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	The End Welcome dear friends, good friends.
	Greetings.
	This is America First with me, your host, Dr. G. I hope you had a blessed, blessed Memorial Weekend.
	We have so much to discuss.
	It feels like a Monday.
	It's a Tuesday, but it is a high news day.
	Breaking news from the Sussman trial.
	We will cover that.
	Also, the latest pronouncements from the man in the White House.
	But first, Here's some good news.
	Here's something we can celebrate.
	Over the weekend, with my best buddy here in the United States, I went to the movie theaters, and it was rather crowded, I'm happy to say, even for the early showing.
	of the movie which made I think 160 million dollars this weekend.
	It is Top Gun Maverick.
	If you're on social media you will see all kinds of content about Top Gun Maverick, the sequel that is occurring 34 years from the first Top Gun.
	Let me give you my take and why so many people are celebrating this movie.
	If you Go back in time if you've seen the first one.
	Funnily enough, my wife and I decided to stream Top Gun the original just last week.
	I guess we were preparing for the second one, although I didn't know it was going to be any good at all.
	And you realize that the original was...
	The Quintessence of the 1980s, a film that single-handedly resulted in a 500% increase of applicants to the U.S.
	Navy's fighter plane or the U.S.
	Navy aviator program.
	It was a celebration of that period, of America, of the Reagan era.
	Now, almost four decades later, Hollywood Well, it's been captured.
	It's been captured by those who believe in political correctness, the synonym of which is, in fact, censorship.
	that are woke, that believe that the most important thing is to placate the communist Chinese markets so their films can be made there, and to fit into the latest trend in the local politics here in America, be it transgenderism, be it Black Lives Matter, social justice, or as a very good reviewer called The Critical Drinker on YouTube calls it, the message.
	Top Gun doesn't do any of that, and neither does the sequel.
	For those who haven't seen it, close your ears!
	It's about the hero of the first movie, Pete Mitchell, now captain in the Navy, who's been, I don't know, floating in the rank of captain for 15 years.
	Should be an admiral by now, shouldn't you, Pete?
	Going back to train the best of the best.
	A group of pilots who have been chosen for a very dangerous mission behind enemy lines.
	To destroy a nuclear weapons facility just before it comes online to prevent that nation from becoming a nuclear nation that could threaten America and her allies.
	Pete Mitchell struggles with this because he says, I'm not a teacher.
	He actually is reunited with Val Kilmer, the actor who played Iceman, who's in real life very sick, having bouts of throat cancer.
	He actually appears in the movie playing an admiral who is dying of cancer.
	Very nicely handled scene with Val Kilmer.
	And Val says, you're the best.
	You've got to teach them.
	So he teaches them in the way that a maverick only can.
	Breaking the rules, breaking the regulations for training, and pushing them, including the son of his former RIO, his former radar officer who was killed in that accident from the first movie.
	A lot of tension between Goose's son, Col Sign Rooster, and the captain.
	Now, why is it a good movie?
	A lot of people have focused on the same things.
	Technical things.
	And technically, it is.
	It is a marvelous film.
	If you recall the slightly hokey first Top Gun, you could tell that Val Kilmer, Tom Cruise, and everybody else were sitting in mock-ups of cockpits, being shook by the gaffer, by the key grip in front of a green screen or rear projection.
	None of that in this movie.
	In this movie, I think there's nary any CGI even, except perhaps for a certain Soviet helicopter that is blown out of the air.
	The rest of it, the dogfighting, which is incredible photography, the high-speed nap of the earth flying, and the scenes from inside the cockpit where they put IMAX cameras inside real jet aircraft.
	There's no faking it.
	You see these people being pushed back by the G-forces, the sockets of their eyes expanding.
	Yeah, it's amazing.
	It's real.
	And it goes to Tom Cruise's reputation for Getting rather deeply serious about his acting and stunts.
	Thank you.
	Yes, Eric.
	Let's play that trailer again.
	It's a bit of B-roll.
	So technically, it's good.
	The acting is good.
	Not because Tom Cruise is a great actor.
	Stop it, guys.
	This is the last great Hollywood actor.
	No, he's not a good actor.
	He's good at playing Tom Cruise.
	Yes?
	A cocky, snarky, ego maniac who is fun to watch.
	It's like Sean Connery.
	Sean Connery was great at playing Sean Connery.
	Okay?
	It was like Clint Eastwood, who, by the way, happy birthday to Clint Eastwood.
	So the acting is good because he's playing himself.
	The technical aspects are superb.
	But what really, really marks this film out are the values around which the story is built.
	Firstly, it celebrates service to something outside of yourself.
	Service to the mission, to the cause, to the nation, to keeping citizens of this country safe.
	It also celebrates sacrifice.
	Whether it's the sacrifice of Rooster's father Goose, or whether it's the sacrifice of these young fighter-bomber pilots who are potentially going on a suicide mission to protect their fellow man.
	And then lastly, as I was watching As an immigrant, and I was reminded today by Chris Plant.
	Thank you, Chris.
	This is the 10th anniversary.
	This year will be the 10th anniversary of me becoming an American.
	I didn't even realize, but thank you, Chris.
	Sitting in that darkened cinema, watching Top Gun Maverick, I had a new understanding of what America is.
	Or at least, one of the key characteristics of this, the greatest nation on God's Earth.
	And it has something to do with the real.
	Fighter pilots.
	The real best of the best.
	The real Miramar Top Gun students.
	And that's excellence.
	As I tweeted after the movie, so much about America is and has to do with excellence.
	The best of the best, brooking no compromise, never ever giving up.
	And if you understand that, if you understand how much the American character is shaped by the concept of excellence, you'll understand why this movie resonates.
	Why Hollywood originally resonated with the same message of excellence.
	And why you and I are joined because of that concept.
	We're never going to sacrifice that.
	And we're never going to surrender to those who think America is the problem and hate that excellence.
	Dear friends, go and see it!
	But first, you gotta see 2,000 Mules, of course.
	It is Top Gun Maverick.
	It is the sequel.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, former strategist of President Trump, member of the National Security Education Board of the Pentagon.
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	back with the Galactic Grandmaster.
	The Galactic Grandmaster
	The Galactic Grandmaster The Galactic Grandmaster What?
	All right, put him in the make-up.
	All right.
	All right.
	Oh, there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Yes, indeed.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	So kind.
	Somebody get me a bucket to vomit in.
	I'm seeing this guy Sussman giving a press conference outside the D.C.
	court.
	The man who was found not guilty of lying to the FBI, even though we have the text messages he sent to the FBI in which he lied about the smear campaign that he was Sending across D.C.
	on the orders of Hillary Clinton.
	Oh!
	Oh!
	He was found not guilty by a jury in a city that voted 93% for Hillary Clinton and 94% for Biden.
	What a surprise.
	An utter, utter travesty.
	Let's get Andy McCarthy to discuss that.
	We'll get him on the show.
	Let's talk about recent... We'll get to your cause, Al.
	Glenn, don't go anywhere, but we've got to talk about what the...
	The current incumbent in the White House has said over the weekend, first is, it's quite, I don't know, is this guy just never handled a gun before in his life?
	This is what he thinks about the 9mm handgun that I carry and the power of that caliber.
	It's a noisy cut, listen to it.
	Cut 4!
	A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.
	So the idea of these high-caliber weapons, there's just, there is simply no rational basis for it in terms of what we see about self-protection, hunting.
	No basis for self-protection or hunting for the high caliber 9mm.
	Well, first things first, it's a handgun round, which means it's not a high caliber, high power anything.
	That's a rifle round.
	Number two, you don't use it for hunting because it is a handgun round designed for military use.
	It is the 9mm Luger.
	And it is exactly what you use for self-defense.
	It is the most popular centerfire pistol cartridge in America and the world.
	The only caliber more popular than that is the .22LR, which is a rimfire caliber.
	But the first part of that is quite astounding.
	Where does he get this idea that being shot by a handgun round of any caliber Blows your lungs out of your body.
	I don't think I've even seen that in a science fiction movie or in a comic strip.
	But it's all about, really, your civil rights.
	It's not about calibers.
	It's not about what that senile old man says.
	It's about the Second Amendment.
	Cut three.
	The Second Amendment is not absolute because you couldn't buy a cannon.
	a lot of weapons.
	The Second Amendment is not absolute because you couldn't buy a cannon.
	Jeff, are you there?
	I'm here.
	You keep a track on these things.
	How many times has he said that you can't buy a cannon back in the 1770s?
	He does that every time he talks about deer with vests.
	That's right, the deer with the Kevlar vest, which I guess he thinks is funny, and then you couldn't buy a cannon Well, you could.
	You could buy a cannon in 1776, Sleepy Joe.
	And guess what?
	You can still buy a cannon now!
	My late father-in-law had a cannon that he would fire off every 4th of July.
	It was legal then!
	And it's legal now!
	And you don't even need a permit!
	To have a cannon.
	They're coming after your rights.
	They're coming after the amendment that makes all the others possible.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Line one.
	Al in California.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hello, Sebastian.
	Hey.
	Hey, uh, by the way, it's also legal to own a tank.
	Listen, I want to bring two things to your attention.
	One is there's a World War II movie a la Band of Brothers coming up under the tutelage of, uh, Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg, but it's about air war, and somebody spotted a huge fiberglass replica B-17 on a British airstrip, and I've forgotten the title of it, but it's a la Band of Brothers.
	You might want to take a look.
	But it's not a TV show, it's a movie?
	It's a movie.
	It's a series.
	It might be a TV show, but I can't remember.
	I went by so fast I wasn't able to... I'll check it out.
	B-17.
	Excellent.
	What else, my friend?
