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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: CNN+ is already dead

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	Greetings, welcome dear friends to America First on the Salem News Channel with me your host Sebastian Gorka.
	We have some shocking news when it comes to who may be running for the Democrat presidential nomination for 2024.
	We have some Fascinating news from Florida, the latest broadside across the bowels of the woke Disney corporation.
	Then another agency, an agency which owns the largest building in the world, now embroiled in the original Russia gate scandal and a quasi declaration of war from Black Lives Matter.
	But first things first, there are Social media posts that, when you see them, you say, Dagnabbit.
	I wish I'd come up with that one.
	Good friend of the show, as I was walking out of our green room just a few moments ago, I saw her tweet this out and I immediately reposted it on Instagram as well.
	Monica Crowley, former spokesperson for the Treasury, wrote this just moments ago, I've had milk.
	That's lasted longer than CNN+.
	The schadenfreude is beyond control.
	CNN+, how much?
	Two, three hundred million dollars pumped into this new venture.
	A subscription service for CNN viewers to get exclusive content.
	Such as Chris Wallace, the resident Democrat at Fox who jumped ship.
	They've been functioning for less than a month.
	And today we've heard the news.
	I think it was the Wall Street Journal that broke it first.
	It has ceased to be like a parrot in a certain Monty Python sketch.
	It is now pushing up the daisies six foot under.
	How long will CNN itself survive?
	And what does Chris Wallace do next?
	Let's stay on the topic of fake news.
	I was on a British show early this morning at 7 a.m.
	to talk about an interview done with President Trump in Mar-a-Lago by somebody who has been on the record as calling himself a president of a friend of the president that's Piers Morgan formerly of CNN.
	I was asked to comment on this interview which is about to air because of the way it has been portrayed.
	So let's share with you the original promotion for this alleged blistering fiasco of an interview between my former boss and the British journalist Piers Morgan.
	Play cuts.
	Okay, Piers, I'm ready.
	I think I'm a very honest man.
	Much more honest than you, actually.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	It was a free and fair answer.
	You lost.
	Only a fool would think that.
	Do you think I'm a fool?
	I do now, yeah.
	With respect... Excuse me.
	Okay, with respect, never forgives the hard evidence.
	Excuse me.
	I don't think you're real.
	I realize that I'm not like you.
	I just have to... Let's finish up the interview.
	Turn the camera off.
	Very dishonest.
	So a heated selection of moments from an interview that went for more than an hour.
	And for those who aren't watching on our streaming service, at the end there is a cut which seems to imply that President Trump got up from the interview and stormed out.
	Well, what's the truth behind it?
	They actually recorded the audio.
	Yes, the president's press person, who has been a friend of this show, told the real story, the fact that it had been booked for 20 minutes.
	They went over by more than 40 minutes.
	He said, I've got one more question five times.
	And then the interview ended cordially without anybody storming out.
	Let's play for you, right one after each other, the audio cuts of the real nature of that interview.
	We have stupid people now running our country.
	The world is going to be blown to pieces.
	Thank you.
	We've done last question four times now.
	I feel like you're lying at this point.
	I just haven't asked you yet.
	You said last question four times.
	I think it's fine.
	It's fantastic in your opinion.
	I wanted to end with the only one.
	I just haven't asked about the only one.
	Go ahead.
	And then you have to be in the group.
	Have you had one before?
	I've had seven.
	This was my seventh.
	Which isn't that high a number, believe it or not.
	If somebody plays golf, I hear the record is 49.
	Did you buy a round of drinks in the bar afterwards?
	I don't know, but I would certainly have been happy to.
	But you don't drink?
	I don't drink, no.
	It is traditional.
	You buy a round.
	Did you do that?
	Probably happened.
	because they own the tribe.
	I'm sure it happened.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	That was a great interview.
	Thank you very much.
	I really appreciate it.
	And that's how the interview ended. - I did.
	Thank you very much.
	That was a great interview.
	Nobody storming out.
	Nobody standing up and ripping off their microphone.
	This is a case study in why the phrase fake news is more relevant than ever.
	If you want to know something about Piers Morgan, after the show, after we've finished in three hours time, go and watch his Disastrous interview on the Second Amendment with Ben Shapiro and then you'll understand how much this person embodies the fake news.
	At the beginning of that audio cut, what did you hear?
	You heard the president's press person say, what do you mean one more question?
	You've said that four times already.
	The president says, you're lying if you're saying one more question.
	Okay, okay, let me ask you about the hole-in-one.
	The president tells him about his recent hole-in-one and then about the round of drinks he bought everybody afterwards.
	And then, finally, the interview ends.
	Now, I know they have to sell the interview.
	I know they have to get people to tune in.
	But lying about what was said Well, that's what the media does today.
	That's who Piers Morgan is.
	Who, by the way, I found out this morning, has blocked me on Twitter.
	Piers, what are you afraid of?
	Why have you blocked me?
	Should a journalist be blocking anyone?
	I thought your job was to acquire information, not to shut down access to information.
	And when it comes to the substance of the interview, the pieces that you selected for that promo about the free and fair election and President Trump lost, this is all you need to know about the last election.
	Number one, a man who didn't campaign, a machine politician from Delaware who's been in the swamp for 47 years, That individual, an aged, mentally compromised old man, we are supposed to believe actually received more genuine votes than the first black president in America?
	First piece of damning empirical evidence.
	The second one is even more important from a psychological perspective.
	What has the left and the fake news told you for the four years of the Trump administration?
	Banner headlines, hour-long specials, Trump, the racist, the misogynist, the white supremacist, the Islamophobe, and then eventually the Nazi.
	If that's what you've been telling Democrats for four years, if you believe that a Nazi is in office, Why wouldn't you cheat?
	If I believed a fascist were running the country I were living in, I'd probably do that as well, to save the nation.
	If the cult that is the Democrat Party believed it for four years, that's all the evidence you need.
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	We'll be back after these messages.
	What's happening, Eric?
	Cut seven.
	So, um, let's get back to Eric Adams.
	This, this, this mayor who spews, who is a Democrat, but he spews conservative and Republican talking points.
	At the end of the day, we have a name for someone like this, and this is someone we'd call a coon, right?
	Because he's a black man and he's a white man in blackface and a very conservative minded white man.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Are you there, Matt?
	Yeah, can you hear me?
	Yeah, I did the whole monologue on Piers Morgan, so we'll have some fun.
	Oh, that's awesome, dude.
	We're having a lot of fun with this story.
	Good.
	He blocked me on Twitter.
	Piers blocked me.
	Well, I mean, the guy can't take the heat, clearly.
	Clearly.
	Yeah.
	Look, but the big picture here is, is like, okay, like, well, he clearly did this.
	He clearly deceptively edited this video.
	Again, not surprising.
	But like, why does Trump keep doing this?
	Like, you know what I mean?
	It's like, all right, at a certain point, it's like... Well, they were friends, allegedly.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	But like, but still, like, President Trump, they're gonna screw you.
	Stop giving them the opportunity to do it.
	But look what he did to them.
	That's true, that is true.
	There's a flip side of the coin.
	He recorded it!
	By the way, if you ask President Trump this question, I think you would get a really interesting answer.
	I think he would say something along the lines of, look, the reason why I continue to engage with these people is because I want to get my message out, but if they screw me, I'll screw them.
	And it's a good argument, right?
	Like and so it's a good argument, right?
	Like I get it.
	But like at the same time, you know, it's like just again.
	Here we go again.
	Of course the media's gonna screw you.
	Eric, can you play Cut 9?
	Cut 9, yes.
	Just one moment.
	Yep, alright.
	Even if you invest all this money in doing everything Republicans want—build out new fossil fuel pipelines, increase production—fossil fuel infrastructure is only going to get more expensive because it is not a sustainable supply of energy, period.
	There's not enough.
	And it's finite, and it's only going to be less.
	And so it's only going to get more expensive.
	I guess she thinks there's infinite sources of energy.
	There's, uh, yeah, I don't know.
	I've given up on trying to decipher AOC's lack of logic.
	Alright, standby, 60 seconds.
	Title for the monologue.
	Um.
	Piers Morgan.
	Piers Morgan is a liar.
	Piers Morgan is a liar.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	We've got Job Creator's Network here.
	I'll come in with a disclaimer.
	Stand by.
	You can unlock the phones if you're able to feel them.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Oh, that's what happened.
	I was confused.
	All right, stand by.
	All right.
	All right.
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	We'll be talking to their Washington bureau chief momentarily, Matt Boyle.
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	Let's talk about the fake news!
	Matt Boyle, is it more relevant than ever to use the President's phrase, fake news?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, look, today's quite a day for the fake news industrial complex, right?
	The CNN Plus is folding up.
	I mean, what are they, the last two Scaramoochies?
	23 days, right?
	Half a Scaramucci!
	I mean, a Scaramucci's not very big.
	Half a Scaramucci.
	It's 11 days.
	11 days is a Scaramucci, right?
	So, I think they lasted two Scaramuchis plus a day, right?
	So, 23 days.
	23 days and $300 million flushed down the toilet at CNN.
	What a glorious day.
	Hang on, can we just stop for a second?
	How do you spend three... I mean, not even Bezos could spend 300 million in three and a half weeks.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	Like, I don't know what they pissed it all away on, Dr. Gorga.
	I don't know if I'm allowed to say that.
	No, you're fine.
	What does Chris Wallace do now, Matt?
	I, heck if I know, I bet he's gonna try to get Cuomo a slot in primetime, right?
	But like, it's like, what a loser!
	He walked away from the biggest, most powerful Sunday news show, Fox News Sunday, to go there.
	By the way, he was always a loser at Fox too, but like, now at least he's open in public about being a loser instead of being hiding in the shadows like a snake in the grass.
	But like, the thing is, is like, good, like, expose them all and let their establishment institutions fail.
	And then look, here's the thing.
	So you've got that story, the CNN plus story, and then you've got this Piers Morgan craziness where like, I mean, this is the, this is deceptive editing on another level.
	I've never seen, I look, I've seen deceptive editing all the time.
	I'm sure you have.
	I see the establishment media do all sorts of crazy things to Republicans and great conservatives and interviews and whatever.
	I mean, this is like blatantly false, the way that Piers Morgan presents this whole thing.
	Look, so he did an hour and a 20-minute interview with President Trump.
	He puts together this 30-second clip to put it out ahead of the interview, a week ahead of the interview coming out, to try to hype it and get attention on his new show and all this stuff.
	And then we – so I call Trump's team.
	In the 30-second clip, he makes it look like Trump ripped his microphone off.
	Stood up, stormed out.
	Stormed out of the interview.
	And that's what all the media wrote up.
	They all wrote that claim that Trump stormed out of the interview.
	So I call up Trump's team, and I don't take the bait.
	I've seen this hoax play out too many times with the media and Trump.
	So I call up Trump's guys, and I'm like, guys, what really happened here?
