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April 26, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: "I'm not coming back to Twitter," says President Trump

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	The End
	The End If you want to judge something, sometimes it's hard to judge that thing, that event, that person head on.
	And sometimes there's an easier way.
	There's a cheat, in a good sense, not in a bad sense.
	But you judge it, the person, the event.
	by how others are reacting to it.
	That, dear friends, is the perfect way to understand the events of the last 24 hours.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First on the Salem Network.
	We had the announcement minutes, minutes before the show yesterday.
	That Elon Musk, if you take Putin out of the equation, A, because his holdings are secreted away and bank accounts in Cyprus and he stole all the money anyway.
	If you ignore Putin, if you take him off, Elon Musk is the richest person in the world who didn't steal his billions.
	And his decision to not only make an offer of almost 50 billion, for the most influential social media platform that is available out there because the Chinese are not going to sell TikTok.
	The decision accepted by the board of directors, well that is creating a tsunami of responses amongst those who don't like you, don't like America and what it represents and really hate themselves and the civilization of which they are a part, meaning Western civilization.
	Let's listen to one of the greatest strategic minds alive today, regular guest on the show, Stanford University's Victor Davis Hanson, on why we've seen the reaction in the last 24 hours that we have.
	Play cut.
	I think the left is terrified in particular, but all of Silicon Valley is in general, because it's not just a potential buyer, it's the richest man in the world.
	And it's not just back to the climate of 2020, we're in a very different news cycle.
	And people have seen the last 15 months of this administration, and they know about the stories that you just referenced, and they're angry.
	And so the public is receptive to it.
	And they've got these midterms looming where if the Republicans take the House and Senate, and they may well, there's going to be legislation looking at these monopolies.
	So he looks at this.
	He scans the horizon.
	And he thinks this is a very good time.
	And I think Silicon Valley and the left think, you know, we've got to be careful about this guy.
	He took Tesla, and everybody thought he was a nut.
	And it's the largest company in the world, auto company in the world, on the basis of market capitalization.
	And it's the largest company in the world, auto company in the world, on the basis of market capitalization.
	It's worth over a trillion dollars.
	It's worth over a trillion dollars.
	And he did that himself.
	And he did that himself.
	And maybe he has expansive plans.
	And maybe he has expansive plans.
	Maybe he wants to have Twitter as a platform and go into what Facebook does or Google does or Snapchat or Instagram and just revolutionize the whole Silicon Valley.
	And he might have the money and the wherewithal and the public support and political support behind him.
	So you're starting to see the left more to say things like, oh, it's just an elite medium.
	It's just for liberal, mostly liberals, mostly white, mostly bicoastal people.
	It's not that important because they understand that it's they're losing this very important avenue to people's expression.
	That's the point.
	Can you imagine a few years ago, what if somebody told you 10-12 years ago, yeah there's a guy and he's going to create a brand new car company with brand new technology and he's going to get more market capitalization than Ford and GM and Toyota You would have said that's insanity.
	It's impossible.
	The auto industry is ossified.
	It is in place.
	You can't break in and not only be successful but be more successful than Marx brands that have been around for a century.
	It's what he did.
	And could he do that?
	I get it.
	I get the qualms, the issues with his business interest in China or elsewhere.
	But what he is, is a disruptor first.
	A very successful disruptor.
	It's not just cars.
	It's the space race as well.
	Single-handedly with his company SpaceX.
	And how do we know that there's a real threat?
	Because we know what happened previously.
	We understand what the existing prior owners of Twitter, of Facebook, of Google, of YouTube have done politically and what they think of you.
	Now,
	We need to probably call up the Baron because he's been on Ari Melba's show on MSNBC and ask him how Ari said last night what he said because there's only two permutations either he's really stupid and he's a lawyer so you never know or he's just lying to your face because this clip that has since gone viral is the essence of
	You own all of Twitter or Facebook or what have you.
	You don't have to explain yourself.
	You don't even have to be transparent.
	You could secretly ban one party's candidate or all of its candidates, all of its nominees, or you could just secretly turn down the reach of their stuff and turn up the reach of something else and the rest of us might not even find out about it till after the election.
	If you buy Twitter, Elon, you could have a political party that you favor.
	You could cancel out their candidate or candidates.
	You could even delete their Twitter accounts.
	You could suppress with algorithms the stories that you don't want people to know about and America would only find out after the election.
	Now he didn't say that as a joke.
	He wasn't being sarcastic.
	It wasn't a flip comment.
	So either he's a cretin or he's lying.
	Because that's exactly what they did.
	Not Elon Musk.
	It's what Twitter.
	It's what Dorsey.
	It's what Zuckerberg on Facebook did.
	We weren't allowed.
	I wasn't allowed.
	My Twitter account was suspended because I tried to retweet the true Hunter Biden story from the New York Post that nobody was allowed to retweet until what happened, oh, three weeks ago.
	The Washington Post said, yeah, it's his laptop.
	But it doesn't matter now because his daddy, the big guy who got 10%, is president.
	So when they project Their sins, their crimes on the other.
	You're allowed a glimpse into the dark, dark soul of those who hate this nation.
	Ari Melba hates America, at least the America you believe in.
	The greatest nation on God's earth built by toxic men that defeated The left in the form of Hitler and then the Soviet Union, because yes, it was the Nazi party, the Socialist Workers' Party of Germany.
	America's the problem because we're too successful, too free, too white.
	That's why we're the oppressors, don't you understand?
	And what if the good guys Do to us what we did to them.
	I don't know, is Mr. G there?
	I can't see in our new TV studio because they're in the control center.
	Mr. G, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Gotta ask you, Ari Melba, is he stupid or did he believe what he just said?
	Well, MSNBC, they call him one of the smartest guys on television.
	They think that's their genius.
	Ari Melba is the genius?
	Yeah, him and Rachel Maddow.
	So, he's lying?
	He's gotta be.
	I mean, but I don't understand even the lying about that.
	You know you're gonna be getting made fun of and just ridiculed the next day.
	Yeah, I gotta see.
	Ari, let's put the invitation out there.
	First, we're going to get the Baron.
	We're going to get him on the show this week.
	We're going to ask him, is Ari really that stupid?
	Because he's getting ratio to kingdom come with that video.
	We're going to ask him because he's been on the show and he's destroyed Ari live on his own show.
	And then he should come on our show, Ari Melba.
	If you've got the stones, come on America First.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, former strategist to President Trump, member of the National Security Education Board.
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	channel.
	Did he ask me on this show?
	Oh, you...
	If you've got it, Eric, give it to Jeff.
	And Jeff, you respond and just do a very formal.
	Sebastian Gork, we'd like to have you come on the show regarding this video clip and embed the clip.
	Sure.
	Yeah, so hang on.
	Let's do Israel and then in the C block we'll do Merch.
	We'll do JCN and then we'll do MyPillow.
	And then we've got Hoos we've done, MyPillow we've done.
	So with Lord Black we'll do Pod in Israel.
	And then we're set, right?
	Have I got everything?
	No, I'm good.
	I'm good.
	I'm good.
	All right.
	Jeff, did you listen to Franz?
	You did?
	You listened to the whole thing, and so we're going to use it, right?
	Okay.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
	I felt I was pretty hard on him, but he was being a sleazeball as well.
	Okay, good.
	All right, Secretary Wilkie.
	In focus!
	Sir!
	And I hope you weren't talking about me.
	About what?
	What?
	About what?
	I just heard your comment about an individual.
	Oh yeah, we just had a pre-record of one little segment with another host and I was pretty tough on him and I was just having a sanity check with my team.
	I'm never tough with you!
	Somebody who likes Doctor Who?
	I mean, we're blood brothers!
	Come on!
	All right, most important things to discuss.
	We just celebrated 96.
	So we got to talk about Slovenian tanks or Ukraine.
	Jane, what else is super important? - Something that the press has not covered, doctor, and it's frightening.
	I believe on Friday, The Vice President, who passes for being the head of the Space Council, said that we are unilaterally stopping our research and experimentation with anti-satellite weapons.
	Stupidly saying that she hopes the rest of the world will follow through.
	Wow.
	All right, we'll mention that.
	Do you have a way to turn your mic down?
	Is there any way to turn your mic down slightly?
	Your volume down.
	It sounds like it's a little out.
	Mic volume's a little hot.
	If not, that's... Yeah, I think it was set up for him by Newsmax, so let's pot him down a little bit.
	Yeah, it's all right.
	Standby, 30 seconds.
	All right, standby.
	Yeah, it's alright, don't worry about it.
	Okay, I just turned it down.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	We've got to talk about, I know, we could talk three hours about Musk, Twitter, about what Jack Dorsey said last night about Elon Musk.
	Very surprising.
	But things don't stop around the world simply because Twitter was bought by, somebody called him an African-American.
	I like that.
	He is from South Africa and he's an American.
	We have to talk geopolitics with the former Secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, now my colleague at Newsmax, Senior National Security Contributor, Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	Welcome back to America First One-on-One.
	Good to see you, sir.
	Secretary Wilkie, we're still dithering.
	We have a new aid package that has been proposed by the White House.
	We had members of the Ukrainian Parliament on my Newsmax show.
	We had Victor Davis Hanson last week talk about what Ukraine really needs to fight their own 1776, which is artillery, which is heavy weapons.
	And we have this latest news.
	I'm looking at this video footage from a Ukrainian Twitter account.
	of Slovakian Soviet-era T-72s being deployed by the Ukrainians to fight the Russian invaders.
	Now, Slovakia is a rump part of the former Czechoslovakia.
	It has a fraction of a fraction of the defense budget we have.
	How is it Well, I agree with you completely, and I really believe Putin is in the head of the national security team at this White House.
	Let's go through that.
	nation to liberate itself.
	Well, well, I agree with you completely.
	And, and, and, and I really believe Putin is in the head of the national security team at this white house.
	Let's, let's go through that.
	Uh, when he blustered about going on nuclear alert, this white house unilaterally stopped routine American nuclear exercises.
	Um, When he blustered again about bringing NATO into the fold, this White House stopped bringing NATO into this conflict against Russia.
	This White House stopped the Poles from distributing hundreds of T-72 tanks.
	So this is par for the course.
	And then most recently, When Putin was shown with his nuclear football, something our press watches the president do every day with his military aid, this White House just unilaterally decided to stop our advancement in the development of anti-satellite weapons.
	This is a White House that can't decide whether they want to allow the Ukrainians to lose or allow the Ukrainians to win.
	And just to put it in perspective, my father commanded An artillery battalion in the 82nd Airborne Division.
	That's 450 men.
	They had 60 to 80 howitzers.
	That's less.
	That's actually more than what this administration is offering the Ukrainians.
	And the 82nd Airborne Division has three battalions of artillery.
	So again, it is a halfway approach.
	They don't want to take firm decisions.
	And you're right.
