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April 17, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: White House Insider has proof of Biden Crimes
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It is, to use the Chairman's favorite term, a weaponization of the House Judiciary Committee.
I do not know if Mr. Trump will be found guilty...
You're not condoning looting.
I'm saying that people are acting out of desperation.
We don't want a society that is acting out of desperation.
But you have to pay attention to the cries that people have.
You're not condoning looting.
You know, if you think about this, I've been doing this for like 23 years.
When you're walking with Trump, it's a whole nother level, man.
The entire place erupted.
Everybody was going crazy.
Matt!
Skype!
What?
It's real.
He's real.
He's not an AI.
He's not a bot.
Real.
It's real.
Good.
Good to see you, buddy.
Alright, so you have some exclusive, right?
I was with President Trump in Indianapolis Friday night.
So can we talk about that?
Absolutely.
All right, cool.
All right.
Let's start with Dana Whitecutt and then we'll talk about Indianapolis.
Sounds great.
And then we'll talk about, I want to talk about the judiciary hearing in New York, okay?
Absolutely.
Good.
Jeff, what was this?
What?
Go ahead.
What was the Solomon story?
Um, about just there's ties there.
Oh, the Hunter Biden.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Excellent.
I think I fixed that.
Cut eight.
Do you want me to check it real quick?
Yeah, check it.
You're not condoning looting.
Good.
I might use that with Matt.
People are acting out of desperation.
We don't want us to... Copy that.
And you're coming in with cut nine.
Yeah, cut nine.
And right after I cut nine, I'm going to do PhD before I go to Matt.
Okay?
Copy that.
Copy that.
Indianapolis was the NRA, right Matt?
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
And it's the second interview he's done since the arraignment.
So he did Tucker Carlson, obviously.
Tuesday night last week and then Biggs sat down with me and we talked a lot about that, the state of the race.
He knows he's the frontrunner.
Everybody knows.
Yep.
Standby.
He's on top of the world, I'll put it that way.
Yep.
You know, if you think about this, I've been doing this for like 23 years.
When you're walking with Trump, it's a whole nother level, man.
The entire place erupted.
Everybody was going crazy and it was fun.
He was there.
He was walking in with him.
That's what I thought when I saw the footage.
Absolutely stunning.
After Alvin Bragg's political persecution of President Trump, he goes to Miami and man, the crowd goes wild.
Wild for 45 because they want him to be 47.
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It may not have been a cage fight, it may not have been Miami, but guess who gets the second interview only after Tucker since the arraignment?
Well, who do you think it is?
Well, of course, it's our buddy.
Matt Boyle, Washington bureau chief for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.
Happy Monday, Matt!
Dr. G, always a pleasure to be here.
All right, and we've got you live on Skype.
That's a big deal.
Technology is no barrier for this man.
All right, so NRA convention, President Trump gave a speech there, and then I believe you got to have a chat with him, Matt?
Yes, we spent about a half an hour after his speech talking about a whole number of different things.
Obviously, we talked about the arraignment, and there's a lot more stories that are going to be coming out in the coming days.
About that and what was going through his mind when he was on You know going through that and sitting there at that table that infamous photo that everybody Can see that fabulous photo not infamous fabulous, right?
Fabulous, right?
Like so the so we talked about that.
We talked a lot about the state of the race He knows it We all know it.
Everyone knows it.
Donald Trump is the front-runner For the Republican nomination for the presidency, but also arguably the front-running candidate in either party right now for the presidency.
That's including the incumbent Democrat President Joe Biden.
President Trump, since the arraignment, has led in three national surveys, two from YouGov, one from Rasmussen Reports, President Biden in a general election and national polling.
So what we're starting to see, there's a poll also that came out that shows him in a virtual tie with President Biden in Pennsylvania, one of the key battleground states there, Rust Belt State.
Hang on, Scranton Joe doesn't have Pennsylvania locked in?
No, he does not have Pennsylvania locked down.
So the poll showed Biden at 36, Trump at 35.
That's a virtual tie for those of us in the media who track these.
So President Trump knows that he's in the lead, right?
The way I would describe it is he was on cloud nine.
He was on top of the world, right?
He knows that he's in the lead for the White House right now of either party.
He's on fire right now.
And he's also unifying the Republican Party behind him.
So in the moments leading up to our interview with President Trump in Indianapolis after his NRA speech, Senator Ted Budd from North Carolina, and then in the moments after our interview, because he had flown directly from Indianapolis down to Nashville, where he had done the keynote address at the RNC meetings there, the Republican National Committee meetings there in Nashville.
Both U.S. senators from Tennessee now have endorsed President Trump in the last 24 hours since Marshall Blackburn, the senior senator from Tennessee this morning and last night, Senator Bill Haggerty, the junior senator from Tennessee, both of whom, by the way, are U.S.
senators in large part because of President Trump.
So President Trump knows that he's got.
So, by the way, I would point you back to 2016.
He's in a much stronger position in 2016.
He knows it, too.
We talked about that because in 2016, the first U.S.
senator to endorse him was then Senator Jeff Sessions.
And that wasn't until after several states had already voted.
He has nine U.S.
senators backing his campaign right now and more on the way from what I hear.
In addition to that, he's very pleased that Congressman Byron Donalds from Florida here, Uh, has endorsed his campaign as well.
That was a shocker to a lot of people because Byron Donalds is particularly close with Governor DeSantis.
And their wives as well are apparently very close.
Yes, and Byron Donalds even introduced Governor DeSantis at his re-election victory party in Tallahassee on election night, November 2022.
And, uh, uh, Erica Donalds, Byron's wife, the congressman's wife, uh, is serving on a board appointed by Governor DeSantis to a state board.
So they have been particularly close.
So that was a real shocker endorsement.
But there's more and more that keeps happening here.
And it's pretty clear that President Trump is solidifying his position in the Republican Party.
And again, he knows it.
But Matt, there's this peculiar thing that almost three weeks ago, the Florida Statehouse changed the constitution of the state to allow an incumbent senator to run for another office.
Why isn't DeSantis declaring?
I don't get it.
They've made it possible.
Is it likely that he may not even run and his polling figures are so bad he's going to wait till 28?
I don't know.
At this stage, I fully still expect him to try to run, but maybe he's starting to have second thoughts about it.
Maybe they're starting to reconsider, especially as he's dropped fast and very hard.
Look, I've been doing this for a long time.
At Breitbart now for more than 10 years.
I've tracked these races for years and years and years.
I've never seen anything like his drop in the national polls that we've seen, and in several key states.
And this was some of the things that we talked about with President Trump.
Because again, as you're seeing DeSantis drop, you're seeing Trump rise in all of these different states.
Texas, I mean, you're talking about 30, 40 point swings since the end of last year towards President Trump away from Governor DeSantis in Texas.
You're talking about double digit leads in Florida.
President Trump leads by double digits in Florida, the state that just reelected Governor DeSantis.
You see South Carolina, New Hampshire, Iowa, all have the first three states, all have double digit leads for President Trump.
Let's have a primary.
poll stayed out there since the indictment or arraignment where DeSantis is leading.
So maybe he should be considering.
Look, I think, you know, let's do the American thing.
Let's have a primary.
But come on.
If you're going to run, run.
Declare.
If Vivek Ramaswamy can declare, you can too.
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Uh, five, seven, and eleven. .
We've got a crisis when it comes to roadway fatalities in America.
We lose about 40,000 people every year.
It's a level that's comparable to gun violence.
And we see a lot of racial disparities.
Black and brown, Americans, tribal citizens, and rural residents much more likely to lose their lives whether it's in a car or as a pedestrian being hit by a car.
There are a lot of reasons related to discrimination, related to even the ways that roads are designed and built.
Who has access to a safe street design that's got crosswalks and good lighting?
Sharpton's face, it's like he looks like he's actually asleep.
Actually asleep.
Go ahead.
Needless to say, it's a bad look for the country that classified information could be shared by a 21-year-old kid who simply wanted to show off.
But you know what else is a bad look?
When a 76-year-old former president is suspected of doing something pretty similar.
This week, the New York Times revealed that the special counsel in the Mar-a-Lago documents case is investigating, quote, whether former President Trump showed off to aides and visitors a map he took with him when he left office that contained sensitive intelligence information.
We don't know what that map is of, but still.
It follows similar reporting from the Washington Post that investigators are scrutinizing whether Trump shared classified documents with political donors.
With political donors!
Maybe to show off to them, too.
And was it, you said, 11?
Uh, yeah, 11.
The Republican witnesses who have used their time to fraternity brag have served as props in a MAGA Broadway production.
The real purpose in coming to New York City... Can we have order?
The real purpose in coming to New York City... Gentlemen, we'll suspend.
Stop the clock.
Gentlemen, we'll suspend.
For the audience, I've said several times now that the committee has to be in order.
If anyone continues, then we're going to have to escort some people out.
Please don't talk down to us, witnesses, please.
Alright, will you come in with that and we'll talk about that hearing and the crime issue for the Democrats, Matt.
Sounds good.
Copy that.
Come on, let's cut 11.
Hank Johnson, the man who worries about islands tipping over.
By the way, I've been to Guam.
It's kind of wobbly.
I went there during the first year of the Trump administration.
Did you fix it?
Did you fix the island?
