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Oct. 7, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: The fake DOJ/Hunter Biden investigation

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	It's like liberal Nazis that will go up and attack you.
	Liberal Nazis.
	I'm always on the search for the best label for the enemy that we face domestically, and it is an enemy.
	We have a caller who calls it the Demoncrats.
	But liberal, liberal, fascist, liberal Nazis, from Kanye's interview with Tucker Carlson, is a good contender.
	The left are clearly not amused because they're not reacting well to that interview.
	We have some amazing cuts.
	But first, I need to analyze who this person is, because guess what?
	This may be... Oh, by the way, Happy Friday!
	It is Friday, right, Eric?
	It is Friday.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	Okay, thank you.
	Happy Friday.
	It's Second Amendment Friday.
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	But first, Kanye West, that blockbuster interview by Tucker Carlson on Fox.
	It may shock you, I know.
	Sit down, ladies and gentlemen.
	I do not listen to rap music.
	I do not.
	I know nothing about rap music.
	Less than nothing.
	Allegedly, Kanye is a rap artiste, a rather rich and successful one.
	And apparently there's somebody on our team who knows of his music.
	Alex, are you there?
	I'm here!
	So, tell me, give me the potted history.
	Who is Kanye West?
	What kind of music does he quote-unquote sing?
	You know, I learned from the very beginning of Kanye.
	You can't put him in the box.
	You can't give him any definitions.
	He's a rapper.
	He's an artist.
	He's a filmmaker.
	He's a phenomenon, right?
	He's everything.
	He's a renaissance man.
	Alright.
	You called, you gave a special adjective.
	What kind of rap is it?
	I said industrial rap.
	What does that mean?
	Is it like heavy or what does that mean?
	It's experimental.
	Yeezus was an experimental rap album.
	I'd say it's one of his best.
	And you like it?
	You like Kanye?
	I do.
	I'm a Kanye fan.
	Interesting.
	And what is he for you?
	Because for me he's a little kind of left field.
	Oh, man, that's tough.
	He makes you believe in yourself.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	That's interesting.
	I like that.
	What you want to listen to on the way to work to get pumped up.
	All right.
	So, Jeff, Kanye, is this interview a big deal?
	Oh, yeah, it absolutely is, especially with the stuff that he's saying.
	And the fact that he knows what's going to happen, that they're going to come after him.
	He doesn't care at all, so he's going to keep saying it.
	That's the best part.
	And what do you think of him?
	Is he a little bit weird for you?
	Oh yeah, he's definitely a little bit weird, but he seemed pretty normal last night in that interview.
	Yeah, he was.
	When my wife watched it and said that was a good interview, then I think he probably behaved himself.
	We'll talk about it much, much more on the show, but first we have to go to our very special guest.
	It is from the Mighty Oaks Foundation, the CEO, Jeremy Stalnecker.
	Jeremy, welcome to America First!
	All right, so we've been talking every day, every hour about Mighty Oaks because this number of 22 veterans taking their lives every day is just, it's 22 too many.
	You are doing the Lord's work, literally.
	I know you're a pastor as well, along with our good friend Chad Robichaud.
	Will you tell us the genesis of Mighty Oaks and how it is that you help our veterans?
	So Mighty Oaks was born out of need.
	Chad has told his story and you and I and Chad have certainly talked about it before, but Chad came home broken and a man poured into his life, helped him understand how he could begin to move forward again.
	And Chad would tell the story and he'd say, I felt like I had found a cure to cancer and I needed to tell the rest of the world about it.
	So he began reaching out to veterans.
	We met as he was getting Mighty Oaks started.
	And just started to reach out to the people that we knew.
	And literally, it was, we know broken people that we served with in Iraq and Afghanistan and the military, both having served as Marines.
	And we know they need help, and we've got the answer, and we can help them.
	And from those humble beginnings 11 years ago, we've seen more than 4,000 men and women come through our program and find hope and help and healing.
	And many of them, I would say most of them, after trying just about everything else, they've come through every other program.
	They've dealt with the clinical side and therapeutic side, and those can be helpful.
	But they've done all of that.
	They've come to the end of the road and said, there's nothing left.
	If this doesn't work, then I'm done.
	And they find themselves with us and we've been very blessed to be able to speak truth from our own experience and the experience of the other instructors and folks that have been able to help them.
	And that number you gave, 22 a day, we know on the active duty side for just over four active duty service members a day taking their lives.
	It's unbelievable.
	And then with the pandemic and the shutdowns and everything else that's been It increased, right?
	The number increased.
	All right.
	So talk to us about what the donations to Mighty Oaks does.
	So you have this series.
	You have five or six ranches.
	They go there, the veterans, some active service duty members and their families.
	How do you support them?
	What happens at a Mighty Oaks facility?
	Right.
	When a man or woman comes to one of our programs, they spend five days with us.
	And during that five days, other men and women who have experienced many of the same things will talk to them from their own experience.
	We talk about what trauma is, what it's not, and more importantly, how to begin moving forward in spite of that.
	The fact that you have a created purpose, and things have happened, but those things don't need to have a hold on you anymore, and you can continue to move forward in a meaningful way.
	And we spend five days, literally 24 hours a day, drilling down on that.
	And then after that five days, we support the individual, the family, and we'll spend years with folks, helping them continue to move forward.
	And what kind of testimonies have you had, Jeremy, of people saying, you helped me, I was gonna go to that dark place, I was having suicidal ideation, but you brought me back.
	What kind of amazing testimonies do you have?
	Dr. Gorka, we have literally had people, and again, I know you've had this conversation with us before, but we've had people literally show up on Monday and say, hey, my testimony is this, if this thing doesn't work, then I'm gonna go home Saturday and take my life.
	Wow.
	And that story always ends with a Friday where they come to us and say, I'm so thankful I was here.
	I'm going to go back and make those changes, build my family, restore broken relationships, and continue to move forward.
	So let's talk about how people can help our veterans.
	This is on our website.
	It's at the top.
	There's a photograph of me and Chad.
	It says, Restore Our Warriors.
	It's a tax-deductible donation.
	It's the easiest thing.
	SebGorka.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A dot com.
	And it just says, Restore Our Warriors, who've done so much for us.
	This is an easy way to give back to them.
	If you could only say one thing To our listeners across the nation right now, what is that one thing that you would tell them, Jeremy, in terms of why the support of your mission is such a good thing?
	There are a lot of very hopeless people who have served us, who have preserved the freedoms that we enjoy, and everyone says, I wish I knew what to do.
	One of the things you can do to restore hope and direction and purpose to the men and women who have served us is to support organizations like the Mighty Oaks Foundation.
	Wow.
	I think there's proof why this man is a pastor.
	I think he nailed it in one sentence.
	There are many people who are helpless, who have preserved our collective freedom.
	That's all you need.
	That's the formula.
	They're hopeless, and they've preserved our freedom.
	We now need to help them.
	God bless you, Pastor Jeremy Stalnaker.
	He is the CEO co-founder of the Mighty Oaks Foundation.
	Please go to our website right now.
	Give as much as you can.
	The veterans, the active duty service members, pay not a penny for this faith-based support.
	Please go to sebgawker.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A.
	I'm donating, so should you.
	Restore our warriors.
	God bless.
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	All right, ins and outs.
	Oh, okay.
	Stay with us for more one-on-one with me, Sebastian Gorka, and Stephen Gray.
	We'll be back with Steve after these messages.
	Stay here for America First one-on-one.
	We'll be back with Steve in a moment.
	Welcome back to America First one-on-one with 23-year FBI veteran Stephen Gray.
	You're listening to America First one-on-one with me, Sebastian Gorka, and former FBI agent Stephen Gray.
	Welcome back to America First one-on-one with me, Sebastian Gorka, and Stephen Gray.
	Okay, mic's on.
	Titles.
	Gray.
	Oh, there was something really good he said.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	23-year FBI veteran, colon, dismantle the FBI.
	Very good.
	Chris Farrell would get along, it seems.
	I would love to see the agents that put the Comey pictures and kept them up after he fired them.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then for Stalnecker?
	Um... Helping our hopeless veterans.
	Helping veterans who've lost hope.
	Veterans who've lost hope.
	There we go.
	I was gonna say.
	Who've lost hope.
	Alright.
	Moon is phone.
	You want mics off for him or on?
	Uh, off.
	Off.
	All right.
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	Now that is what I call a radio liner.
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	Not just to talk about car firearms, but to have the founder, the CEO, the president, the head honcho of car firearms with us today for Second Amendment Friday, Justin Moon.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Oh, it's always great being on, Sebastian.
	Thanks for having me.
	All right, so we're going to talk about a very special event that you are hosting tomorrow that I will be attending.
	But first, for those who are unfamiliar with your weapons, have you been under a rock for the last 30 years?
	This is the man who reinvented the concept of concealed carry when he upgraded the PPK into a far better type of weapon, his type of weapon, the PM-9, which is what I carry.
	However, let's put a picture up of that weapon.
	A customized, look at that, I love that.
	Tiny, same size as a PPK, but it actually fires the full 9mm NATO round.
	Then, one of my most recent acquisitions is one of the 10mm Desert Eagle 1911s.
	Look at that.
	That is one shot group.
	That is a full mag dump in one hole.
	That's how much of a laser is.
	And then lastly, if you'll indulge me, Mr. Moon, I have to say a big thank you to your team, especially Jody.
	That was my, that is my Desert Eagle that I purchased secondhand, was not functioning properly, and your amazing team had it fixed, and it is now a 100% reliable hand cannon.
	So thank you, Justin, to you and your team.
	Oh, we aim to please, Sebastian.
	We aim to please.
	I bet you do.
	All right, let's put it up on the screen.
	Tomorrow, I'm traveling to Pennsylvania for the Rod of Iron Freedom Festival, protecting the Second Amendment.
	So, Mr. Moon, tell us about this festival and what the objective is.
	Well, you know, we want to celebrate our freedoms at this time, especially since our freedoms are so much under attack by the world culture that we're facing.
	I mean, look at our First Amendment rights being completely eviscerated by the woke media, de-platforming of President Trump and so many conservative voices.
	Even your good friend Steve Bannon has been banned off of most social media.
	The FBI is going after him, trying to put him in jail.
	It's just crazy how our right to free speech has been under attack.
	And the Second Amendment rights.
	Constantly, every day we're hearing from the Democratic Party how we're evil for having guns and how our guns need to be taken away from us and now we shouldn't be allowed to defend ourselves.
	And so, yeah, there's an immense wickedness in our land today, and we have to fight back and we have to resist this wickedness by celebrating what we know which is good.
	And we know the Second Amendment and the right of self-defense and the right to bear arms is a very, very good thing, Sebastian.