	They're like, hang on, hold your powder, don't worry, stay back, be ready, we're gonna release the full audio of this thing later.
	And I was like, okay, I'll trust you guys.
	So then later that night they get us the audio, and I think they went to a few other places with it, I think NBC did a story on it too.
	So we get the full audio of the last seven and a half minutes of this hour and a half long interview.
	Nothing could be further from the truth than the way that Piers Morgan presented this.
	Yeah, we played it.
	It was cordial.
	At the end, Piers actually says, that was a great interview.
	At the end.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Look, Dr. G, I've been doing this for a long time, over a decade.
	I've seen a lot of fake news.
	Nothing this bad.
	This is top of the list.
	Piers Morgan is a disgrace to the institution of journalism.
	Fox News Channel News Corporation should be ashamed of hiring him and giving him a program.
	For him to do things like this on, they should be embarrassed throughout the entire company, and I hope that there's consequences for him.
	Now, I don't expect there to be, because the establishment media, whether we're talking about Fox News and News Corporation and those various properties, or we're talking about CNN and CNN Plus and all these other things, or we're talking about MSNBC or any of these places, there doesn't seem to be consequences for people like this.
	There should be for Piers Morgan on this.
	Yes.
	This was deceptive editing at its height.
	The seven-and-a-half-minute clip at the end of the interview shows Piers Morgan saying at least six times that this was his last question.
	Then he asked another one afterwards.
	Also, them ending the interview cordially.
	They talked about Trump's hole-in-one with Ernie Owls on the golf course.
	Then Piers Morgan says it was a great interview.
	They shake hands.
	It's over.
	It's very nice.
	Thanks, the president, for taking the time with him.
	And then Trump – that's when Trump gets up and then takes his microphone off and then says, turn the cameras off.
	That's a totally normal thing to do because maybe Trump wants to, you know, banter back and forth with Morgan off the record.
	Yeah, say something in private.
	Right.
	Whatever, that's totally normal.
	After he sat there for an hour and a half, by the way, it's also worth noting, Trump had only agreed to sit with Morgan for 20 minutes.
	20 minutes.
	An hour into the thing is when this seven and a half minute clip of the audio begins.
	That's what Trump's team gave us so far.
	And that's when Trump's team is like, all right, we gave you an hour.
	Wrap it up, buddy.
	Right?
	Like time to end this thing.
	So look, here's the deal.
	It's pretty clear.
	Morgan now is trying to use all the attention he's getting from this to air.
	He says he's now going to air the interview over two nights on the first two nights of his show on Monday and Tuesday next week.
	It's pretty clear that News Corporation is being used as a vessel to spread misinformation and fake news.
	Rupert Murdoch should be ashamed of himself in this instance.
	And frankly, I don't know if there's going to be consequences here, but this is a frankly very dishonest thing and I would imagine that he's going to super cut it all up and make it seem way worse than it is for Trump.
	when it airs that next week.
	And so Trump's team is fighting back.
	They're fighting back effectively.
	So good for Taylor Budowich, who's Trump's comms director.
	He's he's proving to be an effective fighter for President Trump.
	I remember, by the way, when I interviewed President Trump at Bedminster last year, and I think I came on your show.
	Yes, after I did it, the Taylor was sitting there in the room with me with President Trump when we did the interview.
	And he asked me what I think about Taylor.
	I've known Taylor for a really long time.
	He used to be the executive director of the Tea Party Express back in the day.
	I said to President Trump, I was like, it's one of the best hires you've ever made.
	And now Taylor's proving it over the course of this whole thing.
	He's proving how to fight back against these losers.
	But the other big thing is that I do hope that President Trump will learn from this and stop giving the establishment media Right.
	As much access as he does.
	We'll discuss that because in our break you actually talked about whether this is a smart strategy or not.
	There is a logic to it.
	We will discuss what that logic is.
	In the meantime, we're going to talk with Matt after the break.
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	So you knew Taylor before?
	Oh, I've known Taylor for 10 years, yeah.
	So, uh, he was, uh, him and Sarabian were... Yeah, mics are on.
	No, no, that's totally fine.
	So I don't mind saying this.
	So him and Sarabian worked on Tea Party Express back as far back as way back in the day.
	So I've known Taylor and Andy Sarabian going back to all those primaries back in like 2010, 2012, 2014, right?
	And so I'm trying to remember when I first met Taylor, but it was definitely by Mississippi in 2014. - So when did President Trump hire him? - This year, or last year.
	So he was working for Rick Grinnell for a while, and then he was working for Don Jr.
	for a while, and then President Trump hired him last year, away from Grinnell, I think.
	So what's his position?
	Is he in charge of press relations?
	Yeah, so he's the communications director for Save America PAC.
	So, yep.
	Solid guy, but I've known him forever.
	And so, you know, you know Andy, right?
	Like Sarabian.
	So Andy and I are very good friends.
	And so Andy and Taylor have been tied for years and years.
	I managed to convince, get this, I managed to convince Sarabian to come on Newsmax this week.
	The man who never does television.
	I guilted him so badly.
	I never do TV either, but I just did Nigel Farage's show in the UK just now.
	So I just did it an hour ago.
	Speaking of which, if you ever want me to come on, I'm happy to do it.
	I just got to plan ahead of time.
	Good, yeah, definitely.
	So that's for GB News?
	Yeah, for GB News.
	And Nigel did the whole 10-15 minutes opening of his show on the Piers Morgan thing.
	Because Nigel was at Mar-a-Lago and warned Trump about this.
	He gave Trump a dossier of all the things that Piers said that were nasty about him.
	And Trump apparently, during the interview with Piers Morgan, brought out the dossier that Nigel gave him and gave it to Piers!
	It's pretty incredible.
	Piers invited me on his show before he got fired about a year ago, wherever it was.
	Kept me waiting on the line for half an hour for his TV show and then never went to me and never apologized.
	That's who he is.
	Yeah, he's just a total loser.
	He's so full of himself, but like, it's just, again, it's like, why do we keep, look, I get it.
	You wanna try to get your message out in front of as many people as you can, but at the same time, it's like, these guys are gonna screw you, no matter what.
	Right.
	Well, that was my attitude in the White House.
	I didn't talk to them.
	On the record, off the record, on background, they could go to hell.
	Um, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, definitely.
	So, I mean, that's my view, but I get it that there are people that wanna get their message out, so.
	All right, can you play me cut four?
	Cut four.
	Yes.
	Take it.
	Look, Disney doesn't need me to defend them.
	They probably don't even want me to after I made that Splash Mountain joke.
	And I don't know, maybe no corporation should have self-governing privileges, but it's a bad sign when politicians start using their powers for retaliation.
	And purely from a political perspective, do you really think it's a smart move to go after Disney?
	Yeah, I hate when politicians go after private citizens.
	That's totally something that doesn't happen.
	No, never happens.
	How is that guy a comedian?
	I haven't seen him ever say something funny.
	I mean, not once.
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	Before we shift topics with our special guest, Matt Boyle, Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart, let's stay on the Piers Morgan thing for just one more minute.
	Yeah.
	You would say to the president, don't do interviews with fake news.
	What do you respond to those who say, look, yes, they distort.
	Yes, they're liars.
	But if you record the audio, you catch them in a trap and you show them up for who they are.
	Is that not worth it?
	Well, there's definitely an argument to be made that, you know, in this case it works out because Morgan was so deceptive and over the top with it that it's backfiring on him.
	But look, I wouldn't even say no interviews either.
	I would just say keep it tight, right?
	And keep them focused, right?
	And on point.
	When you are in that situation for an hour and a half, They're going to do anything they can to pull the little... Look, he sat with Trump for an hour and a half and we got 30 seconds.
	And that dominated the headlines across the planet.
	Tabloids from London to here to all over the internet were running with Trump storms out of interview, but that's not true.
	But that's the headline that came away from it.
	Now look, the Trump team has done a great job fighting back against this one.
	But again, here's the thing, is that I think if you're gonna do it, keep it very limited and very focused and on point, tight on time, 15 minutes, 10 minutes.
	I've been in plenty of interviews where they'll only give me 10 minutes or 15 minutes with somebody, and okay, fine, right?
	Maybe I can get a few good questions in with somebody on something.
	But again, I think the learning Well, no.
	is that these establishment media people are never gonna give you a fair shake, Mr. President.
	And they are going to try to hurt you any chance they can.
	Any time or anything you give them, they can and will use it against you, right?
	So you have the right to remain silent. - I know, you should Mirandize yourself because they're not interested in the truth.
	They have an agenda to destroy you.
	Okay, big news of the day.
	Gotta get your reaction as Mr. Politics of Brian Barth.
	Not only has Hillary Clinton reopened the Clinton Global Initiatives Foundation, talking about possibly running, people are talking about Mayor Pete, now we've got Bernie Sanders saying He's ready to get back in the ring.
	Can we be so lucky to see all of these old has-beens run, Matt?
	I mean, do they really believe that they should run?
	Come one, come all, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, get ready for the greatest show on earth, right?
	I mean, I hope to gosh they all run, right?
	That would be the greatest thing ever.
	That would be a fantastic disaster, a beautiful mess, right?
	Look, but I think it just goes to show you just how weak the loser in chief is, right?
	I mean we have a loser president right now.
	He's a trash president.
	He's a total loser.
	He's a total failure.
	He's failed in every respect on every single issue.
	There's no thing that Joe Biden has succeeded on.
	Even bad politicians usually have one or two things that they've succeeded on.
	There's nothing for Joe Biden's.
	Zero successes, promises made, none delivered.
	That's his message, right?
	So he promised that he was going to get us back to normal.
	He didn't do anything.
	He's failed in every respect.
	By the way, the judge in Florida lifts the mask mandate on planes and tries to give Joe Biden a win.
	All he had to do was just sit there and take the win from the judge in Florida, and now Joe Biden's trying to appeal that.
	Like, what is wrong with this loser in chief, this trash president?
	So I think that all of these people, Buttigieg, Bernie, Warren, Kamala, the rest of them, they're all looking at this trash president and saying, hey, you know what, I can beat that guy.
	Or, you know, I could be the next president.
	So that's the thing.
	Every single one of them would be superb for conservatives, for the MAGA movement, for America First.
	But please, please make it Hillary, because I need to see President Trump destroy her again.
	I like the moniker, however, Loser in Chief.
	That is sadly the correct moniker for the last 15 months and the current incumbent.
	Thank you.
	Let's post your article right now on the quintessential fake news interview that was Piers Morgan's with President Trump.
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	Hello, Dr. G. Hey, greetings.
	Yeah, the mics are live on our video feed.
	All right, good picture.
	Can you give us a sound check?
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	All right.
	I can mention the Federalist National Pulse Daily Wire, but is there an affiliation you'd like me to use to introduce you?
	Just president of Education First Alliance and National Education Group.
	Okay.
	And then what's the name of this company that you've been talking about that is working with Disney in the schools?
	Pearson Education.
	It is the world's largest textbook provider.
