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Because our democracy was on the ballot.
Our planet was on the ballot.
Everything was on the ballot in this election, more than in regular...
Majorities come and go.
It is on the ballot.
You sounded a little bit like you're talking in the past tense, if you don't mind me pointing that out.
We've still got more than a month to go.
Yes.
The polls still aren't reflecting necessarily what you're saying.
Do you believe in the polls?
No, let me just say, I said was on the ballot, past, when people decided to run.
Okay.
And now they, here they are, doing very well in their districts.
Does she even know when the election is?
Does she think the midterms have already occurred?
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
Welcome to America First on the Salem News Channel.
So much to discuss with your amazing in-studio guests as well as Lord Conrad Black in the second hour and the former Deputy National Director of Intelligence Kash Patel.
But first, a story that I wanted to share with you yesterday that involves somebody I know The Deputy Director of the FBI.
The letter has been released to the public on the firing of Peter Stroke, the Deputy Director of the FBI for Counterintelligence, that is one of the Essential key players in the Russia hoax.
A leading deep state actor.
And the letter, well it's important for many reasons.
Number one, it gives you a peek behind the curtain of what was going on inside the FBI.
And the language that is used is also very, very enlightening.
It's signed by Deputy Director David Bowditch.
Bowditch was actually a student of mine in the FBI.
I was actually with David the day of the San Bernardino jihadi attack as I was in California to lecture the FBI actual fusion center, including the FBI on ISIS.
And he, since then, has risen to the Lofty Heights of Deputy Director of the FBI.
As far as I know, based upon the evidence I have, he's one of the good guys.
So listen to what he wrote back in August of 2018 to Peter Stroke, one of the FBI lovebirds that was at the center of the Russia collusion assault against President Trump.
Dear Mr. Stroke.
Interesting, right?
Because he's a mister now that he's been fired.
I have reviewed the decision of Assistant Director, Office of Professional Responsibility, following your appeal, in which you proposed a 60-day suspension and demotion.
So Peter Stroke didn't want to get fired and lose his pension.
He just wanted to be suspended for two months.
I reviewed the relevant material to include the assistant director's letter proposing you for dismissal and many of your text messages with Lisa Page.
The FBI lovebirds.
They were both married at the same time and they were having sex with each other and they were texting their little love notes about smelly Trump voters in Walmart on their government Telephones!
Yeah, that's how smart these deep staters were.
I considered the Douglas Factors, that's a legal regulation, the Douglas Factors drafted by the Assistant Director of the Counterintelligence Division, your role as one of the most senior counterintelligence agents in the FBI, and finally, I considered the long-term damage to the reputation of the FBI.
While there is no doubt your 21 years of service to the organization cannot and should not be erased, it is difficult to fathom the repeated, sustained errors of judgment you made while serving as the lead agent in two of the most high-profile investigations in the country.
That was, of course, the Crossfire Hurricane Operation against President Trump's campaign and prior to that the Hillary email investigation.
As an organization we are entrusted to investigate high-level public officials regardless of party affiliation.
If we ourselves show personal bias or demonstrate a lack of objectivity that trust can be lost.
Our ability to be objective, no matter which party, candidate or officeholder is in power, must be beyond question.
Candidates and officeholders will come and go.
But the FBI must be steadfast in its resolve to find the truth, regardless of our own personal leanings or beliefs.
So good so far.
Though the Office of the Inspector General found no evidence of bias impacted any of your or the FBI's investigative actions or decisions, which by itself is utterly bogus.
Because he hated President Trump.
How can you investigate President Trump in an unbiased fashion if you detest the man?
Your sustained pattern of bad judgment in the use of an FBI device, meaning texting his paramour on an FBI device, Has called into question for many the decisions made during both the Clinton email investigation and the initial stages of the Russia collusion investigation.
In short, your repeated selfishness has called into question The credibility of the entire FBI.
Well done, Peter Stroke.
Let me read that again.
In short, your repeated selfishness has called into question the credibility of the entire FBI.
As I considered all the known facts associated with the adjudication of your case, it was difficult to imagine another incident like yours which brought so much discredit to the organization.
In my 23 years in the FBI, I have not seen a more impactful series of missteps which called into question the entire organization and more thoroughly damaged the reputation of the organization.
Wow.
I hope his eyes are watering at this point.
In our role as FBI employees, we sometimes make unpopular decisions, but the public should be able to examine our work and not have to question our motives.
In your adjudication, I removed all the politics, pundits, commentary, and the media from reporting the decision point which I must address.
Decision point?
Come on.
Really, David?
Don't use that Washington garbage jargon.
It's a decision, not a decision point.
When I strip away all the noise, I am left with the facts, an extremely damaging impact to the organization, which will take years to overcome.
As deputy assistant director you were expected to be a leader who was beyond reproach and set an example not only to your direct subordinates but others throughout the organization who watched and observed your behaviors and actions.
You failed to do so repeatedly and put your own interests above the interests of the organization.
Here's the weirdest sentence.
It's the last sentence.
Though it pains me to do so, it is for this reason that I am dismissing you from the roles of the FBI.
Sincerely, David L. Bowditch, Deputy Director, FBI.
David, if I may call you David, since we've sat in the same FBI vehicle together.
Why does it pain you?
Why does it pain you so much?
You just said you're 23.
I know you've been a Marine and then 23 years with the Bureau.
You've never seen this much discredit done to the organization by anyone that brings the whole FBI into disrepute and it pains you to fire him.
You should have kicked him on his backside out of the front door.
But here we have it.
This is a guy who goes on book tours, who gets speaking gigs.
This is all the proof you need.
Assistant Director of the FBI, Peter Stroke.
I am Sebastian Gawker.
That is a piece of evidence that we're going to file away.
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Do you have the equity cut from Kamali yesterday?
All right, ins and outs.
We'll be back with Michael Duran after these messages.
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All right.
He's in studio.
We're supposed to have a steak dinner.
I gotta organize that.
And a couple of cigars.
We're so delighted from Project 21 to have none other than Horace Cooper with us.
Welcome, my friend.
Good afternoon.
It's always a pleasure to come on the program.
Because there are always people who are making news for us to comment on.
Absolutely.
Including the Vice President of the United States who thinks emergency aid provision should depend upon your skin color.
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It is our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions and impacted by issues that are not of their own making.
Absolutely.
And so we have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place.
That grin at the end, it's just creepy how she says, she puts her fist up first, the Vice President of the United States, we fight for equality but we've got to do the equity thing because not everybody starts at the same place.
That's a crime as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not a lawyer.
That's my first observation.
I've got two.
First observation, that would violate the law.
It's not only unconstitutional, it also would violate the Civil Rights Act and a host of other provisions that say that the government may not predicate the provisioning of its services based on your gender, based on your nationality, based on your race or any other facet about you.
And if those laws didn't exist, the U.S.
Constitution would prevent her from doing so.
What we're talking about is creating FEMA assistance based upon the Woolworth-Luncheonette counter model.
Yes, absolutely!
And that's my second observation.
If this could ever be implemented, It would be remarkably dangerous.
Let me explain something.
In a normal society, whenever there are services that are offered by the government, you as a citizen may choose to participate.
You may choose not to participate.
They have hoops that they want you to jump.
Fill out this form.
You must be a resident.
All these kinds of hoops and you may decide you don't want to and just ignore it.
In a disaster, When your very life creations, all of your assets, your home, everything, your car, has been destroyed, you're not making a negotiation with government.
And anything that government might demand of you, you have no choice but to capitulate.
A government capable of withholding Some of the neediest assets in your time of emergency is a government that would have unbelievably inordinate power.
What she said is, not simply, oh when it comes to welfare, oh simply when it comes to health assistance, as a general proposition, we're going to start discriminating.
That's illegal.
No!
When you are at your most vulnerable, She wants the government to be able to force you.
I will admit, I am a bigot.
I discriminate.
I am internally racist just because of who I am.
That's what you'd be willing to do when you're caught in this most vulnerable position.
Shame on our Vice President and shame on the media for not calling her out for attempting to exploit the differences that may exist among us by actually threatening people at their time of need in this way.
The thing that I find most disturbing from that one clip, Horace, is she's not on teleprompter.
She's actually talking from the heart and she smiles.
I mean, so this is fully internalized ideological viewpoint.
She isn't making it up as she goes along or reading a script somebody else gave her.
She says, yeah, equality is great, but we need equity!
That's my point here.
Let's pretend, because what she said wasn't qualified.
Yeah.
Wasn't qualified.
So let's pretend we were talking about the transportation bill.
Then we could talk about how it's illegal.
Then we could talk about how it's unconstitutional.
What she wants to do is this across the board idea Even in the context of providing life-saving assistance.
A government capable of deciding what you think internally and forcing you to confess to things as a predicate for receiving assistance is totalitarian.
What she represented there was a totalitarian impulse.
