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The apartheid child tweeted, the woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters.
That came a day after he used his platforms not only mock the LGBTQ community, but also to go after America's most visible public health official, tweeting, my pronouns are prosecute Fauci.
Not funny.
Dangerous, though.
And the latest example of Musk playing his role in the right's attempt to redefine free speech, which to them, simply put, is whatever conservatives want said, and nothing more.
Because we're censoring the left, right?
When have we censored the left?
Welcome dear friends, I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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You know what?
It's actually hilarious to have the richest man in the world say my pronouns are prosecute Fauci is utterly hilarious.
But you think it's dangerous.
That's weird.
Does that mean for the last six years when you And Rachel Maddow and Michael Avenatti and everyone else in your tiny little bubble were saying, President Trump needs to go to jail!
His whole family needs to be incarcerated!
Was that dangerous?
Was that not funny?
Is it okay when it's somebody who's a conservative?
We see straight through you, but of course it has nothing to do with pointing out the hypocrisy.
It has to do with one very, very simple thing.
If you want to take over a country, if you want to gain political control in perpetuity, meaning not just a rotation after an election and now it's our turn, if you want to have an authoritarian system, what must you do?
It's been the same Since the modern age of communications began.
You can't just militarily take control.
You can't invade your own country.
You have to take over the information.
Originally, it was what?
It was the printing presses.
It was the publishing houses.
It was the newspapers.
Then, by the 1940s, it would be what?
It would be the radio stations.
Look at any successful revolution.
The first thing the revolutionaries have to capture are the means of mass communication.
Radio stations.
Then by the 50s and 60s, the epicenter would be the national TV headquarters.
So you could control the 6 o'clock news, the 9 o'clock news, so your party hat can be put in the screens in the living rooms of every nation, every home across the nation.
That's passé.
Who reads it?
I can't even remember the last time I picked up a newspaper.
Probably in a green room somewhere where I was giving an interview.
Who reads newspapers anymore?
What about television?
Who gets their news?
Who sits down dutifully at six o'clock for the news bulletin?
When I was a kid, my gosh, everything stopped at six.
Your parents sat down with you and you watched the six o'clock news and then later the nine o'clock news.
Nobody does that anymore.
Where do you get your news from?
Your phone, your tablet, social media.
So if you want permanent political control, What must you, must you have an iron grip over?
It must be the tubes of information that are not the information superhighway, but they are the social media superhighway.
From TikTok to Twitter, from Facebook to Instagram, and of course, the almighty search engine that is Google.
If you can have your political favorites amplified, if you can de-amplify, suspend, delete those you disagree with, even if they're elected presidents with 93 million followers on your platform, is there a greater form of control?
You've silenced An individual who was elected to be the head of state.
That is true power.
And along comes somebody who, well, who knows what his final motivation might be.
But simply that one tweet, my pronouns are prosecute Fauci, you know why it's so delicious?
Because it's not just a Kicking the pants for the left and their vaunted, anointed hero, the diminutive man who masks everybody except himself when he goes to a ball game, the person who says, yes, yes, triple-double vaccinations and double-triple boosters and maybe we'll have to cancel Christmas.
He's also bursting the bubble.
Of the lies, the Orwellian lies.
Pronouns?
Pronouns?
It's hilarious!
He's making fun of the whole artifice, the house of cards, that is Wokery.
In humankind, there is only man and woman.
There is no changing your chromosomal makeup.
I'm a man.
I was born a man.
I will die a man.
No matter what I do to myself, chemically or surgically, does not change that.
Whatever I call myself, whatever way I dress myself, matters not one whit to the absolute truth of what I was created.
The whole idea that your identity as a man or a woman is plastic, is malleable, is fungible, has one purpose and one purpose alone.
To deny truth.
To deny the undeniable.
And to sow chaos and confusion.
That is the project of the left, because if they can sow confusion and chaos as the progenitors, as the instigators of that confusion and chaos, they can be the people who come in and say, oh, let me fix that for you.
You're a girl who's confused.
You're a girl who's sad and lonely at the age of 13.
Well maybe you're a boy.
Listen to me and let me help you.
It's demonic!
It's a cult.
It's a modern Gnostic cult.
Where those who dismantle everything promise to give you the answers when in fact they have destroyed any possibility of any true meaning for those who buy into the cult.
So carry on Elon!
Whatever your final destination may be You've made all the right friends and it is a delight, it is a delicious delight to behold.
And the more enemies you make of the ilk you've made in the last four months, the more you are likely on the right track.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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All right, I don't know how to tee up this next segment because it's a little bit out of left field.
For those of you who think I'm just the guy with the funny accent who used to work in the White House and has a TV and a radio show now and can give you an eight-hour lecture on Al-Qaeda, I also love movies, and especially science fiction.
Every Monday afternoon, we have our Making Movies Great Again.
But I spent a very short stint, about one week, as a film reviewer, or rather a science fiction special effects film reviewer, because my brother-in-law bought a very famous magazine in the field called Cinefantastique.
I was living in Europe, and he said, hey, they're making a film called Alien vs. Predator.
You need to go to Prague where they're filming it and interview the people on set.
And I did.
And I met a legend in the industry, and I found him on Instagram, connected, and he's coming on the show!
Alec Gillis.
Welcome to America First.
Thank you for having me, Sebastian.
I really love the way that science fiction Monster movies kind of bridges all creeds and beliefs and really pulls people together.
And you're proof of that.
And thank you for having me on.
That's very kind.
There is one exception to that rule.
My producer who hates science fiction and Jeff is a lesser person for it.
So Jeff, we're gonna we're not gonna give up on you, Jeff, but we will do the We will do the Alec, we will do the Kubrick, you know, we'll do the clockwork orange and sit you down in front of some classic science fiction movies over Christmas.
Your wife has already said I can do that to you.
All right, so let's start at the beginning.
You've worked with the biggest name in the industry.
Will you tell us a little bit story about who Alec Gillis was, is, and how you got into this?
You know, you get paid to have fun.
It must be the coolest job in the world, no?
I'm very fortunate.
I've not only Not only do I get paid, but I get to travel the world, and I have a phenomenal crew that's been with me for some of them for decades.
So, yes, indeed, I'm a very lucky person.
And the movies I work on are not controversial.
Generally speaking, they're not controversial.
They tend to be fun, they tend to be monsters, and they tend to spark the imagination.
Of all kinds of people and I'm very grateful to be involved in it.
How do you get involved and tell us a little bit about the effect of Stan Winston on your career?
Well, I met Stan Winston about five years into my career.
I met him through James Cameron.
I had worked with James Cameron at a place called Roger Corman Studio.
Roger Corman was the king of the bees and Jim was not James Cameron at that point.
But he went on to do The Terminator, and that's how Stan Winston called me, because Jim had referred Stan to me.
I was sadly already committed to a movie called Friday the 13th, Part 4, the final chapter.
Turned out not to be the final chapter, but I did get to show Stan my portfolio, and I came in just around the time of Aliens.
And I got to go to London and work on Aliens, which was a, you know, cinema history.
So from that, I spent a few years at Stan's and then formed my own company with a guy named Tom Woodruff Jr., who was also one of the Stan kids.
And then we spent 34 years as a team creating movies.
34 years?
You don't seem old enough.
What did you start at the age of 10?
Come on, Alex.
Well, yeah, I'll go.
We'll go with that.
All right, and tell us, explain to everybody who doesn't watch all the behind-the-scenes stuff like us geeks do, that what you invented on Aliens was the trash bag demo, right?
Explain the trash bag demo.
Yeah, well, we were trying to just, it was a proof of concept, how do we see if the ideas that Cameron had were going to work?
Which was to put two performers inside a monster queen alien, and they would operate the arms.
So we did a mock-up out in the alley behind Stan Winston's shop, and we kind of like covered it in trash bags and made it out of cardboard.
And it kind of became an industry standard in my wing of the industry that if you need to do a prototype, you just whack it together and call it a trash bag.
Now, what are you most proud of?
I think the queen alien, the mother alien is an iconic SFX of the ages.
But personally for you, is there something else?
What is the product, the sculpting, the mechanism, the thing that you look back and you say, wow, yeah, that's my baby?
It is very well like a baby I have four children four daughters and it's you know you don't want to like say which one's the best but because there is no best it's all subjective and to me what was the most fun what was the most fun movie to work okay I'll rattle off a couple of a Jumanji the original Jumanji was a blast I imagine head was a blast tremors I really enjoyed tremors Starship Troopers was a ton of fun, but we managed to have fun on all the movies we work on.
