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May 2, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that actually deals with what we're seeing at the border.
And that's why you've seen the parolee program be so successful.
When it comes to illegal migration, you've seen it come down by more than 90%.
And that's because of the actions that this president has taken.
She's not very smooth at lying, is she?
That's Corinne Jean-Pierre, the press secretary to the current incumbent of the White House.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is America First.
And yes, you heard correctly.
She said that illegal immigration has dropped by 90%.
Which is strange, because we've had at least 4 million illegal immigrants cross into this nation since Biden was sworn in.
Under COVID, under President Trump, with Title 42, which is about to expire, we suppressed illegal immigration to a trickle.
But now with millions, millions of illegal immigrants coming to the country, they're telling you that they've decreased illegal immigration by 90%.
How is that possible?
Well, very simply, Because they're not classing those individuals as illegal.
70% of the Customs and Border Protection Agency's officers are not actually patrolling the border or securing the border.
You need to understand the facts if we are to take back this nation.
They are processing illegal immigrants into the country as instead, as Tom Homan, as Mark Morgan has have said, they are the Walmart greeters for Biden's open border America.
As I was preparing for today's show, I heard on a news cast on the radio that President Biden is about to deploy the US Army to the border.
That's not exactly what he's doing.
Let me tell you what's really happening.
The federal troops that are being deployed to the border is an idea that we should welcome if those in high office were recognizing the border situation as a crisis, as the troops were some response to that crisis.
If you dig a little bit deeper, you find out the truth.
The truth is this.
In the executive order that is being used to deploy those troops to the border, it is stated that their only purpose will be transport and administration.
Let me say that again.
U.S.
federal forces from the United States Army are being deployed To the border for administration and transport purposes.
What does that mean?
Whose transport?
Whose administration?
It's not a hard question to answer.
The administration and the transport of illegal immigrants.
Instead of deploying The most powerful military in the world to actually seal our border to stop those coming in who shouldn't be here.
We've just learned yesterday that the 88,000 Afghans that we flew into the country after the collapse of that nation after Biden surrendered it.
We have no idea who they are.
None.
Zero.
I was informed by a state trooper from the Commonwealth of Virginia that once the landed at dallas airport The authorities were told not to deal with them, not to track them, not to question where they're going, not to ascertain who they are in contact with in America.
Just release thousands of unknown immigrants from a hotbed of jihadi violence from a nation that hosted Al-Qaeda prior to 9-11.
The stakes could not be higher.
The question you ask is very simple.
What would this administration do differently if its goal were to destroy the nation?
We are in a perverse situation.
Never before in Western history has a nation, has a society been controlled, been run by those who hate it.
Remember two moments from 2008.
Not only did the incoming president say that I am going to fundamentally transform this nation, which means he didn't like what it was, Once he was sworn in as president, his wife Michelle Obama openly said, this is the first time I have ever been proud of my country.
How old was she at the time?
Was she in her 40s?
How can you live for four plus decades In a nation that you detest, that you can't even be proud of, not once for more than 40 years?
Why are you here?
Why do you stay here?
Why would you want to run for office to be the chief executive of a country you detest?
To fundamentally change it, of course!
From that which it is, and that which it has always represented, to something else.
I asked a friend recently, when did all this begin?
Well, I arrived here that year.
My family and I moved from Europe in 2008, hoping to have left socialism behind us, but man, were we wrong.
But when we arrived here, and we'd been to America every year since I knew my wife, so for many, many years we'd vacationed here, so I had something to compare it to.
When we got here to live here, when I started working for the Defense Department, I found a country that had no race problem.
Yeah, individual racists, sure.
Idiots here and there.
But no institutional racism.
This concept that was birthed under the Obama administration.
Then we have the infamous Beer Summit with the police of Cambridge, Massachusetts.
The accusation that of course they're racist because they're police officers!
And then we have division upon division.
Then critical race theory is injected slowly into the bloodstream.
Into not only academe, where it's been for decades, but into the schools, into the media, into the Black Lives Movement.
George Floyd.
George Floyd, whose claim to fame before he died was sticking a loaded gun into the belly of a pregnant woman.
That's George Floyd.
Oh, but no, now we have statues to him.
No nation in the world, none, has open borders except America.
And now the US military is going to help process those people who, well, they're not illegal if we don't call them illegal, right?
That's what Karine Jean-Pierre is talking about.
That's what the Democrats are doing to this country.
And if you vote for them again, you're responsible for the destruction of the greatest nation on God's green earth.
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Hey, guys.
Hey.
How we doing?
Good, good, good, good.
Good, good.
You've become famous, man.
I was watching you on a TV commercial last night with my kids.
Oh, yeah?
You were with your dog walking by a park.
Did your kids like the ad?
They did.
I said, hey, I know that guy.
They said, no, you don't.
I said, yeah, I do.
I'm going to do a show.
I didn't know last night I was going to do your show today.
So are they even more impressed with their dad?
No.
No?
But he knows famous people now!
No, they think it's all pretty cool.
They like all this stuff.
Good.
All right, I want to talk about your RFK article, but I want to talk about first a cut from my buddy James Lindsay first, okay?
Sure, whatever you want to do.
Good.
And what else is important for you?
Because we'll have two segments.
Um, just, you could plug the piece, you're going to mention the RFK piece?
Yeah, we're going to talk about that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
You can mention my latest book, The Devil and Karl Marx.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
That's good.
Karl Marx.
We also have Devil and Belladonna as well.
Um, Eric, can you kill the mic for a second?
mics off mic off
90 seconds.
Got it.
And our rumble chat reminded us, sadly, that Gordon Lightfoot passed away today.
I know.
My wife said he's somebody.
I'm not sure I'm familiar with him.
I've been hearing his music on the radio today.
People are playing.
But I'm too young for that music, Paul.
You're really not.
He was what, 70s?
Yeah, yeah.
When I was running around in my short pants.
When were you born?
I guess I kinda was too.
I'm in 56.
When were you born?
I was born in 1966.
66, alright.
You're a little bit older than me.
A little bit older.
Okay.
But you wear it well.
Thank you.
At least I try to.
No you do, you do.
You could deny at least 10 years of that.
Hmm.
If my hair wasn't gray, I could get away with being seen as younger.
No, but you're a professor.
You gotta have gray hair.
That makes you distinguished.
You're the distinguished professor.
It's part of the persona, isn't it?
Yeah, it's like you got to have the reading glasses on a chain.
That's right, down over my nose.
But it's got to be on a chain, right?
So it's around your neck.
That's mandatory.
You could have a tweed jacket, I don't know, in your closet.
I never wear suits and I never get in trouble for that because I just have the jacket.
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Analysis from our friend, the relatively newly minted editor of the American Spectator.
He's a good friend of the show.
Welcome back, Professor Paul Kengor.
Thank you, Seb.
It is always good to be with you, sir.
All right, I wanted to play for you a video from my friend James Lindsay that's just a stunning analysis of why we are where we are today.
But first things first, let's talk about tactics.
Let's talk about the presidential election season.
There's somebody called Robert Kennedy Jr.
who announced his candidacy and he's causing quite a stir.
And you've got an article about him that says the following.
Doomsday for Democrats!
I like that article already.
How RFK Jr.
could elect Trump.
Talk to us about your article.
Yeah, thanks, and I opened it up with a quote from Robert F. Kennedy, Seb, that's one of my favorites, and very few people know about it, especially liberals, because they don't usually report it, but I've done a lot of research on RFK senior over the years, Bobby Kennedy, and I've written about this before, and he has this quote.
He said, what my father said about businessmen applies to liberals, and I'll abbreviate this, I won't use the full curse word on the air.
He said, they're SOBs, in love with death.
In love with death.
Hang on.
Robert Kennedy Sr.
said liberals are SOBs in love with death?
Did he have a time machine?
Could he look into the future?
Well, and he was always—and this is why I use this as the setup for this article about his son, RFK Jr.
Bobby Kennedy was a very independent, very interesting character.
I mean, an issue of paramount importance to you and I, which we'll probably talk about when you talk about James Lindsay as well.
I mean, he was an outstanding anti-communist.
Yes.
His brother, John Kennedy, was an excellent anti-communist.
And Bobby Kennedy, too.
Bobby Kennedy was very religious.
Now, JFK's religious views are kind of harder to pin down.
I mean, of course, he was Catholic.
But RFK was so devout that people thought that if he didn't go into public life, if he didn't go into politics, he could well have been a monk.
I mean, he was pensive, he was prayerful.
There was something monkish about him, a kind of a little bit of abstracted, removed nature to him.
Yeah, that's so true.
And you know, at times, I don't know if this is monkish, but morose, right?
Kind of gleamy, gloomy, kind of fatalistic, very thoughtful, kind of, you know, like Greek tragedy, almost.
Yes.
But he was this very, yeah, he was this very thoughtful guy.
But instead of- Intense.
Intense.
Intense, right?
Even the still photographs of black and white, even in comparison to his brother, JFK, very intense individual.
So talk to us about his son.
Yeah, let me say one other thing about him.
So he instead went into politics.
He was anti-abortion.
He was anti-feminism.
He was anti-gay rights at that point, but anti-homosexual rights.
He had 11 children and might have had more.
His wife, Ethel, was pregnant with the youngest child, Rory, while he was lying there dead, dying, in the hotel in Los Angeles on June 5, 1968.
She's holding his hand while he's dying.
He's got a rosary In the other hand, literally holding a rosary in one hand, his wife's in the other, and she was pregnant with their 11th child.
Now, the third child was Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and he's now declared a run for the presidency.
He's challenging Joe Biden.
And what really, I think, set him off was what happened with the VAX mandates, with the mRNA shots.
With the forced compliance by the Democrats, by Joe Biden, by the deep state, the bureaucracy, whatever, forcing guys in the military, guys and gals in the military to get forced vaccination, forcing you at your jobs to get vaccinated, forcing you to go for admissions policies in college, on and on and on.
And for this, if you Google RFK Jr.' 's name right now, and people can test this, the first thing that pops up is a nasty little box on the right side of your screen.
that refers to him as an anti-vax propagandist and conspiracy theorist.
