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Jan. 3, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Is Gingrich right about Kevin McCarthy?

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	We were threatened by my committee chairman to be on the Armed Services Committee, Mr. Rogers, that if we did not vote for Mr. McCarthy, we would be removed from committees.
	Our position is that if Kevin McCarthy is the Speaker of the House and we don't have an ability to ensure that there is oomph behind the agenda and energy behind our oversight, that the committee assignments don't mean that much anyway.
	I'm not here to participate in some puppet show where we pass a bunch of messaging bills, send them to the Senate, watch them die, fail to use leverage, and don't hold the Biden administration accountable.
	I don't want to relive the Benghazi experience where it's just theater pretending to be oversight.
	Right?
	We can do better than that.
	And that's our purpose today.
	We don't need theater pretending to be oversight.
	Matt Gaetz, congressman from Florida.
	God bless Matt Gaetz.
	He's absolutely right.
	And so are you for tuning in to America First.
	How's that for a segue?
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Happy New Year.
	It is so good to be back.
	I took a little time off.
	I'm very grateful to my guest hosts, Kurt Schlichter, Jim Hansen.
	We're going to ask Bob Franz probably to come back.
	I'm going to ask my team who they preferred most.
	We'll have a little vote.
	But more of that later.
	First things first.
	It's happening right now.
	Kevin McCarthy is about to lose.
	Oh my gosh, Daryl Iser grew a beard.
	What do you think of that?
	He looks rather good there.
	We need to get Darrell back on the show, Congressman Iser.
	But we have a second vote for Speaker of the House.
	The tally is 178 for Kevin McCarthy, 184 for Hakeem Jeffries, who, relax guys, will not be the Speaker of the House, because you'd have to have Republicans vote for Hakeem Jeffries, and it's not going to happen.
	I tend to agree with Matt Gaetz.
	Look, I've got nothing personally against Kevin McCarthy.
	But he's not MAGA.
	He's not America First.
	His speakership would not reflect what has happened to the Republican Party since my former boss came down those famous gold escalators in Trump Tower in 2015.
	It's a different party.
	It has to reflect the desire of the people.
	I'm shocked at what I heard a former Speaker of the House say today.
	We'll play Newt Gingrich first, but let's welcome back Jeff.
	Happy New Year to Mr. G. Happy New Year to you as well.
	Thank you kindly.
	Did you enjoy editing our year-in-review for this week?
	Yes, I did.
	It wasn't bad at all.
	A little tough to get it together at the end, but it came out alright.
	Did you have a pleasant Christmas and New Year's?
	Yes, I did.
	I'm very glad to hear it.
	I need to know your take on what's happening right now on Capitol Hill.
	Kevin McCarthy versus the Freedom Caucus.
	I agree with what you said.
	You got to at least, you know, not, you know, oppose McCarthy because it is a different party than it's become in the last six or seven years.
	I think that this is going to go on for at least a couple of days though.
	Couple of days?
	Yes.
	And I can tell you that in the break why I think that.
	Oh, he's got to keep me in suspenders until the break.
	I can't wait to hear.
	We've got Eric, who's wearing a suit and tie, which he said to me he's not doing it for us.
	It's not some New Year's resolution.
	I'm going to ask everybody, everybody on the team, what your New Year's resolutions are.
	So you better come up with some good ones.
	So he's going to get back to being scruffy tomorrow.
	Eric, your take on Kevin McCarthy as speaker.
	I am more hopeful now, and by hopeful I mean he might not be Speaker, because as of yesterday, the highest count we had of Republicans who were committed to either voting against him or weren't committed for him was 14.
	Twice now, two ballots, we had 19 votes against him, which is more than they expected.
	And they're holding out.
	Second ballot in a row, still 19 votes, not a single defection.
	So I'm starting to feel like this may be a repeat of what happened in 2015, when everyone thought, oh, he's going to be Speaker, it's already over.
	Paul Ryan kept saying, I don't want to be Speaker, I'll never be Speaker.
	And of course, we know the rest from there.
	So we'll see.
	Let's see.
	Let's stay tuned.
	All right.
	Let's stay tuned.
	We will.
	I don't know if it's going to take a few days, but let's listen to a man who, I don't know, until today, I guess I still do.
	I mean, you don't judge somebody on one clip, I guess.
	But for me, the smartest domestic brain out there is former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.
	And as former Speaker, he's kind of in a unique position to comment on this race for the current Speakership after the midterms.
	Oh, by the way, goodbye Nancy.
	Bye.
	We fired you.
	America fired you.
	Let's listen to what Newt had to say because I'm pretty shocked what Speaker Gingrich had to say.
	Play card.
	They're not voting against Kevin McCarthy.
	They're voting against over 215 members of their own conference.
	Their conference voted overwhelmingly, 85%, for McCarthy to be speaker.
	So this is a fight between a handful of people and the entire rest of the conference.
	And they're saying they have the right to screw up everything.
	Well, the precedent that sets is so do the moderates, so do the members from Florida.
	I mean, any five people can get up and say, I'm now going to screw up the conference, too.
	The choice is Kevin McCarthy or chaos.
	And there's nobody going to replace Kevin because he has far more people totally dedicated to him than this handful of never-enders.
	And the result's going to be anybody who tried to replace Kevin would face total chaos.
	It would be impossible to govern.
	So I hope in the next 24 hours that this handful of members will realize they don't have the moral right to reject the choice of 85% of their conference.
	They don't have the moral right to break up the House against the wishes of over 215 fellow Republicans.
	And I think it's a remarkably short-sighted and, candidly, selfish position.
	And I don't understand where they're coming from.
	You don't have the moral right?
	What on earth are you talking about, Mr. Gingrich?
	Moral right?
	The only moral right one should ever talk about when it comes to a politician, which is kind of a weird thing to put in a sentence, is to God, to the Constitution, and their constituents!
	The Republican conference?
	Who gives a damn about the Republican conference?
	It votes behind closed doors.
	Oh, so we're supposed to respect the secret shenanigans behind closed doors, but an open vote, as is happening right now, on the floor of the House?
	That is democracy.
	That is republicanism.
	No, that's the sham.
	That's the chaos.
	I beg to differ, Speaker Gingrich.
	I would say what happens behind closed doors is an irrelevance.
	It is an anathema.
	It is an assault, an insult to the political process in America.
	I don't want officers to be chosen behind closed doors in deals.
	Oh, you'll get the chairmanship of the House Armed Services Committee if you vote for me.
	Oh, you'll get the chairmanship of the Intelligence Committee if you vote for me.
	That's garbage!
	I want people to put their names to their votes so their constituents can see, oh really?
	You promised to be America first but you're voting for a weak man who hasn't said anything about the January 6th political prisoners?
	I want to see you!
	Put your hand up!
	And vote no.
	I believe in the Constitution.
	My moral authority, my right, is from a mandate vested in me temporarily by my constituents.
	How about that, Speaker Gingrich?
	I am woefully disappointed in you.
	I don't think I've ever been that disappointed in Newt.
	Since I moved to this country and chose to be a citizen, a legal immigrant to the United States.
	All right!
	You got me riled up already!
	And we're only 11 minutes in to the first show of the new year.
	All right, guys, sound off!
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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Uh, move the camera guys, you always put it in the middle and I cannot see the camera.
	Alright, line two.
	Who's this?
	Hello, line two, who's this?
	Hi, uh oh, you took my call off the air I see, huh?
	My name is Jared, I just wanted to remind you that you say we fired- you America fired an anti-politician, correct?
	Correct!
	Okay, well, let's talk about Trump being- you being fired by Trump, and then America firing Trump.
	That should be good.
	Hey, dickhead!
	I resigned, and if you're a moron to actually believe the 2020 elections, you have no place on my show.
	Goodbye, snowflake.
	He said his name was Jared.
	Yeah, he's called him before.
	Oh, Tom, give me Tom.
	Oh, you want the mics on or off?
	Off.
	Off.
	Mic's off.
	Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
	Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
	Thank you.
	Um, yeah.
	Uh...
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	Let's talk about some of the things we have to fix.
	The first, the biggest.
	His national sovereignty, because we don't have any right now.
	And the man who kept us safe when he was running ICE is joining us right now.
	Tom Holman, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks for having me.
	Tom, dumb question, is there any country, I mean you worked with everyone because you were head of ICE, is there any country in the world that has an open border policy like ours?
	No, absolutely not.
	I mean, you're not a country without a border.
	And right now, our southern border is under the operational control of the criminal cartels in Mexico.
	Think about that.
	The most powerful country in the world does not control our southern border.
	The criminal cartels in Mexico do.
	OK, that's going to be the title for this segment.
	The cartels control our borders.
	That's the shocking reality.
	Let's drill down on what's been in the news recently.
	I'm not the expert.
	You're the expert.
	But everybody talking about this judge, that judge, Supreme Court, Title 42.
	As far as I'm concerned, it's a joke.
	Well, what does Title 42 matter, whether it's in place or not, if the Biden administration isn't using it to deport people?
	Isn't this like a red herring?
	Yeah, you know, under President Trump, because of COVID, we basically sent everyone back that tried to enter, saying, no, we're in the middle of a health crisis here, and you can't enter right now.
	And we sent probably between 85-90% of people back.
	And the only people that were allowed in, if someone showed up, a real humanitarian case, very sick.
	Not in any sort of medical condition to send back, you know, stuff like that.
	But anybody we could, everybody we could, we sent back.
	But when Biden came in, he decided to carve out, him and the Secretary carved out huge populations like family groups and UACs and, you know, single adults like Cuba and Haiti and In other countries.
	Bottom line is he used Title 42 about 25% of what Trump did.
	And if you look at the numbers, the Biden administration has released more people into the U.S.
	than they sent back under Title 42.
	Just the bottom line.
	So people say, you know, it's a game changer.
	Well, it helps, because I think they sent back in two years, just shorter than they had in two years been in office.
	So that's less people that the board tried to deal with.
	Because right now, the board patrols 80%.
	By average across the South Side of Florida, 80% of their workforce is no longer on patrol.
	They're in facilities processing people.
	Changing diapers, making baby floor, making hospital runs.
	Which is why so much fat mouths come across to American Indians, which is why we have record high in sex trafficking among the children.
	So having Title 42, for even the small population, Biden said, that is helpful, because if we end with Title 42, that's just going to add to already overburdened barbecues.
	Now let me ask you the dirty little question that nobody wants to ask on Capitol Hill.
	If you look at the two million illegals Plus the gotaways, plus the estimates of people we have no cognizance of.
	By the end of the four years of the Biden administration, how many illegals could we have in America, Tom?
	What's your guesstimate?
	Well, I'll bring in 10.
	And that's based on the first two years, because there's 4 million in calories plus the over a million gotaways, that's 5.
	So he'll bring in 10 million on top of the, you know, 18, 20 billion we already have.
	We've got 30 billion people.
	Now the number you see a lot of people on Hill use at, 10 to 12 billion.
	We've been using that number for 20 years.
	That's ridiculous.
	So I think it's just between 18 and 20 and Biden's going to, if something doesn't change, he's already added 5 million to that.
	So in two more years, add another 5 million on top of that if he doesn't change the way he's doing business.
