
	And that's what happened here.
	This is about 40, 50 miles northeast of Houston, Texas.
	And it is this sprawling—they clear-cut the forest.
	It is utterly just sprawling as far as the eye can see, going up by the tune of 20,000 lots every six months.
	It is absolutely booming.
	People are coming from all over the country.
	People are coming from the border to live there because ICE is gone.
	There's nobody there.
	It's a free zone for illegal immigrants.
	And it's no surprise, when I talk to people for the book, I interviewed a lot of the people that live in the community, and they talk about how at night, especially on weekends, it's nothing but gunfire to the horizon all night long.
	This incident, this five person and child murder, occurred because the neighbors wanted him to stop firing his rifle next to their home.
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	Mike's up.
	All right.
	Title for that one?
	Um, the truth about, um, what are they calling it?
	Is it like a, is there a place in Texas?
	What are they calling that?
	They call it a colonia.
	Um, the truth about illegal alien colonias or something like that.
	The illegal alien colonies in America, because nobody will know what colonies are.
	That's a good one, yeah.
	Colonies in America.
	Alright.
	I forgot which segment we were in for a moment.
	I need a buffer from the banking story.
	The one about Republic being bought out?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then block the lines.
	My pillow.
	Thank you.
	All right, I'm going to use the cut four here.
	4, okay.
	I'm still looking for the headline.
	Well, that's for the next segment.
	I'm going to want to talk to you, Geoff.
	What did you say?
	I'm going to want to talk to you about it, Vic.
	Vic.
	Knee deep in the swamp.
	First place in your hearts.
	America First with Dr. G. All right, don't go anywhere.
	Pam, Randy, Susan, Dave.
	We love it when the ladies call in, especially on a Monday.
	But first, got to share with you probably the best cut of the day, in a good way, because we had some pretty bad ones.
	Mr. G, where do you place Vivek Ramaswamy right now in the whole You know, political match that is the primaries.
	What's his role?
	What do you make of it all?
	I like him.
	A lot of people don't know who he is yet.
	That's why his poll numbers are still very low.
	He's going to get a lot of attention at the debates.
	I think he is a huge problem for DeSantis, because for DeSantis to win, he needs every one of the anti-Trump votes, plus more.
	And not all the people that kind of like Trump, but they like his policies, but they don't like the personality that are turned off of him.
	They're the people that are going for DeSantis.
	DeSantis is going to get 100% of them.
	When they see a guy like Vivek Ramaswamy, who's pretty good, and actually was a businessman, not a politician more.
	Who does that sound more like?
	Trump.
	He's going to take a good amount of people from DeSantis.
	And his eventual role?
	What happens to Vivek in like two years time?
	I like to see him in the cabinet with Trump or some type of position.
	I want to see him as the new Jared Kushner, the guy that does the business innovation, the really, you know, bringing for-profit concepts of efficiency into government.
	What he did on Meet the Press with regards to DeSantis and Disney, He may not have known what the nuclear triad was a month ago, but man alive, Vivek skewered, skewered the governor of Florida for his, let's just say it, shenanigans.
	Cut four.
	Here's where Ron DeSantis really lost it here.
	He's gone on the wrong path.
	He claimed, and this part actually sounded good to me, Disney should have never had crony capitalist lobbying-related privileges in the first place.
	Here's the part he doesn't mention.
	One of those crony capitalist privileges was, and I think the most relevant one, Was codified into law by none other than Ron DeSantis in 2021.
	So Florida passed this political anti-discrimination statute, which I applauded at the time, said if you operate internet companies, this includes streaming services like Disney does, that you can't engage in viewpoint discrimination.
	Now here's the funny, dirty little secret of that.
	They wrote into a last minute exception into that law for anyone who also operates a theme park more than 25 acres in the state of Florida.
	That's crony capitalism, and so the irony is Ron DeSantis, who's now railing against crony capitalism and rolling that back, was the one who actually passed that into law for the case of Disney.
	So I think that undermines the credibility of his crusade.
	I prefer to get to root causes rather than doing political stunts.
	Eric, if that happens on a debate stage, if Yvek says, hang on, you're supposed to be stopping crony capitalism, but you had an escape clause for Disney, isn't he toast?
	I think that will be, for our side, the equivalent of what happened in 2020 when Kamala Harris was on the rise and then Tulsi Gabbard just came in and ended her career.
	And it's going to be like that.
	It's going to be great.
	All right, I've texted Vivek.
	He wants to come back on the show.
	We'll get him back on the show this week.
	In the meantime, what's the most important part?
	It's not presidential candidates.
	It's you!
	Let's go to line one, King of Prussia, Pam.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	MAGA.
	MAGA?
	So, as I was driving to work the other day... What if we shook hands?
	What if patriots shook each other's hands while they said MAGA?
	Like a form of greeting, like you just did.
	MAGA!
	That's the way to go.
	Alright, I love it.
	What's your idea?
	What's your comment?
	So, I have a t-shirt or a flag for you.
	On my way to work the other day, I drive a school bus, I'm taking kids to school, and somebody in a dirt, on the dirty back of a truck used their finger and wrote, Joe Biden is compromised.
	And I was like, that's so simple and so perfect.
	I have to call Dr. Gorka.
	Hang on.
	I've heard that before.
	You saw it on the back of a truck.
	Joe Biden is compromised.
	It's a very simple message.
	I'm thinking if it's just the words or if we have an image, but I love it.
	Stay on the line, Pam.
	If she doesn't have, if she has Defeating Jihad, give her another one of the books, but she deserves a signed book.
	Nicely done, Pam.
	Thanks for spreading the message.
	And maggot to you.
	Randy Knoxville, line two.
	Hey, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey, I wanted to let you know, I'm coming on four years here in Knoxville, Tennessee.
	I lived down in Atlanta for many years.
	And just in this matter of a couple of years, there's such an increase in the Hispanic population that I see driving around.
	I'm in the home improvement business.
	I'm a house painter.
	This big, nice lake community, all around here is lakes.
	The Tennessee Valley Authority, it's beautiful and all.
	We're all filled up, everybody out there in Radioland.
	There's no more room, so don't bother.
	Right now, here's this colony stuff y'all were talking about.
	Yeah, the Colonios.
	They're building a giant chicken processing facility for pharmaceuticals.
	Embryos, chicken eggs, not for eating chickens.
	This giant Mexican conglomerate is bringing in their own workers from Mexico.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	This is fascinating.
	Stay on the line.
	I want the details.
	Try and give Mr. G the name of the plant and the location because bringing in Mexican workers, that's what Communist China does when they build plants overseas.
	We need to know more about that.