And that must frost him even more.
So he stepped forward now and said, you know, I'm running for president.
I'm running for president against Biden.
Now, I assume this will mean challenging Biden as a Democrat.
But the whole point of my article is, if he ends up going third party because of this, because I can't see him knocking Biden off for the Democratic nomination.
But if he does well enough, and I think he could, I think he could pull 20% of the vote, where he thinks he could go third party, that would absolutely kill Joe Biden.
And I think that is the one scenario because I don't think Donald Trump can get 50% of the vote.
But if RFK Jr.
were to enter the vote as a third party candidate, I think that would elect Donald Trump.
So you're saying RFK Jr., even with that problematic speech impediment and everything else, could be the Ross Perot to George Bush Sr.
to Biden.
It could be the Ross Perot to Biden.
Exactly right.
1992, Ross Perot got 19% of the vote.
And with that, Bill Clinton got elected with only 43%.
He won't like this comparison, but George Wallace in 1968 got about 20% of the vote.
Nixon barely edged Humphrey.
Nixon got 43% of the vote.
1912, Teddy Roosevelt ran the Bull Moose progressive ticket, and that pulled enough votes away from Taft that Woody Wilson got elected with like 43, 44% of the vote.
So if Biden can be pulled down to 43, 44% of the vote, Trump could win.
I think Trump's ceiling is about 46%.
And so I don't see him possibly—if Trump is the Republican nominee, right?
But I don't see Trump winning in any way unless there's a third party candidate.
And RFK Jr.
could well be that third party candidate that completely throws all us into chaos.
We will continue the discussion in the break for our Rumble viewers.
The article is Doomsday for Democrats.
How RFK Jr.
could elect President Trump.
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Is there is there any indication have you seen any that he'd even run as a third party candidate?
I don't know and I'm getting a lot of emails on that today and of course I thought about it before writing the article.
And I didn't have any.
We could even pick up with this if you want to, but I might write a follow-up.
I didn't want to put too much into this one article.
But this reminds me of Teddy Kennedy in 1980, another Kennedy, challenging Jimmy Carter.
And that was a serious challenge to Carter, and it really damaged Carter.
But Kennedy in the end pulled out.
He didn't go third party because he was such a faithful Democrat.
RFK Jr.
is a faithful Democrat, too, but he's much more of an independent here.
Yeah, but let's be clear.
We've got to be truthful about RFK.
This is a guy who wants you put in prison or fined if you dare question climate change.
He's not a big Democrat.
No, I mean, I don't I don't like him.
Right.
I mean, he's he's no conservative.
But he's also, you know, he's bipolar.
I mean, he's a schizo.
He has problems with the state mandating vaccines, but he wants the state to punish you if you dare question climate change.
Right, right.
That's a problem.
It is.
He came out over the weekend against transgender athletes competing in sports.
Interesting.
So he, you know, he's obviously a liberal.
Yeah.
But he has a couple of these things that that people in the middle appreciate.
I think they can stand out.
I just find it stunning that he has no political background.
None.
He's been this kind of wacky guy doing stuff, environment and vaccines for 20 years.
Zero political background.
And he gets he gone is 19 percent for the Democrats.
That's a lot.
That's crazy.
He's a Kennedy.
In fact, he's a he's a he's a robber.
Yeah, that's that's that's his strength.
Right.
The Kennedys just have this magic about them.
Even when you've got a complete cab like Teddy Kennedy.
Yeah.
Right.
And this guy is no Ted.
You can block the lines, guys.
As my friend Chris Plant says, Teddy Kennedy, the only man with a confirmed kill in the war on women.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Hey, Ted Kennedy was awful.
Oh, he was a scumbag.
He kills Kopechny, and then he goes to his hotel room and goes to sleep, and then calls his dad in the morning and then goes off for brunch.
Well he did that because that way he could avoid the police finding out that he was drinking at the time.
That's why he did it.
By the way, remember in my book, Dupes, I'm the guy that reported the KGB document where Ted Kennedy offered to meet with Yuri Andropov against Reagan.
Yeah, let me help you guys out.
Yeah, yeah.
That's my favorite book of yours.
Ted was awful.
Ted was the worst of the Kennedys.
Yeah.
I mean, Bobby had character.
Although, no, no, no, no.
I think Joe Kennedy was the most evil.
Yeah, he was bad.
He was a scumbag.
He was really bad.
And what he did to that handicapped girl... Oh, awful.
Awful.
Yeah.
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We are back with Grove City College's Paul Kengor, the editor-in-chief of the American Spectator, the author of numerous works.
My favorite is Dupes, but his most recent and relevant one to our discussion today is The Devil Oh my gosh, look at that!
Eric even has dupes.
Look at that.
I just say it and it magically appears how the devil and Karl Marx is most recent.
Let's talk about Karl Marx for a little bit.
The expert on What I like to call the New Left, or the Neo-Marxists, as my wife calls them, is James Lindsay.
He addressed the European Parliament recently.
It's an amazing, like, 20-minute speech about how we got to where we are today.
Here's just a little, little teaser.
James Lindsay talking to the European Parliament.
Marxism took over in Russia.
It took over later in China.
It took over in all of these kind of agriculturally driven feudal societies.
But it wouldn't work in actual capitalist nations because Marx was wrong.
Then several Germans from the Frankfurt School started to study this phenomenon in more depth and they evolved the idea further.
They evolved the idea into what's called critical Marxism.
They developed what's called the critical theory.
And Max Horkheimer, who designed the critical theory, explained the critical theory.
And what did he say?
He said, well, what we came to realize was that Marx was wrong about one thing.
Capitalism does not immiserate the worker.
It allows him to build a better life.
So I developed the critical theory because it is not possible to articulate the vision of a good society on the terms of the existing society.
So critical Marxism criticizes the entirety of the existing society.
Everything is somehow needing to be subjected to Marxist conflict analysis.
I think that's such a good summation that, you know, Karl Marx's crazy idea only worked in, you know, post-feudal agrarian societies like the Soviet Union, like China.
In stable ones like ours, it had to metastasize.
Like, you know, COVID, there has to be a gain-of-function modification of this ideological virus, and instead of Class, it's race, gender, sexuality, and that's the evolution.
But you're the expert, Paul.
Yeah, no, he said it very well.
In fact, in my Marxism course at Grove City College, I'm lecturing tomorrow on the Frankfurt School and critical theory.
And James's latest book is called Race Marxism.
And critical race theory comes out of critical theory.
And critical theory was developed by the Frankfurt School.
So that's exactly right.
So Max Horkheimer, Theodore Adorno, that whole group.
Those guys began as Freudian Marxists.
In fact, another Freudian Marxist who's not directly part of the Frankfurt School, but is part of that whole milieu, was Wilhelm Reich, who literally wrote the book and coined the term the sexual revolution.
He was a Freudian Marxist, so that term, the sexual revolution, actually comes from yet another German-Austrian Marxist from the 1920s and 1930s, who was too radical even for the Soviets, right?
The Bolsheviks were like, get this guy out of here!
But what they were doing and what these modern-day Marxists have done ever since—and James has it exactly right—it's been this constant, ever-searching look for the newest oppressed group.
So oppressed versus oppressor, that's always a structure.
Under classical Marxism, oppressed versus oppressor was bourgeoisie and proletariat.
And now today, under more modern variations, it's black versus white.
It's male versus female.
It's some version of sexuality versus some other version of sexuality.
So they're applying it now to gender, to race, to culture.
You type in cultural Marxism, you get a nasty little box at Google about anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
Let me just emphasize this, because James told me this about two years ago.
There used to be a Wikipedia page for cultural Marxism, and then suddenly it Became labeled a conspiracy theory and then you can't talk about it Yeah, I have screenshots of all of it.
I printed out I have hard copies of it and the way that it changed is just disgusting It's really insidious and when I first saw a couple years ago when it was described as an anti-semitic Conspiracy theory because I pull it up in class on the big screen for my students and I saw it described as an anti-semitic conspiracy theory I just sighed, and I said, oh man, who wrote this?
What 18-year-old faceless whoever wrote this?
I'm going to get slammed with this now.
I'm jealous.
I want to be in Professor Kengor's class tomorrow.
I'm going to ask him for a copy of the syllabus so I can learn more about the Frankfurt School from the expert, read his writings, and his colleagues.
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So are we finished?
I probably need to let you go.
You have another guest coming on?
Yeah, we've got Alex Milo coming on.
We're all wrapped.
OK.
Hey, send me a link to this, and I'll have Spectator post it.
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Yeah, I can send it to you tonight.
Yep.
OK, great.
Good.
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Title for that one.
Um...
Thank you.
So we did James.
Something about RFK Jr.
would definitely get eyeballs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Robert Kennedy Jr.
Can, no, can Robert Kennedy Jr.
do a Ross Perot on Joe Biden?
All right.
Mr. Marlowe!
Good afternoon, how are you?
Good, good.
How's it going?
Terrific.
Excellent.
Excellent.
I'm so glad we could get hold of you today.
I want to continue our discussion that we did on your show about what is this man Ron DeSantis doing?
Fine.
Fine with me.
Happy to do it.
Have you got his book?
Yes, Expression 2.
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Excellent.
What else is fun for us to debate?
Oh, let's talk about the debates.
Let's talk about the debates.
Okay, sure.
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Wherever you want to go.
Good.
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You wouldn't do a friend a solid?
You're gonna get to know all of them.
Not all of them are even gonna be, like, well known.
I just need, um... I've got lots of things that need to be exposed about what's really going on in this country, Dr. G. Well, now you've got me truly intrigued.
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Now he's, you know, he's made it up to, uh, what is it?
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No, he's editor-in-chief of Breitbart.com.
Alex Marlow, welcome back to America First.
Dr. G, I have so much extra budget for cup washing.
If anyone has a good cup washer, they could send me an email out to Breitbart.com and maybe I could hire you to be the next cup washer.
Start at the bottom and then become the editor-in-chief.
How many years later?
How long have you been there, Alex?
It'll be 10 in October.
I think I'm going to have a big celebration, and I'm thinking that day I'm going to go to work and report all the news accurately, fairly, as fast as I can to celebrate.