I wasn't sure.
It was like, it felt like it might've tipped over.
A little bit, a little bit rocky.
Right?
Like a little bit, right?
Like, you know, you have a couple of adult beverages and then maybe it starts.
Standby.
Yeah.
Matt, you don't have your Comrex, do you?
I can't do both the Comrex and the radio.
That's the problem.
Why is he getting, why are we getting an echo now?
Okay.
The Republic of America
The Republican witnesses who have used their time to criticize District Attorney Bragg have served as props in a MAGA Broadway production.
The real purpose in coming to New York City... Can we have order?
The real purpose in coming to New York City... Gentlemen, we'll suspend.
Stop the clock.
Gentlemen, we'll suspend.
For the audience, I've said several times now that the committee has to be in order.
If anyone continues, then we're going to have to export some people out.
Please don't talk that to us, witnesses, please.
A bit of disturbances!
The Judiciary Committee is in New York.
I love the idea.
Take American politics and accountability and oversight on the road, especially to those cities run by Democrats that have become hellholes.
And the Democrats are having protests against them.
That was Hank Johnson, who calls this all a farce.
I guess he likes crime.
The same Hank Johnson who... Man, it's a good cut.
Was worried that the marines on Guam, if they put their base on one side of the island, would force the island to tip over.
Because that's how islands work, don't you know?
Matt Boyle, is it true that you've been to Guam?
If you have, was it a little bit like, was it like an inflatable, you know, swimming pool lilo?
Was it like a little bit like tippy?
I was joking with you during the break.
First off, yes, I've been to Guam.
I went there in 2017 when Trump was president.
As for whether or not Guam is going to tip over, no, it is not going to tip over ever.
It is an island, just like a Hawaiian island or any other island.
Meaning it's connected to the earth.
Right, it's connected.
It's not going to tip over because you put too many Marines on it, right?
Let's just be clear.
This is a guy who is in Congress.
He's like voting on laws and he thinks islands can tip over.
All right, let's get a little bit more serious.
I like this idea.
You know, Jim Jordan has taken the hearing to New York.
The Democrats are getting heckled by Democrats.
And this was a beautiful moment.
Jerry Nadler was saying that, you know, what are we doing here?
We shouldn't be having this hearing.
We don't need accountability.
And he also, well, he wasn't quite heckled when he talked about the Bragg hearing.
They just laughed at him.
Let's play the cut!
Cut six!
It is, to use the chairman's favorite term, a weaponization of the House Judiciary Committee.
I do not know if Mr. Trump will be found guilty... I do not know... The gallery should refrain from commenting and let the gentleman from New York finish his statement.
So Matt, you're the Washington Bureau Chief.
When you're having A congressional hearing in New York, which is like DC.
Overwhelmingly Democrat.
And Nadler says Jordan's playing a political game.
And the gallery heckle Nadler in New York.
That doesn't bode well for the Democrats, does it Matt?
There is something...
Fun about Jordan having to step up as the committee chair and allow that Blair and Johnson and all these other Democrats to continue to make their points while the audience there is calling them out.
But no, in all seriousness, do you really think that those people that are there those victims of crimes?
You know, they viewed as a prop them getting stabbed or losing a loved one or, you know, all these heinous crimes that we heard about.
I mean, there was the poor bodega owner or Bogota, I think is what... Hang on, hang on.
It's like the breakfast tacos.
Don't forget.
It's the Bogotas.
Bogotas.
But anyway, that poor guy that, you know... The immigrant.
The immigrant, right?
Yeah, and he was charged with murder, right?
Like for, you know, self-defense.
Totally unbelievable.
Then you hear the other stories about people who lost a family member.
It's just horrific stuff, and this stuff doesn't need to happen in America.
And if we had prosecutors that weren't funded by George Soros, that are tough on crime, and that actually did hold these people accountable, Then, um, you know, we wouldn't be seeing this happen.
I frankly think they should take this hearing that they just did there in New York and they should do it in every city in America with a Soros-funded prosecutor.
They should do it in Chicago, San Francisco, everywhere.
I love it.
I love it.
We've got 30 seconds left.
Of course, it's hard to predict.
Nobody's got a crystal ball.
But when it comes to 2024, this has got to be an Achilles heel for the Democrats, a rampant crime in Democrat cities, doesn't it?
Yeah, no, I think it's very bad for them.
And it's very bad for Joe Biden.
Look, here's the deal.
They had complete control in Washington for two years, and they failed miserably.
Everybody knows that.
Um, but look, at the end of the day, when there's a mass crime wave across the country, people look to the president and they say, why is the president doing something about this?
And Joe Biden's currently the president and he's.
I don't know what he's doing, but he isn't doing anything about the crime.
Well, yeah, he's having his meat puppets talk about how they have the back of trans children or something as Christian nine-year-olds are being murdered by trans shooters.
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The degree to which various government agencies had effectively had full access to everything that was going on on Twitter blew my mind.
I was not aware of that.
Would that include people's DMs?
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It's Monday.
We are delighted to have him on the show.
First day of the week.
He's a hard man to pin down because he's running a media empire and a TV show every night.
But he's a real journalist.
One of, I think, the three left in America.
John Solomon, welcome back.
Happy Monday.
Good to be with you, Sam.
Is it four or three?
I can't keep track.
There's not many of you.
Yeah, well there's a handful of us.
We're still trying to get the American people some truth.
It's justthenews.com, it's justthenews.noise, six o'clock every night on Real America's Voice.
At the top, literally the top of my Twitter and Facebook feeds today, including the show feed right now, is the story you sent me very early.
He texts me very early in the morning because he never sleeps.
Headline, Congressional probe uncovers tie between Biden campaign And security letter dismissing Hunter Laptop, the story.
So we have the, you know, the so-called intelligence experts, the 51, who signed that public letter, pooh-poohing this thing.
Oh, no, no, no, Hunter Laptop, no, that Russian disinformation.
And now you're telling us that there's a connection to his father's presidential campaign?
Tell us everything, John.
Let's keep in mind that we already know this to be one of the most serious interventions in American electoral history, right?
51 security experts falsely telling the American people they had reason to believe that the laptop was a Russian disinformation operation when it wasn't.
We know there was no intelligence at the time.
John Ratcliffe said there was nothing that DNI had that suggested this.
So these guys went out on their own.
But the portrayal over the last two years was these were well-intentioned security experts who went out because they thought they saw a problem.
They just wanted to alert the American public.
It's never been portrayed as a political event.
Obviously it had a political consequence, but now Jim Jordan told me in an interview over the weekend that they have been able to secure testimony from people like former Deputy CIA Director Mike Morrell, who once ran the agency as Acting CIA Director under Barack Obama.
So someone very high up that he had contacts with the Biden campaign, that the Biden campaign in 2020 was behind this letter.
Now, we already know the letter's claims to be false.
We know that it falsely misled the American people.
We know most Americans say they would have voted differently if they knew that the laptop was true.
But now we know it came from the Biden campaign.
We're going to find out in the next 10 days or so, I think, that Jim Jordan will give us the names.
He's still doing some interviews, but when he gives us the names of the people, we'll find out how high up in the Biden campaign did this idea originate from, who was involved in giving it to the 51 security experts, who was involved in disseminating it to the news media.
But think about that.
If one of those people who are in the campaign are now in the senior ranks of government, we will have a current government official having been involved in promoting a false interference in the 2020 election.
That's how much this story has evolved in the last three years.
You said something on my show almost a year ago that was quite shocking even for me as somebody who served in the Trump administration and who was targeted by people like these 51 so-called intelligence analysts and you said during the Cold War Our government, our intelligence services, did information warfare against our enemies.
Soviet Union, Cuba, what have you, North Korea, China.
And what we've witnessed in recent years is those weapons, the gun sites have been rotated inward and information warfare is being done by government officials and former government officials against American citizens.
I would say, when Chairman Jordan provides us the documentary evidence, there is no question to what you asserted on my show about a year ago.
Yeah, listen, this is something I first started to be told back in the Russia collusion case when I was beginning to unravel that case with Sarah Carter and other good reporters.
We were being told, listen, the tools that we protect America from, that we use to go after enemies, are now being turned against the American people.
And over the last six years, we see that.
Just think about this letter.
This letter is a classic PSYOPS gaslighting operation.
51 people with credentials say something.
When you read it, it really doesn't say very much, but it left an indelible illusion or conclusion to the American people that they should suspect that the Biden laptop was a Russian disinformation campaign.
Now when you look into the letter, you can't find any proof of why they believe it, where it came from, who it came from.
But they created the illusion.
They created the false reality that Russia was once again interfering in our election, just like they did four years earlier in suggesting that Donald Trump had a Russia collusion problem.
Russia collusion wasn't true.
The Russian disinformation operation of the Hunter Biden laptop wasn't true.
And what's most striking about it is what we now know, Seb.
We know the FBI had that laptop in its possession in 2019.
They had authenticated it.
They had already alerted Hunter Biden that he was under investigation for matters that were on that laptop.
And still, 51 people with security clearance, 51 people that held the color of government authority and very important intelligence jobs, misled the American people.
That is gaslighting.
And it's what we do when we wanted to stabilize another country that's an enemy of ours.
We run these PSYOP operations.
We did it to our own people.