	And I don't want to run out of time.
	So Randy, stay on the line and Mr. G will get the details and then we shall look into it.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Maybe DeSantos will skip the debates at this rate, who knows?
	No, no, no.
	I still think he's probably not gonna run, but that's just me.
	Really?
	At this point, he just keeps tripping over his own feet!
	Like, he can't stop screwing up!
	You raised too much money.
	No.
	I mean, he could always run in the future, just not this time.
	I'm saying that- What is he gonna do, sit on that money?
	You are technically allowed to do that with campaign money, right?
	Yeah, but it's just sitting there, right?
	right?
	It's too tempting.
	All right, so do we have the thing?
	Expression 2.
	Go ahead and show it to him, guy.
	Yeah, the Breitbart headline.
	First Republic.
	Next one. Next one.
	Next one.
	Next one.
	Next one. Next one. Next one. Next one. Next one. Next one. Next one.
	Next one. Next one. Next one. Next one.
	The End
	Sir, you're saying that billionaires should not exist.
	Are you basically saying that once you get to 999 million dollars that the government should confiscate all the rest?
	I'm saying that we should go back to a very progressive tax policy like what we had under Dwight D. Eisenhower.
	Which would mean that over a billion dollars basically it all goes to the government?
	You may disagree with me, but I think people can make it on $999 million.
	But why do you get to decide, Bernie?
	That's what I want to know, because the next person could say, well, anybody who has four homes and is a millionaire, well, they should get their property taken away from them.
	Like you Bernie.
	Utter insanity.
	He's always been a communist.
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	So there I am, traversing the nation.
	Going first to the desert of Arizona to shoot some guns.
	And then rolling into California.
	Awful experience arriving at the little airport in Ontario, California.
	Delayed for an hour there.
	Get to the hotel and there's a long flipping line to check in.
	But it's okay!
	Because my buddy's there!
	Steve Moore, have you survived your travails and your travels?
	Well, Sebastian, it was great to see you this weekend at the Salem radio show festivities.
	And there must have been 800 people in that room.
	And I didn't even think there were 800 conservatives in the whole state of California.
	Yeah.
	And the fact that we're not even in the north, we're like, you know, 40 minutes from L.A.
	and we had almost a thousand people there with Jennifer Horne, Grant Stinchfield, Larry Elder.
	It was amazing.
	You were one of the star speakers.
	I got to be your warm up act.
	Yeah, well, no, it was a team effort.
	It was the Unite the Inland Empire team effort.
	Sadly, it wasn't enough to see you two days ago at the weekend.
	I called you up today to say, what is going on in Biden's America?
	It's not just commies like Bernie.
	Let's put the headline out from Breitbart.
	Another bank has gone south.
	First Republic, JP Morgan stepped in, scooped it up.
	Are the regional banks Completely.
	Are they just open season on regional banks now?
	And how does this affect the average American, Stephen?
	Well, I think there may be more shoes to drop here.
	You know, we saw Silicon Valley Bank and now First Republic failing and being bought up.
	You know, the sharks are eating up the minnows now in the banking industry.
	And by the way, this is partly a result of federal regulations that reward bigness.
	All right.
	over the small banks.
	I mean, I go back to Jimmy Stewart and it's a wonderful life with a little building and loan, you know, down the corner on Main Street.
	And I'm very worried, Sebastian, that those days may be coming to an end where we're going to have four super banks, you know, and and then they're going to be by the way, when they get that big, then they become too big to fail.
	And then you get this incestuous relationship between big government and big banks.
	So I don't want to see that happen.
	Well, let's get a little bit philosophical for a second.
	This is why so many youngsters think they hate capitalism, because they associate this cronyism with capitalism.
	The idea of too big to fail, that's not capitalist, is it, Stephen?
	Stephen Box: No, that's the opposite of capitalism.
	I mean, you should, I believe as a capitalist, if you make money and you make a product and a company that sells things that people want, you know, it's called voluntary exchange, Sebastian.
	It's not a complicated thing.
	If you're selling something at a price and I want to buy it, by definition, we're both better off.
	And so that's the magic of the free enterprise system.
	And we are moving way, way too closely to a system where you have the government just intervening in all these industries.
	I mean, look at, for example, the energy industry.
	There would be no, you know, you wouldn't see all these windmills and solar panels if the government were just throwing money at these things.
	You know, you might have some, I'm not against, you know, renewable energy, but I am against the government just massively, you know, putting its finger on the, on the scale and saying, okay, we're gonna have this and not that.
	And my worry with the banks, by the way, is I want to, I want to make sure your listeners understand why some of these banks are in trouble.
	A lot of them held government bonds at maybe two or 3% interest rates.
	Well, guess what?
	Because of all the Biden inflation, the Fed has had to raise the interest rate to 5%.
	So that means the value of those bonds on their balance sheets continue to fall, and that's put a lot of these moderate-sized banks into a real dangerous situation financially.
	So the government has bad monetary policy, the banks are stupid, and so the taxpayer foots the bill.
	Well, you left out one part of that chain.
	Congress spends the money.
	Then the Fed has to print all this money.
	And that's why, by the way, I feel that I'm very much in the corner of of Speaker McCarthy here.
	And we cannot agree to a budget deal that just gives Joe Biden an unlimited credit card.
	And that's what he wants.
	He just says, I'm not going to negotiate with you people, even though we have a divided government.
	You know, we have a Republican control of Congress.
	And he says he's not going to negotiate.
	And then he says, we're the threats to democracy.
	Bingo, bingo.
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	Title for that one.
	First Republic won't be the last bank they swallow up.
	Okay, what did I miss here?
	We played nine, right?
	Biden, yes.
	We played that with Boyle, I think.
	Yeah.
	We've played eight.
	We played them all, except Lightfoot.
	Did we play Lightfoot?
	We never got around to Lightfoot with Matt.
	You were going to do it with Matt, but we never did.
	Oh, that's right.
	It's a shorter cut, so you could do it here.
	Yeah, I'll take calls.
	Do you have all the titles?
	Uh, yes I do.
	Thank you.
	Stigall, ins and outs.
	Oh, okay, good.
	Stay with us for more from my buddy Chris Stigall after these messages.
	We'll continue our one-on-one with our Salem star Chris Stigall in a moment.
	More one-on-one with our radio buddy Chris Stigall after these messages.
	Welcome back to America First with me, Sebastian Gorka, and AM 990's Chris de Gaulle.
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	Constitution, America first.
	They've been so very, very patient.
	We'll get to Susan and Dave right now, but just a quick update.
	I wanted to promise you the top of the show.
	This is from Newsmax.com.
