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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: The fall of Sam Harris
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The culmination of all this at the end of the day, Jonathan, is that Donald Trump will be indicted by the Justice Department.
Oh Oh.
Care to tell us when you think that might be?
Well, it depends a little bit on how fast this appeal can take place.
And I think it can take place pretty quickly.
And by the end of December, I think we could get, you know, a decision there which would tee up, you know, the question about, you know, when to indict in the winter of 2023.
That's Neil Ketyal on MSNBC and the host so excited!
Did you see that reaction?
Donald Trump's gonna get indicted!
Nothing like some unbiased journalism.
I think perhaps that's the reason the targeting of conservatives by the judicial system that means a lot of you simply aren't answering questionnaires or posters because you're afraid of what will happen to you if you admit you're one of the 74 million.
Like a buddy of President Trump's.
Called Mike Lindell.
You heard him on the show the day after.
They told him not to talk about it, but he's Mike Lindell, of course he's gonna talk about it.
Three unmarked FBI vehicles ambushed him with a drive-thru, demanded his phone from him.
Why?
Because he's a conservative!
They want to intimidate, bully you if you disagree with them.
It's the Sovietization of American politics.
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We are back with the founder of the Trafalgar Group, Robert Cahilly.
Have I pronounced your name correct at least once today?
It's Cahilly.
Cahilly.
Cahilly.
Like that.
Like I'm coughing.
Cahilly.
Right there.
Is that right?
All right.
Follow him right now at Robert Kahaly.
That's C-A-H-A-L-Y.
What's the website, Robert?
TheTrafalgarGroup.org.
All right, let's put that up on the Chiron.
TheTrafalgarGroup.org.
Finish your thought about how people simply, they don't trust any pollsters today if they're conservatives.
Finish your thought.
Well, they're just worried that this overreaching government might, it doesn't seem an unreasonable thing that they might be keeping track of what people tell in polls.
They might be keeping track of what people say.
So what we found is people that used to put a sign on their yard or a sticker on their car or comment on social media are doing none of it.
And they're not participating in polls.
And we call these submerged voters, people that no one's going to hear from.
You know, they're underwater until election day.
All right, so they're hiding under the surface.
So then give us the truth.
Give us the sanity check, Robert.
We're being told by the Democrats that, oh, there's no tidal wave coming.
We're going to keep the House.
We're going to keep the Senate.
Roe v. Wade has energized, you know, white suburban women or whatever it is.
Is that just all, you know, bluster?
Is that propaganda?
Well, a good bit of it is.
I mean, because first, there is this, you know, like I said, these submerged voters that are going to outdo what any poll says, including ours.
I think the Republican turnout will be better than what we say.
But no, there's no question.
These guys tried to set a narrative because they were trying to impact these races early in the, you know, in September and in late July and August.
They were trying to put these numbers out, the left-leaning media and the universities, because they helped the Democrats raise money.
And they knew this was nowhere near reality.
They're trying to create a reality and help raise a bunch of money.
But now that it's getting close to the election, they're going to have to angle their face again.
All of a sudden, they're starting to say, well, we see a shift.
There's no shift.
This is exactly what they did last time.
They acted like it was a last-minute shift to Virginia.
It wasn't a last-minute shift to Virginia.
The stuff going on in those schools has been going on since May.
Okay, that's the truth.
There's no last-minute shift.
There's just submerged voters who understand what the left is doing to intimidate them.
We've got 40 seconds left.
What is your expectation for the House and the Senate?
Obviously, any crazy national crisis can happen.
So, I don't want to predict five weeks.
I'll say if the election were next week, the Republicans would win the House by 30 votes and they'd ruin the Senate by two.
Okay, I like it.
But he's right.
He's right.
40 days, 30 days in politics is a lifetime.
That's why we have to get him back next time you're in the swamp.
You're going to come in studio, right, Robert?
Absolutely.
All right, you've got to follow his organization so, so, especially after Rasmussen sold his company, you've got to trust the Trafalgar Group.
TheTrafalgarGroup.org.
And the founder is Robert Kehli.
You can follow him at Robert Kehli on Twitter.
That's C-A-H-A-L-Y.
See you next time in studio.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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Alright, we'll help you out.
Alright, bud?
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I'm here with you, alright?
I'm gonna start an ambulance over here to us, okay?
All right, bud?
I just lost my earpiece.
Can you clip it on the back?
Hey, John.
- Yep, ready to go. - Not yet.
All right, we can just put that on to something.
You got me, John?
I do.
How are you?
I'm running a little late.
Apologize.
No worries.
You want to talk the Georgia story or is there something more important?
Georgia and the censorship.
Yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
We're going to have a new angle tonight.
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Okay, it's so hard when this next guest, regular guest, comes on the show because he actually owns a News empire and I don't know which stories to choose.
However, I've decided whichever ones he texted me at 7 a.m That's probably one of the ones to talk about.
We've got two to choose from John Solomon of justinnews.com.
Welcome back Good to be with you, Sam.
Busy weekend.
Yes, lots of things happening, lots of clips we want to play on the show, but there's two stories that you said to me that we have to discuss.
The second one is chilling.
The first one is really bad news for the governor of Georgia, Stacey Abrams, or the woman who thinks she's the governor.
So talk to us about that latest judicial decision.
Yeah, listen, this is a woman that built a national franchise on the argument that Georgia was the epicenter of a racist Jim Crow 2.0 voting system.
She raised millions of dollars doing that.
She became wealthy herself, worth $3 million now.
Making her second run for governor in four years against Brian Kemp.
Well, her big lawsuit to prove the fact that the system was racism, it was thrown out.
Every count was thrown out.
A bench trial by an Obama-appointed judge.
An Obama-appointed judge said, no merit to this.
It's out of here.
Georgia doesn't have a racist voting system.
It's not racist to ask someone for their ID or to check their citizenship.
Now, I know most Americans think that way.
But Stacey Abrams and Joe Biden, who signed onto her IMCO 2.0 concept, repudiated, rejected by this court in large fashion.
Major loss just five weeks before she runs for governor.
Voters decide.
There's a kind of sanity or common sense test here.
How can any politician, I don't care what party you're from, cry voter suppression In an election, including in Georgia, where you have record turnout, the likes of which you have never seen in every demographic.
I mean, this stuff doesn't just pass the sniff test, John.
No, it didn't.
Listen, most common sense Americans a long time ago said, of course, voter ID is a good idea.
Of course, checking someone's citizenship is a great idea.
But the Democrats have created these franchises.
They're fundraising franchises.
They raise lots of money.
They litigate up the wazoo.
They usually lose.
And in this case, they lost big time.
This is going to be a reflection of Stacey Abrams' philosophy.
Also, quite frankly, the National Democrats, because Nancy Pelosi tried to federalize elections based on this lie, and Joe Biden went around the country saying, we got Jim Crow 2.0 in elections.
An Obama appointee said, no we don't, and that I think is going to resonate come November 8th.
Every night you can watch this show on Real America's Voice.
It is Just The News, not noise.
John Solomon, follow him at jsolomonreports.
The book is Fallout as well.
You've got to read the book.
All right, let's talk about the creepy thing that affects your media company as well, justthenews.com.
Apparently The Democrats seem to have ignored this principle that the U.S.
government can't pay private entities to do things that U.S.
government is not allowed to do.
There's no kind of get-around, but it seems as if they've ignored that.
So give us the details on this latest story that affects you and your team.
