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April 19, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Political suicide: Will Biden appeal mask ruling?

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	The Biden administration announced that the Transportation Security Administration will no longer enforce the federal mandate requiring masks in all U.S. areas.
	airports and onboard aircraft.
	Woo!
	I think that is the most popular social media product now available on any micro blogging platform like the Twitter.
	It is of course the videos from on board those aluminium tubes.
	Aluminum.
	Is that right?
	Where people listen to their captain announcing, yep, it's over.
	The insanity, the science denial of having a cloth mask on your face.
	Except when you're eating or drinking, when COVID magically disappears whilst you are eating and drinking is over.
	Why?
	Because a brave female federal drudge struck it down saying that HHS, TSA and the rest of the federal agencies had no mandate to force you to do that.
	The left is going wild.
	They are melting down.
	Even doctors who are writing tweets like this one that I just have to share with you.
	So, hi United!
	Of course, this is America First.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka and this is the Salem News Network.
	Hi at United.
	When I bought my tickets for me, my wife, who is pregnant and our unvaccinated four-year-old, I assumed you would continue to have a mask mandate.
	Well, number one, why did you do that, Jeremy Faust MD?
	Because presumably they had to end at some point.
	Did you want them to wait until you'd arrived home for the Biden administration to surrender?
	Now you cancel the mask mandate, United, and we will have to board our return flight.
	Under your new no mask required policy?
	Thanks so much!
	That is from Jeremy Faust MD who I tweeted at should be struck off the medical register because he's not a scientist he doesn't believe in science and by the way
	Dr. Faust, there's nothing to prevent you from getting on that plane with every member of your family, extended or otherwise, with one mask, with two masks, with a body condom, should you so require, or maybe a plastic bag over your head as well, if that's what makes you really feel safe.
	Alternatively, you don't have to fly.
	It is not a rule in America that anybody has to fly.
	I guess Rosanna Arquette doesn't know that.
	Because what she posted, that genius of health policy, that PhD of epidemiology, has she made a movie in the last 20 years?
	I will not fly without a mask.
	America is grateful to you, Rosanna Arquette.
	Seriously, friends, it looks like it's over.
	And the good news is, I posted a video of some normal stewardesses, yes I prefer the phrase steward and stewardesses, not flight attendants, celebrating along with you.
	Celebrating along with normal Americans who realized that this was a farce, this was a farrago.
	A disease that killed significantly less than 1% of the people who caught it.
	A disease that had nary an effect on those who were healthy, especially children.
	Children who were practically immune.
	If they had no existing serious condition, Nothing autoimmune related or related to their respiratory system.
	Children simply did not die from COVID.
	And to see young children being forced by their parents, being forced by the TSA and the airlines to be masked for hours on end on a plane that seriously is not a threat to their health was an abomination.
	Now we know the biggest threat to America isn't the government.
	It is those unprepared to stand up to the government.
	But the most delicious thing of all What does the Biden administration do now?
	This wasn't a voluntary decision.
	This wasn't Fauci saying, yeah, I got it wrong and the UK is right and Sweden is right.
	It's time to live like free people.
	No.
	This was one brave female Trump appointee judge who said, no, you don't have that authority.
	Sorry, HHS.
	Sorry, DHS.
	Sorry, CDC.
	You do not have that authority.
	So do they appeal it?
	Does the Biden administration expend time, political capital, and your money on appealing that judgment?
	It's going to be hard for them not to if they wish to placate the Rosanna Arquettes of the world.
	If they wish to seem as if the last two years of their virtue signaling wasn't negative, wasn't empty, wasn't just a show.
	The other option is not to appeal it.
	To say, okay, you got us.
	We lied about science when Fauci said, you don't need a mask.
	That's just hysteria.
	That was right.
	Then what happens?
	Then, potentially, the less vocal but more numerous Democrats, allegedly 81 million of whom, yeah, 81 million of whom, voted for Biden will say, well, hang on a second.
	Why are you siding with the Republicans?
	Why are you siding with those who believe in bodily autonomy?
	Either way, they lose.
	Which is fabulous.
	Which is delicious.
	But here is the conclusion for us.
	Don't celebrate it.
	Why are we celebrating?
	It never should have happened in the first place.
	It's wrong.
	There is no scientific study, none, zero, from any country in the world that demonstrates empirically that a cloth mask makes a difference with regards to coronavirus.
	That's not how you protect yourself.
	And in fact, the reason that doctors and nurses wear them is to not expend, not to expel something into their patients on the operating table.
	It's very different from protecting yourself from a virus that is so small that it can easily penetrate multiple layers of cloth.
	That's just a scientific statement.
	So why did we do it at all?
	Why didn't we just refuse?
	I refused to wear a mask to such an extent as you heard over a year ago at 7-Eleven an insane man in a double mask threatened to shoot me with the Glock in his glove box if I didn't immediately mask myself.
	An incident that I filmed him getting into his car and I sent to the local police authorities to investigate because that's the level of science denial and hysteria.
	But not enough of us stood up.
	Now is the time.
	There will be municipalities where they say, I don't care about that judge.
	We're going to continue.
	If you live there, what are you going to do about it?
	Will you be a sheep?
	Or will you be a free man?
	Will you be somebody who kneels at the altar of Fauci?
	Or will you be an American?
	In this year of all years, it's time to take a stand.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	We will be joined by Lord Conrad Black.
	J.D.
	Vance next.
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	This is the Salem Network, and I'm your host, Sebastian Gorka.
	Don't touch that dial.
	Is it popping?
	Why celebrate the end of mosques?
	Oh.
	Um.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Um.
	What was it?
	Queer theory, the root of it all.
	Queer theory, the root the root of it all.
	Queer theory, the root of it all. the root of it all.
	Oh, have you got the image?
	Have you got the image?
	My tweet that he signed.
	Okay.
	Yeah, JD.
	Hey man, how are you?
	Good, good.
	How's it going?
	Good, man.
	Can you pot him up?
	He's really low.
	Who's in control?
	No, I need him potting.
	John?
	Keep talking, Dreddy.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Testing.
	1, 2, 3, 4.
	Is that loud enough for you guys?
	OK, it's really low for me.
	It's all right.
	I'll just put it up.
	OK, good.
	All right, so congratulations.
	Thank you.
	Did you see a nice bump?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think so.
	We haven't pulled the race yet since he endorsed us, so we're probably going to pull it a couple days here and see where things are.
	But I feel pretty good, man.
	I feel very good.
	Good.
	All right.
	Standby.
	by 30 seconds.
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	Should we be celebrating the lack of masks or is it something that, you know, never ever should have happened?
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	A little thing I had to verify yesterday that I said I'd share with you once I knew it was true is a very interesting image I was sent in the direct messaging system of Twitter from President Trump's office.
	Let's put it up on the screen.
	On Friday, I wrote a tweet.
	The swamp is desperately trying to sabotage President Trump's imminent endorsement of JD Vance.
	I had that on good authority.
	They were trying to sabotage it.
	Which is exactly a very good reason to support this Marine.
	Put the image back up, Eric, because I need to read what was written on the tweet.
	He may be banned from Twitter, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on, because President Trump saw my tweet, printed it out, and wrote on it in his inimitable style.
	That handwriting cannot be mistaken.
	Sebastian!
	Done!
	Best wishes, Donald.
	Signed, Donald J. Trump.
	He's never signed anything for me so far, Donald.
	So, thank you, sir.
	I appreciate it.
	Let's talk to the man that we were rhyming about.
	He is with us right now.
	He is the Senate candidate for Ohio, J.D.
	Vance.
	How's your weekend been?
	Happy Easter!
	Thank you.
	I hope you had a happy Easter too.
	We had a hell of a weekend.
	And I was actually, on Good Friday, I was having a milkshake with my son.
	I get a phone call from a number I don't recognize.
	And the guy on the other end says, this is Donald Trump.
	And I said, is it really?
	He said, yeah, I'm going to endorse you in the Senate.
	I said, that's great news, sir.
	Obviously been working hard for it.
	It's a huge boost to the campaign.
	You know, most endorsements don't move votes.
	Donald Trump's endorsement moves a lot of votes.
	So I already felt good about the race.
	Now I feel great about it.
	And I think, you know, this endorsement is the thing that we're going to need to carry us forward to win the primary.
	And then, of course, take on the Democrats and try to take the Senate back and stop this craziness.
	All right.
	We have so much to discuss.
	How much time do you have, JD?
	I've got 20-25 minutes or so, is that correct?
	All right, let's keep you on for 10 minutes.
	That's two segments because I got so much to ask you.
	First thing is, and I think it was a plant from your Republican opponents campaign rang in yesterday.
	I've been fielding these tweets Since I supported you and since the President endorsed you on Friday, saying he's a never-Trumper, he hates President Trump, he's just a turncoat.
	Every time I say, really?
	Quote it for me, and they go back years, they don't talk about how you've said, I made a mistake, Trump's the man, it's America first.
	I have to ask you, because every time it comes up, What is your relationship to America First and to MAGA?
	And I'm going to use a left-wing phrase, and I apologize in advance, JD, your evolution over the years.
	Yeah, man, it's pretty straightforward, right?
	I always, you know, I liked a lot of what the president talked about on trade, on foreign policy, on immigration.
	I had a lot of skepticisms of Trump the person, and I was happy to be proven wrong.
	And look, I think it's important When you're wrong about something, not to hem and haw and try to talk around it and pretend you weren't wrong.
	I mean, look, I didn't think Trump was going to be a great president.
	He happened to be the greatest president of my lifetime.
	I've been very publicly supportive of the president for the past several years.
	It's funny, Seb, when I talk to the president about this, I mean, you know better than I do, right?
	He has a memory, like unbelievable memory.
	He remembers everything.
	He remembers what I said about him six years ago.
	He remembers what I said about him three years ago.
	And what's so funny is the president himself said, you know, some of the best people for me were people who weren't early fans of me but were converts.
	And you're a convert.
	And that's exactly right.
	You know, I'm a convert to a righteous cause, right?