	We have a new report out from ICE.
	How much can we trust the figures in the reporting and the agency that you used to run this new report?
	The report they sent out is totally different from the report we did in the last 15 years.
	They changed the report because they're trying to hide information.
	They're trying to hide how bad it is at ICE and how little they're doing in enforcement.
	ICE reported 143,000.
	143,000 at large arrests.
	At large arrests.
	ICE at-large arrest.
	Bottom line is, out of the 142,000, almost 100,000 were actually arrested by Border Patrol.
	ICE cross system.
	Well, they want to call them their arrest.
	So, you know, if you're peddling numbers like that... Hang on.
	ICE is claiming that they arrested more than 100,000 people that they hadn't actually arrested?
	It's a short 100,000.
	They got 143,000 arrested, well over 90,000 of them.
	So I don't know how they call them ICE at-large arrests.
	At-large, in my day, you go out on the street, click on somebody, you arrest them at-large.
	For people that's already been arrested, and you just simply process them, call sex and arrest at-large.
	They've already been arrested at-large by the Border Patrol.
	So, you know, that's one number.
	Second, I'm looking further in the report, and you look at that recent border entrance, The Secretary says national security, criminals, and recent border issues are a priority.
	You know, Syracuse University just did a study, they released it last week, TRAC, that they did a rocket docket.
	All these family groups coming across, all these family groups.
	So they did a study of these family groups and went to immigration court and how they fared.
	They said 93% lost their case.
	They did not qualify for asylum.
	So, I've been saying 9 out of 10 don't qualify.
	Well, this study backs me up.
	So, what happens with that 9 out of 10?
	According to the Secretary, they should be promptly removed.
	I asked people at ICE, well, how many of you are arrested?
	He says, we're not even looking for them.
	So, again, trying to mislead the American people that they lose their case, they go home.
	Look, Seb, the bottom line is the Homeland Security Life Suck report that the Secretary's own report says this.
	If you're not in detention, you get ordered removed.
	You're a family unit, you need 6% of the time.
	If you're UAC, you need 3% of the time.
	If you're a single adult, you need 16% of the time.
	The secretary knows that, and that's why he's not detaining him, because he knows if you don't detain him, the vast majority won't leave.
	Absolutely shocking.
	We are talking to Tom Homan, former Acting Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
	Get his book right now, Defend the Border and Save Lives, Solving Our Most Important Humanitarian and Security Crisis.
	God bless you, Tom Homan.
	Happy New Year.
	I know somebody who could fix it.
	If we have a different president in the White House, I know Tom Holman, Mark Morgan, you could get us to a place where America had sovereignty once more.
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	Did you reach out to Ben's for Thursday?
	- Okay.
	No, I'm waiting to make sure he's approved.
	Oh, okay.
	What spot did you want him to look at?
	The Lee Smith spot?
	Yeah.
	Am I free after 5 o'clock?
	Bowling wants me.
	Let me check.
	I don't think there's anything on the calendar for that time.
	You're supposed to have Schmitt tonight, right?
	The usual Schmitt?
	I haven't heard anything from his people.
	Who's his person?
	I thought she booked me.
	For bowling or Schmitt?
	Schmitt.
	But I can't do two on the same day.
	Right.
	So have they booked me or not?
	Who's his booker?
	Is it- It's not Milena, is it?
	No.
	I don't- I never get those.
	Haven't they locked that in regularly?
	I think so, yeah.
	That was locked in regularly because they tried to do it last week and we had to say you were on vacation, so I assume we're- It's Julia, isn't it?
	It's- Because we were in the chat that you, me, and her- I don't seem to have that text message on my phone anymore, that group chat with us.
	Could you, like, tag me in that or bump that so I can get that, please?
	And then I'll ask her.
	I can ask her directly.
	Ask who?
	The Schmitz, uh, Booker.
	Well, I'm gonna ask Julia.
	Okay, thanks.
	Hey, it's Sebastian.
	I got a...
	I got a...
	Okay.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, that's... I have that on the calendar for every Tuesday, just wasn't sure if after post-New Year's it might have been something.
	Okay.
	Oh, you can kick the mics back on, Alex.
	Alright.
	Title for Tom.
	Actually, you know, what did...
	We have, let's change it to, we have, um, there are 30 million illegals in America.
	There are 30 million.
	Yep.
	Illegal in America.
	Why do these psycho killers always look like psycho killers?
	I mean, the photograph of the guy, he's in a, you know, a, um, bulletproof vest and he's staring at the camera like a killer.
	I didn't see that one.
	I saw the mugshot from when they brought him in.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	Katie Hobbs being sworn in as the new governor of Arizona.
	of the United States.
	Katie Hobbs being sworn in as the new governor of Arizona.
	Laughing.
	I'm trying to think.
	Who's got the most historically minded brain in our group here?
	Boris is always like the amateur historian.
	Who's the oldest person in this team apart from me?
	Is it John?
	Is it Jeff?
	It's got to be Jeff.
	Jeff!
	Are you the oldest person?
	I'm being polite.
	Probably.
	I assume so.
	I'm 40.
	Anybody older than that?
	We'll say it's you.
	We'll say that you're the granddaddy of the team.
	Can you think of anyone of any party Laughing when they've got their hand on the Bible and being sworn into office?
	No, not even close.
	So perverse.
	It's so creepy.
	Thank you.
	All right.
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	Ladies first.
	Happy New Year, Antoinette!
	Happy New Year's to you, Dr. G, your staff, and happy, happy anniversary, you guys!
	It's four years today!
	Now, this is the thing.
	I was kind of confused driving in today.
	Jeff, are we in our fourth year?
	How many years of Reindeer have you and I done together?
	Yeah, this is starting our fifth year.
	We've completed four.
	What?
	Are we starting our fifth year?
	Yes.
	That's insanity.
	That's sheer insanity.
	How did that happen?
	I don't know, but welcome, welcome.
	I am so glad you guys are safe, you're back.
	We cheated life one more year and we're all here.
	So Dr. G, this thing about immigration, I am pissed off.
	More so, royally, we hate it in California, but there's got to be 40 million illegals, not 30.
	It's sickening, it's sickening.
	And McCarthy, Kevin, hell no.
	And what's wrong with Ingrid, I mean, Newt?
	I know, I know, look, I know he's into the process, I guess, because he was the speaker, but come on, how about representing your constituents, Antoinette?
	America first for sure, because hey, my boyfriend, I've got one of those NFTs, non-fungible tokens, and I got a really good one!
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	I want to see a photograph of you with the Trump NFT.
	I need to see that, Antoinette.
	That is a fabulous Christmas present from your boyfriend.
	Happy New Year.
	It's great to hear your voice.
	Let's stay on the topic of Newt Glenn in Arizona.
	Line three.
	Yes, sir.
	So my family and I, we're America First here, and we're getting fed up by career politicians lecturing us.
	You know, this is my take on what's going on.
	I think that Mr. Gates has a lot of consternation, and what I'm afraid of is that McCarthy gets in there, and just like Paul Ryan and John Boehner and other people that basically told us what they were going to do once they were in there, and then they don't.
	And so that's why people like my family, we trust Mr. Trump.
	We trust him emphatically, because when he got in there, he had courage to do what he said he was gonna do.
	And I'm just worried that Kevin McCarthy doesn't.
	And that's what I think that the people like Matt Gaetz, I think that he's afraid of basically six months down the road getting there, and basically telling people like me, who are on his side, saying, hey, I told you guys so.
	And that's what I'm worried about, sir.
	No, look, I agree with you.
	I'll be very clear.
	I don't think Kevin McCarthy is a bad guy, but he's not a strong guy, and he's not unimpeachably MAGA or America First, so we'll see what happens.
	Jeff has some interesting theory that he gave me some evidence for, that this thing may take weeks.
	The second vote failed for Kevin McCarthy, so Stay tuned, friends.
	This could get very, very interesting.
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	So apparently, the second ballot, all 19 votes went to Jim Jordan.
	On the first ballot, it was all kind of mixed.
	So this is the horse.
	Well, that's very interesting, given the fact that during the first ballot, Jim actually made a speech supporting McCarthy.
	Yeah.
	Can you block the lines?
	Maybe they're just trolling him at that point by voting for him.
	I don't know.
	And ones that we have are extended beyond use.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Who came up with the idea of the heated sidewalk?
	It's one of the projects in the spending bill that they did.
	Okay, and where were they interviewing people?
	It was New Hampshire.
	Yeah, but you don't know where?
	Where the town is?
	No.
	Want me to get it?
	No, it's alright.
	It's good.
	Is Solomon the segment?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Guys, I asked you to block and now we've got a full call board.
	Sorry, Jeff, we didn't hear that.
	Hey, guys, John Solomon here.
	Hey John, happy new year!
	Happy new year to you, and happy third election of your speaker.
	How are you at 882,000 followers?
	That's crazy, when did that happen?
	Oh, I used to be at a million.
	It actually got, you know, during the silly business.
	It cut me down.
	Yeah, it's terrible.
	So, but I'm back up.
	I finally got a blue check.
	check they never gave me a blue check that's that by the line had a neck problem a couple years ago and the orthopedist couldn't figure out no one
	No one was mystified.
	They said, you might have a little arthritis.
	I saw one of Mike's ads.
	I went and got a pillow.
	Two days later, I woke up without a crick for the first time in maybe a year.
	And I've been crick-free in my neck.
	And I told this recently to my fellow folks.
	It really changed my life.
	Literally.
	I mean, it's an honest story.
	My wife will tell you.
	I used to wake up every night in misery with my neck, and now I'm up every day.
	I feel great, and I credit my pillows for my relief.
	He is neck-crick free.
	He is a top cat for sure.
	We are delighted to have him on the show.
	John Solomon, Happy New Year.
	If you want to be neck-crick free as well, do what he did.
	Do what I do every single day.
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	Okay, John, your sense of humor is well hidden.
	I wished you Happy New Year in the break and you said, and happy third vote for speaker for Kevin McCarthy.
	That was very quick.
	I'm impressed.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Because this is interesting, isn't it?
	I mean, just moments ago, failure for a second time to get the requisite 218 votes.
	As the man at the top of Just The News, justthenews.com, I gotta ask you, are you surprised?
	How long do you think this is gonna go?
	Give us, what is your Spidey sense telling you?
	Yeah, listen, I'm not surprised because a lot of the lawmakers have been coming out saying they were going to hold the line on this.
	There was dissatisfaction that McCarthy didn't make enough concessions quick enough, didn't sound sincere in making concessions, and they were ready for a long fight.
	I think both sides are settled in for a long fight.
	After the second vote, I literally, which just ended about 20 minutes ago, I made some calls.
	There's some horse trading going on right now.
	Kevin McCarthy's talking to some of the holdouts, seeing if there's something he could offer them.
	It'll be very interesting to see if he picks up any votes, brings it down from the 19 that he's lost in the first two votes.
	But I have a funny feeling that this could stretch on for a long time.
	We had an interview with a couple lawmakers today who said, listen, I don't think this is going to get resolved as long as somebody in the caucus is up.
	It's going to take an outsider to come in and be the candidate for Speaker to win.