Starting late last week, we've had a series of stories.
We're going to have another one tonight.
We've unmasked the largest federally sanctioned censorship machinery we've ever seen in American history.
This was a group of four entities policing disinformation, misinformation, their definition of it, and taking requests from the federal government.
The federal government was allowed to have a concierge ticket system, basically.
Government would say, I don't like that story.
I don't like that tweet.
I don't like that piece of information.
Go censor it, guys.
And then this private entity would go and talk to them.
about Facebook and Twitter and get things censored.
The scope of what they targeted in a four-month period in the 2020 election.
By the way, this happened on Donald Trump's watch.
Of course, the president didn't know about it at the time.
But Homeland Security State Department, they, working with this entity, they targeted 4,800 web URLs, 20 news organizations, mine included.
Well, let me just list a couple of them because it's apparent that President Trump didn't know about it because New York Post, that broke the Hunter Biden laptop, Just the News, Fox, Washington Examiner, Washington Times, Epoch Times, and Breitbart were just some of them. Epoch Times, and Breitbart were just some of them.
So clearly this is politically motivated, John.
Yep, and there's 29 influencers.
Every one of them is a conservative.
So you got 29 influencers, 20 news organizations, 4,800 web URLs, and it impacted 22 million social media posts in a four-month period.
A massive censorship operation.
By the way, 35% of the time when these entities went to the social media companies, they bent to its will and they did the censorship.
They put a label on it, they blocked something, they throttled it.
An extraordinary, huge censorship operation right under our noses.
We're only learning about it now.
Oh, here's the bad news or good news, depending on what side of the political fence you're on.
This group has ramped back up for the 2022 midterm elections.
We won't until next year to find out what they actually do.
I have to ask you, as the founder, the editor in chief, are you going to take legal action?
We're talking to lawyers here, as are many other people.
I talked to Marjorie Taylor Greene today.
She was a congressperson that was targeted by this.
She's considering litigation.
The former candidate, Robbie Starbuck, he's considering litigation.
Several news organizations I've talked to, they're considering litigation.
Very early, we gotta keep forcing out.
I think my first priority is just to get all the facts into the public square, so people can see who did it, how they did it, how troublesome it is, and then we'll get to the litigation after that.
But a very serious censorship operation backed by the government, used by the government.
Here's an interesting thing.
Beyond the federal agencies, there were three other people that were allowed to file tickets.
Here they are.
The Democratic National Committee, Common Cause, and the NAACP.
No political balance in that crowd.
They're all far-left groups.
So, extraordinary to see this operation.
And we know you always talk about deep state bureaucrats, the Democrats, and the media working together.
Here is a living organism that actually fulfilled every aspect of that.
Absolutely shocking.
I'm going to repost the story right now because John's got the goods and he's going to keep on telling us just how they're censoring free speech in America.
The book is Fallout.
Jay Solomon reports is the account and the company is justinews.com.
Thank you, John, for fighting the good fight.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Today or yesterday...
Because I was trying to get him on, because he has the new book out too.
I can find out.
Minute 45.
I can't see, still can't see calls or folks.
Yeah, guy was, you wanted to try to get back on phone with John at the top of the hour break?
Yes, sir.
On the top of the hour, I'm going to give a call to John.
Alright, so do we have calls?
Yeah, I'm sending a screenshot.
I apologize for that.
Okay, title for Solomon?
Oh and Cahaley as well.
Why The Democrat, um, the big Democrat lie about November.
Oh, that's for Kahaley.
Yeah.
Okay.
And Solomon.
The ecosystem of Democrat censorship. - Sure.
System of Democrat censorship.
All right.
40 seconds.
Want to come in with anything?
Yeah, come in with six.
Coming in with six, no liner.
Oh, yeah.
I have on the embeds that you're going to do a Patriot Supply in E.
Okay, thanks.
Yep.
Two, one.
One, two, one.
two, one. one.
The When Donald Trump referred to things in the White House as his possessions, there was a long history of him doing that.
Do you think that that's why he took those classified documents?
I do, actually.
I think it's also possible he took them for another reason, and we don't know what that is.
He sees everything in terms of leverage, whether he can have an edge over someone else.
He definitely likes trophies.
He likes trophies!
You mean like Obama and the 300 million documents in the unsecured furniture warehouse in Chicago for his quote-unquote library?
That's Maggie Haberman!
You know, the domesticated poodle for the pedestrians.
Remember the WikiLeaks emails?
This is the way I woke up this morning with regards to Maggie Haberman.
What a great way to start the week.
She blocked me.
Look at this intrepid reporter on Twitter.
Hey, Maggie!
Let's go to your cause.
Let's go to our good friend.
Is she there?
Is it Judy?
In Brooklyn!
Hey, Dr. Gurka!
Hello?
Yes?
Oh, you can hear me?
Good.
You know, I wanted to give the very first award show on America First.
So I wondered if I could do that.
Could I?
You may, I don't know what I'm getting myself into, but yes, what would you like to announce with regards to your award from Brooklyn?
Okay, no, it's an award show on America First, and I've got seven categories, and I lead... No, no, no, no, sorry.
We're not doing seven categories of anything.
We've got callers waiting.
All right?
Yeah, well.
Yeah, well.
Seriously, Judy?
Seven categories?
Are you pulling my leg?
No, I'm not.
You can give me two categories.
First of all, this award show is not based on equity.
It's based on merit.
Merit, okay?
So that's for, what's her name?
Kamala Harris.
She's an idiot.
Well, best president is President Donald J. Trump, and he even trumps Ronald Reagan.
And best liar is our Manchurian president, Joe Biden.
And guess what?
He said the other day, he's fighting for America's soul.
But guess what?
He has no soul because he sold it to the highest bidder.
I have more on that.
But you know what?
Moving on.
All right.
I'm skipping two things.
Best radio show, America first, great guests, great information.
So best radio producer has to be none other than Mr. G as in Jeffrey.
And guess what?
Don't compliment Jeff on radio.
Last but not least.
Well, he's the producer.
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Thank you.
What has happened in the year since then?
We've just found out that Kamala is going to be doling out federal assistance based upon your skin color.
We'll break all that down and the threat of nuclear tactical weapons being used in Ukraine with none other than the former Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie.
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Okay.
A listener, I don't know, listener, follower, he knows who he is, sent me the following video.
It's on social media and it's one of those where you kind of, you stop, you pay attention, it makes you think.
It's a body cam from a police officer who's done a vehicle stop or he's rolling up at night time to a white pickup vehicle and in it He finds a distraught man, a veteran, who is on the line, on the suicide hotline with the VA.
And I want you to listen to the veteran's voice, the pain, the anguish, and also how this officer, I don't know if he's a veteran, but he knows exactly what to say.
He asks where you served, what you did, how many tours, And then watch what happens at the end.
This is powerful stuff.
Play the cut.
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If I send you, it's nothing on you, okay?
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Alright?
Can I have you step out of the car, boss?
Just so we can talk?
8-20.
I'm gonna come in in front of your truck, bud.
8-20.
Starting an ambulance to the 6-8 off-ramp eastbound.
I'm with a vet who's on the suicide hotline.
Sorry, man.
Hey, hey.
Do you have anything on you?
No, no.
Okay, is there a check in?
Cool.
Any deployments, bud?
One.
Well, hey, good.
It's a tough time for everyone in your position, all right?
Relax, though.
Hey, I'm here with you, okay?
Here.