	And the other thing is, Senator Kennedy, who's one of the funniest guys, said something that's just stuck in my mind.
	He said, if gun laws work, he said Chicago would be like Mayberry.
	No, absolutely.
	There were how many shootings?
	There were, I think, 80 shootings over the long weekend in Chicago alone.
	But strangely, Kamala and Sleepy Joe don't go to Chicago, a city where handguns are illegal.
	That stuff is already illegal.
	Why pass more redundant gun control laws?
	Listen, final point on this thing.
	They keep saying these are military weapons.
	I've told you this before.
	Every gun in the world, from the brown vest musket forward, is militarily descended.
	What does that mean?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, a spear, if you want to get technical, a spear is militarily descended.
	A pike is militarily descended.
	A muzzle-loading weapon is militarily descended.
	Thank you, Al, for making those points.
	It's not about stopping criminals, it's about disarming us, so we can't replace the government when they become real dictators.
	Glenn, Arizona, line two.
	So my question for you is, I had heard this weekend that the Parkland shooting deputy... Parkland?
	You mean Uvalde?
	No, no, no.
	Four or five years ago, Parkland shooter, there was a deputy that did not engage, and he has not been taken to trial because his lawyer is hiding behind qualified immunity.
	So I'm wondering, my question for you is, he said that these officers do not have a legal requirement to go in there and save victims.
	Do you think that's what happened with Uvalde?
	If these people are going to hide behind qualified immunity?
	No, no.
	What we've heard... Great question.
	What we've heard in Uvalde, Glenn, at the moment is the tactical commander on the ground made a decision, a bad decision, a very bad decision.
	He said this isn't an active shooter scenario.
	And I'm just reporting the latest, OK?
	This could change in the next three minutes.
	It could change in the next three hours.
	It's still too fresh.
	But the latest reports are the following.
	And thank you for bringing this up.
	The person who took tactical command on the ground outside the school said this is no longer an active shooter situation because the individual is in one classroom and limited to one classroom and he classified that as a barricaded shooter and that's why he kept those 19 officers outside of the building and prevented the parents from going in.
	Bad, bad call because when you are talking about a mass murderer in a school Whether it's a psycho like this 18 year old, whether it's a terrorist, you don't go by the old scenarios of barricaded shooters.
	You go with active and you go in.
	I discussed this years ago with tactical officers and we came to the same agreement.
	Now the rules are very simple.
	First on the scene, first to enter.
	You can't wait because it's about mass carnage.
	You get on your, even if you don't have it, you know, you go in, but if you have it, you put on your hard-plated ceramic vest.
	You put a round in your long arm and you go into the building and you neutralize that threat.
	This tactical officer made a bad call.
	A very, very bad call.
	But hopefully we will find out more as the investigation continues.
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	Three minutes, ten seconds.
	- Seconds.
	Would you like the mics on, Seth?
	- Cloud to do that.
	- Yeah, and he brought his own DP, brought his own director.
	- Yeah.
	Let me know when they're in.
	Hey Sep, do you hear me?
	No, I know.
	He's just like, I don't.
	I'll mute him for now.
	He doesn't have his headphones in yet.
	Oh, OK.
	Let me know when they're in.
	Hey, Seth, do you hear me?
	Can you hear me in your ear?
	Are you around this week?
	No, I'm leaving tomorrow.
	I know.
	Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
	Why?
	I went to grab a cigar.
	I'd love to when I get back.
	I mean next week.
	All right, so come in with Clint.
	Come in with Clint Eastwood.
	No liner.
	That's cut 11.
	So now your whole show is always televised?
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It goes out on this thing's set and news channel, so if you've got Roku and... I would have dressed if I'd known.
	It's so hot out, I just love it.
	I know.
	You got clips on, ready guy?
	Clips on, and then M3, and then back one.
	All right.
	I mean, the problem is these guilds, you know, the writer's guild and everything, they're insisting on equity in the, you know.
	We'll talk about that.
	Alright, 60 seconds.
	Oh, have you got his book, Truth and Beauty?
	I do not.
	Can you pull it up while we're talking?
	I'll grab that real quick.
	Thanks.
	How's Katie doing?
	Good.
	She's in Nashville with Heritage.
	You're kidding.
	Deserted me for three days.
	And then we're going to go to Princeton because it's our son's last race for Stanford.
	Oh, right.
	When is that?
	This Friday, Saturday.
	Oh, great.
	OK.
	That's exciting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then he graduates in three weeks, which is nuts.
	Those four years, I think they're the fastest four years of your life.
	I know.
	No, no.
	All right, stand by.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I know what you're thinking.
	Did he fire six shots or only five?
	Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I kind of lost track myself.
	But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question.
	Do I feel like it?
	Well, do you, punk?
	But does it blow the lungs out of your body, is the question.
	Like that dastardly 9mm that Biden told you about.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We played that.
	Why?
	Happy birthday to the man, the legend, Clint Eastwood.
	Born the same year as my father.
	Today, 92 years young.
	Wow, what a legend.
	Still going strong.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We're going to celebrate Clint Eastwood and everything he represents.
	Top Gun, Maverick.
	With a man who's been inside the sausage factory making sausages.
	He's author, script writer, amateur theologian, galactic super master.
	He is none other than Andrew Klavan.
	Andrew, welcome to One on One.
	It is great to see you.
	All right, so we have so much to discuss.
	We've got to talk about your new book, Truth and Beauty.
	I want to recognize the autobiography that you wrote.
	A great, good thing as well.
	Anything with this guy's name on it, just buy it and read it.
	It's fun.
	You, outrageously, have revealed to me that you've not seen Top Gun, Malcolm.
	I tried to get through it yesterday.
	I just couldn't get out of the house.
	But I'll tell you, it's excellent.
	Nothing, not one scintilla of wokeness in it.
	There are black actors, there are Hispanic actors, but there's no wokification, there's no transgenderism, nothing of the sort.
	There is a celebration of these things.
	There's a celebration of service to something outside of yourself.
	There's a celebration of sacrifice.
	And the thing that really, the word that most epitomized this movie for me which helped me understand after I saw it that it's the same word that has such a core meaning to being an American and America is excellence it was a celebration of excellence so we said a little about we talked about this in the break but is this a a swan song is this Tom Cruise doing what only Tom Cruise can do or is this perhaps an indication of something
	Well, it is Tom Cruise doing what only he can do.
	He's the only one with enough clout to just say, this is the picture we're making, I don't care what you think, I don't care what... Because he brought his own director, he brought his own DP, he probably raised the funds himself, so it was his baby.
	He is the last movie star at this level.
	I mean, he's a guy who can just... He can do anything he wants, pretty much, because he could make the movie himself if he wanted to.
	So yeah in in that sense it is him acting alone but there are little rumblings you know Netflix coming out of a pandemic when everybody everything was Netflix and show people were streaming you know days on end they were losing subscribers they were losing subscribers and now they've sent out a letter saying you know if you don't like the fact that we let various voices speak maybe Netflix is not the place you should be working they sent this out to their employees
	If you saw the latest, you know, some of the latest comedy specials, they're full of jokes about transgenderism.
	They're pretty unwoke.
	So I don't know.
	The problem we've got, the problem they've got out there is that a lot of the guilds, Writers Guild, very left wing.
	I'm a member of the Writers Guild.
	You have to be to have worked in Hollywood.
	They're saying, well, you have to have equity in your writers room.
	Which means quotas.
	Quotas, and what it really means, which is just terrible, is that I know people who have literally had black writers attached to their projects with credits, but told they don't have to do anything.
	But not only that, we have that story from two weeks ago from a comedian who said his agent told him, you are the wrong skin color, we can't give you jobs, you're white.
	That's happening all over.
	That has been happening all over for quite some time.
	So if that's the case, can that be reverse-engineered?
	Because if the people who are doing the hirings are saying, you're white, you can't have a job, you're black, but you can just sit in the corner and get paid for doing nothing, then the system's hardwired, isn't it?
	Well, it is, but first of all, it's so disgraceful and disrespectful.
	You have to think, eventually, some of the black talent, because there's huge amounts of black talent out there, they're going to sit around and say, you know, no, this is really worse than what you were doing before.
	So that's one thing that might happen.
	The other thing is, you know, The Daily Wire, where I am, we're starting to make movies.
	Other people are going to start to make movies.
	Once there's competition, once we find the distribution angles and how to get out to the people, Then Hollywood's going to have to basically pay heed.
	I mean, right now, as long as it's just them with no competition, they're never going to change anything.
	Why should they?
	But when it becomes a matter of other people making movies and other people going to see them, they're going to have to.
	Well, we're incredibly looking forward to it.
	Gina Carano says she's coming on the show.
	Terror on the Prairie is going to be released soon.
	I hear it's great.
	I haven't seen it yet.
	And Matt Walsh has got his documentary coming out.
	And I was going to say, I mean, it's a documentary, but the fact that our movie that we produced, 2000 Mules, is the most downloaded documentary of a decade, more than a million downloads in six days, 100,000 DVDs mailed out.
	We have a platform, we have saleofnow.com, so you have to have But you have to have the distribution.
	But the way you know that that's working is the New York Times attacked it today.
	They attacked... Oh, they did?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, we'll talk about that.
	They would ignore him if they could.
	Right, we'll talk about that.
	It's Andrew Klavan.
	You've got to listen to his podcast.
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	I try to catch every single one.
	He doesn't do enough of them.
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	Back with the Galactic Master in a Moment.
	I'm not sure, actually. actually.
	It's soon.
	Tomorrow is Walsh's thing, which I haven't seen yet, but I just got the code.
	What's that about?
	Transgender?
	Yeah, it's about what is a woman.
	He just literally goes around everywhere, including to a tribe in Africa.