	CIA Director William Burns, lawyer Catherine Rumler, who worked for Obama, and Bard College President Leon Botstein and Noam Chomsky all had plans to meet with Jeffrey Epstein.
	What is the director of the CIA doing?
	Meeting with Jeffrey Epstein?
	Huh.
	I'm posting the article on my feed to make sure you are following us on all our social media platforms.
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	Susan, California, line three.
	Well, hello there.
	It's so nice to talk to you.
	I talked to you before.
	I love your show.
	Thank you.
	I'm a livid mama.
	And I am so upset about what's going on in this country and the whole, everything, allowing children to do the transgender surgery and everything.
	And I just, I just wanted to share with you, I had a friend call me who also, we're both moms, I have a 17-year-old, she has twins that are, I believe they're 16, and she was calling Blue Shield today to get some providers, doctors that are covered under the network for her daughter.
	And she was told, oh no, I'm sorry, your daughter has to call and request that, because she's over 12.
	And then my friend said, well, can her dad?
	And she said, no, no.
	Request what?
	What was the request for?
	She just wants to get the name of providers for her to go to that are covered under the Blue Cross Blue Shield.
	Hang on, Blue Cross Blue Shield said a 12-year-old has to be the person?
	That's what she said, the Blue Shield person online said she's over 12, so she needs to authorize that herself.
	And I just thought, this is just so crazy.
	I'm livid.
	And I just, it's like, I try to share, extreme liberals, and if people don't wake up, And start voting to get rid of this craziness.
	Our country is going to hell faster than we can both our lives.
	I need more details.
	Stay on the line, Jeff.
	See if you can get any more details, Susan.
	That makes me livid, and I want to find out more.
	Dave, Arizona, line four.
	Ultra Mega Warrior, dittos from Maricopa County, sir.
	God bless you.
	What's your question, your comment?
	We've only got a minute.
	Yeah, I need to double what Stephen Moore mentioned.
	The bank bailouts are like everything else.
	It's a form of money law, stealing from taxpayers to give to the ultra rich.
	Everything we go through.
	I have an issue with that language.
	It's not money laundering from you and me to the ultra-rich because that's a kind of Marxist argument.
	It's from us to the cronies, the cronies, the political ultra-rich.
	It's not all the rich because That would make anybody who's successful evil.
	No.
	It's the lobbyists.
	It's the people who can buy the lobbyists.
	And that's a very special difference.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	next up on Buddy Mr. Reagan.
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	She walks in a mind.
	Impressive.
	Most impressive.
	See things you people wouldn't believe.
	I want to talk to God.
	Let's go see him together.
	Space.
	Let's go see him again.
	Space.
	The final frontier.
	These are the continuing voyages of the Starship Enterprise.
	Their ongoing mission, to explore strange new worlds.
	To seek out new life forms and new civilizations.
	To boldly go where no man has gone before.
	Well, did you enjoy this episode of Making Movies Great Again?
	We're starting backwards.
	Why?
	Because we can.
	Because it's our show.
	And because it's Spock.
	Why is Spock reading the intro to the OG, the original Star Trek TV series?
	Because it's the end of the second movie.
	The best ever!
	Star Trek true to the wrath of Khan.
	And I'm delighted to celebrate it.
	I could do this for days.
	With my co-host in making movies great again.
	He is the host of the Mr. Reagan channel on YouTube and the Alpha Critic.
	He's on the road today at an undisclosed location.
	Chris Coles, I have one question.
	Just how much did you enjoy this movie?
	I gotta say, this isn't just the best Star Trek film ever made.
	This is a true classic of cinema.
	This is a magnificent production.
	And I gotta say, I'm not- And you're not just saying that to be nice to me, right?
	No, no, this is a genuine gem.
	This is absolutely a brilliant movie, with a brilliant script.
	You know, I care more about script than anything else.
	Because I'm a writer, and to me, narrative is the key.
	And we'll get into it as we go forward this hour, but I will say this, this is a truly brilliant script.
	Yeah, it's written by a guy, well the producer wrote the draft script, and then along comes a guy, Nicholas Meyer, who'd written a very successful book about Sherlock Holmes, then made one movie, and they give him this, and Chris, Nicholas Meyer had never seen any Star Trek.
	Wow, well he must have done some research.
	He did!
	No he did, he did.
	Because this, I will say that this feels more like any other Star Trek film, Or project, except for obviously the original series, and Next Generation was pretty, I think, pretty good with regard to this sort of episodic idea of meeting a villain, fighting the villain, this kind of thing, this sort of episodic feeling.
	This film has that more than anything else, Star Trek.
	I mean, this felt like the original series in film form, beautifully shot.
	I will say, I'm not in an undisclosed location.
	I am at the best hotel in Vegas.
	I don't know if you can see that.
	What is that?
	What is that bottle?
	Who is it from?
	It's the... Oh my gosh!
	Would he say hello to the boss?
	He's in the Trump Hotel!
	I'm in the Trump Hotel in Vegas.
	It's a beautiful hotel.
	Whenever I land in Vegas, and I only go every year for the shot show, for the gun show, as soon as my car, as soon as I get close to the strip and I see Trump Tower, I have to take a photograph.
	Every flipping time.
	It's the same photograph.
	Beautiful tower.
	From the same angle every year.
	I just say, Yeah, I'm in Trump City.
	Well, I'm here for, Nerdrotic is having a meetup here in Vegas and I live relatively close and I have some friends here in Vegas.
	They said come down, hang out with Gary from Nerdrotic.
	I don't know if you watch that YouTube channel.
	Oh, I know, I know, because he does live streams with a great critic, Critical Drinker.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They're both fantastic.
	I mean, I watch Gary's show every time he airs something, so I thought I'd come down and see him.
	We met up again last night, and good man.
	Fantastic to see him in person, and great to be here at the Trump Hotel.
	If you're a leftist and you're boycotting Trump Hotels, you are missing out.
	Trump Hotels are fantastic.
	I don't know why anyone would ever not come here.
	I'm sorry, the former Trump Hotel in D.C.
	which my buddy Chris Plant used to call the best, what did he call it?
	The best room, the best bar with a TV in it in D.C.
	That hotel, I stayed in it one weekend for a charity event.
	One of the nicest hotels I've ever stayed in.
	Yeah, that's true for me.
	I've never stayed in the one in DC, but I've stayed in the one in Chicago, and one of the best hotels I've ever been in.
	Really.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, back to the movie.
	Back to the movie.
	So, well, let's just play one of the opening scenes.
	It's so amazing.