When we're talking about the provision of food, of clean drinking water, of shelter in a hurricane, and it will be predicated on where you were on the socio-economic ladder to begin with, or what your skin color is, it's just wrong.
Or your willingness to admit how Sinful!
How wrong you are!
How you need to be abased!
It is a totalitarian... I used to call it latent totalitarian instincts.
It's not so latent anymore.
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We're going to continue the discussion.
Very interesting clip from a former Fox colleague of mine you don't want to miss.
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So he's talking to the NSC Admiral.
Yes.
Take it.
We all know that this vaccine does not address any of the variants we're currently experiencing.
So therefore, this minimal positive to getting it now, which is why you guys don't even talk about it, to invest in our people and train them and then dismiss them for experimental vaccine is folly when you can't recruit.
Every one of your branches can't recruit their threshold, yet you're kicking out good men and women.
How do you explain that?
Well, look, Brian, first of all, the Navy did make their recruiting goals for enlisted personnel this year.
Yes, it's a tough recruiting environment.
We recognize that.
But it's also you have a requirement to be healthy to be able to serve.
And this is a valid military requirement.
You really think so?
And look, even if it doesn't prevent you from getting COVID, I'm double boosted.
I got it myself here just the last week.
Is that your decision?
It makes the symptoms a lot less severe.
It gets you back on duty.
So it's worth kicking out the healthiest people in our country who are already sacrificing?
It's worth kicking them out?
Brian, Brian, we would rather not lose anybody, of course, to the vaccine.
We'd rather not lose anybody from a retention perspective to have them leave the service earlier than they wanted or we wanted them to.
But it's a valid military requirement.
No it isn't.
This is an experimental vaccine that just came off the shelf.
You know it's not valid and it's a risk to our national security.
Alright, Jeff, I want you to get your headset on.
We're going to ask you to comment on that.
Mics are on.
Good, we talked about that and then... I also have the cover of his book, by the way.
Oh good, yes.
Can you put it up?
Okay, how Trump is making Black America great.
Are you writing a new one?
Yes.
Is it out?
Not yet.
Coming out Christmas.
Put you all back in chains.
How Biden's policies hurt.
Hang on, put it back, Eric.
Oh, go ahead.
How Trump is making Black America great.
I'll put that in Skyron for this segment.
I sent him an image of it.
The cover.
Oh, you got it?
Is it online?
It is not.
Okay, Jeff, can you look for the cover that Horace sent you of his new book?
And then put y'all back in chains?
Put y'all back in chains.
How Biden's policies hurt blacks.
And that's Christmas.
Yeah.
All right, good.
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I'll tee up the Kilmeade cut, and then we'll go to Horace.
All righty.
Got any titles in mind for?
For Duran.
70 seconds.
Why Putin won't use nukes.
Why Putin won't use nukes.
And then the A-block.
Stroke.
Did you send it or your assistant?
Did you send it or your assistant sent it?
My assistant sent it.
Tanner.
Assistant.
His name's Tanner.
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But, it's okay.
If they have it, they'll put it up.
Thank you.
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Talking of the FBI, did you hear what they did to our buddy Mike Lindell?
Three, three, because he's so dangerous, three unmarked FBI vehicles ambushed him at a drive-thru restaurant, demanded his cell phone from him, then gave him a piece of paper from the U.S.
Attorney saying, hey, don't tell anybody we took your phone.
What did he do?
He came on the show the very next day to tell us what the FBI were doing to him.
Let's have his back.
He is being attacked because he's a conservative and he's a friend of the presidency.
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Mr. G, what do you think of that kill me chappie?
I never know what box to put him in.
That's because he's back and forth usually.
Right.
He kind of goes in between, right?
Yeah, but sometimes he does some good things.
Sometimes he gets angry at BS, and he did with that disgrace to the naval uniform.
Former Admiral Kirby on Fox News talking about vaccines, and tell you what, Brian bought his A-game.
We all know that this vaccine does not address any of the variants we're currently experiencing.
So therefore, this minimal positive to getting it now, which is why you guys don't even talk about it, to invest in our people and train them and then dismiss them for experimental vaccine is folly when you can't recruit.
Every one of your branches can't recruit their threshold, yet you're kicking out good men and women.
How do you explain that?
Well, look, Brian, first of all, the Navy did make their recruiting goals for enlisted personnel this year.
Yes, it's a tough recruiting environment.
We recognize that.
But it's also, you have a requirement to be healthy to be able to serve.
And this is a valid military requirement.
You really think so?
And look, even if it doesn't prevent you from getting COVID, I'm double boosted.
I got it myself here just last week.
That's your decision.
It makes the symptoms a lot less severe.
It gets you back on duty.
So it's worth kicking out the healthiest people in our country who are already sacrificing?
It's worth kicking them out?
Brian, Brian, we would rather not lose anybody, of course, to the vaccine.
We'd rather not lose anybody from a retention perspective to have them leave the service earlier than they wanted or we wanted them to.
But it's a valid No it isn't.
This is an experimental vaccine that just came off the shelf.
You know it's not valid and it's a risk to our national security.
I'm surprised Fox let him use the phrase experimental vaccine on live television.
As we played that clip, Horace, you laughed when he said, it's a valid medical requirement, but I caught COVID after being boosted twice.
So if it's, if it's not vice president Kamala saying skin color is going to affect whether you got federal aid, how are they uniting us?
How is the, you know, uniter in chief uniting us by kicking Tens of thousands of people out of the military based upon vaccine status.
All right, so we're about a month and a half away from the biggest repudiation, politically, that this country has seen in quite some time.
And this is one of these examples.
You know, former President Trump was able to put into place what's called free to choose for your medical treatment, implicit in the freedom to choose is the freedom not to choose.
What this president has done is say about, and I am not a vaccine hater as a concept, not even this particular one, but it's not for everyone.
Everybody doesn't need the flu vaccine.
Everybody that is out there gets to go to their doctor and decide what they'd like.
You know what?
Maybe I could use a few pounds to lose, but we don't make me take a drug like Golo, which has supposedly really, really positive effects.
The vaccine for COVID is amazing for folks 70 years or older.
And we ought to encourage it.
We shouldn't mandate it.
We ought to have encouraged it.
People with comorbidities.
But if you are healthy, strapping, an athlete, maybe you're a football player, maybe you're a hockey player, maybe you're serving our nation and putting yourself on the front line.
I have seen with my own eyes people who have had almost immediate reactions that were worrisome or worse after taking it when they were not in that category.
And yet, as the data continues to develop, this administration won't even let people say, well, my creator doesn't want me to do this.
Well, too bad for you.
Get out.
That's totalitarian.
Yeah, the lack of any serious recognition of religious exemptions in the army is, in the armed forces, is an utter outrage.
We're going to discuss more of this with our special guests later in the show, but we're going to tell you right now, please follow this man and his colleagues at the sentryproject21 at, put the Chiron back up, Eric.
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Oh, and the book.
I've got to mention the book as well.
How Trump is Making Black America Great Again is his first book by Horace Cooper.
And then on top of that, we have the new book coming out Christmas, Put Your Back in Chains.
I can't wait for it.
We're getting back in studio for that.
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You're listening to America First with Dr. G. Was that yesterday, Eric, that we showed the Virgin Atlantic transgender thing, or was that Friday?
I can't even remember.
I think.
That sounds like a Friday topic.
I'm pretty sure that was Friday.
Wow.
We posted that insanity online, didn't we, Jeff?
We put the whole video on all our social media?
Yes, we did.
All right, if you haven't seen it, let's repost it right now.
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Let's stay on the topic of the FBI.
Brian from Green Bay, line one.
Hey, my brother.
Hey!
Yeah, Christopher Wray.
What do you think?
How come he's even in office anymore?
Well, because he works for the president.
Well, Trump should have fired him because the stuff that he's doing right now is... It's unbelievable, and I want your opinion on how you feel where we're going with the Justice Department and also The FBI, and where do you think we're going to be in the next, you know, two years?
Well, funny you asked that, Brian.
Today I launched my substack, which you get a buffer of this new platform that is uncensorable, uncancelable, and the opening piece is exactly about that.
It kind of leverages off that the Rose Garden incident when I was A challenge to a fight just outside the Oval Office.
And then I asked the question, why does that story so resonate with so many people?
People still talk about an event that occurred five years ago.
It's because I think people saw somebody who's prepared to fight and who's had enough.
And the question is, are you prepared to fight?
Have you had enough?
The establishment conservatives are, you know, Marquess of Queensbury rules.
The etiquette of the nation has to be Maintained, don't be rude, don't be gruff, no mean tweets.
My conclusion is very simple.
When they're sending two dozen armed FBI agents to raid a pro-life father's home because of a misdemeanor charge that was dropped, Then the FBI has become the Gestapo.
There's a reason that the most popular item on our website today, something that, you know, some of my guys said, hey, it's a little too edgy, Dr. G, is the FBI is Biden's Gestapo mug and t-shirt, Brian.
