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	Thank you.
	What would you do if a man you looked up to, who you considered not only your friend, but a mentor, snubbed you?
	Decided not to smoke cigars with you?
	What would you do?
	I don't know.
	Let's ask my rabbi what he'd do.
	He's my Salem colleague, Dennis Prager.
	Welcome to America First.
	What would you do if a good friend of yours was in town, didn't tell you, and then left?
	I, unlike you, I would assume that my good friend had no time because I would give him the benefit of the doubt.
	All right, a little bit of inside baseball.
	Dennis Prager was in town recently for the reason why he's on my show.
	I found out secondhand because nothing gets past me.
	I have drones watching this man every single day.
	That is true.
	I believe that.
	And he came to the Museum of the Bible, an amazing organization, to talk about his new book.
	But I wanted to have cigars with him.
	But he did.
	He did now know.
	What Bugs Bunny crying looks like because that's the emoji I sent him afterwards.
	I laughed out loud and people were wondering what was making me laugh.
	Alright.
	It was worth it for that.
	By the way, just so that everyone knows, having a cigar with you is one of the joys of my life.
	Just wanted to stop it.
	Stop it, Dennis.
	I will forever.
	It's before I start.
	I think I hadn't even started.
	I will forever.
	I hadn't even started my show with Salem.
	And we were speaking at an event together in California.
	And you jumped into your car.
	I think you have a special app.
	I think it's called the Dennis's Fun app that shows him wherever there is a cigar bar near his location.
	And he took me to one.
	We made friends with the man behind the counter.
	And you explained to me What I was embarking upon, and I'm just going to share it now in front of three million people.
	I said, what am I getting myself involved in?
	Because I love listening to radio, have done since I was a child.
	And you summarized our job for us thusly, a job that you've been doing for almost half a century, I believe.
	You said, Sebastian, do you understand what we do for a living?
	We get to tell people what we think for three hours a day.
	And we get paid for it!
	And it is a delight to have you as my colleague.
	Thank you, Dennis, for that peek behind the curtain.
	And you were right when you described the path on which I was about to step.
	The occasion for you coming to DC, the occasion for you being on our show today, is the latest in your Rational Bible series.
	I think it's from my same publisher.
	Is it with Regnery, Dennis?
	Yes.
	Well, of course, it must be the best.
	And by the way, they did a great job.
	The book is gorgeous, like Exodus and Genesis.
	So this is Deuteronomy.
	For those who aren't familiar with the series and why you use the title Rational Bible, will you explain first the genesis of the title and what your goal is with each of these volumes?
	I use reason as my vehicle to God.
	Others use other things.
	None is better than another.
	It's what works for you.
	If the end is this good God of the Bible, the God of the Ten Commandments, I don't care if you get there through epiphany, theophany, feelings, habit, or reason.
	But I get there through reason.
	And my vehicle, specifically, are the first five books of the Bible.
	It's the whole Bible, but especially the first five books.
	Everything in the rest of the Bible, Old and New Testaments, comes from that creation.
	The Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, the Exodus, the Ten Commandments, love your neighbor as yourself, Love God it is that is all from there.
	It is these five books known as the Torah These are the basis of everything.
	I am in love with the Torah literally in love It is my it is my vehicle to God more than anything else more than prayer more than nature This is what brings me closest to God.
	And the reason is, it is so wise.
	It gives me answers to life's questions.
	It gives me guidance.
	It gives me a moral basis for understanding life.
	And I realized many, many years ago, when I started teaching this over 30 years ago, and gradually, all the people who came to my class, half were Jews and half were Christians, and the other half were everything else.
	So in other words, all types of people came.
	My belief is that this is the greatest message to the world.
	If people took these books seriously, There would be a really good and peaceful world.
	Its brilliance is evident constantly, and I try to bring that to people's attention.
	I know Biblical Hebrew like English.
	I'm very lucky in that way.
	And that's a tremendous help because I explain things often by noting what the Hebrew wanted to say.
	And the Genesis and Exodus have 4,000 reviews on Amazon.
	Many Christians say it has strengthened their faith.
	That is exactly what I would hope to do.
	I also hope to make the atheists think that what you learned at college, that the Bible was for idiots, is the opposite.
	Secularism produces idiocy, not the Bible.
	You've said there are many paths to God.
	For me, I don't have your intellect, Dennis.
	For me, nature is the path.
	I go outside and I see proof of God in every leaf, on every tree.
	But we have to understand God's Word.
	Everybody needs to read the books in the Rational Bible series.
	I don't want you to summarize your book.
	I want people to buy it and read it.
	But would you share with us some adjectives that differentiate, say, Deuteronomy from Genesis?
	What are the important words that you associate with this book of the Bible?
	I'm truly glad you asked.
	First, Sebastian, I think you will find this fascinating.
	I did.
	A very thorough research was undertaken to find out what book, or books, the founders of the United States of America most frequently cited.
	And number two was Montesquieu, the French Enlightenment thinker.
	Number one of all religious and secular works was Deuteronomy.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	I didn't know that until I finished the book, I'm sorry to say.
	I didn't note that in the book.
	So why, since you found out after you finished the book, give us your hypothesis why you think it's that book that they refer to so often.
	That's right.
	Because this is Moses summarizing everything.
	That's what Deuteronomy is from the, I believe it's from the Latin, And it means second law.
	And this is Moses' summary of everything that took place before then.
	So it's in condensed form virtually every major idea that preceded it, including a repetition of the Ten Commandments.
	God gives it in Exodus and Moses recounts it in Deuteronomy.
	And I think that, as well, it gave the founders the bases of making a society and a government.
	For example, you have this great law that, unknown to most people, Christian or Jew, there's a law there that the king, if you ever have a king, God did not want the Israelites to have a king, but should you ever have a king, He will have to write down all these laws.
	He will have to literally write them down.
	Wouldn't that be great if our president had to write down the Constitution before he became president?
	It would be fabulous, indeed.
	And I'm going to do a little bit of one-upmanship here.
	It's actually from the Greek Deuteronomon, meaning the second law.
	Oh, it is Greek.
	I was debating Greek or Latin.
	I cheated.
	I cheated, I looked it up.
	But I had to!
	Dennis Prager, can I just one-up Dennis Prager live on radio?
	Will you stay with us for one more segment?
	We've only just scratched the surface.
	I want to continue the discussion.
	Will you do that, Dennis?
	The more the merrier.
	All right, stay with us.
	We'll chat in the breaks as well for all our Rumble viewers.
	Don't forget, if you want to make sure you never miss a nanosecond of the show, Spotify, go and subscribe to the podcast, leave us a five-star review, and send the links to all you know, because we have a nation to save.
	So when do you write, Dennis?
	Do you not sleep?
	Do you know, we might want to say this on the air, it's hilarious that you should ask that.
	So when I received Deuteronomy in the mail, I give you my word, I had only one reaction.
	Not, wow, look at what a great thing, and so on.
	I had one reaction.
	I said, when the hell did I write this?
	I'll ask Sue, because Sue would know, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	And the truth is, I do need very little sleep.
	I'm like Trump in that way.
	Has that always been the case?
	Yes, it's always been the case.
	When I sleep a lot, I get sleepier.
	That's funny.
	I sent you and Sue a text.
	I can resend it as an email.
	But if you enjoy the first article I wrote on Substack, which I think you will, I'd love it if you shared it with your fans as well.
	What is it on?
	It's called, To Fight or Not to Fight.
	I revisit that infamous event in the Rose Garden, where that Playboy correspondent wanted to fight with me, and I talk about the spirit of standing up for the truth.
	So I think you might enjoy it.
	Terrific.
	Thank you, absolutely.
	Was that a text that you sent us?
	A text, but I can send it as an email.
	Yeah, yeah, because yesterday was Yom Kippur and I was running services, so I didn't see anything.
	Of course, of course.
	How was your event at the Museum of the Bible?
	How did it go?
	It was really nice.
	People came from different parts of the country.
	It was very touching.
	You know, it's the saddest thing.
	It's a tragic thing for me and I tell every member of the board I can and everybody I meet, that is a world-class establishment and nobody knows about it.
	Nobody knows about it.
	Well, because the media have no interest in telling people about it.
	They rather... The New York Times had a front page of its art section review a few years ago.
	I actually mentioned this in my commentary.
	of a giant exhibition in the Netherlands at a museum, giant, I mean it was like a warehouse size, at a museum, of giant, and this is their word, turds.
	That's poop.
	They have given more attention to giant turds than the Museum of the Bible.
	Wow.
	Well, and don't forget, piss Christ and everything else.
	Oh, I comment on that constantly.
	And by the way, you'll note...
	The cowardice of these people.
	They would never do piss Quran.
	Oh, of course not!
	Of course not!
	Never!
	They still remember what happened to Salman Rushdie just a few weeks ago in New York.
	That's right.
	That's correct.
	All right.
	I'm going to start again in 50 seconds.
	We're going to return to the book, but I've got another question first regarding a speech that will be familiar to you.
	So guys, I'm going to do Mighty Oaks, then I'm going to tee up the cut one we used with Dr. Turley.
	No, no cuts for the Mighty Oaks.
	Yep, yep, yep.
	All right, 30 seconds, Dennis.
	Mm-hmm.
	All right, 30 seconds, Dennis.
	Constitution, America first.
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	We are back with Dennis Prager.
	You've got to listen to him every day on the Salem Network.
	You've got to support his organization, PragerU, which is superb, and get his new book from Regnery, my publisher.
	It is the Rational Bible, Deuteronomy.
	Let's put all of our discussion into the broadest context possible.
	The one speech I consider it to be the seminal speech of President Trump.
	It's one I am proud to have been involved with.
	I didn't write it.
	I helped set the stage for the context along with my boss Steve Bannon.
	And it's the speech he gave at the site of the Warsaw Uprising Memorial in Poland.
	And here is the most powerful line I wish all of our listeners to hear and then have you comment on.
	Play cut.
	We have to remember that our defense is not just a commitment of money.
	It is a commitment of will.
	Because as the Polish experience reminds us, the defense of the West ultimately rests not only on means, but also on the will of its people to prevail and be successful and get what you have to have.
	The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.
	Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost?
	Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders?
	Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?
	Do we have the will to save our civilization from those who wish to destroy it?
	Back then, the context was ISIS.
	Back then, the context was North Korea and Iran.
	Today, we have a different context.
	Dennis, at his last rally last Saturday, the president said, we have skipped the socialism phase.
	We have jumped from free America To communism, if you look at what's happening, to the DOJ, the FBI, the raid on a pro-life father's house as his seven children were screaming.
	You are an expert on totalitarianism.
	You traveled the Soviet Union as a young man.
	Where are we in this?
	Do you share this concern that Roger Kimball has termed the Sovietization of American politics?
	So, I tell my listeners that I studied Russian for one reason.
	I wanted to be able to read Pravda.
	Pravda was the Soviet Communist newspaper, the most important quote-unquote newspaper in the Soviet Union.