	Because I think it's the thing that's gonna save this country and actually take it back, not just to sort of have a slow break on what the Democrats are doing, but to actually push back and return America to greatness.
	That to me is what Trump represents more than anything.
	I think, of course, he was fought harder by the establishment of both parties than any person in my lifetime.
	I've never seen a political leader that the elites in this country tried to destroy.
	Not just beat him electorally, they tried to destroy his life, take his business, destroy the lives of his kids.
	That means something to me, right?
	Because they've come after me, too.
	And I realized that this guy was so hated by all of the right people because he was actually getting stuff done That's really my evolution, right?
	It's pretty simple.
	It's pretty straightforward.
	I think it's important to be honest about this stuff And of course, I've got the president's endorsement now, right?
	This is the weirdest thing that people call in six years ago Yeah, this is the weird thing that people call in and say, I'm a supporter of the president, but JD Vance is a turncoat.
	And I'm saying, hang on a second.
	Do you support President Trump?
	Because he just endorsed JD.
	So are you undermining the writ of the kingmaker?
	Let me ask you a question.
	As somebody who's made that, Transition.
	Why are so many people incapable, who call themselves Republicans, who believe in national security, who believe in a strong economy, who saw what President Trump did for four years, why are they unable, do you think, to do what you did, JD?
	Yeah, I think I understand this better than most, Seb, because, again, I came from a working-class background, went to law school at Yale, and was myself a Trump critic early on.
	I think that what's going on is these guys come from the social world of the elites.
	They crave the affection and the attention, the approval of the Yale Law School professor more than they do their own people and their own voters.
	And that just becomes a kind of mental illness, right, where you're so desperate for the approval of the left.
	Even some of these people, you know, like David French, I don't think he's aware of it, That he's so desperate for the approval of people who are trying to destroy the country that they eventually become traitors to their own cause.
	And I really think that's what's going on.
	It's one of the reasons why I think we need to send more Republicans from backgrounds like mine who actually come from the voters who make up the Republican Party.
	Because at the end of the day, so many of the elite, I mean, think of Mitt Romney, right?
	He was our presidential candidate 10 years ago.
	He is now actively fighting more than most Democrats against what we believe in.
	Yeah, it is a truly a psychotic phenomena.
	If you say that you represent the values of a strong America, a safe America, a strong economy, smaller government draining the swamp, and then you don't support the man who actually demonstrated that for four years, then it's not him that is the problem, it is you that is the problem.
	We're going to talk about your expectations for the midterms, how the campaign is going.
	You can support him at J.D.
	Vance.
	I learned a great deal from him, especially his book, Hillbilly Elegy, that explained, really, why a non-politician could become the president.
	Please follow him, J.D.
	Vance1, on Twitter.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First coming to you live from TheReliefFactor.com.
	The studios are brand new.
	Give him a wide shot, guys.
	Let's show them everything that there is in our new studio.
	We've got to get JD Vance in studio to check it out when he is next in the swamp.
	We will be discussing his plan for this midterm year.
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	Stay on this channel. Stay on this channel.
	Hey, man.
	Mike's is still hot on the live stream.
	Sure.
	That's a cool signature that you got there.
	That's awesome.
	I know, isn't that crazy?
	He's never signed it.
	He's never signed it Donald before.
	That's cool.
	So, you know, that would be a cool article for you to write.
	Why, you know, these others couldn't make the transition.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, like, think about it, man.
	One of the main arguments was, okay, so, you know, the abortion issue is really important to me, right?
	I've been pro-life since I was 14 years old.
	Like, one of the things that I genuinely believe is that he would not be a very good pro-life president.
	We think the best pro-life president, not even close, right?
	Of the past, you know, I'm 37 years old, of my lifetime.
	Like little things like that where you have to say you go into it with certain expectations.
	If those expectations are wrong, do the manly thing and say, you know what?
	I screwed up.
	I missed it.
	That's easy.
	I don't, man, it becomes the psychosis, and I think a lot of them, they're so desperate to be proven right.
	It's like every little thing that comes out about Trump, it's like, all right, this is the thing that's going to bury him, right?
	This is what's going to, you know, this is what's going to finally prove me right once and for all.
	I think it's a little bit of that, just an unwillingness to admit error.
	Do you think the Never Trump movement is dead, like the Lincoln Project pedos?
	I mean, I would like to think so.
	But look, there's a lot of money being a never Trump conservative.
	There's a lot of consulting gigs and media contracts if you're willing to be the Republican who goes on and bashes them.
	So I think as a media phenomenon, it'll always be around.
	Does it have any pool with our voters?
	No.
	Right.
	But you know, that's not that's not who their audience is.
	Anyway, it never was.
	No, they're the court eunuchs for the left.
	Right.
	Hey, are you writing a new book?
	Have you written something since Elegy?
	You know, I'm always writing and I've, you know, I've been working on this thing about, you know, religion and Christianity and its role in the founding and what's going on in the country today.
	It's not even close to done yet, but I definitely would, you know, I'm always writing, man.
	I'll probably publish it eventually, but obviously I've been pretty tied up the past year.
	What about you?
	What are you working on these days?
	I was supposed to be writing a book on masculinity and manhood and then just enjoying this and the weekly Newsmax show and then I got funding.
	It just literally was an act of God.
	We got funding to do a fun TV show so I've hired a production team and we're doing something a little bit more infotainment if you will.
	Very subtle hidden politics, but nothing overt.
	Yeah.
	So we're going to start filming that in June.
	Okay.
	I'm interested in the masculinity topic.
	That'll be a good book.
	I think that's the missing piece, right?
	You know, we can dissect the insanity, the critical race theory, but we're missing that, you know, celebration of classical manhood.
	That's what I'm interested in.
	Yeah.
	All right. Stand by.
	All right.
	All right.
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	We are back with the man who has the freshest political endorsement from the Kingmaker.
	He is, of course, JD Vance, former... is it combat photographer?
	Former Marine.
	You can Yeah, yeah, I went in what's called open contract, Seb, so I did whatever they told me to do and what they assigned me to do was, you know, do, you know, I remember in Iraq, one of the things they had me doing was escorting media personnel, basically trying to prevent anybody from getting themselves killed.
	And yeah, it was a weird, weird experience.
	But the good thing is I got, you know, I went all over the country, actually.
	You know, I didn't just go to one base.
	We were in, I think, six or seven different bases my time in Iraq.
	So a good experience, but definitely, you know, definitely got lucked out in the job department because a lot of guys had tougher duty than I did.
	I don't know which is worse, fighting terrorists in an FOB or having to look after and babysit journalists in a war zone.
	So...
	JD, you opened my eyes to part of why Donald Trump, a non-politician, became president the first time he ran.
	And that's because over Thanksgiving weekend, because Steve Bannon told me to do so, I read your book, Hillbilly Elegy, which is kind of autobiographical.
	Can you unpack, everybody should read it, you can read it in a couple of days, how much of that story helps explain politics today insofar as whether it's a radicalized Democrat party or whether it's a business as usual, Marquess of Queensbury rules, swamp creature, Romney, GOP.
	What we've really witnessed in the last 40 years Is a uniparty betraying working Americans?
	Because that's what I took home from your book.
	Is that really part of why Donald Trump became president and why you are an America First candidate endorsed by him?
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	I mean, if you think about it, one of the things, you think about what all the left and the right in this country has agreed on for the past 40 years.
	They've agreed on, you know, Wall Street taking a lot of Chinese money to buy up American assets.
	They've agreed on American trade policies that shift American manufacturing jobs to China, to Mexico and other places.
	They've agreed on an America last immigration policy, right, where you sort of open up the floodgates And you have people coming in competing with American workers for jobs.
	All these things destroyed communities like mine.
	And unfortunately, there wasn't really an opposition to it, right?
	There were a few voices.
	Patrick Buchanan was pushing back against this stuff.
	Ross Perot, and of course, you know, a New York real estate guy by the name of Donald Trump, even back in the 1980s, was critical of our trade policies in East Asia.
	So there were lone voices.
	But, man, we have had basically one party that has taken the country in the same direction, some faster than others, but it's been horrible.
	I mean think about China letting – or excuse me, America letting China into the WTO.
	That was a bipartisan decision.
	NAFTA was a bipartisan decision.
	So much of what's going on has frankly been both parties.
	It reminds me of one of my favorite jokes about politics, Seb.
	In Washington, we have an evil party called the Democrats and a stupid party called the Republicans.
	And every now and then they get together and do something that's both stupid and evil and call it bipartisanship.
	That's great.
	I like that.
	I'm going to use that and give you full credit.
	We've got a minute left.
	I have to ask you the big picture question.
	You are a Trump-endorsed America First candidate.
	Are you worried or do you feel optimistic?
	Have we together managed to turn the GOP into an America First party or is it still an uphill battle?
	We're turning.
	There's a lot of work to do.
	There's still a lot of rhinos out there, a lot of people who don't believe in actually protecting the American middle class and ensuring that people have a good life and push back against the craziness.
	The left has just gone so crazy and a lot of Republicans don't realize what time it is, but we're in a lot better place now than we were four years ago, and I think seven, a few years, we'll be in an even better place.
	We've just got to keep working it.
	It's up to us and candidates like this man.
	Go to his website jdvance.com, read his book Hillbilly Elegy and follow him jdvance1 on Twitter and congratulations on your endorsement.
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	I'm going to want to talk to you, Jeff.
	Okay.
	Okay, I want to talk to you before I go to calls.
	So what do we have?
	Check that.
	Okay, that should be going out to everything.
	Looks good.
	All right.
	What do these mics sound like when they get to the radio?
	Are they all right?
	It sounds kind of like... They sound like you're calling an audible or something.
	Yeah.
	Sounds like you're talking to a quarterback or... Yeah, it sounds like you're on a headset.
	Yeah.
	Blast from the past for you, right, Jeff?
	If we're on a pit crew?
	Sports raid.
	Or, I thought you said sport.
	JP said NFL, so I was like, yeah.
	Title for Vance, Seth?
	Absolutely.
	The field, not in the booth.
