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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Has Communism arrived in America?

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	Breaking news.
	They have arrested the leaker of the Ukrainian war classified documents.
	He is an Air National Guardsman from the state.
	There we have the footage of him being arrested from the state of Massachusetts.
	We also have his name, Jack.
	How do you pronounce this, Jeff?
	You say you know how to pronounce a name with an X in it.
	I'm guessing Teixeira, because it's spelled the same way as a baseball player.
	It's written T-E-I-X-E-I-R-A, Jack Teixeira, Massachusetts Air National Guardsman in his early 20s.
	According to latest reports, he was on a chat room for people who are into computer games, and he released hundreds, hundreds of classified documents to members on that gamer chat room.
	And some of them, according to just the latest reports, were foreign nationals as well.
	We will be analyzing what all of this means with former counterintelligence officer Chris Farrell in the second hour, the head of Investigations and research for that amazing organization Judicial Watch so you don't want to miss a second of the show right now.
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	I cannot wait to have Chris in studio to ask him what all of this means.
	But first, let's talk about other news of the day.
	The man who's the current incumbent of the White House was Visiting in Ireland.
	First thing he said, a kind of funny misstatement.
	I'm getting DMs about it the whole time.
	He doesn't know the difference between the all-black rugby team and the black and tan police officers.
	And, well, it's just embarrassing.
	Allegedly he's the President of the United States.
	Cut to.
	You see this tie I have with the shamrock on it?
	This was given to me by one of these guys.
	Right here, was a hell of a rugby player.
	Beat the hell out of the black and tans.
	Beat the hell out of the black and tans?
	You mean the Royal Irish Constabulary?
	Why was your relative beating up police officers?
	Unless you mean, of course, the Antipodean all-black rugby team.
	One of the best, if not the best, in the world.
	But that's nothing.
	That's nothing.
	This next cut I'll give a prize to anybody who can actually tell me what on earth this man is actually saying.
	He's on a trip.
	He's talking to the assembled Irish politicians.
	Another made-up fabulous story about his childhood.
	But I don't even know what he's trying to say.
	Of course the hosts are being very very polite but it's shocking and it's just empirical medical proof that this man's cognitive abilities are shot.
	They're gone.
	He doesn't have cognitive abilities.
	The current incumbent of the White House in Ireland talking about I know not what.
	Cut for.
	I was campaigning for president and I was out in Colorado and I was with a man who's family had been, he was a former senator, a man whose family had been in the United States since the conquistadors, for generations.
	And he kept, and there were a whole lot of people standing across the refurbished rail station in western, excuse me, in eastern Colorado.
	And there was literally 10,000 people on the other side of the track waiting to hear me speak.
	And he kept saying, now Joe, remember, Remember, these people are not – these are my people.
	They're Hispanic.
	They're not used to being taken – you've got to show respect in Syria.
	I said, I understand.
	And he kept it up.
	Finally, I turned him.
	It's the God's truth.
	This refurbished train station, okay?
	It had, like, linen kind of wallpaper on it.
	And about every 20 feet, there was a brass plaque that's saying, no Irish allowed.
	I said, I get it.
	I get it.
	Help me out, Jeff.
	What was that about?
	I have no idea.
	I thought it was funny because it made zero sense.
	But you know how you know it was a lie?
	Did you catch the part where he said I was running for president and 10,000 people were waiting to hear me speak?
	He didn't speak to more than 1,000 people that entire campaign.
	It was usually 10 people he was talking to.
	But not only that, he was running for president And there was a railway station in Colorado with plaques every 10 feet on the linen wallpaper that said, No Irish.
	Yes, he did remember the wallpaper.
	That was nice.
	But hang on a second.
	So in 2019, there's a railway station in America that has multiple plaques on the wall that says, No Irish.
	Oh, you see that all the time.
	Yeah, that's only in eastern Colorado, though.
	Oh my, Eric, help me out here!
	I can't even begin to tell you.
	I mean, maybe if he was visiting a historic train station built in the 1800s in New York and the plaques were still up from back then, like Civil War era?
	Maybe?
	I don't know, but even then, what was the whole point of mentioning the conquistadors?
	What role did that play in the story?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Don't steal my thunder.
	I was going to ask Alex, because I know Alex is an excellent expert on conquistadors.
	Alex, he says the conquistadors that were in the United States.
	Can you identify a problem with saying the conquistadors in the United States?
	Last time I checked, the conquistadors were in northern Spain.
	Yeah, they came from there.
	And when they came to this part of the world, they hung out in Peru and Mexico.
	Not exactly the United States.
	Let me just summarize for you what we just heard and then I want you, dear listeners, to find a Democrat who voted for this person Play them this clip, all right?
	We're going to post this segment, okay?
	You can play them this clip on your phone and ask them about this story from Colorado where a former senator said that his American ancestors were conquistadors in the United States.
	He was giving a speech to 10,000 people in a railway station with a linen wallpaper that had signs saying, Irish not allowed.
	This is not a deep fake.
	It's real.
	We didn't make it.
	Play it again, Sam.
	I was campaigning for president and I was out in Colorado.
	And I was with a man whose family had been, he was a former senator, a man whose family had been in the United States since the conquistadors, for generations.
	And he kept, and there were a whole lot of people standing across the refurbished rail station in western, excuse me, in eastern Colorado.
	And there was literally 10,000 people on the other side of the track waiting to hear me speak.
	And he kept saying, now Joe, remember, Remember, these people are not – these are my people.
	They're Hispanic.
	They're not used to being taken – you've got to show respect in Syria.
	I said, I understand, and kept it up.
	Finally, I turned, and it's the God's truth.
	This refurbished train station, okay?
	It had, like, linen kind of wallpaper on it.
	And about every 20 feet, there was a brass plaque that said, no Irish allowed.
	I said, I get it.
	I get it.
	Mayor Kalpa, my apologies.
	It wasn't every 10 feet, it was every 20 feet.
	I missed it.
	Great, great detail there.
	Recently refurbished railway station.
	So refurbished that they kept the racist plaques out.
	It's got dementia, guys.
	Call in if you're a Democrat and tell me why it's okay to vote for a man who is senile and has DEMENTIA!
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	All right, breaking news.
	Don't have further substantiation of the details, but Oh man, people have reacted well to this on my Twitter feed.
	Breaking!
	The reports are that the GOP is getting ready for Mitch McConnell not to return to Congress.
	Jeff, how long has he been out?
	What's it been, Eric?
	Like three, four weeks?
	It's been a while, yeah.
	It feels like it's probably been longer than that, but yeah, it never really occurred to me until just now.
	Yeah, it's been a while and apparently he's not coming back.
	A lot of people are super excited.
	Maybe you can get somebody who's not a rhino to lead the Republicans in the Senate.
	Okay, we'll keep you updated on...
	The rest of the leaker want you to sound off on.
	Explain to me, especially if you're a Democrat.
	Well, what do you heard Biden say in Ireland?
	Because I don't know what he was yammering about.
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	But it's time for our first guest of the day.
	Delighted to have her in studio.
	Carrie Sheffield, author, investigative journalist.
	We wanted to get you in last week when we had this amazing news.
	from the U.S.
	District Judge Matthew Kaczmarek, which suspended FDA approval for the abortion drug mifepristone, which apparently is used for up to 50% of abortions in America.
	Now, the fifth U.S.
	Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans has put a brake on that judge's decision, kind of half rescinding it, saying it cannot be mailed out and can only be used until the seventh week of pregnancy.
	Tell us about this story.
	Who's winning?
	The good guys?
	The bad guys?
	What do we need to know?
	Yes, I'm so glad we're talking about it because overall you're right.
	This ruling, the second ruling, is a half win.
	The first ruling was an outright absolute win for the pro-life.
	But we need to go even back further in history to when this drug was first approved.
	It was approved in 2000 under the Bill Clinton administration, but it was approved under the most sketchy of circumstances.
	And this is a pill that induces abortion.
	It does.
	It's usually taken in a two-part track, but alone it is often used for ulcer treatments.
	So it basically starves the child by destroying the material around the uterus.
	It's starvation of a child is what it is.
	It's truly... So it's like chemically inducing a miscarriage through the starving of the embryo.
	Because it lines the uterus with basically poisons that make it inhospitable for the child to eat.
	And then the child is, you know, eventually they've expelled the child.
	So big success last week.
	Yes.
	Now the fifth circuit.
	So what happens now?
	So what happens now is it's going to be appealed to the Supreme Court.
	So the Biden administration, they really said the half win for pro-life.
	So what the this the overall the drug can still be sold.
	What we won was that it cannot be put in the mail.
	And what's really dangerous about that is you don't have a doctor with you.
	So what you have is these young girls dying next to toilets on the bathroom floor because there's no doctor supervising the admission of this drug.
	So I'm curious.
	It's a drug.
	Yes.
	The FDA approved.
	Yes.
	So a doctor has to prescribe it, right?
	Well, that's... I mean... How are young girls, how are women accessing it that it would have to be sent through the mail?
	What's going on here?
	Well, essentially it's that you, this was a change that was under the Biden administration.
	So in years, and that was in 2021.
	So for the first 21 years of, of the drug, you had to actually be with the doctor while you were administering this drug.
	And what that means in practice is, you know, when you, when you go for a treatment or whatnot, you go and get a COVID vaccine or whatever, they make you wait.
	The doctor administers the drug.
	Exactly.
	And they, and they watch how you're going to respond.
	They watch, And the other big win for conservatives by the second ruling was that the appeals court stopped the length of the abortive time.
	So Biden extended it to 10 weeks, where you could kill your baby up to 10 weeks.
	With this drug?
	Yes.
	And what the second ruling said was, you can only do it up to seven weeks.
	But the problem is, if you're doing abortion by mail, You're not actually going in to prove that your child is a certain gestational age.
	You could be taking it at 20 weeks.
	You could, yeah, and there's no proof.
	And so that is part of why it's so toxic, because you could be putting yourself in a lot more danger if you're lying, or even if you don't know.
	Maybe your baby's extra small, or whatever.
