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	Thank you.
	I'd stack that up.
	I'd stack that up against Donald Trump.
	Any day of the week, where Trump is so void, so vacant when it comes to policies, when it comes to understanding even the basics of domestic policy, or foreign policy, our constitutional norms, or our history.
	That's a former congressman.
	Quite stunning, really.
	He goes by the name of Joe Scarborough.
	He had an intern die in his office.
	Strange.
	I wonder what the true story about that is.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First on the Salem News Channel.
	Welcome to our show.
	Where to begin?
	Oh my gosh.
	Such a long list of topics.
	Let's just mention perhaps some of the biggest ones that we're going to tackle today.
	What's his name?
	Kevin O'Leary, right?
	Mr. Wonderful.
	We have an evergreen audio clip of him saying, we need a correction in the market, and there's going to be one.
	There's going to be something like the Lehman Brothers collapse, and we have reporting that we may have the likely candidate.
	It could be One of the really big ones.
	Credit Suisse could be the international bank that will collapse, that will bring that correction.
	We'll talk about that.
	We'll talk about Gruesome Newsome.
	It's not enough that he is turning the state of California into an abortion mill on the California taxpayer's dime.
	He's now signed a bill to make California a sanctuary state For minor gender surgery.
	I don't mean small scale.
	I mean for the physical abuse.
	of children for their mutilation to pretend that they're no longer girls or boys by removing their genitalia and packing them full of the hormones of the opposite sex and chemically castrating them.
	That's what he thinks America and California should be about.
	We have the, it's not a big story, but it's kind of disgusting.
	Wait till you hear the Sidebar elements of the settlement.
	between Alex Baldwin after he killed his director of photography on the set of the movie Rust, what here the lady's widower receives.
	It really is rather distasteful.
	And then, perhaps the biggest story of all that nobody's talking about in the mainstream media, there is a data company called Conex.
	You may want to write this name down, because I guarantee you...
	This story will get bigger and bigger.
	It is spelt K-O-N-N-E-C-H.
	Their CEO is Eugene Yu.
	That is Y-U.
	And he was arrested yesterday in Lansing, Michigan.
	I'll just read the headline from the Postmillennial.
	CEO of U.S.
	election software firm ConEtch, Arrested for storing data on servers in China.
	Yes.
	Election data.
	Your election data.
	Was taken from America based upon a contract this company had and moved to Communist China illegally.
	Now, I have some information from people who have been on this show.
	I won't mention them at this moment in time.
	I think if you're a loyal listener and viewer, you will know who exactly I'm talking about.
	That this individual, beyond Zuckerberg's, what is it, 432 million dollars that he pumped into the 2020 election to privatize it, outside of the Zuckerbuck's perversion of the election, this is the bigger story that they don't want you to know.
	It's not about the other things you've heard about Venezuelan data farms and Italian data farms.
	This is the documented contracts That this data company had to manage election data from 2020 and how that data went to China.
	We'll give you all the updates as well.
	But the most significant story that is in the mainstream media, at least the conservative mainstream media, is that long, long sit-down interview.
	The second time, I believe, or maybe the third time that Tucker Carlson has sat down with Tony Bobulinski, Air Force veteran, who was Hunter Biden's business partner.
	And we have several cuts.
	Well, let's talk about election rigging.
	This is Tony Bobulinski talking about the 2020 election and the Hunter Biden laptop story.
	Cut four, play cut.
	Three states, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona.
	The difference between President Trump and Joe Biden was 43,000 votes.
	If half of those people, 21,500, had voted for President Trump instead of Biden, President Trump would still be in the White House.
	Now, I'm not arguing for that or supporting that.
	That is fact, based on What was recorded in actual votes.
	So that election was decided by 21,500 votes in the backdrop of a story that is the most suppressed story in the history of a US presidential election.
	So if we now know that that story was suppressed by a federal agency, the FBI, our biggest law enforcement agency, then how did the FBI not affect the election outcome?
	It sounds like the election was I'll just say it, rigged in part by the FBI.
	It was.
	It was.
	So you can call it rigged, you can call it stolen, you can call it suppressed.
	The American people can call it whatever they want, but the fact pattern is the FBI alone altered history in that election.
	Wow.
	Congratulations to Tucker Carlson for getting away on Fox of all places using the phrase rigged election.
	The FBI rigged the election.
	And what was it?
	What kinds of things, stories was it that were suppressed?
	By the mainstream media and by Facebook and by Twitter.
	Well, here's Tony Bobulinski again with just one tiny, tiny little detail from his business dealings with China and the Hunter Biden family.
	Cut five.
	Play cut.
	How much did Hunter expect to make from his business dealings with the Chinese?
	So, not only Hunter, I wasn't interested.
	They had to work on me for years to sort of come off the bench and get involved here.
	In the spring of 2017, I expected CFC was going to deploy billions of dollars through Sinohawk, and I was focused on taking those billions of dollars and making a return on it.
	Um, and I expected to make hundreds of millions of dollars.
	I think the Biden's probably thought they were going to make billions of dollars.
	How much do you think Hunter in the end got from this, from diverting this money?
	Do you think he received the money?
	So he definitely received the money.
	I mean, the bank statements have been made public.
	You know, he received over $5 million and then I think an incremental $1 million in a legal consulting fee to represent Patrick Ho, which is a story in itself.
	I expected to make hundreds of millions of dollars with the Hunter Biden China deals.
	You're a lovely chap, Tony, as well.
	Is Mr. Xi there?
	I am.
	You had an interesting comment about why this interview is happening right now.
	What do you say about the latest Bobulinski interview?
	Well, it looks like he obviously knew that he was involved with the Biden crime family at the time and everything, so he's not the best guy.
	But it's the midterms coming up.
	It looks like maybe if the Republicans are going to be investigating, he's trying to get ahead of this.
	He had nothing to do with this is what he's trying to put out there.
	I'm just curious.
	And God, you know, God bless him for coming out.
	And congratulations to Tucker for getting that interview on Fox.
	Mr. G, what kind of guy gets into bed to the tunes of tens and hundreds of millions of dollars with the Biden family?
	What kind of guy?
	The type of people that walk around the swamp every day here?
	Yeah, bingo.
	You nailed it.
	Thank you, Mr. G. He is our sanity check.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Right, shall we do the ins and outs?
	Yes.
	Stay with us for more from the battlefield in Ukraine from our buddy Jim Carufano.
	We'll be back one-on-one with the Heritage Foundation's Jim Carufano after these messages.
	Stay with us for more from Jim Carufano after this break.
	You're listening to America First one-on-one with me Sebastian Gawker and our good buddy Jim Carufano.
	He's freshly back from the battlefield that is Ukraine.
	We're talking one-on-one with Jim Carufano.
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	Okay.
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	Alright, we've been trying to get him on the show for, I don't know, weeks and weeks but he's a busy chap.
	Why?
	Because he's the co-founder of that amazing website TheFederalist.com.
	Sean Davis, welcome back to America First.
	Good to be back.
	Thank you for having me.
	All right.
	Well, so much to discuss.
	I rattled off a list of topics in my monologue.
	First things first, let's just comment on this one tweet, if you would.
	It's only had 371,000 likes in the last couple of hours.
	It's from Elon Musk.
	I'm sure he's busy watching his rockets fly into outer space.
	But here's the tweet that, Sean.
	Buying Twitter is an accelerant to creating X, the everything app.
	Now, the Twitter deal seems to be back on at the original price of 44 billion, and I'm all for cleaning it up and making it a free speech platform, but as a conservative who believes in competition and free markets, the X app that does everything, where do you stand on the whole Musk Twitter story?
	I'll tell you, I would much prefer if we had a country where speech was protected everywhere, where we actually had a free market, where we didn't have a bunch of left-wing oligarchs using, effectively, governments that they've created to stifle us.
	That would be my desire.
	We don't have that.
	Instead, we live in this completely bizarre I think it's great.
	I think it's a great era where the oligarchs control everything.
	And I guess it's just a battle of the oligarchs.
	I'm glad we have at least one on our side.
	Who's with us on a big issue on free speech.
	So I'm all for him taking over Twitter, mainly because of the gigantic temper tantrums that everyone on the left is having at the thought that there might be one company and one platform out there they don't control.
	So I think it's great.
	I'm encouraged that he is apparently back on the Twitter train, but I'm also under no illusion about where we are in the country right now that we're having to rely on a particular oligarch to give us the ability to say what we want in public about elections and other things that are important.
	Right my buddy the editor-in-chief of Breitbart said he gave me a cold shower he says look at his deals in China and also don't put your faith in one billionaire to save us and I think that's sage advice but the other metric is he has pissed off all the right people in the last three months and that is a delight to see Have you been following, Sean, the last 72 hours I've been seeing on my feed?
	I haven't looked at my, you know, back office numbers, but I see dozens and dozens of leading conservatives saying they've lost 5, 10, 20,000 followers on Twitter.
	Do you think there's a scramble?
	Are the shredders in the burn bags working overnight at Twitter headquarters in Palo Alto?
	Yeah, I'm super curious about that, because I've seen the same stuff, you know, people dropping followers by the thousands and tens of thousands.
	And I can see a couple of things.
	It could be that the little lefty, uh, wokesters at Twitter are just going running all their bots through the shredder ahead of Elon Musk taking things over.
	It could also be, um, the people who run these bot farms, perhaps, you know, maybe they're even affiliated or Part of the US government thinking, uh-oh, we got to get rid of the evidence that we've been running bot propaganda campaigns on Twitter before this new guy takes over and figures out what we've been doing.
	I can kind of go either way, but the thing that amuses me is having watched the bot swarm go after Elon Musk when he dared to suggest, you know, maybe what we should be pushing for in Russia and Ukraine is an end.
	negotiated into this war as opposed to just open in this forever war and the blot the Ukraine boss just came after him and part of me wonders if he ended up pulling the trigger on this Twitter deal which he had been trying to nix as a result of the whole world sending their boss after him Interesting.
	So when he posted that survey a couple of days ago saying maybe the people of these republics should have a referenda to decide their future and the pro-war, I guess, you know, sounding boards went after him.
	You think that could have pushed him over the edge?
	I wonder, because this is a guy who saw what Twitter was doing after putting his offer on the table, saw the games they were playing, and then said, I'm out, and was willing to go to court and go on trial to get out of this deal.