So, you know, the American people have spoken.
People understand we have a political police.
Now you're asking me to predict Predictions are a mug's game.
If I had a magic wand after the midterms, the GOP would strangle the FBI and the DHS in any areas that involve political persecution.
They'd tighten the purse strings and say, not a stinking penny for you until you stop persecuting Americans.
But I'm not in charge of the GOP, Brian.
I know.
I have two nephews that are actually FBI agents, and they're like the lower area.
And I cannot believe that the top area is doing this.
This is really, you know, it's getting to the point where, you know, we got to figure out how we get them under control.
And I think it's not just the FBI.
I think it's Justice Department as well.
Totally.
I mean, the FBI is part of the Justice Department.
I realized this when I was in government that the most corrupt... I mean, Obama corrupted all of the government from the IRS to the CIA, but as far as I'm concerned, the most corrupt den of vipers in US government is the DOJ that has just become a A political intimidation outreach arm, a group of thugs for the DNC.
Thank you, Brian.
Let's go to Stanley, Los Angeles, line two.
Welcome, Stanley.
Hi, Dr. Gorkos.
How are you doing?
Good.
I wanted to comment on the Vice President and her allocation of equity.
Yes.
The President, when there was a shortage for the therapeutics for the Omicron Treatment.
He also talked about equity and giving it out to distribution to to those in a lower level of society economically.
He did.
He did.
I also wanted to comment on your the vaccine people being kicked out of the armed services.
I think it's a deliberate act.
Is there no better way of identifying those conservative members of the army than those who have refused to take the vaccine?
And I think it's a way of really doing the purge without really having to have a phony reason to do it.
And when they're underserved, they're also talking about hiring foreign nationals to fill the vacancies in the army.
Well, we've always done that.
We've always done that.
We've always allowed foreigners to join.
No, but I think it's a deliberate act now to fill the vacancies because they know that The people who are homegrown soldiers are not going to fire on people.
Yeah, I think you're going a little bit far.
The idea that they're hiring foreigners because foreigners will shoot on Americans.
I don't buy that, Stanley.
Also, I don't buy that, you know, it is a plan to get rid of conservatives, that they want vaccines.
They want everybody vaccinated.
They're cowards.
They're totalitarians.
It is a positive side effect.
It is a benefit for them.
That it is the conservatives who are most likely going to resist on grounds of religious freedom.
But I think, you know, if they were strategic about it, they'd want an effective fighting force.
Why?
Because if push comes to shove, they want the military to protect them, the elite.
So some of this, you know, when you go too far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, Then you start to end up in, you know, illogical, contradictory end states.
So for them, it's just a benefit.
It's an additional benefit that accrues to them.
I'm not sure it's a big master plan from the get go.
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Yes, sir?
I'd like to talk about your piece in the Epoch Times about the 900-pound gorilla, but can we start with Russia and how it seems to be going, given that he's had to start the mobilization and everything else?
Sure.
There's nothing new today, is there?
No, nothing new.
Nothing new.
Just your strategic analysis.
I enjoy it so much.
I've just actually written something about that, so this would be timely.
Oh, perfect.
Where do you end up at the end of that piece?
I'm more optimistic than Victor Hansen is.
I think if we had in the West, it could be Orban, it could be Macron.
If they knew what they were doing, it'd be Austin or Blinken.
But I think something could be done.
Putin is staking out his position.
He's claiming all these four new provinces.
Well, that's nonsense.
Of course, he can't have all that.
But, you know, he could have a little something there.
And Zelensky's got to be told that we're not going to pay for more than that.
Victory is very, very bleak.
Very bleak.
Well, it is.
I mean, neither side wants it to end where it is now.
But on the other hand, everybody wants it to end.
So, you know, I think something could be done.
But we can get into that as much as you want.
Good.
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Oh, good!
Good, good, good.
I'll use that in the B block.
Sebastian, if you want it, I could send you my piece right now and you could read it when we have a break.
Perfect.
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Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
Thanks very much, Sebastian.
Before we get on to our first topic, we're going to talk about an article that is yet to be published with regards to the events in Europe and the developments in Ukraine.
It seems as if the White House has some problems with the narrative.
When things are going well, it has to be Biden's credit, and when things are going badly, you have to blame Putin.
This is a fun little clip from Karine Jean-Pierre.
Cut 10.
Play cut.
You said the president was responsible for gas prices coming down.
Is the president responsible for gas prices going up?
So, it's a lot more nuanced than that, right?
Peter, you know this.
There have been global challenges that we have all have dealt with, when I say all, meaning other countries, as well have dealt with since the pandemic.
There's been pandemic and there's been Putin's war.
And Putin's war has increased gas prices at the pump.
Dick Conrad, if it's bad news, it's got to be Putin's fault, correct?
That seems to be the practice, yes.
All right.
Well, let's get a little bit deeper.
We have the mass mobilization first time since 1945 for Russia.
We have the impending winter approaching.
And then, of course, the explosion of the Nord Stream pipeline.
There are those who think that there is a negotiated settlement, there is an off-ramp that we can provide Putin.
I know you've been discussing this issue closely with your fellow podcast colleagues Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
So what is your analysis of what could be done in the realms of the possible?
My analysis is a little more optimistic than Victor's.
I agree with him that neither protagonist wants it to end where it is right now.
But on the other hand, they both want it to end, and it's terribly onerous for both of them.
I mean, Ukraine is suffering casualties and terrible damage to the country, and it's being supplied weapons all right.
But no one wants a war going on in their own country for very long.
And in the case of the Russians, it's obvious there are terrible problems in the Russian armed forces.
There's a very high desertion rate.
There's great public discontent.
They have heavy casualties.
It's over 100,000, which would be more than 200,000 in the United States.
and and and Uh, and they're not getting anywhere.
And I mean, I think Putin has sort of set out his stall, and he would settle it if he could take the four provinces that he purports completely spuriously to have annexed with their approval.
But I think he could get something there if there was a real referendum, and you redesign the borders, sort of like congressional redistricting.
You manage to carve out something around the areas of people who actually voted that they would rather be Russian than Ukrainian, and you give him that, and that's all he gets.
And you tell Zelensky that you're not you, in this case, being NATO, is not prepared to pay for more.
But you get an absolute guarantee of Ukraine in its revised borders.
And this time, for the first of several times, all of the people guaranteeing Ukraine's borders, including Russia and all of NATO, have to honor their word.
I mean, in fairness to the Ukrainians, they've been promised this before, and nobody's paid any attention to it.
And in fairness to the Russians, which is not a cause that absolutely fires me with enthusiasm, but in fairness to the Russians, James Baker did say In 1992, at the time of the reunification of Germany, or 91, I guess it was 1990.
91, 91.
Yeah, you know, that NATO will not go one inch east of Germany.
And then came Poland, and then indeed the Bush administration, Bush senior administration, and the second Bush administration both flirted with the idea of Ukraine joining NATO.
So, I mean, what Russia has done is an outrage.
It's an act of aggression, and they've conducted the war in a manner that is in places contrary to international conventions.
But it's not as if they have absolutely no complaint.
They have a complaint, but it is not a complaint that justifies what they're doing.
So, I mean, I think, look, right now, Russia has a GDP smaller than Canada's, and it's paying its own bills here.
It can only keep China out of Siberia with its nuclear weapons, and its great Chinese allies buying gas from Russia at a knockdown price and selling it on at a profit to themselves.
Which is the exact opposite of lend-lease between the United States and Britain 80 years ago.
I mean, it's not much of an alliance, is my point.
Russia actually needs to end the war, but for both Russia and Putin himself, Really seriously need to salvage something from it so they don't look completely humiliated.
And that should be possible.
And the televised signing by Volodymyr Zelensky of accession articles from Ukraine to NATO, that was theatre and not very helpful theatre at that.
Do you agree?
Well, it was theatre.
Look, I can't blame a man whose country is occupied up to its vitals by an aggressive enemy in engaging in that kind of thing, but theatre's theatre.
And I think he's overplaying his hand a bit.
I mean, I understand why he's always calling for more weapons.
I mean, Ukraine's fighting for its national life, and it needs more weapons.
But on the other hand, he should have some sensitivity to the fact that the rest of us, mainly the United States, but all of us, all the major NATO countries, Germany, France, Britain, Canada, Poland, I mean, we're all contributing something.
And we've got other things to do with our resources.
It's not as if it's all a day at the beach for the rest of us either.
You say in your impending piece in the New York Sun that the Russian generals have proven themselves to be even more incompetent than Mark Milley.
That's the real problem for Putin, is it not?
That he thought this was going to be a relatively easy operation.
Yeah, I absolutely do not understand how they got it so badly wrong.
I mean, anyone could tell you that 150,000 combat soldiers cannot occupy a hostile country of 40 million, and particularly a hostile country that has an army of 200,000 itself and 300,000 semi-trained reservists who you could turn into an army pretty semi-trained reservists who you could turn into an army pretty quickly.