I think he just came up with that phrase on the spot.
That's why he's so good.
I think we have to use this phrase.
It was an indelible illusion.
That letter was indelible because of the effect it had on political discourse, but it was illusory.
The question is, will there be any ramifications for those lies?
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I got the Boston bombing thing.
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All right, he is still on the warpath.
He's spreading the truth.
He may not be completely MAGA, or America First, but Elon Musk is getting increasingly political every single day, and he said the following about, well, If you use social media, if you have a smartphone and you think your communications are safe even on platforms like Twitter, when it comes to direct messaging that a lot of people use instead of texts, Elon Musk is news for you.
Cut three.
The degree to which various government agencies had effectively had full access to everything that was going on on Twitter blew my mind.
I was not aware of that.
Would that include people's DMs?
Yes.
Gotta give him credit.
He's now the CEO.
That could hurt the company that he admits, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, before I bought the company, FBI, CIA, they wanted access to an American's direct messages with their friends on social media.
I'm going to give you a peek behind the curtain.
Yeah, it's true.
They did.
Now what kind of government does that without a warrant?
It's a government that's a police state that thinks they have a right to your private communications anytime for no reason.
We salute you, Elon Musk.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is America First.
My gosh, he's announced he's going to run for the Senate.
He's a buddy of the show.
Sheriff Mark Lamb is going to be next.
And then we have the White House whistleblower, the stenographer from the Obama administration saying, he has the goods!
Biden's a crook and he can prove it.
Yeah, Mike McCormack.
Don't miss it.
Stay on this channel. Stay on this channel.
Stay on this channel.
- The attack appears timed for maximum impact.
Just before 2.50 p.m., this is the viewpoint seen by many of the 26,000 marathon runners who are approaching the finish line.
The first of the two explosions rocks the sidewalk along the course.
White smoke blasting into the air, blowing metal barricades into the street, spewing shrapnel into crowds gathered in the finish.
The moment captured from multiple angles just as the race clock approaches the 4 hour and 10 minute mark.
Tonight, these streets seem frozen in time.
at that moment this afternoon when two bombs went off at that finish line, wounding more than 140, killing three at least, including an eight-year-old.
A second explosion goes off about 130 yards from the first, less than a block away.
Oh god, get out of the stands!
Very loud.
The ground shook.
You could just feel it going down through you.
As the injured lay on the pavement, blood staining the ground, emergency medical technicians, Boston police and some 400 National Guardsmen already on hand for the race immediately triaged the wounded.
The event's medical tent was transformed into a trauma unit.
I saw one guy with his legs gone at the knees.
Ten years ago this weekend, Two brothers placed improvised explosive devices at the Patriot Day Marathon in Boston.
Two, to have even more of an effect than just one.
As people rushed to the scene to help those who were injured or killed, they were killed as well.
Three people, a young boy including amongst them, Hundreds and hundreds of injured individuals and 17 including some of the runners who had their limbs blown off.
I was honored to be asked by the Department of Justice 10 years ago to serve as one of the expert witnesses and I wrote a report.
They gave me the hard drives of the surviving Tsarnaev brother And I used all of the jihadi material on the hard drives that he had read to compile an analysis for the jury of what he believed and why he wanted to kill as many people as possible.
We must never forget the threat.
Under President Trump, we dealt lethal, lethal blows to groups like ISIS.
But we must always be vigilant.
A marathon?
Young children killed?
You are the front line.
Let's talk to a man who every day carries a badge and a gun to protect the citizens of Pinal County.
He's a friend of this show and a great patriot.
Sheriff Mark Lamb, welcome to America First.
Thank you, Sebastian.
Thanks for having me on.
And my heart goes out to all those families that were involved in that Boston incident.
So tragic and just shows you just what terrorism can do to our country.
Yeah.
And the fact that we forget about it so easily is a dangerous thing to allow ourselves to do.
Let's talk about how the threat has changed domestically after the Trump administration basically destroyed the ISIS caliphate, and how now we have crime in American cities, especially Democrat-led cities, out of control, and we have an open border with fentanyl, with guns, with known terrorists crossing the border.
We have a new mayor, a mayor-elect of Chicago.
His name is Brandon Johnson.
And Chicago doesn't need this kind of help from a new mayor.
Basically, in this interview, he said, well, let me make some excuses for criminals and for looters.
Brandon Johnson, mayor-elect, Chicago.
Cut eight.
So you're not condoning looting?
I'm saying that people are acting out of desperation.
We don't want a society that is acting out of desperation.
But you have to pay attention to the cries that people have.
So you're not condoning looting?
There's no way to embrace that.
What I'm saying is you can't condone the looting that corporations continue to do every single day when they take tax dollars from black, brown, white folks all over the city of Chicago so that they can turn a profit.
I don't even know what that means.
Corporations?
How are corporations taxing people in Chicago?
And what has that got to do with people looting stores?
You're a professional law enforcement officer.
Did you understand that clip?
No, what I understood is he's not strong on defense.
He doesn't protect his community.
Look, you've got to be, you attain peace through strength.
You have to show some level of strength.
You have to hold people accountable.
And look at where we're at as a country nowadays.
Our enemies don't fear us and our friends don't respect us.
This administration has bungled so many situations like Afghanistan, the southern border, which I hope we come back and talk about the terrorism that comes through the southern border every day.
The unwillingness to hold people accountable, whether it's crime in big cities like Chicago, that fading in.
Now we've got Russia who thought they could invade Ukraine, which wouldn't have happened under President Trump.
We've got China surrounding Taiwan.
These kind of things happen when you show weakness and you don't send a message to the bad guys that we will hold you accountable and we will come after you if you do this.
All right, we can talk about the border and the changes in the last two years, but it would be remiss of me if I didn't share with our millions of listeners right now.
You made quite a big announcement recently, Sheriff Lamb.
I guess keeping the people of Pinal County is, you know, too easy for you.
What are you going to do next for America?
You know, I don't know if it's too easy.
I love doing this job.
But you know, as I looked around in America and Arizona, especially, I realized that Arizona and America need proven conservative fighters that are going to go up and go out there and fight for what this country was built on, which was God, family and freedom.
People who are strong on the rule of law.
People who will fight against border security.
People who understand what it takes to stay within a budget and work on this economy.
I mean, the list goes on and on of what we need in this country.
The people of Arizona need good representation.
And because of that, I've decided to run for the U.S.
Senate here in Arizona.
And hopefully your listeners will come support me because we can't continue to get out-fundraised either.
Support you can come support me at sherifflandforsenate.com.
We can take Arizona back.
We're going to take Arizona back.
And we're going to start taking America back.
I need to know what my buddy Carrie Lake thinks of your decision because you're both from Arizona.
We love Carrie.
I'd like to see her in the Trump administration.
Have you talked to Carrie since you made your big announcement?
You know, we haven't spoken since then.
And what I do is I've learned after two elections of being successful, you focus on what you got to do at hand.
You know, I love her.
She's a great friend, and I look forward to what she's going to do for Arizona.
Right now, I'm focused on what I've got to do, which is go out and run a strong race and show the people of Arizona that I'm worthy of getting their vote and that I want to represent them.
And I understand what it means to serve the people, just like I've done for seven years here in Pinal County as their proven conservative fighter.
Alright, so give us a sit-rep.
What is the reality of the last 25 months for you, trying to keep the people of Pinal County safe from those coming illegally across the border?
How bad has it become, Sheriff?
But it's been horrible.
You know, I testified in Congress a few weeks back about just what the impact has been across Arizona, in particular in my county.
We've seen a 377% increase in the last two years in traffic stops involving human smuggling, a 461% increase in pursuits involving human smuggling, a 610% increase in fentanyl seizures.
Just the other day, we had a traffic stop.
The guy had cocaine.
Methamphetamine, fentanyl pills, and something called gray death.
Now, gray death is a concoction of heroin, fentanyl, and carfentanil, which is a hundred times more powerful than fentanyl.
That was in his car.
My deputy actually got a little sick.
Luckily, we didn't have to take him to the hospital.
Hang on, your deputy got sick because of the drugs that he intercepted?
Because they were in the atmosphere?
Yep.
Started having a...
A heightened heart rate, started feeling faint.
We were able to kind of treat him on scene.
Luckily, we didn't have to take him to the hospital.
But just look at how easy it was for him to be hurt by it.
Think about if you were using that stuff on purpose.
Or think about what they're doing to our children when they put it into the hands of our children who don't know better, who haven't learned that this is not what they need to be doing.
It's not good for them.
And obviously, fentanyl and opiates have become the leading cause of death in America.
Alright, what is your message to the people, not of Pinal County, but the whole state, why they need to go to sherifflamforsenate.com?
You've got 30 seconds.
Mark, do it.
We've got to protect our borders.
We've got to get our economy back online.
We've got to become energy independent again.
We've got to have a strong national defense.
We've got to uphold the rule of law.
And we've got to stop terrorists from coming in, just like you saw at the opening of this piece, Boston bombing.
We're letting terrorists every day, terrorists, people who wish harm on America, every day in across that southern border.
We've got to stop it.
So come support me at sherifflandforsenate.com.
All right, if I were from the state of Arizona, I'd be voting for you.
Follow him at sherifflam1 and go right now to sherifflam4senate.com.
