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What makes human beings human?
What makes you sentient or intelligent?
One of the things that's special about humans, greetings dear friends, you're listening to America First, with me Sebastian Gorka, is not just our capacity to absorb information, It's also our unique capacity to see patterns.
To recognize when seemingly disparate things are actually connected and portray actually a trend.
That they aren't random but they are part of a broader, broader movement.
It was revealed recently That a certain official in the Biden administration, who goes by the name Sam Brinton, was arrested and charged with felony theft.
It's a peculiar story because he stole a piece of women's luggage from a conveyor belt from a carousel at an airport.
He didn't have any luggage.
He went to the carousel, very she-she designer piece of luggage, and on camera proceeded to pick up somebody else's labeled luggage and put it inside his bag and then walk off with it, steal it.
And now he is allegedly on leave.
From where?
Where is this first transgender presidential appointee on leave from?
The Department of Energy.
Sam Brinton holds the title of Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Office of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition.
What kind of fuel?
Nuclear fuel!
He's in charge of waste nuclear fuel for the most powerful nuclear nation in the world, America.
Let's put some photographs up on the screen of this individual.
This is him in a ball gown.
A ball gown.
With a shaved head and a red mohican in the middle of his bald head.
Doesn't look like a man, doesn't look like a woman.
He looks like the definition of abnormality.
Let's go to the next photograph.
This is him whipping another man.
Dressed in a red latex, I don't know, sexual... what would you call it?
I don't even know what the word is.
And then thigh-high black latex female boots.
And then one more photograph of him bare-chested.
These are all out there.
I didn't have to dig for these.
Caressing a man in a BDSM suit with a bare ass on his knees pretending to be a dog on a leash.
That is Sam Brinton demonstrating his sexual perversions to the world.
I have in front of me Sam Brinton's biography, his little bio, from the United States Department of Energy.
By the way, this individual has to have a Q clearance.
He has to have the highest clearance in the US government, beyond top secret, because the Department of Energy handles nuclear secrets.
You need a Q clearance to be a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Nuclear Spent Fuel.
In his bio, I've highlighted it right here, I'll read to you, as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Nuclear Spent Fuel, Sam is a well-known advocate for LGBTQ youth.
Let me read that again.
LGBTQ youth.
And helped to secure protections against the dangerous and discredited practice of conversion therapy in more than half the country.
The next thing is grammatically spurious, because transgenderism is insanity.
They're talking about him, but because he's non-binary, or thinks he is, they, Sam, they, identify as gender-fluid and use the pronouns they, them, and theirs.
This individual is clearly a schizophrenic, if they use the pronoun they, them, and theirs.
Last paragraph from his bio.
After nearly a decade of experience in nuclear policy formation and implementation, Sam is excited to bring their knowledge.
He's got balls.
He's got a penis.
It's not their knowledge.
It's his knowledge.
To bring their knowledge and passion for nuclear waste as a self-proclaimed hashtag nuclear nerd to the Department of Energy.
This isn't just one weird story that will disappear.
I need you to understand the pattern.
This story happens just two days after the eruption of the Balenciaga scandal, in which one of the most exclusive fashion houses in the world released an ad campaign using children, using toddlers, promoting BDSM outfits.
Holding teddy bears in bondage, domination and sadomasochism sexual wear.
With documents in the photo shoot being left lying in plain sight concerning a Supreme Court decision that allowed or was positive with regards to child pornography.
This comes after more than a year of what in the mainstream media?
Sorry, not the mainstream media.
What am I talking about?
The alternative, conservative, fact-based media of drag queen story hours at local libraries of a Republican
Governor for Virginia winning his office after it was found that pedophilic pornographic children's books were being kept in the libraries of schools in Fairfax and Loudoun County in Virginia.
And it comes on the heels of, thanks to Matt Walsh and others, the news that famed hospitals such as Boston's Children's Hospital are undertaking
The mutilation of children, the removal of the breasts, the sexual organs, the chemical castration of young boys and girls on the altar of the ideology that is transgenderism.
Do you see the pattern now?
Sam Brinton isn't a one-off.
He's not the outlier.
He is the exemplar of the normalizing of the abnormal.
Of the main lining of the perverse.
The idea that he's an advocate for LGBT youth.
Fighting conversion therapy.
You mean, recognizing that boys are boys and girls are girls?
Every civilization will be measured in its final analysis by on its treatment of the most vulnerable in its society.
The aged, the venerable, the unborn, and children.
They are targeting our children.
We must stop them and protect innocence and protect the vulnerable.
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Need a transcript for that one.
All right.
And titles for Zegers and for that one.
Balenciaga, Sam Brinton, and...
And the normalizing of pedophilia.
And the normalizing of pedophilia.
Alright.
I can't believe that was on the DOE website.
Crazy.
OK.
If we get a lot of calls, I'll just do Rob for one.
Oh, can you show me the B-21?
Uh, yeah.
Give me just a moment here.
Him in B-roll, please, guy.
Rob Spalding is currently unavailable.
Go ahead.
Is he not Skype?
He is.
That's Skype.
We've got a thing sometimes where Skype will drop that kind of a answering machine message, which I've never heard of before.
Oh, no.
That's the B-2, isn't it?
Oh, yeah.
You said B-2, right?
No, I want the new one.
Oh.
Oh, um... I think he's connected.
Can you... What's the new one called?
Is Skype up?
Yeah.
I think it's a B-21, isn't it?
Shoot, I thought you said B-2.
No, that's the whole point.
Uh, okay.
Let me see what I can find.
If I can find anything.
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We're so glad to have him back, my former NSC colleague from the Trump administration, from the White House, and former B-2 bomber pilot, the author of War Without Rules, Brigadier General Robert Spalding!
Welcome back to America First!
Thank you, it's great to be back.
All right, we have to talk about what's going on in China.
You served with the Defense Attaché in Beijing when you were with the military.
But, but, but, but, we have news, and I need to know if you're jealous, of the B-21 Raider going operational imminently.
This looks a lot like the B-2 to me, but apparently it's a lot sexier.
Are you excited about this announcement that the B-21 Raider is going to be operational imminently?
I'm very excited.
You know, I remember when I came into the Air Force, the B-2 was brand new, and so it was a really excited airplane.
I got the opportunity to fly it, but, you know, I don't think any pilot worth his weight in salt would decline the chance to get their hands on this.
I'm so curious, given that peculiar geometry, that kind of delta wing and the peculiar position of the flaps, was it harder to fly, easier to fly?
How did it compare with other airframes?
Well, you know, I try to tell people that flying the B-52 was like trying to put an ostrich into a station wagon.
It's just a beast to manipulate.
The B-2 was much more civil.
I mean, it's all fly-by-wire.
It's basically a flying computer.
Of course, that became the problem for some that got in.
You put something wrong in the computer and it takes you to the wrong place.
So you got to keep your wits about you.
But it was really a joy to fly.
Fascinating.
All right.
Your latest book is War Without Rules, China's playbook for global domination.
Looks like that playbook may be in a bit of trouble right now, as our former defence attaché in China.
I've got to ask you the same question I asked our good friend David Goldman yesterday.
For me, this is massively significant, that students are protesting on the streets of China, calling out Xi Jinping.
Is this a flash in the pan?
Is this going to be crushed like Tiananmen?
What are the initial indicators for you, General?
Well, you know, I think, you know, contrary to all the pundits on the news media, what I find fascinating, quite frankly, is that protests just like this were happening all over the world in democracies.
Not only were they not shown on media, many times they were violently suppressed.
I mean, you look at some of the images in Australia and Canada.
I mean, these are democracies.
And you're seeing some of the same things happen in China.
So I think More so than it portends a problem for China, because quite frankly, I think they're going to crush these protests.
They have the means to do so, and they're going to do it.
I think the lesson to be learned here is how successful China has been in getting their policies enforced in democracies through their relationships with bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci.
That's the thing to me that's so concerning.
It's I think the Chinese are going to suppress these protests.
I think corporate America and Wall Street are going to continue to pour money into the country, even though the money they're pouring in are from retirees' accounts.
So I think, unfortunately, that's going to end in tears.
But this is not going to end in the Chinese Communist Party's demise, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
All right, I want to play for you in the next segment a cut from Fauci that's very, very revealing, but let's just stay on what we're seeing already in the footage.
It started ostensibly as a anti-secondary lockdown.
So, you know, these new lockdown measures were coming in.
Amazing footage from Wuhan of a restaurant owner coming out of his restaurant that's been boarded up and just knocking down the boarded, you know, the government boarded up perimeter of his restaurant.
But then it kind of metastasized, Rob, and we saw the students not talking about COVID but holding up blank sheets of paper as a symbol of this is what we're allowed to say in this regime.
We're not allowed to say anything.
So how significant is it that it's gone from anti-COVID lockdown to, within a matter of days, a pro-freedom of speech protest?
Well, you know, I think one of the things that you have to recognize is that the Chinese have become experts at controlling the population using very sophisticated tools.
In many cases, those tools are used against, you know, people in democracy.
So things like cameras with artificial intelligence, things like tracking of cellular devices.
So they are using the tools of Silicon Valley to track down who's part of these protests, and they're going to slowly begin to take them out of the equation.
So, you know, this is significant from, you know, the Chinese people saying that they had enough of the COVID lockdowns.