And there's no training school for an army quite as rapid and efficient as war itself.
And he obviously bought into the line that there was a kind of puppet faction in Kiev that would stage a coup, purport to be the government, and to welcome the Russians in.
And how he could have chinned himself on that idea, I don't know.
And it ties in with his justification, such as it was that he gave the Russian people in the world the night of the launch of the invasion, that he was doing it because Ukraine had no right to exist, had provoked Russia, and was a criminal government run by Nazis, and was a criminal government run by Nazis, including the Jewish Mr. Zelensky, and drug addicts.
I mean, the whole thing was just a textbook case on how to get everything wrong.
And the recent footage that we've seen on social media of families of Russian conscripts handing them, you know, parcels of food over the gate, over the fence of the military base, that probably doesn't work too well for his popularity, or does it not matter?
I I think it doesn't work well for his popularity.
You have to say the Ukrainians.
You're an old Englishman.
I think you went to an English school.
They played a blinder here.
He had a home run.
They distribute these cell phones to the Russian POWs and phone home.
And they treat the POWs very well, so it's a real temptation to the Russian soldier to just happen to become, you know, to be taken prisoner, so no one shoots at them, and they're well taken care of until the war ends, and then they can go home.
But honorable, they were honorable prisoners who went to serve, you know?
And the Ukrainians have really Played it very well, given that they were very much the underdog to begin with.
And as well as they have played it, and in that sense I'm not being cynical about the courage of the combat soldiers.
That's not a play, that's war and they've conducted it very bravely.
But in addition to that, the Russian high command, both military and civilian, have been absolutely stupefyingly incompetent.
And they've paid the price, including...
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Seth Lipsky, is that the editor?
Yeah, editor of the New York Sun, that's right, yeah.
Yeah, I think I... It's an internet site now, but pretty good circulation, good paper.
Yeah, yeah, I know that name.
I know that name.
Yeah, he was, I believe, Asian editor of the Wall Street Journal at one time.
And before that, I think he was the editor of the Jewish Forward, isn't that the Jewish paper?
Oh really?
Oh my gosh, okay.
And his wife, you might know, Amity Shlaes.
Yes, yes, of course, of course, that's why my wife is a huge fan of Amity's.
Yeah, she's very nice and a good writer.
She thinks a little more of Coolidge than I do.
The Forgotten Man, right?
Pardon me?
The Forgotten Man was the big book.
That's right, and then she wrote a biography of President Coolidge, which is a very good book, but I just don't think Coolidge was such a good president.
What's your difference of opinion on Coolidge?
He allowed the stock market bubble to grow and grow all through four years without doing anything about it.
He was an absolute isolationist, and he could have done a lot more to bring the U.S. into the world.
And he was too intractable about war debt.
death.
So he helped create the conditions for the depression.
And finally, I mean, anyone who sat through prohibition, I can't take seriously.
It had to be the stupidest law.
That blows my mind.
You know, as a teetotaler today, even despite that, the idea that a whole nation could do that in the 21st century, I find that stupefying.
Yeah, exactly.
And And of course they didn't do it.
I can get, you know, a county in West Virginia.
I can get, you know, one county in Tennessee or whatever, but the whole nation?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But not only that, instead of abolishing alcohol, they handed one of the greatest industries in the country over to the gangsters, over to Al Capone and people like that.
And the Canadian whiskey makers.
You're referring to Mr. Bronfman.
Look, he shipped them the product.
He doesn't actually illegally sell booze in the U.S.
I'll defend Sam Bronfman on that.
Of course, you're right.
I mean, he was a big producer.
Right.
Good.
All right.
We'll talk about... You did a good job reading my Ukraine thing while we were talking.
Multitasking.
Multitasking.
All right.
We'll talk about the Epoch Times one and the 900-pound gorilla.
There's one... Look, on the email...
The guardrail on one side, I think we saw when the entire judiciary at all levels, up to and including the US Supreme Court, refused to touch anything that could have overturned the apparent result of the presidential election.
There is no doubt.
And here I'm speaking in complete impartiality.
There's no doubt there were millions of so-called harvested ballots where there was no possibility to verify that the votes cast were actually, in fact, filled out by real voters with a right to vote and expressing their genuine opinion.
We don't know that.
We just don't know it.
And in an election where 50,000 votes flipped in three states could have given the result to Trump in the Electoral College, we know who won the election.
There's a president, he was inaugurated, and that's not going to be undone.
But we don't know who would have won if it had been absolutely fairly done.
In that sense, it's like 1960, when Mr. Nixon declined to challenge it, because patriot as he was, he thought it would be bad.
And 2000, when Al Gore did challenge it, he got to the Supreme Court of the U.S., Supreme Court of Florida, and then of the United States.
And effectively, the court said, with some dissent—it was five, and then two different types of dissent from the other four justices—a decision was that, in effect, There was not time to change things, and you couldn't re-consult one county or the whole state.
It would be unfair to the rest of the country.
And so the apparent result was the result.
And that is the guardrail.
The courts won't touch it.
So can we just stop there for a second?
Because you are intimately familiar with the judicial system in America.
And as an immigrant to this country, there's a line that was burned into my cerebellum by Mayor Giuliani when he was on the show.
And he said the following is, As one of the most successful prosecutors in American history who put the heads, the capo, of five Mafia families behind bars, he said, if even if I were a Democrat judge with Democrat leanings, I would be just curious as to what evidence
President Trump's campaign had found of election interference and I would at least listen to the evidence, but that didn't occur Why why were the courts almost to a man so reticent to even listen to the evidence?
Well, you know, I mean here we get into psychology and my guess at that.
I mean, we're all unlicensed psychiatrists is that The judges and the justices uniformly felt that if they got into that, they were playing with such dynamite that if the election result were overturned, the agitation for a reduction of the authority of the judiciary from its status as a co-equal branch would be irresistible.
And the Congress would be at the throat of the Of the courts, and the Supreme Court in particular, and it would cause absolute tumult and mayhem in the constitutional system of the country.
I mean, whoever won the election, there'll be another election in four years, but if you strangle the Supreme Court, you're not going to get it back as a co-equal branch.
So, I assume that's what the reasoning was.
Now, in some cases, it may have been blind partisanship, but that wouldn't have been the Supreme Court's reasoning.
The Supreme Court justices aren't Democrats.
No, no.
So where are we now, 18, 19 months later?
What is your level of confidence that it won't happen again?
Fairly good, because as I understand it, and now someone like Rudolph Giuliani would be a much better source of opinion on this than I am, but as I understand it, most of those six swing states have, and most Controversial and best publicized, Georgia have gone over the electoral laws, which were altered supposedly to facilitate voting during COVID, and have tightened them up in terms of verification.
Now, the Democrats have called this back to, you know, virtually to slavery, you know, to Jim Crow, and it's always utterly outrageous rubbish that Biden and the rest of them have been saying.
You know, it's Jim Crow to say that we don't want fraudulent voting.
I mean, you know, this is what we've done.
But most of them have addressed that, and I think the Republican Party is much, much better aware now of the danger.
And, you know, reading Molly Hemingway's book and so on, they are called rigged.
A very excellent book.
I recommend all your listeners read what really happened in 2020.
I think the Republican Party is much better prepared than they were.
I think it will not.
And again, we won't have a pandemic in the next election either to give people an excuse.
So I think the problem has been substantially addressed.
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All right.
Nicely done.
That was right on the money.
You know, I should tell you, I got a note today from the former president on that thing we talked about.
I mean, you know, the Andy McCarthy thing.
Oh, good.
Yes, yes, yes.
You know, I mean, he said he would use it.
Perfect.
Excellent.
Useful down there.
He didn't call you?
He just sent you a note?
He didn't call you?
He sent you a note?
He sent me a note, yeah.
Good.
Good, good, good.
Glad to hear it.
Yeah, poor Andy.
His book, Ball of Collusion, was so good, and then he just went off the rails.
Unfortunately, he's a trumpeter.
And he's just one of these highly intelligent people who on every other subject under the sun is good to speak with, delightful, good sense of humor, a good friend.
But when the name Trump is uttered, a trap door flies open in his forehead and a cuckoo bird flies out and starts screeching.
But the strange thing is that the Trump hatred is often a class thing, I find, and he's working class.
I mean, his family, I think, are cops, former cops, and so I don't know why somebody who, you know, can understand, you know, why the mean tweets are a Queen's thing, why he would take umbrage.
Yeah, I think it's not class in the traditional sense so much as Intellectual level versus the intellectual level imputed to Trump's followers.
So snobbery, not class, but snobbery.
Yeah, and Andy is a working-class family, but a highly educated lawyer.
And he thinks that anyone who would vote for Trump is someone you smell at Walmart, or reads the Bible too much, or spends all his time with guns.
And that's not true, of course.
There aren't 75 million of those people in the country.
But that's, I mean, George Will's example of that.
His grievance with Trump is he calls him a Bulgarian.