	Yeah, we have to celebrate and we have to fight for it.
	We had a young caller, I think a 23-year-old yesterday, who called in with sad news from one of the most conservative parts of Illinois.
	It's Naperville.
	In a midnight hour behind closed-door scenes, the local city council has banned the sale of AR-15s and similar rifles.
	in Naperville, Illinois, that used to be a truly conservative part of the state.
	We're seeing the intimidation of firearms manufacturers, FFL license dealers.
	You know the cost of this.
	Is it true, as a man whose family has suffered under North Korea and communist dictatorship, that the last line of defense, Mr. Moon, Yes, you're absolutely right.
	I don't know of one genocide which didn't involve a government killing its own people.
	By definition, a genocide is a government killing its own people.
	And therefore, if you want to defend yourself against a genocide, you have to have the equivalent or better arms than your government.
	And so that's the primary reason why our founding fathers gave us the Second Amendment, so that if in that horrible event our government were to become communist, we would have the means to defend ourselves from a communist genocide.
	And unfortunately, if you look at what's happening to our country today, I think we are seeing a communist takeover of our D.C.
	government, and we are seeing Them engaging in what you call activities of the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is basically making war against the rest of America.
	Yeah, the President Trump at his last rally, we played the cut yesterday, said, we've skipped socialism, we've jumped from freedom in America straight into communism.
	And that's why I want to thank you personally, Mr. Moon.
	for supporting our friday second amendment segments and also doing it to such an extent that you even made that custom weapon for us i think eric has the photograph last year 300 custom america first 1911s were manufactured By you, it had me, President Trump, on it.
	The slide said the Second Amendment is a civil right.
	The 300 weapons sold out in 48 hours!
	I think we have to return to that question of a custom America First weapon this year, but we will have that discussion offline, Mr. Moon.
	In the last couple of minutes, we have you on the show.
	We have, thanks to the left, thanks to the extremism of the Biden administration in the last two years, More than 35 million firearms purchases and millions of millions of new members to the Second Amendment family of firearms owners.
	What do you say to them as the manufacturer, as the CEO of one of the greatest firearms companies in America?
	What are your words of welcome to new firearms owners?
	Well, there are a lot of firearms owners who are actually buying firearms for the first time and who are actually Democrats and liberals.
	Yes.
	But they've come to the awakening and realization that the government really might not be their friend, especially with all this nonsense that happened over the COVID vaccinations and the mandates.
	And now we're finding all the data coming out recently published in Lancet that vaccines do more harm than they help you in the case of COVID.
	And so, yeah, a lot of people feel like they were poisoned and imprisoned by their government without cause and without reason.
	And it just emphasizes the point that our rights are there for a good reason.
	And we should never give them away, regardless of the circumstance and regardless of what emergency the government claims.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We are, we are.
	It's not the military, it's not the police.
	Why do I carry a gun every day?
	Because a police officer is too heavy.
	You are the last line of defense.
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	That's K And I will see you tomorrow, Mr. Moon, at the Rod of Iron Freedom Festival, celebrating the first civil right, which makes all the other civil rights possible.
	This is America First on the Salem News Channel.
	wherever you are, whatever you're doing, do not touch that dial.
	Hello, Justin? Justin?
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Thank you.
	I'll see you tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
	We'll see you tomorrow, 11 a.m.
	God bless.
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	End Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	It is the baronial music, but he's undercover.
	No coronet, no carriage today, but he's in studio.
	The baron, Boris Epstein.
	Welcome.
	You're in the swamp.
	What brings you to the swamp?
	What are you doing?
	Business?
	Pleasure?
	A baronial appearance in the swamp.
	Well, we are very happy to have you in studio.
	We've got to... Hey, Jeff, can you work on that?
	We have to get the cigar permits in here.
	We have to be able to smoke.
	When the Baron is here, we have to be able to smoke cigars.
	All right, so much to discuss, but first I have to remind everybody it's Friday, which means it's Ask Dr. G Anything.
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	Alright, let's talk so much, so much to cover with you.
	You've been an absolute trooper when it comes to the truth about Mar-a-Lago.
	I've been listening to you on Steve Bannon's War Room.
	But first, let's... Hunter Biden.
	I have a certain opinion that I posted on Twitter and I said it's all fake, it's a con, it's a head fake.
	DOJ, FARA, FARA and an ATF form violation.
	This guy should be up on the biggest RICO organized crime indictment ever.
	I don't think it's going to lead to anything.
	If it leads to anything, it's going to be a fine of 50 bucks or anything.
	But you're the legal professional.
	What's your take on the latest leaks about Hunter Biden?
	Well, it's definitely interesting timing.
	It's auspicious timing, and maybe in this case, you're the legal mind, because my initial reaction was that this is the DOJ having embarrassed themselves so badly in this attack, partisan weaponization, and targeting of President Trump.
	They're saying, no, no, no!
	Look, we're equal.
	That's interesting.
	How about this theory?
	I heard this morning from Dan Bongino.
	A good guy at DOJ leaked it so that Merrick Garland couldn't deep six it.
	DOJ was going to do nothing.
	And he just wants to embarrass Garland by saying.
	But at the end of the day.
	It's tough to read the tea leaves.
	It is.
	But at the end of the day, what does your gut say?
	You've lived around politics.
	My gut says that the DOJ absolutely went over its skis in the raid. - Yeah, we'll talk about Mar-a-Laga. - But there's a reason I'm bringing it up.
	The Legal and Constitutional Unwarranted Raider of Mar-a-Lago, and now they're in such a bad spot that I think they leaked out, well, no, no, no, we're also looking at Hunter, but it's going to end up in nothing.
	Maybe some sort of plea bargain on a Friday night.
	How stupid is he, allegedly, that he refused the first plea deal?
	That's what they're saying.
	I mean, how arrogant is this?
	We've got videotape of him talking about being in business with China, the hookers, the blow.
	Oh my god, the videos, the gun, everything.
	Right.
	He's as arrogant as his father.
	You don't F for the Bidens, you know?
	I mean, this is a crime family to its truest.
	Yes.
	Right?
	And you've got Biden, the big guy.
	You've got Hunter.
	10%.
	10% of the big guy.
	I mean, listen, let's slow it all down, right?
	For the viewers.
	How does a guy who spends his whole life in public service end up with five palatial homes in America?
	How does that happen with Joe Biden?
	Obviously.
	Working hard.
	Working hard in the coal mines.
	Working hard in the coal mines, right?
	So, my read on the...
	Am I reading the Hunter Biden news?
	Yeah, convenient timing.
	Feels like a look away.
	Now, we'll see what happens.
	If they do the right thing, great.
	And just the way we criticized the weaponized DOJ for doing the wrong thing on Mar-a-Lago, if they do the right thing on Hunter Biden, if, big if, we are going to be there and say, okay, this was correctly done.
	Let's talk about Mar-a-Lago.
	You are working for the President, for President Trump.
	What's the latest developments?
	You said there's something happening.
	Just today, Judge Dewey, the special master, put out an order saying that the DOJ has to return a huge set of personal property to President Trump early next week.
	So they still got personal?
	Not just the passports and the medical records they still have?
	There's a whole set of other personal property that now the special master is mandating that they return by close of business on Monday and also there have been known filter team failures which means that information which was potentially privileged went through the filter team to the Meaning the government's inspection team of the documents.
	Their own filter team.
	Yeah, not the special master.
	Oh, I'm the filter, and I'm the investigator, right?
	So it's just all six and one half dozen.
	But they admitted to these failures, and then they went to the special master, Deary, and said, could you just say that nothing happened here, that nothing was wrong?
	And Deary publicly declined to do that today.
	He said, no, I am now going to absolve you of these failures.
	So as a former strategist to a campaign, my former colleague in the White House, Here's one really interesting metric.
	Nothing of any substances were leaked.
	There's no serious thing that's leaked about President Trump, which makes me think they have nothing.
	Well, of course they have nothing.
	Well, I know that, but I'm talking about the pattern.
	No, no, they have nothing because, remember, they tried leaking right away.
	First it was nuclear, the Washington Post.
	Right.
	Then it was, well, it's not really nuclear, it's documents about a different country.
	It's Espionage Act.
	Potentially nuclear with maybe Espionage Act.
	Right, right, right.
	And in the end, they have nothing.
	They have nothing on the document hoax.
	And by the way, look at how the other presidents have been treated.
	Oh, we'll talk about that.
	We'll talk about the comparison.
	That's my favorite.
	I'm having far too much fun here.
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	How's everything with you?
	How's the family?
	Oh good.
	My son just had pretty serious ankle surgery two days ago.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	He's had knee surgery two months ago and then he had ankle surgery.
	That's like the ten years of being a rower.
	He's like 23 and he's worried about mileage.
	But it went well so now he's just in a split with crutches for the next six weeks.
	But, uh, everybody's good.
	Yeah.
	Oh, man, it's been busy.
	But busy's good.
	But you're traveling a lot, dude.
	I've been traveling.
	I'm traveling on Monday.
	I'm going back down there.
	He's going to Nevada and Arizona this weekend.
	I'm not going to that.
	So Lauren's out of town with her friends, so I've got daddy daycare.
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	That's the trouble.
	My son, because of the nerve blockers they gave him, They said, you can't have cigars.
	For how long?
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	You've been smoking?
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	He's been traveling, and I wanted him to come home.
	And then I didn't know this thing about the painkillers and the nicotine.
	So it's like I've been behaving myself.
	I smoked in Palm Beach last week.
	I'm probably going to have a stoke tonight.
	I'll see what happens.
	Just a light one.
	Although somebody, I went to the postbox today, somebody sent me this huge long, you know what an advent calendar is?
	Yeah.
	That you open, there's a chocolate.
	It's like an advent calendar, looks like an advent calendar with doors, but every door is long and thin and it's Oliva.
	It's an Oliva advent calendar somebody sent me.
	That's awesome!
	Isn't it?
	Yeah, I haven't even seen the message or who sent it, but I have to, I just picked it up from the postbox.
	That's so cool!
	Like this long, What is this?
	I love that.
	Salmon?
	Or is this like a frozen salmon?
	Fish.
	Oh, that's great.
	I love that.
	He's doing great.
	He looks it.
	His rallies have been top.
	I was in Michigan.
	Oh, good.
	I went to Ohio and I went to Michigan.
	Let's talk about the rallies.
	Sure.
	Whatever you want, buddy.
	It's nice to be here.
	Good.
	America first.
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	You just don't say, not on this show, because that's the title.
	When I launched the show, I said, I don't want to be the Sebastian Gorka show.
	That's boring.
	That's pat.
	This is America First.
	Can we save the FBI?
	What does Dan Bongino say?
	No!
	What does Chris Farrell say?
	No!