	You don't know, you don't know the length of... The doctor's not there, and you're popping this poison that's going to kill your child.
	Exactly, yep.
	And so it's without supervision.
	And the thinking from the left is that they want to just basically pop these pills, you know, as much as they can because they see that these abortion surgical centers are being shut down.
	And so this is their response.
	What I think is also particularly nefarious about this drug is that the results are far more dangerous than the surgery.
	So you're four times more likely to have some sort of adverse effect compared to a surgical abortion.
	It's more dangerous than a surgical intervention to kill a child?
	Exactly, yes.
	Why?
	Because it's toxic?
	Multiple studies have shown this.
	In fact, often it is because there is no supervision So no professional, medical professional is seeing the results.
	Exactly, yeah.
	On the mother, on the child.
	Yep, that's a big part of it.
	So what's your expectation now?
	If you look at Roe v. Wade, I think at the last 10-15 years, especially amongst the youth and their pro-life stance, is this, do you have, what's your sense?
	Is this going to be a win on the long term?
	Is this going to go to the Supreme Court?
	What's your expectation?
	Well, that's what, so Biden is, his administration is appealing it to Supreme Court, and now that it's gone through the circuit court, the appeals court, that's the next step.
	It's going to go there.
	Yeah.
	So, if I had to guess, please don't kick me out if I guess wrong, if I had to guess, I would say, again, because of the, this is really a procedural failure by the Clinton administration.
	So what I anticipate might happen is that the Supreme Court could very well say, FDA were rejecting what happened because it's the creep of the administrative state.
	Because what they did was in order to get this drug approved, they diagnosed pregnancy as an illness in the same way that, I kid you not doctor, it is considered the same type of illness as HIV AIDS is being pregnant.
	When it was originally approved under the Clintons.
	Right, look, that's all you need to know.
	That's what the left believes.
	If you are actually doing the most beautiful thing in the world, which is bringing a new life into the world as a mother, you're actually sick.
	It's like having AIDS.
	That has to be struck down.
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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	What you just heard me ask the secretary about was something that you called on the Biden administration to do, which is just to simply ignore the court ruling.
	That's a pretty stunning position, if you think about it in the in the abstract, about the notion of just ignoring a judge's position.
	So my question is, when this case is resolved by the Supreme Court, should the administration follow that decision if that decision ends up Banning this abortion drug?
	Well, you know, I want to take a step back and dig into the grounds around ignoring this preliminary ruling as well.
	There is an extraordinary amount of precedent for this.
	There is a term known as agency non-acquiescence.
	And this has been used for folks saying this is a first, that this is a precedent setting.
	It is not.
	The Trump administration also did this very thing, but also it has happened before.
	Thank you.
	That's a pretty stunning position, if you think about it in the in the abstract, about the notion of just ignoring a judge's position.
	So my question is, when this case is resolved by the Supreme Court, Should the administration follow that decision if that decision ends up banning this abortion drug?
	Well, you know, I want to take a step back and dig into the grounds around ignoring this preliminary ruling as well.
	There is an extraordinary amount of precedent for this.
	There is a term known as agency non-acquiescence.
	And this has been used for folks saying this is a first, that this is a precedent setting.
	It is not.
	The Trump administration also did this very thing, but also it has happened before.
	Be careful what you wish for, AOC.
	If you get to ignore court orders, I guess we do too.
	Oh dear, dear, dear.
	Dangerous precedent you are setting, dear friends.
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	Amazing piece in the New York Post that I think answers the questions I have On, is it socialism?
	Is it communism that's the threat in America?
	Because we haven't had a violent revolution.
	This isn't, you know, St.
	Petersburg in 1917 or China under Mao or Cuba.
	Your piece answers that question.
	So what are we witnessing right now, Carrie?
	I call it a softer revolution.
	So it's having the same outcomes as those events that you mentioned, but we're doing it to our own selves.
	Right, so nobody's storming Congress, nobody's storming the White House.
	This isn't the Winter Palace in St.
	Petersburg, but the same things are happening.
	How are they happening?
	Yeah, so I started the piece out with a quote by Lenin.
	And what he said was, "Morality is entirely subordinate to the interest of class war.
	Everything is moral that is necessary for the annihilation of the old exploiting social order and for the uniting the proletariat." Meaning something's good if it supports our access to power.
	Correct.
	And everything, he called it the old order, that was the traditional values which his revolution sought to completely annihilate.
	And in America, I looked at this new data which maybe some of your viewers and listeners had seen, New polling from the Wall Street Journal with the University of Chicago showing, and they've tracked this for a quarter century now, rock-bottom lowest views on patriotism, on faith, on family.
	You know, people under 30, the lowest level, they say that it's important to have children that they've ever recorded.
	And it's something like a 30-point drop in a couple of years?
	It's stunning.
	It really is.
	So there was a big drop since 2019, which I think is no coincidence with COVID and everything.
	But even from 1998, there's been a marked drop in a lot of these same values as well.
	So I make the argument that essentially we're having our own Soviet-style revolution, but it's softer.
	And because the outcome is the same, the old traditional values are being eroded, and the outcome is the same outcome that we saw on the streets of the Soviet empire, which is, you know, we're seeing it on, in the liberal areas, Black Lives Matter riots, Billions of dollars of property being destroyed.
	Those are sort of in some ways micro revolutions.
	You know, dozens of people being murdered in the wake of these riots.
	You know, so it's happening and it's happening in a very pernicious way.
	I think also too when Lenin talks about the proletariat, we're substituting that here in America.
	It's all about, you know, Who is the oppressor and oppressive class?
	In his day, it was the bourgeoisie and the pluralitarian.
	Over here, it's gender and it's racial suppression.
	White heterosexuals are the problem.
	That's the problem.
	And men.
	We've got 30 seconds left.
	Is there an answer?
	What recommendations do you have in the article?
	What is the response?
	Well, I think naming it, I think a lot of parents are standing up and recognizing exactly what's happening in the schools, because that's where it's really happening in the K through 12.
	Because before this was percolating more at the university level, more ivory tower, now it's getting to the streets.
	And so running for school board, calling out these bullies, calling out the CRT, because critical theory we know started in Frankfurt, Germany, with the Frankfurt School, with the intention of destroying Western civilization as we know it.
	It's really, I think I say it almost every day here, at least every couple of days, if you want to save America, get engaged politically.
	Being the president or senator or congressman is cool, but the most important thing is the local schools and the school board.
	Get engaged.
	Let's take back America one local election at a time.
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	We're used to the left having control of the culture, the schools, the high schools, the colleges, the media, Hollywood, but now they're coming after the private sector and even your retirement.
	Let's find out how bad the situation is from the Executive Director of Heritage Action, Jessica Anderson.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks for having me.
	Great to be here today.
	Now, for those who aren't familiar with the terminology and how left-wing ideology is penetrating into the private sector, will you explain what ESG is and how it's being used by massive investment companies like BlackRock and also Vanguard?
	Absolutely.
	So a lot of people, as you say, they actually don't even know what ESG is or how it's ruining their pensions, their investments, and even our daily life.
	So ESG stands for Environmental Social Governance.
	And this is a political tool.
	It's a form of metrics that are designed by progressives on the left to infiltrate Exactly, exactly like that.
	It's an infiltration into our American businesses to then advance their leftist ideology.
	And the way that they do this is they require these NASDAQ listed companies to appoint board members that are based on race and sex.
	They may have quotas for how many LGBTQ employees are part of that business.
	They may require greenhouse gas emissions to be reported.
	So all of these different metrics, they fall under these different letters: the environmental, the social, the governance.
	So when you hear the term ESG, really what you need to know is that this is a political tool that is radically transforming how our corporations are run, how they are staffed, and they're turning them into these social justice warriors for the progressive left.
	So how does fossil fuels, or whether a woman is on the board, What has that got to do with a company that is running my retirement fund, if it's a state one or a private one?
	I mean, don't these companies have a fiduciary responsibility to the people whose money they're investing?
	How are they getting away with this, Jessica?
	Well, that's exactly right.
	And they're starting to not get away with it.
	You know, they started this a few years ago under these auspices of just social justice.
	And those of us on the right that have been tracking this for a long time, we're actually realizing that it's taking companies and corporations away from what their purpose is.
	And you hit it right over the head because they're no longer focused on They're not producing a product or providing oil and gas in the United States.
	Instead, they're catering to this incredibly left-wing agenda.
	And as a result, the market is suffering, but we as Americans are suffering because everywhere I go, there's an agenda from the left, right?
	You can't walk into a store without some sort of progressive social agenda slamming back into your face.
	And this is an infiltration.
	It's not even covert anymore.
	They've acknowledged that they're trying to take over our American business, and I think that they are doing this.
	I think that they are doing this because it allows American business to be weakened, which then gives our foreign adversaries a foothold to come in and outbid us and outprice us and then start taking away American business and jobs.
	And so when you think about ESG, when you think about why firms like BlackRock are on board with this, it's because they're in bed with enemies like China.
	All right, give us some bad news or maybe some good news.
	There is a resistance happening on a state-by-state level.
	However, companies like BlackRock and Vanguard, they're handling trillions of dollars worth of our money.
	They've got money to pay lobbyists.
	So who's winning and how much is this going to be won on a state-by-state level, Jessica?
	Well, the fight right now is definitely in the states because states are fighting back and they're specifically calling out BlackRap and saying that you can't play politics with our pensions.
	And so the states to follow along with, Kentucky just enacted a great bill this last week, the first in the nation, which actually put in fiduciary duty legislation to protect those workers, protect those families.
	It's not just Kentucky, though.
	Florida.
	You're meaning they're putting in fiduciary defenses for those companies that already have a fiduciary responsibility.
	I mean, it's absurd!
	They're retweaking how the business works so that they don't get overtaken by these progressive ESG quote-unquote metrics.
	And instead, bring them back to what their main point is, which is crazy.
	I mean, the fact that we even have to do this just shows how much the sand is just shifting in this country of where the fight goes and how the left will stop at nothing to overturn our American republic.