	Pearson.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	Well, you come highly recommended.
	So when my wife tells me to get somebody on the show, we usually do.
	Oh, if only I could train my husband as well to take my advice.
	It took her 26 years.
	All right, stand by 40 seconds.
	I only have 10 more to go.
	you've got 30 seconds standby bye bye
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	Would you like to control your own little fiefdom in America with your own police departments, with tax-exempt status, controlling your own public services?
	Doesn't that sound great?
	Well, there's one company that has those privileges, but maybe for not much longer.
	We will discuss that momentarily.
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	So the organization, the corporation I was talking about was Disney in Florida that runs this kind of special self-governed territory that does whatever it wants with its own police departments and tax-free status.
	That's coming to an end because the Florida Senate led by Republicans and the governor have had enough.
	But it's more than just special status.
	It is what they are doing to our children in our schools and on media.
	I am delighted to have with us somebody who my wife calls an absolute warrior fighting for America's children.
	She is the president of the Education First Alliance and the National Education Group.
	Sloane Rackmuth, welcome to America First.
	Thank you, Dr. G. Happy to be here.
	All right, so tell us, I don't think this is a story that is well understood.
	What is Disney's involvement with this company you mentioned in the break called Pearson Education, and what are they peddling to American children?
	Pearson Education is the world's largest education provider of textbooks, digital learning products, and they're actually a partner of Disney.
	So two years ago, Pearson was looking for a CEO and they went to Disney and got the president, the chairman really, of Disney International and brought him over to Pearson.
	And right immediately following that, I mean, within a couple of months, Pearson issued this decree that, hey, we're going to essentially queer all of our agenda.
	And what really that means for them is they're going to introduce these concepts of gender fluidity, In through all of their education products, exactly in the way that Disney, um, with that virtual town hall said that they were going to do in their parks.
	Well, here's what happened.
	Uh, this, this company Pearson, by the way, look at the math books, look at all the books that have been rejected by Florida.
	A lot of those are Pearson or Pearson subsidiary books.
	So Pearson teams up with a, an organization called Gender Spectrum.
	And Gender Spectrum is responsible for almost all of the gender support plans that we see across the country.
	Let me tell you what those are.
	These are plans that schools are using now that are evaluating whether or not parents can be trusted to know that their child has decided to change genders.
	And a lot of times, this decision is being kept behind the backs of parents, and it goes one step further, these plans.
	These plans also Make it so that schools will choose an adult partner that is not the parent to spirit these children through these social gender changes.
	Without the knowledge of the parents, correct?
	100% and that's what makes it so odious.
	And what makes it terrifying is that this is, and I want to underscore this, The world's biggest education provider has been Disney-fied, if you will.
	So what can we do about it?
	Florida's taking action.
	I see a huge percentage of the books were deemed inadmissible by the authorities.
	They weren't about the things they were meant to be about.
	They injected politics and ideology.
	How does America outside of Florida have to react?
	What are you doing?
	Talk to us about your organization, the responsibility of the millions of people who are listening to you right now on this show.
	Well, I want to tell you, I want to tell everybody it's working.
	We've got huge successes here in North Carolina, for instance, our second largest school district, Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools, which has the third gender support plan that we came up with and discovered.
	He's been fired.
	That was a shot across the bow in this state.
	And it was because of the action of parents.
	Now, here, we are investigative journalists.
	That's kind of our bread and butter.
	So we expose And, um, you know, other groups like Moms for Liberty and our other partners in this, they are on the ground and they make things happen.
	So it is a, it's incumbent upon all of us to expose.
	Evidence is king.
	So when we present evidence, when we present stories like this, um, it enables parents all across this nation to go looking for what's going on.
	We know of at least seven states today.
	That because of our reporting two days ago, are looking into every Pearson product, whether it's digital, which they're big on now, which is hard to find what's going on in the digital world, and textbooks.
	So there are teams across this country right now that are looking through all of these resources to try to pull out this indoctrination that we know is there.
	All right, I think we've just scratched the surface here.
	I think Mr. G, who I know is listening, we have to get this lady back for one of our long discussions, one-on-one, because I think most Americans and most parents, most grandparents have no idea what's going on.
	In the meantime, Educate Yourself.
	Go to her website.
	Go to her Twitter feed.
	It is Sloan R-A-C-H-M-U-T-H on Twitter.
	And then her organization Education First Alliance is edfirstnc.org.
	So write this down guys.
	As it says on her bookshelf behind her.
	Wake up!
	Say a prayer and hustle!
	It's time to hustle!
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	Oh sorry.
	President Trump busted Piers Morgan.
	Rackmuth Disney's latest evil plan.
	Can Team MAGA destroy the Rhinos?
	we've had her on before for one-on-one haven't we
	we'll be back with rachel after these messages you
	I believe it.
	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Happy birthday to Elizabeth Regina II.
	That is the Queen of Great Britain.
	96 today.
	Nicely done.
	That's a good innings.
	Happy birthday, Your Majesty.
	We haven't had any calls.
	Is it time for some calls?
	Yes!
	Let's go to David, California, line 2.
	Welcome to America First.
	Oh, thank you, Sebastian.
	Listen, I am reading your book, The War for America's Soul.
	Let me preface this by saying, I was—oh, thank you for being such a good patriot and loving our country.
	I love you for that.
	I was blessed to be born in America.
	I got to the part in the book where your mother and father crawled to freedom through a minefield, and it shuddered me.
	The beginning of the book was a good read, and the information was informative but scary.
	And you know, I'm so tired of the people who have the basic freedoms that they're born with in this country stepping on.
	When I watch the politicians who take for granted every single day the freedoms that they want to squash, I don't understand it.
	So I guess my question to you is, what in the hell are we going to wake these people up with?
	What are we going to say?
	I try to talk to people all the time about Being born in America gives you the ultimate freedom.
	I didn't even have a high school education and wound up, I'm 80 years old, I wound up owning my own business and making a decent living.
	And when I read that piece in your book, I couldn't believe the heroism Well, thank you kindly.
	It's the part of the book that everybody wants to talk about, and it's hard to appreciate for those who are born in freedom.
	We just wake them up with the truth.
	We talk to them about what's happening to the children.
	We talk to them about what's happening with the fentanyl deaths, the border, the drug smuggling, Human trafficking, the price of lack of American leadership around the world.
	So if we cleave to the truth, more and more people will wake up, but it's up to us.
	Thank you so much for your kind, kind comments, David.
	It's Thursday, I do believe, which means it's Antoinette!
	Antoinette, welcome to America First.
	Thank you so much, Dr. G. A couple things quickly.
	What Sloan was saying, The Santa Ana Planned Parenthood was shut down, and I would admit, we made a mistake.
	And guess what they did?
	They changed the clinic for gender changing.
	And one of the young boys came up to us, because we'd been noticing some more activity, so they changed it.
	From the abortions there, now they're doing gender change.
	Wow.
	The Santa Ana Planned Parenthood.
	It was sickening.
	From one diabolical activity to another, Antoinette.
	I know, it's horrible.
	So, but the update for the group.
	Yeah, we've got 30 seconds, quickly give us an update, Voice of the Voiceless.
	It was wonderful, the rally in Sacramento.
	Of course, they never advertised what we did, but we fought our best up there.
	Even my pastor, Pastor Joe from the Calvary Church here in Huntington Harbor, he was there.
	Other pastors, Jack Hibbs from Chino Hills.
	Don't forget about our car rally, a week from this Saturday, April the 30th, at Dana Point Beach.
	Be there.
	God bless you, Antoinette.
	That's our regular Thursday update.
	This is America First.
	Next, Kash Patel here on the Salem News Network. The Salem News Kash Patel here on the Salem News Network. The Salem News
	Network. The Salem
	News Network.
	The Salem News Network.
	The Salem News I'm going to play that Instagram thing.
	Can you play me Cuts?
	oh no um coming with six yeah
	oh no
	hi this is president trump and sebastian is really a friend of mine he He's a great guy.
	He's been with me from the beginning.
	Listen to him.
	We all learn.
	Now of course we're going to do whatever is regulatory required, but we can't have a patchwork of restrictions.
	We've got to do something that makes sense.
	And right now, we can't have our team members be in forces.
	We need to get them back to servicing.
	So I'm glad that the mask mandate is down.
	American Airlines CEO saying, we are glad the mask mandate is over, is down.
	But not if you ask the Biden administration.
	The CDC is apparently going to appeal it.
	I guess they've lost all common sense.
	Can you imagine what's going to happen if people are asked to put their masks back on?
	Please, please do it.
	Okay, we will be joined by Kash Patel momentarily.
	Ken Blackwell will be with us as well.
	Your calls, don't forget.
	We need you to sound off 833-33-GORKA on the big stories of the day.
	Whether it's mask mandates, Disney, what's happening in Florida, the number is 833-334-6752.
	But first, there is a lady On Instagram she goes by TheIsabelBrown and she popped up her reel which is these short videos popped up on my feed today and we're going to play you just what she says in this 20-30 second clip to illustrate the power of one.
	Nobody's really dissected how we lost the masks and it's really quite stunning.
	Play cut.
	I just want to remind everyone that quite literally, all it took...
	All it took for TSA, for the White House, for every major airline, for Uber, to come forward and immediately say, yeah, okay, we're done doing that.
	We're done kicking you off planes.
	We're done banning you from Uber rides.
	We're done screaming at you about how you're killing grandmas, and you're right, it probably is unconstitutional.
	To immediately back down and end these mask mandates, all it took was one human being.
	One judge.
	One person.
	To stand up and say this is unconstitutional to force people to wear this thing on their face.
	How it took us more than two years to arrive to this time blows my mind.
	Massively significant point.
	Massively significant point.
	Oh, we have calls coming in.
	We'll get to your calls momentarily.
	But just let's stop and focus on this for a second.
	What have we been through for two years?
	We've been through a forced masking.
	That's just part of it.
	We've been through the voluntary shutdown of our whole economy, except for the big boys, right?
	Amazon gets to keep doing what it wants it to do.
	But normal businesses, the lifeblood of America, shut down.
	We have restrictions on travel.
	President Trump shut down the border, used CDC powers, Title 42 and others.
	We had something that we'd never seen before.
	The whole globe sequester itself.
	Schools closed.
	People not getting treatment for serious ailments for cancer because of the coronavirus.
	That happened everywhere, with the odd exception.
	Countries like Sweden that said, this is overkill, this is too much.
	But almost everywhere else said, no, that's it, shut it all down!
	What did we do?
	Here and there, a few of us said, no, you're not doing that.
	We came to work every single day.
	I didn't wear a mask.
	My colleagues didn't wear masks.
	The odd restaurant owner in California, the odd bar owner or gym owner in New Jersey said, no, I'm not doing it.
	But it was, of course, the rare exception.
	And we lived like that for two years.
	Yes, we'll get to your calls momentarily.
	Hang in there guys.
	Hang in there guys.
	But then, how did it end?
	We were so used to it.