But I'm telling you, When you live in China and you understand the how wired for sound that place is in terms of their ability to know what everybody's doing at every second of the day and then be able to go back, rewind the tapes, go to those people houses, you know, at the end of the day and lock them up.
You're going to see these things, you know, just disappear.
And it's going to be like almost like Nothing ever happened.
It'll go down a memory hole.
They are very, very good at what they do.
And what should be scary is that a lot of the systems that they have employed are deployed in democracies around the world.
And we saw them in many cases start to be employed over the last couple of years.
Yeah, absolutely shocking.
We're talking to Brigadier General Retired Rob Spalding, my former colleague from the NSC in the Trump administration.
He is the author of Stealth War and most recently War Without Rules.
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I can't tell you what's going on in all of China and in other things, but I can tell you for sure that if you look at the viruses that the NIH grant funded to study in a surveillance way, anybody who even has a peripheral understanding of evolutionary virology will tell you these viruses could not possibly turn into SARS-CoV-2.
So when you talk about a leak, Maybe there's a lab leak, but it's not with the viruses that the NIH was funding.
That's almost certain that that's the case.
That's weird.
Didn't Fauci say they didn't fund anything at Wuhan and there's no connection, we never did anything?
And now he's saying, um, um, um, nothing that we funded probably led to COVID.
Huh, that's a big change in the last two years.
As Mr. G said, has he lawyered up?
Is he ready for congressional hearings?
We shall see.
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We are back with Brigadier General Rob Spalding, former B-2 pilot, former Senior director, the NSC author of War Without Rules, China's playbook for global domination.
You flipped my question on me, Rob.
I asked you about what's going on on China and are you surprised and what's going to happen and you said, no, the really surprising thing is how Western nations have copied China and he's not just being facetious.
He's not just being a difficult interview subject.
Here's a little reminder of one of the most shocking clips, probably of the year.
It's from Klaus Schwab, the head of the World Economic Forum.
Play cut.
So we have to define how the world should look like, which we want to come out of this transformation period.
I respect China's achievements, which are tremendous over the last over 40 years.
I think it's a role model for many countries, but I think also we should leave it to each country to make its own decision what system it wants to adapt.
And I think we should be very careful in imposing systems.
But the Chinese model is certainly a very attractive model for quite a number of countries.
The biggest communist dictatorship in the world is an attractive model that should be used by other countries.
What is your reaction, Rob?
Well, you know, we have, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's interesting to know, you know, we have social media influencers, uh, and then we have, you know, people like this that influence the elites.
You know, when we had, uh, you know, back at the end of World War II, where people, um, like Winston Churchill, who came to St.
Louis and said, An iron curtain is falling over Europe.
If we don't stand against this evil, we're going to be consumed by it.
That's the message.
That we need people like Klaus Schwab to be saying, but he's less in the mold of a Winston Churchill and more in the mold of a Chamberlain.
We have to recognize the challenge we face.
It's civilizational.
The Chinese Communist Party has no room for constitutional democracy in its worldview.
It has to stamp that out because it is concerned That protests like that are going on today could somehow lead to their overthrow.
That's what they're concerned about.
And so they want to snuff us out.
And the way that they do that is by getting us to believe that China has a better model.
Why don't we just adopt it?
And unfortunately, that's what we see happening.
And that was the point I was trying to make.
What's even worse, he's not a government official, this is a government official, this is John Kirby speaking on behalf of the White House about what's happening in China right now.
Cut 7.
I'm wondering, what is the President's reaction when he hears protesters in China chant, freedom, or Xi Jinping, step down?
The President's not going to speak for protesters around the world.
They're speaking for themselves.
So there's no reaction?
These protesters are speaking for themselves.
What we are doing is making it clear that we support the right of peaceful protest.
A spineless, gutless wonder.
I wonder if he would have appreciated another nation saying the same kinds of things about the revolutionaries of 1976.
Kirby, you are a disgrace to the uniform you once wore.
Unlike this man, get his book right now, War Without Rules, and follow him at Robert underscore Spalding.
Thank you, my good friend.
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okay That Kirby cut is unreal.
And again, he looks so smug doing it.
Yeah.
Oh, Geoff, can you do 9, 10, and also Kirby?
Can you get Casio to do 7?
- Yeah. - Oh, a minute 40. a minute 40.
Can you block the lines?
Anything you want to use this segment?
Um... Or probably just callers.
Yeah, just callers.
Alrighty.
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I know Alex finished all of his pretty quickly.
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Compensating much, dude?
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Happy Tuesday.
Happy Tuesday to you, sir.
And let me give you the rest of the story with my pillow pet bed.
Oh yes, because you bought a couple of pet beds for your neighbor's kittens because you are such a good neighbor, right Victor?
Right, well she took a picture of one of them sleeping on the bed and then today her boyfriend told me that The other cat was starting to fight over the MyPillow bed, so he picked up that particular cat and said, this is your MyPillow bed, and this is your MyPillow bed.
So the two cats have their own bed now and they're happy.
You know, it's really funny.
Last night, I didn't rehearse this.
We didn't ask Victor to call in.
I don't even have Victor's number.
We have one really big pet bed for our big dog Killian.
And then Leia is the small Belgian Tervoren.
And she has a little bed that fits under my wife's bedside table.
Killian was out of the bedroom for some reason.
So little Leia Walks over to the other side of the room and just plops herself on Killian's giant MyPillow pet bed.
She stole it, Victor!
Yes.
Okay.
What I called in about... I see you're impressed with my story, but carry on, Victor.
Yes, I am impressed with your story.
So dogs can steal each other's beds too.
Yes.
Go ahead.
Okay.
I was talking to a Canadian friend that called me early this morning.
And he was telling me there's some kind of a big trial up in Canada involving Justin Trudeau.
It's not a trial, it's a big commission investigating what he did during the National Emergencies Act when he used wartime powers against the Freedom Convoy.
It's like a big parliamentary commission.
Right, right.
Well anyway, he admitted under oath that Biden called him and said you better do something and stop these truckers in Canada or we're going to have a big problem on our hands.
Yeah, it's an absolute outrage.
Not only that, I was reading an article yesterday, Victor, where I think it was the Interior Minister and maybe the Treasurer, they're getting access to the cabinet meetings of the Trudeau administration during the Freedom Convoy.
They actually talked about using tanks, Canada's Leopard tanks, against the protesters.
I kid you not, Victor, it's absolutely shocking.
Moot camera 4, because I cannot see the phone board.
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So go right or go left.
One way.
All right, let's go down the board.
Thank you, Victor.
Let's go to line two.
David, California.
Welcome, David.
Oh, thank you, Sebastian.
Listen, I watched your program Sunday night.
Now, this isn't disparaging your character.
This is a plus.
I saw you call that guy a punk and I can't tell you how refreshing it was.
I don't care what people say, you delivered it to him, right to his face.
And I learned a long time ago, I was the youngest of four boys, that your mouth is the trip lever for your ass.
So sometimes when that gets broke, you get hurt.
The other thing I wanted to say was, They're concerned about the LGBTQ shooting.
You know what scares me?
It's not a man who will come up and tell me the truth like you told that guy.
What scares me is the maniacs who release a man who mowed down 25 people.
Yeah.
Everybody's talking about the LGB, and I'm not saying that didn't count.
We need some people to start talking louder, to be stronger.
This guy is out of jail.
And you know, it's so hard for me to swallow.
I mean, I don't know what to say.
No, you're absolutely right, my friend.
So you're referring to the incident in the Rose Garden with Brian Karem when I called him out for being a punk.
No, you're right.
So we have the shooting in Colorado Springs.
The person declares themselves binary and the story gets Completely memory hold.
And then we have the person who mows down 25 cadets at the Sheriff's Academy in Los Angeles, and he's released.
He is released the very next day.
Yeah, we need, we need courage.
Everybody out there, you've got to cleave to the truth.
You've got to speak the truth.
If you don't speak the truth, then you do not represent the values you say you represent.
It's really that simple.
God bless you, David.
Let's go to Green Bay.
Let's go to Brian, line three.
Hey Seth, Snowy Green Bay, but anyway, I had a chance to talk with Gordon Chang's wife Lydia yesterday, and I just want your opinion on this, on the China protests.
There's evidence that they're being paid, and I know it's a trillion dollar business over Christmas for China.
Hang on, hang on, who's being paid by who?
Who are you talking about?
I believe that the CCP is paying the protesters.
Why?
For sympathy.
Because they're going to lose a lot of money because there's a lot of blockage and there's a lot of protests against China right now.
And I believe that they are putting those people out there from, you know, maybe a little bit of inside ball.
That they're being paid to be martyrs and then, you know, the world stays... How much money would you accept, Brian, to get smashed over the head and put in prison?
I wouldn't accept any money.
And you really think that a student would accept money to get smashed over the head and maybe killed in prison?
No, I believe that there's a portion of those protesters that are being paid.
Yeah, I don't buy it.
I'll talk to Lydia, but I don't buy it.
There's absolutely zero evidence.
You can hypothesize, but we want evidence.
We want facts.
I think it is absolutely outrageous to even posit that as these young kids are being beaten up by the secret police and the regular militia.
We'll go to more of your calls momentarily.
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The streets of San Francisco, so good.
good.
Thank you.
I bet nobody in this stinking studio has even seen the streets of San Francisco, have you?