	And businesses and families obviously are in the chopping point.
	I mean, ESG is just like CRT in schools or DEI for employees that they have to take to get a job.
	I mean, these are all the same.
	They're different words, but it's all the same meaning of what this goal is.
	And so states are right to fight back, and we're really encouraged.
	And, you know, I think if you're in any of these states, Florida, West Virginia, Louisiana, call your state lawmakers, thank them, ask them, you know, ask your state auditor and your state treasurer, are they going to divest from ESG funding?
	I mean, that's the next frontier here.
	So there's a lot going on.
	It's just another deadly left-wing acronym like CRT.
	Find out more, follow Jessica Anderson, Executive Director of Heritage Action, at JessAnderson2 on Twitter.
	And an organization that has been doing more than most to reveal what is happening with these retirement funds is, of course, Consumers Research.
	They have the threat assessment.
	Find out if you're one of the ones who is in danger because they're playing politics with your retirement.
	That's ConsumersResearch.org, ConsumersResearch.org.
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	Um, What is ESG and why should you care?
	And for a carry?
	Something about how she mentioned that the drug is even more harmful than abortion itself.
	food.
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	I thought that was pretty... The abortion drug more dangerous Than a surgical abortion.
	Is that two times abortion?
	The abortion drug more dangerous than abortion itself, maybe?
	Yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And just do the first half.
	Just the first?
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then Anderson to Rumble or Vimeo?
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	This pathetic leaker in his gym shorts and a t-shirt was arrested, I'm watching the footage now, by a SWAT unit with an armored vehicle in full battle rattle with helmets, Kevlar helmets and AR-15s.
	It's weird how they never did that with BLM or Antifa.
	One 20-year-old punk in the National Guard and they roll out the SWAT team.
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	First off, the fact that you saw that article from Carrie Sheffield from the New York Post, and then what Jessica's fighting about in our investments in our country.
	You know, the Democrats period, and this is what we've got to use against Newsome, gruesome Newsome.
	You know, the Democrats continuously, this is that soft revolution that Kerry was talking about.
	Yeah.
	Exactly that.
	Removing the parents' rights, the consents of parents.
	And people need to wake up, and then our country, to stand up for her and fight for our liberties.
	We cannot ever give up like you talk about on your show on Sundays.
	Yeah, I think soft is a nice word.
	I think I'm going to go with stealth revolution, but Carrie nailed it.
	It's a stealth revolution.
	I like it.
	All right.
	God bless.
	Victor's back in Silver Spring.
	We've got a minute.
	Victor, what did you want to say?
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	A Biden White House stenographer going on national television to say he has the goods on Biden's corruption.
	And not just corruption, his criminality.
	Can it be?
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	And they've identified him!
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	Stand up guys, I'm proud of you.
	Is that the sister he confused for his wife during the campaign?
	Jeff, is that the sister he thought was his wife?
	Yes, I think so.
	And then he said, I'm proud of my sister, or my wife, and my son Hunter.
	Eric, I'm curious, what do you think the president is proud of when it comes to his son Hunter Biden?
	That he got away with it?
	Oh, dude, that wasn't even rehearsed.
	Give that man a cigar.
	Yeah, let's go through the things that... That was, by the way, Joe Biden in Ireland.
	He's proud of his son for what?
	Let's go through the... Guys, please track with me.
	I want everybody, all five of you, to track with me in case I miss... I could miss something.
	And John in Florida, my social media guru, I know you're listening.
	I know you never sleep.
	If I miss anything, I've got my phone in front of me, just text me right now because I'm going to go through an extensive list of the things that Joe Biden could be proud of when it comes to his son Hunter.
	So number one, Hunter Biden's first job was what?
	Does anybody know?
	Anyone?
	Anyone?
	I'll take that for $10, the question.
	He got... Oh!
	Jeff raised his hand!
	I was just being rhetorical.
	What was Hunter Biden's first job?
	Wasn't that the banking scam at the Maryland Bank in Delaware or Wilmington?
	Yes, it was the credit card company.
	Right after Senator Biden changed the law about credit cards, okay, protecting the credit card companies, giving them extra state protection.
	Oh, it's so weird.
	A credit card company in Delaware, one of the biggest credit card processing companies in America, Gave Hunter Biden the job!
	Number one, is he proud of the grift of the nepotism that got Hunter Biden his first job?
	Here we go.
	I'll take this for $20.
	Is it the fact that Hunter Biden, first day on the job in the Naval Reserve, was found to have been a drug user, was tested for drugs, and was kicked out of the military?
	Is it that that Joe is proud of?
	Or Is he proud of the fact that Hunter Biden rented a vehicle from Hertz that he crashed, didn't report to the police that he crashed the car, and when the state troopers found the Hertz rental vehicle, what did they find under the seat?
	Oh yeah!
	Beau Biden's former Attorney General badge and his crack pipe.
	Not Beau Biden's, I mean that would be... No, no, no, I mean Beau Biden was the nice one.
	No, no, Hunter Biden's crack pipe.
	In the car that he crashed.
	Why was Hunter Biden carrying his brother's law enforcement badge?
	Hmm, I wonder if we'll ever know.
	Or, or is it this?
	What am I on?
	Three?
	This is number four.
	Is Joe Biden proud of the fact that his son Hunter Biden had sex with and dated his dead son Beau Biden's widow?
	Did I get that right, Jeff?
	I don't want to get anything wrong here.
	He had sex with and dated Bo Biden's widow, right?
	That was before the stripper.
	Oh my gosh.
	Sorry, the stripper.
	Hang on.
	Oh my God.
	Hang on.
	That's number four.
	Number four.
	Number five.
	Hunter Biden in a gentleman's establishment not far from our studio that has Scantily clad women.
	Let's just say that they sometimes forget their clothes at home.
	I don't know what happens, but they forget their clothes at home, allegedly.
	I've never been there.
	And, um, they are ladies of...
	How does he put it in his books, the late, great Terry Pratchett?
	Ladies of negotiable affection.
	I'll just leave it.
	Ladies of negotiable affection.
	And Hunter Biden, in these establishments, you're not supposed to touch the staff, apparently.
	But he touched her in a very special way.
	I guess they must have shared a towel or something.
	And this lady of negotiable affection who's meant to be a performer of some kind, I think it involves poles and twirling and something, she got pregnant with Hunter Biden's progeny.
	And Hunter Biden, well let's ask this question, is Joe Biden Proud of the fact that Hunter Biden got a stripper knocked up, to use the terminology?
	Or is he more proud of the fact that Hunter Biden denied, denied the paternity of that child and was forced, what's the name of the stripper?
	London something Jeff, do you remember?
	She had a funky performing name.
	I don't remember.
	Is he proud of the fact that Hunter Biden denied the paternity of that child and was forced by a judge to partake in a paternity test which proved that Hunter Biden was in fact the father of the Lady of Negotiable Affections' child?
	Who is weirdly not mentioned.
	On the Christmas tree in the White House, they had these little baubles, these little Christmas decorations for all the grandchildren of the Biden dynasty.
	And they left the stripper's child out.
	I wonder why that is.
	Or is he proud of...
	Oh, yes, the footage on Hunter Biden's laptops of him cavorting with Russian prostitutes and ingesting, inhaling a certain white powder that I don't think is baby formula.
	I mean, it couldn't be baby formula because we ran out of baby formula in America, right?
	So it's a white powder that is not baby formula off the Well, let's not get specific.
	Let's just say the body parts of these prostitutes that he videoed on his laptop.
	The laptop which, by the way, Hunter Biden's lawyers are demanding back from the computer repair shop owner.
	Which is weird because I thought 51 intelligence experts told us that it was a Russian information operation and they weren't Hunter Biden's laptops.
	If they're not Hunter Biden's laptops, why does Hunter Biden want them back?
	And why is it his signature on the document leaving the laptops, the water-damaged, water-damaged, that's weird, the water-damaged laptops at that repair shopper in Delaware?
	Or, oh what are we at?
	That was six.
	Hang on, we've got the stripper, we've got the sex with his wife's widow, we've got the laptop, the hookers.
	Let's go for seven.
	How about the recorded phone conversation on said laptops from hell?
	Where he, and I'm going to have to edit this for, uh, you know, uh, FCC, uh, requirements where he boasts of the following.
	I'm in business with the chief spy of China.
	Who's gone missing.
	Let me repeat that.
	I'm in business with the, beep, chief spy of China who's gone missing.
	Is he proud?
	Is Joe Biden proud of that, that his son's in business with the chief, beep, spy of communist China?
	A country that has, you know, labor camps, Lao Gai, has forced organ transplants of political prisoners and prisoners of conscience, that is now executing a persecution of the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang province.
	Is that what he's proud of?
	Oh my gosh, hang on, I keep coming up with things.
	Guys, I'm going to ask you in about 30 seconds if I've forgotten anything because this is getting rather long.
	Is he proud of the fact that Hunter Biden committed a crime when he bought a gun?
	and lied on the background check form that he doesn't have a drug problem and has never had a drug problem.
	That's a felony in America.
	That's why we have background checks.
	He lied and his then girlfriend, I don't know if it was the widow or somebody else, found the gun after he purchased it and dumped it in the dumpster behind Kroger's.
	Which part?
	Joe, is he proud of the lying on the federal background form?
	Or is he proud of the gun his son bought being dumped in a dumpster?
	That's not good.
	Alright guys, I've tried.
	I'm just doing that from memory.
	I had no script.
	I'm not reading from anything.
	Nine.
	Nine things that he could be proud of.
	John, Guy, Eric, Alex, Jeff.
	What have I left out that he could be proud of?
	I got three quick ones.
	We've got a million left, quickly!
	He's an amazing artist.
	Oh my gosh, the art, the art.
	$500,000 for finger painting, good.
	He's the only person I know that's ever said that he went and smoked parmesan cheese because he found it in the carpet and thought it was crack.
	The parmesan in the carpet, you're absolutely right.
	What's your third?
	And he was part of, him and his brother, their bank account was flagged more for suspicious activity than anybody else in the history of the show.