	It's a young Vulcan, played by the amazing Kirstie Alley, looking the best she's ever looked, playing a Vulcan, and it's her attempt to beat the Kobayashi Maru.
	Torpedoes activated.
	Alert.
	Evasive action.
	Engineering, damage report.
	Main energizer hit, Captain.
	Engage auxiliary power.
	Prepare to return fire.
	Fuel's collapsing, Captain.
	Fire all phasers.
	Shoot the last one, Captain.
	Fire all phasers.
	No power to the weapons, Captain.
	Captain, it's no use.
	We're dead in space.
	Activate escape, boss.
	Send out the log boy.
	All hands abandon ship.
	Repeat, all hands abandon ship.
	All right, open her up.
	Any suggestions, Admiral?
	Prayer, Mr. Sandvik.
	The Klingons don't take prisoners.
	Lights.
	What a... I mean, I know it's like, you know, a kind of contrivance.
	It's the... They wanted to fake people out because of the rumors that Spock gets killed in the movie.
	So they want to fake his death as a training exercise at the beginning.
	But what an amazing scene to open a movie and that shot lit from behind Admiral Kirk.
	It's a fun way to begin.
	And let's make sure we remember to note that Christy Alley is one of our great allies, one of the few Hollywood types that feels the courage to stand up for her convictions.
	I don't know if I agree with everything that she says, but she is definitely somebody who's willing to stand up against the Hollywood leftism.
	She's a good conservative.
	We love Christy Alley here.
	Yeah, we lost her earlier this year.
	Very, very sad news.
	I think she was maybe in her 60s, but one of the greatest things for me, and it's funny what's important to you.
	I mean, I've worked in the White House.
	You know, trained hundreds of, you know, thousands of Green Berets and Marines.
	But when Kirstie Alley, as a conservative, agreed to come on my show, that was such a big deal for me, Chris.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, she's a great human being and a brave woman.
	And, you know, the fact that any anyone that works in Hollywood that's willing to stand up for their convictions, I just have the Mad respect for her.
	Just the most respect for her.
	Because it's difficult to even work if you talk about that stuff, and she was a bold person, and she was a strong person, and I have massive respect for her.
	But no, this Kobayashi Maru was absolutely critical, and we're gonna get to it probably later in the show, but spoiler alert, in this show, in this film, at the end, Spock Sacrifices himself for the crew, for the ship.
	And it was, I think, critical to create this concept of the Kobayashi Maru, the no-win scenario.
	And the reason I think it's critical is because, yes, it would have been sad, yes, it would have been impactful, it would have been powerful, no matter how that would have played out.
	But the thing is, in Star Trek, they have faced so many no-win scenarios over the years.
	Yes!
	You know, during the show.
	And Captain Kirk always finds some sneaky way out of it, which they address in the film.
	Yeah.
	And so I think that they were afraid, and for good reason I think, that audiences would have said, I don't understand why they had to make this happen, because They've been in so many difficult situations that they always get out of it.
	Why would they have to make a situation in which someone had to sacrifice themselves, a major member of the crew had to sacrifice themselves to save the Enterprise?
	That seems like it doesn't make sense.
	It's not consistent with the show.
	However, because they set it up with this Kobayashi Maru, they set up this concept that, look, even though, yes, they're able to get out of every scenario they've ever been in, eventually you do come up with a no-win scenario.
	And then what do you do in that circumstance?
	And so they set it up perfectly.
	So the context of Spock's death It's so subtle.
	You believe it, you believe it had to happen, and you believe that Spock, what a noble, good man.
	He doesn't – the moment that he figures out he has to do it, if you watch, he just figures out – he kind of figures out what has to be done, looks to the side, gets up, and just walks off.
	It's so subtle.
	He hears something about the reactor not being able to give them the energy they need to escape the Genesis effect, and he just, OK, oh, really?
	And he just gets into action.
	And then, you know, the ultimate Christ-like act, he sacrifices himself for everybody on the ship.
	Well, we'll get to that.
	His answer to the Kobayashi Maru, I'm making movies great again with my buddy, Chris Coles.
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	We have escaped permanent exile on Seti Alpha 5.
	You have proved your superior intellect and defeated the plans of Admiral Kirk.
	You do not need to defeat him again.
	He tasks me.
	He tasks me and I shall have him.
	I'll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round Perdition's flames before I give him up!
	It's not melodrama, it's drama!
	It's Ricardo Montalbón, the Ahab to Kirk's whale.
	There's so many ways to slice this movie, Chris.
	It's a revenge tale based upon the original Enterprise episode, the Space Seed, where Ricardo plays Noonien Khan Singh, this super genetic engineered individual, tries to take over the Enterprise, tries to steal it.
	So it's a revenge story for him.
	I love this scene where he takes his mask off.
	Then it's a nautical battle for Nicholas Meyer.
	He said, well, this isn't about space.
	It's a nautical battle.
	This is so cool.
	That's why that line, he's a two-dimensional thinker, because he's thinking about ships on the same plane, and then they use three dimensions to defeat him.
	And then we have this whole Genesis story.
	I mean, it's like nuclear weapons, the ultimate weapon, the Genesis effect.
	What about this?
	Which aspect of this movie... Oh, and of course, the thing that it opens with, it's about an allegory.
	It's about aging.
	What do we do as men when we realize, yeah, we've got high mileage on our bodies.
	How do we deal with that?
	Which aspect of those or any others is the one that most resonated for you?
	Well, there's a little-known fact about this film that it all actually takes place on Fantasy Island.
	Oh, but where's Nicknack?
	I don't know if you're aware of that.
	Where's Nicknack?
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	He's in the background screaming, the plane, the plane.
	The plane, the plane!
	Fantasy Island.
	You know, Ricardo Montalbán, what a great actor.
	What a great... I mean, he just has a presence.
	You know, there are some actors... Okay, He's overdramatic.
	He's overly dramatic.
	All right, for my taste, he's overly dramatic.
	However, you can kind of get away with that as a villain character.
	Yes.
	A villain can be over the top.
	He can be overly dramatic.
	He's got an enormous ego.
	He wants to be the center of attention.
	There are people like this in real life.
	You know, and you all know them, and every time they talk to anybody, it's a performance, you know?
	And that's what Ricardo Montalban is playing here, and he can get away with it because he's got that voice.
	He's got that magnificent voice.
	And the pectoral muscles that were real.
	Those were his.
	People think that was a prosthetic.
	Those were his pectoral muscles.
	Fabulous, fabulous.
	Well done, Ricardo, at that age as well.
	I don't know how old he is in this film, but he looks, you know, he's got the gray hair.
	Yeah.
	But he looks physically fit.
	He looks great.
