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Jan. 4, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Kevin McCarthy fails fourth Speaker vote

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Greetings, dear friends.
	We are up to vote number five.
	Kevin McCarthy is not yet Speaker of the House.
	And the person who has been nominated is Byron Donalds by the individuals who say, we don't like deals behind closed doors in the so-called conference.
	Let's have an open vote with names against yes or no.
	How long will it last?
	Well, we will keep you updated as the date goes on.
	But let's talk about the reaction on the putative, the alleged right, and the left.
	First we have Jake Tapper with a very disturbing label for Elected members of Congress wanting to have an open vote about who should lead the House.
	This is Cut Eleven, CNN's Jake Tapper.
	One of the things that these rebels are pushing for is a more open process, more open debate, more open amendments, less control by the Speaker, less control by the Rules Committee, less control by the committee chairs.
	We are almost seeing the fact that the C-SPAN cameras are having such a free-for-all today because there are no House rules preventing them from showing everything going on is almost a metaphor for the kind of freedom that these rebels are pushing for, some of the rebels, I should say.
	Oh my gosh, did you hear that?
	They're pushing for freedom!
	How dare they?
	Rebels?
	A rebellion?
	What happens to rebels if you catch them, Eric?
	I believe that would be capital punishment.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If there's a rebellion against the system, you have to hang them high, don't you?
	Is Drake Tapper proposing violence?
	Against his fellow Americans.
	Oh, by the way, Jeff, what does Jake Tapper do now?
	Does he even have a show?
	What's his job?
	Because he's no longer the White House correspondent, right?
	He's back to the daytime.
	He's no longer primetime.
	What about, what's his name, Abilio?
	What's his name, Acosta?
	Still struggling on this weekend show.
	Oh, poor, poor, poor, poor man.
	But it's not just the left, it's not just the fake journalists, it's the fake conservatives.
	Here we have Karl Rove.
	I know it doesn't sound like him, but he's on a phone line talking about the disaster, the chaos of having an open vote for the Speaker of the House.
	Cut ten!
	What the Freedom Caucus, if they were able to achieve that, what it would bring about is countervailing pressure from others.
	Other elements of the House Republican Caucus would say, well, if they were able to get that, then we're going to come forward with our set of demands, particularly if they're able to get somebody who agrees that they will do things like allow Freedom Caucus members to designate what committees they serve on and so forth.
	There are going to be other demands from other groups of the House Republicans.
	This is an utter, unmitigated disaster.
	Chaos tends to bring about chaos.
	Did you hear the phrases used there?
	Unmitigated disaster.
	about chaos.
	We're a long way from the point at which chaos stops bringing around more chaos. - Did you hear the phrases used there?
	Unmitigated disaster.
	Chaos.
	Mr. G, I may be incorrect here.
	How long has this delay been going on?
	Is it six months or nine months on the vote of the Speaker?
	It's basically been a little bit longer than 24 hours.
	So, like, 30 hours?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I guess they were planning on, what, doing the impeachment of Joe Biden today, if he was sworn in yesterday?
	Oh, yeah, and they would have finished it by, what, yesterday, six o'clock, right?
	Yeah, we're missing out all the hard work that they're gonna do.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Uh, this is a joke, guys.
	It's pathetic.
	Chaos?
	Anarchy?
	As I posted earlier today, for 30 years, not since the Gipper left the White House, for 30 years, the GOP has betrayed Americans.
	Whether it's outsourcing jobs, whether it's footsie under the table with the Democrats, whether it's Promising us justice for Benghazi and then having frauds like Trey Gowdy say, YES I'M GONNA GET JUSTICE and then nothing?
	Or whether it's pathetic little dwarfs like, what's that guy's name?
	Lindsey Graham.
	Oh yeah, I'm gonna subpoena them all!
	Where are the subpoenas, Lindsey?
	We're about six years too late with your subpoenas.
	It's like that new senator.
	Isn't that cool to say?
	That new senator.
	J.D.
	Vance wrote in his book, that former Marine, The Hillbilly Elegy.
	For decades, for generations in fact, if you read what happened to his family, we've been sold out as Americans.
	The rise of China, open borders, drug abuse, big tech censorship, on and on.
	The list is just endless!
	The lobbyists, the cushy jobs, special interests, Chamber of Commerce with their pro-illegal alien policies.
	So you have been screwing over America for 30, 40, 50 years and you can't wait 48 hours?
	Waiting 48 hours is chaos?
	Is anarchy?
	Even somebody who I, you know, we're never buddies, but I was on his show every week.
	Even Fox is Sean Hannity.
	I guess it's shown his true colors.
	Play cut.
	It is day one of the 188th Congress and House Republicans now are on the verge of becoming a total clown show if they're not careful.
	But despite the cheering and the elation from Democrats and the mob and the media, it's not a dire situation yet.
	Oh, not yet, but it could be a dire situation because it's already a clown show!
	Is it Hannity?
	Is that what your buddy Lindsey Graham told you to say?
	So his rhino friends are satisfied, are placated.
	I tuned in to my good friend, my real friend, Mike Gallagher's show this morning, and I texted him as soon as he said the following.
	He said, let's pump the brakes on the histrionics.
	Yeah, this is hysteria.
	This is histrionics.
	And he said, enough with the status quo.
	Again, let me be clear.
	I don't necessarily... I mean, he's been on... Hey, Geoff, McCarthy's been on the show, right?
	Yeah, he was on here a couple times.
	Right.
	So, Kevin McCarthy's been on the show.
	I don't necessarily think he's a bad man.
	Even Mark Levin said, at least he's not evil like Mitch McConnell.
	Man, have we got something to show you with Mitch McConnell later.
	But he's weak.
	And he's definitely not MAGA.
	He's on America First.
	He's a weak man.
	Now, don't get me wrong, I think he will be confirmed Speaker.
	But he needs to be sent a message.
	And the rhinos that have betrayed America for too long need to be put in their place.
	America First people.
	Andy Biggs, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Steve Scalise.
	Have to send a message.
	Byron Donalds, I guess.
	Have to send a message.
	No more business as usual!
	You gotta produce!
	You gotta be serious!
	Whether it's impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas, whether it's the investigations of Hunter Biden and the whole Biden crime cartel, we want action.
	We don't want footsie under the table.
	We don't want people anointed behind closed doors in the Congressional Conference with backdoor deals.
	We want an open vote.
	Name to vote.
	And Victoria Sparks, it's Victoria Sparks, right, Eric, who's holding out?
	That is correct.
	On the last two ballots in a row, she voted switched from McCarthy to present.
	What?
	What's that?
	I mean, Victoria, you're a friend of the show.
	You voted present?
	Either do your business, you know, or get off the pot.
	The stakes are too big.
	So I, for one, I like a little bit of chaos.
	I can stand 24 hours.
	72 hours worth of chaos because it's time to get serious afterward.
	We've waited 30, 40, 50 years.
	Too many cowards.
	Let's see some backbone.
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	Stay here on America First. - Um, Jefferson, this is this is Casio now.
	What's that?
	Let's send these things to Casio now.
	Let's get at least... What do you think?
	I think 3 and 11.
	So Rona and Tapa.
	Pick one more.
	What else should we send out?
	I think we should do something that lasts two minutes.
	Like, remember you wanted a shorter ellipse?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Can we do that quickly though?
	How do we do that?
	No, not till after the show, I don't think.
	Okay, alright.
	Pick one more card.
	Two.
	Biden and Mitch.
	Okay, good.
	Alright.
	And then, can you start playing for me, Eric?
	Yeah.
	Seven and eight.
	The Governor.
	of Colorado is now stating that they are going to be sending migrants to places like New York and Chicago.
	This is just unfair for local governments to have to take on this national obligation.
	We've done our job.
	There's no more room at the end.
	Dan Crenshaw calling you and your colleagues, quote, enemies, saying you prefer the Democrats' agenda and, Nebraska Congressman Don Bacon going as far as saying that you are a member of the, quote, chaos caucuses and the, quote, Taliban 20.
	How do you respond to that?
	Well, first of all, I wore the uniform just like Don Bacon did, and like Dan Crenshaw did, and they both know these are outrageous, over-the-top personal attacks, and these are desperate tactics from people who can't win on the merits of their argument, and quite honestly, on their record.
	I will just tell you this, Jackie, there are members past and present that have a vested interest in protecting the swamp and the status quo.
	Somebody has to fight for the American people who know this always happens to them.
	This keeps happening to them.
	Somebody has to fight for them.
	That's us.
	That's who's doing it, and we're not going to back down for that.
	Can you come in with that?
	Come in with cut eight.
	She's on the line.
	You want the mics on or off?
	Off.
	off.
	Thank you.
	Dan Crenshaw calling you and your colleagues, quote, enemies, saying you prefer the Democrats' agenda.
	Nebraska Congressman Don Bacon going as far as saying that you are a member of the, quote, chaos caucuses and the, quote, Taliban 20.
	How do you respond to that?
	Well, first of all, I wore the uniform just like Don Bacon did, and like Dan Crenshaw did, and they both know these are outrageous, over-the-top personal attacks, and these are desperate tactics from people who can't win on the merits of their argument, and quite honestly, on their record.
	I will just tell you this, Jackie, there are members past and present that have a vested interest in protecting the swamp and the status quo.
	Somebody has to fight for the American people who know this always happens to them.
	This keeps happening to them.
	Somebody has to fight for them.
	That's us.
	That's who's doing it, and we're not going to back down for that.
	God bless Congressman Scott Perry.
	Jeff, will you try and reach out to his team and squeeze him onto the show today?
	Because that's just outrageous.
	Can we do that?
	Okay.
	To call your fellow Republicans?
	Crenshaw, a former SEAL, to call them enemies?
	You mean like you're going to kill them?
	And then Don Bacon, who I've never heard of, calling them the Taliban?
	People of your own party?
	Eric, who is Don Bacon?
	How are these people I've never heard of?
	That's kind of how it works, isn't it?
	These people, we've never heard of them before.
	And then you've got to roll them out, right?
	When you need to attack a Republican, you've got to roll them out.
	Absolutely despicable.
	I'm starting to get angry, guys.
	I want you to sound off.
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	And she's going to tell us what's really going on, Demar Hamlin, and what's going on with wokery in sports, formerly with NBC.
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	What's the latest update?
	When you first saw that incident, you saw the slow-mo retake.
	As somebody who's been in this world for years, what's your response, Michelle?
	It's just incredibly serious and incredibly rare.
	My husband and I were talking about this.
	If you take all the college football games and all the NFL games for one week, you're talking about quite a few plays, a lot of football plays where people are hitting each other with high velocity and there are all kinds of stuff.
	This is the only time we've ever seen it.
	This is not a football injury.
	This is a freak injury.
	I want people to stay away from the knee-jerk reaction to, oh, how are we going to change football to avoid this?
	No, this was freak.
	This would be similar to if a baseball player, if a pitcher, had a ball hit back right at him in the chest.
	It would be a similar kind of thing.
	Again, very, very rare.
	Now, if I remember, there was like a collision and then a pause of a second or two and then a collapse, which makes it even weirder, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, he bounced right back up after the collision.