	The stupid Uber Central Control.
	If you forgot to wear your mask the next time you ordered a ride, they'd say, hey, on the app, take a photograph of yourself wearing a mask before you're allowed back into our cars.
	Everybody, private companies, the government, TSA, were in on it.
	One judge.
	One young female judge, appointed by President Trump, says, no, sorry, it's unconstitutional.
	This federal agency has no right to do that to healthy people and strikes down the mandate.
	Now usually when that occurs, there's a variegated, there's a multifaceted, various different shades of response.
	Some people abide by it, others don't.
	And often it's ignored by leftists.
	What happened this time?
	Almost instantly, TSA The post 9-11 transportation security authority says, oh, oh, in that case, we're not going to demand that you wear a mask at the airport.
	At the same time, what happened?
	You've seen the viral videos.
	We played several of them.
	Captains came on the intercom, announced to the passengers, Before they took off, halfway through the flight, we've just heard the mask mandate has been struck down.
	You can remove your mask.
	Cheering, singing, stewards and stewardesses celebrating, walking down the aisle with a big trash bag saying, here you go, chuck it in here, put your mask in here, we're all free.
	That's stunning.
	Because a TSA belongs to the federal government.
	Not even Biden or whoever's running the country.
	Not even Susan Rice or the Cackler or whoever it is.
	Ron Kline, the Squad, Nancy.
	Not even the establishment.
	could stop it.
	How did that occur?
	Somebody, a decent investigative journalist, I don't know, Margot Cleveland, somebody from the Federalist, Molly Hemingway, somebody from the Daily Caller, Margaret Olihan.
	Find out how the TSA went against their boss, went against the White House and said, okay, that's it, we're done.
	One judge has said it.
	Now what's the broader point here?
	You're not a federal judge.
	I'm not a federal judge.
	But think of the power of one person.
	Doesn't have to be somebody famous, powerful, with a fancy title or a very impressive business card.
	Do you remember Tank Man?
	Tiananmen Square.
	As the Chinese Communist Party was clamping down on the democracy protesters, the people who built that Statue of Liberty out of polystyrene, out of plastic on Tiananmen Square, to resist the Communist Party in Beijing.
	He stood there.
	Very slim, slender chap in his short-sleeved shirts with his two plastic carrier bags of groceries.
	And he stood there upright in front of the gun barrel of that main battle tank.
	There's nobody behind him.
	He didn't have a horde of revolutionaries armed with shotguns and pickaxe handles.
	One man.
	One man who has become a symbol for the world.
	A symbol for all of those oppressed in China, in Hong Kong.
	A human being who is, by themselves, a human catalyst for others.
	Far too many of us gave in.
	Far too many of us genuflected at the altar of Fauci, the I am science man.
	But along comes one woman who says, no, not today.
	And the emperor is shown to be naked.
	The house of cards crumbles onto the ash heap of history.
	So the lesson of all of this is the following.
	You can make a difference.
	One person has the power to be a catalyst for others.
	God bless that judge.
	God bless the bag man.
	God bless all of those who have the requisite courage.
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	All right, I'll dial him up about two minutes out.
	I'm going to run back over there and get something else.
	What was that call about?
	That was about the fertilizer, the like phosphates.
	He's still on the line.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Something about like an embargo on U.S.
	fertilizer.
	Yeah.
	So we took we took those.
	I was talking to somebody about that who was.
	I'm listening.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	It's Biden took all the Uh, stuff that you need to put into fertilizer and grow food.
	Uh-huh.
	Off of our, like, list of important, you know, uh, minerals that we need.
	It was like a list of minerals that we need.
	Can you even do that?
	Yeah, he took them off in, like, February.
	American companies.
	And it's like, oh, no, that's just only food.
	So, yeah, it's something that no one's talked about.
	I talked to one guy on it.
	He was really, really, really good.
	It was at a dinner.
	I sure didn't hear about that.
	Oh, yeah.
	That blows my mind.
	Our mineral rights situation in the United States is really screwed in a lot of ways.
	Geez.
	You know Obama's with the emergency oil reserves?
	He said it probably is going to work in reducing gas prices.
	Like he says gas prices in the area have been noticeably going down, but he thinks at the end of the day that's not going to save Biden because broader inflation, which affects everything, there's literally nothing he can do to stop that.
	I've heard back and forth on that, and I think it's more likely than not.
	on rubble.
	Yeah, yeah, I know.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	But he was saying, like, there's nothing, even lefty economists are saying that nothing's going to stop this inflation anytime soon.
	Larry Summers just the other day said a recession will happen by the end of 2023.
	I mean, I've heard back and forth on that, and I think it's more likely than not.
	I just got a really interesting text from my friend.
	Uh-huh.
	Who was on, I believe this is Bumble?
	Uh, yeah.
	He played Ultimate Frisbee and they have a Star Wars logo, the Republic logo, on their uniforms.
	And somebody, some girl asked if, uh, the Republic logo with the Capitol building.
	I just want to know if it's a red flag.
	And he responded, oh yeah, the one from January 6th.
	I was there.
	It was great.
	There's a picture of me on the podium.
	Nice.
	Alright, let me go ahead and dial up Mr. Cash.
	Skype channel one.
	90 seconds.
	We seem to have him.
	Let him know the mic's alive.
	Oh, it's Sonic.
	Is that gonna stabilize that picture?
	Hey!
	Can you hear me, Cash?
	Hello!
	There we go.
	Hey.
	I got you loud and clear.
	Good, good, good.
	A new t-shirt.
	My gosh.
	It's Mr. Merch.
	I'm trying to keep up with Seb.
	It's hard.
	Don't even try.
	Don't even try.
	Have you been following this thing about DARPA?
	Say again?
	On my end, when I talk, I hear an echo on your end.
	Can we fix that?
	Talk again, Cash.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I was just saying on my end... Is it bad?
	Okay, it's good now.
	Okay, good.
	All right, stand by.
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	Although, your setup doesn't look too shabby either.
	Cash, let's just jump in right there.
	I was promoting the film from Dinesh, which is amazing.
	Is this story...
	We're so vested in it.
	We're so in it.
	You're a fighter.
	We've been talking about this for years now.
	Is this something that can be ignored?
	When the average American sees the footage of somebody at 3 a.m.
	trying to shove a bag of ballots into a Zuckerbox, Zuckerbox, Zuckerberg box, in a state where ballot harvesting is illegal, maybe I'm naive, but I don't think the DNC and the legacy media can ignore this, or am I wrong?
	Ugh, Seb, I mean, you know, when it comes to the mainstream media circus show, they tend to ignore the things that are more and more truthful every day that they were wrong about for the last four or five years.
	This election fraud film is just another example, be it Russiagate impeachment fiasco, what have you.
	Insert your subject matter John Durham of the day.
	And they run away from it for so long that when you actually present them with evidence of incontrovertible truth, they'll just call you a liar and try to move on to the next story.
	And plus, you and I know this.
	We'll cover it.
	You'll cover it.
	They won't talk about it because it doesn't help their narrative and it doesn't help them in the midterms.
	But I think we use that all to our advantage to say we've got to go out there and win so big that we bury the mainstream media.
	And when it comes to election fraud in general, you know the criminal mentality.
	You've been a national security prosecutor for the federal government.
	You've tried terrorism cases.
	When a criminal gets away with it, They usually don't stop.
	So if they got away with half a million, at least half a million fraudulent ballots last year, why would the DNC do anything different?
	If it was 400 million from Zuckerberg last time, what's to say it's not going to be 2 billion in dark money this year?
	No, you're totally right.
	And the fact that most of these people didn't get caught is actual, is a true statement that they'll probably do it again.
	But here's the other thing I learned as my time as a prosecutor and public defender.
	Even the ones that get caught double down and do it again, especially when they have the backing of Zuckerbugs and the Democrats' endless pocketbook to pay them off to do this dirty work, be it in the voting sector or be it in the intelligence community or at the White House or in the media.
	They will not stop.
	And that's what we have to counteract by going out there and destroying their narrative with truths, with visualizations, with things that they can't say, oh, that's fake, fake news.
	And a video is about as good as it gets.
	Yeah, it's shocking.
	We've seen the evidence, geolocation stuff that you can commercially buy.
	They bought the geolocated cell phone data from around those drug boxes and they've got it bang to rights.
	Cash, we'll talk about fightwithcash.com, what you're doing to fight defamation.
	The legacy mainstream media.
	But you have this service of patriot.us which is this transaction processing service for conservative businesses that don't want to get cancelled.
	Let's talk about that whole environment for a second.
	Let's talk about big tech and so forth.
	I've got to ask your opinion because it's been the news of the last two weeks.
	Elon Musk Is this a flash in the pan?
	Is this just fun for us to watch a disruptor?
	Or given your experience in the swamp, could this actually be a significant event?
	I think it's the latter.
	I think the mainstream media and the Democrats are threatened by Elon Musk.
	And for a guy who's biased, and finally on social media, I'm on Truth Social at Cash, and finally cranking out trying to be like the Seb Gorkas of the world.
	What we created over at Truth Social was an ecosystem where Twitter Doesn't have to exist, because we will allow anyone on to say anything as long as it's lawful.
	Now, Elon Musk goes out there and makes this play, which I believe is more than just a media grab, to right the Twitter ship.
	And it's the best advertising that Truth Social could have ever gotten, and the media thought it was just a flash-in-the-pants deal, but then he goes out and secures $48 billion in financing.
	I mean, what happens if this guy actually buys Twitter?
	They will literally implode, and Elon Musk isn't one of those iconic MAGA figures.
	That's why they're so threatened.
	He has such a following, and he has the largest company on planet Earth, and literally in space.
	So this guy gets attention, and he moves the markets, and they and Wall Street are terrified.
	How fascinating.
	Do you agree with me that it's fascinating to see individuals like Elon, like Joe Rogan, like JB Peterson, who have been apolitical for years, in the last six months, get more and more spicy and political?
	Doesn't that mean that something's changing?
	You're totally right.
	And I've been highlighting that to my friends.
	I said, look, these guys who are apolitical figures, the Joe Rogans of the world, the Elon Musk of the world, and others.
	They stay out of it because they try to just go out there and report on things, be businessmen, and speak the truth.
	But even they can't run away from it.
	Look, Bill Maher can't run away from it.
	This guy is calling out his own establishment for their insanity, for their hypocrisy.
	And when that starts to happen, when you couple Bill Maher, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk in the same sentence, when it comes to social media and big tech and liberal insanity, the tide has turned, my friend.
	What a great metric.
	You can tell he was a prosecutor, simply that statement.
	When you can talk about Rogan, Peterson, Musk in the same sentence.
	I'm sorry, it's undeniable something's happening.
	We're going to talk about fighting with cash next here on America First, wherever you are, whatever you're doing.
	Don't you dare touch that dial.
	All right, mics are still hot on the video feed.
	Have you seen this story about Russiagate involving DARPA cash?
	I did.