I know.
So what?
He was a good president.
Yeah, bingo.
Andrew Jackson and U.S.
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All right.
Got to jump.
Thank you, Conrad.
Talk to you soon.
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It is out and I've been banned from Fox News.
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What do you mean?
Because I did a book called Plot Against the King 2000 Bills.
They won't have me on.
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Oh my gosh.
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All right.
Well, I got to talk to you about the FBI first.
What are you working on?
What's the topic on the top of your list?
So, the two-tiered system of justice has entered the whistleblower program, the retaliation.
Okay, good.
We'll talk about that.
And what?
The big thing is what I call the Confidential Human Source Corruption Cover-Up Network.
Okay, CI cover-up.
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I love the haters who are saying I'm making money off this.
I'm setting up legal defense funds, paying for tuition assistance, helping veterans, and we've already helped active duty members who need financial assistance.
That's what it all goes to.
Love it.
FightWithCash.com.
But that's not the only thing he's doing.
He's got lots of rods in the fire.
We'll talk about his latest publication in a moment.
But first, I've got to ask you a question, unrehearsed.
Do you know somebody called David Bowditch?
Yeah, David Bowditch was a former deputy director at the FBI.
Alright, so I do too.
He was a student of mine at the FBI.
I like David and I read this whole letter that he used to fire Peter Strokoff at the top of the show and I'm going to read two sentences to you and maybe this explains a lot about the swamp.
Proviso, I like David.
He writes to Peter Stroke as he's firing him.
It was difficult to imagine another incident like yours, which has brought so much discredit to the FBI as an organization.
In my 23 years, I have not seen a more impactful series of missteps.
Then he closes it with this sentence after a page and a half.
Though it pains me to do so, I am dismissing you from the roles of the FBI.
Cash, why the hell should it pain him?
He should have been kicked on his backside out of the front door of the Hoover building.
When good guys say, ooh, I'm sorry, you're a scumbag, what are we doing?
Yeah, listen, I've known David Bowditch.
I think he's a good guy.
He's not one of the deep state swampers.
He performed his job as a deputy director in a tough environment, and he took it on when Chris Wray would not take it on.
So, you know, he's trying to stay above board with that last sentence.
But the thing is that the letter, that letter is the definition of what you call a nuke.
And it took us four, five years for that letter to be published because of all of Peter Strzok's appeals and Chris Wray's kowtowing towards the deep state.
But look at the facts in that letter.
They are basically spelled out in our Russiagate investigation and things like the Nunes memo.
And we put that letter on blast to everybody for free at fightwithcash.com.
Read it.
Read what Seb just read.
Because even if you are a deep stater who still thinks Donald Trump's a Russian asset, this letter was written after careful consideration and investigation by David Bowditch, a 25-year FBI man who could care less about politics and who put the facts out there.
He said pedestroke one man.
Did serious damage to the reputation of the whole FBI.
But you want to talk about whistleblowers.
We had Kyle Serafim on the show last week, FBI whistleblowers.
What's happening to the handful of people who want to tell the truth about the FBI cash?
The one thing that should never happen to whistleblowers, the one thing that the federal statute prohibits from whistleblower protection, which is retaliation.
And it's the very thing that Christopher Wray, the director of the FBI, went to Congress a month or two ago, stood up under oath.
And promise to senators and congressmen and women that there will be no retaliation for any FBI whistleblowers that come forward.
And what do we have just one month later?
Retaliation after retaliation against whistleblowers the likes that you've had on your show and the guys named Special Agent Friend who've had their guns and badges taken away from them.
Because they had the gall, the audacity to put out the truth about the FBI corruption as it relates to falsely padding domestic violence extremism statistics, as it relates to the Hunter Biden laptop, as it relates to Russiagate, as it relates to the politicization by Christopher Wray and the cover up of the corruption by these government gangsters. as it relates to the politicization by Christopher Wray and There's now a two tier system of justice.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
I am writing that down.
That is gold.
Government gangsters.
All right.
I'm going to use that.
I'm going to credit you.
We're going to talk about how they're using the CI network, the confidential informant to cover up their malfeasance, their plotting in the deep state.
We're going to talk about his new book as well in the meantime.
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Hey, the mics are still hot, but Cash, if you've got other guys apart from Serafin who want to do media, will you connect them with Jeff? - Yeah.
Yes, 100%.
I think they're too scared to talk to me, but if I can get them to you, that's a win.
If they're scared to talk to you, they'll be scared to talk to me, but if you can find a couple, that would be great.
So next we'll do that.
I'll talk about the book first, and then you'll explain this whole use of CIs to cover things up.
Got it.
Good.
Is the person who did the drawings for the book, are they in America?
Are they Americans?
Yeah, it's all Americans.
All Americans.
Wow.
You know, the crazy thing, the first book, we used two different artists.
The first book had to use a pseudonym because of the reprisals they were going to get for making a children's book about Donald Trump.
It's crazy.
It's like this bunch of Israelis that have published this Heroes series, I think, or the Brave Ones or something.
And it's everybody from, you know, Washington to Rush Limbaugh.
It's kids' kind of cartoon books.
And they had to use foreign artists.
Unbelievable.
Well, we're made in the USA.
All Texas, baby.
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Can you go full?
Can you give me full screen for a second?
Full screen, you?
Yeah.
And then zoom out a bit.
Alright, that AK isn't getting enough light.
Alright, alright.
Okay, go back.
And then, what were you asking?
Title for Black.
Oh, for Black.
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We talked about Russia in the first segment, right?
Are America's elections safe now?
I don't think so.
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I could appear in a medieval romantic picture book story, but I'm waiting for somebody to write one.
Maybe we could ask Kash Patel.
Hey, Kash, do you write children's books with pictures?
Seb, you ruined the surprise!
It's gonna be a trilogy, theplotagainsttheking.com.
Books 1 and 2 are now out, book 2 just debuted, but book 3, The Return of the Maga King, is coming next year, and of course, you're gonna be in it.
But now you ruined the surprise.
You know, I just had a feeling, you know, I had my Spidey sense was tingling, the Vulcan mind melt.
Let's put the cover up of the latest book that has got him in trouble with a couple of conservative outlets.
Why?
Because it tells the truth.
Look at that cover.
I love it.
The Plot Against the King.
Two Thousand Mules written by Kash Patel, art by James Scrawl, it's an interesting name, and a special message from Dinesh D'Souza.
So tell us what this fantasy book is about, Kash.
I will.
So look, go to plotagainsttheking.com.
You know, we were fortunate to have Donald Trump launch both books.
The first one became a number one bestseller.
It's Russiagate for Adults in 20 Minutes with Pictures, and the kids are having a blast with it.
And so we thought, okay, let's continue the education message.
Let's teach our kids the values that you and I share, Seb.
Core mission values of faith, service, and the fight for the truth, and why that matters for leadership in our country.
So we took the other third rail of politics, where the left said, you can't teach our kids about Russiagate.
Yes, we can.
And we did.
You can't teach our kids about election integrity.
We sure can.
We did it in an apolitical way to show that elections can and were rigged.
And if there's 100,000 people on choosing day and 200,000 vote, something's wrong.
So I don't want to give it away, no spoilers, but where does the plot against the King 2000 mules, where does it take us up to?
Does it take us to some kind of medieval midterms?
Where does it take us?
It takes us right to the midterms.
There's trails of glowing poo, which reveal the chicanery and unlawful activities of the mules.
And we have fun with it, so we tell people about election integrity and why voting matters the right way and following the law.
And as President Trump said when he launched this book just last week, put this book in every home, in every school, in every library across America.
And if that weren't enough, the country music legend John Rich of Big & Rich himself wrote a song It's called The Plot Against the King, just for these books, and it's climbing the charts.
You can check it out on Rumble and Truth Social.
Oh, I love it.
I love it.
We know him well.
He's been on the show.
We'll get him back.
All right, let's come out of the cartoon world.
Let's go to the real world that inspired it.
You mentioned something before you came on about confidential informants and how they're a very effective tool for cover-ups by the deep state.
Will you expand on that, Cash?
Yeah, absolutely.
And look, Seb, you and I have talked about Christopher Steele, who's the prime example of a confidential human source network gone rogue.
And now we're coming to find out that not only did the FBI pay bad actors like Steele and pay bad actors at January 6th, only beginning that investigation of their confidential human source corruption cover-up network, but Danchenko, John Durham has said that Danchenko has been on the payroll for three years at the FBI after the FBI fired Christopher Steele based on Russiagate investigation that Devin and I ran.
So they doubled down.
They knew they were wrong.
They were being lied to and they lied to a federal court to unlawfully surveil President Trump.
But instead of coming out with the truth, they went and hired the source of the Steele dossier who told them he was full of it anyway.
So that they can go to Congress in the world and say, sources and methods at Jeopardy, we can't tell you anything.
It is the new MO of this FBI and the government gangsters that I alluded to.
