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March 10, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka
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Jim Hanson FULL SHOW: The New Cold War
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I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is America First, and I'm delighted to welcome our special guest host, Jim Hansen.
Hey, it is outstanding to be sitting in the Dr. Gorka chair.
I am Jim Hansen.
I run America Matters and Security Studies Group.
If you want to have some fun, you should follow me on Twitter, Jim Hansen DC, because I make the left cry and I do it.
Some people claim they do liberal tears.
I do liberal oceans.
All right.
It's a game.
Hey, I think I want to get right to something I want to get right out of.
And that's Ukraine.
I think we have done this long enough, and I think we are getting to the point where the endgame is starting to be in play.
And it needs to be.
This is dangerous.
I'm sorry.
This is not something to be used for political purposes.
It's not something to show your virtue signaling by having a Ukrainian flag in your bio.
This is as close to World War III as we've gotten in my lifetime.
And I fought the first Cold War.
Now we are obviously in the midst of a second Cold War, and I don't want it to turn hot.
Any hotter than it is for the Ukrainians right now, and it is for them.
So if we could queue up, cut one.
The Ukrainian boss, Mr. Zelensky, was talking in English as opposed to talking in Russian, and he was saying some things that I think we should listen to, because I think this is a sign.
Kick it.
How to stop this war?
Only dialogue.
And only dialogue with him.
He is the president of Russia.
And Russia fighting against Ukraine.
They came to our land.
To our houses.
To our children.
We didn't invite them.
Yes, we didn't invite them.
But they are here.
What would be your message to President Vladimir Putin right now?
Right now?
Right now, stop the war.
Begin to speak.
That's it.
And what if he doesn't?
I think he will.
I think he will.
I think he sees that we are strong.
He will.
We need some time.
That's what we need.
I don't think there's anything anyone gains by this going on a day longer.
I said, I told Seb two weeks ago that this was for not control of Ukraine.
That's not what Putin wanted.
What he wants is he wants recognition for Crimea, which they already took, but he wants it official.
He wants the two Russian-speaking provinces at this point to become independent so then they can voluntarily join the Russian Federation and he will then control them.
And he wanted to use his incursion into larger Ukraine as the bargaining chip to get all the sanctions and the other things everyone else has been doing to Russia taken out.
You guys drop the sanctions.
I'll pull back.
Now, where he massively miscalculated, and we don't know why, but it's a fact, the Russian military wasn't up to it.
I mean, they expected to just drive their way to Kiev in a day or two, topple the government, install a puppet regime, and go about their merry way.
It didn't happen, folks.
They got thumped.
Now, there's a lot of give and take.
Let's be clear.
The Ukrainians have been fighting a massive propaganda war quite well.
The problem is it's catching up with them because you can see.
They keep putting out things that get debunked.
And I think at this point, the utility of talking smack about the war is outweighed by the fact that tons of people are dying.
And it's not helping either Russia or Ukraine.
The only people actually benefiting from this are the Chinese.
And I don't see why that's in anybody's interest.
So, well, we need to, as the United States, we have a role to play.
It's not a no-fly zone.
That's insane.
It's not ground troops.
That's insane-er.
It's actually giving an off-ramp to Putin that he can get onto.
And that requires not making it a crushing loss for him.
He's a big man.
He's a Slavic tough guy.
He's Vlad the Vicious.
He's all of those things in his mind.
And he's not going out like a punk.
It ain't gonna happen.
That's not in the cards.
He will grind both Ukraine and Russia into dust before he backs down.
So what we gotta do is give him a way to look like he won something.
And that means we're going to give him those two provinces, and we're going to give him Crimea, and at some level we're going to make sure there are no repercussions for war crimes, and there are no sanctions and other things that are grinding his economy into dust.
All that stuff has to come off.
The reason that makes sense, and for anybody who's busy having their head explode right now, because, oh, he did such horrible things, he must pay!
Well, do you really want a KGB colonel, savage, like Vladimir Putin, backed into a corner, looking like a punk, and still in control of the entire nuclear arsenal and everything else that the Russians have?
I don't.
And if you do, that's not a wise move.
It's not good for anybody.
And it's certainly not going to be good for the Ukrainians.
Right now he's already using cluster munitions and vacuum and thermobaric munitions.
All kinds of nasty stuff.
He's blowing up everything.
And he's using the rationale that since the Ukrainians are fighting a guerilla war against him, Even though he's an invader.
But they're using civilian areas to stage and do that he's got a right to attack those.