	Hundreds of suspicious activity reports for the Treasury because of their business dealings with China, Ukraine, and Russia.
	Oh, I forgot!
	The $3 million he got from the dead mayor of Moscow's widow.
	Oh my gosh.
	Eric, what did I forget?
	I was going to say the same thing.
	Half a million dollars for, as Don Jr.
	called them, finger paintings.
	All right, guys, anything else?
	John, Guy, Alex, what have I forgotten?
	John's shaking his head.
	Are we good?
	All right.
	Oh, and don't forget the $1.4 billion deal with the Communist Bank of China.
	Weird.
	Goldman Sachs never got a deal like that.
	And he doesn't have a banking background.
	1.4 billion!
	Come on, Joe.
	Which one are you most proud of?
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	Mike's on.
	Yeah.
	We probably, that was like 11 things.
	No, 12 things.
	We probably forgot dozens.
	The part that does not get enough attention.
	One of those would crush anybody else, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	The part that does not get enough talk is that he dated his dead brother's widow.
	Like, what?
	What a perv.
	That was fun.
	I let my hair down.
	Did that shock you guys?
	That was great.
	Alex, did that bother you?
	Did it bother me?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Good.
	Alright.
	I know you're a very straight-laced chap.
	I just didn't want to upset you.
	Want the mics off for Chris?
	Hey buddy!
	What a perfect day for you to be in the studio.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh. my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh. my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh. my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh.
	my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh.
	my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh.
	my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh.
	my gosh.
	Again, without confirming the validity of the documents, this is information that has no business in the public domain.
	It has no business, if you don't mind me saying, on the front pages of newspapers or on television.
	It is not intended for public consumption, and it should not be out there.
	Kabul Kirby saying, I cannot tell you if it's real, but please, please don't post it and let me bang my podium because I am so calm and collected, a disgrace to the uniform he just wore.
	We've got, what, almost 20 months left of this insanity.
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	All right.
	I don't think we rehearsed it, but we're always happy to see him, but it couldn't be better, given the breaking news at the top of the show, to have with us the head of investigations and research for that amazing organization, Judicial Watch, in studio, a former military intelligence professional, Chris Farrell.
	Thanks for coming in.
	Great to be with you, Seb.
	Thank you.
	All right, so initial reaction.
	We've got the breaking news at the top of the show.
	This individual who has been arrested with the full Swat teams with ballistic helmets.
	I mean Antifa never got this kind of treatment.
	He is a Massachusetts Air National Guardsman in his early 20s.
	Jack Teixeira is allegedly the leaker of hundreds, accordingly, now we know, hundreds of classified documents to his gamers discord chat room.
	What a bloody joke.
	I'm sorry.
	Take it away.
	Take it away.
	This is a controlled leak by the White House or elements within the White House.
	I'm not going to try to pin the tail on the donkey exactly, but it is a controlled leak of classified information.
	You don't have an Air National Guard junior airman, 21 years old, with direct access to CIA operations center summary memos.
	It just doesn't happen.
	Unless, unless it's just another indicator of how incompetent this administration is that they just don't control this material that he's walking into a skiff with a phone taking photographs of displacement maps you name it and then sharing it not once for months chris yeah yeah so just a few little distinctions that make this weird yeah
	The CIA Operations Center memo is really an in-house document that is not shared.
	For dissemination.
	Right.
	So that's really peculiar.
	Some of the other memos, people could get information without getting too wonky.
	So what people refer to as the high side, or a JRICS terminal, which controls the top secret information that's accessible.
	People can get access to stuff if they're working in an ops center.
	But that one CIA document really kind of throws it for a loop.
	Some of the other summary documents, conceivably somebody could get a hold of.
	But I think this is this guy.
	I mean, maybe it was fed to him.
	Maybe somebody gave it to him to, hey, check this out, kind of a thing, where he was set up in some way.
	I mean, I know a very famous journalist, who you know, I'm not going to say the person's name, who had very good reason to believe that a classified document was planted on their laptop.
	I'll stop there.
	- Remotely planted, so it could be exploited against him. - Right, so when you realize the full range of capacities of things that people could do, this is just very weird that an Air National Guardsman on temporary duty, you know, it just, it this is just very weird that an Air National Guardsman on temporary Let's leave that specific document out of the picture for a moment, 'cause there's lots of other stuff.
	Now, just...
	We had this discussion, I don't know, two years ago, three years ago in our old studio.
	All the other stuff that apparently, according to the people on his chat, We're reading, we're having shared with them for months this gamer group.
	Yeah.
	Doesn't this go back to this thing that you and I discussed years ago?
	Do we even do counterintelligence in America anymore?
	Counterintelligence is dead.
	It's gone.
	All the ways that this story stinks and is weird, they're innumerable, but the notion that this guy, first of all, that the Washington Post Found the teenage gamer kid.
	Stop it.
	He's under 18.
	He's under 18.
	They had to get his mom's permission to interview him.
	This is what Chris is talking about.
	The Washington Post has access to one of the kids on the gaming chat board.
	Beat the FBI to it.
	Beat the FBI and everybody else.
	Cut one.
	Play cut.
	O.G.
	was not hostile to the U.S.
	government.
	However, he had disagreed with several occasions such as Waco and Ruby Ridge and thought that the government is overreaching in several aspects.
	I want to keep O.G.' 's identity secret because I still care for him like he's a family member.
	He is not a Russian operative.
	He is not a Ukrainian operative.
	I'll go as far to say he's not even on the east side of the world.
	Any claims that he is a Russian operative or pro-Russian is categorically false.
	He is not interested in helping any foreign agencies with their attack on the U.S.
	or other countries.
	He was a young, charismatic man who loved nature, God, who loved shooting guns and racing cars.
	Shooting guns and racing cars.
	The reason why this video stinks.
	I can't help myself.
	I apologize for interrupting.
	No teenager speaks that way.
	No likes or ums or ahs.
	It is the most rehearsed, scripted thing.
	And a little Waco, Ruby Ridge dropped in.
	Guns.
	Racing, the Bible, God.
	He loves Donald Trump.
	I was waiting for the... And he's really uber mega.
	He's super mega.
	So, no ums, ahs, likes.
	It is the smoothest recitation of all of his qualities and characteristics without a single sort of... The other thing is, you don't see the person questioning that person, do you?
	Yes, no.
	You see a profile... Holding the cards up.
	A profile and a mouth moving, and then perfect, smooth... Delivery.
	And what 17-year-old describes a fellow 21-year-old as charismatic?
	It's like, this is the Washington Post.
	Finds this guy.
	The same Washington Post that for seven years has told us about Russia collusion.
	It's real.
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	Video production quality is there, right?
	It's seamless.
	And the fact that this is what I thought was just, like, totally stunk when I heard this morning.
	At his request, the 17-year-old said, don't distort my voice.
	What?
	Your face is pixelated, but what, I'm making a statement so that people can recognize my voice?
	And his mom says, oh yeah, I'm fine with that.
	Yeah, but you don't see the questioner, which is the other... This is supposedly a journalist conducting an interview, right?
	Right.
	I'm surprised they didn't blur the face but put a MAGA hat on him.
	Right, where's the MAGA hat?
	Right.
	Oh my gosh.
	Alright, what did I want to talk about?
	A second... Oh, Catholic.
	I want to talk about the FBI stuff.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	700 plus migrants crossed the border into El Paso, didn't they?
	Well, I mean, that's only a percentage, right?
	It's just the people that show up and say, hey.
	Come in with the B-roll of Justin Jones of 24, but leave my mic on so I can describe it.
	And B-roll full screen?
	Or you side-by-side with B-roll.
	Yeah, me side-by-side.
	It's so small, you should probably do it full-screen.
	Alright, do it full-screen, and just have my mic on, and then I'll do my pillow, and then I'll go to Chris.
	Come in with the B-roll, alright?
	After a liner.
	After a liner, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, okay.
	Eric, grab the top video engraving me a chance to let go in.
	That's enough to kill a couple hundred thousand people.
	Have you heard of this latest thing they're mixing it with?
	They're mixing it with this veterinary drug that makes the person, if they OD, immune to Narcan.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	So you can't save them.
	It's a drug that doesn't have the same response to Narcan.
	So they mix it with the fentanyl and then you're like, you're toast.
	God, it's just evil.
	I mean, this is the most evil thing they're doing.
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	Joe Biden.
	Well, Alejandro Mayorkas, really.
	He's a tool.
	He's just so evil.
	Let's get that lady back.
	Um, next week to talk EVs.
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	The, uh, the car?
	The one that did your car?
	Dog fixed.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Hi, this is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
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	He's been with me from the beginning.
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	Funny how we never saw that video before.
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	Chris, I didn't think you could get worse, a raid on a president's private residence, than a DA Bragg making fake felonies out of misdemeanors.
	And now we hear, we had Chris, we had Carl Serafin, FBI whistleblower on the show yesterday, not only does the Richmond FBI office have this memo targeting traditional Catholics as potential domestic threats because They believe in traditional values.
	Now we have this confirmation of not just the CI, but potentially, if you read the language, not just a covert asset, a confidential source, but an agent.
	Working undercover, a U.S.
	government employee being sent into a Catholic church to look for what, Chris?
	I mean, you know history.
	You've worked in counterintelligence.
	Has it ever been this bad?
	I mean, under J. Edgar Hoover and so forth?
	Yeah, I mean, interestingly, back in the day, in the J. Edgar Hoover days, the FBI relied upon Catholic agents because they were known to be fiercely anti-communist.
	What a long way we've come.
	Marines, right?
	Lots of Marines.
	A lot of Catholic Marines in the Bureau.
	That is correct.
	That is correct.
	And so we've come a very long way.
	And for whatever reason, the FBI decided that they wanted to run essentially a penetration operation against the Catholic Church and against obviously those people that are pro-life because they're very, very scary to the FBI.
	Not Antifa, not BLM, but the people who want to save children.
	Right.
	If you're against killing babies, then obviously you're a horrific person.
	And they've really overstepped their bounds and have gone way out of control.