And by the way, since you brought it up, Seb, that's the title of my new book, my adult book, which will release next year, Government Gangsters.
But we'll do a pre-release on your show.
Oh my gosh!
Government Gangsters.
All right.
So, man, you are a busy dude.
Busy dude.
All right.
So tell us... Trying to keep up.
I'm trying to.
So tell us about what happens with the Danchenko case, because it's been small beer, none of the big guys have been indicted.
What is your gut telling you, Cash?
Danchenko gets indicted.
I mean, he's indicted.
He gets convicted out in Virginia federal court.
And here's why.
I know there's some hangover from the Sussman acquittal, but that was in the District of Communism with no jury was ever going to convict him.
But what you have to look at the Danchenko case is the material John Durham's putting out that he's telling us the FBI unlawfully Allowed a confidential human source to cover up the FBI's corruption and paid him with government taxpayer dollars.
If that doesn't offend you as an American, then you need to start living in Russia, not the United States of America.
So I think you're gonna see a whole flurry of information come out in the next two weeks and we'll be covering it relentlessly on your show and on Truth Social at Cash and anywhere else we can.
Are you gonna be in the swamp anytime soon?
I'm doing a quick zip through there right now, and then I'm heading west with President Trump for Arizona and Nevada rallies.
I'll be speaking out there at both events this weekend.
All right.
Well, God willing, that Danchenko stuff will start flooding the airwaves, and we've got to get you in studio.
In the meantime, it's fightwithcash.com.
It's plotagainsttheking.com.
The new book is The plot against the King.
2,000 mules.
And in the meantime, you know where to find him.
He's got a very complicated moniker on Truth Social.
It's Cash with a K. God bless you, Cash.
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I know it's to do with sports.
So, set it up for us, please.
During the Monday night football game, there was an animal rights activist that ran onto the field.
And this is from the Manning cast, which is, uh, they've had the best reaction to it, I think.
Alright, this is an animal rights activist with some kind of smoke grenade or something.
Play cut!
Here we go.
There he is!
There he is!
Yes!
That's what we're talking about.
Wagner.
A veteran.
Get him down.
Now get out and let these guys take over.
Bobby Wagner.
Veteran play.
He's got some smoke going on there.
He's got a t-shirt on.
He's promoting something.
Amateur hour there.
Amateur hour there.
I remember in the 70s it was streakers on the cricket ball.
The cricket pitches.
Men running around naked.
Got a little bit more attention than that loser.
Let's go to your calls.
Mike in California.
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Hello Dr. Gorka.
I have an idea.
I think it's pretty decent about where Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and Texas Governor Greg Abbott ought to send bus and plane loads of illegal aliens next.
Yeah, go ahead.
Where should they bus them or fly them?
To Harvard University, because if you look at Harvard's website, the front page has all this stuff extolling how wonderful, you know, they call migrants, how wonderful illegal aliens are, how we can learn from them, and how we really should, you know, honor and respect them, etc.
I think that that would be a great idea.
They want them, let's send them to Harvard.
And we always hear how the leftists say, we shouldn't put criminals in prison, we should send them to college.
Yeah, like the women in college, where they claim there's a rape culture, really need rapists and murderers and robbers and drug dealers all over campus.
So I think this would be fabulous and we could go on to Yale and we can go on to Princeton and all the other... I like it.
I like it.
Not only that, I think they should go to Beverly Hills after Martha's Vineyard.
They should go to Nantucket.
They should go to the Hamptons.
What do you think of that, Jeff?
How about sending a truckload or two of illegal immigrants to the Hamptons?
No, you can't do it now.
You had to do it in the summer when everybody's there.
Oh, but all the houses, the mansions are empty.
Yeah, I know, but you want to do it when it's a nuisance to the people that live there.
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What I do know about Van Jones' community organizing is that he went to Oakland, one of the most impoverished citizens in the entire country, and this educated man took advantage of the underclass, just like we saw in Acorn.
And what did this man do but organize people?
People who needed help around the conspiracy theory that Abu Jamal or Mumia Abu Jamal is somehow innocent, preying on the inner city's belief that every single police officer is white and racist and therefore this guy got set up.
Man, we miss him so much, the great Andrew Breitbart, the man who understood what the other side was actually doing by being community organizers in the Alinsky mode.
That was a tea party event in Quincy.
What has happened since those heady days of Breitbart.com's founding and the original Tea Party movement?
Well, let's talk to a man who, as they say, was present at the creation.
He was formerly the co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots.
Now he is the president of the Convention of States.
Mark Meckler, welcome to America First One-on-One.
Great to be with you, and I miss Andrew as well, man.
Those were some crazy days.
They were, and there's nobody like him, especially when it comes to not only his fire in the belly and his desire to fight injustice, but also, which goes to a previous life of yours, his understanding of social media.
We'll talk about all that.
We've got an uninterrupted hour with you.
But first things first, Let's, I want to learn about the Convention of States because I've kind of poo-pooed it as never gonna happen, pie in the sky.
I met you at the, what was it, the Media Research Council Gala about a week ago and you gave me the DC elevator pitch and you sold me.
So we'll talk about why we have to come together for the Convention of States and what it means for saving the Republic.
But first things first, Can I ask you to kind of fill in some gaps for us in terms of the last, what should we say, seven, eight years?
Because if you look at the Trump phenomena, if you look at America first, if you look at MAGA, the connections to Brexit, which are this rise of popular sentiment, representative government.
Many have said, me included, that all of this was built on the ashes of the Tea Party movement.
So will you wind the clock back for us, Mark, and tell us what was the Tea Party movement How was it born?
What was the mission?
And what happened to it?
And then lastly, and I'll remind you of these if you can't keep them all in your head.
What is the connective tissue?
What's the overlap between today's America First and then your original Tea Party movement?
Over to you.
Yeah, so look, I think you bookended that perfectly.
In other words, I do think the MAGA movement, America First, is sort of the final act of the Tea Party movement.
I don't think you get President Trump without the Tea Party movement.
It's a long tale, so here's how it goes from my perspective.
In 2009, the Tea Party movement is launched.
It's actually a response not just to Obama, which it's partly to Obama, but it's the policies of the Bush administration beforehand.
I know personally, one of the things that really turned me on politically, that lit my fires, listening to George Bush say that he was abandoning free market principles to save the free market.
And I thought, I'd never heard gibberish like that out of a president of the United States.
You go into the Obama era, we get Obamacare, and this is really where the Tea Party movement takes off.
In 2010, you get the largest swing class in the history of Congress since 1938.
I think there were 63 seats that changed hands.
It was absolutely incredible.
I thought, personally, Everything would change at that point, I thought.
The message had been said loud and clear to Washington.
What we wanted was fiscal responsibility, a fidelity to the Constitution, and a preservation of free market economics.
Those were the Tea Party hallmarks.
Instead, what happened was immediately, literally immediately, the swamp started eating those people.
What we now know as the Deep State started eating those folks.
And by 2012, from my perspective, it was pretty obvious that we had lost that fight.
That's not to say the Tea Party didn't do anything valuable.
I think they changed the narrative.
They brought up a lot of things that needed to be brought up.
If you look at a lot of the people in politics today, a lot of the leaders came up through the Tea Party movement.
I meet them all over the country.
They're on school boards, city councils, they're in state legislatures.
In some cases, now they're lieutenant governors or senators or congressmen.
So I think we got a lot out of the Tea Party movement.
I think it changed a lot, but it did not change the basic political dynamic in Washington, D.C.
And I think that's where we're at today.
Trump comes in.
A lot of people who ran, were in that election, were people who came out of the Tea Party movement.
Mike Lee and Marco Rubio.
These are Tea Party guys.
Ted Cruz.
So all of this stuff leads to Trump.
You get MAGA.
You get America First.
Here we are today.
He's now, as we know, drummed out of office by an illegitimate deep state left.
And so it's time for something new is where I sit today.
Alright, can you give us some granularity on what happened?
It's clear that President Trump leveraged that discontent with the establishment, with the Uniparty, but why did the original Tea Party fizzle out?
Was it the attacks by Lois Lerner at the IRS?
Was there one specific thing, Mark?
I'm curious.
Yeah, I don't think it was one specific thing.
I would start with where the Tea Party movement started.
It was the energy on the Republican side of the aisle.
While it was bipartisan, about 25 to 27 percent were either independents or Democrats, the reality was the Republican Party claimed the energy.
The Democrats vilified the Tea Party, as they always do, as racist and everything else.
And so it got pretty brutally attacked from the start.
And then I would say, and I'll claim part of the credit for this failure, which is that we didn't really have a plan.
We literally were just grassroots activists.
We had no idea how to do politics.
We didn't know how the system worked.
People have alleged that this is somehow some kind of AstroTurf movement.
It was true grassroots.
So when all these attacks came, I would say we didn't know how to handle all of that well.