	I didn't learn Russian to read Dostoevsky.
	I didn't learn Russian in order even to converse with people, which I ultimately was able to do, but I learned it to read Pravda.
	It never occurred to me when I was a student at Columbia at the Russian Institute that I would ever utilize my knowledge of communism and my ability to read between the lines of Pravda in order to understand what was happening in my beloved America.
	I never imagined that my study of communism would be relevant in any way to America.
	That is how bad it is.
	So what is the answer?
	We have a Cold War context in which we had to fight the external threat.
	We had to use truth to undermine Pravda, Izvestia, TASS.
	We had to support dissident movements like Solidarnosc, behind the Iron Curtain.
	Now we're talking about America.
	There's no iron curtain across which we have to assist dissidents.
	These are our fellow Americans who are trying to dismantle our freedoms.
	Have you thought about how we have to rejigger our response because the threat is fellow Americans?
	Yes.
	Well, to Come back, I guess, 180 degrees or 360 degrees, depending on how you look at it.
	And that, in essence, is why I have been devoting this past decade to my five-volume Bible commentary.
	The Bible was the central text of America at its founding, and for every single one of the founders of the country, including people who were not particularly religious like Jefferson, the Bible was the central text of their lives because it is the wisest work ever the Bible was the central text of their lives because it It is now a non-issue for at least half of America who couldn't name the four gospels or couldn't name the first five books.
	Their ignorance is virtually total.
	The references to biblical characters, like Moby Dick begins, call me Ishmael.
	How many Americans ever heard of Ishmael now?
	But it was taken for granted that the average high school kid knew Cain and Abel and Ishmael, etc, etc.
	The genius of these books is why I am writing this commentary.
	All right.
	Oh, he's so skillful.
	He uses the cough button and you can't even tell just because I'm watching him on video.
	Deuteronomy... I play the cough button like Jascha Heifetz played the violin.
	Like a Stradivarius.
	That's exactly right.
	The book is Deuteronomy.
	It is the latest volume in the series The Rational Bible.
	God... Seb, I would ask people to forgive me.
	Truly forgive me.
	Yeah.
	Because I hate interrupting you.
	But I know our time is limited and I want people to read the reviews of Genesis and Exodus of my Rational Bible.
	There are 4,000 reviews.
	Do they have to read all of them before they buy Deuteronomy?
	They could read five of them.
	They could read none of them if they get Deuteronomy.
	But if they're wondering what it will do for them, read what agnostics and atheists write, read what Christians write, read what Jews write.
	We're out of time and I need to do this.
	It's not about my show, it's about Dennis.
	So, Deuteronomy.
	Read the reviews of the prior two texts and then you will know why you need this book.
	But just as important, please support Prager University, PragerU.com, along with Turning Point, the most important organization saving this nation.
	God bless you, Dennis Prager.
	This is America First.
	Hey, Dennis, that was superb.
	It was.
	It's always a joy to be on with you.
	Thank you so much.
	Oh, and then am I going to see you for the town hall?
	Are we going to be on the same stage once or twice?
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	All right.
	I will bring my guillotine cutter.
	So I want you to know, and I know that I will be lowered in your esteem.
	Don't say you went back to the V-Cut.
	Don't say it, Dennis.
	No.
	Worse.
	Worse.
	I am now in bullet.
	Oh, the bullet never works.
	It's awful.
	Had I told him that I was having an extramarital affair, it would bother him less.
	It challenges our friendship.
	If you say bullet punch, it challenges our friendship.
	Even Otto is rethinking his relationship with you.
	I can tell you.
	He does not know I do a bullet.
	He doesn't know yet.
	I might have to tell him.
	All right, best of you and Sue.
	I can't wait to have a cigar with you.
	All right, bye-bye.
	Alex, disconnect him.
	Because Boyle's gonna be down on it.
	I mean, when it's dropped.
	Want me to include the little bit of the breaks conversation with you two?
	Yes, yes, absolutely.
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	Hello, Matt?
	Yeah, can you hear me?
	Yep.
	Perfect.
	Just my pillow.
	yeah sure with
	more journalism in his little finger than cnn has on its entire network Sebastian Gorka.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Welcome back.
	Hey, is Mr. G there?
	He's on the phone.
	Give him a second.
	All right, I need to ask him a special opinion because he's a fellow cigar buff like mine.
	Do you believe, Dennis, when he says he's gone to the bullet punch?
	I think he's just provoking me.
	I think he's provoking you.
	I think he's provoking me.
	Bullet cuts are garbage, right Jeff?
	Not my choice.
	Good.
	Guillotine all the way.
	way.
	If you don't know what I'm talking about, you have been uncorrupted.
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	It's that time of the week we have to check in with the man who knows the swamp better than any.
	Maybe, maybe President Trump can beat him on that.
	He is the Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart.com, Matt Boyle.
	Welcome back.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure.
	And yes, I will defer.
	President Trump absolutely knows more about the swamp than me.
	I will never claim to be better than President Trump.
	You'll never hear me do that.
	All right.
	Can I ask you, do you speak Bidenese?
	No.
	I don't know who does.
	I was hoping, I don't know if anybody does, but given that you know The Swamp like the back of your hand, I need somebody to translate this to me.
	When he wasn't swearing and using the F word on an open mic yesterday in Florida or insulting Governor DeSantis, this is what he said and I don't know what it means.
	Cut three.
	in California, Oregon, Wisconsin, well, excuse me, Oregon, Washington State, Idaho, down in New Mexico, in Arizona, then makes up the entire, entirety of the state of New Jersey.
	To the ground!
	Gone!
	Gone!
	And so, the thing I plead with you to do, and I'm sure you will, we're going to get you all through this, you're going to get, because of the grit of all of you, But when you get it done, when you hear it happening somewhere else, remember, this is the United States of America.
	What was that, Matt?
	Help me out.
	I have no idea, Dr. Corker.
	I can't begin to try to make sense of what it is that he was trying to say there.
	Look, when people are towards the end of their lives, oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes, you end up having people going through memory issues.
	Now, they'll have moments of lucidity.
	They'll have moments where they're really with it and they remember everything.
	Everything is vivid.
	Everything's clear.
	They make a lot of sense.
	And then they have moments Where they make absolutely zero sense at all.
	They start, you know, at 90 years old talking about their, their, uh, going to see their mother who's been dead for 30 years.
	And like things like Joe Biden is showing signs of somebody who has memory care issues.
	He does not belong in the white house.
	He belongs in a memory, memory care institution, uh, where he can be given the treatment that he needs, frankly.
	And you know, it's sad to see people go through this at the end of their lives, but.
	I mean, the guy clearly has had enough instances of this in public that the American people can see on display that are really dangerous to have this person with the nuclear codes, to have this person with the ability and the secrets of the presidency.
	So, I mean, for national security reasons, somebody with these major mental issues probably shouldn't be the president of the United States.
	Here's another example from yesterday.
	This is Biden talking about how many jobs he has created.
	A man who's never worked in the private sector.
	Cut to.
	Our economy has created 10 million jobs.
	668 manufacturing jobs.
	You didn't create 10 million.
	Allowing people to go back to work isn't creating a job.
	And then he says, and we've created 668 manufacturing jobs.
	That's perhaps more accurate, right, Matt?
	No, no, it's accurate to say that Joe Biden has created zero jobs.
	His entire adult life because he's never worked in the private sector.
	Look, government does not create jobs.
	In fact, every person out there that owns a company that runs a business, a small business to a big business, should be insulted by what he just said.
	It's them who created the jobs.
	It's the regular people out there, the working people who made those jobs happen, who got the economy going.
	The government doesn't create jobs.
	No, the government can create economic conditions, I know you were bumped for a segment by my colleague Dennis Prager.
	So no, like Joe Biden has created zero jobs his entire life.
	He's never worked in the private sector once in his life.
	I know you were bumped for a segment by my colleague, Dennis Prager.
	Can you stay on for one more, Matt?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	Stay with us because we got more questions to ask because we are a month away from the midterms.
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	Matt, I'm going to play a cut from Pramila J-Powell.
	Is there something else you want to talk about?
	Is there a topic, a story you're working on?
	Just all midterms, all the time, man.
	So all the way through the home stretch here.
	Good, good.
	Will you play it?
	What do you want to talk about?
	OK, will you play cut 11, Eric?
	And then, and then, and then... The idea that... Go ahead, go on.
	Putin and Vladimir Putin and MBS are essentially trying to interfere in our election through these actions using OPEC is extremely Troubling and we should all be concerned about their influence and then which cuts and then 10 10 Oh, yeah, president Biden said recently the pandemic is over it It doesn't feel over.
	For instance, Jim, we got a shot of this.
	This audience right here, everybody here is still in their masks right here just for an abundance of safety.
	Yeah.
	So as you can see, every night I come out here, it doesn't feel over to me.
	When will it feel over?
	You know, it'll feel over in the real sense when it gets to such a low level in society that it doesn't disrupt the social order the way it is here requiring people.
	Okay, that cuts back.
	You really think every person brought their mask there?
	That that wasn't... Of course not.
	No, of course not.
	Um... A nine.
	Hang on a second If you if Yes, hang on if If you... If you could do it again, would you still double down or use that slogan?
	Defund the police?
	Absolutely.
	You would?
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Um, so let's...
	Oh, she doesn't actually say it?
	Defund the police?
	Don Lemon said it to her.
	He said that slogan.
	Defund the police.
	But is it in the cut?
	I think so.
	Play it again.
	Play it again?
	If you could do it again, would you still double down or use that slogan?
	Defund the police?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Alright, I'll use the Pramila cut.
	All righty.
	Because he was afraid she was going to say yes, that's why.
	Did you see breaking news just now, Dr. G?
	Senator Ben Sasse is going to resign at the end of the year.
	No!
	All right, I'm going to do a breaking news and then you can do a breaking news, all right?
	Yep, okay.
	That means he's running.
	No, he's taking a job at some academic institution.
	I think he's just done in the Senate, which is fine.
	So you'll tee up that.
	Mm-hmm.
	Thank you.
	Gorka.
	Oh, I wasn't even ready for that.
	Thank you.
	Excellent.
	Yes, we do have, we have double breaking news.
	This is from Mr. G, keeping us up to date with the latest developments.
	This is from Fox 29.
	Biden is to pardon all prior federal marijuana offenses.
	I guess it must be close to midterms.
	We've also got breaking news from the Washington Bureautry for Breitbart.
	Matt, what's your breaking news?
	Yeah, so just now reports are breaking that Senator Ben Sasse intends to resign at the end of the year to take some kind of a job at a leading academic institution.
	We don't know exactly what that is, but that will be a significant development.
	But Senator Sasse was somebody who like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee all went all in for in his primary back in 2014 when he first won.
	And he's kind of been a little bit of a disappointment, I think.
	Oh, come on, that's putting it a bit mildly, Matt.
	More than a disappointment.
	But again, you can thank Ted Cruz for that one, because he was the one that was responsible for this.