We'll ask what year it came out, that'll determine the judge's answer.
You're a bunch of bloody pikers, all of you.
You're all pikers.
You have no idea about culture, American history.
What is it?
What is it?
It's a thing that made Michael Douglas famous with Karl Malden as a cop show.
Karl Marx?
No, Groucho Marx.
Who hired him?
I want to know who hired him.
Who was that person in Trump Hotel who sat down with Mr. G four years ago?
Well, Michael Douglas famous.
That had to be, what, 50 years ago?
If I want a movie about San Francisco, I'll stick to Dirty Harry.
No respect.
Alright, so you got some good diehard cuts for us?
Oh, yeah.
Pretty much all the highlights of the movie, since it is just going to be the one movie.
And a couple clips of old blue eyes.
Nice.
Yeah, he was my grandfather's favorite musician.
Oh, he was amazing.
Complete mobbed up guy, but... I love the story of the moment he switched from Democrat to Republican.
Oh, I don't know that story.
Oh, I'll tell you that in the next break.
We got 40 seconds.
Alright, come in with cut 4.
Come in with cut 4.
No liner, Alex.
No liner.
Coming in with cut 4.
for 30 seconds.
Thank you.
You know, there's a researcher at Stanford who says that this is a critical moment, really, in terms of ensuring that Twitter does not become a vector for misinformation.
I mean, are you concerned about, you know, Elon Musk says there's more and more subscribers coming online.
Are you concerned about that?
And what tools do you have?
Who is it at the White House that is really keeping track of this?
So look, this is something that we're certainly keeping an eye on.
What does that mean?
The White House is keeping an eye?
Were they keeping an eye on Twitter when they censored the biggest story of 2020, the Hunter Biden laptops?
Is that what the Democrats did back then?
Or were they colluding with Twitter and Facebook back then?
That journalist is Andrea Shalhoub.
You know what really gets me?
Is when people wear glasses and it looks like they just pulled them out of a deep fat fryer.
You know when they're covered in grease?
Hey, Andrea, clean your glasses.
You're an embarrassment, not just to journalism, but to humankind.
Let's go to Sally in Cleveland, line four.
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And this is on education.
If there's two bears standing next to each other.
Two what?
Bears.
Bears, okay.
Yeah, and one bear is labeled a mama bear.
One bear is grandma bear.
And they're holding a sign between them.
And the sign says local school board.
And the caption underneath says we are watching you.
But you can adapt this to state education boards and Congress, and Ohio has a very pressing need.
Ohio?
We lost you there.
Ohio is what?
They have a state board of education in Ohio that won't even make a policy to ban CRT, like DeSantis, or to restrict the sexualization of children.
Well, I think you have a new senator-elect from Ohio who may have something to say about that.
We're trying to get him on my Newsmax show this Sunday.
I think JD Vance will be on the warpath.
But thank you, Sally.
I think the celebration of Mama Bears is a good idea.
So let me ruminate on that one.
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I guess the meditation didn't work out.
Sam did it.
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We'll explain that and so much more behind the notorious dinner at Mar-a-Lago and the Tim Pool interview that was a catastrophe with Kanye West.
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Conrad.
Yes, sir?
I don't think you've ever depressed me more since I've known you.
That piece in the Epoch Times is not what I want to read if I'm feeling down.
I know, it depresses me, but am I wrong?
I just find it all so appalling what's happening.
Well, I agree with that, but I'm going to push back and we're going to have a hearty conversation, if you don't mind.
Yeah, look, I'm somewhat depressed, but I'm not a defeatist.
I think we're going to win eventually.
Okay, good.
I should hope so.
I should hope so.
Good.
All right.
Well, I'm just going to walk through it.
And then in the second segment, I'd love to tease you out on the events in China and what you think of their significance.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, super.
90 seconds and then we're live.
Okay.
What are your plans for Christmas?
They're pretty quiet.
I'm working on some deals.
We're looking forward to a nice holiday towards the end of February.
I'm kind of stuck dealing with a lot of mundane but necessary things.
How about you?
Are you getting away?
I'm taking the listeners to Israel this week and then my family just wanted to do something completely different so Christmas Day for my sins I'm flying with them to Aruba.
I don't do beaches.
I'm not a beach person.
I'm a kind of forest and mountains but the kids want beaches they'll get beaches.
It's a mentality I've never understood.
You just sit out there and fry.
And fry!
Oh my gosh, thank you!
I don't get it.
Sand, sweat, and turning into a lobster.
I just don't get it.
Yeah, I agree with you.
And you know, I used to like swimming in the ocean, but I don't.
The salt is sticky.
Yes!
You know, I had a house in Palm Beach and the goddamn sharks came right up to the shore, you know?
Sorry, I just stayed in my swimming pool.
All right, stand by 20 seconds.
Yeah.
The first
let me say that calling Alvin Brag a DA is like calling Jeffrey Dahmer a vegan, okay?
This guy doesn't prosecute crime, he forgives crime.
Calling the New York prosecutor a DA is like calling Jeffrey Dumb a vegan.
You gotta love Judge Janine.
There's some good people left at Fox and she is definitely one of them.
Welcome back.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is the... Where did the first hour go?
That sheer insanity just...
Disappeared like a will-o'-the-wisp.
We will be discussing so many things in this hour.
What happened to Sam Harris?
Why did he delete himself?
And then the disastrous interview with Kanye West on Tim Pool's show last night.
But first...
I knew I liked him for a reason.
He has depressed me immensely with his latest article, but I have since I read it found out that he is a very sagacious individual because he too does not understand why people go to the beach.
What is the point of frying yourself, turning yourself into a lobster, getting all salty and frying yourself?
It makes no sense and he shares my conviction on that issue.
Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
Thank you.
Glad to be with you, Sebastian.
So, I don't think... I haven't heard many other people share that conviction, but I really don't understand the whole beach thing.
Give me a forest, give me a mountain any day of the week.
Yeah, forests are fine as long as you don't get too many mosquitoes.
Oh, this is true, this is true.
You're that central European tradition of the forest murmurs.
I think there's a bit of a Wagner in you.
Oh, I'll take that, I'll take that.
All right, so the latest piece, which...
Oh my gosh, it was a tough read.
It's from the Epoch Times.
It's called, Is America in Decline?
The answer is quite a solid yes to that.
However, he has revealed to me that he is an optimist.
Let me just read one segment from your article, which is a pretty factual recitation of what happened in the four years of the Trump administration.
Whatever else must be said of Donald Trump, he represented a shaped-up Western alliance, fully armed and determined to prevent continued Chinese advance at the expense of the West, effective opposition to North Korea and Iran as nuclear powers, and a determination effective opposition to North Korea and Iran as nuclear powers, and a determination to reverse the erosion of America by the admission of countless millions of migrants, partly masking the smuggling in with them of unfeasible quantities
Trump also represented the celebration of the unifying American nationality over atomizing inflamed groups, protesting multifarious forms of victimhood, self-serving nihilists gnawing at the bowels of America and denigrating virtually all of its characteristics and traditions.
I could go on, and please, I want everybody to read the article.
It is a superb summation of those four years.
But I feel that your contention is because you call the midterms, quote, the disaster of the midterms.
Are you saying that the American people consciously, willingly rejected that recitation of successes?
No, I'm not.
What I'm saying is, and this is what I must confess, it shocked me, and it does to some degree depress me, but does not make me a defeatist.
I believe the political options that you and I, and no doubt most of your listeners broadly share, will succeed.
But there is a setback here, and I put it in these terms.
The fact is that on two consecutive occasions, two years apart, The American public effectively preferred Biden to Trump.
Now, I want to qualify that.
I think the 2020 election was a very compromised election.
I think the handling of huge quantities of harvested ballots that could not be verified.
Uh, leaves great doubt about whether the result that emerged was an authentic or an honest one.
But that's not the point.
The system works as it works.
And Biden emerged as the president, and two years later, despite the fact that three quarters of the people thought the country was heading in the wrong direction, the polls were quite accurate.
So if they were accurate in predicting a close race in Pennsylvania, for example, they were also accurate, I think, in showing that three-quarters of the people disagreed with the way the country was going, and about 60 percent of them had a negative view of the Biden presidency.
But that was effectively offset to make the midterms more or less of a draw.
It was effectively offset by the ability of the Democrats to sell this monstrous fraud that a vote for a Republican was a vote for Trump-related violence and chaos, bad character and bigotry towards certain bad character and bigotry towards certain groups, all of which is false, for which there is no excuse and no possible serious argument.
And the fact that the country bought enough of that to make it basically a break-even midterm election, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE That, I have to say, shocked me and worried me about the judgment of the American electorate, which all my conscient life I've thought to be probably the most astute of any advanced country in the world.
All right, now I don't want to risk our radio friendship, but here's my counter to that.
Because what you have portrayed is a conscious decision at the polling stations based upon an image of Trump that is false.
But you said something very interesting right now with regards to the 2020 election and the last election.
You said, the system works as it works.
And I think that's where the explanation lies.
Not in some self-defeating choice.
Of 70% of the country who think Biden is bad but then decided to vote for Biden's candidates.
I think the answer lies in the nature of the system.
If we look at the fact that by election evening there were 20 million more votes for Republicans than for Democrats.
That has been whittled down to about a 3 million vote lead for the GOP.