	And yeah, he is a a terrifying villain.
	You really believe that he can do the things that he wants to take that revenge.
	And he's obsessed with Kirk.
	I mean, this script is I think like Like I said, it's the best incarnation of the original Star Trek in the sense that it feels like an episode of the original Star Trek, and yet it has this complexity that the original Star Trek could not have, because it's a TV show, it's half an hour long.
	Or were they hour long episodes?
	They were hour long episodes.
	But the thing about this move in this script, and I think this is really Nicholas Meyer, It's the dialogue.
	It's... I don't want to overdo it here, but the conflict between, you know, the naval hero, Captain Kirk, and this obsessed Ahab, it's almost Shakespearean.
	I mean, it's melodrama, but in an enjoyable sense.
	And one of the remarkable things is, because they only... Think about it.
	They had only $12 million to film this movie.
	They gave it eight.
	They bumped it up to 12 after they saw the initial rushes.
	And they had so little money, they had one set for the internal of the spaceship.
	So the Star Trek Enterprise set was repainted as the USS Reliant for Khan, and then repainted one more time for the Kobayashi Maru test at the beginning.
	So this whole film, the two hours of the juxtaposition of these alpha males, Noonian Singh, Ricardo, never acted on the same stage with William Shatner.
	These great lines of, you know, KHAAAAN and all this stuff.
	They never did it on the same... I mean, that's even more remarkable.
	Yeah, I think that...
	Captain Kirk, I forgot his name, William Shatner.
	William Shatner is actually a fairly underrated actor.
	I think the reason being that so many people have figured out how to do a kind of Captain Kirk impression.
	Right.
	And and so they kind of have caricatured, you know, William Shatner.
	But actually, if you go back and you watch the old Star Trek, the original Star Trek, he's just a cool dude, man.
	I mean, the way that he the way that he acts is actually very, very cool. - And the boots, Chris, and the boots.
	Yeah, but it's very naturalistic and you kind of believe it.
	I mean, it's a little bit theatrical, but it's done in a naturalistic way.
	You believe it.
	It's exactly what it needs to be for the TV show.
	And then for this film, I mean, you know, when Spock dies, it's heart-wrenching when he's giving the eulogy and his voice cracks and he says, You know, this was the most human person that I've ever met in all my travels.
	I mean, you're well up.
	It is an emotional scene.
	He can do that.
	He can be angry with Khan.
	You know, he does it all.
	We make jokes about it.
	We laugh about it today.
	It's a little bit caricatured, but he's actually a very good actor.
	And I think everyone in this film is really fantastic.
	And the other thing, with regards to that, it's just so enjoyable.
	I mean, this is a movie you cannot be bored.
	I mean, I've seen it, I don't know, 100 times at least.
	Whenever I watch it, again, I watched it last night, it's engrossing, it's emotional, it's exciting.
	When they can't see each other in the Motaran nebula and you don't know who's going to ram who, it's just engrossing.
	Well, I'll tell you what, like I said, it's got that episodic aspect with the villain that they've got to stop and, you know, kind of know when situation they got to get out of.
	But it's also got this nuance and this emotional nature that you really didn't get so much in the original series.
	It's got this complexity and a beauty to it.
	And even though Khan is this sort of You know, megalomaniac.
	You still kind of, or egomaniac I guess, you still kind of can sympathize with him if you think about it for a minute and just think about what he had to deal with.
	He's a complex character.
	He's an interesting character.
	It's just a very, very well-written film.
	There is a lull.
	I will, in fairness, I will say there is a lull when they get down trapped in the, like, cavern.
	Inside the planet.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I can see, because I got a little bit bored at that moment.
	I started doing something and I thought, oh, I got to pay attention to this film.
	There is a little bit of a moment there where maybe it lasts a little too long.
	But it also includes my favorite line, or one of my many favorite lines, where they unveil the Genesis experiment inside the cavern.
	And B.B.
	Besh says, and he asks, how long did it take to do this?
	Oh, the primary matrix formed in 24 hours, blah, blah, blah.
	Then the life erupts.
	And she says, can I cook?
	Can't I?
	I mean that line from Bibi Mesh was just supreme!
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	I've done far worse than kill you.
	I've hurt you.
	And I wish to go on hurting you.
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	All right, I'm gonna ask you what your favorite scene is, and then, you know, in like half an hour, we'll rate this movie together.
	We'll give it our torpedo, our photon torpedo ratings.
	One of my favorite scenes amongst many is when He tricks Khan, this super intellect.
	When he knows something Khan doesn't know, and he takes control of the USS Reliant remotely.
	Just the delivery, the finesse, taking out his reading glasses, telling, you know, Kirstie Alley, keep talking, pretending you're talking to me.
	Let's play this scene because it's one of my favorites.
	Let's play tricking the super genius.
	Stand by to receive our transmission.
	Lock phasers on target and await my command.
	Phasers locked.
	Time's up.
	Here it comes.
	Now, Mr. Spock.
	Sir, our shields are dropping.
	Raise them!
	I can't!
	Where's the override?
	They override.
	Fire.
	Fire.
	The background music from James Horner, that just subtle, you know, the trumpet beat, trumpet beat.
	And then that, you want it?
	Yeah, it's coming.
	Here you go.
	I love that!
	Because drama is about what?
	You're the actor, you're the writer.
	But good drama has to be built around what?
	Multiple reversals of fortune.
	And this is the ultimate reversal of fortune.
	Oh, yeah.
	Actually, he tricks him, I think, three times that I can remember.
	There is the moment where when he actually I just realized this when he screams, God, that's not just Shatner acting.
	That's Kirk acting because Kirk knows that he and he and he's got a plan.
	He's already got a plan.
	He knows that he's not going to be trapped on that planet.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	So it's actually Kirk acting there and pretending that he's upset.
	He's faking him out that he believes he's trapped when in fact he's got this whole plan B.
	They cut to the planet, but I think if you kept the camera on, it would be like, God!
	All right, so who wants to eat?
	Let's get a burger.
	Let's go.
	Yeah, right.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We got a couple of minutes to hang out.
	But yeah.
	And then there's the moment that they go into the nebula.
	Yes.
	And he knows.
	He's like, Khan will follow me because Khan is obsessed.
	Yes.
	And they slow down and he says, OK, Hail them.
	Hail them.
	I want to talk to them.
	And he's like, what's wrong, Khan?
	You scared to go into the nebula?
	And Khan's like, I will come after you.
	So he comes after him.
	So he's tricked him those two times.
	And then, like you said, in this moment where he's going, he's supposedly going to send I forget whether he's supposed to send something, some kind of report.