Even the ones that are miserable, where you're standing in the freezing fake rain like one of the alien.
AVP-R was a, you know, I've never been so cold.
It was cold in Prague, but it was colder in Vancouver under this fake rain.
But you find a way to laugh through it all and hope that what you're doing resonates with people.
And really, you know, for me, it's indulging the inner child.
I know for you it's work.
I mean, it's 20 hour days.
It's, you know, sweat, blood and tears.
But also, I remember the day I met Ray Harryhausen.
He came to the British Film Institute in London.
He gave a lecture.
And it's just, you're going back in time to your childhood when you meet people like that.
I mean, it's just so joyful.
When I met Ray, I was 17 years old.
I waited in line at a convention to have him.
Sign the film fantasy scrapbook that he did.
And I was so nervous.
And I said to him, you've given me a lot of nightmares, sir.
And he said, he said, it's cleanses the soul.
And the way he leaned in, it was like you're like your uncle or your grandfather.
And you could see that he still loved it.
And so I try to hold on to that, the love of what got me into it rather than deadlines and contract negotiations and all that stuff.
All right.
My producer will try and find me.
I don't think that's possible, but we're going to keep you over for one more segment because I'm having far too much fun.
He's Alec Gillis.
Follow him on Instagram.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
This is America First, wherever you are, whatever you're doing.
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Yes.
Okay, cut back to them, please, guy.
All right.
All right, so Mike's is still hot in the break, three-minute break, and then we'll have one more segment for seven minutes, and then we'll let you go.
Fantastic.
I look forward to giving you a close up view of some of these.
Yes, we'll do that.
We'll talk a little bit about AVP.
You'll give us a little bit of a tour.
And then I'm going to ask you your advice for people who think that they should try their hand and how do they start in the business?
Oh, yeah, sure.
It's a new world out there now.
Right.
But come on, practical is always the best.
Practical.
It is.
It's just, it's, it's that, it's that, you know, it's a, it's more of a global market now.
There's some really fantastic things being done.
As you probably see on Instagram, there are a lot of really wonderful artists working.
Is there anything else I should mention?
Is there a website?
In addition to Instagram, you want me to post your company's name?
Maybe you could mention my new company, which is Studio Gillis.
I've gone out on my own.
My partner of many years, we've amicably split.
He's on the East Coast doing work that he loves doing, and I'm here continuing, you know, the L.A.
creation.
Right, will you put that, will you put Founder Studio Gilles on the Chiron, Eric?
It's there.
You got that, Eric?
It's there, yes.
Good, perfect.
Okay, and then do that as well on the, just add his Instagram.
Yes, which is Alec underscore Gillis.
Put it on the same line.
So tell us about Tom.
Is he still in the field or what?
He's on the East Coast?
Yeah, he's moved.
You know, he's an East Coast boy.
He moved back to his hometown in Pennsylvania.
He's writing and he's pursuing getting some directorial projects off the ground.
He's living the life of an artist.
So having a wonderful time doing that.
Well, give him my regards.
I know Prague was a long time ago, but a big, big fan of both of you guys.
Thank you for that.
So Jumanji, that must have been quite the project.
Yeah, it really was.
It was at a time when, you know, the digital stuff was pretty new.
So there was a very exciting overlap of happening.
But working with Robin Williams, as you can imagine, was a lot of fun.
Why is it that you can always tell whether it's practical?
I mean, within a certain degree, you can still... human beings can still... there's something about our perception, isn't there?
Yeah, there is.
I mean, to be fair, there's a lot of digital work that you'd never notice because it's so photoreal.
Right, but it's small details.
But if it's a big thing... It is.
For me, it's because A real object is photographed with an actor in the same light as that actor.
Yes.
And you're also eliciting a response from that actor.
Acting is reacting.
So if you have something other than a green tennis ball, you're already ahead of the game.
And we're really at a time right now where filmmakers are starting to really appreciate it.
And they want the old school stuff, the analog stuff they remember from their childhood, because it has so much presence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I see it coming back.
I see it coming back.
Yeah.
We did a movie called Smile that's done quite well.
It's a horror movie that has some really nice practical work in it.
I'll check that out.
All right.
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We're back with Alec Gillis.
He is a legend in the special effects world.
He is the founder of the new studio, Gillis.
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First things first, AVP, I've got to go back to where we met in Prague, Alien vs. Predator.
Play a little bit of the B-roll in the background, if you would, please, Eric.
Maybe it's just nostalgia that this is the first movie of its ilk where I was on the set.
I was an extra in a B-movie called Shadow Chaser in the 90s.
But for me, I have warm feelings for this movie.
I think it is underrated.
Where do you stand?
I know you worked on it, but where do you stand on it, Alec?
I think that it is pure entertainment.
And I agree with James Cameron.
We're in the pantheon of alien and predator movies.
He listed it at about number four out of many, many movies.
And I think Paul Paul Anderson did a fantastic job directing this.
And, you know, I really delivered for the fans.
It's a PG 13 movie.
So that initially had some fans.
You know, grousing a little bit, but it has really taken its place in the pantheon.
I think people are really starting to come around to enjoy it.
All right.
We may not start Jeff on his science fiction journey with AVP, but it's up there for me as well.
And also, guys, it's got Lance Henriksen in it.
Come on.
It's got Lance Henriksen in it.
Alright, gotta show our viewers on the Salem News Channel.
Pick up that camera, show us where you're sitting.
This is my kind of office.
Show us what you've got behind you.
Yeah, let me, I'm gonna just walk you around a little bit since I think you like the details.
You remember this guy from AVPR, that's the wolf predator.
Mandibles!
Yeah, mandibles and all the scars from his many battles with aliens.
This is the Alien-predator combo.
This was an alien that gestated inside the body of a predator, and that's why he's got that combination of the characters.
This is from AVP, the first one.
This was a miniature version.
This is a casting of the queen's head.
It's a third-scale queen.
Which we modified a little bit to the tastes of the director.
We always try to do that to, you know, not just do the same thing over and over again.
Oh, here's a couple of original characters of mine for a project that I'm trying to get off the ground.
And you may remember, oh, let me just point out eyes.
We love to put the attention to detail in the eyes.
You can see how alive they are.
That thing looks alive, Alec.
I'm sorry.
Those eyes make that thing look alive.
Yes, and this is what I think where I think Practical Effects has a great value is that there's a presence and a soul to well done Practical Effects.
And it's in the same scene as an actor, the light that is falling on the actor falls on this character, you know, as well.
And that's what makes it look so very real.
All right, I got one.
I got one thing to finish on that one.
That's a famous one.
Okay, yes, there's Goro from Mortal Kombat.
We just did this fun piece.
This is a 3D scan of my original sculpture of the head, and then we added the hands and we've given it this I've got one thing to say, Alec.
Your office is far too cluttered and I think you need to get rid of at least one or two of those.
Is that right?
Yeah, I've got some space here.
We'll talk later.
My guys will talk to your guys.
We've got a minute left for all the big kids out there who are thinking, this is what I want to do for a living.
What advice do you give to people who maybe want to start at the bottom?
What do you got to do?
Well, I'll say that while the computer world has really taken over a lot, gaming as well as a lot of film work, there is a resurgence of practical effects that I see happening, which I'm very happy about.
So if you're interested in creature effects, there are many ways to do this.
There's more information out there than there ever has been.
I like some of the school's online school.
There's one called the Stan Winston School of Character Arts, which the son of my mentor, Stan Winston, has created.
And it's a really great program that you can go through, learn design and a lot of other techniques.
There are some other, if you like the brick and mortar, there's a place called Cinema Makeup School here in Los Angeles that's quite good.
But do some research and figure out what your opportunities are like.
You know, there's more work being done in Europe, more film work being done in Europe than ever before.
So there's a lot of opportunities.
And get on Instagram and start following artists because there are some phenomenal work being done all over the world.
Start with Alec underscore Gillis.
Follow him.
You'll get all the other recommendations.
And I've got one thing to say to you, as you said to Ray Harryhausen.
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They're always encroaching, always nibbling away at our freedoms, at our liberties.
The ATF is busy.
They've just sent their recommendations to the White House to ban or to turn into an NFA category restricted item.
Something that, I don't know, tens of millions of Americans are enjoying absolutely peaceably and legally every single day.
Let's talk to the man who invented, who brought this product to reality.
He is Alex Bosco of SB Tactical.
Alex, welcome back to America First.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me again.
So you came up with the commercial version of this thing called a pistol brace that allows especially our wounded veterans to safely shoot a weapon on the range in a way that is controllable.