	So, you know, and then it's, so that's why there are all the, and it was cardiac arrest.
	So it obviously took a moment or two for this, for his heart to stop or for his brain to catch up with his heart or whatever it is.
	And I'm not a doctor and I'm not going to speculate.
	But yes, and then he collapsed.
	And then it was, you look at the official, who's right there, and he immediately puts his arms up, waving out the training staffs.
	Now, here's the beauty of the NFL.
	These, the athletic trainers for each team, and all the medics that are around, rehearse their reaction to things like this.
	So they rehearse, this is, they've got this down.
	Yeah.
	And so there is a system, so once they run out there, they know exactly who is going to be the leader on this team of, You know, starting to resuscitate the individual.
	And everyone knows his and her role.
	And that is why they were successfully able to revive him.
	The fact that it took so long, though, is really troubling.
	And, you know, we have to wait and see what the actual diagnosis is and what happened.
	So yeah, it's very impressive.
	It's like the NASCAR pit stops.
	Everybody had their job.
	Everybody knew what they were doing.
	So you're saying, and I tend to agree with this, we don't make outliers the reason for policy.
	This is a freak event.
	However, There's only a couple of options.
	And neither of us are MDs.
	I'm a PhD.
	You're a sports expert.
	But if this is an outlier freakish event, there's only a couple of options.
	Number one, there's a pre-existing congenital condition.
	We find this often with boxers and others.
	Something suddenly happens that they hadn't screened for or discovered prior.
	Or something to do with either something he ingested or vaccination perhaps was in his body and caused that.
	So it is a freak occurrence, but there I would add one other option.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	The third option to that would be the perfect confluence of events being hit at just the right moment, in just the right spot, at just the right velocity to make his heart stop.
	There's a term for that, and I know it's being used quite a bit lately, and I don't have it off the tip of my tongue, but there is a term for it, and it could have been that.
	So that's why I've learned, and maybe the hard way, but you do not speculate on injuries.
	Yeah, it's like when it's the, as a former national security guy, it's all initial reports from the battlefield are wrong.
	So never comment, just wait.
	You can kind of sketch possibles, but you don't say any of them is absolutely for sure.
	All right, we've only got a couple of minutes left.
	Got to talk to you about NFL.
	We saw the NHL go completely woke as well when it comes to transgender just before Christmas.
	Is this ever going to stop?
	Can we clean up sports to get politics out of it?
	Tell me some good news.
	Well, I don't know if I have it.
	I don't know if I have it.
	Here's what I have noticed a little bit of.
	Right in 2020, we're in COVID, we have the George Floyd riots and everyone is, you know, hashtag BLM and the NFL decided to put all these phrases on the field.
	Players could have the phrase on the back of their helmet.
	They could choose a phrase like, choose love and hate, something like that.
	And so everyone did it and it was fine.
	I mean, I have no, I'm kind of a free speech absolutist.
	If you want to do that, go ahead.
	But lately I've seen a lot of the teams that were doing that step back and just put the name of the team on the back of their helmet again.
	The Patriots, the Bill, you know, whatever it happens to be.
	Not all teams are doing it.
	And again, everyone's entitled to their own message, but it is going to, I think it is going to, fans want to just be entertained and lose themselves in a game.
	And they don't want to be preached at, and they don't want to be told how to feel.
	They're there to cheer for their team and see the action and experience the plays.
	And so, yeah, I think ultimately it will be fan response that wins the day.
	And I guess if the fan response is overwhelmingly positive to all this, then it's probably not going anywhere.
	I don't think it will be, though.
	People are getting fed up.
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	Next, that viral video from the Waffle House.
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	The most viral video of late that hit the news is from a Waffle House.
	And some people think we have discovered the real Diana Prince.
	Yes.
	Wonder Woman has been unearthed at a Waffle House because there's no other way to explain this.
	So for our radio listeners I'm going to walk you through this video.
	A very unruly, play the cup, unruly bunch of people climbing over the counters, assaulting the staff.
	One of them picks up one of those heavy-duty aluminum chairs, throws it at the duty chef, and she, like, I don't know whether she's related to Bruce Lee or something, deflects it with her wrist and just stands there!
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	I mean, the slow-mo is just mind-blowing.
	And she's on the line with us.
	Hallie Booth!
	Welcome to America First!
	Hi, how are you?
	It's good to be here.
	I can't believe we got you on the show.
	This is so exciting.
	First things first, really weird that this thing goes viral just a couple of days ago, but this happened months ago, didn't it?
	This actually happened in 2021 of September.
	And the story goes, tell me if I've got any elements of it wrong.
	Group of people comes in, clearly drunk, inebriated.
	They sit down in a section of the Waffle House where they're not supposed to.
	It was, you know, segregated off or fenced off, I don't know, for cleaning or something.
	They sit down, demand to be served.
	They make some racial comment.
	And then it starts getting violent.
	Is that about the gist of it?
	Basically, yeah.
	All right.
	And then what happens to you?
	Um, all I got from the fight was a write-up for breaking a sugar shaker.
	Um, destruction of business property.
	So you got, you got in trouble, not the person throwing the chair at you, you did?
	Yeah, I mean, um, the, the police had shown up and I didn't want to press any charges.
	I felt like the situation had been resolved.
	Um, so, uh, and, and who's going to stick around?
	Till 7 a.m.
	and wait for the boss to be here to be like, yeah, I threw a chair at one of your employees.
	Right, exactly.
	But then later you moved, correct?
	And you tried to get another job at another Waffle House and you found out what, Hallie?
	I had moved out of the city and I went to visit a friend of mine in North Carolina for like six months and tried to work there to get some extra money.
	And I had found out that I was on the Do Not Hire blacklisted.
	So you were blacklisted by Waffle House?
	Yes, sir.
	All right, that's why I gotta mention this.
	So she has a Twitter account.
	It's called Witch.
	Like, you know, mystical.
	WitchDragon5.
	She has a cash app there.
	You can support her.
	Our buddy Bricksuit also has created a GoFundMe for her.
	So the account is WitchDragon5.
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	And I got to ask you one more question, Hallie Booth.
	Are you some kind of secret martial artist?
	No, sir.
	I actually have no official training.
	I learned how to fight.
	My stepdad taught me how to throw the first punch and the rest was unsavory situations with ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends where I had to learn to fight or lose.
	And your wrist wasn't broken after you deflected that metal chair?
	No, those chairs, it looks heavy.
	Those chairs are not as solid as they look.
	They're hollow and made out of aluminum.
	All I had was just like a little bruise.
	So it's not as impressed.
	Don't undermine the narrative.
	We are very impressed with the witch dragon number five.
	It looks epic.
	It's like something out of a Marvel movie.
	So welcome to your fame.
	I don't know how you're handling it.
	I saw you on TV yesterday.
	You looked a little bit nervous.
	You look a little bit more cool today.
	It was definitely intimidating, to say the least.
	All right.
	You'll get used to it.
	You'll get used to it.
	All right.
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	Good stuff.
	um Interesting comment in the chat on Rumble from BNL regarding the Spartz thing and why she votes present.
	It says, Spartz may be planning to run for Senate.
	Because remember, Mike Braun announced he's not running for re-election.
	So that's an open Senate seat come 2024.
	Yeah, but so what?
	Potentially doesn't want bad blood between her and McCarthy.
	She gave a statement after the first present vote saying something along the lines of, clearly we need to have another conference.
	Close door caucus meeting or something to discuss this, because... I don't know, something along those lines, but... I think it's interesting that he's lost two people already, and I think that's only going to increase.
	Who's the other person?
	Uh, well, Byron Donalds.
	Oh, Byron.
	Yeah, Byron.
	He didn't vote in the original 19?
	Um, no, yeah.
	First three ballots, or first two ballots he voted for McCarthy, then the third ballot he voted for, uh, Jordan.
	And now, here he's been, he's the nominee of the last two ballots.
	So you did pretty good.
	Yeah.
	Okay, um, titles.
	Um... Alum as well as... Yeah, Hallie Booth, colon, the Waffle House Wonder Woman.
	Dermar Hamblin, what do we know?
	Oh, that's good.
	Where'd you get that from, Alex?
	I saw it on either Discord or Twitter.
	I love that.
	It all comes down to the Discord.
	Discord's what?
	Like a chat room?
	Yeah, it's primarily used by gamers.
	Like when they have big group sessions.
	Oh, wow.
	45 seconds.
	Oh, yeah, this is D.
	Oh, we gotta do, uh... No super spreader, right, Alex?
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	But I promised, gotta go to your calls.
	Let's go to California!
	Annabelle, welcome to America First.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Belated Happy New Year to you and yours.
	I'm going to talk fast.
	If Jesus could use parables, I'm going to use a little metaphor, which I don't think he'll like.
	Take two seconds.
	If I'm kidnapped, bear with me.
	If I'm kidnapped, and my kidnapper is at their mercy, kind of like we've been for the last few years with the media and the government and everything else.
	All right.
	Someone comes to the back window and says, Hey, get on that chair.
	I can take you to freedom.
	Now you have two options.
	You could stay there.
	You could cooperate with your captor.
	And maybe whatever he wants from you, a trade or whatever it is, you'll be alright.
	Or you can trust, you better trust that person at the window one billion percent that he can get you to freedom and take you the whole way.
	Because otherwise, if halfway someone spots you and you're brought back, it's going to be a lot worse.
	That's the situation America's been in.
	I think what's happening with these freedom fighters, whatever you want to call them, the people speaking out about this There's a vote going on.
	I think it's a great thing, because the reason Republicans sat out, the reason you can't get independents from moderate Democrats over, they don't trust that the Republicans bring you across.
	All we see is they go into Mar-a-Lago, they call people domestic terrorists who go to school board meetings, on and on and on.
	And people say, what was the malaise?
	Why did they go into ROCSEF?
	Because people are afraid.
	So we need to prove to them, and Mitch McConnell, I didn't want to get started, why aren't we going down there with Biden by his side for a goddamn... Excuse my language.
	I apologize.
	Forgive me, father.
	Well, let's show exactly what you're talking about to our viewers.
	So this is Mitch McConnell.
	It looks like he might be breaking into tears here, listening to Biden in Kentucky.
	It's so creepy.
	Play cut.
	Mitch, it's, you know...
	It wasn't easy to get this done and it wouldn't have gotten done no matter all the work so many others have done by writing the legislation and dropping it in.
	It wouldn't have happened without your hand.
	It just wouldn't have gotten done.
	And I want to thank you for that.
	He does look like he's crying.
	It's absolutely vomitous.
	Annabelle, I like the analogy.
	America's been held hostage by the Uniparty, including the GOP, for far too long.
	And it's time for a shake-up.
	No more status quo.
	Talking of Kentucky, let's go to Jeff, line three.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	This is Jeff.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	Carry on.
	Awesome.
	I feel like I'm talking to a celebrity here.
	Just two cents from a disgruntled, old vet, forever Trumper.
	I am so happy to see the conservative wing of my party standing up to these long, you know, just legacy Republican, you know, just go-along, get-along types.
	It's just amazing to me, and I hope it goes on for another three months.