	But the point is, is that he's been a pretty big disappointment for conservatives and Republicans, was always waffling during the Trump administration.
	So this is a big win for, I think, for conservatives.
	And hopefully an opportunity for them to get another stronger better senator into that seat After this upcoming midterm elections, I would think there would be a first an appointment and then a special election I'm not exactly sure how Nebraska law works I'm gonna have to check into it but a big development there and yet another opportunity I think to get a Trump like conservative rather than one of these Ted Cruz losers into one of these seats and
	Goodbye to another weak-kneed, milk-toasted, non-MAGA senator.
	Goodbye, little Benny Sass.
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	All right, Matt, this is the latest Crazy Town clip from Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal talking about OPEC and Russia collusion, Cut 11. 7.
	The idea that Putin and Vladimir Putin and MBS are essentially trying to interfere in our election through these actions using OPEC is extremely troubling and we should all be concerned about their influence.
	Okay, so now Russia is using the Middle East OPEC oil cartel to undermine our elections.
	These guys are insane, Matt.
	Is this a sign that we are a month away from a midterms and the Democrats are just flipping desperate?
	All signs right now are pointing to the red wave getting even bigger in every respect.
	There's polls that keep coming out in states like New Hampshire, New York, New Mexico, Washington State.
	I mean, these are not red states that Republicans are within the margin of error and get governor and U.S.
	Senate races against incumbent or Democrat candidates in many of these places.
	It is not looking good for the Democrats.
	That's why they are cooking up this completely illogical nonsense to try to justify and explain away the coming loss.
	Remember, after 2016, in the lead up to 2016, that's when you saw Hillary Clinton in the Steele dossier, and they were cooking up this whole Russia excuse.
	They're doing the same thing again right now.
	They're going to, when the Republicans take control of both the House and the Senate, and I think that's what's going to happen, and I think it's going to be way bigger than people realize, and all these governor races around America too, on November the 8th, they're going to come out and they're going to use this nonsense explanation again to blame the Russians because they can't admit that they have fatally flawed problems as a political party, as an institution.
	The Democrat party is flawed from top to bottom.
	Uh, it's really, really bad, and they won't admit it, so they just blame the Russians.
	Right, so let's get, you know, Matt Boyle's crystal ball out.
	If there is, we talked to the head of the Trafalgar polling organization, Robert Cahill, he said he expects 25 to 35 seat victory, two seats in the Senate.
	If that's the case, what do you think happens to Joe Biden after the midterms?
	What do the Democrats do to him, Matt?
	Well, look, I think that, first off, I think that Robert Kaley's analysis is probably pretty close to spot on, though I think it could be even better than that, especially in the Senate, with several of these races swinging hard towards the right.
	I think the Democrats, look, at the end of the day, they're going to have a tough time getting rid of Joe Biden because he's currently the president, right?
	So he still has the office, he still has the powers.
	I don't think he's going away as easy as people think.
	Really?
	I really don't.
	I really don't.
	But you don't think he becomes an albatross and a millstone around the neck of the Democrats?
	Sure he does.
	And the new guys coming up underneath them, the very few of them, like the Gavin Newsom's and the Pete Buttigieg's and the Pritzker's, are all going to try to angle to get him out of the way and supplant him.
	But, I mean, you need a willing participant for that to happen.
	So it's going to have to get real bad for Biden.
	That's why what happens with these Republican investigations is going to be so important.
	People need to keep the heat and the focus.
	Look, Kevin McCarthy is going to be the Speaker of the House.
	Mitch McConnell's probably going to be the majority leader in the Senate if the Republicans take the majority. - Right.
	People in the base need to keep the heat on the Republicans to make sure they do their job and actually get to the bottom of all of this stuff and we don't have a repeat of the Obama administration when they blew it with the oversight.
	I have a selfish question in that regard, because you have the best contacts on Capitol Hill.
	After my lunch with Matt Gaetz last week that made it into the news, I did a piece for Breitbart on it about a special committee that I could be involved in investigating Hunter Biden.
	I don't think the establishment GOP was happy with my meeting with Matt Gaetz.
	Did you hear anything to that effect, Matt?
	I haven't.
	I haven't heard anything from anybody that did that effect.
	Look, a lot of Matt Gaetz's ideas are being implemented by McCarthy, which is good.
	Matt Gaetz is out there calling for every committee to be treated as an oversight committee.
	Kevin McCarthy's endorsed that.
	He made that part of the commitment to America.
	That's a good thing, right?
	So, if members speak out, and they use their voice, and the public speaks out, and they use their voice, if these guys listen, and I think McCarthy's a lot better at listening than McConnell, right?
	So, night and day difference, right?
	But, you know, you gotta keep the heat up.
	And as long as we do that, I think that the Republicans will fall through in many respects.
	We pushed Matt relentlessly for about two years.
	He is back on social media.
	You can follow him on the President's platform.
	It's Truth Social, and he's at real Matt Boyle.
	Thank you, Matt Boyle.
	Thank you for your flexibility today.
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	Uh, titles.
	That woman is a looney tunes.
	Jayapal?
	Yeah.
	She's one of the worst, yeah.
	I think she's also really stupid.
	Yeah, I could see that.
	Alright, so what do you need?
	Uh, Prager, Boyle, and, uh, the professor.
	Alright, for Prager... Um... My most important guide in life.
	And what else?
	Boyle.
	Do you speak Bidenese?
	And then for Turley, what should we do for Turley?
	There's so much there.
	Something about the politics of gratitude and resentment was kind of interesting.
	Oh!
	Is that exactly what he said?
	He said we're living in the time of the politics of resentment.
	I love that.
	The politics of resentment.
	I like that.
	That really is kind of eye-opening, the analysis there.
	The whole idea that a lot of our troubles today are born out of the fact that people just aren't grateful for what we have anymore.
	Yeah, I love that.
	No, no.
	Do this.
	What did you say?
	The politics of resentment.
	No, that's too negative.
	The importance of gratitude.
	Gratitude and... Gratitude and manly duty.
	Gratitude and manly duty.
	All righty.
	He's so good.
	He really is, yeah.
	We should have him back.
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	Dr. G, happy Thursday to you.
	The rolling thunder of Radio Free America.
	Thank you, buddy.
	What's your topic for today?
	Well, you know, I had a quick question, Dr. G. I called the Pacifica Radio just to sort of needle the enemy a little bit.
	And I got into, it was fun, I got into a little, uh, I guess you'd say debate with their host, and he was doing okay until I asked him, how come your side doesn't call the violence they engage in violence?
	How come it's militant direct action?
	But if our side engages in violence, all of a sudden that's violence, that's a threat to the world.
	What did he say?
	You know, uh, thanks for your call.
	And, and then, and then he did like a, sorry, went on an awful little, on a little, um, I wouldn't say a rant.
	He went off on an evasive tactic, talking about how research, research has showed that the protests on their side were mainly peaceful.
	And I was thinking, well, yeah, nobody cares about peaceful protests, though.
	Protests are one thing.
	Riots are another.
	We don't care about the peaceful protesters.
	I'd protect their right to protest.
	It's when they get violent that's the problem.
	Like at our, at January 6th, How many thousands of peaceful protesters were there?
	Thousands and thousands that didn't do anything violent, but it was only a relative handful.
	Like, what is it?
	800 that did anything that they could be even charged for.
	And so that, by their own standard, January 6th was mainly peaceful.
	Yes!
	Yes, you're talking about hundreds of thousands of people.
	Only 800 were actually investigated.
	Far fewer were actually charged.
	But, you know, their get-out clause, Don, is research shows.
	Really?
	What research?
	Whose research?
	Written by which organization?
	Funded by who?
	It's a get-out clause.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	It's utter, complete garbage.
	Thank you.
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	Let's go to waiting very patiently in Los Angeles.
	Our buddy on the West Coast, Brent!
	Happy Thursday!
	God's blessings Great Gorka!
	Did you catch Dennis Prager?
	Yes I did.
	Wasn't that amazing?
	He's just so good.
	He's wonderful and we have a lot of transcendent firepower all coming together and I wanted to say as a Jew coming from Yom Kippur and returning heartbroken and horrified to the destruction and suicide of my beloved California and God's exceptional America I want to call on my fellow Jews to hear and stand
	Hand in hand with righteous, courageous pastors such as John Hagee, John MacArthur, and the exquisite Eric Metaxas, who are all standing like the prophets Jeremiah, Mordecai, and Malachi for God, country, and family in direct opposition to America's evil, God-hating tyrants,
	And Pastor John MacArthur just delivered a breathtaking sermon and an open letter to Governor Newsom from his Grace Community Church in San City, California, where he said, You sponsored billboards across America promoting the slaughter of children.
	You further compounded the wickedness of that murderous campaign with a reprehensible act of gross blasphemy, quoting the words of Jesus as if you could somehow twist his meaning and arrogate his name in favor of butchering unborn infants.
	And also with Eric Metaxas, he wrote a brilliant and courageous letter to the American church, which need equally be heeded by America's Jews, in which he excoriates Christians for their surrender to a state now being ruled by Satan.
	Yeah, no, please, Eric, would you find that letter from Pastor McCarthy?
	I want to read it, I want to check it out, and maybe lift parts of it for reading live on the show.
	Look, I agree with you Brent, and God bless Eric, we had an amazing one hour long discussion with him last week on the show.
	But my issue, Brent, is you've probably named most of them.
	I mean, we're in a nation of 330 million, and the number of pastors, priests, local church leaders who are prepared to stand up is miniscule, don't you agree?
	Yes, but I think it's growing, and the courage of these people are going to lift us all.
	And, you know, in ancient times, we also didn't have a lot of prophets, but, you know... This is true!
	No, no, that is true.
	That is true.
	The nation of Israel didn't need a lot of prophets to become the chosen nation of the Lord.
	Nicely put, my friend, nicely put.
	As ever, you are a credit to the show.
	Let's go to Greg in Minneapolis.
	Greg, welcome to America First.
	Hello, Mr. Gorka.
	Yes, hello.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	Well, my question is, Chuck Schumer is obviously a complete disaster.
	He is the most anti-American majority leader I've ever seen.
	And my question is, if there's 50 Republican senators, 48 Democratic senators, and two Independents, why does he get to be majority leader?
	No one seems to answer this for me.
	Um, because they're not really independents.
	It's very simple.
	Hmm.
	Next question.
	That was it.
	Okay, thank you.
	They're not independents.
	What are you talking about, independents?
	Are you having a joke?
	They're not independents.
	They vote with the Democrats.
	But thank you.
	I'm surprised nobody could answer that question for you.
	Let's go to our friend, Victor, waiting very patiently in Silver Spring, line one.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	I want to thank you for the FBI mug my fiancee took it home with her and showed it to her brother that works at the FBI or used to and he got a big kick out of it.
	So you're telling me an ex-FBI agent liked the mug that we have?
	Yes.
	All right.
	I'm going to hold it up for... Where did it go?