It kind of braces the The ATF wants to reclassify this and put it under the category of a short-barreled rifle with tax stamps, $200 and everything else.
What is the status of this proposal?
Is it at the White House?
Is it a fait accompli?
Can our 3 million listeners do anything about it?
Well, fait accompli is probably for sure in the sense that the ATF has been politicized.
I think we've known this for quite some time now.
But, you know, what we're at right now is that the ATF has sent the document to the White House for approval.
It goes through the office of, and there's an acronym for it, it's called OIRA, but I don't remember what that stands for.
Essentially, what they're waiting for now is for this thing to drop.
Now, we don't know exactly what they're going to say in this document, But we have several clues because they proposed to us, you know, back a few months ago that they wanted to come up with a point system.
They wanted to make some kind of new definition.
The biggest issue here is this, because I don't want to bore the people that are listening to us.
And you too, of course.
But what I do want to do is I want to explain something.
What happens here is you have an agency, an ABC agency, that is essentially coming up with new definitions to codified law.
And what does that mean to people like me and you?
What it means is that they've circumvented Congress.
So they're going to come up with some new ideas that will go against what was codified law through the National Firearms Act, through the Gun Control Act.
And they're going to say, these new, let's call it definitions, are going to be how we look at things from now on.
And what does that mean for people like me and you who own this product?
Well, what it means is that We're they're not going to essentially they're going to make us criminals.
We know that they're going to make us criminals.
And essentially what it means is that they've made law.
This is the thing that should disturb everybody.
And it was the case West Virginia versus EPA that just came out this past summer that actually said that that these ABC agencies cannot do this.
So we're in a good spot.
We do know that the ATF is probably going to drop this in the next couple of weeks.
This is what they've been talking about.
December was the time frame.
And they're essentially going to say probably that these things are illegal.
That's the way they're going to do it.
Now, it's not going to happen right away.
It's not going to happen right away.
It takes a hundred and some odd days for it to get approved.
I've been on the telephone every single day with people that you and I both know and hold very dear.
And so I do hope that some of these people are going to get involved.
But for now, it will probably come out within the next week or so.
And what's the estimate in terms of numbers of what you've sold, what you've licensed?
We're talking about millions and millions of people, right?
Well, I mean, I can only talk about what I've sold, I can tell you that the Congressional Research Services, which is the group that does studies for Congress before they come out with laws, has estimated between 10 and 40 million.
I will tell you that the number is more than 10 million, and I will tell you that the effect on the industry is in excess of $2.8 billion, and that's according to the ATF, the people that want to abolish this thing.
Is it more than And is it true that the braces are made in Mitch McConnell's home state of Kentucky?
They are made in the home state of Kentucky of Mitch McConnell.
We've spoken to McConnell several times about this.
I've discussed it with Jim Jordan, Thomas Massey.
All of these people are working hard at this.
Now, could this have been taken care of a long time ago?
Absolutely.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it right now, and there are some really good folks working on this, Sebastian.
So you're talking to millions of listeners across the country.
Is there anything they can or should do right now?
Absolutely.
The one thing they should be doing is calling their congressman.
Now, people say it, oh, you should just pick up the phone and call your congressman.
I know that it's not that easy, but it's something that people should do, number one.
People should find somebody to support.
There are a lot of groups out there.
The one that I support is Frack Action.
You can go to frackaction.org.
They are at the spearhead.
They're at the tip of the spear on this issue.
But go to GOA.
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Those are the kind of folks that are going to... You need grassroots for this.
We need everybody to chip in.
Alright, so it's the Firearms Regulation Accountability Coalition, or just go to FRAC, that's F-R-A-C, fracaction.org.
And by the way guys, just a little bit of an inside baseball, phone calls matter, but phone calls are easy.
Emails are even more important, and guess what?
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But an old school letter counts as 200 phone calls.
So if you've got the time, if you've got the patience, you know, remember letters?
Yeah.
Get a piece of paper, write it up, send it in to the senators or the congressman's office and tell them, no, this is...
Legislation coming from the executive that is un-American.
It is unconstitutional.
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That was so great!
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Jeff was so excited, he's taking a nap!
No, you know what happened?
Jeff oh-so-comedially left before that segment started.
No!
Did he now?
Did he now?
He plans this stuff, you know.
What are we gonna do with Jeff?
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We gotta start thinking of what's one sci-fi movie he might actually like.
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- We know now clearly Twitter was not a private company.
Twitter was a FBI subcontractor.
Twitter was a DNC donor.
And if the media wants to say this is just a right-wing conspiracy, have at it.
Twitter is at the center of every controversy we've had over the last three years.
They're going to try to argue the fact that the American public doesn't want to know about COVID, doesn't want to know about FBI subterfuge, doesn't want to know about political grandstanding, Chinese spies, doesn't want to know about censorship.
He has a way with words.
He's Jesse Waters, one of the good guys left at Fox.
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The FBI were used, Twitter is a subcontractor, to do an end run around the Constitution and to impede and infringe our First Amendment rights and the First Amendment rights.
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Conrad!
Yes, sir?
All right.
A dark, dark piece you wrote.
Your last piece for the Epoch Times.
Dark?
I wouldn't say dark.
No, I mean the choice.
The stark.
A stark choice.
Oh, stark.
Yeah, yeah.
Look, I'm an optimist.
I think it'll work out.
But I've been following these things for 60 years, more than that.
Since the second Eisenhower term.
I have never been so alarmed at the state of politics in the U.S.
The country is trying to vote against both parties, and they have nothing to replace them with.
It's not good.
That's a good point.
Alright, we'll talk about the article, but first let's talk about the latest revelations on Twitter.
Yeah, again, it doesn't surprise you and me, but it is absolutely shocking.
And what is the most shocking thing is the ho-hum it receives from most people.
That's the question.
That's exactly what I want to raise with you.
That's exactly what I want to... And from the mainstream media.
The actual black hole that it's fallen into.
And they're, of course, complicit in all of it, too.
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The End
The End We don't have any.
You don't have any?
And if we had, I guarantee you my husband would be in somebody's jail by now.
Michelle Obama on the Jimmy Kimmel show saying, uh, Obamas don't have any secret, uh, data documents at home, and if they did, her husband would be in somebody's jail.
What a strange comment.
I guess the fact that there are over 30 million documents in an unguarded Furniture warehouse in Chicago waiting for the Obama Library to be built escaped her attention.
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He is the author of numerous works on American presidents and so much more and the co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
Thanks, Sebastian.
Glad to be back, even if I'm preceded by Mrs. Obama, whose charms have always escaped me, but I don't want to be ungracious.
But what a strange comment.
If we had secret documents, my husband would be in somebody's jail.
Isn't that a bit peculiar?
No, not for her and not for the general tone of her husband's administration.
It was always rabidly partisan and specialized in really slandering the opposition and masquerading as a pillar of virtue that commanded the deference of everybody.
Of course, it's absolute pompous nonsense.
I mean, Eric Holder ran, next to Merrick Garland, the most Um, outrageously, and at times illegally, partisan political operation ever in the history of the Department of Justice.
I mean, I occasionally put in a plea for J. Edgar Hoover, who obviously got a little carried away at times, and in his, I think, 48 years as the chief of the FBI and its predecessor organization, you know, did function in a way that you know, did function in a way that would give one pause.
But he never interfered in presidential elections, and he always was very careful on any questions of, you know, the political balance within the country.
And that's all been thrown at the window.
I mean, under the Obamas, the Justice Department became, and under Biden even more so, is it simply an arm of the Dirty Tricks division of the Democratic National Committee?
Yeah.
So I don't think Mrs. Obama is in any position to make self-righteous pompous asides on the lack of probity of anybody else.
Given that her husband, the Attorney General, actually said in an interview that he is President Obama's wing-man, quote-unquote.
Yeah, or point-man, whatever it was, what he defined it as being.
using the law in any way convenient to the president whom he served.
I respect his loyalty, but not his devotion to the oath he took.
Let's talk about the big news here for the last two weeks, and that is the continual rolling out of the so-called Twitter files.
We're on dump number five as of the last 48 hours.
In the beginning I caused a bit of a stir amongst my conservative compatriots when I said the initial documents were no big deal, no smoking gun, the idea that the DNC was Colluding behind the scenes with a company who 98% of voted Democrat in Palo Alto shouldn't surprise anyone, but the recent revelations of weekly meetings between the FBI, DHS, and the Office of the Director for National Intelligence with Twitter.
How long can the mainstream media ignore these stories, Conrad?
Well, look, I have, I'm afraid, a somewhat ghastly, sinking feeling that since they are so severely implicated in all of this, they feel their own survival is tied up in continuing to ignore them, and I think that's what they're going to do.