	The latest Trump approved candidate.
	So good.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	And just like this is how we can hear the rest of the crew in the breaks.
	So.
	Otherwise, I have had that turned down, so yeah, the rumble crew.
	Yeah, I think the rumble crew has said in the chat they would like to hear.
	So this isn't going out on Rumble?
	This is currently going out on Rumble.
	Oh, it is?
	Oh, hi Rumble people!
	How you guys doing?
	Oh, and while I'm talking to Geoff, before I go to calls, I'm gonna want you to play the Relief Factor B roll next to me, like you did just then.
	Yeah, that's how we always play, because, of course, it's a video of you.
	Well, we always have it in the box next to you, because it's footage of you, but you're also talking, so it'd be kind of weird if it was fullscreen.
	Yep, so he wants to do that before you go to Jeff, you said?
	No, while I'm talking to Jeff.
	While you're talking to Jeff, okay.
	I'll see where this is going.
	You've got it.
	One minute.
	I'll see where this is going.
	Okay, we've got... I've got to use these big stripy ties really work on TV.
	Oh yeah.
	Look at that.
	That pops.
	Fellowship and relief here, by the way.
	Yes, fellowship and then relief.
	Copy that.
	Forty seconds.
	Preferences, Geoff, on calls?
	Four isn't bad, the point.
	Yeah, I like that.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Okay, get ready here, JL.
	Do I risk taking the top off my Tervis tumbler?
	There may be two after that.
	It's always a risk.
	Go.
	Okay.
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	Okay, fascinating call on masks from New York.
	Ted, welcome to America First.
	Hi, guys.
	How are you doing?
	Wonderful show.
	I always love listening to you.
	Thank you, buddy.
	You know, the last guest you had, I know I have comments I want to say about the masking.
	If you have a second at the end, I'd love to tell you about why I voted for Trump.
	Yeah!
	Yeah, let's start with that.
	We've got enough time, so why did you vote for a guy who'd never run for office before?
	Because when I was a young construction inspector, and that's what I do for a living, I ended up at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, where we had a problem with water coming in the building.
	And Barbara Walters pulled that contractor that ruined the building out of mothballs.
	and put him on television with a story that I knew was a BS story.
	Okay?
	And I said, wow, they're trying to run this guy under.
	I was never interested in politics.
	I said, I've got to get together and vote for this guy.
	So because Barbara Walters back then tried to sabotage Donald Trump, the builder, Donald Trump, the entrepreneur, you said this is payback time.
	Well, not really payback.
	What happened was I knew it was a lie, and I don't like liars.
	And the reason I knew it was a lie is it was multiple contractors involved, okay?
	Now, the only guy that fought him about fixing the problem was the window guy.
	He took him to court, and he lost.
	Everybody else got to pay a little bit of money to help fix the problem.
	All right.
	Well, that's a fabulous story.
	Tell us why you rang about mosques today, Ted.
	Well, as again, I'm a construction inspector.
	Pre-COVID, for the N95, which they've been pushing on everybody, my college kid and everybody, I had to go to Dow Chemical Corporation's class in Texas and shave my beard and be fitted and trained how to properly use an N95 mask in order for me to go through some work time and not kill myself.
	Yeah, people don't realize that the N95, you can't just buy it, it has to be fitted to the individual user.
	Correct.
	And then these other masks that hang off you loosely, they're not going to do much, but they still restrict your oxygen.
	And I'd like to point out to people, because I called before, Dr. Gorka, and you sent me a lovely book.
	Thank you for that.
	I did some time at the World Trade Center.
	A lot of my co-workers at the time, all right?
	You mean after the attack?
	Yeah, after the attack.
	They were all wearing some kind of mask, some respirators, all right?
	And if them masks can't keep out particulates, they cause cancer.
	What hope do we have that a virus, which is much smaller in microns, is going to be affected by this?
	Why have I not heard this before?
	This is such an amazing point.
	God bless you, Ted.
	Those who worked for days, weeks, and months in the rubble trying to save people trapped after 9-11, they were wearing real respirators, and many of them, many of them,
	were sadly lost because of the things they breathed in that were particulates not tiny tiny viruses but actually physical dust particles asbestos you name it so how is that going to stop covid god bless you ted stay on the line he deserves more than a book let's get ted
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	Chad, line two, welcome to America First.
	Dr. Gorka, it's a pleasure, honor to speak with you.
	Very kind.
	What are you calling about?
	Yeah, just in regards to what you opened with.
	I am very grateful for that federal judge that ruled against the travel mandate.
	And I think what a lot of people push against is they think that, you know, just by hearing something like that, that They're going to force people not to wear masks, but what no mandate simply means is it's not mandatory.
	It's optional.
	So yeah, this is the crazy thing.
	If you want to wear a mask, if you want to wear one in bed, if you want to wear one when you're swimming, go ahead, wear it.
	Don't you think it kind of reveals their lack of confidence in their Vaccine and booster and mask.
	Exactly, exactly.
	If your mask works, then you can wear it forever.
	If it doesn't, then why were you wearing it?
	And if you've had one, two, three, four shots, then why do you need a mask, Chad?
	Yeah, yeah, that's exactly my understanding.
	And it's only a short time ago.
	A couple years ago, people used to travel all the time During flu season, even, knowing that the flu killed on average about 50,000 Americans every year.
	So this is the most disingenuous thing, when you hear people saying, well, I'm sick, I'm immunocompromised, or my children's unvaccinated.
	Well, hang on a second.
	What did you do three years ago?
	Did you not fly?
	Because if you flew then and you didn't wear a mask, then this is all show.
	It's just virtue signaling.
	Thank you, Chad.
	Let's go to our good buddy Victor in Silver Spring, line one.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Hey!
	I've been doing a lot of, see I told you so, to the neighbors.
	And what kind of reaction?
	What kind of reaction do you get, Victor?
	A couple of them cussed me out when I explained to them you voted for them.
	And another woman started crying.
	Crying?
	Why?
	Because I hurt her feelings.
	Because what?
	Because you were proven right?
	Yes.
	Oh, dear.
	So, well, this is what it's like living in the swamp.
	Anyway, what I wanted to tell you was, I know the Democrats are absolutely furious because, well, they wanted to keep this mask mandate going as long as they could.
	And then in October, say, OK, we're going to lift the mask mandate.
	Now vote for us in the midterms.
	Well, they can't do that now because A judge down in Florida took that away from them.
	Yeah, this is the delicious pecan cat 22 that faces the White House and the Democrats.
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	We are here to alleviate their confusion, right?
	So the CDC continues to advise and recommend masks on airplanes.
	We're abiding by the CDC recommendations, the President is, and we would advise all Americans to do that.
	So we have to talk about Peter Doocy for one second.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Is he a stupid son of a bitch, or does he play a stupid son of a bitch on TV?
	Okay.
	Well, he works for a network.
	Okay.
	That provides people with questions that nothing personal to any individual, including Peter Doocy, but might make anyone sound like a stupid son of a bitch.
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	The Biden administration announced that the Transportation Security Administration will no longer enforce the federal mandate requiring masks in all U.S.
	Airports, non-board aircraft.
	Woo! Woo! Woo!
	Finally!
	Effective.
	Go now.
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	Woo!
	Open your eyes.
	Woo!
	I think that Stuart is rather happy there.
	It's not just the passages after hundreds of captains across America announced yesterday the mask mandate has been struck down by a federal judge.
	Why did we have one in the first place?
	It's that time of the week we are delighted to have with us co-host of the Scholars in Sense podcast, author of Donald J. Trump, a president like no other, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	Lord Black, I presume you two are very happy, given the decision that occurred yesterday?
	Yeah, well, I'm normally not a flyer on American airlines, and the airlines I do fly on don't, you know, they weren't quite as rigorous as yours were, but yes, I think that it is a very killing thing to see the, no matter what the audience, These tremendous expressions of relief when they're informed they don't have to wear masks anymore.
	And the best, I thought, was a group of schoolchildren about, I don't know, six weeks or so ago, where the teacher just said, well, you don't have to wear the masks anymore.
	And they just, you know, jumped up and down and ran around in jubilation, high-fiving each other and hugging each other and doing cartwheels and things.
	It was hilarious.
	But that basically is what everybody in the pub, and we're not always energetic, You know, as 10-year-olds, but that's the public reaction, I think.
	And that does create a rather delicious catch-22, does it not, for the Biden administration?
	I think they look completely absurd.
	They're trying to cling to something that nobody wants, that doesn't work, that has been completely debunked, and now has been ditched by the courts.
	But won't the radical wing of the party take umbrage at the administration if they don't try to appeal this federal decision in a higher court?
	I suppose they would.
	Look, I have to confess, I'm not the best person to judge their reaction because I'm so antagonistic to them in most respects anyway.
	I suppose they would, but at some point, somebody around the White House has got to give at least a passing thought to the idea of political self-preservation.
	I mean, are they on a suicide mission, or are they trying to function as a continuing administration?
	Well, that is the question.
	Are they on a suicide mission?
	Are they hostages to their own ideology?
	I think that could be the subject of your next book.
	Well, some of them are, but surely the whole regime isn't.
	But again, I don't know.
	I mean, Sebastian, you're sitting there right in the midst of it.
	You would know better than I. And I must say that to judge from their conduct to date, their sense of political self-preservation is extremely limited.
	Yeah, I mean, there doesn't seem to be any inkling of an indication that they understand that their policies are not popular or they need to have some kind of reassessment, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's inflation, energy, the border.
	Do you see any glimmer of rational thought?
	I see.
	This is probably not relevant to the kind of things you're talking about that affect the voters very directly.
	I hope I see a slight bit of it in the Defense Department.
	From the Secretary of Defense, you know, he said the Chinese are not 10 feet tall.
	He seems, maybe I'm grasping at straws, but Secretary Austin seems to me, despite my extremely low opinion of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and he retains for some reason, seems to me to be purposeful, and has some sort of serious view of the American national interest in the world and the need to defend it unapologetically.
	But no, for the rest, I don't see any of it.