	That's what a couple lawmakers were telling us.
	There is a sense that this is going to go on for a while.
	That's interesting.
	So is that because Of pre-existing relations.
	For example, we've heard that Steve Scalise, that a lot of people love, I would love to see a speaker.
	He said, you know, I'm a buddy of Kevin's.
	If he's running, I am not putting my name in the hat.
	So is that the logic?
	That it's got to be an outsider who doesn't have those pre-existing relations, hasn't made those deals?
	Yeah, and also sometimes, you know, Steve Scalise, who's got a tremendous record, a hero surviving that shooting, but a very effective leader in the Congress.
	He's so associated with McCarthy that those 19 kind of treat them as two peas in the same pod, so they're not willing to peel off for him.
	So it's a really tricky act that's ahead of us.
	We're in uncharted territories.
	It's been a century before it's ever gone to two votes, and this time it's going to be third, four, five, Only one other time in American history did that happen.
	So this is, I think, a larger battle for the heart and soul of the conservative movement.
	And it's the same one that's probably playing out at the RNC right now between Harmeet Dhillon and Ronald McDaniel.
	And what likely will play out in the next couple years against Mitch McConnell.
	It may take his re-election campaign before people get a chance to fight against him more thoroughly.
	I think there are a very robust part of the conservative movement fighting for the future, taking on some of these long-term figures in the party.
	So, yesterday we had a kind of year-end review here, the best of on America First.
	I want to ask you a different question.
	I want to have you look forward for us for 2023.
	You are the author of the seminal work, Fallout, on the dynasties, the crime dynasties, the Russian spy, a complete made-up fabrication.
	You've got to get the book, Fallout.
	So, we have the news, John, of Five GOP investigations ready in the offing.
	You are not a man known to exaggerate.
	You don't even know how to spell the word hyperbole.
	You are a straight shooter.
	You only work in the realm of facts and reality.
	So I'm going to ask you, What expectations do you have when it comes to getting to the bottom of what happened at the FBI, the CIA, who Azra Turk is?
	Is 2023... Do you have high hopes or are you more skeptical?
	I have high hopes that there is an outstanding battle plan from all the reporting I've done.
	Republicans know exactly what documents they want, what witnesses they want.
	Remember, they've been talking to these FBI whistleblowers for six or eight months now.
	They have the most detailed roadmap that I think any congressional investigation I've worked on over the last 30 years has had.
	They have a very detailed pointer of what was going on in the FBI, who was making the calling the shots.
	The question now will be can they extract in the two-year time frame the evidence that they need to get from the Justice Department.
	There's a story over the weekend.
	A lawyer who's been just trying to get basic documents about the Hunter Biden probe says he's been thwarted.
	He's going back to court to try to force that.
	There's a strong belief among the Republicans that there's going to be a game of keep away.
	That this DOJ will not care about Republican authority.
	They will slow walk evidence.
	They'll not make witnesses available.
	They'll take the fifth.
	Whatever it takes to thwart these investigations.
	But Hunter Biden, FBI, China and the influence of China, those are three top priorities.
	What's going on at the border, a fourth one.
	All of those are in advanced stages of investigation.
	And I'll just leave you with one thought on the FBI today.
	I had an interview to talk to Chris Wecker.
	He's the former assistant director of the FBI for the criminal side.
	So he ran all the criminal probes in the FBI for a long time.
	Very well respected on all sides of the FBI, outside the FBI as well.
	He said to me today, and it's the first time I've heard him say this.
	You see him on TV from time to time.
	He made a very pointed comment.
	He said, I am now convinced my agent, my old agency, the FBI, has lost its independence, the very independence Congress gave it.
	And it's now a subservient agency reporting to liberal activists in the Justice Department.
	What a profound statement.
	for a longtime FBI man to make in public.
	That is the sort of frustration that career FBI agents have with the agency.
	They're driving a lot of the investigation for Congress right now.
	Where can our viewers, our listeners, find that interview?
	It just came out on John Solomon Reports just a few minutes ago, my podcast.
	We'll have a story up tonight so people could see the text if you don't have a chance to grab the podcast.
	Very powerful words from a guy who's very measured, and by the way, was praising the FBI on things like the Idaho case, so he believes in the FBI.
	But for someone of that stature to come in, very much like Kevin Brock, who we and I have talked about in the past, outside FBI people have been inside, now giving an outsider's perspective that the Bureau is so flawed it needs a major, major change.
	He's got a podcast as well, a TV show, a media empire.
	A website is not enough.
	I'm going to listen to that podcast, John Solomon Reports.
	Jay Solomon Reports is the social media handle.
	The website is justthenews.com.
	He is the founder, the editor-in-chief.
	Happy New Year to you, John Solomon.
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	I want to come in with Pope Benedict at the top of the hour.
	Benedict's top of the hour.
	Yep.
	Got it.
	You want to do the scuba thing this segment?
	Uh, no.
	I should take calls.
	Alrighty.
	90 seconds.
	It's interesting to see like the list of the exact, the 19 holdouts and who some of them are.
	It's pretty great.
	Tell me.
	There's, let's see.
	We've got Matt Gates, Paul Gosar, Lauren Boebert, Chip Roy, Andy Biggs, Dan Bishop, Anna Paulina Luna, she's new, Andrew Clyde, Eli Crane, another new one, Bob Good, Ralph Norman, Scott Perry, chair of the Freedom Caucus, Matt Rosendale, Mike Cloud, Mary Miller, Andrew Ogles, Keith Self, Josh Breachan, and Andy Harris.
	Yeah, some of those I've never heard of.
	A handful of them are new, like Andy Ogles, he's the guy who got elected to the seat that Robbie Starbuck was running for.
	And then the story of Keith's self was another fun one.
	I can tell that in the next break.
	How he got elected.
	Okay.
	Alright, 45 seconds.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	Let's stay on the topic.
	Everybody wants to sound off on the speaker, McCarthy and Newt Gingrich, Robert, Georgia Line 1.
	Hi, Robert.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Can you hear me clearly?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I am in Gingrich's district, now in Watermilk's district, and I heard nothing.
	He's been worth zero ever since 2016.
	I mean, he's a reliable Washington insider.
	Just like I'm afraid Gingrich has been corrupted that direction.
	No, I don't think one quote gives you the right to say that he's been corrupted.
	He's been an amazing patriot for, you know, 60 years.
	I think you're going overboard a little bit, Robert.
	Well, he has been, as we use in the steel trade, he's been bent.
	He's been bent and forged into the shape he's in now.
	In other words, we've been fighting For independence and for freedom ever since 2006 when Bush became again warped by the Washington insiders group.
	So Ryan fought vigorously, viciously against Trump from 2016-2018.
	from 2016, 2018, then Ryan surrendered, pulled 30 plus Republicans out into retirement so that he deliberately, he, Ryan, deliberately lost the House leadership in 2018.
	So, go all the way back to the Tea Party, when Obama was president.
	So that was 2008 was the loss, 2010, 2012, the Washington insiders fought it.
	I get all of that, but to say that Newt Gingrich is now a swamp creature, I just don't buy it, Robert.
	I will politely disagree, but based on what?
	Based on the fact that he's no longer pushing and supporting I don't think you have the requisite evidence for that.
	Mr. Gee, do you buy that?
	Do you think Newt Gingrich has suddenly become a swamp creature?
	No, not off of one quote.
	I don't think he'd do it.
	I don't buy it.
	I don't buy it.
	But thank you, Robert.
	Victor, very quickly, we've got a minute.
	Victor, welcome.
	Happy New Year.
	Happy New Year to you.
	I was disappointed in Newt Gingrich the day he sat on the sofa with Nancy Pelosi and said that we could be climate change.
	That turned it off for me and I got to tell him that on C-SPAN.
	My sighted friend said that he smiled when I said, have you learned your lesson?
	You can't trust the watermelons.
	Oh, I love that.
	Nice.
	The watermelons, green on the outside, deep red commie on the inside.
	I'm going to have to find that.
	Victor and Newt on C-SPAN.
	Nicely done.
	Thank you.
	Lord Conrad Black next here on America First.
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	Hour 2 of America First with me, Sebastian Gorka.
	We will be remembering one of the most influential and significant popes of the 20th century, Pope Benedict.
	God rest his soul.
	And our special guest will be the one and only Lord Conrad Black.
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	The End
	The End
	And we all know what those problems are.
	We've been talking about them for a long time.
	We've been proposing legislation for a long time.
	In fact, it was Kevin McCarthy who put together task forces over a year ago to get members engaged in the process of not just talking about what we don't like, not just talking about what the problems are.
	We know what those problems are.
	But how do you fix those problems?
	And so we started rolling those bills out.
	We've attempted... Conrad.
	Yes, sir.
	Happy New Year.
	Same to you.
	How are we doing?
	Well, I think you and I are doing fine, but God, the Republican Party's in a fine state, isn't it?
	We shall discuss.
	Did you have a good Christmas?
	I did.
	Very nice, thanks.
	Good.
	How about you?
	Very pleasant.
	My kids wanted to get away to the hot beaches and whatever.
	I'm a forest and mountain person, but I surrendered.
	So we went to Aruba for a week.
	You could go nuts in a place like that.
	It's always the same.
	It's like clockwork.
	I get to day two and a half and I'm just ready to leave.
	I'm just like, OK, that was fun.
	I'm already looking like a lobster.
	Let's go.
	No, I agree.
	I get absolutely bored out of my mind.
	We owned a newspaper in the Cayman Islands, and I used to go there sometimes.
	Because I'm a member of the House of Lords, the governor would always invite me to dinner.
	But apart from dinner with him, we had a bathing suit edition every Friday in the paper.
	So you saw a lot of nice-looking girls drifting around in two-piece bathing suits.
	You know, I am loyal to my wife.
	I'm probably no prize to a 22-year-old girl anyway.
	And, you know, after looking at a bunch of nice girls going around and talking to the governor, you've got, There's nothing more to do.
	No.
	I did get certified with my daughter.
	I'm very proud.
	My son is an advanced scuba diver.
	So my daughter and I said, OK, we're going to the beach.
	We're going to get certified.
	And we did.
	Age 52.
	I can now scuba dive anywhere.
	So.
	All right.
	Stand by.
	We're going to talk about Pope Benedict just at the beginning and then what's going on in Congress.
	Excellent.
	OK.
	Um... . . .
	. . . .
	Almost every town this country has its monuments honoring those who sacrifice their lives in defense of freedom, both at home and abroad.
	The preservation of freedom calls for the cultivation of virtue, self-discipline, sacrifice for the common good, and a sense of responsibility towards the less fortunate.
	It also demands the courage to engage in civic life and to bring one's deepest beliefs and values to a recent public debate.
	The preservation of freedom requires sacrifice, discipline, and courage.
	That was the late, great Pope Benedict XVI, talking in front of the White House in 2008.
	Rest in peace, Pope Benedict Joseph Ratzinger.
	I'm Sebastian Walker.
	This is America First.
	Happy New Year to all of you.
	Let us start it with a bang with one of your favorites.
	He is, let's just say, a presidential historian, former media mogul, a justice reform advocate, and the co-host of a splendid podcast called Scholars and Sense with your other favorite Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
	Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	Happy New Year to you and all of your listeners.