The left-wing fake news media complex will explode.
All right, let's continue the discussion we had on your show with the races.
Let's talk about the man who is now trailing, I think, 40 points behind President Trump, and that's the governor of Florida.
There's a phrase about getting off the toilet or doing your business.
Why doesn't this man do his business or get off the toilet?
They've changed the Constitution.
They've changed the law of Florida.
He can be an incumbent governor and run.
Why on earth doesn't he declare?
What's he afraid of?
This is something that has been a puzzle for me for months.
It's very clear he's running.
It's very clear he's courting donors.
He's now done a world tour, an international tour, where he flew around the world and met with people, not necessarily the leaders of these countries, but certainly people who live in those countries.
And then now we don't know when he's going to declare, if he's even going to declare.
He's slumping in the polls for a number of reasons.
This has been incredibly frustrating to me as someone who appreciates Ron DeSantis.
The governor was very excited to see what he would have done in this race.
He's just taking this approach where he's not going to declare.
see what happens.
Really?
Well, everything that's happened has not compelled him to get in for some reason, I guess.
I don't know if it was the Trump indictment, Trump surging the polls.
He's having a harder time with the woke mouse over at Disney than I think people thought he would have.
But I don't know why he's holding back now.
Inexplicable.
But I think a lot of what he does is inexplicable.
Really?
Expand on that.
Well, I think that the original strategy was he was going to be the guy who governs.
He was going to be the guy who is, Donald Trump is the showman.
He's the Barnum and Bailey, a P.T.
Barnum-esque guy who's running the three ring circus and is not really serious about governing, is only serious about himself and self-aggrandizement.
That was going to be the narrative.
And DeSantis is the guy quietly, Working around governing.
But that's not the realities of American life right now.
The realities is you do have to have that showman capability to be president, to win a primary, particularly against a Donald Trump type.
And whenever he's asked if he's running, he did that strange bobblehead thing where he wouldn't say if he's running or not, and he was kind of flapping his head around, which was very odd.
And then when he asked about Trump's indictment, he said that I'm looking out for the citizens of Florida.
Last I checked, Donald Trump was one of those.
So I don't think him just staying focused and governing is going great.
And he needed to drop that, whoever told him to do that.
He needed to fire those advisors and get some people to get him to take himself seriously as a candidate.
Yeah, that's a great way of expressing it.
Take himself seriously, the candidate.
I just want to know if at Breitbart.com, which you should bookmark, whether you have the DeSantis bobbleheads.
I'm just curious.
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The news of the day is President Trump's going to do a Yeah.
downhaul with CNN and may skip the other debates, at least in the beginning.
Yes.
We discussed this on your show.
Give me your reaction to those two pieces of news. - I'm glad you asked this after I ragged on DeSantis because the rep that now, everyone's acting like at Breitbart we're only pro-Trump, which is, I don't ever hold back on criticism of Trump.
And this is something that I think is a betrayal.
I hate that he's doing this on CNN.
I know what he's thinking, and I don't know, but I guess what he's thinking is, Fox is on the ropes right now, and I'm going to go anywhere else and stick it to Fox.
And it's very hard to blame Trump for having that impulse.
But there's other ways to do it, other than by going to CNN.
CNN is circling the drain right now.
They have lost Don Lamone.
How can that network stay alive without Don Lamone, Dr. G?
Answer me that question.
Riddle me that.
That network is Don Lamone.
It's the Don Lamone network.
So Don Lamone is gone.
And then now you've got Trump is going to go and give them a big boost in ratings and give them a bunch of attention and a bunch of earned media.
This is Trump at his most frustrating to me.
Yeah, you know, we've had the debate here.
My very simple question to my team here is, what's the upside?
What's the upside?
It's like when my wife convinced me in the first few months of the Trump administration, the Washington Post wanted to do a big, you know, Interview with with dr. G and I said no I got them for months and then she said well We'll do it because you know, they're gonna write it anyway, so you should have your input I gave them two hours of my time and what happened Friday an 800 word hit piece drops on me So, you know what?
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He could do a town hall with Newsmax.
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't know.
Or assemble, you know, someone, a Salem person and a Breitbart person.
Wow.
That would be good.
Do a couple.
Do like a double.
That would be super cool.
They were thinking outside the box.
It would be, let's have me and you do one together.
Yeah, I'm going to suggest that to his head of comms.
Alex and I should do it.
We'll do a town hall in the ballroom at Mar-a-Lago.
Yeah, there's lots of cool ways to, if you're trying to be creative, just take it to Fox.
Yeah.
Go to all the independent media.
And if you think one's not big enough to just do a whole thing or whatever, or doesn't have the right reach, have Q do it.
It's the, like, I don't see why that's not a consideration, but it's not, it's not a consideration.
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Yeah, I did.
Vivek has got some great talking points.
He's really got a lot to say.
I've known Vivek for a while and he does seem to nail some of the stuff.
Alright, do we have that video, Eric?
All right, let's play it.
Here's where Ron DeSantis really lost it here.
He's gone on the wrong path.
He claimed, and this part actually sounded good to me, Disney should have never had crony capitalist lobbying-related privileges in the first place.
Here's the part he doesn't mention.
One of those crony capitalist privileges was, and I think the most relevant one, Was codified into law by none other than Ron DeSantis in 2021.
So Florida passed this political anti-discrimination statute, which I applauded at the time.
It said if you operate internet companies, this includes streaming services like Disney does, that you can't engage in viewpoint discrimination.
Now here's the funny, dirty little secret of that.
They wrote into a last minute exception into that law for anyone who also operates a theme park more than 25 acres in the state of Florida.
That's crony capitalism.
And so the irony is Ron DeSantis, who's now railing against crony capitalism and rolling that back, was the one who actually passed that into law for the case of Disney.
So I think that undermines the credibility of his crusade.
I prefer to get to root causes rather than doing political stunts.
He did that without notes in front of him.
That's pretty devastating, isn't it, Alex?
Yeah, I think so, and he has a great point to be made.
It's a fairly simple point.
The law wasn't what we were told the law was.
The law was something entirely different and something that was meaningless.
It was just another toothless example of attention-seeking behavior, apparently.
And now, I think DeSantis' anti-woke bona fides are very solid, and I think he's done a lot of incredible things for Florida, and I think it was reflected in his blowout win.
Uh, in when he ran for re-election, but this one is, uh, this is not going great.
And it is, again, this is one of his cornerstone things is taking on Disney.
And so what's his next move going to be?
Because right now, Disney's got the upper hand.
Yeah, that is the question.
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I'm literally just going to walk through it.
You make such a cogent analysis of why 2024 will not be 2020.
I mean, I just can't believe the stupidity of these people.
But I'll tell you something.
I have a theory I want to try on you.
I'll put it in very briefly.
I think the tide is turning, and the surest sign I have of it is not only Peggy Noonan panicking, and Andy McCarthy, who doesn't know anything about politics, panicking.
It's Brit Hume, who does know about politics, and is a reasonable man, although he doesn't much like Trump, but realizes that he's been mistreated in some ways.
He now says that Trump could win.
Wow.
And that's partly because of the anticipation of a recession.
But when Britt says that, I say the tide is turning.
That's fascinating.
Please, let's mention that on air.
Eric, will you come in with cut six?
Coming with cut six, Biden no-liner.
Yes.
All righty.
I don't know why you wanted the job, man.
I appoint all those federal judges, but you know, thank you for serving.
I'm not kidding.
You want to come and make a speech?
Hush up, boy.
Hush up, boy?
You're talking to a colored Muslim.
From the podium at the White House.
Hush up, boy.
I guess, um...
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Is that a strange thing for a white man to say from the podium of the White House?
Hush up, boy.
Yeah, look, in fairness to him, I don't think he realized that it was as, you know, as completely outrageous as it does sound nowadays.
I mean, he is a guy who speaks in the same way he did 50 years ago when he first got to Washington.
Yeah, but things have changed a little in the last 50 years in American politics.
All right, let's jump in to your latest piece at the New York Sun.
An incredible analysis of why, I think for me, why the 2024 presidential election will not be the same as the 2020 presidential election.
You talk about those who hate President Trump like Peggy Noonan.
Another person you discuss is somebody who leaves my heart a little bit Troubled.
He was on the show quite regularly.
I loved his legal analysis.
But Andy McCarthy has been prognosticating on politics and lacking the requisite credentials, perhaps?
Yeah, I like him too.
He's a very fine man and a delightful man to have dinner with.
And clearly a very capable man in his profession of the law.
But I don't know what has got into him that he thinks he has some standing to comment on, as if he was a learned student of these matters, on election prospects.
Other than that, he denies that he is a Trump hater, but he walks, talks, and looks like a Trump hater.
I mean, he supported the impeachment of Trump.
And he has been singularly negative about Trump.
He took the Russian collusion thing very seriously, right up to when it collapsed completely.
And now he's taken to writing that Trump can't win an election.
Well, you know, we all take Andy McCarthy seriously when he talks about the merits of a legal case, but he has no more standing to say he can win the next election than any voter in the United States or any If I may say it, qualified observer from outside the United States.
For him to resort to this, I think, is a sign of how jumpy all of those who placed all their bets against Trump are getting.
I mean, whether they're Democrats or never-Trumpers or just Republicans who aren't quite never-Trumpers but don't like Trump particularly.
They're all getting very jumpy.
They thought that they had seen the last of the dreadful meteor that crossed over their sky on January 6, 2021.
They thought that was the end of it.
We'll spend the next couple of years burying him and never hear from him again.
And now that they see that he's 20 points ahead to win the Republican nomination and narrowly leading Biden, In an election, and the period between now and the election looks like it'll be one when the economy is deteriorating into recession, you see all of the anti-Trump forces getting severely agitated.
And there's one person you mentioned before we went on air, in addition to Noonan and McCarthy, who could be a very, very important bellwether, somebody who does know politics and who's changed his tune?
Yeah, you're referring to Brit Hume, who's, of course, born in Washington, been in Washington all his life, and covered Washington politics from very close up for approximately 60 years, I believe.