	And in the course of doing that, they've looked at Traditional Catholics, in the sense that those, let's say, that prefer going to Mass with a Latin rite, or participate in more conservative Catholic movements, right?
	So the Catholic Church is a big sandbox, and there's all kinds of ways to sort of express yourself, but there's people that are more conservative, and if the more conservative people, you know, they're Their expression of their faith or their beliefs or what they support.
	The FBI doesn't like that.
	Well, you're now a target.
	So these peaceful people, by dint of being traditionalists, are deemed a threat.
	But Chris, you know the system from the inside.
	That doesn't happen with a GS-15 sitting in Richmond, right?
	That target acquisition decision, that has to be a political decision, correct?
	Like anything else in any big organization, whether it's the law enforcement or the military, it's always the leadership.
	They set the tone, right?
	They make personnel picks.
	They decide who's going into what office.
	They have sort of an agenda or a set of priorities, and they tell their staff what they want to accomplish.
	And then there's sort of these, there's a whole army of these sort of mind-numbed robots.
	The peons.
	Who will do whatever they're told.
	If they were told to come in here and put a bullet in our heads, they would do it.
	I'm not exaggerating, right?
	Because, well, they're a threat.
	And they're bad.
	If you're going to Roger Stone's house with helicopters, with fast boats, with ceramic-plated vests... It is craziness.
	It is over-the-top craziness.
	You said it first.
	Three years ago here.
	Get rid of the FBI.
	We've got 30 seconds left.
	Quick question.
	The missions.
	The CI counterintelligence, the criminal and the CT.
	We would just parcel those missions off to existing agencies?
	Or create something new?
	You could even carve out a separate entity.
	But the U.S.
	Marshals Service picks up the bulk.
	You like that.
	You create an investigative division within the Marshals Service.
	And then what about having CI counterintelligence back in military hands?
	Well, it already is, so maybe... On a civilian FBI type.
	So there was an effort to do that right after 9-11 with something called CIFA, the Counterintelligence Field Activity.
	So maybe you reinvigorate that with a little different formatting or lines of authority.
	There's a way to do it.
	Can we have you back for a longer discussion on how we do that?
	Of course.
	Happy to.
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	The Lego Group 35 and supports the LGBTQ community.
	The question is, why are you all in here with those pins on?
	Do you think children care about what man sucks at home and what girl eats vaginas at home?
	It's time to leave, man.
	Do you think they care about that?
	It's time to leave, man.
	I mean, do you think they care?
	I don't think they think about that, personally.
	They think about it when they see your feet.
	They think about it when they see your feet.
	They think about it when they see your feet.
	They think about it when they see your feet.
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	Brother, can you lend a hand?
	I do that all the time for a buddy of mine who I want to have a national speaking tour with, but it's been a little busy late in this nation and he's on vacation now, but he asked me to help him with something and I think he's made a little bit of news here.
	He's a pastor extraordinaire.
	His name is Amon Chukwu.
	Welcome back to America First my good buddy Pastor John Amon Chukwu Sr.
	and thank you for joining us on your vacation.
	I'm sorry I didn't know when I texted you about 50 minutes Hey, thank you so much, Dr. G, for having me on.
	You are a good friend.
	Let me tell you something.
	If someone has your back, if someone is in your corner, it's going to be Dr. G. Without you, This message wouldn't have gotten out.
	What is this message?
	Every couple of days he says to me, Hey, I want to collaborate with you on Instagram.
	Will you repost something of mine?
	Well, I did a couple of days ago and now it's had something like 30 million views.
	John was in a Lego store with his family wanting to buy a gift, I think, for a relative of yours and he saw the transgender pins on the staff in the Lego store and he filmed the interaction and the rest is history.
	Play cut.
	The Lego Group supports what?
	The Lego Group 25 and supports the LGBTQ community.
	Do you want?
	Yes.
	Well, the question is, why are you all in here with those pins on?
	Do you think children care about what man sucks at home and what girl eats vaginas at home?
	Do you think they care about that?
	It's time to leave, man.
	I mean, do you think they care?
	I don't think they think about that, personally.
	Right, so they think about it when they see you're peeing.
	No, they don't.
	It's time to leave.
	Yes, they do.
	It's disgusting.
	It's time to leave, guys.
	I'm going to call security.
	That's called grooming.
	All right.
	Did y'all mind leaving?
	Yeah.
	If you call security, tell security that you're in here wearing a pry flag on your shirt.
	Come on, guys.
	It's time to leave.
	You know what's amazing?
	Most children don't know.
	He's been educated by me.
	I think he's grooming.
	It's borderline pedophilia and child abuse for these weirdos to come in here and wear that, and at the same time, kids buy from the store.
	When does it stop?
	I'm sick and tired.
	Yeah, but I came in here to buy something.
	When does it stop?
	At some point, we need to stop pushing this mess on children.
	At this point, we're just going to have to ask you to leave.
	I'll leave!
	And I won't spend any money If you're in here right now and you care about value, this store is intentionally promoting LGBTQ behavior on children.
	Spend your money in a place that doesn't do that to kids.
	You're about to get trespassed.
	That's bad English, by the way.
	Pastor John, let's be clear.
	They have these big pins on their Lego aprons in a store that is selling toys to children.
	And it's not the gay pride flag.
	It's the LGBTQ transgender flag.
	The one that is targeting children, as you said, like groomers.
	Tell us the whole story, because you were just there to buy something, and then you saw this pin, and you said, why do you have a sexual pin on your uniform in the store, correct?
	That's correct.
	You know, I never had any plan or intention to go to LEGO on that day.
	We went to the mall to go to a different store with my entire family.
	And then afterwards, my oldest son needed to go to the restroom, so we went downstairs to take him to the restroom.
	And then my youngest son says, hey, Daddy, can you take me to LEGO?
	I'm like, sure, you know, he likes to build things.
	We went three weeks ago and purchased something and had no problem because I didn't see anyone with any gay pride flags on.
	But on this encounter, I found out and saw that four employees were wearing this big flag on their apron.
	And I know what that flag stands for.
	I know the perversion that the LGBTQIA plus community pushes upon children.
	And so I was filled with righteous indignation.
	I didn't plan on having that encounter.
	I didn't want to have that encounter, but I'm not a neutered man.
	I'm not a quiet man.
	I'm not a man that sits back and doesn't speak up.
	I am the militant kind of Christian.
	I don't go looking for trouble.
	I don't try to cause trouble, but if you cross the line, I will speak up.
	And today, we need more pastors.
	We need more Christian men in the culture.
	We have become so Frail and weak and timid and spineless, you know, we have to speak up.
	And so I took that as an attack on my children.
	And I said something about it.
	I was not afraid that they called security.
	Well, that's because you're not neutered.
	That's the problem.
	Too many men refuse to do what men are supposed to do, which is to protect the most vulnerable, which means the aged, the unborn, and our children.
	His Twitter account is RevWuTruth.
	That's R-E-V-W-U, RevWuTruth.
	Whether it's Dylan Mulvaney with Bud Light, or whether it is Lego with this pederastic pin they're wearing, what is your message to all Americans out there?
	What should we be doing right now when it comes to these corporations that are targeting sexually our children, Pastor John?
	We need to protest.
	We must draw the line in the sand.
	If we go into these stores and they have these pride flags up, we need to do an about-face reverse and find another store that does not have a flag up.
	We need to do this for the rest of this year, and especially in June.
	You know, it's Pride Month, and they're gearing up.
	Because of the White House administration, because of Joe Biden, they're now saying that they have the back of the transgender and the lesbian and the gay community.
	But who has the back of children?
	Yeah, the children, the children who are being targeted, not just ideologically, but in the Presbyterian Covenant church school, the private Christian school, were murdered by Audrey Hale, the transgender mass shooter.
	Whether it's Riley Gaines being attacked at San Francisco State University, God bless you.
	In the meantime, follow this man right now.
	It is Rev Woo Truth.
	It is almost 30 million views already.
	Go to my Twitter feed.
	You'll find it.
	I'll let you send me stuff again to collaborate on on Instagram.
	Get back to your family, Pastor John!
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	We should use the word grooming as much as possible.
	I grew up on Legos, man, ever since I was little.
	Who didn't?! !
	I still have some to this day back home.
	Oh, Geoff, when I ask a question, it doesn't apply to you, okay?
	Movies, fun, toys, childhood.
	If it's about childhood, you're like in this box.
	Legos were dumb.
	You lost all the pieces after the first day, so you step on them, they get broken, they're missing.
	Wasn't a big thing.
	Broken?
	You know how much it takes to break a Lego piece?
	It is impossible to break a Lego.
	He's buying fake Lego, that's why.
	Alright, we can't even do the stenography thing, can we?
	It's a long cut.
	Come in with it, and I'll fade it out and talk about it.
	Okay, cut 12, no liner.
	Fade out. 30 seconds. 30
	seconds.
	30 seconds.
	Joe Biden is in the front of the plane.
	My job as a White House stenographer was to be in the back of the plane in the press cabin.
	And if Joe or a senior administration official came back and did a briefing, then I would record it and make a transcript.
	Well, that's exactly what happened.
	That senior administration official was Jake Sullivan, who's now our national security advisor.
	So I didn't see anything wrong with it.
	At the time.
	Years go by.
	I've left the White House, I'm writing books, and I get a hold of the Hunter Biden laptop from Marco Polo.
	They're a non-profit, anti-corruption non-profit.
	About a year and a half ago, I started writing a sub-stack based on what I find.
	And then I go back over what I knew happened when I was working for Joe.
	I found the transcript that I wrote about that briefing.
	That's when Jake Sullivan starts talking about fracking.
	And because of what I'd read in a laptop and reported in my substack previously, I'm like, wait a minute.
	Joe Biden knew Hunter Biden was already on the board on April 18th.
	Joe Biden knew.
	He directed Sullivan to go back and talk to the press.
	This is a conspiracy.
	This is a crime.
	This is public corruption.
	That's what the FBI is supposed to investigate.
	So I wrote a substack about it in November.