	So you have a unique perspective that I think will help me unpack my first question before we go to the events happening right now.
	There is a move for a third ballot for Speaker of the House, twice already in just the last two hours.
	Kevin McCarthy has failed.
	But let's talk about the news of the weekend.
	Maybe it's just me.
	Maybe it's because I'm a cradle Catholic.
	I'm quite shocked by how the loss of perhaps, after blessed St.
	John Paul II, one of the most theologically sound popes of the 20th century, how we've... It wasn't really a news item.
	Am I seeing that wrongly?
	It seemed to me that the passing of Pope Benedict, we're distracted by many, many other things.
	Is that just me?
	No, but I think, you know, I'm a co-religionist of yours, and I had the privilege to meet Pope Benedict when he was Cardinal Ratzinger a couple of times, and I had two dinners with him and the Cardinal here in Toronto, just the three of us, so I had some hours of conversation with him.
	And I think that you and I would think, for reasons that have been mentioned, that his death would justify greater prominence as the death of an incumbent pope does.
	When a pope in office does, it's, of course, a tremendous event.
	I mean, a sad event, but a very highly publicized one.
	In this case, I think we were dealing with something that hasn't happened for 600 years, where a pope had retired.
	And they keep emphasizing the death of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.
	He wasn't Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.
	He was Pope Benedict XVI, who became the Pope Emeritus after he was the Pope.
	And I think it has been a bit underplayed, I agree with that, but I think you and I, because, at least in my case, I admired him a great deal, would have hoped for more.
	I mean, I don't mean this meanly.
	I knew Barbara Walters personally, and she was a perfectly nice lady, but that the American media put the death of Barbara Walters on the same day ahead of that of Pope Benedict XVI, I suppose is explicable in terms of what their viewers and readers would be familiar with, but in terms of the comparative importance of the two events, and no disrespect to Barbara, but
	It was outrageous, and in my opinion, it just shows the banality of a lot of the news coverage.
	He was a very important figure in the world, and a very admirable man, I think, regardless of what your religious views are.
	Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
	And much misunderstood, or rather, I would say, misrepresented.
	Scandalously misrepresented as a member of the Hitler Youth and all this kind of thing.
	I'm going to commend right now a guest that we've asked to come on the show later this week who is a man of the left who is an atheist.
	He's Brendan O'Neill.
	He's the editor of Spiked Online in the UK and he wrote an absolutely superlative article for Spiked Online on the importance of Pope Benedict as a man explained how reason and faith actually function together and are not diametrically opposed to each other.
	I will be posting that for all of those who are interested on the truth of Pope Benedict's contribution on my social media platforms.
	My memory of him is not long after the white smoke went up from the Convocation in Rome.
	We got to see him say Mass.
	I do believe, in addition to Pope, he's also the parish priest for the parish of St.
	John the Lateran.
	And when I was in Rome, we caught a Mass when he said it, when he celebrated it.
	And I have a photograph of him walking past our children down the aisle of that little church in Rome.
	Let's switch our azimuth Talk about what's happening right now.
	I for one, and I've discussed this in the last hour, I have no problem with there being a process of voting, of a little bit of hullabaloo and friction inside the GOP when it comes to choosing their new speaker.
	Others, especially the establishment such as Rona Romney, McDaniel, are saying, oh this is a disgrace!
	How can they do this to Kevin McCarthy after he was anointed behind closed doors in the conference session?
	Your response to this now moving to the third ballot to choose the next speaker, Lord Black?
	I agree with you that moving to a third ballot is in itself not worrisome.
	I do have a fear that if we go on indefinitely with the Republican Party unable to elevate a speaker, it will make the Republicans look ridiculous and it will emphasize the tragic damage done by the anti-Trump function, the never-Trump faction in the Republican Party.
	I mean, they will then have succeeded in splitting that party so badly that not only did they not give the former president the support he deserved and needed, and not only did they effectively collude with his enemies in some cases, but they have and not only did they effectively collude with his enemies in some cases, but they have prevented the Republican Party from reaping the fruit of the victory of Can you stop there for a second, and can you just dissect that for us?
	Because there are so many who are in the mainstream saying exactly the opposite, that what we're witnessing today, the first time since 1923, that it's going to multiple rounds of voting, that this is the fault of the MAGA, America First Republicans. - Yeah.
	Yeah, because the people who are voting against Congressman McCarthy are on the right of the party.
	That part is correct, but the fact is if the never-Trumpers had got on board and produced a united front instead of constantly undercutting the MAGA agenda and whispering behind their backs that it was all medieval but the fact is if the never-Trumpers had got on board and produced a united front instead of constantly undercutting the MAGA agenda and whispering behind their backs that it was all medieval nonsense
	while relying on Trump's support to keep them in their sinecures, like Senate leader McConnell, for example, backing an anti-Trump Republican in Alaska over the authentic Republican nominee for senator, that sort of thing.
	If it hadn't been for that, we wouldn't be in this impasse, and there would be a solid majority of senators.
	So they have a point that the dissent is on the far right of the Trump wing of the party, but Trump himself has endorsed McCarthy, and most of Trump's supporters, including Congressman Jordan of Ohio, I believe, got six votes on the first ballot.
	I haven't seen the exact results on the second ballot.
	He's a McCarthy supporter.
	So that is not where the fault lies.
	The Trump wing of the party won two straight nominations and got a great many of their candidates nominated fair and square within that party, and they have not had the support they deserved from the old guard, never-Trumpers, who are basically look-alike Democrats.
	So your hope is now that there'll be a capitulation of the holdouts and in the fourth round it'll go to McCarthy?
	Well, my own hope would be, I wouldn't call it a capitulation.
	I mean, I could, you know, they've got an edge here in this very tightly divided Congress.
	But, sorry, I don't think we should be setting out to humiliate anybody.
	But I think having made their point, And perhaps some additional gesture that's not embarrassing to McCarthy could be made and everyone could sort of get together and agree that Kevin McCarthy, every Republican, that Kevin McCarthy is a preferable speaker to Hakeem Jeffries, a thought that would cause me not to be able to sleep again for some days.
	But I would hope for that.
	But if it's not to happen, I'm afraid, my friend Newt Gingrich, who two months ago, or three months ago, was predicting a knockout Republican victory, is today lamenting the distinct possibilities he sees that the Republican Party could virtually crack up.
	I think just as he was too optimistic three months ago, I think he's being alarmist now, but he makes a very good point.
	We played that cut in the last hour.
	We will return momentarily.
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	In the second round, Eric, Eric, all 19 went to Jim.
	Yeah.
	In the second round, all 19 votes went to Jordan.
	Well, in that case, he is a McCarthy supporter.
	He says he is.
	Well, he gave a speech after this first round supporting Kevin.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, isn't that a sign that we're on the way to an agreed majority then?
	If all of the votes went to a man who is himself a McCarthy supporter, Jordan is key here, but he should state any additional terms he has to do everything possible to deliver what are now his votes to McCarthy.
	Absolutely.
	Look, my impression of him, I don't know Congressman Jordan at all, but my impression of him, obviously he's a prominent public figure, is he's a very reasonable, sensible man, and very sound in his views, and very dedicated to a united party.
	Well, the issue, I like Jim and he's been on the show many, many times, but my trouble with Jim, he has been conspicuously absent in terms of any, how should I put this?
	The January, the plight of the January 6th prisoners is not a priority for him, which is disturbing given his ranking membership of the Judiciary Committee.
	Yes, yes, I would agree that it is.
	But on the other hand, he's been very, very strong on debunking that committee as an absolute farce, and he was kicked off the membership of it by Pelosi, I believe.
	Correct.
	Well, yes, no, yeah, he wasn't allowed on.
	He wasn't allowed on.
	How were your dinners with Ratzinger, as was?
	Very nice.
	They were at the Cardinal's house here, and after the Our host, Cardinal Carter, asked me to render, which he knew that I could do, a quote from Cardinal Newman, which I did in support of the argument that he should be beatified, canonized, I should say.
	And so Cardinal Ratzinger, as we finished dinner, said, well, that is a very nice, that's almost sort of end-of-dinner afterpiece, so if you would like, I will play you A Mozart sonata, part of one.
	And so he sat down at... What?
	Yeah, he sat down at Cardinal Carter's piano and played for about almost 10 minutes a sonata from Mozart.
	I mean, he was an extraordinarily cultured man.
	Very, very gracious man to speak with.
	Always, you spoke in a low voice.
	Very soft.
	Listened carefully, never tried to speak over anybody.
	And even though English was, I think, his third or fourth language, he made his points extremely clearly.
	He had a much softer version of the sort of syntax you get from Henry Kissinger, you know, where the verb comes towards the end of the sentence.
	Like in German, yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Fascinating.
	I had no idea.
	But a most gracious man and a good sense of humor, too.
	All right.
	But, I mean, the, you know, calling him the Pope's Rottweiler and all, that's all rubbish.
	I mean, I think all he did, as far as I, I mean, I don't want to oversimplify these, particularly when you get into doctrinal matters, they're very complicated, but he was endeavouring to maintain fundamental principles.
	Absolutely.
	Stand by.
	Showing flexibility in other areas.
	And then live urgent.
	Tensive.
	No violence.
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	It's the third round of voting.
	We are halfway through.
	Hakeem Jeffries, 42 votes.
	Kevin McCarthy, 37.
	How many will dissent?
	We will keep you informed here on America First.
	Do you remember what the last two and a half years were like?
	How they tried to shut down not only businesses across America but also churches as well?
	In California they even banned parishioners from singing in church.
	An utter, utter outrage.
	But some brave parishioners and church leaders stood up and said no.
	One of those is Sean Foyt who said, you will not stop us from worshipping our Lord and Saviour.
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	It is the history of the Let Us Worship movement, which sadly may have to be revivified.
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	The movie is Superspreader.
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	We are back with our regular guest, Lord Conrad Black.
	You can follow him at Conrad M. Black on Twitter, co-host of Scholars and Scents, and any book with his name on the spine is worth your time.
	Lord Black, whichever way the vote tally goes today or in following days, what would be the wise counsel that you would give the Republican Party moving forward?
	As a Conservative, there are already five Investigatory committees proposed for China, COVID, Hunter Biden laptop, on and on and on.
	But more philosophically, if you will, more ideologically, the question of whither the Republican Party in a age of Donald Trump, what should be the big issues that are focused on philosophically?
	Well, first of all, Sebastian, I would Go to unheard of lengths to prevent and avoid falling into the trap the Democrats and their media acolytes and comrades are already setting.
	Uh, which is that you can either propose useful legislation or work constructively with the other side in working out legislation, or you can set up investigative committees.
	I mean, this never occurred to them when the Democrats had both houses of Congress.
	They ran their spurious investigations.
	Wall to wall, all the time, for two years, uninterruptedly.
	And they still managed to get the legislation that they wanted to the attention of both houses.
	Not all of it passed, but they brought it forward.
	It is a nonsense choice.
	It isn't a zero-sum game.
	You can have several select committees operating at the same time that the general membership of the Congress, you know, works towards legitimate conventional legislative goals and works with the other party.