Right at the end, I don't know why it was cut off there.
He says, can I get a hug?
And the police officer is trying to manage this situation on the side of the highway.
He hugs him.
He hugs him.
What do we do when we see something like that?
How do we help those who have seen things most of us will never see?
who've had to internalize the horrors they've seen with their own eyes when they come back home and try and return to family life, reintegrate into society, back into the American bloodstream.
It's kind of a throwaway line now, which makes it even worse that 22 veterans a day take their lives.
7,000, more than 7,000 veterans have died at their own hand in the last 21 years since 9-11.
Which is three times how many died in combat.
Almost four times.
That's just wrong.
That shouldn't be the case.
Will you help those veterans?
There's one organization that's created a series of ranches across America where, with faith-based counseling, these brave men and women are given assistance to slay the dragons they brought back with them.
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This should never happen.
That number shouldn't be 22, it should be zero.
Let's try and suppress it as much as possible.
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Okay, back to the news of the day.
Just like Sam Harris, we often get a peek behind the curtain.
The truth.
They're so arrogant, they let it slip.
The individual you're about to hear is Melissa Fleming, the Undersecretary of the United Nations.
And she's the Undersecretary for Global Communications, aka Propaganda.
And she's talking about, well, you know, how we have to manage information.
She's a member of the World Economic Forum, and she wants to control what you are allowed to know about climate change.
Cut 10!
...partnered with Google, for example.
If you Google climate change, you will, at the top of your search, you will get all kinds of UN resources.
We started this partnership when we were shocked to see that when we Googled climate change, we were getting incredibly distorted information right at the top.
So we're becoming much more proactive.
You know, we own the science and we think that the world, you know, should know it.
And the platforms themselves also do.
She's laughing about it.
Laughing about it.
And then she says, we own the science.
You can't own the science.
Nobody gets to own the science.
That's fascistic thinking.
That's communist thinking.
That's like Elena Ceaușescu, the chief scientist of the Stalinist regime that was communist Romania.
Saying that she gets to decide what science is.
We own the science?
Science is a method for finding the truth.
It doesn't belong to anybody.
You fascist.
You communist.
By the way, they're both of the left, as we discussed last week.
Mussolini was a socialist.
The Nazi party stands for the German Socialist Workers' Party.
Socialist.
That's the Z in Nazi.
And that's why President Trump's rally this weekend was all the more apposite when he said, you know, it's, it's not socialism anymore.
We've skipped over socialism.
If you looked at what's happened to conservatives in the last 18 months, then we've already arrived in communism.
Cut nine, play cut.
Yelling political opponents just like the Soviet Union, now Russia.
The Soviet Union, now Russia.
Think of it.
We're being compared to that by many, many people because of what's happening with the criminal justice system.
I think it's the criminal injustice system.
If the communists win, and now we're talking communists, we don't say socialists anymore, because we've already skipped over socialists.
I used to have issues with my fellow Americans who said socialism is here or communism is here because my parents lived under that.
But not anymore.
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So much to discuss.
Ukraine applying for NATO.
U.S.
Army misses its recruiting goal.
Other services just squeak by.
Cold, cold winter coming in Europe.
Let's start with, I mentioned to our dear listeners, Thanks to a certain friend, Jim, thank you.
We had, Katie, my wife and I, and a few other conservatives had dinner with the Foreign Policy Minister last week and the consensus around the table, although we need more data of course, is that the cui bono, the who benefits question with regards to the Nord Stream sabotage would be the Kremlin benefits because then they can point to the evil West internally.
Any latest updates?
Any response With regards to that geopolitical event, Mr. Secretary?
Well, the Swedes and the Norwegians, I think they've almost finished their investigations.
I actually have seen the seismic graphs.
The Swedes and the Danes point out that there were Russian submarines in the area.
Yes.
And a Russian surface ship.
The only one that hasn't been blown out of the water in the Black Sea.
It's come around.
And there are only three, probably four navies.
The Swedes being one, the Royal Navy, the United States Navy, and the Russian Navy that's capable of pulling off something like this.
It's another way to intimidate the West.
There wasn't anything flowing through the pipeline, but he wants them to know that he's out there.
But it also helps him domestically when the draft is unpopular to say, oh, look what they did to our pipeline.
Right.
They blew it up.
And that has been now the mantra for months.
He's in a war against the West.
If you notice, he's taking more and more pictures with the patriarch, the Metropolitan, who's now blessed anyone who is prepared to die in Ukraine.
It's the same, forgive me for being blunt, the same shtick that Stalin used in World War II.
He paid off the priests that he pulled out of prison and had them parade around in support of his...
In the coming months, if you read Simon Kent's piece at Breitbart.com, Europe is in for a hard time with winter coming, energy prices exploding, access to gas, natural gas and oil, are being limited by Russia.
Another, I'd like your reaction to this, other... Well, the Norwegians are going to Open up their pipelines.
The North Sea.
The North Sea.
They will be flowing into Germany and Poland.
Very important, because those are the two hardest hit.
They have the two largest populations on that side of Eastern Europe.
So that's very important.
I know the new Prime Minister of the UK is looking at ways of ramping up production And have reversed Boris Johnson's decision on fracking.
Absolutely.
Fracking was banned a year ago.
The UK government poured concrete into the last two fracking sites in the UK.
One of the first decisions from the new Prime Minister is to nix that decision.
That's right.
Boris, for what good he did, was someone who would have supported the appearance of the UN undersecretary you showed before I came on.
And that cloud cuckoo fantasy that she... We own the science.
We own the science.
I was thinking, could you imagine Sir Isaac Newton saying that?
Or any scientist saying, I own the science.
But with the impending winter tensions in Europe, one of our interlocutors said, it looks as if the geopolitical center of Europe will be moving east, as there's more fractious relations in the founding members of the EU and NATO, The serious geopolitical action will be more coming from Poland, the Baltic States, Hungary.
Do you see a geopolitical shift to the East?
Well, I see something that you predicted when you entered the White House.
That the future of robust relations with Europe for us, in terms of national security, It's not in Paris and it's not in Berlin.
It's in Bucharest, it's in Warsaw, now Helsinki and Stockholm.
And if you look at what the Germans and the French have done for Ukraine, it's this.
And Zelensky is very well aware that he's not getting any support from either of those nations.
And it's the typical appeasement track that they are They're well-versed in it.
One interesting suggestion that was made that I'd like a response to is President Zelensky should spend less time having photo shoots with Vogue because it sends the wrong message.
That there are other audiences in the West, conservative audiences, that would perhaps also entertain being addressed.
I would agree with that.
I guess the actors I asked Jim Carufano, your former colleague, the Russian military is a meat grinder.
going to find an audience of Vogue or the Atlantic or the New Yorker.
I asked Jim Carafano, your former colleague, the Russian military is a meat grinder.
Yes.
Is this the biggest challenge for Ukraine?
Standing up to a meat grinder that has no valuation on human life?
Well, it's not going to be if they have no weapons to come at them.
Then it will be a 21st century Agincourt.
Where you just get hordes coming in a narrow section of the battlefield and you get to wipe them off out in echelon.
What we're seeing in Russia is recruits being called up.
They're bringing their own blankets.
There are no weapons.
I saw a video, a video at a recruiting station in Russia where the new conscripts were climbing up the gate to have food handed to them by their relatives.
I mean, this does not look good.
The regular army of Russia, and I think they call it the poorest troika, has been wiped out.