	Nothing happened.
	I went to the FBI and filled out their witness tip line.
	There's a website.
	You fill out all these tips, these web directions.
	I submitted it.
	If you lie to the FBI when you're submitting a tip like that, you can go to jail.
	I'm not lying.
	I'm telling the truth.
	Joe Biden is lying.
	Joe Biden is a criminal.
	That's the bottom line.
	I don't care if he goes to Timbuktu or Iowa or anywhere.
	He's a criminal.
	And I've got the evidence.
	If they put me in front of the grand jury that's right now seated in Wilmington, With Special Prosecutor David Weiss, my testimony becomes the evidence that will put him in jail or will lead to his impeachment.
	Probably lead to his impeachment first.
	That's Mike McCormack, former White House stenographer for Obama and Biden on the Jesse Watters show, saying he's got the receipts.
	He was in the room.
	He was on Air Force Two.
	And it's not Biden's corruption.
	It's Biden committing crimes.
	When he traveled to get deals for his son.
	We're reaching out to Mr. McCormack.
	We're going to get him on the show.
	Maybe this is it.
	But are they just going to throw Biden under the bus?
	Then comes Kamala.
	They're still going to keep doing what they're doing against Christians, Catholics, January 6 protesters.
	We need to take back America.
	Get engaged politically.
	Little shout out, Catman in Northern Ireland just DM'd me on Twitter.
	Just to let you know Seb, big fan of yours and love listening to your radio show from Northern Ireland!
	We got listeners from everywhere!
	I'm sorry that, you know, Joe's south of the border, but what can I do?
	I didn't vote for him.
	Next up, Jan Jekielek, Epoch Times, one-on-one.
	You don't want to miss it.
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	It's not the individual, it's the state, yes?
	The elite is granted this magic power, the philosopher king power to mold society as they deem fit.
	That's why the hoary old saying is so true.
	Big government, small citizen.
	The more you cramp the individual and you remove from them the liberties we believe to be inherent and not government given, but God given, the more power you give to an elite.
	And unfortunately, in many cases, members of that elite aren't elected.
	And that's what we've seen in the last three or four years in America, this concept of the deep state or the permanent state.
	These bureaucrats who say, well, presidents come and go, but I've been working in government for 20 years and I know better.
	That way, and this is not an exaggeration, that way eventually lies the re-education camps and eventually the gulag.
	They say you shouldn't play clips of yourself on your own show, but that's not exactly what I just did, because that's not my own show I'm playing clips of.
	I'm doing credit to an amazing series.
	And why am I playing a clip of another series where I was the guest?
	Because we have the man responsible with it for a very special one-on-one, and he's in studio from the Epoch Times, Jan Jekielek.
	Welcome in studio.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	I actually asked my team this morning to get me a really good clip from my interview with Jan, and I forgot that there were at least two we've already done.
	That's not even the latest one.
	We did one more recently than that, just a few months ago, actually in D.C.
	But you're a busy, busy guy.
	So let's talk about the Thought Leader series.
	Let's talk about Epoch Times.
	But first, Who is Jan Jekielek?
	And I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly as a man whose last name is Polish.
	It's Górka originally.
	I hope I'm getting it right.
	Where do you hail from and how did you get to be where you are today, Jan?
	This is a great question.
	I'm a senior editor with the Epoch Times.
	I've been with the Epoch Times for 18 years, if you can imagine that.
	All the way from a very, very, very small operation, very much a labor of love, to one of the largest print media in the country.
	Millions of subscribers.
	It's a wonderful, wonderful thing to be in.
	I would say also that my job in the Thought Leaders series—this has been running for about four years now.
	We call it American Thought Leaders.
	The idea was to have someone, a Canadian like me—my parents came from communist Poland in the 70s.
	I know you know that.
	So they kind of informed some of my thinking about the world.
	I only fully started really to grasp it, maybe in the last 5-10 years, what they were really talking about.
	But this American Thought Leaders series, it's kind of a view of someone who isn't American, who can look a little bit from the outside and see what's going on here.
	And also like in the process, you know, I've been able to interview and talk to and get to know some really, really remarkable people.
	I mean, you know, so it's the best job in the world.
	I just I fell into it.
	And you shared with me last time we spoke the fact that your training, your background wasn't exactly in journalism.
	So you had quite a big career shift, haven't you Jan?
	No, absolutely.
	My background is actually biology, and my graduate degrees are in evolutionary biology, of all things.
	I had a rapid shift in my career—a forced shift, actually—because I ended up with something.
	Some of you who are familiar with Vaccine injury circles and so forth.
	I had a disease called Guillain-Barre syndrome.
	And actually, I'd never thought of anything that had anything to do with vaccines.
	Just when I started meeting people in that sphere, they said, Hey, did you take a vaccine?
	No.
	And I had basically a guy who had had chronic fatigue syndrome back in the day.
	He was trying to help me You know, figure out how to get healthy from this.
	It's a neurological disease.
	Your immune system goes crazy.
	Attacks your nervous system.
	I was losing control of my body.
	And in the process, I lost my career.
	As a scientist?
	As a scientist.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Back in the day.
	And I was trying to... I was still able to teach.
	You know, some people just die.
	You know, basically your body stops working completely.
	Mine was just kind of shut down somewhat.
	I was still able to teach kind of in a basic way.
	Or I tried to.
	I don't know how effective it was.
	But I couldn't do my lab work.
	I couldn't do many things.
	And this is how I kind of came into questions of China and thinking more deeply about totalitarian states and so forth.
	So this guy who had chronic fatigue syndrome, he recommended a Chinese meditation called Falun Gong to me.
	Never heard of it.
	I wasn't thinking much about China.
	But basically, I started doing these slow motion exercises.
	The idea is truth, compassion, forbearance.
	It's based in these things.
	And I wasn't thinking about that.
	I was just simply fixing my body, mimicking these movements, and I felt a little better.
	And two months later, I hadn't fully grasped what had happened, but basically two months later, I had an appointment with my neurologist and basically she looked at me and said, you are in complete remission.
	I got my reflexes back.
	My vision was fine.
	I hadn't fully grasped that I'd come back to a hundred percent, but I had.
	And so it was kind of a minor miracle.
	And you hadn't done anything extraordinary.
	You hadn't taken any experimental drugs.
	So you put it down to this meditation.
	There was no treatment.
	And of course, we know there's a placebo effect.
	If you really believe in something, it can help just believing.
	Let's say I was open-minded.
	I was open to new ideas at this point because there was nothing else for me in the conventional system.
	Yeah, but here's the thing.
	There was a postdoc at the university whose mother had just escaped from China.
	She had come and she was telling me through a translator about how she had been tortured for refusing to sign a piece of paper.
	There was this forum called the Three Withdrawals.
	A little bit of background, the Chinese Communist Party in 1999 turned against what they estimated to be 70 to 100 million people.
	One in 13 Chinese became an enemy of the state.
	People wonder why, and of course, we could talk about that.
	But the bottom line was, this woman's telling me, and it was hard to grasp for a moment.
	If you sign these three statements, if you agree that it's evil, that I renounce it, I forget what they are.
	Falun Gong.
	This quasi-religious movement was targeted by the Communist regime.
	Precisely.
	So this lady was told, you'll be fine if you reject and renounce.
	And I just remember thinking, that's exactly right.
	And I was looking I was thinking to myself, this is absolutely mad.
	They're torturing her, but if she signs a piece of paper, she can walk away.
	I always get shivers when I share this, because at that moment, all this memory of many things that I didn't understand that my mother and father tried to teach me as I was growing up— From communist Poland.
	Right.
	Originally from communist Poland.
	I grew up in Canada in the 80s.
	Canada in the US in the 80s, I would argue, is one of the freest societies probably in the history of the world.
	It's gotten less free since then.
	We had no idea about this.
	We had rules in our family.
	I know you had rules like this in your family because every family growing up in a communist society has this.
	We can't talk about anything in the family, outside the family.
	It was like treason.
	Of course, I was very rebellious.
	I was very kind of—almost anything my parents wanted to do, I wanted to do the opposite.
	But I knew deep down inside that it would be treason to the family if I were to speak outside.
	My parents were challenging to me, so I wanted to talk to people.
	So this story from this Falun Gong member kind of triggered the kind of understanding of the environment your parents had brought you up in.
	And then how does this connect with your next phase in your life in Epoch Times?
	Basically, all the stories, it all crystallized in my mind at that moment.
	I said, Oh, this is what this is.
	And I thought to myself, I need to try to help these people somehow.
	And what I figured out pretty quickly is, if I can at least tell their stories, which weren't being heard.
	Listen, this was a time, the Kissinger Doctrine was in effect.
	I remember Thomas Friedman in 2009, he's writing, America should adopt Chinese governance practices.
	Open to China economically, and they'll become a democracy.
	They're the new big market.
	We should work with them.
	All this insanity.
	100%.
	By 2009, I already knew that there's this murder for organs regime in China.
	I already knew that there's this murder for organs regime in China.
	You know, it's...
	Forced organ harvesting from political prisoners.
	Exactly, from prisoners of conscience, right?
	And nobody wanted to touch this.
	In 1999, back in the day, American media were just taking Chinese Communist Party talking points as if they were fact, as if it was reasonable.
	And that all changed when a certain man from Queen's decided to become the president and we turn things around very, very rapidly in the Trump administration.
	My gosh, we've only just scratched the surface.
	So exciting.
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	I don't know if you're being kind to your host, Jan, but I am glad you are acquiescing to my perfect British pronunciation of the word epoch when it comes to epoch times.
	I don't know why some of your colleagues say epic.
	Tell us about Epoch Times, because I think it's been around for a long time, but it has exploded.
	I would say maybe, along with President Trump getting serious on China, the last five or six years have been flourishing for your organization.
	Tell us a little bit about it.
	Absolutely.
	The reason I started working with The Epoch Times back in the day, as I was mentioning earlier, no media wanted to touch negative stories about China or the Chinese Communist They wanted to run big paid inserts from the Chinese government.