	They have become a political police force for the left.
	That's why this, this item, for all you radio listeners, I'm holding up a mug, is the hottest selling item on our site.
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	On the topic of the FBI and their state-sanctioned burglary of President Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago, as his attorney, tell us about the different ways that other presidents have had their documents handled, Boris.
	What's interesting you ask?
	And as the president laid out at his red-hot rally in Michigan, and laid out in Miami just on Wednesday at that Hispanic Leadership Conference, which was amazing, if you look at Barack Obama, he took 33 million documents, 33 million documents.
	That blows my mind.
	33 million documents.
	33 million pages.
	Pages, right.
	To an unguarded, unsafe warehouse.
	But Hank, it's okay, it's okay.
	Boris, can you be accurate?
	It's a furniture warehouse.
	I mean, top security.
	I mean, it's like Nuclear Secrets.
	Furniture warehouse in Chicago.
	In Chicago.
	Unsafe, unguarded, unsecured.
	By the way, admittedly, classified and unclassified documents in there.
	For years.
	They're still there.
	I think they're trying to move him.
	But NARA and the National Archives are being very, very different.
	They're saying, oh, President Obama, whatever you want.
	While with President Trump, they're siccing the DOJ on him, literally against the Presidential Records Act, which applies to...
	Presidential records.
	But they did that with Clinton, didn't they?
	Raid his house when he had those tapes in the sock drawer that were part of his presidential visit.
	They sent in a SWAT unit, right?
	Like Gonzalez.
	Elian Gonzalez.
	The same thing, right?
	They did not do that.
	Oh, they did not?
	No, they did not.
	They did not.
	It was actually the opposite.
	With the Clinton sock drawer, they let him do whatever he wants.
	And then Amy Berman Jackson, a far-left judge, said, oh no, these are all Personal records, because he didn't turn them over to the archives.
	And by the way, thank you to Judge Amy Berman Jackson, because now that Clinton-Sondra case is perfectly applicable to President Trump, and anything that he did not affirmatively turn over to the archives is, guess what?
	Personal records.
	That is not subject to this persecution and weaponization that the DOJ is undertaking.
	And not only that, thank you Judge Berman, the decision, which has not been challenged by anybody, including the DOJ, states The president decides which documents are his.
	Isn't that nice?
	It's wonderful.
	So President Trump, he just decides.
	It was so wonderful of her.
	Is that great?
	So wonderful.
	Thank you.
	And, but, you know, I will tell you that there was a robust investigation, the George H.W.
	Bush, who took, whose documents went to a very secure facility.
	There was a bowling alley that was then combined with a Chinese restaurant.
	No, this is a joke.
	And no, there was no investigation.
	This is a joke, this is a joke.
	100% serious.
	Eric, I need that story.
	George H.W.
	Bush's documents were sent to a facility that previously was a bowling alley that was then combined with a Chinese restaurant.
	But that was in Cheyenne Mountain, under a mountain, right?
	It was secured with... Secret Service?
	No, incorrect again.
	Compared to Mar-a-Lago, which is walled off, secure, and has dozens of Secret Service agents.
	But, of course, that's when they raid.
	It is absolutely unequal justice.
	That's why he's the Baron, because he teaches us stuff.
	You've got to follow him, BorisEP.com, BorisEP, Boris Epstein on social media, including Truth Social, of course.
	All right.
	Add Boris.
	Indeed.
	Now, there's so much to discuss.
	We are a month away from the midterms.
	I just got to do this, because I hate this person.
	This is Larry Hogan.
	I think he's the governor.
	Who?
	I think he's the governor of Maryland, who doesn't like stunts with illegal aliens.
	Cut eight will get the Baron to respond.
	Play cut.
	I mean, I know Governor DeSantis, who had nothing to do with the issue after Governor Abbott was doing it in Texas.
	He went to Texas and basically, you know, grabbed 50 people and sent them to Martha's Vineyard as a publicity stunt.
	And I think it was a terrible idea.
	Let's just, you know, try to address the issue seriously and fix the problem rather than trying to get on TV.
	It's back to what I was saying earlier about the performative politics.
	It's not a serious discussion.
	It's not a good solution.
	You mean the stunt that for the first time in two years got anyone in the establishment to pay attention?
	Larry's not happy, Boris.
	Why is Larry not happy?
	Larry's a sad guy.
	He is.
	Larry's not a happy guy.
	He doesn't like President Trump.
	Larry thinks that, in Larry's mind, Larry maybe already is president.
	Maybe Larry's hanging out with Eric Swalwell, President Swalwell.
	Is he like a Stacey Abrams?
	Is he, you know, like he has the office he thinks he should have?
	He's hanging out there in the performative politics, bad.
	I'm Larry Hogan.
	Yeah, a lot of people are going to vote for that guy, right?
	He's about as exciting as this table.
	Yes.
	Don't insult my table.
	Thank you very much, Barron.
	Table's nicer than Larry Owen.
	We have so few days left.
	We had the founder of Trafalgar on with us, Robert Cahill.
	Robert's great.
	Robert is very impressive.
	Best polling company out there after Rasmussen sold his company.
	Why did you do that?
	He said 35-40 seat win, two-seat majority in the Senate.
	Do you think that's underplaying, overplaying?
	Where are you at?
	I know 30 days is a long time.
	I'm shooting for a 50 seat pickup.
	Really?
	Wow.
	And probably a two to three, maybe four.
	Because if you look at the Senate, Oz is very close now to start to take over Fetterman.
	Yes.
	I think that Herschel is going to fight through and he's going to be fine.
	Good.
	Blake Masters had a robust debate, great debate yesterday against Paul Kelly.
	Yes, we have a clip.
	Really smacked him around.
	Bulldog doing great against Hassan.
	Vance.
	You've got Vance in Ohio.
	I think it's pretty much a done deal.
	Yep.
	You've got Laxalt in Nevada.
	And then maybe even Smiley in Washington.
	Wow.
	Tiffany Smiley.
	So you could see Republicans defend Ohio and Pennsylvania.
	That's two.
	And then I just, you know, that was five potential pickups.
	But even if you defend Ohio and Pennsylvania and only pick up Blake Masters, Herschel, and then either Hassan...
	If it is a clean sweep House and Senate, when do they ditch Biden?
	in Washington, that's robust. - That is robust. - That's a big time. - And then we got 20 seconds left.
	If it is a clean sweep, House and Senate, when do they ditch Biden?
	When do the Democrats throw him under the bus? - As soon as humanly possible.
	You know what?
	I think he's gonna be hanging on to the bus for a long time.
	I think he tries, still tries, to find a way to run.
	What?
	And I've said that to you consistently.
	I think that he's a pretty stubborn old guy.
	He doesn't know what year it is, but he likes the medicine of the White House.
	You know, stupid goes with stubborn, right?
	You know, like a donkey.
	It goes together.
	And I'm up against the clock here.
	Hillary, please tell me she's running.
	I hope so.
	We need Crooked.
	We need Crooked because we need to see her beaten again by our former boss.
	He's the Baron.
	He's Boris Epstein.
	Borisdp.com.
	Follow him everywhere.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Welcome back, dear friends.
	You know what the coolest thing is?
	When one of your in-studio guests walks out and the other one's already in the green room and the one who's waiting says, that was fascinating.
	That analysis you did about the election.
	Our next guest, Gordon Chang, was impressed.
	Well, that's because we have the best guests, and I can't wait to have Gordon in studio as well.
	But first, let's talk about what the Baron mentioned.
	Absolute destruction yesterday.
	Blake Masters and the Mark Kelly debate.
	The Cut7.
	Listen to how it's done.
	He's the 50th vote in the U.S.
	Senate.
	Joe Biden needed his vote.
	Mark Kelly, a year ago, could have dug his heels in and said, Mr. President, I'm not supporting a single thing, not a single spending bill, not a single piece of your agenda.
	Unless and until we get border security.
	Biden would have had to secure the border.
	Mark Kelly, if this is the result of Senator Kelly being focused on the border, my gosh, he's the most ineffective and worst senator of all time.
	He said, I'm focused on the border.
	Yeah, right.
	The Kanye interview, best part from the Kanye interview is when he told the truth about the abortion mill industry and who Margaret Sanger is.
	I can't squeeze any more clips in.
	Let's do at least cut four.
	It's a genocide of the black race.
	They want to kill us in any way they can.
	Planned Parenthood was made by Margaret Sanger.
	A known eugenics with the KKK and I believe that if we saw ourselves as more as we saw ourselves as a people and not a race then we would treat our people better.
	Margaret Sanger the known eugenicist lauded by the Nazi Party in Germany sat there in that interview with an ultrasound of a fetus around his neck of an unborn baby.
	God bless you Kanye.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Mike, California, Second Amendment Friday, line two.
	Dr. G, how are you, sir?
	Good.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	I have two firearms questions.
	Number one, how's the trigger on that Hellion bullpup that you acquired?
	Better than you expect.
	So all bullpups are a little bit challenged because of the long trigger bar that the bullpup design requires.
	But Springfield Armory did a good job.
	So it's better than a squishy AUG trigger.
	So not bad at all.
	Second question.
	Yes.
	Mr. Moon was there today.
	Perhaps you could talk to him about building a Magnum.
	Say that again?
	Building a what?
	A MAGA Magnum.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Stay on the line.
	I love that.
	I love that.
	MAGA Magnum.
	I love it.
	Let's give Mike a signed copy of The War for America's Soul.
	Dave, Arizona, welcome to America First.
	I have to thank you for all the swag you've sent me, Dr. G.
	I was the best-dressed guy at defeating the reset with Charlie Kirk, Poso, and Admiral Bannon.
	And I imagine I'll be the best-dressed at the Mesa Rally here with President Trump on Sunday.
	So excited.
	I'm glad to hear it.
	But don't just call in about all the America First gear you're wearing.
	Send us some photographs so we can put you up on the screen.
	And don't call him Admiral Bannon.
	He's more modest than that.
	He's just a patriot.
	But stay on the line.
	Let's get your phone number and your email so you can send us those photographs so we can post them.
	This is America First, next in studio, none other than Gordon Chang.
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	by Ben Thede It's the one I learnt to know intimately when I was in the White House, and it is the CCP, the Communist Party of China.
	We'll discuss what it means to you with Gordon Chang.
	We'll discuss what it means to you with Gordon Chang.
	We'll discuss what it means to you with Gordon Chang.
	We'll discuss what it means to you with Gordon Chang.
	We'll discuss what it means to you with Gordon Chang.
	We'll discuss what it means to you with Gordon Chang.
	We'll discuss what it means to you with Gordon Chang.
	Gordon Chang.
	China is one of the freest.
	China is one of the freest.
	China is one of the freest.
	China is one of the freest.