	That might be a little bit too long, but I like the way you phrased it.
	The conservative wing standing up to the swamp.
	Perfect way to put it.
	Thank you, Jeff.
	Don't get intimidated.
	You're only talking to me and three million people.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's get Jeff a signed copy of Defeating Jihad for his call.
	Let's go to Jim in Florida.
	Jim, welcome to American First.
	How are you doing, Sebastian?
	Good.
	I think someone should suggest to the House to nominate Louie Gohmert.
	No, he's retired.
	He's retired from Congress.
	He can't nominate somebody who's retired.
	But no, but he's going back to Texas, Jim.
	Why would you do that to him?
	That's really mean.
	Yeah, because he's the one that is qualified.
	Yeah, but he's going back to Texas.
	If you had a good friend who said, I'm moving to California from Florida, would you say, oh, you should take this job here?
	Would you do that to a good friend, Jim?
	I think that he's still red, white and blue in America first.
	You're not answering the question.
	If your good friend is moving across the country, would you do that to him and his family?
	Unfortunately, I would say no.
	But in his case, I think he would say yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think there's more than one patriot.
	I love Louie Gohmert dearly, but I don't think you do that to a friend.
	Oh, I wish you would, because he is a good man.
	He is a good man, but that's not how you treat good friends.
	Thank you, Jim.
	Let's go to Brent, our buddy in Los Angeles.
	Happy New Year, Brent.
	A happy, healthy and holy New Year and anniversary, Great Gorka.
	Thank you kindly.
	Yes, indeed.
	Four years in.
	We are in our fifth year.
	That's just crazy.
	Brent, give us your take on all of these events.
	Well, first, on this cold rainy day in L.A., I'm wearing your warm, no apologies, America First sweatshirt that you sent me.
	Thank you.
	It's wonderful.
	It's toasty, isn't it?
	It's wonderful.
	All right, we're glad to hear it, Brent.
	And yesterday, so much love was sent to you by Lady Antoinette and Judy from Brooklyn.
	I just had to call and tell you how much I love you, too.
	But not in any degenerate, demonic, democratic kind of way, but in a sanctified band of brothers sort of way.
	And since I can't be- because my gender precludes me from being one of your Gorka's angels, I'm now identifying myself as a Gorka Grenadier, whose pronouns are WE THE PEOPLE.
	Oh, I like that.
	Gawker Grenadier.
	Pronouns, we the people.
	That is excellent, my friend.
	Who have we not heard of in our regulars?
	We've got to get Ray in from the New Year.
	We've got to get... Who else are our good buddies?
	We've got that... Oh!
	South of the... No, no, just in the south, protecting us on the border.
	We've got Pepe.
	Come on, who are the other big names?
	Eric.
	Who do we have?
	We've already had Judy.
	We've had Judy.
	Jeff, who are we missing?
	Oh, oh, he has to put his headphones on.
	Who are you missing?
	Oh, Deep Voice Dave.
	Where's Deep Voice Dave?
	It's been so long.
	We need Don.
	And Leonardo.
	Leonardo!
	We need Dave.
	We need John.
	All of these great names.
	All right.
	Thank you, Brent.
	I love it.
	Gawker's Grenadiers.
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	Title for the monologue.
	Why do they say McCarthy appears to lose in the Sixth Valley?
	It's obvious he lost.
	Yeah, he definitely lost.
	Oh, because it's Fox.
	Candidate quality matters.
	Oh, that's good.
	You should tweet that out.
	You should tweet that out, that he appears to lose and that candidate quality matters.
	You should tweet that out.
	I'm fine with a bit of chaos.
	Can you block?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	One minute.
	At this one, I think the Scalise swooping in is increasingly likely.
	With every single ballot that fails.
	Uh, what was her name?
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	America first.
	What's going to happen if we have a new speaker, whoever it is?
	Will there actually be action in the house?
	Tucker Carlson has got an interesting idea.
	Oh, but before we got to get to that, Alex, our engineer, sent me a very cool cartoon.
	This is Hallie Booth, the Waffle House Wonder Woman.
	Look at that.
	I love that.
	I think we're going to use that when we post the segment.
	Aluminum chairs can't stop this lady.
	Tucker has got a suggestion for the new Congress.
	Cut.
	Nine.
	Play cut.
	If Kevin McCarthy wants to be the speaker, he is going to have to do things he would never do otherwise.
	Like what?
	We can think of at least two things.
	First, release the January 6th files.
	Not some of the January 6th files and video.
	All of it.
	And not to some phony committee that will hide them, that in fact is designed to hide them from the public.
	But put them online.
	Release them to the public directly.
	So that the rest of us can finally know what actually happened on January 6th, 2021.
	It's been two years.
	It's long overdue.
	It's our right as Americans to know.
	McCarthy could tell us.
	You know, they've made those documents classified for 50 years.
	Why?
	What are they hiding?
	Let's see those documents.
	Let's go to Mike, California, line one.
	Welcome, Mike.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	Happy New Year.
	And I want to talk about massive illegal immigration and that how that fulfills multiple goals of the Marxist Democrat Party in America.
	One of the goals actually comes out of Mao Zedong's Little Red Book, quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong, and that is to have lots of poor people that would support a revolution, including even a violent revolution, completely overthrowing the existing system.
	And then Mal's little red book, he has language in there about how they do not want people to be allowed to enter or start businesses because then they can pull themselves up out of poverty and they will no longer support the communist revolution, the communist party.
	Of course, the second reason, I know we've all talked about this, still worth mentioning, is it's a way the Democrat Party is importing future Socialist Democrat voters, people who they can buy their votes with other people's money.
	I think you've called in before to make this point, have you not, Mike?
	I don't quite recall, but I want to go into a little bit more detail about this.
	And this is something, your expertise will be helpful here.
	Didn't Communist Russia and Soviet Union redistribute populations around to achieve their political and dictatorial goals?
	Massively, massively, especially into the caucuses, absolutely.
	Well, this is also what the Democrat Party is doing, the Communist Democrat Party of America.
	They're doing the same thing.
	They are redistributing populations.
	In fact, they're doing it, fine-tuning it, putting illegal aliens on airplanes and determining where they are going.
	Yeah, there's only one thing that's significantly different.
	In the Soviet Union, Moscow decided where these people go.
	Now, we have the absurd situation, the legal alien is actually asked by DHS, where would you like to go?
	And we, the US taxpayer, gets to buy the ticket for them.
	That's the insanity.
	But yes, there is a strategy here.
	Thank you, Mike.
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	Hello, hello.
	Hey, Jen.
	There you are.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Happy New Year.
	Happy New Year to you.
	Are you ready for me on video?
	Yes.
	Jeff is standing by.
	Looks like it says connecting.
	Got me.
	Awesome.
	Cool.
	Thank you, Mike.
	Hello Jen!
	How's it going?
	Hey Eric!
	How was your trip home?
	It was good!
	It was a good, happy, happy, fun time.
	Good!
	Happy New Year!
	Happy New Year to you as well!
	Anything exciting?
	We had Brent on just a couple of segments ago and he mentioned it's a rainy day in LA today.
	Oh, not just a rainy day.
	We're expecting the bomb cyclone and an atmospheric river.
	Oh boy.
	So if you know what any of that is, please let me know.
	It sounds intense.
	Doesn't it?
	It sounds like we need an umbrella, I'm pretty sure.
	Two minutes by the way, and mics are on and Seb is back in his chair.
	Happy New Year!
	Happy New Year!
	I was just telling Eric we're expecting a bomb cyclone and an atmospheric river, so send prayers for California.
	Atmospheric river?
	What is that?
	I don't know.
	It used to just be rain when I was a little girl, but now it's an atmospheric river and a bomb cyclone.
	So, you know.
	Wow.
	Alright, what have we got here that's fun to share?
	Oh, you got, we got to talk about the feather alert.
	What?
	It's a new law that's in effect in California.
	Missing indigenous people.
	Can you imagine?
	Isn't that racist?
	The idiots in Sacramento came up with something that is more racist than anything you can imagine.
	The feather alert.
	They're also taking away medical licenses from anybody who prescribes ivermectin or speaks against the COVID mandates.
	Also, the trans sanctuary thing went into effect.
	That's a good one.
	Right after the James Younger ruling finally came out from the Texas Supreme Court.
	So yeah, we have that.
	We also have an officer who was killed by someone who should have been in jail for three strikes in Riverside, Riverside County.
	I think I heard about that one.
	Yeah, they had in the Rose Parade.
	I don't know if you guys watch it.
	I didn't watch it, but they had the mounted police riding.
	They had a riderless horse to honor the guy who died.
	Yeah, stupid.
	And so now Chad Bianco is calling for the judge to resign because she should have put him in for three strikes.
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	Happy New Year to you all.
	I am feeling rather gleeful about what... Is that bad?
	I feel good about Kevin McCarthy going down in flames.
	What is it, Eric?
	Is it like number six?
	This is the sixth ballot now.
	Is it bad, Jeff, to feel good?
	Hang on, he's got to get his headphones.
	He hates his headphones.
	I'm going to have to buy him one of those custom-made ones that are super comfortable, like they have at NASCAR and the NFL.
	He's found it!
	He's found his headphones.
	Is he going to be on time?
	Mr. G, are you there?
	Yeah, I'm here.
	Is it bad to feel good about Kevin McCarthy failing?
	It's not about Kevin McCarthy failing, it's the establishment.
	No, the swamp!
	Yes, realizing that people are fighting back.
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	Or maybe she doesn't.
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	She is your morning master of all things news-related and patriotic.
	She's still training that understudy little grantee, Stinchfield.
	Jennifer Horne, Happy New Year!
	Happy New Year!
	It's so nice to be back in action, isn't it?
	It just feels good to be back in a routine, actually.
	That's because we love our job, so we're lucky.
	We're blessed.
	It's like that old saying goes, if you enjoy your job, you never work a day in your life.
	Although I will preface that, or I will subtext it, I will postscript it, in other words, with the fact that you are the hardest working person in radio.
	So you work a lot, my dear.
	All right.
	Gotta talk about Schiff, your representative, the latest things we found out in the Twitter files.
	But first things first, gotta get your take.
	What is going on?
	I could imagine...
	If the vote for Speaker, if we were like in week 3 or week 17, I'd be like, yeah, maybe this is a problem, but a day and a half in, seriously, isn't this what...
	Democracy and Republicanism is about.
	Jen, help me out.
	Well, I've got a big announcement to share with your America First listeners.
	You know, my phone, it's been ringing off the hook, and I'm going to do it.
	I'm going to become the next Speaker of the House.
	They've asked me.
	Yes!
	I'm going.
	We finally have consensus.
	No, it is... I said it on the show this morning.
	I think we need to show that the grassroots, that the MAGA branch of the party is active.
	We are going to deliver on our promises.
	And I think some good has already come from this volleying back and forth.
	I love listening to everybody who's so uncomfortable, right?
	They're just, they're continually going, oh, this is so embarrassing.
	It's not embarrassing.
	This is great.
	This is political theater.
	Watch embarrassing.
	Go to watch what happens in the UK.