	So that's the first thing.
	Secondly, I would say you want to do both.
	But now you absolutely not.
	I think they should not emulate the Democrats in running ludicrously partisan witch hunt kangaroo court committees like that January 6th nonsense, or they wouldn't let the minority parties nominees onto the committee.
	And the evidence was all read off teleprompters.
	It was just a second-rate soap opera that had been pre-written and was nothing but a smear job.
	Go back to legitimate, reasonable committees of inquiry, and Frank Church's wasn't one of them, by the way.
	No.
	This is my second question.
	So when you look at the history of committees from Church and Pike and on to January 6th, you have to be very cautious to pick a topic That the populace actually cares about.
	So in an age of open borders, 9% inflation, 107,000 drug overdoses in the last 12 months, is there a danger of picking a topic that really doesn't resonate with the populace at large?
	I think there is, but I think in some cases it would resonate if it is conducted properly and produces startling conclusions.
	Now I don't know how we do this, but I saw that, according to an authoritative poll, Over the weekend, only 3% of Democrats are aware that there are more than 150,000 people a year entering the country illegally.
	Because, you know, the Democratic media simply, you know, blanked out the story.
	And so, you know, I think that, however they do it, they want to get public attention focused on the proportions of the problem at the southern border.
	Uh, and you don't have to be rabidly partisan about it.
	You just bring out the facts.
	And I'm not sure that trying to impeach the... I mean, you can impeach him alright, but there's no chance of getting him removed.
	I'm not sure that impeaching the Homeland Security Secretary is the way to go.
	I mean, I don't think he's competent.
	But since it's not going to work anyway, why bother?
	But bring out the facts!
	But as somebody who's run an international media empire, do you look at the current Republican Party as having the wherewithal, the requisite mouse, as it were, to do that public information campaign?
	Are they polished enough, Lord Black?
	Well, some of them are.
	And I think this is part of McCarthy's problem.
	I mean, the little rap on him, as I understand it, is in part that he's played along too much and been a kind of fellow traveler of the Democrats, and has been at the center or slightly left of the center of the Republican Party.
	But he's managed to keep his bridges open and functioning with Trump personally.
	And my own view is he obviously is the support of most Republicans, and he deserves a chance.
	But, I mean, he's carried water on both shoulders for that party in opposition in difficult times.
	And I don't think you just, you know, chuck a man like that.
	You give him a chance.
	But the answer, in my opinion, is yes.
	They've got some very strong, very credible, very articulate people in the Congressional Republican Party that can put the case that needs to be made.
	But they've got to be Fair, not just rabidly partisan slinging muck like Schumer and Pelosi and the Democratic leadership in the Congress have done.
	Play it straight, play it fair and balance it so that you don't look like you're conducting every day entirely as a re-litigation of the past and a raking over the shortcomings of the other side.
	But the election has to be looked into.
	Yeah, they do!
	I mean, what is more important than electing the President?
	And those were pretty funny elections.
	Funny is one word for it, and I heartily agree that if we are to be taken seriously by the electorate, then the Republican Party has to look seriously at what happened in 2020.
	And I completely concur with Lord Black, which isn't a surprise.
	It's why he is a regular on our show.
	The website is ConradMBlack.com.
	Wishing you a blessed 2023.
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	I owe you a connection, do I not, to Substack? - Yeah.
	Yes, I was going to write you about that.
	I've been so preoccupied with other things, I'm trying to close some deals here.
	But could we?
	I've been so preoccupied with other things.
	I've been so preoccupied with other things.
	I've been so preoccupied with other things.
	I've been so preoccupied with other things.
	I've been so preoccupied with other things.
	I've been so preoccupied with other things.
	So apparently a buddy of mine who's watching on C-SPAN says, "Chip Roy for this third round nominated Jim Jordan again." And Jim Jordan's the one receiving all these votes, these opposition votes once more.
	Wow.
	Yeah, he's already lost.
	It's going to a fourth ballot.
	Stop enjoying it so much, Eric!
	Well, the funny thing is, again, the last time this happened was exactly 100 years ago, 1923, and that was nine ballots, so...
	Let's go, chat.
	Let's go, Rumblers.
	Let's break some records today.
	Speaking of which, we have over 1,900 viewers on Rumble right now.
	People are excited.
	Hello, Rumblers.
	That's excellent.
	Yes, they want to talk.
	Mixed opinions in the chat.
	There's people who don't like Scalise.
	There's people who say they want Jordan.
	Yeah, interesting times.
	Can you send me the link to today's show?
	The live stream?
	Yes.
	Let me grab it right quick.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	you You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
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	Eric, what did you whisper into my ear regarding the third round of voting?
	It appears that Kevin McCarthy has already lost with 12 votes against him.
	Cast once again for Jim Jordan, who was nominated this round by Congressman Chip Roy.
	So that means we're going to a fourth ballot now.
	That is incredible.
	And it is exactly 100 years since the last time this happened, 1923 since it happened.
	I have to say, you know what?
	When I heard that, I think, hang on.
	Why is it always a done deal?
	What is the point of having a vote if for 99 years it's like, rubber stamp, yes, behind closed doors, we chose John Smith and he'll be the speaker.
	It's kind of un-American.
	Let's have a battle royale.
	The man steps into the arena and the last one left standing should be the speaker.
	That's much more American.
	All right.
	He's been waiting so long in Knoxville.
	Randy has been very patient.
	Thank you for waiting.
	Line two.
	Hey, happy new year, Dr. Gorka.
	Happy new year.
	Thank you.
	Kevin McCarthy, I'll never forget him coming out, Dr. Gorkin, saying that President Trump had a lot of responsibility for the so-called riot.
	That was so disappointing.
	As far as I'm concerned, He's out of there.
	You know, I like Jim Jordan, but hey, this thing with him not speaking out against these folks being held political prisoners, being in his position on the Judiciary Committee like you said, hey, that's really disappointing as much as I like him.
	So is there somebody you'd like to see, Scalise or Andy Biggs or somebody else?
	You know, I like the Freedom Caucus guys.
	What about, you know, I can't help but think, you know, that they could put Donald Trump in.
	No, not happening.
	I guarantee you 101% not happening.
	This is one guy that I'm really worried about, Dr. Gorka.
	And, you know, I like him.
	I think he's having a bad flare-up of freedom derangement syndrome, Matt Gaetz derangement syndrome.
	I'm trying to get in touch with Matt Gaetz.
	Usually he's very good.
	I texted him this morning.
	I think he's a little bit busy, but we need to get Matt Gaetz.
	Hey Jeff, will you reach out to Matt's people and let's get him on the show tomorrow?
	Okay, let's do that.
	Yes.
	I know where, maybe you could try your colleague, Hugh Hewitt.
	I think he has a line on Matt Gaetz.
	He's been talking about him a lot all week long on his show.
	Yeah, talking about him and getting him on your show, those are two different things.
	Thank you, Randy.
	Happy New Year.
	It's Judy in Brooklyn, line three.
	Hey, happy New Year to you and everyone, and happy fourth anniversary.
	Guess what, Antoinette?
	I knew it was four years, and I knew we were going to fifth year, by the way.
	So I just want to say, you know, we've been together for like four years.
	And for me, since January 7th, which is coming up, because that's when I discovered you, I realized that.
	I remember 7 came into my head.
	Somebody, a friend of mine told me, you know, there's a guy called Dr. Sebastian Gorka and he's on this show on a different station.
	I said, okay, I got to hear him.
	The minute I heard you, I never went back.
	I want you to know.
	So we're together for like four years, you know?
	Since January 2nd, right?
	Four years ago.
	For me, it was January 7, because that's when I discovered you.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Didn't we start on January 1st?
	Yeah, I was gonna say that's not correct, because we had to work New Year's Day.
	It was your first show.
	Why did they make us work New Year's Day?
	What is up with that?
	Because they couldn't start with a fill-in.
	Why wasn't that like a holiday?
	Because we had to have a fill-in or a best-of show.
	I think that's what it was.
	We didn't have anything to do a best-of off of.
	Hey, hello?
	Yes, I'm back.
	I'm just checking in with Mr. G. What else, Judy?
	I like the way you say holiday.
	I love it.
	It's like when I was in Australia, we used to say that.
	I know, what is this thing, vacation?
	You vacate holidays.
	Thank you.
	Yes, holiday.
	Listen, you know what?
	To my two cents, I'm listening to you and Lord Black, and I'm thinking, uh-huh, the way you guys are talking, it's like there's no corruption, and there's no one bought off, and there's all these crooked people in power.
	They're all straight.
	Let me tell you something.
	The guy before you was talking about cartels.
	Stay on the line.
	We'll continue this discussion in the next segment.
	Stay on the line.
	We're talking to Judy from Brooklyn.
	I'm not going to cut her off.
	Why?
	Because, you know, I'm just a nice guy.
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	So you missed the first six days of my program.
	So you may not, in fact, be the most loyal listener.
	I played the fifth.
	Oh!
	Busted!
	What?
	No, I mean, how could I know you were on until someone told me?
	How could you not know that I was on?
	That's what I want to know.
	How could you not?
	My Antipodean friend, how could you not know?
	You were magnetic.
	When I switched to you, and by the way, the other guy I was listening to you was fabulous.
	I think, let me think, his initials are SH.
	Can you figure that one out?
	Okay, he's a friend of yours too in a different place.
	He's not a friend of mine anymore, by the way.
	Okay, well he used to be.
	But anyways, no one could take him away from me.
	Then I heard you.
	It was like a magnet.
	It was like, oh my god, you're electrifying.
	You're fantastic.
	And we take you for granted, but you're just Oh, I'm so glad to hear you're back again.
	Listen, can I hear any more stuff?
	Oh, good, good.
	So I want to tell you something.
	The guy was talking about cartels.
	No, we're not going to talk about that until you're back on the actual show.
	We're in Rumble right now, but I want to save you for the radio program.
	I'm just being super nice to keep you.
	Did you have any mince pies for Christmas, Pud?
	No, none of that.
	Listen to me.
	Why?
	Talk to me about holiday.
	I like that.
	I know.
	It's one of the things I cannot... This whole thing, vacation.
	It's a holiday.
	I'm going on holiday.
	Right?
	We're all going on a summer holiday.
	Remember that song?
	Yeah, Cliff Richard.
	What a pervert.
	But anyway.
	But why not mince pies and Christmas pudding?
	I'm not... I don't know.
	I mean... Don't Australians eat that stuff?
	I eat kookaburras.
	No, you don't.
	You're going to say you eat koala bears next.
	I can repeat.
	I can make the sound of the kookaburra better than they can, than their own kookaburra can do.
	Give me something that's traditionally Australian to eat.
	How old were you when you came here?
	Why are you so big?
	Oh, now we're going to the age part.
	Forget about it.
	I was 12 and change when I got here.
	All right.
	So you must have memories.
	What's something really Australian to eat?
	To eat?
	Yeah.
	Fish and chips.
	Fish and chips in a rolled up newspaper.
	I miss fish and chips.
	I miss fish and chips.
	All right.
	Stand by.
	Sure.
	OK.
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	She stayed on the line.
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	She is Judy from Brooklyn.