	I don't know.
	I'm a judge.
	I have no idea.
	I don't know.
	I'm a judge.
	I have no idea.
	I'm not a biologist.
	That's right.
	I'm not a biologist.
	How's everything?
	Really good.
	Really good.
	Yeah, super good.
	I'm writing scripts now.
	We got this TV show funded.
	Oh, you did?
	I knew it was coming.
	It's nuts.
	And a guy wrote a check.
	So we booked the studio.
	I'm writing the scripts.
	I've got to go home tonight and write a script.
	Katie's going to be producing.
	She'll be running it logistically.
	Have you got a distribution?
	No, that's the deal.
	We're going to make it and say here's a product and then we'll go to whoever it is, Newsmax or History Channel or whatever and say you don't have to pay for it but do you want it?
	It's going to cost you X. It's a great idea.
	It's only in the current climate where it wouldn't go anywhere.
	Yeah, and the fact that Salem crushed it with Dinesh is just... If you've got your own platform... You know, the thing that helped Dinesh more than anything was the attacks on him, because he was so shabby.
	I said on my show, I asked Dinesh to come on, because I'm not convinced, as you know, but I'm watching this thing and I thought, you know, if the AP hadn't put out this dishonest fact check on him, I'd be tearing the strip down.
	Well, when the AP and everybody else says, well, everybody takes photographs of themselves.
	In rubber gloves.
	But they don't take photographs of the bin without themselves in 3AM.
	Stripping off the rubber gloves.
	Do you want a liner then or no?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	I can't actually play a liner.
	Doesn't matter, then just the music.
	Just the music.
	Yes, tracking shot.
	Thanks.
	Probably the most famous whistled soundtrack in history.
	You know what it is, especially if you're into westerns.
	Happy birthday again to Clint Eastwood, 92 years old today.
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	We're back with Andrew Klavan.
	He's the author of a superlative autobiography, The Great Good Thing, about his conversion to Christianity.
	His latest book is Truth and Beauty.
	And I'm going to ask for permission right now how the lives and works of England's greatest poets point the way to a deeper understanding of the words of Jesus.
	There is a passage that I want to record with my voice and put it on Twitter and Truth and everywhere else.
	It's one paragraph long.
	Your summary.
	I don't know how the hell you did it.
	You summarized, you know, 300 pages of Hamlet in one paragraph.
	That's a four-hour play, I know.
	I'd never seen anything like it.
	Yeah, it was tough.
	It was actually a tough job.
	But it's so succinct.
	And it's the most profound play.
	And it's the most important play ever written.
	Okay, you guys, you've got to read it.
	Let's talk about that for a moment.
	Is this the Great Commission truly in our cultural fight?
	We've got to win politics.
	We've got to bring America back to the excellence that is celebrated in movies like Top Gun Maverick.
	But really, everything we fight, the political correctness, the transgenderism, the wokeness, is an antithesis of what your book is about.
	That's right.
	It's a denial of objective truth, and it's also a denial that beauty is connected inextricably to truth, correct?
	Yep, absolutely.
	And it's actually wicked, you know, these critical theories that they talk about.
	They basically are based on the idea that truth is just a construct of power.
	So if there's something you believe is true, it's only because... Foucault.
	Because somebody oppressed you.
	It's all Foucault.
	Somebody once said he did sweet Foucault for, you know, human life.
	But I have a joke that's funnier than the original British, but still.
	You know, that's a wicked thing to say, because even the meaning of language, according to Foucault and the rest of these critical theorists, is a construct of power.
	So you and I can't even speak to each other unless one of us seizes the power.
	So this idea of, like, a woman has no definition, is not really about transgender people.
	It's really about seizing the power over the meaning of language.
	If two people can't speak together, if we can't argue rational principles, if we can't argue about the truth, then there's nothing left but power.
	So, what they're essentially saying is we're going to make everything equal by us having all the power.
	And that's what it all really comes down to.
	And it's really quite a wicked philosophy.
	The idea that we can't discuss truth and start to see by sweet reason and through beauty that this is something we're getting closer.
	That's a really evil construct.
	It reminds me so much of a passage from the original classified long telegram by Kennan.
	When Kennan is in Moscow and suddenly Uncle Joe is behaving badly, right?
	He's shutting down Berlin, there's a blockade, wants all of Germany.
	And it's actually the Treasury Department writes to the Moscow mission and says, what's going on in the Kremlin?
	We don't understand.
	Why is our former ally behaving like this?
	So Kenan sits down, writes this 14-page classified telegram that becomes the sources of Soviet conduct, and the opening paragraphs are so red on what you just said.
	In the specific context of the USSR, he said, truth in the Soviet Union is that which serves the purposes of the party.
	That's 1984.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And that truth can change from one day to the next, depending upon what the utility of that construct is to those in power.
	And that is why this whole idea of words of violence, words of violence.
	And so therefore I can censor you because you've committed an act of violence against me.
	That right there is such a perversion of what words actually are and what violence is.
	And the reason this transgender thing is, you know, I have no hostility against somebody who feels trapped in the wrong body.
	I imagine that's a very painful experience.
	But the reason that this is so important is because they can tell you that the very basic thing Fact of human nature doesn't exist because they say it doesn't exist.
	Then they've taken over reality itself.
	And not only that, when they compel speech.
	I mean, this is why Jordan Peterson's famous.
	People forget.
	He videoed his lectures for 20 years.
	He wasn't famous.
	But suddenly the Canadian government says, you will call your student by their preferred pronoun.
	He says, no, I'll do it out of respect for them if they ask me, but the government cannot force me.
	That's why he becomes an international phenomenon.
	And this idea that every time you disagree, you become some new form of hate.
	The newest one is Christofascist.
	Which I kind of like.
	I'm kind of going for the Christofascist.
	What kind of uniforms do they have?
	Exactly.
	If it's really nice, if the epaulets are good, I'm going for the Christofascist.
	Is that the new one?
	Christofascist.
	That's the new one.
	Now everybody's a Christofascist.
	Okay, all right.
	Guys, you've got to listen to this guy, his YouTube channel, Andrew Clavin, the monologues.
	I just like a guy who can't keep a straight face during his own monologues, who laughs incessantly through the things that he wrote himself.
	Also, the books, many, many books, including great detective novels, Werewolf Cop, right?
	Yeah, Werewolf Cop, great book.
	It's a classic.
	Terrible title.
	It's right up there with Moliere, your werewolf cop.
	And then, of course, Truth and Beauty is the latest and the great good thing.
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	What else do you want me to mention?
	What is it, Edgar Award?
	What else should I mention?
	Oh, I don't know.
	The truth, you know, sell that truth and beauty.
	Truth and beauty?
	Yeah.
	You know that made the USA Today list, did I tell you that?
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	It's like insane.
	How many books about the Romantic poets make it?
	I just listened to your interview on that theological podcast.
	There's like two guys who are talking about all of the stories about Coleridge.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	How was it?
	Good.
	It's fun.
	I mean, they're a little, you know, podcasts about theology are always a little whatever, but they were intelligible.
	It's really interesting.
	The people who... I mean, what shocked me about the book was the emotional reaction.
	People really are responding to it emotionally.
	Especially the last part.
	But the people who hate Christianity are saying it's hard to understand.
	And I'm going, like, it can't be that hard to understand because people... It's not hard to understand.
	That's the power of your writing.
	It's just interesting that that's their complaint.
	Their complaint is not, like, I hate Jesus.
	I don't want to listen to this.
	Although one guy said that to me.
	to me.
	He just said, like, I'm not listening to this.
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	And really, USA Today, Drew?
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	You better not put that on the cover.
	When I wrote it, I didn't think I'd sell it.
	When they published it, they told me, don't get your hopes up.
	So let me ask you about hope then.
	Does that mean, does Top Gun Maverick, does Netflix saying to its vocalist to shut up or leave, and does your book about Jesus and the romantics Being a bestseller, does that mean something's happening?
	Oh, there's no question that something's happening.
	The question is whether we're smart enough to actually sell the things that people want to see.
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	It's always been up to us.
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	No one in Hollywood is going to say, oh, you know, I heard Sebastian Gorka and I've changed my entire political outlook.
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	It's people who are prepared to not buy another full-page ad in the Washington Times, but actually say, okay, go off and make 10 movies.
	That's right.
	People are willing to go into the business.
	It's a risky business, you know, and it's not the easiest thing to do.
	But we're so busy, you know, fracking and doing all these important things that conservatives do.
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	We'll be back with none other than Lord Conrad Black here on America First.
	Lord Conrad Black.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Conrad?
	Yes.
	Greetings.
	I'm mourning over this decision.
	Well, Durham.
	It shows how rotten that system is.
	That's what we're going to open with.
	Standby.
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	With more journalism in his little finger than CNN has on its entire network, Sebastian Gorka.
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	The news broke as we were preparing for the show today after a very short trial.
	Michael Sussman, former DOJ lawyer working for the Clinton campaign, was found not guilty by the jury in Washington, D.C., of having lied to the FBI.
	Not difficult to predict, given that 93% of the city voted for Hillary and 94% for Joe Biden just last week.
	Jonathan Turley, the left-wing lawyer, had this to say about the jury on Fox News.
	The problem for Durham is the jury and the judge.
	I mean, he is facing a jury that has three Clinton donors, an AOC donor, and a woman whose daughter is on the same sports team with Sussman's daughter.
	I mean, with the exception of randomly selecting people out of the DNC headquarters, you could not come up with a worse jury.
	Welcome to Washington, D.C.
	Welcome to Washington, D.C.
	indeed.
	To discuss this and so much more, our regular guest, he is the author most recently of Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other, but is also a justice reform advocate, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	A sad, sad day for American justice?