	That's embarrassing, right?
	So, it's not like this is some unheard of thing where it's all this pomp and circumstance in Washington, D.C.
	This is great.
	This is what we all signed up for.
	This is democracy in action.
	We are watching people who want to defend our republic.
	It's fantastic.
	Now, if this goes on past, like, Friday or maybe next Wednesday, I don't know.
	I may have to say, guys, we've got to get it together.
	Because more important than any of this fighting is that Republicans sold themselves to the American people.
	to fix things and to start some investigations.
	And this is going to hurt President Trump.
	It's gonna hurt other people if we don't get to work and start these investigations, but it's the first week of the new year, for crying out loud.
	The good news is that you've already had Kevin McCarthy make concessions that he never would have made without these guys who are acting in a patriotic manner, making sure that the American people get what Republicans are promising.
	So, I say for right now, enjoy it, relax.
	It's embarrassing.
	You know that Nancy Pelosi would have, like, shivved somebody.
	I mean, this would never happen.
	A heavy object would have fallen on the person who recommended somebody else instead of Nancy.
	There would be an exacto knife in the neck of somebody if this were Nancy Pelosi.
	But for now, we watch it, right?
	But let's unpack a couple of things here, because as Eric said in the break, the very, very outré, very peculiar battle lines are being disclosed as this goes on for another day.
	You've got Newt Gingrich, who politically I just think is a master, in a good sense, say that the Freedom Caucus has no moral right to do this, as if they're not responsible to their constituents.
	Blows my mind.
	Very disappointing, Newt.
	Second, you've got what's eyepatch guy, Dan Crenshaw, calling them the enemies of America.
	Having another guy, was it Dan Bacon?
	A guy I've never heard of, called them Jihadis.
	And then you've got Sean Hannity saying, oh this is a clown show!
	Karl Rove calling it chaotic.
	Hang on a second.
	This is, isn't this more telling of who those people are?
	Then trying to anoint somebody in a closed-door session of the Congressional Conference instead of... I like the idea!
	Stand up, floor of the Congress, yay or nay, with my name.
	Shouldn't it always be like that?
	You know, I think that it is.
	It is disheartening.
	And we talked about this on the morning answer.
	Newt Gingrich is really disappointing.
	He is someone that I love and admire and think is one of the wisest political minds that we have to tap into right now.
	But I think there's a discomfort and I've listened to it with our colleagues at Hugh Hewitt and others.
	There's a discomfort with the people who are more comfortable with the establishment type situation.
	Right.
	Yes.
	They don't find the beauty.
	They don't find what good can come from a situation like this, because it makes them uncomfortable.
	So I think that's what you're getting from Sean Hannity.
	That's what you're getting from Newt Gingrich.
	What I don't want to see is three months of this.
	I did some research, and this is not unprecedented, what we're seeing.
	You may have heard the same bit of information, but back in the late 1800s, they actually did 60 different votes, which is what it feels like we're on right now.
	But they tied things up for a couple of months.
	By the way, by the way, because the person who was proposed as speaker was a racist pro-slavery Democrat.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	No, that's right.
	Now, I'll jump ship if this ties things up for a couple of months, because I think we need some really important answers before the 2024 presidential election about Hunter Biden, the Biden crime family, the border, Alejandro Mayorkas.
	I think we have to get to work.
	I think that right now you need to make sure that we're well positioned to do what the American people want us to do and part of this process is getting those concessions.
	It's not unreasonable to ask for a vote on term limits.
	Get people on record so that we know who's there for the wrong reasons and then the people who are there for the right reasons.
	Now, I wish That we had some fight in the United States Senate like we have in the House of Representatives.
	Because I think even bigger a problem than Kevin McCarthy, who I'm not a huge fan of, obviously.
	But Mitch McConnell is, I think, even far worse a problem for Republicans.
	Who, by the way, this is from Breitbart, Mitch McConnell has just become the longest serving party leader in Senate history, guys.
	Bingo.
	Swamp, right?
	Swamp.
	And this is someone who I really believe Didn't care that Republicans lost the majority in the House this time around.
	He gave it away.
	He didn't support Arizona.
	He didn't support Nevada.
	He gave money instead to a race with two Republicans in it because he thought it would be an albatross to hang around Trump's neck to blame him for the problems with the election because he doesn't want him to run again.
	So I think that he was willing to almost take that loss because he knows he's well positioned to win in another two years.
	And apparently these lizard people will live forever because they are like these power hungry political actors who just think the next election will be theirs and they're playing the long game for themselves, not for us.
	And that's what we need to do to shake things up a little bit.
	Make sure that whether it's Kevin McCarthy or Mitch McConnell or Matt Gaetz, for that matter, that they're accountable to the people who vote for them.
	What a shocking idea.
	Where does Grant stand?
	Is he on our side, Jen?
	Oh man, are you kidding?
	He's even further on our side than we are on our side right now.
	He's more us than we are!
	He's been rallying for Matt Gaetz for weeks now.
	He's been talking about this plot that was kind of unleashed.
	And I said, I can't imagine.
	He goes, Kevin McCarthy's going to give up.
	And I said, Grant?
	I don't know that he is.
	I think he's dug in.
	This is his dream.
	He already gave up on this once before.
	We'll see what happens.
	I don't know.
	It could get dirty.
	Do you think he's gonna back away?
	What do you think?
	I was just about to ask everybody on my team what we expect.
	I think... I think you're right.
	I've been texting Matt Gaetz.
	I think he's the guy behind all of this and I'm fine with that.
	Yesterday I thought...
	McCarthy's going to get it.
	It's going to take another day or two.
	That's what I thought, but I'm not so sure.
	I'm not so sure.
	But here's what you also have to consider, and this is where we get into a shambles where I don't want to see this go, and that is that you don't have a consensus candidate.
	I think I would love it to be Jim Jordan, but it's not going to be.
	But what Eric said, imagine if out of nowhere, Steve Scalise pops up and he gets the 218.
	It's Scalise, if it's anybody.
	If it's not McCarthy, it will be Scalise in my mind.
	What I don't want to see, though, is that you're going to have to convince 200 people instead of convincing 20.
	I think it's going to be really difficult because there are a lot of people behind Kevin McCarthy who he's made deals with, including good Republicans like Marjorie Taylor Greene and others who are good representatives but have made the deal And they're willing to support it.
	Marjorie, I'm very, very disappointed in.
	She took it fast.
	You know what she's been promised.
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	A couple of days?
	It's gotta be, yeah.
	I think a couple of days.
	I don't love it going on much more than that, though.
	Then that starts to make me nervous.
	Yeah, you know what's gonna happen if it lasts until Friday?
	They're gonna say, oh, January 6th, January 6th!
	Totally, right?
	I didn't even think about that.
	You're right.
	I forgot we're coming up on the anniversary.
	Smarter than the average person.
	Look at you, I know.
	Those names, you're like Mama Cleo with the numerology.
	Someone was telling me about the documentary you know who I'm talking about that woman that well she pretended to be Jamaican and she would give Psychic readings.
	Call me now!
	I guess there was a whole documentary about her and the backstory.
	Oh yeah?
	Yeah, her life.
	I'm kind of curious, must admit.
	My mom was one of the smartest people, smartest women I've ever met.
	She spoke nine languages, taught architecture in college.
	Just a culture vulture could retell you the librettos of any famous opera.
	And she believed in astrology.
	Interesting.
	Well, so did Reagan.
	Remember Nancy Reagan?
	Oh, yes!
	Nancy Reagan.
	Was huge.
	I was just telling, actually in the same conversation I had about Mama Cleo, my mom, Jean Dixon used to have a dial-in thing where you'd call and get your horoscope and you'd press one if you're a Scorpio, two if you're a Libra, three if you're an Aquarius.
	And yeah, so she would have like this, and she would call it.
	And I can remember that President Reagan would get like consulted by her.
	Right.
	Holy moly.
	My point is very simple.
	How can you believe that a twelfth of the population is going to have the same day?
	It's the same.
	Totally.
	Please.
	I know.
	I know.
	It's hard to imagine that people are cut out of twelve different quilts, essentially.
	Right?
	Or they're all the same.
	I don't know.
	It's fun to laugh at, though.
	That's for sure.
	Do you get lots of callers in the morning?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	What are they saying?
	A lot of people are supportive of this.
	Some think they look like clowns.
	It's about a 50-50 split.
	Interesting.
	Everybody here is like, no, we like it.
	Unlock the phones, guys.
	Unlocking phones.
	90 seconds.
	Let's talk about Schiff next, unless there's something else that's burning for you.
	No, just Schiff and the feather alert, if you want to laugh at that.
	Do you mean senator shift, Jen?
	Oh, it's going to happen.
	And if Feinstein goes out before her time, I think Newsom will appoint him.
	I can see it.
	But he'll get a lot of pressure from, I think, black women.
	I think there's a push to have a black woman in that position.
	Oh, interesting.
	So it'll be fun to watch how that one shifts out.
	Pardon the pun.
	Karen Bass probably won't want to leave mayor of LA to take that seat.
	She won't take it.
	Do we know anything about Governor Kevin Stitt?
	Oklahoma, right?
	Yeah.
	Is he any good?
	Anything bad?
	Nothing I know of.
	I know his re-election was kind of a surprise.
	There were polls saying, like, oh, he might be in trouble in a red state, but he ended up winning anyway, so I don't know much about him, no.
	Jeff?
	No, but I'll check him out.
	I saw the email.
	Check him out and then tell him it has to be earlier.
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	Got to talk about your congressman.
	We got some scary, scary news when it comes to his potential promotion.
	But before that, If you'll indulge, because I know he's a friend of mine, and I know he's a guest on your show.
	Not Adam Schiff.
	Joel Pollock of Breitbart has written this article about Schiff, and it's about the latest Twitter drop.
	In September 2019, Adam Schiff announced that his committee had reached an agreement with the quote-unquote impeachment whistleblower, who allegedly filed a complaint about President Trump's phone call with the Ukrainian president to testify in his inquiry, which became the impeachment investigation.
	But Schiff never produced the whistleblower and later claimed falsely that the whistleblower had a right to anonymity.
	An investigative reporter by the name of Sperry, Paul Sperry, was then targeted by Schiff because Sperry revealed the fake whistleblower's name.
	CIA analyst, everybody, are you listening out there in the swamp?
	Eric Chiaramella!
	Yes, we are going to say his name.
	However, we now know that Twitter cancelled Sperry's account on the say-so of Adam Schiff.
	Is this news, tell me, is there going to be any consequences, or is he really going to become Senator Schiff?
	He gets away with everything.
	You know, they used to call Reagan the Teflon president, and Bill Clinton as well, right?
	He was Teflon, he got away with everything.
	Adam Schiff is coded in Teflon, Seb.
	I think he's made of Teflon.
	He's made of something, I'll tell you that.
	Do not make me laugh.
	He talks a lot about that too.
	Do not make me laugh when I'm drinking my water from my Stay Frosty Tumblr live on radio.
	That is scary.
	I wanted to see it go through your nose holes like when we were kids, you know?
	This Adam Schiff tells people lies to their face.
	He lies to members of the government.