	I mean, every time I see one of these people on television, I'm horrified.
	And this man, Becerras, is such an enthusiast for abortions, I'm surprised he hasn't advocated that men try and have them.
	And Mayorkas, the Homeland Security Secretary, I mean, how he has any credibility left?
	As a man who told us over a year ago that the border was closed and would remain closed, I don't know.
	But the answer is no.
	I don't see any progress in any other place except possibly at the Pentagon.
	Yeah.
	Let us turn, Lord Black, to the area you know so very well as the former head of the Hollinger Group.
	How many newspapers belong to your group, Lord Black?
	Ah, well, daily newspapers, all countries combined, at our height, about almost 200.
	Wow.
	Which was the largest, I believe, of any company, but many of them are quite small.
	Although the big ones were big, like the London Daily Telegraph.
	And then weekly newspapers, we had a couple of hundred of those as well.
	All right.
	So as a person who had to manage famous magazines like the spectator.
	So as a person who had to helm that ship in control of 200 publications, I have to dive into a story that's one of the leading stories here in America.
	It has to do with journalistic ethics.
	The Washington Post, there is a journalist called Taylor Lorenz, who in the past has said that doxing, revealing the identity of private citizens or even public figures like journalists is a bad thing.
	This individual, with her colleagues from the Post, has gone to the homes of private individuals related to an anonymous Twitter account called the Libs of TikTok.
	This account has more than 600 followers and all it does, it doesn't do commentary, it doesn't do political analysis, it simply shows the videos of liberals being liberals.
	So pro-critical race theory, pro-transgender, so it's a primary source material Twitter account that some on the left seem to take umbrage with so they wanted to dox the woman who is behind this account who so far has stayed anonymous.
	First things first, before I get your reaction, this is the journalist You feel like any little piece of information that gets out on you will be used by the worst people on the internet to destroy your life.
	ago talking of the dangers of herself being doxxed.
	This is Cut 8, Washington Post's Taylor Lorenz.
	You feel like any little piece of information that gets out on you will be used by the worst people on the Internet to destroy your life.
	And it's so isolating.
	And terrifying.
	It's horrifying.
	I'm so sorry.
	You're fine.
	You're fine.
	It's overwhelming.
	It's really hard.
	So that's the Washington Post's own journalist saying she doesn't want to be doxxed, have her private address revealed, but she did exactly the same to, I presume, a conservative Twitter account owner.
	From the point of journalistic ethics, could you respond to this story that is driving the news cycle here?
	Uh, yeah, look, we never had anything to do with that kind of thing.
	I think it's completely deplorable and reprehensible.
	But I'm not sure what you can do about it officially, because I suppose that doxxing is, as long as it doesn't amount to actionable trespass, is an exploitation of right of freedom of expression.
	I mean, I suppose But, I mean, if by doxxing we mean also the, which in goodness knows there's no shortage of this either, the harassment of people in their homes and making noise and disturbing them and constantly ringing their doorbells and that kind of thing, I mean, that does constitute being a nuisance and I think should be something that can be legally restrained.
	But as to the ethics of it, of course, it's an outrage.
	It's a complete outrage and a disgrace.
	And it shouldn't be done to anyone, even... I mean, never mind a mainstream person, which I'm, for our purposes, interpreting as a wide range from people who support this administration to people who are quite hostile to it.
	But really, I think it's a disgrace.
	And an organization like the Washington Post should have nothing to do with it.
	What would have happened to somebody working for the Hollinger Group as a journalist who did that to a private individual and went to the homes of their relatives?
	Well, the first time they did it, they'd get a warning not to do it again, and if there was a second time, they'd be out.
	We are talking to the former head of the Hollinger Group in more than 200 newspapers and magazines.
	We seem to lack that journalistic ethics here in the mainstream media.
	He is the co-host, along with Victor Davis Hanson, and Bill Bennett of the podcast Scholars and Sense.
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	200 newspapers.
	That must have been the biggest ever, no?
	I think it was, yeah.
	But again, I have to say, a lot of them are quite small.
	We had the Chicago Sun, and we had the biggest newspapers in Canada and Australia.
	Yeah, the story of how you started buying them when you were a young man is fascinating.
	Yeah.
	I loved the business, but then when I really It came prominent in the business.
	I realized it wasn't a growth industry anymore, so it was always an interesting business, but it ceased to be a commercially very good business.
	By the way, Sebastian, I would be surprised if Jeff Bezos personally would approve of doxxing.
	I don't know him well, but I've met him a few times, and I don't agree with him politically, but I think he's a decent man, and I think he would disapprove of that.
	Well, if there were ramifications for such behavior, I may give him the benefit of the doubt, but I just don't see any negative ramifications for journalists like this Taylor woman.
	You know, it looks like you're right.
	I mean, if they'd make a habit of it, then obviously he's just determined not to intervene no matter how How poor a reflection that kind of conduct is on him personally.
	And it is.
	Yeah.
	And we're going to discuss this next, but the irony of having the Washington Post write these scaremonger articles about how you can't have a billionaire gaining control of a media platform like Twitter when they don't realize, I guess, who owns the Washington Post is more than a tad ironic.
	Well, the previous owner wasn't exactly a pauper either, you know?
	And she was a very nice lady, but she wasn't masquerading as a welfare case.
	Right.
	And look, I've never forgiven, and I think we've never got to the bottom of the Washington Post's role in the whole Watergate business.
	I mean, most of what Woodward and Bernstein published were absolute lies.
	And they're still living off the benefits of the renown they achieved at that time, courtesy of the Nixon haters.
	And it's not a record to be proud of, in my opinion.
	We should probably mention that, when we're back on radio.
	Yeah, well, embrace it if you have, you know.
	Toss it out there.
	It's a subject I'm happy to talk about.
	Okay, excellent.
	And I had these exchanges with Kay Graham.
	I mean, I knew her well, and she was a very nice person.
	But she had a blind spot in some of this stuff.
	I don't think she'd be up for doxxing anybody.
	And she was a publisher who was directly involved in the paper.
	And I think she would not have stood for such a thing.
	Standby, 40 seconds.
	You've got the image of Lord Black's books, Eric?
	Good.
	Good, good, good.
	Yep.
	Excellent.
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	He is the author of a veritable library of books, every single one of them, which is worth your time.
	The most recent is Donald J. Trump, a president like no other.
	But he has three other presidential works.
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	Lord Black, I have to discuss, oh first things first, in the break you mentioned the reputation of the Washington Post.
	You've written a work on Nixon.
	Could you just give us your historic understanding of the reporting of Watergate and why so many people misunderstand what they actually wrote and why the conventional wisdom on that reportage is so wrong?
	Yeah, it's, of course, a complicated subject, but to be fair about it would convince it a great deal.
	There has never been one shred of probative evidence that a serious court in a dispassionate atmosphere would accept as conclusive that Mr. Nixon himself committed any crimes.
	He certainly didn't know anything about the break-in at the Watergate.
	forced entry before it happened, and was horrified when it did happen, and that his people had anything to do with it.
	And the so-called cover-up consisted of his admittedly not telling the truth to the public several times.
	That is true.
	But, you know, presidents do that, you know, sometimes.
	And he wasn't under oath, and it wasn't a crime.
	He squandered A lot of political capitalists, he himself admitted that it wasn't a crime.
	And the case against him rests essentially on the theory that money was advanced by the Republican National Committee with his approval to pay for the legal bills of defendants in the Watergate affair.
	And he did do that, but he didn't do, and he did authorize it, but not under any basis of altered testimony, not to get them to tell anything other than the truth.
	He was paying the money to them so that they would have their legal fees paid, be able to take care of their families while the trials went on, and wouldn't be absolute sitting ducks for prosecutors saying, all right, we'll do a plea bargain, we'll let you off lightly, but you denounce the people above you and take it straight up to the Oval Office door, which is
	The way the prosecutors work, particularly in the District of Columbia, which, as you know, is a 90% Democratic voting electoral district.
	And the prosecutors would be—they're always out to get a Republican.
	So Nixon said, well, all right, well, if they did this—unlawful though some, but obviously it was—if they did it thinking they were serving The election, and the National Committee can pay their legal bills, but not conditionally on the land.
	He never said that.
	No one ever said that.
	And the fact is, what happened was the media then was even, well, just as rabidly hostile to the administrations it was under President Trump, and maybe not quite as hostile until they saw blood and thought they could really get Nixon, and they saw it to be a threat to them.
	And they did get him.
	Now, Mr. Nixon himself conceded he made a number of bad mistakes.
	He manfully admitted his mistakes and resigned his office, even though he felt passionately unnoticed from knowing in his latter years, and from studying it carefully and written about it, that he didn't commit any crimes.
	But he did not feel the United States should be subjected to the indignity of an impeachment of a president.
	There had not been such a thing for over a century.
	And he felt that it would disserve the country.
	So instead of standing in the way of it, he would clear out and let this terrible controversy rise up and fester to go away.
	Yes.
	And, you know, he took the patriotic stance, as he did in 1960 when he declined President Eisenhower's urges to contest a very serious election.
	Yes.
	And so but the Washington Post, and in particular Woodward and Bernstein, have lived off this now for 50 years.
	And it's a prod.
	It's an absolute prod.
	And most of what they wrote was a prod.
	The record has to be set straight.
	If you want to know more, please do read Lord Black's book on Richard Nixon.
	In the couple of minutes we have left with you, Lord Black, how amused are you, as a former publisher of so many outlets, that a man who is calling for more freedom of speech who has made an offer of more than $40 billion for Twitter, is being lambasted by the establishment media for being a threat to freedom of speech.
	Well, it is, isn't it, a perfect illustration of the utter self-serving hypocrisy of these people.
	I mean, I have concerns about whether this bid will succeed.
	And I see they're already starting with the poison pill and so on.
	But I think the winner loses on the bid.
	Look, if he loses on the bid, you'll still get rid of the stock at a profit, I think.
	As a green mailer, it'll work, even though I don't think that was his intention.
	So Musk is not going to lose money on this.