Now, I'm hoping that the dissenters in the media, such as the Fox organization, for example, We'll get the message out properly.
But what I have to say, Sebastian, what scares me is, I've had an exchange just in the last few days in columns that we've read, a very positive, courteous exchange with Professor Paul Gottfried, and he feels that there is now, unfortunately, convincing evidence
That a huge number, and probably a majority of Americans, simply don't care if millions of illiterate peasants are pouring illegally into the country, bringing literally tons of fentanyl with them.
They don't care if the first family of the land has been conducting an international grifting operation, leveraging off the head of the family's high positions in government for decades.
They don't care about skyrocketing crime.
They don't care about any of it.
Now, I don't agree with that.
I think the majority is still there.
I think Mr. Nixon's silent majority of decent, sensible Americans is still there.
But they've been immobilized.
It's terribly worrisome.
But if we stick exclusively to what Twitter has now been revealed to be doing, and in your former position as somebody running multiple newspapers across more than one continent, doesn't this go to the nub of whether we have free and fair elections?
Because the number of people in comparison to 20, 30, 40 years ago who get their political information with which to judge a candidate from a newspaper I'm afraid not.
day to those who get their political information from the likes of Facebook or Twitter.
I mean, if we can't, if we have political censorship on the primary sources of political information, can we have free elections, Lord Black?
I'm afraid not.
And what you can have, I think, is the other party becoming more astute than the Republicans have been in the last election and these latest midterm elections at putting up its side of things.
We're We all recall in 2016, Trump outsmarted them.
He really in ran the entire national political media by his cunning use of social media.
And the social media barons who are raving liberal limousine Democrats, you know, socialists of everyone's money but their own, And well paid for it in tax concessions and so forth, the Silicon Valley and Wall Street.
You know, they were so scandalized that they were foxed by Donald Trump that they certainly took their vengeance in 2020 and 2022.
But I mean, what we have to have to start with is the Republicans being as agile at dealing with ballot harvesting and floating election days and prolonged election periods and that sort of thing.
They haven't caught up with that.
I think they've set some of the rules, most of the rules straight in the several states that were altered supposedly because of the pandemic, but really in order to rig the elections against Trump quite unconstitutionally.
But Trump wasn't organized to fight that way.
Well, I think they set that right.
The most stunning display, I think, in Georgia, where the reforms they made, which Joe Biden referred to as a reenactment of Jim Crow and a return virtually to slavery, has been a stunning success and sharply increased participation by African Americans.
But if the Republicans can get that back, They can also make a better presence for themselves in the social media.
I mean, a start, I guess, was the platform that President Trump founded himself.
So they can make a better fight of it.
But it's terribly difficult here.
What we need are more Elon Musks and people who own these outlets and platforms and operate them in a fair and nonpartisan way.
And, look, I think in that regard, Elon Musk is a man who has earned the gratitude of the country, regardless of party.
I mean, what we want is honesty in the media.
I mean, both parties come to bat, and half the people are in one and a half and the other at any time.
And we've got to – the system's worked well for 230 years, and we've got to keep it working well.
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What do you think of these challenges to Rona McDaniel? - Yo.
Well, I don't know her, but I've always been impressed with her when I've seen her interviewed on television.
But on the other hand, somebody has to carry the can for this.
Let us not deceive ourselves.
These last midterms were a terrible lost opportunity, and the National Committee Didn't prepare for them properly.
And maybe she's not to blame for that.
I don't know that.
But on the face of it, if I had a vote there, I think, subject to being persuaded otherwise, I'd tend to go for Harmeet Dhillon.
But I want to say, I think Ronna McDaniel is a fine person and has done her best.
But that was a very disappointing election result.
And someone has to And maybe, you know, I don't want to scapegoat anybody, but somebody made some mistakes there.
And it's hard to believe for me that the head of the RNC isn't in that category.
What do you think?
I think the fact that since 2017 she hasn't won an election means that it's time for fresh blood.
I think it's, you know, we need either, you know, we need somebody who's going to make the requisite changes.
And I think 2020 What was the time she should have left?
Because we were told, not just by the President, but others, that if you mail out 80 million votes, you will see a skewed election.
You will see the perpetration of skullduggery.
And they just didn't prepare for it.
They were caught short on the back foot, and they were responding after the fact.
And that's just ridiculous.
Yeah, now in fairness, I really go by Molly Hemingway's book here, and she laid a fair bit of that on Trump himself for making the wrong personnel choices about the legal challenges.
But I think you're right.
From all I've seen of Ronald McDaniel, I like her.
I like her politically, and I think she seems an attractive personality.
But somebody has made some terrible mistakes there.
She's been the head of the RNC, so I think she walks the plank, but not ever to return.
I mean, she's got a role to play, but I think she needs a change of venue.
All right, I've got one more question on the Twitter revelations, and then we're going to talk about your article.
Okay, whatever you want.
Good.
I've had an exchange the last couple of days with Paul Gottfried, and he wrote in American Greatness, but he referred to me.
It was a very courteous, pleasant exchange, very positive exchange.
But he disagreed with me, and he basically thinks that the majority of Americans just don't care about civic values anymore, and I don't believe that.
I would be curious where he lives.
I doubt he lives in South Dakota or, you know, West Texas.
Yeah, I think that's right.
I mean, he'd probably be a little more of an optimist if he did, but I just don't believe that.
And while you may find some of my comments pessimistic, I'm not a pessimist.
I always have been.
No, no, no.
I know you're not.
It's just that the stark delineation at the end of your article, the two choices we have is, you know, it is fair.
It is fair, but it's stark.
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I have one last question before we move to your latest piece of the Epoch Times.
If you read the documents that these journalists are being allowed to divulge, thanks to Elon Musk, these so-called Twitter files drops, You see something reinforced yet again, that the members of the elite, in this case Palo Alto and Big Tech, There's been such a level of arrogance that it's mind-numbing, Conrad.
The fact that we see screenshots of the internal tools used at Twitter that have tabs, that have buttons above individual accounts for the likes of Charlie Kirk and others, that say de-amplify or blacklist on searches.
These aren't very smart people, are they, Conrad?
No.
No, they are not.
And they're not very ethical.
You know, I don't hold it against Jack Dorsey that he looks like Charles Manson's accomplice, but he did lie to Congress.
Now, I accept that it wouldn't be easy to prove that he knew he was lying when he was lying, but the fact is, he was lying.
And, you know, it just makes your point that there's nothing wrong with jack dorsey or anyone else having the political views they do they're obviously like like we are they're entitled to their opinions like everyone
everyone is and they're entitled to express them but i don't think they're entitled to abuse a privilege created by the uh the the agreed misrepresentation of these platforms as mere forums of built-in intrinsic
neutrality and in fact transform them into extremely effective and influential agents of one half of the electorate against the other and then go to congress and lie about it and And I think that just bears out your point.
They're not stupid men, so they must be arrogant, as you say.
And I cite Dorsey, but he wasn't the only one.
But to put, it's like, you know, you build a machine and you put a button on the keypad that says blacklist and you think that nobody's ever going to see the machine or one day the company won't be bought by somebody else.
I mean, that's a level of arrogance.
There won't be somebody who works there and suddenly, you know, like Igor Gusenko fleeing the Russian embassy and Soviet embassy in Ottawa in 1945 saying, I can't be a part of this crime anymore.
Right.
Right.
Because here it's not a story in the mainstream media.
Is it a story north of the border, the Twitter files?
It's a sizable story, yes.
And not only in Canada, it's a big story in Europe too.
Right, so in your latest piece, A Point of Political Immobilization, it's fascinating because Victor Davis Hanson last week wrote a piece asking the question whether Yeah, I think it is.
I thought... I mean, you were there.
despite having announced his candidacy.
And near the end of your article, you say Trump must decide if he really wants to win.
Is that a strange place to be in just after having announced?
Yeah, I think it is.
I thought, I mean, you were there.
Tell me if I'm mistaken.
But I thought he gave an excellent speech.
He did!
I see Peggy Noonan panned it on Saturday, but Peggy doesn't like Trump.
I thought it was good-humored, there was no disparagement of anybody else.
He put out a reform agenda, took the lead on a whole bunch of policy issues from term limits for the Congress to Well, I won't go through them, but there was quite a range of things.
Very sensible, I thought, and bound to attract a lot of support.
And I thought, and I said to my wife, if he just continues in this vein, it'll be like the new Nixon, you know, it'll be a new Trump.
And people will forget about all the controversy that causes, I think, a big reflexive fear and a very large number of American voters that, you know, Trump means chaos.