	He lies to his constituents.
	He lies to social media.
	It's all he does, I think.
	I'm not sure if he ever tells the truth.
	And no one seems to care.
	And in California, it is shockingly scary that he doesn't have a serious challenger.
	So tell us about this latest development with the upper house of Congress.
	So he wants to now that he's no longer going to be heading up his Intel committee.
	I mean, his committee assignments were ridiculous.
	He should have been stripped away.
	And maybe Kevin McCarthy made that promise.
	And we see what happens.
	Maybe that will happen.
	But the scuttlebutt has been that he is, as I said, on Dianne Feinstein's Senate seat.
	Dianne Feinstein, as you know, has been in questionable health.
	She's, I think, 88, something like that, 86 maybe.
	And she has two more years left in her term.
	So it's possible he just runs straight out for her seat because I can't imagine she's going to run for another six-year term.
	But it's Washington, D.C.
	These people stuff themselves and go back.
	Yeah, but she looks so decrepit, Jen.
	Her memory, they say, even Democrats are saying that she's asking for security briefings like three times a day because she keeps forgetting the information that she's got.
	So I don't know if she even makes it to the end of her term.
	I think that Newsom, Gavin Newsom, our governor, would be very, he loves to appoint people.
	He's appointed his own secretary of state.
	He's appointed Alex Padilla, who's now the senator of California after Kamala Harris went to be vice president.
	He loves to do this.
	And I think he would be inclined to appoint Adam Schiff because there is this underbelly swamp where they all scratch each other's back.
	And I think it's very likely that Adam Schiff would be put on the short list, at least, of people that Newsom would Would put into that spot.
	I do think, however, that there is going to be a lot of pushback.
	Newsom got a lot of pressure to put in a Latino, a male, basically a Latino guy, Alex Padilla, into that spot.
	I think there's going to be a lot of pressure to put a black woman into the spot because Kamala Harris is now serving as vice president.
	I think there's going to be some box checking that Gavin Newsom will have to dance around.
	And is there a lucky person who would get it instead of Schiff?
	You know, there's probably a short list.
	I'd have to go through and see who I think might be the most likely.
	But I do think there's going to be some pressure.
	I think right now, however, odds on favorite is Adam Schiff, especially if it's something quiet where Feinstein just kind of bows out.
	I think he slips right in and nobody will even question it.
	Blows my mind.
	Blows my mind.
	How this guy gets away with it, he is just constantly spewing hot air and nothing ever happens to him.
	He's lying.
	Yeah, he's absolutely lying to people over and over again.
	Unbelievable.
	Let's have some fun.
	I don't believe this is the first time you tell this to me because I can't believe something this racist was actually created.
	What is a feather alert, Jennifer Horne?
	Would you agree, because I live here so I feel a little jaded, but would you agree that California is probably the most woke state, if not the most, one of the most woke states in the country?
	Yeah, it's got to be California or Seattle.
	Like Hawaii, probably.
	Hawaii, yeah.
	So here in California, I thought this was a joke.
	I thought I was reading something from Babylon Bee or The Onion when this first kind of sprung up a couple of weeks ago.
	In California, new laws in place.
	One of the newest is called the Feather Alert System.
	And that is when indigenous people... Is that like when you're allergic to them and they're in your pillow?
	My daughter can't have a down pillow.
	Right, you gotta go with Mike Lindell's patented fill technology.
	You can't go with the feather because you're allergic.
	That's what we're talking about, right?
	Feather alert in this hotel.
	Feather alert.
	We're talking about Indians, Zeb.
	I'm thinking a reference to an old headdress, maybe.
	I don't know.
	This system, I mean, you have to ask yourself, how?
	Does this happen in California?
	You get the little pun there?
	So California used the word, oh dear, you're so naughty, used the phrase feather alert in reference to Native Americans?
	Yeah, missing, as they say, indigenous people.
	When they go missing, they're going to have the feather alert system.
	Now, people in Sacramento, God love these people.
	They must have sat around.
	They get offended by everything.
	How was someone not offended by the term feather alert in describing missing Native Americans?
	Has anybody been fined?
	Is it stunning?
	No, I don't think so.
	I think if, you know, if the left comes up with it, I guess it's not racist.
	But if, let me tell you, if this was Trump's system to find indigenous people in Alaska, they would have him hung up by his toenails by now.
	It's just, it's insane.
	And how it happens here, I don't know.
	Not the most serious new law, though.
	No, clearly not.
	But perfect, perfect for California.
	It's the one.
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	Lefties not get annoyed at this feather thing?
	Isn't that funny?
	No one said a word about it.
	I don't even think... conservative media is talking about it.
	Well, our show and Red State talking about the feather alert.
	But how ridiculous is that?
	Please tell me she's not going to be senator.
	He's going to be senator probably.
	Oh my gosh.
	I know.
	Can you imagine that guy sitting in the Senate?
	Six years at a crack.
	Ugh.
	Man.
	All right.
	Well, Ro Khanna's in the house already.
	Yeah, he is.
	Well, they both are.
	He and Schiff are both in the house.
	Yeah, but Schiff's got seniority over him, big time.
	I'd rather have Ro Khanna as a senator, to be honest with you.
	Eric, I don't have your mic up.
	You can ask her again if you want.
	Oh, say it again.
	I didn't hear you.
	What?
	I didn't hear Eric.
	What did he say?
	He said Ro Khanna.
	Oh, yeah.
	Ro Khanna would be a better senator, but it won't happen.
	Adam Schiff's way too dialed in with Newsom.
	Totally.
	Totally.
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	So I got some interesting comments in our rumble chat updating on the speakers race.
	They're claiming that apparently Charlie Kirk has been going off on Steve Scalise, claiming he'd be even swampier than McCarthy.
	What?
	That's what they're saying in the chat, yeah.
	Who?
	Charlie Kirk.
	Geoff, what are you gonna listen to on the drive home today?
	I don't know why, what do you want?
	Can you listen to Charlie Kirk and find out what's going on?
	Yeah.
	Okay, thank you.
	They're, uh, yeah, they're saying Charlie Kirk- And can you start trolling left-wingers again?
	Can you just start calling up their show?
	Because that makes for good content.
	We like that, Geoff.
	Oh my gosh!
	Have you got that thing?
	Can you get that buffer up?
	Let me see, I think I have it.
	What about the last guy that went to the speaker's office illegally?
	In the NGL for like four years?
	Yes!
	The difference clearly, Geoff, is McCarthy wasn't rude enough to put his feet up on the desk, obviously.
	That letter was so good.
	Alright, I'm gonna read that letter.
	Squatter.
	Gates is just becoming a total chat.
	I love it.
	Oh, what's this?
	Concealed carry in the chat says ZeroHedge says Trump has now dumped McCarthy.
	Is that true?
	Let me check zero hedge.
	Oh, hang on.
	This is from Tyler Durden.
	He writes everything there.
	Um...
	Is this an official statement or is this photoshopped?
	You gotta go to his true social and verify it.
	Who, who, who?
	Trump's true social.
	Yeah, ZeroHedge claims that Trump has just unendorsed McCarthy.
	Let me see true social.
	Alright, check it, that's big news.
	Yeah, if true, if true.
	Hang on, I'm scrolling.
	Alright, but I'm gonna use, I'm gonna talk about that Matt Gaetz letter.
	I don't see anything on his true social that's right it would
	I don't
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	There's so much always going on.
	I forget stuff and I get reminded.
	Thanks to my team.
	Eric has this image that I have to share with you.
	Absolutely shocking.
	Matt Gates posted this everywhere yesterday.
	This is a letter to the architect of the Capitol.
	Very short.
	Let me just read it to you.
	The Honorable J. Brett Blanton.
	Dear Mr. Blanton, I write to inform you that the Speaker of the House Office, located in the U.S.
	Capitol Building, is currently occupied by Representative Kevin McCarthy.
	As of this morning, the 117th Congress adjourned sine die, that's a Latin technical term, and a speaker from the 118th Congress has not been elected.
	After three undeciding votes, no member can lay claim to this office.
	What is the basis in law, House rule, or precedent to allow someone who has placed second in three successive Speaker elections to occupy the Speaker of the House office?
	How long will Kevin McCarthy remain there before he is considered a squatter?
	Please write back promptly, as it seems Mr. McCarthy can no longer be considered speaker-designate following today's balloting.
	Sincerely, Matt Gaetz, Member of Congress.
	What the hell is going on?
	Kevin McCarthy is in the Speaker's offices?
	Oh, and by the way, Mr. G reminded me of something.
	Mr. G, what did you remind me of happened exactly two years ago this Friday?
	Yeah, the last person that went to that office illegally, how many years did they get in prison?
	Like four years or something, right?
	Yeah, something ridiculous for putting his feet up on the desk.
	So maybe the Sergeant-at-Arms should arrest Kevin McCarthy.
	Maybe he won't win the next election for Speaker then.
	Bloomin' outrageous.
	Who do these people think they are?
	All right.
	Had to do that.
	All right.
	Move the camera again.
	You've done it again.
	You blocked my view of the telescreen for the phones.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Have I got anything to read here?
	No, we're good.
	We've done my pillow.
	Let's go all the way to San Jose.
	That even rhymes.
	Eric, line one.
	Gorka, Gorka, how are you?
	Good.
	Great.
	Hey, this is kind of a rhetorical question for you.
	At what point will we get I don't understand the question.
	You're not being clear.
	a professional wall.
	People, that is, who interact in the system, like in healthcare, et cetera, et cetera, with illegal immigrants in need are required to call a number to do mandated deportation.
	I don't understand the question.
	You're not being clear.
	Okay.
	Will we get to a point, and at what point does it have to get to, to require professionals who interface illegal immigrants?
	What is professionals who interface illegally?
	I don't understand what that means.
	Healthcare professionals, for example, doctors.
	Yeah, what about them?
	What have healthcare professionals got to do with deportation?
	Okay, we lost him.
	However, it reminds me of what I just received via text from one of our most important listeners out there.
	She knows who she is.
	She shares the following with me.
	At an event five or six years ago, Kevin McCarthy was present.
	Pay attention.
	Pay attention to this.
	This is hot off the presses.
	During the question and answer session, somebody asked McCarthy what he thought of the E-Verify system that makes sure illegals aren't working in American businesses.
	Kevin McCarthy trashed E-Verify.
	At that moment, I realized all he cares about is doing the bidding of his corporate donors who also want cheap illegal labor.
	That is from an unimpeachable source I trust implicitly.
	If that's the case, Kevin, you are not the right man.
	And you are weak.
	And you are prepared to do the bidding of the swamp.
	Thank you to my source there for sharing that with me.
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	Yeah, Zero Hedge just retracted Zero Hedge just retracted it.
	They posted a picture of the statement, then they retracted it.
	That's why Zero Hedge is such... UGH!
	It misspelled Donald's name.
	It called him Brian Donalds.
	And they're not an... they're not an... idiots.
	I want to like some of their content, but yeah, they're on the front page.
	But you can't!
	The rest of the content is undermined when you're an idiot and you post stuff like that.
	That's unverified.
	Yeah.