	And then out of nowhere, like out of nowhere, he turned on a dime and said, yep, I'm buying the company.
	You'll have to forgive me for thinking that final bot attack on him might have had something to do with that calculus.
	It's interesting because I think there has to be something for the Vault to Fast for the 180.
	Why?
	Because he was very clear, what, two months ago, that you've got 20, 30, 40 percent that are bots.
	No way I'm buying it unless I get a peek behind a kimono.
	They didn't do that.
	They went to court, both sides, and then he had a sudden change of heart.
	We shall see.
	That is a very interesting observation and that's exactly why we like having Sean on the show.
	You've got to follow him right now on Twitter.
	SeanMDav is the account.
	The Federalist is TheFederalist.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Sean, I presume you've seen the Miguel Cardona clip.
	What?
	I did, but I'm blanking.
	Remind me.
	Yeah, why high schoolers and college campuses have to have abortions?
	Just play cut 10.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	Play cut 10.
	I share your grave concerns about maintaining access to contraception and reproductive health services on our college campuses.
	And ensuring there's accurate, reliable information for students and for educators.
	Students need access to healthcare to thrive in school and in life.
	And that includes reproductive healthcare.
	Alright, I'm going to play that and then I'm going to, first I'm going to play a little clip from Kimmel and then I'm going to explain the Kimmel clip with that clip from Cardona.
	Alright, Sean?
	Sounds good.
	Yeah, I'll tee them up.
	And then I'm going to come in my pillow.
	Is Francesco Skype or phone? - Okay, good.
	I think I do.
	All right.
	Let's have a look.
	Francesco.
	Yeah, I do.
	You want me to text him?
	What do you want me to text him?
	Oh, okay.
	So you were doing via email? - Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I've texted him.
	All right.
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	I think we're going to have to have some extra cigars with Paul tonight.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I told him, dude, you may be in a wheelchair, but you can still smoke a cigar.
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	Cigars and guns.
	That's good.
	I'm going to ask you, Sean, if you watch late night comedy shows.
	That's how I'm going to open, alright?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do you ever make it to D.C., Sean?
	I don't know.
	I try to avoid it as much as humanly possible.
	I know, I know, but do you ever have a reason to come here?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	Alright, if you do, would you give me or Jeff a heads up?
	We'd love to have you.
	In studio for a longer chat.
	Absolutely.
	Good.
	Yeah, yeah, totally.
	Because I, you know, you're a disembodied voice right now.
	Coming through the ether. The ether.
	The ether. The ether. The ether. The ether. The ether. The ether. The ether.
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	We are back with none other than Sean M. Dav.
	That is his nom de plume, his nom de guerre on Twitter.
	He is the co-founder of The Federalist, Sean.
	Sean Davis, do you watch late night comedy shows?
	I do not watch late night anything.
	I'm old and lame and boring, and I go to bed early.
	Oh, you're my wife.
	You're like my wife.
	She says, 9 o'clock, it's bedtime.
	I'm up till 2 a.m.
	I don't watch late night comedy, by the way, because there isn't any anymore, except I may be Greg Gutfelds.
	However, let me explain why there isn't, and I need to dissect this absolutely horrendous clip from this guy Kimmel about the latest attack dog.
	I haven't told any stories.
	I'm just saying don't lie.
	Don't lie on my mom.
	Don't lie on me.
	Don't lie on the lives you've destroyed and act like you're some moral family man.
	Y'all should care about that.
	Conservatives.
	Wow, that's... Herschel's like, oops, I should have aborted that one too.
	Should have aborted that son, too.
	What is with that beard, Kimmel?
	You look like a hobo.
	Now, where do we get to a place, how do we get to a place, Sean, where a putative comedy show jokes about aborting your other son?
	I have a theory, and tell me if this gels with you.
	This is the Secretary of Education for the Biden administration, Miguel Cardona, talking about students who need abortions.
	Cut 10.
	I share your grave concerns about maintaining access to contraception and reproductive health services on our college campuses, and ensuring there's accurate, reliable information for students and for educators.
	Students need access to health care to thrive in school and in life, and that includes reproductive health care.
	Aren't these two things connected?
	You've got a cabinet member talking about abortions for students in college as healthcare and then you've got Kimmel joking about a politician having his son aborted.
	Yeah, it's kind of horrifying and it just proves once again to me that the The most holy sacrament in the secular religion that is liberalism, wokeism in America right now, is abortion.
	They will do anything, they will say anything to preserve their sacrament of abortion.
	And it's been fascinating to me to watch this whole Hershel Walker thing, this thing come up at the last second, no real evidence, you know, classic damn October move.
	If they actually believed that Herschel Walker was out there left and right killing babies, they would have made him their nominee and not Raphael Warnock.
	They're such disingenuous, corrupt little liars.
	He has a way with words.
	That's a great way of putting it.
	Sean, gotta ask you, given that we are just a month plus away from it, is this really what it's boiled down to for the left?
	That the midterms are going to be about baby killing?
	Is this the best they got?
	Well, I mean, look at the environment right now.
	The economy sucks.
	Gas is unaffordable.
	Inflation is crazy.
	The stock market is crashing.
	The housing market is about to fall off a cliff.
	I guess when you look at that, they're like, man, things are really bad right now.
	I guess all we have to talk about is killing babies.
	I mean, it's kind of all they have.
	It's the thing they care about most.
	Everything else they've done has just made things worse.
	So I think they just kind of sat back and said to hell with it.
	We're just going to make this about baby killing this year.
	Incredible.
	Unbelievable.
	He says he's going to come to The Swamp sometime soon.
	He avoids it as much as possible, which is completely understandable.
	And we're going to have him in studio for a longer chat.
	In the meantime, make sure you bookmark TheFederalist.com.
	He's not just the co-founder, it says right here on Twitter.
	He's the CEO as well.
	Please follow our friend Sean Davis, Sean M. Dabb.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Okay, mics on. mics on.
	Title for that one?
	Uh, so we covered so many things.
	I think the Herschel Walker thing is probably the...
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Herschel Walker, Jimmy Kimmel, and the Death Cult.
	Mm-hmm.
	Do you want to send me his number because he didn't respond to me?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
	Did he respond to you?
	Uh, no.
	Maybe he's having a time zone issue.
	I'll open the phones.
	Okay.
	What did I say his thing is called?
	Uh, PolicySonar, let me double- PolicySonar, yeah.
	Yes, PolicySonar, PolicySonar.com.
	Okay.
	And I'm going to tee up the Maloney Cup.
	Maloney.
	Very good.
	90 seconds.
	1200 viewers.
	Over 1,200.
	Nice!
	Looks like I might be having him on phone instead.
	One minute.
	You want the mics off for him?
	Yes.
	Alright.
	Kill the mics to video, Alex.
	50 seconds. . . .
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	OK, the big kerfuffle, the left is in a tailspin.
	The mainstream media detests her already, which is weird because she's the first prime minister, the first head of Italy since, I don't know, it was founded by those twins Romulus and Remus.
	Why do they hate her?
	Well, let's listen to Georgia Maloney from CPAC.
	Do not fear the truth, my friends.
	As a great conservative author like Gilbert Chesterton wrote, fires will be kindled to testify that two and two makes four.
	Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.
	The time of that battle has come.
	But they will find us ready for the battle.
	Oh, those are the sentiments that have the left quivering.
	They call her a fascist and a neo-fascist, but she just believes in Western civilization.
	Let's find out the truth from a man I have consulted with in the Eternal City when I was in Rome.
	He is the founder, he is the CEO of the political risk company PolicySonar, Francesco Galletti.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hi Sebastian, thank you for hosting me.
	Alright, so a Martian has landed at the offices of PolicySonar, speaks impeccable high Italian, and wants to know who is this new incoming Prime Minister, Giorgia Maloney.
	Would you tell that person from another planet what they need to know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, what we have here is a young political operator from a National Conservative background, who has consecrated her life to politics.
	When she was a kid, she was abandoned by her father, and it wasn't long until she decided that her father would lead the party.
	The party back then was the National Conservative Party of Antartica.
	It's basically replaced her father, so she's been on a mission ever since.
	And, of course, that's very interesting, because this young woman is now going to be his prime minister, and we're all there wondering what she's up to.
	She's probably on an evolutionary path, moving away from, let's say, the more radical right into more institutional outlets.
	And she will have to share power with two very odd-bred fellows, Sigurd Østorne and Matteo Salvini.
	So, in addition to managing the evolution of her own party, she will also have to manage her partners.
	So, with these friends, why do you need enemies?
	Yeah, coalition politics in Italy has been rather colourful since World War II.
	Let's talk about her party, because it's been painted as a neo-fascist party.
	They love to have clips of her, montaged along with Mussolini, who by himself was actually a socialist.
	But what is her political philosophy?
	If you had to use adjectives from the usual taxonomy, how would you label what she stands for?
	She's definitely not a fascist.
	And she has tried very hard to brush away whatever was left of fascism in her party.
	If I had to choose one name to label her party, I would say she's more Scrutonian.
	Oh, Roger Scruton?
	The Roger Scruton type of conservative.
	So classic liberal in the conservative sense.
	Yeah.
	And with bits and bytes of traditionalism, too.
	Yes, that's the type of operator we're looking at.
	Well, Roger Scruton was a political genius and a true conservative who understands, or understood before he passed, of course, why Western civilization is the greatest civilization on God's Earth.
	Yeah, and it all makes sense.
	She's positioned herself in a very consistent way.
	She is not only the head of She also happens to be the head of the ECI, the European Conservatives and Reformists, which is the European Parliamentary Grouping where the Tories belonged before Brexit.
	So it's all very consistent with this Scrutonian categorization that I'm pushing.
	One last question.
	We're talking to Francesco Galletti.
	He's the co-founder and CEO of PolicySonar.com.
	Is this a good time?
	Is Italy excited about this or are we just trying to deal with the pylon, the criticism and the attacks for this incoming Prime Minister?
	What is the mood like in the Eternal City?
	Mixed feelings.
	Mixed feelings.
	There are those who are very happy that we have a clear majority and that we'll soon have a government, but there are others who are not happy at all and that probably would have favoured a different solution.
	And the one in particular who seems to share this lack of views is Italy's head of state, He does have a state is an important figure, and he can wield a very extensive powers.
	And in particular, when we come and comes to the formation of the government.
	And you know, from an orange, very important to attract real talent in our cabinet.
