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for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host Cleveland's own Bob France it It is so good to be back to the Sebastian Gorka Show.
Dr. G, it is an honor and a privilege to sit in for you on America First.
I love this audience.
I love learning from audiences as much as I love educating and informing audiences of that which we study and we work so hard at.
So, thank you so much for that and I appreciate everybody.
You have no idea what you're in for for the next three hours.
I can tell you that right now.
And I say that with no pride or ego.
It's not me.
It's the guests we have lined up.
We have a phenomenal rotation of people who are going to be coming through today on America First.
You know Mark Robinson.
If you have been paying attention at all to conservative politics in America and the culture war, you know Mark Robinson.
By day, he operates as lieutenant governor of the state of North Carolina, and now as candidate for governor of the state of North Carolina, but he kind of moonlights as a phenomenal general in the ongoing culture war that we fight.
We absolutely have to.
He is just hard and fast with his beliefs, and he happens to be spot on.
I've been a huge fan of his for a long time.
I'm looking forward to talking to Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson coming up here in just about 15 minutes in hour number one.
At the top of the next hour, the longest serving Civil Rights Commissioner, In the history of that board of commissioners for the United States is Peter Kersenow.
He is a rock on the United States Commission on Civil Rights.
He is going to join us to talk about a massive, massive dispute.
We'll call it a dispute that affects that Civil Rights Commission, and it's all over the rising, rampant crime that continues to go unabated, really, in the largest American cities.
Targeting and impacting one particular demographic of our communities much more than any other, which is the source of the dispute.
Chris Dorr will join us as we talk Second Amendment at 440 this afternoon.
I keep saying 440.
We're Eastern Time Zone.
Apologies when we do the national show.
I forget we've got people all over the country in different time zones.
But in the second hour, 40 minutes past the second hour, Chris Dorr, who is the director of Ohio Gun Owners, is going to talk to us about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who doesn't seem to understand very much about the firearm aspect of that.
Believe it or not, we'll talk about that coming up.
And then in the last hour, at the top of the last hour, we talked with my friend and former Salem radio colleague, Larry Elder, who has made a very, very momentous announcement just a few days ago.
Actually, about a week ago now.
Larry Elder, the sage from South Central, returns to Salem's airwaves as my guest coming up at the top of our number threes.
So we are loaded up for you, and I really appreciate you being here.
Of course, you can be here at 833-33-GORKA.
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So I want to hit something real quick.
If you're a football fan, you probably can pinpoint, well roughly anyway, the time that the National Football League went fully woke, right?
It went fully woke somewhere in the summer and early fall of 2020.
Because that, of course, was the summer of the riots.
It was the summer of George Floyd, the summer of BLM, the summer of Antifa, and, of course, the NFL playing its part, you know, forming their little social justice committees and painting weird things in the end zones and telling players they can wear weird messages on their body.
It went fully woke in 2020, right?
So, along with going woke, one would assume that they would be fully invested, like so much of corporate America and so much of educational America is, in D.I.E., which of course is Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity.
Right?
This is the NFL, the woke NFL now.
It's one of the reasons why so many people, myself included, have scaled way back, if not tuned out, the National Football League entirely.
But last night, I couldn't help because I was flipping around.
I was watching Newsmax, which I watch exclusively at 8 o'clock now, ever since what happened with Tucker.
So I was watching Newsmax, went into a break, so I started poking around a little bit.
Oh, the NFL Draft was on!
So I couldn't help but kind of, you know, peek at it just for a little while to see what was going on.
So I watched for a while and I watched one pic after another be shown on TV, going up to the stage, getting their hat for their new team, the team that is about to make them a multi-millionaire as a first round draft pick, going up there and hugging Roger Goodell and posing for pictures with a jersey.
And I was starting to notice something interesting.
And what I noticed was, The similarity between almost all, or amongst almost all, of the players who were being drafted.
The ones on the stage, and the ones who were at their homes, hosting parties at their houses, or their high school gyms, or restaurants, or whatever else they've had for their things.
And it's like, every time they announced a new name and they flashed to the pic, it just, it couldn't help but stand out, right?
I noticed the startling lack of diversity.
Among this crowd of soon-to-be multi-millionaire players.
It almost, almost looked like there was no D.I.E.
policy at the National Football League.
Where was the diversity?
They're the ones who said that everything has to be not just them, by the way.
Everything has to be diversity and inclusion and equity compliant.
And I'm watching.
And I'm just noticing.
Hold on a second.
That guy's just like the guy before him.
They are almost all identical to one another in one way.
And the way was that they were all of the same race.
And it just struck me.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Listening to the announcers describe the players that were being drafted last night, they spoke of each of them in glowing terms about their talent, about their hard work ethic, about their results and their accomplishments, and they were basically described, each one of them, as the very best at what they do.
And as I listened to this for a little bit longer, it just kind of It just kind of became apparent to me that I didn't know any better.
I'd say the NFL was practicing meritocracy.
That they were actually choosing the best players with the most talent and the most hard work ethic.
The ones who had dedicated themselves to becoming the best at what they do.
The ones with the most results and accomplishments and achievements were being awarded the coveted positions in employment in the National Football League.
And I thought, but that can't be, because meritocracy is a non-woke term.
We don't support meritocracy in the United States of America anymore, and we sure as hell don't do it in corporate America, and what is the NFL if not a giant corporation?
Since when do we only hire the very best?
I thought we were supposed to be inclusive, and diverse, and equitable.
Of 31 first round draft picks that were announced last night, I think there was one of them who was Hispanic.
Just one!
Is that equitable?
I think there were only three or four that were white.
Wait, what?
That would mean roughly 27 or so of them were African American.
How is that diverse?
How is that inclusive?
You know what else I noticed last night in the NFL draft?
Not one woman's name was called.
Not one!
And you know who else was missing from this?
There was not a single trans person selected in the draft last night.
Where is the diversity, inclusion, and equity compliance officer?
Who's in charge of this mess anyway?
You can't tell me that now we're going to focus on meritocracy and hire based on ability.
We're not going to hire the best.
Now we're going to do that?
Wait a minute.
What happened to the woke NFL that believes in D.I.E.? ?
If somebody can explain that to me on the program today, I would very much love to understand how it is and why it is.
Suddenly, meritocracy is okay, and diversity, inclusion, and equity is out the window.
833-33-GORC is the number.
833-334-6752.
Mark Robinson, Lieutenant Governor of the great state of North Carolina, will be joining us.
Bob France, sitting in for Dr. G live here in the ReliefFactor.com studios of AM 1420, The Answer, in Cleveland, Ohio.
I'll be right back.
Thank you.
I.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Yes, let us do exactly that.
Bob France, Comedy Live from Cleveland, Ohio, TheReliefFactor.com Studios.
Happy to be sitting in on America First.
We'll take your calls at 833-33-GORKA.
My first guest, however, should need no introduction.
I may have to introduce him by name.
Maybe you just know him as the two-genders guy.
But you have seen this viral video probably a few dozen times in the last couple of years.
I have played it on my radio program a few hundred times, I can promise you that.
If you don't know who I'm talking about, watch this.
Here's something else I'm not supposed to say.
Ain't but two genders.
Two genders.
and Ain't nothing but men and women.
And I can already see WRAL out there.
They got their lickety pencils right here.
Trying to write fear.
Get every word of this here.
Get every word of this.
You can go to the doctor and get cut up.
You can go down to the dress shop and get made up.
You can go down there and get drugged up.
But at the end of the day, you were just a drugged up Dressed up, made up, cut up, man or woman, you ain't changed what God put in you, that DNA.
That is the Lieutenant Governor of the great state of North Carolina.
His name is Mark Robinson.
He joins us now on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Lieutenant Governor Robinson, Bob France sitting in for Sebastian Gorka.
It is so nice to talk to you.
How are you this fine afternoon?
I'm doing good.
How are you?
I am great.
I got to tell you, you know, you stood there in that church back in August of 2021, surrounded by pastors all with white collars.
And I've been calling you Pastor Mark Robinson for the last two years.
I apologize for that.
But you spoke like you were preaching and you were preaching.
You just don't have the title of pastor to go along with it.
Can you tell me how often people bring that speech up to you?
You know, especially as we continue to fight this culture war over the trans movement.
Well, it's a lot, a lot.
And it's one of the starking examples of the kind of, I'm not sure, I don't know how to really describe it, but it's one of those things that is really the difference in how Americans look at things.
And one of the dividing lines, actually, When you're talking about things like race and voting and the culture wars, it's one of the markers that is shattering the narrative on the left that minorities are buying into much of what is being sold by those on the left.
Lieutenant Governor, you made a huge announcement just a few short days ago that you want to remove the lieutenant from your title and you are running for governor of the state of North Carolina.
Tell me why you want to be the governor and tell me what the biggest challenges that state faces right now.
Well, you know what our major goal in trying to become governor of North Carolina is so that this state can actually have someone who wants to serve the people.
Not serve a party, not serve their own political agenda, not climb a political ladder, not be there to try to tell folks what to do or how to do it, but to be there to give folks what they need in order to succeed, to bring people to the table, to allow them to allow the government to be a facilitator of success, not an entity that stifles that success.
And so that's what we really want.
And I think what our biggest challenges are right now in this state.
We're in a fantastic place economically.
We've managed to turn this state around.
Folks have managed to turn this state around since 2010.
We're headed in the right direction, I believe.
But there are a number of things we need to do in order to continue to enhance that success.
And so those are the things we want to focus on.
We want to focus on our economy, we want to focus on education, and we want to focus on things like public safety and others to continue to enhance the lives of the people here in North Carolina.
We're talking to Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson of North Carolina.
He wants to be the governor of that state.
Not to gloss over, far be it for me to do that over the first one, which was the economy, I want to talk about the second one you just mentioned, which is education.
Can you tell me How deep the problem is with indoctrination in the schools in North Carolina relative to the rest of the country.
I can tell you here in Ohio it's a disaster.
It is an ongoing fight.
Can you tell me how big of a problem that is and how much of a priority that is for you?
Well, you know, it works hand in hand.
What we kind of just generally refer to as indoctrination is more of a problem of just not being in the right place when it comes to education.