They're gone.
And Russia has vast resources on paper.
But it also had a Potemkin village professional cadre.
And even if you could train them, it's going to take months or a year to train them.
And you couldn't train the professions.
So I'm not, I don't think the Ukrainian army is as worried about that as they are about the West.
Not pulling back requisite weapons.
It's not about money to Ukraine.
It's not about money to Ukraine.
It's about providing them the weapons they can use.
Not new stuff they're not familiar with, but Soviet era stuff that they knew, they know how to use.
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The West has exposed their anti-aircraft systems, and then in supplying ours to the Ukrainians,
Russian pilots aren't venturing into Ukrainian territory.
Did you read that very early British analysis on Russian air tactics, that long study?
Fascinating, because they said, in contrast to us, for the last 20 years, we've been doing combined arms, tactical air maneuvers, so we know how, they have no practice.
No.
I had the opportunity to crawl inside Russian jets that were flown by those who were fleeing the Soviet Union.
Right.
And it was pretty clear, looking at the inside, that they were a one-way mission.
There was no room for individuality.
It was directed by controllers far behind the front.
They even had the pills.
If there's a nuclear cloud, just take this pill.
Take some iodine.
Take the pill and fly right through.
I remember the first time I was up close with a MiG-29.
This was like 95, 94.
And from the distance, and when they're flying at, you know, a Russian air show, they look cool in the 9Gs.
You get up close to them, and it looks like somebody made it in a shed.
And the rivets are, like, hand-hammered.
They're hammered in there.
And then I asked the engineer, I said, so tell me about, you know, keeping these things flying.
And he said, well, you know, like an F-14 and F-15, they have a service every 4,000 hours, you do a major rehaul.
After 5,000 hours with the MiG-29, you throw away the two engines.
Yeah, you get rid of them.
You get rid of them, and you have to put a new one in, because it just burns out.
You can't maintain it.
It's just the philosophy.
You know, you and I talked about what's happened to the Russian military.
You've got a character like Abramovich, who owned Chelsea.
He was just skimming.
He was responsible for tank production, financing tank production.
Well, he was just taking the money.
And anything that worked, they would sell!
Right.
That's the other thing that Twitter now has to face.
You want one real fast?
Yes.
Oh, hang on a second.
Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
Mike's – can you record, but Mike's off?
Um –
Thank you.
Putin is now facing is that the rest of the world has seen just how bad his... ...
Knee deep in the swamp.
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America First with Dr. G. Had a little bit of fun with a snowflake in the break there.
Hey, what's his real name, Jeff?
Have you done that reverse search for him?
What's his real name?
I do, I just don't have it right now, but I do have his name.
Alright, can you get his address?
Because we need to send him like a MyPillow or something.
Because he didn't even rehearse that and it wasn't even funny.
We need to send him something with you on it.
Oh, sorry.
We got to send you something with me on it.
Absolutely.
By the way, what does it mean, can you drop bootstraps on Florida?
I mean, it doesn't, it's, is that supposed to be funny?
That's what they're trying to say, because, oh.
The Tea Party and the Republicans, they don't like aid, which I've never heard them talk about.
We shouldn't be sending... Yeah, a conservative has never said, don't send emergency aid in a crisis.
We're talking about welfare queens.
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We are back with the distinguished fellow at the America First Policy Institute, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Robert Wilkie.
Secretary Wilkie, Ukraine applies for NATO membership.
I'm pretty sure that you can't apply for membership in an organization when you are in an active war zone and you've got four breakaway republics.
No.
It's a little pushing it, right?
It's a little and Zelensky was Playing his propaganda card by doing that.
Most important thing we can do is continue to arm them.
Right.
Okay, let's move on then.
Associated Press, not a fan of this.
Just the first line of this sentence, Mr. Secretary, as the man who was responsible originally, In the Pentagon for the readiness of all armed forces, the army fell 15,000 soldiers or 25% short of its recruiting goal this year.
What is going on?
You were the person in charge.
What is happening?
Certainly.
And then let's get rid of the shibboleth that the left puts up that people are not joining the military because it's good economic times, or it was.
We experienced a boom in recruiting during the Reagan years, when the American economy was roaring and setting the world on fire.
So let's throw that out.
Two things are happening.
One is the gentleman, the president, who's just arriving in Puerto Rico, which is Trump country, by the way.
Mothers and fathers saw what happened in Afghanistan.
They believe that this president is incompetent.
His national security team is worse.
It's not populated, at least in the White House, by people who have ever served.
Don't know anything about soldiering or logistics or what have you.
I mean, Jake Sullivan is a political hack.
I mean, he's the one who... He's the Russia hoaxer.
He's the Russia hoaxer.
But he went to the right schools.
The second thing that is happening is, I think, much more pernicious, because it's pernicious for the long run.
And that is the destruction of the military ethos by the woke leadership in the Pentagon.
I mean, we are now faced with a spectacle.
The Air Force Academy telling its cadets, you cannot use the word mom and dad.
Our sailors are now forced to sit in front of a video for three, five, ten hours.
Telling them how to use pronouns.
Woke pronouns.
This is not Shakespearean grammar.
This is woke pronouns.
We are dividing the military on the basis of sexual preference, on the basis of race.
We have a leadership that cannot defend the country rhetorically, so how are they going to do that kinetically?
And it's as low as we've ever seen.
So put this in perspective.
The all-volunteer force was created by Richard Nixon with the guidance of the great Creighton Abrams in 1973 because of Vietnam.
This is the lowest point in terms of recruiting in 49 years.
This is the worst.
And it's only going to get worse under this administration.
I have to ask you because we're short on time.
Can it be recovered?
Yes.
And we've seen it happen.
We saw it happen with Mr. Reagan, after Jimmy Carter.
We saw it happen with our president, President Trump, after eight years of Obama-Biden.
But it has to happen soon.
Because the places where you get most of the soldiers, and this is just anathema to the left, are in red states.
I mean, 60% of the officers come from 11 states.
The West Coast and the Northeast have checked out of military service.
Right.
But when these parents see what is happening... Yeah, it's this devilish concatenation of, you won't keep our children safe if they serve.
Secondly, it's a woke military.
And then lastly, we haven't even touched upon that.
That's for our next discussion.
They're not fit enough.
Even if you wanted to serve, they're not fit enough.
Just a much deeper problem.
Education.
Oh, education.
No P.E.
in schools.
Right.
No American history.
Civics and everything else.
Why do you want to defend that country?
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Annabelle has been waiting very, very patiently also in California.
Welcome, Annabelle.
Hello, Dr. Gorka.
I'm going to talk fast.
I don't mean to be rude, but I just want to get through this really fast.
Um, you know, I'm going to answer the, well, not that caller, but Death Santos, that he didn't heed the warnings, etc.
So I want to just go down memory lane really, really fast just to remind people, the Democrats, of certain things.
You want to talk about watching something, not heeding the warnings, watching the Taliban move month after month towards Kabul.
Everyone told them what would happen.
Trump warned them.
They didn't heed it.
That was what I call a botched evacuation.
Then let's get to everything else they've done.
The checks, they were told, don't send checks, no one will work.
Defund the police, it'll increase crime.
Shut down the pipeline, the price of gas will soar.
On and on and on.
Even Putin, I hate to say this, but the fact of the matter is, by shutting down Keystone and giving him Nordstrom, he emboldened him.
Exactly.
He was going to go in, for heaven's sakes.