	One of our listeners calls what's going on in Congress right now.
	Game of Thrones without the blood or guts.
	I like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this is...
	Oof.
	That is creepy.
	How creepy is that?
	What music did Alex just play?
	Uh-oh.
	This is when you know that, you know, AI has gone, you know, what is it?
	Starsky and Hutch?
	What is, uh...
	What's the thing from Terminator?
	Oh, Skynet?
	When Skynet goes sentient.
	You just played the Starsky and Hutch music, and I opened Facebook and it's... Starsky and Hutch.
	That is scary.
	That is scary.
	You want the mics on or off?
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	I don't believe... It's not Friday, Eric, is it?
	It's not Friday?
	But there's something big happening very soon, is there not?
	As always, the annual SHOT Show.
	The biggest convocation for the gun industry of those who believe in the first right that makes all others possible.
	It's the NSSF's SHOT Show in Vegas.
	And as usual, we shall be broadcasting America First from the floor of the biggest gun event in the world.
	And we are delighted to have with us the man who is responsible for it all, the President and CEO of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, Joe Bartosi, welcome back to America First!
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	It's great to be here.
	Thanks for having me.
	So last year, people were kind of a little bit, you know, trepidatious.
	COVID, post-COVID.
	I said, nah, this is the gun industry.
	We had some snowflakes.
	Really disappointing, big gun manufacturers said, oh, no, we're not going.
	We're afraid.
	But I went, and it was amazing.
	It was a great, great turnout, despite all the hysteria over the Wu flu.
	It's got to be even more exciting.
	Tell us how the preparations are coming along for SHOT Show, Joe.
	Yeah, it's going really well.
	You know, for your viewers, this is a 12-month-out-of-the-year event for us, even though it's four days in January.
	For us, it starts before we even leave Vegas for the following year.
	So, this is the culmination of 12 months of hard work.
	We've got some great So that's it.
	If you were late to the game as a manufacturer, you're done.
	But we got great registration numbers coming in, great exhibitor numbers.
	We're completely sold out on our show floor.
	So that's a really-- So that's it.
	If you were late to the game as a manufacturer, you're done.
	You're toast.
	Yeah, you're out because there's just simply no more room Well, that's great news.
	By the way, for those who aren't familiar, let's show some B-roll while we're talking to Joe.
	This isn't a convention, okay?
	You go to a convention, maybe a couple of thousand people.
	This It is literally gargantuan.
	It's like Godzilla.
	I mean, you don't have time.
	You can spend weeks there, if it were that long, walking along and trying to see everything.
	Absolutely humanly impossible.
	And it's a good thing you can't buy anything there, because if I had a credit card, I would be bankrupt by the end of the first day.
	Give us some figures for past SHOT shows.
	How many exhibitors?
	What kind of, you know, number of people going through?
	Just give our, we've got three million listeners across the country.
	Give them a sense of Just how big this is, Joe?
	Well, in a general sense, we cover about 800,000 square feet, which is about 15 miles worth of aisle space, just walking up and down the show floor.
	We get about between 50 and 60,000 attendees every year.
	Some years it's a little bit more.
	Last year was a little bit less for the reasons you already mentioned.
	But it is an exciting thing.
	It's a trade event, so it's not open to consumers.
	So the folks that are there are buyers, Media, exhibitors, professionals in our industry, plus law enforcement and military buyers from all over the world.
	We have folks from over 100 different countries coming in and about 2,500 exhibitors in total.
	So it's a huge event.
	It's a trade business-to-business event.
	And it is, as you say, the largest of its kind in the world.
	Yeah, and before it all starts, if you're media, don't call me a journalist.
	I don't like that.
	But if you're media, you get to go to the media day before the show.
	Jeff, my producer, is going to come with me.
	And you get to try stuff out on the range.
	You know, cool stuff.
	Machine guns, 50 cows, stuff like that.
	Some press stuff.
	Amazingly exciting.
	So we're going to be broadcasting from there.
	Do not miss a millisecond of our SHOT Show broadcast.
	Let's talk about the state of the industry.
	We had record numbers for the last three or four years.
	I think 35 million new gun owners in America, which is great.
	The family is expanding more and more.
	What kind of things are you excited about, concerned about?
	We know this brace registration or ban is potentially around the corner.
	Talk to us about things, news in the industry, Joe.
	Well, I think the good news, as you said, there's a number of first-time gun owners, which is great.
	It does expand our tent and not just expand it in terms of the same old demographics like myself.
	We have more African-Americans than ever exercising their Second Amendment rights, more Asian-Americans, more Latinos.
	I mean, this is a complete rainbow coalition, if you will, of folks that realizing, accepting and embracing their Second Amendment rights.
	I think it's a wonderful thing.
	You know, what we're seeing in the industry right now is I think that the huge surge in the last couple of years is starting to what we would call normalize.
	But the new normal is still substantially higher than the typical normal that we've seen over the years.
	In my 35 years in the industry, there's always going through these cycles.
	But this is the highest, I think, sustained number we've seen in probably a decade.
	And I expect the numbers to remain strong, especially with regard to ammunition sales.
	I think that's going to be strong going out the rest of this year for sure.
	I mean, 23 for sure.
	Anything you're excited about?
	I'm a big 10 millimeter guy.
	We're seeing when it comes to ammunition, the commercialization of polymer cases as well.
	Is there something that you're excited to see be developed more in the industry?
	We've got some new calibers coming out.
	You know, Sammy's introduced a couple of new calibers.
	The 30 carry, I think that's an interesting thing.
	Obviously, the polymer case demo is fascinating to me from a technical perspective, so I'm kind of curious to see how that goes, and I think, you know, with the weight reduction and so forth, there's a lot of merit to that.
	You know, I'm a shotgun guy, so I kind of like to see what's new in the shotgun world.
	Are you a skeet guy or a wildfowl guy?
	What kind of aspect is shotguns?
	All of the above.
	Quail hunting to trap shooting to sporting clays to ducks and geese.
	Whatever flies, I'm after it, man.
	Yeah, that's the fancy gun community, alright?
	When they go burn out.
	That's the fancy stuff.
	Give me a tin can and a .22 and I'm happy.
	But that's why he's the president's CEO.
	He is Joe Bartosi.
	It's NSF.org.
	NSSF.org.
	The National Shooting Sports Foundation.
	Can't wait to see you.
	Maybe we can get a little interview with you on the floor of the show.
	What do you think, Joe?
	Be glad to do it.
	Let me know, man.
	I'll be there for sure.
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	Third hour is very, very special.
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	We've been listening to Hugh Hewitt in the morning, Bash Mat Gates, and I've had a bad case of the Blue Hugh Flu, and you're giving me relief.
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	I think it's good for the country to have this debate.
	I think that Matt Gaetz said, you know what, don't try to drain the swamp by putting the head alligator in charge.
	I'm cheering you on and cheering Matt Gaetz on.
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	And that press conference that Matt gave where he said, we have been threatened Threatened to be pulled off our committees if we don't vote for Kevin.
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	I can solve this whole speaker thing.
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	Some guests you just can't get enough of, especially when they're outspoken and they know of what they speak.
	He is known already for giving seven-hour, eight-hour interviews in Twitter spaces.
	We are delighted to have Mike Benz back with us for one-on-one.
	Mike, welcome back to America First.
	Sebastian, thank you so much for having me.
	I'm excited to continue our deep dive.
	So am I, so am I. So you have reinvented yourself recently.
	You are the founder, you are the head of something called the Foundation for Freedom Online.
	I want everybody who is listening right now to go to foundationforfreedom.com and also to follow Mike because he is a treasure trove of information.
	It's MikeBenzCyber on Twitter.
	That's MikeBenzCyber on Twitter.
	For those who missed our last chat, just very quickly to get the credentialing out of the way, What did you do in... So you're an attorney by training.
	Now you're fighting for freedom for the First Amendment on the online world in which so many of us spend far too much of our time.
	But what were your positions?
	What were you doing inside government, Mike, until recently?
	Sure.
	So before I founded the Foundation for Freedom Online, I was the I ran basically the cyber portfolio at the State Department.
	So the technical name was Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Communications and Information Technology, which is a long way of saying I ran three different divisions at the State Department responsible for various aspects of U.S.
	cyber policy on the global stage.
	That is, the formulation of policy, the negotiation and implementation.
	And then prior to that, I was a White House speechwriter and worked particularly on tech issues there as well.
	So let me ask a very basic question.
	What does the State Department have to do with cyber?
	Because if you say cyber, from the layman's perspective, you think of cybercrime and you think of cyberwarfare.
	Neither of those apply to the State Department.
	You think of, oh, social media, the internet.
	Well, for the State Department, that must be public diplomacy.
	That must be, quote-unquote, the selling of the brand that is America.
	So give us the actual truth about how your work, what cyber means inside the domain of the State Department.
	Right, so you would think that would be the case, but actually what the State Department represents is the aggregation of assets at the disposal of the United States government for purposes of not just statecraft, but as it applies to advancing the national interest, so to speak, and foreign policy abroad
	Impact is a function of domestic policy in each of the countries that we operate in or that we seek to influence.
	And so you actually find domestic politics of every country around the world is a part of the strategic chessboard of everyone's portfolio beyond a certain level at state.
	And so on the cyber aspect, What you have are these U.S.
	tech companies who are essentially instruments of statecraft.
	Google, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, these are all soft power projection mechanisms for the U.S.
	State Department to be able to advance the national interest both at a bilateral level with every individual country and then also on a regional level with respect to, say, Europe or Near East Asia or you name the country.
	So obviously tech companies play a huge role in our capacity to create a political environment that is advantageous to American interests abroad.
	The problem is, is after 2016, those weapons of soft power influence abroad began being turned inward, not to stop foreign fascism or foreign communism, but to stop domestic populism.
	All right.
	Well, we'll get to that.
	And that's why this discussion is so very, very important.
	What happened in 2015 and why 2015?
	But for those who aren't familiar, who haven't worked in government, what Mike is describing is perhaps a little bit of a surprise, that when it comes to coordinating matters to do with national security and foreign policy, there is a preeminence given to the State Department.
	One very weird example of this, that when you are in country, the mission team is run by the ambassador, who is a civilian, who is often a political appointee, a former donor, or sometimes a career diplomat.
	And even if you are the defense attaché, if you are a military team that is deployed to that country, for example, to help train a partner nation's military, you are actually under the command of the ambassador of the civilian.
	So this first among equals principle applies very, very much to the State Department's role as the chief coordinator and, of course, because the given ambassador is the president's representative to the given country.
	Sounds a bit weird, but what Mike is saying is absolutely right.
	So, give us an example, staying in the open source, unclassified domain.
	At your position, running cyber for the State Department, what kinds of issues on an average day would you have to be grappling with, Mike?
	Sure.
	So, a recent example that I talked about was, you know, I would get a call from Google lobbyists about what Europe was doing with respect to the GDPR laws around data privacy.
	Explain what that is, GDPR laws.
	Yes, so there's essentially data privacy laws that were passed in Europe because Europe takes a much more aggressive regulatory approach to protecting the privacy of EU citizens against bulk collection by tech companies and the use of personal data for everything from advertising to any number of other purposes.