And then Lois Lerner begins her attacks and ultimately shuts down, I would argue, probably half to two-thirds of the Tea Party movement.
Let's talk about that for a second because it was clear to me that this was truly an organic grassroots movement and perhaps that was its greatest weakness.
sort of falls apart.
Let's talk about that for a second, because it was clear to me that this was truly an organic grassroots movement, and perhaps that was its greatest weakness.
If you look at the other side, isn't that always going to be our Achilles' heel, the That we're hobbled, you know, before we get to the starting line because the left is a hive.
It's like a Borg from Star Trek.
It believes in, you know, one master plan.
There's no, you know, guy in a hollowed out volcano controlling it all.
But if you believe in the collective over the individual, And we believe in the opposite, the individual rights.
It's going to be hard for us to have, you know, millions of drones marching in the same direction.
Is this why you've switched to the Convention of States?
Do you see this as a serious setback for conservatives that we believe in the individual and we don't?
I mean, I look at Virginia.
You hear that the quote-unquote grassroots marches out of the schools for the transgender children.
I think it's both a weakness and a strength.
You know, a left-wing organization with Soros Money.
So even when it comes to kids, they're astroturfed.
So is this a big, big weakness for our side, Mark?
I think it's both a weakness and a strength.
As pretty much with all weaknesses or strength, there's a flip side to that coin.
So I just think the strength part of it is that there are so many good people out there in the grassroots.
There are so many good organizations.
There are millions of people who are involved.
And then the weakness is exactly as you described it.
We're so independent.
We all want to do it our way.
It makes it very hard to coordinate.
Though I would argue that the conservative movement is getting better in that regard.
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All right, so let's jump to the present day.
We've talked about the Tea Party movement, we've talked about President Trump and MAGA and America First and the connections internationally to Brexit, Georgie Maloney, you name it.
What is the state?
Give us a snapshot.
We'll get to the Convention of States in a second, Mark, but give us a snapshot of the right today, because I see the following, and you tell me if I'm wrong or what I'm missing.
I see a rising wave, potentially a tidal wave in November of Citizen politicians, meaning people who are citizens first and politicians in a secondary or tertiary sense, like our founding fathers.
They're not career politicians, you know, the Marshall Blackburns, the Matt Gaetz of the world, the JD Vance's.
And I see them potentially changing the character of the Republican Party.
However, with the Mitch McConnells and the timorous beasties, the milquetoast likes of Kevin McCarthy, I see a leadership that isn't going to allow the party to reflect the desires of the people who elect these candidates.
So we're kind of in a weird half-pregnant situation where it's kind of MAGA, kind of America first, but the control switch, the reins are still, you know, go along to get along with the Democrats.
Is that accurate?
What's missing?
Yeah, I think that's dead accurate.
And putting that in historical context with the Tea Party, since that's where we started, we had that situation with the Tea Party.
The difference was the people who were up and coming had no idea what to do about it.
And I would argue the folks coming in now that are citizen politicians, they're much more sophisticated.
They've seen what happened with the Tea Party movement.
And I also think that this movement is deeper and wider than the Tea Party movement is.
I'd point specifically to what you see going on at school boards.
And you've got these parents rising up Getting elected to school boards and city councils, I think that ultimately makes it way up through the political landscape, all the way up, and that means it has a much longer tail than the Tea Party did, because the people who are coming in on those school boards, they're younger than the average Tea Party person.
I think this is going to have very positive effects on American politics for decades to come.
All right, let's talk about what happens on the other side of the aisle and why you started or you've built this thing, the Convention of States.
You've been involved in politics for long enough that you have a sweep, an overview.
The Democrat Party of today, and let's just talk factually, It's not Scoop Jackson.
It's not JFK's party.
This is a party that has become a radical extremist party that is prepared to use the tools of the state as weapons, whether it's the FBI, whether it's the IRS again.
Do you think that enough patriots, and let's just take politics out of the equation, Mark, do you think enough Average Americans have a grip, have a grasp on what one of the two political parties in America has become?
Yeah, and I would say not yet, but we're well on our way.
And I want to call it what it is, Seb, and I think this is really important.
The Democrat Party is now the new fascist Democrat Party, and they throw that term at us all the time.
Mussolini himself defined fascism as everything inside the state, nothing outside of the state, And nothing against the state.
And that is exactly what we're seeing out of the Democrats' mouths and in action, right?
So everything that goes against the state is being censored by the state, by social media.
We're being attacked by the FBI.
We know we're going to be attacked by the IRS again.
So this really is fascism.
But people are rising up, and I think more and more people understand what's going on.
We're seeing this in our polling that we do every week.
And it's not just your average mainstream right-wing Republican voter.
We're seeing it among Democrats, we're seeing it among minorities, and we're seeing it among young people.
So I think the rising tide against all of this is definitely coming.
The thing that I'm most excited about living in the Commonwealth and talking to precinct captains who helped, you know, defeat, you know, the Democrat former governor who thought he could be governor again, Terry McAuliffe, is minorities.
Minorities stepped up to the plate, said, I don't know anything about politics, but use me if you can.
And when you look at it nationally, when you look at the polling, are you most excited about minorities coming over or is it the independents or former Democrats?
Where are you seeing, Mark, the most significant shift recently?
I think it's in minorities.
And to be very specific, what you see is in the Hispanic population.
So we pull a lot of different issues.
We work with Trafalgar Group and Robert Kahaly, and almost every single issue over the last 18 months, we've watched Hispanics shift dramatically to the right, sometimes to the right of the white population.
So I think those numbers are very strong, and I think that's damaging for the Democrat Party.
Blacks as well, though not to the same extent, but a significant proportion of the blacks are moving over to right-wing values.
Whether they'll vote Republican or not remains to be seen, but they are moving away from the Democrat Party.
What about Asians?
In the Commonwealth, a lot of Asians, you know, came forward and said, I don't know anything about this process, but if you want me to be a poll watcher or whatever, I'm here.
Are you seeing that as well?
Yeah, we are.
With the Asian communities, because especially of the discrimination we've seen against Asians in education, they're also moving to the right.
And they're essentially polling the same as the white population on I would say about 90% of the issues.
And there's one more sliver I would add, which has been really surprising to me, is young people.
When I say young, I mean 18 to 24.
Young people have always been considered the Democrats' demographic, but if you look at them, for example, they were the highest proportion when we polled on the use of domestic energy supplies.
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All right, so this is the moment.
Tell me about the Convention of States.
What is it?
And what is your mission, Mark?
So if you look at the Constitution, Article 5 contains the methods for amending the Constitution.
First is, if two-thirds of both houses of Congress propose an amendment, it goes to the states for ratification.
That's how we've gotten 27 amendments.
The second way says that if two-thirds of the states decide that they would like to propose amendments, they can gather in convention and do that.
And specifically, what the framers told us at convention is they put this in there to make sure that if D.C.
ever got out of control, that the states would be able to rein them in.
So, for the first time in history, there's an organized effort.
Millions of people now, over 5 million people involved all across the country.
It takes 34 states to call a convention.
So far, 19 states have done so.
But you and I talked about this at the MRC Gala.
Important to note, there are currently 31 states with both houses controlled by Republicans.
I think that'll be 33 by the end of this election.
So I believe we're very close to calling the first convention of states.
All right, so I'm curious.
I'm going to go a little bit wonky here as a Poli Sci PhD.
You're bringing them together, 31 so far, but surely you have to bring them together on a topic.
You have to say, hey, join us because we want to have a convention on this amendment.
So what's the pitch?
So the pitch is there are three subject matter areas for this convention.
First is anything that would impose fiscal restraints on the federal federal government.
We all know 33 trillion.
They're completely out of control in debt.
And so what you could do is you could impose a balanced budget amendment or spending caps or taxation caps.
Second is anything that would impose term limits not just on Congress which about 85 percent of Americans support.
But on what we now know as the deep state, bureaucrats and staffers who are unaccountable and spend long careers in D.C.
and really wield a lot of the power.
And then finally, and I think most importantly, anything that would impose scope or jurisdiction restraints on the federal government.
What that means is, in other words, we could tell them, no, you may not be involved in education or health care or energy or environmental policy.
Those are things that were always intended for the states and they should be returned to the states.
So those are the things that could be discussed at convention.
And you have a commitment from the current state legislature, which means if the Republicans lose control, one of the states drops out of that 31 and you have to begin negotiating with that state again, correct?
Yeah, that's correct.
So any state can rescind a resolution at any time.
The resolutions stay in place until they're rescinded.
This must have been... I can't imagine how much work this must have been.
To get 31 state houses?
Just to get five of them.
I mean, how hard was this, Mark?
Well, to clarify, Seb, we're at 19 states.
There are 31 with both houses controlled by Republicans.
Right, so you got 19.
How hard was it to get 19?
It was basically what some people would call impossible.
It's been very difficult.
We started from scratch.
There were five people.
We had a little office in Percival, Virginia.
Mark Levin jumped in.