	I am afraid so, but perhaps there is a silver lining, and that would be It reveals just how rotten and corrupt the system is.
	I mean, this is what Mr. Nixon was dealing with, with the Watergate nonsense, which he didn't know anything about in advance.
	And there is yet, as you know, to be any probative evidence that he himself committed any crime, so some of the people who worked for him did.
	But it's impossible for Republicans, or any opponent of the democratic establishment, To get any sort of fair hearing in a court in the District of Columbia, and that is a real problem.
	I don't want to sound vindictive about somebody who's now dead, but it's a little like the farce in Chappaquiddick after the girl drowned or suffocated in Senator Teddy Kennedy's car.
	The authorities, such as they were in that rusticated area, basically Pretended it was like a parking offense or something.
	And look, I was never on the warpath to take Senator Kennedy's scalp or anything, but a serious problem like that, where somebody dies unnecessarily, requires a proper judicial treatment.
	And it didn't receive it.
	Well, in Washington, Republicans never receive it.
	The fact is, if you're a Republican, you're obviously guilty of something.
	So, for those who aren't familiar, beyond your presidential works on Nixon, on FDR, on President Trump, you have multi-volume memoirs and you've spoken about what happened to you, your persecution in the U.S.
	judicial system.
	Given what you've been through, Lord Black, and having followed the last five years of the Russia hoax, the smear campaign that was financed by the Hillary headquarters, Is there any remedy, or are we just forever condemned as conservatives to never be able to get justice in a city that is full of government bureaucrats and votes 95% for the Democrat?
	I think it'll be hard to move Washington very much, but what I think will happen is, while Washington is full of Democrats, they are not, most of them, completely unreasonable people.
	And I am old enough to remember when it was impossible in the southern states to convict anybody for any wrong committed against an African-American.
	It was terribly difficult to get a conviction on the absolutely obvious assassin of Martin Luther King.
	I mean, it happened eventually, but after a while, a part of America, any section of America, It is wearied by the continuous publicity given to what is manifestly an unfair one-sided system.
	And people's minds change a bit, and in this case they would gravitate to judging these things a little more fairly.
	Obviously the prosecution did their best to weed out partisans, identifiable partisans, but even at that they got four or five Clearly rabid Democrats, predestined robotically to vote for acquittal.
	Now, what I don't understand is why it wasn't a hung jury.
	There must have been some votes to convict, but anyway, they prevailed.
	On this particular case, I will say this.
	I think so much was shaken loose in sworn testimony that hasn't been contradicted, that Durham has a good grounds for proceeding with further prosecutions.
	And I don't think they all have to be in Washington, but even if they do, the public experience of the kind that I mentioned with black-white issues in the South is any guide.
	Eventually, the public gets tired of being evidently recognized throughout the country.
	As not producing just verdicts, and they've become a little less one-sided in the way they approach these things.
	Well, the next phase is the Danchenko trial, the source for the smear documentation, and that will actually be occurring in the Commonwealth of Virginia, which, whilst not as Saddam-alike in the proportion of votes that the Democrats receive, is is less less Democrat than is Washington itself.
	But let's talk about the evidence that was released or unveiled in this trial.
	The fact is that there is no way that this person should have walked free from the courtroom.
	Of course not.
	There's no question that he lied.
	I mean, it is a factual error to produce an acquittal.
	I mean, I have nothing against Sussman.
	I don't know him.
	I don't know anything about him other than what's come to light here.
	But in this case, he obviously lied to the FBI.
	And effectively, Baker said that.
	I mean, he didn't quite say it, but he practically said it.
	Well, and we have the text.
	We have the text that he sent to the Chief Counsel of the FBI, where he said, using, you know, the exact terminology that would have gotten him a conviction, all other things being equal, that he said, I'm not representing a client, I'm not doing this except because I'm a concerned citizen bringing this information to you, which is, you know, in a text, which is in writing, and that is the lie that he should have been convicted on.
	Yeah, and it came into evidence that he billed the Clinton campaign for it.
	Yes, exactly.
	So what does that mean?
	If that can occur and he's found not guilty, what does that do to the sense of lady justice being blindfolded?
	Well, I'm afraid from my own experience it was not a concept that survived my My experience with that system, it isn't blindfolded.
	It's a terrible system.
	Now, usually, it is a slam dunk for the prosecutors, because they can extort any evidence they want from whomever they want by threatening to indict them, and they grant them immunity to a charge of perjury, so they have a blank check to, you know, to invent any evidence they want if it's useful to the prosecution.
	And a lot of people will do that to avoid being spuriously charged themselves.
	I mean, even if you're acquitted, a criminal trial is no day at the beach, believe me.
	But in this case, of course, it was the opposite.
	The prosecution had the evidence, but it was not an impartial jury, and that's what the Constitution guarantees, an impartial jury.
	There are lots of reforms that could be instituted.
	But there's got to be the will to do it.
	And it's been my privilege to know a couple of former chief justices now dead, Warren Berger and William Brincliffe.
	And they both told me that they ex officio, the chief justice of the United States, addresses the annual meetings of the American Bar Association every year.
	And that they had repeatedly proposed reforms to this system.
	And even though the great office they held, the chief justice of the United States, they didn't get anywhere.
	The trial lawyers have immense political influence.
	And they certainly control their own profession.
	Yeah.
	He is the co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
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	Yes, yes, please.
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	Great.
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	I have to ask, Lord Blau, the line is so much better.
	Thank you for joining us on your landline.
	That's superb.
	The reaction in Canada to Trudeau's announcement about the handgun freeze?
	Well, it's a little early to gauge it, but as far as I can see, people don't... This isn't a gun culture like the U.S.
	is, and people don't Take it as seriously as I would there.
	I mean, I think it's thought to be kind of posturing and piggybacking on terrible events in the United States, but I don't see any great wave of revulsion or anger about it because most Canadians don't have guns anyway.
	But was there an incident with handguns that made him do this?
	No, nothing at all.
	It was a straight copycat operation.
	This horrible, frightful incident.
	In Texas, so this is a good time to get on the bandwagon.
	The government, this government has been continuously cracking down on guns for years, but they're kind of pushing on an open door because most people don't care and they do grant an exemption for Legitimate hunters and people who need guns and legitimate collectors and people who need guns to, you know, to protect farm animals, you know, people, flocks of sheep and that kind of thing.
	And so, I mean, personally, I think it's a mistake.
	I think every demonstrably law-abiding sane citizen should have a right to a gun if he wants one, but that isn't a big issue in this country.
	Right, right.
	We actually have, I must say, even in... I mean, here, Toronto's the biggest city.
	The greater Toronto area is 9 million people, but we don't have enough crimes involving guns where you really feel you need one in your home to protect yourself.
	And that is not the case in many parts of urban America.
	Right, but that's also the point.
	What difference does he think he's going to be making if you don't have rampant gun crime like you do in Chicago?
	What effect is he going to have by freezing the handgun sales?
	It's strictly political.
	It's just posturing.
	He might as well have put on a one-act play or something.
	And there's absolutely no basis in the reality as is experienced by 95% of the public.
	It's just Justin off doing a pirouette of his own.
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	We are back with Lord Conrad Black, who has not just written seminal histories on American presidents, but also a book on the rise of America as a superpower, which is hard to compare with recent news, even from the mainstream legacy which is hard to compare with recent news, even from the This is ABC Cut Eight.
	With store shelves still barren across the country, tonight communities organizing giveaways to help desperate families in need of baby formula.
	I have no baby formula for my baby for the last two weeks.
	An estimated 70% of the nation's baby formula supplies now out of stock.
	In Dearborn, Michigan on Friday, cars lined up for nearly a mile waiting for formula.
	Volunteers struggling to meet the demand as some in line were turned away empty-handed.
	Lord Black, we've both lived through the Cold War.
	My parents told me about hiding in the basement during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	But the idea that America would have a 70% shortage of formula and mile-long queues, we didn't even expect that during the bipolarity of the last conflict.
	We didn't even have that during World War II.
	Various things ceased production, like automobiles, for example.
	They didn't bring out new models of cars because they were all building tanks and trucks and things.
	But you didn't have anything like this.
	I may be mistaken, but to the best of my knowledge, there have not been shortages like that.
	There have been some shortages of gasoline, for example, at times in Mr. Nixon's time when there was the embargo from the OPEC countries and so on.
	But a household product like that, baby food, there hasn't been a shortage of anything resembling that since the War of 1812, I believe.
	What can we put it down to?
	Is it merely the fact that unlike the last administration we seem to have Just scads of individuals who've never actually run anything in the real world.
	Because we now know the backstory, Lord Black, that the government, based upon a certain inspection, shut down the plant, the one plant that made 40% of the formula back in the spring for this nation.
	And the idea that a neophyte to politics or business wouldn't think there would be Grander ramifications of shutting down almost half of the production for America.
	It's hard to credit.
	Yeah, I think that's what it is.
	I mean, somebody was just let loose and didn't know what he was doing.
	And then nobody had the intelligence to realize that since you weren't in a state of massive overproduction, if you stopped 40% of the supply properly, you were going to run out of it.
	I mean, nobody... I mean, it's astounding to me that Anyone above the age of five wouldn't have figured that out, but apparently that's what happened.
	Now, as the head of the Hollinger Group, you made deals across the globe.
	How do other governments, how do other nations look at America now when they hear of infants being admitted to ICUs because their mother couldn't feed them in the United States?
	I think they see it as an aberration.
	I think we're talking now, especially, say, European countries, where they're ancient countries with a long history in every case, including aspects of their history that are regrettable.
	Even Britain, for example, had some passage history that it's not proud of.