	When the Slovakians and now the German Chancellor has told Rheinmetall, a major arms manufacturer, to start sending hundreds of old Leopard tanks to the Ukrainians, that shows you where we are.
	So, you're out of uniform now.
	You've served honorably with the Air Force, with Naval Intelligence.
	You rose up to one of the highest positions in the Pentagon, then Secretary of Veterans Affairs, and this may be tough for you to answer, but I'm going to ask you anyway, because of your father's experience, because of you spending some formative years in the UK when he was posted there, Look, NATO is without a doubt the most successful modern military alliance of its kind.
	I mean, basically winning a war without fighting it on November 9th, 1989.
	But isn't it really a shell, or rather, it's a shell game in terms of its effectiveness if there isn't robust American leadership.
	So NATO, yes, great, good and works.
	But when there isn't requisite leadership of either party from the Oval Office, Then really, there's not much left to it, is there?
	Oh, I agree with you completely.
	And let's put that in perspective.
	As the Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness, my health budget was more than the combined defense budgets of France and Germany.
	Without that robust American leadership, NATO really is reduced to our friends in Eastern Europe who know what the jackboot is about, and the traditional power, world power of the United Kingdom, which has also diminished.
	The Royal Navy is the smallest since it has been since the reign of Charles II in the late 1600s.
	So without that American press, without that American leadership, NATO is just a club for defense ministers to blow smoke.
	Will you expand upon what you mentioned very briefly earlier on in the break before you came on?
	So the Vice President, I was there for when Vice President Pence became the chair of the Space Council, the revivified Space Council when we were in the White House.
	Now Kamala Harris is supposed to be the point person for that.
	Talk about this very disturbing decision of just a few days ago.
	So she got off the plane and just happened to announce that The White House had ordered the Pentagon to stop its research and development and deployment of anti-satellite weapons.
	We know the Chinese have deployed these things.
	The Russians have them.
	And this is another adventure in what you and I have called cloud cuckoo land on the part of this White House, that if we just say we're going to be good guys, The dictators in Beijing and Moscow and Tehran will follow suit.
	This is insanity on a grand scale.
	And then you couple that with the administration still trying to have the Russians use their influence with the Iranians to cut a deal, Obama II, with the Iranians.
	And it's interesting That not only do the Saudis and the Emiratis and the other Sunni Arabs not return the phone calls of the President of the United States, but even the Washington Post reported that Macron did not return the call of the President of the United States, and Joe Biden was left talking with Macron's staff yesterday.
	So that's where America has come.
	That's as one former senator from Illinois rightly pointed out, why elections have consequences.
	We're going to talk more with Secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, Robert Wilkie.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First on the Salem News Channel.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, don't touch that dial.
	Who reported that about Macron?
	Was that the mail or where did you see that?
	That was also in the post.
	Let me see, just a second.
	I think it was the Telegraph.
	Why Elon Musk?
	Fox called to McCracken.
	Biden's call to McCracken goes unanswered.
	You can call it why Elon Musk has them all worried, has them so worried.
	Yeah, hang on.
	I'm just sending you something my son sent me yesterday, Robert.
	The BBC has a new show launching soon on the origins of the SAS looks pretty good.
	Okay.
	For Sydney.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Why being a man matters.
	No, why masculinity matters.
	Oh, and congratulations to your wife for her involvement in that.
	Fiasco in Fairfax County.
	The fact that the Washington Post not only wrote an article about it, but sent a post photographer to the little community center in McLean is just, they're just obsessed.
	Just obsessed.
	But it's exciting.
	Yeah, totally.
	Yeah.
	You think it's such a big deal?
	Yeah, Sidney said we still have the remnants of this culture where even, you know, a kiss can be now be called sexual assault or whatever.
	Right.
	But it kind of started to crumble with the Kavanaugh thing.
	But I think this one, just because this was early on, like the initial media wave was, oh, Johnny Depp's obviously the guilty one.
	He's obviously the guilty one.
	And now the tides have turned so dramatically, I think, because they're both such big names.
	I think it could very well be like A slow death to the Me Too movement, I think.
	Could the Secretary, also, if we could have him move a little to his right?
	Robert, could you slide just a little bit to your right, a couple of inches?
	Yep, that's fine.
	Is that good, guys?
	That's good, yes.
	I agree.
	Nice, thank you.
	30 seconds.
	We've got Merchant Relief here.
	Merchant Relief.
	Standby.
	Okay, yeah, go back to that.
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	Is it Tuesday?
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	We are back with Newsmax's new Senior National Security Contributor, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, who also in the Pentagon was, I can't imagine a tougher job, responsible for readiness, for personnel, for the greatest fighting force in the world.
	Let me ask you, Secretary Wilkie, given your background running the Pentagon's readiness We have the confirmation, sadly, we have the body has been retrieved of National Guard Specialist Bishop Evans who was trying to rescue an illegal alien and died trying to do that for his fellow man.
	Can you give us a sense of what has happened to morale, not just in the National Guard with that story, but across all the people you still stay in touch with, Bragg and elsewhere, after the new Commander-in-Chief, after Lloyd Austin, after Mark Milley have taken over?
	Well, it reminds me of what I heard my father and His fellow senior officers in the 82nd Airborne and 18th Airborne Corps talk about, I used to sit at the top of the stairs when they'd have parties in our home, and what they would talk about during the Carter years, about the drop in morale, the lack of vision from the Pentagon.
	I think it's actually worse now, because at least with Carter, he changed his trajectory and said he was wrong.
	He began funding programs that Reagan eventually used to bring down the Soviet Union, the B-1 bomber, the Abrams tank, and there were several others.
	But this is a new extreme, turning soldiers into informants, telling soldiers that if they come from a particular part of the country, that they have a propensity to be bad.
	The look for Extremists in the ranks, they found 100 people that they thought were suspect.
	That has a devastating effect on those who fight and those who carry the battle.
	And I also think you see, and you've experienced this as an instructor, the politicization of the senior officer corps, the likes of which we've really never seen in this country.
	When you and I can walk into a war college and the colonels and the lieutenant colonels tell us with a straight face that they're there to fight climate change and that racism is the greatest problem impacting America and the world, then you know that they have come up in a climate
	that demands political conformity.
	And the tragedy is that for people like my father and his comrades who looked to General Eisenhower and General Bradley and Ridgway as their lodestars, those men didn't even vote.
	Nobody knew what their political persuasions were.
	In fact, nobody knew that Eisenhower was a Republican until the day he announced That has been the American tradition and they are blowing through that and it is going to have, unless there's a change in administration, it's going to have a devastating impact on the long range.
	We've got literally 20 seconds left, but that's the most important question I want to ask you.
	You turned around an agency that people had written off as a disaster that couldn't be salvaged, the Veterans Affairs.
	What's happening with the military writ large can be turned around with a different president, yes or no, Secretary Wilkie?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And new leadership, certainly political, but definitely in uniform.
	It can be.
	It's been done before after Carter.
	We did it when we were in the White House with President Trump and with Secretary Wilkie.
	It needs to be done again.
	Thank you, Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	You too.
	And your wife.
	I'll tell her.
	What's a good way to talk about the space story?
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	National... Let me think.
	Oh, let me talk to him.
	Can I talk to him offline?
	Love you, man.
	No, I'll do JCN. No,
	I'll I'll do JCN.
	No, I'll do JCN.
	I was gonna go to Brent, but he dropped off.
	Brent from LA says he doesn't trust Elon Musk.
	And as a good friend of the show, I wanted to see, I wanted to hear his arguments.
	Maybe he can call back.
	We'll get your calls momentarily.
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	Because what Biden is proposing is a $2.5 trillion tax hike that is mostly going to affect you if you own a small business.
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	We can do it together because his popularity is in the dumpster.
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	All right, we'll get to your calls momentarily.
	But first, gotta talk to somebody who I've been a proponent of.
	I've supported his campaign in large part because he's a patriot, but also because he's a former Marine.
	Dr. Cordy Williams is fighting for the cacklers old Senate seat, Kamala, in California.
	But the swamp doesn't like you, Dr. Williams, do they?
	No, they don't.
	I'm the grassroots candidate.
	I'm the candidate of the people, Seb, and they don't really like that because to actually change the system here in California so that not every city in this state is on the CRAP app.
	That's right.
	There's an app for human feces.
	All right, so tell us what happened.
	What did the local GOP do?
	Although, you've done amazingly.
	It's the first time that you got involved in politics.
	We met over cigars at a Great Patriot event.
	How has your campaign gone?
	How much money have you raised?
	You've decided to serve again.
	So give us the story of how the campaign went and then what the local rhinos are trying to do to you.
	Yeah, well, we've raised over a half a million dollars.
	Doesn't sound like a lot for a U.S.
	Senate race, but this race is very, very vulnerable.
	It's a jungle primary, so it's a top two voter-getters.
	We know that the King Charles Cavalier Spaniel, meaning the lapdog, Alex Padilla, he's a lapdog of Mussolini.
	We know he's going to take that first spot.
	We're really excited about that second spot.
	You know, we've out-fundraised the field.
	In just under nine weeks, everybody in this race that is significant is in debt right now.
	We're not.
	We've got $120,000 cash on hand.
	We've got PACs coming in.
	We've got Axiom Consulting that won Junkin's campaign, a bunch of major endorsements, and the two largest grassroots endorsements in the state, the California Republican Assembly, I beat my opponents 105 votes to 40.
	We've got the Tea Party Caucus of California.
	So we're really excited.
	We're in the process of sending out about 8 million mailers.
	But as far as the swamp goes, it seems like they're really kind of positioning themselves to back a guy that's, you know, lost three, four times.
	He put in an election integrity lawsuit and then came out and said there was no voter fraud.
	So I'm just really appealing to all California voters that this isn't about Trump or Biden.
	It's not about red or blue.
	It's not about race or gender.
	We're all going to be standing in the same bread line asking for bread and permission to have freedom from a guy like New Cellini.
	If every city in this state has a position on the crap app, because it's just a metaphor for what's happening in this state, and evidently these career politicians on both sides don't care.
	I used to call him Gruesome Newsome.
	That is Nancy's nephew, the governor.
	But I do like a new Cellini.
	That's a nice twist.
	You do have a way with words.
	Okay.
	We need to talk offline.
	We need to strategize about how we defeat the Rhinos.
	But in the meantime, how can people support you and find out more about this Marine who wants to take Kamala's seat?
	You can go to Cordie4Senate.com.
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	Guys, keep following this man.
	He's the real deal.
	He's the sweetheart of a guy.
	I know he hates when I say that as a Marine, but he is.
	And he's a big teddy bear.
	So keep following Seb.
	He's making America great again.
	God bless you Seb.
	Thanks for having me on.
	That's it.
	He's cancelled.
	He called me a teddy bear.
	He called me a sweetheart.
	That's it.