	But if his bid isn't successful, It will be a public relations success, because to answer your question, everyone can see the absolute hypocrisy of this cartel complaining that an incomer is saying we should open things up and not be so swift to cancel people, even while we continue to carry the outrageous comments of the ayatollahs of Iran and so forth.
	This person has made his point.
	So I think At least it's going to be a double black eye for the social media oligarchic cartel.
	And at best, Musk actually will get control of Twitter and we'll get some real competition.
	Well, it's a very exciting time to be alive.
	We will be following it very closely.
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	You think he has a shot?
	I I do, I do.
	It just depends how far he's prepared to take it.
	I mean, I think they can Well, I think that's likely, too.
	I think he's got a good shot, but it'll escalate.
	going to jump in with him.
	I think, you know, there's already rumblings that are other people who want to join him.
	Well, I think that's likely, too.
	I think he's got a good shot, but it'll escalate.
	But what will not work, I think, is that.
	is the claim of the cartel that Musk is a menace to free speech.
	I mean, that's like Biden's that Putin is causing inflation.
	In this atmosphere, biased and bigoted that the media are, particularly in social media, there's some things that you just can't do.
	You simply can't say black is white, stones fall upwards, you know, pigs fly and shrimps sink and have people believe it.
	Yeah.
	Fascinating.
	Fascinating stuff.
	thank you Conrad Okay.
	Always a pleasure, Sebastian.
	Talk to you next week.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye.
	Hang on.
	Do you want to do the thing again?
	The read again?
	Which one was it?
	Mules.
	yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo
	choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo
	choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo
	choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo
	choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo choo .
	Who's the best expert on Dr. Oz in the building?
	Mr. G?
	Alright.
	Is my camera out of focus?
	John L?
	Oh, 30 seconds.
	No, your face is in focus.
	The cups in front is a little bit out of focus.
	That's just the depth of field with the camera.
	Because it's a very narrow depth of view.
	Are we ready to take Clips 1 here, John L.?
	Thank you.
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	Gary in Los Angeles.
	Welcome.
	Line 4.
	I think I'm going to phrase you as Lord Sebastian following that.
	What?
	Sebastian?
	Lord!
	Lord?
	That's very kind.
	That's very kind.
	Well, it's appropriate, I think.
	Thank you.
	I think it was... I think... I'm so happy to be on.
	I think it was Ted, someone earlier, who talked about wearing masks at Ground Zero and how it didn't provide any real protection.
	Well, people got sick.
	People caught cancer from particulates that are much larger than a virus.
	So if the N95 didn't protect the workers at Ground Zero after 9-11, then how on earth is it going to stop you getting sick from COVID?
	Exactly.
	Thanks for the lead in.
	So last summer here in California, where I'm unfortunately located, Your condolences are welcome.
	The California Air Resources Board put out a flyer saying if individuals desire to wear a mask, only N95 or N100 respirator masks should be worn, but there's no clear evidence that they're going to work.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	The state of California said that?
	The California Air Resources Board.
	When I'm done, get me back to your guy and I'll email you two great graphics here.
	Yeah.
	So they said that smoke particles, which are much larger than viruses, cannot be prevented by these respirators.
	I need to see that graphic.
	Will you send that to Mr. G, Gary?
	I've got two, and I will.
	And I think the other one I'll send you I put together from two sources.
	Say that the smoke particulates are 20 to 38 times larger than the coronavirus.
	There's a fabulous video.
	I posted it months ago.
	I think you can probably find it again.
	It's on Twitter.
	It's an individual with a vape that of course is, again, smoke particulates, with three masks on, including a surgical mask.
	He takes a big, big, big pull on the vape, puts the masks on, three of them, Squeezes them down on his face, then exhales, and the smoke comes out everywhere.
	Through the mask, through the side of the mask.
	If that's smoke, then you know that the virus can get through.
	Stay on the line.
	We'll get those details.
	I want to see those images.
	Thank you, Gary.
	Let's go to our good buddy, Pepe in El Paso, line two.
	Welcome back, Pepe!
	Buenas tardes, I am very well.
	What topic brings you to our shows today, Pepe?
	Well, doctor, I have an observation and a question, if I may.
	Yeah.
	First of all, I have not, from the very beginning of this administration, have seen anybody from the president on down, or the supposed president, come out and tell us why all these policies are good for our national security.
	The border, Afghanistan, Russia, you name it, nobody has come out and at least given us the common courtesy to say, hey, this is why we're doing this and this is why we think it's good.
	They just force it upon us and expect us to eat it.
	So I wanted to hear your comment on that.
	And then my question is, with all of these destructive policies in place, I understand and I know that there is a lot of us that are fighting to win back our seats.
	But when, if not already, are we too far along to reverse trend?
	Great question.
	First one, they can't do that.
	They can't answer why these policies are good for national security and for America, because they hate America.
	I mean, this is the challenge we face.
	We are being led by an elite that hates America.
	When Obama's first thing is to go on an international apology tour apologizing for America, you understand the nature of the beast.
	How long does it take?
	How bad does it have to get before it is irreversible?
	You know, I don't think, Pepe, I understand the motivation for asking that question, but I don't think there's an empirical line.
	Why?
	Look at 1776.
	Look at Pearl Harbor.
	Look at 9-11.
	There are situations that look absolutely unrecoverable, and then what happens?
	The human spirit, the American spirit says, no, let's roll flight 93.
	It's that indomitable American spirit.
	So I think, you know, it's never too late because we are Americans and I know you and you are saving us and you are protecting us every single day.
	Thank you for what you do, Pepe.
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	That was really distorted.
	I don't know why.
	Now and again today it was distorted.
	I don't know why.
	But not all the time.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't let them dox anyone.
	Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
	Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. .
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It brings up a lot of stuff that everybody forgot about, too.
	Alright.
	You want to tee that up, probably?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	35 seconds.
	Yeah, I'll start to do, especially tomorrow, I'll start to bring our comms.
	In the breaks.
	Yeah, I can tell right now.
	I'm hearing it echoing, so that's how I know we're on Rumble.
	Make sure.
	Okay.
	Hi, Rumblers.
	Alright.
	25 seconds.
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	Okay, we have a question about a recent Trump endorsement.
	We had J.D.
	Vance on the show, I think is the most recent endorsee, but this is another one.
	Edward, Pennsylvania, welcome to America First.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	So, I didn't vote for Trump the first time because, like one of the other callers said, he didn't prove himself to me.
	He was friends with the Clintons, but he proved himself to me.
	No doubt in my mind, he's the guy.
	I voted for him in 2021.
	Sorry, I'm nervous.
	No, relax, relax, relax.
	You voted for him in 2020.
	in 2020.
	Go ahead.
	Yes.
	So I want to vote for who's going to support Pennsylvania the best to go And this Dr. Oz, I was listening and talking to people about him.
	Now Trump comes out and endorses him.
	I just think he's going to be a rhino.
	But if Trump's endorsing him, maybe I should rethink it because he spent most of his life in Jersey.
	So why does that make him a rhino?
	Tell us what you think makes him a rhino.
	Because Donald Trump lived in Manhattan, right?
	So you could say he could have been a rhino, but he wasn't.
	Well, he proved himself and maybe that's where I'm trying to, like, maybe I shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
	Because Trump was all the stuff that I didn't think was going to be a great guy, and he is.
	I mean, I think, truly, Trump loves this country.
	He didn't go into politics for money.
	He went into politics to save the country.
	He did, exactly.
	Well, let's ask Mr. G, who has a very interesting take on this.
	He has a very, very good political compass, and he can spot a rhino blindfolded So, Mr. G, you said something interesting about Dr. Oz and the cost of his decision.
	So what's your take?
	Yeah, I mean, people forget how big that daytime talk show he had for like 10 years.
	He was huge.
	He made so much money.
	The overwhelming audience there is liberals.
	They all hate him now for this.
	And the other thing is, if everyone's afraid that he's a rhino, he's a swamp creature, just wants to be a senator, for him to make that decision a couple years ago, it would have been so much easier for him to be elected as a Democrat instead of a Republican.
	I mean, he was one of the most famous doctors in America over the last 10 years.
	He could have been the guy pushing the vaccines for the last 18 months like Fauci.
	If he did that, he would have had a much better chance being elected as a Democrat than a Republican.
	So I actually think he's in it for the right things.
	What do you think, Ed?
	If he really was in it for the wrong reasons just to get the power with a massive daytime TV show with a liberal audience, he should have just said, OK, I'm running as a Democrat.
	And he didn't.
	And he's paid the cost.
	Isn't that showing you that he has a spine?
	Yeah, you're right.
	I mean, that makes more sense.
	All right.
	I appreciate it and thanks for taking my call.
	Stay on the line.
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	Let's go to Blake.
	Blake in Jacksonville, welcome to America First.
	Dr. G, I've sent you several emails about what's going on here in Jacksonville to take down the statues and you asked to get information so that people could help and really the only help I'm asking for is to people to reach out to me, organizations that reach out to me.
	So let's start with the basics.
	So who's targeting the statues and what are the statues, Blake?
	Okay, first of all, the people who are targeting the statues are BLM organizations.
	The one here in Jacksonville is called the Northeast Coalition.
	And oddly enough, our mayor, who was on with Brian Kilmeade, is part of that.
	His name is Lenny Curry.
	Hang on, hang on.
	He was on with Brian Kilmeade?
	Is he a Republican or is he a Democrat?
	Well, he's a Republican.
	And he's supporting the taking down of the statues?
	That's right, because we have an organization, and again, this is all information I've sent you by email and documented for you.
	There's a group here called the Civic Council, which has been putting its thumb on the scale over the last 5-10 years, and they're basically telling City Council what to do.
	Who's resisting?
	Is there anybody on your side?
	Who's pushing back, Blake?
	Well, while we have an overwhelming majority on City Council, we've got four councilmen who have been consistent In protecting history.
	And I don't want to mention their names.
	All that information you have.
	So why isn't that enough?
	What's going on?
	Well, there's a lot of complacency here.