	On the side of the U.S.
	Constitution, America first!
	I love long-form radio.
	The man who taught me to love it so much, whose show I was on for years and years, is the great John Batchelor.
	And today we've got a treat for you.
	You've got two very, very special guests in the third hour.
	Stephen Turley, Professor, PhD, Stephen Turley, on the rise of the West.
	Why the good guys are winning.
	And I don't just mean in Italy or in the UK.
	But all over Western civilization.
	And this hour, a man who is indefatigable in his fight against totalitarianism.
	A man who I rely upon for my understanding of what I came to see as the greatest threat to America today.
	And that is Communist China!
	Gordon Chang!
	Welcome in studio!
	Thank you, Dr. G. It's great to be here.
	We always rely upon you to tell us what's really going on.
	And when we heard you were coming to The Swamp, we said, get him in studio.
	And your boss was very kind to make sure that happened.
	She's downstairs working the phones, as they say, keeping Gordon's contacts well informed.
	The Twitter is Gordon G. Chang.
	The website is Gordon Chang.
	The book is The Great U.S.-China Tech War.
	Let's start where I think is most obvious, the saber-rattling of nuclear weapons with the Kremlin, the mobilization of forces of conscripts for the first time since 1945.
	Yesterday Biden used the word The phrase Armageddon to talk about how Putin is serious about a nuclear war.
	I don't buy it.
	The KGB colonel is not insane.
	He's not suicidal.
	He's in a tough place after nine months of the Ukraine bloodying his nose.
	But how does China fit into all of this?
	How does China, their military pretensions to Taiwan, have they been given pause for thought?
	Are they making money off Russia?
	Tell us how the real threat fits in.
	Yeah, China, first of all, they've been very happy.
	They've been buying a lot of commodities, so they've been financing Putin's war, but they've been getting those commodities at a discount.
	So, when you have oil prices up as high as they are, China actually likes this.
	But the other thing, though, is we've seen Beijing go all-ins to support the war effort.
	Remember, on February 4th, Putin went to Beijing.
	They issued that 5,300-word joint statement, no-limits partnership.
	And they really mean that because we've seen the Chinese diplomats be put in service of the Kremlin.
	Chinese propaganda outlets have been amplifying Russian disinformation.
	China's been putting its financial system at the service of Russian institutions.
	When Visa and Mastercard said no more business inside Russia, China instantly said, happy to help you!
	Union pay.
	And also, the Russian banks that have been kicked off of SWIFT, I mean, they now have access to China's version of SWIFT, which is SIPS.
	And also, the Chinese have been supplying military information to the Russians.
	This location data from the Chinese-made drones that Ukraine operates.
	China's been giving that data to the Russians.
	The Russians have been taking out Ukrainian drone operators.
	Is this...
	An amount of support, a quality of support that you think is enough to keep Russia where it needs to be to grind Ukraine?
	Or are there limits on China because they need some of these resources for themselves?
	So far, you know, the Chinese have been keeping the Russians in the war.
	I mean, if it weren't for Beijing, I don't think that Putin would be able to continue for as long as he has.
	He needs all sorts of things that Beijing supplies.
	But the most important thing, Seb, is almost like moral support.
	Five days ago, the Chinese were amplifying these Russian threats to nuke the world.
	Now China has on its own threatened to nuke the world, but you know, you have these propaganda outlets supporting Putin, you know, carrying forth this narrative that the Russians are actually serious.
	So Beijing is behind that to amplify that message.
	But their designs on Taiwan, have they been given pause for thought?
	Because we have this meeting between Xi and Putin before the invasion that clearly was kind of, hey, I'm about to do this, Xi, are you okay?
	And were they planning to do something and now they're thinking maybe twice?
	Well, I think, first of all, I think that Xi Jinping did green light the invasion of Ukraine.
	I, you know, a lot of people in this town will say, well, you know, the Chinese saw the heroic resistance of the Ukrainian people.
	It's given China pause.
	Actually, I don't think that's the main message.
	The main message has really been the failure of deterrence.
	You know, you have, for instance, You mean the failure of the Biden administration to deter the Russians from invading.
	Remember, you got to put this in context.
	Last, go back last August, you have the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.
	The Chinese make a lot about that in their propaganda.
	And then in February, what's really fascinating is you have the United States, the 27 nations of the European Union and Great Britain together have an economy 25.1 times larger than Russia's in 2021.
	And yet we failed to stop Putin.
	That is one of the greatest failures in American diplomacy.
	So the Chinese look at that and say, well, you know, if the Americans are so incompetent with regard to Ukraine, they're probably going to be incompetent with regard to Taiwan.
	Let me let me drill down on this.
	So let's red team.
	So that that U.S.
	Army concept where you try and think like the enemy.
	When the war kicks off and some nations decide to robustly support the Ukraine, especially the British, the Baltic states and Poland, and Poland says, we have Soviet-era equipment, we have MiG-29s that the Ukrainians know how to fly, we are happy to, quote, we have MiG-29s that the Ukrainians know how to fly, we are happy to, quote, donate them to Ukraine if America backfills and First noises out of the Department of Defense, oh, absolutely, we'll do that.
	And within four days, the Biden administration, the State Department, with the arrogance of an almost post-colonial sense, say, we don't think the Ukrainians need those.
	So, you know, we know better than the people who are actually fighting what they need and they renege on the deal with Poland.
	In terms of quote-unquote American leadership.
	How does how does Beijing look at that 72 hours?
	You know, and it was not only the Pentagon.
	I remember Blinken, the Secretary of State, actually said, yes, this is something we're going to do.
	I think they look at Biden and say, Biden was intimidated by the nuclear threats of Putin, and so therefore Beijing.
	It worked.
	So that's really been a bad deterrence message.
	When Biden took nukes off the table, then Putin said, of course I'm going to invade.
	And that has been the lesson for China.
	The other lesson that China got from this is that the sanctions, yes, they've hurt Russia, but they haven't stopped Russia.
	And China is thinking Western sanctions Even if they dare to impose it on me, you know, great China, they're not going to stop me from doing whatever I want to do.
	So I think those are the lessons that China has taken away from the war.
	They're not the lessons that we want them to take away, but it's the lessons that in fact they have taken away.
	It's not what you want.
	It's the facts on the ground.
	And that's why we listen to Gordon, the author of The Great U.S.-China Tech War.
	You've got to go to GordonChang.com.
	Gordon, when it comes to Taiwan, is there any mystical, magical moment?
	Is there any trigger?
	When is Taiwan really in danger or is it going to be just this eternal brinkmanship?
	A couple things here.
	We don't know timing, of course, but we also know a couple things, and that Xi Jinping, the Chinese ruler, has said Taiwan is not a problem we can pass down generation to generation.
	Wow.
	So essentially what Xi Jinping is saying is that we have to do it before I leave the office of General Secretary.
	In my generation.
	It's got to be my generation.
	So, that's one thing.
	Now, that, when he leaves, we really don't know.
	He's not that old, is he?
	He's 70, sorry, he is 71 or something like that.
	He is?
	68, 69, 70.
	Around there.
	And I have to ask, all these reports that there was a coup and he's gone.
	I laughed when I saw these.
	What do you respond?
	Well, there wasn't a coup.
	Something happened though, Seb.
	And the reason is, they cancelled 60% of the flights in China.
	Now, the Chinese airspace, that was September 21.
	Chinese airspace is controlled by the Chinese military.
	So for something like that to occur, We don't know what was going through the minds of the military.
	Could it be COVID-related?
	Could it be something else?
	Could be a dust storm, could be COVID-related, but not 60% of the flights in China.
	Also, on that very day, they cancelled bus and high-speed rail traffic in and out of Beijing.
	Now, I don't know why they did that.
	See, this is why he's not a swamp creature.
	Nobody in Washington who's a swamp creature ever says, I don't know.
	They just make it up.
	This is a man who actually has integrity.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	That's a very un-DC thing, Gordon.
	The point is, these things don't happen in the absence of high-level infighting in Beijing.
	But the level of, you know, China's become less and less transparent.
	So everybody, except for very few people in the world who are on the inside in Beijing, we just don't know what's happening.
	And we know less and less as time goes on, because the system is becoming more and more opaque.
	Well, not what we want to hear, but we have somebody who helps us cut through the fog.
	You've got to follow him on Twitter.
	Gordon G Chang.
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	An enigma wrapped in a mystery.
	Well, I think you'll add a fifth and fourth layer to what is China today.
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	S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A store.com The Pelosi card.
	We're working on it.
	Yeah, mic's on by the way.
	The other thing, you mentioned the guest following me is going to talk about how the West is rising.
	That's absolutely true.
	And the reason is, communist states, we have unsustainable systems, always do well during periods of general global prosperity.
	Because they're carried by the tide.
	When things get really bad, only strong societies survive.
	Societies in the world don't take it from me.
	That's from Global Recession.
	Let's talk a little bit about courageous people.
	And it's just, I don't know why, except there's some commercial interests who would like to diminish You know, in 2008 they decided not to have a downturn, so they have the biggest stimulus program in history.
	They get through it, but right now their economy is exhausted.
	And all these stories of these absolutely gargantuan ghost towns and ghost cities, these are true, right?
	These are true, yeah.
	They overbuilt.
	Unbelievable.
	They overbuilt because people in China don't buy apartments to live in.
	They buy them as stores of value.
	So like gold coins.
	An American will buy a gold coin or a share of stock or something.
	The Chinese buy an unused apartment and they don't want tenants.
	But why do they do that in a country that has controlled population growth and had the one China policy?
	I mean, it's kind of like, do they not think the demographic mess they're in?
	Well, they don't think about that because the regime doesn't talk about it.
	But the one thing, though, is because of the currency controls, it means that they can't invest in stuff outside.
	It's a limited option.
	So they're trapped.
	And if you don't want to go into the Chinese stock market, which a lot of people don't want to be in, then there's only so many asset classes available.
	That's why you have all these apartment buildings built.
	Nobody lives in them.
	And the owners don't want people to live in them, because if someone lives in them, it decreases the value on the resale.
	I mean, it's a completely insane system.
	Except there's some commercial interests who would like to diminish the relationship.
	They're getting better over time.
	I mean, just when Lydia and I first went to Shanghai, we were in a modern building.
	Within a year and a half, two years, the big cracks in the wall.
	I mean, huge cracks in the wall.
	In Shanghai.
	In Shanghai, yeah.
	And this was a brand new apartment building.
	So, every generation apartment buildings get better, you know, as they go on.
	But we were there in 96.
	And you should have seen some of the stuff that was built before we were there.
	I bet.
	Is the clip good now?
	Yeah, we've got it.
	You want to see it?
	No, I'm good.