	So she needs to have high caliber individuals.
	If she manages to get high caliber individuals on board, that it means that the government is built to last.
	If she can't, find anyone senior enough, glamorous enough, then it's a totally different outlook.
	And what we see is that Mattarelli, that is head of state, is in standby mode.
	He's not helping.
	He is not reaching out actively.
	So the president is being more of an anchor than being an assistant in the formation of the new government.
	Italy needs a very credible finance minister.
	We have the third largest sovereign debt in the world.
	Melania knows this and she's been very prudent during the campaign.
	I have to say one thing.
	I have to say one thing as we end our conversation.
	She's made all the right enemies and that's a very good metric.
	I look forward to our next afternoon macchiato in Rome.
	Thank you, Francesco Galletti of PolicySonar.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Oh.
	You could hear the indicator stalk.
	Oh, I missed that.
	Um, title.
	The turn signal.
	Yeah, I know what the indicator is, yeah.
	Well, it's a British phrase.
	I remember from the first Mad Max movie.
	It was a joke about that.
	Oh, yeah.
	The truth about Giorgia Meloni.
	And you know how Georgia is spelled, right?
	It's not the way we spell it.
	Right, right, right.
	Okay.
	GIO R GIA GIO R GIA Millennium Already the
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	Uh, do we have the one of, um, the Hobbit from Chicago?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It's 31 seconds long.
	Oh, what about the Mighty Oaks video?
	Did that process?
	I had to get it from a different source, but it's not about suicide though.
	I know it's not, but I'll explain it.
	Yeah.
	Still hasn't processed yet.
	No, it's up there.
	It's up there.
	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	I'm going to Joe Jackson to get you in the mood.
	Where, Eric, where did that hour go?
	It goes, we're all the hours going, we're having fun.
	It goes by far too quickly.
	It goes on to Rumble, right?
	It goes on to the Salem News Channel's website or SebGorka.com.
	We're on all social media, by the way, guys, except the fascists at YouTube.
	So you better be following us, whether it's Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
	We're on Substack now.
	Did you read my article about the Rumble in the Rose Garden?
	I thought that was a very good title, by the way.
	The Rumble in the Rose Garden.
	Check it out.
	SebastianGorka.substack.com.
	SebastianGorka.substack.com.
	I just found this on social media as we were getting ready for the show today.
	How many people were shot?
	I think there was like maybe 18 or 20 or 30 people shot in Chicago the weekend.
	Five of them were murdered.
	So what would the mayor of Chicago do in response?
	If you were the mayor of a city where every weekend between 50 and 80 people are shot and between a dozen and 20 are actually killed, what would you do?
	Would you do this?
	I've had enough.
	That is the Hobbit Mayor of Chicago dancing to different songs.
	Making dance video.
	Well, she's not even dancing.
	It's just like kind of shuffling in a very embarrassing way.
	That's what she's posting on social media.
	This is when I realized I've got all the proof I need.
	Mr. G, when you see something like that, isn't that the proof that these people are just dumb?
	People are dying in your city, and that's what you post on social media?
	Absolutely.
	But when I saw it, I thought she was making fun of Biden the way he gets off the stage, because it's not really dancing.
	Like you said, she's just shuffling to the left, shuffling to the right.
	Yeah, either that or do you remember the footage from the We Don't Wear Masks Under Covid 60th birthday party for Obama?
	Do you remember that?
	Do you remember how he danced in his Mandela shirt?
	Yeah, I do remember that.
	It's that kind of weird sideways shuffle thing that's not a dance either.
	So incredibly embarrassing.
	That's all the proof I need.
	Yes, they're evil.
	Yes, they're bad.
	Yes, they're destroying America.
	But on top of it, they're stupid.
	It's that dangerous concatenation, that deadly witch's brew of arrogance with ignorance.
	There are no big brains in this outfit.
	None of them.
	Even Rice isn't a brain.
	I mean, the way she Try to lie about Benghazi the day after that attack.
	That's not somebody who is actually slick.
	These people are stupid, which doesn't mean they're not dangerous.
	Saddam Hussein was stupid, but he was also dangerous.
	We have a republic to save.
	All right, next we're going to talk to you about Some of the things I mentioned at the top of the show that we haven't had time to get through.
	And we're going to have lots of fun while we do it.
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	Big payout for the family of the director of photography killed by Alec Baldwin on the movie set of Rust.
	You won't believe some of the details of the deal.
	Newsom is turning California into a sanctuary state for who?
	Transgender surgeries for children.
	And lastly, big news out of California on election fraud.
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	Where are those... Oh, where's Eric?
	He's gone somewhere, alright.
	No person, there are no resources and you are told persistently on the news that, you know, care homes are being ring-fenced.
	It's a lie, and I'm sorry, but if you have voted Conservative, you do not deserve to be resuscitated by the NHS.
	One of those podcast interviews...
	what did we say?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	You wanna...
	Oh, no, that's all right.
	Hello?
	Hello!
	Hello!
	How's everybody doing?
	Good, how are you doing?
	Running like crazy today.
	We had our big Meet the Candidates event last night.
	Oh, yes!
	And it was pretty exciting.
	Are you free to guest host Monday, the 24th?
	Monday, the 24th.
	I might be out of town that day, but let me check because I would love to do it.
	But we're coming back from Hawaii, actually.
	So give me two shakes.
	I'll just see if that's the day or not.
	And I will text you as soon as we walk out of here.
	Thank you for asking, though.
	And I'm excited to do your show tomorrow.
	That'll be fun.
	Super fun.
	Can't wait to have you on.
	I'm all loaded up on Prop 1 and all the abortion stuff.
	Good.
	All right, stand by.
	We've got a couple people on.
	Oh, yeah, right.
	You're listening to Dr. Sebastian Gorka, a man who's taken down Eastern European governments with just the sound of his voice.
	Yes.
	Yes, indeed.
	It is true.
	It is true.
	What were you told by one of the listeners, Mr. G?
	Anniversary of something.
	I forget.
	Anniversary of something.
	I think you said the release of Doctor No, right?
	Yes, that's correct.
	Um, allegedly it is the anniversary today of the release of Doctor No.
	Not in America, but in the UK.
	So that's why we're not playing Wonder Woman or Charlie's Angels.
	My apologies, as we should be doing.
	But we're playing Monty Norman's original Bond theme.
	God bless Monty Norman, rest in peace.
	He passed earlier this year.
	But it's time to check in.
	We're going to have her on my show this Sunday on Newsmax because we can't get enough of her!
	She's our West Coast warrior princess.
	Welcome, Jennifer Horne.
	Well, thank you.
	I can't believe it.
	These weeks are just going quicker and quicker and quicker.
	And 34 days until Election Day Saturday.
	Are you ready for it?
	Really?
	34 days?
	Oh my gosh, that is insane.
	And you hosted a very special event last night.
	Tell us about your Meet the Candidates event.
	We did.
	So AM 870 and AM 590, the answer, are stations in Southern California.
	From Salem Radio, hosted a Meet the Candidates event and it was absolutely fantastic.
	Look, sometimes it's hard to live in California because you feel like you're never going to win statewide office.
	But let me tell you, our lineup of statewide candidates, absolutely fantastic.
	This year it's going to be an uphill climb like always, but this is our best whole gaggle of talent.
	Some of the people running for Congress, running for re-election, running for new seats.
	It's just really inspiring.
	And then we also spent some time focusing on our propositions because there are some interesting ones on our ballot in California, including Proposition 1, which is the left's attempt to codify abortion as part of the state constitution, but really It's about legalizing abortions all the way up until the moment of birth, which is pretty disturbing stuff.
	And not only that, one of the stories in today's rundown for the show is the idea that California is to become a sanctuary state, according to the bill signed by Newsom, for transgender surgery on children.
	Why not, you know?
	Again, I ask you the question I ask you always, because you are right there behind enemy lines.
	Is this something that Californians are clamoring from the rooftops for, or is this just the woke crazies?
	This is the destruction or the attempt by the left to destroy the nuclear family and to take away parental rights.
	I mean, this is another one of those crazy bills.
	We talked about how abortion, our sanctuary state for abortion, is allowing kids to come without their parents permission.
	under the age of 18 to California, all expenses paid to get a free abortion and return to their home states.
	What this transgender bill does is exactly the same thing.
	It replicates that.
	You can come to California, you can have gender reassignment surgery, or you can get prescriptions for hormones, whatever you're looking for.
	California taxpayers will pay for it.
	Oh, and by the way, you don't need parental consent.
	Or If you're a parent who's living in a state where this kind of child abuse is illegal, like it should be, and you bring your kid to California, medical professionals in California cannot work with agencies in other states to try to press charges against parents who would make this decision.
	And what's really interesting, and I know that you do a lot of work with ADF, the Alliance Defending Freedom.
	Yes.
	They put out a take on this that I hadn't even thought of.
	So not only is this damaging for all the reasons that we can think of, but they're also saying that there are people from around the globe who are going to come to California that are criminals, that are into sex trafficking, that are into all of this crazy behavior that we probably don't even want to wrap our brains around, and they're going to use California as ground zero To make changes and chop up kids, to make them into the shapes and sizes and genders that they want.
	There's a story, a horrific story from about two years ago, a year and a half ago in the UK, where the left-wing crazies, the Tavistock quote-unquote clinic for example, that was just shut down, celebrated, lauded a single mother who took her nine-year-old or ten-year-old boy from the UK to Thailand to have him castrated and brought him back home.
	I mean, this is what California could become, Jen.
	And that's what the warning is.
	And we already have so many problems with our state, and this has already become a breeding ground for lunacy.
	And now they want to do this one more thing, one more thing, another step further.
	And, you know, I get into the conversation all the time because these news stories are horrific.
	We talk about them, we forget about them.
	But we have to know what the end goal is here.
	So what could this be?
	This is purely evil, what they're talking about doing.
	What's now legal in California, not talking about it, was signed by Gavin Newsom last Friday.
	So what's the end of this?
	Is it the left's push to completely remove parents?
	Is it the push to completely destroy what we think is, and I'm going to use the dreaded word, normal here, and to destroy a nuclear family so that they can push more communism into our lives, more government control?
	I mean, maybe that's it, but they're getting rid of God and they're getting rid of our families and it is really, it's so hard to see and that's why it's more important than ever that if you're hearing my voice and you are in the state of California, do not stay at home.