	No, he's supposed to send the plans for the Genesis project, right?
	Because, you know, Khan wants this ultimate weapon that will wipe out all life.
	He wants all the data that's in the computer banks of the Enterprise about Genesis.
	That's right, that's right.
	And he says, oh yeah, everything is shot up, it's going to take time, it's just coming through now.
	Yeah, we're sending it.
	And then he takes control of... Oh, this is fun.
	This is fun.
	I'm just geeking out the whole time.
	The Genesis Project explanation.
	This video.
	First time ever in a movie that computer graphics were used for a sequence.
	Oh, is that true?
	Oh yeah.
	First time ever.
	When it explodes and you see the flame of Genesis cover this planet in the animation.
	First time ever you had an extended computer graphic in a movie.
	A real one.
	Not like, you know, hand animation.
	1982.
	Yep.
	Fantastic.
	That's fantastic.
	Yeah, and actually the special effects are pretty good in this movie.
	If you're a kid, I don't know how well they'll hold up, you know, if you're like a young, like a Gen Z or whatever.
	Right.
	But I actually really enjoy it, and there is a nostalgia for the look and feel of the 80s, and 80s special effects do have a look and feel to them.
	The graphics here and whatnot.
	There is a little bit of a 70s feel to this film.
	I think partially like in the uniforms and stuff like that.
	But yeah, I think it's a beautifully made film.
	I mean, you can tell that they really cared about making this film.
	Wow, this is a beautiful shot.
	I mean, I know if you're just listening to this, you can't see it, but you're right.
	Yeah, this computer generated graphic of the of the Genesis project effect.
	It's actually very beautiful.
	They did a really good job.
	So yeah, I think the visual style of this film, I think is the best up to this point of Star Trek.
	It really, really looks great.
	This movie, I don't know if that's just the cinematography.
	I think it's everything, right?
	The props, the writing, the acting, the cinematography.
	And that's why most sane individuals consider this to be the best Star Trek movie ever made.
	I think that's right.
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	Alright, come in with the, you're looking at the only cadet.
	You are looking at the only Starfleet cadet who ever beat the no-win scenario.
	How?
	I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue the ship.
	He cheated.
	I changed the conditions of the test.
	Got a commendation for original thinking.
	I don't like to lose.
	Then you never faced that situation.
	Faced death.
	I don't believe in a no-win scenario.
	Kirk to Spock.
	It's two hours.
	Are you ready?
	Right on schedule, Admiral.
	Just give us your coordinates and we'll beam you aboard.
	All right.
	I just love that!
	I mean, like, so cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Two days we're gonna... Oh, no, no.
	Sorry.
	Two hours.
	I don't believe in losing.
	Let's roll.
	For me, I know I'm an immigrant.
	I know I've got roasted to spectacles.
	That segment, that's about America.
	I'm sorry.
	You know, he cheated.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I changed the conditions of the test because I'm an American.
	I can't be defeated.
	I just love that attitude.
	That's Captain Kirk!
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's, you know, we talked about a little bit before how, you know, the con thing was a ruse, really.
	And this plot twist is perfect.
	Now, Like I said, there is a lull just before this.
	Yeah.
	Because you don't know what they're going to do.
	Right.
	So actually, the lull sets up for this plot twist perfectly, because then you're, like you said, let's roll.
	They're back into the action.
	And this film moves pretty quickly.
	You know, like I say, there's a lull, but the reason for that, I think, is because everything else in this film is really quick.
	It's either story, it's plot, or it's action, or it's suspense, it's something, right?
	Right.
	And yeah, and so it does make this lull feel a little bit slow, but then it sets up perfectly for this plot twist, which is a beautiful moment, I think.
	So many more things to discuss.
	Let's talk a little bit about the acting, the ensemble cast we discussed, Kirstie Alley and Ricardo.
	The TV show was really about the triumvirate, the relationship between Spock, the man of no emotions, the alien, Kirk, the swashbuckling adventurer, and then Bones, this dry, sardonic, sarcastic, seen it all before.
	It thrives again, does it not?
	This ensemble cast really works.
	Yeah, I heard Bones, I forget his name in real life, but yeah, I forget his name.
	Captain McCoy.
	Sorry, Dr. McCoy.
	Dr. McCoy, I mean, I forget the actor's name, but I saw the actor discussing his role and they said, yeah, originally he wasn't such a grumpy guy, but there was a scene in which he had to be, you know, a bit, uh, gruff and they really liked it.
	And it played really, really well in the show.
	And that kind of became his character over time.
	And he had this antagonism between him and Spock.
	But then at the end, when Spock's going to sacrifice himself, He desperately tries to stop him.
	He's like, no, you will not get in there.
	Right.
	DeForest Kelly.
	And so you see in a little bit of a moment, these two men love each other.
	- First Kelly, first Kelly.
	And so they, I mean, you see in a little bit of a moment, these two men love each other.
	They care about each other.
	But they just have this antagonistic relationship and it always worked throughout the show.
	And let's not forget about Chekov's story.
	This haunted me as a child.
	This was terrifying.
	What?
	The moment he gets the ear wig.
	Oh!
	The settee eel!
	The settee eel!
	They put this alien in his ear, wraps around his brain.
	As a boy, I literally thought he died.
	I forgot that he comes back toward the end and I was like, wow, they killed off Chekov with this ear thing.
	Bizarre and absolutely terrifying.
	I was kind of afraid of earwigs after that because there used to be a rumor that they would get in your brain and lay eggs or something.
	Did you get that when you were a kid?
	Did you hear that rumor?
	I don't know about... Yeah, you know, that thing was scary.
	To watch that as a kid, and especially in the extended... They actually cut it out of the cinematic one because the kids couldn't stand it.
	They, you know, ran out of the cinema.
	There's a close-up.
	They made a giant Chekhov ear that was about four foot tall, and they had a puppet eel crawl into his ear and the blood come out.
	That was like... And the actual thing, when...
	When Khan takes the baby eel out of the back of the big settee eel.
	That's pretty... I mean, that puppetry is... Oh, it looks legit!
	Yeah!
	Totally!
	Yeah, every aspect of the production was really good.
	I don't know why they thought, oh, we've got a lower budget than the first movie.
	Yeah.
	Let's do this perfect.
	Like, everybody put all your effort into this.
	Like, every once in a while, there's movies like this.
	I mean, movies are a real collaborative effort.
	I was just talking to this guy last night who he's worked on movie productions, and his job was, like, to coordinate the physical productions of movies at Warner Brothers for a little while.
	And the work and the dedication he put into that job, which you would consider just to be like, and kind of an insignificant job, most people would think, but it's actually not.