	And I think they just feel, you know, every country, no matter how great it is and no matter how well-intentioned it is, does have people in positions of greater authority than they know how to exercise, who make terrible mistakes at times.
	And this happens, and the U.S.
	is just going through a difficult patch.
	I don't think it permanently alters their view of the United States.
	I think what is more damaging is in security areas of direct interest to countries that are hostile to the U.S.
	rivals to it, China, Russia, and the governments are, I don't suppose the populations are particularly, but China, Russia, Iran, perhaps North Korea, when they see a horrible fiasco like Afghanistan, and they see this impasse in Washington, and they see the president not and they see this impasse in Washington, and they see the president not highly respected by the country, and They think it creates an opportunity for them.
	And I think since people believe, tend to believe what they want to believe, I don't doubt that the leaders in China particularly think the U.S.
	is in decline, China is rising.
	Uh, and so forth, but, but you know, the Japanese thought that economically about 30 years ago and they, you know, they, they, Khrushchev said we'll bury him.
	He thought that.
	Hitler thought that.
	Uh, the fact that they think it, it doesn't mean much.
	We just have to disabuse them of it.
	But, um, so I, I, I think, um, countries friendly, or at least not hostile to the U.S.
	see it as, I'm not one of a number of indications that the country is having its problems right now, but all countries do, and it doesn't mean that it's heading over the cliff or anything.
	And I think those countries that don't wish America well hopefully believe that America's in decline, and all you have to do is show them that's not the case.
	And I don't doubt that the U.S.
	will recover from this, but right now it's a very awkward time.
	It has been a very difficult 16 months and it seems to be getting worse by the day.
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	Did you have a chance to watch the movie yet?
	I thought it was very good.
	Oh good, then we should discuss it next time.
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	Titles for Klavan and that.
	Of course, Sassman would be found not guilty.
	Uh-huh.
	And then Klavan.
	From Dirty Harry to Top Gun Maverick.
	Uh-huh.
	All right.
	Alright.
	Where did you find the Dirty Harry?
	Was that YouTube?
	Yeah.
	That was great.
	That was great quality.
	Pretty good.
	Again, I think hot take.
	I like the second Dirty Harry better than the rest of them.
	Magnum Force.
	The Magnum Force is good.
	Especially seeing Starsky playing a bad guy.
	Yeah.
	And also, one of the bad guys is the voice actor who played Johnny Quest.
	Really?
	The original Johnny Quest.
	I forget his name.
	I'm trying to remember his full name.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I never noticed that.
	It was made before you were born, Geoff, so it doesn't count.
	Don't tell me, Geoff, that you have not seen Dirty Harry.
	Have you not seen the movie?
	Because it's iconic!
	Do you not watch anything on Netflix that's made before you were born?
	Quality's too bad.
	Slow.
	You're only earlier than the 70s.
	That's when they talk different and everything.
	It's still not.
	You must have really enjoyed Shakespeare in school.
	I got into a huge fight with my teacher.
	I'm like, I don't even understand what half these words are.
	Oh my gosh.
	What have we not played?
	We haven't played Walsh, Kinzinger.
	Oh, you got my tweet, right?
	Yeah, just the picture of you, yeah.
	All right.
	I have a picture of this guy as well.
	All right, I'll do 2,000 mules.
	Yep.
	And then I'll do Walsh.
	Oh, actually, no, come in with Trudeau.
	Come in with Trudeau.
	Nine.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then we'll go to calls.
	What time is it?
	Oh, we've got Rizzo, right?
	What time is it?
	Oh, we've got Rizzo, right?
	No, just Ray and Stan.
	He's good.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	We're introducing legislation to implement a national freeze on handgun ownership.
	Thank you.
	What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns anywhere in Canada.
	In other words, we're capping the market for handguns.
	Really appalling.
	Truly fascistic.
	I don't know if he's Castro's illegitimate son, but he is a dictator by nature.
	That is Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister of Canada, who, despite not having any serious gun crime, has now made it illegal for anyone to buy, to transfer, or import another handgun to Canada.
	I bet that'll stop the criminals.
	I bet that will have an effect on the psychos in Canada who wish to do ill to their fellow men.
	I posted something at the weekend that really got the goat up of the left, and they started sending me all kinds... It wasn't just trash tweets, it was DMs.
	They're so perverted.
	They're so sexually perverted.
	Let's put up the thing that drove them so crazy.
	I was shooting at the weekend.
	Took out my favorite new AR.
	It's a Daniel Defense Mark 18 with a suppressor with a DR Spectre 4x Scope, a 60-round surefire mag, and I wore a gift from one of our guests, Marsh Toray of Black Guns Matter, and it's one of the long-sleeved tees that says, Black Guns Matter, and it drove the left Insane!
	People like Joe Walsh, former colleague of mine, who, well, he's a racist, he talked about Obama being a Muslim who wasn't born here, but now he's playing the, what is it, the sensitive gun owner?
	Cut seven.
	John, I don't think anything's going to get done at all until responsible gun owners like me, passionate Second Amendment people like me, get off of our ass and pressure these Senate Republicans to do something.
	It's got to come from responsible gun owners like me.
	So if you're passionate about the Second Amendment, you've got to undermine the Second Amendment.
	Is that it, Joe Walsh?
	You're a pathetic excuse for a man.
	Let's talk to a real man.
	Ray from Livermore, waiting patiently on line one.
	What happened to Joe Walsh?
	He used to really be a good guy.
	He went the way of the morning Joe.
	He just sold out.
	He did.
	He just got TDS.
	I think he's patient zero of Trump derangement syndrome, Ray.
	Yeah, and Trudeau.
	He's kind of like the Beto O'Rourke of the North, you know?
	In fact, we have to give Beto a new name now since there's two of them.
	We'll call him Master Beto.
	And so we'll have Beto of the North and Master Beto.
	I don't know what that means.
	No, I'm sure they'll understand.
	What did you want to share with us today, Ray?
	You were playing some clips of Brandon when we started the show.
	And, you know, there's an old saying that says it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
	Correct.
	And this happens every time this man speaks.
	Let's just remind, let's just remind, it's just 18 seconds long.
	Let's play it again.
	This is Joe Biden getting on or off Marine One, demonstrating his expertise for all things firearms related.
	This is Cut4.
	A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.
	So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is that there is simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection, hunting.
	For those who couldn't hear it over the rotors, Ray, he said the 9mm, it's high-powered, you don't need it for, you know, it's wrong for hunting because it blows your lungs out of your body.
	Well, I think he said high caliber, which I don't think is a designation, but blow the lungs out of your body.
	I think what he may be referring to, I don't know, is a sucking chest wound, and he should know something.
	As a president who completely sucks, he should know something.
	And who didn't serve in Vietnam where, you know, sucking chest wounds were a problem.
	Yeah, and 9mm is basically a glorified .38.
	It really isn't a high caliber round.
	I want to remind the listeners, too, that when this country was birthed, the muzzle-loaded musket was the assault weapon of the day.
	I don't even prefer that term, but let's use their terms.
	And men did own cannons.
	In fact, many of them lent their cannons to their country in order to fight with the crown.
	And when we went to war with England, our own parent, our own government, it wasn't about the Staten Pact, and it was, but it wasn't about the Tea Party, although it was.
	It was about the gathering of the ball and powder at Concord.
	That was like, that was it.
	They wanted to round up all the ammo and that was a sort of arms control of the day and that was it.
	We're done.
	We have to do this thing now.
	I'm so glad you mentioned that, Ray.
	It's far more than, you know, the TX size.
	It was much more to do with the The quartering of troops and also the attempt to disarm the American colonies.
	God bless you, Ray.
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	Alright.
	The End He was, yeah, he was in the primary.
	Oh, speaking of which, you know someone else who is going to run for governor of New Jersey next time around?
	Who?
	Steve Sweeney, the guy that Ed Durr beat.
	Oh, how funny!
	The former senate president.
	Yeah, he was Murphy's term limited in 2025.
	Want the mics on or off?
	Off.
	Okay, give us a moment then to turn them off.
	Jeff's got to do that again.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'm going to do 2,000 mules here first.
	2,000 mules first.
	One minute.
	So you're going to come in on tracking shot as always.
	46.
	40 seconds.
	Come in with... Oh, actually...
	Any quips?
	I gotta play Mo Brooks at some point.
	Wanna tee that up?
	No, I'll do it after his.
	Okay, so just coming out tracking shots.
	Yeah.
	All right, take that.
	All right.
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	Somebody who I've been told I've got to have on this show.
	is an individual who was on, I don't know, a year ago, two years ago.
	He is continuing to fight the swamp in New Jersey.
	He's Phil Rizzo.
	Phil, welcome back to America First.
	How are you, Sebastian?
	Good to talk with you again.
	Good, good.
	We're good.
	You ran for governor.
	Now you're rounding for the 7th Congressional District.
	I've been told you are fighting swamp creatures.
	There must be quite a few of them in New Jersey.
	There are, and we're certainly dealing with the kingpin here.
	We're dealing with the prince of the party, Tom Kane Jr., son of former governor Tom Kane Sr.
	and GOP darling here in New Jersey.
	All right, so tell us why you think you can win and what your message is as to why you're the better candidate.
	Well, Tom Kane's been in office for over 20 years, but he's never won a position.
	He was simply selected to the New Jersey Assembly in 2001.
	He was then selected to the New Jersey Senate in 2003.
	He never won either of those positions.
	He was appointed to vacancies.
	He's then run for federal office three times, and he's 0 for 3.
	With all of that failure, he's never had a primary.
	So we're giving him his first real primary in 21 years of political service, and we are exposing his voting record as, as you call it, a swamp creature.