And I don't think he would survive a war crimes tribunal, but I don't think there's gonna be one.
And for anything to happen other than more death and destruction, somebody's got to give Vlad a way to save face.
And we don't have to like it, but the bottom line, as I said, China's the only one who's really gaining.
Russia showed that their military is not what it's supposed to be and not what everybody thought it was.
They're suffering a ton of economic damage.
And the Chinese now, hey, we'll take away Russia's credit card payments.
The Chinese are like, I can do that for you.
We'll take them out of SWIFT.
I can do that for you.
Why in the world do we want to push Russia and anybody else into the orbit of the Chinese and give them better access to the ability to push their financial systems into play around the world?
The dollar runs the world right now.
If that changes and the Chinese replace us, that's bad for everybody.
So, let's be smart about this.
You know, it's not about sentiment.
It's not about emotion.
It's horrifyingly sad.
It's not that I don't care about the damage that was done or the people that died, the maternity hospital, the children's hospital.
Those things are horrible.
And in a just world that we could just wave a magic wand, Putin would pay.
In a world where Putin's still got nukes, why are we going to take that risk?
It would be stupid.
So let's be pragmatic.
Let's be smart.
Let's make sure this doesn't blow up into World War III.
And then we can turn it into what I think is becoming a new Cold War.
And that is the Cold War between the Western world and the Dragon Bear Alliance of Russia and China.
Biden made that happen, and among his other screw-ups, now we have an alliance between the two countries that actually pose a legitimate threat to the United States.
They're now allied against the rest of us.
Bravo!
Congratulations on that one.
But we need to make sure that becomes a Cold War, and we need to act like it's a Cold War.
China's not our friend.
Russia's not our friend.
Neither one ever has been, nor in any instance or reality I can even come to any kind of thought about, they never will be.
So let's act like it.
Let's get our minds right, and let's get into a new Cold War where we go ahead and limit what they can do to us, limit the badness, and try to take this thing down a notch or two.
Let's make sure the nukes don't fly.
Let's make sure whatever biological capabilities are in play get taken out of play, and let's go ahead and be smart.
The time is now.
That's U.S.
leadership.
If we'd have had U.S.
leadership at the beginning of this, We wouldn't be looking at however many Russian dead, however many Ukrainian dead, and the horrifying threats that came into play.
But we don't.
Biden's foreign policy and national security team is a joke.
It's a clown car of failures, and they don't have the capability to do anything to make this better.
So what we want to do is make sure that they don't make it worse.
Did they just send Kamala Harris over there?
Oh my god.
We're doomed!
Hey, this is Jim Hansen.
We got a lot coming up in the next three hours on America First Radio.
We'll be back after the break.
Mic's back on.
Good stuff.
Yeah, that's a good start.
Rumble Chat reacting pretty positively to your monologue there, Jim.
Rumble Chat are the people.
I mean, that's because they know the game.
Radio.
Who listens to radio?
Where do you listen to radio that you don't have an option to do something else?
It's your car.
It's not your car.
That's it.
I mean, that's basically it.
Yeah, most people download the podcast to listen on their phone.
But who doesn't have a phone plugged in their car?
I guess if you've got a nice vintage American car, you've got that thing.
But my phone plugs into both our vehicles and runs everything.
Radio's fun, but Rumble rocks.
The Rumblers.
The Rumblers.
This is an ad.
All right, Kratos.
Do we have Kratos?
Is he Skype or is he just calling in?
He's phone.
He's phone.
Darren is Skype.
Kelly's phone.
And Milius is Instagram.
Kratos should be on Skype or he should be here.
He doesn't live far from here.
I forgot about that.
Oh.
I think he lives right over by Arlington Cemetery.
Oh, really?
I didn't know.
Oh, cool.
I didn't think about it until we were talking about studio, and then I would have put the screws to him.
He's a beautiful little man, too.
I haven't been to the Freebeacon offices all that much, and they told me he's never in there.
I went in there one time.
I found him asleep at his desk.
Like, really?
Great stories to tell about him right before he comes home.
Yeah, because he's a really hard worker.
Well, obviously, he was up all night on a deadline, right?
Yeah.
He was doing some research on it.
Or something.
Finding the truth about, you know, Hillary's emails.
He did a lot of that.
Every time I hear the word credo, I just think of when Trump, that line from Trump, you know, Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo!
That's still my absolute favorite thing he's ever said.
That's a good one.
It's the RNC acceptance speech.
Never forget.
Alright, what do we got?