	Here we go.
	This is the mug I designed a month ago that some people said was too much.
	It is now the hottest selling item on the website.
	It says Joe Biden's Gestapo, the FBI.
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	What else would you like to share with us, my friend?
	I'm making a prediction here.
	Yes.
	With the oil prices going up again and Biden getting kicked in the head by OPEC, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody in his administration is going to say, well, it looks like one of the Republicans talked to OPEC and to make them look better in the midterms to tell the Saudis to
	Stop producing oil or reduce the amount to make the Republicans look good for the midterms Well, it's worse than that.
	It's worse than that.
	I played the cut in the last hour.
	This is Democrat Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal who goes even worse than that cut 11 play cut the idea that Putin and Vladimir Putin and MBS are essentially trying to interfere in our election through these actions using OPEC is extremely troubling and we should all be concerned about their influence.
	So, Victor, it's worse than, you know, saying a Republican's doing it.
	They're saying Vladimir Putin is working with OPEC to undermine the election in favor of the Republicans.
	That's how insane they are, Victor.
	Yes, and I'm surprised they haven't used the Republican card yet, but they'll get around to it.
	Oh, they will.
	You know they will.
	Thank you, my friend, and thank you for telling us how you wrote.
	We've enjoyed Happy Thursday to you, Dr. G and all your staff.
	Listen, I look forward to seeing you at Town Hall coming up at the end of this month.
	Yes.
	October 30th on a Sunday.
	But what I wanted to say is actually to all the listeners of America First.
	We have to stop being complicit.
	And it has to do with the right side and the left side and everything in between.
	We have to fight for these babies.
	And here, unfortunately, in the state of California, Proposition 1 needs to be defeated.
	Just like the pastor, Pastor John McCarthy, that Brett just spoke to you about, out to your listeners.
	It's so freaking true.
	The pastors need to get off their butts and be with us at these Planned Parenthoods.
	Yes.
	And the rabbis.
	You know, during when Nazi Germany was doing what they were doing, and telling the churches to shut down and all that, and they just went with it.
	We cannot go with it, what's going on right now.
	Too many things are like the beginnings of World War II.
	Too many things are getting within our society.
	Stop it!
	We need to look up at God, forget the right, forget the left, and we need to pray and defeat Proposition 1 in California.
	And think of those Planned Parenthood clinics.
	When you pass by them, with your phone, say a prayer, because we need them.
	Thank you, Dr. G. I've never heard you so angry with so much fire in your belly, Antoinette.
	I don't want to cry, but I'm fighting, and I'm supporting my country, our babies, our world.
	It's falling apart, Dr. G. Think of this.
	Out of every thousand black babies in the womb, 400 are murdered.
	And that's by an organization that funds the Democrat Party.
	That's by Planned Parenthood.
	We have slavery as a Democrat invention here in America.
	And now we have the genocide, the genocide of the unborn.
	And disproportionately, one certain race of unborn babies.
	I want to thank you yet again, Antoinette, for everything you do in California, for all of your fellow warriors, the voice for the voiceless, and additionally what you did outside that FBI building in Orange last week to send a message that we've had enough with police tactics, your silent demonstration, Thank you.
	We need more Antoinettes.
	We need people who are prepared to put their face and their name to their values.
	Because that's how America was created, and that's how America will be saved.
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	What was that outro music you just used?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The theme from Tango and Cash?
	Tango and cash.
	Tango and cash.
	Okay.
	All good for Bannon tonight, Seb?
	For Bannon?
	Yeah, it's Thursday.
	Oh, it is?
	Yeah.
	Are they confirmed?
	Yeah, 5.15.
	Says he wants to cover the Hunter Biden stuff.
	Good.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, this week flew by.
	Oh, yeah.
	Crazy.
	5.10.
	Three minutes.
	Want to come in with anything?
	I don't think so.
	I never heard Antoinette so angry.
	She was on a roll.
	That was pretty much all the regulars there, by the way.
	We had Don, Brent, Antoinette, Victor.
	We're just missing Judy.
	Uh-huh.
	She'll call in now.
	She'll hear us.
	We got a few more regulars too, like Matt in North Carolina is kind of becoming a regular.
	Don't forget, don't forget, from Livermore.
	Oh yeah, right.
	Phil from Philly.
	Phil from Philly!
	I love Phil from Philly.
	Judy was actually on the line already.
	What?
	Yeah.
	What happened?
	She dropped off?
	She must have hung up, yeah.
	She'll call back.
	Julie, Julie, Judy.
	Alright, so what have we not... Oh, can you play me cut 12?
	Seriously, Clarence Thomas shouldn't even be on the bench, let alone ruling on cases directly involving the guy his wife teamed up with to orchestrate an attempted coup.
	For one thing, I seriously doubt they never talked about it.
	Can you imagine any married person saying with a straight face, oh no, I've never heard any of my spouse's insane opinions?
	Thomas involving himself in this ruling is even more ludicrous given that his wife Ginny just testified to the January 6th committee last week.
	During that testimony she actually stood by her belief that the 2020 election was stolen and then Trump praised her for it at a rally over the weekend.
	Incredible.
	There's Judy!
	Oh boy, one minute.
	Alright, come in with the first, the guy talking about trying to commit suicide.
	Yep.
	Cut to it.
	In 2015, I tried to commit suicide.
	I tried to take my own life.
	I took a bunch of pills and tried to drive off a cliff.
	By 2023, we will have more deaths by suicide than we will post 9-11 combat.
	Babe is referring to a report out just this summer that estimates that since 9-11, we've lost more active duty personnel and veterans to suicide than those actually killed in combat.
	So just the figures are shocking.
	30,000 by 7,000.
	7,000 killed in action after 9-11.
	30,000 killed at their own hand as suicides.
	That's our veterans back here in America.
	22 a day.
	In America?
	Sorry?
	That's wrong.
	How can we stop it?
	30,000 killed at their own hand as suicides.
	That's our veterans back here in America.
	22 a day.
	In America?
	Sorry?
	That's wrong.
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	How can we make that number less?
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	All right, we said it and she did it.
	She's always listening.
	All the regulars are on the line.
	Let's start with Brooklyn and Judy.
	Hey, hello Dr. Gorka.
	Hey, have you got something to tell me?
	Yes, I just heard Antoinette, and I have to point something out.
	The difference between other places, other countries, and our country is that we have Second Amendment rights to carry on to protect ourselves.
	The government has to be afraid of us, not we, of the government.
	And other countries gave up their guns, and then that's it, finished, the government took over, they do what they wanted with them.
	And you know something?
	No, no, no, I get to talk now, Judy.
	Yes?
	This is a point that very few people have the balls to make, excuse my French, but you're from Australia, so you won't mind.
	The government should be afraid of us, Judy, and that's really important.
	We shouldn't be afraid of our government, they should be afraid of us.
	Yes, and you know something, Dr. Gorka, that's the whole point.
	I heard some lady, she was in Austria, And she came here at the age of 87, made a whole speech, and she said basically that, she said, why didn't Hitler attack Switzerland?
	Do you know why?
	Because everyone in Switzerland has a gun.
	They're all in the army.
	So he didn't go into Switzerland for that.
	Not because it's neutral.
	Because the people had guns.
	Because every male, every male has to have training in a fully automatic weapon, in marksmanship, has to have a rifle at home, and until recently had to have a lot of ammunition as well, and they were all trained in territorial defense.
	And I would not want to go up against a Swiss sniper in the mountains of Switzerland.
	You nailed it, Judy.
	Perfectly put.
	Let's go from one friend of America first to another who understands of what he speaks.
	He's talking to us from the tall grass.
	He's from California.
	He's somewhere in Livermore.
	Ray, welcome to America First!
	Thanks for having me, Dr. G. It's been a while!
	Well, you know what?
	It's hard to get through the show.
	You're getting to be like Rush Limbaugh or the Mark Levin Show.
	If you don't get in in the first hour, you're just not getting in.
	I mean, the door is jammed up.
	You're not going to get in.
	All right, we'll have to have a secret bat signal, a secret line for our loyal early supporters and listeners.
	I love it.
	What brings you to our landing craft today?
	Well, I like to have fun here on the show, but sometimes you have to be serious.
	Yeah.
	I brought it to you, talking about the prophets, as did Antoinette and the pastors.
	The prophets are rarely sent to tell people what a great job they're doing, okay?
	If you read the Bible, when a prophet arrives, it doesn't mean good news, folks, okay?
	You're not getting a grade A report when a prophet is sent, right, Ray?
	No backslap good job.
	No, you're not getting that.
	In fact, I'm in a study of the prophets right now, and I would point our listeners to Isaiah 3, and it's a beautiful telling of where we're at right now, about the taking away of the whole stay of bread and the whole stay of water, about the mighty man and the man of valor being taken away.
	About the Captain of 50 and the Honorable Man all being taken away from us.
	Look at our generals right now.
	Our mighty men.
	Our men of war.
	They're hardly that.
	They're nothing.
	They're pimples on the backside of a... Well, I can't go there.
	But the Captain of 50, the Honorable Man, the Counselor, the Cunning Artificer.
	Well, we do have one Cunning Artificer, sir.
	We have you here.
	But that said, all of these things are being taken away.
	As the prophet said, this was a prophecy to Jerusalem, to Judah, during the divided kingdom era.
	But these things were written down, as Paul told us, so we could learn from them, so we wouldn't make these mistakes.
	And I think we're there, Dr. G. We really...
	As you said, you've got to do something.
	As Dennis said, if you're not going to be a fighter, you've got to help the fighter.
	Yeah, it's this classic line from Dennis.
	You've got to be one of three people.
	You've got to be a fighter, those who support the fighter.
	Otherwise, you're somebody who does nothing and you're just a bystander.
	Dennis has renewed in me my desire to go back to the Old Testament and so have you, Ray.
	Thank you so much.
	Let's stay in California.
	Let's go to line one.
	Dan, welcome to America First.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	This is Dan.
	Yes.
	Southern California.
	Yes.
	I just wanted to piggyback on to Antoinette's thing about the unborn, and I'm not sure if you're aware of him or not, but his name is Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills.
	He's a fighter for the unborn.
	He runs what's called Real Impact out of that church, which is a political arm, which is ran by Gina Gleason.
	And they are funding the No on Prop 1 here in California and they are fighters.
	Alright, I think the name is familiar to me, but we will check it out.
	Stay on the line and we'll have Jeff take the details from you.
	I'd like to know a little bit more about that.
	We've got two more years of this insanity.
	The reports from D.C.
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	It's just a C segment.
	Can you play cut four again?
	C segment.
	Can you play cut four again?
	Cut four.
	What the governor's done is pretty remarkable.
	So far.
	I mean, this is what he's done.
	In terms of, you know, it's, you know, first of all, the biggest thing the governor's done and so many others have done, they've recognized there's a thing called global warming.
	The world is changing.
	It's changing.
	It's incredible.
	Incredible.
	Any others?
	No, I think I've seen them all.