I mean, the bureaucracy does not have its mind on the right thing in education.
Let me tell you what I mean by that.
I sit on the state school board here in North Carolina, and as I go to those meetings, I hear a lot about one word.
I hear a lot about one word called equity.
I hear the word all the time.
Equity, equity, equity, equity, equity.
What I do not hear is the two words that we desperately need to bring back to education.
And those two words are excellence and discipline.
We need to bring those things back to our education system.
And those two things permeate down through the entire educational experience.
And along with that, The absolute number one priority that will make our educational system a success here in North Carolina and anywhere else as far as I'm concerned is this.
We have got to make parents.
We've got to put parents in charge of their children's educational destiny.
If we're not focused on that, if we're not focused on excellence, if we're not focused on discipline and safety and all those things, our educational system will not be a success.
And I will commit to you right now, our education bureaucracy in North Carolina is not focused on those things.
And that's why our education system is failing our young people and parents and teachers.
Tell me about some of the things that the parents do not like having in their schools.
And I'm talking about the critical race theory.
I'm talking about social-emotional learning.
I'm talking about comprehensive sex education.
The trans movement that we're talking about.
Girls sports and so forth.
I mean, how do you turn that tide without... You were already called a bigot.
You're already called a transphobe because of the comments you made in that speech.
How do you fight that back against the other side that just looks to demonize you for trying to bring truth back to the equation?
It's simple.
The proof is in the statistics.
Take a look at what's going on in our school.
All the push for the social engineering.
All the push to push this transgender movement.
All the push to push the 1619 project, which is not true history.
All of those moves to push that social engineering into our schools.
Look at the statistic right here in North Carolina.
$14 billion of the $27 billion budget that we have here in North Carolina.
More than half of our state budget.
We spend on public education, and statistically, our children can't read on a grade level.
We're failing at a basic level because we're failing to capitalize on the basic part of education, which is not social engineering.
It is actual education, teaching children to read, write, do mathematics, and then using those skills to teach them other skills that will help them build successful careers once they leave the classroom.
We're no longer doing that.
What we're doing is social engineering by teaching them about all these complicated issues that even adults don't understand.
That is so true.
Yeah, that is social engineering by pushing it on kids when the adults don't even get it.
We're talking with Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson.
I'm Bob Franson for Sebastian Gorka.
Lieutenant Governor, hang with me for this short break.
We'll come right back on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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Now, let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Yes, indeed.
We do continue now, 33 minutes past the hour.
Thanks for being with us live in the ReliefFactor.com studios here in Cleveland, Ohio.
Bob France sitting in for Dr. G, joined by the Lieutenant Governor of the state of North Carolina, also known as, quote, the sharp-spoken social conservative, Mark Robinson.
That's what they call you in the Charlotte Post when you announced your gubernatorial race.
Is that fair enough for you?
Sharp-spoken, pretty accurate, I think.
I think so.
That's about as nice as I can expect them to be to me.
Lieutenant Governor Robinson, I want to talk a little bit more about education, as we talked a little bit off the air coming back into this segment.
There's a bill, House Bill 96, I guess it's already passed the Senate in North Carolina, it's working its way through the House now, that would require students to learn American history.
What a terrible idea that is, I guess.
A three-hour course covering America's founding documents, including the U.S.
Constitution, the Declaration, the Emancipation Proclamation.
At least five essays from the Federalist Papers, Dr. King's letter from Birmingham Jail, and the Gettysburg Address.
This is being opposed by 673 University of North Carolina Chapel Hill professors who say that this is an infringement of academic freedom, that forcing people to learn true American history takes away from the, and I quote, intellectual expertise of the faculty.
Mr. Robinson, Lieutenant Governor Robinson, what the hell is going on at the University of North Carolina?
Well, you know, I'm not going to disparage those professors out in public that way, not knowing many of them personally, but what I'm going to do is relate to you my personal experience at the university level.
I've sat in classes at the university level and listened, literally listened, to our history being misrepresented to students intentionally because of political beliefs, because of political ideology, whatever you may want to call it.
And it's disgusting when you hear it.
You know, everybody's got their opinion about this nation's founding and about how this nation was founded.
But one thing you cannot deny about America's history of this is that every problem that we have ever faced, whether it was slavery, whether it was women's issues, no matter what the issue was, good people of all stripes came together and fought like heck to fix the issue.
We always got together.
Unity has always seen us through in this nation, and now we have a crop of people, a certain class, a certain crop of people who want to always preach division.
It's not about division.
It's about unity, because unity is how we overcame every issue we ever faced, and unity is what we should be teaching our young people in school, and the fact that we overcame all of our issues.
Because we came together, maybe not perfectly, but we came together to fight for the right thing.
That's what we need to be teaching our young people.
That's why we have our Constitution laid out.
That's why the rule of law stands.
That's why we were able to defeat slavery.
That's why we were able to defeat Jim Crow, was because folks came together, saw an injustice, and did something about it.
That's what we need to teach our young people.
And some of these professors Who are hell-bent on preaching division are preaching some of the very problems that caused those things to begin with.
Well, you know, I'm so glad to hear you define it that way, but that challenge is something that's extraordinary, isn't it?
Because the division is being taught and preached and forced into the heads of young kids from pre-K, really, all the way through up the university level.
Through the things you and I talked about a few moments ago, like CRT, teaching little black kids to hate little white kids, teaching little white kids that they're automatically racist because they're going to oppress those black kids.
All of the stuff that they do.
You know, when we talk about CRT, I like to just bring it right down to the basic level.
The folks who preach CRT and preach the tennis of CRT, they remind me of those folks, those sports fans.
Who, when their team loses, they don't talk about the mistakes that their team made.
They don't talk about the missteps, the lost opportunities, the bad play calls.
They don't talk about that.
They automatically jump and they blame the referees.
The referees are cheating.
The game is set up.
The game is phony.
They don't want to talk about the real issue.
The pivotal issue is this.
In the United States of America, we live in a nation where we see people succeed at the highest level, We have seen people succeed at the highest levels under some of the worst conditions.
When racism was at its worst, we saw black folks at their best, succeeding at the highest level at their best.
It's not about how our society is structured, because our society is structured so that you can fight back against those things, and we've proven that time and time again.
But then there are those folks that adhere to that line of thinking.
They always want to blame society.
They don't want to blame individuals on outcomes.
That's a great analogy, the officials analogy.
That's so true.
Parents, oftentimes, and just fans, they do.
They want to blame somebody else for their failure or their team's failure.
Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson, follow him on Twitter at MarkRobinsonNC, and make sure you check out his book, We Are the Majority.
It's available on Amazon right now.
We Are the Majority, The Life and Passions of a Patriot, and I can tell By following Mark Robinson thus far in his career, his political career, he is every bit a patriot.
Lieutenant Governor, best of luck to you in that gubernatorial race.
North Carolina, support this man.
We'll be right back on America First. America First.
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Thank you.
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So we continue.
Thanks again to Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson of North Carolina.
I just I think he's a spectacular Spactacular spokesman for the conservative cause for patriotism.
And I hope to God, listeners in North Carolina right now to America first, I hope to God, literally, that you are paying attention and know what your duty is here.
Know what your calling is.
Your calling is to bring a leader like that to the forefront of your state so that the younger generations.
The generation that is being brainwashed.
The generation that is being kidnapped, essentially, by a cult.
And that is happening.
That is happening.
That they have an actual chance.
You heard Mark Robinson's focus on education.
Not to mention economy and so many other things.
But North Carolina voters, I hope you know what you're doing.
Join us, if you are from North Carolina and you want to speak to that, please.
833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
We're going to go to some phone calls.
We're going to go first to Alex on Line 2.
Alex, it's Bob Frantz sitting in for Dr. G. Welcome to American First.
Hey, Bob.
Thanks so much for taking the call.
You're doing a great job filling in for Sebastian, and the interview was amazing.
Thank you.
I wanted to comment about what you started off the program with, talking about You know, how the teams and, you know, the NFL and all these other teams, they're all busy preaching about how we have to be diverse, but when it comes down to it, they really just pick the best players.
They're not getting those weak players.
And another thing I noticed is there's no trans women that are playing in the men's sports games for some odd reason.
It's only the men that transition to women that end up going into the women's sports and then, you know, compete with them and win that because they're, They're stronger than them physically and better fit because they're actually men.
Yeah, you're exactly right.
And where's the outrage that there are no women playing on men's teams?
Why aren't they clearing spots on the roster for women, in other words, women who are transitioning into men, to play on an actual men's team?
After all, trans men are real men, we're told, so why can't they have spots in the NFL, in Major League Baseball, the NBA?
They continue to operate as if it's a meritocracy.
We've been told that meritocracy is bad, it's evil, it's discriminatory, right?
Yep, and you know, the only thing I'll give credit for Joe Biden and his administration is that, you know, they're busy talking about being diverse, and the truth is they don't have the best.
They don't have the best people there.
They've got a lot of dumb people.
They've got Pete Buttigieg, because, you know, you've got to get a gay transportation secretary, but he's dumb.
They could have picked someone that's smart, someone that knows how to take care of transportation, right?
And then you've got a president that's cognitively declining, so that he's representing, I guess, the mental health issue that's facing our country.
But I think we should learn from this administration that, no, we want to be diverse, but we don't want to overdo it.
We want to be smart and get the best people, actually, and stop saying, hey, let's grow up the country just so that we can be diverse.
You're 100% right.
Alex, that's a great call.
Thank you for making it to America First.
Biden made, he tied his own hands together the moment, literally, that he had to make any decision on anybody.
He said before he even knew that there was going to be a Supreme Court opening, that if there was, he was going to choose a black female, or excuse me, a female of color, I think he said.
That automatically limited and cut out some of the very best of the best.
Did he say, I'm going to use meritocracy?
And hire the very best potential, you know, justice that I can possibly find, no matter what they look like, no matter what their background is, no matter what their ethnicity is, but I want the best of the best.
Nope, he said it's going to have to be the best of people that fit the categories of female, which by the way, generally speaking, he couldn't prove because the person he chose, Ketanji Brown-Jackson, doesn't know if she's a woman.
Because she's not a biologist.