I think it's the mechanisms of not voting, not counting votes, but counting ballots that provides us the answer.
It wasn't in most states, in Pennsylvania, for example, even in Virginia, which had 45 days of voting, which is sheer insanity under a Republican governor.
People didn't do what you or I do, Conrad, which is on the day of the election go into the polling station and make a decision based upon preferences we've been mulling over for the last two or three months.
What we saw in places like Pennsylvania was a mechanism exploited by the Democrats with 50 days of voting with half of that state, for example, Voting before Fetterman even debated Dr. Oz, there's no question of the election being decided for those voters on the merits on Trump v. Biden or anybody else.
It was the mechanics of a Democrat party that simply ballot harvested I think you make an awfully good point, and I should have stressed that more.
Can we not see the mechanisms, the exploitation of post-COVID harvesting as perhaps more an explanation of this shocking result than people saying, I'm going to choose the administration that's actually bad for me?
I think you make an awfully good point.
And I should have stressed that more.
As you know, I only had a little over a thousand words to write.
And these are very complicated things.
And I probably should have stressed that more.
I think you made the point, a very important point, you made it very well, and I should have somehow made room.
The challenge is for us as conservatives, because you or I, I mean, we want a chain of custody.
We want to go to the polling station, show our ID, get the ballot, fill it in ourselves.
We don't want to give it to a harvester.
We don't want to have somebody else put it in a collection box.
The challenge is for conservatives, I think, Lord Black, in the next two years, to play the Democrats at their game.
I mean, legally, but to play their game.
Either alter the system so we get back to election day, or adapt so that the Republicans can fight this kind of an election just as well as the Democrats.
That I agree, but in fairness, in fairness, Sebastian, I didn't say that the, or I didn't mean, and I don't think I wrote, that the public Yes.
has consciously rejected what you and I agree with.
What I did say was that the system operated in a way that enabled the Democrats to counter the widespread, clear majority view that this administration is doing a poor job and the country is going in the wrong direction, to counter that effectively clear majority view that this administration is doing a poor job and the country is going in the wrong direction, to counter that effectively by exploiting this nonsense about the challenge to democracy and the threat to
And to negate that widespread public feeling that the administration is incompetent and something should be done of it.
I wasn't altogether complaining about the mentality of the people and being depressed about that.
I was somewhat downhearted by the combination of the people not rejecting this nonsense.
Yes, the absurdity, the calumny that democracy is in danger.
Okay.
Wow.
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I think that's our challenge.
We have to, you know, we have to surrender to this broken system if we can't change it.
Yeah, and look, I thought we'd made more progress than we had.
Now, in fairness, I think the charges of irregularities and, you know, preventing scrutineers from seeing the ballots counted, the absolute skullduggery the Democrats are clearly guilty of two years ago.
I think a lot of that I think it was much, much harder for them to do this time what they did in 20.
I think we'll still see some stuff around the edges, especially in Arizona or elsewhere.
But I think the big wins, I mean, are just out-harvesting us.
I think, you know, the GOP doesn't spend 30 days out of 50 in Pennsylvania going to old people's homes and collecting ballots.
And sadly... And not only that, McConnell, you know, didn't release any money so he lost Or he moved it, or he moved it to safe bets in Alaska because they vote with him.
Yeah, which was an outrage.
I mean, Murkowski is a disgrace, I think.
I found her win and Lake's defeat in Arizona Coming in late as they both did, just very depressing, I have to admit that.
And here's something else that's depressing, a very good friend of mine, a conservative, we were texting back and forth and it's like a conversation we've had so many times before and he said, Trump has qualities that may well have saved this country in his moment, but he lacks one thing.
And this is a very intelligent guy, he says he lacks class.
Conrad.
It's like, really that's what matters to your 401k class?
Well, I mean, he does and he doesn't.
He actually has class sometimes and not at others.
You know, it's unusual that way, but I mean, he is a trifle undignified sometimes, but as I keep saying, you know, you can't, the typecasting studios, you know, these casting studios in Hollywood don't send over the president.
You've got to deal with who you've got.
Right.
Look, let me ask you this, if we've got a moment.
Yeah, we've got a minute and a half.
Go ahead.
Well, do you think... I mean, it's a real question.
Like yourself, I'm a...
I'm an unambiguously pro-Trump person, but do you think that he is suffering a fair degree of slippage to dissent us right now or not?
No, I think it's a false, you know, like in that piece I sent you, this is just being engendered by those who hate him in the Rhino establishment and the billionaires who, like my friend, have issues with him on, you know, questions of class, but no, you know, this is, you know, There is a danger of Ron being used as a weapon by the GOP establishment, and that's why certain funders are already lining up behind him.
But you know better than anyone, two years is a lifetime in politics.
And I always feel that Donald is still first in the hearts of the Republicans.
I thought we saw it in Colorado, where that guy O'Day, who ran as an anti-Trump Republican, got absolutely bombed out by Bennett.
Yes.
No, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I really don't see it as a rejection of Trumpism in the last election.
I just see it as us, or the right, being out-organized by those who have a collective mindset.
Yeah, does McDaniel carry the can for this?
I mean, I've always thought... Mitch McConnell and Ronan.
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We have events, stunning events happening in China right now.
And we have this statement from the president's spokesman.
This is Admiral Kirby being asked about this administration's response to these historic, historic events on the streets of Beijing and elsewhere.
I have to get your response.
Cut seven, John Kirby.
I'm wondering what is the president's reaction when he hears protesters in China chant freedom or Xi Jinping step down?
The president's not going to speak for protesters around the world.
They're speaking for themselves.
So there's no reaction?
These protesters are speaking for themselves.
What we are doing is making it clear that we support the right of peaceful protest.
Just to compare that to the Reagan years or the Thatcher years, I'm sorry, I may be a child of the Cold War, but I'm boggled to hear a presidential representative saying, oh, the protesters speak for themselves, we're not going to comment.
Yeah, well, look, I don't want to pick on Admiral Kirby, but I have always found that In his former role, and where he is now, as an absolute stumble-bum.
I mean, he looks like he's a pleasant man, but he's tongue-tied, and he can never get it out right.
I mean, when he said that he directly contradicted the Secretary of State, Blinken, when he had said in Poland that he was greenlighting the transfer of Polish warplanes to Ukraine, and two days later Kirby came on and said, no, that's escalatory, we won't do it.
I just thought of, you know, what would have happened if the Pentagon spokesman had contradicted Henry Kissinger or James Baker or George Shultz.
Remember, their next job would be explaining post office regulations in Alaska or something.
I mean, I find the men, like almost everybody in that administration, are the wrong people in the wrong positions.
But, of course, it's an outrage.
I mean, the position of the United States should be that it respects the sovereignty of all other countries, but it certainly has nothing but good wishes for those who seek to enhance their own liberty and to transform their countries into responsible citizenship countries where governments are based on popular consultation.
How significant is it that what seems ostensibly, actually to have started in one of the most elite colleges in China, as a rejection of renewed lockdown measures by Beijing, in the last three or four days, has transmogrified into these young students.
I mean, it's something chilling.
I mean, it sends, you know, positive shivers down the spine of, they're holding up blank sheets of paper, saying this is what we're allowed to say in Xi's China.
That's historic, is it not, Conrad?
It is.
But the litmus test in these things always is when the authorities feel so threatened, they tell the constabulary to fire live ammunition at the protesters.
And Ceausescu did that.
Instead, they killed Ceausescu.
But the regime in Iran can still do that.
They've had rioting there for months, all around the country.
And they've killed a lot of people, and they have forces that are still prepared to kill their own people.
The Shah couldn't do that, and he never gave such orders anyway.
But I suspect that the Xi regime still has cadres so highly trained that they will fire, if necessary, live ammunition at demonstrating citizens who have a good cause to complain.
So I think it's clearly shaking the country.
And it will be particularly offensive to the Chinese because they have this terribly exaggerated notion of always saving face and never suffering indignity.
And few things can be more undignified than this sort of thing, where the whole country's in protest.
And despite their extravagant claims for the last two years that only they know how to deal with COVID, having inflicted it on the world, that obviously they don't know how to deal with it and they're losing control of it.
It's sort of very embarrassing for them.
But I doubt I'm sorry to sound like, you know, you're in-house pessimist this week because I'm not I'm not a pessimist.
I'm an optimist.
But but I doubt that they will really profoundly shake Xi's regime right now.
But it's upsetting for them.
And obviously our thoughts and hopes are with them.
Yeah, and you and we are.
We are three for three right now in the last 24 hours.
David P. Goldman, one of the best sinologists out there yesterday, said the worst comes to the worst and local Politburo members will be scapegoated and violence will be used to suppress it.
Just an hour ago, my former White House colleague, former U.S.
defense attaché in Beijing, General Spalding, said the regime will crush this mercilessly, and now we have a Conrad Black.
Very sobering, but as you say, the beacon of liberty, the shining city on the hill should at least, at least, Say that we stand shoulder-to-shoulder with anyone who wishes to have a representative government and have freedoms in their own nation.
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As you said, China will easily weather this. China will easily weather this. .
Well, I don't know about easily, but you remember when it all started to come down in Eastern Europe, and it was obvious Gorbachev was not going to tell anybody to open fire on demonstrators.
He was a civilized, decent man, and he wasn't going to do it.