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God bless you.
Keep those citizens of your county safe.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is America First.
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Any embeds here? - Uh, Let's have a look.
What have we got left?
We've got to do Israel.
We'll do Israel 30 here, yeah.
Okay.
And then I'll do... I'll do pod at the end of here as well.
Then I'll do social media at the top of C. All right.
Can you guys get some images?
Maybe we have them in the system.
Oh, that was good B-roll on the border, by the way.
Some images of the leaker or the story of the leaker, the Air National Guard guy.
Yes, sir.
We have.
Yeah, we had two B-roll.
We re-rolled it during the Koffler, but we've got a little to share.
And then the cops outside his house.
I'm going to talk about him in D. Copy that.
Dr. G, for the next guest, do you prefer my count or off?
Off.
Copy that. Copy that.
Copy that.
Copy that. Copy that. Copy that. Copy that. .
Needless to say, it's a bad look for the country that classified information could be shared by a 21-year-old kid who simply wanted to show off.
But you know what else is a bad look?
When a 76-year-old former president is suspected of doing something pretty similar.
This week, the New York Times revealed that the special counsel in the Mar-a-Lago documents case is investigating, quote, whether former President Trump showed off to aides and visitors a map he took with him when he left office that contained sensitive intelligence information.
We don't know what that map is of, but still.
It follows similar reporting from the Washington Post that investigators are scrutinizing whether Trump shared classified documents with political donors.
With political donors!
Maybe to show off to them too.
That's weird though, because you're using unnamed sources.
Are these the same unnamed sources that told us that Mike Flynn was going to flip on President Trump, or that President Trump is an asset of the KGB, or that there was a quid pro quo between Kiev and the Trump administration?
The other thing about that clip, that's Jen Psaki, who's not a commentator.
On mainstream legacy-lying media.
She's looking into the camera.
You know who looks into the camera?
Show hosts.
People who are not there to give their opinion, but to pitch.
Why is she pitching?
Is she doing political work?
For the DNC?
Under the cover of the media?
Yeah, I think you know the answer to that question.
Alright, let's talk to somebody who's worked in the White House and caused quite a bit of a stir of late.
He's the author of a book called Joe Biden Unauthorized and he has a story to tell about Ukraine and the then Vice President.
Mike McCormack, welcome to America First!
Hi Sed, thanks for having me.
Absolutely, absolutely.
So I'm just looking at your rather impressive LinkedIn bio.
Not only were you a White House stenographer for more than three years, you are the Deputy Director of White House Stenographers of the Office of Stenography.
Let's start for those who haven't worked inside the building and haven't had to use the services of a stenographer.
What is a White House stenographer, and what kind of conversations were you privy to when you worked in the Obama-Biden White House?
That's a great question.
And you know, I worked there when you were there.
I used to walk across West Exec and see a really cool Mustang sitting out there on the road.
Parking number six, slot six, right next to the West Wing.
When I got that parking permit for slot six, I was very, very excited.
You know what pissed me off, Mike?
There was one other car.
There was a Corvette and my Mustang outside the West Wing.
Every other stinking car was an import.
I was not impressed.
Even my buddy Spicer didn't drive.
No, he had the Corvette.
Everybody else had like German and Japanese cars.
That's just wrong!
Oh, well.
And I like your license plate.
I'm not going to out you with it.
Thank you.
It has something to do with a certain Chinese strategist of two and a half thousand years ago.
You're a very canny man.
You have a good memory.
All right.
So tell our millions of listeners and viewers, what's a stenographer and what kind of conversations would you be in the room for?
Well, I was a stenographer in the White House from 2002 to 2018.
Yes.
I was only in the White House.
Obama federalized us in 2014.
That's why it was only that last three years.
So I worked there basically for a span of 15 years.
It was a short time I was out of there.
My job was to be with the press.
So anything the press said, or anything the president or vice president or senior administration officials said to the press, there had to be a White House stenographer standing there with a microphone to record it and make a very immediate transcript of it.
Right, so when there's an official White House transcript, where do they get it from?
They get it from people like you.
Exactly.
And I was on the plane with Joe Biden.
China, Russia, Ukraine.
Now, you were on those meetings, you were writing down what was being said, and there was one particular trip where a certain person came to the back of the plane where you were, you wrote down what he said, and then later, a few years later, Something clicked for you.
Now, it's a little bit complicated, but explain why you say today that you have the goods, not just on corruption when it comes to the Bidens, but actual crimes.
What was it you witnessed then?
And then what did you realize later you had actually seen?
Excellent question.
So, I left the White House in 2018, started writing books.
That's when I wrote this book, Joe Biden Authorized.
About two years later.
Then I got a hold of the Hunter Biden laptop through Marco Polo, the nonprofit, their anti-corruption organization.
They just gave it to me.
You mean a copy of the hard drive?
A copy of the hard drive, yeah.
They said, you get a copy, you know a lot about him, go to it.
So then I started looking into it and writing a sub stack and the sub stack is called Midnight in a Laptop of Good and Evil.
And I started laying out, day by day, trip by trip, what happened.
About four or five months ago, in November, October, I went back to the trip in April 21st, 2014, when Jake Sullivan is on the plane with us.
We're in Air Force Two.
Who is Jake Sullivan?
So now he's Biden's National Security Advisor.
Back then, under Obama, who is Jake Sullivan?
He was the vice president's national security advisor.
He was vice presidential level, not White House level.
So it was basically same job, same guy, just they were the vice president's office.
Right.
So he comes back in the plane, and I'm looking at this transcript, and I realize, based on what I've been writing in my sub stack, Hunter Biden had already joined the board of barista.
I'd seen emails.
I'm signing up today on the 18th.
April 18th.
So that's three days before this 21st, April 21st trip.
And by the way, when Hunter Biden signed up on April 18th, in the morning, he was on Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski.
You mean when he, you know, the day he started working for one of the most corrupt energy companies in Ukraine.
That's what you're talking about.
Exactly.
Use them as his cover story.
And they probably still don't understand what happened.
Go ahead.
You've got a minute left in this segment.
We'll keep you over, but continue the story.
OK, so we're on the plane and he starts talking about fracking.
That's Burisma's specialty.
And Hunter is already on the board.
So the vice president's spokesman is telling the press the company that his son works secretly for already
So then Biden, the Vice President, his National Security Advisor, is boosting a business issue in front of American journalists that it directly involves his son Hunter Biden, who just signed a contract with the company who's in that sector, correct?
Correct.
Wow.
All right.
Hang on.
This is huge stuff.
Stay with us.
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Thank you.
And I'm also very grateful for Jennifer Horne stepping into the breach when I had to travel to New York on Friday.
Thank you for covering off.
I did listen to you on the train on the way back.
You did an amazing job as usual.
And I have to thank you for all the work she did when I went to Israel in December with 350 of our dearest listeners.
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We are back halfway through the incredible story of the man in the White House who was writing down the discussions, getting them published as official transcripts, White House stenographer Mike McCormack.
So you realize that the then Vice President's National Security Advisor revealed The kind of grifting, pay-for-play, assisting Hunter get his deals as his dad is vice president.
Not only vice president, let's remember, point person for Ukraine in the Obama administration.
What else do we need to know about this story, Mike?
Yeah, so he comes back, he gets asked a question by the press.
What's this energy assistance you're bringing?
Well he, you know, he's kind of a smart guy, he dances around the answer.
It's fracking.
He uses something like non-conventional energy reserves.
You mean Jake Sullivan says that?
Jake Sullivan, right.
And so, that's Burisma's specialty.
And they did a lot of it in Crimea, and they did a lot of it in the Donbas, which is now under... A war zone, right, under Russian control, right.
Correct.
After that, I realized that this was him basically promoting Joe Biden's agenda.
It's a kickback scheme.
He's using US government policy to make money for the company his son, Hunter Biden, just got the job with.
Correct.
And no one knew it.
No one on the plane knew it.
But Joe knew it.
I know Joe knew it because Joe had meetings in the White House with Hunter.
April 16th, two days before he signed into Burisma.
There's emails in the laptop that say, I want to be there with his friend, Devin Archer, went there.
His friend and fellow Burisma board member, Devin Archer, went there with his son.
There's emails saying, I want to be in there.
His calendar says, meet Devin and Luke at WH at 1115.
He went on that.
He went there.
So Joe knew.
It wasn't just fracking.
I'll be having a substack out on Wednesday.
Right, but you said you wanted to break some news.
What do you want to break here on our show, Mike?
That's what we're doing.
In the assistance package they brought, they also talked about we're going to be bringing something from the USAID called Municipal Energy Reform Program, MERP.
A barista wound up with a big grant from Merp.
It was basically part and parcel.
It wasn't just shale oil assistance, it was also this Merp assistance.
And it came through a guy in the USAID State Department, their energy guy, a guy named Amos Hochstein, who figured out very highly in the impeachment of President Trump.
All right, so hang on, let me get this clear.
Amos Huckstein, USAID, which is a federal agency that provides aid to other countries.
Burisma gets U.S.
taxpayer aid money from USAID just moments after Hunter goes on the board of Burisma, the same company.
It didn't materialize moments after.
But the intent was there.
It actually materialized in September of 2014 is when they got a grant.