But he picked her.
He did the same thing when he was running for president back in 2020.
In 2019 and leading up to 2020 when he said he was going to pick a running mate that was a woman of color.
Same story.
Best of the best.
Nope.
Gotta fit the diversity inclusion equity quota.
That's what he did.
He did the same thing with Richard Levine.
He did the same thing with Sam Brinton.
He did the same thing with Pete Buttigieg.
He did the same thing with so many positions.
He wants to fill the diversity, inclusion, and equity quotas.
He did not go on meritocracy.
And the woke sports leagues, like I was just talking about the NFL, the same thing is true of the NBA.
Why aren't they offering jobs to more white people?
Why aren't they offering positions on the roster to women?
Why aren't they offering positions on the roster to more Asians?
Why aren't they offering spots on their roster to trans people?
And you say, well, because they're not good enough.
Well, if they were, they would put them on.
But they're not good enough.
They have to be the best players to make the team.
Well, what do you know?
What a unique idea!
Making somebody be the best at what they do before they get the job, before they get the position in the freshman class at an elite university, or any university for that matter.
How come it only matters, meritocracy only matters, when wins and losses, which is what happens in sports, translate into dollars and cents?
That's the only time meritocracy seems to matter to the American left, including the woke sports leagues.
Let's go to Dan calling us from Minnesota.
Oh my goodness, Minnesota, you're in some trouble up there.
Dan, welcome to America First.
Go ahead, sir.
Thanks, Bob.
Great job, as usual.
Help us, yeah.
I think the election was stolen in Minnesota, and Tim Walz stole the election with his crummy Keith Ellison.
Steve Simon, the Secretary of State, yeah, it's been stolen.
We don't have the backbone in the Republican Party to investigate or the will to fight it, so I don't know what's going to happen.
But, you know, Biden is being told what to do.
He doesn't think, he doesn't have any original thoughts.
Obama or Soros, the global elite, are telling him what to do.
You know how he signs bills?
He just signs them all willy-nilly.
He doesn't know what he's signing.
He doesn't know where he's been.
Did you see, Dan?
And I apologize for the short call, but thank you for making it.
I've got to get out of here.
But did you see what he did in front of those kids a couple of days ago?
He didn't know where he was.
Or where he had been, I should say.
A little kid asked him, what's the last country you visited?
He just came from this big, long trip to Ireland, and this 80-year-old, pre-dementia, skeleton-looking corpse did not know where he had been.
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I'm Seb Gawker, now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
So when I said to, thank you Dr. G, six minutes before the top of the hour, when I said to the last caller that you got some problems up there in Minnesota, he was talking about Ellison, but I've got a couple of stories that I discussed on my local program in Cleveland, Ohio that I wanted to hit just super quick here.
In Minnesota, this is how radical they have gone there.
The fact that this is the home of Jihad Omar is another story.
But this Minnesota bill, HF 1655, would make pedophiles a protected class.
Democrat Minnesota state reps introduced legislation that would end the exclusion of pedophilia from legal protections of sexual orientations.
So in other words it would state that being attracted to children is no different or no more harmful than being attracted to somebody of your same sex.
Or to, I don't know, whatever other kind of deviant perverse things they can come up with.
But the most deviant and perverse thing that you can come up with, of course, is sexual attraction to children.
Because that leads to something called sexual molestation.
It leads to something called child rape.
The phrase sexual orientation does not include a physical or sexual attachment to children by an adult.
That phrase would be struck down from the legal definition of sexual orientation.
Sexual orientation is a protected class in Minnesota and it would be extended to pedophiles if this bill goes through.
That's one.
Number two, they're taking away the First Amendment in Minnesota.
If you are in that state and you say something as benign as, I don't know, The Wuhan flu, otherwise known as COVID-19, came from China.
You could find yourself on a government registry, a government bias registry.
Minnesota State Representative Harry Niska bringing this to the forefront, suggesting that Anybody who says anything that might be considered biased toward another individual could land you on a government watch list or a government registry.
The bill was introduced in January.
It allows people to report perceived bias-related incidents, such as alleged slurs or verbal attacks.
Even if you didn't mean to slur, you're just talking about what we know.
The evidence is that COVID-19 came from China, came from Wuhan.
How's that a slur?
Doesn't matter.
If somebody takes it as such, and they take it as an anti-Asian type of a statement, you could find yourself on a government watch list, called a government registry, that would fall outside of the hate crimes compiled annually by the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, but it would put you on the list for a bias, the government's bias registry.
You know, we're talking to the entire nation right now on America First.
I don't want to demonize the people of Minnesota, but I think they all know, at least the ones who would listen to this show, you've got some problems, you've got some troubles, and they need to be addressed rather quickly.
All right, coming up at the top of our number two of America First, we're going to talk with the longest serving member of the United States Commission on Civil Rights, Peter Kersenow.
He's going to join us to talk about why the Democrats on that commission don't want to acknowledge crime in America.
Stay tuned for that and for our two of America First with Dr. Gorka.
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Coming up in our number two of America First with Sebastian Gorka, we're going to talk with the longest serving commissioner in the history of the United States Commission on Civil Rights, Peter Kersenow.
Also, it's Second Amendment Friday.
What does that mean?
Chris Doerr, director of Ohio Gun Owners, is going to join us to talk about a couple of things.
In the state of Washington, the governor there has banned assault weapons.
He didn't need Joe Biden say so.
And why is ATF going to ban pistol braces?
We'll talk about all of that in our two of America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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The guy I speak of is the longest-serving commissioner in the history of the United States Commission on Civil Rights.
He is also a best-selling author.
He is a part-time columnist, a part-time law professor, a full-time lawyer.
He is Peter Kersenow.
He joins us now on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, also from Cleveland, Ohio.
Commissioner Kersenow, good to talk to you sir.
How are you?
Always good to be with you, Bob.
Peter, there's a lot to talk about here, and you and I talked on Tuesday for almost an hour or so, but shockingly and surprisingly to me, and I feel kind of bad about this, we didn't talk about this, because I wasn't aware of this little moment in time.
Something happened one week ago today, now it was last Friday, at a commission meeting, a meeting of the Commission on Civil Rights, a little showdown that was described by the Daily Wire as being a bit of chaos.
Can you tell us Why it is that your Democrat colleagues on the Civil Rights Commission refused to study or talk about the recent spike in violent crime, particularly when the victims of that violent crime are African American, Peter?
Well, it's par for the course for the left.
There are bomb throwers who like to do everything possible to, it seems, to increase or lead to the increase in crime and then run away from it.
Once it actually happens, and there's a variety of reasons we can discuss at length at some other time as to why they do these things.
Many people, including Tucker Carlson, believe it's strategic.
Others think it's simply politically tactical.
It gives them a certain momentary advantage.
But the bottom line here is, just to give your listeners the digest of this, the Civil Rights Commission consists of eight commissioners appointed by the President, Speaker of the House, and Senate Majority Leader.
Well, we had four vacancies on the commission that were all appointed by progressives, okay?
And Biden appointed these individuals and designated one person as the chair and one person as the vice chair, and by statute, the rest of the commissioners have to confirm his nominations for chair and vice chair.
And we took that as an opportunity to insist That we have a hearing on the effect of crime on minorities, the victims of crime.
And this is something that the previous set of progressive commissioners had assured us we were going to do, but then they got cycled off.
And, you know, there's a good reason to believe that they were cycled off and not reappointed for the very reason that they had agreed to conduct a hearing on crime and the minority victims of crime.
Pete, why is that a source of contention?
Why would either the old or the new commissioners coming in, why would this be something they wouldn't want to address?
Isn't that what civil rights is all about, is making sure that all... You better believe it.
Right?
I mean, I would think that this would be, like, unanimous.
Why are they opposing that?
We cover all manner of civil rights issues, you know.
As you know, Bob, I've got an amicus brief before the Supreme Court on students for fair admissions versus Harvard with respect to racial preferences, but for me, Civil rights is the right to remain alive.
It's the most fundamental right.
And when you're getting killed, that's depriving you of your most basic civil right.
And, in fact, we know that minorities are getting killed at a far higher rate.
There's a false narrative that Heather MacDonald, you and my friend, has debunked that says that whites are out there killing minorities, when just the opposite is the true.
All the data show that the vast majority of interracial crime is black against white or black against Asian.
A very precious little goes in the opposite direction, but that's contrary to the narrative of the media and our progressives would like us to believe.
But the bottom line here is we've got a lot of minorities who are the victims of crime.
We happen to have a hunch as to why that is.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.
All you have to do is go to progressive jurisdictions like Chicago with Kim Foxx, St.
Louis with Kim Gardner, Philadelphia with Larry Krasner, Alvin Bragg in New York, you know, what's his name, George Gascon in Los Angeles, goes on and on and on.
And a lot of these policies we have talked about for quite some time, these progressive policies are, you can take a straight line from the policy to a spike in crime, and black people, brown people, white people, Asian people are suffering as a result.
These policies are universally progressive policies.
You will not find a conservative policy anywhere in sight that contributes to an increase in crime.
After they do that, they're like bomb throwers.
They throw the bomb, and they go running away and don't want to address the aftermath.
But the aftermath is wreaking havoc throughout the United States of America, and we want to pin down.
Look, it's easy for us to say.
That if you, and we had at the Commission years ago, I used to say, Bob, that if you want to know what the left has planned for America tomorrow, come to a Civil Rights Commission hearing today.
Actually, what they are planning for the United States of America five years from now.
Because they try out all of their lunatic propositions at the Commission first, and then four or five years later, they begin to implement them.
And this is what we saw over the last several years with respect to what they were doing or what they were having hearings on at the Commission, such as bail reform and cashless bail.
That's something that we did maybe six years ago.
And, you know, many of us were waving our hands, trying to get everyone's attention, saying, this is coming down the pike.
Be careful about this, legislators, both at the state and the federal level.
This is what they've got planned for us.
It's going to be a debacle.
And do whatever you can.
Pass legislation, you know, make sure that you put forth the best candidates you've got so that you don't have these lunatic prosecutors out there.
But this is the natural result of their policies.
And we wanted to highlight it so that it would be informative for not just voters but for members of the different state legislatures, for city councils, and for the federal government so they could implement policies.