100 seconds to the next segment.
You gotta get creative about that because you gotta do it every day.
Yeah, I try to find something more interesting than just 1 minute 30 seconds.
Numbers are repetitive, you know, that's the thing about numbers.
1 minute and 27 seconds until... 127 hours.
Oh boy.
No one can fathom that.
See, that's the problem.
You gotta break it up into chunks people can put in their brain and actually use.
127 hours is nothing.
You got your arms stuck for five minutes.
How annoying would that be?
See?
That I can fathom.
All right.
I can't believe we're doing another Iran deal.
That with Russia.
It's the dumbest.
It just sounds so.
The competition for the dumbest thing.
Babylon B article.
It's like, oh, yeah.
And we're at Russia is brokering out of nuclear deal with Iran mid war.
It's like, oh, yeah, sure.
That makes sense.
We love the Iranians, don't we, folks?
Oh, my God.
I just can't believe, again, with all the things that Biden will not go back to domestic oil drilling.
I can't believe the green lobby is the one hill he seems to die on.
Like, he refuses to let the green crowd go.
Like, as if they're the ones who matter.
Which is actually really good because that's his craziest bunch, you know, and so it keeps helping us with stupid things he does that hurt normal people.
Gas prices high, midterm wins.
But he's even abandoned BLM at this point.
Alright, 15 seconds, stand by.
What?
Oh, yep, he's calling it right now.
I'll give you a thumbs up.
All right.
All right.
Hey, folks.
Jim Hansen back here doing some America First radio.
And we have the pleasure of talking with the intrepid writer for the Free Beacon, Adam Kratow.
How you doing, my brother?
I'm well.
How are you?
I am as well as a guy can be when the world is at war.
We're doing 80s metal because we're in a new Cold War.
I love it.
So we're going to have some Scorpions and all that stuff.
It's going to be good.
I love it.
But there's another thing they're bringing back around again.
Dude, I just honestly cannot believe we're going to do another Iran deal.
And, you know, we did this together!
We mocked this, we tried to destroy it, then we did destroy it, and then we now are watching the Frankenstein recreation of another Iran deal.
Tell me just exactly, is it as bad as I think it is?
Yeah, it is.
Frankenstein is a good word.
I should probably start using that more often as I do that report on it.
But yeah, I mean, this is essentially much, much worse than the original deal, which had a whole host of weaknesses.
Again, we have getting into the nitty gritty, nothing on ballistic missiles, very minimal restrictions on Tehran's atomic program.
There were issues like making Iran destroy all of its advanced centrifuges, the devices that spin and enrich uranium levels needed to power a bomb.
That concession ended up walking back.
They're now allowed to keep these centrifuges.
So it's a whole host of items that, one, were never addressed by the original deal.
Two, that Tehran has been violating for some time anyway.
And now this deal does little to actually mitigate the damage that has been building in the years since the original nuclear accord.
So they took the worst deal ever, which Trump famously said and was absolutely correct, and made it worse.
Yes.
Let's add a little flavor to this.
Isn't Russia helping us with this right in the middle of their Ukrainian excursion?
Yeah, this is one of the more schizophrenic foreign policy decisions that I've seen in quite some time.
It was bad enough in 2015 when the Obama administration said, We're actually going to try to talk one-on-one with the Mullahs regime, that chance death to Israel that wants to murder Jews and Americans everywhere that they are, but now Tehran won't even directly talk to the United States.
In this year-plus of negotiations, the U.S.
and Iran have not talked.
The key interlocutor in this has been Moscow, Russia, and that has continued even since the invasion of Ukraine that Joe Biden, on one hand, is saying he wants to sanction Putin and hold Moscow accountable, but at the same time is relying on Russia and China, mind you, to negotiate a new deal with Iran.
And you can bet they don't have America's national security interests at heart when they're sitting in the back rooms dealing with this.
Neither does Biden's team.
I don't think out of some sort of traitorous or treasonous instinct.
I think just out of sheer incompetence, they're incapable of figuring out what's in our interest.
And so they they consort with our enemies.
They make deals with all three of them, Iran, Russia and China.
I didn't check when I drove in today, but is there a plane on the tarmac at Andrews Air Force Base, gassed up and waiting for them to load the pallets of cash on?
The pallets of cash, yes.
Well, look, sanctions are certainly going to be removed.
The State Department has told me for months, and at least to their credit, they've been upfront about it.
as opposed to the Obama administration, which hid a lot of these details.
The State Department's told me quite flatly, everything's on the table.