	We have to go out and we have to vote.
	And you have to help other people vote because ballot harvesting is legal in the state of California.
	The only thing that is going to fix our state is if we get out there and actually do it.
	It's not about running away anymore.
	We have to fight because what happens in California is exactly the testing ground, the petri dish I like to call it, for the rest of the country.
	And if it starts to work in California and there's no pushback, just wait till it comes to your state.
	We have to stop it here.
	She's not just a West Coast warrior princess.
	She knows the correct, the correct pronunciation of petri dish.
	Nicely done.
	Because that is, that is... High school biology.
	Yes, indeed.
	I remember it well, the petri dish.
	Follow her right now at Jennifer Horn on Twitter.
	Host of the Morning Answer AM 870 and AM 590.
	Let's talk about, I always like to find things that fall into your wheelhouse in terms of communications and the things you have studied.
	So there's a statement, a communications act that was released by the widower of Hania Hutchins.
	This is the DP that was killed, yes killed, by Alex Baldwin.
	Sue me.
	Sue me, Alec Baldwin.
	You had the gun, you pulled the trigger, you killed her.
	On the set of Rust.
	Have you read this statement?
	I have not.
	I think I heard it, though.
	It just came out.
	Isn't it hot off the press?
	Yes, it's hot off the press.
	So this is from Newsmax.
	This is from the widower.
	This is the husband.
	We have reached a settlement subject to court approval for our wrongful death case against the producers of Rust, including Alec Baldwin.
	As part of the settlement, our case will be dismissed because they're getting an undisclosed pile of cash.
	Right.
	Filming of Rust will resume in January.
	And this is a thing that kind of just made me vomit a little bit in my mouth.
	And I, this is from the husband Matthew Hutchins, I will now become executive producer of the movie.
	Cha-ching!
	Is this like... I mean, I know it's Holly Weird, and I know it's a bunch of perverts, but doesn't this sicken you that the man who's left a widower wants to get a title on the movie on whose set his wife was killed?
	It's not even just the title, though.
	That means that he's going to get money.
	Money!
	Yeah, a percentage of all the profits.
	I was pretty stunned when I heard this statement, and it of course benefits Alec Baldwin to settle with him for a couple of reasons.
	One, there's a very real possibility that he's going to be charged because the FBI insists that the trigger was pulled on the gun that killed Helena Hutchins.
	And that means that somebody pulled it and Alec Baldwin was the one who was holding the gun.
	There's that question.
	There's also the negligence issue about why live ammo was actually on the set of this film.
	So that's a problem for him legally.
	And to have the husband come out and say, we believe this was a tragic accident, is going to do nothing but help him.
	And then part two is he's not going to have to sit for a deposition because he's able to settle with them out of court.
	They're not going to actually have to use testimony that could have been used in a criminal trial against him.
	And so it's a great day if you're Alec Baldwin.
	What I don't understand, and again, I don't want to be a grief shamer, but if your wife is missing, the mother of your children is now missing from your lives permanently because someone took her because of a mistake or whatever happened on the set of that movie.
	It's really hard not to feel like this statement and all of the money taking isn't just a cheapening of her memory.
	And I don't know, I would have a hard time with this.
	But maybe they feel like she's gone.
	They're not going to bring her back.
	And they want to set up the kid for a financial future.
	But take the money.
	Absolutely.
	Take the money.
	Take the money.
	But you you want your name?
	On the movie?
	That is the reason that your wife was shot?
	It's, I'm sorry, it's just utterly utterly perverse.
	So much more to discuss.
	In the meantime, you've got to follow this lady at Jennifer Horn.
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	Gone.
	I just found that so perverse.
	It's just weird.
	It's so gross.
	Okay, take the money, set up the kids, but seriously?
	But put your name on it.
	Right.
	People are strange.
	Three and a half minutes.
	That is an understatement.
	Yep.
	Now the 24th, that seems awfully close to your birthday.
	Are you doing something fun?
	No, I'm working all day.
	My birthday is Saturday and I'll be filming all weekend, so.
	You gonna invite Alec Baldwin on set with you?
	No.
	No, no.
	Good thing.
	Safety first.
	All right.
	So I want to talk a bit about Bobolinski.
	Is there something that you'd like to share with us on the East Coast?
	On the East Coast?
	Oh!
	A little slow.
	I did talk to Paul Manafort today on the show.
	What?
	Interesting.
	You know, I don't know if you've had him on.
	He's on a move tour.
	No.
	It was a really – this is the second time we've had him on.
	But he has a little – because I asked him about Bobulinski because I said, does it just infuriate you to watch this when you were thrown in jail and the FBI wasn't helping you?
	And so he had an interesting take on that.
	He said he's known all about the Hunter Biden stuff since he was doing politics in Ukraine in 2015 because Hunter was there all the time doing business.
	Oh my gosh.
	Wow.
	So that could be kind of interesting.
	What was he like?
	What was he like as a guest?
	He's good.
	He's definitely good.
	I think it's early.
	So it was like, you know, he's a little slower in his response.
	It's not very high energy, but he's really good and thorough with his answers.
	And he brings you a lot.
	If you want to talk about Russia and Ukraine, because we sort of went in that direction today since we had talked to him a little bit more.
	He's got really good takes on the corruption in Ukraine, because everybody likes to use that as an excuse for not being there on our side of the aisle.
	And he said, yes, there's corruption there, but you also can't let Vladimir Putin win, which is where I think you are.
	And that's where I am as well.
	And so, yeah, he's a good interview.
	He's good.
	And is the book about Russia collusion or what's it about?
	It's called Political Prisoner, so it goes through some of the Trump policy differences with Biden, why he thinks Trump's going to run again in 2024, and then his time in the clink.
	Because they messed with him.
	They put him in solitary.
	He couldn't walk when he came out.
	I mean, they really... One minute.
	Was not rolling out the red carpet.
	All right, I'm gonna play that new Mighty Oaks video.
	It's two minutes long, by the way.
	Two minutes?
	I'll indicate when you can come out of it.
	Okay, minute 54.
	And you'll tee up the video?
	Yeah.
	All righty.
	40 seconds.
	Will you respond to John Katsumatidis?
	Guy, just pick a time.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The antidote to fake news, America first.
	And there's a lot of it out there right now, but we're going to slice and dice it all with our friend on the West Coast, host of the Morning Answer AM 870 and AM 590, our Salem buddy Jennifer Horne, follower at Jennifer Horne.
	But first, I want to share with you just a clip from an incredibly moving video concerning a veteran who we lost far too young.
	And it kind of, it's a kind of gut punch.
	It's a reminder of These are his last words, written 13 days before he passed.
	If you are reading this, things didn't work out the way I planned.
	I'm typing this up because I'm too lazy to write it out by hand, and that way I can change it when I need to.
	Where to start?
	Okay, my life was short, but a great one.
	If I died doing something with the teams, then I died doing the greatest job in working with the most talented, hardworking, and the greatest group of warriors ever to walk this earth.
	I've made more memories and had greater experiences than ten normal people put together.
	Most people get to choose.
	At some point I'm going to play that whole video that's one of the seals that was killed needlessly in the extortion 17 helicopter incident in Afghanistan and it caught me because of the power of those words that note he left his family
	It should remind us that these are the people who stand on the wall for us, that do so much for us and that we owe so much to.
	And that's why I'm so...
	Honored to be associated with the Mighty Oaks Foundation right now.
	This is the organization that has as its goal getting that rate of 22 veterans committing suicide a day down to as close to zero as we can.
	How do they do it?
	They have six ranches across America where veterans who are suffering from traumatic stress can go with their families Get faith-based counseling and slay those dragons they brought home from Afghanistan and Iraq.
	Each person costs $2,500.
	The families don't pay a dime, not for travel, accommodation, or any of it.
	The counseling, none of it.
	You do.
	Because we have their backs.
	If you want to support those veterans, if you want to get that suicide rate down to as close to zero as we can, please donate today as much as you can on my website to the Mighty Oaks Foundation.
	That's SebGawker.com And the banner at the top with Chad Robichar, Force Recon, Marine, who is the founder of Mighty Oaks, click on Restore Our Warriors.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-S-E-B, Gawker.com, and the Restore Our Warriors banner.
	Thank you to every single one of you who is supporting our bets.
	All right, back to the West Coast to a different kind of warrior who's fighting the insanity of California every single day.
	Jennifer, you were telling me in the break you had a very special guest on your show today.
	Who was that?
	We sure did.
	We had Paul Manafort on the program today.
	He's got a new book, Political Prisoner, and I've looked through it.
	It looks really fantastic.
	I've read through a few of the chapters.
	He talks about his time in prison when he wouldn't turn on Donald Trump, and of course the FBI, as we know, does not like that, the Department of Justice.
	Does not like that.
	And so they put him in solitary.
	He came out of jail.
	He was not even able to walk.
	He lost all of his strength.
	This was a big, tall man, as you can remember, Paul Manafort being.
	And he lost a lot of that in all of that time away from his family.
	But he also wrote a lot about his history in Ukraine.
	He wrote about what he thinks of Biden's policies, how they're different than Trump's and about whether or not Trump's going to run in 2024.
	And spoiler alert, He thinks he's going to run and he thinks he's going to win.
	But it was really timely to have him on today because Tucker Carlson has done this interview with Tony Bobulinski, who is the former associate of Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, the brother of Joe Biden, who I like to call Chairman Joe.
	And Joe Biden, of course, himself.
	And he was at the debates between President Trump and Joe Biden.
	A lot of people remember that.
	And he had a lot of evidence to indicate that the Biden family was actually a crime syndicate selling access to Joe Biden.
	Let's listen to some of the tactics of the Biden crime cartel.
	So Tony Bobulinski, partner of Hunter Biden, he's in the FBI headquarters for five hours dishing the dirt on the tens, the hundreds of millions of dollars transacted with China and Ukraine.
	And what happens to him as he's inside the FBI interrogation room?
	Cut three.
	So the last contact I had with the Biden family was actually when I was in my interview with the FBI on October 23rd for that five plus hours.
	On my BlackBerry, Jim Biden called me via WhatsApp.
	And I was there voluntarily, so my phone starts ringing in the middle of this interview.
	So I look down and I'm like, is he really calling me right now?
	I show the phone to my lawyer and he's like, and then I show it to the agents.
	The agents got up out of their chair and left the room.
	They were like, you can take that call if you want.