We make recommendations, findings and recommendations, that we will issue in a report.
Our statutory report goes to the White House and others, and it would say here, and again, this is not rocket science, but you've got to get this stuff on the record, and you have to have experts who will be testifying, you have victims who are testifying, prosecutors, cops, and the whole thing, so that we have a complete record and an analysis of what the problems are, what have been the causes of all these problems.
I mean, all of you out there listening know what the problems are, probably.
But we can't simply say, here's the problem, a bad prosecutor, and then expect Congress to implement something to counter that.
You have to have an articulated basis for how you approach legislation.
So that was our effort, and they didn't want to do that.
So, not only did they not want to do that, they were willing to sacrifice their confirmation as Chair and Vice-Chair.
Let's go back to the meeting now and talk about what happened.
Tell me how it got to where it got, and tell me who Morrow, what's his name, Morales is.
Morales.
Morales would be right.
He's the staff director who pretty much hijacked the meeting.
Now, typically, I am president at these meetings, and if I were president, I'd like to think this would have happened.
But I had to participate remotely in the meeting, so I had a little bit of a disadvantage.
But he's the staff director.
He does not run the meetings.
He does not make any decisions related to commission business.
He merely directs the staff.
He's an administrative head of the commission.
But he pretty much hijacked the meeting.
And it was dictating to people what votes we could take and how to take them.
But bottom line is this, so your audience understands, when the president nominates a proposed chair and vice chair, he has to get the majority of the commission to concur with that.
Otherwise, we don't have his chair and vice chair.
Well, we had said, as a condition of doing that, we had no problem voting for his nominees But as a condition of doing so, we wanted to get confirmed that the agreement that we had come to, to have a hearing on the victims of crime, would go forward.
We wanted that as a precondition, because now we had a new set of commissioners.
And so they refused to do it, and we went back and forth, back and forth over a period of several hours, trying to achieve some type of compromise, and they refused to do it.
They'd rather not have that, and maybe they thought they'd have some leverage with the White House by doing so, but they'd rather not have that confirmation.
They sabotaged their own confirmations in furtherance of a much bigger agenda, and that is Radio silence when it comes to what are the causes and who are the victims of the crime increase.
So this was all one week ago.
Where are we one week later?
Do you have a chair and a vice chair now or not?
No, we don't.
And in fact, without revealing a whole lot of confidences, I had conversations today with some of our counterparts.
It doesn't appear that that's going to happen.
We're at a point of stasis.
I don't know what's going to break the law, Jim, but we're committed to getting hearings on this.
We think it's that important.
And all they have to do is say, let's address this extremely important issue, at which they're going to be present.
There are going to be four commissioners on the progressive side, four commissioners on the conservative side.
We'll have witnesses that we agree upon.
We'll listen to the witnesses, and then we're going to have to forge a report that has to have some degree of consensus to it.
So, what is the problem?
Why can't we address an issue that all of America sees as being just incredibly serious?
And they don't want to see because then they'll have to address it.
If they acknowledge it, then they have to address it and what should be done about it.
And that's going to lead us to a place where they don't want to be.
Peter Kershonow is the longest serving member of this Commission on Civil Rights in the United States.
We'll continue with him right after this when we come back.
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Bob Frantz in for Dr. G with Peter Kersenow, member of the United States Commission on Civil Rights.
So, Pete, before we go back to the issue of, you know, the crime victims that you want to study and that the majority on your commission wants to study, I want to go back to the meeting and what happened one week ago, because without a chair or a vice chair,
You were pretty much leaderless until Mauro Morales, the staff director, stepped up and pretty much took over the meeting and said, you know, and essentially told your colleague, Gail Harriet, when she can talk and when she can't, leading you to blow up with the following, and you can tell me if this is reported accurately, quote, Mr. Staff Director, and I'm saying this with the exclamation points included here, Mr. Staff Director, on what authority are you directing Commissioner Harriot to vote?
You are Staff Director, not the Commission Director.
So, Peter, is that how it went down, and why was that so important?
Well, that is how it went down, and it was a pretty contentious hearing, pretty raucous hearing, because the Staff Director is exactly as you just described, or I described, in that if he directs staff, the Commission, it would be almost as if a staffer On the Senate Judiciary Committee would tell a senator what to do or how to vote or cut off his microphone.
And that was a completely ultra-virus act.
He doesn't have the statutory or regulatory authority to do that.
The progressives permitted him to do that because he was favoring the progressives and pretty much doing their bidding in many respects, we believe.
In terms of the manner in which he was trying to conduct the meeting.
And so it's inappropriate.
It's an ongoing problem.
It's not just this individual.
It's an ongoing problem with respect to what happens at the Commission from time to time.
And since I've been there longer than anybody else, it usually falls to me to kind of police these things.
And I didn't want to blow up, but things were going just remarkably off the rails.
You would hope that we could have a civil meeting.
It's a federal agency.
We think we're doing somewhat important work.
It's not the most crucial agency in the world, but we do provide information to the various regulatory bodies and legislative bodies so that they can pass the best legislation possible.
And on this particular issue, again, contentious issue, but we want to make sure we're protecting people and we're not making any headway.
Yeah, which I apologize for the chuckle, but it shouldn't be a contentious issue, as we said at the very beginning.
The idea that there would be any member of the Civil Rights Commission that would be opposed to studying the impact on people of violent crime in communities, to see whether or not it has a disparate effect on one particular race or another, literally affecting their civil rights.
The idea that this would be something that is contentious is beyond the scope of my comprehension.
But as I asked you off the air, Peter, The data is largely already there.
You want to bring an analyst, right, to clarify what you said.
You want to bring an analyst from the FBI to make sense of that data and then issue a Civil Rights Commission report.
Why is that so, you know, such a game-changer or such a deal-breaker, if you will, for your colleagues on that commission?
Because the reasons why, it's pretty clear.
We want to establish this and confirm it, of course, but it's my belief that a hearing like this would reveal what many of us suspect, and that is the policies and practices of predominantly progressive prosecutors, legislators, executives, have led to spikes in crime, exacerbate the crime problem.
You look at Chicago... And when you do that, Pete, and I apologize because I don't want to repeat what we did before, but When you look at the policies that impact the crime rates in these communities, you have to look at the crimes themselves.
And when you underscore the overwhelming majority of victims, you also then have to look at their perpetrators, the ones who committed the crimes against them.
And that's at least how it seems to me, from what you're saying, what your Democrat colleagues on the Civil Rights Commission, they do not want to do.
They don't want people to know that.
Right, exactly right.
That is my belief, and I think it's backed up by just a rational look at the facts.
The fact of the matter is, you look at who both the perpetrators and victims are, and they're overwhelmingly minority, almost overwhelmingly black, and they don't want, I believe, to acknowledge the fact that their policies are hurting their most loyal constituencies, which goes to the point, why would these be their most loyal constituencies if their policies are doing such violent harm to those constituencies
we have some pretty good ideas about that but i think it's important to get those things public important to have people who are on the ground commissioners the police commissioners cops f_b_i_ folks you name it people who deal with the center rate day-to-day basis and also scientists and others who study the aggregate data income to certain The fact of the matter is you look at some of this stuff, a black teenager is 100 times more likely to be the victim of gun homicide
Then a white teenager in the first 18 months after George Floyd.
That is a stat.
100 times you would think that would be a four alarm fire for anybody.
Democrat, Republican, I don't care who you are.
And they'd want to find out what are the best mechanisms by which we can reverse this.
But no.
They don't want to even touch it.
I don't have to tell the audience.
They know how serious this is.
They've seen the mob.
Most people know the follow-up stat there.
If a black teenager is 100 times more likely to be shot than a white teenager, then you also have to look at the extraordinary number, the percentage, which is in the low 90s, I believe.
Over 90% of violent crimes committed against blacks are committed by blacks, just like it's the same thing in the white race.
85% or so of white victims of violent crime are victimized by other white people.
Most crimes are within the same race.
So if you have somebody that's 100 times more likely and they're African-American, then it's 100 times more likely that it is an African-American shooter.
And this is something that they just cannot allow to hit the media.
Right, but there's also the false narrative that Heather MacDonald has shown just recently, just this week, that 87% of non-lethal violent crime Interracial crime is committed by blacks against whites.
That's a fact.
And why do we have that?
But the counter-narrative is what you hear in the press.
The press and liberal politicians love to make people think that black people, it's like walking while black, or driving while black, and all these other things while black, as if blacks have a target on their back.
But blacks do have a target on their back, but most likely the perpetrator is going to be another black person.
Well, you know, and you're 100% right, and I listened to Heather McDonald talk about this, and she of course is being demonized for pointing these things out, but just by an example, two weeks ago there was a young 16-year-old black kid who went to the wrong house and got shot.
His name is Ralph Yarle, and he went to the White House with his family because of, oh my gosh, what a terrible thing, some racist white man shot this black kid.
On the same day, a 20-year-old white girl who pulled into the wrong driveway, almost identical, was shot and killed, not a word, from the White House.
Not a word from anybody I would imagine in the Civil Rights Commission other than maybe you.
And that gives you a pretty good idea as to why these commissioners are very reluctant.
They were appointed by this administration, by this president.
And the previous four commissioners are now gone because, you know, I don't know why.
I don't know this for a fact, but I tend to think it's not happenstance that when they agreed to have this crime victims report, they disappear and we have a new iteration of commissioners.
Right.
Right.
That's exactly right.
Peter Kersenow, member of the United States Commission on Civil Rights, a Cleveland attorney as well.
Peter, thank you so much for the time.
I appreciate it.
I hope you have a great weekend, sir.
Have a good weekend, Bob.
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So it is Second Amendment Friday, as you know, and coming up in just a bit, we're going to have a conversation with a friend here.
We're doing a lot of Ohio guests today.
It's not intentional.
It just happens to be these are guys I'm very familiar with, and these are tremendous speakers on the topics at hand.
Chris Doerr is going to join us.
He is the director of Ohio, excuse me, gun owners, gun owners of Ohio and Ohio gun owners.
I don't know why I'm having such a hard time spitting that out, but he's director of that group.