Stalin wouldn't have hesitated for one second, as you know.
But the Chinese haven't got to that stage.
I think if they need to kill a lot of people, they'll do it no matter how hard.
They did it in Tiananmen, and I don't think Xi Jinping is any softer than anybody before him.
No, he'd be about the same as Deng, I think.
I've got it culled as I see it, but obviously, on the other hand, It's a delightful thing to see the Chinese embarrassed in this way because their swaggering arrogance is just terribly annoying.
Yeah, yeah.
And his as well.
There's an extra dollop of attitude from Xi.
You just see it.
In a way, you're right.
I mean, I always had the impression that Zhou Enlai was a kind of charming cynic and he was kind of philosophical and he had a sense of humor.
And the Deng Xiaoping was, you know, he'd been through a lot, he'd been thrown out of a window and everything, and he, you know, he understood that there were a lot of frailties and fallibilities about, and he, you know, but Xi is, he's got this sort of personality cult as if he is the highest form of Chinese leader.
I think he just sees himself as emperor.
Yeah, yeah, and a greater figure than Mao or Zhou Enlai or Deng Xiaoping.
And, you know, I'm not a sinologist, but it strikes me as a fraud.
I mean, I don't think he is a man of the attainments of those others.
No, which means he's compensating, which often can lead to overreach.
So it appears.
Yeah, yeah.
Superb!
I'm glad we managed to come to some middle ground there.
Yeah.
Look, I'm never a defeatist, but I'll tell you what bothers me a little bit are my friends like Laura Ingram and so on.
I mean, she's a dear friend of mine, but she's just so chirpy.
Everything is wonderful.
Don't worry that a lot of good candidates lost and we're going down in the Senate again and so on.
Never mind all that.
It's all going to be wonderful.
It sort of bugs me.
I think probably it will be wonderful.
But it's a recipe for inaction.
That's not what we need to hear right now.
That's it.
Look, the Democrats in a way outsmarted us.
No, that's the article.
Conrad, that's the article.
They outsmarted the good guys.
That's what they did in the last election.
It wasn't the merits of whatever.
They outsmarted us and we just sat there.
All right.
That was superb.
Nicely done.
Thank you, Conrad.
God bless.
Have a good trip to the Middle East.
Thank you much.
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I was worried there for a second.
I was a little bit.
Eric, were you worried?
Because I had to just disagree there a little bit with one of our favorite guests.
I mean, we always know that we're going to have a great discussion when Lord Black is on the show, so I knew that by the end it would ultimately come to at the least an amicable disagreement.
Yes, yes.
But I think I convinced him.
I think I convinced him that there is a technical problem, not a substantive, but a technical problem.
What did he say in the break right now?
They outsmarted us.
That's what the Democrats did with their ballot harvesting.
They outsmarted us.
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Sam Harris is no more.
Like a certain parrot in a certain Monty Python sketch, he has ceased to be.
Yes.
What happened to Sam Harris?
The darling of the left.
The man who said on Our Friends, the trigonometry podcast, a couple of months ago, I don't care if Hunter Biden had dead children in his basement.
It was good.
It was good to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
He said it was a justified, a righteous conspiracy.
Well, what happened at the weekend?
He had 1.5 million followers on Twitter.
Look up Sam Harris now on Twitter.
You can't find it.
Because he deleted his account.
This is the godless atheist.
The champion of left-wing secularity.
Who has become famous the world over for his meditation app.
Where he tells us you can overcome everything if you just meditate.
Just meditate.
You don't need God.
Just go ummm.
Just meditate.
How's that meditation working right now?
I guess it didn't work when Elon Musk bought Twitter.
You deleted yourself!
You cancelled culture!
It came for you at your own hand!
Now my buddies Francis Foster and Konstantin Kirsin of Trigonometry who were responsible for that incredible interview where they just let Sam talk to dig his own political grave They kind of did a mea culpa on Twitter afterwards saying we're so sorry that Sam deleted his account and we feel a little bit responsible because of their interview and that he did on our show and then the pylon afterwards.
Guys, what are you talking about?
You're not responsible for him revealing himself to the world.
For what he said about 74 million voters?
Insulting them?
And then saying the suppression of the truth, the suppression of information is justified?
For comparing Donald Trump to a world-destroying asteroid on its way to Earth?
Why is that your fault?
And the pylon?
Oh, you mean the pylon with regards to people like you and me?
Who've been called fascists, white supremacists and Nazis for six years?
Was Sam Harris ever, ever apologetic for his fellow leftists piling on against us?
He deserves everything he got.
And he is the apotheosis.
He's actually the nadir.
He's the exemplar.
of the radical left who thinks they get to decide the truth.
They get to censor in front of the whole world what you should be allowed to know.
So, ta-ta Sam Harris!
You will not be missed!
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Title for black, if you thought of one.
They outsmarted us in the midterms.
Yes, that's the title.
True.
True dat.
Oh, yeah.
We haven't mentioned it yet, but Mike Lindell running for RNC chair.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, that's... Jeff, is there any issue with that email from Frank for the makeups?
We can do that, right?
Yeah, it seems easy, yeah.
Okay, Alex isn't copied on that, is he?
Yeah, he was.
Okay, good.
Okay, thanks for the transcripts, Eric.
You're welcome.
90 seconds.
America first and true.
I wouldn't say.
Oh, and those five I sent you, that's in addition to the DeSantis article.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's half a dozen in the can.
Half a dozen, so five transcripts and DeSantis?
And the DeSantis article, yeah.
Okay, great.
The great thing about something like that, the original stuff, too, is the more evergreen it is, the better.
Like, the DeSantis thing is not going to go away any time soon, at least not in the immediate future.
So your old TV's up.
I shall.
Yeah.
He's running.
Did you see him today?
Who?
I think he's President DeSantis.
Oh, is he?
Making statements about China with his podium.
Did he have a podium that looked like the presidential seal?
No, but he was just sitting there trying to talk about China and stuff like that.
Because he's got a big role to play in that.
Did you know that?
The Governor of Florida.
Well, you didn't see the 2020 State of State, Florida, where he's going to take on China.
That's when the show started, and that's what I really...
Wow!
This is so...
This is so...
Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
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Okay, so the saga continues.
I really don't want to give much more oxygen to People like Milo Yiannopoulos and oxygen thief scumbag Holocaust deniers like Nick Fuentes, but Tim Poole had to do that.
He had to go there.
He had to invite Kanye onto his show yesterday.
And what was it, Jeff?
Kanye, usually these are like two, three hour long kind of attempts to be a kind of Joe Rogan-ish.
Yes.
And Kanye walked off after what, like 18 minutes or something?
Yeah, it's about 15-20 minutes.
Alright, he stormed off because Tim Pool refused to buy into the Jews are out to get us garbage that Kanye is now spouting.
First things first, Kanye's got issues, alright?
He, what, 40 times said they're out to get me.
They're out to get me.
They want to put me in prison.
Clearly he's got some kind of psychic break.
He's got a psychotic issue.
He's got some kind of paranoia.
I don't know if he does a lot of weed, but the guy's got issues.
Get some mental help.
The antisemitism is bad enough, but you need to get some mental help.
But also, Nick Fuentes.
Tim, what the hell are you doing?
I mean really.
I know you want the clicks.
I know you want the views.
But Nick Fuentes is a scumbag.
So let's start with Nick.
Let's start with this is what Nick Fuentes thinks is funny.
Denying the Holocaust by saying he calls them cookies.
Not Jews.
He calls them cookies.
You can't kill six million people in six years.
That's impossible.
You couldn't even bake six million cookies.
Play the whole cut.
This is the real Nick Fuentes and he's filth.
Cut ten.
takes one hour to cook a batch of cookies and you have 15 ovens probably in four different kitchens right doing 24 hours a day every day for five years how long would it take you to make six million hmm I don't know it certainly wouldn't be five years right the math doesn't seem to add up there The math doesn't quite seem to add up there.
I don't think you'd result in six million, maybe 200 to 300,000 cookies.
And I think the Red Cookie Association said something like that, probably 200 to 300,000 cookies baked, probably.
And in addition, you know, in this hypothetical, I imagine that if you took aerial photographs over the kitchens, you would need to see certain smokestacks to release The smoke from baking the cookies and the smokestacks would project certain shadows, but I guess they're not visible in the aerial photographs taken over the kitchens.
Moreover, if you look at the soil texture, it's really not deep enough for mass cookie storage underground.
And so there's a lot of things you know in the cookie kitchen.
They say that the ovens are Wooden and they have windows on them, and they're not totally secure and the ovens that they use They they actually did sort of an ad-hoc use of that particular kind of oven even though they made a perfectly Good design for ovens for a different purpose for delousing.
I mean you know for something else So none of it really adds up.
I don't know it.
it just kind of doesn't really make sense.
That's inhuman. - Okay.
That's who Nick... I think he's probably got some psychological issues.
Anyway, that's who Tim Pool invited on his show yesterday with Kanye.
And it didn't go well.
This is cut eight.
This is just a few minutes into the interview.
Play cut.
It's been extremely unfair to you.
Who is they, though?
We can't tell you who they is.
Corporate press?
I'm not using the... I don't use the word as the way I guess you guys use... I'm talking about... It is them, though, isn't it?
I mean, because... No!