	This is the first time he's being held accountable by a Republican, and no Democrat would ever call him out because they have the exact same voting records from CRT and transgender push to putting men into bathrooms, locker rooms, and and no Democrat would ever call him out because they have the exact same So why is the GOP so behind somebody who's never run for office but always been appointed and selected?
	What's the deal there, Phil?
	Well, in New Jersey, it's all about contracts.
	It's all about everybody shaking hands.
	It's about backroom deals.
	You know, the Republican Party gets a bad name for, you know, a bunch of rich white guys smoking cigars in the back room.
	I think the Republican tent has gotten much bigger than that.
	But not in the New Jersey elites, it hasn't.
	It's still the same old guys making decisions, saying who's up next.
	And then they go all in.
	But the people of New Jersey have had enough of that, and it's time to go with the people's candidate, not just the party candidate.
	Well, I was very impressed with the event.
	The Natives held the seat at the table.
	Your website is jerseyrizzo.com.
	That's R-I-Z-Z-O, jerseyrizzo.com.
	One last question.
	What is your message to all those listening in New Jersey?
	Why should they vote for you, Phil?
	Well, I'm representing the people.
	Like I said, I'm the people's candidate.
	And I'm not just representing the party, even though as a former pastor, I check every conservative box.
	I am representing all people because the government has really taken over our lives.
	And when you look at Tom Kane's voting record, RealTomKane.com, you'll see that he has been out for himself for 21 years and he has forgotten about all the little people.
	The moms, the dads, the teachers, the bus drivers, the plumbers, everybody.
	He's forgot about the people and he's only about the party.
	Well, we have to get rid of the swamp creatures.
	I've just retweeted a tweet from you about who the real Tom Keen is.
	You can follow this man at JerseyRizzo.
	That's JerseyRizzo and JerseyRizzo.com.
	Thank you, Phil.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	Let's talk about another aspect of the swamp.
	It's the fake conservatives in the mainstream media.
	There's one of them out there who is called Sandra Smith, and she's on Fox.
	And she tried to lie live on air about the last election but Congressman Mo Brooks wasn't having any of it and I'm gonna play the whole exchange because it tells you who she is and who Mo Brooks is.
	Cut 10.
	Just to go on the record, there has been still no evidence or proof provided that there was any sort of fraud in that election.
	Well, no, that's wrong.
	I don't know why you people in the media keep saying that, but that is absolutely false.
	That is absolutely false.
	You keep saying it every time, but that's absolutely false.
	You had 150 congressmen and senators who absolutely disagreed with you on what you just said.
	So what are you calling them?
	What are you calling them when you say 150 Republican senators and congressmen looked at the voter fraud issue and said there was a major problem?
	What are you calling the Commission on Federal Election Reform, a bipartisan committee, With Jimmy Carter on the one hand, and James Baker, Ronald Reagan, White House Chief of Staff on the other, back in 2005, who analyzed the systemic weaknesses, the systemic flaws in our election system, and warned us that elections are going to be stolen if we don't fix these problems, and those problems were not fixed.
	So I don't know who's telling you there's no evidence, but that tells me you haven't done your homework.
	I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.
	The courts and the judges that have -- No, no, the courts -- wait, time out.
	Don't go into that.
	Don't go into that.
	All right.
	I want to finish up, though, because I'm not -- The courts do not have the -- wait a minute.
	No, no.
	I'm getting in the last word on this one, because you just made a false statement, okay?
	The courts are not the final arbiter of who wins federal election contests.
	Congress is.
	That is required by the United States Constitution.
	That is required by the United States Code for Congressmen and Senators and the President.
	So don't be surprised that courts don't usurp the power that is authorized by the United States Congress.
	Let me just quote the GOP Commissioner in Wisconsin in the Wall Street Journal today.
	Printed, and I will read it verbatim.
	He said there is no evidence that election fraud is the reason Trump lost in Wisconsin, and that is not for lack of looking.
	His advice to your party is to pivot away from these conspiracy theories focused on the issue that affects Wisconsin families and their pocketbooks.
	Sir, I want to move on to January 6th and ask you about the committee.
	Look at the judge's opinion.
	Look at the judge's opinion in Pennsylvania that talked about over 2 million illegal ballots cast.
	That was their court order.
	Sir, have you been subpoenaed yet by the January 6th committee?
	Look at the special investigation of a former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice who found significant voter fraud at nursing homes in the state of Wisconsin.
	Look at the 2,000 mules documentary that has come out.
	Look at how many mass mail-out-of-ballots there were across the United States for which we have no security.
	Okay, and that has been looked at and fact-checked by multiple outlets, including Reuters, who have debunked that as any sort of proof that there was widespread voter fraud.
	I'm sorry, but other people have fact-checked it and find you absolutely wrong, Sandra.
	She's lying there on live radio, and what does she do?
	She says, instead of answering the questions, she says, Oh, have you been subpoenaed by Nancy Starr Chamber?
	What a slimeball.
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	A minute and 40 seconds.
	Title for Rizzo.
	Um...
	The truth about New Jersey politics.
	All right.
	Take that back, thank you.
	Alright.
	Go E.
	Did you see what Kamala tweeted at the weekend?
	Yeah.
	She tweeted, enjoy the long weekend.
	I don't know.
	Enjoy the long weekend.
	So I guess it's not about people dying for you to be free.
	That's incredible.
	Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
	No, no, it's 2001.
	Oh, you're right.
	You're right.
	She did it again.
	No, no.
	It's 2001.
	Oh, okay.
	But she didn't even delete it.
	Oh, of course not.
	Oh, okay. okay.
	Thank you.
	This is America First Caller Clinic number 47.
	We recommend you don't do this.
	2020 is the year of the Groyper.
	All neocons and boomers will bow to the Groyper.
	The Groyper army is coming in 2020.
	Did you think that up by yourself or did somebody write that for you?
	Did your mommy write that for you?
	My mom did write that for me, actually.
	Yeah, I'm not surprised.
	Get back to your basement and under her skirt.
	Thank you.
	You probably shouldn't admit that your mother wrote that for you.
	Where is the Groyper army?
	Pathetic.
	Truly, truly pathetic.
	Let's go to your call.
	Stanley, Los Angeles, line three.
	Hi there, Dr. Hooker.
	I call you about the Sussman trial.
	Yeah.
	I think just like what happened with OJ Simpson, jury nullification.
	But the question I have is how come Durham didn't ask for a change of venue?
	Yeah, there are limits on why you can change a venue.
	So it's not you can't just do it willy nilly.
	So I don't know.
	But I was looking up the code that I thought only the defense could ask for a change of venue, but the prosecution can ask for a change of venue.
	So even if it would have been difficult, I don't know why he didn't try.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	But it looked like a losing proposition.
	You know, all the evidence is there, just like in the OJ trial, but the jury voted the other way.
	So they just voted their heart.
	No, no, the issue is a very simple one.
	I mean, can somebody who's a conservative, a known Republican, Get a fair trial, especially on something that has political, you know, aspects to it in Washington D.C.
	that gets the kind of voting proportions that Saddam Hussein got in Iraq.
	Ninety-three, ninety-four percent for Hillary, for Biden, for Obama.
	I mean, look at what happened to Paul Manafort.
	Look at Roger Stone.
	Look at Steve Bannon.
	If you have an R behind your name, if you're part of a Republican administration, And you get embroiled in some kind of even tendentially politically motivated prosecution, then you probably will be found guilty.
	And this person who slammed Dunk was guilty.
	We have the text that he wrote to the FBI.
	That individual walks free after a few days.
	It's just an utter outrage.
	As outrageous ...is what they are doing to Mike Lindell.
	They're trying to destroy that man, the inventor of MyPillow, a friend of the President's, a truth teller.
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	The End
	.
	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	A person picking up ballots and running them to the drop boxes.
	This is not grandma out walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	And in no shape, in no way, in no time is that legal.
	This is organized crime.
	Do you have video evidence?
	Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
	What you're about to see is disturbing.
	So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
	It's just sickening to me.
	Now we come to the most important question of all.
	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
	It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
	They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
	That's provable.
	And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
	Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
	We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
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	He was on for a whole half an hour.
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	I hope you had a blessed Memorial Day weekend.
	We salute our troops, our veterans here on America First, and we are delighted to have with us a perfect guest to discuss matters geopolitical, matters military.
	He is a regular guest with us here on America First, but now we have him one-on-one Thank you.
	Thank you for having me and thank you for mentioning Memorial Day.
	He'll explain how that happened.
	Rose to the heights of the Pentagon, responsible for readiness of all our military, and then to the cabinet level inside the Trump administration.
	He's former Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Wilkie, now Newsmax senior national security correspondent.
	Welcome in studio for one-on-one, Secretary. - Thank you.
	Thank you for having me, and thank you for mentioning Memorial Day.
	We tend to get that confused with Veterans Day. - Yes.
	This day honors the 1 million Americans who have given their lives since the first shots were fired at Lexington in April of 1775.
	1775.
	That's one million out of the 41 million who have served since the Revolution.
	It is an incredibly important day.
	It was given to us by President Lincoln, and it is one that all Americans, a day that they should stop and pause and give thanks.
	I'd like to use this opportunity because usually we have to dive in We only have two segments with you.
	There's a war going on in Europe.
	We have to talk about what's happening everywhere else in the world.
	Now we have a little bit more luxury, a little bit of luxury of time.
	Would you share with us your fascinating backstory?
	How you ended up serving in two different arms of the armed services?
	Who your father was?
	And also, I think one of the connections between us, where you spent some of your formative years as a child.
	Well, I'm very proud to be the son of a very highly decorated combat soldier.
	My father was a senior officer in the 82nd Airborne Division.