And I've had Chris on many times.
We're going to talk about two things.
Number one, why is it that the Biden administration and the new director of ATF, Steve Dettelbach, Why is it that Dettelbach is not acknowledging or is not clarifying that people will not get arrested for using pistol braces?
This is a big story.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and Explosives, Steve Delabach, was questioned by Troy Nels on Wednesday and he would not say whether or not Americans will go to jail if they have an unregistered pistol brace, which of course is used primarily for people with disabilities to be able to take a handgun that they cannot handle themselves because of their disability and turn it into a semi-modified rifle.
Not semi-automatic, but kind of a rifle with the shoulder pistol brace.
And he literally could not say in his testimony before the House committee that people would not go to jail for this.
This would turn millions.
I think Jim Jordan said like three million Americans would be turned into criminals simply for taking advantage of their Second Amendment rights to have a weapon.
And if they have a brace to use them, to help them use it, they would end up being in violation of the law.
They could end up going to prison.
It's not possible for this to happen, right?
Well, we'll talk to Chris Doerr about that.
Also coming up, we're going to talk about what's going on in the state of Washington.
I teased this earlier, but you know, Biden has been continuing to say, oh, we did it once before and I'll do it again.
We're going to ban assault weapons, ban AR-15s, what he calls assault weapons.
We don't have to worry about the real definition of assault weapons.
He doesn't know.
Um, he still thinks rounds and bullets are different things.
But anyway, the governor of, um, of Washington has essentially said, well, I'm not waiting for Joe Biden.
We're gonna ban assault weapons as we define them in the entire state of Washington.
And that is what they're doing right now.
It's, it's, you know, it's just, Second Amendment, be damned!
We don't have to listen.
We're our own state.
We're going to govern ourselves.
And while state rights are obviously extraordinarily important for a lot of different reasons, you cannot just completely take away someone's Second Amendment rights as American citizens.
But that is what they're doing up in the state of Washington with Jay Inslee.
They're doing a lot of radical things up there.
But that one is the one we're going to focus on today, because it is Second Amendment Friday.
So we're going to talk to Chris Dorr about that.
Let me just hit you with this, though, just to kind of, again, if we have listeners up in Washington state, I would love to hear you explain to me what's going on up there.
If you can educate me and tell me why your governor and why your legislature up there is just so off the rails, please call 833-33-GORCA, 833-334-6752.
But this story about the banning of assault weapons without constitutional authority and without congressional authority from the federal government, which upholds the Constitution, that's only the second bizarre story.
The first one from the state of Washington is even more radical.
We talk, I talk on every show that I host, whether it's my local show in Cleveland, Ohio, or whether it's filling in for Dr. G or Dennis Prager or anybody else.
I talk about this ongoing kidnapping, this cult-like kidnapping of young Gen Zers by the LGBTQ community, the trans community.
And in Washington State, they have made that literal, not figurative, when I say kidnapping.
In Washington State, if a minor wants to start taking hormone blockers or puberty blockers and hormones and so on and so forth to begin the process of a medical, physical transitioning because of this bizarre social contagion that they're dealing with right now, if that child asks his or her parents for those hormones and the parents say no, And the kids are so mad that they run away from home.
The state of Washington will not tell the parents where those kids are.
They'll take them in.
They'll put them in state-sponsored foster homes and they'll feed them the hormone blockers and they will keep the parents away from them.
Literally kidnapping them.
So that's the radicalism that we're talking about up in Washington state.
And that's one of the topics on the Washington side that we'll talk about with Chris Dorr.
That's coming up.
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And as we continue on this Second Amendment Friday, let's welcome Chris Doerr.
He is the Director of Ohio Gun Owners.
Chris, thank you for joining us here on America First with Dr. Gorka.
How are you, my friend?
I'm doing well, and I love freedom, so I love joining shows like this.
It's my pleasure to be here.
I know you do.
You are one of the foremost experts in this field that I know, not just in the state of Ohio, but nationally.
That's why I'm glad to bring you on to this national program and let other people hear from me.
So there's two issues that I wanted to discuss with you today, primarily, Chris.
And the first one is going to be about the Congressional Committee hearings that were held this week.
And the director, the new director of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Steve Dellebach, who's from Cleveland, ironically, who pretty much doesn't know anything about firearms that was established in some of the in some of the testimony also is refusing to declare that people over three million of whom we think so far according to Jim Jordan that people who use pistol braces and these are people who generally have disabilities
You can tell us more about what those are.
Over 3 million people won't go to jail for having this if they do indeed pass some sort of a regulation that would outlaw pistol braces.
What can you tell us about these things?
Well, so for those of you who don't know what a pistol brace is, it is simply a brace that attaches onto an AR platform style pistol, which they've now expanded to include other platforms.
It originally was designed to help people with disabilities be able to better control firearms.
And the ATF wrote a rule several years ago that totally authorized the production, sale, and manufacture of these things.
So people went out and bought them by the millions.
Some people estimate 30 to 40 million of them in circulation out there.
So now, I think it's safe to say for those of you who watched this hearing, When you have an anti-gun committed leftist like Steve Dettelbach, when he sits there and refuses to give an answer, will we become felons for owning these things?
I think it's safe to say you know what their assumptions are.
I think their silence and refusal to answer tells you everything you know.
If you have one, if there's an undercover ATF agent at your local shooting range, and you purchased one of these things illegally from your gun shop, you went through the background check, I think they'll have no problem hooking up Joe Plummer, Joe America, or we call him here in Ohio, Susie Buckeye, or Betty Buckeye, there we go.
They'll have no problem hooking them up with a felony charge, even though this rule was never passed as a law by Congress.
This was a rule promulgation made by an unelected bureaucrat, never passed by Congress.
You know, this might be a little bit outside the scope of the conversation, but you described the new director of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives as being a committed anti-Second Amendment guy.
How can a guy who hates the Second Amendment, who hates guns, be in charge of the The Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
This guy is never going to advocate on behalf of the Second Amendment and on behalf of the people who wish to defend themselves against tyranny or criminals or whatever.
Just having this guy in this position, Chris, it's counterintuitive, right, to the issue.
Well, I guess it's kind of counterintuitive to have a president that hates the very country that he's supposed to be the president of, but yet here we are.
We see this in all levels of government now.
The least qualified people for the position are the ones chosen because they take an oath.
They will persecute and prosecute the agenda and the worldview that they subscribe to, these people.
They despise freedom with every bone in their body.
That's the credential that makes people like Steve Dettelbach get selected for the position in the first place.
Well said.
We're talking to Chris Doerr, he's the director of Ohio Gun Owners.
Let's move to, away from Dettelbach, to Governor Jay Inslee of Washington.
Chris, he signed on Tuesday three gun reform bills, including an assault weapons ban, again, pretty much a term without a definition, which makes Washington the 10th state, and I didn't realize this, to ban assault-style weapons, now this is CBS News reporting it this way, such as the AR-15 and the AK-47.
The idea that they link those two things together as if they're somehow, you know, similar is beyond the scope of my comprehension.
But what's your analysis of what we're seeing up there?
Well, I think it's safe to say now that for years when conservative gun owners who were looking ahead with any kind of clarity, they were saying, no, their agenda is to disarm us.
They're coming for our guns.
And yet all these people are like, oh, who's coming for your guns?
Who's honestly coming for your firearms?
I think it's safe to say now we can put that stupidity to rest.
It's clear and present now with HB 1240, I think is the number out there.
They're absolutely coming for our guns.
This bill banned almost a hundred different styles of rifles and fire and shotguns.
Not just rifles.
Some people don't know that.
A lot of people, when gun control is being considered, a lot of people will assuage their conscience over their inaction and say, well, at least there's a grandfather clause.
At least I'm going to get to be able to keep the ones that I've currently got.
This bill out there that Inslee signed into law, it has a grandfather clause that is only one generation.
So I could inherit firearms if I lived in Washington State, God forbid.
I could inherit firearms from my dad.
But I could not then pass them on to my kids.
So it's a one generation grandfather clause.
And they went way further.
They even outlawed the sale of firearms parts to be used to maintain these firearms.
If you shatter a firing pin, you're out of luck.
You're a criminal.
If you try to go get a new part to fix that firearm.
Well, if it's only one generation and not two, they can't even call it a grandfather clause.
It's just a father clause, number one.
I've got a couple more questions on this.
Chris Doerr, can you hang?
You bet.
We'll take a short timeout and come right back with Chris Doerr as we continue America First.
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Thank you, Dr. G. It is six minutes before the top of the hour.
A little bonus, Second Amendment Friday, as Chris Dorr from Ohio Gun Owners stays with us for just the final three and a half minutes or so of this hour that we have for you.
Chris, we were talking about assault weapons, we were talking about what Jay Inslee did, the governor up there, and the story that told, you know, the story, or the media report that told the story of their ban up there, quoted this stat, 85% of mass shooting fatalities are caused by assault weapons.
They act as though mass shooting fatalities are the overwhelming types of fatalities in the country, when the reality is they are exceedingly rare, and that firearms, handguns I should say, are the firearms that are the cause of the overwhelming number of deaths.
Why is it that they continue to demonize this one style of weapon?
Well, I think there's one style of weapon that is the most effective tool to use when government decides to become tyrannical, and that is They don't want to talk about handgun violence, to use their terminology.
They don't want to talk about the firearms used in the average everyday crime.
In fact, I think I saw a stat recently that says that knives are used in more fatal criminal encounters than even firearms are.
They're not ever going to talk about those things, because here's why.
Like I said, AR-15s are very effective tools.
But the whole point of the Second Amendment is a restriction on government.
We agree, killer criminals are bad, but killer governments are far worse.
In the gun rights community for years, you always heard people talk about Australia as the model of a country that they've outlawed the private ownership of firearms, and now look, their violent crime went down.
Our reaction to that was always, yes, but even if that were true, the government of Australia hasn't turned on its citizens yet to start committing genocide.
In the 20th century, I'm sure your audience knows a lot about this or knows this stat, but in the 20th century, a minimum of 65 million innocent citizens were murdered by their governments.
That's what the Second Amendment is about.
That's why they're passing bills like this in states like this.
And you know what?