Why didn't he just put out the red carpet for Putin to go into Ukraine?
But that's another phone call.
And let me get to the final one, because I know you have a lot of callers.
The final one I want to say is to my neighbor, Nancy Pelosi.
You know, she's on and on and on.
Well, let me tell you, Nancy, you had one job, which was to protect the Capitol.
You did not heed the forecast.
It was all, you want to talk about the Santos?
No, you didn't heed the forecast.
It was all over social media for weeks.
There was going to be outside agitators going into the Capitol.
They had someone the morning before, the morning of, Trump asked for National Guard.
You did not do your job, so I want to ask you, the $64,000, why did you let it happen?
Why didn't you heed the forecast?
Why didn't you do your job?
Don't worry about DeSantos, worry about your job.
And that's all I want to say.
You can see I'm worked up and I could go on for an hour, but I'll leave it at that.
I can hear it on your voice, Annabelle.
God bless you and thank you for your patience.
She's a neighbor to Nancy.
And you're right!
It was Nancy's responsibility.
Whoever is the incumbent Speaker of the House is responsible for the security of Congress.
She was warned and she did nothing.
I wonder why she did nothing.
Kevin in Kentucky, line 3.
Welcome, Kevin.
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Oh, the Führer's... I see what you did there.
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Oh, that's a good one too, yeah.
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Jeff in Houston, line one.
Jeff, welcome aboard.
Good afternoon, Dr. Gorka.
In light of Colonel Walkie's points, is there any senior advisors, weapons guys, or even mag guys left to go to Ukraine, or are we well past that?
I have one more question about the Black Sea.
Romania, Bulgaria, the Turks, the Dardanelles, what's going on over there with them?
With the Black Sea right now, hang on, can you clarify the first question?
What was your first question?
I'm sorry.
I wanted to ask about advisors to go along with all these weapons we're sending in.
Yeah, not something I'm going to discuss on unsecured public radio.
Okay.
OK.
Look, here's my take, Jeff.
As somebody who worked in the region for 15 years, who spent five of them working for a post-Soviet military, the Ministry of Defense in Hungary, They don't need highfalutin stuff that requires us to train them.
They need Soviet-era stuff and they need lots of ammunition.
They need ammunition, they need shells.
Artillery is the game-changer.
Along with the surface-to-air man-portable missiles.
But beyond that, it is ammunition, ammunition, ammunition.
So, not stuff that needs a lot of training from us, that's high-tech and is American.
They need Soviet-era equipment, and there's a lot of that in the region, because former Soviet Warsaw Pact members are now members of NATO, like the Baltic States, like Hungary, like Poland.
So that's my take.
Great questions.
Let's go to Brian in Green Bay, line four.
Welcome, Brian.
Except my brother from another mother.
I love the smackdown on Sam.
First of all.
You were listening to Sam.
He's pathetic.
He just rings in and the jokes aren't even funny!
They're not even funny!
Alright, what's your comment?
What's your question, Brian?
Well, I told Jeff, you know, we got the ships off of Alaska right now.
And do you think there's going to be something before the midterms?
I just I mean, you mean you mean you mean something happening with regards to Russia?
Yeah, I just believe Russia is going to do some some stuff before.
Do you believe that or not?
I don't know.
I look you work for the Trump administration.
You know this?
Yeah.
Impossible to tell.
I would say they're always stirring.
So when I was teaching for the DoD, I would always talk about Russia as an anti-status quo geopolitical player, Brian.
They're always trying to stir the pot, destabilize, create eddies in the geopolitical system and then exploit them for themselves.
They're always doing that, whether it's the Middle East, whether it's Europe, whether it's America.
Are they going to do more of it before the midterms?
I would hazard to say not more than they already do.
Why?
Because he's got enough problems at home.
When you've got people actually demonstrating on the streets of Moscow against the war in Ukraine, I would say he's probably a little bit distracted.
He's not going to play nice with us, but he's more distracted than he usually is.
Great questions!
Thank you everybody.
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Spicy!
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Title for the secretary.
War-torn Ukraine wants to join NATO?
Question mark exclamation.
Mm-hmm.
God.
Did you know that Howard Stern is a germophobe?
I believe it.
He's incredible.
He's been like that for 20 years.
According to the New York Post, last week was the first time he left his bunker since 2020.
I would believe that.
You know when he tried- You heard a couple weeks ago where he came out and said he's conservative.
Oh yes, right!
Just to rimp Trump.
But I'm a normal type of conservative.
He's such an ass, is what he is.
I never get tired of it!
Again, on CNN they still unironically call Ana Navarro a conservative Republican.
Like, who do they think they're fooling at this point?
Right.
Nobody.
Except their dumb viewers.
Not gonna use any cuts this final segment.
My lord, curse.
Maybe.
Alright.
Yeah, we've got a few left.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm doing fantastic, and it's not about kicking balls in the authority or anything.
I'm doing fine, and that's what my brain is saying silent phrases like.
It's not about kicking balls in the authority.
Mr. G, did Chris Hayes say anything after Fetterman did that brain fart?
Not that I remember.
How about the way that he opens up?
I just want to check in to see how you're doing.
Yeah, because they're always so solicitous of somebody's health.
If they're not actually suffering from brain freezes every single day, you're such a hack.
What's his name?
Oh yeah, Chris Hayes, the 12-year-old from MSNBC.
But it could be worse.
It could be Kamala Harris could be the Vice President of the United States.
This is how much of a racist she is.
She is going to dole out.
She's going to make sure that federal emergency assistance after Hurricane Ian is doled out based upon your race.
Let's play that.
Cut.
Cut.
Two.
It is our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions and impacted by issues that are not of their own making.
Absolutely.
And so we have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place.
So they have to be at the same place.
How do you get everybody to the same place?
Oh yeah, it's called communism.
So you're going to help people based upon their race?
Help me out here, Eric.
If a rich person loses their home in the hurricane and a poor person loses their home, is the rich person, like, more comfortable because they lost their home and they're rich?
I mean, at the end of the day, I think that all they really care about is giving disaster relief to whoever donates the most to the Democratic Party.
Ooh, there's a little spicy spin for you.
Equity.
Skin color!
We're gonna treat you differently based upon skin color.
That statement Promotes an illegal act.
Federal government is not allowed to actually do that, cackler.
You're not permitted to differentiate and discriminate in terms of assistance based upon shades of skin.
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Welcome, dear friends, to America First One-on-One with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka.
Very special guest today, somebody who we've been trying so hard to get on this show.
He's almost as hard as President Trump, but we got him.
He is the chief political writer.
Wow, what a great title.
For Spiked Online, Brendan O'Neill.
Welcome to One-on-One.
Hi, Seb.
Always a pleasure to be here.
Thank you.
All right.
Well, we're super, super excited to chat with you uninterrupted for the next hour.
Let's start with one of your... I've just been following you on Instagram.
You have a wonderful title.
It's Burnt Oak Boy.
Burnt the correct way with a T, not an E-D.
Burnt Oak Boy.
He could explain that to you when over a pint sometime.
But your latest post on Instagram is something I missed, which I...
I don't want to admit very often.
But it is shocking.
In an age where we have pipelines exploding, maternity clinics being bombed in Ukraine, we have women being killed for removing their hijab in Iran, you'd think the phrase weapons of war would be pretty well defined.
Well, not according to the Prime Minister of New Zealand, who had this to say at the United Nations.
Pay attention to her definition of weapons of war.