And I saw him just on one of the Fox News panel in their news hour at 6 o'clock last night, and he was saying that it looked to him that if these prognoses of a coming recession were accurate, And he thought that they might well be, but he doesn't claim to be an economist.
But if they are accurate, it would appear that Trump is the likely winner of the next election.
He is certainly, as he said, probably on only anything you can see the likely Republican nominee and he's running even or slightly ahead of Biden in the polls now.
And if between now and the election, as he put it, we get into a recession, a great many people who may not particularly like Trump They may think he's the best choice they've got.
Yeah, yeah.
A man who never really suffered from Trump derangement syndrome and has very, very sober political analyses over the years.
Let's look at the three things that you say are fundamentally different or will be different between 2024 and 2020.
And they have to do with George Floyd, COVID and the way we elect presidents in America.
Would you expand on those three things?
Yes, well, in 2020, of course, the horrible nightmare incident with George Floyd caused a tremendous outburst of violence all across the country, but particularly in Democratic-governed cities, and the Democratic mayors of those cities, from Minneapolis to New York and others, were completely ineffectual at dealing with the violence, and were essentially mollycoddling the
You know, the rioters and demonstrators and violent demonstrators and arsonists.
And this was all cracked up by the solid wall of anti-Trump media as indicative of the chaos Trump causes.
This was just Trump's America.
Riots everywhere.
That's what you get with Trump.
Right.
At the same time, there was always still implicitly the charge that he was not well disposed to minorities.
And from there it is a short step to saying he actually is the sort of person who's quite comfortable with the brutal murder of African-Americans, which of course is a scurrilous, outrageous imputation.
So they got him coming and going.
You see, Trump was a sympathizer with the sort of people who would be blasé about killing African-American suspects.
of a felony.
And on the other hand, the terrible disorders that took place afterwards were on the one hand justified and being conducted by righteous people like Black Lives Matter.
But on the other hand, what you get as you descend into chaos, which is what we will do if you have Trump as president.
On the second point of the COVID matter, I mean, the Democrats, as soon as they got a good look at COVID, started screaming for shutdowns so that they could have a depression and basically lay it all at Trump's door as the Herbert Hoover of the 21st century, that he is responsible for the colossal unemployment figures.
And, you know, as if he had circulated this illness.
And then thirdly, you had the
The changes to the voting and vote counting rules, especially in the swing states of Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Michigan, but not as the Constitution requires by the state legislatures, but either the executive fiat of Democratic governors or the decision of Democratic majorities on the state courts.
And the constitutionality of those issues.
And here, Trump is partly to blame.
He was very late getting going with this.
As soon as these measures started to be put in, in all of these states, he should have challenged them.
But he didn't.
He was late doing it.
But the fact is, the judiciary did not hear and judge on its merits any one of those cases.
Well, all of that is different this time.
You know, we saw with Georgia, the rules were changed.
President Biden said it was Jim Crow.
It's back to segregation.
Completely outrageous.
It was a tremendous turnout of voters, including African-American voters in Georgia in the midterms.
A record turnout.
And there were no significant allegations of lack of integrity in the voting anywhere in the country in the midterms.
So, I mean, they're not going to be able To harvest ballots quite as effectively next time around.
Secondly, they won't have the COVID matter, which enabled them to hide their candidate in his basement for the whole campaign.
Joe Biden, if he's the nominee, is going to have to come out and campaign.
And he's four years older and he was no prize in 2020s.
He's unlikely to be, you know, he's unlikely to be a world beater in 2024.
And as a campaigner, And, you know, we don't have that terrible shutdown.
We don't have their ability to blame.
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I want to talk a little bit about Tucker Carlson.
Oh, and Robert... Robert Kennedy Jr.
The phenomena that is Robert Kennedy Jr.
Whether that could be a spoiler, whether he could be the Ross Perot to Joe Biden.
Do you want the phones open now?
Uh, yes.
I have it on an unimpeachable source, by the way, Conrad, that he's still under contract with Fox.
Who, is Tucker?
Yeah, yeah, so he can't do anything with his non-compete until next year.
But can he comment on Fox Matters or not?
Well, he assiduously didn't in that video he published on Twitter last week.
I've signed two Fox contracts in my life and they have the usual boilerplate about not casting aspersions on the reputation of the LLC, of the company.
Look, I guess any arrangement that they made on his parting would include his being discreet about it.
Look, in a week when they got a hit for $787 million, a nice payoff to Tucker would be kind of an after piece, just a sorbet after the main dish.
As opposed to losing more than a billion dollars on the stock exchange.
Well, that presumably will come back.
Yeah, presumably.
I wouldn't bet against Rupert Murdoch, even in his 90s.
I would still rate him a pretty agile operator, but that had to be a terrible week for him.
Have you seen the videos that are leaking of the interstitials of Tucker between the breaks today?
I have not.
What do they tell me about him?
Well, they just kept, you know, of course... What is that?
That's on his line.
That's not his line.
What?
What?
There was nothing really bad.
The file.
The Larry file.
I hope you made duplicates of those, Alex.
No, no.
You have to have these dispersed in multiple locations.
Do you not know how to do backups?
You can't have one guy with all the dirt.
Come on.
We're talking about Doug as well.
We gotta have multiple locations.
Way ahead of you.
One minute.
Alright, he's back.
Conrad?
Yep?
Yeah, it's very kind of...
You know, stuff that leaves you, like, so what?
I mean, he was complaining in one break about, you know, the paucity of the Fox Nation platform, how it's not user-friendly, cracking jokes.
So, if this is supposed to bring him down, it's very, very weak.
Very thin gruel.
I don't, I don't, God, I don't know.
It's the whole thing's a mystery to me.
Yeah, it is.
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Before we move on to the next topic I wish to cover, I have it on unimpeachable sources that Tucker Carlson is still under contract from Fox, which is strange.
Does that mean that we've lost a conservative voice in an election run-up year?
How significant is that decision to keep him on a lease for the next 20 months?
I'm getting out of my depth here but I mean I don't think it is that significant because politically I think Tucker was ambiguous.
He was certainly extremely critical of the administration but he was He was not any whitewasher of Trump, either.
I didn't know.
And so, you know, I think he had a sort of populist niche, and a sizable niche it is.
But I think in the first place, if it's just one year, he'll still be free to speak his mind through most of the election year.
But even if it's a period that goes right up to the election, I think he has great talents and a big following, but I think he was kind of neutral politically.
I mean, I think he was probably more critical of this administration than the previous one, but he was not anything like as well disposed to President Trump as Sean Hannity is, or Laura Ingraham is, I would say.
Correct, correct.
All right, let's talk about presidential politics that I think make the Watergate scandal pale into insignificance.
Fox interviewed the current Secretary of State And asked him about the sworn testimony from the former acting director of the CIA implicating him in the letter of 51 intelligence officials saying the Hunter Biden laptop story was false.
Here's Anthony Blinken on Fox Cut 3.
I want to ask about the letter that was written concerning Hunter Biden's laptop.
They said it was Russian disinformation.
Can you explain what your role was in that and if you incentivized it?
Well, first, one of the great benefits of this job is that I don't do politics and don't engage in it.
But with regard to that letter, it wasn't my idea, didn't ask for it, didn't solicit it, and I think the testimony That the former Deputy Director of the CIA, Mike Morrell, put forward confirms that.
Well, somebody's lying because Mike Morrell said that it was organized with Antony Blinken as part of the Biden campaign to corral those 51 former intelligence officials to say this is Russian disinformation.
Antony Blinken, who is now the Secretary of State, says no, that didn't happen.
If it did happen, this is a scandal that just makes Watergate seem like a tiff in the playground, does it not?
Well, frankly, I think Watergate was just that.
It was magnified into a terrible incident.
Unfortunately, it was possible to exploit certain vagaries in Mr. Nixon's personality, and he inadvertently cooperated with his enemies a bit.
But I think this is in that category that we have with this administration, recurringly, that there are competing versions of events and the media is so partisan and so flabby in respect of reporting on this administration, it doesn't chase it down.
I mean, we had the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Milley, and some of his colleagues amongst the Joint Chiefs state under oath to Congress, to Congressional I wasn't warned that this would happen.
Well, you know, they can't both be right.
Well, I think that's where we are again.
And we had President Biden saying, not under oath, but just saying to the public, no, they didn't warn me properly.
I wasn't warned that this would happen.
Well, you know, they can't both be right.
Well, I think that's where we are again.
And I think, you know, in fairness, any administration will, any people will up to a point do what they can get away with.
And if the media aren't going to hold them accountable in the way that they did, certainly the Nixon and Trump administrations, and for the most part other administrations, then that's what you get.
You get these ludicrous, inexplicable, contradictory versions of events,
And the fact that there never seem to be any ramifications or consequences, if you're having an acting director of the CIA literally collude with an opposition presidential campaign to do a disinformation operation, surely there should be some ramifications to that?
Yes, and when the people involved in the disinformation campaign, the signatories of that infamous letter, include, at that time, the incumbent senior intelligence directors.
I mean, it's shocking.
It's absolutely shocking.
We've reached the point where almost nothing is shocking.
So, you know, if you go on astounding the senses and confounding the well-established customary traditions, Long enough.
Nothing is shocking, nothing is customary, and nothing is traditional, except people just do what they want and the hell with it.
So, do we return, therefore, to the hoary old presidential phrase for 2024 that it's the economy, stupid, and people will vote on their pocketbooks and purses?
I think that's a large part of it.
I think both the inflation rate and if we're going to have a recession, so we would have stagflation, even if inflation is down a bit, which it normally does come down in a recession.
I would say that's a big part of the story, but I mean, I think you've got, I think this administration has a lot of other, to take President Biden's own Metaphor.
I think they've got a lot of other anvils attached to their waist, you know?
I mean, they will have millions and millions of illegal immigrants.
Astounding and terrifying rises in the number of fentanyl deaths and other sophisticated drug deaths, dangerous drug deaths.
I've got a crime rate.
You've got all sorts of things that they're going to have to answer for, and the media haven't made them answer for any of it, but presumably the Republican candidate will.
A surfeit of albatrosses.