	Alright.
	Does anybody know what Cut 8 is about?
	I mean, play it again.
	Oh, yeah, play 8 again.
	Well, we have brought you more than your share of attacks on the subway, but this one will stand out.
	Six women dressed in neon green jumpsuits let loose on two women on a subway train and then robbed them.
	It happened in West 42nd Street, Broadway on Sunday.
	Commuters tried to avoid the fire while others recorded it.
	Some of the attackers wore masks that covered their entire face.
	The NYPD says it's now searching for the attackers.
	Does anybody understand that?
	It's like a comic book or something.
	It's just New York at this point, man.
	Like, the New York subways especially.
	But why would you wear... I mean, that would be pretty easy to get caught when you're trying to leave the subway.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's assuming they want to catch you.
	I'm gonna, before I go to calls or at some point, I'm gonna play Cut10.
	He'll play Cut10 at some point before calls.
	Alright.
	Let's test it again, see if it works now, because it was bad before.
	President Biden said recently the pandemic is over.
	It doesn't feel over.
	For instance, Jim, we got a shot of this.
	This audience right here, everybody here is still in their masks right here, just for an abundance of safety.
	Yeah.
	So as you can see, every night I come out here, it doesn't feel over to me.
	When will it feel over?
	You know, it'll feel over in the real sense when it gets to such a low level in society that it doesn't disrupt the social order the way it is here, requiring people to wear masks, all kinds of things like that.
	Incredible.
	It's also a matter of how much it's enforced.
	I mean, I went to a play at the Kennedy Center recently, and initially all the ushers are wearing masks and say, oh, you must wear your mask, you must wear your mask.
	And then once we get into the theater, most people just took their masks off.
	What did you go and see?
	It was a musical.
	What is that?
	I love musicals!
	That's not a musical.
	It's not a musical.
	I think it was made before he was born.
	know how to be in this right i'm not a huge fan of musicals but i love musicals the greatest musical of all time of course is the blues brothers that's not a musical oh what do you mean it's not a musical it's not a musical jeff oh hang on he's on the phone i'm pretty sure jeff would back me up on this one i know he doesn't like i think it was made before he was born it doesn't count 1980 i don't know Ah.
	Best.
	It's the most American musical ever.
	I'll tell you what, it's a good album.
	I had that album as a college kid.
	It was good.
	So good.
	Those car chase scenes, man.
	Come on.
	What?
	I think it's the biggest pile up in a movie.
	In history, yeah.
	They had what?
	How many cars?
	Was it like 120 or something?
	At least, yeah.
	Nuts.
	It was worth every single one of them.
	Alright, I'm doing JCN.
	JCN.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Did you see that hour-long interview we did by the author of Woke, Inc.?
	What's his name, Eric?
	Do you remember the name of the author?
	Vivekananda Swami.
	Oh yes, Vivek Ramaswamy.
	What a smart guy.
	Very successful entrepreneur, venture capitalist, who is pushing back on the wokeness.
	And it's not just one man's fight, it's all of ours.
	Why?
	Because the big corporations, they've gone woke.
	How does a medium, small-sized business push back?
	How do they stay independent of the left-wing politics?
	They don't have millions and millions of dollars for lobbyists in DC.
	They've got the Job Creators Network.
	They stand up for the lifeblood of America.
	Remember, 60 million people work for small businesses in America.
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	And they're pushing back on the woke insanity and their advocates for those companies.
	Find out more at the Job Creators Network.
	We need to support those that keep America's arteries pumping.
	That's jobcreatorsnetwork.com, jobcreatorsnetwork.com.
	The insanity continues in the media.
	When I saw this clip, When I heard about it, I didn't want to believe it.
	But here is Fauci.
	Why is Fauci still around?
	Why hasn't he just gone off into the sunset?
	He's on that insane person, Stephen Colbert's show.
	And they show the audience.
	I don't know if this is staged or not.
	I know Mr. G's got an opinion.
	Every one of the hundreds of people in the audience is wearing a mask.
	Play cut.
	President Biden said recently the pandemic is over.
	It doesn't feel over.
	For instance, Jim, we got a shot of this.
	This audience right here, everybody here is still in their masks right here, just for an abundance of safety.
	Yeah.
	So as you can see, every night I come out here, it doesn't feel over to me.
	When will it feel over?
	You know it'll feel over in the real sense when it gets to such a low level in society that it doesn't disrupt the social order the way it is here requiring people to wear masks all kinds of things like it's a cult it's a cult he shows the audience everyone is wearing a mask hundreds and hundreds of people and they they cheer it's a cult And my question is, maybe Eric can help me out here.
	If everybody in the audience have to wear a mask, why isn't Fauci and why isn't Colbert wearing a mask?
	I mean, isn't it pretty clear that, you know, those mask rules don't apply to famous people?
	I thought that was established at the Met Gala with AOC.
	Right, because the COVID knows who's famous, right?
	Oh yeah, it has its preferences, its favorite celebrities all over the place.
	Got it, thank you.
	I'm so glad I asked.
	All right, let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to Jim in Cleveland, line 3.
	Welcome, Jim.
	Yes, Dr. Gorka.
	I think we should be looking at the shots that they give these soldiers.
	Okay?
	There's a lot of haggleys and a lot of squaling in them.
	They came back from World War II, they've seen horrific things, and they got married and had four, five, six, seven, eight, eleven kids.
	These kids coming back off the battlefield, they don't know where they're at.
	My oldest son committed suicide.
	He went to South Korea.
	And I think they should look at that.
	They get shot in the left arm with a great big gun.
	They get shot in the right arm with a great big gun.
	They get shot in the buttocks with a great big gun.
	They're forced to run four miles.
	I don't understand what your point is, Jim.
	What are you talking about, Jim?
	They should be looking at the shots that they give the soldiers.
	What do you mean, the shots they give?
	What are you talking about?
	The vaccines or the bullets?
	I don't understand what you're talking about, Jim.
	The shots!
	The vaccines!
	They give them too much, too fast, too soon.
	You lost me.
	The whole vaccine question is an issue in general, but I'm not sure how it applies to the military.
	The problem is people are being kicked out of the military, Jim, because they're not taking vaccines.
	Line One, Anthony, welcome.
	You're up.
	Hey, Doc.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Hey, this is Colin, and just in regards to the upcoming midterm elections here, I've been hearing from just a lot of friends and family, people are constantly complaining and pissing and moaning about, you know, we want to leave Illinois or wherever, just so we can go somewhere more red, you know, Texas or wherever it may be.
	But the problem I'm having is with all these people flocking to purely red states, who's left to hold the line here in these blue states?
	Yeah, no, no, I completely understand.
	No, I completely understand.
	No, look, it's tough.
	It's tough.
	When you look at what's happening in Chicago, record numbers of shootings every weekend.
	And then, you know, you have the mayor making TikTok dance videos.
	If you want to protect your children, it's a tough choice.
	But at the end of the day, You've got to choose your battles, but if you can fight, if you can stay, that's the American spirit.
	I fully understand and, you know, I can sympathize with you, Anthony.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's give Anthony a signed copy of The War for America's Soul.
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	Dr. G is in the house on America First.
	Sam Gorka!
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, let's play that cut from the president.
	So much fun.
	He was at the AFPIA leadership conference and he was talking about the Mar-a-Lago raid.
	Cut five.
	Play cut.
	You probably read and heard about the document hoax.
	Has anyone heard about the document hoax helicopters flying over Mar-a-Lago?
	Well, they've given us about $5 billion worth of free publicity, I will say.
	People say, that's a nice house.
	If it weren't so nice, they probably wouldn't be doing it.
	Because, you know, it gets ratings.
	When they look, they say, that's a beautiful place.
	It's called the Streisand effect, and he's right.
	He got a lot of free publicity.
	A friend of the president's who is in dire straits right now.
	Why?
	The FBI ambushed him at that drive-thru is the great Mike Lindell, and they took his phone from him.
	Why?
	Because he's a conservative and a friend of the president.
	Let's have his back.
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	829-8468.
	That's 800-829-8468.
	He does it every single week.
	Another breaking story.
	And he uses amazing classified systems like Google Earth.
	We are delighted to have back with us on America First, Darren Beatty.
	Darren, welcome back.
	Great to be back.
	Thanks for having me, Seb.
	All right, so let's put this latest article up on the screen here.
	There's this super secret thing called Google Earth, and you decided to be, I don't know, like a journalist and actually look for some facts.
	Tell us what you found with regards to the infamous January 6th pipe bomb hoax.
	Very glad to do so.
	And just for perspective and context for your listeners who may not know, This investigative piece is coming off the heels of the last piece, which showed definitively that the FBI is deliberately withholding critical footage of the pipe bomber actually planting the bomb.
	Now I'm still shocked that the Democrats... Hang on, hang on.
	Let's stop there for a second because we don't have time for everybody to read the last article.
	But there are so many cameras that should have revealed everything we need to know.
	But there's one camera specifically that would have shown the front of this bench and where it was, you know, the bomb, quote unquote, was placed.
	But that footage is missing, right Darren?
	Yeah they they withhold we know they have two camera angles they've shown us footage from each camera but the critical moment where the pipe bomber is actually placing the bomb down for whatever reason they show us the bad camera angle when we know that they have both the question is why so that's from a previous piece and I'm just saying I'm kind of surprised.
	You would think that this alleged MAGA pipe bomber terrorist who planted explosives in front of the national headquarters of the Democrats, you'd think the Democrats would be a little bit more interested in knowing the identity of this person.
	But seriously, they have zero interest in doing so.
	And so we pursued our investigation still further using Google Earth.
	Now, I know we have limited time, so I'll just give the highlights, but the Google Earth, first of all, can give people an on-the-ground sense of just how open and conspicuous this pipe bomb was and how close it was to the DNC building.
	Now, it's conspicuous location is important because we're supposed to believe that the pipe bomber planted this bomb the evening before and this bomb was just sitting there out in the open undetected by people sitting on the bench the next morning who are, you know, working at the DNC, sitting at the bench maybe having coffee, people walking by.
	We show the Google Earth images that There's a security station just feet away from where the bomb was planted where a security guard is posted.
	So that security guard didn't see it throughout the entire morning.
	And most critically and most damningly, we show that the bomb was just feet away from a parking garage and two exits and entrances to the DNC building.
	That's critical because we have the Secret Service on record saying that they swept all exits, all entrances, and the parking garage.
	So, motorists, pedestrians, the DNC security guard, and the United States Secret Service all managed to miss this pipe bomb that was allegedly sitting there for 17 hours.
	And instead of anyone finding the DNC pipe bomb, instead, the RNC pipe bomb is found.
	It's much Better hidden, it was in a back alley somewhere by a trash can and some random pedestrian quote-unquote finds it at 12 40 with 40 with 20 minutes next on the dial to convey the precise impression that it's set to go off at 1 p.m.
	and this person just randomly found it at the exact minute that they needed to find it to give that impression.