	You are completely deep-sixed.
	It is Cordy, the number 4.
	Cordy4Senate.com.
	We can't stop supporting this guy.
	You can't keep a good man down.
	God bless.
	We will get you back on the show.
	And you, I know, are going to continue fighting.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	Don't forget to follow us on all social media platforms, except YouTube, because they banned us because they're a bunch of fascists.
	But hey, maybe, Elon, you could buy that one next.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Brent in Los Angeles, line two.
	He doesn't like the richest African-American in America, Elon Musk.
	What's up, Brent?
	Well, Great Gorka, I throw myself at your mercy.
	All right, you tell me, tell me, what's the problem?
	Well, first, I hate to be cynical, skeptical, and suspicious, but I fear President Trump and all Americans need to double down on truth social, getter rumble, and other trustworthy platforms, because I smell a big, fat, stinking muskrat.
	I do not trust this thieving, scheming, CCP-partening, carbon-climate con-artist whose environment-destroying, toxic rare-earth elements are transporting rich and famous oligarch-loving leftists in their Green New Deal rolling robots.
	I trust him as much as Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Bloomberg, Biden, Clinton, Obama, or Jack Rasputin Dorsey.
	And I don't think I should trust that he's transforming Twitter to promote truth.
	But he's simply perfuming and electrifying his newest Fecalstein monster.
	Ouch!
	Ficklestein monster!
	Okay, so let's go beyond the alliteration and the political poetry.
	So is the issue that he makes electric vehicles, you know, and the rare earth minerals, well, what is the thing that makes you say, I don't believe it, this isn't about freedom of speech?
	What is the biggest burning issue for you, Brent?
	Well, because his entire industry, everything he's built on, has been a con.
	And he, you know, now that he has enough money to buy Twitter, how about paying back the billions and billions of dollars he built from the American taxpayer to build his company?
	And I think what he's doing is, I think he needs Twitter to do for the climate con what Gates and Pfizer did for the COVID con.
	But has he ever, if he's really a climate con artist, has he ever done what Greta Thunberg, what Secretary Granholm, he hasn't done the AOC, the world's ending, has he Brent?
	No, he's that brilliant.
	He's that under the radar.
	You know, unfortunately, at the same time that this happened, I've been reading 1984 again.
	And I'm looking at the techniques and the devices of mind control, and he just knows how to brilliantly put himself in there.
	All right.
	Well, you know, Alex Marlow said this to me.
	It's a bit of a wake-up call.
	I really appreciate what you're saying, Brent.
	We're going to dig deeper.
	We're going to find out what the truth is, and we'll see.
	Because actions speak louder than words.
	What is he going to do with Twitter?
	The one big test is, will you release the algorithms?
	Elon, if you're listening, release the algorithms.
	Thank you, Brent.
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	That was interesting.
	Okay.
	Yeah, because he doesn't bloviate about it.
	Play.
	Yeah, it's just a cheap shot.
	Play cut ten.
	The right wing has embraced character assassination as a political tactic these days, and grooming is a new buzzword in some corners of the right in order to weaponize this character assassination and dehumanization campaign.
	Their narrative around indoctrinating children has become a key part of the GOP messaging strategy in the midterms.
	It's been embraced by the mainstream.
	This QAnon-driven conspiracy, mind you, by the way, folks.
	That is such a crappy studio.
	That green screen is so bad.
	Cut six, quickly.
	On Hunter Biden, the New York Post is reporting, looking at White House visitor logs, there were 19 visits to the White House while the President was Vice President by Hunter Biden's business partner, including one with the Vice President.
	Do you help us understand why that business partner had access and what those meetings were about?
	I don't have any information on that.
	that I'm happy to check and see if we have any more comments.
	Dr. G is in the house on America First.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	Welcome.
	We have an amazing guest, one-on-one for you.
	We're going to be talking to Kash Patel in the third hour, Lord Black in the next hour.
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	Waiting very patiently, line one, David, California.
	Thanks, doctor, for taking my call out.
	I wanted to comment on Elon Musk's deal.
	I want in my heart for him to be what he claims to be, a platform for freedom.
	His reputation is also his currency.
	He has SpaceX and he has his car manufacturing plants.
	I'm hoping and praying at his age he still has a lot of life to live.
	And that he's not a con artist.
	I want to believe it's all real.
	I'm a little worried about Washington because already I see on the news they're, you know, they're going to try to take an axe to something.
	And I'm not a negative person.
	I want him to be real.
	I have no reason to not believe that he won't.
	That's my comment.
	My question is, I'm hearing this thing about McCarthy lying again, Kevin McCarthy lying about he did not or he did.
	Yeah, yeah, he didn't call the president, didn't tell the president.
	Yeah, what's your question?
	My question is, why does, and I love Trump, I voted for him, but why does he continue to forgive these people?
	I'm not saying take an axe to them, but why does he continue?
	It's probably politics beyond my comprehension, but...
	He's a rat.
	Great question.
	Let me answer because we've got to get to another call.
	If I had to guess, and I haven't broached this with the President, because he is ruthless with those who really turn out to be his enemies, it's because Kevin McCarthy isn't really his enemy.
	He's just weak.
	And also, you don't take an axe to somebody politically unless you've got somebody to replace him.
	And right now, great people like Jim Jordan say they don't want to be the Speaker.
	So you've got to have that plan B ready if you actually go to war politically with somebody you don't like.
	So wait and see.
	We have to wait and see what happens.
	That's my take.
	What do you think?
	Well, I hope you're right.
	I mean, I want it to be good for Trump.
	I love him.
	I can't stand to see any more people that he's promoted got into office, turned right around and stabbed them in the back.
	It makes me furious.
	I hope you're right.
	I agree with you.
	You've got to have a plan.
	You've got to have a plan.
	You can't go nuclear unless you have a plan.
	And we'll see.
	Look, the midterms are the big test.
	You know, if we have a sweeping victory, then at that point the president can say, look, I'm running, which he can officially announce then, but I can't work with Kevin McCarthy.
	Now that's when it gets very, very exciting.
	Thank you, David.
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	Okay.
	and then ins and outs, John.
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	And at the risk of stating the obvious here, it's a pretty good time to be in a sports fan.
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	No teacher should ever be.
	There's no better proof that our country is being run by... Conrad.
	Conrad?
	Hello?
	Yeah, are you there?
	Yes!
	Alright, I'm coming in with a clip from the President from Ohio at the weekend and I'm coming straight to you.
	And then I have your piece in front of me from Epoch Times, the Never Trumpers.
	I just can't take it from Peggy anymore.
	Stand by.
	I just can't take it from Peggy anymore.
	You're listening to America First with Dr. G.
	Amen.
	There's no better proof that our country is being run by a deranged group of extremists than the treacherous crusade against American energy and Ohio energy.
	They see what you're doing to your energy and your energy industry with their fake Green New Deal policies.
	Biden and the Democrats, Socialists, have done what our worst enemies could never, ever have dreamed of doing to our country.
	That was my former superior, President Trump, on Saturday in Delaware, Ohio, at one of his rallies that is still incredibly popular.
	The question is, is it hyperbole?
	Is it to say that deranged people, treasonous people are running the country?
	Well, if it sounds like an exaggeration, let's just flip the question.
	How would an administration behave differently if it truly had the intent to undermine America?
	Let's ask somebody who's written multiple presidential histories.
	He is a very keen, sagacious observer of American politics, regular friend of the show, co-host of the Scholars in Sense podcast, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Colin, there is hyperbole, and of course there's the language one uses on the stump during a rally, but to the second version of my question, it is hard, is it not, to consider how you would act differently if the intent were to undermine the economy and the national security of the United States, as we have witnessed in the last 15 months?
	If you wanted to try and maintain yourself in office, yes, it would be hard to do a worse job.
	I mean, if you were simply trying to wreck America, and in fairness, I don't think the Biden administration wants to do that.
	I don't, I mean, goodness knows, I don't cut them much slack for all the mistakes they made, but I don't think they really seriously want to destroy America.
	But if they did, I think they would do things that they would know would would really grossly offend the country and lead to them being removed from office one way or another quite quickly.
	But short of that, I have to agree with you.
	They've selected policy choices that are indefensible in every major field, whether it's the southern border, crime, Afghanistan, the Green New Deal, inflation.
	I mean, everything they have done is mistaken, and almost all of it, they were warned by everybody.
	Even some of their so-called friends in the media not to do it.
	They can't say they weren't warned, but they just ran over the cliff, taking the whole country by surprise.
	So then, as somebody who's written some seminal presidential histories, not just of Donald Trump, but Richard Nixon and also FDR, we have to leap to the next question.
	So how is that possible?
	If it's not a conscious, determined decision to undermine America, then Is the only other plausible answer that they are so rigidly handcuffed to an ideology that promotes these kinds of decisions that they're in some kind of suicide pact?
	I think not.
	I wouldn't quite put it that way.
	But even Senator Sanders, the leader of the of the socialist wing of the Democratic Party, who calls himself a socialist, and is elected in Vermont to the U.S.
	Senate as a socialist.
	Even he admits that he only represents 30 or 35 percent of the Democrats.
	But somehow or other, in that arrangement he made with Biden in the summer, where he would basically support the Biden candidacy 100 percent, but Biden would adopt his platform, They put this across that this is what they were going to try to do.
	Now, I suppose, in fairness, it must be said that they haven't been able to do.
	It's terrible what they have done is they haven't been able to do most of what they wanted to do.
	I mean, they didn't get Build Back Better through.
	They really haven't done more than about 25% of the horrible, insane ideas they intended to implement.
	But to answer your question as best I can, Not knowing any of the individuals or the sort of ambience in that group, somehow or other the powers that be in the Democratic Party decided it was time to give the far left a chance.
	And whether they did it thinking, well, we'll just do a course correction after we get absolutely hammered in the midterm elections, A larger scale of what President Clinton did after he took a beating in his first midterm elections, and to an extent President Obama did the same thing after what he called a shellacking two years into his term.
	If it wasn't tactical like that, I think they've simply lost control, and it's a train out of control.
	No one is driving the raffling train.
	It's just raffling through the night, and no one knows where it's going or how it'll stop, except that it's obviously going to be a crack up of some kind.
	So let's drill down on this supposition that they're giving the left a chance with just one little anecdotal moment.
	So we played a video clip yesterday, a very peculiar press conference.
	He's outside the White House.
	They've put a podium there.
	And Biden is asked a question from behind, turns his back fully to the camera, so all you see is, you know, the back of his head, and somebody asks him about the environment and the military, and he says, well, you know, it's really funny, you know, as the Commander-in-Chief, I really get to decide what we spend the money on, no joke, I do, and we are going to make every vehicle in the U.S.
	military environmentally friendly.
	Now, Lord Black, that's not giving the left a chance.
	That's insanity.
	I did the math on the show.