	But prior to that, in my high school years, he was terribly wounded in the invasion of Cambodia.
	A huge man for his day, 6'2", 240.
	Today, that's not even a quarterback, but in 1970, that's a big man.
	He was shot to pieces in Cambodia.
	Spent a year in an army hospital, and when we saw him again, he weighed 125 pounds.
	Wow!
	The good graces of the great Creighton Abrams overruled the medical discharge board.
	Said, no, we're going to send this officer to England.
	They wanted to invalid him out?
	Right.
	Let him recover.
	Let him teach in England at the artillery school.
	Then after two years, we'll make him liaison to the 16th Para, which is now the Royal Parachute Regiment in Aldershot.
	And that's how I ended up in England as a child and at Salisbury Cathedral as a chorister.
	But in terms of service, serving in two branches is not unusual in the United States because we have elements in our armed forces that the rest of the world does not.
	We have a National Guard.
	We have a robust reserve component and people, particularly on the Army side, move back and forth between Army and Air Force.
	I moved from Navy to Air Force.
	I was ratcheting down my Naval service when I became Assistant Secretary under Donald Rumsfeld.
	I shouldn't have done it because it kept me grounded.
	And then I ended up in the Air Force.
	Very modest service compared to my ancestors.
	I'll give you an example of how it impacts me.
	I'm the first Wilkie male since the war with Mexico is not an artilleryman.
	Oh my gosh!
	But it gets worse.
	Were you the black sheep, Robert?
	That's right, but I have my hearing.
	My mother's grandfather, my great-grandfather, young lieutenant, 1st Battalion, 320th Field Artillery of the 82nd Infantry Division.
	During the Meuse-Argonne, 60 years later, my father commanded the 320th Field Artillery of the 82nd Airborne Division.
	But why is that important?
	I grew up watching men who had sacrificed enormously for their country and was surrounded, and also in Britain, surrounded by men who had served in World War II.
	In Britain, not only served in World War II, but had been with the Indian Army.
	And I heard those tales.
	I was privileged to meet some of the most accomplished soldiers of the 20th century in Britain.
	Sir Brian Horrocks, who led the Guards Armor, the 30 Corps, to the rescue of the 101st and 82nd Airborne during Market Garden.
	He didn't make it to the British 1st Airborne.
	A very dynamic soldier.
	I met Matthew Ridgeway and James Gavin, of course, Creighton Abrams, and listened to their stories.
	But one—let me talk about one event, and it was brought home to me when I watched Afghanistan collapse under this president.
	I saw accomplished soldiers at Fort Bragg with tears in their eyes watching the helicopters leave the embassy in Saigon.
	And I never thought we would see a day like that again.
	Of course, at that time we were out of Vietnam as a fighting force.
	But to watch Saigon on an exponential scale in Afghanistan.
	was a signal to the rest of the world that America is bereft of strength and leadership.
	And let's just compare those side by side for a moment, because those images are still so iconic today to have five, ten people trying to climb onto the skids of a Huey, not hundreds climbing onto a...
	to an actual transport plane flying thousands of feet into the air and then falling to their death.
	So there's a multiplicity of worstness, if you will.
	Right.
	And there's another connection.
	I was in Grand Rapids this weekend at the Gerald Ford Library.
	And President Ford, to his great credit, ordered the Air Force to launch, to halt the North Vietnamese invasion of the South.
	But because it was the Watergate era, he had to go through the Congress.
	There was one particular senator who objected, who stood in the way.
	He is now the president of the United States.
	And I saw many of those memories come back with Afghanistan as we slowly watch the map change at a time when the power of the United States Air Force would have decimated the Taliban and yet we had dithering from this White House just as we had a junior senator use the power that an individual senator has
	to try to disrupt the plans of the President of the United States to rescue our friends in South Vietnam.
	It is a lamentable story, and it is 40, now 50 years of failure.
	I have to ask you on the positive side, having served in the British Territorial Army, I have my red pocket, my unit insignia in it.
	The British military culture has an extra dimension to the American because of the history of the regiments.
	How did you find that?
	Because you hung around with these people in their regimental headquarters.
	I thought it was It certainly was eye-opening.
	And the continuation of a regiment's particular history.
	I'll give you an example.
	The parachute regiment in its last iteration before someone gets that red beret.
	They're in Wales, as you know.
	And the regimental commander goes down the ranks interviewing each one of these young men.
	And he asks them, what happened at Market Card?
	What happened in North Africa?
	And you see them going through the history of those regiments.
	I think we would be better served, and I've advocated this for a long time, if we allowed more of our soldiers, and the Army in particular, to homestead within a regiment, meaning spend more time at a Fort Bragg, attach yourself And build that up, which is essential to the sense of identity for the regiment, which helps in times of war as well.
	We're talking to Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie.
	He's now Senior National Security Contributor for Newsmax, a colleague of mine there.
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	I feel like I have to dive in.
	I want to interrupt you for a second because I left one story out from my childhood in England.
	Does it involve Doctor Who?
	No, but it involves Field Marshal Lord Monty.
	Oh my gosh, Monty!
	Okay, tell us the story.
	Monty, this is 1972.
	And he comes to Lark Hill, which is the school of artillery.
	And he lectures the cadre, and the commandant, a brigadier, gets to ask him a question.
	One question.
	Field Marshal, who were the three greatest generals in history?
	And without skipping a beat, Montgomery said the other two were Napoleon and Alexander.
	That's fabulous.
	That's fabulous.
	That's good.
	I want to jump into current geopolitical issues, but before we do that, because you have this unique position of all the people I know of our generation.
	I think we're of similar age.
	You have a unique perspective, not only because you've served in more than one arm of the United States Armed Forces, you've seen one of our closest allies, if not one of the closest allies from within inside their military culture, and also you've had civilian responsibility at the highest levels for readiness, which is really the measure of a capacity of a nation to go to war.
	And then you've helped our veterans and really rebuilt the administration in an atmosphere where we were told it would be impossible to reform, and you did it under the Trump administration.
	So tell us, give us the thumbnail sketch, what do they call it in D.C., see the elevator pitch for what has happened with readiness in our military and what needs to be done in the second Trump administration?
	What is happening is frightening.
	It's interesting.
	The Pentagon has been politicized.
	And let me tell you what the difference is between a Trump-Bush-Reagan way of running government as opposed to a Clinton-Obama-Biden.
	Under the Democrat model, Cabinet secretaries are clerks.
	The White House runs everything.
	So, you're an executor, right?
	Right.
	I'll give you one of the departments today.
	In the Trump administration, there was one White House employee in the department.
	The only job he had was to make sure that the department knew what was coming out of the different councils that the White House oversees.
	Domestic Policy Council.
	In that department today, there are 35 White House employees.
	What?
	Every letter gets a check for political sanity.
	And again, the cabinet secretaries are just placeholders.
	Under the Trump-Reagan model, The White House gives broad guidance and lets people go.
	There's a vision, and then you have to implement it.
	President Trump let me lose.
	What was the vision?
	What did he tell you you had to do, Robert?
	Fix it.
	That's it.
	He said, I don't want to know how you do it.
	That's the way a leader should be.
	Right.
	I'm not going to tell you how to do it.
	I'm not here to micromanage.
	But we have to... I'll just reiterate what he told me that first time.
	You have to restore morale and get people healthy.
	So we went from dead last in terms of best places to work in government to number five within two years.
	My gosh.
	We set a record for the number of appointments served to veterans.
	It was a complete turnaround.
	And then when the emergency hit, morale was so high and the efficiency was so good that we were able to send about 5,000 employees out into the country, everywhere from Navajo land to New York, to support the rest of the country.
	How many people did you, when you were appointed secretary to clean up the VA, did the president say, oh, and you can bring 20 people with you or 50 people with you?
	Or did you just go in there and start sweeping clean?
	Well, it's interesting.
	He did ask me a question.
	He said, what are you going to do to populate the leadership?
	I said, I have one request.
	I want people who either come from an extensive military background or come from a military family.
	Why is that key?
	I said, Mr. President, in the last administration, VA was a dumping ground for a bunch of Ivy League types who wanted a fancy title on their resume.
	That's what led to Phoenix and all of the disasters.
	Men dying in hallways.
	A sinecure.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	By bringing these people in, we had instant credibility.
	We understood the culture.
	We spoke the language.
	And for people like me who've lived through it in terms of watching family members who have been gravely wounded, and watching the toll on families for those who did not come back, I think it was very important and that changed the trajectory of the organization.
	The hardest part of it was dealing with this town.
	And I've said this before, there are so many people invested in the failure of VA.
	Because it's so easy to get up on a soapbox.
	And when you have this nasty, symbiotic relationship between the press and the Democrats in Congress, it's designed not to help veterans, it's just designed to destroy.
	Kellyanne talked about that last night, that the national media, instead of looking for who, what, where, and why, they just set about to destroy people Who were with Trump.
	She was talking about her little children getting calls from reporters.
	It's truly sick.
	And it will be a challenge.
	We spoke about the President's second term when he was on the show on Thursday.
	And it will be overcoming the left's plan to make sure that decent people don't serve in a Republican administration.
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	You had one more thing you wanted to share with us about working for-- ANTHONY FAUCI: An instruction from the president that was sublime.
	He looked at me, he said, Robert, go to the country.
	And I cocked my head, and then he filled in the blank.
	He said, go talk to the veterans where they live.
	He said, outflank D.C.
	Talk to them in Wyoming and Montana and New York.
	I went to 50 states.
	As secretary.
	As secretary, plus the territories, with the exception of the Virgin Islands.
	But you would be shocked.
	As to how right Trump was.
	I show up in San Antonio, 10th largest city in the country.
	For the Air Force it is military city USA.