	That's what they're going to—FT and the Washington—they would take money to have those big insert payment ads, in fact.
	And there was a lot of that.
	And then there was a lot of not reporting on some of the really, really harsh realities that it wasn't hard to find.
	Meanwhile, Epoch Times.
	Epoch Times was founded in the year 2000 to expose the Chinese Communist Party and what it was doing.
	Yes, Falun Gong practitioners were among the founders, and it was exactly in this context.
	There wasn't really information that was credible.
	They started in Chinese language in Atlanta.
	These are Chinese Americans that started this.
	John Tong, our founder, he had been in the student movement in 1989.
	The Tiananmen Square Massacre was associated with that.
	But in 1999, he thought, hey, I'm in a free country.
	I can actually start a website and tell the truth, not just in America, but to China itself.
	And this little website exploded, of course, because people gravitate very naturally.
	I think people inherently want to know the truth.
	Sometimes you don't want to know the truth, but a lot of the time you do want to know the truth, especially when it's hidden from you.
	So it started there.
	In 2003, the English edition began.
	In 2005, my wife and I, we started working with them in a capacity.
	I had worked on the NGO side of the UN trying to help folks.
	I had worked on the NGO side of the UN trying to help folks, right?
	And I came up eventually-- - With regards to China, and human rights abuse. - With regards to China, exactly.
	And so I was in the human rights field.
	But we ended up deciding to do direct work, basically supporting Chinese refugees, some of which had incredible stories.
	They had walked out of China, through Vietnam, through the Golden Triangle, to Thailand, through this amazing underground railroad that had been formed.
	We started working with that, and they had incredible stories, and we wanted to tell their stories.
	Because what's more compelling than the true story of someone who suffered the unimaginable and lived to tell the tale, right?
	And maybe even still was whole in doing that, right?
	So Epoch Times...
	The Shiva and Fleets of the world.
	And Epoch Times was the opposite of every other media.
	They said, we were made for these stories.
	Give us all your stories.
	We want them.
	And we just started working with them that way.
	And it's just kind of blossomed over time.
	And so now, to your point earlier, you mentioned that the rise of Epoch, there's some correlation with President Trump I think we were a lot more similar to many other media out there around 2015.
	I still remember this kind of one distinct moment.
	So I think we were a lot more similar to many other media out there around 2015.
	I think so.
	Not in every way.
	Certainly not on China.
	That was a big differentiating factor.
	Right, exactly.
	But what happened was, after Trump announced, something really strange happened.
	It looked to me, and I've been watching Chinese Communist Party media for years, Suddenly, all these media are working in cahoots with each other and collusion or something.
	I didn't grasp what I was seeing.
	We talked with our fellow editors.
	We're like, yeah, are you seeing this?
	I'm seeing this.
	What is going on here?
	This is so bizarre.
	We didn't really analyze it that much.
	We just continued reporting what I thought was normally and reasonably.
	So the effect of this became that that became a rarity.
	And all of a sudden, people started flocking to us and because of their disappointment with all these other, I call them legacy media, people call it mainstream, but I wonder if it really is the mainstream anymore, right?
	I call it the legacy lying media is what I call it.
	I've never said this on my show in front of 3 million people, but I I think I should say now, given the amazing work you and your colleagues do at EPOC.
	So I came into the administration expecting to do counterterrorism work because that had been my background.
	And then I was stolen from Mike Flynn to work for Steve Bannon's strategic initiatives group, the think tank.
	And then Steve opened my eyes to lots of things.
	I mean, I got my clearances and I started reading all the classified reports on things that I wasn't that familiar with.
	On the classified side, I knew about China and Russia and everything else, but when you start reading the Chinese threat assessments, you realize, you know, ISIS are amateurs.
	We're going to deal with ISIS.
	We're going to deal with Iran.
	We're going to deal with Russia.
	The real threat is China.
	And when President Trump started turning things around on China against the Kissinger Doctrine, I have to admit to you, Jan, I didn't think he could do it.
	I mean, he'd been saying this from the 80s.
	If you listen to him on your Oprah Winfrey show, he was telling the truth about China for decades.
	And I thought, there's no way even the president can turn around Palo Alto, Google, Apple and the quote unquote elites, silence acquiescence and footsie under the table with the CCP in Beijing.
	I have to, you know, I have to eat my hat now, because I think he pretty much turned us around.
	I mean, people who are awake and pay attention under his term in office, who know what the Epoch Times is, I think we've had a sea change shift in how America looks at Communist China.
	Would you agree?
	I'll say yes and no.
	A very important interview I had was with a man named Michael Pillsbury.
	Oh, yes.
	The 100-Year Marathon.
	The 100-Year Marathon, exactly.
	A book I've recommended to people to read about the Chinese Communist Party's plan over a long time to basically subvert America.
	For the 100th anniversary of the Communist takeover, which will be 2049.
	They want to be the premier hegemonic power in the world for the 103 anniversary.
	Correct.
	Exactly.
	And they use what's called unrestricted warfare, or asymmetrical hybrid warfare.
	There's different names for it.
	But basically, anything, any tool that could be used.
	Financial, political, intelligence, information, propaganda.
	It's not necessarily bombs and bullets.
	A hundred percent.
	As a number of guests have pointed out on the show, and I think we know intuitively, the CCP has been very effective at basically co-opting our elite class, and I think partially just through the lure of money.
	Former ambassadors getting nice gigs, people becoming registered foreign agents for co-opting.
	A lot of it was just, I might add, perfectly legal, even.
	Why did I say yes and no?
	Unquestionably, when I knew that Trump was serious, the moment I saw that he was hiring Peter Navarro.
	Right.
	Who is very serious on China.
	He's very serious.
	And also, he will never back down.
	Right.
	And then we had Brigadier Spaulding, my colleague, Matt Pottinger, but these people understand the threat of China.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	So that I saw because every president campaigned, by the way, on China, right?
	So Trump wasn't unusual in campaigning on China.
	But so to make a long story short, Pillsbury made the observation, the rhetoric has changed.
	The rhetoric has changed dramatically and there's an awareness.
	You could even argue that the spy balloon itself precipitated a significant change among the population.
	However, that has not necessarily translated to the attitude of the State Department.
	Well, not necessarily.
	Some shifts have happened, but it's the way we think about nations or the ideology with which we perceive China, for example, which is largely, well, we wouldn't want to hurt their feelings.
	We wouldn't want to let them lose face.
	Of course, the CCP loves this type of setup.
	I don't know how much that has really changed, although the rhetoric and the consensus—I hate that word now—but the sense that Americans and Canadians have about China has changed dramatically.
	A lot of people have woken up who weren't aware.
	To the credit of the Biden administration, they've kept some pretty significant Trump-era policies in trying to contain the CCP a bit, but in other areas, no.
	We'll talk about the Biden administration momentarily.
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	You don't have to say that you have to talk about the Chinese level of respect.
	So let me say here that in front of the Chinese side, the United States does not have the qualification to say that it wants to speak to China from a position of strength.
	That was right at the beginning of the Biden administration, Antony Blinken in Anchorage for a bilateral with the chief diplomat from Communist China, who basically read BLM talking points to Blinken about how America's racist, there's inequality, don't tell us what to do despite being the world's Biggest communist dictatorship.
	Jan, you said some good things were kept from the Trump administration.
	However, you look at the spy balloon, you look at the recent military exercise around Taiwan.
	China has taken a measure of this administration and found opportunity for action, wouldn't you say?
	Well, I would say the biggest area that strikes me is simply this—it has to do with ideology.
	And you mentioned how the chief diplomat decided to use, to talk back the ideological talking points— Democrat talking points to the chief diplomat.
	It's a huge problem that we exist in a reality where if someone knows the script, that they can say that it basically renders the other side powerless to respond.
	By the way, this is textbook CCP unrestricted warfare.
	What a powerful tool, right?
	So, if you look at events around Taiwan, if you look at the last two years, as somebody who looks at these issues day in, day out, who has your special interviews with these thought leaders, China's accelerating, is it not?
	It isn't slowing down, it's not worried, and things will get worse before they get better.
	I think the CCP is extremely worried right now.
	About?
	For example, its financial situation.
	Because everyone is talking about the end of the dollar and the growth of the BRICS.
	I don't buy that.
	But China China has internal challenges, does it not?
	The real estate market collapsing.
	Demographic issues.
	Talk to us about, help our listeners and viewers understand China today.
	It's not just another country.
	It's a unique country and it has its own problems.
	Tell us some of the things that aren't understood about China.
	Well, basically, the Chinese economy is massively leveraged.
	People complain about how leveraged the U.S.
	economy is, as they should.
	It's actually a huge problem, and it's unclear.
	Some crash has to happen.
	China has that, and I don't remember the exact numbers, but at I don't know if it's an order of magnitude greater, but substantially, a number of numerals greater.
	That's just the reality.
	I'm of the school and a number of people who have been guests on the show of the school that one of the few things that really keeps all of this functioning is this massive influx of U.S.
	dollars constantly.
	There's another thing that's actually important to note, and a few people have pointed this out.
	The US dollar is a convertible currency.
	The CCP chooses not to make the UN convertible.
	As much as they would like everything to be settled in the UN, of course, they would love that.
	But the bottom line is, as investors like the billionaire Mobius have pointed out, the CCP decides if you can get that money out.
	They control your money.
	Absolutely.
	And it can be leveraged.
	We've seen some examples in the West how politicians can also leverage money.
	Now imagine that in the ultimate sense, where truly that currency is a tool of control.
	Direct control.
	So that's the reality that the CCP functions in.
	Of course, it's a huge threat to the U.S.
	for this de-dollarization, potentially.
	But I don't think it's coming as quickly as some people might imagine.
	Because people have to trust the currency.
	Right.
	This is why I don't buy the people are going to leave the dollar behind.
	Whoever gets elected president, the dollar is trustworthy.
	But if the U.S.
	economy looks like it's failing, then that actually puts that into question as well.
	It does.
	But it's an economy that always recovers.
	There are economies that can go under and never recover.
	We look at totalitarian regimes where that's what happens.