	It's a critical job.
	And there are so many critical jobs on a movie set that nobody really thinks about.
	And all these like hundreds of people come together, they put up so much effort.
	And then when you get something like this, it's all worth it, you know, but it all begins with, I think, a good script.
	And I think that's why this movie is so good.
	Well, it tells you that, you know, money isn't the key to a good production.
	I mean, they were so strapped for some reason.
	Well, I think we know the reason.
	They spent huge amounts of money on the motion picture, the first one.
	The first one, yeah.
	And they said, OK, let's have another one.
	And they just didn't want to spend that much money again.
	They were so strapped of cash.
	Couple of things.
	The uniforms that are now burgundy, They were actually re-dyed leftover uniforms from the first movie.
	They wanted to redesign them.
	They didn't have the money to buy the fabric to make new ones, so they tested which dyes would actually work to change the color, and burgundy worked.
	I mean, this is the level of cheapness, but it works.
	And then I've got a photograph from the end of the scene where the photon torpedo, that's the casket for Spock, you see has landed on Seti Alpha 4 that's now revegetated and is burgeoning with life.
	Have a guess where that photograph, where that scene was filmed, of Spock's casket.
	I just assumed that it was in the studio.
	Right.
	No, no.
	They didn't have money to rebuild a jungle to make anything.
	This was shot after they finished the film, okay?
	And they said, well, we've got to leave some kind of indication that he might come back, so let's drop the casket on a place burgeoning with life.
	They took the casket and they filmed it in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park.
	They found the most overgrown corner of the park, shoved the casket in there, got a quick permit for two days shooting, and they filmed it in the Golden Gate Park!
	I've been there, I've been over there.
	Yeah, so have I!
	It's a beautiful park, actually.
	It's a shame about San Francisco, by the way, but that's another story.
	But this tells you, doesn't it tell you when you've got good writing, good acting, and a good concept, which, you know, this is a naval battle, revenge, and so forth, then you can have a great movie.
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	I don't know if you've ever had a death scene.
	Shatner actually wanted a translucent partition.
	He said, we shouldn't see each other.
	It should be just a shadow of Spock dying.
	He was overrode.
	They created this clear thing.
	I think it's beautifully done.
	Yes, they returned to this message, the trope of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.
	But as death scenes go, this is very, very touching.
	No, yeah.
	I think it's very difficult to do a quality death scene, especially if you're going to make it extremely emotional like this.
	They did it so well that this is an iconic scene.
	I mean, this is remembered to this day by fans of the film as one of the most important scenes in all of Star Trek.
	And, you know, here's the thing, I watched the show as a boy, you know, I was always on reruns constantly, and I was always a Star Wars guy.
	That's okay.
	So much so, here's the funny thing, when I was really young, probably like four or five years old, I didn't quite understand that there were different fictional science fiction universes.
	So for me, I just thought they all existed in the same universe, and I didn't understand why in Star Trek there were not lightsabers, and I didn't understand why in Star Wars they didn't just beam down to the planets.
	I'm like, why don't they just beam down, you know?
	Where's Chewbacca?
	Why isn't he on the Enterprise?
	Exactly, exactly.
	Yeah, I thought it was like the same universe.
	You know, you're four years old, you don't know what the hell's going on.
	But anyway, no, but they took this show, which was just this sort of cowboy show in space.
	Yeah.
	This episodic thing.
	They're going after the villain of the week type thing.
	There were funny moments.
	There were emotional moments in the original series, obviously.
	But this moment took it to a completely other level.
	Where this is art.
	You know, this goes from something that I think a lot of people consider just pop culture to something that is a true piece of art.
	This film is a masterpiece.
	And I think it comes down to this scene.
	And this was, you think that this is Khan's story.
	You think that this is Kirk's story, right?
	Their stories are intertwined.
	But by the end of the film, it becomes Spock's story.
	And that's why he delivers that opening monologue to boldly go where no man has gone before.
	That's why he delivers it at the end because it becomes his story by the end of the film.
	That is such a deep, deep take, a hot take.
	And it's a good one because you can actually graph out an arc for Spock in terms of this being his movie.
	Because what does he say at the beginning when Kirk comes into his quarters, into Spock's cabin?
	and And Spock tells him, he talks straight to the soul of Kirk and says, your best and only destiny is to be a captain of a starship.
	I mean, you know, you've been flying desks at Federation headquarters.
	What are you talking about?
	This is your best, first and only destiny.
	And then what does he do?
	He makes that possible with the cycle at the end of saving.
	I mean, this shot is this shot.
	Of Spock dead and Kirk facing the other way is just beautiful.
	And then we have the funeral scene.
	There are some moments, let's talk about this for a second.
	There's a photograph I sent Eric.
	I actually took this photograph the last time I watched this movie over a year ago.
	It's like one of the Dutch masters.
	I mean, this, you look at the end of the movie and you have the whole surviving crew looking at the view screen of Spock's casket being sent to Seti Alpha 5.
	There's so many moments in this film where it's like a painting.
	It's beautiful.
	Yeah.
	Isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's there.
	The moment that he, you asked what my favorite scene was.
	We never got to that.
	I mentioned it earlier.
	It's that moment where Spock just figures out what needs to be done and then goes and he does it.
	And you know, that's how human beings really should be in a moment of crisis.
	You know, be the hero.
	Actually, my brother just saved a woman's life the other day.
	She crashed her car off the edge of this little cliff.
	The car would have flipped over 25 feet, something like that.
	And he grabs her, pulls her out of the car, saves her life.
	He didn't even think about it.
	saved her life.
	And that kind of stuff happens every day in America.
	There's what we call everyday heroes.
	And you never hear their story.
	People don't talk about them.
	They're just regular people doing the right thing.
	And that's what Spock does in that moment.
	And so that's my favorite moment of the whole film.
	Did you hear Tucker Carlson's speech at the Heritage Foundation?
	I did.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Evil.
	Evil.
	Evil is coming to the world.
	Evil's real.
	There's this moment halfway through, which is kind of like you thought it was kind of bitchy, but it's actually true, where he says, every man is programmed from birth To imagine themselves as a hero.
	You're actually programmed to run into the burning building.
	Because that's what guys do!
	They rescue the baby from the burning building.
	You don't think about it.
	You do what your brother did.
	You rescue the woman whose car is just about to fall over the cliff.
	Because, well, I'm a man.
	That's what I do.
	And then he juxtaposed it with, you know what real bravery is?
	That's easy.
	I mean, because we're programmed to do that.
	Because we've got testicles.
	We're guys.