	The issue is that monopoly over data is basically the oil, so to speak, of Google and Facebook and other large U.S.
	tech companies.
	When Europe says we're going to restrict access to European citizens' data, that means Google now has an existential threat to its bottom line because it will not have a competitive advantage over other companies operating in Europe If Google is not allowed to have the same level of its data monopoly.
	So Google would call people like me at my desk to say, hey, you're going into negotiations with Europe next week.
	We want you to do this, this and this.
	And my role essentially is being the cyber DAS there.
	People at the State Department see things strategically as being a sort of I don't want to say favors for favors, but it is essentially a U.S.
	champions.
	When we do well for U.S.
	champions internationally and represent them effectively to, say, Europe or China or Latin America, then in turn, jobs and economic and political dividends accrue to the American people because what is The advantages that U.S.
	companies get should basically trickle down, in a sense, to U.S.
	citizens.
	The problem is, this social contract was broken for basically the first time in American history after the events of 2016.
	Which is to say, if Exxon and Chevron were to ask for favors from the U.S.
	State Department for oil rights in Mexico or Canada, Exxon and Chevron wouldn't then turn around and say, well, if you voted for Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders or a populist person, we're not going to sell you that gas.
	This relationship of the government doing favors for big corporations was supposed to help all Americans, not only the half of Americans who voted for government and then discriminate against the other half.
	So we're now in a sort of ...philosophical freefall as we are having to renegotiate the founding principles of the 1947 National Security Act now that the social contract implicit to that has been broken.
	And how did they, when you were in that position as the DAS at State responsible for cyber, how did they treat you?
	What was that relationship like with the big tech giants?
	Well, they presuppose the answer would always be yes, you know, and I've mentioned this before, you know, the gentleman who is at my desk before me, I was very nice guy, very skilled, competent, you know, diplomat, and But his job right after was to make essentially a million dollars a year as a base salary working as a Google lobbyist.
	So there's a revolving door, a sort of expectations that you will always say yes to Google at the State Department, that you will always say yes to Facebook and the big tech companies.
	And in response, you do well for the private sector.
	When you go into the private sector, you will be amply rewarded.
	Now, I do not follow that path because I've got what I consider to be Don't be shy Mike!
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	All right, let's talk about this seminal moment, Mike, this switch where everything turned inwards in 2015 or 2016.
	So I'll just, I'll boulderize what you said and then I want you to fill in, you know, the colors to, you know, give us the flesh on the bone.
	There's this thing that you talk about the foreign policy establishment that is bipartisan, it's kind of the uniparty as Bannon would call it, and they had a mission over years and perhaps decades working hand-in-glove with Soros Foundations, the Open Society, the Ford Foundation, Ned and others, where they were fighting for
	Quote-unquote democracy abroad, which meant targeting populists, the likes of Orbán, the likes of probably Modi, they probably hated Modi, Nigel Farage, and so on.
	And then, talk to us about that, what the foreign policy amoeba is, and then explain what they decided to do in 2015 and why.
	Right.
	So there was a saying in this country for a long time, I'm sure it's still said, I just haven't heard it in a while, but that's that politics stops at the water's edge.
	This idea that Americans may have our disagreements about domestic policy, but when we look across the Atlantic or the Pacific, Politics ends at home.
	We're always united on foreign policy.
	The so-called Washington consensus on foreign policy that effectively existed from Truman until Trump.
	More than just the unity on foreign policy, the other thing that phrase delineated was, if you're abroad, if you're the president, the secretary of state, or the defense minister, You don't slag off and criticize your opposition party at home.
	If you're a Republican in London, you don't say bad things about the Democrats that are domestic politics.
	And likewise, if you're a Democrat president, you don't do that about Republicans.
	And that, to a greater or lesser extent until recently, was in fact adhered to.
	Right, right.
	No, that's exactly right.
	We are a world empire.
	We've been a world empire since 1898, essentially, at the end of the Spanish-American War.
	The high standard of living that we have is partially a function of America creating much of the world in our image, so to speak, through our diplomatic and soft power influence projection during the 20th century.
	This was reflected in sort of Cold War advancements from, say, the 1940s to the 1980s, and then this sort of real consolidation of the bipartisan foreign policy elite during the Reagan era when you had this sort of confluence of the open society folks and then this sort of real consolidation of the bipartisan foreign policy elite during the Reagan era when you had this sort of confluence of the open society folks from George
	Reflected in a sort of foreign policy, which was that if we could open up other countries and then create markets for American goods, American services, American jobs, then sort of the left-wing flank of the foreign policy establishment would get then sort of the left-wing flank of the foreign policy establishment would get all the benefits from, say, their roles in financiers because they would get tons of dividends on investments in emerging markets as well as
	And then you had a lot of foreign policy speculation, which is what Soros and Bill Browder and tons of other sort of Wall Street London folks took advantage of.
	And meanwhile, you had, on the Republican side of the foreign policy establishment, you had a lot of these legacy blue-chip corporations and the actually, you know, Making being able to outsource jobs, being able to have new markets for their products, being able to have favorable tariff or tax relations because of State Department pressure.
	So you had you had stakeholders on both sides of the political aisle making money hand over fist on American foreign policy.
	And all of this was totally unchallenged until the populist wave, starting in the 90s, but really in 2016, when Americans started to question, hey, is outsourcing jobs actually good for us?
	Is it actually good for us when Nike makes their shoes in Latin America or when Apple makes its phones in China?
	Is there actually that trickle-down benefits to the domestic population when the foreign policy establishment gets rich off State Department policies?
	And when you started to have populists from both the left and the right challenge that, through folks like Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn in the U.S.
	and the U.K., and folks like Trump and Nigel Farage in the U.S.
	and U.K.
	on the right-hand side, what you had was this sort of neoliberal panic attack, that populism was going to potentially vote the foreign policy establishment out of power, and no matter how many newspapers they controlled, no matter how many Hollywood productions they threw, no matter how much money they threw at John McCain types, that it still would not overwhelm the masses of people who were getting their education from the internet.
	It was at that moment that they essentially applied The Department of Dirty Tricks that was used abroad during the Cold War to say, buy off newspapers in France or Italy or to, you know, create their own independent media ecosystem and censor insurgency movements abroad.
	They took that same doctrine and applied it domestically in order to politically neutralize the right and left flanks.
	This is a massive accusation.
	So let's stop here for a second.
	And this is the real value of what you illuminate for us.
	So let's be very clear what we're discussing.
	There was a consensus.
	I mean, when you had the left and the right agree, I mean, the left would buy into Kissinger's argument, for example, on China.
	If you economically liberalize, then there will be democracy in China, which has of course turned out to be utterly fallacious.
	But that's why Google goes and, you know, gets in bed with the Communist Party of China and says, oh, you want the Internet censored?
	If you put in Tiananmen Square, you won't find anything.
	This is the reality.
	Then you have this rise of those who say, hang on, what about America for Americans, meaning jobs, meaning secure border, meaning, you know, not spending money to secure other nations, but perhaps securing us first.
	And also it's the rise of left and right.
	It's Bernie Sanders.
	It's Trump, the sides of the same coin.
	However, here's the point that you're making.
	During the Cold War, we actually had John Solomon made this on my show every year and it shocked me when it when a man is as cold and calm and collected as John said this.
	The propaganda machinery of the Cold War that was used against foreign enemies was turned in against Americans to deal with the threats to the establishment, not the threat to America.
	The threat to the elites of the rise of populism a la Brexit, a la Trump, a la Bernie Sanders.
	Bernie Sanders bored off, as it seems, by the whole superdelegate machinations of Hillary and then him endorsing her afterwards.
	But then Trump, Trump actually surprises them and wins.
	So this is the point at which I'm going to ask you, what is the evidence, and you're going to give it to me because I know you've got the receipts, of how this machinery was pointed inward against Americans?
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	All right, so here I want to get some pay dirt from you, Mike.
	I need you to Back up as only you can.
	The truth, you know, the evidence for the rotation of the turrets, the gun turrets were moved from foreign enemies who are populist to domestic enemies like Trump and MAGA and America First.
	How do we know this happened after 16, 17 and 18?
	Sure, and we could spend five hours on this alone, but just to try to tell it as linearly as possible.
	And let me just preface by saying, I do not opine on substantive foreign policy issues other than, you know, my mission is censorship and digital freedom.
	And so when I talk about things, as I'm going to here, about the events in Ukraine or dynamics around Russia or whatnot, this is not to make an opinion one way or the other about that.
	I leave that to other folks.
	I'm simply going to explain essentially what happened and how this was turned inward.
	So, you had the events in Ukraine in 2014, where... Sorry, I've got to jump in, because my listeners are going to go mad.
	I would say America is not an empire, or at least if it is, it's a very unusual one, because other empires control the territory they invade.
	We allow the Iraqis, the Afghans, to pick their own leaders, and then we leave.
	So, if it's an empire, it's a very, very different kind of empire, but I just wanted to make that footnote.
	Talk about the events in Ukraine, Mike.
	Yeah.
	So you had this Crimea referendum in 2014 that created response from the U.S. and NATO folks around this threat of what was initially called the Gerasimov Doctrine, a term essentially coined by a frequent a term essentially coined by a frequent NATO sort of thought leader, Mark Gagliotti.
	The Gerasimov Doctrine was this idea that Russia was using information warfare in order to influence the hearts and minds of folks in Central and Eastern Europe and was sort of using Internet propaganda and whatnot to do that.
	And this Internet propaganda was propping up right-wing populist parties in Central and Eastern Europe that were, say, Russia sympathizers.
	So the Gerasimov Doctrine gave rise to this sort of Pentagon-NATO doctrine called hybrid warfare, the idea that war has moved Almost totally into this sub-kinetic political hearts and minds thing, because... Non-physical, okay?
	He's using fancy language.
	Not bullets and bombs, but, you know, bites and bits.
	Right.
	The idea that rather than defeating a country militarily, if you simply can change the political leadership, they will then change the foreign policy and the military posture for you.
	So there was this sort of perceived threat that Russia was applying this hybrid warfare doctrine in Europe from 2014 to 2016 and propping up a lot of the, at the time, right-wing populist parties that were reacting to what was termed the migrant crisis with sort of a large influx of migration into southern Europe and then matriculating into the politics.
	There was a sort of right-wing populist revolution in Europe at the time, and because those entities as populists tended to have economic positions where they, say, wanted normalized relations with Russia over to have cheap gas for lower- and middle-income wanted normalized relations with Russia over to have cheap gas for lower- and middle-income folks, this created a split with foreign policy establishment there, but it didn't really hit the gas until the Brexit
	When Brexit happened, there was a panic that this hybrid warfare doctrine, which was somewhat contained to Ukraine and the Baltics and somewhat Germany, had now spread all the way to the UK and was impacting the...
	The EU itself, and the threat at the time was that Brexit was going to give rise to Frexit in France with Marine Le Pen and her national front party there, with Matteo Salvini in Italy is going to give rise to Italexit, within Greece it would give rise to Grexit, and that the entire EU would break apart and that NATO would break apart.