It's time for Republicans and conservative legislators and lawmakers and all levels of government across America to start playing by these same rules.
When you get the votes, you run all this stuff back and run maximum freedom bills right back at them.
Make them live by their own rules, like the rules for radicals lays out.
Yeah, very Saul Alinsky.
Yep, that's very well said.
Chris Doerr, Director of Ohio Gun Owners.
By the way, just to throw a few more stats out there, or at least one more stat out there, and this has been actually given the true rating by PolitiFact.
FBI crime stats as recently as 2020 show 662 homicides were committed that year by hands and fists and feet.
455 by rifle.
So if you want to confiscate what is the most deadly weapons, you're going to have to surgically amputate people's hands and feet from them.
It's safer than leaving guns in the hands of American people.
Chris Dorr, Ohio Gun Owners, thank you.
Keep up the great work educating people about the importance of the Second Amendment.
We appreciate it.
That's Chris Doerr.
This is Second Amendment Friday.
I'm Bob France.
Larry Elder is going to join me at the top of the next hour on America First.
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It's the sage, Larry Elder.
Larry Elder here, the sage from South Central, the prince of Pico Union, the czar of common sense, the great Elderski, Don Lorenzo.
Welcome to the program.
No victocrats allowed because we've got a country to save.
So let's get her teed up!
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Say hello to my new friend!
What the hell's going on out here?
Woo!
That's a bingo!
I miss it so much.
I just absolutely love it.
There's no greater start to a radio hour, really, than the three hours we heard that at the start of the Larry Elder Show for years and years and years.
But, Larry Elder did have some bigger ambitions in mind, and what might those be?
So, for all those reasons, I was called the black face of white supremacy and a white supremacist in terms of my views.
My announcement, Tucker, I'm announcing that I'm running for the presidency of the United States on your program.
And thank you so much for giving me this honor and this platform.
Of course.
My website is elderforpresident.com.
Elderforpresident.com.
Yes, indeed.
And how about that?
Talk about irony.
Neither one of those shows are on the air anymore.
Let's welcome the great sage of South Central, Larry Elder, back to AM Radio.
How are you, sir?
I'm great, Bob.
It turned out that was Tucker's second to the last show.
Neither of us knew that.
I know.
I know.
It's kind of crazy.
And we'll talk about that, too.
But first, congratulations to you on the announcement and on your incredible decision.
I know we've talked about this and you've danced around it and kind of hinted about it for several months now, particularly since the gubernatorial recall in California that you ran for.
So you finally pulled the trigger and made the decision.
Larry Elder, you know what you're facing.
You know what kind of an uphill climb this would be.
Why have you decided to run for president?
Well, you know, my father, as you know, Bob, was a Marine.
He served in the Second World War on Guam.
My older brother and late older brother, Kirk, was in the Navy.
He was a Vietnam-era vet.
My little brother, Dennis, was in the Army.
He actually went to Vietnam.
I didn't serve.
And I've never felt good about it.
And I really feel that I want to give back to a country that's been so great to my family and me.
You're right.
It is a huge sacrifice in energy and time and money.
And I'm not flush.
I'm not Donald Trump.
But I feel that I have a moral A patriotic and a spiritual obligation to give back to a country that's been so great to me.
And a couple of things I want to talk about.
You know, we all know what the major issues are.
The borders are insane.
The inflation is insane.
The way the anti-cop rhetoric has caused crime to go up.
The George Soros assault on crime DAs.
The fact that we're no longer energy independent.
The disastrous pullout from Afghanistan, which I believe encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine and encouraging more aggression on part of the Chinese.
These are the issues that We all know.
And I think most of the Republican candidates pretty much feel the same way about all those issues.
But I think I bring, Bob, a couple of things to the table that the others don't.
And one is a full-throated rejection of the notion that America is systemically racist.
Democrats put racism on virtually every issue.
They do it not just because they believe it.
I think some of them actually do believe it.
But they want black people to believe it.
So that blacks are angry, think of themselves as victims.
And vote in a near monolithic way for the Democratic Party without that monolithic black vote they can't win at the top level and they know it.
The other thing I think I bring to the table is to at least discuss the number one domestic issue facing this country that our side is not talking enough about and the other side doesn't talk at all about.
And that is the epidemic of fatherlessness.
40% of all American kids now come into the world without a father in the home married to the mother.
It is 70% in the black community, 50% in the Hispanic community, 25% in the white community.
And I believe what we've done with our welfare state is to incentivize women to marry the government and incentivize men to abandon their financial and moral responsibilities.
And we do not talk enough about that and the damage it's doing to our country.
No, we definitely do not, Larry.
Let me just dovetail off of that last part for a moment.
You, of course, made that a big central theme of your show for years and years and years, and you talked about the epidemic of fatherlessness and what it did to the black community and what it did overall to the American community because of the disparities that exist because of that.
So I'll have to ask you then.
Joe Biden, a guy who of course you may be running up against if things go well for you, said just during the National and State Teacher of the Year celebration in the Rose Garden that the kids are not ours.
Quote, there is no such thing as someone else's child, no such thing.
Our nation's children are all of our children.
In other words, forget about the fathers, which the state has largely done.
We're going to raise the kids, and we're going to do it through the government-run schools and so forth.
How do you respond to that?
It's scary.
I mean, it's straight out, literally straight out of the Communist Manifesto.
Karl Marx believed that he wanted to divorce children from their parents and wanted them to be raised by the state in state schools.
What's also interesting about all of this, Barbara, you look at these people in their own private lives, whether it's the Bidens, the Clintons, or the Obamas.
Biden went to private school.
His kids went to private school.
Chelsea Clinton, as you know, went to Sidwell Friends, a private school.
Barack Obama himself went to a private school in Hawaii, then goes down to L.A. to a private school for his first two years in college, sends his up at Columbia private school, goes to Harvard private school, and sends the girl, Sasha Malia, to a private elementary school.
And then they also went to Sidwell Friends when Obama went to D.C.
So they talk the talk about government schools and how good it is for the kids to be educated by these government teachers, but they don't do that in their own private lives.
Yeah, the hypocrisy is thick there.
So, let's go back to the reasons for running.
You laid it out with your father and certainly wanting to give back to this great country, I get that.
You ran, obviously, got your first taste of what it's like to run for office in that California gubernatorial.
Tell me about the challenges.
What did you learn there that will help you in this run, which of course is even that much more difficult?
Well, I learned that Mother Teresa, John the Baptist, and Moses Could run as a Republican statewide in California and they would lose.
That's what I learned.
We're outnumbered 3 to 1 in terms of registration here in California.
A person has not won statewide in California in almost 20 years.
And when the race was over, Bob, I go to Key West to lick my wound.
And so many people came up to me, bought me drinks, bought my dinner, which is why I've gained 10 pounds.
I'm sure you can hear it in my voice.
And they asked me to run for president.
And, you know, the more I thought about it, the more I said, you know, frankly, it'd be easier for me to be elected president of the United States and to win statewide in California as a Republican.
So the more I thought about it, the more I thought I had a leg.
And, you know, regarding 45, I know you're going to ask me about that.
Republicans are of two minds about him.
There are those who love him and there are those who love his policies and love what he did as president, but fear that for reasons that are entirely, mostly not fair to him, That people will not vote for him in sufficient numbers to beat Joe Biden in November 2024.
And if that is your position, you need a candidate who's got the policies and views you'd like, but who's got the personality, temperament, and likability that might make people who are moderate Democrats and Independents pull the lever for him as opposed to 45.
And if you feel that way, I'm your guy.
Well, I'm glad you said that, and I'm glad you phrased it that way, because you are one of the most likable personalities I've ever known.
And I mean, known personally, since you and I speak.
But that I've seen either.
It's almost impossible not to like you, because you are gracious, you are humble, you are strong in your conviction and what you believe in, but you do not beat people over the head.
So I love all of those things about you.
But let's go back to what you said, I have a lane here.
What is your lane amongst all of the others who may fit that bill?
We have the same policies and the same ideology as Donald Trump, but we don't have all of the unlikables.
Where do you fit in among the potential DeSantis and the Haley and the Ramaswamy and the Tim Scott?
Where do you fit in that field?
Well, I guess I would put it this way, Bob.
I don't look at it like that.
I look at it like I'm auditioning to be President of the United States.
And I'm asking people in the center to take a look at me.
And I don't have horns.
I don't have a tail.
And that if you listen to me and listen to my ideas, I think that they are good for the country.
And I'm just asking for that.
I'm not asking you to compare me to this person or that person or this person.
Just, do you want somebody who has common sense, a good judgment, and who for 40 years has been talking about issues from a conservative point of view, talking about them, debating them with listeners on TV, in my column I've had for almost 30 years?
That's the kind of person you want?
Then take a look at me.
Again, I'm your guy.
Yeah, and Larry Elder may indeed be the guy, maybe the guy for a lot of Sebastian Gorka listeners, maybe for people across this country.
Maybe they hadn't even thought about him, because as we talked about this, and we're going to continue this conversation with Larry Elder after the timeout that's on its way here, but as we've talked about this, obviously President Trump is far and away the leader in the clubhouse, if you will, to borrow that vernacular from the world of golf.
He's got huge leads in the very early polling.
Doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but it's an indicator that the Non-Trump candidates, the Vivek Ramaswamis, the Yoranda Santises, the Tim Scotts, and some of the others, you know, it's an indication that they've got a very, very high hill to climb, pretty much a mountain to climb.
And, you know, they're all kind of fighting to be the non-Trump candidate who's conservative and wants that role.
So we'll talk more to Larry Elder after this timeout that's coming.
Larry Elder, I think, is a phenomenal, phenomenal person.
I think he's a great broadcaster.
And I'll tell you what, I thought he would have made a hell of a governor of California.
I think he had a great run there, and I think he's got some great ideas here, even though this is a very, very uphill race that he is about to embark upon.
So we're going to continue this conversation with the Sage from South Central.
And I said this before, and maybe I'll ask him again in the next segment, if this doesn't work out, I know where there's an 8 p.m.
primetime talk show opening.
I wonder if he'd be interested in that one.