	The bottom line is that the media that you see on the national level exists here in Florida, here in Jacksonville.
	When I talked with you last time, I called it the Politburo Mob Media.
	And they are just pounding this whole one-sided story about taking down the statutes.
	People have checked out.
	Blake, we need to take this to the next level, so stay on the line.
	I need you to give the names of those people who are in the council the strongest one.
	Perhaps we could get them on the show and either give them a little bit more gumption, a bit of backbone, or get them to justify why they're going along with this.
	We're going to check out that interview on Kill Me.
	This is why we're here for people like Blake to tell us what's happening across the country.
	This is a war for the soul of this nation.
	So stay on the line, tell Mr. G the names of the people involved so maybe we can get them in front of millions of listeners and viewers to tell us the truth about what's happening in the culture war in Jackson.
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	All right, I'll play the, oh, can you play me the Buck thing, Buck Sixten?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The Democrat Party has been using prosecutor's offices not just for social engineering, or you could say, for replacing- Alright, come, come in, come in with it.
	Come, come with it, yep.
	Criminal justice with.
	Oh, really? really?
	Yeah, like head front manager of long injury trying to marry Zina Powell.
	Oh, that's right.
	That's right.
	Dina Powell.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Wow.
	No, we're coming in with...
	No, we're coming in with that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So we'll come into the... ...john film.
	Yeah, third...
	No question.
	No question.
	Thank you.
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	The Democrat Party has been using prosecutor's offices not just for social engineering, or you could say for replacing criminal justice with social justice, but also as a weapon.
	I mean, the most prominent recent example of this is January 6th, where you have people, let's remind ourselves, they're held because they're either supposed to be a threat to the public, which I don't think any person actually believes is based in any reality when you're talking about January 6th, Right.
	Or a flight risk, which also seems quite strange considering many of them have already pleaded and have gotten months.
	One just actually got off entirely because he was waved into the Capitol.
	But look at the way the DOJ was weaponized against Donald Trump before that.
	In fact, I would say Republicans have gotten far too used to this, whether it's Governor Scott Walker up in Wisconsin and the John Doe laws being used to go after him, Chris Christie in Bridgegate.
	They wanted to lock up Governor McDonnell, former Governor McDonnell, Virginia's wife For taking gifts, if you all remember that at one point.
	They wanted to go after Rick Perry when he was the governor of Texas.
	These are all prosecutions, by the way, that were either in part or in total dramatic overreach, and it always seems to go one way.
	That is our good buddy Buck Sexton, former NYPD, former CIA, being very accurate.
	They're weaponizing federal law enforcement against Americans because they're conservatives.
	If you want to hear what we do about it, how we fix it, it's one of our one-on-ones.
	Last week it's Joe DeGeneva, Victoria Tunsing.
	They know what to do to fix it.
	Make sure that you are subscribed to America First one-on-one.
	Go to Spotify, go to Rumble, look for My Name America First.
	You need to hear that one-on-one.
	Let's squeeze in a few more calls.
	Let's go to Jim, Arizona.
	Dr. Gorka?
	Yes!
	You had a gentleman on last week, I've been trying to get in since then, that was really in Washington D.C.
	and I can't remember who he was, but he was very upset because the governor of Texas Yes, it was Ken Cuccinelli.
	It was two days ago, one day ago.
	What's the issue?
	He said that Abbott is just doing theatre, busing illegal immigrants to DC.
	Why do you disagree with Ken?
	Because it's the right place for them to be.
	No, the right place for them to be is back home where they came from.
	That's true, but who opened the border?
	Doesn't matter.
	They don't stay in D.C.
	It's like a field trip with high school.
	They're not arrested.
	They get a free ride to D.C.
	and then they can go wherever they want.
	So how does that solve anything, Jim?
	It doesn't solve anything, Dr. Gorka, but maybe those people in Washington, D.C.
	would get a belly full of it like we are out here in the West.
	But how?
	How are they going to get a belly full of it when they're sitting behind their 20-foot-high gated communities with their security guards?
	When they're walking around in the streets?
	What, Nancy Pelosi?
	Are you kidding me?
	Are you kidding me, Nat?
	Walking around in the streets.
	You live on another planet, Jim.
	No, I'm living in reality.
	I'm living in real life.
	She doesn't walk around getting her groceries, Jim.
	It's a stunt!
	I understand that, but... It's a stunt!
	Come on, they need to be sent back to where they came from.
	They're illegal aliens, not going on high school school trips to the nation's capital to say hi to Lincoln and Jefferson.
	Come on, Jim, you know I'm right.
	This is America First.
	There you go.
	.
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh, Jeff?
	Let's have some of these posts that give Cassio, uh...
	Six, Troy Reeves. And Buck, Six, and Seven.
	Six, Troy Reeves. Troy Reeves.
	Six, Troy Reeves.
	...convince you to believe in something that isn't real and to doubt your own senses.
	Let me give you an example from the man who sadly bears the title President of the United States.
	It sounded like you told U.S.
	troops they were going to Ukraine.
	It sounded like you said it was possible the U.S.
	would use a chemical weapon.
	And it sounded like you were calling for regime change in Russia.
	And we know... None of the three occur.
	And you're gonna see when you're there, some of you have been there, you're gonna see, you're gonna see women, young people, standing in the middle of the front of a damn tank, just saying, I'm not leaving.
	I'm holding my ground.
	If chemical weapons were used in Ukraine, would that trigger a military response from NATO?
	It would trigger a response in kind.
	For God's sake!
	This man cannot remain power.
	Those clips are within four days of each other, that we're going to have a regime change in Moscow, the 82nd Airborne are going to see for themselves what's happening in Ukraine on the ground, and that we will use chemical weapons, a response in kind against Moscow.
	And then he denies all of it.
	That is the definition of gaslighting.
	What do you need to know about the largest conflict on the Eurasian landmass since 1945, with the largest displacement of refugees we have seen since World War II?
	Let's talk to our very special America First one-on-one guest in studio, Rebecca Koffler.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you very much.
	It's such a pleasure to be here with you and your America First American Patriots.
	Thank you kindly.
	We're so glad to have you here because you have a new book that you have written the foreword to.
	It is, where's my main camera, it is Zelensky, the first major profile of Ukraine's president, Vladimir Zelensky.
	The unlikely Ukrainian hero who defied Putin and united the world, written by Andrew Urban and Chris McLeod, and with your foreword.
	Before we jump into the book, which, full disclosure, is from my publishers, The Great Regnery, and I didn't even know about it, but I'm glad it has appeared.
	Today, being launched today.
	For those who missed your prior appearances on the show, walk us through your credentials, your work with the CIA, the DIA, and your expertise on Russia.
	Just give us a summary of your bio, Rebecca.
	Sure.
	I served as a Senior Intelligence Officer for Russian Doctrine and Strategy in the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is the military counterpart to CIA.
	We provide support to our war fighters.
	And, consequently, also to our Commander-in-Chief, who is in charge of our armed forces.
	I also worked with the Central Intelligence Agency's National Clandestine Service on the Russian target.
	So anything from Putin, his mindset, his goals... The National Clandestine Service, that's the renaming of the DO, the Director of Operations.
	So these aren't just the analysts, these are the actual officers who are doing operations overseas.
	100% true, and I was proud to serve with these officers.
	They're the most dedicated, the most fearless, and they're the ones who don't politicize intelligence.
	They just want to do the mission and protect American people from foreign threats.
	And explain also in your bio, I recall that it also describes the fact that you were doing red teaming for these agencies.
	Explain to our millions of listeners and viewers the concept of red teaming.
	Who are you pretending to be when you red team?
	Of course.
	So, wargaming is the standard part of the intelligence analytic process.
	So the red team is typically an adversary.
	In my case it would be Russia, since my expertise is in Russia, Putin, Ukraine, Eurasia.
	And it can also be China, you know.
	So red team and then blue team is the good guys.
	It's us.
	So I typically either participated or led.
	Red teams, which means I played either Putin or some senior commander.
	You were the bad guy.
	I was the bad guy.
	But the reason I was the bad guy, obviously, is not only because of my expertise, but because I'm also Russian-born.
	My cognitive process was formed over there.
	Putin does not think like an American.
	Despite what many analysts think, they try to attribute, project the same type of thinking on Putin.
	He's not an American.
	Russians don't think like Americans.
	And that's why I provided value to the blue team by feeding them the understanding of how Putin's think, what is his next move, so that they can take advantage of that knowledge.
	Right.
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	Before we talk about who Zelensky is, how he's very adroitly using his training in media to try and get the Western allies as involved as possible, Talk to us about the last six weeks.
	Every day there's another report.
	The Minister of Defense poisoned two senior chief intelligence directors under house arrest.
	Twenty other leading Russian officials apparently disappeared.
	This is not going As the former KGB colonel Vladimir Putin expected.
	Is it, Rebecca?
	Absolutely not.
	The blitzkrieg that Putin expected, decapitating Kiev, i.e.
	eliminating Zelensky, killing him or capturing him, never happened.
	Replacing him with a supplicant puppet.
	That was the plan, correct?
	That was the original plan.
	Everybody thought that, including the Pentagon, our intelligence agencies.
	That never happened.
	Everyone was surprised.
	Putin miscalculated on three things.
	He miscalculated on the Ukrainians' will to fight.
	These people are slavs, right?
	They fight like crazy.
	There's tremendous animosity towards Putin.
	Second, Putin miscalculated Zelensky's personal leadership, his personality, his ability to galvanize the entire Western world.
	Not just the leadership, but also financial leaders.
	Instruments.
	It's not good if you're fighting somebody who can give a live teleconference speech broadcast to the Congress, is it?
	That's not good for you.
	You nailed it, exactly.
	Zelensky has been incredible at his ability to really utilize social media.
	He's like the maestro, the conductor playing the orchestra.
	And then the third thing that Putin miscalculated is the ability of his forces to tactically outmaneuver Ukrainians.
	Because Ukrainians have been receiving training from us, from the blue, from the good guys, And they've been receiving special military hardware from us that has produced devastating effect.