We are willing overnight to remove all of the sanctions imposed by the former administration if Iran agrees to a new deal.
So that's out there, right?
And that's been out there for months.
But here's the tricky part.
Members in Congress, particularly Republican members, have been calling on the State Department to brief it.
The State Department will not do that.
So not only do we not know the details exactly of what's going to be in this deal when it's announced, The guys who are supposed to do oversight on this don't know the details of it either.
And that's a violation of what you know is the 2015 Inara Law that requires Congress get a say in any deal with Iran.
You know, they're doing a great job of lying without the all-star MVP of the previous Iran deal, the liar to beat all liars, Ben Rhodes.
I mean, at this point, though, I think, again, I don't think it's talent.
Obama's team was very skilled.
And very, just horrendously willing to do anything to get what they wanted.
The Biden team just is willing to capitulate and has no skills to back it up.
So they're giving away the world.
My favorite thing about the first Iran deal, and when they talk about, well, it was working and all this, how many military bases did we inspect or did the IAEA inspect throughout the course of that very functional first Iran deal?
Yeah, you know, it ended up being very few.
The IAEA, I will say, did have some access for some time, but as I reported and others in the region reported, quite quickly Iran started to cut off access, particularly to contested military sites such as Fordow, the one that's dug into the side of a mountain in an underground bunker.
That's where the Israelis seized that nuclear archive that disclosed Tehran's program and never really stopped, even if it had halted at any period before the deal and since the original accord.
The IAEA has not had access for some time.
They report that every month or so.
It doesn't get much coverage, but the Iranians refuse to allow these inspectors.
Whether or not they'll be allowed under new deals yet to be seen, my gut tells me that it'll be very, very limited inspections.
And it'll be at the sites chosen by Tehran, which fits with the first deal.
The first deal, the Obama administration essentially conceded to say, Well, we'll inspect, but you get to know in advance and you have several months' warrant.
And they get to tell you, okay, we would like you to go inspect this particular base at this particular time in a week.
That's absurd.
And the sad thing is, that was the good deal.
You know, we're going to look back at the glory days of the first Iran deal when we actually could go and look at some places.
Yeah, and a week is generous.
They were given them actually months' notice.
That's sad.
All right, so what is the angle right now with Russia and China that we're probably giving up?
I mean, this is obviously affecting our ability to put leverage on them for anything related to Ukraine, right?
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
And look, the Biden administration will try to claim that they haven't really waived sanctions on Iran.
They're only going to do it after a deal is signed.
But that's really only a half-truth.
I'll tell you why.
It's quite simple.
The administration has either not enforced sanctions, that is oil sanctions.
Iranian crude oil transports and cells have jumped about 40 percent in the last year since the Biden administration came in.
So on one hand, not enforcing sanctions, right, letting this illegal activity fly by.
On the other hand, they're doing things like waiving sanctions on China and Russia to build up Iran's civilian nuclear program.
That was done just about a month ago, very quietly.
And they said, no, no, no.
This isn't a concession or a gift to Tehran to try to get them back into the deal.
This is something that will help us have greater oversight on Iran's nuclear program because China and Russia are involved in building it.
And somehow that's better.
I can't wait.
What I honestly expect from them is to hear that Iran is going to be selling us the gas we need to bring down prices here in the United States.
They're moving in that direction.
They're setting the groundwork for it.
There's no doubt about it.
Well, I think that's just about par for the course.
The problem we have now is Obama, like I said, I didn't like him, but he had pros working for him.
Biden has the second and third team.
We got to take a quick break, but after the break, I want to get into the oligarchs and whether or not we can use them to pay for some of the humanitarian aid.
You've got a great piece on that.
This is Jim Hanson.
So we are talking with Adam Credo, senior writer for the Washington Free Beacon.
And we'll be right back after the break.
Thank you.
There we go.
I just wrote about it.
on a rumble.
Right on.
Should I do one of the, I got two reads, right?
Yeah, so those, there's the food for the poor read we do once an hour.
Right.
And then each of the other two, the stand with Israel, we're going to do once the entire show.
I'm going to do stand with Israel when we come back and then we'll get back.
Sounds good.
Because Credo loves Israel, man.
I just wrote about it.
I published a piece.
The State Department is offering a $1 million grant for for groups to investigate and demonize Israel Essentially, they want them to pick up dirt on alleged abuses by the Israeli government, and the groups can get a million dollars if they do that.
I don't understand how our country works anymore, man.
Yeah, I just popped it.