	When you compare a Prius or a Tesla to a 50 or 60 ton tank, you can't run it on batteries.
	You can't run it on windmills.
	So aren't we at a place where there is a disjuncture between a political elite on one side and reality?
	I must congratulate you for your vivid imagination.
	You bring to mind the idea of putting solar panels on tanks, and I wouldn't put it past these people to try it, but I don't think it would be very effective if you were exchanging fire with anyone.
	But yeah, I think you're right.
	I think what you outlined, and I happened to see that particular performance by the President, I think that implies Another scenario, which is that he has got it into his mind that he wants to be the most so-called progressive.
	Progress constituted bankrupting the country, throwing open the borders and doing everything as incompetently as possible.
	But he wanted to be the man of the left, put his flag in the ground as the most Socialistic and generally leftist president in the country's history, and reap a future reverence and veneration of the kind that only mindless leftists can heap upon their heroes.
	I mean, I remember the days of Joan Baez sitting at the feet of Herbert Marcuse and so on, this kind of thing.
	And he would become a kind of folk hero in American history as a figure, a cult figure of the left, a pioneer, a prophet, if you will.
	And that, to some of his remarks that he makes about being a new FDR or this sort of thing, I mean, it's just so off the wall and so completely irreconcilable with historical facts that it does lead it's just so off the wall and so completely irreconcilable with historical facts that it does lead one, or at least leads me to think that He thinks he's an old man.
	He's only got one term.
	He probably wouldn't be a leftist anyway.
	And he's going to try and get out there as someone who did what the left will get done in the next 50 years.
	Because his assumption would be that things would keep moving generally to the left forever, because that's the way he thinks.
	But this is so dangerous.
	I mean, I think, and I don't want to put words in your mouth.
	Completely irresponsible.
	It's terrible.
	But when you were the president of the biggest media group of its kind, the Hollinger Group, you didn't say, I want to be the most conservative press baron or media entrepreneur.
	You just said, I want to be the best at producing the best newspapers, surely.
	Absolutely.
	You just do the best you can.
	I mean, you say you're producing a product, and in a sense it's like providing a service, and you just do the best, most competitive job you can, reconciling high ethical standards for that occupation with just quality of what you produce.
	You know, we filled the papers of good writers and always made the division between reporting and comment.
	And, you know, the political equivalent would be examine each problem And produce the best policy.
	Irrespective of ideological constraints.
	You don't mind moving to the left sometimes, so that's the best thing to do.
	But you weren't building a cult of, you know, who Conrad Black will be considered to be politically for the next century.
	Let's put his books up on the screen.
	If you see a book with his name on the spine, Donald J. Trump, a president like no other, is the most recent Roosevelt champion of freedom.
	Or a life in full Richard M. Nixon.
	It is worth your time.
	We'll be back with Lord Black after these messages.
	Thank you.
	The, um... He was there, Sebastian?
	Yes.
	Look, um...
	I don't know.
	Something snapped when I read that nonsense at Peggy's about how Biden has to improve his messaging.
	I mean, what planet is she living on?
	This guy is a dodo.
	This is going to be the topic of the next segment.
	Eric, can you just play me that video clip quickly?
	Yeah.
	I want to thank Commissioner Gary Batman for being here as well.
	And at the risk of stating the obvious here, It's a pretty good time to be in a sports fan.
	Was that when he had the hockey team there?
	And he mucked up the name of the commissioner of the National Hockey League.
	You had the hockey team there?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And he didn't get – he mucked up the name of the commissioner of the National Hockey League.
	Right.
	He called him Batman.
	He got his name wrong.
	Yeah.
	Come in with that, guys, okay?
	For Wilkie.
	Conservative sabotage.
	Oh, no.
	Republican sabotage in California.
	And then for Wilkie... No.
	Can NATO survive under Biden?
	And this piece on the Never Trumpers on Peggy, was that today or yesterday?
	When was that?
	Yesterday, okay.
	Yeah, okay, good.
	Sebastian, I've just put up a piece in the New York Sun that you'll like.
	Oh, good.
	There's no paywall there, is there?
	No, no, I don't think so.
	If you've got a problem, I'll send it to you directly.
	Okay, super.
	I mean, my point is that I think they may be trying, as their last ditch effort here, to escalate a bit the war Or at least their contributions of the Ukrainians in the war, and try and turn that into a political winner.
	Right, right, out of desperation.
	Yeah, well they started out thinking, well Milley told them that the Russians would be in Kiev in three days, you know, so that's what they, so he offered Zelensky a free ride out of his country.
	Yep.
	All right, stand by 70 seconds.
	Actually, I'll do Israel, and then I'll tee up the clip, and then we'll go to Conrad.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	When did Batman first appear?
	Was it Action Comics in the 1930s?
	We now know his true identity and he's a sports commissioner.
	This was sadly the incumbent of the White House yesterday talking about Batman.
	I want to thank Commissioner- One more- I want to thank Commissioner- Gary Batman and for being here as well and at the risk of stating the obvious here.
	It's pretty good time to be in a sports fan.
	So the individual he's talking about was Gary Bettman, not Batman.
	And right behind him, the Tampa Bay Lightning's Victor Herman found it rather amusing.
	That is the man who is always less than 40 feet away from the nuclear football.
	Yes, that is Joe Biden.
	Let's continue the discussion with the co-host along with Victor Davis Hanson and, of course, Bill Bennett, my former Salem colleague of the podcast Scholars and Sense, Lord Conrad Black.
	Follow him at Conrad M. Black on Twitter.
	You have a new article out on the Epoch Times.
	Let's post it, please, Eric, on our Twitter and Facebook pages, where you address a certain author who described my former boss as somebody who you've done business with in the past.
	as a malignancy metastasizing in the oval but Peggy Noonan's latest faux pas is her description of what Biden should be doing, correct?
	Yes, I mean, I personally think she's a very nice lady and she's a friend of mine.
	I kept great liking for her and she has rendered great service.
	She's a wonderful speechwriter for President Reagan but and she was quite fair about Trump up until about halfway through his term.
	And then she just was one of these people who suddenly a cuckoo bird flew out of her head, and the word Trump caused her to behave like a wildly irrational person who should be in a straitjacket.
	And her latest offering was that President Biden's problem is messaging.
	He's just got to improve his message and be less, as she put it, self-referential.
	And, you know, this reminds me of That old movie from the 30s, Dinner at Eight, when one of the principal people in this film is going bankrupt, and his wife says, I'll fire the florist.
	I mean, we have a president who has simply walked off the dock in every policy area.
	It is a disaster everywhere.
	And the answer isn't to improve the message.
	The answer is to improve the product, and the message will take care of itself.
	So, I think it's clear to say that this individual belongs in the never-Trump-er category.
	Has their utility diminished?
	Are they still useful for the left that hates President Trump, given that we're in a midterm?
	How do you see the different tribes shaking out, given that messaging has nothing to do with the rate of inflation or two million illegals crossing the border in 14 months?
	I think their relevance is declining constantly, and they're like a group of interwar Amy Grays who've washed up in Paris, or a less commodious city than Paris, and they don't have anyone to listen to them anymore.
	They don't represent anything, and no one pays any attention to them.
	And these people cooperated wholeheartedly in the destruction temporarily of the Trump presidency.
	And while I would certainly not suggest that people like Peggy Newman had anything to do with the alterations to the voting and vote counting rules that are questionable legality, she was part of it, egged it on, and was one of those who tried to maintain a cone of silence since, and was one of those who tried to maintain a cone of silence since, saying that any attempt to impugn the integrity of the election is simply an outrage, sour
	And so they're all of the piece in trying to defend the very, very questionable way in which the change of administration was engineered.
	And they carry the can jointly with all of their fellow co-spirits for the most incompetent administration in the history of the country.
	I mean, with respect, where it's due, um, this is a less competent administration than President Buchanan's that led to the Civil War, or President Pierce just before him, or, you know, the presidents who were frequently disparaged in the 20s, President Harding, for example.
	I mean, these people are simply completely incompetent.
	And, you know, even the presidents I just mentioned had distinguished people in their governments.
	I mean, I needn't, you know, enumerate them all, but there were, I mean, in the 20s you had Andrew Mellon and Charles Evans Hughes and Herbert Hoover as a Commerce Secretary, and even a distinguished Secretary of State, Lewis Cass, and, you know, he had some good people.
	This is just a gang of amateurs who are getting everything wrong.
	Well, arrogant incompetence, I would say, not one of whom has resigned on principle for any of the disasters that have occurred in the last almost year and a half, including Afghanistan.
	However, you have just penned a piece that will be published soon in the New York Sun, where you're positing a potential Hail Mary pass from this administration for the midterms?
	It seems to me that they're following events, and they started out Buying into General Milley's line that the Russians would take Kiev in three days and they would have completely absorbed Ukraine, snuffed out the whole idea of Ukraine as an independent country within a couple of weeks.
	And so President Biden graciously offered President Zelensky and his family a free ride when they wished to flee their hopeless situation.
	And as the Ukrainians held and repulsed the Russians on the ground, the U.S.
	government's position has gradually strengthened, though even as of yesterday with the return of Secretary Blinken and Secretary Oskin from Kiev, they have yet to say exactly what the country's goal is in this war.
	And so they seem to be raising it to the point where they want it to be a really distinct Ukrainian victory, which means they will have to at some point contemplate how they're going to help the Ukrainians bring an end to this Russian concept that they can simply savagely attack from the air the civilian population of all of Ukraine.
	in support of this barbarous and illegal invasion that they conducted, which has been unsuccessful on the ground.
	But they'll just carry on turning the airspace of Ukraine into a shaggy.
	It's going to be a tall order.
	We've been talking to Lord Conrad Black.
	themselves on doing something about that that isn't to use the pentagonese escalatory yeah that if they carry it off maybe what they think they can go to the people that to make to make it look after the missile pressure to make it look like a success it's going to be a tall order we've been talking to lord conrad black this is america first
	and how quickly does the sun get get your articles out Will it be out tomorrow, you think?
	Should be out by then, yeah.
	Excellent.
	And are you pretty regular with them?
	Should we be checking them quite regularly?
	Every week.
	Every week now.
	I've gone from American greatness to them.
	I had some I had some problems with American greatness, so I've changed places.
	Hang on.
	Can you kill the mics on the stream?
	Can you kill the mics on the stream?
	Can you kill the mics on the stream?
	Can you kill the mics on the stream?
	Thanks, Eric, for the talking points.
	Those were good.
	I want to thank Commissioner Gary Battman for being here as well.
	And at the risk of stating the... No.
	No.
	All right.
	So... Oh, good.
	Sure.
	Yep.
	What's a good angle?
	Oh, the never-Trumpers are done. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. the never-Trumpers are done. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.
	Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.
	Um, maybe Saki.
	Um, I don't know how to do it just out of the blue.