And the Democrats play to that.
And I think if he could just settle things down a bit, I think he's still a winner.
So what I said was not to presume to advise him and certainly not to, you know, to imply that I didn't wish him well and hope he did well.
But I think if he just bowls ahead, you know, having racist lunatics to dinner and, you know, making ambiguous statements about the Constitution— Now, he didn't really, in my opinion, advocate setting the Constitution aside.
He made the point that the Constitution wasn't being effective in this very important area we've just been talking about.
I think if he just takes the trouble to avoid these more obvious pitfalls, he's still a winner.
So I think my position was a little different from Victor's, but that's the issue.
Is it his to lose?
If he stays on the Trump 2.0, is it his to lose?
I would say he's the frontrunner all the way through.
I mean, I have high respect for a number of prominent Republicans, Governor DeSantis, Governor Abbott, Governor Youngkin, Senator Cotton.
Michael Pompeo, a number of them.
All of them, first class.
But there's only one Donald Trump.
He's a strong leader.
He's got an army of supporters.
And if he just pitches his message a bit differently, he'll pick up more of the independence, and it'll become impossible for the Democrats to just point at him, shout the word Trump, and frighten half the people, which is what they did just last month.
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Welcome back, Don.
Oh, Dr. G. Judgment is coming, and justice with it, God willing.
Welcome back from the holy land to the unholy land at the moment.
Oh my gosh, never a truer word.
I think we might have to stick with that moniker.
Yes, we are back.
We are back in the unholy land of Washington DC.
What topic brings you to our shores today, Don?
Well, Dr. G, when I picked myself up off the floor after I heard of this book and then picked it up myself, I was listening to a religious channel because they have the Seculo show on.
And, you know, Mr. Seculo first defended, you know, Mr. Trump in the impeachment, so he's pretty darn good.
But this gentleman, you probably know this well, the book is called The Return of the Gods, and it's by Jonathan Cahn, C-A-H-N.
Dr. G, this is unbelievable.
You know, when I was thinking of the abortion issue and the children being sacrificed as if to a pagan god, I didn't realize somebody was writing a book about it.
Because he specifically speaks that America now is like Israel when she turned away from the true God and started whoring after pagan gods.
He talks about a dark trinity, Baal, Ishtar, Moloch.
Yes.
These children being sacrificed, I mean, when he talks about this idol Moloch, and I guess it's an idol with hands up raised, and they put the children in the hands of the... and they roll into the fire, you know, it's just appalling.
But this guy, chapter and verse, it's very accessible, and it's just every chapter, every sentence, it's like a sledgehammer.
And I couldn't recommend it highly enough.
I couldn't do it justice in a few moments, but just to say, wow.
I mean, every time I read it, I have to set it down, take a breath and read some more.
Well, your timing is absolutely perfect.
We will be discussing exactly these issues and how the left is no longer a political identity.
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Perfect timing, Don.
Let's go to Detroit.
Mike, line two.
Oh yeah, Dr. Gorka.
I think that, you know, these people have done so much damage to our country, you know, you almost, you know, I, you have to wonder what are the, what's the House Republicans' priorities are going to be?
I mean, it's almost like, where do you start, you know?
And when you were talking about the gain-of-function thing, I read an article years ago that it was used to bypass the treaty in 1974, you know, preventing more, you know, against the Biological Chemical Warfare Treaty is what it was.
And a number of countries started using that to develop biological chemical warfare agents, you know, And this evil kind of Alfred E. Neumann, I mean, they all kind of hide under the umbrella of the Democratic Party, you know.
And it's just like they're so corrupt and politically corrupt, you know, criminally corrupt, personally corrupt, seditious, treasonous, and perverse, you know.
I mean, like, why don't we dig up, you know, Dr. Mengele to do experimental surgery on children?
I mean, it's kind of like, You wonder how they're going to prioritize to correct the damage that's been done to the country.
Well, if you can justify killing the unborn in the womb, a truly Herodian act, then you can justify anything.
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I switched from liquid eggs to biodiesel.
And how long have you been driving today?
How many hours have you been in the saddle?
I started at 6.15 Central Time.
Wow.
Wow.
What brings you to our show today, Franco?
You're telling us about your mother and her discussion of your spending habits.
Champagne taste.
Yeah, champagne taste on a fair budget.
And like firearms, I try to collect antique books.
And one of the oldest, if not the oldest, 50-50, as I mentioned, is a Hungarian Bible.
It's either Hungarian or Czech.
Where did you find that in America?
That one, I believe, I used to have my own moving company when I lived in the cities, and I had a gentleman that was blind, one of my clients, and he, I mentioned the books, and he gave me a bunch of stuff, just gave it to me, and it was, it's at least 1880, If not, possibly 1830-something.
Wow.
What condition is it in?
It's in pretty good condition, but the reason why I said don't hold your breath is because all my good books are way in the nose of storage so that if anybody ever broke in, it'd be the last thing they came across.
Alright, well... If it's worth less than a hundred bucks, it's yours.
Alright, well if you find it, send me a photograph.
Hey, you said you had your own moving company?
You know what I did in college?
You moved?
I was.
I was on one of the teams.
I was the guy schlepping all the furniture.
You know what's good about working on a moving team, Franco?
You know the truth.
You get the biggest forearms in the business.
Yes, you do.
Bye bye forearms.
Because you're walking around carrying stuff with your forearms.
That's about it.
You may have a big belly, but you've got big forearms.
Alright, be safe out there, my friend.
Let's go to Mike in California, line 5.
Welcome, Mike, to America First.
Hello, Dr. Gorka.
Mike Pence is trying to obviously run for president.
He's trying to position himself in a way to differentiate himself from Donald Trump.
So he's taking this really Really disgusting approach of saying we have to ignore all the past and look forward, meaning we have to ignore not only all the election fraud and theft, but we have to ignore all the violations of our Constitution by the FBI, the Department of Justice.
And I mean, this is disgusting.
That to me automatically disqualifies Mike Pence from even being elected dog catcher.
I would not trust him with anything.
And he doesn't even seem to realize that his campaign strategy and approach is totally repulsive to our Constitution, to our founding principles, and should be to every American.
He should never, ever be elected to anything.
But not only that, you know, that would be damning enough to say I don't care about contraventions of the Constitution and the trampling of our rights.
Why is it, do you think, Mike, that Pence hasn't said anything about the January 6th detainees and how they've been treated?
Isn't that weird if he's a real conservative?
It's extremely weird.
Maybe Mike Pence is really part of the deep state or has become part of the deep state.
Now back in the, what was this, I think 1960s or 70s, there was a big problem with the Soviet Union, their treatment of Soviet Jewry, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
Yeah, my mother donated money to an organization dedicated to helping to publicize the plight of Soviet Jews and to help, you know, liberate them.
And my mom got me in return for the donation.
It's a gold-colored, not gold, but gold-colored Jewish star necklace with a name on it.
It was Michael Kornblit, I believe, or something like that, who was one of the Russian Jews who was a Soviet dissident.
What would happen is, when they requested to immigrate, to leave the Soviet Union, they would lose their jobs, because the government was the employer, they'd lose their housing, and they'd lose anything they had.
And then, if relatives or friends would take them in to house them and feed them, then they were at risk of the same treatment.
And all I can say is that to have gulags in our own country run by Democrats, have the news media, the Democrat news media, ignoring all that, and then to have Mike Pence also join in with them, ignoring that we had hundreds, what was it, 600 or more dissidents, basically, in the American version of the Soviet gulag, This is just totally unacceptable.
Completely unacceptable.
I very much appreciate you putting it in that historic context because that kind of focuses our minds that we had refuseniks, we had dissidents, we supported people behind the Iron Curtain in captive states.
Who liberated themselves thanks to the assistance afforded them by President Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and St.
Blessed John Paul II.
But now we have them in America.
And who's talking about them?
I mean, just a handful of people.
You will be very, very happy to hear that tomorrow we will have on for the whole third hour, we'll have one of the brave attorneys who is representing a dozen of the January 6th defendants.
So we'll have Joseph McBride with us.
Probably recognize his face if you've seen him on TV before.
He's a man on a mission.
He has the fortitude, the courage to stand up for the rights of these individuals who in some cases have been in confinement for two years before even seeing a judge.
That's un-American.
You're talking solitary confinement, which is a form of torture.
Absolutely.
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Our ability to control the primary outcome was quite limited in 22 because of the support of the former president proved to be very decisive in these primaries.
So my view was, do the best you can with the cards you're dealt.