Because when you think about it, consider it.
In 2018... What do you mean it's not?
What do I mean, like... Okay, so how about... Are you leaving?
Are you afraid of the press?
He's on.
Walked straight out.
Walked straight out because Tim Pool didn't say what he wanted him to say.
And one last thing for those who are trying to use the dinner at Mar-a-Lago, the globbing on of Nick Fuentes to Kanye West walking up to President Trump.
Listen to what West said yesterday before he left the studio and stormed out about President Trump's knowledge of the Holocaust denier who is Nick Fuentes.
Cut nine.
A big thing is like Trump had no idea who Nick Fuentes was.
Play it again.
A big thing is like Trump had no idea who Nick Fuentes was.
Oh, that's interesting.
Isn't it?
What's the mainstream media telling you?
Let's go to your calls, Joe, Illinois.
Welcome to America First.
Dr. G, yeah, I believe it was Trump that brought 10 million members of Labor into his party.
And all these people lining up to run against Trump, Christie, Nikki Haley.
Don't forget Asa Hutchinson.
He's a real champion.
He's a real Republican.
Oh, how about Jeb Bush?
Yeah, let's try that again.
He tried to put China in check.
And tried to bring jobs back to this country, Dr. G, and I just got my natural gas bill.
It wasn't pretty.
How much has it gone up?
Like by 50%?
100%?
How much, Joe?
It's gone up probably about 35%.
Wow.
You know, I mean, come on now.
You know, if the people of China want leadership change, they have 1.5 billion people that they could not stop.
I know, I know, but somebody's got to be in the front line.
Somebody's got to be the bullet catcher for the people who are 10 deep, 20 deep behind you.
So yeah, Joe, I appreciate it.
Yes, it is never, never mentioned.
All the working class Americans whose jobs were brought back to America, who voted for President Trump, and the GOP establishment is going to keep them in the party?
Never happening.
God bless you, Joe.
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Did he just sit there by himself and his co-hosts?
Yeah, again, you know, people that weren't even co-hosts he brought in.
A couple of girls came in and, like, sat in the chairs where they had been sitting.
That's so weird.
Yeah, it was bizarre.
Like, one of the girls said she ran into them as they were leaving and was like, oh yeah, he thought you were being unfair to him and you should have just let him keep talking.
Like, basically said, oh, he thinks he should have just been allowed to talk the whole show.
And Poole was like, no, I'm gonna ask questions.
I'm not just gonna let you sit here and talk.
I'm surprised Fuentes didn't want to stay there to glum with Poole.
It's probably because of his You think that he was gonna wait around for him?
I'm sure he flew there with him.
Oh, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, right, right, right.
He needed a ride.
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Dave, welcome to America First.
Good afternoon, Dr. Gorka.
You know, a while back we talked some time ago, it was during the Obama administration, and I had made a statement that I had feared no government on the face of this planet other than I did my own at that moment.
I have since revised that, of course.
Hang on, I'm a bit confused.
I didn't have a radio show during the Obama administration.
Well, we had talked some time back then.
Not on this radio show, because I didn't have a radio show until I left the Trump administration.
But carry on, Dave.
It matters not.
Well, OK.
I'm sorry.
My confusion.
But now I fear my own government once again more than any other on this planet.
You're a wise man.
We have ceded our sovereignty To Xi Jinping.
We have ceded our sovereignty to the Mexican drug cartels.
We have people in jail for trespassing.
How many years now?
Yeah.
The January 6th insurgents, quote unquote insurgents.
But that's all, you know, we all know that.
What I'm most concerned about is I believe that the Biden crime family and the entire administration is, at this point, should be classified as enemies against the state, enemies of the state.
They have proven through their actions, their false narratives, the fact that they hate America so much.
That they, as the one wise person said, are overseeing the decline of America by design, the decline by design.
When we are going to communist Venezuela for our oil, our sworn enemies, the Ayatollah in Iran for oil, the Arabians laughed in our faces.
Okay, you've made your case, I agree with you.
So what's the so what at the end of it?
At the end of it, if we do not, with this new majority in the House, start taking action against these criminals, Then we deserve what we get.
It's not going to happen.
With an eight-seat majority, they're not going to play hardball.
We have to get President Trump back in the White House because he will play hardball.
Thank you, Dave.
Thank you.
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The opposite end.
And then... Man, that's slow.
And let's see how that picture looks.
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Can you show it to me?
I can't see it.
I can't see the image.
Can you pan it up?
Can you make the light less hot above me John?
Pan out, not in.
Yellow leaf is about to fall off again.
How does that look, guys? guys?
Oh.
Oh, John, can you give me a little less brightness on this light above me?
Hello?
I'm not plugged in, so I can't hear you guys.
I'll just talk to him through the door.
Just like talk through the door.
No, I got it plugged in.
I just need this light to be less hot.
John needs to come in here.
Right above me.
Which light is that?
Can we make that a little less hot?
Yeah.
Alex, you can record the audio.
Actually, you don't have to record the audio.
This is video.
How much time do you have left until the hour starts, Alex?
We just need to get this light less strong.
Can I do it manually, John, on the back of it?
Oh, oh, oh, there we go, there we go.
Up a bit.
Good, yeah, that should be good.
Alright, thanks.
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Welcome, dear friends.
This is America First, one-on-one with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, and a good friend from the Heritage Foundation, the Conservative Mothership, who Well, he's got a hard act to follow.
You saw her last week, the First Lady of America First.
They both had the podium at an amazing event, which some guy in a funny accent compared.
It is, let's put it out there, just fresh, hot off the presses from the Heritage Foundation.
This is the cultural Marxism event, the threat to America and how Americans can fight it.
The co-author of that paper, That was written with my wife Katie Gawke, a senior fellow of the Heritage Foundation, none other than Mike Gonzalez.
Michael, welcome back in studio.
Thank you Seb, and I must say the First Lady of America First was delightful to work with.
Yes, it was.
I won't go into the details of getting that paper across the line every night coming home saying, what has Mike sent you again?
Oh my gosh, do you need me to look at it?
Can we get this thing finished and sent to Heritage?
But it's done.
Big paper, big paper.
17,000 words.
Right, which now might become a book in the not too distant future.
We want to turn it into a book.
So we ended up with 42,000 words because there's so much to tell.
And obviously you cannot have a paper that long, so we had to pare it down to 17,000.
But we have more than half a book now.
Right.
Well, we're going to talk about cultural Marxism, which is really the latest version of a threat that we've been facing for decades, well, since 1917.
But first, I made fun of you.
I made a little joke in our green room earlier.
I used the epithet, the adjective, Hispanic.
You wrote a book, let's put it up there, The Plot.
This is your first blockbuster book, The Plot to Change America.
How identity politics is dividing the land of the free.
This book is a real glimpse behind the curtain, Mike, of The kind of divide-and-conquer philosophy which has gotten us to a place where you as a Cuban or a family from Cuba, if you fill out an official federal form, there'll be a box that separates you from me that asks you whether you're Hispanic or whether you're non-Hispanic.
How much has this identity... Let's start with this.
How much is identity politics Left political parties and ideologues and radicals and burrowed its way into government.
In fact, because Hispanic is not a race, it's a question all by itself in the census.
They ask you, it completely divides a country into Hispanics and non-Hispanics.
And I choose never to answer the question.
This is obviously an artifact of the activists of the 1970s who insisted that the Census Bureau create this category.
Just make it up.
Yes.
And when the Census Bureau, which at the beginning, now of course the Census Bureau has been infiltrated, but back in the early 70s, they were quite reluctant to do this.
And there's a very famous exchange, which I quote in my book, in which a director of the Census Bureau said, we have all the data that you need.
We have the language to speak at home, the nation of origin.
We have all that.
And the activists said, we don't want the data.
We want the group.
Create a category.
Let's unpack that.
So what is the objective of the activists in the 70s who say to the Bureau, we don't care whether or not they speak Spanish at home.
We want a label.
We want a box.
Why do they want that, Michael?
Well, it's because once you have a group that you can isolate, hive off from the rest of the country, then you have a victimhood category.
In fact, there is a law from around the same time, Ed Roybal wrote this law, which identifies what a Hispanic is.
It's the only law we have in U.S.
history that identifies what a category is.
In the one thing, it's not language, it's not race, it's not skin color, it's not the color of your eyes, it's victimhood.
It's if all the people who have suffered discrimination It's about instilling into members of a category a sense of victimhood, a sense of grievances.
Grievances are now curated.
They are accumulated.
in the late '70s, written by A. Roy Ball.
And it is about that exactly.
It's about instilling into members of a category a sense of victimhood, a sense of grievances.
Grievances are now curated.
They are accumulated.
They have to be written down and remembered, even if they happened decades or centuries ago, to then create an animus against the United States.
Well, that's the point.
The point is, and I love the phrase you say, curated.
Curated for whose utility?
For an elite to leverage that putative victimhood, correct?
Right, exactly.
To use that putative victimhood to create a population that bears an animus against the United States, against our society, against our culture.
Now, as a result, and I know I'm jumping forward, your next book, and if you haven't got this, you really must, because there is no other book like it.
It is your book on the Black Lives Matter movement.
You call it the making of a new Marxist revolution.
It was inevitable.
After what happened with the 70s, the Hispanics, the victimhood, it would be inevitable that sooner or later something like Black Lives Matter would be created on top of all this.