	And so I answered it and there was nobody on the other side.
	We know where you are, Tony.
	We're going to call you inside the FBI and hang up on you.
	I mean, that's kind of mob tactics, Jen, right?
	It really is.
	And look, people are wondering who the brains of this operation really are.
	And for all of the people who think that Joe Biden is 100 percent debilitated, yes, he's losing it.
	He is frail.
	He is in declining health.
	But it's not Hunter Biden that put this together.
	I would look more to the to the Jim and Joe side of the Biden family.
	And so when I talked to Paul Manafort today, I said, you know, I thought about you as I was watching this interview, because how does this feel?
	When you were literally thrown into a pit in prison and the FBI is helping this Biden family survive everything all of these scandals and the media is covering this up and he said it's just further proof he said he's known it forever as we all do this double tier system of justice one set of rules for one person and another set for another but what I thought was really interesting is he said he spent on to Hunter Biden for a long time because when he was a political agent in Ukraine he was helping with campaigns
	In Ukraine, he said Hunter Biden was over there all the time.
	It was known that Hunter Biden was working with the Ukrainian government.
	You've got to get the drugs and the money back somehow, right?
	Right.
	And so we talked a little bit and it was a really interesting conversation because there are a lot of conservatives who are spun up about what we should be doing with Ukraine and Russia.
	And Paul Manafort said, yes, there's a lot of corruption in Ukraine.
	Our money is probably going to places we don't want it to.
	In Ukraine, but we also have to be there because we cannot allow Vladimir Putin to advance.
	And he believes, like we all do, Seb, that the reason Vladimir Putin went into Ukraine when he did is because of the Biden policies.
	They knew after they saw that withdrawal from Afghanistan and they saw what he was doing with energy, that there was no way that he could miss the opportunity.
	And the reason we're in this situation right now, dumping millions and billions of dollars into Ukraine is because Joe Biden is there and there is nothing.
	Who's going to do about it?
	Who knew that?
	Just a little reminder, in case you forgot, under the Biden, under the Obama regime, it was Biden, the vice president, who was the quote, point man on Ukraine.
	We've been talking to Jennifer Horn.
	Follow her right now at Jennifer Horn on Twitter.
	She's the utility player for CRN Digital Talk and also the host of the Morning Answer AM 870, AM 590.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Your call's next here on 833-33 Gorka.
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	Stay on this channel.
	6752 stay on this channel how long did you have Manafort on we just kept him for a segment because we had had
	I had him on a couple of weeks ago, but he was good.
	You could definitely get a couple of segments out of him.
	It's interesting stuff.
	Yeah, he creeps me out.
	Okay, so I didn't know how I felt about him, but when I had the opportunity, I thought, well, we'll talk to him.
	And he seems very much, you know, he seems like conversations that you and I would have.
	Interesting.
	I can find that.
	Can I find that segment online?
	Yeah, I'll send it to you, actually, because they sent him the clip, so I'll send it to you, and you can see what you think.
	Good.
	Yeah, and I have the information, too, so if you want the guest info, I can send it to Jeff.
	Great.
	And I'm going to let you know about the 24th right now, and I hope you have a good rest of the week.
	Tell me 24th or 25th you choose.
	Oh, the 25th, I think, is it for sure.
	OK.
	All right.
	Let me double check the 24th.
	Just text me.
	OK, good.
	And I will see you tomorrow.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Bye, guys.
	Crime cartel Biden style.
	Crime cartel.
	How do you have time to listen to somebody else's podcast for an hour, Mr. G?
	Is that clip from Biden new?
	I thought that's an old clip.
	That's Florida.
	Okay.
	And why is he talking about the Bidens with a guy in a trailer park in Florida?
	I have no idea.
	He lectured everyone on climate change, too, there.
	He did.
	Yeah.
	Because we never had a hurricane in Florida before.
	That was the Comrex, it was still connected.
	napkin with a flare.
	Close your eye.
	What is that?
	That was the Comrex.
	It was still connected.
	I'd like a filet medium rare.
	90 seconds.
	Feels like just yesterday was the 50th anniversary of James Bond movies.
	Baby, don't you up on a roll?
	She's done another one.
	Is that her?
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Unbelievable.
	One minute.
	it's a C segment C segment
	C segment
	A.
	America First.
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	You know what I heard today on the radio?
	Our buddy Chris Plant.
	I haven't heard it from anybody else.
	He didn't say he came up with it, but I'm gonna give him full credit.
	We've talked about this, the mug that says The FBI is Biden's Gestapo.
	It's the hottest selling item on our website.
	And Chris used the phrase, Fascist Bureau of Investigations.
	Isn't that good?
	What do you think, Eric?
	Isn't that good?
	Fascist Bureau of Investigations.
	That's the FBI.
	They're looking for what?
	White supremacists?
	When, in fact, I think that they are the biggest domestic threat to America.
	All right, at the top of the show, what was that?
	An hour and a half ago, I promised I'm going to talk to you about this big story that the mainstream media will not touch unless they're trying to brush it up for the people concerned.
	Massive news out of California, shockingly out of California, is from the post-millennial Eugene Yu, that's spelled Y-U, the CEO of the software firm Konech.
	has been arrested in connection to the storage of data, election data, on servers in China.
	This is from the L.A.
	Times, a little clip.
	U-51 was arrested early Tuesday just outside of Lansing, Michigan, after prosecutors alleged he improperly stored the information on servers in China, according to L.A.
	County District Attorney George Gascogne.
	By the way, interesting detail, it's not Gascogne's case.
	I have it from very reliable sources.
	His deputy is the one who's been driving this.
	So this is very, very unusual.
	You, who is the chief executive officer of a company named Konech, is expected to be extradited to Los Angeles.
	That's so weird when we have to have an internal extradition.
	In the coming days according to the LA Times.
	Connach allegedly violated its contract by storing critical information on servers in China.
	Information to do with the 2020 election.
	We intend to hold all those responsible for this breach.
	Konech issued a statement in response to the arrest.
	We are continuing to ascertain the details of what we believe to be Mr Yu's wrongful detention.
	Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?
	Because the elections were fine, weren't they?
	The New York Times, the day before he was arrested, ran a path piece claiming that, quote, election deniers have made Conetch the center of their conspiracy theory.
	The Times claimed that any allegations against the company demonstrate how far right election deniers are also giving more attention to more and more secondary companies and groups.
	Yeah?
	So what?
	We're only allowed to talk about one company?
	However, they lamented, the Times lamented, the damage done to the company.
	On Tuesday, 24 hours later, the New York Times had to write, lamentably I'm sure, that you had been arrested.
	And that indeed, just 24 hours later, the election data collected by the company had indeed been stored in China.
	True the vote.
	Love true the vote.
	Catherine Engelbrecht.
	Greg Phillips, amazing.
	If you haven't seen the hour-long interview we did with them, you need to go and check it out.
	Look for it on Rumble.
	True The Vote, an election integrity non-profit, stated that they were able to download the personal information.
	Think of this, this is just one slice of it!
	They were able to access and download 1.8 million poll workers' data from the Connex servers in China.
	Just, you know, two million people, you know, their personal data in Communist China.
	Threw the vote, passed the information to the FBI.
	And the Times had to admit, holding the data in China would violate the company's contract with the County of Los Angeles.
	I think it's probably a little bit bigger, New York Times, than a violation of your contract, because you're taking the data, the confidential election data, From the biggest state of the union, the most populous state of the union, and transmitting it to a communist nation that is avowedly our biggest strategic enemy in the world.
	A little bit more significant than a violation of a business contract, wouldn't you say?
	Wow!
	It's taken almost two years.
	But finally, whether it's Tony Bobulinski, whether it's the great True The Vote, the post-millennial or others, we're getting the truth about what happened with the 2020 election.
	Trouble is, we have to make sure it doesn't happen this year and in 2024.
	That's up to you, dear friends.
	You need to be part of the solution.
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	Amen.
	Thank you.
	Oh yeah, we have the O'Leary cut.
	Good.
	How long is it?
	It is... Let me grab it here.
	That's not it, but it's kind of... That's the one you sent.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll call it cut 13.
	We can play it real quick before you get them on.
	Go ahead.
	Here it is.
	Every day when I see a correction like this, when I see Walmart down 20%, for example, which is a bellwether stock, if I'm an opportunist, I might put on a position.
	But what I'm doing right now is I'm waiting.
	I'm waiting for the big event, as I call it.
	And you get these events, and we talked about it.
	That day will be an interesting day to put 130 or positions on.
	It'll be a day of panic.
	We'll be down somewhere between 2 and 3,000 points.
	And yeah, it's horrible to talk about it, but that actually is very healthy.
	Thank you.
	I have Steve's book, Trumponomics.
	What time is the Spicer hit?
	5.20. 5.20.
	Hello Sebastian!
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	What time is that event?
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	- What are we talking about? - I'm gonna play a clip and then I'm gonna talk about this Credit Suisse story and whether it bodes some kind of international collapse.
	All right?
	Okay.
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	All right. All right.
	All right.
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	Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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	A bad day for the White House.
	I guess this is in Florida where President Biden is.
	Guess who's using the presidential podium?
	Ron DeSantis is standing in front of the podium with the great seal of the President of the United States.
	That's from our buddy Michael Knowles.
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	They call him Mr. Wonderful.
	What is it?
	Kevin O'Leary from Shark Tank.
	He sees an imminent, imminent crash.
	Here's a little, little hint of his expectation.
	Every day when I see a correction like this, when I see Walmart down 20%, for example, which is a bellwether stock, if I'm an opportunist, I might put on a position.
	But what I'm doing right now is I'm waiting.
	I'm waiting for the big event, as I call it.
	And you get these events and we talked about it.
	That day will be an interesting day to put 130 positions on.
	It'll be a day of panic.
	We'll be down somewhere between two and three thousand points.
	And yeah, it's horrible to talk about it, but that actually is very healthy.
	Mr. Wonderful is waiting for the big event.
	Could it be here?
	I am reading from the Daily Wire, Ben Zeisloft.
	The shares for the Credit Suisse Bank fell 12% on Monday.
	Already since the beginning of the year, they've lost 50% of their stock value, despite the fact that they manage assets across the globe.
	Is it the beginning of the Armageddon for the global economy?
	Let's ask the man that we trust.
	He wrote the book Trumponomics.
	He's at Vice President Trump, he's at the Heritage Foundation.