	I looked at it a little bit.
	It's interesting.
	It's hard.
	It needs to be written a little bit more clearly for the average reader, because it's kind of in the weeds.
	I think the bottom line is just this.
	DARPA said they didn't have anything to do with the Mueller investigation, and now, wait.
	They do.
	Right.
	So another government agency was involved in political shenanigans.
	So it does need to be developed out more.
	It's interesting, though.
	All right.
	We'll mention it.
	But I think the latest Durham stuff is gold.
	Which one?
	So there were 16 filings in the last two days.
	What's the most important thing?
	Friday night, Durham dropped his monster paper.
	Couple of things.
	One, Clinton World has entered the trial.
	Robby Mook's lawyer, John Podesta's lawyer, Mark Elias' lawyers have all submitted declarations.
	They're basically all firing at Sussman, saying, we're going to hide behind attorney-client privilege, but this guy Michael Sussman's on his own island.
	And John Durham's come in over the top and said the CIA and the FBI knew in 2016 and 2017 that the Alpha Bank stuff was bogus.
	Right.
	We knew that, but now John Durham said it in federal court, and they are running scared because they're trying to hide behind privilege.
	They're not saying we didn't do it.
	They're not saying the evidence is bogus that John Durham has.
	They're just saying you can't see it, America, and it's led by Fusion GPS.
	Is that going to work?
	No.
	Because there's a crime fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege.
	Right.
	Plus, these guys have run around town for the last five years divulging attorney-client privileged information.
	So, it's a Hail Mary.
	It ain't working.
	Exciting.
	Are you going to be in the swamp any time soon?
	I'm back for a week right now.
	I'm back for about six days right now.
	now.
	OK.
	And then I'm actually going down to Mike Flynn's event Are you gonna be down there?
	May?
	I'm not.
	They just told me about it, but I haven't planned.
	Okay.
	Who's the host there?
	I think Flynn is.
	I think he does these events around the country now.
	All right, we'll talk about the filings and I've got a media question first.
	Okay.
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	We are back with Kash Patel, freedom fighter extraordinaire.
	Got to talk about the latest filings in the Durham-Russiagate hoax investigation.
	But first, since you're fighting the good fight against defamation by the mainstream media with your FightWithKash.com organization, a quick reaction because we opened the show with it, the Piers Morgan interview with President Trump.
	It was edited.
	They lied about it.
	He didn't storm out wisely.
	Mar-a-Lago recorded the whole audio, released it, and said, this is just a cut-and-paste fraud.
	What's your policy?
	When I was in the White House, I didn't talk on record, off record, on background to these scum.
	Should the president just ignore these people like Piers Morgan?
	Yeah, and look, the president, as you know, Seb, when you were working so high up in the White House with him, you know, tries to go out there and put his best foot forward to all people in the media because he wants to get the correct information out.
	Now, that works when you have a media with journalistic integrity.
	It doesn't work when you have people who are willing to cut and paste, which never used to happen in the media, who used to edit over, voice over, who used to insert words and take things out of context, a la Adam Schiff.
	And basically print a narrative that's false.
	It doesn't tell the story of the interview.
	It just tells a false narrative that they want to push, which is political and make President Trump look bad.
	So I don't think he should take those interviews anymore.
	You know, I've told him that in the past.
	It's a waste.
	All they want to do is hurt you and hurt the movement that you've created and the policies that you've set forth at work.
	So I think those should just stop.
	Interesting.
	That's exactly what Matt Boyle, the Washington bureau chief for Breitbart, said in the last hour.
	Okay, let's switch gears.
	In the break you talked about the more than a dozen new filings in the Durham case.
	Not a good sign for the Clinton crime cartel trying to use client-lawyer privilege.
	Why is it not going to work and how worried do you think they really are, Cash?
	Oh, Clinton crime cartel, I love it.
	I'm stealing that, Sam.
	So, basically, my time as a former federal public defender and prosecutor, as you get closer to trial, the more and more pleadings that the defense files, the more scared they generally tend to be.
	And they put 16 forward in one day yesterday.
	John Durham comes in on Friday night of Easter and says, my case is so good, I have so much evidence to show materiality of Michael Sussman's lie, that he forces Robbie Mook, John Podesta, Fusion GPS and Mark Elias to come in over the top.
	They're not even indicted in the case yet.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	Who are these people?
	Explain, describe.
	You know, for nobody, for those who don't know who Mook or Mark Elias are, these are the operators for the Clinton cartel, correct?
	They are!
	They are the bagman for the Clinton crime cartel.
	Mook and Podesta ran Hillary Clinton's campaign for president in 2016.
	Mark Elias is the head lawyer.
	Sussman's partner at Perkins Coie that perpetuated the Steele dossier and Alphabank fraud.
	And Fusion GPS, of course.
	They are the crooks that hired Christopher Steele, got paid by the DNC and Hillary campaign $10 million to write that fiction of a Steele dossier.
	Now, you have all of those characters By their lawyers asking a federal judge to please let them in the case so they could basically say, nothing to see here on our end.
	It's all attorney-client privilege, judge.
	All the information you want to see that John Durham wants you to see should not be shown to you because of procedure.
	It will fail because they've peddled attorney-client privilege around the swamp for five years.
	And oh, by the way, there's a crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege.
	And John Durham is saying, Michael Sussman said, You John Durham have indicted me and there's no materiality to my lie.
	John Durham goes, yeah, there is.
	It's in your emails.
	It's in your emails to Fusion.
	It's in your emails to Podesta, to Mook, to Mark Elias.
	And now I'm going to show the world that information.
	And they're cooked.
	Don't mess with this guy and don't try and use client-attorney privilege when you're a criminal because it doesn't work.
	You can't use it if you're attorney and you're also guilty as hell.
	It is fightwithcash.com.
	It is It's patriots.us with a Y. Check them both out.
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	Ambassador, former Ohio State Treasurer, Secretary of State, affiliations with all the good organizations, now the America First Policy Institute, he is Ambassador Ken Blackwell.
	Ken, welcome back to America First.
	Dr. Borger, always good to be with you.
	All right, so we have so much to discuss.
	I want to talk about this amazing new site, freedomsquared.com, that both of us are so honored to be involved with.
	But first, if I may, because I know you're personally affected, I'm looking at your Twitter feed, Ken Blackwell, and you have several posts about what Clarence Thomas is undergoing, how he's being attacked.
	whilst he's sick through his wife Ginny Thomas.
	I thought the Democrats, after the first high-tech lynching of this man because he dares to be a black conservative, wouldn't do it again.
	But it seems that I was wrong.
	Let me just tell you, when you think they've gone as low as they could possibly go, they take it down a notch or two.
	But you know, Clarence and I were raised by and in working-class families, and we were anchored in God's Word.
	But our grandfathers and grandmothers and fathers used to have things that we can
	You've now to guide us through the trials and tribulations of life and one of the things that I know that Clarence and I have shared is an old saying that dogs don't bark at parked cars and the howling dogs of the left you know continue to howl and growl at Clarence Thomas because he is a he is a champion of constitutional liberty and he in fact understands
	The brilliance of our system was founded in the realization by the founders and the framers of the Constitution and the writers of the Declaration of Independence, is that our freedom, our human rights, are not grants from government.
	They're gifts from God.
	And he, in fact, understands the brilliance of the Constitution with it.
	It put a harness on the reach and influence of government in our lives, because at the foundation of what we're all about was founded in what Aristotle said.
	There's a direct tension between the muscularity of government, more powerful, central human liberty.
	So our Constitution places a real harness On the reach and power of government and statists, socialists, communists, Marxists, they hate that, because they want the unbridled power of the central government, and they don't care if it tramples on individual freedom and liberty.
	And Clarence Thomas is a direct threat to their backwards, statist way of looking at the world.
	Yes, it's very simple.
	It's not quite as elegant as the Greek philosophers, but it's very simple.
	Big government, bigger government means smaller citizen.
	Ambassador Blackwell, before we talk about Freedom Square, very quickly, do you think events like this, the assault on Ginny Thomas, the attacks on Clarence Thomas, what we're seeing with the transgender agenda, the workification of corporations like Disney, are you hopeful that Americans who were formerly apolitical are waking up Absolutely.
	You know, Thomas Paine said it best.
	Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting and defending it.
	And yes, I think Americans all across this country are waking up.
	They understand the existential threat to our human dignity and our freedom, and they resent the attack on the Thomases.
	All right, let's talk about this new initiative, freedomsquare.com, when you and I were approached and explained this idea, a digital Commonwealth for Patriots.
	I was kind of shocked, Ken, because I thought to myself, how on earth has somebody not thought of this before?
	Your reaction?
	Yeah, well look, it is a digital commonwealth that connects, that unites, that empowers those of us who understand that in 246 years, this is an exceptional country in all of human history, and we're ready to defend it.
	And again, let me just tell you something my dad used to tell me, Seth.
	He said, These don't waste their time trying to convince flies that honey's better than dog poop.
	And so one of the things that we know is that we don't have enough time to try to convince statists, Marxists, atheists, That their worldview is wrong.
	And so we have now formed a one stop shop, a digital community where we can affirm one another.
	We can educate one another.
	We can buy and trade with one another.
	It is something that, as you said, it should have been, you know, put in place before, but it wasn't.
	So God bless those designers and creators who have given us Freedom Square.
	Go to it.
	Learn from it.
	Yeah, I need the next book from Ken Blackwell to be the sayings and aphorisms of his parents and his grandparents, because I would buy that book.
	In the meantime, check out freedomsquare.com.
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	So I thought So I thought we had... I don't get this call because I thought we carved out an exemption for the fertilizer from Russia.
	that Biden was playing a little game there.
	Okay.
	Cash.
	um - Um.
	Clinton's bag men are in trouble.
	Blackwell. - Oh.
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	We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
	So it's more of a reputation risk.
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	It's Lance Houston.
	Welcome!
	Hi Sebastian, thanks for having me on.
	Sure.
	It's a little windy here, so my apologies.
	Not a problem.
	I'm calling about the most recent story that I read on CF Industries.
	That's Chris Frank Industries.
	It's a fertilizer company.
	They have out plant in both Louisiana and I think somewhere in the Midwest.
	And the story is on April 9th.
	And it says on their website that the Biden administration has ordered them to cut back shipments of fertilizer 20%.
	And if they don't cut back shipments by 20%, then they'll be embargoed and won't be able to ship anything via Union Pacific.
	So I think the timing is curious that you would shut down shipping capability of fertilizer given the shortages coming from Russia.
	And then additionally, the fertilizer itself can't be efficiently shipped via truck.
	It's too heavy.
	So hang on, hang on.
	What's the justification being given for that moratorium?
	There's no justification being given.
	On the website, it says that all fertilizer manufacturers and shippers of ammonia-based products have been cut back 20%, and if they don't abide by the cutback, that they'll be embargoed.
	All right, stay on the line.
	I need you to talk to Eric, our associate producer.