Well, right.
I mean, if you look at the architects of Black Lives Matter, of the organizations.
By the way, the concept is unimpeachable.
If black lives don't matter to you, I don't want to talk to you.
I mean, you have to be a crank.
But that's why it's such an effective phrase.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
The architects, they know what they're doing, Seb.
They really know what they're doing.
The architects of the organizations In fact, I say there's four, usually people say three.
They've all been instructed in Marxism, by Marxists.
In Collore's case, by a guy who was a weatherman terrorist, who spent time in prison, in the case of Alicia Garza, by an actual Gramscian, a cultural anthropologist, who is a very good follower of Antonio Gramsci.
So they know what they're doing.
They instructed them, they trained them for years into Marxism, Leninism and Maoism.
And lo and behold, all of a sudden in 2013 they create this organization that destabilizes society, throws into question our society.
Alicia Garcia goes around saying we have to dismantle the organizing principle of society.
So what they seek to do is to change deeply the way we're constituted as an as a nation the constitution both with a cap c and a small c and we uh we can actually play for you this is uh one of the i wouldn't say founders this is one of the front people because they're not really the founders of black lives matter talking about their training play cut I think of a lot of things.
The first thing I think is that we actually do have an ideological frame.
Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers.
We are trained Marxists.
We are super versed on sort of ideological theories.
We are trained Marxists, that's Patrice Cullors, who are, quote, super versed in the ideology of Marxism.
Which is quite a thing to admit.
Yes, she's not doing that on, you know, cable television.
She's doing it on some left-wing oriented meeting or blog.
But the fact is, she's admitting to what?
That she is a disciple of Karl Marx, of the ideology of Marxism, which is responsible for the death of more than a hundred million people in just the 20th century alone.
That is, right now, persecuting Chinese people in China, the largest communist dictatorship in the world today, before our very eyes.
And also, an ideology which, as a pillar States what?
Of our system.
The American system.
The Western system.
That it cannot live peacefully.
It cannot coexist with Marxism.
This is the challenge that we will be discussing.
It goes straight to the heart of the paper co-authored by Mike and my wife, Katie.
The Cold War was relatively simple.
Why?
Because the enemy was, to a lesser or greater extent, was external.
It was the Soviet Union.
It was the Warsaw Pact.
It was Communist Cuba.
It was North Korea.
It could be pointed at as over there.
And the way to deal with it was to defeat it militarily or to undermine it ideologically.
When the Marxists, when the Communists are quote-unquote inside the wire, when they're not Soviet tank regiments arrayed across the Iron Curtain, But they're actually U.S.
citizens on U.S.
soil, with all the rights endowed them by the U.S.
Constitution.
It's a very, very different challenge.
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Mike, let's drill down a little bit on BLM.
You've written the book on BLM.
Now you've given us a strategy, along with Katie, on how to deal with cultural Marxism.
My former Salem colleague, Larry Elder, just made a new movie.
It's called Uncle Tom 2, the sequel, that deals with what has happened to black America, black families, the breakup, the dismantling of the family unit.
And one of the things he does at the end, which is fascinating, is he goes Person by person, name by name, date by date, to reveal who the white, left-wing, Marxist founders of the NAACP were.
This, you know, the Association for the Advancement of Colored People really wasn't founded by colored people.
It was founded by left-wing, Marxist, white, middle-class, upper-class Americans.
Isn't that the same with BLM?
Yeah, I mean very much so.
In the case of Patrice Cullors, whom you just showed.
By the way, it's very hard to get that video now.
They've done all they can to make... To delete the video of her.
Right, right.
So sometimes, you know, you try to Google for it and it says this video has gone private, you and I have it.
In her case, she was recruited, that's his term, by Eric Mann.
Who's Eric Mann?
Eric Mann was a former member of the Weather Underground, which was a terrorist organization, as you know, in the 60s.
They wanted a world revolution, by the way.
Their manifesto said very clearly they wanted to have a world revolution, get rid of the United States.
They were very bad terrorists.
They, because they were white kids from the suburbs, they ended up blowing each other at a faster rate than they were blowing up cops.
So they had to disband.
The FBI went after them.
They went underground and Carter, you know, gave them amnesty, his attorney general.
And then Eric Mann, after spending some time in prison, came out and founded the Labor Community Strategy Center in Los Angeles.
And in the late 90s... Sounds very Alinsky-ite.
Yes, very much so.
By the way, he was from Cornell, as you said.
You know, a student from an Ivy League.
And he recruits, he said in his book, which he wrote in 2011, two years before the founding of Black Lives Matter.
He is congratulating himself for the recruitment of Patrice Goulart, whom they train, they instruct in Marxism-Leninism for 10 years, and also in the practical arts of organizing.
They put it in the Bus Riders Union, which Eric Mann creates because he discovers that bus riders, that a bus has more people, and the people tend to be more from the minorities and women than a factory floor.
So in other words, this is the abandonment.
So he's got this closed environment in which to indoctrinate people for an hour a day.
Right.
And it's another step away from the worker, who's no longer the revolutionary agent.
And he puts her to work there.
So she trains a knight in ideology.
His wife, Eric Mann's wife, trains her into Marxism and Leninism.
And during the day, she learns how to organize.
In the case of Alicia Garza, she was recruited into the School of Unity and Liberation, which is another Marxist preparatory.
This one created by... They have such great names, the School of University...
This is School of Unity and Liberation.
Our word, when you and I talk, we use liberty.
Yeah.
When they talk, they use liberation.
Liberation.
So just, those listening, this is a quick shorthand.
That's really fascinating.
Because the people, the masses, must be liberated by the elite, right?
Right, right.
When we believe in liberty, it's my liberty, it's your liberty.
Liberty, right.
And so you and I... We have agency.
We would never say liberation.
Right.
They would never say liberty.
That's fascinating.
So tell us about this school, the Elisha Gaza.
So the School of Unity and Liberation, and they do the same thing.
They put her to work in the National Domestic Workers Alliance, again, for the same reason.
The National Domestic Workers Alliance has a great... Domestic workers are mostly minority in origin.
Minority is a concept created by them to begin with, but they have created that, and mostly women.
So it's a great place in which to organize for Marxist ends.
Who creates "Soul" in the School of Unity and Liberation?
Harmony Goldberg, who happens to be a cultural anthropologist and who is a very good Gramscian.
She is a follower of Antonio Gramsci, who, as you know, Seb, was the Italian, half Albanian, half Italian, founder of Italy's Communist Party, But what's important about him is that he's the first one to say, to discover, to really step away from that economic determinism, from saying it's not material forces that are behind the reason why men behave the way they do, it's cultural reasons.
It's the family, it's the religion, it's the nation-state.
In a place like Russia, you can have a revolution, a bloody revolution like Marx called for, except that Marx had called for it in industrial places, and he calls that a war of maneuvers.
But in the West, in countries where you have a thick civic society, like Western Europe and the United States, you need a war of positions.
That's a Gramscian term.
That means infiltrating the cultural institutions, indoctrinating people to then change this as a quiet revolution, if you will, but still a revolution that comes through cultural genocide.
I think we're going to use that as the title for this segment.
You've got to read this paper.
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It's Cultural Marxism and the Threat to America.
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Can I ask you a personal question?
So I came here, what, 14 years ago as an immigrant.
I chose this country.
I ride for the man who wanted to fundamentally change America.
I thought I'd left socialism behind in Europe, and just after I arrived, they elect Obama.
And I start working in D.C., and I'm working on a military base in the middle of the projects, all kinds of ethnicities, all kinds of offices in my classroom.
I didn't really sense any kind of ethnic tension.
And today, it's incomparable what Obama did to us.
I mean, am I seeing something that I shouldn't be seeing?
No, you're absolutely right.
I have visited bases.
I lived in South Korea for two years.
I used to go to the bays there all the time, especially in the militarized zone.
This is in the 80s.
It's like a baseball team.
It's people just doing their job.
They don't really care what your last name is.
They don't care what your color is.
They don't care your provenance.
They don't care your nation of origin.
If you can get a hit or you're a good person to be alongside in a war, that's all that matters.
So it has gotten worse?
Oh, but on purpose.
They have introduced these ideas into the most, I would say, that the American military was the most integrated institution in the country.
But I'm talking about in general.
I'm talking about America writ large.
Oh yes, of course.
All we think about is race.
All we think about is race.
By the way, We have made, I have been here since 1974, we have made enormous strides as a country.
Good strides.
I lived in New York as a kid, everybody was something.
We don't really put up with that anymore.
And this is a good thing.
Okay, so you mentioned Gramsci.
That was to deracialize America.
Now we're re-racializing again.
Re-racializing.
Yeah, that's a great way of putting it, re-racializing America.
Okay, so you mentioned Gramsci.
For those who aren't familiar, Gramsci is the person who takes an ideology that only works in feudal societies, peasant societies, like Tsarist Russia or China.
That's his innovation.
That's his innovation.
That's his value added.
And he turns it into a weapon that works in functioning industrial nations with strong middle classes.
Is it possible to overemphasize his significance?
Because he's really the guy who lays the groundwork for Rudi Deutschke, Marshall Institutions, Frankfurt School.
If you want to understand what's happening in America today, you have to understand Gramsci, don't you?