We'll be back.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Yes indeed, and thank you Dr. G. I'm loving this conversation and I want to continue it now.
He's a dark horse presidential candidate to be sure, but I'll tell you what, he's got a lot of popularity and a lot of fans.
Let's continue now with part two of my interview with Larry Elder.
Larry, speaking of debating on TV, President Trump has such a massive lead on all of these very early, early, early, early polls right now that he actually said on his Truth Social a couple of days ago, why would I debate?
Why would I go on stage and debate these people?
The primary is over.
I'm the guy.
You obviously would need those debates.
You need to convince people and show people what you are and compare yourself and so forth to the others.
What do you make of him saying, or essentially hinting anyway, that he may not agree to debate anyone?
Well, I wouldn't pretend to give Donald Trump advice on how to handle that.
Strategically, it might even be a smart thing for him to do.
I mean, I didn't debate my rivals here when I ran for governor in California.
They had several Republican debates.
I didn't think it made any sense because the target was Gavin Newsom.
It was a two-part deal, as you know.
And first, voters had to vote Gavin Newsom out.
And then the second part is, who do you want to replace him?
And in my opinion, had we directed our fire towards Gavin Newsom, the first part of the ballot would have passed.
You'd be talking to me from Sacramento.
So I can understand why Donald Trump feels he's got a record to run on.
People know who he is.
He's got 100% name recognition.
He probably feels he only has things to lose by standing up there next to sharp, articulate people.
And I could respect that, but I'm not going to do that.
I'm certainly going to show up.
The first debate is in Milwaukee, and I can't wait.
Some might say that the real lane for you here is to expand your brand a little bit, let people know how likable you are, how sensible, how strong your policies are, and so forth, and that might line you up for a nice VP slot.
Is there any thought to that at all?
No.
I'm running for president.
Again, I'm running against Biden-Harris.
If the ball lands that way, and if somebody else becomes a nominee, and that person calls me and asks me to be his or her running mate, I will answer the call.
But that's not my goal.
And, you know, regarding all these predictions that Donald Trump has this thing in the bag, did anybody really believe that Donald Trump would get the nomination in 2016?
I certainly did not at first.
Did anybody believe Biden would get the nomination in 2020?
I certainly did not.
There was a guy that ran unsuccessfully for governor of California and then ran and became a twice elected president.
His name is Richard Nixon.
And regarding my background, for crying out loud, as I said earlier, I've been doing these issues, talking about them for 40 years.
I ran for, if California were a separate country, Bob, it would be the fourth largest country in the world.
And unlike AOC, I wasn't a bartender before I entered politics.
Thank heavens.
Don't tell me you're not qualified.
Let's talk about Joe Biden since you said that's who you're really running against here is Biden and Harris, and you're exactly right.
He released that three-minute video on Monday at like six o'clock in the morning when very few people would see it.
He would not make his announcement of his re-election before a crowd or before a press conference, a pool of reporters, because then he might actually have to respond.
In that three-minute video, Larry, not one single accomplishment was listed.
If you're running for re-election, you're basically saying, look at what a great job I've done for two and a half years thus far.
Re-elect me.
Here are the great things we've done.
Larry, there was not one.
I combed through it again and again.
What does that say?
It said that Biden's job, the reason they wanted Biden to be the nominee, is because they thought that he would be able to defeat Donald Trump.
That was his accomplishment.
That's all his accomplishment is.
And right now, his Biggest argument is, I'm not Donald Trump.
He can't win on the economy, he can't win on gas prices, he can't win on inflation, he can't win on foreign policy.
I think the only issues where he's above water are climate change and abortion.
Outside of that, most Democrats don't even want him to run again.
However, I'm not Trump.
However, I'm not a nagger Republican.
That's all he's got.
Yeah, no, you're exactly right.
So, when you look at some of the things he's done, what would you say is the biggest challenge, I guess, that this nation faces based on what Biden has done?
I mean, is it the education crisis?
Is it the energy crisis and the war on fossil fuels and this somehow belief that we can build enough windmills and solar panels to power the country, including our semi-tractor trailers and so on and so forth?
Is it the drug epidemic, the crime epidemic?
Can you pinpoint the biggest challenge we face That has gotten worse under Joe Biden?
You sound like you wrote my speech.
It's all of the things you said.
And I would also add, however, we have five million illegal aliens in this country.
That was not the case two and a half years ago.
Some number of them are on a terror watch list.
We know we've apprehended several on it, but several have gotten through that clearly have been on the terror watch list, which has also caused the fentanyl crisis.
It's the number one killer of young people.
Today, right now.
So it's all of that.
And I think the way he pressured states into locking down because of COVID, the kids already were near the bottom of all the Western and Asian countries we compete against in terms of reading and math.
And now they've lost a whole nother year of in-school education, which translates into lost earnings over their lifetime.
It's all the spending that he's done.
And, you know, the war on oil and gas, as you pointed out, at one time, gas prices were twice what they were when Trump was elected, when Trump left office.
And now they're about 50 percent higher.
So it's all those things.
This guy has been an absolute total disaster.
It's a target-rich environment for anybody running against him.
Larry Elder, last thing for you here.
And by the way, I'm looking at your website, I'm looking at your priorities, and for people who want to know what your stance is on all these things, crime, school choice, racial harmony, crushing inflation, economic growth, restoring cities, and so forth, China, foreign policy, it's all there at ElderForPresident.com.
But at the very top, of course, is chip in today.
You need donations.
You need support.
Some have speculated it's going to take a billion dollars for a candidate to win the presidency in 2024.
I don't know if that's accurate or not, but it's going to be close, I suppose.
That's a big, big number, and those are some expensive neighborhoods in which to play.
Are you going to be able to handle that?
Yes, and both sides spent about a billion each, I think, the last election cycle, and that's all the money that's spent, independent expenditures as well.
That's pretty much how much both parties are going to spend in order to win.
I think the Democrats outspent Republicans last time around, but generally speaking, we're talking about a billion on either side.
By the way, you didn't ask me what my first action would be when I become president.
I'm going to sign an executive order, Bob, restoring the name Cleveland Indians.
I love that.
I hope you do.
Oh my goodness.
I haven't been able to watch it since they did it, since they caved in.
And by the way, you may or may not have noticed what happened in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The minor league team there, the Indianapolis Indians, released a statement last month that said, we will remain the Indians.
As a matter of fact, we have a signed agreement with some local tribes or whatever that tell us how much they love that name.
The Indianapolis Indians stood fast and stood up for their history and their little heritage there.
The Cleveland Indians caved like the woke cowards that Like woke cowards do, I'll phrase it that way.
And Bob, I read or saw a documentary about why the Indians were called the Indians, and it was to honor the first Native American player in the Major League.
Louis Sakalexis, you're exactly right.
I mean, oh my God.
And they still cave.
How insulting to his memory.
I want people to support Larry Elder.
Larry, you know, the fact that we have a friendship and the fact that we've been colleagues is notwithstanding here.
I love who you are.
I love what you stand for.
You speak so much common sense to so many people.
I want to help you and I want people to help you.
Go to Elder4President.com.
Chip in whatever you can chip into this campaign.
It's going to take an awful lot, obviously, for a political outsider to come in.
You're not the only outsider, too, with Vivek Rabaswamy being there and, you know, some others who have talked about this, too.
Yeah, but I'm the only black face of white supremacy in the race, so I get that.
I love that.
I absolutely love that.
They actually did that to you.
Larry, thank you for coming on.
Thank you for doing what you're doing and for shining a spotlight on these very, very important issues and maybe being the guy that can actually be the answer to the questions that we all have about how to save this country.
We've got a country to save as you've been your It's been your slogan on radio for years.
It's a perfect campaign slogan for the Elder Campaign.
We've got a country to save.
Larry Elder, thank you my friend.
Good luck to you.
God bless you.
Appreciate it.
God bless you as well.
God bless you.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
So what do you think?
You just heard an extensive interview with presidential candidate and former Salem talk show host Larry Elder, one of my favorite people, honestly.
I love sharing the stage with Larry when the opportunity comes.
I love talking to him.
I love listening to him.
And I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't mind being governed by him.
I love his ideas that much.
What do you think?
Even if you are fully entrenched in President Trump's re-election, and you are full-on MAGA, how do you feel about a guy like Larry Elder?
He knows it's an uphill climb.
But he said, you know, he's not going to run against Donald Trump.
He's going to run with his ideas and run against Joe Biden and hope people notice.
And hope people look at that and say, that would be the face and the voice and the ideas to go against Joe Biden.
I love the idea.
I want to know what you thought of the interview and what you think of Larry Elder running for president.
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Also in the final 26 minutes or show this, 26 minutes or left, or we have left in the show.
Easy for me to say.
I'm going to go back to the transing of Gen Z, the attempted kidnapping, if you will, almost cult-like by the LGBTQ meant that continues to target Gen Z and continues to try to take away your liberties in deference to their willingness to, or excuse me, their refusal to be offended.
I want you to watch and listen to a couple of comments here.
You know the face from the Bud Light can that has already cost Bud Light billions of dollars.
You may not know the name Dylan Mulvaney, but this is the adult man who dresses and acts like a six-year-old girl and chronicled his perceived transition into a girl for 365 days and became internet infamous.
Not famous, but infamous.
And there is a difference.
Dylan Mulvaney says it should be illegal Illegal.
To insult her.
Or, see?
She got me doing it now.
Him.
Dylan Mulvaney says it should be illegal to insult him by doing what I just did.
And calling him a him.
Cut three.
Like, the article's written about me using he pronouns and calling me a man over and over again.
And I feel like that should be illegal.
I don't know.
That's just bad journalism.
Bad journalism.
Look in a mirror.
And moreover, look down when you tuck yourself to get dressed for the day.
What you are tucking is proof that calling you he and him and man and that guy and dude are the accurate, correct things to call you.
That's what you are.
You know, we used to have a saying that you do not have a constitutional right to go through your day unoffended.
Because that would mean you are controlling other people's speech.
If you're telling them they're not allowed to offend you, that means they're not allowed to speak as freely as they wish.
You don't have that right.
This guy thinks that he does.
He thinks that this should be illegal for somebody to say something to him or about him that he doesn't like.