	And then I'm going to tee up the Extortion 13 again.
	The carry?
	Mighty Oaks.
	Oh, Mighty Oaks.
	Okay, so that's cut for The Mother.
	Do you want to come in with Pelosi or no?
	No.
	Okay, you'll tee up that cut then.
	Mighty Oaks.
	Alright, 50.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The This is Second Amendment Friday on America First with Dr. G. Do you remember that awful story, Extortion 17?
	The SEALs, the helicopters shot down or we don't even know what really happened in Afghanistan.
	One of the SEALs prepared for his death with a letter to his loved ones and I want to play it to you for a very special reason.
	Play cut.
	These are his last words, written 13 days before he passed.
	If you are reading this, things didn't work out the way I planned.
	I'm typing this up because I'm too lazy to write it out by hand, and that way I can change it when I need to.
	Where to start?
	Okay, my life was short, but a great one.
	If I died doing something with the teams, then I died doing the greatest job in working with the most talented, hardworking, and the greatest group of warriors ever to walk this earth.
	I've made more memories and had greater experiences than ten normal people.
	Put together.
	Most people get to choose.
	Don't do it suddenly next time, just nice and softly guys, okay?
	Nice and softly when you put it out.
	That's a man who died doing what he wanted to do.
	Being a warrior for this nation.
	And you can celebrate that and we can memorialize it.
	But what do we think of those who are servicemen and women who die at their own hand?
	We have three times as many veterans have killed themselves since 9-11 than died in action in Afghanistan or Iraq.
	That's a horrific number.
	Twenty-two a day.
	Four of them are active duty.
	Four every day.
	That number should be zero.
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	How do we get it as close to zero?
	Well, we fight to help them fight their internal demons, their post-traumatic stress.
	We support organizations like Mighty Oaks that has a group of ranches across America where active duty and veterans can go with their families free of charge for faith-based counseling and find some tranquility and peace and learn to live again at home in America.
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	God bless every single one of you who is helping those who stood on the wall for our liberty.
	Gordon, let's unpack because really it seems like we just have an emperor of the CCP, a communist party that is run by a guy that's changed the quote-unquote constitution to give him, you know, power for life.
	Who is Xi Jinping?
	What is important to know about his prior political evolution, what he's done in the party and his style of leadership?
	This isn't a Mao.
	Who is this?
	He's someone who reveres Mao.
	Someone as a teenager actually studied Mao.
	And he believes that China should rule the world.
	He's been very clear about this during his term as General Secretary of the Communist Party.
	So he's not just a careerist.
	He believes that this is the civilization that should run everything.
	Absolutely.
	One of the first things he did when he became General Secretary was he went down to Guangdong Province, which is the province that surrounds Hong Kong.
	He gave a secret speech to cadres and said, why did the Soviet Union fall?
	He said the Soviet Union fell because Gorbachev was not a quote-unquote real man, that the Soviet leaders failed to adhere to their ideology.
	So he's very ideological.
	And during his 10 years, we have seen him reimpose totalitarian controls, and we have seen him bring the state back into the economy.
	So this has been a reversal of all those policies that made China extremely successful.
	he proposes these ideas and pushes them of Tien Xia, or All Under Heaven, that Chinese rulers have the mandate of heaven to rule Tien Xia.
	And it's not just that they have the right to do it.
	Xi Jinping believes that they have the obligation to do it.
	So throughout his writings, throughout his speakings, he's been talking about this.
	And before he became General Secretary, he was sort of subtle in the way that he promoted this.
	So for instance, he was responsible for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing.
	The motto for the Olympics was One World.
	And everyone thinks, oh, that's very nice.
	One world means... One Chinese world.
	One Chinese world.
	Right.
	But having come to power, he has become less subtle about it.
	He's been more open.
	And we start to see these phrases like community of common destiny, which again, it goes back to this one world.
	That's Orwellian.
	That is Orwellian, especially when we see what Xi Jinping has been doing.
	But remember, this guy's also a monster.
	So for instance, we don't know 100% where COVID came from.
	I think it came from a lab, but we don't know that 100%.
	But there's something 100% we do know, and that is once this disease got out into the Chinese population, Xi Jinping did two things.
	He first of all lied about contagiousness.
	He told the world it was not.
	Matter of fact, he told the Trump administration a number of times, his subordinate officials told the Trump administration, don't worry about COVID-19.
	This is not readily transmissible human to human.
	And while he did that, he was locking down China.
	Now, lockdowns are controversial, but by locking down China, he was telling the world, I think this is an effective way of stopping disease.
	And then he pressured other countries, including the US, not to impose travel restrictions and quarantines on arrivals from China.
	Right.
	So while locking down domestically, he seeded the world with COVID by allowing foreign travel.
	By pushing it.
	Yes.
	So you do that, and you lie about contagiousness.
	There's only one conclusion, and that is 6.5 million people who have died from COVID outside China, according to Johns Hopkins.
	Each one of those is a murder.
	And that includes the 1,060,000 or so Americans who have been killed by COVID.
	We can argue about the numbers who have died.
	No, but the point is, it's a conscious decision.
	What he did was a conscious decision.
	So he's a monster.
	Yeah, we only have a minute left in this segment, but I need to ask, how does corruption fit into this?
	Because if he's ideologically pure, how does the business interests, the massive corruption of the leading families, is this something he shuts one eye to, or is this ideologically strained?
	His family is fabulously wealthy.
	Now he's used corruption and he's had these anti-corruption campaigns, but he only prosecutes those who are politically opposed to him.
	You can assume that virtually every Chinese official is corrupt, because that's the nature of the system.
	But he only prosecutes those who oppose him.
	So this has really been a political purge, not an anti-corruption campaign as we would think of it.
	All right, we're talking to Gordon Chang.
	The Twitter is GordonGChang.
	The website is GordonChang.com.
	The book is The Great China, The Great US-China Tech War.
	We're going to continue the discussion.
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	Yeah, keep the camera open. keep the camera open.
	Okay, just one more.
	I'd love to talk about that.
	You know, Warren Buffett used to say, you never know who's swimming naked until the tide goes out.
	- I've not heard that.
	- Oh, you hadn't heard?
	Oh.
	- No, that's good.
	- So, I mean, that's really, that's what's happening.
	- No, but it's such an obvious point, but-- - People forget about it.
	- Yeah, that when everybody is doing well, decrepit regimes profit from the government.
	Absolutely.
	You can't see the decrepitude.
	Right.
	But when you have a 2008 or you have a Wall Street crash, well, guess what?
	The inflexible systems without innovation, they get hammered three times as hard.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Massively important.
	Massively important.
	Demographics.
	Talk to me about demographics in China.
	It's almost the end of Chinese society because they're 1.41 billion now.
	Within 45 years, two Chinese demographers said they'll lose 50% of their population.
	What?
	Yeah.
	And what about having all the gays marry Russian women in Siberia?
	Well, they have to do that because they don't have women.
	But is that going to work?
	No, it's not going to work.
	By the end of this century, I don't really know, but China could be a third as populous as it is today.
	It'll be about 500 million.
	That means it's a little bit more populous than the U.S.
	because we'll be in the 430 range, maybe.
	We could even be more, especially if there's more immigration in.
	But China will be less populous than Pakistan, will be less populous than Nigeria.
	What about mortality?
	What about health?
	What is the health?
	Just assuming that they're the same as everybody else.
	Their total fertility rate, you know, this is the average number of children per female of childbearing age, they say it's 1.3.
	That's incredibly low.
	But in reality it's somewhere between 0.9 and maybe 1.1.
	So it's nowhere close to 2.1.
	maybe 1.1.
	So it's nowhere close to 2.1.
	There's no point, nowhere close.
	Wow.
	So that means, you know, you just do the arithmetic.
	So they lose half their population 45 years, maybe earlier.
	And what is the official policy now?
	Is there any limit?
	Three child.
	Three?
	Three child policy.
	Went from, at the end of 2015, it was one child, then they went to two, that didn't work, so they then went to three, which it is now.
	But people are not having children.
	The Communist Youth League published a survey about six months ago which said 44% of urban Chinese women have said that they will never marry.
	The reason this is important is that in China, if you're not married, you can't get a birth permit.
	You need a birth permit to have a child.
	So, 44% of urban women have just taken themselves out of the population.
	And why would they say that?
	Is that an ideological decision?
	Is that a financial?
	What is that?
	It's what we see, first of all, in East Asia.
	You see the same thing in, for instance, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan.
	They're done with Confucian society.
	I think part of it is pessimism about China.
	So you put all that together, you get these incredible numbers.
	There's just no way that they can get to, you know, keeping themselves in place.
	Thank you.
	China is one of the freest societies in the world.
	Don't take it from me, that's from Freedom House.
	It's a strong democracy, courageous people, and it's just, I don't know why it is, except there's some commercial interests who would like to diminish the relationship.
	I still don't know if that was a senile moment, a moment of Biden brain farts for Nancy Pelosi calling China one of the freest nations on God's earth or whether she meant Taiwan.
	I have no idea.
	We know somebody who has the truth.
	What is China today, Gordon Chang?
	Because it's not the China of communism under Mao.
	It's not Stalinist like Romania or Bulgaria.
	If you go to certain pockets, you see I mean, the biggest Mercedes dealership in the world is in, I think, Guangdong province.
	So, give us some descriptors.
	How do we understand this enigma?
	What is it?
	It's actually going back to Mao.
	Because Xi Jinping, he actually believes in a state-dominated economy, and that's why he's been attacking not just foreign companies, but he's also been attacking domestic Chinese private entrepreneurs, especially the tech companies.
	Alibaba was only the most famous.
	He's going after other ones.
	So it's a mindset that he doesn't believe in the private sector.
	And this is a real... Despite the fact that he's a multi-multi-million billionaire or whatever.
	Yeah.
	He doesn't believe in it.
	You know, throughout Chinese history, every once in a while, Chinese rulers believe that their society cannot withstand foreign pressure and they close it off.
	So China has badges of modernity like high-speed rail lines and stock exchanges and tall buildings, but it's not a modern society.
	And what Xi Jinping is doing right now is he's slowly closing off China from the rest of the world.
	He would close it off faster if he could, but obviously there's other people who have a say.
	But how, I mean, you look at Japan tried this with the Meiji dynasty.
	This never leads to a good place.
	Are these people ahistorical in their understanding of globalization?
	They're totally ahistorical.
	For instance, Mao Zedong did the same thing.
	The Bamboo Curtain.
	Disaster for China.
	The Ming Emperors did this.
	This famous, you know, they had the world's biggest navy, the Treasure Fleet, went everywhere.
	And then they destroyed it.
	And they destroyed the plans.
	Because they didn't want the outside world coming into China.
	And they didn't want China going outside.