I can certainly understand the desire to leave it to someone else.
As leaders, we're rightly concerned that even the most light-touch approaches to disinformation could be misinterpreted as being hostile to the values of free speech that we value so highly.
But while I cannot tell you today what the answer is to this challenge, I can say with complete certainty that we cannot ignore it.
To do so poses an equal threat to the norms we all value.
After all, how do you successfully end a war if people are led to believe the reason for its existence is not only legal but noble?
How do you tackle climate change if people do not believe it exists?
But we have an opportunity here to ensure that these particular weapons of war do not become an established part of warfare.
These weapons of war?
You mean freedom of speech?
The mental gyrations required to start a speech saying freedom of speech is great, but then we have to get rid of it because it's a weapons war.
Brendan, you've been railing about this for years now.
God bless you.
Everything you write at Spiked Online, everything you discuss on your podcast.
However, I am an American now, but I do have very pessimistic Hungarian blood in my veins.
It seems as if things are getting worse before they're getting better.
Talk to us about that speech, fresh from the United Nations.
It was a shocking speech.
So that's Jacinda Ardern, who is obviously the Prime Minister of New Zealand.
She is every lovey's and Small l liberals favorite world leader, they absolutely fawn over her.
They think she's the most virtuous, wonderful, honest politician on earth.
I think she is the new face of authoritarianism.
I think, and that speech in particular really did expose the iron fist that lurks in the velvet glove of wokeness, because this is a politician who goes around Claiming to be very woke, very softly spoken, very caring, one of those new apparently female politicians that will save the world.
And yet here she was at the UN making a speech that was incredibly, painfully illiberal.
And the weapon of war she's talking about is online speech she doesn't like.
She refers to it as Misinformation or disinformation.
But very often when politicians talk about those things, they're talking about dissenting speech.
They're talking about ideas they disapprove of.
They're talking about worldviews they don't like.
And that's what she's really talking about when she talks about words on the Internet that she thinks are like weapons and which the world needs to control more tightly.
I found it a very creepy authoritarian speech.
And sadly it's not just one speech at the United Nations or something coming out of New Zealand.
We had here just a few months ago the Department of Homeland Security, which is supposed to stop terrorists, decide to create the Government Disinformation Board and have it headed by somebody who said the disinformation peddlers like the GOP, meaning the Republican Party, that's the kind of person they would want to put in place as the propaganda minister.
All right, let's talk about you for a second, because we come from very different political sides of the aisle, let's say.
I grew up under Maggie Thatcher.
I love Maggie Thatcher.
I live in the US right now.
I work for President Trump in the White House.
But I find in your kindred spirit, and I've got to ask you, as a man of the left, if I'm permitted to say so, you must be in a very small tribe right now, because it seems as if the institutional left We are very much in the, you know, Jacinda Ardern government disinformation control Orwellian ecosystem.
What happened to the left?
Because I thought the left were supposed to be the champions of freedom of speech.
Tell us your journey.
Let's talk about Brendan O'Neill and let's talk about your political evolution.
And what happened to you?
Because I see reflections in Ronald Reagan, who was a Democrat and who said, I didn't leave the Democrat Party.
The Democrat Party left me.
So tell us a little bit about your story in Spiked Online.
Yeah, well, I completely agree with Ronald Reagan's line.
I think I would apply that to myself as well.
Not in relation to the Democratic Party, of course, because I'm not in the US, but in relation to the left.
I feel that I didn't leave the left.
I feel that the left left me.
And I know there are other people out there who feel similarly.
And the way I saw that when I became a radical leftist when I was young, the reason I was drawn to the left is firstly because they did talk about freedom of speech.
So if you go back to the 80s and the 90s in particular, which I have some memory of, it tended to be the kind of right wing, more Christian section of politics that was in favor of censorship.
And the left was generally quite countercultural, quite open minded and in favor of freedom.
They've completely abandoned that.
And now the left is at the forefront of cancel culture, the forefront of shutting people down.
So they've abandoned their belief in freedom.
The other thing that drew me to the left was their belief in progress, their belief in industrial progress, that mankind should exploit nature in order to create more wealth.
Well, they've given up on that as well.
And they've embraced the Malthusian politics of environmentalism, which says we need less progress, less industry, less growth.
So they've ditched that policy too.
And then of course, the other thing I liked about the left was its universalism, its belief that people had a lot in common, and we should focus on what we have in common rather than what separates us.
But now they've gone down the rabbit hole of identity politics where they're constantly talking about racial differences and the fact that white people can't understand black people and we should all stay in our lane and don't engage in cultural appropriation.
So they've abandoned universal ideals as well.
So all those things that drew me to the left Freedom, universalism, a belief that mankind should create more stuff so that people would be wealthier and happier.
The left's given up on all of that.
I haven't.
I still hold on to those beliefs and they call me right wing for doing so.
So that leaves me in a pretty confused position.
All right, well, you're a warrior, and we very much enjoy everything you do at Spiked Online.
Please listen to his podcast, the Brendan O'Neill podcast, and follow him at BurntOakBoy.
He's wearing a very natty hat in his Instagram profile.
It says, what, Make Women Great Again or something like that.
I love it, from our friend Posey Parker.
Have you put any thought to how that happened?
How did the left, that were, you know, burning brows and building barricades for, you know, freedom and whatever in the 60s, how they became the censorious, there will be no progress, we're going to control information.
Is it because the revolutionaries left the campuses and became the ministers, became the establishment, became the editors?
What was the key to that 180 degree reversal, Brendan, in your opinion?
I think fundamentally the left lost faith in ordinary people and I think there were two great periods in which that happened.
The first was in the 1960s when the left became much more culturally inclined so it gave up on questions of class And questions about the economy and questions about production, which is what the left had been concerned with for 100 years before that.
And in the 60s, it became much more about cultural issues.
You know, the evils of advertising and consumer society and the brain dead masses going to work every day like a bunch of idiots.
So the left shifted towards a cultural critique of mass society.
And as a consequence, they lost faith in the masses, who they saw as being a bit brainwashed and a bit stupid.
And then again, in the 1980s, I think there was another development in the left's break with ordinary people, because, of course, the right was being successful across much of the Western world, particularly in the UK with Thatcher and in the US with Reagan.
And that's really the time that the left loses faith in democracy and starts looking for other ways to effect change, whether through the judicial wing or through the European Union.
In Britain's case, they looked for ways outside of democracy to circumvent democracy in order to make things happen that they would like to see happen.
So in the 60s and the 80s, there was a massive shift of the left away from ordinary people and towards state structures.
And they started to distrust us.
And in the process, they gave up on the idea of freedom, I think.
I love that.
I think there's something, too, that I haven't heard that said as trenchantly before, that they fell out of love with the thing they were defending, and they weren't interested in protecting democracy anymore.
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There's a story, Brendan, that kind of died far too rapidly.
You managed to, you know, get the defibrillator paddles on the chest of this story and reinvigorate it.
And this is the amazing interview our buddies Constantine Kissin and Francis Foster of the Trigonometry podcast did with another lovey of the left, the darling, what is it, the dark rider of the secular apocalypse, Sam Harris, one of the four.
And we cannot afford to have four more years with this guy, right?
And so what should well-intentioned people do who have a lot of power in these various ways?
from none other than Sam Harris on the Trigonometry Podcast, cut two.
And we cannot afford to have four more years with this guy, right?
And so what should well-intentioned people do who have a lot of power in these various ways?