Hopefully in the next cycle, we'll have quality candidates everywhere and a better outcome.
Again, JD Vance, Ted Budd, Max Miller, Eli Crane... No?
Nobody?
Unbelievable.
He really did sabotage their chances of winning the Senate just because he didn't want to lose his Majority Leader status.
Of course.
Can you send me the, um... Oh, we'll record the PhD thing at the top of the hour.
I'm just reading comments on a post about Sam Brinton getting fired.
You know, the guy who dresses up as a girl and then steals women's underwear from airports.
How did the Biden administration hire this guy?
Somebody's commenting because Biden is a dangerous moron.
I like that.
Dangerous moron.
Mitch McConnell has a rather contradictory statement about what happened in the midterms.
Our ability to control the primary outcome was quite limited in 22 because of the support of the former president proved to be very decisive in these primaries.
So my view was, do the best you can with the cards you're dealt.
Hopefully in the next cycle, We'll have quality candidates everywhere and a better outcome.
So the best you can is taking ten million dollars away from New Hampshire and Arizona and giving it to your body in Alaska.
Is that the best you can do?
Jeff, your reaction to Mitch explaining how much influence President Trump has?
I think it's more important that he's whining at the fact that he can't control primaries anymore.
And he has been controlling primaries for a long time.
Right.
Hang on.
Isn't Mitch McConnell the minority leader?
Yes, he is.
And he can't control primaries?
How come he can't control primaries?
Because his swamp people are being rejected by the MAGA people.
Oh, you mean because Americans don't like him?
Yes, exactly.
Oh, that's why it's hard to control.
Oh, we get you, Mitch.
We need to get rid of Mitch.
Seriously, come on, guys.
Is there nobody with a spine in the Senate?
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Hey, last week, Hugh Hewitt, your colleague, interviewed Mike Pence.
He's, you know, hawking his book and everything.
He said when Hugh Hewitt asked him about the folks that are still being held in jail, he He sounded even mean when he said it, Dr. Gorka.
He said, those people made me really angry when that happened, and they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Hang on.
Pence said that on the Hughes show?
Yes, sir.
He certainly did.
And I wouldn't steer you wrong.
I was like, man.
And I mean, he sounded vicious and angry and crazy.
That guy, you know who I think of when I think of Mike Pence?
Who?
Brutus.
Wow.
You don't remember what day it was, Randy, do you?
He was hawking his book and it was a week, maybe it's about 10 days ago, something like that.
Yeah.
All right.
We're going to get Jeff on the case.
If that's correct, I need to hear it and we need to play it on the show.
We will find that cut.
We're going to dig it up.
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I think of a lot of things.
The first thing I think is that we actually do have an ideological frame.
Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers.
We are trained Marxists.
We are super versed on sort of ideological theories.
We're not just ideologues, we are super versed on ideological theories, especially Marxism.
That's one of the founders of Black Lives Matter, Patrisse Cullors.
By the way, as I was informed the last time I played that clip on America First, a clip that is now very, very hard to find.
I wonder why we're going to discuss that and so much more with somebody who's probably done... Am I going to piss somebody off if I say this?
I think most of the work, the lion's share of the work, in getting to the bottom of what these people believe and where critical race theory came from, its Marxist roots, really doing the ideological archaeology.
I like that phrase.
I just came up with that.
He's none other than Dr. Professor James Lindsay.
James, welcome back to America First.
Hey, always good to see you.
Hey, do you like that?
I think I've just made you the Indiana Jones of ideology.
What do you think?
Should we get you a bullwhip?
Yeah, we definitely need a bullwhip.
Let's go.
All right, well, surely I doffed my cap, whether it's the Cynical Theories book originally, not that long ago, or what you followed it up with.
I think you literally do not sleep because you've written two books in just the last year.
The one that I didn't even know was available, yet you have Race Marxism.
And then just a few weeks ago, you published The Marxification of Education.
Do you actually, in fact, sleep or not, James?
Once in a while I get a little shut-eye, yeah.
Once in a while.
Okay, so let's, let me, we don't rehearse any of our discussions.
We don't do like other cable stations or what have you, send out the talking points in advance and make sure that the interviewee responds and there's no surprises.
I'm going to do, we don't do any of that.
We want to have an organic discussion, but let me, let me just look at your Twitter feed and at the top of your Twitter feed, please, this man's website, Absolutely invaluable is newdiscourses.com.
So in addition to these amazing works, newdiscourses.com.
Your title now is James Lindsay on Twitter, defeating the groomers, because I think we're allowed to use that word now that Elon Musk
He owns Twitter and let's talk about just the last few days what we found out about the former chief of security and safety at Twitter, Joel Roth, what his PhD dissertation was about and the strange, I just tweeted it out yesterday, there seems to be just this strange Um, obsession with sex and with sex with children on the left.
Is this an accident, James?
You know, the more I look into it, the less I think it's an accident.
It depends on how far you want to go back and how many people you want to make angry.
But if we look back as far as Progressive such as Plato all the way back 2,400 years ago, when we read the Timaeus, and we find that his ideal tyrannical republic is based off of entering into higher consciousness through the love of boys.
It looks like it's been a long running program, to the point where I'm almost willing to just give in, use their language and conclude that the left has been systemically pedophilic.
When we look at Twitter today, we see that this head of trust and safety has put out some, not just a few, extraordinary comments, but many extraordinary comments that are difficult not to classify as degenerate.
And with him in that kind of a position of power, Twitter was able to very selectively protect accounts that were engaging in child pornography and possibly other things like various forms of grooming, if not sex trafficking, protecting those things that it was a perennial ongoing problem.
They said they didn't know how to solve.
And now we start to see maybe why.
All right, so I've just sent a selection of these very perverse tweets to my colleague Eric.
We'll put them up on the screen whenever they're ready because you're absolutely right.
But let's just start at one thing.
So Yol Roth is the head, the quote-unquote Orwellian head of safety at Twitter, which is basically the chief censor who is meant to protect the nation, protect the users from predators, from terrorists, from criminals.
And instead, let's look at one thing, because this isn't just us making spurious comments based upon tweets.
This is an individual who has a PhD from an Ivy League university who strangely have deep-sixed his dissertation.
We found it.
I've printed it off.
You know, it was, before it was, I think University of Pennsylvania put it behind closed doors.
And it's a thesis, and please correct me if I've made any mistakes here, because you are the academic.
A thesis that is about Grindr, which is the homosexual gay men's ...uh, pick-up act, uh, pick-up app, and the dissertation focuses on why children should be allowed to use this homosexual sex app.
Am I missing anything here, James?
I mean, we can give the nuance of his argument to kind of show that we've read it.
He says that there will be no stopping children from using it, and so that they should integrate systems that enable it to be used, I guess, safely, if you will.
But as you just pointed out, the word safety is a very Orwellian term.
So no, I don't think you're missing too much with the description of this man's PhD dissertation.
Right, so let's go back to where the scales fell from my eyes, and that's with your first book on these subjects, which is Cynical Theories.
And please, it is in some parts Not just heavy reading, but disturbing reading, because you have primary sources.
You don't make stuff up about the people who propagate critical theories.
You actually quote them liberally, their own documentation.
And the chapter that I think is the key to unlock it all, all of the critical theories that bring us to BLM and everything else, is the sub-chapter.
paragraph that the subsection on queer theory so let's if we can just drill down that on that a bit because I think that explains people like Yol Roth that in the words and there's a lot of effing and blinding a lot of foul language used by the original founders of this concept but with queer theory and please extrapolate but it seems to me that the goal was to make the abnormal the normal correct?
That's 100% correct.
Queer theory holds up in a very Marxist way, the idea that normalcy is a bourgeois concept.
It's the idea that the people who get to call themselves normal get to define what is normal and thus get to exclude that which is not normal or is abnormal or is queer.
From that and so you have to be able to move that which has been marginalized into the center.
So you center queerness and you de-center normalcy in a typical Marxist inversion of society using the typical Marxist framework.
So it does have the objective of normalizing the abnormal and in fact stigmatizing the normal and that's crucial to its operation.
Let's Broaden it out.
So, this isn't just about sex.
This isn't just, you know, the multiple felonious charges of the Assistant Secretary of State for the Department of Energy for Nuclear Waste, who has a moustache but walks around in a skirt.
It's not just people like that.
It's not just the sexual.
But, for example, it translates into everything.
The idea that a nation shouldn't have borders.
I mean, it informs everything, does it not?
Normalizing the abnormal isn't just about sex, is it, James?
No, that's correct.
So if you hold up white as normal for the US society, and you make black or people of color as abnormal, you get critical race theory can fall almost right out of the same mentality, the same structure.