Now on that same track, I want you to listen to this one.
Britney Griner, you probably remember, is the starting small forward on the Russian national team for about, I don't know, eight or nine months or however long that she was locked up in that Russian prison.
Okay, she wasn't on the actual team, but you know the story by now, and Biden traded some high-value Russian operatives to get Britney Griner out of a Russian jail for going over there and breaking laws.
Anyway, she's back here in the U.S.
now, and she says she's never going to go play basketball internationally again unless she's on an Olympic team or something.
So I guess that means she doesn't trust herself not to use weed and break the law in other countries so she doesn't get caught again anyway.
She said that and she said a lot more.
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you're gonna have a tremendous platform where is that going to be on your we are in terms of advocating for you know athletes all have to be able to play uh...
that ranks high on the list of things that i'll be fighting for and speaking up against You know, everyone deserves the right to play.
Everyone deserves the right to come here, sit in these seats and feel safe and not feel like there's a threat or they can't be who they are or like it's just all eyes on them.
I think it's a crime, honestly, to separate someone for any reason.
There it is.
There it is again.
I think it should be a crime to stop people from playing on whatever team that they want to.
Because people have a right to not be threatened and people have a right to feel safe.
You mean Like a little 5'6 girl has a right to be safe and not threatened on a basketball court by a 6'8 man grabbing rebounds and throwing elbows and bodying her out of the world?
You think that should be a right that's protected?
No.
The only right you want to protect are your rights.
And by the way, I don't know anything about Brittany Griner.
But if I did, if I didn't, if I never heard of this person before and just watch the video we just watched and heard the voice that we just heard, I would wonder too.
I'll leave it there, and we'll be right back.
Thank you.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
You know, you would think, thank you Dr. G, 17 minutes before the top of the hour, the end of the broadcast, and I'm going to the phones very quickly, I promise.
833-33-GORKA.
If you're on hold, stay there.
If you're not on hold, get there.
We'll get to you.
But I'm just, it's just funny, I just clicked on my Twitter page during the break and it occurred to me, again, you would think that a guy who had over 40,000 followers when he quit Twitter because of the Old Twitter policies of shadow banning and censoring and so forth.
I quit Twitter.
I had over 40,000 followers since I came back six months ago or whatever it is.
I've got barely 5, almost 6,000 followers.
You'd think I'd use a platform like America First to pump my Twitter feed and tell everybody follow me on Twitter and I don't.
I just don't do social media well.
I don't self-promote enough.
But I did look at my Twitter feed and I'm reminded, oh yeah.
I have a Twitter feed.
If you would like to follow me on Twitter and engage in these great conversations, please do so.
It's France Rantz, F-R-A-N-T-Z, at France Rantz, F-R-A-N-T-Z, R-A-N-T-Z.
Find me on Twitter.
Dr. G has got me there.
You can look for me that way as well.
So I said a few minutes ago, and before I go to the phones here, I just want to read this to you because I've been reading it on my local program in Cleveland, Ohio, a few different times.
When I say that the LGBTQ movement that used to be something that is just for, hey, we're trying to achieve tolerance, turned into, no, now we want full acceptance, turned into, no, now we want celebration.
You must celebrate us.
It's much, much, much darker than that now.
It is a full-on cult.
It is a cult movement.
This is why they groom children.
This is why they have their groomers and their recruiters in pre-K classrooms, in kindergarten classrooms, in primary grade classrooms, in middle school classrooms, in high school classrooms, and at the university level.
They are literally recruiting and indoctrinating and brainwashing children to join their cult.
And this letter Is one of the saddest things that I've ever read.
There's a Twitter user named Zuby.
He is a rapper from the UK.
I don't know him very well at all.
I don't know any of the music.
I just know him from his Twitter feed, which is huge.
He's got a million followers.
Alright, if that gives you any idea.
He's got a million followers.
So he's a rapper.
He's also an author.
And he is a public speaker and a phenomenal one.
Well, he told the story.
Actually, he just shared the story of one of his followers who sent him this letter on Twitter.
And it breaks my heart.
You have no idea how deep the trans community preyed upon children throughout the pandemic.
I am dealing with it firsthand.
Our daughter playing what I thought was a kid's game, Roblox, that was filled with child predators.
We pulled her away from it when she mentioned non-binary.
She's okay now.
But our son ventured around our account restrictions and onto Reddit.
As he fell into deep depression from the lockdowns, he then fell even deeper into the Reddit trans activist community, or as I call it, the child predator community.
Our best efforts to get him out of this, for almost three years, has led to the deterioration of our relationship.
He thinks he's a trans girl named blank, and will no longer speak to us because we rightfully won't put him on hormones.
After he referred to me as a Nazi in support of transgenocide, I find it impossible to even communicate with him.
They have him.
Please keep doing what you're doing.
You may save somebody's kid from this situation.
I have no idea what to do with a remarkably bright kid who once had realistic ambitions of being an astrophysicist.
His name is blank, and I love him.
I tell you that story, I share that story with you, because this person was encouraging Zuby to keep what he's doing and fight the trans movement that is literally brainwashing kids like it's a cult.
And the three words that grabbed me the most, as listeners of my local show will tell you, I've repeated this a few times, I apologize for the redundancy to them, but listening coast to coast on America First, you heard these three words, and I hope they grabbed you too.
They have him.
They have him.
That's what a parent would say when their kid has been abducted by a cult and brainwashed and convinced to follow some fantastical group, some sort of radical, you know, mind erasing organization that takes everything you have.
Usually it's money.
Everything that you have is signed over.
It's what Jim Jones got from the People's Temple.
They got them to sign over their mortgages to them, their cars, everything that they had.
That's what cults do.
Well, when it comes to the LGBTQ cult, they are recruiting people and taking everything that they have from them that makes them them.
Not money, but everything about them.
Their mind, their bodies, their souls.
When this parent wrote to Zuby, they have him.
It just struck so hard because that is what social contagion is.
That's what online Influencers do.
They try to influence their young, pre-formative-brained kids into following something that does not exist.
Or following something that is completely and wholly inappropriate for them.
Convincing them to become something they're not so that they can join this deviant, perverse community of individuals who are trying to destroy the American family.
They have him.
Notice that the person didn't say, my son is confused.
My son needs to be get some therapy.
No, they have him.
They did this to him.
And that's reality.
Social contagion is responsible for probably 98 and a half percent of the trans community in this country today, because less than 2% and I think less than 1% actually suffer from the psychological condition known as gender dysphoria.
It's exceedingly rare.
But yet so many kids are saying, I'm trans, I'm non-binary.
They are being groomed.
And yes, psychologically kidnapped by a cult.
They have him.
Those three words are haunting.
God forbid it should happen to you and your child.
God forbid they get pulled into an online game and that's where the groomers strike.
They strike up friendships, then they strike up personal conversations, then they strike up obviously whatever it is, whatever it takes to get these people to question, these kids to question their own existence and their own identities.
Listen, I don't know how many people I'm talking to right now.
Maybe a million people, maybe 500,000.
I don't know how many people are listening to me right now.
Watch your child's online activities like a hawk.
Do not be writing a letter to somebody two years from now saying, I lost my child.
They have him now.
I beg of you.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob Franz.
Well, it is about six minutes before the top of the hour.
Got about three minutes to get a couple of phone calls in.
Let's do that here on America First.
Jim is calling us from Missouri.
Jim, you're on America First with Dr. G. It's Bob sitting in.
Fire away, sir.
Hello.
Thank you for taking my call.
I'm a first-time caller.
Thank you for having Larry Elder on the show.
I met him before when he was in St.
Louis, Missouri.
I think he'd be a Great candidate, and I hope in a similar manner that he or the other Republicans will try to curry the favor of getting former Indianapolis football coach Tony Dungy on board, because Tony Dungy spoke at the March for Life rally last January, and he's spoken very highly about the same things Larry Elder has about fatherlessness in America.
Yes, he has.
Tony Dungy is a great American.
He's a true patriot.
He is a very sincere and devout Christian.
And he does.
He strikes all of the right notes as well.
And whoever he backs in a presidential race, I think, is going to be getting a lot of support from a great man with a lot of great followers.
Jim, thank you for the phone call.
I love Tony Dungy.
I do.
And I think Larry Elder would do well to get an endorsement from somebody like that.
I don't know what it would take, but I certainly agree.
Let's go to Sandy in Minneapolis.
Sandy, you're on America First, fire away.
Yeah, hi.
Actually, I just wanted to comment on the letter that you just wrote, or read, one of Zuby's followers.
I live in Minnesota, and our legislature just passed, and our governor signed into bill, that Minnesota will now be a trans-refuge state for minors.
They not only have the children, they have adults, too.
Yeah, I'm shaking my head.
I know you can't see it on the radio, but I'm so disgusted when I hear those things.
There are those states that have declared themselves to be trans refuges, like you just said, which of course encourages, and this is something nobody talks about and nobody thinks about too, Sandy.
It encourages not only kids to run away and try to, you know, carry out their transitioning or whatever somewhere else.
It also encourages, in my mind, human trafficking.
They're going to look for help.
Can you get me from here to there?
Okay, what will you do for me to do it?
Well, what do I have to do?
It leads to sex trafficking.
It leads to, you know, the abuse of these kids.
And it's all because you've got all of these radicals out there, like the ones you're talking about, saying, come here.
It's a safe space for trans people.
Right.
Yeah.
Thank you for taking my call.
Thank you for making the call.
I appreciate it.
But there's no such thing as a safe space when you're talking about allowing people, allowing young children to take their temporary, momentary delusions or influences by online personalities and by their, you know, some of these guidance counselors, as I said before.
The adults who went through this only to regret it after the fact, the people they hate most in the world are the former adults in their lives when they were kids.
The adults who were supposed to look out for them and stop them from getting into this ridiculous, you know, transitioning phase.
They're the ones.
They're the ones that you need to listen to.
The ones who made the mistakes and the ones who were surrounded by adults who made it easier, who were aiding and abetting, if you will, these crimes against the bodies of these kids.
Hey, that's going to do it for America First today.
I'm Bob France.
Happy to sit in for Dr. G. So glad to talk to you.