	I need the website.
	I need the source.
	We need to look into that.
	I know they're playing fast and loose with the embargoes on Russian fertilizer, making exemptions.
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	. .
	They say be open-minded, but they tell you how to live.
	That's how you ended up with drag queens feeding to your kids.
	My soul cannot be bought, and what I'm speaking is the truth.
	And I won't silence every thought while they indoctrinate the youth.
	I think socialism sucks, and every government is shady.
	I'm not down with open borders.
	I'm not cool with killing babies.
	There aren't infinite genders, and a man can't be a lady.
	And you know that it's the truth, so why you looking at me crazy?
	I'm tired of your isms.
	I'm bored of all your phobias.
	I am not a bigot.
	just because i don't smoke with smoking you know shame and calling names the only thing you can invoke but we can talk about the system if you really think you're wrong sell them murder sell them dope all the things that keep them broke but you'll label me a sellout if i try to give them hope i don't care my vision bigger raise your kids stop pulling triggers you're a smart black man so why you call yourself that is a fabulous i'm not into rap guys but i like that That is an individual who says he's not cool with infinite genders or open borders, not your average song.
	We've had many, many guests on this show in the last three years.
	Some of them...
	Hey, how's it going?
	known by their initials like DJT, the former president.
	But I don't think we've had anybody who just has one name, and we're never going to have Madonna.
	But today we have Zuby with us.
	He's an entrepreneur.
	He's a rapper.
	A man with a fascinating background.
	I saw him first on my buddy's podcast, Trigonometry, Francis Foster and Constantin Kisim.
	Zuby, welcome to America First One on One.
	Hey, how's it going?
	Happy to be here.
	It's going very well.
	So far, so good.
	We are 90 seconds into this interview and it seems to be going all right, but we have a ways to go.
	Let's start where my buddies Francis and Constantine begin their superb interviews.
	How did you get to be where you are today?
	Where did you grow up?
	What's your training?
	What's your background?
	And perhaps of greatest interest to all of our millions of listeners across the nation, how did you get to be the world Heavyweight powerlifter in the female category.
	Okay, well that's a lot of questions there.
	So my name is Zuby.
	I'm an independent rapper, author, host of the Real Talk with Zuby podcast, public speaker and coach.
	I was born in England.
	My family background is originally from Nigeria.
	I actually grew up in the Middle East in Saudi Arabia, lived there for almost two decades and went to school there up until fifth grade.
	I then went to boarding school in the UK, studied computer science at Oxford University, which is where I also started my music career.
	And over the course of time, I have released six independent albums and EPs, sold tens of thousands of albums independently.
	And yeah, I've added a lot of strings to the bow.
	Started my podcast and wrote and released my first book in 2019 and have become well known as well for, I guess, what you could call social or cultural commentary.
	So different people around the world know me for different things, but I'm someone who is always trying to seek the truth, speak the truth, and help motivate and inspire other people.
	So in preparing for today, I went through several of your prior interviews, found that rap video on your Twitter feed, and let me just ask you straight up, where does a rapper, a music professional, entrepreneur, How come you're commenting on things like Covid, mass formation, gender politics?
	Because that's not what we really see very often.
	If you're in the music industry, you're trying to big up yourself.
	You're trying to aggrandize a certain lifestyle, which is often fictitious really.
	But you're talking about serious issues.
	You're commentating on serious issues as a musician.
	So how did that begin and tell us what it's meant, what the results have been for your business and your life?
	Yeah, sure thing.
	Well, first of all, I don't consider myself part of the music industry.
	I consider myself a musician and perhaps part of the music business, but I've never been involved with the industry itself.
	From the very beginning, when I started rapping in my late teens up until now, I've always operated Outside the so-called system.
	Now, being a rapper, I mean, it's interesting that people are sometimes surprised by a rapper doing any type of social or political or cultural commentary, but as far as I'm concerned, I mean, that's what hip-hop started out as.
	That's what it was supposed to be, and that's what it still is to a large extent.
	Now, majority of my music is not political, um, and it hasn't been, but I'm not afraid to venture into various topics just like I do now on my social media.
	So my music has always been a representation of myself, what I'm thinking, believing, observing at the time, both within my own life and around the world in general.
	So that's simply what I do.
	I share my thoughts, I share my opinions, I share my ideas and That's, I mean, it's not unique to the world of hip-hop in that sense.
	Maybe some of my views and my ideas or some of the things that I'm willing to espouse might be different from what people expect, but it's simply me being true to myself and me being authentic, which is what I always strive to be.
	People have their different expectations and presumptions and biases and things like that.
	As my profile grows, both as a musician and just as an individual, that changes.
	But before being a rapper, I'm a person.
	I'm a man.
	I'm a human being.
	I have thoughts.
	I have ideas.
	I have opinions.
	And I'm not going to silence that simply because I have this label of being a musician or a rapper.
	If anything, that means I should share those ideas more.
	That's the way I look at it.
	One of the words that came up again and again and again in your interviews is truth, is honesty, is authenticity.
	That must make you a very lonely guy in the music world.
	I like that you say you're not part of the industry, but you are a musician who's trying to get your music out there.
	This isn't an industry that is known for its authenticity, is it?
	Well, I think it depends on the individual.
	The thing with music, and I think hip-hop and rap specifically, is that the stuff that gets promoted, and this has been the truth for many decades, which is that only 0.1% of the artists and songs out there get a lot of promotion.
	And oftentimes as a result of the mainstream radio and television and what people might hear in nightclubs and so on, a lot of people have this notion of hip hop or rap only being about money and materialistic stuff and how many women you sleep with and how many foreign cars a lot of people have this notion of hip hop or rap only being about money and materialistic But the genre is so much deeper than that.
	And it always has been.
	It's just that there's this imbalance, I think, in the mainstream where a lot of the stuff that gets promoted is more, I don't know, degenerate or brainless.
	Also, you have to remember that people demand that.
	And that's what, you know, I don't think McDonald's make the best food in the world, but they probably sell more burgers than anybody else.
	So I think there's the question about what it is that people are hungry for.
	But regardless of that, I'm not someone who just jumps on trends.
	I'm not someone who jumps on trends.
	I've never been that guy.
	If I were to do that, then There's no point even really being a musician.
	There's no point being an artist if I'm just going to be representing someone else's beliefs or painting a picture that someone else wants me to paint and singing or rapping about things that I don't believe in.
	I mean, what's the point?
	If the goal is just to make money, then I'd even stay totally away from the music world.
	I got into music because I wanted to represent myself honestly.
	I wanted to put out a specific message out there.
	And I wanted to be true to myself, and that doesn't change regardless of how much things grow.
	Given that you don't follow those trends or the overarching fashions of the affluent lifestyle, what you call the degeneracy, the certain way of talking and treating about women, the emphasis on money, are you in a lonely place when it comes to the work that you do?
	Because you're not following the fashions of that music style?
	Maybe to some degree.
	Maybe I'd feel more lonely if I were in this so-called industry or if that's what I strongly associated with.
	But I don't feel lonely at all.
	You know, I've got over a million people on social media alone who follow me and like and appreciate what I do to some degree and in some capacity.
	I've had the opportunity to perform in eight different countries so far and to sell a lot of merchandise, sell a good amount of music, especially for a totally independent artist.
	So, I don't feel lonely.
	My music resonates with a lot of people, my message resonates with a lot of people, and I don't need the approval of random people.
	I don't care for that.
	I don't care for celebrity for the sake of celebrity, fame for the sake of fame.
	If people are going to know me, then I'm going to have any degree of fame or notoriety.
	I want it to be because people like and value who I am as a human being.
	People like and value the things that I'm creating, whether it's music, it's podcasts, it's books, it's public speaking, it's anything else that I do in the future.
	That's what I care about.
	And that's where my focus on is because if you try to please everybody, number one, you're always going to be compromising yourself all of the time.
	It's impossible to please everybody.
	You can't even get close to it.
	And also if you do that, then no one's going to really, Love or respect you.
	If you try to be liked by everybody, you're going to be respected by nobody, as far as I'm concerned.
	And you're constantly going to be violating your own ethics because there are so many different ideas and opinions and tastes out there.
	And so I'm focused on being true to myself and creating stuff that I think my actual audience and true fans will like and appreciate.
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	Zuby, in one of your most recent interviews, you give a catalog of all the places you've traveled in just the last few months, which is amazing given the travel restrictions we've all witnessed.
	And then you start talking about, you talk about COVID, and you actually use this phrase that has become very triggering for many, which is a mass formation psychosis.
	As somebody who clearly follows politics and culture, Will you give us your analysis of this peculiar phenomena of a disease, of a virus that every nation has experienced in one shape or another and how it has shaped thought in rather unhealthy ways.
	Let's avoid the medicine for a second and talk about what it's done to mental processes in various parts of the world.
	Yeah.
	Well, look, I'm not a, we live in this age of credentialism.
	So let me say, first of all, I'm not a, I'm not a psychologist.
	I'm not a biologist.
	Um, I've studied both on a basic level, however, but I'm someone who observes the world and I'm very, I'm very sensitive to when I see things, when I see people doing and believing and saying things that they never previously used to.
	Now, one observation I had back in 2020, And I maintain this position is that from the beginning I was far more concerned about the response to the COVID pandemic than the virus itself.
	I saw a lot of terrible precedents that were being set and which now people are seeing some of the fallout from.
	I'm talking about physical health, mental health, childhood development, the economy, inflation, unemployment.
	The disregard of civil liberties and the general relationship between the government and the people in various countries.
	All of these things were great concerns to me.
	And it was obvious to me from the beginning that the response was not logical nor proportionate to the threat.
	And I think that we live in this age of overcorrection where people are being strongly driven by emotion rather than by reason or by logic or even science.
	And what people are now calling science is not truly science.
	It's very, um, you know, people are talking about science and the science as if it's simply an institution or an individual person.
	It's some type of dogma that you're not supposed to challenge.
	You're not supposed to question.
	You're not supposed to have any dissenting view on and so on, even if you are yourself a scientist, but absolutely not if you do not have, um, you know, the word doctor in front of your name or some type of advanced degree in a specific subject.
	Now, human beings are, we're all individuals and I'm a big individualist.
	I'm big on people striving to think for themselves and think critically and fulfill their own potential.
	However, we also have a collectivist and a tribal, Nature to us.
	This is something that's not new.
	It's always been there.
	It's just part of humanity and People can form mob mentality There is this hive mind that can form around any issue by the way where there is a single narrative and it looks like a majority of people are saying or doing or believing a certain thing and It sweeps everybody up into it.
	So even if what they're doing or saying or believing is not Necessarily logical or even the only point of view out there people get swept in it People get swept into it because they want to be in the majority It's very very difficult on any issue to stand against what seems like a majority or even a very vocal minority There's an absence of courage in our society and I've learned that courage is far more rare than
	Perhaps then we realized, but I'm someone who looks at, you know, I've spent a lot of time looking at various things that have happened in history and not just trying to understand exactly what happened, but to think more deeply on a psychological level, to understand why it happened.