There's emails of representatives from Burisma saying, well, we got a grant from USAID.
This is great.
Absolutely incredible.
All right, you've got to follow this man right now.
He's going to give you all the details on his substack.
It's Midnight in the Laptop of Good and Evil, a rather literary title.
That's the Midnight in the Laptop of Good and Evil.
The website is Joe Biden Unauthorized, and the book is of the same title.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
We've been listening to a brave man, Mike McCormack.
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All right, we'll do the rest later.
All right, I'm probably going to use the Clarence Thomas lynching here.
Come in with cut five, please.
Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We've got a crisis when it comes to roadway fatalities in America.
We lose about 40,000 people every year.
It's a level that's comparable to gun violence.
And we see a lot of racial disparities, black and brown, Americans, tribal citizens, and rural residents.
Much more likely to lose their lives whether it's in a car or as a pedestrian being hit by a car.
There are a lot of reasons related to discrimination, related to even the ways that roads are designed and built.
Who has access to a safe street design that's got crosswalks and good lighting?
So people being killed in traffic accidents because they're black and they're being... discriminated against?
Jeff, did I understand Boot-Edge-Edge correctly there?
Yeah, he's been on this campaign for about a year now.
That all the roads are racist.
So how does that work?
So when you hear the report, because you're a radio guy and you've been a radio guy for a long time, and there's like a traffic incident and there's a report, you know, three car pileup, jackknife, a pedestrian ran over.
Do the police ever say what aspect of the bigotry caused the traffic death?
Well, that was before Mayor Pete became the Transportation Secretary.
He's unraveled this.
He's really figured this out.
Okay.
So what do you think?
How is it?
Is it like the car sees or the truck sees somebody who's a different skin color and then decides to hit them?
I think it's a stretch that the left isn't really even picking up on this.
Mayor Pete's been doing this for a while about this, but they're not even really going with this.
That's how much of a stretch it is.
I've got to ask you one question, because you've got a very good kind of radar.
I won't use any other word for it.
Do you think this guy actually believed what he just said?
I don't think he does.
I really don't think he does.
He can't be that stupid.
No, he's not.
Because Sharpton's face, if you weren't watching, Sharpton's face was like...
It looked like he was falling asleep, didn't it?
Yeah, but he wants to stand out because eventually he's going to run for president again.
That's what I was thinking at the end.
At the end of that clip, I thought, there is no way this guy's running for president.
And what else can you do on the left if you're the transportation secretary to try to have something that is, you know what I mean, that appeals to the base?
You got to make it racist, right?
But roads!
Roads!
Well, that's his thing.
What else can he do, though?
It's a boring position.
Baby formula is racist.
How about that?
Because it's white!
Right?
It's white!
That would work.
Ooh, I just gave them an idea.
I hope they're not listening.
Alright guys, let's talk about something serious here.
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All right, the leaker the Massachusetts National Guard airman.
Can we stop having conservatives call him a hero and a whistleblower?
I was traveling to this memorial service in New York on Friday and I saw people who call themselves conservatives, people who have pretty big social media followings.
I saw one guy On Instagram, actually repost the image of a tweet he sent out on Instagram saying that the man, kid, he's what, 21?
The young man arrested by the FBI SWAT team, there he is in his Air National Guard uniform.
This individual, this 21-year-old is a whistleblower and is a hero.
Really?
Now, what is a whistleblower?
Is it somebody who Blows a whistle?
No.
Look it up, you cretins!
A whistleblower is somebody who discovers, by dint of their employment in the US government usually, corruption, malfeasance, wasting of taxpayer money, illegal activity, and wants to blow the whistle on it.
And there's a Whistleblower Act to protect them from if their boss at whatever government institution or military entity or department is the corrupt person and he drops a dime on them to protect them from retaliation by their superiors.
It's called the Whistleblower Act protections.
But to get those protections you have to do what?
You have to tell somebody who's in charge, who has oversight over government, meaning Congress.
If it's something at the FBI or the DOJ, you say, OK, I'm going to take my proof, my evidence of corruption at, you know, the police or what have you, to the Judiciary Committee.
If it's corruption at the Pentagon, I'm going to take it to the people who have oversight of the Pentagon, at the Armed Services Committee.
Did he do that?
Oh, there's another option.
It's a less formal definition of whistleblower.
The Pentagon Papers.
Yes?
Ellsberg.
Corruption with regards to Vietnam and the war.
And he does a massive data dump.
He steals classified documents from the Pentagon and he gives them to what?
The New York Times.
To tell the world.
To tell the American people, the taxpayers.
What did this 21-year-old do?
Did he tell?
The Armed Services Committee?
Did he go to Congress?
Did he tell Jim Jordan?
Did he give it to somebody like Matt Gaetz?
Or Breitbart?
Or Newsmax?
No, no.
He stole hundreds of top-secret documents, some of which include human intelligence assets.
People who will be killed if they're identified.
And he gave them to who?
Oh yeah, the 30 kids on his video game discord chat room to flex, to show off.
Hey, I'm so cool.
I work in the military.
I got access to top secret documents.
He was showing off.
Not a hero.
No.
Not a whistleblower.
A deranged kid.
Flexing.
Showing off.
On a chat room which, by the way, had foreign nationals in it.
Some of whom had IP addresses.
Internet addresses.
From Russia.
So grow up.
If you're a conservative, an influencer with a following, don't publish garbage like that.
There are real heroes, and you just undermine the meaning of the word.
He's just a punk.
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Okay, so I see a lot of comments on social media about that stuff that A1C, what's his name, put out there.
I see people saying things such as, Ukraine is losing or we have troops on the ground.
Is there any truth to those statements?
It's a longer discussion, but how long have you been listening to my show?
Like today or just in general?
In general.
Oh, past couple years.
Yeah, well we discuss it all the time.
My analysis of Ukraine.
Look, here's the answer.
Tomorrow afternoon, 5 o'clock, we're going to have the Chief Russia Officer from the Defense Intelligence Agency to answer exactly those questions.
So, 5 o'clock, tomorrow afternoon, be sure to be there.
Okay?
Okay.
Yeah, I mean with the Ukraine thing, I figured that was full of crap just because, you know, clearly Putin's not doing very well.
Well, no, I mean, if you think about it, he's had more casualties in 14 months than he did in, than the Soviets had in 10 years in Afghanistan.
I would say that's a pretty solid indicator that he's not doing too well.
But the biolabs!
Thank you.
I know, that's bullcrap, I'm just... Yeah, you know who built the biolabs, right?
Yeah, I read your sub-sac.
It was the Soviets, correct?
Correct.
There you go.
Alright, thanks buddy.
Yeah, thank you.
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Mr. G, is it true we haven't taken any calls in the last two hours?
Not yet.
What's going on?
A lot of guests.
Pretty busy for a Monday, right?
Yes, it was.
All right, let's stay on topic.
Mike, Detroit, line three.
Yeah, Dr. Corker.
I wondered what you made of this, you know, this National Guardsman.
It just seems so bizarre.
They had one of his, it's almost like he was a leader of a cult, and, you know, in the shadows was one of his kind of followers describing him as a certain kind of a man, and then he went on, you know, sensitive or whatever.
I can't remember the words, but it was very bizarre.
Then he went on to saying he loved NASCAR, he loved shooting guns, and Drinking beer and chasing women or whatever the whole thing is just so bizarre I mean as far as his followers in him or whatever his circle of friends are It was I couldn't figure that out.
Yeah, the most bizarre thing of all is the interview of the 17 year old buddy from the chat room that the Washington Post published just before The FBI was unleashed.
Very strange.
Too rehearsed.
We will find out.
But I think this individual himself is probably very, very strange.
But we shall see.
Thank you, Mike.
Let's go to Illinois.
Line one.
Joe.
Dr. G. Yep.
Last weekend there were riots downtown Chicago.
Yep.
They beat the crap out of this white woman just because she was white.
That did not make the news.
Well, of course, because it doesn't fit the narrative.
It's like, don't ask the question, Joe, who is beating up, sometimes fatally, Asian Americans in New York?
Joe, do not ask that question, because the answer, well, let's just say, it doesn't fit the narrative, Joe.
Thank you for your book, sir.
Right?
Because, of course, you know, who are the only people who can be racists in America, Joe?
Apparently not white people.
The only people who can be racist, according to the left, is white people.
Nobody else.
The idea that we can have people of a certain skin color beat up Asians in New York.
I don't know if this is actually too logical, Joe, but when Democrats realize where the anti-Asian hatred is coming from, there might be a kind of wake-up moment.
But I don't know.
All right.
Thank you, Joe.
Yeah.
And the other thing is, who was doing the rioting?
It's teenagers.
It's kids.
This isn't 1968.
This isn't, you know, idealistic, ideological grown-ups.
Children are beating up adults, looting, burning up Chicago.
Kids?
Now, yeah, I don't think that's on Republicans.
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Chris Coles, I understand you didn't have the kind of Ghostbusters, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Highlander experience with my choice this week.
Well, there was a time, Sebastian Gorka, when you told me that I would have to do most of the talking for another project.
I think it was Mad Max.
Hey!
You're giving away all our secrets?
What are you doing, man?
What are you doing?
But also, you once told me I would have to try to convince you that Back to the Future was a good film.
True.