	Steve Moore, welcome back to America First!
	Hi Sebastian, great to be with you.
	And by the way, I will answer your question about Credit Suisse, but I have to say something about the president in Florida today in front of the presidential seal.
	He basically gave a speech about climate change.
	It was one of the most outrageous political speeches I've ever given, trying to justify his hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars he's giving away to the solar and wind industry.
	And when the crisis of the rebuild, you know, is still intact in Florida, I just, I was so infuriated by that that he would choose this moment to be political.
	And not only that, he did something I've never seen my former boss do.
	It's been, Greg Price has already tweeted it out.
	I can't even play it on the air.
	He was talking to somebody outside of a, you know, destroyed, ravaged home.
	And for some reason he said, nobody, and I'm editing it, nobody F's With a Biden.
	And you're like, you're there to help people out and then you're, what, giving a climate change speech and then foul language on a hot mic?
	It's absolutely unconscionable.
	Anyway, we'll cover that later in the show.
	Talk to us about, you know, Mr. Wonderful's prediction.
	Are we on the cusp of a 2008 Redux?
	We might be, Sebastian.
	I mean, this is an incredibly wobbly, fragile, precarious world economy.
	And I got to tell you that what is causing all of these problems around the world, runaway inflation, runaway debt, rising foreclosures and business bankruptcies, is one thing.
	And it's, do you know how much The governments of the world have borrowed since 2020.
	The number is closing on $25 trillion of government debt.
	That is a catastrophe, Sebastian.
	It's a catastrophe.
	And by the way, the United States isn't blameless here.
	We've added many, many $6 trillion to our debt.
	And the chickens do come home to roost when you have massive out-of-control government spending, massive out-of-control government debt, and massive out-of-control money printing.
	So do I think a financial crisis is possible?
	I do.
	And do I think we're facing Armageddon?
	I think we're already in Armageddon.
	When you've got runaway inflation like this, when you've got people who can't pay their bills, when you've got credit card debt through the roof, we're already facing a crisis.
	Now, you talked to somebody, an operator, a shark like Kevin O'Leary, and he actually went on in that interview to talk about how it's a great opportunity for investors when, you know, things come crashing down and you buy it about, you know, fire sale prices.
	What happens to the average American?
	We've seen, you know, 401ks be completely trounced in the last, you know, 10 days in America.
	Is this a corrective that we need?
	And just how painful could it get, Steve?
	Well, again, I just want to point out that it's all attributable to massive government debt.
	It's government socialism on steroids.
	How bad could it get?
	I think we may be in a 1970s cycle.
	In the 1970s, stocks adjusted for inflation lost half their value.
	Think about that.
	So that's the most ferocious bear market we've seen in a century.
	I don't see corrective action being taken by any of these governments.
	I mean, Biden continues to spend.
	He just announced he's going to go forward with that $400 billion absurd student loan bailout, like he's passing out monopoly money.
	You see these governments in Europe that are borrowing.
	They're completely dependent now on Russia for oil and gas.
	I mean, that's crazy.
	The Saudis now say they're going to be cutting back on oil production.
	Yes!
	And therefore, that price of oil is going to head back to $100 a barrel.
	And I have to say this, Sebastian, you worked at the White House.
	I advised this president, you know, we broke the back of OPEC.
	Remember that?
	Yes.
	We broke the back of OPEC because we were the number one producer of oil and gas.
	And now the OPEC has all the power again.
	Incredible.
	All right, Stephen, your advice, please, in addition to reading his book, following him on Twitter, it's Trumponomics.
	Stephen Moore, what is your advice to the average American?
	Is it simply that we have to wait for two years for Trumponomics to be real again?
	What should they be doing in the meantime?
	Well, we certainly have to wait until November.
	In November, when we take that gavel away from Nancy Pelosi, which is going to happen, and hopefully Chuckie Schumer is relegated to minority status, then you get rid of that evil triumvirate of Schumer, Biden, Pelosi.
	Things will get better.
	But yes, the answer to your question is, Sebastian, it will take a new occupant of the White House.
	Yeah.
	And it's going to require, whether it's Donald Trump or it's Ron DeSantis or one of our other great governors, we need a change of leadership.
	And we're right at right now.
	And the only question is, can we wait two years?
	Yeah.
	What level of damage can be done in the next two years?
	God bless you, Stephen.
	I think I'm going to use this phrase from now on, the evil triumvirate.
	You're absolutely right.
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	Yeah, I'm just texting you I'm just texting you right now my email, all right?
	Okay, yeah, that'll be fine.
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	All right.
	Sent.
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	Bye.
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	All righty.
	Title for that one.
	Is the crash imminent?
	Is the crash imminent?
	Crash imminent.
	Hey, you know what we should do, Jeff?
	Well, What?
	That congressman who doesn't like the idea of me being the staff director for the committee.
	We should invite him on the show.
	Comer.
	Yeah, who was it?
	James Comer from Kentucky.
	That's right, yeah.
	You said you were going to roast him that day.
	Let's do it.
	Find out who his comps team is and invite him on.
	That'll be fun.
	We haven't played that Buttigieg cut yet.
	We haven't played the KJP cut.
	No, I gotta take some calls.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah.
	Okie dokes.
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	Line two.
	Hey, Dr. G. It's always good talking to you.
	Two things real quick.
	I know you're busy.
	Biden calling Putin's vote in Ukraine illegitimate is like the kettle calling the frying pan burnt bottom.
	I didn't even think of that, Phil.
	Biden calling the Putin vote illegitimate.
	That is hilarious.
	That's the best joke I've heard all month.
	I called and I suggested this a couple weeks ago, but I didn't hear anything.
	A new t-shirt, a 12-inch Kobe ball in the center of the chest and a t-shirt, and underneath that, made in China.
	Oh, hang on, hang on.
	That's good.
	Oh, that's good.
	That's good.
	I'm going to have to discuss that with our merch guys.
	Anything else, Phil?
	Maybe if you could put a little watermark of Fauci's face in that COVID ball, but maybe that might be stretching it.
	I think I want to have the Biden family.
	I want to have a portrait of the Biden family and made in China.
	Do you have one of our America First Challenge coins?
	Do I have one?
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	Well, stay on the line then, Phil!
	Let's get him one!
	Joe, line three, Illinois.
	Dr. G, how is it that Trump attracted so many working-class people into the Republican Party?
	Now, I have an Eastern European ex-wife that was radical for some reason, and now all of a sudden, She's going to vote for Trump.
	Well, you know, I think it's very simple.
	I don't care what class you're from.
	If you love America, you're going to vote for President Trump.
	I think they're patriots, Joe.
	You know, the white suburban moms are getting their butts kicked, you know, with inflation and everything else.
	Right!
	Price of gas, everything else.
	I think it's their patriots.
	Great question, Joe.
	Let me ponder on that.
	Squeeze in one more.
	Randy Nokesville, line one.
	Hey, Dr. Gorka, I remember when Trump fired Comey, the FBI director.
	I'm wondering about him.
	When he gets reelected, if he's going to fire Wray.
	And the part that I liked the most was that he left Comey in LA and didn't let him get on the FBI.
	You did let him get on the FBI jet.
	That was priceless.
	I think when President Trump wins, if we do our part, I think Ray will very quietly slink out of the building in the first week of November.
	That's my prediction.
	And then we can charge him for malfeasance once we take over the executive.
	Oh, it's gonna be sweet.
	Next up, what's happening in global politics?
	Are we on the brink of World War III?
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	Some of them look pretty prosperous.
	Divine providence was clearly operating in the lives of black Americans.
	Throughout history, black folks were honorable.
	They had integrity.
	That's what black people were.
	We were never taught that America was bad and that we were not Americans.
	We were raised to love America.
	Protesters topple a statue of Christopher Columbus and hundreds of statues have been vandalized.
	You see people trying to rewrite history.
	The American people know these names have to go.
	Why is that?
	Whenever you have something to be proud of, People have less of a chance of controlling you.
	This country is racist from top to bottom, from right to left.
	And for black people to become a part of that is for them to become, in fact, anti-black and to hate themselves.
	There is no country in this world that a black person would rather be.
	Unless, of course, they grow up in this country.
	You broke the contract!
	We've been playing this game for 400 years!
	Then they're fed a lie that is so deceptive The reason that that lie exists is power.
	There are certain people who are using the Negro in order to establish their power in Washington.
	And the Negro is just merely a pawn in a game that's bigger than he is.
	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
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	It's not all geopolitics, craziness of the left.
	It's also spontaneous laughter.
	How do we do that?
	Well, we have some trigger phrases.
	One of them is Max Boot.
	This is a classic from the archives.
	Just listen to this clip when a certain Michael Duran and Jim Carafano were in studio with us and they just burst out laughing.
	We have an audio cut from one of our favorite people out there.
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	I think this crisis is really reflecting some of the contradictions of President Trump's foreign policy, which can be described as bellicose isolationism, where this is a crisis that President Trump has really created between the U.S.
	and Iran, because the U.S.
	and Iran have a long history of animosity dating back to 1979.
	Just that phrase, bellicose isolationism, triggered a gut-wrenching laugh from our guests in studio.
	We've only got one of them here at the moment, but we're going to go deep dive on serious matters as well.
	He goes by Doranimated on Twitter.
	He is Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute.
	Michael Doran, welcome to America First.
	Great to be here.
	All right, so it's been far too long.
	It's great to have you in our new studios.
	We have so much to discuss.
	I need your assistance personally to understand what's happening in Persia.
	We're going to talk about what's happening in Europe as well.
	But let's start there.
	Maybe that's the easiest one in terms of big picture and you can give us the granularity when it comes to Iran.
	Last couple of days, last week or so, Even conservative voices, or mainly mostly conservative voices, have raised the specter of Moscow using nuclear weapons in the Ukrainian conflict.
	I don't buy that.
	I look at this KGB colonel.
	I don't see him as an irrational, crazy actor.
	I see him as quite a predictable actor if you look at his career in the East Bloc, in East Germany, in Dresden, and so forth.
	What is your take in terms of Red teaming the Kremlin today, understanding what they are trying to achieve and perhaps let's look at least recent developments.
	The instigation of mobilization for the first time since 1945 in Russia itself for new troops.
	Give us your estimation of the last eight months in terms of how the war has gone and whether we're dealing with a crazy man, Michael.