You know, you're running the New York Times, you're running CNN, you're running Twitter.
What should they conspire to do?
We're going to open up this laptop from hell and the news cycle for who knows how long is going to be just conceivably just a nuclear bomb of an October surprise.
And we're going to get four more years of Trump if we actually give this a fair hearing.
So the first sentence and the last sentence are the bombshells there.
Nobody actually focused on that cut.
They focused on the dead bodies.
If Hunter Biden had dead bodies in his basement of children, I wouldn't care.
I think that cut is more important.
You've written a superb piece.
I'm going to post it again right now.
Sam Harris, religious fundamentalist.
But the first sentence he says is, we cannot afford to have four more years of Trump.
Who's the we and who gave him a mandate and at the end he said we cannot afford to give this information a fair hearing?
I mean how chilling is that Brendan?
That is incredibly chilling because what he's essentially saying is I support the suppression of information that I don't like.
I support the suppression of stories that are inconvenient for politicians who I approve of and which might damage Joe Biden in particular.
So clearly he's talking about the Hunter Biden laptop story, the fact that the New York Post blew it up just before the 2020 presidential and he said he was in favor, Sam Harris said he was in favor of social media suppression of that story and the fact that the prestige media like the New York Times and CNN didn't cover it and said it was a non-event.
It's really incredible to hear Sam Harris be open about this.
This is a guy who poses as a secularist, one of the best known secularists in the world.
He thinks religion is regressive and backward and too dogmatic.
And there he is being dogmatic himself, and saying that his dogmatic belief that Trump would be, a second Trump term would be awful, that should take precedence over our ability to know the truth about this particular story.
I found it incredibly chilling that someone would so openly defend Silicon Valley suppression of a very interesting story that people had the right to know about.
Yeah, I don't want to be, nobody's ever accused me of being an intellectual snob, but I have to make one additional observation, but you've got to read Brendan's piece.
This is a man who's famous for one thing, saying that he's rational, that emotions must not drive your decisions, and that's why I am an ardent secularist, an ardent atheist.
And this whole interview is him using fake rationale to justify his emotional hatred of one person, is it not?
Absolutely.
That's exactly what it is.
And, you know, you said earlier that we got a peek behind the curtain at what he is like, and that is exactly what happened in that interview.
I think he exposed Just how authoritarian his instincts really are.
I think it's a good example of what is referred to as Trump derangement syndrome.
I know that's become a slightly overused phrase, but it's actually quite accurate to describe some people's view of Trump as the worst thing that's ever happened in Western political life.
I mean, they really went completely overboard in their criticisms of Trump, and they saw him almost as Evil as a new Hitler.
They became hysterical in the way that they talked about him.
And that's another striking thing about the Sam Harris interview.
He talks about Trump almost as if he's a demonic figure, a devil-like figure.
And this is a guy who's supposed to be rational, who's supposed to be a secularist, but he clearly believes Trump is evil and that any means are justified to silence a story that might benefit Trump.
He came off as very irrational and very authoritarian.
He actually compares the man elected by 74 million Americans to an asteroid that's going to destroy the Earth.
It's not very cold and calculated and rational.
No, absolutely not.
That was a very good example of how far the anti-Trump hysteria can go.
You know, an asteroid hitting the Earth would destroy life as we know it.
A second Trump term would not have done that.
You know, let's just be very clear about this.
But this is the view they have.
They have this Armageddon-like view, which is also a quite religious view, ironically for Sam Harris.
They have this view that the end of days are just around the corner, and if we have another Trump, or if Boris Johnson were to come back, or the fact that we've now got Giorgia Maloney in Italy, they really do see all of these elected politicians, democratically elected, They see them as harbingers of doom, of the end of the world.
And that's just irrational.
It's anti-democratic.
And we need to get political debate back onto a reasoned plane.
I don't know whether it was Augustine or Tom Sequinas, but one of the great theologians said, if you try and deny the existence of God, you will leave a God-shaped hole in the soul.
And that's what these people have filled there.
God-shaped hole with whether it's apocalyptic environmentalism or saying Donald Trump is a killer asteroid.
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This is the first cut we prepare today.
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And Hillary Clinton, for all of her flaws, was not worse than Trump.
Joe Biden, we could have known Joe Biden was going to just be comatose in office.
Not worse than Trump.
Kamala Harris, not worse.
And again, it's not just a marginal call.
It's just, these are people who are Normal politicians who are so much more constrained by predictable machinery, right?
There's such less of an opportunity there to destroy institutions that we have to rely on, right?
With any of those people in charge, including a random person in charge.
So the expressions on Francis and Constantine's faces is perhaps the most enjoyable part of that creepy interview.
So just those phrases there, that Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are the normal ones, the normal ones.
Who are constrained by institutions they don't wish to destroy.
For me, if you read between the lines, Brendan, they're the people that keep the elite in power.
That's why I like them.
And the institutions are protecting me and giving me my credentials.
Therefore, I can't have Donald Trump.
Am I reading too much into that?
No, not at all.
I think that's right.
I think a lot of these people, including Sam Harris, are really only interested in defending the status quo.
And it's a status quo that they benefit from enormously.
I'm sure he's well-connected.
I'm sure he moves in certain circles.
He benefits from the old establishment and the way that it does politics and the ideas that it pushes into the public realm.
Well, bully for him.
But there are millions of people out there in the United States who felt completely and utterly disrespected and cut off by that old establishment.
Which is now back in power, unfortunately.
Let's not forget that you had Hillary Clinton referring to some Trump voters as a basket of deplorables.
Well, just last week she said they were raising their hands like Nazis at a rally.
I mean, as she's wearing a black leather jacket, not a good look.
But here's my question for you, because I think the phenomena of the rejection of the elite is a transatlantic one.
You look at Brexit, you look at Maloney, you look at President Trump.
Is the attitude we just witnessed in those two cuts, Brendan, is it just the elite?
Is it just the urban elite?
Or do left-wing voters Actually believe this kind of garbage as well?
I think a lot of left-wing voters do believe it and Britain is a good example because the fight we had over Brexit was just extraordinary and Brexit was really one of the earliest expressions of populism.
We're seeing a lot of democratic populism around the world.
I think Maloney's part of that.
Trump was part of that.
What happened in Sweden recently with a very big vote for the Sweden Democrats was part of that too.
Brexit was an early expression of it and I was really shocked by how many people in the elites and how many left-wing voters I know were saying let's stop Brexit from happening.
This was the largest democratic vote in the history of the United Kingdom.
More people voted for Brexit than have ever voted for anything in this country since we got the franchise.
And yet they wanted to prevent it from happening.
So when I saw Sam Harris speaking in that anti-democratic authoritarian way, it did make me think of the elite's war on Brexit and their determination to stop populism in its tracks.
I think populism is a good thing because it's ordinary people holding the old establishment to account and saying we want our interests represented for a change.
Yeah, the way that they've managed to make the word populism pejorative.
Populism means it's popular.
I thought that's the kind of point of representative democracy.
It's absolutely astounding.
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This is from another one of your Instagram posts.
It is burnt oak boy.
That is the Instagram pseudonym for our guest Brendan O'Neill.
It has to do with a certain Canadian teacher who has a certain proclivity.
Let's put this article up on the screen, please.
So this is Kyler Lemieux, who Well, I don't know.
What's the latest analysis, Brendan O'Neill?