	And it seems clear to me that many, many tragic things that have happened in history are not because most people are evil or cruel or ill meaning or malicious or anything like that.
	But because a very small minority is able to cow the majority and to control them.
	And when people are afraid to speak out, when people are afraid to do what is right or to stand up against things that they know to be wrong, then very, very dark places.
	So that's something I'm very cautious of.
	And I think we saw many of these elements all coming together at play around the same time around the world.
	I think you couple that with the forced isolation, the anti-human policies from social distancing, to forced masking, to lockdown orders, to people not being allowed to see their friends, not being allowed to see their families.
	I mean, you have to remember for some people, we're talking now in spring 2022, there are people who have been detached from their families and their loved ones for over two years at this point, depending on where they live.
	And that is inhumane.
	There are countless people.
	Thousands must be hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people who have died over the past two years, whether it's from this particular virus or any other cause, and they weren't allowed to have a loved one near them.
	Right?
	So this has happened countless stories and you're, it's like people were so myopic on this topic that you're not supposed to discuss this.
	You're not supposed to talk about it.
	You're only supposed to have one line of thinking and ignore everything outside of it.
	And that's what I found extremely dangerous.
	And very concerning.
	And it's wild to me that even 700 days on from the beginning of all of this, there are many people who are still stuck in this mindset.
	They don't want to move on from this situation.
	They've done everything that they were supposed to do.
	They're supposed to be as protected as they claim they are protected, but they still don't want to give it up and they still want to force it on everybody else.
	And so I think that's really interesting.
	And disturbing from a psychological perspective.
	So it's something that I'm trying to understand myself.
	I don't have all the answers.
	I'm open to having these conversations.
	But I think what we've witnessed over the past two years is certainly in my lifetime something that I've never seen before.
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	OK, Zuby, we have to talk.
	I asked my buddies at Trigonometry, what do we have to talk to him about?
	And they said, identity politics.
	So let's have a little reminder of, sadly, the man who bears the title President of the United States about what he said during the election campaign just over a year ago.
	You got more questions, but I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black.
	It don't have nothing to do with Trump.
	It has to do with the fact I want something for my community.
	I would love to see... Take a look at my record, man.
	I extended the voting rights 25 years.
	I have a record that is second to none.
	The NAACP has endorsed me every time I've run.
	I mean, come on.
	Take a look at the record.
	If you don't vote for me, an old white guy, you ain't black.
	Isn't that the antithesis of what we should have learned from the Reverend Martin Luther King?
	You are a keen observer of these things, Zuby.
	How did we get here in 2024 when a politician who's now in the White House said the melanin levels of your skin pigmentation should dictate who you pull the lever for on election day?
	Do you know the worst thing about that is that in a way he's not wrong.
	Because there are millions of people who actually think like that.
	I mean, I'm not a black American, obviously, I'm black last time that I checked.
	So I don't want to speak on behalf of any black American out there.
	But there are many people in various minority communities who do have this line of thinking that if you have a certain characteristic, often immutable, this could be your skin color, your ethnicity, your sexuality, even your gender, then you must vote for a certain candidate, or you must have certain political views, or you must be a member of a certain political party.
	And that is reinforced Not by Joe Biden or any other politician, but that is enforced often by members of those so-called communities.
	So in one way, I think what he said was extremely egregious.
	On another way, it's like, well, He got away with saying that and, you know, people still voted for him within that block, overwhelmingly.
	But why?
	But why?
	I mean, you're not American, but you've spent enough time here.
	Why do they do that?
	When you look at the poverty rates, you look at the fatherless broken homes, why is there this seemingly generational willingness to genuflect and surrender at the altar of identity politics?
	I think it's primarily branding and groupthink, right?
	I think, and I've had this conversation with some of my black American friends or even people I'm not friends with.
	I've had this conversation with random Uber drivers and so on, and I've listened to their perspective.
	And I've heard things like, you know, that they don't even necessarily sometimes like Joe Biden or like the Democrats say, but they believe the narrative that the other side is racist.
	They believe the narrative that Republicans Trump, the right, whatever you want to call it, is against black people, is against minorities, and is racist, slash white supremacist, or anything else like that.
	So I think it's largely based on branding.
	I don't think it's so much based on policies.
	I think it's based on the perception of both parties.
	And the truth is that the Democrats have branded themselves very well over the past few decades.
	I don't really like to go into the nitty gritty of party politics, but I think that They've done a great job of branding themselves as the party that is for minorities, it's for the LGBT people, it's for women, it's for black people, and, you know, those Republicans, the right on the other side is a bunch of, you know, racists and they're just for rich white people.
	Now, I don't believe those narratives.
	I think it's It's incredibly oversimplified and totally inaccurate based on what I observe and what I know that people stand for, but that is the perception.
	I think when you couple that with this notion of groupthink, then people end up policing each other, right?
	We know, look, if you are a black American and you're an open conservative or open Republican, we know the names you get called.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	We know the names you get called.
	You'll get called all sorts of nasty stuff, often by people who share your skin color.
	You're going to feel very lonely.
	You're going to be attacked and so on.
	So even people who hold those views, oftentimes they are very quiet about it.
	But the much easier thing to do, the path of least resistance, is just to go along with the 90% or so and just vote for the Democratic Party, as people have been doing for a very, very long time.
	Now, I do not endorse any particular political party.
	I'm not even an American.
	I'm not a Republican.
	I'm not a Democrat.
	I have my own views.
	I'm not afraid to voice them.
	But I think the biggest issue I have with this is the sense of ownership and the absence of free thinking.
	I would never tell Anybody.
	I've never told anybody who they should vote for.
	That's not my position and I don't have a level of arrogance to think that I know and should be able to dictate who people should vote for.
	However, I certainly don't think that any political party or any politician has a sort of inherent right or ownership Over your vote, let alone the ownership of the votes of a huge group of people.
	We're talking about tens of millions of people.
	And I think that when there is that idea, I think that's also part of why the policies can often keep on failing.
	Because let's be real, there are cities, many cities in the USA, In many states, which are on a clearly downward trajectory.
	And these are places that have been run by the same political party often for decades.
	But from their perspective, I mean, think about this.
	Why would, why would they make a huge effort to fulfill the policies if they know that you are going to vote for them anyway?
	Right?
	You can let LA go to crap.
	You can let San Francisco go to crap.
	You can let Portland go to crap.
	You don't need to do anything for everyone.
	And they're still going to vote for you.
	They're still going to give you those votes.
	You're still going to stay in power.
	And maintain your money and your status, and there's not even any competition, then why would you help them?
	You can keep those people reliant.
	So it makes sense to me.
	I think it's a shame.
	I don't think it's a good thing.
	I don't think it's moral.
	I don't think it's ethical.
	But I think those are the sort of dynamics around it that lead to this phenomena.
	Yeah, I think it's maybe a slight oversimplification, but branding is the correct way to think about it, and I think the success of the branding is on the Democrat side, and the Republicans have to try to brand themselves more accurately.
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	So we are clearly living in an age of identity politics out of control, whether it's skin color-based, whether it's gender, sexual proclivities. - Yeah.
	Will you give us your analysis, Zuby, of what the truth about BLM is?
	If we go a hundred years into the future, If there's an objective fact-based historian, what should that historian be writing about BLM in 2020 to 2022?
	All right.
	Well, I think the first and most important thing to say about BLM, Black Lives Matter, is that it is a semantically overloaded phrase.
	When I hear BLM or Black Lives Matter, that could be referring to one of at least three things.
	There is the statement, Black Lives Matter, just a statement, which Everybody agrees with.
	I did not need a political or social movement to let me know that my life has value and my parents and family's lives have value and many of my friends lives have value and the value and over a billion people in the world.
	I believe there's about a billion people billion black people in the world.
	All of our lives matter.
	Thank you.
	I've known this for many many years.
	So everyone agrees with that statement.
	Part two is the organization.
	So there is an organization, I believe it's a non-profit or charity, which is called Black Lives Matter.
	It is a...
	I don't think the right word is incorporated, but it's a registered organization that I believe has multiple chapters, not just in the U.S., but also outside of it.
	So it is an organization.
	It has leaders.
	It has people who raise money for it to the tune of millions and millions of dollars over the past few years.
	So BLM is also specifically an organization.
	The third part, which maybe is in between these, is that Black Lives Matter is a movement which started Let's say in the mid-20s.
	When did Black Lives Matter really kick off?
	It's a movement that started sometime in the past decade or so.
	I believe it really flared up, if I'm correct, after the Michael Brown shooting.
	I can't remember which year that was.
	But it's also a movement.
	Now, there are people of the movement who are part of the organization, or there are protests which are led by the specific BLM registered organization, and then there are also people who just like the sentiment and feel that black people are being discriminated against or targeted and harmed by police, or that society overall is racist against them, so on and so forth.
	So really there are three things here.
	There is the statement, there is the organization, and there is the movement.
	So I think it's important to parse those out first of all.
	Because otherwise, if you say BLM or Black Lives Matter, it's not clear what you're referring to.
	And someone might be against the organization and criticize the organization, and then people will accuse them of not supporting the statement, for example.
	And then, of course, claim that they don't believe Black Lives Matter and they're racist and so on and so forth.
	We live in this age of people intentionally misrepresenting and misinterpreting people and it's very exhausting and tiring.
	So let's drill down on the organization.
	Let's talk about the organization.
	How should the organization be understood?
	I think that the organization is largely a scam.
	I don't think that they particularly care about black lives.
	I think that they have embezzled a lot of funds and a lot of the money has gone missing.
	That's just a fact.
	There are millions of dollars that have gone missing.
	It's been traced that many properties have been bought with some of that money by some of the organizers and founders.
	And I think that they use public sympathy and compassion towards screwed up situations, such as the George Floyd situation to raise and embezzle money, essentially.
	Um, I think that they capitalize off the unfortunate deaths of black people and they manipulate people's emotions to, into donations.
	And then they use donate those donations for, I don't even, I don't even know what so much of the money has gone missing.
	Now, has this organization done some good things?
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I'm not aware of any highly tangible and effective policy or idea or program that they have created that's genuinely helped to protect black people, either from the police or from themselves or from anything else that kills black people.
	But yeah, I don't have a positive view on the organization at all.
	I don't think it's...
	I don't think it's genuine.
	I don't think it's genuine.
	And I think that it's wrong to hijack people's emotions.
	I think it's wrong to hijack people's tragic deaths in order to enrich yourself.
	I don't think that that is ethical.
	And I think a lot of people have been duped because they take the name at face value.
	You know, if I had an organization called Don't kick puppies or don't kill kittens.
	And the organization had nothing really to do with helping puppies or kittens or saving their lives.
	But I could attack anybody who has an issue with my organization based off its name, then that would be very clever, but it would be very deceptive.
	And, you know, I totally I'm on board with the statement that black lives matter.