I hope the plural for that is an albatross eye.
In the meantime, the book is Donald J. Trump, a president like no other.
The website is ConradMBlack.com.
Follow him at Conrad M. Black on Twitter.
This is America First.
A little strange on the tongue, albatrosses.
I know it's not Latin, but...
The hard one to me, and not that you have to use the word much, is diocese, when you say it in plural.
Yes!
Yes!
That's almost a tongue twister.
Although I do love the adjective diocesan.
There's something about it, the lilt of diocesan.
You sort of can think of Sir Thomas More or somebody like that.
Absolutely, absolutely.
That was wonderful.
You're sending your articles now regularly to Mar-a-Lago?
Yeah, and I have a nice acknowledgement here from Chamberlain.
That's a wonderful name.
Only in America do you get last names as first names, you know?
Yeah, and she's a lady.
It's a female.
Oh, it's a woman!
It's a woman, it's a woman.
My God, you're educating me!
You know, I mean, look, take a name.
I'm not talking about him in any other way, but Hunter Biden.
You wouldn't know if that was a man or a woman.
You wouldn't know who it was.
No, no.
I didn't get around to asking you that.
Just the footage of the president's son going to a local court on a paternity hearing is just how that doesn't, how that's not news is incredible.
Yeah, it doesn't look great.
And it also gives us a view of What happens when the judges aren't foaming at the mouth of Democrats?
I mean, if these Democrats ever stray into neutral or even Republican-leaning courts of law, they're going to get quite a shock.
That's the real challenge.
We can kind of fix the DOJ with new leadership, but the judicial system, that's another question entirely.
Well, look, do you have the impression that with this Whistleblower and so on that that hunter thing is about to burst?
Or do you think they can keep stuffing it?
My best source, John Solomon, says that the IRS is going to give him a slap on the wrist next week.
That's it.
And that'll be the end of it?
Yep.
Yep.
You'll pay a fine in the hell with it.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well.
I guess that's no surprise.
We shall see.
All right.
Thank you, Conrad.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Good.
Anything else?
Anything else?
No.
For a moment, I thought I'd be away next week, but I won't be.
I'll be here.
We'll speak next week.
Speak next week.
Excellent.
All right.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Realistically, too, a Hunter indictment is kind of the worst thing for us because at that point, then they can say, oh, look, this isn't political bias that they went for Trump because they're doing it to Hunter as well.
To the mainstream media, they'll say like, oh, clearly, you know, There is no bias in the justice system.
Even though he's not going to get anything, of course.
Right, right, right.
Thinking of rearranging something?
No, I'm missing the Spear of Destiny.
Did I take it?
Oh!
Huh.
I don't know where it is.
That is interesting.
I need to call Dr. Jones up to track it down.
I know.
Alright, 45 seconds.
Oh, title for that?
Um...
Can you split it into two parts?
Yeah.
Second one is... What did we start the second one with?
We did the blinking thing.
Like Mandy McCarthy and all that.
First segment.
First segment, 2024 will not.
No, let's do it later.
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I think since the last hour, Line one, California, David.
David, David, don't tell me you can't hear us after waiting for almost an hour.
All right, we're gonna lose him when we move.
Oh no, he's still there.
Let's go to Todd and then we'll try to go back to David.
Todd in Atlanta.
Yes, Dr. Gorka, I just wanted to say I think it's an outrage that our military, instead of protecting our own border, is being used to aid and abet the cartels in an invasion.
And I just wanted to point out that the Chinese illegal aliens have risen by 900%.
They're using an app provided by ByteDance, the parent company of TikTok, to invade our country.
And there are 124 sub-variants of COVID They're on the loose in China now, and that's according to... But what are your sources for those figures for the 900% increase in the 100 and whatever variance?
What are your sources?
NTD.
NTD News.
Okay, good.
Stay on the line.
I need those figures again.
Jeff, would you take a note of those figures so I can check them out myself?
Yeah, it's an utter, utter outrage, Todd.
The fact that we have... We have the U.S.
military that are sworn to uphold the US Constitution, that are actually doing the opposite under orders.
And who's going to be the brave colonel or the brave major or the brave NCO that says, "No, I'm not going to be a bus driver for illegal aliens." I'm not going to be the Walmart greeter for people who have no right to be in this country and who've broken the law by simply crossing onto U.S.
territory.
That's what Biden has done today by deploying the U.S.
Army to the border with only two roles, administrative and transport.
It's like you said, They're actually making the U.S.
military a support system, a logistical support for the cartels, aiding and abetting them.
On the question of China, you mentioned China.
It's interesting, we have news from the Commonwealth of Virginia.
Governor Youngkin has announced he will not be running for the presidency, for the for the candidacy to the presidency as a Republican.
However, at the same time he made that announcement, he's getting pretty tough on China.
Well, we know what China's trying to do, and that is to dominate the world.
And they're going to use every arrow in their quiver, from surveillance balloons, to TikTok, to intellectual property theft, to economic coercion, and to saber rattling, if not more.
And so we need to wake up and recognize that particularly in these most important sectors, semiconductors, the supply chain for pharmaceuticals, supply chains for automotive and for wind turbines and for solar panels.
I mean, we have now decided, at least our president has, that he's going to drive us into these industries.
We have to secure supply chains for these with our friends.
Hawkish language from the governor of Virginia at the same time that he's not announcing for the presidency.
Jeff, why do you think he's doing that?
I mean, you know, getting all tough on China.
What's your take, Jeff?
Part of it is he's trying to bring some of it to Virginia, which is a good idea.
And I'm actually glad that he is because the supply chain crisis gets lost, especially with what's happened with China the last three or four years.
And why do you think he's dropped out of the presidential race?
Because he's smart enough to know that he's not gonna win, so there's no reason in running.
I think he's better off just waiting till next time, or... You know what I mean?
There's no point in running for him.
Are you saying he's smarter than Nikki Haley?
Yeah, and Ron DeSantis.
Ooh, spicy!
There's a spicy take there.
All right, we've got David back.
We'll go to David and Brent in the next segment.
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We've played Lindsey.
I would love to play the Jolly Cut dunking on him.
Yeah, but nobody knows who he is.
I think, again, I think it's worth noting the way his path crossed with Ron DeSantis back in the day.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
People keep forgetting.
That was the thing.
I argued with someone on Twitter who was a total DeSantis fan.
He was like, DeSantis has never lost an election before.
I said, see, United States Senate election in Florida 2016 on Wikipedia.
And he's like, what, the 2016 where he was reelected?
Like, no.
And I sent him screenshots.
Like, every poll after Rubio initially said he was dropping out, every single poll had just saying it's losing to Jolly.
And he was just like, oh, well, whatever.
He still has never lost an election before.
And I'm like, if you jump into the race and then drop out due to garbage polling, I do consider that a loss, but that's just me.
I might use 7 here.
7.
Or 9.
Or 9.
Gutfeld.
Yep.
Or nine.
Or nine.
Got fouled.
Yep.
Right.
Titles for black.
Everything all right with Newsmax?
Yeah, confirmed.
It's not happening tonight.
You want to do Riley Gaines in and out?
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And Eric, can you tell us what's happening to Vice, please?
Vice is falling right behind.
Reports now say that they are also expected to file for bankruptcy any day now.
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We have a prediction from our friend, from Greg Gutfeld, about left-wing extremism in America.
Do you agree?
We might have to make this a poll on our website, SebGorker.com.
Cut nine.
Play cut.
There's evidence that we're turning a corner on wokeism, which is scary because the left always comes up with something worse.
But because wokeism is so absurd, The most persuasive critics are progressives.
People on the left, actually, are the people that everybody's believing because they're going, wow, these guys are destroying us.
It's like when you're a conservative, you come out against white nationalism.
And this is kind of the mirror image.
Wokeism is like that.
In fact, I would argue that wokeism is everybody's racist as white nationalism.
But I feel like when you start seeing this bubble up and you see this on real time and elsewhere, I give it another six months before it's gone.
Six months and wokeism expires?
Eric, do you believe that?
Do you believe what Greg has prognosticated?
We can only hope, but I think for the time being, the stranglehold the mainstream media has is still really strong, and corporations.
Every now and then, yeah, you see backlash against Keep the camera up.
Bud Light, by the way.
No, keep it up.
Keep it up.
That's what it means.
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much backlash either electorally or otherwise then they finally back off of it uh keep the camera up uh bud light by the way no keep it up keep it up that's what it means keep it up uh bud light has dropped 26 percent in sales since the dylan dylan mulvaney disaster 26 that hurts uh mr g what do you think of greg's prediction for the death of woke i don't know about six months but i do think it might start to decrease a little bit Because people are getting sick of it.
And we're moving into an election year.
It's not popular.
Yeah, people are fed up.
Alright, he's back!
David in California, line one.
Thanks for taking my call, Sebastian.
I have two things on my mind.
The first is, I think we should revisit 2,000 mules and start ringing the alarm bells now because they're going to cheat.
They're going to lie and cheat and try the same game.
And the second thing on my mind is, and maybe you can help me out, there's a blimp or a balloon.
It's either flying over Hawaii or has flown over Hawaii.
And nobody in our defense department seems to know anything.
It's not identified.
I'm getting a little nervous because how many more blimps or how many more balloons do we need that we can identify?
Or they drop into an unknown source into the forest and we can't find them to tell us what's going on.
What do you expect, David?
You think the Pentagon that's sending troops to the border as bus drivers for illegal immigrants, you think that military is going to do something about another balloon?
Yeah, I guess you're right.
I guess I'm just fearing for my country and I'm hoping somebody, somewhere in the military, somebody will start start to make us, to put us at ease and let us know they give a damn.
No, they won't.
Milley's in charge, Lloyd Austin is in charge, and they're treasonous individuals.
They, you know, when you're making calls to the Chinese Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to give him heads up if the President wants to go to war, if you're celebrating a CRT and, you know, the studies of white rage at West Point, Then you are the problem.
And sadly, they're the people in charge.
That's why we need President Trump back in the White House.
But thank you, David.
Interesting suggestion from one of our loyal listeners and good friends.