	Yeah, no, as somebody who lives and works in DC and who's, you know, worked in the White House, you can't leave an unmarked trash bag anywhere close to a sensitive site.
	You leave a carry bag, you know, a white store Plastic bag within feet of the White House, the DNC, the RNC.
	And the idea, not for an hour, for 19 hours it sits there as the Secret Service comes through, as the bomb-sniffing canines.
	It's absolutely absurd.
	And I think the most important point, and I want everybody to put the article up again, Everybody needs to read Darren's article.
	He's at Darren JBD on Twitter.
	Google Earth walkthrough further exposes FBI's January 6th pipe bomb hoax.
	The most stunning part of all of this is what you said at the beginning, Darren.
	If the DNC believed that this was a real bomb threat against them, they'd be desperate to find out who did it, wouldn't they?
	One would think.
	I mean it's very bizarre that they're quiet about it and frankly it's bizarre that the media hid the fact that Kamala Harris was in the DNC building the whole time because think of the mileage they could have gotten from January 6th coverage saying
	Our vice president, our minority vice president could have been killed by the bomber and yet they chose to forego those beautiful headlines that they could have milked for a year and instead they covered up the story for a year.
	Alright, I gotta ask you, we've got like 20 seconds left, literally.
	What's the end state?
	As somebody who's done the most work on this story, do you think we will ever get to know or ever see that footage?
	Well, we have some big pieces in the works that I hope will force their hand on the issue.
	I'm not letting go of this.
	The pipe bomb and RAFs are the two smoking gun issues of January 6.
	Those are the big errors that the regime made.
	The only chance the regime has right now is that we forget about it and move on to something else.
	So my job, our job, is to not forget about it, to keep focused, to keep this in the news, and to let the scumbags in the regime know that we're not letting this go.
	We're not letting them get away with this blood libel against those who were there on January 6th, against everyone in the country who supports Donald Trump.
	He's indefatigable.
	He's a pitbull.
	Follow him.
	He's the founder of Revolver News, Darren J. Beattie.
	Thank you, Darren.
	And I can't wait for the next couple of stories coming from Revolver.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	The J6 pipe bomb, pipe bomb in quotes, colon, what is the DNC hiding?
	Uh-huh.
	What is the DNC hiding?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	seconds.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	No, I got too caught.
	What, Eric?
	I was going to say, we never played the cut about Clarence Thomas and his wife.
	Oh, yeah.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Callers.
	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	Watched a fascinating documentary.
	It's the 60th anniversary of the James Bond movies.
	Watched a fascinating documentary on the music of Bond last night.
	Man, it took me back.
	What an amazing, amazing franchise.
	Breaking news!
	Steve Bannon has just sent me this.
	I'll be on his show later tonight.
	This is from AP News.
	Elon Musk's lawyers say that Twitter is refusing his $44 billion bid for the company.
	I guess it was back on the rails for 24 hours and now it has been scuppered.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Dave in Pittsburgh, line 2.
	Good afternoon, Dr. Gorky.
	It's always a pleasure to talk with you.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	We've got to get two more calls in.
	Carry on.
	All right, real quick.
	Comment.
	Pennsylvania is by no means safe.
	This election is not secure.
	Never forget that it's the state attorney generals and the swampy people here in Pennsylvania.
	They count more votes than there are registered voters.
	They have local municipal government officials fishing two bundles of ballots out of a stream bed.
	All of this going on and we have no standing.
	I guess what that means is there's no proof.
	There is nothing that we can do because they claim even if all of the Accusations of voter fraud turn out to be true.
	The number wasn't high enough to change the election.
	This is the big outrage that in Pennsylvania, even the Constitution of Pennsylvania is very clear about how the election should be run and that it has nothing to do with the governor of the state secretary.
	It's up to you guys to make sure to keep their feet to the fire.
	Let's stay in Pennsylvania.
	Dan, line five.
	Yeah, hello?
	Yes.
	Yeah, anyway, I just wanted to say the church leaders, Pope and any church, whatever, based on the Bible, Ezekiel chapter 3, verse 18 through 21, basically tells Ezekiel himself that if he does not tell the people that are doing wrong that they are doing wrong, then he will get the same punishment What do you mean the same punishment?
	People that are killing the babies that no one ever said a word prior to the presidential election, a fact that the Democrats pay for abortions worldwide.
	These people, these church leaders will get the same penalty that the people who killed the babies are getting.
	So you got that going for you.
	What do you mean the same punishment?
	You mean eternally?
	The same punishment.
	God tells the prophet Ezekiel.
	I know, I know.
	But you mean the same eternal punishment, yes?
	Absolutely.
	Bingo, of course.
	If you are complicit in an evil act, and all abortions are inherently evil, guess what?
	You're guilty as well, and you will answer to your Creator.
	Thank you, Dan.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics. - Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	This is not grandma out walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	This is organized crime.
	In no way, in no time, is that legal.
	This is organized crime.
	Do you have video evidence?
	Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
	What you're about to see is disturbing.
	So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
	It's just sickening to me.
	Now we come to the most important question of all.
	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
	It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
	They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
	That's provable.
	And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
	Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
	We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
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	I do like it when we turn our in-depth interviews into more than just a geopolitical discussion, an analysis of the big stories of the day, and into something a little bit more like battlefield reporting.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First with one of our regulars, Mr. National Security and Foreign Policy for the Conservative Mothership.
	It is, of course, the Heritage Foundation, heritage.org.
	And Colonel Jim Carrafano, Dr. Carrafano, is freshly back from Ukraine, and he has so much to share with us.
	Don't you, Jim?
	So this is weird.
	You know, I was in the army for 25 years.
	I was never deployed to a combat zone once.
	And in the last two months, I've been in two combat zones.
	You were too busy playing with those nuclear weapons back here, right?
	I guess.
	So I had another group of experts.
	Working actually with a Polish think tank.
	So we went to Ukraine.
	You fly to the border.
	The Polish border?
	The Polish border.
	Take a train.
	It's a 10-hour train ride to Kiev.
	So you and Boris Johnson?
	Secret train ride?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Everybody takes a secret train ride.
	It's a private train.
	It runs at night.
	The security is ridiculous.
	Everybody... We each had our own, like, SEAL Team 6 guy.
	I mean, it wasn't SEAL Team 6, but...
	They look like something out of the movie and everywhere we had like this arsenal and like I was just like I've pitied anybody that would come after us.
	But these were supplied by the Ukrainian government?
	These were actually supplied by the Polish government.
	Wow.
	So we went to Bucha, which is the high watermark of the Russian incursion towards the capital, which is stunning how close.
	Where there was basically genocide.
	Right.
	So the town, horrible, terrible.
	I mean, one is how close they actually got to this, the Capitol.
	The other is, is the destruction was just terrible.
	I mean, including obviously blowing up things that are not military targets in any way shape or form.
	We'll show some photographs in a moment.
	And then, of course, this is a scene of one of the mass burial sites.
	And tragically, on the day we left, they found an even bigger mass burial site.
	People bound, shot, tortured.
	They found families bound together in the latest.
	Hundreds of people thrown into a hole in the ground.
	And no matter what you take away from this, no matter what side you're on, if you're a neocon or a restrainer or whatever, and you want, you know, nobody can think that Putin is a global player.
	And the notion that you would just sit back on your hands and just let him run wild.
	Being the murderer and soulless, godless killer that he is, and think that someday that wouldn't come after you.
	That's just nuts.
	Alright, we'll talk about the geopolitical conclusions that have to be drawn, but just give us a quick summary.
	What else did you do in Ukraine?
	So we met with a lot of Polish officials, both on the government side and the military side.
	Because Poland's helping Ukraine so much.
	Exactly.
	Same thing in Ukraine.
	We met with officials, we met with the intelligence people, military people.
	We had a long meeting with President Zelensky, which was really interesting.
	And we saw the city, we saw people on the ground, and we got a real feel for where Ukrainians are.
	And you know, the last time, look, I'll be honest with you, I cried.
	And the reason why I cried is I was standing in, you know, one of those big, beautiful cathedrals with the, you know, the onion domes.
	Oh, the Orthodox.
	And the last time I was there was 2017.
	And then, you know, it was in the shadow of the Euromaidan, you know, the hope for a future of Ukraine.
	There were girls dancing in the street.
	They were filming some kind of video, little ballet girls and everything.
	Back then?
	Yeah.
	And when the war started, I thought, I will never see Kiev again.
	And so there I am standing in the same spot.
	And people were walking around, you know, nobody's wearing a flag, going back to business.
	And I saw the resilience and how this country has changed.
	You know, a lot of people talk about corruption and everything else.
	You know, the reality is, unlike a lot of post-Soviet states, the Ukrainians never really had a chance to move forward because the Russians were always behind the scene preventing that.
	And so they were technically free, but they were always kind of mired in the past.
	And it was really, arguably, even with the election of Zelensky, that they said, look, we're done with this.
	So can I just jump in there for a second?
	So one of my mentors, who was from the same British Army-- British Territorial Army unit that I came from, who ended up being the Central and Eastern European advisor to four NATO Secretary Generals.
	So when I want to know what's going on in Eastern Europe, I call up Chris and I say, Chris, give me the data dump.
	He said to me something that stunned me about three years ago.
	He said, what happened in Crimea and what's happening now, of course, Isn't something that happened overnight.
	The Russians have been invading themselves, undermining, subverting Ukrainian independence, even with agents inside the MOD for over a decade.
	So the idea that this is something that is a spur of the moment, oh, they're applying to EU, now Vlad's angry, is such garbage.
	But this is a different Ukraine.
	I mean, these are people who have woken up and saw that everything they've...
	fought for everything, all their future could vanish and they could be stuck back in the Soviet past.
	And they don't want that.
	So, you know, a huge chunk of this country is ethnically Russian.
	There's nobody in Ukraine is Russian.
	There are just Ukrainians in Russia.
	There are people that want a future and they want it to look a lot more like us than like them.
	And that's what I saw.
	It's not Afghanistan where we'll pay people to fight and then, you know, the other guys pay the dollar a day Taliban and then, you know, we'll fight.
	Anybody will fight anybody.
	These are people like, you give us a gun, we're going to take that gun, we're going to go to the front, and we're going to die trying to save our country.
	A friend of mine who co-hosts a great podcast in the UK, Trigonometry, Konstantin Kisin, is an ethnic Russian Jew who lived in Ukraine, and his Russian relatives, he went to visit them recently, his Russian relatives in Ukraine, they say, no, we're fighting the Russians.
	Absolutely.
	I'm sorry, you can't just go into Buka and mow everybody down and think we're on your side.
	Right.
	Yeah, it's, you know, even today they're talking about threatening used nuclear weapons.
	We're gonna just, hang on.
	Who's they're gonna kill?
	They're gonna kill the people that they're liberating.
	Right.
	We'll talk about the whole nuclear, you know, some conservatives are saying, yes, World War III is happening.
	Not quite, guys.
	Just hold your horses.