	Um, if somebody reacts or makes an issue out of it, then it's easy.
	On Hunter Biden, the New York Post is reporting, uh, looking at White House... Mm-mm, no.
	Thank you.
	From the ReliefFactor.com studios, this is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	So I think it was yesterday that we mentioned 19 visits to the White House to see Vice President Joe Biden by Hunter Biden's business partner.
	Why?
	Was it to share cookie recipes?
	No, clearly it's to discuss Hunter and Hunter's business interests if you are his business partner.
	Jen Psaki was challenged on that record of the White House log.
	Let's listen to her response.
	On Hunter Biden, the New York Post is reporting, looking at White House visitor logs, there were 19 visits to the White House while the President was Vice President by Hunter Biden's business partner, including one with the Vice President.
	Can you help us understand why that business partner had access and what those meetings were about?
	I don't have any information on that.
	I'm happy to check and see if we have any more comments.
	What's with her eyelashes?
	She looks like Pippi Longstocking.
	You know who Pippi Longstocking is?
	The Swedish character of the children's books.
	It's not an improvement.
	Are those like MSNBC or CNN eyelashes?
	I have no information.
	Really?
	Because the White House has 19 instances of Hunter Biden's business partner going to visit his daddy, the big guy, when he was vice president.
	I've got to share with you the news that a court has temporarily blocked the ending of Title 42.
	So a judge yesterday has said that they cannot just rescind the health mandate to be able to deport illegal aliens.
	That's some good news.
	And then we have Elon Musk's statement.
	I want to share this with you.
	After his deal was approved by the board of Twitter, he said the following.
	Free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and Twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated.
	I also want to make Twitter better than ever by enhancing the product with new features, making the algorithms open source, wow, to increase trust, defeating the spam bots, and authenticating all humans.
	I look forward to working with the company and the community of users to unlock it.
	Authenticating that they're humans.
	I guess that means that Mark Zuckerberg's account is going to be cancelled.
	Lastly, very interesting, Mr. G said something positive about Rasputin yesterday.
	I mean Jack Dorsey, the former CEO of Twitter.
	And Jack Dorsey responded to Musk's deal.
	In principle, I don't believe anyone should own or run Twitter.
	It wants to be a public good at a protocol level, not a company.
	Solving for the problem of it being a company, however, Elon is the singular solution I trust.
	Interesting.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	Okay, let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to Stanley, Los Angeles, Line 3.
	Welcome to America First, Stanley.
	Yeah, I think Lord Black left something out of his Peggy Noonan column, where she compared John F. Kennedy to Joe Biden, and how he handled the Cuban crisis.
	You know, Kennedy was an anti-communist and a patriot, and Joe Biden was none of that.
	And basically she'll never admit that she helped him get elected.
	So do you understand, Stanley, why she's doing what she's doing?
	Because this is the thing with the Never Trumpers that I still don't understand.
	You say you're a conservative and you attack the most successful conservative politician for 40 years.
	What is driving these people, Stan?
	I don't understand.
	They feel they're losing power somehow to another group in the Republican Party.
	And they're trying to regain power.
	I think that could be the ticket.
	Let's go to Tom, line two.
	Tom, welcome.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Thanks for the show.
	Thanks for all that you do and the way you stand up for the things that need to be stood up for.
	And I agree with you in your supposition with Lord Conrad Black about, you know, treason here, because If you look at each and everything Biden's done from the ABCs of abortion and Afghanistan through COVID and corruption and everything else and all the people he's hired that are corrupt and anti-American, what other conclusion can you come up with?
	I mean, you know, the guy has taken bribes.
	This is my opinion and conclusion.
	He has taken bribes from everybody and he's doing their bidding now.
	To me, that's treason.
	You know, and instead of building back better, I think as a country we need to build back biblically.
	Oh, I like that.
	Build back biblically.
	Stay on the line, Tom.
	You've got to get a little prize for that.
	Let's give him a signed copy of Why We Fight.
	Build back biblically.
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	I embarrassed myself on the show earlier this week.
	I was on a call with one of the listeners.
	They mentioned a radio host called Bob Franz, who I'd actually met before COVID, which seems like millennia ago.
	The topic was J.D.
	Vance and whether or not he's really pro-Trump after he's been endorsed by my former employer, the president.
	Well, let's talk to that man.
	He is from AM 1420 The Answer in Cleveland.
	So he should have some of the local knowledge.
	Bob, welcome to America First.
	Dr. G, good to talk to you again.
	How are you?
	All right.
	I'm very well, but I'd love an update from the field.
	So, every time we have J.D.
	on the show, a guy who, as far as I'm concerned, he gets it.
	His book, Hillbilly Elegy, helps you understand why a non-politician won.
	Now he's got endorsed for the Senate out of Ohio by President Trump.
	But my little bird whispered in my ear and said, you may have a different opinion about the race.
	So spill the beans, Bob.
	Well, it's not necessarily a different opinion.
	It's that we don't know the reality, I think, of what J.D.
	stands for.
	A lot of conservative feathers were ruffled big time when President Trump made that announcement because there are two other guys in this race who have been staunchly pro-Trump from the very beginning.
	I've interviewed J.D.
	many times, including the day after the endorsement last week.
	And I said to him, what I've said to my audience, and I'll say to you right now is, you know, nobody knows the sincerity of a man's heart except that man.
	All we can do is listen.
	Is he truly regretful of the things he once said about President Trump for the sake of sincerity, or is it for the sake of political expediency?
	And we don't know, but what we do know, Dr. G, is this.
	You know, these retractions of statements about President Trump, and now being pro-America First and so forth, didn't happen in 2017 after President Trump was doing a great job in his first year, didn't happen in 2018, didn't really even happen in 2019.
	They happened in the last year, year and a half, when he decided he was going to run for the Senate.
	Now, does that mean he's not sincere?
	No.
	But it begs the question, Only now, just now, we're going to say, I'm for everything that I saw President Trump doing.
	I don't believe in all the things that I said before.
	You don't know that.
	So the only issue for you, Bob, is timing.
	Is that it when it comes to Vance?
	Because I look at the field, I look at individuals like Mandel, who's a two-time loser.
	I see a guy who's picking fights with elder gentlemen like Mike Gibbons.
	And also, I see the facts on the ground.
	This individual, J.D.
	Vance, a former Marine, has been endorsed not only by President Trump, but by luminaries of the America First movement.
	Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Charlie Kirk, you know, Don Jr.
	Are you saying that he's hoodwinked everybody?
	I'm not saying he's hoodwinked anybody.
	I'm saying that the conservative base in Ohio is very, very upset by this because they're not sure, especially when you consider, Dr. G, a lot of the things that J.D.
	has announced that he is essentially running on.
	He comes from the world of big tech.
	He is back.
	I'm one of the biggest financiers of Big Tech, and his leading statement on his platform was, I intend to bring Big Tech to heel.
	Hang on, hang on.
	You've got to stop here, Bob.
	I'm going to stop misinformation, okay?
	This is not on.
	So let's call a spade a spade.
	Who's the person from Big Tech who is helping fund the campaign?
	Let's name names.
	Peter Thiel.
	And what is wrong with Peter Thiel?
	Well, nothing is wrong with Peter Thiel.
	Okay, stop there.
	Stop there, Bob.
	Because I'll tell you about Peter Thiel.
	Peter Thiel is a guy who sent some of the most solid America First MAGA people into the White House.
	And I worked with them in the National Security Council.
	These are sterling individuals, people from big tech.
	And I know, we've got to be leery.
	But guess what's happening?
	Big Tech is changing.
	Look at the Elon Musk decision.
	The idea that everybody in Big Tech is evil.
	No.
	Peter Thiel and his team proved themselves in the building for four years.
	So the idea that he's associated with one guy.
	Do you think everybody in Big Tech, Bob, is bad?
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	And I'm not suggesting that everybody in Big Tech is bad, and I'm certainly not suggesting that because Peter Thiel is financing J.D.' 's campaign, that somehow J.D.
	is not sincere.
	But what I will tell you is that when you add all of these things up, the fact that somebody who really, really benefited big time from Big Tech and their heavy-handed censorship... Bob, Bob, that's... Bob, Bob, you've got to do better than that.
	You can't say he profited from Big Tech.
	No.
	He is associated with a guy who proved himself during the Trump administration who sent us some of the best experts into the National Security Council.
	He's a guy who said, I made a mistake six years ago.
	He's a guy who's been endorsed by President Trump, by President Trump's son, by one of the bravest people on Capitol Hill, Marjorie Taylor.
	You're not providing a requisite amount of evidence, and I'm going to have to say this.
	Give me a chance to do that.
	Let me finish with this.
	Let me just say this.
	If the person, because you're not the president, you're not the former president, you didn't work for him, if the person who should be offended the most by comments made six years ago didn't The problem with that thinking is he's not the only one that was offended.
	the man, and I'm talking, of course, about President Trump, that I think we need to give that decision the benefit of the doubt.
	At the end of the day, you are right, Bob.
	Nobody.
	Hang on.
	Hang on, Bob.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	We were offended.
	But hang on.
	There's lots of people.
	There's lots of people out there.
	Mark Levin didn't support President Trump.
	My colleague Dennis Prager didn't.
	I'm sure you've made mistakes and you've reassessed them in your life.
	So at the end of the day, Bob, I'm going to have to finish here, Bob.
	I'm going to have to say this.
	You are right.
	Nobody knows what's in the heart of a man, but as far as I'm concerned, he's proven himself already because of the enemies he has.
	And if he has enemies like the Washington Post, CNN, and the pedo-protectors of the Lincoln Project, J.D.
	Vance has my support.
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	We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
	So it's more of a reputation risk.
	That audio still chilling even now after we've played it I don't know how many times on this show.
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	Big tech has demonstrated itself in the last six years to not be on this side of America.
	But Peter Thiel, who's not exactly a Reagan or classic conservative, maybe on the liminal edge between libertarian and conservative, He has supported people across this nation who are fighting for America first and he sent some great people into the White House, into the National Security Council.
	I'm not going to name names here.
	Some of them may still be in government.
	You know who you are guys and some of them Kevin, especially.
	Very, very smart individual.
	So the idea that JD Vance is associated with Peter Thiel.
	Oh my gosh!
	That means he's being funded by what?
	Big Tech?
	Yeah, not the bad Big Tech.
	Let's be clear.
	We are here to do one thing.
	Push back.
	Push back on the propaganda and the defamation.
	And that's going to be our next hour.
	In studio, took us long enough, former Chief Investigator for the Intelligence Committee in Capitol Hill, former terrorism prosecutor, Department of Justice, Former Deputy of National Intelligence and Chief of Staff of the Pentagon, Kash Patel will be with us.
	He is fighting the swamp.
	We're going to ask him, how bad is the deep state?
	How broad is its influence?