Jeff, what do you think to getting RFK Jr.
on the show?
Why not?
I think that's the right answer.
I think why not?
We can challenge him on his desire to imprison people who dare question climate change, or we can talk to him about whether he's the Ross Perot to Joe Biden.
I like it.
So let's reach out.
Very nice suggestion.
You know who you are, who texted me.
We're going to ask him to come on the show and we'll see what happens.
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Greetings, Great Gorka!
Thank you, my friend.
Thank you kindly.
We've got some photographs from this weekend that I sent to Eric.
I think we've updated the photograph I always take with you when I'm in the area.
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We also met with Daryl.
He brought me so many Star Wars and, you know, Star Trek toys.
I had to buy an extra bag for my hand luggage.
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God bless you.
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Alright, what do you want to share with us today, Brent?
Yeah, well, I wanted to say it was wonderful seeing you again at this year's Unite America, and I think that's what we should call it.
Yes.
And I am so glad that you see how essential and foundational it is to destroy the Democrat Death Star by placing a proton torpedo straight into the gullet of the trans-progressive predator movement.
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Yeah, it is.
It's a good way to understand what has happened or on the left that it is it really is a cool it is a cult.
It isn't a political party.
And by the way, just to correct things, it wasn't Kool Aid that the Jim Jones cultists use.
It was actually flavor aid.
It was a different Sadly, nobody knows that and Kool-Aid gets a bad rap.
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I think so.
I mean the last time we had a total lefty on the show was Sank, wasn't it?
Trank, yeah.
I'd be down for that.
Robert Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, he's consistently polling in double digits.
I got more followers than him on Twitter, I'm afraid.
He may be a Kennedy, but he's just not that special.
There was an article in the New York Post a while ago, I think it was Miranda Devine, I could be wrong, that basically said the thing with RFK is that obviously with a name and just being a Kennedy in general, he represents this ideal Liberal America worldview from the 60s that boomer Democrats have.
You know, like older white boomer Democrats who may not be fully on board with where it is now.
Who, yeah, chasing an idealized past.
So you're going to reach out to them, Geoff?
I'm trying to now.
Fun.
I think he's the kind of guy who would accept that offer.
Oh, no, I do too.
That's why I think it's worth doing.
I think it's worth doing.
40 seconds.
Want to use any final cuts here?
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2 again.
Oh, the girl.
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Welcome, dear friends.
That was, of course, the White House Correspondents' Association dinner this weekend.
A good way to give us a starting point for our very special guest for our one-on-one.
I have guest hosts on my show.
I have an amazing team of colleagues at Salem.
It's far too easy to take them for granted and I'm not going to do that this time.
We're going to sit down, we're going to talk to one of the best, a true patriot, a champion, a maven of talk radio.
Let me just check what his name is.
Oh yes, it's Chris Stegall.
Chris, welcome to America First One-on-One.
How you doing, Sam?
Great to see you.
Good, good.
I'm very, very well.
I think you, along with my friend Chris, with my friend Jennifer Horne, you two are the hardest working people in radio.
I think she does like four and a half or five hours of radio a day.
You do five hours.
You do it for Philly.
You do it for Kansas City.
It's truly stunning.
And when I saw you, when I was on the stage with you in Philly last year, The love that the people of Philadelphia have for you is stunning, so you're doing something right.
We have so much to discuss, want your reaction to the Biden Cup, but for those who don't know who you are, don't live in the city of brotherly love, give us a little bit of a background on who Krista Gall is, what you've done with your life, and how you got into this crazy world of talk radio.
You know, Seb, I have loved radio my whole life.
I know you did, too.
And it has been a life's passion since I was a young kid, elementary school.
I was one of those fortunate few that always kind of knew that broadcast Particularly radio was where I wanted to be.
What I didn't know was talk radio was really where I wanted to be.
I fell in love with the old DJ morning shock jock types, you know?
And after a few rounds of being hired at music radio stations and being told by my program directors, would you shut up and play another song, I realized that music radio was not where I wanted to be.
And down the hall at a sister station was a Talk Radio Station, and as news started to become more interesting to me as a younger man, and it was right after 9-11 really, That was the first morning.
I was on the air doing a morning classic rock show, and 9-11 happened.
And down the hall, the guys were able to talk for days and days after 9-11, those ensuing, confusing, terrible days.
The nation was kind of shook and struck.
My boss's instructions were, shut up and keep playing music.
Wow.
Down the hall, they were taking calls and talking about what had just happened to us and why it happened.
And that was the first time I realized, oh my gosh, That's where I have to be.
I have to be talking with people about that.
And I never looked back.
I was able to start in about 2004, I think it was, my first bite at the talk radio apple, and never looked back after that.
Tell us why, so you, like I, you have a passion, a lifelong passion for this medium.
I never thought I'd actually be on, you know, this side of the microphone.
And talk radio is very different from television.
Television, I have a TV show, as you know, on Newsmax.
And I have to like switch into a different mode.
It's very, it's artificial, it's staged, it's just different.
You know, teleprompters and all this stuff and the clips and the visuals and everything else.
Then you have this explosion in the last 10 years of podcasting which Likewise isn't radio.
It's not live radio.
It's different and it kind of caters to, you know, are you into Byzantine pottery?
Do you want to hear three hours on Byzantine pottery or Sasquatch?
That's great for pot.
No, seriously.
I mean, look, why does Joe Rogan Four hours.
I mean, you know, come on.
My son, I think he's on episode 112 of a podcast that only talks about Napoleon.
Only.
Episode 112.
And he loves it.
So, it's a different medium.
It has a different purpose.
Tell us the Stigall analysis.
What is it about radio that makes it so different?
Give us the inside of you as a consumer and a provider.
It is the most intimate of all mediums.
It always has been, and I think it will always continue to be.
You so well described podcasting.
It's like the audio version of checking a book out at the library, maybe?
And it's great, and I do one, and it's necessary.
Podcasts are the new way, and they're exploding in popularity and growth.
Television, similarly, as you say, is very manicured, and its reach is far more.
I will confess that the times that I've done cable news hits or been on your television show, the visual medium is so powerful that people will say, oh, I saw you on Fox, or I saw you on Newsmax.
They won't know what I said, though, right?
I don't know how often you hear that.
I saw you on TV, but they have no idea what you said, but they know what your tie looked like.
That's very perceptive.
Yeah, but that's not with radio.
That's never been with radio.
People in talk radio, I call them the smartest audience.
Because they are.
They're informed, they care, and they're listening very specifically, intently.
They're dialed in.
It's not accidental.
It's not on in the background while they're getting ready or, you know, multitasking.
Talk radio listeners uniquely listen, and they key in, and they listen for longer periods of time.
than any other medium because they care and they're informed and they like opinion.
And so for that reason and so many others, when times are high, when times are serious, when times are scary, they can call and interact directly with you and with me.
That is an intimacy that will never be recreated in any other medium, no matter what happens.
And it's for that reason I don't believe broadcast, traditional live broadcast radio will ever go away.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I agree, even if the devilish things are, you know, in the works right now.
I think Ford is announcing they want to cancel the AM radio function in their new vehicles.
I know there's a big campaign out there to try and stop them, but no, I think radio's future is a bright one.
As somebody who clearly gets it, when we were at the Fuge, at that event, and it was capacity crowd, I mean, I was on stage, Dennis Prager was on stage, we could have been, you know, Ants.
Irrelevances.
When you got on stage, the crowd were like, it was like a Beatles concert.
I was waiting for somebody to throw their underwear at you.
Chris, clearly you do it right.
Give us a couple of the secrets of what makes for good radio.
Thank you for saying that.
Sincerely, I'm flattered.
And I think that you and Dennis and Mike, who were there in that room, you are so well-loved and your respect is well-earned, so I had great company.
But thank you for being so kind and generous in your comments there.
As for me, in my little corner of the world, what I hope is that people know that I'm going to shoot them straight and I'm going to be honest.
I have tried so hard Since I started doing talk radio, to never mislead or get it wrong in any way.
And even if it was uncomfortable, to be honest, and even if the audience didn't agree with me, I wanted to say, here's what I think and here's what I feel.
And by the way, you can call and correct me if I'm wrong.
Or tell me if I'm wrong.
And if I get it wrong, I will come here on the show and I will tell you, I'm sorry, I got it wrong.
I want to revisit this.
But, you know, the thing that people mischaracterize about what we do, Seb, is that we are propagandists, that we purposely lie, that we're, you know, purposely manufacturing things to gin up a particular point of view.
And I say to people who accuse us of that, No, that's exactly the opposite of what's happening.
Mainstream media does that.
We're the counter to it.
The reason people... Rush said it so beautifully once upon a time.
The reason you cannot break the bond between those who listen to your show or my show or Rush's show We've worked hard to establish a relationship and a bond of trust that cannot be broken.
It was not artificially made.
You know, you put Don Lemon on CNN.
That's artificial.
There's no connection there.
Nobody watched him anyway.
And so now he's been fired and no one's going to miss him.
Different with Tucker, of course.
And I know you've talked about him being dispatched last week.
People love him.
And just the two minutes he posted on Twitter, that was real.
It was palpable because people believe And I don't know Tucker personally at all, but people believe they have a connection and that he means it, that he's of goodwill, that he's going to tell them the truth.
I think you have that.
I hope I have that with my audience.
Oh yeah.
And that is something mainstream media will never understand about those of us who connect with an audience.
They feel we're speaking on their behalf.
We're not telling them what to think.
We're not telling them how to think.
We're telling them, we're saying what they already know.
We're just lending voice to what they feel.
And I think that's what makes it so powerful.
It's funny what you said.
We had a caller last week.
We got these crazy libs now and again.
He said, you just lie all the time.
That's all you do is lie.
And I said, OK, if I do it all the time, give me an example of one lie.
I'll wait.
And he couldn't.
It was hilarious.
I mean, it was like the best phone call ever.
It's like, yeah, this is who you are.
You're the propagandists.
You're the lies.
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All right, Chris, you've said that what you endeavor to do is to tell the truth, to be honest with your listeners.
He also, by the way, has something, I don't know how to spell it, it's called the Harumph Society.