	Does this, you can't psychoanalyse a nation or a civilisation, but is there something to do with an inferiority complex here?
	That they don't want to be sullied by a civilisation that they see as secretly better than themselves?
	You know, that's a great question.
	There's a couple things going on.
	Because it doesn't seem logical.
	Yeah, that would be a logical way of looking at it.
	I think, though, remember, it's not the Chinese people.
	The Chinese people, they don't want this if they couldn't, you know, and they don't have the means to get rid of the Communist Party, so they just sort of go along with it.
	You know, typical human reaction.
	This is the mindset of a Chinese leadership, which is not only generally insecure because it is totalitarian, but it just also is a little bit Chinese and we've seen this pattern in Chinese history.
	So you add that to the communism and you get a very, very strange regime.
	So I can't psychoanalyze it, but we can see it.
	One of the things we discussed in the break here is the shocking demographic challenge.
	Russia is losing 600,000 people a year, dying more than are being born.
	That sounds like peanuts to me when you talk about China.
	So talk about the ramifications of the one-child policy.
	It's now a three-child policy, but people are not having three children.
	They're not even having two children.
	Many are not having one.
	China claims, and it's probably right, something like 1.41 billion people today.
	Two Chinese demographers last year said, look, our country is going to lose half its population in 45 years.
	China will be half the size in two generations.
	And by the end of this century, it could be, well, maybe a third as populous as it is now.
	In other words, it'd be a little bit more populous than the United States.
	This is the steepest projected demographic decline in history in the absence of war or disease.
	So, I don't know how China's going to navigate this, because no society has ever gone through this.
	Is this another reason why China is all the more dangerous?
	Because if you're in a demographic tailspin, you tend to not be very rational.
	Right.
	And also, remember, Xi Jinping's form of diplomacy, his idea of diplomacy is intimidation.
	You can intimidate everybody if you're the world's most popular state.
	You can't intimidate it if your country's falling apart.
	And it's not just demographics.
	That's a long-term, slow decline.
	Right now, they've got a contracting economy, a plunging currency, the property prices are falling.
	Worsening food shortages, the environment is giving out, and then they can't do anything with COVID-19, which is just ravaging Chinese society.
	So you put all that together, Xi Jinping thinks, closing window of opportunity, I think.
	Because that's the way I would approach it.
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	Thank you.
	Go ahead and start recording again.
	So when's the next book, Gordon?
	You've got to write a book again.
	I'm not writing books.
	Things change too fast.
	Is that your excuse?
	And I'm sticking to it, yeah.
	No, no, it's just, it really changes very fast right now.
	You could write a book about certain things, but they wouldn't be timely things.
	I mean, I did those two booklets.
	You can turn those out quickly.
	Was that for Kimball?
	Who did you do that for?
	Was it Encounter?
	No, who was it?
	The two booklets are Encounter.
	The two real books are Random House.
	Random House.
	Very nice.
	I would like to write another book, but I just can't because there are too many things going on and I want to talk about current events.
	Well, you're a busy bee.
	I see you all the time on Fox.
	I see you everywhere.
	It runs in cycles, so yeah.
	But it's an important way to talk to a lot of people.
	Do you teach?
	No, don't teach.
	There is a Gordon Chang who teaches.
	I mean, we get confused.
	There's a Gordon H. Chang who's a Stanford professor.
	Oh, so that's why you have the G.
	And that's why I use G.
	Otherwise, I wouldn't use my mineral initial.
	But I do it so people don't say, oh, you're the Stanford professor who loves China.
	I love China, but I don't love the Communist Party.
	Right.
	So we get confused.
	But anyway.
	He is interesting.
	He gets upset, actually.
	I don't know if it's the same professor, but my son's close friend at Stanford.
	Was in a class on Chinese thought or Asian thought.
	And the professor was talking about the phrase wrong think.
	One of the students at Stanford stood up and said, that's a great idea, wrong think, we should promote that here in America.
	And you go, yep, that's Stanford.
	That is Stanford.
	Scary stuff.
	It is.
	Very much so.
	I know the Confucian Institutes have rebranded.
	Are they less powerful than they were here in America?
	Are they on the back foot or are they still punished?
	The situation is sort of confused right now because they're being tossed off and they're coming back in a different form, rebranding.
	I don't know exactly how that's going to work out.
	I worry about the Confucius classrooms.
	Those are in the secondary schools.
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	I've got to play this and then we'll get to the big question of Western civilization, vice communism.
	Gordon, this is John Kerry, the climate czar on China.
	What can be done about China, their seeming reluctance to participate in affairs of climate control with other nations?
	Well, China, Mike, China, interestingly enough, China has a plan.
	They put a plan in place.
	We think they could be doing more.
	But China is going to be building more electric vehicles, will be put on the road over the next year or so in China than in all the rest of the world put together.
	So, Frankenstein's answer is correct.
	China does have a plan for climate change and it's to build, what is it, you know, another hundred coal-powered stations every single day and to keep polluting.
	Talk to us about how China profits from Western virtue signaling when it comes to worshipping the climate.
	Well, they build solar panels with slave-enforced labor.
	Marath minerals that are toxic.
	Marath minerals that they have.
	But step back and look at the Paris Climate Accord.
	Under that deal, we have given China an incentive to pollute more because they said that they would cap, quote-unquote, around 2030.
	They made one other promise about energy intensity, which was pretty easy for them to beat.
	So effectively, this is a pollute-the-climate deal.
	And it's a free pass.
	It's a free pass.
	And, you know, when John Kerry says, well, they plan to build more electric vehicles.
	Yeah, but they have been putting more and more carbon into the air.
	And he doesn't talk about that.
	So when he says, yeah, China has a plan on climate.
	Yeah, it's to really pollute more.
	You know, you just can't make up John Kerry.
	I mean, you can't as he jets around the world in his his private non electric plane.
	Did you see Jeff showed me this electric plane they tested last week?
	It flew for eight minutes.
	Yeah, that's that's what like a mini transatlantic voyage.
	Eight minutes.
	Okay, we're having great chats in the breaks, you and I, Gordon, and I talked about our next guest, Stephen Turley, who's written extensively on Western civilization.
	He's an optimist.
	He says Western civilization is finding its feet again, whether it's the Trump phenomena, Brexit, Giorgio Maloney in Italy, He's very, very, very optimistic.
	You said something fascinating about authoritarian regimes in times of prosperity and what happens to them in times of economic crisis.
	Would you expand upon that with our millions of listeners on radio?
	With prosperity, even unsustainable regimes can do well.
	And that's really been the story of Russia and China and even North Korea and Iran.
	But when times get tough, these regimes have a hard time sustaining themselves.
	Because they're inflexible.
	Because they're inflexible.
	As Warren Buffett said, you don't know who's swimming naked until the tide goes out.
	That's exactly what's occurring.
	And we are approaching a really desperate time in history because we have war which is spreading, but we also have famine for a number of reasons.
	Yes.
	coordinated recessions around the world.
	We've got one here.
	Europe is going to go through a very hard winter.
	China's in recession in reality.
	Of course, Russia is.
	So you put all this together, these regimes are not going to be able to sustain themselves.
	You know, the United States is self-sufficient in energy.
	We're self-sufficient in something even more important, which is food.
	So that's the reason why you're seeing strength in the dollar.
	It's not just the interest rates, hikes from the Federal Reserve.
	It's also because we are a safe haven.
	And we are going to one of those times in history where people will need a safe haven.
	There's no coincidence that people are trying to get into this country.
	And it's not just from the Central American states.
	It's from other places as well, because they need to find a safe haven.
	What happened so if there's as the child of those who escaped the communist regime my father was actually liberated from a political prison by revolutionaries if there's a real crash in China Is there any kind of nascent resistance, any class of Chinese Solzhenitsyns, or is it such a beaten down collectivist mindset that there is no counter to the regime?
	Has the regime totalitarian control at every province level?
	I think that throughout Chinese history, and we've seen this before, the most unlikely of characters have risen up and become emperor.
	It could happen again.
	Now, we don't know who it is.
	Remember, you know, you have Mao Zedong coming from nowhere.
	And that really is, I think, going to be the story of China, because someone will say, I can do this.
	And when the regime falls apart, it's at the top.
	It'll fall apart probably from the top because the regime will lose confidence in itself.
	What Xi Jinping talked about, Soviet Russia, where Gorbachev and others lost confidence in the system, that's going to happen in China as well because the system is in trouble.
	Is there any organic alternative?
	I know the underground house churches are quite, quite spread out.
	So is the faith community strong?
	Well, the faith community is strong, but it's not strong politically.
	We don't know the number of house Christians, especially house Protestants, but people put the numbers in the tens of millions, high tens of millions, could even be over a hundred million.
	You know, you can't count them.
	But what the Communist Party has found, they can't count them either, and they are deathly afraid of them because there's the fervor.
	When a house Protestant goes to church on Sunday, and they're there from 8 in the morning to 5 in the evening, and they leave in saying, I wish I could have stayed longer, that shows you who's stronger.
	But not politically.
	The regime does not like that.
	No, not at all.
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	-Status of the Falun Gong?
	How are they doing? -Not too well in China.
	I mean, I mean, they once were very strong.
	Right.
	But they've been pretty effectively repressed.
	They're effectively repressed.
	I mean, outside of China, they're doing fine.
	I mean, they really are strong.
	I mean, Epoch Times and T.T.V.
	They're very, very... They're actually getting more and more viewership and more readership.
	I know.
	Where's the epicenter outside of China?
	Is it in Asia?
	Is it here?
	No, it's actually, I think it's sort of New Jersey and New York, is my sense.
	You know, I think their spiritual leader was once in New Jersey.
	I don't know where he is now.
	But when you look at NDTV, they've got really big operation in New York, which is growing.
	They've got, I think, an office in Chicago.
	They've got maps in their studios about where they are, and they're pretty much all around the world.
	But I don't think that they really have big presences outside of the East Coast of the U.S.
	It's just my guess.
	Yeah, they seem to be quite successful when it comes to the media.
	Well, they've been doing very well.
	They've been getting more credibility.
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	All right, Gordon Chang.
	Don't take this the wrong way.
	You're an odd duck.
	Did you know that?
	Yeah, I mean, I've been on the outside of the mainstream of American opinion on China, but you know... I'm not talking about that!
	That's fine, that's fine.
	I'm talking about your persona in the social media universe.
	Because you don't just stick to what you know.
	You don't just talk about China.
	Every day there'll be a post like this.
	We embrace goodness.
	We celebrate life.
	We fight evil.
	Or one like this, that isn't about Xi Jinping necessarily, isn't about communist China.
	We protect our families.
	We vote.
	We fight.
	We are strong.
	We never give up.