	Of course, black lives matter.
	Um, but if people truly believe that.
	And you truly want to help black people in the USA or outside of it, then, um, the biggest issue isn't, is not the police.
	Um, if you want to have an anti-police brutality movement, then cool, let's go for that.
	And that should go way beyond black people.
	But if you want to focus on the things that are primarily killing black people in the U S or outside of it, then cool.
	Let's have that conversation.
	Let's look at the stats.
	Let's look at the data and let's talk about it and let's see what we can do.
	But if you're not willing to have that conversation, then I question how genuine you are about truly believing that black lives matter.
	Now, you took the issue of identity politics to its zenith by becoming the most powerful power lifter in the women's category, something that greatly amused Joe Rogan when you were on his show.
	Can you tell us why you did that stunt and what the deeper message is, Zubi?
	Yeah, sure.
	So, I mean, first of all, it's funny that that's the thing that so many people discovered before, because I tweeted it off the cuff, like I do with many other things.
	And I didn't expect it to reach millions and millions of people.
	Now, this is an issue that, I mean, it blows my mind that in 2022, we're still having debates around whether biological males should be competing against biological females in professional sports.
	It shows how far we've fallen as a society in terms of sanity.
	But three years ago I posted that because over the couple years predating that I had noticed that this issue was popping up and people were floating this idea that a man is anybody who identifies as a man and a woman is anybody who identifies as a woman.
	And I'd personally flagged since about, I want to say 2015 or 2016 that this would inevitably lead to this issue.
	So the day I posted that, I'd seen multiple stories coming out of the USA.
	About, uh, you know, boys beating girls in various sports.
	I think there was one in athletics and there was one in wrestling.
	And out of curiosity, I just looked up to see what the British women's powerlifting records were.
	And I realized that I could easily defeat the, uh, deadlift one and the one for power and the one for a bench press as well.
	So I just tweeted that video from one of my training sessions saying, look, I keep hearing about how biological men have no strength advantage over women in 2019.
	So watch me destroy the British women's deadlift record without trying.
	P.S.
	I identified as a woman while lifting the weight.
	Don't be a bigot.
	So you identified as a woman for the five minutes while you were bench pressing, right?
	I mean for the nine seconds of the lift, not even up to a minute.
	But that's enough because there's this concept of gender fluidity as well, so I don't even need to be consistent with my gender.
	It can change from day to day, hour to hour, and everyone is supposed to respect that and respect my pronouns, otherwise they are a bigot.
	These are the rules I've been told.
	I didn't make up the rules.
	I'm simply playing by them.
	So, you know, the deeper point was just pointing out the absurdity in this all.
	Because when people reach a position purely based off of logic, sorry, when people reach a position purely based off of emotion and feelings, then using logic to get them out of that position does not work.
	And I see this mistake being made all the time with these crazy gender ideologues and these people Believing all this nonsense, which is people trying to use logic and reason to get them out the position, right?
	They didn't reach that position by logic and rationale But what you can do is you can take what they're saying and just push it to its natural conclusion Which is what I did.
	So anyone who believes this ideology they either have to accept the fact that I am the British women's deadlift record holder and that I'm the strongest woman in the UK or They have to say That's a man, right?
	And according to their own rules that would make them transphobic.
	So I'm often asked if people were upset with it or if people got angry and the truth is that there's not much that anyone could really say.
	The only accusation they could make is a vague accusation of transphobia, which is their only argument, and there's nothing transphobic about it.
	In fact, I can flip that on their head and say that by them not accepting me as a woman, that that is transphobic of them, because we've been beaten over the head with this idea that anybody, it doesn't matter if you have a penis, you have testicles, you have a beard, you have XY chromosomes and a high testosterone level, You can be a woman.
	You just have to believe it and you just have to say it and everyone is supposed to immediately fall in line.
	So we can't have both of these things.
	So we need to decide which one is true.
	The one that I believe is true is the one that I've believed is true for my entire life in which I'm sure 99% of the world's population agreed on up until five minutes ago.
	But here we are and the debate rages on.
	I think that video is perhaps one of the cleanest examples of what the phrase hoisted on their own petard means when it comes to those who believe that gender is not based upon facts and science.
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	Zuby, in all the interviews I've seen you give, you're very measured, you're very in control, and you demonstrate good humor. - Yeah.
	There is an exception, and there's a moment when you start talking about, quote, what they've done to the children.
	Will you talk about, for the last couple of minutes, the ideological threat to the most vulnerable in our society, the children?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's interesting that you observe that because there are very few things that make me really angry.
	There's very few.
	It's quite hard to, uh, offend me or for me to feel a great deal of outrage.
	But one line that gets crossed with that is people messing with or harming kids.
	You know, um, children are so innocent.
	Children are the future and they are little sponges who are Very open to all types of learning and manipulation or indoctrination.
	And I think one of the sickest things that's going on in modern Western society, and this is happening on multiple levels, is that children are being used to satisfy the whims and desires of neurotic adults.
	This is happening with the COVID measures and the forced masking and social distancing, pulling kids out of school, Stopping them from seeing their friends and developing and forcing unnecessary medication upon them and so on.
	I think that's despicable.
	I think it's absolutely disgusting because it's known that this is not a virus.
	This is not a disease that hurts kids.
	Hardly.
	Very, very few, if any healthy children have died of this disease around the entire world.
	And that was known from early.
	That was known about two years ago.
	But still, because the so-called adults are scared, They're trying to force all of this stuff on the children.
	It's kids who have to sacrifice.
	I mean, adults should sacrifice for children.
	That's how the world is supposed to work.
	Adults are supposed to make sacrifices for children.
	Children are not supposed to make huge sacrifices to make adults so-called feel safe or to satisfy their emotional whims.
	You're seeing this happen with the gender ideology stuff as well.
	Right?
	I remember when it was very completely agreed and it was not some partisan issue that you do not talk to children about stuff that is for adults.
	You don't talk to little kids about sexual intercourse and sexuality and all this stuff.
	You don't push that on three-year-olds, four-year-olds.
	You don't bring in drag queens to read to toddlers.
	This stuff is obvious.
	It's commonsensical.
	No one would have disagreed with anything I'm saying here a mere ten years ago, perhaps even eight years ago.
	But all of a sudden, these statements are supposed to be controversial or highly conservative or something like that.
	And I think that's the sign of a very sick society.
	Now, I don't want to act like, you know, most adults are for this or are encouraging this, but it's a significant percentage.
	You know, it's a large number.
	And all of this stuff is being politicized, and this is not a red or blue or right or left issue or anything like that.
	If there's one thing we should all be able to agree on, it should be, look, protect kids.
	Adults can be adults.
	Adults can make adult decisions and live adult lifestyles, but let's not be teaching and pushing all of this stuff on three-year-olds and four-year-olds and five-year-olds because It's not right.
	It's obviously immoral.
	So that is, um, you know, I could, I could go deeper on that issue, but I think that a very dangerous Pandora's box is being open there.
	Um, I think that in a society where we value tolerance and freedom of speech and different ideas and all of that, we still have to have certain lines and boundaries.
	We have to have certain lines of, you know, ethical and moral boundaries and certain standards.
	And certain things that we just do not do.
	And I'm concerned about the speed at which some of these insane and moronic ideas have gained traction.
	And I do have some concerns about how that is going to impact the next generation physically, mentally, psychologically.
	There's already a lot of battles with all these kids growing up in this age of internet and social media and being connected to all.
	That's a big enough challenge, but what we don't need is school teachers, you know, trying to groom little children and push their ideologies on them.
	I think it's absolutely not right, and I'm not afraid to say that.
	The trouble is it's not insane, it's not moronic, it's deliberate, it's ideological, and it's truly diabolical.
	Last question for you, Zuby.
	In the interviews I've seen you do with Joe Rogan, with my buddy Dave Rubin, and others, the great guys at Trigonometry, there's one thing that resonated with me the most, and it's something I came to doing my daily radio show, and it's
	The sad realization as an immigrant to America, that I deem to be the greatest nation on God's earth, that was built really on a concept of rugged individualism, the pioneer spirit, that after two years of COVID, Fauci, masks, vaccinations, The biggest problem we have, the biggest problem is the lack of courage generally in our population.
	And I heard that from you again and again and again.
	What is your final message to all of our listeners and viewers when it comes to digging deep and finding that courage to be committed to speaking the truth?
	I think that people need to understand the consequences of not doing so.
	I can totally understand how and why people are fearful to say certain things or to voice certain opinions or to push back on certain ideas.
	Trust me, I get it.
	I've dealt with hundreds of so-called online mobs.
	I've faced all types of criticism for all types of things, been called all sorts of names.
	I've lost opportunities, gained opportunities and so on.
	I get it.
	You've got a kid.
	You've got a job.
	You've got a job.
	You've got a mortgage.
	You don't want to get cancelled.
	You don't want to risk losing your job and so on.
	But rather than using those things as an excuse, what about using those as a reason?
	What about thinking about the world you want your children and other children to grow up in?
	Do you want them to have less liberty than you?
	Do you want them to be less free?
	Do you want them to not have freedom of speech?
	Not be able to say things that go around the narratives, not be able to do basic things like, you know, all the things that we take for granted that we typically don't need permission for.
	Do you want them to live in that type of society?
	Do you want them to live in something that more resembles China than it resembles the USA or the UK or Canada?
	And I think the obvious answer is no.
	So I think that people need to understand that this is going to come to your doorstep.
	You might think you can keep your head down and none of these, uh, so-called culture wars or battles or anything are going to affect you.
	They're not going to affect your children.
	It's easy to believe that and to stick your head in the sand, but that is simply not the truth.
	If you're someone wondering, Oh, how did, uh, you know, the world is going crazy.
	How did it get this far?
	It got this far because collectively people let it go that far.
	And what is tolerated will ultimately be where that all leads.
	So I think that everybody, you know, you don't all need to become activists and not everyone needs to start a podcast or a YouTube channel and start speaking out on all of these issues all the time.
	But if each individual can simply be 10%, 20% more courageous, more willing to say no when they see that something is wrong or when someone's trying to fully compromise your values or push something that's immoral upon you, then I think we can make a huge amount of headway.
	And I think that a lot of these problems can be stopped before they grow into complete monsters.
	If everybody collectively is just willing to be a little more bold and courageous, sometimes you do have to take a risk.
	Being courageous and being courageous is not about there not being any risk or you not having any fear.
	It's about there being a risk and you having some fear but you doing the right thing anyway.
	So I think that it's about time that more people step up to that plate.
	And think about it the way he said.
	Think about the alternative if you're not committed to the truth.
	What happens then?
	He's Zuby.
	Follow him at ZubyMusicTeamZuby.com.
	I commend you for your commitment for the truth and being an iconoclast, not for the sake of being an iconoclast, but an iconoclast who's committed to the truth.
	God bless you.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This has been one-on-one wherever you are, whatever you're doing.
	Keep your head on a swivel.
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