	But what I want to know is, given that you traveled, you're literally freshly back from that war zone.
	In addition to what you saw, the emotional experience of being back there in the nation you thought you'd never see again, What is the state of morale of the average Ukrainians?
	Did you get to talk to average, on-the-street Ukrainians?
	What's the fighting spirit like?
	You know, and especially in the capital, which is not currently under siege or anything, and we had some air raids when we were there, and we all ran into the bomb shelters, we get that.
	But the people are incredibly resilient, and they're like, we're going, we're going to go back, we're going to show the Russians, if I don't have a gun and I'm going to the front, I'm going to show the Russians, I'm going to go back to work.
	And we're going to drive on, and we're going to open our businesses, and we're going to do business.
	We're not going to-- So they're incredibly, I believe, brave and resilient people.
	And we should accept that.
	Whether you want to support them, don't want to support them, do not pretend that these people are not the American rebels in 1777 fighting for the future of the country.
	That's what I've been saying since the get-go.
	It is, it's exactly who they are.
	It's their 1776.
	It is.
	Anything surprised you?
	Anything that you weren't expecting?
	Well, we were not expecting to meet the President of Ukraine.
	Oh, really?
	Come on, it's Jim Carapana from Heritage!
	So, we had a very, you know, obviously it was off the record.
	I'll tell you a funny story, which was, it was off the record, so we chased all the cameras out of the room.
	And then when we were done, everybody said, well, we want a picture.
	And then there were no cameramen to take a picture.
	So Zelensky took out his iPhone, and he said, here, use my phone.
	And so they took a picture of the group with the president's phone.
	But it was a very serious conversation.
	And it was private, so I won't go into that.
	But generally, the point that I was there to make was, look, first of all, the military aid, there was no question That the military is going to the Ukrainian military, and that the Ukrainian military is using it to fight Russians.
	Period.
	Now, the civilian aid, the reconstruction, all that, concerns about that, I share all those concerns.
	And, you know, two things.
	One is, it's very important to maintain the support of the American people for two things.
	And one is, look, don't do the Vogue covers anymore.
	Yeah.
	We had this discussion last week.
	You don't need to convince the left to support you, Zelensky.
	And the other thing is, talk about the corruption.
	You were elected to fight corruption.
	You know they're just throwing at this money and giving money to the oligarchs.
	Talk about how you share the concern of the American taxpayer that you want every dollar of the American taxpayer to be earned and to make a better Ukraine that's a better partner for America.
	I thought that message was well received.
	We've got a whole slew of photographs.
	We're going to go through them in a moment and you'll walk us through what each of them means.
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	All right, so let's walk through this.
	I remember when my dad used to get out the slide projector at home, and then his Super 8 projector as well, his Fujichrome Super 8 projector.
	Let's go through the photographs one by one, Eric, and then tell us if there's something you want to add to each of them.
	So obviously a bombed out apartment block, Ukrainian flag.
	That's Bucha.
	Oh, that's Bucha.
	Wow.
	And again, you're devastating a civilian community that there are no military targets.
	This is what is the real meaning of Putin's special military operation.
	What I didn't show is, I've got other pictures of, they built some temporary shelters for people to come back to the city.
	And so the people who come back are like, Teachers and administrators and that kind of stuff.
	Because you can't really rebuild the city yet, and there's no economic life, but they want their city to live.
	So they're coming back to have the infrastructure to do that.
	They're living in the, and they're nice, like a trailer home thing, but they're living in the equivalent of a dorm room.
	Yeah.
	And they're doing that because they want to go home.
	Right.
	Let's roll through the photographs.
	We'll get Jim's commentary through the photographs.
	So we're walking through, is this still Bucha?
	Yeah, so sunflowers are the symbol, and everywhere they're painting sunflowers.
	Symbol of what?
	I don't know if it's Ukraine or Kiev.
	The colors, the yellow from the flag makes sense.
	Sunflowers are kind of their symbol of rebirth.
	My mother's favorite flower.
	And what's this?
	So these are just they piled up all the destroyed cars in one place.
	Painted with sunflowers.
	And now people, artists have gone and painted the sunflowers.
	So they're trying to show that they're back.
	But the other thing is, the previous one, that was a community center.
	It wasn't a military target.
	Wow, that was bombed.
	A community center that was bombed.
	And they destroyed that building just out of spite.
	Keep going, Eric.
	All right.
	So Morabucha bombed out apartment buildings.
	Keep going.
	Billions of dollars to rebuild.
	And this is very important.
	Getting money to the people so they can actually rebuild.
	This is really, really, really what's important.
	Alright, so where are you now?
	These are some tanks behind you.
	This is the spot.
	as close as the Russians got to the capital.
	And so those vehicles-- because remember, the battle was months ago now, so they're rusting there.
	But they just left them where they died.
	And when you see these things mad, nobody walked away from them.
	Right, nobody walked out of that husk of a Russian tank.
	And think about it.
	At the time, there was nothing to fight them.
	This is amazing.
	So this is outside an orthodox building.
	That looks like an SP-1 self-propelled Soviet artillery, a tank next to it.
	And these are just parked there?
	They're towed there.
	As a sign of victory?
	So you appreciate this.
	In the days of old, right?
	When you had a victory, you would take the enemy's cannon, right?
	And you would pile them in the city square as a symbol of victory.
	One of my favorite, one of my proudest photographs from my time in the reserves was after my second MOS training in the Intelligence Corps.
	I was in Ashford Kent, which used to be the home of the Intelligence Corps in the UK, and the graduating photograph was taken in front of a captured Iraqi SP-1 artillery vehicle.
	This is the middle finger to Vladimir Putin every time a Ukrainian walks through the square.
	I think that'll be there for a few years to come.
	Keep going, Eric.
	Another bombed out vehicle.
	That's a Lexus.
	I can get it for you for a really good price.
	That's a fixer-upper.
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	So call me if you're interested.
	Some more bombed out vehicles just piled up at the side of the road.
	Keep going.
	Just so people don't forget.
	This is beautiful.
	Where is this?
	This is the capital.
	This is Kiev.
	This is today.
	So can we just jump in here because I'm just fed up.
	With conservatives who, you know, they'll post a photograph of Zelensky and Boris or, you know, somebody walking through Kiev, kids walking through Kiev saying, oh yeah, war zone.
	It's like, sorry, was America, was everybody wearing flak jackets for four years during World War II?
	What kind of asinine comment is that?
	Does everybody have to be hiding underground to be in a war zone?
	Well, I mean, what you see again is the bravery of these people.
	Remember, they lost 50% of their GDP, vanished overnight.
	Wow.
	There are millions of displaced people, some outside the country, many of them inside the country.
	And when Ukrainians go to a nightclub, or which, by the way, there's a curfew, so it's not like you're out to three o'clock in the morning, right?
	When they go to a nightclub or they go out to dinner or they go to work in the morning, That's another middle finger.
	But the point I want to make here is people walking through downtown Kiev during the day without ceramic plated body armor doesn't mean children aren't being slaughtered in bucha.
	And it also doesn't mean that five minutes from now they could be sitting in a building and a missile could land on them.
	Let's have a bit of sophistication.
	So when I got there, the first thing they did was they handed me a helmet and a flak vest and a gas mask, which I never took out.
	I said, dude, if you think I'm going to walk around this city in a flak vest and a helmet, well, some babushka is walking around with a bandana around her head.
	If you think I'm going to crimp my head, dude, I'm not going to do that.
	Give me a break.
	More photographs from Jim's role from Ukraine.
	Oh, last photograph.
	Here we go.
	Wearing his Irish hoodie in a sweatshirt with President Zelensky.
	Dude, come on.
	You've got heritage.
	What has happened to the standards of heritage?
	You know, we were there for a week and I was literally out of clean clothes.
	And the last day they said, well, we're going to meet with the president.
	And that was like the last clean shirt I had.
	You didn't have a green khaki t-shirt like the president so you could slip on for your artillery days?
	Yeah, so there I am.
	And is this taken with the president's iPhone?
	Is this the famous photograph?
	Yeah, this is a picture taken with the president's iPhone.
	And those are all kind of experts from the United States and Europe and Great Britain.
	Alright, I want to be on the next trip, dude.
	Alright?
	I'll be your bodyguard.
	That was worth it.
	I'll be your bodyguard.
	You know what?
	It was worth it.
	I'm really glad I went.
	All right, let's bring things back home for a second.
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	All right, Jim, I guess we're in good business right now.
	You and me, national security wonks, we've got a lot to talk about.
	However, I kind of, I've had it with people who have no, and I'm not doing the credentialing garbage here.
	It's like, If you have never served or haven't studied national security for a month, let alone decades like you have or I have, I don't want to hear about you telling me how there's going to be war imminent in Europe using nuclear weapons.
	Can we just tamp down the rhetoric and talk about some sane commentary?
	Sure.
	All right?
	So I was in the Army for 25 years.
	I was in the artillery.
	And so for a good chunk of my career, the US artillery had all the ground-launched tactical nuclear weapons that the US had.
	So I spent a good chunk of my career In the nuclear weapons business.
	I've seen the nuclear mortar.
	Right, well, we didn't have those.
	I'm not quite that old.
	That was not a good idea.
	It was a Davy Crockett.
	Not a good idea, Davy Crockett.
	That was in the 1950s.
	I'm not quite that old.
	So that meant training, assembling.
	So you know about nukes.
	Yeah, including planning how to use them in combat, right?
	So when I talk about this, I'm not making stuff up, right?
	So let's deal with the bottom line up front, because I had this conversation.
	The bluff!
	I remember that phrase.
	Well, look, I mean, here's the deal.
	We don't know what Putin is going to do.
	And anybody tells you that does, they're just... They're lying.
	Well, they're not lying about Putin.
	But here's, I can tell you...
	The best case scenario and the worst case scenario.
	The best case scenario is he's bluffing, right?
	And if he's bluffing, the worst possible thing we could do is capitulate to what he wants because he's bluffing because that's called nuclear blackmail.
	And if you have successful nuclear blackmail, this is the situation that JFK faced in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	If you have successful nuclear blackmail, dude, that's...
	Not the last time.
	No, that'll be the first.
	That'll be the first time.
	And it won't just be the Russians.
	It'll be the Chinese.
	It'll be the North Koreans.
	It'll be the Iranians.
	And there could be other people that want to get in this business.
	So what's the worst case scenario?
	The worst case scenario is he detonates a nuclear weapon in the Ukraine.
	A tactical.
	A tactical nuclear weapon.
	That's a really bad day for a lot of people.
	But at the end of that, Russia will be worse off than when they started.
	Can we just hold that there and say we judge, nobody knows what he's thinking, but we judge an adversary based upon patterns, okay?
	We look at prior behavior and if we have in here somebody from the DIA like Rebecca Koffler who was the lead Russia analyst for years and says everything he's doing now It's not a surprise if you read his speeches for the last 21 years.
	This isn't a guy who's just making stuff up as he goes along and rolling dice and being random.