	When I see, oh, I'm just getting a text right now, bumped up on my thing, Charlie Kirk, love Gordon Chang.
	That's live from Charlie Kirk.
	How's that for an endorsement?
	That's great.
	So tell me, why do you do, because for me, God bless you, because when I see that, when I'm going through all this garbage on social media, and I'm looking for some truth, and then I just get this little energized Philip, I get this, gosh, Gordon's so right, we fight, we never give up.
	Why do you do that?
	Well, one thing is that, you know, people in democracies have sort of, they're hesitant to talk about evil.
	Yes!
	They don't!
	They don't talk about it!
	They used to!
	You look at Truman, you look at Adenauer, you look at de Gaulle, you look at Churchill, they talked about blessed liberty and evil enemies.
	So if you go back, there's been evil in the world, but now evil in the world is run by major state actors, China and Russia.
	And they have the ability to end freedom and democracy.
	I don't think they will, but the point is, we in free societies need to talk about goodness, we need to talk about what's right, and we need to talk about evil.
	We have to describe it as it is.
	We have to describe it as it is.
	And so I do that because I want to sort of buck people up, you know.
	But because it's what I feel, you know, it's sort of like, I just feel that.
	So, you know, my wife says, oh, no, you're not doing that again.
	She does?
	How dare she?
	I know she's downstairs.
	Lydia, how dare you do that?
	We love it when Gordon does that.
	I do it.
	It recharges my batteries.
	Never stop.
	Promise me in front of three million listeners, you will never stop doing that.
	I will never stop that.
	All right.
	See, this is the American spirit.
	This is Western civilization.
	It's what Rush Limbaugh said just before he died.
	We love that cut.
	He was being asked, when is it time to despair?
	And he said, it's never time to despair.
	It's un-American!
	And we will continue that discussion, the rise of Western civilization, with none other than Dr. Stephen Turley on The Manhood Hour next.
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	Welcome dear friends you are listening to the manhood hour with me your host Sebastian Gorky and we've got a very special guest for you today.
	Somebody who understands why we are the greatest civilization the world has ever seen and the role of men and lots of toxic men in that civilization.
	He is Dr. Steve Turley.
	Steve welcome back to America First.
	Oh, it's great to be back with my favorite baritone.
	Thank you, Dr. Sepp.
	Alright, we're going to have a lot of fun today.
	It's going to be serious, but we're going to have some fun to begin with before we get serious.
	I'm going to be very rude now.
	If you were a female, if you had XX chromosomes, I would not be asking this question because I am a gentleman.
	How old are you, Steve?
	I think we're of a similar vintage.
	How old are you?
	I'm 53.
	Well, of course, you're the best vintage.
	Best vintage of all.
	I'm 52 in two weeks time.
	So almost brothers from a... I know, I know.
	As a result, I think your childhood was probably shaped by similar influences as mine.
	And here's one of them that I enjoyed immensely.
	Oh, it was nothing, really.
	But old Mr. Pietro, posing as the doorman, sure had us fooled for a while.
	It was me that caused Charlie to go out of control.
	I don't think robots should work where children come to have fun.
	Zoinks!
	That's Gray Fox!
	The mastermind of an international smuggling ring.
	We suspected Mr. Fong was the leader of an international smuggling ring.
	We sure thank you, kids, for unraveling this smuggling mystery for us.
	That is of course just a couple of clips of the unmasking of the mastermind, the criminal genius in one of the Scooby-Doo cartoons.
	Why do I mention that?
	Because I'm sure you watch Scooby-Doo as I did.
	You can say a good Zoinks as I can.
	But now we have the news that one of the characters is a homosexual.
	Not The Onion, not Babylon Bee, not satire.
	I bring this up because you are an expert on Western civilization.
	Isn't this another pathetic assault on our civilization, even if it's just a cartoon to turn Velma into some gay icon?
	I always knew it was Velma.
	I knew, I knew it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It is sad.
	It is sad.
	And it is, I think, you know, I'm just going to cut to the chase.
	I think people have had it, you know.
	I'm actually wearing my funny little truck Trudeau shirt right now.
	I love it.
	Kill the Chiron for a second so we can see it.
	Go back to the sandwich thing.
	A truck Trudeau.
	I need one of those T-shirts.
	So you think people have had enough, Steve?
	They do.
	I just did a video on the rise of Canadian populism with Pierre Poliev and Maxime Bernier, and Trudeau's poll numbers are the lowest they've ever been.
	There's been some fantastic articles coming out saying wokeism by its nature shatters society.
	It splits society apart into just total insanity, and it inevitably alienates At least half the country, and that's one of the explanations for the massive populist revolt we're seeing all over, either within a nation or like we see with Poland and Hungary, against woke forces outside the nation.
	All right, so that was just a fun little clip to tee up our discussion.
	I've got some questions I need to ask you that I ask all of our Manhood Hour guests, whether it's Jack Carr, the author of Terminal List, whether it's one of the founding members of Delta Force.
	Number one, is masculinity in the West in trouble, Steve?
	It is, big time.
	So what we have to understand is We are living in a time where everything that our forefathers assumed to be true for literally thousands of years has been overturned.
	Our modern world just doesn't see The human person in the same way that our forefathers saw them.
	I'm talking literally our founding fathers and their founding of a republic of virtue, but going back to Christendom or going into ancient Indian civilization, you name it, Chinese civilization, Japanese.
	There was a sense that the human person represented a permanent part of the human person, and that's because the human person participated in culture, and at the heart of culture is cult.
	And I'm not talking about people knocking on your doors trying to get you to worship a head of lettuce or anything.
	I'm talking about the Latin cultus, which meant worship.
	And culture, historically, always began in the fount of the eternal, in some way, shape, or form.
	Culture by its nature embodied the permanent things that defined our humanity, that defined what it meant to be truly human, and then gender roles were all a part of that.
	In Western civilization, gender roles have been pretty astonishing because we fully recognize the inordinate strength Uh, and special role as head of family, as it were, of the man, and a, dare I say it, a subordinate role of the woman.
	She wasn't supposed to go fight the war.
	She wasn't supposed to go kill the giraffe.
	You name it, whatever it was.
	I don't know how giraffes just got into Western civilization there, but you get the point.
	But what we did is we were able to affirm that, on the one hand, at our best, we were able to affirm that, but also at the same time affirm the absolute equal essence Amen.
	men and women.
	And we find that in the Christian theology of the Trinity.
	The Son, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Son subsumed himself, as it were, to the will of the Father, offered himself up as the sacrifice for the world in obedience to the Father.
	But he never, ever in classical Trinitarian theology, he is never equated as being what we call ontologically subordinate.
	The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are absolutely equal in their divinity.
	And that translated into chivalry.
	The medieval conception of silver, where we get our sense of manhood from.
	Yeah, and the relationship between the sexes and the role of protector and so forth.
	Now, you are the perfect person to ask because you've done so much work on what Western civilization is.
	I'll just mention a couple of the texts you've written.
	New Nationalism, You've written The Return of Christendom, and you've written Beauty Matters.
	So, let me cut to the chase.
	In that assault on manhood, which is a building block of our civilization, where has the most damage come from?
	There's so many likely, you know, usual suspects to choose from.
	It could be the assault on marriage, the decline of the church, Hollywood, new wave feminism.
	If you had to pick the most deleterious Assault vector on manhood, which would you choose, Steve?
	Oh, I well, given given both of our backgrounds, I'd have to go right to the university.
	Yeah, I have to go to the Yeah, the Frankfurt School, the university, we have to remember because of the GI Bill, You know, everybody was going to the universities after World War II.
	So the university just became this sort of cardiovascular system that just pumped out this insanity.
	And what happened in the university is there's some really good studies on this.
	We abandoned Western civilization, the liberal arts, as our unifying focal point, and then we left a vacuum of values.
	And the vacuum of values got filled with cultural Marxism, when all's said and done.
	And then that cultural Marxism has spilled out into all the professions, into the media, into our politics, into art and entertainment, you name it.
	And everyone now is breathing it in like some toxic filth.
	Yeah, one of the best texts, short texts on that topic is Victor Davis Hanson's Who Killed Homer.
	Who killed Homer, absolutely.
	Strongly, strongly recommend it to all of our viewers and listeners.
	Also, Andrew Breitbart's book, Righteous Indignation, Chapter Six, is a life-changing chapter.
	It maps out the Frankfurt School and everything else.
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	All right, Steve.
	I'm working through the questions I have to ask you because this is the Manhood Hour.
	You've said the university is the locus of the assault.
	It is the epicenter of the assault on masculinity.
	Let's start with your definition.
	What does it mean to be a man?
	Put it into the context of Western civilization.
	We've mentioned one thing, chivalry, The role of the protector.
	What are the various modes, the modalities, the characteristics of the man that the left wish to destroy?
	One of my favorite ways of thinking of manhood is going back to the classical word virtue.
	Virtue actually comes from the Latin vir, which means manhood.
	To be a virtuous person is to be a true man.
	And what was a virtuous person?
	Well, back in the day, a virtuous person is one who has attained a balance in the three aspects of their soul.
	The ancients thought of the soul in terms of a logos, the intellectual part of the soul.
	A pathos, which was kind of the emotional and appetitive nature of the soul.
	But we all know the appetites can take over the mind.
	We know the mind can rationalize anything if you're attracted enough to it.
	So what you had to do is you had to try to get your appetites and your mind in sync with each other.
	And you knew that happened by virtue of what they called your ethos, and that's the way you live.
	By your fruits, you shall know them.
	And for every single man, you were expected to develop four virtues out of that balance—wisdom, moderation, justice, and courage.
	It didn't matter who you are.
	You could have been a king or a pauper.
	It didn't matter.
	A true man Needed to develop wisdom, which was a sense of understanding all the parts in the world as how they relate to the whole, kind of a cosmic conception of life.
	You had to apply that to yourself, that's moderation.
	You had to apply that part to the whole to society, that's justice.
	But, and this was what I think made the ancients so perceptive, the most important of all virtues was courage.
	Because without courage, you didn't have the fortitude Fight for and defend the other three.
	And that, I would argue, is really the defining nature of a man.
	A man is one who's not afraid.
	A man is one who does what is right, even when he's afraid.
	And when we stand up and we defend what is true, good, and beautiful, we are fully fulfilling, I believe, our masculine pull.
	It has been said that it is the last one, it is the virtue of courage that makes all the others possible.
	Are you disturbed by what we've seen in terms of a lack of courage in the last two years under the conditions of Covid?
	Oh my, yeah.
	Wow.
	That's a great question.
	Well, I mean, go back to Alexander Solzhenitsyn in 1978, the Harvard address, the world split apart.
	I had my students read that every year.