Exactly what you said with queering, the concept of a border.
Queering is a technique.
There are other deconstructive techniques.
But this is one technique that they use to dissolve the concepts.
But when you since you brought up Sam Brinton, or whatever his name is, it turns out that if we go back, and this will tie in with exactly with with The Twitter trust and safety character.
If we go back to 1984, which was the year in which Thinking Sex was published by Gail Rubin, this is considered to be the first paper in queer theory, officially speaking.
Can you hold it there for a second?
This is an important point.
Just hold that for a second.
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All right, James, you were talking about a seminal paper that helps us understand the querying weapon.
What is that paper?
It's called Thinking Sex by Gail Rubin.
It was published in 1984.
It's considered the first paper in queer theory.
And just to draw up some of the themes that she discusses in this paper, one of the themes that Rubin discusses in this paper is that child pornography being taken on, which it was being taken on in the 80s in a real way, that's a moral panic.
Same language we hear today about anything that gets challenged So child pornography should be something that's allowed within contexts, at least she argues, and cross-generational sexual relationships, she calls them.
Those should be protected.
Wearing fetish wear to work so that you can bring your whole self to work, as we would say today.
So now we find what's going on at Twitter, we find out, we see what's going on with the trust and safety chief, we see what's going on with the Sam Brinton character,
All presaged in this 1984 paper, all coming true, because queer theory has been very successful at latching itself on very much like a parasite onto the side of the LGBT civil rights movement, and has pushed its agenda to the point now where we have this manifesting at the White House, being put out in White House advertisements, heading huge platforms like Twitter and other social media, And who knows what else.
So they've been very successful at pushing their agenda into the culture.
But it was written down decades ago, quite explicitly what their agendas and goals were.
And it was a great deal of things that are perverse and dangerous.
And in the case of the nuclear waste guy, you can tell, I mean, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this guy was going to be trouble.
And now we have him stealing women's clothing from airports.
On multiple occasions, by the way, on camera.
So this is how intelligent this person with acute clearance, the highest clearance in the land is.
He's thieving, he's stealing women's luggage on camera when he never checked any luggage.
That's how bright these people are.
Do you have any theory or do you have any kind of capacity to connect the dots?
Because there's a couple of ways of looking at this.
Is this A philosophical exercise that is based upon destroying anything that is Judeo-Christian and Western, the pillars of our society, or is it just a bunch of perverts who are cladding themselves in the mantle of pseudo-academic verbiage?
Who are these people who are saying, we want to normalize the perverse?
Is it an academic drive, or is it really perverts who have just found a very useful cloak?
Seb, I think that the pictures you offer are the same picture.
I'm not sure how to distinguish between these.
They are using pseudo-academic language, but that has taken over academia.
Right!
I mean, we can draw a straight line backwards to this kind of mentality, this philosophy, for example, to characters like Marx, who I've already mentioned.
But also his predecessor, Georg Hegel, who I have not yet mentioned.
And what we find when we read Hegel is precisely this mentality.
There's a book called Hegel in the Hermetic Tradition, exposing Hegel not as a philosopher, but as a kind of Linguistic sorcerer, quite literally.
The author, Glenn Alexander McGee, means that.
And the first sentence of that book is, Hegel was not a philosopher.
And that's kind of the point.
None of this is philosophy.
It's circular reasoning that's dressed up in long, torturous, complicated arguments with big words, complicated language to look like philosophy when it was never philosophy in the first place.
And I think it's actually ancient esoteric religions.
I mean this quite seriously.
Gnosticism, Hermeticism, the kinds of cults... Let's break this down for those who aren't familiar.
So Gnosticism is the idea of some secret knowledge that only the elites know.
That's right.
That's exactly what it is.
In fact, it's a belief that you've had a glimpse of the mind of God, and therefore know everything better than everybody, and therefore you get to be in control.
And this is what Plato was talking about when he was writing the Timaeus.
And this is what Hegel was talking about when he wrote Phenomenology of Spirit.
And this is what Marx was channeling when he wrote his Economic Philosophic Manuscripts.
This is a continuous line of not philosophy, but rather sophistry or sorcery or whatever word you prefer to use, posing as philosophy to move its agenda.
This is fascinating.
Give me the name again of the book on Hegel.
It is called Hegel in the Hermetic Tradition by Glenn Alexander McGee.
M-A-G-E-E.
This is so important.
For those who live in the real world, and I think that's, you know, where you live, you dissect to the actual fact of the matter behind the charade.
There is an expectation, tell me if I'm being naive, that because this is a cult, this is like, you know, Jim Jones, there's no there, there, it's mystical mumbo-jumbo that's meant to look like science, or you are told it is science.
At a certain point, doesn't it have to collapse?
Doesn't there have to be a moment where the Emperor is seen to be naked?
Is that an unreasonable expectation?
I think we're in that moment now, actually, we're seeing this.
Their symbol, a religious symbol for these kind of occult or these esoteric religions is the so-called Ouroboros, the snake that eats its own tail.
I've got this, you said, sent people to my Twitter at Conceptual James, and it's there all over the top right now.
And I asked the question, just an hour ago, I posed the question, what's left when the snake that eats its own tail finishes his meal?
Nothing.
It's completely eaten and digested itself.
But since you point to cults, that's why it's so important.
People might ask, well, how in the world are they getting so many people to support such a weird and obviously perverse cult?
And the answer turns out to be entertainment and education, overwhelmingly.
Which is why they captured Hollywood, they captured the news media, and they captured the schools over the last 50 years.
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I mentioned it earlier, the head of safety, as was until he was fired recently, is an individual called Yoel Roth, the person who was behind the scenes getting President Trump banned despite being elected by more than 63 million Americans.
Let's put his selection of tweets up on There we go.
Here's a couple of selections from the head of safety at Twitter.
I think I found my calling, and it's writing dialogue for chef-themed porn.
Yeah, okay, thank you.
Can high school students ever meaningfully consent to sex with their teachers?
Why would you be asking that?
Doing research on Craigslist sex discussion boards begs the question, main browser or porn browser?
That sounds to me like the normalization of porn.
Let's connect the dots.
Let's go to Balenciaga.
Here's the image of the toddler, the little child holding a teddy bear in bondage gear.
And then, of course, we have The document in the same photo shoot from the Supreme Court decision on child pornography.
And then last week, we have the dean of that very Tony school in Philadelphia being caught on video by Veritas talking about the children in the school having lessons that involved Sex toys.
Sex toys for minors.
None of this stuff, you know, let's start with Balenciaga.
Balenciaga is part and parcel of this discussion, is it not?
This isn't just some random photographer, is it, James?
No, one of the things that these societies, if we think of them as esoteric religions brought down into the modern and contemporary time, that they have to do is they have to signal where they are with regard to the cult to other people.
They try to do so subtly.
They put out images like this so that you look at them and either you ignore it, or it doesn't register, or you're a little bit shocked, or you make some noise, but somebody who knows what it means knows what it means.
And so they now know that that organization is part of the initiate class.
So it's like this is the 21st century equivalent of the secret handshake, correct?
That's right.
It's secret handshakes all over social media with coded imagery and coded language and coded words.
That's right.
All right, so what happens next?
Let's talk about the news of the day.
Elon Musk.
Is this a breath of fresh air?
Should we be leery of putting too much trust and expectation in one man?
How do you react to the events of the last three weeks?
I am somewhat encouraged.
I'm always distrustful of putting too much trust into one man, especially a man who has indicated his desire is to build out the program to be like WeChat, Twitter, turned into WeChat, which is the tool which captured China, at least with the digital side of things.
So there are reasons to be hesitant to give unfettered support or blind support.
But at the same time, there is a ability to have free speech.
There are documents coming out, whether those are limited or complete hangouts, as you might phrase them, is an open question.
But at least something is happening and something is being seen and things are being discussed in a way that was not possible before, which is fundamentally a game changer for the environment, at least for the present.
Yeah, the so-called Overton window has been shattered.
Explain why, for those who aren't familiar, why WeChat, and Elon has said this in DMs and texts with the former owner of Twitter with Jack Dorsey, that he wants to turn Twitter into WeChat.
Why that is so problematic?
WeChat is like your one-stop shop app in China.
You can do all of your texting on it.
You can have social media on it.
It has all your video kind of stuff embedded in it.
It also has your banking information embedded in it.
It has your digital ID embedded in it.
If you want to buy things in China, in many stores, either the only way or the most convenient way you can pay is by scanning a QR code connected to your bank account in WeChat.