Now, this is objectively absurd.
Everyone in the world is like, Sebastian Gorka is nuts, right?
But, okay, let me just say this about Dune.
I did not expect it to be good at all.
I was dreading watching this film.
Because you'd never seen it, right?
I'd never seen it.
I have seen the first half of the new film.
The remake that split the story into two halves, right.
And I fell asleep like six times watching it.
It was terrible.
And I thought, oh, God, I've got to sit through this again, right?
So I watched this one.
And I do have to say it's a lot better than the new one.
And there are like these little hints of genius throughout the film, I have to say.
There are moments of genius in this movie, and I can see why some people love it and why some people hate it.
And maybe through the course of the hour, we can figure out why some people love it and some people hate it.
The reason I think maybe a lot of people hate it is because those moments of genius are fairly inconsistent.
So you have moments of genius, and then you have moments of kind of tacky, weird stuff.
And the thing that I want to compare it to is Star Wars.
Because Star Wars very obviously ripped this story off from the novels, right?
This is a novel originally.
And I think for film, Star Wars did it better.
Star Wars, everything was very real and naturalistic.
George Lucas tried to make everything as realistic as possible.
Whereas Dune kind of feels like I'm going to see a Broadway show a little bit.
Interesting.
All right.
Look, this is where it gets really fun because I watched this as a kid.
I was 13 years old.
I think it has been unduly maligned.
Yes, there are issues with it.
All the exposition, the voiceover stuff.
I get it.
But some aspects of it.
I mean, the battle sequence.
They had some battle sequences where they had 3,000 people in the Mexican desert.
I mean, just stunning.
Is that true?
Yeah.
They had six Chris, they had 6,000 costumes built by hand.
6,000 costumes made.
And some of those costumes are amazing.
Oh my gosh.
I mean, just the still suits alone took four years to make.
So, you know, there's good and bad.
And I think it has been much maligned.
But let's start with what you liked about it.
What are those flashes of genius that touched you?
Let's not talk about the weaknesses.
Let's talk about the good stuff to begin with.
Well, a lot of it is the details.
I mean, you've got, first of all, who walks in at the beginning of the film?
It's Captain Picard.
Yes!
And it's Al from Quantum Leap, who turns out to be the traitor in the film, spoiler alert.
Yes.
And I'm just sitting there, I'm going, okay, these are already childhood favorites of mine, and they don't disappoint.
Patrick Stewart, Dean Stockwell, an amazing cast.
There are some really standout actors.
I actually think that the lead was quite well cast.
I think he was quite well cast.
And the chick that was in, you'll know her name, the chick that was in Blade Runner,
Absolutely beautiful and even his mother absolutely stunning woman and did a really good job and they did really really well like some of the actors did really well in this film and even the actors that I think I didn't like because they were too theatrical I think they were they were actually fine because I think that's maybe what the director wanted but it's not what I want to see in a sci-fi film.
Kyle MacLachlan talking about theatrical just for a second Kyle MacLachlan The lead, Paul Atreides, he had just graduated theater school.
He was in a play in Seattle.
He'd never been to L.A., never been to L.A.
as an actor, and this was the first time he'd ever done anything for TV or movies.
Not too bad.
Yeah, and he was, well, I mean, he has that fresh face, he has that look of optimism, that sort of Luke Skywalker-esque character.
And, yeah, I think he was well cast.
Again, I just think it was a little too theatrical, but, you know, there are things like, if I compare the main villain, the primary villain, I think- The Baron.
The Baron Harkonnen.
The Baron, yeah.
Yeah, Harkonnen.
If I compare him to Darth Vader, Darth Vader is one of the most iconic villains in the history of cinema.
Darth Vader looks cool, okay?
Darth Vader looks cool.
Harkonnen is revolting.
You do not want to look at the screen.
In fact, I literally looked away from the screen whenever he was there.
It was difficult to watch.
A lot of the evil in this film was Expressed with gross-out moments, with stuff that was disgusting.
And I think that's inevitably going to make it more difficult for a film like this to be successful.
In the same way that the phasers that they used, right, were these weird voice phasers where you had to yell- The weird phasers?
Oh my gosh, we're not Star Trek.
The weirding modules, okay?
You're being like Jeff now.
Can you get into the sci-fi fantasy just a little bit, Chris?
Well, whenever you would shoot these, you'd have to go pew pew, you know, because there's like a voice mechanism, which I think would probably work really, really well for the novel, right?
Because you can imagine these things as you're, but to see people going pew pew as they're shooting these things, how much better is it to have a lightsaber?
For cinema.
It's a visual medium.
You want a lightsaber.
Lightsaber's cool.
Pew pew, not so cool.
So these are some of the reasons, I think, that this film didn't do as well as Star Wars.
But look at those costumes.
I mean, we've got some on the screen right now.
They're scarier, I would say, than like a Stormtrooper outfit.
I gotta just geek out here, because I watched the making of and everything else.
The costumes you just saw of the Guild Navigators, these black, they look like heavy leather, I watched an interview with the costumier, the guy that was chief designer for the costumes.
They found dozens of body bags in a New York firehouse from the 1930s with bits and pieces in them that they washed out.
And they cut them up and they made them into these super scary kind of black outfits.
And then when you see their stormtroopers, the Sadakar, come off the ships with these complete black masks.
I mean, scarier than any stormtrooper from Star Wars, I'm sorry.
I mean, just, if you're 14 years old and you saw those guys coming, these 7 foot tall guys with completely blacked out masks, and the Guild Navigator, this creepy thing, I mean, it's pretty scary!
Oh yeah, yeah.
Actually, this creature here, who I thought, I assumed that that was the Emperor, no?
No, he's the Emperor.
José Ferré is the Emperor, this guy.
And he's talking to the Chief Guild Navigator.
That's a human who's been mutated by using the Spice to fold space.
But it's clear that the Navigator's really in charge.
Yeah, exactly, right.
That's why maybe I had those two mixed up.
And a lot of this stuff in this film is hard to keep straight because there's so much.
It's such an elaborate world that to fit it all into one film I think was very difficult and makes the film a little bit convoluted and difficult to follow.
Okay, so the Navigator here, I do think that this puppet, or whatever the heck it is, An amazing effect I mean this thing looks magnificent I mean terrifying and disgusting but that container he's in it looks like some kind of like train car or something like that and then he's but he looks it looks real I mean I kind of buy it you know Yeah, yeah.
I have to say that some of the effects here, we'll talk about.
You know, the battle at the end of the movie, superb.
Some a little bit ropey.
The worms, some of the worms, not exactly convincing, but we shall discuss.
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The spice extends life.
The spice expands consciousness.
Yes.
The spice is vital to space travel.
The Spacing Guild and its navigators, who the spice has mutated over 4,000 years, use the orange spice gas, which gives them the ability to fold space.
That is, travel to any part of the universe without moving.
That is the Emperor's daughter.
Her diary, a kind of diary or letters, performs a similar device in the original book at the beginning of each chapter, trying to explain exposition, what's going on thousands, tens of thousands of years in the future.
Which is the June Universe.
Let's put the original book up, published in 1965.
It was a series of books by Frank Herbert, six of them.
Then his son, with a co-author, took over after his passing.
And we've got some photographs of the great Frank Herbert, who was on set and who was happy with Lynch's production.
Then his son, He authored another 16 novels based upon Dune, and massively, massively successful.
Chris, one of the problems with doing this, and that's why the remake has split the original book into two parts, two different movies, is just the amount of information.
You know, if you're doing science fiction, you have to do what is called world building.
And here, there was a lot of world or universes to build, right?
Oh yeah, George Lucas had a lot to steal from in this world.
Arrakis is very obviously has been turned into Tatooine.
I have a list here that I've written.
It has twin moons, even.
They even stole the twins.
It's a desert planet with twin moons, right?
Then there's the spice.
The spice doesn't feature heavily in Star Wars, but they do talk about the spice mines of Kessel, I think.
Uh, telepathy with using the force, uh, the Jedi mind trick is something that's featured heavily in this.
Uh, although they use their voice, obviously.
Um, there's like a voice trick.
Uh, they say in this, in this film, may the hand of God be with you, right?
And then of course, in Star Wars, it's may the force be with you.
The sandworms became the, the Sarlacc in Star Wars.
There's of course an evil empire.
Yeah, I mean, there's just so many things.
And then, of course, there are a couple of things, as I mentioned before, that Star Wars, I think, did better, with Harkonnen being disgusting and Vader being cool, voice guns being a little silly, lightsabers being cool.
I do have to say, like, this guy is kind of from my region.
The author of these books is from my region of the country.
He's from Washington state, but he lived in Salem, Oregon for a while, which is where I'm from.
And he actually went to my high school.
Are you kidding?
It's just really weird.
No, we went to the same high school.
I did a little research before I came on.
Is there some plaque on the wall?
There should be, shouldn't there be?
Yeah!
I never knew that until this morning.
I was looking up his biography and I'm like, he went to my high school.
That was really weird.
And the Dunes of Dune that eventually became the Dunes of Tatooine, right?
The dunes of Dune were actually inspired by the dunes of Southern Oregon, and I used to go travel there on vacation with my family.
We used to always go camping every summer, and sometimes we'd go to these dunes in Southern Oregon.