So we have this video of this man in a very bad, ill-fitting wig with kind of cartoonish prosthetic breasts that reach down to his waist.
The latest news here in America is that this is a punking, this is a stunt, this is a person who had issues with the regime in his school for not being politically correct and this is his defense mechanism.
Or do you just think he's a pervert?
Anyway, what are the big stories or the conclusions we draw from this very, very peculiar story north of our border?
Well, I've seen that report too, that it might be him being anti-woke.
He might be gaming the system and trying to expose how ridiculous the transgender ideology has become and how ridiculous wokeness has become.
So let's wait and see.
That does seem to have come from just one anonymous post on 4chan, so I am sceptical, but we'll wait and see.
But either way, whether he really is a perverted bloke who gets some kind of weird thrill from walking around with Huge prosthetic breasts or if he's gaming the system.
The key point still stands which is that our institutions have lost the plot and that includes schools.
Schools have become so corrupted by the woke ideology and by the ideas of transgenderism in particular that they would allow a teacher like this to carry on teaching.
They do teach the craziest stuff about gender to young impressionable kids.
They tell them that sex and gender are unrelated and that you can change your sex and that you can be a they-them if you don't feel like a girl or a boy.
They are pumping kids in schools across the Western world now with this very dangerous ideology.
So I think the key part of this story, he might be joking or he might be serious, but the real important thing is that the school defended him on the basis of his rights to gender expression.
And I think our schools and other institutions have become so corroded by the new ideologies that they've lost the ability to make any kind of moral judgment.
Yeah, well, there's big news in the UK with the closing down of the Tavistock Institute that was the hub of the transgender surgery, especially for minors in the UK.
But you've written a piece called The Tyranny of Pride, and you actually say the tyranny of the pride movement.
Talk to us about how, well, let me give you my take.
There's some very interesting things happening.
With a kind of breakage, a fracture between the old gay rights movement and the aggressive transgenderism.
You can, you know, chemically castrate a 12 year old boy and it's great.
But also there is the institutional creep, as you said, of these insane policies into government.
I think this will be a key red pill moment for many people who are apolitical or independent who say, hang on, what is my local public school teaching that, you know, my child can transition and it's kept a secret from me?
Here in the county where I live, Brendan, the local school board, this is the richest county in America, Fairfax County, just decided if a kindergartner misgenders their fellow student, they can be suspended.
A kindergartner, okay?
So do you think that there will be increasing fractures on the left within this extremist movement?
And also do you think that this could be the kind of Damascene moment for a lot of people who wake up and say, hey, this isn't crazy?
be.
I really hope so.
I think that's already starting to happen.
I think this could be the flashpoint issue for lots of voters and for lots of ordinary people who've had enough of where society seems to be going.
I think there are politicians in the U.S.
who are being very interesting on these kinds of issues like Ron DeSantis, Glenn Youngking.
I think the good thing about politicians like that is that they recognize people feel exhausted and beaten down by the left's culture war, particularly in schools.
And they want to stand up for their kids, stand up for normal education and stand up for the ideas like biological sex and the fact that there are boys and girls and men and women.
And that's really all about that.
That's it.
really.
So some politicians are starting to really, I think, use these issues in a very clever way to try and create a new discussion in political life.
And I hope that happens in the UK as well.
And you're right, there is a huge fissure is opening up on the left as well.
So you have the old gay rights movement from the 70s and the 80s who feel very uncomfortable with the politics of transgenderism in particular, because they see it in some ways as being homophobic.
And They see it as a form of woke homophobia, the idea that a man can be a lesbian, for example, and that a man can go into a lesbian only space.
And also, I really don't want to go down this rabbit warren too much, but there's this idea that a large proportion of the young boys who are being transitioned would actually end up just being gay men.
And they see this as an assault on their gay culture.
Absolutely.
And what they see, they see it as conversion therapy.
This is the great irony of the trans movement.
It does look like a modern form, a secular form of conversion therapy.
So young boys who probably would become gay are often being transed into being female.
And lots of young lesbians now are binding their breasts or they're having top surgery at a young age and they're taking hormones and growing moustaches and their voices are deepening.
The idea of, well, if you're a lesbian or a tomboy, then you should be turned into a man.
And I think the gay rights movement finds that quite repulsive as well.
It's almost like we are medically correcting young people who are simply effeminate boys or masculine girls.
You know, there is a country out there, which I think it has the second highest number of trans operations in the world, which is Iran.
And the reason Iran has so many trans operations is because it is a homophobic country.
And it would rather that a gay man became a woman rather than he was living as a gay man.
So the fact that some of that Ideology is being brought into the West.
That should worry people, I think, who believe in freedom and equality.
Which really shines a light on why this is happening.
It has nothing to do with the Hippocratic Oath or healthcare.
It is treating human beings as tools of an ideology.
I am, you know, using chemicals or surgery on a child to fit my ideological needs.
Whether I'm a mullah in Iran Or whether I'm an aggressive trans person here in the United States.
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All right, last question.
Big picture question for you, Brendan.
I know you can handle it.
In the last 15 years, yeah, let's go 10, 15 years.
So let's go Brexit, Trump, then what's happening in Sweden, in Italy.
There seems to be a short span cycle, a trend line, whereby the people And this is not a Marxist analysis, it's just a political analysis.
The people reject the elites, whatever format they come in and say, OK, enough, enough.
I'm a Labour voter from the North and I'm going to vote for Brexit.
Screw Labour.
And then in comes Brexit, in comes Donald Trump, in comes Orbán.
And then there is a counter.
There's the 2020 election here in America with all of its massive, massive problems.
In the UK, as somebody born in the UK, I was horrified to see the whole establishment try to sabotage Brexit for nigh on four years.
The House of Commons, the Lords, billionaire lawyers, the media, you name it, just saying, Forget the people!
Who cares about the people?
And then it swings back.
Are we locked into this perpetual cycle of a punch and a defense and a punch and defense?
Or do you feel optimistic that the writ of the people is gaining more momentum than the elite?
How do you look at the future?
That's a really good question.
And I think we probably will be locked into that cycle of conflict for the foreseeable future.
But I think one of the ironies of populism is that it is a way for ordinary people to make their voices heard and to put themselves on the agenda.
But at the same time, it has the effect of galvanizing the elites and it makes the elites realize That they need to get their act together.
You know, we are ruled by elites that are, in my view, not very competent.
They don't have very strong beliefs, certainly not beliefs that I would share.
They're somewhat all over the place.
But what's happened since the populist explosion over the past six or seven years is that they have realized they need to get their act together.
And the way you describe the elites clamped down, attempted clampdown on Brexit, is very accurate.
They really did pull together to try to prevent ordinary people, pesky ordinary people, from having their political say.
So we are going to see that tension, I think, between the elites and the people, which is why it's so important, I think, to keep pushing the populist argument, to keep saying that ordinary people's views should be represented, that they should be represented in schools, in the workplace, and that they should be represented in schools, in the workplace, and in And we've had enough of being ruled by elites who are incompetent and regressive and are pushing ideologies that are damaging to society.
So the populist revolt against that certainly needs to continue.
I think that first adjective is very, very important.
The good news is the people we're struggling with, wrestling with, are For the most part, very incompetent.
This is not an impressive bunch.
Now, that's bad news if you're the President of the United States and you've got 4,000 nuclear missiles.
But at the end of the day, if you're an incompetent, you're an incompetent and you can be defeated and the will of the people will prevail.
In the meantime, educate yourself.
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