There's a guy named Picon who's done a lot of work on Marxism.
His theory, which I think is completely correct, but I just wanted to give him credit, is that from 1917 to 1924, communism was Leninist.
From 1924 to 1953, communism was Stalinist.
From 1953 to 1976, it's Maoist.
From the 1980s to the present, it's Gramscian.
We live in the Gramscian era, in which it is cultural Marxism, it is indoctrination, here in Latin America and in Europe, in which you have a war of positions.
It's a quiet revolution, but the ends are the same.
Yeah.
EMSA central planning the the the aims are destroying the family power power we have the only Constitution in the world that is written to limit government power they care everything is a power dynamic in the Marxist idea and and by the way there was a Alicia Garza is is very articulate when she talks about power.
She has studied power.
She says, power is about who gets to make the decisions.
Power is this, power is that.
She thinks about power in a way that you and I don't.
We want to limit government power. - They want to acquire it. - They want to acquire it to do the things they want.
Whereas your ideal, my ideal, is for the institution and her family to thrive, to make their own decisions.
Sometimes decisions will be bad, but they're the decisions made in their circumstances.
That is our idea.
The latest book is BLM.
Let's put the book up there.
This is The New Marxist Revolution, The Making of a New Marxist Revolution.
It's by senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, Mike Gonzalez.
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And the free paper on the threat of cultural Marxism to America, co-written with my muse, Katie Gorka, is available today at heritage.org.
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Okay, well, I have such a flipping long list of things I want to ask you that I need to squeeze into our discussion here.
Oh, let me ask another personal question.
And I'm not playing identity politics, but we have to deal with it because there are certain political forces in this nation that I think this will be the salvation of the Republic, who say, look at recent events in Texas, look at the female, look at that Mexican lady that was elected as a Republican.
I keep hearing this, that the Mexicans, the Latin Americans who come here legally, who integrate in the system, their cultural values are traditional, are conservative.
Therefore, the identity politics played by the Democrats will boomerang, will backfire.
When they see the transgenderism, they see the woke ideology, this will be rejected en masse, and as a result, there will be a restoration of normalcy.
Is that Pollyannish thinking, Michael?
Well, let me rephrase it in this way.
We saw a 10% swing in the last election from the 2018 midterms.
I think the quote-unquote Hispanic vote, which I never use because you have to look at localities, I think it reached a high watermark of 40%, if I'm not correct.
It definitely propelled DeSantis in Florida.
It elected Monica de la Cruz in the Rio Grande Valley.
But the way I would rephrase it is that the victimhood gets stuck in the craw of many people.
The conservative message of being aspirational, the aspirational message, has always sold better with immigrants.
And this idea that the left has had that we're going to take these new immigrants and we're going to deal with them differently from the way we dealt with the Ellis Island immigrants or the 1850 immigrants, which was you can make it, you can become an American, here are the norms, here's here are the norms, here's the things you need to learn.
The idea that my kids must be more successful than me, I'm not a victim.
Right, right.
Right.
And I think that, once again, the Marxists don't really understand human nature.
And if they think you get up one day in Montevideo, Uruguay, or Guerrero, Mexico, or Havana, Cuba, and say, I'm going to do all I can to emigrate to the United States because I want my daughter to grow up to be a victim.
You know, that's really not how the mind works.
So I think that they have alienated, and they continue to alienate, a group of workers with these grievances, this mongering, this hatred mongering, and the aspirational message, which is the American dream, is within your reach.
It doesn't matter where you were born.
The American dream is within your reach.
Work hard, get up in the morning, stay away from drugs, stay away from criminality.
You know, education is the ladder to success.
All these things, I think, appeal.
So rather than say, you know, the old Reagan term that Hispanics are conservatives, they just don't know it yet.
I have some issues with that.
I think victimhood versus aspirational is the big thing.
Okay, let's talk about the founders of this movement, BLM et al.
It is clear that, yes, they may say they're interested in social justice and everything else, but when you're buying four mansions for yourself, when BLM founders raise millions of dollars that don't get into the pockets of victims or victims' families, here's my question for you.
Does that matter?
Dan Bongino has this argument he makes with irregularities.
A good friend of mine.
He says, pointing out the hypocrisy of the left is irrelevant because they embrace the hypocrisy and it never lessens the traction of their message because their hive mentality, their tribe mentality, never means that Patrice Collor's hypocrisy will matter because it's a tribal identity.
Does it matter?
Should we be pointing out the fact that she has four mansions?
Does it matter?
I think we should point it out, but we should not focus on it exclusively.
It doesn't really matter.
I actually prefer that they spend their money in mansions and living well rather than spending it in destroying the United States and dismantling the organizing principle of society.
I don't feel bad for the people that gave them money.
They knew what they were getting into.
They did this to Virtue Signal.
So if their money does not get used for social justice, which was never intended to be, but gets used in mansions rather than cultural genocide, I'm actually happy with that.
By the way, buying mansions is in the best tradition of communism.
Where is the center of gravity?
Kusineb and Dropoff, Kusineb, they all had their country dashes, as you know very well.
So I don't see... Fidel Castro.
Died a billionaire.
I don't see the dissonance.
Okay, good.
I like that.
So where is the center of gravity?
I want everybody to read the paper that you wrote with Katie.
But if you had to identify, you know, is it political parties, the NGOs, is it George Soros funding all of this insanity, Or is it the colleges?
Is it the teacher training colleges?
Where do you think is the motor of this?
If you had to point, in military terms, the center of gravity for this identity politics is where?
It's in the industries that make meaning.
So now it's about the owning the means of production of meaning, if you will.
It is, you know, Eric Mann, the man who recruited Patrice Couleurs, referred to this in an interview he had with a Venezuelan TV station in 2015.
He said, I'm paraphrasing, whether it's race, whether it's sex, whether it's gender, whether it's climate, this is a little division of labor that we have.
We seek to destroy the United States.
We seek to destroy the imperialist power.
So it is in all these areas.
It's diffuse.
They will pursue it.
through all these means, and the way to approach it, I think, like Ron DeSantis has done in Florida, Glenn Youngkin to a lesser extent, is to pursue it along these ways.
By the way, it's not just these good governors.
The state treasurer of West Virginia, Riley Moore, has gone after the corporations, gone after BlackRock, has said, if you If you will not invest, if you will exclude fossil fuel industries, we're going to exclude you from doing business with the state.
And I think that is a, and West Virginia's not alone, it's like there's 20 states now doing this, fighting ESG on this level.
I think all these things which Katie and I put in our paper, it's really the formula that I think will help us gain grounding.
It's the cultural entities that are providing meaning.
Whether it's media, whether it's TV, whether it's TikTok, it's those that are purportedly providing meaning.
Those are the centers of gravity.
That makes sense of the world, right.
All right.
Heritage.org to read the paper.
It's absolutely free.
Go to heritage.org to read the paper on cultural Marxism, the threat to America and the plan to defeat it by our guest Mike Gonzalez and my muse Katie Gorka.
So he's the real man.
He is the former terrorist, the man behind the BLM movement.
He's Eric Mann and here's a little clip from Eric Mann.
For white folks in the middle class community, the cop is your friend and walks you across the school.
But in the black communities and Latino communities today, the police are your enemy and the police are moving against you at virtually everything you do.
Understand, when you call for more police, you should just say after me, I want more armed people who are freaked out, emotionally unstable, to come into my house when I'm unarmed and protect me from God knows what.
We do not need more police.
We need the training of police.
We need the psychiatric training of police.
We need the disarming of police.
We need a reduction number of police.
I'm not a totally no-police person, but a sane, healthy society dramatically reduces and controls police behavior as the greatest threat.
To any of us, is when L.A.
says it only has 9,750 police, we have a slogan, we want 1,000 more buses, 1,000 less police.
That's moving to 2,000 less police, because we want to decriminalize drugs and make it into a medical problem, which any decent society would do.
Less police, disarmed police.
Eric Mann, the individual behind Black Lives Matter.
Last question to our special guest, Mike Gonzalez.
Mike, is America waking up to the reality of people like Eric Mann?
I believe so, except that it really bothers me as I was watching this, Seb, that everyone knows who BLM is, and practically nobody knows who Eric Mann is.
And yet, He does this.
By the way, he does real damage.
He worked with BLM in 2020 to knock out, I think, close to a half of the school police budget in Los Angeles.
You know, if you know anybody who works in a school, or if your children go to school, you know how important it is to have police in schools, to keep them safe.
He knocked out a third to a half of the police budget in Los Angeles, the public school police budget.
He does real damage, and he may say that he is for some policing.
His disciple, Patrisse Cullors, is an abolitionist who wants to get rid of the police, but not just that, Seb.
She wants to get rid of the prison system, and she wants to get rid of the court system.
No society survives that, which isn't crazy from her perspective, because she wants to destroy society.
They really deep down are... Maybe anarchist isn't the right word for people like that.
Maybe Marxist isn't the right word.
Maybe anarchist is.
Educate yourself.
Pick up this gentleman's books.
The first most recent is BLM.
The making of a Marxist, a new Marxist revolution.
And the prior one on the scourge that is identity politics.
The plot to change America.
How identity politics is dividing the land of the free.
Follow him on Twitter.
Gundi Salvis is his nom de guerre.
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Cultural Marxism, the threat to the United States, and how Americans can fight it.
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