	Judy, you wanted to say something about our earlier guest and Tom Homan and cartels?
	Yeah, but before that, I'm also an angel, but I am a Gorka angel.
	Guess what?
	I thought you were Gorka Groupie.
	I thought you were Gorka Groupie.
	I'm a Gorka angel, so is Antoinette.
	She's one of us.
	Does that make me Bosley?
	That makes you the big guy.
	That makes you Barka!
	That makes you... Charlie, I like it.
	All right.
	We need a couple more.
	We need a few more.
	We'll work it out.
	And you know what?
	A few weeks ago, I turned from geek to chic on your show.
	You know how?
	How?
	You had that lady on.
	You had that lady.
	I forgot her name.
	Oh, my God.
	She's like a producer.
	Her father's a... Oh, Amanda Milius.
	Whatever.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	And as she was talking, all of a sudden, I hear this voice.
	And his voice sounded pretty good.
	Do you know why?
	Cause John made her sound good.
	Cause he put some background music.
	It was me saying alright.
	Remember that one?
	Oh yes!
	My liner!
	We love that liner.
	I went from geek to chic because John put on the background music.
	I loved it!
	But that's not the first time we've used that.
	Yeah, but not with background music.
	Made all the difference.
	Alright, that was Alex.
	Alright, get to the point.
	Get to the point.
	Cartels.
	Yes.
	The cartels, the cartels, I hate to tell you, they're running all of Mexico.
	They're a huge part of the problem with this immigration, but more than that, they are taking advantage of a weakened and divided America.
	Guess what?
	And like Obama's JV ISIS, who filled the void, I am really scared because I'm hearing that they are coming here.
	They're coming here.
	They're like the mafia.
	It's very scary.
	They are in control of the border.
	Tom Homan's absolutely right.
	And people will pay the price.
	It won't just be drug deaths.
	There'll be all kinds of violence in America because... We need President Trump!
	Hello?
	Yeah, we do.
	But it's up to us.
	All right.
	Thank you, Judy.
	Happy New Year.
	Thank you for staying on the line.
	Let's go to Greg in Arizona.
	Line 5.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Happy New Year.
	Great to have you back.
	Missed your voice.
	Quick question, though.
	Did McCarthy already have his chance to be a leader?
	So correct me if I'm wrong.
	Didn't McConnell and his buddies help the Democrats neuter the Congress for the next eight, nine months here?
	Hang on, hang on.
	I know Mitch did with that omnibus bill.
	I don't have evidence that Kevin helped engineer it.
	I wouldn't be surprised if he acquiesced, if he agreed.
	But, you know, the scandal is that Mitch McConnell made that happen.
	So, yeah, look, he's, he's, it's time for somebody else as far as I'm concerned, Mark.
	Well, my point, though, would be not necessarily that he helped, but where was he fighting against it?
	It's like, look, hey, if I got this new Conservative Congress, we're going to be the team.
	We're going to come stop all this stuff.
	We're going to make it happen.
	That's the leader I wanted.
	I don't see that leader.
	So he already failed as far as I'm concerned.
	You're absolutely right.
	You're absolutely right.
	And we're going to give you a late A Christmas present for that.
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	Let's go to Mark in Cleveland, Line 1.
	Thank you for taking my call, Dr. Gorka.
	Wow, you sound like you're next door.
	That's creepy.
	That is like, that is such good quality.
	Are you on a landline, Mark?
	Yes.
	Oh, well, there you go.
	All right, carry on.
	I have.
	I don't have any of the fancy gear.
	I just tell everybody I'm a dinosaur.
	You don't have a cell phone?
	I just tell them I'm a dinosaur that's too blind to find a tar pit.
	Hang on.
	Are you serious?
	You do not have a cell phone?
	No, I have none of that.
	God bless you.
	That's amazing.
	I wish I could live like that.
	All right, carry on, Mark.
	Okay.
	Have you ever seen the movie Compulsion?
	I know you're a movie buff.
	Compulsion?
	I don't think so.
	Who's in it?
	Orson Welles, E.G.
	Marshall, and it's about two college boys.
	They're arrogant, highly educated, come from wealthy families.
	Are these the murderers?
	Yeah, they're the murderers.
	Yes, it's based on a true story.
	I checked on that.
	It wasn't a true story.
	It was fictionalized.
	But I thought there was a story of two young men who killed somebody.
	Isn't it based on that?
	Yes, they killed a young boy and they thought they could get away with it.
	And Orson Welles plays the defense attorney.
	E.G.
	Marshall, he plays the prosecutor.
	As a matter of fact, my brother is big on movies.
	He told me E.G.
	Marshall always plays prosecutors in these movies and that's because he was a prosecutor before he got into the movies.
	So why do you bring up compulsion?
	Because this is, this film, this guy What was his name again?
	He just, he committed the murders in Iowa, or in Idaho?
	Yes, I know who you mean.
	Carry on.
	He probably watched this film.
	I swear to God, you gotta see this film.
	Why?
	What are the similarities?
	Oh, arrogant, highly educated, you know, thinking he could get away with something, studying PhD in criminality and that.
	I really think, if you see the film, you'll see what I'm talking about.
	It's just, as I said, he probably watched the film himself and got these ideas.
	Well, look, there is a category of individual called high-functioning psychopath.
	That's actually, you know, a term of art in the science of psychiatry.
	So, you know, if he's studying for a PhD, which he was in criminology, and he commits, you know, murder of four people in one night, That definitely puts him into the category of a high-functioning psychopath.
	But I don't know if I've seen the movie.
	I may have seen it.
	But I'm going to check it out again.
	And anything with Orson Welles is worth the time.
	Stay on the line, Mark.
	Let's give you a signed copy of Why We Fight.
	It's not a cell phone.
	It's not a computer.
	But, you know, it's old school.
	You might enjoy it.
	Thank you, Mark.
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	Is something on the Pope, or...?
	or...
	Congress must investigate the 2020 election.
	Yep.
	Must investigate the 2020 election.
	So, we had our first defection here.
	What?
	Byron Donalds on this third ballot switched from voting for McCarthy to voting for Jordan.
	That's spicy!
	Spicy!
	You're gonna give us that update.
	Come in with some breaking news, Alex.
	Breaking news, alright.
	Is line one getting something?
	What?
	Greg, er, yeah, Mark.
	Mark was getting in my way.
	Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
	Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
	We'll be right back.
	Here's Sebastian Gorka. - Incorrect!
	It's Eric.
	What's the breaking news, Eric?
	We have in the dramatic speaker's race here now on the third ballot our first defection, ladies and gentlemen.
	Our buddy, Congressman Byron Donalds from Florida has switched his vote from McCarthy to Jim Jordan.
	Okay, this is going to get interesting.
	All right, we have our first infection, Byron Donalds.
	All right.
	Oh, I forgot to ask you guys.
	What are your New Year's resolutions?
	Let's start with you, Eric.
	I think my New Year's resolution is to watch even more old movies.
	And to wear a jacket and tie every day.
	I heard.
	Your mother told me that.
	Oh, well, in that case, I guess I have no say in the matter.
	So I guess I'll start doing that too.
	Excellent.
	Alex!
	Oh man, you're going to kill me.
	I don't have it.
	I GAVE YOU AN HOUR AND A HALF TO THINK OF ONE!
	Alright, I'm coming back to you in 30 seconds.
	Gui.
	Yes sir, I hope for this year I will be able to pick a couple of projects from my phoenix file and complete them as documentary films.
	Oh, exciting.
	That's a good one.
	I need to know about those documentary films.
	That's an excellent resolution.
	Unfinished project.
	John, what's your New Year's resolution?
	My New Year's resolution was to not make a New Year's resolution this year.
	Why is that so, John?
	That is just utterly... John, okay.
	Mr. G?
	I don't really do New Year's resolutions, but... Well, John just stole that from you, so you better come up with one.
	One thing I've been putting off that I'm going to do is get and learn how to use a firearm.
	Oh, I think I can know.
	I know somebody could help you with that.
	That's an egg.
	Listen, guys, if you're out there and you don't know how to shoot, shame on you.
	It's un-American.
	Do what Dr. G's doing.
	Teaching Mr. G how to shoot along with his lovely, lovely wife.
	I think that's a great idea.
	All right, Alex, come on, come on, come on.
	All right.
	I saw that Victor Davis Hanson has a Hillsdale College, a free course online that I saw on a YouTube ad, and I want to do that.
	A New Year's resolution is supposed to be hard.
	Well, I mean, it's learning.
	It's something productive.
	Alright, I'm going to ask you tomorrow.
	You better come up with a better one.
	I had a New Year's... I thought that was pretty good.
	What?
	I said I thought that was pretty good.
	It appeals to making yourself better mentally, but it's not exactly giving up chocolate.
	Alright, my New Year's resolution, I'm making this up as I go along, was to finish something I started 33 years ago.
	When I was at the University of London, I started to get scuba qualified in the swimming pool at the University of London Students' Union, and I stopped halfway through and I never finished.
	My son is now an advanced scuba diver.
	On our holidays, we went to a beach resort, which is not my thing, and along with my daughter.
	Let's show the photograph.
	That's me in the front, my lovely daughter in the background, and my son Paul in the back.
	We all, well, two of us got certified, so we can scuba dive wherever.
	And just to prove it was me, next photograph.
	How do you know it's me, Eric, in that photograph underwater?
	As you pointed out, it is the knee brace there on your left leg.
	There you go.
	Subtle, subtle.
	Columbo would be proud, but that is me.
	And I'm so excited.
	It only took me 33 years.
	Persistence, it matters.
	Next, The Deep State with the one and only Lee Smith.
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	And a good sign as to whether there's free speech is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like.
	And if that is the case, then we have free speech.
	And it's damn annoying when someone you don't like says something you don't like.
	That is a sign of a healthy, functioning free speech situation.
	Yes it is, and it's what we believe in here in the United States of America.
	That's why it's the first amendment in the Bill of Rights, and just before the second, which is the right to keep and bear arms, which makes all the other civil rights possible.
	Elon Musk has demonstrated his love for that first amendment.
	Will he survive the onslaught of the deep state and those who wish to see the political differences muzzled?
	Let's ask a man who, likewise, has been a warrior for the truth for far too many years.
	He's a good friend of the show.
	He's the author of numerous works, The Plot Against the President and The Permanent Coup.
	He now has the show at Epoch Times over the target.
	Lee Smith, welcome back to America First.
	Seb, thank you so much for inviting me on today.
	It's great to be with you at Christmastime.
	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
	Nice!
	Yes, indeed.
	Christmas kind of snuck up on us, and we need to remind ourselves that we are in the Utah season.
	Best to you and yours.
	We have so much to cover.
	The Deep State, Bill Barr, latest revelations, the January 6th Committee's attempts to indict my former boss, President Trump.
	But let's start with Mr. Musk, who ran that poll at the weekend, asking people whether he should step down as CEO.
	We had your colleague, your friend, Kash Patel with us this week, and he said, where's the real evidence?
	We knew the DNC collaborated with With, you know, Palo Alto.
	We knew the FBI was meeting regularly.
	We want the smoking gun.