Well, if your WeChat decides that your social credit score isn't high enough because the government is monitoring everything you do there, that QR code doesn't appear or it contains a code that says that, you know, it's going to cost more or that you're not allowed to buy that today.
And so it becomes the kind of place where everybody moves and everything operates that way and it's so convenient and so nice, but it also becomes almost impossible to get out of on the other side.
So this is the Amazon.com for everything, as if there were no other portal or shop that you could use, which is fine if the person running it is a good guy, but if Elon Musk sells it, or if Elon Musk decides to change his policy, you are out of luck.
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So James, I really...
I meant what I said at the beginning of our discussion, that you really have done the lion's share, the heavy lifting, conceptually.
That's, I think, perhaps why you are called Conceptual James.
when it comes to understanding the ideas driving this new pseudo-academic Gnostic cult that the left has become today, can you help those who haven't delved into the sick minds of all these individuals to just highlight the key can you help those who haven't delved into the sick minds of all these individuals to just highlight
if you want to understand why a dean at a school in Philadelphia is promoting sex toys with minors, why Balenciaga, one of the most tony fashion houses in the world, is promoting paedophilia, and why the Biden administration is celebrating transsexual felons at the Department and why the Biden administration is celebrating transsexual felons at the Department So we have, at the beginning of it all, after Marx, of course, we have Gramsci, the Italian communist, who says, hey, you've got to capture the culture.
That's the big shift for Western Communists.
And then we have the Frankfurt School that inveigles itself into American academia after World War II.
Amongst these people, is there somebody that you would highlight?
So, is it Marcuse?
Is it Adorno?
Who is the person who really operationalizes this cult in such a way that it can get into all of the streams of culture?
There are two characters as such.
One is Marcuse.
Marcuse lays out through the 1960s that we have to think completely differently.
We have to have two-dimensional thought instead of one-dimensional consumerist thought.
He lays out that the working class has been captured, has been stabilized, has ...has the ability to work and make a better life and that they'll never become revolutionary.
So we go to the who, to the minorities, we go to the racial minorities... So we ride off that class target of Marx because they're too functionally normal and then we find a new way of dividing society?
That's right, with identity.
And if we go back further, we always talk about Marcuse and his writings in the 1960s.
But in 1955, he published a book called Eros and Civilization.
So you can see where this is about to go.
And in fact, in that book, in my copy on page 211, I happen to remember, He talks about Plato, and he talks about the symposium, and he talks about how higher culture has access to the love of boys.
So we have a direct link even to this explicitly sexual liberation aspect in Marcuse.
So he becomes one of the two significant characters.
Now, the new book is about the other significant character, and fewer people have heard of this guy.
He's a Brazilian.
His name is Paulo Ferreira.
He reorganized education so that education took on the characteristics of Mao's education programs in China.
It took on the characteristics of Mao's brainwashing programs in the prisons.
He says that what you have to do is you have to use educational materials, he says, as mediators to a political literacy, to political conversations.
So you give people Anything.
It could be a simple word problem.
It could be what he calls a generative theme, a generative concept that will generate a political conversation that touches the lives of the students.
We read the papers that they've written about Drag Queen Story Hour, actual academic papers, and they say, the presence and performance of the drag queen is a generative method for inducing into children the idea of living queerly.
And so Paulo Ferrari becomes the gateway to transforming education into a brainwashing program to bring, whether it's race theory, the queer theory, the sex, the gender, the ableism, all of these things we hear constantly about.
He creates a mechanism for replacing real education with a political education, as he calls it, which is all of the brainwashing into these Marcousian concepts that he was steeped in.
Let's put the new book up there right now.
If you need to understand this, you need to read this book.
It's The Marxification of Education.
Paolo Ferreri's Critical Marxism and the Theft of Education by James Lindsay.
It's brand, brand new.
And then, at what point, have you identified the transmission belt or the nexus point where this actually takes over politically?
Because the Democrat Party, for all its racism and segregation and KKK, was a quasi-normal party, if you look at the likes of Clinton and others, who you don't have to admire, but they weren't nuts, they weren't loonies.
At what point does this Gnostic cult really take over politics.
Is it the Saul Alinsky transmission belt?
Well, it's the thing, as you must understand, is what they call the long march through the institutions.
And that long march is fairly slow.
It's a generational approach.
So the strategy was to use Paulo Ferreri to capture the colleges of education, which according to Marxist historians of education, they say was accomplished pretty much in total by 1992.
At that point, you are now educating the next generation, not just of regular people, but professionals into these ideas.
They describe it in some of their papers as a virus model.
You put the ideas in, send them into the world to infect institutions.
So we've had 30 years since 1992 The real year of operationalizing a lot of it was 2015, whether that's from the passage of the Every Student Succeeds Act in education that Obama signed, which made social emotional learning become the vehicle to inject this into society, or whether it's that they were so certain that Hillary Clinton was going to get the presidency and slow walk this stuff.
Like they did in Canada to a total autocracy that they have there now.
2015 was a pivotal year.
This is when the loonies came out.
This is when the first Black Lives Matter explosion was, if you think back and really remember after Michael Brown did the hands up, don't shoot thing.
And so 2015 was really the pivotal year.
So we're seven, almost eight years out from 2015.
Now, and they they're on, that's when they crossed the Rubicon, in some sense, they couldn't go back, they could only go forward.
And so the madness increases until they either grind themselves to a stop, or they are stopped from there.
Yeah, it's fascinating, because there clearly was that that moment where it was in your face, where they came out of the closet.
It wasn't just, you know, discussions behind closed doors at the teacher training colleges.
It's now BLM.
It's in your face.
It's absolutely incontrovertible.
My gosh, I wish you could do this for hours.
All right, you've got to follow this guy.
It is ConceptualJames on Twitter.
It is NewDiscourses.com is the website.
Also, the latest book is The Marxification of Education.
But, I would start with Cynical Theories so you understand the origins of it all.
And then Cultural Marxism is the second book.
Sorry, Race Marxism is the second book.
Right, I'm a little bit trepidatious to ask my final questions of you, because I think the last time we had you on for an extended discussion, the answers weren't all too optimistic.
But given recent changes, especially Elon and others, you might have reassessed your prognostications.
On the one hand, it seems like they've won.
Because all of the areas that matter, except for talk radio, thank the good Lord, are in their hands.
So, Hollywood, social media, mainstream media, education and so forth are in the hands of this cult.
Nevertheless, there seems to be, whether it's the school board meetings in the last year, whether it's Elon, whether it's the pushback on Balenciaga, there seems to be a A chink or a little ray.
How is James Lindsay feeling right now about the task you set yourself a few years ago?
I'm actually quite optimistic at the moment, but not for the short term.
I think the next couple of years we will see increasing madness and our challenge will be, of course, not to lose our cool, not to stay the course or hold the line everybody always says.
The goal is to provoke us to do something stupid they can capitalize upon.
And that will be the challenge.
Drag Queen Story Hour is a provocation.
They want to create a Drag Floyd character, if you will, and cause another summer of chaos or spring of chaos.
They want to be able to push their agenda through provocations.
This is their mechanism.
The next couple of years I think will be crazy.
But I actually, last time we talked in an extended fashion was I think in February before Drag Queen Story Hour took the nation by storm.
And as soon as that broke loose, I called my friends and I talked to my Yes!
coworkers and said immediately, this is it, they've messed up.
They went too far.
They crossed uncrossable line.
It's all downhill for them from here.
So we see people backing off of ESG now.
We see that that's been exposed.
We see the sustainable development goals and the targets.
We have states taking on social emotional learning in addition to ESG.
We have the momentum building on our side right now following the midterms were scattered.
I urge people to remember that after you break the balls and billiards on the pool table, the goal is to drive them into the pockets to take them off the table.
That's what they want to do with you.
So don't fall into stupid traps.
Don't go into the pockets and get taken out of the conversation.
But I'm quite optimistic after a year or two of more or less craziness.
Yeah, well look, what you predicted back in February is so sound because it was because of that, because of the local drag queen story hour at our library that my wife, who detests politics, decided to run for office in the local community center and say, no, no, no, no, no.
You're not using our money to indoctrinate little children.
So if my wife can be mobilized to do that, guess what?
It's not just talk show hosts or professors writing seminal works.
It's everybody who has a role to play.
But nevertheless, I want to salute you.
James, Lindsay, for doing the work that was our homework right now.
The latest book, you've got to get it, is The Marxification of Education.
Educate yourself on the threat and the sources of it.
Paolo Ferreri's Critical Marxism and the Theft of Education.
Follow him at New Discourses.
Conceptual James on Twitter.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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