I haven't been there since I was a child, but they are quite magical, and there's some places in the world that do have this kind of magic to them.
I don't know if I'd feel that way now going back, but maybe I just felt that way since I was a kid, and they were kind of neat sand dunes, you know?
But I've been there and I really loved it and I can definitely see that kind of a place inspiring somebody to write a novel, right?
And that's what happened.
He wrote a novel after having visited this place, these sand dunes in southern Oregon.
And yeah, so if you want to see the Dunes of Tatooine, or what inspired them originally, go to Southern Oregon.
Fascinating.
But let's just know here, guys, before people start writing in the comments and DMing us, we know Dune was made after Star Wars, okay, 77 and 84.
But the book was published in 65 and we know how much, let's just use the word borrowed, how much Lucas borrowed from Joseph Campbell and it would be very surprising if he hadn't read at least the original Dune before he started writing.
What is it?
The Chronicle of the Wills?
That was the original name for the Star Wars.
That's right.
The Chronicle of the Wills.
Let's talk about some of the acting.
Kyle MacLachlan, first movie ever, becomes a big David Lynch, you know, permanent member of his TV show and movies in the future.
This is, you know, one of the first scenes in the movie with the infamous Gom Jabbar.
You feel an itching.
There.
Now, the itching becomes burning.
Heat upon heat.
Silence!
Silence!
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind killer.
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I'm ready to pass over me and through me.
I must not fear the flesh.
I must not fear the flesh.
The test to see whether he could be the quitsat had a rack this super being shot Sean Phillips is the Reverend Mother, an amazing famous British actor.
But Chris, so you've already mentioned Patrick Stewart, Dean Stockwell, but you know the list, his father, Jurgen Prochnow, I mean, it's hard to imagine a better cast than this.
No, they did great.
British actress, Francesca Anis.
And he just goes, Brad DeRiff, the voice of Chucky.
And then one of my favorites, Richard Jordan as Duncan Ida Coho.
And then Max von Sydow.
I mean, it's hard to imagine a better cast than this.
No, they did great.
And I mean, here's the thing.
I did enjoy the characters in the project.
Even though they were a little bit musical theater, I did enjoy them.
But there were difficult things for me.
Like, for instance, there is a telepathy, right?
You can speak to each other with your mind, or you can read minds if you have this kind of magical whatever they have.
Yeah, power.
But then also, in order to tell the story, Sometimes David Lynch would have the actors do a voiceover and we as the audience would hear their thoughts.
But there was no way to differentiate between if we're just listening to somebody's thoughts or if they're Oh I see.
You will like this movie.
by another character or something.
So it was this weird thing, just this technical thing, right?
And there were a number of things like that throughout the film that I'm just like, all right, I've got to watch this film like three more times to understand this.
You will like this movie.
By the time you've watched it five times, you will like this movie.
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Do you mean, of course, Duke Leto Atreides?
His father?
In the house, Atreides.
Fall.
Fall, Atreides.
You mean, of course, Duke Leto, Atreides.
His father.
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We want him killed.
I did not say this.
I am not here.
I understand.
I did not say this, and I was not here.
That would be a good rule for the Biden administration.
Chris, David Lynch, unusual choice to direct this movie.
Clearly he was, you know, into it.
Four years it took him to give birth to this.
When they gave this, when Dino Di Laurentiis offered this to him, he'd never read the books, knew nothing about Dune, and he'd only made two movies.
I don't know if you're into David Lynch, but let's just read his list of accomplishments.
It's interesting, if you go to his IMDB or look up his filmography, it's really short.
In comparison to other directors or producers, he's only got a handful of movies to his credit.
First one is the very, very weird Razorhead, the star of which has a cameo in Dune.
Then the thing that really burst him onto the international scene, amazing movie, tough movie to watch with John Hurt, of course, is Elephant Man.
And after he makes that black and white movie in the 80s, Elephant Man, he's offered this.
So, you're a Hollywood guy.
Not, you know, not really an obvious choice.
A razorhead?
Elephant Man?
A Victorian real story?
And then this?
So, weird pick, no?
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, a lot of it has to do with friendships and, you know, what's hot, right?
So what probably happened was, you know, Elephant Man is considered to be one of the fantastic films, considered a classic now, a modern classic.
I've never seen it all the way through, actually, because it used to come on TV all the time when I was a kid.
I always found it a bit It's tough.
It's tough to watch.
So I never sat down and watched it all the way through, even though I knew as a film student, this is one of the great films of all time.
I should probably watch this at some point.
I never got around to it.
So yeah, it's hard for me to judge, but sometimes that just happens where somebody is kind of like the bell of the ball for a little while, right?
You know, they're America's sweetheart, you know, and at this point it must have been David Lynch and somebody's... because apparently they were trying to get David Lynch for Return of the Jedi.
Yes.
And I'm so happy that he got, you know, got distracted and made this instead because, man, could you imagine if Return of the Jedi... No thanks!
...was made by Lynch.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm glad that Return of the Jedi is how it is.
And, you know, like I said, despite the fact that I'm not 100% convinced that Dune is a great film, Like I said, there are moments of genius and I could definitely see this movie having a new generation.
Do you know who that is?
Put the still up.
I gave you the still, Eric.
Do you have the still of the miner?
Do you know who that is?
I have no idea.
It's David Lynch.
Oh yeah!
You can tell!
It's David Lynch!
He's doing a little bit of a Hitchcock.
He's just smuggling himself in.
That's cool.
You know, I wonder how disappointed he was because this wasn't a big hit when it came out.
Oh, Chris, he disowned it.
I know.
Well, after they made, like, the TV version, right?
And they kind of messed with it even more.
Yeah, he came back to it later, but after the, you know, he complained about they messed with it.
He wanted to do a four-hour one.
They cut it down to three hours, so he wasn't happy.
Are you a fan of his in general?
Because afterwards, after this, he did Wild at Heart.
And then, of course, the rather un... I watched it as a kid.
The rather unusual Twin Peaks.
Where do you stand on David Lynch?
I've only seen the first episode of Twin Peaks.
I went back and I watched it because I know it was one of these quirky kind of classic TV shows that people have been so inspired by.
And so I thought, OK, I got to watch this show that everybody's inspired by.
Like, apparently X-Files was inspired by a show called Northern Exposure.
There's a lot of like kind of classic shows that were inspired by this Twin Peaks.
So I watched the first episode, and I thought, eh, it's probably not for me.
So I don't know if I'm a fan of David Lynch, but I don't think so.
That's my guess.
All right, we are talking the original OG, the original Dune.
Of course, they've made a new one.
We're waiting for part two next year.
They did a TV series.
They did actually two different seasons of the TV series.
We'll talk about those momentarily.
Corbin.
Cut it.
Move back. Move
back.
Quite a good effect.
I'm sure if a car had actually been standing in front of that thing when it exploded, he would have had a bit of shrapnel in his face.
But it looked good.
The weirding module was actually invented by Lynch.
They didn't exist in the original Dune movie.
Oh, and by the way, if you're not familiar, Lynch actually wrote the screenplay.
Isn't that unusual, Chris, in your business to have a director?
I mean, George Lucas does it, but even then he handed it off in Empire to have the director Take a book of whatever it is, 600 pages, and turn it into a screenplay.
That's some dedication.
Was it him that originally wrote the script?
Yes.
I just assumed that somebody else had written it and he'd made some... No, no, no.
It was him.
It was Lynch.
Lynch did it.
Oh, he straight up did the script?
Yeah.
I don't think it's that unusual, I mean, to be brought into a project and then for them to say, yeah, I want to write the script myself.
I think that's unusual.
But yeah, a lot of times a director will just say, I like this book.
I want to adapt it.
And they'll just do it themselves and then they'll get funding to produce that film.
You know, you get a lot of writer directors like Tarantino and people like that who write all their own stuff and that's the only stuff that they produce.
The only stuff they direct is the stuff that they write.
But yeah, for a director who doesn't necessarily write their own scripts, I don't know if he always writes his own scripts, but I think he wrote Twin Peaks, right?
He wrote Eraserhead.
Yeah, Eraserhead, absolutely.
So my son is, whenever I come downstairs and I see my son in the kitchen, As often as not, he will have one of the Dune books in his hands.
He's Lord of the Rings, he's Dune, he loves this stuff.
I think he's on maybe the last one in the series number, whatever it is, 22.
And I asked him this morning, so Paul, can you tell me in a sentence why, and this isn't just about the movie, why you like the Dune universe and the Dune novels?
And he said this, Dune tells an important and philosophically moving story through rich science fiction lenses with an enthralling world building.
And definitely, this guy built an enthralling world.
And one of the unusual things, and Herbert said this on an interview he did with David Lynch, is that he deliberately suppressed You know, the whiz-bang technology of other science fiction.
For example, one of the things of the Dune universe is that computers are banned.
Anything that is artificial and can think is banned.
He wanted this to be a story, you know, human conflict in the future, but about eternal human conflict issues.
And I have to say, and again, I'm not trying to You know, make a silk purse out of a sow's ear here.
But if you look at the fundamentals of this story, the betrayal, the competing families, it's almost Shakespearean, right?
This could be the Capulets and the Montagues.
It's classic themes, isn't it, Chris?