	Will you give us your professional take as the person who's been following this issue closer than anyone else for years?
	Your reaction to, what was it, yesterday on Monday we had Twitter files drop number seven.
	Give us your reaction.
	Well, I mean, I imagine there's a lot of documents there.
	So they've got a lot of stuff to go through.
	That's the first part.
	And look, I mean, it's a little less.
	There's not exactly the smoking gun yet that that we're hoping for.
	But again, there are a lot of documents.
	One.
	The second thing, too, that we need to understand, a lot of the work that the bureaucracies did, the spy bureaucracies, FBI, as well as DHS, Maybe others.
	They work through cutouts.
	They work through civil society partnerships.
	I know, for instance, what DHS did, the sub-agency at DHS, the cyber security and infrastructure Security Agency, CISA.
	They worked through an organization called the Election Integrity Partnership, which consisted of Stanford Internet Observatory, University of Washington unit, as well as an Atlantic Council Digital Forensic Research Lab, something like that, and a private company called Grafica.
	And what these partnership did was, they were basically a cutout that DHS used to censor information on Facebook And on Twitter as well.
	So it's not just the direct information, the direct interference we're talking about here.
	They also used cutouts.
	So there are a lot of different things going on.
	And there are two different components to the Twitter story relating to the FBI.
	First of all, there's the outside FBI, like Elvis Chan and the rest of the people We're part of the Foreign Interference Task Force, the FITF.
	But there's also the internal FBI organization at Twitter, the head of which was former FBI General Counsel James Baker.
	So the censorship industry, Seb, is so enormous, it's going to take a while to sort through this all.
	And to figure out exactly how the FBI and other U.S.
	government agencies interfered in the 2020 election the way they did in the 2016 election with Russiagate.
	So here's my experience in the last few weeks, and I was on a couple of the calls, the Twitter spaces with Elon Musk that were most revealing.
	If you haven't heard the audio, you can hear them on my Social media feeds.
	He was on for more than two hours with one group of more than a hundred thousand people, and I got to ask him a question exactly about smoking guns.
	But I'm on this Twitter space with, you know, thousands and thousands of people, mostly from the crypto sphere.
	I was invited to the first one, and they're connected to Elon.
	And the thing that shocks me is even the host, who's a well-known entrepreneur in the crypto space, It became apparent in the latest discussion yesterday, on Monday, as, you know, drop number seven is being revealed.
	He doesn't even know who Peter Stroke is.
	So how is it that, you know, there are people like you who've written volumes on this.
	One of your books was turned into this amazing film by our friend Amanda Milius, who was in studio last week, The Plot Against the President.
	How is it that there are volumes of material by you, John Solomon, Dan Bongino, Greg Jarrett, And then there are apparently millions of people who aren't plumbers or truck drivers who've got better things to do, but who are in the information space, who are in IT, in high-tech, and they seem to know nothing about what transpired in the last six years.
	Are you shocked at that?
	No, I'm not surprised because between social media and the prestige press, they did an excellent job of shutting the wider public off from understanding what happened with Russiagate.
	And now we're going to see the same thing happen with, I don't know what we're going to call it, but whatever the Twitter files is describing.
	I mean, I happen to think in many ways it's much larger because it represents a whole of society censorship industry.
	But yeah, the press and social media has done a fantastic job of keeping this information away from the broader public.
	And of course, this is what the Twitter files are describing, a censorship regime to block information from reaching people.
	And then, of course, we also have to account for the number of people in the media, as well as the people and stations are at different parts and are ruling classes who have a very big stake in this information not getting out to others, right?
	The people of the New York Times and the Washington Post, they were running the operation, right?
	They're the public face of the national security apparatus.
	So they have a stake in this information not getting out, and they've done a good job about making sure this information is not getting out to withhold it again from the broader public.
	Look, it's surprising the number of people you think would have heard about it.
	It's most Americans have not heard about it.
	So people like you and me and your great audience here and the different people that we get to speak to, they're read in.
	They know what happened.
	They're appalled because they recognize that this is not just about Donald Trump.
	It wasn't just about silencing Donald Trump and silencing the America First movement.
	The size, the money and build out of this censorship regime is meant to long outlast Donald Trump.
	It's meant to replace the Republic.
	So people need to know what's happening.
	Yeah.
	And of course, you add that to what happened yesterday with the the show trial, the January 6 show trial forwarding criminal referrals against President Trump to the Department of Justice.
	Do you think whatever decision finally shakes out and whoever becomes the CEO of Twitter eventually, do you think what we found, even if it's not the smoking gun, do you think these revelations from Taibbi and Weiss and others will have some kind of impact in the industry and in the information space, Lee?
	Yes, definitely in the information space.
	Look, the mainstream press is forced to cover aspects of what's happening at Twitter now.
	Because Elon Musk is making a run at the regime, which includes major media organizations.
	So they're going to have to pay some amount of attention to it.
	But really, Seb, it's going to be the same thing, a lot of the same thing that we saw during Russiagate.
	It is going to be up to people.
	It's going to be up to people like you and me, like the incredible independent Twitter sleuths who helped piece together Russiagate.
	It's going to be up to them, up to us.
	pull this all together to explain what happened.
	There will be people who will find it.
	There will be people who will be surprised.
	Look, whether it's Joe Rogan, whether it's Russell Brand, all of these people, they knew nothing about it as it was unfolding.
	It was only after time that people started to understand what had happened.
	So it When he says it's up to us, he doesn't mean me and him.
	It's up to all of you.
	Leave the record and God willing, people will find it and they will understand what's going on.
	I'm sorry.
	Let me just, you know, embroider on that.
	When he says it's up to us, he doesn't mean me and him.
	It's up to all of you.
	So, you know, there are three million people out there.
	You better be on social media, whether it's only so true social or anything else.
	It's up to us to spread the word.
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	Because I hadn't seen it before, and because I want one, and I can't believe, frankly, I'm a little upset I don't have one already, but it's fantastic, it's great.
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	All right.
	I want you to talk about any aspect of new revelations about the deep state.
	I know you want to talk about Bill Barr, and so do I.
	But let's just, for one moment, I'll pick one and then you can take the conversation wherever you want.
	On one of these later Twitter spaces, the conversation, because these aren't people in the national security sphere, they haven't worked in government, so the conversation kind of gets amorphous and all over the place.
	I tried to bring them all back and I said, guys, guys, stop focusing on individual Slack channel messages and individual emails.
	It's a fascinating glimpse behind the curtain, but it's not the question.
	The question is, How does the Chief Counsel of the FBI, the top lawyer who's called Mr. FISA, Mr. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court, at the FBI, who's been in the DOJ since 1990, how does he magically just move over to be Deputy Chief Counsel of Twitter and end up as the person scrubbing
	The emails before Matt Taibbi gets them, and before Elon Musk finds out and fires him, and I said the only question that matters, and please respond and elaborate, the only question I have is, does anybody who's above the age of nine and have a triple digit IQ actually think James Baker wasn't acting on orders from the FBI, DOJ, or Biden White House?
	For me, that's the question, Lee.
	Oh, I absolutely agree.
	And that's what I meant before when I said that Baker is at the top of the FBI's organizational structure inside Twitter, right?
	There's another FBI organizational structure that's speaking with them outside, but inside Baker's at the very top.
	And it shows you what's been going on the last several years, the merger of social media platforms, big tech, and U.S.
	intelligence agencies.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	All right, so tell us what you think is the biggest take-home for me.
	I try and point this out again and again and again in these conversations.
	What these agencies are fundamentally doing is illegal.
	For those who you know, are watching this from Europe, they're kind of puzzled by some aspects from other parts of the world because those countries like the UK or Germany have internal security agencies.
	They have political police forces that are meant to monitor the nationals of that nation as potential threats to that country.
	We never had that.
	The FBI was not an internal security agency.
	It was meant to go after specific federal crimes.
	Kidnapping, bank robbing, and also counterintelligence missions against other nations.
	After 9-11, with the Patriot Act, with the creation of this unconstitutional FISA court, it kind of morphed itself into a security agency.
	But the issue here is, Lee, that we have U.S. nationalists, nationals being monitored without crimes having been committed and a police agency that has badges and guns getting in bed with some of the most influential carriers of public information today, which is how I see Twitter.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, again, this is what I'm talking about when I'm mentioning the merger of, again, of national security agencies here in the United States with social media platforms.
	And you look at the power that it gives them, Seb.
	So one aspect of it is you mentioned Baker as Mr. FISA.
	Baker was, as Cash describes him, a FISA guru at DOJ, right?
	The guy knew everything there was to know about FISA and obviously wrote the FISA to get the spy warrant on Carter Page, which opened it up onto the entire Trump campaign team.
	And then, of course, the White House.
	But the other things that they were able to do, they were able to shape propaganda as well through Twitter, as well as censorship, right?
	culminating in the disappearing, the President of the United States, Donald Trump.
	So social media has now become an enormously important spy service program, right?
	We always hear about how important FISA is, as a very valuable resource, and I believe the most intrusive method that the spy services have for surveillance.
	Twitter, again, look at how powerful Twitter is.
	Surveillance, censorship, and propaganda.
	The idea that, again, private industry, the private sector, is now in league with our spy services should make all Americans concerned.
	I know it won't, Sab.
	I know your audience cares about it, and the people close to them will care about it.
	They'll talk to them and explain, but we have to face the fact there are a lot of people who are simply, when they hear about it, are going to celebrate it because they think, yeah, it shut down Donald Trump, or it shut down these people in the America First movement, or it shuts down Seb Gorka, or it shuts down Steve Bannon, or it shuts down Lee Smith, who cares?
	It's not gonna touch me, you know?
	And it might not.
	And that's why Seb, this is one of the things I say all the time, finally we're fighting for ourselves and we're fighting for our families and we're fighting for freedom.
	We can't fight for the whole country as much as we might want to, because a lot of them just don't care, and a lot of them, we have to admit, are frankly on the other side.
	So it's about us.
	It's about your audience.
	It's about the people who are out there, their families, their children, the people they care about, and the country they were born in, so that we don't lose that country.
	Absolutely.
	Couldn't put it better myself.
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	All right, so very, very early Monday morning, an individual who was former Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI, Chris Schwecker, had this to say on Fox News.
	Play cut.
	Gosh, the FBI has no business being involved in suppressing free speech.
	I could understand if they had a counterintelligence operation and they saw that some Russian intelligence officers or Russian intelligence operation was attempting to use Twitter to spread misinformation that was advantageous to Russia or could undermine our democracy.
	But I can't see any other scenario Where they could or would or should ban U.S.
	citizens or ban any type of free speech dialogue.
	Never seen it in my entire career, in my 40 years in law enforcement.
	I've just never seen this.
	It's not a proper role for my former agency, which I love.
	I'm looking forward to some hearing.
	Former Assistant Director of the FBI Chris Wecker, after 40 years in law enforcement, says he's never seen anything like it.
	Let me ask you, as the man who wrote the book, The Plot Against the President, that it was turned into an amazing documentary, then the permanent coup.
	Is there any salvaging for the FBI?
	I is one who's worked very closely with them for years and years before I joined the Trump administration.
	My take is its missions have to be given to somebody else.