	Now, Putin still is not giving up.
	Even though Russian forces are not tactically as brilliant as American forces, Putin still is achieving his strategic goal.
	Let me ask you, how much of the failure of Russian forces is down to corruption inside the Russian military?
	There's quite a substantial, you know, corruption aspect.
	The money wasn't getting to where it needed to be.
	The money specifically wasn't getting to the FSB, to the Foreign Intelligence part of the FSB, Federal Security Service.
	And their specific mission was to infiltrate the Ukrainian government and foment, you know, a group of people who were pro-Russian, feed intelligence, but Specifically, to really turn around Ukraine from a Western-leaning country into the country that would go back under Moscow's control.
	Putin's original mission.
	And in that, he failed.
	Now, there's also been a lot of mirror imaging, Sabin.
	You know what that means?
	We'll talk about mirror imaging in my work in the Defense Department and working with the intelligence analysts across numerous agencies in the United States.
	It doesn't matter what topic I was talking about.
	The first thing was mirror imaging is America's greatest weakness.
	We look at others, whether it's the Taliban, whether it's the Mullahs, whether it's Putin, and we think, oh, well, it works here in America like this, therefore it must work like that in Tehran or Moscow.
	It does not.
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	So let's dive straight in with regards to Zelensky, the accusations made against Zelensky and the narrative that Putin is still using to justify this invasion, which is an invasion.
	They've called this small Jewish comedian who lost members of his family in the Holocaust, they're calling him a Nazi out of the Kremlin.
	How important is this narrative when you're selling an invasion to the Russian citizenry to say, we're fighting Nazis that don't exist in Ukraine?
	Well, Putin is a master propagandist, right?
	He specifically chose that narrative, although it's illogical.
	Zelensky can't possibly be a Nazi, because at least three members of his family, his great-grandfather and, or even four, three brothers, were murdered in the Holocaust, right?
	But Putin knows that this is a hot button for the Russians, because they lost 20 million people in what we call the World War II, and the Russians call it the Great Patriotic War.
	The Russians hate Nazis, right?
	So if you say we're fighting Nazis for the Motherland, then it's very hard to say, oh, that's not good, or that can't be true.
	You have to buy in because of the history of World War II.
	Exactly, they're all in.
	So when he says special operation to demilitarize, to denazify, that resonates, okay?
	Now, Whether the Russians support Putin or not, they're really not pro-war.
	Right now, after they have seen all the atrocity, they've seen Putin, you know, targeting maternity hospital.
	But do they see that because media is state-controlled?
	Are they seeing the footage of Mario Paul and the maternity clinic?
	Is that being shown on state TV?
	No, they don't have the clear picture.
	So only people who have access to that information through Western sources, you know, somebody let's say has a relative or a friend in the West, they get information.
	That's how they get.
	Because just like we, regretfully, banned Russian media from here, effectively decapitating our own ability to collect open source intelligence, which is extremely, extremely important.
	So the Russians do the same.
	They keep their people in the dark.
	But even now that the information is trickling down, people understand, no, we don't want that war.
	And that's why we're seeing some protests.
	Exactly.
	That's why we see some protests.
	Will these protests actually gain momentum and grow to the point where Putin will be removed?
	No, absolutely not.
	That's pure mirror imaging.
	That's not how Russian things work in Russia.
	Putin is an assassin.
	This is why he went and had that huge rally where he basically got... In the stadium.
	In the stadium, right.
	On the anniversary of the invasion of Crimea, just a few weeks ago.
	Exactly!
	With those grandmothers paid to hold up a, you know, glory to the motherland.
	Right, right.
	Explain to us why Ukraine, why it's so crucial.
	One person, let me run this by you, you know, as the former chief for Russian issues at the DIA.
	Somebody said to me, Ukraine, which most people don't understand, literally is a breadbasket.
	If you look at fertilized production, vegetables, exports of foodstuffs to Africa and elsewhere, it truly is one of the highest exporters of foodstuffs and agricultural stuffs to the world.
	But here's the phrase I want to run by you.
	Somebody said, without Ukraine, Russia can never be an empire again.
	And if you want to create an empire, you have to have this fertile, huge piece of territory.
	Why is Ukraine so crucial to Vladimir Putin?
	That is exactly correct.
	Whoever said that without Ukraine, Russia cannot be an empire, or what Putin calls it, is the Union.
	Remember, his ultimate goal is to reconstitute a supranational alliance similar to the USSR.
	As a counterweight to the European Union, he already has a counterweight to NATO, which is called CSTO, Collective Security Treaty Organization.
	Remember, this is a war not between Russia and Ukraine, this is a proxy war between Russia and the United States and NATO, or even going broader as Atlanticism and Eurasianism.
	So Ukraine is crucial to Putin from two standpoints.
	Is what you described, you know, economically.
	This is the breadbasket.
	This is why, regretfully, right now we are hit with the third-order consequences that our own incompetent Biden administration officials did not precalculate.
	We're experiencing high, you know, spike in gas prices.
	Hiking food prices because of the fertilizer you just mentioned, right?
	This is exactly why it's important for Putin.
	But the second reason is Ukraine is part of what the Russians have called a strategic security perimeter, or the buffer zone.
	And that aspect is not covered in our traditional Western media, in the mass media.
	Is that the same as what he referred to as the near abroad for ages?
	Yes, yes.
	So a buffer zone that he controls, the future of which cannot change unless he says so.
	Correct.
	So look at what, with NATO's acceptance of the Baltic, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania, the distance between NATO forces and St.
	Petersburg, which is the second largest city in Russia and was even a capital, has reduced from 1,000 miles to 100 miles.
	That is shorter than between New York and Washington.
	But the logic is flawed because the logic of needing a buffer zone only stands if you believe NATO's going to invade a country of 11 time zones with 5,000 nukes.
	So it doesn't matter how close your territory is, NATO doesn't invade nations with 5,000 nuclear warheads.
	It's his narrative, isn't it?
	Oh, it's totally his narrative, and he's thinking, and not just his, Seb, it's the entire, you know, Russian national security apparatus.
	They didn't just come up with this narrative, they do threat forecasting 50 years out, and they already concluded that a war between Russia and the US is inevitable, and when you have this assessment, every action that we take Is interpreted through that prism, yes.
	I'm going to ask you about that Kotori, the Siloviki, the people around Putin momentarily.
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	We're going to talk about the book Zelensky that you've written the foreword for, but first have to get a couple of things out of the way.
	Putin isn't crazy.
	I mean, we have these reports.
	He's crazy.
	He's sick.
	He's using steroids.
	He's been planning this for over a decade, no?
	Absolutely!
	Over almost 20 years, ever since he has become president, he never actually made it a secret, said, you know this, every single speech, every single press conference, every single strategic planning document, such as military doctrine, national security strategy, and the list goes on and on.
	He was very, very clear what he wanted to do.
	It's just, for whatever reason, we weren't listening.
	I personally briefed, scores and scores, Pentagon officials under the Obama administration.
	And we were told, well, why are you talking to us about war with Russia?
	We're not going to go to war with Russia.
	We want to reset with Russia.
	And remember that... Clinton, right.
	And Lavrov.
	Lavrov.
	They trotted out this stupid little gadget from... Mistranslated switch that says overcharge.
	Right.
	I know.
	So that fell on deaf ears.
	We were not prepared.
	And this has become very evident now that Biden has only one gadget in his toolkit, sanctions.
	And he himself even acknowledged the sanctions were not going to destroy Putin.
	Well, why weren't you prepared?
	You had at least 10 years to develop a deterrence strategy similar to the one that President Ronald Reagan developed, and it worked.
	Let's talk about the latest news this weekend, nuclear weapons.
	There was a Russian war gaming exercise, I think it was 2012 or 2013, that involved Belarus, NATO and eventually The Russian use of tactical nukes against Poland.
	When Zelensky says Putin may use nukes, is this just a man trying to get the West even more engaged?
	Or is it possible now that the Politburo does not exist and doesn't control nuclear weapons, that the general staff of Russia thinks this might be an option?
	Oh, absolutely.
	It's both.
	Yes, Zelensky, no question, wants to garner support.
	His country is under attack.
	It's been annihilated, wiped out off the map, you know, just like what Putin is doing.
	But the truth is, Zelensky is correct in his assessment of the Russian military doctrine.
	And what Peskov said, Putin's press secretary, his publicist, is not true.
	Yes, technically, when Christiane Amanpour, the CNN reporter, asked him to rule out the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine, he said, well, we have a doctrine, but it's only under existential threat.
	Wittingly or unwittingly, Joe Biden has recently just green-lighted, you know, for the use of nuclear weapons.
	How?
	He called for regime change, right?
	Also, he's calling for genocide.
	But this is exactly what the Russians have been suspected all along, is that it's how official policies regime change.
	And so they are now saying, well, the West is waging a total war against Russia.
	Let me just unpack that.
	So when Biden makes this comment that is walked back 24 hours later by the White House, but when he says, you know, somebody remove this man from the Kremlin, that for the Kremlin is, well, we told you so, and this is now existential.
	Therefore, nukes can be justified.
	Correct.
	That's exactly correct.
	And they're also putting it in the context of everything else.
	It's not just Biden.
	Senator Lindsey Graham, a few weeks ago, basically called on the Russian people to remove Putin.
	Why doesn't somebody get rid of him?
	Exactly.
	It feeds into paranoia.
	And also their threat assessment.
	We're talking to the individual who's written the foreword to the book, Zelensky.
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	So we have to discuss the subject of this book that you've written the foreword for.
	It is Zelensky, the unlikely Ukrainian hero who defied Putin and united the world.
	Comedian, actor, the star of this series that I've watched.
	It's actually available on Netflix.
	I'm brushing up on my Ukrainian, where he plays a high school teacher who, through certain shenanigans, becomes the president of Ukraine.
	It is quite funny.
	This individual Hasn't run away.
	He's not like the president of Afghanistan when we surrendered, who took, you know, millions if not billions of dollars and left the country he was elected to represent.
	Talk to us about what's in the book.