	His very first critique of the West—everybody thought he was going to be critiquing the Soviet Union as a Soviet dissident, but he offered an equally scathing critique of the West in saying that the very first thing he noticed upon coming to the West was the disappearance of courage.
	Courage had died.
	The West, and so this is what?
	This is the Carter years approaching stagflation and the light.
	That period of the West was marked, he believed, by an absence, a lacuna of men who are willing to stand up for what is true, good, and beautiful.
	Can you imagine what he'd be saying today?
	For heaven's sake.
	So absolutely.
	We've we've lost and woke ism.
	Woke ism is an excellent time to recover it.
	Because wokeism operates, obviously, through intimidation and the threat of cancel culture, a kind of excommunication in many respects.
	And what's really pretty cool now is we're finding more and more men getting it and saying, you know what?
	We don't buy it.
	And they recognize they don't argue.
	It's not like you have to be fluent in the laws of logic to deal with somebody of the woke persuasion.
	They get triggered the moment you say, you know, true manhood.
	The moment you define what a woman is, they get triggered.
	And then the threats come and they get absurd.
	Jordan Peterson said it best, we're living in a time right now Where Western society is made up of two sides.
	One side, sort of the traditional side, certainly can be wrong.
	We can be wrong in all kinds of ways, I'm sure.
	I don't see everything perfectly, whatever.
	That's one side.
	And we all know that.
	Then the other side, they're definitely wrong.
	And they're definitely wrong because they've gone insane.
	They've gone nuts.
	They are celebrating the first black woman to ever get on the Supreme Court.
	At the same time, they're all instructing us, you cannot know what a woman is.
	That's insane.
	I'm so glad.
	I was trying to rack my brain.
	Who is courageous today?
	Can we think of examples outside of President Trump?
	And you mentioned one.
	I mean, Jordan Peterson is a definite example of what courage looks like.
	We're talking to Steve Turley.
	This is America First, the Manhood Hour.
	So here's a question, one of my favourite questions to all of our man hour.
	Manhood Hour guests, I've asked this of Jack Carr, General Boykin, now it comes to you.
	What have been the influences on your understanding of what it means to be a man?
	We've had father, grandfather, fictional figures in books.
	Jack Carr, he said, you know, the adventure novels he read were seminal.
	We've had a football coach for Pastor John Amon Shukwu.
	For Dr. Steve Turley, who was the special role model for you?
	Oh boy, that's a great question.
	And a heartwarming one for me too, because I lost my dad when I was 11.
	So that was a terrible age to lose your father.
	Up until that point, absolutely him.
	And my paternal grandfather as well, his father.
	who survived past him, obviously.
	Very, very influential.
	And so it's interesting you ask that because in many ways my life has always been in search of a father figure since.
	So I was a musician, I studied classical guitar and the like, and I ended up getting into heavy metal bands And I think one of the reasons why I got into heavy metal band, they were all older.
	They were all like four or five years older than I was.
	I was 14.
	I was playing with a bunch of 18 year olds.
	This is pretty good on lead guitar.
	And, but I found that I had a kind of brotherhood of Of semi-men around me, and masculine guys, because back in the day, heavy metal was hardcore.
	Yeah, heavy metal, not a lot of blue hair in the heavy metal bands, right?
	No, no!
	No, they are, especially in the 80s, they were men, and the vast majority of the fans were men, and then it got all commercialized and all fell apart, but yeah, you got it.
	And then when I started taking classical guitar seriously, my teacher Manuel Borrego, one of the great classical guitarists in the world, teaches at Peabody Conservatory of Music at Bounds Hopkins.
	I studied with him for eight and a half years and he really took me under his wing.
	He wasn't just my teacher, he was my friend and very much a mentor to me.
	And since then, it's been a lot of just, you know, I love, I've always found GK Chesterton to be somebody who quoted by Georgia Maloney.
	Yeah, yeah, you got it.
	I love and she does it.
	I was in Verona when I was seeing her and she quoted it in the Italian.
	It was interesting to listen to the GK Chesterton in Italian.
	He just had this wonderful way of expressing things in an astonishingly chivalrous sense, and in a whimsical sense, and always made you just sit back and go, wow, now I see reality.
	He's been referred to as the apostle of common sense.
	So he helped to train, I think, my logos very well, my mind, C.S.
	Lewis as well, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, talk about courage.
	And I think, and then just the great saints of old of the Church, I'm a very Orthodox Christian, so I'm very up on the saints of old, and they embody and exemplify what true virtue looks like.
	And they enable, they remind us that we never ever have to fear the one who can kill the body but can't touch the soul.
	That's right, that's right.
	You have to be in fear of God, but in fear of no man.
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	Part of being a man is speaking the truth, and speaking the truth publicly, as well as behind closed doors with your friends.
	But publicly, as far as I'm concerned, the most important speech given by my former boss And yes, I had a hand in shaping it.
	I'm not the speech writer, but Steve Bannon and I shaped the context of the speech.
	It's the one he gave in Warsaw, at the site of the Warsaw Uprising.
	And this is the most important line from that speech, and it ties directly into our discussion of manhood and man's role in Western civilization.
	We have to remember that our defense is not just a commitment of money.
	It is a commitment of will.
	Because as the Polish experience reminds us, the defense of the West ultimately rests not only on means, but also on the will of its people to prevail and be successful and get what you have to have.
	The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.
	Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost?
	Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders?
	Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?
	That's the only question, whether we have the will to defend our civilization from those who wish to destroy it.
	Dr. Turley, Steve, when it comes to standing up to having that will, when it comes to the next generation, What is it that we, as grown men, have to impart to the next generation, to our sons, our nephews, our mentees?
	What are the most important things we can share with them so that we don't lose our civilization?
	What a beautiful question.
	What comes to my mind is the ancient old sense that we did not choose this time, this time chose us.
	We did not choose this time.
	God, in all of His providence, decided at this moment He wanted us here.
	We were the ones He chose to face this battle.
	And that's what we say to our boys.
	We look at them in the eye and say, you didn't choose me, you didn't choose your mom, you didn't choose your parents.
	That's the beauty of the family.
	The family is really the principal institution where we learn That's why, by the way, liberals want to destroy it.
	But it's the principal institution where we learn that we are obligated to people and places and civilizations and inheritances and beliefs that we did not choose for ourselves, but that chose us, and therefore have a right to shape Douglas Murray was just writing about this.
	and obligation to that.
	We live in a very ungrateful time.
	This is the heart of resentment politics.
	This is the heart of wokeism.
	There isn't a shred of gratitude to that.
	Douglas Murray was just writing about this.
	I was reading on the plane, his book, The War on the West, and he contrasted those two dispositions, one of resentment and hate and jealousy, and the one of gratitude.
	And that's what Christmas is about.
	That's what Easter is all about.
	That's what Thanksgiving, that's what all our cultures, customs and traditions are ultimately about.
	The awakening of gratitude, the awakening of thanks.
	And when we have that disposition, it becomes very easy to stand up and defend.
	But it sounds to me, and I really, you know, a man with your training, your background, your PhD and your expertise in philosophy and history, I do not want to put words into your mouth, but it sounds to me as if you're talking about something more than gratitude.
	You're talking about the duty that results from and is connected to gratitude.
	Is that fair?
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Because And I think the gratitude naturally wells up into that.
	When I'm grateful for something, I protect it.
	It's something worthy of my It's something worthy of my giving of myself.
	Gratitude is a recognition that something has been given to me that awakens a comparable disposition that I can give of myself to it.
	Again, wokeism and the whole Frankfurt School, they wanted to destroy all of that.
	They want to get rid of all of that.
	I forget who it was.
	I was interviewing Olavo de Carvalho, the great Brazilian philosopher.
	God rest his soul, he just passed away.
	He was an expert on the Frankfurt School, and I remember him telling me—I can't remember—he used to tell his students, his goal was to teach his students to sexually amuse themselves rather than pray.
	He didn't want them praying, he wanted them sexually amusing themselves.
	That's got to be Marcuse.
	I just wrote something down and I'm going to give you credit but this is why we have these discussions for these gems.
	Listen to what Dr. Turley just said.
	Listen to what Steve just said.
	When I'm grateful for something, I protect it.
	That is, that is crucial to what's happening to our civilization.
	If you are grateful for something, you have a duty, you have an obligation to protect it, not to watch as it is being destroyed.
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	All right, here's the $64,000 question.
	Sorry, I do not have a prize to give you if you provide the right answer, although there is no right answer.
	Well, there is if you're an American, there is a right answer.
	Dr. Steve Turley, are you an optimist or you are a pessimist about the future of manhood in America?
	Oh, I'm an absolute optimist.
	And it's hard.
	I do.
	I get it.
	We both do.
	I know we both share the same opinion.
	Absolute optimist.
	They can't win in the end.
	There's a built-in futility to this wokeism, to this secular insanity we're living in.
	Yes, it's a dark, dreary winter.
	As C.S.
	Lewis described Narnia under the White Witch, it was always winter but never Christmas.
	And no gratitude, in other words.
	No, absolutely.
	It's hard, but it is going to fall.
	It can't sustain itself.
	It's gone insane.
	And insanity is simply the precursor to its own demise.
	Now, how much destruction they end up doing in the process, that's a legit question.
	We're very, very upsetting to see all the kinds of destruction that we're seeing.
	But in the end, you know, we've built from ashes before, and oftentimes that's when we see some of the most noble civilizations rise.
	The great news is right now we're in a demographic revolution.
	We've talked about this before.
	Eric Kaufman at the University of London has documented it in his 2013 study, where when all is said and done, conservative religious, particularly conservative Christians in the West, are having lots of children, and secular liberals have stopped.
	They've basically stopped having kids, and COVID made it even worse.
	It reminds me of that incredible, it was a Monty Python, but it was actually the BBC interviewing a female Archbishop of the Church of England saying, saying, Bishop, there's a problem in the Church of England because your parishioners aren't having babies.
	And this woman actually with a straight face looks into the camera and says, oh, that's not a problem because we find that intelligent people have less babies.
	Yeah, that's how dumb you are.
	Your faith is going to die out and you're going to be saying, well, but our IQs are higher.
	All right, that was far too much fun.
	As I say on my show, with regularity, we will win.
	Why?
	Because the other side's fuel is hatred.
	Hatred eventually destroys that which carries it.
	Our fuel is love.
	Love of family, love of God, and love of our nation.
	God bless you, Steve Turley.
	Read his books, follow him, and subscribe to him now on YouTube.
	As ever, it's Friday, which means we must end our show, the Manhood Hour, with my former We will not bend.
	We will not break.
	We will not yield.
	We will never give in.
	We will never give up.
	We will never back down.
	We will never, ever surrender.
	My fellow Americans, our movement is far from over.

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