Yeah, I think not only do I think that that is one of the good things about the film, I think that that is one of the great things about Star Wars.
That's one of the great things I think that Lucas did with Star Wars, and obviously Herbert did it first with this project.
I do think that the Dune universe is a fascinating one and I think in like the novel form it would be.
I actually am tempted to read the novel just because the film I feel like doesn't do justice to the story.
There's a scene in which he decides to sort of like tame and ride this wild beast, the Sarlacc, right?
Now I feel like He may have made the Sarlacc too big.
You're using the Star Wars name, the worm.
The spice worm.
Sandworm, spice worm, whatever it is.
So there's these worms, these giant worms, it's sort of like tremors, right?
But the sandworms are like the size of a skyscraper.
They're so big, you can barely see the person riding it.
So this guy figures out a way to ride and tame these sandworms and to use them as weapons of war, sort of like the elephants with Alexander the Great riding the elephants.
Oh, Lord of the Rings!
Or Lord of the Rings, exactly.
So they're riding these beasts, but they're so unbelievably big, you can barely see the guys on the top of them, and there's just no proportion.
That, to me, doesn't really work correctly.
If you move on to say, like, I feel like the beasts in Star Wars are the right size for the humans to deal with them.
For this, it just got a little too big.
But I feel like, OK, if they had taken a little bit more time to deal with how this guy figures out how to maybe tame these sandworms instead of just, well, he climbs on top of them and it works somehow.
And then you know they kind of they skip over a lot of things that you you might want and I feel like if you read it in the novel that there would be a lot more there and it would be a lot more fulfilling I think a lot more satisfying the novel would be.
Yeah your point is well taken because he's got his little ropes he's got his little kind of you know axe shovel thing and then suddenly he's controlling something that's the size of a skyscraper it's a you know it's hard to make that believable when you've got you know What, 120 minutes?
And like you said, they cut it down from four hours, so presumably a lot of the stuff that I'm saying we're missing was probably in the original cut, you know?
A lot of stuff.
Other influences that he admitted is Arthur, so he was kind of leveraging Arthurian legend.
If you look at the later books also, With Paul becoming like a god and then people transforming into spice worms.
It gets a little bit funky.
And here, of course, with all these amazing... This footage from... Well, that's a model, but the actual footage of the actors on the sand dunes in Mexico.
Stunning!
I mean, you know, they had to stop filming at 1 p.m.
They started at 5 a.m.
and stopped at 1 because of the heat.
They're running around in these rubber suits, and they just had people just fainting the whole time.
We'll talk about the battle scene in a moment, but give them credit for the vastness, which, of course, echoes what?
Another theme I think undeniable is, of course, T.E. Lawrence.
So Lawrence of Arabia.
This is Lawrence of Arabia as a science fiction movie.
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All right, last few things we should note about the original Dune.
Of course, it flopped wickedly badly.
It cost 40 million to make.
It made less than 30 million.
I'm not sure exactly why, because I think if you're into science fiction, you could enjoy this movie.
Then, much, much later, we get the TV series in 2000 and 2003 on the SyFy channel.
The second season, I think it's Children of Dune, It's much better.
It had an amazing cast.
It had William Hurt as a treatise in it.
And then we had 2021, the remake, which, of course, you fell asleep through, right, Chris?
Yeah, I did.
I genuinely fell asleep.
Look, I tried to like that movie because the cinematography was beautiful.
And I really care about cinematography.
So I'm looking at that and I'm thinking, Okay, you got this great cinematography.
The cast was fine, actually.
The kid was a little bit too young-looking, in my view.
Like, in this earlier version of Dune, I actually think the cast was a lot better.
Although Paul, in the books, is 15 years old.
He's younger.
And a lot of people were annoyed that Colin Clacklin was 22.
Right, right, right.
And he looked like he knew what he was doing, as opposed to, you know, a kid that probably was a little bit more, would be a little bit more scared or wouldn't know what they were doing.
But I think it works a little bit better for the film, instead of having the kid be a little bit more hapless and not know what he's doing.
This gives him a kind of sense of, I don't know, you respect him.
You know, he commands a bit of respect.
He's got that little bit of age to him that allows him to, you could believe that he could Take an army of these, uh, you know, misfits hiding out in the sand dunes and, you know, create this army that that follows him.
You believe that he could command an army?
I don't think that the kid, I mean, we'll see in the second version, you know, the second part.
We'll see if he carries it off.
All right.
I've got to ask you, Sting.
As Fade, as Baron Harkonnen's nephew, I think this is the biggest stinking pile in the movie.
He couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag, but you're the actor.
Tell us your take on Sting's winged jockstrap and his, I will kill him, repeated three times during the duel at the end.
Well okay yeah the first time I saw him in this film and his sort of maniacal smile he's got this weird wide-eyed he's trying to be crazy I think it's a little bit overacting uh okay a lot overacting fine but yeah I thought wow this is sort of like Kind of like an adult Peter Pan, like a Peter Pan grew up.
He kind of looks like this, maybe.
But not in necessarily a good way.
Yeah, I wasn't thrilled with this performance.
But the thing that really bugged me was that you only got a couple of shots of him early on in the film.
I don't know, he must have had more to do in the four-hour version.
But in this two-hour version he does nothing pretty much the whole movie and then he's like the final fight at the end of the film like he just comes out of nowhere it's like this is the guy you've got a fight to win the planet or something and I it doesn't make any sense to me I mean it would probably make sense if I read the book But not having read the book, I'm like, completely lost here.
Alright, I think we have come to at least one solid conclusion that Chris Coles will be reading the book after we finish our review today.
Yeah, maybe I will, yeah.
One more thing that I highly recommend, if you're a sci-fi geek like I am, Before Lynch, before Dino De Laurentiis, a rather iconoclastic Chilean-French director called Alejandro Jodorowsky was hired to make Dune and he actually was in negotiations with Orson Welles to play the Baron and if you're not familiar with it I think we've got the poster
There is a documentary that you should watch.
I think you have to pay for it.
But Jodorowsky's Dune, we've got another image, is incredible.
Because H.R.
Giger, the designer of the alien for aliens, was the key designer for this.
And his movie could have been something else.
Maybe it still will be.
Maybe he's influencing what Danny Villeneuve is doing.
But check out that potential Dune movie.
All right, last words on this on Dune before I give you the permission to pick our next movie, Chris.
Well, look, I think that you kind of hit the nail on the head when you were talking about how... I think the thing that people really should take home from this film is that It was kind of like the first sci-fi that was not about the science fiction.
Yeah.
It was just the human condition set within the science fiction world.
Right.
And I think that really comes across here.
You really kind of care about the hero.
You care about his family.
He's got... And that's another thing they took from Star Wars, obviously.
They took the kind of like the structure of family.
Family was very important in Star Wars.
It's very important in this film.
It's like Shakespeare in space.
What do you think?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, for sure.
Because, you know, it's a monarchy.
You've got these different royal families and stuff like that.
And of course in Star Wars you have the princess and then Luke is obviously Darth Vader's son.
I don't think that was true in the original Star Wars.
I think that was added on in Empire.
But yeah, I do think that these elements were always supposed to be there, right?
He was supposed to be somebody's son, and I think Anakin was always supposed to be somebody's son as well.
I don't know why they took that out for the prequels, but it is what it is.
But yeah, but this is like, when this was in novel form, I think that Dune was really the first sci-fi Epic, to really be more about humanity than about the science fiction itself.
I mean, if you go back far enough with like H.G.
Wells and stuff, you'll get a little bit of that as well, for sure.
But people really were focused on the science fiction... The Two Moons!
The Two Moons of Tatooine!
I've watched this like, I don't know, 20 times, and I didn't even think of the Two Moons.
Yeah, that's because it's an iconic shot of Luke looking at the smoldering You know, and then there's the two moons up there and everything.
So yeah, yeah, they stole a lot for Star Wars.
So if you want to know kind of where Star Wars comes from, I would recommend watching the film.
Yeah.
And there's a reason people are still buying this book in their millions.
So it's been around for 60 years.
So check out the book.
And if you didn't like the movie, and also if you're a sci-fi geek like me, check out Alejandro Jodarkovsky's, the documentary of the Dune, the OG Dune movie that was never made.
Okay.
I'm trembling a little bit.
Chris Coles.
What are we going to review next?
Oh, you're probably not going to like it, but it is in the same year.
Well, we did say, what, 84 was an amazing year.
It was completely crazy.
I even forgot to mention Dune in that year.
I didn't even have that on my list.
But yeah, it just it seems to never end.
It's the never-ending well of amazing films.
But I think we're going to have to go to something that is somewhat relevant today, because they made a TV show out of it.
And it's quite popular.
Well, then it's not going to be Romancing the Stone.
I was hoping it was going to be Romancing the Stone.
No TV show there.
What is it going to be, Chris?
No, Romancing the Stone is a good one.
I do like that.
The Karate Kid.
OK.
No, absolutely.
It's a classic.
Got to ask you, are you a fan of Cobra Kai?
Do you like the TV show?
I liked season one.
After that, I kind of I haven't watched it in a little while, so I can't tell you about the more recent season.
But I did like season one.
I thought season one was quite good.
Alright, we will be getting our car wax out.
We'll be waxing on, waxing off next week.
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