The notice was about a month ago.
I just finally got around.
to digging into what it said.
It's pretty startling stuff.
So should I put in for a grant?
I'm willing to hate on Israel for money.
Yeah, and investigate.
You can get up to a million dollars.
You know, they say it's strength and accountability and human rights, but the grant is really straightforward.
Collect, archive, maintain human rights documentation to support justice and accountability.
You know, all those buzzwords from the BDS movement.
Oh my God.
And we're paying for that.
So it's not enough that we pay the UN and they go ahead and make it their full-time job.
No, we're paying in on it.
Look, this is a pattern.
Hires matter.
When you put people in place that come from BDS backgrounds that work for UNRWA, that work for the UN, this is exactly where they are.
No, that's how they live, man.
It's painful.
I wish they weren't using our tax dollars to screw our own country.
I mean, it's bad enough.
At this point, honestly, I'm trying to focus more on the domestic war because everything sucks so bad.
And then just when I start doing that, we decide to have World War III and then everything else goes to crap.
You know, that's always the hard thing with foreign policy, right?
People only care when something's on fire, and it's all those years and months when things aren't on fire that differences can be made in coherent foreign policy, can be crafted, but nobody does that.
Nobody does that.
Reagan did a little.
I'm trying to think of anybody who did any.
You know, I mean, he had a coherent foreign policy.
Yeah, and Pompeo's state was good.
That's actually true.
It seemed to people that it came out of nowhere, but it really didn't.
No, the Abraham Accords alone were a tremendous accomplishment.
And I think it was fun.
We did a lot of kind of back-channel stuff to socialize that in some of the Gulf countries.
Because, I mean, it was funny.
It was amazing how open people over there were to the idea that maybe Iran is actually the enemy and Israel, even though they're evil Jews, you know, they would always caveat it.
And the Pompeo State Department, to their credit, really pushed that through.
The White House to a certain degree, too, but it really was the State Department.
And I was with Pompeo when he did the Golan Heights visit and said that, you know, this needs to be sovereign Israeli territory.
I mean, these are really monumental policy shifts.
Yeah, well, we'll see what happens.
I don't know if it's Trump again or if it's somebody else.
I don't know.
But it can't be Biden.
I just it's painful.
I never thought I would be missing Ben Rhodes, you know, of all the people in the world, that horrible weasel.
All right.
So we're doing stand with Israel here.
I'll do stand with Israel.
Ten seconds.
All right.
All right.
Bye.
Big nostalgia for me.
I'm an 80s metal guy, and we're having another Cold War, so it's all 80s metal playlist today.
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I want to get back to Adam Credo, who is one of my favorite writers, a guy who actually digs in to the meat of a lot of important stories and who I absolutely never found asleep at his desk at the Free Beacon office one time.
But I want to talk about your piece that came out talking about using seized oligarch assets from Russians to pay for Ukrainian humanitarian aid.
Now, I hate to have a moment here where I think this might not actually be the worst idea in the world.
Can you tell me that this could actually work the way we all think it might?
Yeah, it's funny you say that, because that was actually my thought when I got a copy of the bill from Representative Burchett from Tennessee, that it actually made a lot of sense.
And even though it's Republican-led, it seemed like common sense that Democrats could also get behind in terms of offsetting the cost to the U.S. taxpayer of all this humanitarian and defensive aid we're sending to Ukraine, and also take a bite out of Moscow's economy and those top guys who are funding Putin's war machine.
So essentially this bill is about a page and a half long.
There's not a lot of legalese in it.
What they would do is use civil assets for forfeiture and use people who are already sanctioned.
The Treasury Department and the White House have sanctioned a whole host of Russian oligarchs and wealthy elites.
It's the same for the European Union.
They've also done that.
And take the assets seized from them and use that money to send it over to Ukraine, help the people over there, channeling it into USAID programs and...
And other humanitarian efforts being waged there, it does seem like something that's pretty common sense.
And as the lawmakers said to me, you know, the oligarchs who are profiting off of Putin's regime should be the ones to pay for the humanitarian aid.
OK, this is working so far.
You said it's about a page and a half.
Were the words letters of Mark in there anywhere?
Just to clarify for people, that was back in the old days where we used to authorize privateers to go ahead and seize vessels and, you know, take them from our enemies and they get to keep a piece and the government gets a piece.
I might even be willing to get in the game if I could go seize super yachts from Russian oligarchs and keep, I don't know, a little chunk of the proceeds.
Yeah, you know, I didn't see that in the bill, but you are right, that is a concern.