	He says, the real bravery is the You know, the executive at, um, you know, Bank of America who says, no, I'm not going to put my pronouns in my email signature book.
	That's real bravery.
	Cause we're not, we're not programmed to do that, right?
	We're not, we're not programmed to stand up to the corporation and say, screw you.
	Yeah, this is bollocks.
	Uh, you know, I just, that, that made me think of that.
	All right.
	Let's, let's play the, um, let's play the, the, the speech from the funeral.
	Of my friend, I can only say this.
	Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human.
	you When I was a kid, when I first saw this, I kind of cracked up a little bit.
	I thought, what happened with his voice?
	Is he playing this for comedy?
	And then the bagpipes begin and, you know, Scotty's playing the pa-pa.
	Like, is this a joke thing?
	But then you realize this is actually very, very poignant.
	You know, that vocal fry or that crack, that's so believable.
	You know, if you watch the original series like I watched when I was a kid, And you know the adventures that these two have gone on.
	Yeah.
	You know, you believe this scene.
	Now, I don't know how it is for somebody coming in who's never seen Star Trek, they don't know anything about it.
	Right.
	But I think that they would be touched by this scene in the same way.
	I don't think, maybe not quite as powerful, but it's still there just because that performance is so good.
	And I suspect, I don't know for sure, because these two guys were friends in real life.
	Yes.
	That might have been real.
	He might have really been thinking about what it would be like if his good friend had died, you know, and he can't...
	You know, his voice can't maintain the structural integrity, right?
	And it does crack, and it's real.
	And so maybe that was real.
	It's so convincing.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think maybe it was real.
	A little scene here with the death.
	So allegedly Leonard Nimoy refused to do this movie unless they killed off Spock.
	As part of the deal, which is kind of weird, anyway, because he was fed up with being, I guess, typecast and making his millions based upon that typecasting.
	And then, as he's making the movie, he regrets the decision and forces them to add in that nerve pinch with McCoy to down-dump his memory so they can bring him back to life in the next one.
	So that was Leonard Nimoy saying, you know what?
	I like this gig.
	I don't want to die!
	Let's sneak in here this easter egg so maybe I can come back and not only does he come back he directs the next one and I think directs the next two of these Star Trek movies so funny the vagaries of Hollywood negotiations.
	All right what are we left out?
	Paul Winfield captain of the USS Reliance always has a raw deal right?
	Eric what is he In Terminator, he had a raw deal as well, right?
	He's the police lieutenant who kind of believes Sarah Connor's story, maybe, and then of course dies in the Terminator and storms the police station.
	Bingo.
	Kirstie Alley, we've mentioned.
	Dr. Carol Marcus, played by Bibi Besh, I thought was superb.
	Final thoughts on the best Star Trek movie ever made?
	Yeah, you know, you just mentioned this other captain.
	I didn't think about it until this moment, but he also sacrificed himself.
	And you think that you shouldn't do that in a script, right?
	Because that would somehow maybe reduce the profound impact of Spock.
	But it does it somehow.
	It still kind of works, right?
	Like you're very much impressed by this guy, this captain who sacrificed himself.
	But then later on, it's a much bigger impact, obviously.
	And I think it maintains somehow it still works.
	Yeah, everything that happens in this movie seems to have a reason.
	It seems to all be interconnected, all seems to fit.
	It works really, really well.
	And yeah, I just think it is By far the best Star Trek, maybe one of the best, probably the best Star Trek material we have at all.
	Yeah, this moment right here where Captain Tyrell actually goes against his conditioning by Kahn.
	I mean, this is a shocking moment.
	The first time you see this where he actually kills himself instead of killing Kirk.
	That's like, whoa!
	But you're right, it doesn't undermine What Spock will do at the end.
	It all just fits into the... If I was writing this, I would have talked to my writing partner and said, I don't know if we can keep this because I don't want it to step on the more impactful deck.
	It would have been a tough decision.
	The fact they kept it in, I think, was the right choice.
	Yeah.
	Right, right.
	Well, I saw Les Miserables last night with my family, and there's a lot of deaths in there.
	None of them seem to undermine the death of Jean Valjean at the end, so maybe they're doing a little bit of Victor Hugo in space.
	All right, we've got to rate this out of 10.
	The classic decision, the division of labor, is that You do.
	How enjoyable is this?
	As a movie, I do it in the panoply of all movies.
	So, when it comes to Photon Torpedoes out of 10, Chris Coles, what do you give Star Trek II the wrath of God?
	Well, let me clarify.
	I rate this out of how much a modern audience would appreciate it, not aware of the film previously.
	I think that it would probably, for a modern audience, I mean, I consider this to be a pretty much perfectly made film.
	But I would say a modern audience would probably appreciate this at about an 8.
	I'll give it an 8.
	8 photon copiers.
	Man, this is one of my favorites.
	It's a good one.
	It's a great film, really.
	9.333 recurring.
	This is nine and a third.
	Nine and a third Photon Torpedoes.
	This is right up there, but there are a couple that are just gonna edge in front of it.
	So I've got to have that two thirds behind, but I really appreciate you doing this with me because I just love this movie.
	All right.
	It now falls upon you, my friend.
	What is your choice?
	Well, we we we have I have a question.
	We didn't discuss this before.
	No, this is this is this we do this like extemporaneously.
	Let's do it.
	But but you know, because there's a special thing with this possibly with this next film.
	Yeah.
	Can we do the film that we discussed before?
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	If he's if he's free, let's do it.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So I guess the film that we're going to do next, ladies and gentlemen, one of my all time favorites, The Goonies.
	The Goonies!
	A film that, in total honesty with you, I never connected with.
	I don't know if it really got a major release in the UK when I was a kid.
	You were maybe too old to care about the kids, maybe.
	Maybe, maybe.
	Or maybe it just didn't enter my cerebellum.
	I know it has iconic status.
	And we may have one of the key actors, correct?
	Yeah, very possible.
	We happen to know a gentleman by the name of Robert Davi.
	If you don't know his name, you'll know his face.
	And I asked him the other day if he would come on if we did Goonies, and he said, absolutely.
	So we'll see if he's free on that day.
	And if he is, We may have a guest star for the first time on this show.
	I love it.
	A great idea.
	He's a great American and also, I think, perhaps one of the scariest, realistic James Bond villains in cinematography.
	A lot of people's favorite villain.
	Oh my gosh.
	James Bond, yeah.
	Superb.
	Alright.
	Go off and watch Star Trek 2 if you haven't seen it yet.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First, making movies great again with Chris Coles, the alpha critic on YouTube, the host of the Mr. Reagan YouTube channel and Mr. Reagan USA on Twitter.

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