	And also, what can we do to fight the fake news, the defamation, the libel of good people with his brand new organization, Fight With Kash?
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	And how does it affect you?
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	We'll be back one-on-one with Kash Patel.
	We'll be back one-on-one with Kash Patel.
	On the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
	So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this.
	What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were motivated to?
	I don't know, but from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them.
	Why would you do that?
	Even if you're a fringe character, if you're Alex Jones, if you're some right-wing extremist like Nick Fuentes, why would you threaten an incumbent president with revenge from the American intelligence community, let alone if you are the majority leader in the Senate, Chuck let alone if you are the majority leader in the Senate, I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First, and we are delighted to have somebody in studio to answer that question, a man who's
	Curriculum Vitae, his resume is rather impressive.
	Kash Patel!
	Welcome to One on One.
	It's great to be with you.
	This studio is awesome.
	People need to be here.
	This is my Batcave.
	What do you think?
	This is a heck of a Batcave with the best backdrop I've ever seen.
	We had to take that from our old studio.
	The best photograph of Sean Connery in my opinion.
	But we've got all the ephemera of my childhood.
	Star Trek, Doctor Who, Batman as well.
	But what's with you dude?
	Where's the suit?
	Seb, I thought we got it to a point in my relationship where the suit is for swamp creatures.
	You're not a swamp creature, man.
	Is that why I have here, like one of those infomercials just available under the desk, my own Cash Fight with Cash hoodie, which I have a lovely hoodie I use for walking the dogs.
	It's America first, but we now have to rotate between Between this lovely OD green one that I've just received moments ago in our green room.
	We're going to talk about what fight with cash is.
	We're going to talk about what you are doing out there to drain the swamp.
	But first things first.
	It's going to be hard to do.
	We only have a few minutes to open the show.
	But tell everybody out there just a thumbnail of what you've done professionally at DOJ.
	No, I appreciate it.
	As always, it's great to be on your show.
	It's one of my favorites.
	So, I started out as a public defender.
	I thought that would last a day or so.
	It went on for a minute.
	Then I became a terrorism prosecutor.
	So you were putting away terrorists As a government prosecutor.
	Yes, for the Department of Justice.
	Amazing.
	Yeah, it was a great job.
	Then we crossed paths at JSOC.
	I served a tour of duty at JSOC as a civilian.
	Right, Joint Special Operations Command, which are the sharpest bit of the tip of the spear.
	The coolest of the cool.
	So, got to work with you and SEAL Team 6 and Delta, targeting operations on the roof.
	Fantastic.
	Donald Trump gets elected.
	I meet Devin Nunes.
	I want to go to the White House.
	He's like, we got this Russiagate thing.
	And I was like, well, no one's really paying attention to that, but whatever.
	Let's do a quick investigation on the Hill.
	So you wanted to go to the White House?
	Yeah.
	But the chairman of the intelligence committee says, no, no, no, no.
	We've got this weird thing about Russian collusion.
	Can you come and work for me?
	He was like, look, with your background, prosecutor, investigator, intel, why don't Come here for a year.
	We'll put together a quick report, and you'll be on your way.
	And I was like, okay, it's good.
	I'd never worked in Congress before.
	I was never a staffer.
	And so I went over to the intel community, ran Russiagate.
	He nor I.
	As chief investigator.
	As a chief investigator.
	He nor I thought it would become the biggest criminal conspiracy in American history.
	And then luckily thereafter, true to his word, Devin sent me to the White House.
	I ran counterterrorism for the president.
	And then I became deputy director of the White House.
	So you were Senior Director for Counterterrorism in the NSC in the Trump Administration?
	Yep.
	And then where did you go?
	Then I tried to stay in that job, but I lost that argument with the President.
	He made me Deputy Director of National Intelligence, overseeing the intelligence community.
	Working for?
	Rick Grinnell and then Johnny Ratcliffe for a little bit.
	And then I again went back to what was my favorite job, running counter-terrorism as Senior Director there at the White House.
	Which was going to be my job.
	I didn't know that!
	When I worked for Mike Flynn in transition.
	I was going to be CT Senior Director.
	What happened?
	Eight days before the inauguration, somebody called Steve Bannon and said, no, no, no, you're working for me as Strategist to the President.
	Okay, so there you go.
	Small world.
	You lost up.
	And then what happened?
	So you want to go back to counterterrorism, finding and whacking the bad guys, and then what happens?
	And then I lost another argument with President Trump, and I said, this is the best job ever.
	And he says, that's nice, but you need to go run the Department of Defense as the Chief of Staff.
	Which was a position created, was that Chief of Staff position?
	It's not one that was known in the past.
	It's not one that was known in the past.
	And he said, well, you go do it.
	We trust you.
	And what was your remit?
	Were you making things run on time for the sec death?
	Well, I mean, the mandate was pretty simple.
	He's like, Cash, you and Chris Miller, who was the acting SecDef at the time, after we fired Esper, he said, end the forever wars.
	I've been campaigning on it for six years.
	The dumb, stupid forever wars.
	Bring our guys back.
	Bring our guys home.
	Kill terrorists.
	Bring home hostages.
	Do the basic stuff.
	And, oh, by the way, make NATO pay more for everything and stop making us be the piggy bank.
	Pretty simple, right?
	But I was shocked.
	And really why he was elected, right?
	I mean, it's one of the reasons.
	Secure the border, stop the stupid wars, and get government out of the way.
	Yeah, and then take on the narco-traffickers.
	And we did all that, but it was shocking for me to see at the Department of Defense, the largest company on planet Earth, 3 million employees.
	It was shocking to me that almost no one there was doing what he had One of the most dangerous things I saw happen in the White House was when a general would go to the president, when the president asked, why do we do this like this?
	Whatever it was, defending an Asian country at our own cost when they're very rich.
	And the general would say, Because that's how we've been doing it for 20 years.
	If you said that to President Trump, he was like, excuse me?
	That's a reason?
	What?
	Right?
	He hated that.
	That was the worst thing you could say to him.
	OK, so let's go back in time.
	You wanted to do the CT position.
	Go back to that.
	Of all the things, let me ask two questions.
	Of all the jobs you've done, and that's an amazing career.
	I mean, you can retire now.
	Stop starting new companies, Cash Patel.
	Which one was the most satisfying?
	And which one was the most disturbing in terms of stuff you found out?
	Working for Devon?
	Yeah, I think the most disturbing going backwards is probably as a guy who was a terrorism prosecutor who used the FISA court and the intelligence guys to do kill-capture operations.
	I was shocked That the FBI could intentionally lie to the most secret court we have, receive top cover from the Department of Justice, and then falsely surveil a presidential candidate.
	I mean, this isn't even Stephen King science fiction.
	It's beyond that.
	So it just disturbed me.
	But what disturbed me even more was I thought, OK, we found it.
	This is something everyone in America should know about and get behind a fix.
	What disturbed me more was the response from the left and the mainstream media.
	They just crushed us and said, you're wrong, you're lying, damn the facts, damn the evidence, and for four years, you know what they did?
	They ruined half of what American news receives.
	They said, these guys cannot be listened to, even though they're right, we're gonna lie to you for four straight years, and they folded in the intelligence community and do their bidding along the way with leaks of classified information, which you, you know, I know you know a lot about, not as a leaker, but...
	I'm the guy who, a week into the administration, when the new classified National Security Council phone book was leaked to the Washington Post before Mike Flynn had even signed off on it, I'm the guy who said,
	You know what get every damn stinking polygrapher from DOJ over to the Eisenhower executive building and I don't care whether we appointed them or whether a holdover polygraph every employee in the building until we find the leaker and perp walk them out across the north lawn in front of the cameras.
	Mike he said can't rock the boat too early three days later he was fired so yeah this is this is when you know the swamp The Deep State, it's not a theory, is it, Cash?
	Yeah.
	It's real.
	It existed, unfortunately.
	It exists now.
	And so, that was the shocking part, the disturbing part.
	You know, being a counter-terrorism guy and being able to run counter-terrorism for President Trump was probably... The most fun?
	The most fun, because we just got after it.
	Right.
	Unleashed the greatest nation on God's Earth to kill bad guys.
	He said, look, and I haven't told anyone this, but I had a classified org chart on the back of my skiff door.
	One for ISIS.
	The secure facility in which you work.
	Yeah.
	One for ISIS.
	Baghdadi at the top, on down.
	One for al-Qaeda, right?
	Ayman al-Zawahiri on down.
	And he said, kill him.
	Kill them all.
	We got over 90% of these guys during his administration.
	90%.
	Some of them we'll talk about in 25 years.
	And then when you see American hostages reunited with their families who've been separated for two, three, four, five years.
	That's something that, I don't know, somebody, Regnery, you, somebody who worked for you, needs to write that book about what we did.
	Just what we did for hostages in those four years is truly remarkable.
	I got a surprise for you.
	We're writing it.
	Oh, well, great minds, great minds.
	Okay, guys, we're talking to Kash Patel.
	We're going to have a one-on-one for the whole hour.
	You've got to follow him.
	He is on Truth Social.
	Of course, he's got, you know, a very cool moniker.
	It's at Kash with a K. Also, it is fightwithkash.com, and he's an amazing conservative.
	What do you call it?
	Transaction processing?
	Yeah, Payment Processing Company.
	Payment Processing, where you cannot be cancelled.
	It is, of course, Patriots.us.
	We're going to discuss all of that and more.
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	We're talking deep state.
	We're talking the swamp.
	We're talking the perversion of the tools of federal power.
	What more do you need than a former CIA director saying the following?
	Play cut.
	I don't expect Mr. Putin to acknowledge it.
	He's, you know, he's going to deny, deny, deny.
	But for the President of the United States to continue to prevaricate on this issue, I think does a great injustice and a disservice to the men and women of the intelligence law enforcement community, and does a great disservice to the citizens of the United States.
	And that's why I said it was nothing short of treasonous.
	So I've asked you this before on the show, Cash, and I've got to ask it again because it's of such magnitude as far as I'm concerned as somebody who's still got my clearances, worked in the Intelligence Union in the British Army, worked in the Defense Department in the White House.
	When a guy like that...
	Who still has his clearances, all of them, the highest level clearances, as a former CIA director in a new administration on cable TV calls the new president a traitor, treasonous.
	Forget domestic politics.
	Forget the swamp here and everything you saw in the fake Russia gate.
	What does that do to the national interest of all Americans?
	If you think of people in North Korea, people in Moscow who want to help us, who want to be walk-ins, who want to go to the local embassy and say, hey, Putin really is crazy.
	Here's what you need to know.
	Or somebody who's going to tell us about the nuclear weapons program in Iran.
	When they hear that and they say, and they don't know American politics, they say, That guy just called the president of America a Russian agent.
	Called him a traitor.
	I'm not going to give the Americans any assistance.
	What does that one sentence do to the safety of all Americans?
	How truly treasonous is John Brennan's soundbite?