	The brand is too tarnished.
	There's no reason average Americans should trust this institution anymore.
	Your take, Lee Smith.
	Yeah, I'm in absolute agreement.
	And we're going to see what happens, Seb, when the new Congress opens up and what different Republican House members say about, we know that they're going to want to investigate a whole bunch of different things.
	But the people who are going to come out and say, yes, the FBI needs reform.
	I can't see that carrying a lot of weight with the GOP base right now.
	I mean, we have an FBI that's gone, that's raided Mar-a-Lago, raided the former president of the United States, that's going after pro-life activists, right, that's gone after dissident journalists.
	That's gone after school parents and now we find out has used social media to censor Americans.
	Very, very tough case.
	Very tough case pushing for FBI reform.
	And look, let's remember something else.
	Historically, every different Every different investigation, every different effort to reform the FBI has made the FBI worse than it was before.
	You'll hear people talk about how wonderful the Church Committee was.
	Let's remember what the Church Committee resulted in.
	The Church Committee resulted in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, by which a secret court Pre-authorizing, spying, right?
	So in the event that the FBI or whatever, what other agency breaks the law, they're cleared by this secret court.
	I mean, this is not how the United States is supposed to work.
	And what happened, you were speaking about it a bit before, what happened after 9-11?
	The amount of powers then that were given to the FBI, the amount of money given to the FBI, the way its budgets increased, so I'm afraid to say I'm afraid to be looking at Republican House members who are going to say, like, yes, we have to reform the FBI because Republican voters are not going to stand by it.
	I think I think it's a losing argument.
	And I am 100 percent on board with the idea that this agency needs to be dismantled.
	We need a not reform movement.
	We need it to be dismantled.
	And we need a genuine post Cold War lustration movement to name the outlaws, to name the different people they worked with, and that these people must pay a price for what they did spying on and targeting American citizens.
	That's genius.
	That's genius.
	I'm sorry, as the child of those who suffered under communism, who escaped a communist dictatorship, as somebody who worked for 15 years in a post-communist country after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the idea that we need lustration here, which is the
	from the latin word to shed light on corruption my gosh that that article needs to be written you are an inspiration totally totally totally and and and this point is so often missed by my conservative colleagues they say yes it's great we're going to have a church church or a pike committee like we did in the 70s you mean the disastrous ones that actually made the situation worse you want another committee of that ilk no you need a president who comes in and cleans out the rot from those agencies and ideally
	Moves them out to Nebraska or South Dakota where they're actual patriots willing to work.
	Nicely done, my friend.
	That is why he is Lee Smith, the author of The Permanent Coup.
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	We've got this really nasty information industrial complex that's developed.
	A lot of former FBI officials, whether they were agents or whether they were attorneys or they were public affairs folks, whatever else, have found their way into some really high power jobs in the tech industry.
	And they have very cozy contacts still within the Bureau and the rest of the intelligence community at large.
	And so they're able to do this sort of work.
	They don't have to be asked because they already know what their job is because their loyalty is still to the agency they came from.
	That's what got them there.
	And the second thing is, if it's going to embarrass, you know, the people who brought them to that dance, they're absolutely going to be doing the thing that keeps them Uh, you know, keeps the bread train rolling for them.
	So it's not surprising that he did this.
	I think it's awful.
	I think it's the, you know, everybody I know that works in the FBI that's a decent person would find that atrocious.
	There are a lot more of them that are out there.
	There's a massive hiring of these types that were at the upper levels of seventh floor management in the FBI and other agencies as well.
	They're out there.
	They're all over the place.
	That's Carl Serafim, a very brave man, currently indefinitely suspended FBI special agent, who is a whistleblower, who has spoken out against the corruption in the FBI, the manufacturing of domestic violent extremist cases by the Washington field office, by the Hoover building.
	He's talking about this intelligence community, information technology, industrial complex.
	Here's the big challenge, Lee.
	When I was in the White House, it wasn't just the bureaucrats who were problematic as part of the Deep State, the Strokes, the Comeys, the people like that.
	It was people who were inside the wire who were political appointees.
	People like Bill Barr.
	Bill Barr, who even I had high hopes of, who turned out to be an utter swamp creature, who just prepared the work of the January 6th A witch trial yesterday when he said, I think it was eight days ago, oh yes, I think there's enough evidence to indict my boss President Trump on criminal charges despite him being incapable of mentioning what crimes President Trump committed.
	Give me your take on Bill Barr, the former Attorney General.
	Yeah, I think he disappointed a nation, and that's us, the United States of America.
	When he was first nominated, we were all optimistic that Barr was going to—his mission was To restore public confidence in federal law enforcement agencies, the FBI and the DOJ.
	There was clear, clear evidence of what they'd done during the 2016 election.
	There was clear evidence of what they were doing with the Mueller Special Counsel.
	They were crippling the presidency of the man who was elected to lead our country, Donald Trump.
	And Barr failed.
	To get accountability for 2016.
	And because Barr failed to get accountability for 2016, those same officials, like James Baker, were virtually incentivized to do the same thing in 2020.
	But SEBIT's even worse than that.
	Because we know also now, because Barr has told us, that he knew exactly what was happening in 2020.
	He says in his book, he says he was shocked to find Joe Biden lying about Hunter Biden's laptop, that it was Russian disinformation.
	In other words, Barr knew at the time that the laptop was authentic.
	While Barr knew that the laptop was authentic and not Russian disinformation, deputies of his were out briefing the press, social media, and members of Congress that it was Russian disinformation.
	There were 80 agents attached to the FBI, 80 FBI agents, under Barr's supervision.
	Who were working on this foreign on this foreign task force designed extensively to get rid of foreign disinformation.
	But it was what it was really doing was targeting opponents of Joe Biden.
	This all happened under William Barr.
	It's it's terrifically sad for the country.
	But you'd at least think that Barr would move away from it all now.
	He would keep his head down, having done the work that he did and failed to do the work that he needed to do.
	He would just keep his head down.
	But he just can't stop because that's the nature of the men of Washington, D.C.
	Man with balsa wood spines and they go out there and not only do they help destroy the republic but now he has to keep opening his mouth and going after Donald Trump and going after Donald Trump supporters including many of the January 6th defendants who at the very worst committed misdemeanors.
	And these people have been held now going on nearly two years.
	And this is the role that the former Attorney General of the United States is now playing in our political process.
	It's disgusting.
	So unfortunately, we were all very hopeful about the role that Mr. Barr might play in restoring not just faith in the FBI and DOJ, but in the country as a whole.
	That the justice system meant something.
	Instead, what do we see?
	Not only do Republican voters have less faith in the FBI now than before Barr took office, but the fact that it's a two-tiered system of justice could not be plainer.
	And to whom do we thank for that?
	William Barr.
	It's worse than that because not only did those 80 agents do what they were doing with Facebook and Twitter when he was the Attorney General, for two years the Delaware FBI office had the Hunter Biden and laptops and they did nothing.
	They actually obfuscated, they hid that evidence of crimes and I don't mean the I agree absolutely, 100%.
	And that's why you and I may be the only people on the right who are talking about this.
	It's a bogus investigation.
	It's a performative investigation of Hunter Biden.
	When I hear conservative hosts say, Oh yes, and there's a grand jury inquiry into Hunter Biden.
	I laugh, I laugh.
	You mean the same Hunter Biden whose audio tapes we have heard where he boasts about being in business with, quote, the effing chief spy of China?
	I mean, if I, if I said that on an audio and it leaked.
	I know I would be put in handcuffs.
	I would be arrested the same day that audio leaked.
	Hunter Biden is selling his paintings.
	We're talking to Lee Smith.
	Follow him at Lee Smith DC.
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	I have a favorite question I always like to ask my most patriotic of guests on our show, and it has to do with the work that they're prepared to undertake and the courage that they have.
	You used that phrase just about two minutes ago.
	You described Bill Barr as having a balsa wood spine.
	Well, yours is made out of tungsten and titanium.
	Why is it that you do what you do?
	Because There's a great cost to be paid.
	If you want to be fetted by the establishment, if you want to get those Pulitzer Prizes, you become a hack, a narrator, a narrative purveyor, a propagandist, and, you know, you get the nice cushy jobs at CNN and MSNBC.
	Why do you do what you do, Lee Smith?
	Well, I think, first of all, Seb, you and I, I mean, we have great jobs.
	We get to do, I mean, by fighting the good fight, I mean, look at how much fun we're having.
	Seriously, we're fighting.
	I mean, that's the major thing.
	It's like, and this is one of the things that I found out, reporting plot against the president, you know.
	But Lee, I like a fight.
	I've always liked a fight.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's what it's about, and that's what your listeners like, too.
	I used to say this to former Congressman Nunes.
	He's like, yeah, the difference between you and almost everyone else is that you like to fight.
	And he got it like, I don't like to fight.
	I'm not saying you walk up to people and punch them in the chin.
	I'm saying that, look, Most everyone in the world likes to win, right?
	But a lot of people aren't willing to go through what it takes to get there.
	And some people just like to be in the fight.
	And we are really, I think we're really fortunate, Seb.
	I mean, we're in the middle of a really meaningful fight.
	So that's why.
	Because we get to meet great people.
	We get to do great work, have fun at our work, and we love our country is why.
	I mean, I think it's just that simple.
	I've felt blessed ever since I've gotten to do this.
	And it's good when we look in the mirror, right Lee?
	Yeah.
	I don't know, but it's also, would you do it differently?
	If you were given a choice, would you do it differently?
	No.
	I bet you wouldn't.
	Of course not.
	So, in a sense, I don't even really think about it and look in the mirror, I'm kind of like, I don't know.
	Those people are such creeps.
	Can you imagine what it would be like walking into CNN every day?
	See, that's the point.
	I don't understand how they do what they do.
	I mean, when these people knowingly lie, it's like the Krasenstein brothers are on this Twitter space, you know, with me, and they're always their flax for the establishment.
	I don't know how they do that.
	Very important.
	I've been wondering about this for several years now, right?
	The people who are pushing these lies, let's say when they look at their little boy or little girl and they look up at the parent and they say, like, Mommy, Daddy, is Donald Trump really a Russian spy?
	So what do these people who worked at these places say?
	The journalists at The Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, what do they say?
	Do they say, Yeah.
	He's really a spy.
	Do they continue to push that lie to their children?
	Or do they say, no, it's just a lie that your mommy and daddy tell to advance our careers.
	So, I mean, I think it's debilitating for them.
	I mean, I think it's insane.
	You're torturing your own family, injecting lies into the lifeblood.
	Of your own children, right?
	Of your community.
	Can you imagine that?
	Living this insane lie and profiting from it?
	So look, again, for me, I don't think it's a matter of us looking in the mirror.
	I think it's just like living normal lives and going, you know, this is obvious.
	Because you don't want to live like that.
	You can't live like that.
	What mother?
	He raises their children to live like that.
	Look, son, I'm raising you to live by lies.
	That's how you should live.
	As long as you can make a really good living, live by lies.
	That's insane.
	No American child should be raised like that.
	Beautifully put, beautifully put.
	And that's why he's Lee Smith.
	Follow him on Twitter at LeeSmithDF.

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