He wrote a book about it called The Liberty Amendments.
That kind of was the launch point.
We launched the same week that Mark wrote his book.
And so it's just been a slog.
We've been doing this for nine years.
It's, you know, nine years of overnight success, as they say.
All right.
Let's give full credit to the great one.
He has been a champion for the Convention of States, so the Liberty Amendment.
Mark Levin, God bless you for your service to this nation at the Department of Justice with your radio show and now with the Constitution of States.
See, this is where I kind of think this must have been so incredibly difficult because walking into a state legislature and saying, hey, you don't have enough on your plate and DC isn't enough of a problem.
I want you to come together in a convention.
What is the reception like when you walk in?
I'm just curious.
Out of the 19, do they start throwing things at you first?
You know, Sav, I think you're nailing it better than almost anybody.
Actually, what they do is they look at you with a blank stare.
They have no idea what you're talking about.
Most people have never heard of Article 5.
State legislators have no idea they have the power to do this.
So I went in a little bit naive, thinking, oh, they're going to love this.
We're going to take power away from D.C.
We're going to give it back to the states.
They're just going to think it's great.
Mostly, they looked at us like we were crazy.
I didn't understand how the state legislatures work, and so it's been a lot of years of just learning that, and then just building up the grassroots.
You literally need millions of people to make this happen.
That takes time to develop.
Alright, well, I love it.
You convinced me, and if I can support you in any way, outside of this interview, then I'm there for you.
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Mark, you have been very outspoken on how we fix things with this new eight-year-old initiative, the Convention of States.
But there's a piece of the puzzle we haven't discussed, and it's an area where you have great expertise, in large part because of your position as interim CEO of Parler, after Parler was attacked by, let's call it, the Deep State plus their buddies in Palo Alto.
Social media.
Can we win the political battles we need to win?
Can we take back the republic without something drastic happening in the social media domain?
You've worked in that area.
You have great expertise.
So we've got a couple of things floating around like it should be public access.
It should be a utility or there should be a breakup of the cartel or the monopoly.
You actually know what you're talking about.
So number one, can we take back the republic without a drastic change in social media?
Yes or no?
And if we do need a drastic change, what does it look like? - No.
No, we can't.
Absolutely.
Like this is the medium of communication today.
Social media is the thing.
If you don't have access to social media, if you can be silenced like you were the fascists at YouTube, you've got to find methods and modes of communication that go around that.
So I think it's that we are beholden to social media today.
We have to build our own infrastructure.
I'm happy to say that's happening.
I'm nervous to say it's not happening fast enough, nor is it happening deep enough because What most people see is they see that website or that social media interface.
They don't understand the layers and layers of technology that allow that to be seen on your screen.
There are so many different areas that remain unseen by the consumer, which we have to rebuild for ourselves so that we're no longer vulnerable to the tech.
So let's again, let's get a little bit geeky because this is super important.
So you say it's not fast enough.
It's not deep enough.
I've been blown away.
What is it?
Less than a year old.
Truth Social, my account, just literally this weekend, blew over 500,000 subscribers.
And I don't even try very hard.
I spend a lot of time on Twitter, mostly on Truth Social.
We put segments of the show and people seem to love it.
So that seems to be very fast, but maybe I'm wrong.
What I'm concerned with is the commercial side of all of this.
When you've got Google AdSense and Facebook controlling the vast majority of advertising on the internet, There's no way we're going to break through unless these companies are broken up by federal government.
Am I wrong?
I don't think you're wrong.
I'm always hesitant when we talk about the federal government getting involved.
I understand that.
Conservatives, you know, don't like calling Uncle Sam, but there's sometimes, you know, like drugs.
You want to have drugs regulated, okay?
You want to have certain things.
You can't go out and say, here's a miracle cure for whatever, and you just, you know, what have you.
No, no.
For me, Seb, it's not ideological.
It's not about that.
It's practical, which is, I know how Republicans regulate.
I know how they do this stuff, and they do it in a way that's fair, that's marketplace-oriented.
The more power you give to the federal government, we have to remember that the left is going to use it in return.
Somebody will abuse it.
Bingo.
OK.
You got me there.
You got me there.
I totally agree.
All right.
So what the flip do we do?
When you can have your credit card cancelled if you're Mike Flynn's wife, or if they're putting a registry now at Visa of whether you used your credit card to buy an AR-15, what on earth are we going to do with the commercial side of all this?
Well, I think I've been talking about this for a couple of years.
It's called the Great Decoupling, and we're going to have to rebuild all of that infrastructure on the right separately.
There's going to have to be right-wing or conservative or content-neutral credit card companies.
There's going to have to be processing gateways.
I've been working with several banks that I trust that aren't going to cancel us.
So we're going to have to rebuild all of that infrastructure, top-down and bottom-up, or we're going to remain vulnerable.
I love that.
Talk to us a little bit more about what the great decoupling looks like.
It's going to cost billions of dollars in my estimation, but describe, because right now we seem to be creating a little bit of a conservative ghetto here, a little bit of a conservative service provided there.
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But there's not a lot of Patriot Mobiles out there.
So give us a description of the jigsaw pieces of the great decoupling, Mark.
Well, the great decoupling is the country coming apart.
And by the way, Seb, it's always been this way, so it doesn't concern me.
We were coming apart before the American Revolution, after the American Revolution in 1787.
We're coming apart in the Civil War.
We've been coming apart forever.
That's the nature of the country.
The great decoupling actually just means a return to federalism.
On a commercial basis, it means everything from the top down, which is cloud services.
And there are some now owned by conservatives.
So I understand Parler's just bought their own cloud hosting platform.
So I think that's a really good thing.
We need credit card processing.
We need banks.
There are really thin slices of technology that most people don't even know exists.
There's something called a DDoS or denial of service safety provider.
There are only five of those in the world.
I don't trust them.
And so we're going to need our own DDoS provider.
We need our own domain registration service.
You know, you register your domain with GoDaddy, we know that they cancel people.
So every slice of this technology pie and commercial pie is gonna have to be rebuilt.
And I'm happy to say, most of it's underway, just not as fast as I would like.
People out there with lots of money, I mean I'm talking about billions, who are on our side but who aren't yet spending it and investing it in the right way, Mark.
You don't have to mention names but are there people out there who need to have a swift kick in the backside?
I think there are, but to be fair, Seb, I think there are a lot of people, and I'm hearing this a lot every day, every time I go to a conference or speak with donors, they're saying, look, I have money.
I'm looking to invest.
I want to find the right thing.
A lot of times they're confused.
They're being pitched on a lot of stuff that's not real.
If they've accumulated a billion or billions themselves, they're smart people.
So they're looking for real opportunities.
So I think the money is out there and I think it is starting to come together.
And I think over the next couple of years, we're going to see it happen big time.
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All right, so we've dissected your plan of action, this overnight success that has only taken you eight years, the Convention of States.
Please support this man and his team, Mark Meckler, at conventionofstates.com.
What is your Plea, what is your request?
What is your suggestion to the 3 million Americans right now, more than 3 million because then we've got to add all the video and everything else, not just the radio broadcast, who are listening to this discussion when it comes to their role in the Convention of States or just more basically in saving the Republic, Mark?
Yeah, my main plea is to get involved.
A lot of us watch these podcasts or listen to these podcasts.
We watch television.
We get angry.
We get frustrated.
Maybe we even get depressed about it.
I say get in the fight.
That's the main thing.
So if you're interested in what we're doing at Convention Estates, and by the way, we'll be involved in over 450 elections in this cycle from school board all the way up to Congress.
If you want to be involved, if you want to actually do something that's going to make a difference, Go to conventionofstates.com, fill out the petition, and then click the Take Action tab and volunteer.
That's the key.
If you're not involved in saving the Republic, then the Republic won't be saved.
What's the biggest obstacle?
Is it that people have the attitude that I don't have anything to offer?
I'm just, you know, Joe Six-Pack?
What's the biggest obstacle?
Yeah, I think there are two.
One is I don't have anything to offer.
I'm just a regular guy.
And the answer is this movement is made up of millions of regular men and women.
That's all that's ever saved America.
That's what made America.
And then the second, I think, is just I'm too busy.
And my point is, if you're too busy to save America, then we're going to lose America.
It's people who were too busy that jumped in, sacrificed.
They're the ones who built America and have always saved America.
And honestly, Seb, that's why I have faith we'll save it again, because this country is full of millions, And millions of great, God-fearing, patriotic Americans.
Yeah, it's a good reminder.
I don't think the founding fathers, I don't think Washington, Jefferson, and Adams were just like sitting there, you know, chewing on a corncob pipe, you know, playing tiddlywinks because they had nothing better to do, and then somebody said, hey, what about a revolution from the British?
I think they were rather busy themselves, but they decided To commit their sacred honor, their treasure, and their lives to liberty.
And if you're too busy to save the Republic, what would the Founding Fathers think of you?
Thank you, Mark Meckler.
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