	Look at the value of the ruble today in comparison to 30 years ago.
	It's a disaster.
	I would argue that the CCP's most successful unrestricted warfare campaign was basically funding its massive rise since the 90s with U.S.
	dollars.
	With our money.
	Absolutely.
	With our money and with the elite bought into all of that.
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	Jan, you told this very compelling story.
	I hope one day you sit down and you write your autobiography of your journey from a Polish family in Canada to what you're doing today.
	Listening to the story of the persecution of the Falun Gong in communist China put everything into context for you of what your families imbued into you as those who had left the communist regime, which is my family background.
	My father was actually liberated from a political prison in Hungary in the revolution.
	When I moved to Hungary 15 years ago, when I moved to America, sorry, 15 years ago, And I'd hear fellow conservatives tell me that communism's here in America.
	The socialists have arrived.
	I'd laugh.
	I would make fun of them.
	I'd say, oh really?
	Communism in America?
	Can I talk to you about the scars on my father's body where he was tied together with wire by the secret police so he could be tortured in the dungeons of Andrashe 60, the secret police headquarters.
	And I'd just poo-poo it.
	I'd laugh at them.
	I don't do that anymore.
	When I see pro-life activists getting their home raided by armed members of the FBI, when I see reports in the last 10 days of the FBI targeting Roman Catholics who go to Latin Mass as extremists, I don't have a wry smile anymore.
	Will you tell us your take on the threat of socialism or communism in what we considered to be the freest nation on God's green earth?
	The incredible thing is that when people come to America or Canada from communists or other regimes—I've had this discussion with numerous people—you come and you can't compare what's here.
	Even today, it's not that.
	In fact, a lot of those people often Some of them see it extremely clearly, and I haven't quite figured out what is the factor.
	I'll give you an example.
	I'll just jump in.
	My mother, for example, at a time when I was still thinking that Her getting vaccinated with the COVID vaccines might make sense because she's an older person, and it seemed like the data supported that.
	That was the one group where it really made sense.
	She said, No, I'm not going to do it.
	Why?
	Why are you not going to do it?
	She said, Well, there's just something about the way they're wanting us to do this that just reminds me of the old country.
	That it's being forced is not a choice.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	Exactly.
	And there's all these tropes now that if it was really that good, why would you have to force it on people, all this stuff, right?
	But the bottom line, there was an authoritarian bent to this whole thing.
	And so for some people, like my mother and actually my father, who don't agree on a lot of things, but all this stuff they really agree on, they were uninterested in this.
	Now, at the same time, all sorts of people come with the promise of freedom, and it's true.
	This is not a totalitarian society by any means.
	Well, I suppose that's what we're discussing, right?
	The question is, is it another form of socialism that if you go to January 6,
	and you're identified as somebody who peacefully walked through the building and you're caught on camera then you can become an enemy of the state despite not having heard anybody broken anything but by dint of your political identity you can have the full force of federal government not only come down on you but to actually persecute you because the idea that somebody who's on a misdemeanor charge is held in solitary for twenty months That's against the US Constitution.
	It's very simple.
	So if it's not totalitarianism qua the Soviet Union or the Cold War, It's definitely in the same taxonomy.
	Well, no, absolutely.
	Because this is the other thing that dawned on me.
	Poland didn't have it as hard as the Soviet Union or China, not by any means.
	But most people living in these societies, they just kind of go about their lives.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	It's what in Hungary they call goulash communism.
	Right.
	There's a late story, probably apocryphal, that's associated with the man who replaced the very hard Stalinist dictator.
	So after World War II, there was Rákosi.
	They called him the poison gnome.
	He was a real vicious general secretary of the Communist Party in Hungary.
	I mean, the labor camps, expulsions and everything else happened under Rákosi.
	In comes Kádár, János Kádár, who has a little bit of reform here and there.
	He's associated with goulash communism, where you can go to a holiday, you can get a passport, you've got to stay behind the Iron Curtain, but you can go to Yugoslavia for holidays, stuff like that.
	And apparently somebody asks him at the Central Committee, Why are you instigating these nominal reforms, these little tidbits of freedom for the people?
	And Kardar responds, I find it far more efficacious when you're trying to break somebody's spine.
	It's very hard to do it suddenly.
	It's much easier to bend it slowly over time.
	Is this what we're seeing in America?
	Right.
	Well, no.
	It's not Romania.
	It's not East Germany.
	It's not Bulgaria.
	But it's the imposition of this communism by stealth.
	Well, and there's a hint.
	The question is, what happens to you when you fall on the wrong side of the system?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Right?
	What happens?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And so unfortunately, what we're learning—so this was actually the promise of America and any free state, actually—is that, by and large, 99.9% of the time, The rule of law comes to your rescue.
	What I'm deeply concerned about, what I'm seeing is that it's changing.
	That's the issue.
	You know, Lady Justice is still wearing a blindfold.
	Follow this, Matt.
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	Someone very profoundly once said, many years ago, that if fascism ever comes to America, it'll come in the name of liberalism.
	And what is fascism?
	Fascism is private ownership, private enterprise, but total government control and regulation.
	Well, isn't this the liberal philosophy?
	The conservative, so-called, is the one that says, less government.
	Get off my back.
	Get out of my pocket.
	Yes, indeed.
	The man who, along with a woman who...
	Is the epitome of leadership, the woman under whose leadership I grew up in England, Margaret Thatcher, and blessed St.
	John Paul II, the triumvirate that brought to the fall of the Berlin Wall and liberation for most of those behind the Iron Curtain, the great Ronald Reagan.
	Jan, last few minutes with you, first things first, we had a fascinating discussion last time I was on your show about Ukraine.
	We've had a very, especially on the right, a very pathetic level debate on this issue for the last year, have we not?
	It's either you have to be full bore and deploy everything and 82nd Airborne has to land there and, you know, the Lindsey Grahams, or it's the Tuckerites who are saying, oh, who cares?
	It's too far away.
	It's irrelevant.
	Are you disappointed by the paucity of debate on this issue after a nation has been invaded?
	Yes.
	There's even a variant that just says, Putin's my friend because he's against this woke stuff, which he is, and he's wise to be, I might add.
	As are the mullahs in Iran, but that doesn't make the mullahs in Iran good guys.
	Right.
	Right.
	Aren't you disappointed by how lacking in sophistication we've been?
	It is, and I think this is one of the big challenges.
	Whenever you're in a situation where there's a lot of—and this is Communist China to a T—where there's mass censorship and powerful narratives being pumped into the system, you have the situation where It's really hard to tell what's real.
	And you know in your immediate vicinity what it is.
	And also, you know that a lot of the time what the regime narrative is, is probably not going to be correct.
	It might be opportunistically correct from some time to be just kind of assume it's not.
	So it's not like this is, I kind of understand the people who just, because the official narrative says, we have to support the whole Ukraine, The whole ideology around Ukraine and everything.
	100% if you don't, then you're a Putin lover or something, right?
	Of course, preposterous, right?
	But there's just a lot of people out there who are like, you know what, I'm done with this propaganda machine.
	I'll just believe the opposite.
	Now, I don't think that's terribly nuanced.
	I would hope we could be a lot more nuanced.
	That's what we try to do on American Thought Leaders and other shows.
	But I also kind of understand It's a hedge that I grasp that you might take to do the opposite of whatever the narrative that you're supposed to believe is.
	I didn't say this.
	Somebody said this to me and I like it.
	It's fine to be skeptical of narratives that are being delivered to you.
	But don't be cynical, because skeptical requires action upon your behalf to verify.
	If you're cynical, you just say, it's all lies.
	Well, it can't all be lies.
	If you believe in the concept of truth, there must be some truth and you have to discern it.
	Okay, in the break, last question, in the break, you talked about the incredible capacity for these regimes, and for the left to have done it with past regimes, the memory holding of what Stalin did in Ukraine and elsewhere, but even with current regimes like Venezuela, of how the reality is just deleted in an Orwellian sense.
	If you could have a megaphone now to tens of millions of under 40 youngsters in America who've never been to a communist country, don't have family who came from a communist country, what would you say is the most important thing or message you could tell them about communism, socialism, China, Venezuela, North Korea?
	What would you say to them if you had a perfect moment to communicate?
	Seb, I'm going to turn the question around a little bit.
	I don't know if there's a good answer there, because the communist ideology I've come to realize is very specious.
	It sounds very attractive, but underneath it is the horror show within the ideology that emerges every time it's applied, and then you have the next people that say, this time we will get it right.
	It's the people who implemented it who are bad.
	The idea is good.
	We're just going to try it one more time.
	Or it's human nature that's the problem, or something like that, right?
	I think we have to, step by step, provide good, decent, reasonable education with different points of view on history that are based in reality.
	I don't think there's a soundbite that's going to suddenly turn people's minds around.
	This is a difficult question, because I was reading that There's this huge interest among Generation Z, for example, in socialism.
	They don't understand what it is.
	They haven't been taught even the underpinnings of it.
	They believe some sort of utopian vision of it, which indeed, it seeks in itself.
	So the answer isn't an easy one.
	I don't think there's a single thing.
	I would say, make sure to find very disparate sources of information.
	And if you actually look at those different sources of information, you'll be able to come to some semblance of reality, some semblance of the truth.
	But it takes work.
	There isn't a quick answer here, I think.
	There's one.
	It's not quick, but there's one very simple answer that really comes out of the work you do, what Epoch Times does, what my friend Morgan Zegers does with her project.
	And it's a very simple one.
	Very simple one.
	Listen to those who have lived under socialism.
	Listen to those who have survived communism.
	Because they know.
	Don't rely upon what the professor in California in the classroom tells you.
	Because he doesn't live in a communist country either.
	Listen to those who actually have and who escaped it for a reason.
	All right, I could do this for hours.
	An amazing, amazing interview, an opportunity to turn the tables and make him the interviewee.
	Please follow him right now on Twitter, Jan Jekielek.
	It's TheEpochTimes.com, and it is the American Thought Leaders series.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	You've been listening to America First.

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