	And I walk into the Audie Murphy Veterans Medical Center.
	And he grew up right outside of San Antonio.
	And they're looking at me and saying, you're the first secretary we've ever seen.
	Are you serious?
	The tenth largest city in the country.
	In a state where one out of every eight citizens is a veteran.
	Wow.
	And it had an incredible effect.
	The other thing that flowed from that is the president said, Robert, give the people at the hospitals authority.
	What he meant was, push decision making out of D.C.
	to the people who are closest to the patients.
	And we did.
	And morale soared.
	Because I've never been a doctor, never played one on television.
	And the notion of me handing out medical missives from the 10th floor of a building in D.C.
	for a population as diverse as the veterans population in this country.
	One other thing.
	And this goes to something that is not appreciated about President Trump.
	He said, where do you think your presence could help us in the globe?
	That's how he put it.
	I said, in the Pacific.
	I said, our protectorates, Micronesia, Palau, Marshall Islands, they have contracts with us.
	They send their young people to the armed forces.
	We have not paid attention to them, and I know the Chinese are coming.
	And we've seen that this week with my friend David Penlewu, who is the president of the Federated States of Micronesia, told the Chinese to pound sand when they asked Micronesia to join their version of the old Japanese-East Asian co-prosperity sphere.
	But I went to those protectorates ahead of the Chinese, and the funniest story I think I started an international incident, but the president loved it.
	The Chinese sent to the inauguration of the president of Micronesia their version of a political commissar.
	I think he was the political chief of the transportation ministry.
	Well, I'm a minister of state, so he has to sit down the line.
	And just typical bully, he comes up to me and he says, how many veterans do you have?
	I said, well, we have 20 million.
	He said, we'll always have more veterans than you do.
	I said, well, there is a difference.
	Our veterans become veterans by shooting the enemies of the United States.
	Your veterans become veterans by killing their own people.
	Oh my gosh!
	And I looked at his translator and said, you translate every word of that.
	I didn't see him again.
	I think you're a perfect fit for the Trump administration, Robert.
	But, you know, I reported that back to the President.
	But you saw then, even in some places as small as Micronesia, the bullying Well, and this was why it was so exciting to be not only in the White House, but before that to be on the transition team, because we didn't waste any time.
	I was working for Mike Flynn and for General Flynn.
	And one of the first things we did is we reached out to our Asian partners and we created relations immediately for President Trump with Abe and others.
	And let me just say, as somebody who was there at the creation, as they say, of the Trump administration, just the relief From those nations of that region who said, finally, we're not at the mercy of this communist bully and America wants to actually treat us like their friends again.
	It was a true moment of pride for me to be on that.
	We're talking to the senior national security contributor for Newsmax, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, In the Trump administration.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Now, as I've said before on this show, it's funny.
	When I was with Fox, when I was a contributor for Fox, they'd book you a day out, they'd send you the topic, and then they'd send these bullet points.
	This is now inside baseball for everybody.
	And they expect you to react to the bullet points via email before you came on air, which is often pointless because by the time you're on air, they change the story on you completely.
	But anyway, we don't do any of that because we have guests who know what they're talking about and who can think on their feet.
	So we don't get permission or, you know, author.
	Even with the president, they said, what topics would you like to talk about with the president?
	We gave, you know, three topics and then we talked about six different ones.
	So I haven't rehearsed this with you.
	And I hope you will indulge me, Secretary Wilkie.
	I need to talk about what happened in Texas last week.
	Yes.
	Because I think it feeds into what you've done for a living.
	It feeds into the fact that you've worn two uniforms of this nation's military.
	And what I tweeted out five days ago is a very simple observation.
	Why is anybody surprised if you attack faith If you attack the family unit, if you say that masculinity is a bad thing, nobody should be surprised, whether it's Parkland, whether it's this instance in Uvalde.
	The fact is, and talking to you it occurs to me, the other thing I should have added to that list, when we have denuded society of any sense of the innate value of service to something greater than oneself, if we live in an era of hedonism for twenty-somethings, purposelessness, then this will happen again and again and again, will it not?
	Well, let's add one more point.
	Yes.
	The innate goodness of the United States of America.
	Exactly.
	the only country in the history of the world to offer a helping hand to all of the peoples of the world, including her enemies.
	Yeah.
	And yet we are subjected, our children are subjected to the Howard Zinn version of American history.
	Which has become dominant in higher education.
	Higher education and in the White House.
	Yes.
	You know, somebody asked me about problems with desertion and recruitment, particularly in the United States Navy.
	Well, I took that to the entire armed forces.
	Recruitment.
	What do you expect?
	When these children are taught that America is the fault of all evil, that it is a repressive society, that it has bludgeoned other peoples in order to gain wealth, What do you expect when they are taught this from day one?
	You and I have talked about the renaming of the military installations.
	I grew up at Fort Bragg.
	My father was a senior officer in the 82nd Airborne Division, as I mentioned.
	The Confederacy is the low-hanging fruit.
	This is about erasing the next group.
	Washington, Jefferson, Madison.
	And if you don't believe that, right down the road from where we are sitting in Lexington, Virginia, Washington and Lee University has now removed the picture of George Washington.
	from the diploma.
	They removed General Lee a few years ago, but Washington came off this year.
	So it is much deeper than naming or renaming posts across the country.
	Churchill used to say, if we don't keep our children enthused about our history, then you can sell it.
	You can sell the country because nothing's worth it.
	So let's try and put something positive on that.
	So you grew up Around the men who had served in Vietnam, you saw what had happened to the military before and after Vietnam.
	My father had to arm himself to go into barracks at Fort Bragg in the mid-70s, because you talk about extremism.
	You had biker gangs, drug gangs, Black Panthers.
	And that was just at Fort Brant.
	Right.
	And the officers would have-- and these were elite troops.
	These weren't conscripts.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So let me ask you, in that case, if we could create the army of the 1980s after the army of the 1960s and 70s, can under-requisite leadership, such as President Trump and others, can we bring back the woke military such as President Trump and others, can we bring back the woke military to where Yes.
	The military has reached two different nadirs.
	The nadir of the 1970s was just pure exhaustion of both military and society because of Vietnam.
	Now, the nadir is reached because a profession that has traditionally been above politics is now thoroughly politicized.
	Yes.
	And if you don't believe me, and you should probably ask him to come on to talk about it, Senator Cotton, Just eviscerated the Secretary of the Army because they've done away with physical standards.
	Yeah.
	I think the pass is now 10 sit-ups and 10 push-ups.
	Oh my gosh.
	And they've done away with MOS, Military Occupational Specialty, standards.
	So for the infantry you'd have a different standard.
	For special forces you'd have a different standard.
	They've done away with that.
	In the name of equity, they're destroying the military.
	And we have to get back to basics.
	It can be done, but it's going to require a house cleaning.
	It's going to require reassessment at every level from basic training to the schools that we are surrounded by here in this community.
	Including the JPME higher learning schools where I served for five and a half years.
	Absolutely.
	When you've got officers, colonels, brigadier generals, lieutenant colonels, telling you that in this day and age the number one threat that the United States of America faces is climate change.
	Or white rage.
	Or white rage.
	You have a serious, serious problem.
	And the thing is, our enemies know that.
	They do.
	Our enemies are laughing, and our enemies, the perception they have is that America is weak, and when your enemy thinks you are weak, that is when they take action.
	It is not a coincidence that Ukraine was invaded shortly after the collapse of Afghanistan, the surrender of America in Afghanistan.
	And no coincidence that it was invaded during the Obama administration?
	Yes, exactly.
	Exactly.
	When America is run by people who hate America, then those who hate America elsewhere, they make hay while the sun shines.
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	Secretary Wilkie, I'd like you to, in our last few moments here, send a message out to two different interconnected groups in America today.
	Secretary Wilkie, I'd like you to, in our last few moments here, send a message out to two different interconnected groups in America today.
	First, those who are still in the military and are having to undergo their diversity, equity, and inclusion training, are being lectured about transgenderism and everything else.
	What is your message to them?
	And then what is your message to the 15-year-old, the 16-year-old who wanted to serve his nation but is questioning that decision now?
	Well, I think the answer is the same for both groups.
	Okay.
	And that is don't give up on America.
	This is the only country in the world where people fight and die to come to.
	Yes.
	That seems to be lost on our left-wing friends, I guess on purpose.
	And that the values that undergird the military These are values that you will take with you for the rest of your life.
	But don't give up.
	You have the ability to block out the nonsense, concentrate on what you came in the military to do, and that is learn your craft and serve.
	This too will pass.
	It'll certainly pass in two years.
	I think the halt will come at the end of this election cycle where they're not going to be able to pass any nonsense.
	You mean the midterms will slow them down?
	It will, because they're not going to be able to get anything through the Congress.
	But this requires a deeper answer, though, and that is the reform of American education at all levels.
	Forget the colleges.
	I'm more concerned about elementary schools and high schools, because if you're right there, then there's nothing the colleges are going to do to you.
	But it is frightening.
	It is frightening when you listen to people who are in charge at the Pentagon and the State Department and the White House, and it comes across as if these people don't like this country.
	Yeah, it is the most perverse... And I'll leave you with one statistic, and I thank President Trump for this, and I should have added it earlier.
	When I inherited VA, when President Trump inherited VA, according to CNN, had a 37% approval rating.
	When President Trump left, it was 91%.
	And this administration has stopped Measuring.
	His stop measuring.
	I wonder why.
	Well, they said it couldn't be done, and he did it in the Trump administration, so we can't do it again.
	But it's up to us.
	It's up to the midterms.
	It's up to you getting engaged politically, and it's up to getting President Trump and his team back in the White House.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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