	This panic basically set off at the Warsaw Conference in July 2016 a new authorization for NATO to formally basically deploy funds and infrastructure for hybrid warfare.
	And they set up these hybrid COEs, centers of excellence.
	This will come back into the story because what you'll find is the top thought leadership and censorship professionals in the U.S. censorship industry all had early starts in this 2014 to 2016 hybrid COE infrastructure.
	For example, Nina Jankovic, who was the head of the so-called Disinformation Governance Board for a time before that was paused, came from this same Central and Eastern Europe hybrid warfare network.
	Ben Nimmo, who basically was the lead operative For the Atlantic Council Digital Forensics Research Lab and Grafica, who are two of the biggest heavyweight hitters in the censorship industry, and who now leads Facebook's global threat detection team, the top censorship team at Twitter.
	He also came from that same cell.
	So did Applebomb.
	So did a lot of these folks who are sort of high-level censorship Implementers or thought leaders all come from that early infrastructure that was set up.
	But when the Trump vote happened in 2016, it became the US.
	Let's pause there for a second because we've got phase one.
	That's very clear.
	Phase one that's focused on the abroad, on Brexit, on Ukraine.
	Then we're going to go to phase two when it comes internally.
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	Right, so we've got the external, we've got the triggering effects of Ukraine as was.
	We've got the Brexit vote where British people quote-unquote voted the wrong way.
	They voted for independence and sovereignty and they had to be punished.
	NATO creates these centres of excellence for really what?
	Hybrid warfare is garbage.
	The idea that, you know, this new idea that nations are susceptible to non-kinetic things.
	Yeah, that's been around since Sun Tzu.
	But the idea that NATO wakes up to information warfare in a newly PC packaged version, that's what we get in 16.
	Now talk to us about phase 2, Mike.
	How do we see it occurring here in America for domestic political purposes?
	Right.
	So when the Trump election happened in November 2016, immediately RussiaGate kicked into effect well before he even took office.
	And in fact, the RussiaGate narratives were seeded actually in August 2016, actually pre-election, and it wasn't until he won the election that it really kicked into gear.
	But between November 2016 and January 2017, you had all of this infrastructure, essentially from the Ukraine response in NATO, sort of transfer over to the to the U.S. side at the early level in order to come up with a sort of response to Russian interference in the 2016 election.
	And organizationally, where's the center of gravity?
	What are the entities that become the drivers of domestic information warfare against American citizens?
	Sure.
	So the Atlantic Council is, I think, a representative group here because the Atlantic Council is NATO, is sort of known as NATO's think tank.
	And it's a bipartisan, you know, and until the events of 2016, it was not a particularly controversial, you know, think tank in the sense that it was it was bipartisan.
	It sort of represented both the U.S.
	and Europe.
	But because of this threat of populism, now at the time, NATO in January 2017 was publishing letters in its own journals describing populism as being the single biggest threat to NATO solidarity, even more than Russian aggression, because the political implications of people voting the wrong way in the US and in 20 different European parliamentary elections.
	So, for example, the Atlantic Council is deeply connected to both the national security state and to political operatives, both in the Democrat Party and in the Republican foreign policy establishment.
	So a good example is the Atlantic Council has seven living former CIA directors currently on its board.
	By the way, I'm not making a judgment about the Atlantic Council You know, qua the Atlantic Council, particularly, I'm talking about its censorship division called the Digital Forensics Research Lab.
	I have friends at the Atlantic Council.
	They're very fine people.
	Just run that past me again, you know, the title of that entity, because I did some work for the Atlantic Council over a decade ago.
	Then I realized it was more swampy than anything I'd seen, and I distanced myself from it.
	But what is that disinformation unit?
	Because that has no place in something that's supposed to be promoting The alliance that is NATO.
	Give us that name again.
	It's the Digital Forensics Research Lab.
	And they started out with that.
	That name does not even come close to identifying what they currently do.
	But you have to understand, it grew out of a period in 2015, which is essentially when they were set up, with this idea of identifying, through digital forensics, Russian misinformation on European social media pages.
	That is, if there was a meme or a video that went viral, in say, Moldova, the Digital Forensics Research Lab would do digital forensics on that propaganda to determine whether it was Russian in origin.
	The issue was, is after Trump won the 2016 election, the DFR lab switched to just anything populist, anything pro-Trump, because Trump himself was a puppet of, say, the Russian government's This was the allegation at the time that the 2016 election was swung by Russian social media operations on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube.
	They took that foreign mandate and they redirected it domestically.
	Now, here's an incredible scandal.
	The DFR lab was tapped by the Department of Homeland Security as one of the four formerly partnered disinformation flaggers that they outsource censorship to, and they censored 22 million pro-Trump tweets on Twitter alone in the five months before the 2020 election. and they censored 22 million pro-Trump tweets on Twitter alone So, by the way, they're not even U.S.-based.
	The Atlanta Council DFR lab is London-based, but the U.S. Department of Homeland Security tapped them as it gave them a formal partnership and made them in charge of censoring your opinions in the U.S.-based.
	on mail-in ballots and early voting dropboxes.
	When you say they censored millions of tweets that questioned the integrity of the election, how did they do that?
	Did they tell Twitter to delete things?
	When you say censored, what was the mechanism, Mike?
	Yep, so there were several mechanisms.
	One is they... So, I mean, I'll sort of tell it linearly.
	On September 3rd, 2020, who actually started on June 23rd, 2020, CISA, which is basically the cyber censorship group within DHS, they say they do cybersecurity, but they switched to cyber censorship because they said that posts on the internet are a threat to election security, and we're in charge of cyber.
	So cybersecurity now means cyber censorship.
	So CISA outsourced disinformation flagging to four entities in something called the EIP, the Election Integrity Partnership, which was anchored by the Atlantic Council.
	They were sort of the largest and most salient of the groups in there.
	So what they did is the EIP went around and pressured, and I had them on video on Foundation Freedom Online,
	You'll see all the insider confession videos where they brag about coercing the tech companies to change their censorship policies to add a new term called legitimization or delegitimization, which is that they did this in June 2020, and they formally got all the tech companies, all of them, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram,
	All of them to create a new category called delegitimization, where conservative challenges to the perceived reliability of mail-in votes, early voting drop boxes, ballot tabulation, ballot trafficking, all of those were deemed to be violations of a new terms of service violation called delegitimization, so that
	So that any post that expresses the mildest criticism of voting integrity or voting outcome issues was considered a TOSS violation, a terms of service violation, and would therefore be censored.
	They then turned around and then helped program the artificial intelligence to be able to mask, ban at scale.
	That is, they had keyword searches for all these things to auto-detect and auto-flag as misinformation This is such a deluge of information.
	out these keywords.
	They databased 863 million tweets in just the five months before the 2020 election to do misinformation review because they tripwired a concept, and then 22 of those they flagged as misinformation.
	This is such a deluge of information.
	This is all available at your website, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Foundationforfreedomonline.com.
	So much information.
	Thank you, Mike, for just giving us a flavor.
	I've got a big question left for you.
	Mike Benz, Executive Director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
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	Let me ask you a very pragmatic question.
	I'm going to have to continue this discussion again and again and again.
	If you had to do a targeting map of the people who are the most censorious, the companies that so do not believe in the First Amendment.
	I'm very excited about Elon Musk and what he's doing at Twitter.
	But as far as I'm concerned, Twitter is a trolling platform with a quote-unquote blue checkmark journalist elitist kind of secondary function.
	It's not important.
	If you look at political preferences and distorting elections, Facebook and beyond Facebook, Google and Alphabet when it comes to just manipulating information – So for me it's Google is the worst, then Facebook and Twitter, but you're the guy who is inside the sausage factory.
	Who are the biggest threats?
	How do you rank them?
	Yeah, I put that I actually my list syncs with yours, you know, Google is bar none, you know, that the heavyweight the undisputed heavyweight champion of the censorship space, because it's not just Google, remember that Google is number one by traffic on on the internet.
	Number two by traffic is YouTube, YouTube actually has more traffic than Facebook or any other site.
	And in YouTube is controlled by by Google, then you also have all the ad platforms that are impacted by Google's censorship policies.
	And then you've got Google's massive CSR wing, their corporate social responsibility, which funds everything from the fact checker conglomerates to the censorship news entities.
	Google just did a $13 million major censorship initiative in tandem with basically the U.S.
	State Department and a bunch of British labs that do censorship of conservatives, both in the U.S.
	and U.K., the University of Cambridge Social Media Decision-Making Lab, as well as the University of Bristol.
	Google has tentacles in all of this when it comes to the censorship industry, but they also own the infrastructure.
	When I was at the State Department, I couldn't believe it.
	But, you know, our day one, we were issued Android phones at the State Department.
	Meanwhile, you couldn't even talk on Google properties.
	about the ongoing in-process 2020 election.
	So we were using Google infrastructure while Google was actually at the hardware level, while you couldn't even talk about your own election as an American citizen on Google software.
	So Elon Musk is going to need to ultimately build his own phone.
	He's going to ultimately need to elevate Twitter to the level where it can compete, but it's also going to need to get Google is a government contractor, a major one.
	They do cloud for the intelligence services, for the military.
	They're deeply embedded within the administration of the federal government itself.
	Elon Musk is going to need to essentially do the hard work of making Twitter much, much more than it currently is if he's going to survive the encirclement that is going to come at him before the 2024 election.
	Alright, and last question because it's the one that I always want answered and at least I'm talking to an attorney now.
	You're talking about state censorship.
	You're talking about not just the FBI but the DHS actually censoring information domestically.
	How is any of this legal?
	Do we not have standing as citizens against censorship legally to stop these entities?
	Well, it hasn't been tested yet in court, which is part of the crux of this specific issue.
	For example, the DHS one.
	They know that they were not allowed to do this.
	Let me just be frank.
	Again, FoundationForFreedomOnline.com, we've got insider videos of them literally saying as they were doing this, we don't have the legal authorization to do this.
	This is sort of a gray area.
	We're kind of getting away with it.
	I've got Alex Deimos who ran EIP saying, the federal government, we had a meeting with them, they knew they couldn't do it themselves, so they approached us to fill in the gaps of what they couldn't do directly.
	And then other operatives at EIP saying, well, we've basically created a domestic CIA.
	The CIA is able to influence media abroad, but they can't operate at home.
	The FBI can operate at home, but they can only do it if you're doing something illegal through the Justice Department.
	So we're using DHS to combine basically the foreign power of the CIA with domestic jurisdiction of the FBI.
	She said that at a CISA conference, at a DHS taxpayer-funded conference.
	So all of this needs to be litigated.
	And frankly, there's a lot of damages that should flow back from this for what was done to the American people.
	Well, I don't know why you're doing what you're doing, but it's impressive.
	You're a brave man.
	Not a thousand.
	We need 10,000 Mike Bens out there.
	So I personally, just as an American citizen, not as a show host, not as a former presidential appointee in the White House, I want to thank you, Mike Bens, for telling the truth about what's happening in America.
	Mike Bens, Executive Director, Foundation for Freedom Online, foundationforfreedomonline.com.
	Follow him at MikeBensCyber on Twitter.
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