	No, he's not crazy.
	Well, first, thanks for having me, and it is great to be in the new studio.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	He's not crazy, of course not.
	He is the smartest, one of the smartest, certainly, leaders on the world stage today.
	But he's made a massive blunder.
	I mean, this happens, and it's a classic case of the dictator surrounding himself with people who only tell him what he wants to hear.
	And even a guy as smart as Putin, and I do think he's very, very intelligent, starts to make blunders.
	This war has been a blunder.
	It's a huge miscalculation.
	Can I jump in, because your expertise in the NSC and the DoD was the Middle East.
	Is it analogous to 1990 and Saddam Hussein, surrounded by yes men who are petrified of him, has a chat with the American ambassador who says, oh, that Kuwait thing, that's an internal issue.
	We're not interested.
	And he thinks, oh, well, I can invade now.
	Is this another level of blunder?
	I do think that's an analogy.
	It hadn't occurred to me.
	I don't think Saddam was half as smart as Putin.
	But yes, totally analogous.
	But what's happened is he's found out his military is not nearly as powerful as he thought it was.
	And the war's not going well for him.
	So he really did think, he believed the hype of the military.
	He didn't know how corrupt it was, thought this would be a relatively easy operation, maybe to decapitate Kiev, put in a puppet and then take control.
	And we're what, nine months later and he's got a couple of breakaway republics.
	Day before yesterday another region was recaptured, captured back by the Ukrainians, absolutely stunning.
	So where do we think he's at now strategically in terms of I don't think he wants an end state, and I think it's important for us to realize that.
	The end state that he wanted was, as you mentioned, he wanted to decapitate Ukraine if possible.
	And if not, then what he wanted to do was cut it off from the Black Sea, turn it into a landlocked country, and then it would be weakened.
	He couldn't do that.
	I think he thought that he would certainly achieve that.
	He couldn't do that.
	So now what he's going to want at some point is a ceasefire on reasonable terms for him, but without, when I say no instate, without a final resolution of the problem.
	Like he's got a sore that he can keep picking at.
	What people forget who don't follow the region is that this lack of end-state scenario, and I'm so glad that you bring this up, is pretty much par for the course.
	If you look at Georgia, South Ossetia, Moldova, this idea of quote-unquote frozen conflicts That's actually quite normal for the region.
	Totally normal.
	And it's also a norm in the Middle East, which I study.
	They don't want to end the conflict because they can't continue to use it.
	Because the perpetuation of the conflict serves lots of purposes for them.
	Why is he not crazy?
	I say he's not crazy.
	You say he's not crazy.
	Why do you have that level of certitude that this isn't a madman like, you know, Kim senior?
	Well, because we've watched him for many, many years, and he's always been very logical.
	Clinical.
	Clinical, and absolutely very strategic.
	And precise.
	Predictable.
	Yeah, reasonably predictable as well.
	Because the idea that he took Ukraine, if you'd listened to his speeches for the last 20 years, you shouldn't be surprised.
	Right, exactly.
	If you read what he said about a country that does not exist and has no legitimacy and is part of Russia, Well, why are we surprised?
	Right, exactly.
	If you go back and read that tract he wrote in April, and I assume that he actually wrote it, why would you be surprised?
	We have this amazing ability in the West to discount what these leaders say.
	Not to listen to the bad guys.
	Yeah, not to listen to what they say.
	We did that with the terrorists, with Al-Qaeda, we did it with ISIS.
	We do it with the Iranians all the time.
	We talk about the Iranians.
	But we have to address, because it was breaking news, what, 48 hours ago, the second richest man in the world, because the fact is Putin really is the richest, but the second richest, Elon Musk, uses his massive platform on social media.
	He posts a little survey.
	Do you think the people of Crimea and the breakaway public, shouldn't they be allowed to choose their own future?
	And God bless Elon Musk, but that level of naivety in geopolitics, I mean, stick to moonshots and buying Twitter, but the idea that, A, you could have a free and fair referendum in militarily occupied Crimea.
	Please, Michael, will you back me up and help me?
	What do we say to Elon if he were in the room?
	Yeah, I mean, really, seriously.
	It is the funny thing about Americans.
	I'm not calling him an American.
	I know he's a South African.
	But the rest of the world doesn't play by our democratic rules.
	Or think like we do!
	This is the great contribution of the likes of Colin Gray and others, and Brody, that every nation has a strategic culture.
	The way they look at strategic matters is... Belgium has a different way of looking at national security than... They don't have national security in Belgium.
	that Spain has a different way of looking or Britain has a different way of looking at national security from France and they're right next to each other.
	So the idea that, well, it works in Ukraine like it does over here.
	Michael this is the biggest mistake.
	This is mirror imaging.
	It's strange.
	I'm curious as to why he wanted to make a foray into this.
	Well, because he's vested.
	I mean, when he received a lot of blowback afterwards in the last day, two days, he immediately said, well, I like the Ukrainians and Starlink, my satellite internet system, has made such a difference for the Ukrainians.
	So clearly he feels to be a player, but without the requisite understanding, perhaps.
	Yeah, I guess that's what it is.
	I have a lot of respect for him.
	I think he's a very, very intelligent guy.
	Absolutely!
	Not just the richest guy.
	Extremely intelligent.
	And so I always kind of wonder if there's something else going on.
	Is he just sitting there with his phone and throwing stuff out?
	Or is there a method to the madness?
	I don't know.
	I think I'll go with the former.
	God bless him and I hope the news about the Twitter deal is real.
	But in the meantime, maybe we could send him a couple of things that he should bone up and a little bit of reading.
	One of them should be read Michael's book.
	It's a classic.
	You should check it out if you're interested in Ike.
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	All right, so we'll return to Russia for a second, because I want to look at this conflict from the other side of the fence.
	You have been working defense and national security for decades now, Michael.
	I see a lot of potentially rose-tinted analysis about, this is NATO restored, the West is back.
	It's not so clear to me when you look at the differentiation between, say, Germany's approach and the UK's approach, or even America promising the F-16 backfills to Poland when they were going to donate their MiGs to Ukraine.
	That was reneged upon by the Biden White House.
	In the last nine months, what kind of performance, what kind of conclusions would you draw about how the West has done I think there's, I'd give them, the West in general, I'd give it a B+.
	Maybe a B. There's a lot of things to take heart and there really, there has been a new atmosphere in Germany in particular.
	There's been a recognition, an open recognition that the Germans completely miscalculated with this notion that With Nord Stream 2, they would, you know, by economic engagement of Putin, they were going to moderate him.
	What Trump warned them about, and they laughed at at the UN.
	Exactly, yeah.
	I mean, they sneered at him, and it was amazing.
	But they have acknowledged that, and that's really heartening to see, and the West has come together.
	As far as the Biden administration's policy is concerned, I think that they have, from the beginning, thought in terms of giving Putin an off-ramp.
	You know, they believed before the war began that they had parked with Nord Stream 2.
	They believed that they had parked Russia and now they could concentrate on China.
	And they weren't expecting this.
	And of course in the beginning we know they were expecting a walkover by the Russians and they basically acquiesced in that.
	And they offered Zelensky famously the ride instead of ammunition.
	instead of ammunition.
	But they have recovered pretty well, but we're always playing backup.
	I mean, playing catch-up.
	We could have provided them with drones to take out those long convoys of armor.
	And now we need to hit, the Russians need to be hit behind their artillery, all of the depots.
	The HIMARS that we have delivered are not enough to do it.
	And so we should be thinking in terms of other systems.
	That doesn't mean the United States getting involved directly.
	It doesn't mean American forces on the ground.
	None of that is necessary.
	But we're always way behind and we should start training Ukraine is now on the systems that are going to make a difference in four or five months because this conflict is going to be with us.
	And when the winter comes, and the energy bills in Europe are really high, we might see some fractures in the West.
	Indeed.
	Are you surprised by the agility, the acumen of the Ukrainian government's PR and propaganda campaign?
	Because it looks... I mean, there was a photograph I posted last week of, you know, Putin at his desk with two old phones like this and a fax machine.
	And then, you know, Zelensky skyping into Congress in the UN.
	Pretty impressive, no?
	Very impressive, and frankly, it really surprised me.
	I took a trip, actually, with Jim Carrafano in 2017, I think it was, to Ukraine.
	I did have a sense that there was a national awakening going on.
	You can't miss it.
	But you could see all of the divisions, the corruption, all the things that the critics of the Ukrainians say, it's there.
	And I didn't know when this began just how strong the Ukrainian national spirit was going to be and how adept the fighting force was going to be.
	And your response to those putative conservative voices who allege that this, you know, diminutive Jewish comedian is a Nazi puppet of the World Economic Forum and Putin is a champion of Christianity, I mean, it makes your head spin when you hear people who say they're conservatives call a KGB colonel the champion of the West.
	Yeah, no, I vote with the American conservatives.
	And the average American voter, when it sees Vladimir Putin bombing cities, leveling cities, starting a war, the idea... What bothers me among our friends in the conservative movement, with whom we, I think, strongly disagree on this issue, what bothers me is what you were talking about before, the projecting onto the enemy, Yeah.
	the feelings that they have.
	They assume that there was an offer, they assume that somehow Putin was wronged and that we could have offered him something that would have prevented this war.
	And that's just not, that's not in keeping with my understanding of Russian history or what we saw in the lead up to this war.
	He was going to take Ukraine not because he was wrong, but because he wanted it and he thought he could do it.
	The only question was when.
	The only question was when he was going to take it.
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	All right, so let's do a little bit of credentialing here.
	What was your job in the NSC, Michael Duran?
	I was the Senior Director for the Middle East and North Africa.
	Right, he was the man for that region in the NSC and then in the DoD.
	I was a DASD, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense.
	He's using Washington lingo there, DASD.
	So this is your real forte, your area of expertise.
	What is happening in the Middle East?
	Is this just another one of these cyclical, low-level pushback against the regime of the mullahs in Iran that will be quashed like all the others?
	Or are you seeing signs of something different here?
	Let's, while Mike's talking, let's run a bit of b-roll of these incredibly brave women, most of them very, very young, ripping off their hijabs, ripping off their scarves and just dancing through the streets of Tehran.
	Tell us, Mike, what's going on?
	Is this different?
	It is different.
	It's a $64,000 question as to whether it will become just one more wave, but it is a wave of protests that's different from all of the others.
	How?