	Yeah, well, actually, that's a great point.
	No one's ever put it quite like that.
	What it does is it eviscerates 250, 75 years of the American experiment.
	That's why we are different from the world.
	We can come here from all over the world and all be American and say, okay, no matter what happens, we have a democratic process, a president that's elected, and a chain of command that cannot be broken.
	And once you leave government service, you don't then turn around and go ahead and politically attack, with cheap shots and fake rhetoric, the current commander-in-chief.
	And if you're the rest of the world looking in, after Trump comes in and you have cabinet-level secretaries, former directors of the CIA, coming in and saying, the President of the United States is treasonous, with no actual information, no facts to support it, just to extend a political narrative, it's no surprise that the rest of the world looks at us and says, well, just to extend a political narrative, it's no surprise that the rest of the world looks at So it eviscerates not a Republican or Democratic policy or institution or government.
	It crushes American national security because we were at the top.
	And, Seb, now look where we are.
	I mean, I don't even think our president currently receives phone calls from any of the world leaders anymore when we talk Ukraine, China, Russia, the border, the opioid crisis.
	Or, you know, can you help us OPEC and, you know, Sorry, I'm not returning your calls, Joe Biden.
	No, I'm too busy meeting with Bashar al-Assad.
	I'll catch you next week.
	All right, so I want to drive down deep on this because, you know, we're still accused of being conspiracy theorists.
	There is no deep state.
	Let me give you two examples.
	I didn't use the phrase deep state when I arrived in the Trump administration.
	I didn't either.
	I said, little tinfoil hattie.
	And I don't like conspiracy theories.
	I like conspiracy facts.
	Then, after three or four weeks of... I wasn't on the NSC like you were.
	I was in the Office of Strategic Initiatives for the President, but I went to all the NSC meetings that impinged upon my work.
	So, China, defeat ISIS... Yeah, that's your background.
	I was there just to know what's going on.
	And I'd sit there for an hour, an hour and a half, with all the outstations in the sit room, in a classified environment, and I'd listen for an hour, an hour and a half, and nobody mentioned the name President Trump, and nobody said what the President said yesterday in Warsaw about ISIS, or what he said about China.
	So there was, as if the election hasn't occurred, and I'd be the guy at the end of the meeting in a British accent saying, Excuse me, everyone.
	You do know what the president said about China yesterday, or ISIS yesterday?
	Are we actually achieving the goals that he set?
	And it's like, who is this weirdo reminding us that we've had an election?
	And then I realized that these are SESs, senior bureaucrats, SISs, who think, I'm the boss!
	Who cares what the people, 64 million people, think?
	So, one, I started to understand, yeah, it's real.
	And then, after seven months, I've told you this, after seven months of trying to succumb to some former students of mine, three who were at the FBI and one at the CIA, for an at-name request to come to the White House to work for me on a special project, I was told by somebody at the FBI, off the record, Seb, you're never going to get those guys because the seventh floor at the Hoover building looks at this building, the White House, as quote, the enemy.
	Then I realized, yep, there's a deep state.
	Can you reinforce, can you tell our millions of listeners and viewers that this isn't Gorka making stuff up?
	This isn't just some strange anecdotal evidence that isn't reflexive of the city.
	Seb, I wish I could tell your viewers that you were just making stuff up.
	Because then it would be, you know, we'd have a laugh about it and we'd carry on our democratic process.
	But it's killing our democracy.
	And I'll give your audience, you know, fact-based conspiracy, right?
	Russiagate.
	We unravel this investigation.
	And what do we find?
	The same FBI that told you from the 7th floor of the Hoover building, you're never getting these guys.
	And James Comey was running at the time because who cares about President Trump?
	I'm in charge.
	Right.
	These same guys who perpetrated this fraud and lied to a federal court and smudged a FISA warrant and pumped in information paid by a political party and buried that documentation and then got higher up levels DOJ, the Associate Deputy Attorney General, in Bruce Ohr to come in and shepherd that process through just so they could spy, just so James Comey could come into meetings like this and say, "President Trump's not in charge.
	That actually happened.
	That's been proven, not by my words or your words or Devin's words, by the FBI's own documents, by the DOJ's own documents, by their own recordings, by the sworn testimony they gave to federal court.
	And now, you and I covered it, we lived it, we covered it back then.
	But thank God now America's seeing it on full display because of John Durham.
	I know we're going to talk about it, but the part that scares me is, you know, you talk to millions of people, you talk to more people than I probably, almost, the only person that talks to more people than you is probably Trump.
	But no, it's important because how many people come up to you and say, wait, Russiagate?
	Isn't that the thing where Trump did X?
	And you know, you just, you put your head down and you're like, wow, where did you get your news for the last five years?
	I was at a political event for my wife who's running for the local community center board because she's fed up with transgender story hour with drag queens and I had another candidate, a democrat, say What do you mean?
	The Mueller report proved that the president is a traitor.
	And I'm like, did you read it?
	If it did, then why isn't he in prison?
	He's a private citizen now.
	So there's reality, and then there's narrative.
	And the question is, who's winning the narrative war?
	We're talking to Kash Patel.
	You've got to follow him on Truth.
	Social it is at cash with a K also fight with cash calm and of course his new Amazing service for conservatives who don't want to be cancelled and who have businesses it is Patriots US would discuss that in a moment as well This is America first one-on-one cash.
	I've got to ask you About how we how we fix all of this.
	Let's start with you've worked at the DOJ You've worked in a White House What is it going to take, so I know if we win the Senate and the House, President Trump is running.
	It's a certitude.
	I think he'll stroll back if we can secure the elections.
	What happens then?
	What do you do with DOJ?
	Because you can't change the whole, you can't replace everybody.
	What do you do with the FBI?
	As somebody who's literally educated thousands of special agents, SOS staff and intelligence analysts, I'm gutted by what I've seen.
	Because I like these guys.
	But I've seen one whistleblower.
	One FBI whistleblower in five years.
	Which means there's a real cultural problem there.
	Because people are serving warrants they shouldn't have served.
	They should have said, here's my badge, Mr. Director.
	Here's my gun.
	This is wrong.
	This is politicized.
	That FISA warrant is garbage.
	I am not serving it.
	So, do you have any ideas, as a guy who's run the Pentagon as Chief of Staff, where do you even begin to have organizations in federal government that serve all Americans?
	Well, it's pretty simple.
	You put you back in charge.
	No, but that's, you know, it is that simple, right?
	Personnel is the key.
	It's the thing that I think President Trump now realizes in the first two years.
	They didn't know.
	They were coming in from business world, super successful, having never served in government, and they said, rightly so, we can trust the careers.
	That's what you're supposed to do.
	That's why you're a career.
	I was a career.
	For my entire career, I was a career.
	I wasn't even a political under President Trump because the mission mattered more.
	So the way you fix it, whether it's whatever three-letter agency, DOJ, FBI, CIA, DNI, DOD, whatever, it's personnel.
	But it's not just the top guy or gal.
	Because this is the issue.
	So I like Mike Pompeo, but Mike Pompeo was sucked up by state.
	He went there to change it, I know, because I had breakfast with him in the Navy mess in the West Wing, and he said, I'm gonna die on that hill, Seb!
	I'm gonna reform the State Department so it represents America.
	Toast.
	The next Christmas card I get from him, it doesn't mention Jesus, it's got abstract art on it, and it's like celebrating diversity at the State Department.
	I said, Mike, you're gone.
	The swamp ate you.
	The blob ate you.
	So it's not just the cabinet member.
	So what happens next, Cash, beneath the cabinet members?
	Oh, you know this.
	You've got to go four or five levels down.
	It's the deputy secretary.
	It's the undersecretary.
	It's the chiefs of staff.
	It's the guys that report liaise between that agency and the White House.
	And it's the National Security Council.
	We have that bench, Seb.
	You know that.
	It's small.
	It's small.
	We've got to build it.
	But it exists.
	And I think what the Trump administration did was bring out careers in government that agree with President Trump politically.
	And I think we have to go mine some of those people.
	To find the professional bureaucrats who believe that elections actually matter.
	I mean, there's not a lot of them, but they're there.
	Enough to build upon.
	Enough, because you don't need to replace the two million, whatever it is, five million person U.S.
	government workforce.
	You just need the top five at every agency or department, maybe ten or fifteen.
	But with consequences for those, so my idea, let me run this past you.
	I don't know if I've ever passed this by you.
	So about a month into the administration, I went to Bannon, I went to Steve, and I said, who's chief strategist, I'm strategist to the president, and I said, you know what?
	There are some issues at the departments.
	We've had an election.
	Things aren't moving the way 64 million people wanted.
	Steve, we need 24 guys in teams of two.
	I'm happy to volunteer to be one of them, who are bastards, who are hard bastards.
	And every week in twos, go from the White House to the agency, whether it's agriculture, Whether it's the CIA.
	And say, on a Friday, Mr. Secretary, what have you done in the last five days to implement President Trump's agenda?
	And when you get the wrong answers, sooner or later, we tell the President, you know what?
	That guy you chose?
	Swamp.
	He's not doing it.
	There needs to be a control mechanism that isn't the usual one, which gets sucked up in paperwork, delays, security clearances being shuffled under a desk.
	Don't you need some kind of team to make sure the elections actually have consequences?
	I agree with you on a large scale.
	I probably disagree with you on a small scale, because the thing that's supposed to happen is you shouldn't need that.
	No!
	But it didn't work!
	But it didn't work, you're right.
	And I think the root of that can be solved by implementing the National Security Council, because they're supposed to be the hub of the entire wheel that actually does that reporting, that gets the cabinet-level secretaries to report it, and then you tell the president On a daily basis, this guy... But then the senior directors really have to be doing that function.
	The NSC senior directors can't be sitting in the Eisenhower building every day doing micromanagement of target lists like they did for Obama.
	Yeah, but they can't also be Fiona Hill.
	There can't be people undermining the president like Fiona Hill.
	Or what's his name?
	Don't call me mister, right?
	Vindman.
	Sorry, Vindman.
	All right, I could do this for hours, but first let's actually pay the rent because that's why we're here and that's how we give you this amazing show.
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	So right at the beginning of our discussion, you mentioned the FISA courts.
	Now, most people, for good reason, are not aware what these are, which is fine.
	You shouldn't be, if you're not breaking laws or working with terrorists.
	But this is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act courts.
	Secret courts.
	No jury.
	Judge's identity is secret.
	It meets in private.
	And this is Where you get warrants to surveil on U.S.
	citizens in America if there's some nexus to national security.
	It is clear that it's been perverted.
	It's clear that we had DOJ, FBI lawyers, Dr. CIA documents literally reversing their meaning so members of the Trump team could be illegally spied upon.
	My question to you as a former national security prosecutor, as somebody who worked behind the wire with JSOC, Can we keep the FISA?