You can go to his Substack, Chris de Gaulle on Substack.
If I knew how to spell Harumph, I'd probably be one, or I'd use that phrase more often.
Chris, you talk about honesty and the need for honesty.
Let me ask you, I want an honest answer from you.
What has happened to America in the last 10 years?
Darkness, Seb, and I didn't used to be able to say it well and confidently, but I can now, and at the risk of sounding like I'm stealing intellectual property here, I think Tucker so beautifully, that speech he gave at the Heritage Foundation the Friday before he left last Monday from Fox, was as powerful and profound a speech as I've heard anyone give in a while, because, and I know you agree and have highlighted it too, I was there in the room when he gave the speech.
Oh, you were there?
Yeah, with my wife.
So if you guys haven't seen it, you can find it everywhere.
I think it's the most viral video ever published by the Heritage Foundation.
It's just 26 minutes long.
But what did you take away from that speech, Chris?
He understood something from a 30,000 foot view that's bigger than the political debate.
We're no longer debating Politically the best way forward for the country.
He said that once upon a time we were of this place where We're of goodwill that kind of notion that Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan could share a drink after disagreeing politically for the day We're so far sadly beyond that now.
It's not that you disagree with policy.
I have one policy approach You have another policy approach, but we're trying to reach the same outcome.
We're now just talking about If you want, debating with a side that wants for destruction and disruption and dismantling and decay and anarchy.
It's not a better way forward.
It's not about problem solving.
It's about perpetual creation of problems.
And it really, ultimately, it's about godlessness.
Our colleague Jason Whitlock Who I think the world of has been on Tucker several times talking about faith And he mentioned and I agree that Tucker lately has I know you're a man of great faith Seb He's coming around to the idea that we're in a supernatural battle there's a darkness sweeping the country and The notion that there can be more than two genders or that you can change your gender.
That's That's something new we've never dealt with before.
And that's, to me, I think, along with the COVID closures and the control we saw exacted over us because of a virus, that's taken us to a new place of destruction and control that I get violently uncomfortable with sometimes.
And I really have to sit and pray, as Tucker ultimately prescribed.
We need to be a prayerful nation and we need to spend more time in spiritual combat.
Because I don't think we're having a traditional Lincoln-Douglas debate anymore, Seb.
I don't know about you.
No, and there's only three words in your bio on Twitter.
The words are, in Christ alone.
It's interesting what Tucker said at the end of his speech.
He didn't say prayer in general.
He said something because our priest, Father Paul Scalia, who is, of course, the late Justice Antonin Scalia's grandson, he gave the invocation before Tucker spoke at this dinner for Heritage.
And it's very heartfelt.
Tucker said, I became all overwrought, all emotional listening to the invocation, because it really hit me what the Good Father said.
And if, by the way, if you don't know Father Paul Scalia, all of his sermons are recorded at St.
James, so you can listen to them.
One of the most amazing priests you'll ever hear.
Because at the end of the invocation, what Father Paul said is, we need to pray for our country.
And in his speech, Tucker said, I don't do that enough or at all.
Because we all have, you know, our personal requests for success, for health, for our children, for our friends and family.
But how often do we actually pray for our nation?
That's what Tucker talked about.
So that was very, very powerful.
Now, you do this for four hours a day.
And it's this is the recurring question for me that I always want help on and you know Victor Davis Hanson is a great help for us when he comes on the show but you're following daily politics.
What happened for us to be in this dark place?
Because the Democrat Party was always there, hatred always existed, racism, the sins of homosexuality or whatever else you want to call it, the predators on children always existed.
What was The moment where it became institutionalized darkness, where you'd have, you know, the president, the White House, celebrating transgenderism and supporting the mutilation of children.
Did you notice in the last few years, was there a moment where it just, oh my gosh, something just happened there?
The first time that I really noticed it felt like every day you woke was an assault on the things you valued or an assault on normalcy or just perpetual disruption.
I noticed it after Barack Obama's election.
I noticed it during the initial discussion of Obamacare.
I started getting calls from listeners who were so distressed, you know, they were calling me saying they were flying their flag upside down, you know, or the country was lost.
And I was still pretty Pollyanna and naive.
And I said, listen, we've had bad presidents before.
We got through Bill Clinton.
You know, we can do this again.
It'll be fine.
I didn't understand how much that man really hated the country until I really... I just didn't want to believe it.
I really believed we were talking about tax policy, Newt versus Bill, or like I said, O'Neill versus Reagan.
Obama was something else because it was clear he didn't even care for his own party.
He wasn't interested in Pelosi or Schumer or any other leaders.
In fact, he was famously reclusive.
He had this insular little bubble in the White House and people like Susan Rice and Valerie Jarrett.
It felt like every day there was some new really radical thing making news coming at us faster than we could stamp it out.
I remember there were stretches of time in talk radio where You know, the holidays would come and for two weeks we were almost bored twiddling our thumbs.
Congress would...
adjourn, or for the summer, and talk radio would kind of go into a slow time.
But Obama stepped it up, and it was every day it was something new.
It was cash for clunkers.
It was, you know, bank bailouts.
And it was him saying things like, you're going to keep taking government money till I tell you to stop taking it.
I'm the only thing between you and the pitchforks, he famously said to bankers.
It was this ratcheted up rhetoric, you know, going after cops, going after institutions, banks, car companies.
And I started to realize after eight years, yikes, this guy has a blueprint for something far more aggressive and destructive.
Plus, we know he and his friends just hated the country fundamentally.
What I also didn't understand was after four years of Donald Trump pumping the brakes on that, just how critical that was.
I mean, were it not for Donald Trump, were it not for that man four years barricading us, Between that destruction, Biden's back and he's a third term of Barack Obama, I'm convinced of that.
That's not a profound thought these days, I know, but I feel like we're living that same thing again.
And Donald Trump was the only thing that put the brakes on it for half a second and made us feel like the country was returning to a calm, a peace.
In order, financial prosperity, and now it's all back.
That same chaotic thing, almost on steroids this time.
And Susan Rice is right back in the chair.
So, was there a moment?
Maybe not a moment, but certainly a pivotal point was 2008 and beyond.
The Barack Obama vision for this country, this Marxist, totalitarian, destructive, fundamental transformation of the country he called for, He did it.
He's doing it.
He's living it out.
And this Hoskova guy, we're pretending his president is helping him, and wants another bite at the apple.
For another four years.
God willing, we can stop him.
We're going to unpack that and the future of President Trump.
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Are you confident that you know that gender is as binary as you're describing it?
Are you confident that it isn't a spectrum?
I am.
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Are you confident that you know that gender is as binary as you're describing it?
Are you confident that it isn't a spectrum?
I am.
Do you know this as a scientist?
Well, there's two X chromosomes.
If you're a woman, an X and a Y, that means you're a man.
There's a lot of scientific research out there.
There's a lot of scientific research out there that says gender is a spectrum.
Chuck, I respectfully disagree.
Gender dysphoria for most of our history, all the way through the DSM-5, has been characterized as a mental health disorder, and I don't think it's compassionate to affirm that.
I think that's cruelty.
When a kid is crying out for help, What they're asking for is, you gotta ask the question of what else is going wrong at home?
What else is going wrong at school?
Let's be compassionate and get to the heart of that, rather than playing this game as though we're actually changing our medical understanding for the last 100 years.
It's a fact.
Medical science has called body gender dysmorphia a mental condition since it was first diagnosed, and as Jordan Peterson says, it's the only mental condition that we affirm.
We don't tell schizophrenics, yes, it's good that you're schizophrenic, this is the one that we do quote-unquote affirm, but I guess Chuck Todd is the scientist.
Just an example of the insanity that is everyday politics.
Chris, I want to drill down on what you said last, and this isn't a pushback, I'm just, like, working things out with a buddy.
And I've heard this phrase a lot, especially from listeners, that, you know, Obama's running the country, and, you know, there's a little earpiece, and he's telling, you know, the, what is it, Bongiorno calls him the rotten bag of oatmeal, what to do.
So there's a couple of things here, and what you said about when it started was 2008 and the Obama presidency.
Here are my issues.
Number one, Obama's not very clever.
He's slick, right?
If you watched him during his presidency, he was amazing on teleprompter.
Right?
The oily, glassy, perfect delivery.
When he took Q&A, he was a bumbling fool.
I mean, he couldn't think on his feet.
He's not a smart guy.
Intellectually, he might be slick, but he's not clever in terms of street smarts.
Secondly, he's admitted it in his autobiographies that he's fundamentally lazy.
He said he would prefer on an hour... He doesn't like people.
They don't have friends, which is weird.
And he says, on the average day, I would prefer to be You know, on my Lazy Boy, eating Cheetos, watching ESPN.
So the idea that, you know, he's the Blofeld in the hollowed-out volcano stroking the white cat running the world, I don't buy it.
Secondly, we've been told by Republicans, you know, that was a pretty crappy presidency.
He really didn't get anything accomplished, all the things he wanted to accomplish.
The only thing he really did accomplish, despite having the House and the Senate, was Obamacare.
Now that's disastrous enough.
But it's not like he changed the Supreme Court.
It's not like he lowered the voting age and everything else that maybe he wanted to do.
So here's my question.
Is it really him?
Or is it the people around him?
Or was it simply the fact that there was a momentum reached, a critical mass, for the 60 years of diabolical ideas from Gramsci to the New Left to Alinsky, and Obama just happened to be the guy in the chair when that critical mass was reached.
I'm trying to identify with you how the hell it happened.
Great point.
And I would absolutely agree with you.
He has shown no initiative.
He is lazy.
I think it's clear.
He didn't like leading.
He didn't really like... He liked the trappings of the office, but he wasn't a guy who liked to govern.
That's clear.
You're right.
But he had a vision.
And I guess maybe that's my point.
I don't mean even that there weren't destructive people or that even people like Hillary Clinton didn't agree with it before we even knew who Obama was.
Barack Obama, I genuinely believe he and his wife are viciously angry people who do not like this country.
Oh, clearly.
Barack Obama particularly.
I mean, look, what did she say on the inauguration?