	First of all, it's gone on longer.
	It's wider.
	It's in all the ethnic areas, all the different ethnic areas.
	Iran's a multi-ethnic country.
	All strata of society.
	It's in all of the cities.
	And interestingly, it's more obviously, directly, explicitly anti-regime than any of the other protests.
	Because of the headscarf element?
	The headscarf is a symbol of the regime.
	This isn't just feminism.
	These aren't just women.
	This is oppression by the regime.
	Yes, so that is the symbol of the regime.
	If you're against the headscarf, you're against the regime by definition.
	And that's why quickly it has gone to slogans, you know, down with the dictator, kill the dictator, end of the Mullah's regime, and so on.
	This isn't about feminism, or simply or primarily about feminism.
	Of course it is about that too.
	Now, as the child of those who escaped to liberty during a revolution, the Hungarian Revolution, for me the quintessential question, wherever it is, whether it's the Middle East, whether it's Eastern Europe or what have you, Is a people's revolution can only succeed in a dictatorial environment if elements of the regime say, OK, we're not going to shoot on the people and here is my gun.
	There has to be a sizable defection.
	Do you see any potential for that inside Iran?
	You you sort of.
	That is the that's exactly what you're we're looking forward to see.
	There are You see now celebrities and sports figures coming out on the side of the protesters.
	So they're not in the regime, but their livelihoods depend on good relations with the regime.
	and they themselves are being very brave in doing that.
	So they're part of the establishment, let's say.
	There's lots of signs that the security services are supremely taxed.
	And there's an interesting thing There's a succession crisis going on.
	Khamenei is at the end of his life.
	I'm not saying he's dying this minute, but he is old and infirm.
	He's not going to be on for much longer.
	So the question is, who succeeds him as supreme leader?
	So there's jockeying going on around that.
	So there's a potential there.
	the combination of this huge wave of protests, popular protests, you know, at the most basic level, and the succession crisis, it could get very interesting.
	So the timing also is different and could be advantageous to the protesters.
	We're talking to Michael Duran of the Hudson Institute.
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	If I may...
	Go ahead.
	This is, if you compare it to, say, Hungary in 1956, it's possible that the regime will weather this, but it will be a lot weaker.
	Its legitimacy has really been shaken by this.
	So it will be diminished in strength?
	It's supremely diminished.
	This is now a minority dictatorship.
	There's a very, very narrow strata of society that is supporting it in any way.
	And that's now obvious to everyone.
	It can't recover from this.
	It can't become popular.
	There's no possibility.
	There's no way to recover.
	There's no way to recover.
	They can hold on by brute force.
	We know from history that it's possible to do that.
	But that's a different kind of regime than one that has a certain amount of buy-in from the population.
	All right, let me change topics, Michael.
	The thing I would like to talk about most with you always, given your career, where you worked, the White House, the DoD, is for me one of my bugbears, which is the paucity of serious strategic thought in America, and especially in the conservative side.
	I got involved in the Journalistic aspects of my field, not just as a DoD civilian, when I was asked by Breitbart to be their national security editor.
	And I said, well, I don't really need another job, but If I look at the conservative palette, there is this pathetic reality that if you're interested in national security and you're a quote-unquote Republican, you can be a neo-Buchananite isolationist like Tucker, or you can be a let's-invade-everywhere neocon and turn the world into democracies at the end of the gun barrel.
	And I don't like either of those.
	And I thought there's a large scale in between.
	There's a palette to choose from.
	Let's be a little bit more sophisticated than that.
	I still believe that.
	I think President Trump, however, has broken that mold with his, I'm not an interventionist, but if you screw around in Syria, I'll drop 52 cruise missiles on your head.
	So this is, I haven't, you know, not quite found a label for that yet.
	Yeah, I have my own label for it.
	Give me your label.
	National Interest Conservative.
	National Interest Conservative.
	I like it.
	And we can continue that discussion.
	We have a little bit of time to do that.
	However, it's not the good guys who are in control right now.
	It is a very ideologically driven administration that has opened our borders, that wants a second Iran deal, a revivified JCPOA that has been problematic in its response to Russian aggression.
	So my question is, give us a diagnosis for now, because I see a deadly concatenation of arrogance and ignorance.
	We have people like Jake Sullivan and others, or Millie, who either don't know what they're doing or are driven by political correctness, that quintessential quote, I'm white and I want to know what white rage is, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
	What is our biggest obstacle now?
	What do we have to deal with as a nation to be serious again?
	Can we recover from where we are right now?
	We can recover.
	I mean, it's one of the wonderful things about the United States.
	It has a remarkable ability to regenerate.
	But I think we are in decline.
	I think that's an objective description of the situation.
	But like I say, we can definitely come back.
	For me, clarity on these issues means understanding that we have three major enemies in the world.
	Russia, China, and Iran.
	Or in order of magnitude, China, Russia, Iran.
	Those are the three.
	They are in an alignment, if not an alliance.
	You see it clearly.
	We've now got Iranian attack drones coming in behind the Russians.
	When the Russians found out, you know, the Russians didn't have attack drones in their arsenal.
	The Iranians have them.
	The Iranians are supplying them.
	Turks were giving them to the Ukrainians.
	And the Iranians come in to the Russians.
	But the Americans don't give in to the Ukrainians.
	But we've got Iranians giving in.
	And then we've got the United States still talking to the Iranians about going back to the JCPOA.
	Even with all of these protests, I mean, we have a nationwide protest really weakening the regime.
	And the administration wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars to this regime at this moment.
	So it's a lack of clarity.
	We should see that Russia and Iran are working together.
	If they're not planning every move together, they want to weaken the American order, each in its own sphere.
	And our job is to drive wedges between them, to contain them, to weaken them.
	And we don't have to do that directly with our own military.
	There are lots of forces around the world, including all those girls out in the streets of Tehran, who can help us with this.
	So we just have to think that way, and we should evaluate everything we do.
	It should be a very simple evaluation.
	Does this help contain, weaken China, Russia and Iran?
	Everything else is secondary, tertiary.
	It's not... What conclusions do you think Beijing has drawn in the last nine months?
	Because at the beginning, the talk was, well, okay, Putin's rolled in the tanks.
	It's going to be China and Taiwan next.
	They've probably been given some pause for thought, have they not?
	I think he has.
	I think Xi Jinping is watching this very closely.
	What it does to his emotions, I think, changes day by day.
	But we're in a very dangerous situation there in Taiwan, because if there was a war over Taiwan tomorrow, he would probably win it.
	Xi Jinping.
	I don't know that for a fact but let's just say I'm sure that General Milley, I'm sure that the leadership in the Pentagon is not convinced that we win that war.
	And that's a huge change in American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War.
	Since the end of the Cold War until yesterday, we had the feeling that we could prevail in any conflict anywhere in the world if we decided we want to.
	But here, it's not just a question of political will.
	It's not clear that we have the military means.
	Four or five years from now, I think we will probably have weapon systems that can push back the Chinese.
	So that's what makes this period so dangerous, is that there's a window there where he might think he wants to do it.
	But of course, he has lots of economic problems.
	I think that if I had to bet you put a gun to my head, I don't think there's going to be a war over Taiwan in the next four or five years.
	But we have to make sure that we're sending a deterrent message to him all the time.
	And any collusion between Beijing and Russia right now is simply a marriage of convenience because they're strange bedfellows.
	You know, I'm not one of those who thinks that we can separate the two of them.
	I think that the power differential now between China and Russia is such That the best we can do is in certain areas like say Central Asia, we can bet on a little bit of friction between the two of them.
	But basically, Russia is the junior partner to China now.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	And that's why China is the primary threat to the United States, then Russia, and then Iran.
	The book is Ike's Gamble.
	We're talking to the senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, Michael Duran.
	You can follow him on Twitter at Duranimated.
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	Okay, so I don't think I'm letting any cats out of any bags by saying that my former boss, President Trump, will be running for his old job.
	Whether he announces before or after the midterms is up to him and his campaign finance advisors and what have you.
	I think if we had a fair and free election, he will stroll back into the White House So, Michael Doran, what has to happen day one with regards to Iran and what has to happen day two with regards to, well, let's start with Iran.
	What should be the next administration's policies?
	I will return to maximum pressure.
	Trump had it right.
	So, economic, political, diplomatic, no chance of JCPOA.
	And we also, there's a military problem now too.
	It's my view that Iran has now shifted the balance of power in the Persian Gulf in its own favor.
	It has this complex that it uses of missiles and drones.
	And proxies.
	Missiles, drones and proxies, exactly.
	And it delivers the missiles and drones to the proxies.
	It has a long-range precision strike capability.
	And we don't have an answer to it.
	And we could, But I'm saying at the moment, in our current posture, we don't have an answer to it.
	And that's driving our allies, the Saudis and the Emiratis, toward China.
	So we need to stop that quickly.
	When we were in the White House and we exerted that historic pressure economically on Iran, what was your estimation back then, Michael?
	How close was that national economy?
	We saw some precipitous... I mean, the stock exchange collapsed almost completely.
	Foreign currency reserves were almost depleted.
	How close did we get to breaking that regime?
	It was going to take a while longer because maximum pressure in its fullest form was only in place for about 18 or 20 months.
	So if there had been a second Trump term... For another four years?
	Then they could have brought the regime to its knees.
	Now, this regime is always going to fight, so it would have tried to negotiate something out, and maybe Trump would have negotiated with them, but it would have been on our terms and not on theirs, which the JCPOA is on their terms.
	And so if they get a second JCPOA, if billions of dollars are shipped again on pallets to Tehran, what happens to this threat?
	Well, first of all, they get a nuclear weapon.
	The JCPOA doesn't stop them.
	By January 2031, within 8 years, all meaningful restrictions are lifted.
	So, they get a bomb.
	But then also, this disruptive military capacity, the missiles and the drones and the proxies, is going to get a lot worse and a lot quicker.
	Because the JCPOA lifts all the sanctions on that.
	In Ukraine, if you open up Russian weaponry, you see it's full of Western components, subsystems.
	That's what's going to happen to all this.
	Look what the Iranians have done.
	They're talented people with these attack drones that are targeting our systems in Ukraine now.
	They did that under severe sanctions.
	What's it going to be like when they can go shopping in the West for all these components?
	When they're flush with cash and it's our cash, all right?
	All right, that went by far too quickly.
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	He's Michael Doran.
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