	Does it have to be radically revised?
	If the founding fathers had been told 200 years later there's going to be a secret court that is giving out warrants to spy on American citizens, Would they have agreed?
	It'd be a tough sell.
	In all honesty, it'd be a tough sell.
	And maybe I'm a little biased.
	The way the statute and the way the court and the way the product is supposed to work, just think of it like this, Seb, for the audience.
	A FISA court gives out search warrants just like a federal judge gives out search warrants.
	Yeah.
	Standards the same, probable cause.
	It's just for national security related stuff to terrorism and espionage and things like that.
	Now I can tell you, I made cases that I would never have made, meaning we pinched, we nabbed terrorists we never would have nabbed without the FISA process.
	Because what made it so useful?
	Because the tools that we are able to actually appropriately use with our intelligence community overseas, which I believe is the whole point of the Five Star, you're not supposed to really use it in America in the first place, but that's a separate story, then allows you to monitor and collect on terrorists and terrorist actions in places we just don't have placement and access.
	And that's very helpful when you want to find someone, when you want to get information, when you want to build a case.
	And then when you capture that person, what are you going to do with them?
	Have the ACLU scream at you?
	No, you need to have your case built.
	And that's what the FISA process is in place for.
	So at its core, I've always advocated for it.
	Now I'm also the guy that found out that it was being completely bastardized, and I'm the guy that's screaming the loudest it needs total reform.
	As a result of the Russiagate investigation that Devin and I ran and that we put out our report, most people don't know this, the Inspector General of the Department of Justice, the Obama Inspector General of the Department of Justice, still in power, issued three reports about the FISA court.
	Over 1,000, three zeros, 1,000 errors in 1,000 FISA applications before the court have been found.
	And when you say errors, is it like a commas in the wrong place?
	Not like, oh, I got the guy's name wrong.
	No.
	Like, why isn't the information that supports this fact being presented?
	Where is it?
	Why did you not give me the whole information?
	Why did you leave out evidence of innocence?
	Why are you, the FBI, coming in here and being political?
	To have it happen at that level, to have it happen mostly under James Comey and then of course under Christopher Wray, who comes out every time we hit him with the report of Incontrovertible fact that you guys are still screwing up.
	He just says, oh, well, we're going to listen to your reform suggestions.
	No, no, no, no.
	The IG cannot reform the FISA court.
	Congress has to reform the FISA court.
	But what does that look like?
	If you say this is something that has to be available to capture or neutralize terrorists or threats abroad, how do we stop it being perverted a thousand times in a thousand warrants?
	So we actually had like 17 recommendations in our Russiagate report that we put out that obviously nobody really read because it was pretty long.
	But you can't do anything.
	They're just recommendations if you don't have the weight of Congress, the Senate, to put it in front of you.
	The number one thing?
	Don't make it so secret.
	How about if you, the government, are going in there to surveil an American citizen or someone related to an American citizen?
	Like in any other proceeding?
	There's another attorney there.
	Representing that target.
	They don't have to know that their target's being represented, but at least they're offering the judge.
	The other side, to say, hang on a second.
	So that classical confrontational aspect is applied to FISA.
	An ombudsman, right?
	Just an experienced, seasoned lawyer who's a national security guy.
	And that would be enough, do you think?
	That would be a good start.
	The other thing is, here's the thing we don't do in FISA, which most people don't know.
	Like every other court proceeding you've ever seen, you've watched everything from Matlock to whatever, right?
	A court reporter.
	It's really simple.
	Why does the FISA court not require court reporters?
	What?
	Yes!
	That's why there's half of these proceedings you go into and you try to review.
	They're like, well, we just had a conversation and there's nothing recorded except the pleading.
	That's unacceptable.
	That's unacceptable.
	That's just wrong.
	But it's simple fixes, right?
	When they know that these things are being done, then the characters can't act corruptly because then they're going to get caught like they did with John Durham.
	All right, so why as a guy who's been a public defender, terrorist prosecutor, helped targeting terrorists around the Pentagon, worked in the White House, why did you start something called Fight With Cash?
	What is fightwithcash.com?
	I appreciate the sweatshirt and the hoodie, but tell everybody why you were so driven to do this.
	What are you trying to achieve?
	What are you trying to stop?
	Well, look, Seb, you know this personally.
	Well, I've lived it, but I wanted you to explain it.
	You know, and when I, a guy who is an apolitical guy serving in government for 15 years, gets mercilessly attacked, I can take it, I'm a hockey guy, I can take the attacks, whatever, right?
	But when they flat out put you on display for the world to see and make up stories about you, lie about you to the world, the mainstream media, With the assistance of, of course, the likes of Fiona Hill and Vin Min and characters like that, being defamed is not fun.
	I can take it, but we've got families.
	People have to read about it.
	If it's true, then report it away.
	Then it's not defamation.
	Then it's not defamation.
	So we got enough of that, and Devin and I were like, you know what, we've got to clear our name.
	So we filed our own separate lawsuits, and I filed against Politico, the New York Times, and CNN.
	All still going.
	Going very well, by the way.
	Nice.
	And I'm not taking a knee.
	They will.
	And then we got out of government.
	I got out of government after the Trump administration.
	And people were like, I've been defamed.
	I've been deplatformed.
	And I'm like, well, then why don't you go out and sue, you know, ignorantly?
	Well, here you go.
	Go sue.
	And they're like, those cost a lot of money.
	We don't have the means.
	You're talking about average citizens, not chief investigators on Capitol Hill.
	So I said, all right, well, I'll start FightWithCash.com.
	We're going to go around and raise money.
	We have a platform.
	We've got great Americans like Seb who let us talk about it.
	Nobody charges us anything.
	We raise all the money.
	It's now all encompassed under the Cash Foundation, by the way, 501c3.
	Nice!
	So Uncle Sam can't knock on your door anymore and say you didn't pay your taxes.
	Everything's fully deductible.
	Cash Foundation.
	Yeah, it's all encompassed under the fightwithcash.com.
	But literally, we actually, I don't know if I told you this, a month ago we filed a lawsuit for a young man who was excoriated by this left-wing radical outlet about January 6th.
	So we said, enough.
	We walked into court, we paid the attorneys, and we said, here's your defamation lawsuit for $20 million against this company.
	Go forth and conquer.
	And we're doing that around the country.
	And we're not taking a percentage.
	We're not asking for money back.
	We are going in there so you can clear your name.
	The price tag of clearing your name, Seth, is priceless.
	So fightwithcash.com.
	Any support you guys can give us is tremendous and greatly appreciated.
	Go forth and conquer.
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	So Cash, your family emigrated here.
	I'm a legal immigrant to the United States.
	You're an optimist and we can fix it?
	Can we make it?
	We have to.
	It's not a choice.
	Yes, that's the answer.
	It's just not.
	Talk to me about cancel culture of average citizens.
	Not just defamation.
	You have this service for conservative businesses.
	So, unlike Mike Lindell, you can't be cancelled by your bank because you're a conservative.
	It's patriots.us.
	It's payment processing.
	It protects conservatives.
	Will you just react to the libs of TikTok, Washington Post, Taylor Lorenz phenomena?
	These people, and I'm not talking about you being attacked or me being attacked.
	I'm talking about, you know, this orthodox Jewish woman with an account that just shows the left for who they are.
	Will you talk to us about The fact that it looks like the mainstream media has no morals at all.
	No, no, they don't.
	Well, first of all, the fact that this Taylor whatever person, her job title is Influencer Follower.
	I don't even, where do you go, what school gives that degree now?
	Which woke institution of higher education now says you can go be an influencer and of course CNN hires her, so.
	Influencer Follower.
	Follower, Influencer Follower.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	Influencer Follower.
	Stalker!
	So they go out and what do they do?
	And that's why we have to build a whole ecosystem right on our side.
	It's not just you've got to put in Rumble for YouTube.
	It's not just you've got to put in Truth Social for any sort of Twitter or what have you.
	It's the payment processing.
	Trump got shut down.
	Lindell got shut down.
	But mom and pop stores got shut down.
	Gone On Ours got shut down.
	they cannot survive because the banks have come in and they've said let me be clear for those of you who aren't following this um what he just said mike flynn's wife had her credit cards cancelled because she's General Flynn's wife.
	Not because she's, you know, bringing in, you know, coke to the country for, you know, Hunter Biden to snort, but because she's married to Mike Flynn.
	This is real in America!
	It's outrageous!
	And most business owners in America, they make enough to support their family for the year and that's it, right?
	So if you own a little store, a candy store, if you have an online t-shirt company, if you have a bank even, Whatever merchant you have, the payments need to be processed.
	It's not rocket science.
	And the banks have said no to conservatives.
	Well Patriots with a Y says yes to everyone.
	What service do you provide at Patriots.us with a Y?
	It's very simple.
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	You will not ever be cancelled.
	That's the whole point of Patriots.us.
	So if you're selling t-shirts that say 1776 and somebody's giving you a credit card, they can come through you?
	Yep, and your business will stay alive.
	And we will give you a rate that is very comparable, if not better, than the one you're paying.
	And you won't have to live over the threat of, am I going to get cancelled because I said this, or I went to this church, or I had this prayer session, or I support this gun store.
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	All right, you heard it there.
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	OK, last question.
	What is your message?
	Because this is three million people on radio plus all our video streams rumbled and the stuff we post on Truth Social and everywhere else.
	What is your message to those who, and God love them, you know, people who sit there and listen to us and enjoy it as they're driving the kids to school or picking up the groceries or walking the dog, but who aren't actively engaged in saving America?
	Do you have a message for them, Cash?
	Yeah, keep doing it and find 10 more people that aren't doing it.
	But get engaged.
	But get engaged.
	Do something that educates you the right way.
	Listen to this show.
	Get off CNN.
	But it's more than educating.
	My message is, it's like my wife who shocked me two months ago, who said, enough with the drag queen story out at the library.
	I'm going to run for public office.
	She hates politics.
	But she did it.
	No, but isn't that what we need?
	Like millions of people to do?
	We need so much more of that.
	We need what Loudoun County did.
	We need what the school teachers and the suburban wives did there against CRT.
	We need that to happen across the board.
	Whether it's run for local office, support a person who's running for local, you don't have to run yourself.
	But help somebody who is.
	You don't have to cut checks even, but go out there and march.
	Go out there and be a part of the movement.
	Otherwise, our kids are going to go to school and be taught things such as sexual orientation programs at the age of two and be told critical race theory is the right way forward.
	We can't have any of that.
	All right, I'm going to do something against my own interests, although you should go to SebGorkaStore.com right now and get all your merch.
	It's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-Store.com.
	But he promised it to me, and he's a guy who keeps his promises, and it's lovely and soft.
	I'm so delighted.
	My Fight With Cash hoodie!
	Go to FightWithCash.com because they need your support because we need to take back the Republic.

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