	I understand they're not exactly conservative authors, but one of them has relatives in Ukraine.
	Andrew Urban lived in, or escaped, communist Hungary.
	What is the thesis of the book and what should all Americans know about the man who is fighting Russia Of course.
	So the book is making tremendous contribution to the Americans' knowledge about who Zelensky really is, precisely because of the fact that we are at war today, which is not just about Ukraine and Russia, it is between a proxy war between Russia and the United States.
	If we're sanctioning Russia, if we're giving weapons to Ukraine, I'm sorry, we're involved.
	100%.
	People have called for a no-fly zone.
	Well, the Russians would perceive such a thing as an act of war, and then we're actively involved.
	And the fact that we withdrew from Afghanistan after 20 years, having superior weaponry, having the best warfighting force in military history, our men and women, who are dedicated, but unfortunately are mismanaged by people like Mark Milley, who talked with the Chinese counterpart, right?
	So that kind of situation feeds into the Russians' understanding of how we fight.
	And this is why it's important for us that at any minute, any wrong move could trigger World War III, right?
	because of what we discussed in the previous segment about Russia's escalate to deescalate nuclear doctrine where they use tactical nuclear weapons with low yield in Ukraine, but then because nobody has ever used but then because nobody has ever used in a battlefield other than the United States in Japan, no one knows how it's gonna unfold, but war gaming, intelligence indicates it escalates very quickly.
	And this is why we need to know who Zelensky is.
	He has an extraordinary, multifaceted personality.
	He has exhibited tremendous leadership, statecraft.
	He's a statement who can put to shame a lot of others, like you said, the Afghani president, but he also displayed real heroism that our Western leaders, Joe Biden, can learn from.
	Yeah, it's quite sad.
	I mean, lots of others have jumped on the bandwagon.
	Biden hasn't.
	But to see Boris Johnson and Zelensky without body armor, without armored limousines, walking around downtown Kiev, which is a war zone, that's something.
	I mean, that's not just propaganda.
	You're actually walking around in a war zone.
	And that's statecraft.
	That's being a statesman.
	Statecraft, 100%, what a powerful picture.
	What a powerful picture.
	But Zelensky is a master of that.
	In the intelligence community, we use this type of statecraft as diplomatic, informational, and even disinformation in some sense.
	In Zelensky's case, since this is used for the good cause, this is a very robust public relations campaign.
	Interesting.
	So he's a modern man?
	won his presidency.
	He didn't have debates, he rejected debates.
	He used social media in a very, very creative manner.
	- So he's a modern man.
	- He's a modern man, unlike Putin, right, who's stuck in the-- - Who doesn't use computers.
	So, he's stuck in the pre-internet age.
	Zelensky has outmaneuvered and upstaged Putin in the information warfare department.
	You look at Zelensky putting translators to tears with his speeches, you know, to U.S.
	Congress, to British Parliament.
	He knows exactly what to say.
	He knows exactly what to show in these videos.
	He has won information warfare.
	That's a fascinating treatise all by itself to compare and contrast a pre-internet age head of a nation with 11 time zones and then this comedian who knows how to use social media.
	I think somebody needs to write that PhD thesis.
	Let me ask you about the scenarios that could end the war inside Russia.
	When people talk of regime change, which in and of itself is very dangerous because you never know who replaces the old guard, how successful has Putin been, whether it's Navalny, whether it's Khodorkovsky, how successful has he been in removing any organic internal how successful has he been in removing any organic internal Is he truly an emperor?
	Or is it possible, as in most dictatorships, that inside his inner circle somebody could say, OK, I'm losing too much money or my kid now doesn't get to go to college in Harvard.
	I'm going to poison this guy.
	Is he ironclad?
	Is he covered in Teflon?
	Or could there be a challenge to him inside the regime?
	So my professional assessment said that regime change is not viable right now.
	It's just not how things work in Russia.
	Because he's sorted it all out.
	Or people aren't prepared to challenge him.
	Look at this.
	He has authorized multiple poisoning assassinations.
	He has successfully been either removing or neutralizing opposition.
	Navalny.
	Boris Nemtsov.
	He even had authorized murders of Politkovskaya, and I know he denies it, but, you know, Anna Politkovskaya is the one who covered the war in Chechnya.
	The journalist who was shot on her doorstep.
	Exactly.
	So he, even some of the Russian nationalists who visited the United States, right in DuPont Circle, in the heart of Washington, Mikhail Lisin, was murdered.
	Yes, supposedly he died because he was drunk and hit himself somehow on the floor, but it's an open secret among FBI and security officials with whom you're familiar.
	He didn't bang his head on the carpet.
	People are afraid.
	But then, the second thing, the Sylviki, the securocrats, they're not gonna do that.
	They depend on him.
	He depends on them.
	And the oligarchs, again, they just either fear or, like, there's a long road between conceptualizing a poisoning or a murder and actually executing this.
	It does not.
	The Securocrats.
	I like that.
	That is excellent.
	Okay, we are discussing a brand new book out today, Zelensky, the Unlikely Ukrainian Hero Who Divided Putin and United the World, written by Andrew Orban and Chris McLeod, with the foreword by former DIA officer Rebecca Koffler.
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	I'm going to ask you, what is that type of literature?
	Magical realism, I think it is.
	Gabriel Marquez and the rest.
	I'm going to ask you a fantasy question, if I may, because I know it's not going to happen.
	If Biden were to listen to you, despite how the political elite has not listened to you for far too long and ignored your sage advice, Let's make it another.
	Another person is the president and we are where we are right now.
	What should America be doing differently when it comes to the war in Ukraine and then with regards to Russia in terms of everything else?
	So what needs to be done differently, Rebecca?
	Well, the first question, it depends on what it is that we want to achieve in Ukraine.
	See, that's a professional.
	That is a professional who says, hang on, I need to know what the objective is we wish to achieve.
	If we wish Ukraine to maintain independence, just say that is the strategic objective, what is America's role?
	Independence, if you mean by independence... A functioning nation.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Part of NATO or not part of NATO?
	Independence... Not under the thumb of Russia, let's say.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So, basically, right now, it's a very, very tough question, you know, Seb, and you know this, and I don't want to pretend that I actually know the answer.
	Because we've been sleeping at the wheel for 20 years.
	You can't on the fly come up with a deterrence strategy that takes years.
	Part of the reason why the Russians invaded Ukraine right now is because of our perceived vulnerabilities.
	It's not just because of the ambitions that Putin has.
	It's because of Afghanistan as well.
	Afghanistan, our computer network, communication networks are unsecure.
	They're at the kindergarten level, right?
	Space networks, satellite networks, right?
	On which we're dependent for every aspect of our warfighting capability.
	Biden is not capable of making a sensible decision.
	In fact, the Russian intelligence services have concluded him to be cognitively impaired and actually having dementia.
	The Russian intelligence services are saying that about Biden.
	Yes.
	There was just a piece produced in the Russian press that you know is under U.S.
	government control.
	Russian control.
	Russian government control, right?
	So, my intelligence indicates to me that the Russians
	have assessed him to be having dementia and they said there are five signs of dementia according to the World Health Organization and they articulated all the five signs and some of them is like forgetfulness and inability to make complete sentences and complete thoughts, behavioral issues such as aimless wandering, and three others.
	We're not going to go.
	But you asked me a specific question, what can be done, right?
	Deterrence strategies takes years.
	Now, right now, the Ukrainian position and the Russian position are irreconcilable because neither one of these very type A personality men, both Putin and Zelensky, very stubborn with an element of narcissism is each and tremendous personal disdain for each other.
	They don't want to give in.
	Zelensky said, I don't trade my people, I don't trade territory of Ukraine.
	He wants Crimea back.
	He wouldn't give Donbass.
	Donetsk and Luhansk.
	Exactly.
	Putin is not going to give Crimea back.
	So we are at a stalemate.
	Deadlock.
	Putin would agree to Ukraine neutrality, just like what he was asking, meaning that Ukraine will not become part of NATO.
	It's against our U.S.
	long-term policy, bipartisan.
	There's a reason why we're supporting Ukraine.
	It's part of U.S.
	strategic interest, maybe not vital interest.
	Some people argue whether it is or it isn't, but there's a highly classified U.S.
	policy used to be highly classified.
	Now it's not in the open that we would do everything possible to prevent Russia from emerging as a dominant power in Eurasia because of the fear of the Soviet Union and how they wanted to spread.
	So we're at a stalemate right now.
	So what I would advise to Biden right now is talk to Zelensky and come to some sort of conclusion to bring the conflict down because people are being annihilated.
	Okay?
	Because Putin deliberately targets civilians so that he can compel Zelensky to end this suffering.
	Okay, so very last question.
	Moving forward, blank slate.
	What should American policy towards Russia be?
	Let's start by just one answer to one question.
	How should Washington understand the type of country that Russia is?
	When I was, I'm not an expert like you on Russia, but I do strategy for the intelligence services.
	My starting point for analysts was you need to understand Russia is an anti-status quo actor.
	They're not interested in status quo because the status quo doesn't profit them.
	They wish to destabilize the status quo.
	What would you say is the most important thing we don't understand about Russia that we need to understand?
	that Russia will never become America's friend.
	Russia perceives itself as exceptional, just like we do, and then we need to deal with them on a transactional basis to avoid conflict.
	That's number one.
	And then number two, I'm sorry, make ourselves energy independent from Russia.
	Remove that dependency, secure our communication networks, secure our satellites, And that will immediately demonstrate to Putin that we are serious about our own defense.
	If he can't penetrate our networks, it's very hard for him to destabilize our country, whether by election sabotage that he did in 2016, or to actually attack our networks in a disruptive way, let's say.
	All right, so there you have it.
	It's a very good place to start.
	You can have an understanding.
	Russia will never be our friend.
	The relationship with it must be transactional.
	And perhaps most important of all, secure ourselves in those areas where we are vulnerable right now to Russian attack.
	The book is Zelensky, the unlikely Ukrainian hero who defied Putin and united the world with the foreword by Rebecca Kofler.

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