She said, this is the first day I've ever been proud of my country.
What, pride in your country depends upon what job your husband has?
They can't stand the country.
And that ideology driven, I mean, remember Eric Holder.
You know, if they go low, we'll kick them.
I mean, he is surrounded by people who were willing to do the dirty work for him, who shared his love, or his hatred of the country, and his love of destruction, and were willing to do the work on his behalf.
What he did, and if you want to say when was the turning point, it was institutionalizing in our public school system, and I really do believe it's a full Generation or two who've now come up fundamentally believing the country is flawed and full of racist, sexist, bigots, homophobes, aggressive cops.
Our institutions are rotten to the core and they were built and established to oppress certain other people while propping up only certain other types of people.
You get a couple of public school generations, Seb, coming up believing that's true and all of a sudden the one comes along and gives a A speech just the right way, and you see how it happens.
We're a few generations in to a public education system that has churned out a bunch of little goose-stepping, America-hating socialists and or Marxists, I believe.
And I think it's our schools, if I'm to tell you what I think we do to save the country, I believe it's to convince parents that the public schools of this country really ought to be brought to their knees.
And we ought to save our kids from public schools, give them proper either homeschool opportunities, private Christian school opportunities, homeschool pods.
My wife and I are really devoted to having this conversation now on a separate podcast we do called Making the Leap.
We took our youngest daughter
out of public school as a middle schooler put into a private Christian school and that world that we've experienced over the last two years has changed us as a family has changed her and we've seen the impact it's making on young people so my prayer solemnly is that we get the education system rested away from these radicals because I don't think we change this dynamic unless we start bringing up kids to learn the country is not a rotten no good
Who's running the country right now?
It doesn't seem to be Joe Biden.
Susan Rice, I hear, just left.
But, you know, there are other people.
appeal to them or make sense to them in another generation.
I hope.
Lenin said it.
Give me their children and I will own their future.
We're talking to Chris DeGal, broadcasting from the ReliefFactor.com studios.
Who's running the country right now?
It doesn't seem to be Joe Biden.
Susan Rice, I hear, just left.
But, you know, there are other people.
Who do you think is running the country?
It's a little group, a small group of people that are very smart, very radical left, probably Marxists, and they're running our country into the ground.
And they're using law enforcement and they're using the DOJ and the FBI as retribution.
Something that has never happened anywhere near what's going on right now.
What they're doing in terms of DOJ, FBI, law enforcement to politics is nobody's ever seen anything like it.
I mean, there has never been a this is Marxism.
This is communism.
What they're doing, if it doesn't stop.
I mean, look, our country's in serious trouble anyway.
But that is something and that's the way they're going to try and win the elections, by the way, because they can't win.
They can't win the elections.
Their policies are horrible.
Nobody wants open borders.
Nobody wants 15 million people, because I really believe that's the real number.
By the end of this year, I believe we will let through, over a short period of time, 15 million, that's bigger than New York, 15 million people.
Nobody wants these things.
Nobody wants high taxes, high interest rates, high energy prices.
Just a 70-second summation of everything that's happened to this country in the last two years from President Trump with my friend Greg Kelly on Newsmax.
Chris, as you know, I don't rehearse my interviews, I don't give out talking points, I don't clear things with my guests, so I'm just going to ask you, without knowing your response, President Trump 2024, what's Krista Goss take?
I can't do anything but defer to the man after what he's done.
I have told the audience very, very plainly and candidly that I don't pretend to tell anyone in my audience what to think or for whom to vote.
And I learned my lesson.
The last go-around, when Donald Trump and Ted Cruz were in a heated primary, and I had the arrogance and audacity to go on the air and say, Donald Trump is no conservative.
Ted Cruz clearly is.
Rush Limbaugh's out of his mind.
Anybody that thinks otherwise is out of their mind.
And Donald Trump won.
And he proceeded to be the best president that I've ever known in my life.
And he has earned my deference now.
I'm not going to presume to tell people that they should vote for him and support him again, but I will say that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt in my heart and soul that he was the best man at this time for the job, and I'm grateful to him for the four years he gave us, and I wished he'd had eight.
So I don't know if that's an answer.
I'm not trying to be cute.
I do realize there are a lot of people that just have this conventional wisdom in my audience and in your audience that Trump can't win.
They just want to win now and they've decided Trump can't and they believe someone like DeSantis can.
I don't think I believe that.
But let me just stop there for a second because you said, you know, it's the logic of they just want to win.
And my response to that is that's how we got the Rhinos for 50 years.
I have this argument with my very good friend, you know, Andrew Clavin, who says, well, he can't win.
We need to win.
It's like, That is how we got the McCains.
That's how we got the Romneys.
That's how we got the Rona Romney McDaniels.
The idea that, well, it's not really the principle.
It's just getting somebody who's got a pulse over the finish line.
Well, then you have the betrayal of America, the working class, the patriotic class.
If it's all about winning, Chris, I'm not interested.
And yes, of course I want us to win, but if it's only about winning with a meat puppet who's not a conservative, count me out!
Yes.
Well, of course, you're exactly right, and I learned that, again, the hard way.
If I'm to be honest, and go back and talk to Chris Stigall 2016...
I would say you don't understand what we're up against, and you don't understand who... nothing against Ted Cruz.
I admire Ted Cruz a lot, but if I think back to what Trump went through, and where we sit today, and our previous conversation about the forces of darkness at play, I gotta be honest, I don't think Ted Cruz was the man.
I don't think he could have done it.
And God bless him, I think all of his principles are there.
I think he's a great conservative.
I think he's a constitutionalist.
But I don't know that he's the bull in the china shop that Trump was.
Because I think there's always an element of these guys thinking about tomorrow.
Yes!
Trump doesn't care about tomorrow.
He doesn't need to.
And that's just remarkably refreshing.
That's the point.
And that's why I for one, it's not because I worked for him, but because of what I saw happen to him and me and anybody who worked for him when we were in the White House.
I don't want a bull in a china shop.
I want a herd of bison in the china shop.
Led by a berserker called Donald Trump who's going to burn the stinking corrupt edifice of the deep state to the ground.
And I'm sorry, if you're a politician who wants to get re-elected, whether you're Ron DeSantis or... I don't care.
You're not going to do that because you want to get re-elected.
President Trump doesn't want to get re-elected.
He wants to get America back.
Alright, I'm on a roll now.
I've got to watch my blood pressure.
We're talking to Chris...
Go.
Go.
I will just say, he understands the anger, the righteous anger of this country in ways most politicians just don't understand.
And people are so angry, I don't have to tell you, Seb.
Everywhere you go, you hear it.
They want this country back.
They want things fixed, and they're angry.
They want justice.
That line from his, I think it was after the leak of the indictment, he said, I am your retribution.
I mean, that's the line that made the left explode.
But that's right.
When you've been betrayed, whether it's, you know, outsourcing of jobs to China, whether it's pro-life pastors getting their home raided by the FBI.
You want righteous retribution, and there's only one guy who has a chance.
I don't even know if he can do it, but who has a chance of giving us that retribution.
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As is right for two radio guys, I guess I'm a radio guy now, after four years, I feel like a Still like a newbie.
It's right that two radio guys talking for an hour that the name Rush Limbaugh should be mentioned more than once.
Let's just remind everybody, Chris, that Without Rush, there's nothing.
I mean, there's nothing.
I mean, talk radio wasn't a thing.
Conservative talk radio wasn't a thing until this guy did it for about a decade and then made it a thing for people like you and me.
So with regards to everything we've discussed, here's my evergreen, the best ever cut I always want to play on the show every day.
Here's a little reminder from not long before we lost the great one, the great Rush Limbaugh.
You told us we're going to be time to panic.
Well, is it time to panic?
Well, let me just tell you folks, it's never going to be time to panic.
Because we're never going to give up.
We're not going to give up on America.
I'm not.
I don't think most of you are either.
America is worth it.
America is worth fighting for.
America is worth not giving up.
I'm kind of pissed, Chris.
I've had it with People who call themselves conservatives and who, you know, DM me and put comments on my social media postings saying, that's it.
I'm not going to vote anymore.
They've won.
I've had it because why does it take, you know, you in Philly and me, an immigrant in DC to say, uh, no, you're not an American.
If you give up, I've had it.
I agree, and I have too much hope in my heart because of my faith in Christ.
You know, more broadly speaking, every day, look, it's challenging.
It's tough.
It's dark.
It's hard.
I get angry.
I get deflated.
I get depressed.
I understand why people feel beaten and battered.
I do.
And that's why when Donald Trump won, it reinvigorated so many of us, and then we saw that Snatched away from us again and made us even more angry.
And then the way we were treated in the subsequent years after that, as if we were being punished for daring to vote for him in the first place.
It's unjust.
You hear people like AOC dancing on the grave of Tucker Carlson professionally, she thinks, saying, it's good that he's been deplatformed.
And they're promising more, suggesting criminalizing speech.
These are very dark and trying times.
But first and foremost, as my pastor said recently, Seb, God was on the throne before the United States, and God will be on the throne long after.
That's first.
And that's what I like to keep in mind.
First.
But second, Rush was right, of course.
And you're right.
This country is worth fighting for.
And not having hope, and quitting, I say, why do you listen to me?
I get angry when people reach out to me and say, ah, this is over, it's all gone, all is lost.
I say, well then why are you listening?
What's the point?
Why do you care?
Go listen to sports.
You know, take up ships in a bottle or something.
Don't waste my time.
Don't call me or spam me or troll me on social media and tell me why it's a wasted effort or all is lost.
Then go do something else.
But I don't think people in their heart of hearts, if they're really honest, they're mad, they're scared.
All justified.
I just don't think they know what to do with it, and they don't feel like we have a real leadership.
Other than maybe a President Trump, the party has failed them.
They feel sort of rudderless and beaten back and defeated.
I do get it.
I do.
But you're right, Seb.
I mean, if we give up hope, if we just throw in the towel, well, then what have we?
What are we talking about?
Why do we get out of bed and even do it anymore?
Bingo.
Any of us.
Yeah, bingo.
That's it.
We fight, we fight, we fight, and we will win because we have won.
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