	There's a pattern of life.
	So if you look at the pattern of life, is this a guy that does suicidal or very reckless things?
	Well, I mean, here's the situation that he's in.
	I mean, this is an existential moment for him, right?
	For him, defeat is not an option.
	And so he has to have a-- and the strategy is he thinks he can defeat Ukraine, but he can't defeat the West.
	And so he has to-- one of two things have to happen.
	Either they have to stop arming the Ukrainians, or they have to force the Ukrainians to accept some kind of humiliating peace.
	And so he has to crack the will of the West.
	By the way, this was Hitler's strategy in World War II.
	I can't defeat the Americans and the British and the Russians.
	I have to inflict a defeat on the Americans, get the Americans and the British to sue for a separate peace, then I'll focus on the Russians and destroy them.
	So everything he's been doing in the last several weeks have been another form of intimidation to try to find some way to intimidate, scare, you know, us off.
	I want to jump in there with one thought I have that's a little bit of a third scenario.
	Not defeat, not victory, but first I have to remind everybody we need to pay the rent.
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	Right, Jim, so here's the third scenario.
	And I look at not just the patterns of life for Vladimir Putin and his background as a KGB colonel and not a very good one because you don't get posted to East Germany if you're good.
	You get posted to London or Paris or Washington.
	I look at the region, I look at Eastern Europe, and I see A pattern.
	I see many, I see multiple so-called frozen conflicts.
	So there doesn't have to be a decisive, hey we won or you lost.
	He could just play for the, you know, mess with the Ukrainians long enough until it gets into some quasi-status, a stasis of a no-man's land.
	Whether it's Moldova, Transdanistria, South Ossetia.
	That could be another scenario.
	Well, I mean, that's been the strategy all along, is to have these conflicts, so it's literally a button he can push anytime he wants, whether it's in the Balkans, or in Moldova, or in Georgia, or in Ukraine.
	Having said that, he has said he wanted to conquer Ukraine, and that's failing.
	And not only is it failing, he's losing ground.
	And when you get down to the core, the strategic core, which is Crimea, right, the one thing he literally cannot afford to lose, that would be a complete and utter But geographically, it's much easier to hold onto Crimea.
	Yes, it's very, very difficult for the Ukrainians to take that.
	So the question is, yeah, he can fight another day, right?
	And you would say, well, the sensible guy would do that.
	But I have to be honest with you, I don't know if he's being sensible or not, right?
	My issue is that the Russians have a reputation for being a meat grinder.
	The Ukrainians can't be a meat grinder.
	They can be the feisty little, you know, insurgent that fights for decades like in the Baltic States after 1940, 1941.
	But the Russians have the propensity for doing what?
	Throwing cannon fodder at a problem for as long as they want.
	Can he get away with doing that for 10 years like in Afghanistan?
	Not at this scale, right?
	And that's the thing is, I mean, he can come back and fight another day.
	But he's going to have to take, if he wants to come back and be a serious military threat, he's going to have to take a pause of months if not years to reconstitute a force that can do that.
	So, what's the ultimate scare tactic?
	And it's to actually detonate a nuclear weapon.
	But then his narrative, as you said earlier, his narrative of liberating Ukraine from the Nazis when half of Ukraine is radioactive.
	The narrative kind of collapses, Jim, doesn't it?
	I don't think anybody really believes it anyway.
	But he has to sell it.
	No matter what a weapon is, whether it is a hand grenade or a nuclear weapon, if you want to use it on a battlefield to have an effect, right, which is to gain an objective, you have to have what's called fire and maneuver.
	You fire something and then that provides an opportunity to maneuver to an objective because you've killed or suppressed it, right?
	He can't do that.
	First of all, he's on the defensive.
	He doesn't have what to maneuver.
	He's falling back, right?
	When you detonate a nuclear weapon, it's a big obstacle.
	It knocks out radios and everything else.
	It makes roads impassable.
	So it's actually more difficult to maneuver.
	And you have to have troops that are trained to do that.
	Let's be honest.
	It's more than likely half the Russian army would run away.
	I don't know if I've ever told you this story, but you would appreciate this story.
	In Hungary in 1956, when the revolution failed, the head of the Hungarian General Staff, including a whole bunch of other people, they were fleeing the country trying to get to Austria, and they were being pursued by a column of Russian tanks.
	And while they were being pursued, for whatever reason, I don't know how it happened, a grain silo blew up.
	And if you're from Kansas, grain is actually quite combustible and it's a big boom.
	Well, you can make a mushroom cloud with a conventional explosion.
	Yeah, it's a smoke ring.
	That's right.
	As a matter of fact, in the military, we used to have these nuclear simulators and all it was was a big barrel full of fertilizer and you would detonate it and it made a little tiny mushroom cloud, right?
	Can you imagine the kind of fun this guy had in the military detonating fake mushroom clouds?
	What fun!
	So the grain silo blew up and it made a little mushroom cloud and the Russian column thought the Americans were firing nuclear weapons at them and they all ran away.
	And that's how the defense minister escaped.
	I didn't even know that.
	I'm the Hungarian one.
	He's teaching me stuff.
	I'm going to have to look that up.
	So that's a problem.
	And like I said, the radiation, people say, oh, my God, Europe will be flooded with radiation, which simply isn't true.
	Not with a tactical unit.
	With a tactical unit, it's going to be something like a Chernobyl or a Fukushima.
	You might get some radiation spread, but that produces a problem which we call low-dose radiation exposure.
	And honestly, there is no good science on the long-term health risks of that.
	Certainly there are not any short-term health risks.
	So the reality is, if some radiation spreads over into Poland or something like that, it's not going to be a cause for a nuclear war.
	In the meantime, let's ask the trenchant question.
	Should we be doing in the beginning?
	I wrote a piece where I said, you know, the big three things are providing Equipment that they know how to use.
	That's why the mig-29 offer would have been so perfect Don't give them stuff.
	They have no background in using give them the Soviet stuff That's in new NATO nations like Hungary like Poland like the Baltic States secondly ammunition Because you know the amount of ammunition the Russians are expending has to be matched and thirdly target packs So, you know intelligence based target packs to really bleed the Russians If this lasts for another six months, another year, what is the good advice that we should be taking?
	We had lots of conversations about that.
	Were their demands, I'm curious, don't talk about the details, were their demands realistic?
	Oh yeah, and that was what was really interesting.
	I want this, right?
	But it's more important to hear, well, why do you want that?
	And so, you know, when we say going to a frozen conflict, we're heading into winter.
	It's actually getting very cold and very quickly in Ukraine.
	I don't know if you saw the story where the Russians lost 1.2 million winter uniforms.
	No!
	Which ended up in North Korea.
	Honestly, I think they went on eBay.
	Because if you go on eBay, you can buy a Russian winter uniform.
	Do you know what the name of that uniform is?
	No.
	The Gorka.
	I actually called the Gorda.
	Of course I did.
	So all those 300,000 guys that are sending to Ukraine, they're not going to have any winter clothing.
	But the point is, it's very difficult to do military operations in the winter.
	So the first thing that Ukrainians ask for is air and missile defense systems.
	And the reason for that is, when you've lost half your GDP, you want people to come back and go back to work to revive the economy.
	And if you want people—look, people have to go—it's like Israel.
	The reason why Israel is such a state is you have Iron Dome.
	So, okay, we may have a bad day tomorrow, but we'll protect most people.
	So that makes a lot of sense.
	The second thing they ask for is long-range artillery and missile systems.
	And the reason for that is the one thing the Russians still do have an enormous advantage of is firepower, right?
	Long-range firepower.
	And you want to take that off the table.
	Yes.
	And the third thing is armored vehicles, so tanks and mechanized vehicles, because you need that to take back and hold terrain.
	Has anybody got the testicular fortitude to sell them that amongst our friends?
	Yeah.
	Or partners.
	Well, so part of it, and then after that, you know, just ammunition, the kind of things you mentioned.
	So this is where there's some interesting things going on.
	So for example, one of the people that could really help out is the Israelis, right?
	Because they have a lot in the air defense and missile space, that's good.
	But when it comes to vehicles, who's got the balls to do that?
	Off the record, not for attribution?
	The South Koreans are going to sell them to the Poles, and the Poles are going to give them to the Ukrainians.
	Nice.
	Love it.
	All right.
	That's why we bring him in here, because he has all the information you need.
	He is, of course, Jim Carrafano, Vice President, Heritage Foundation.
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	Let's embroider, let's extemporize, let's expand on a topic of our lunch recently with a dinner with the Polish delegation that you're kind enough to invite my muse and myself to.
	There's this feeling, and I don't know if this is just rose-tinted spectacles we're looking through, that the wake-up call with the invasion of Ukraine, its impact on NATO has meant that the locus of Seriousness, the locus of leadership, at least under the current administration here in America, is shifting eastwardly.
	It's shifting to those nations that understand threats like Russia.
	So Hungary, Poland, the Baltic states.
	Do you agree that the centre of gravity of the alliance may be shifting away from Berlin and Paris and London to the east?
	And if so, what does it mean for the future of NATO?
	Yes, I do.
	And I think it's actually more broader than that.
	I think I mentioned this the other day.
	So the week after I was in Ukraine, I was in Estonia, right?
	And it was a big conference of European conservative groups.
	European conservative groups from all over Europe.
	And European conservatives are like American conservatives.
	And, hey, they're a diverse and price delight.
	If anybody's ever been to CPAC, right?
	So you've got all kinds of people there, right?
	And you have libertarians and, you know, isolation.
	Everybody is.
	So what's very interesting is here's this massive collection of the diversity of European viewpoints.
	And what were the things they had in common?
	Really, really interesting to show you how Europe, not just Central Europe, but Europe is changing.
	Woke.
	Everybody's done with Woke.
	They're like, we see what's going on in America with this stuff about marriage and gender.
	And, like, dude, we want none of that stuff.
	Climate.
	Like, we are going to freeze this winter, and it's because of this stupid Yahoo climate policy.
	We are done with that.
	So stop fracking.
	We are done being the guys who say, oh yeah, we like climate change.
	Sure, you know, everybody likes climate change.
	So that was interesting.
	And to me, the really surprising one was peace through strength.
	So here, even groups who are traditionally libertarian and other things saying, we have to be able to defend ourselves.
	Wow, the Libertarians?
	Russia, China, these are problems.
	And if we don't protect ourselves, then we are done.
	I thought that was unbelievably interesting.
	So yeah, there is... But does that mean the leadership... You know, we talk about this as if we're not, right?
	I mean, we both worked with Donald Trump.
	I worked on the transition team.
	You were in the White House.
	But he was so perceptive and right.
	He looked at Central Europe and he goes, this is the future of Europe.
	These are people who believe in free market economies, who believe in traditional family values, who understand the value of hard work, who want to defend themselves, who believe in their own national sovereignty.
	This is the real future of Europe.
	He was so right.
	Yeah.
	Well, Jim, I want to thank you.
	Thank you, my friend.
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