I saw somebody on Twitter also raise that.
that kind of concern.
I wasn't sure if they were joking or saying it seriously.
But yeah, that has already happened, right?
The EU and other nations have seized super yachts, they've seized private jets from these guys and let them feel the pain a little bit.
I think for, you know, just on the policy framework of this, for, you know, decades and decades now, these guys have made money off of Putin's murderous regime.
They've made money off of the instability that he's caused.
And they should feel a little pain, because many times these people are insulated from the sanctions that the U.S.
and the EU is leveling.
A lot of that is going to hit the average Russian.
Going after oligarchs, I think, is a very good way to send the message and make them feel the pain that there are actually, in some respects, repercussions for who you support.
You know, I mean, wouldn't it be great if we could all sing Kumbaya about stealing yachts from Russian oligarchs?
Get the Democrats and everybody.
While we're on the yacht.
That's what we do.
Enjoy the ride.
Oh, alright.
Now see now, I am serious about this.
I will put together a team and we will go grab some of that stuff.
If we can have a party, we'll drive it up and down the Potomac.
This could be a thing.
Celebrate freedom.
I think we may have just solved all the world's problems.
Here's the only downside.
At some level, they're going to use this against people that we probably don't think they should.
I'm going to have ATF agents in my driveway saying, oh, by the way, Jim, you've got gun stickers on the back of your truck.
I see the Free Beacon headline, Hanson Unites Country.
You just did it, my friend.
Ladies and gentlemen, please patronize the Washington Free Beacon, Adam Kredo.
Kredo0 on Twitter.
Read what he writes.
He's always got good stuff, new stuff coming out today, right?
Yes, yes.
On Israel, the Biden administration offering about $1 million grant to groups to demonize Israel.
Go read that and we'll talk about it later.
This is Jim Hanson sitting in for Dr. G doing America First Radio.
We'll be back after the break.
Pleasing any time.
Yeah, no, thank you for doing that and hyping my stuff out.
I appreciate it, brother.
You got it.
Talk to you soon.
Cool.
All right, guys.
Have a good one.
All right.
So... It was a blast from the past for me.
I was very active in fighting BDS on my campus, UC Santa Barbara.
And I just checked back, by the way, because there's records of, there's 10 UC campuses, University of California.
My alma mater still stands as the only one that has never passed a BDS resolution through its student government.
All the other nine have passed one at some point.
Do you have to extraordinarily render anybody to stop that stuff?
I had to spit some really, really hot fire at one meeting.
I remember that.
I went up first.
You rapped?
Spit hot fire.
I remember when I was done, all the anti-BDS people, the Halal community, all of them, I got a standing ovation.
And later, some of the members said to me, they were like, dude, thank you so much.
Since you're not a member of Halal, you said things that we would not be allowed to say up there.
Now, are you a member of the tribe or did they make you an honorary one?
They talk about honorary membership, yeah.
You know, I told Seb the story about going to University of Wisconsin-Madison and getting five incompletes and then having to join the Army, right?
One of the classes I took was Hebrew, in case I decided to join the Israeli Army instead of the U.S.
Army.
But it didn't happen.
If you want calls, you see the screen on your left?
That's where you can see them.
I don't think I went to any of my classes after like the first week.
It's Wisconsin Madison, dude.
Drinking age was 18.
And it had the greatest concerts of any.
I got the first four letters of the alphabet.
It's better than I've got.
And that was like the first day.
I don't think I went to any of my classes after like the first week.
It's Wisconsin-Madison, dude.
Drinking age was 18.
Yes.
And it had the greatest concerts of anywhere.
I saw every band you can think of, every punk and new wave band that you can think of from the 80s.
And that's all we did.
One of my closest friends in the city, she's not here now.
She's in law school.
She's from Wisconsin, and she talked about her life as a bartender shortly after graduating college.
In Wisconsin, again, a statement, like you said, the drinking age is 18.
It was awesome.
For one birthday we went to, she made all her own drinks.
She made like, what is it, oh, martinis.
You know, James Bond style.
She made her own drinks at her own party.
My 18th birthday, I grabbed a bottle of Beefeater gin and one glove to hold it, and I just walked around from house party to house party drinking my bottle of Beefeater gin.
One glove?
One glove, like Michael Jackson.
And it was actually, it was a bike glove, so it didn't have the fingers.
And you drink gin?
Gin straight.
Gin straight?
Straight with nothing.
Oh my god.
You don't drink anymore, do you?
I don't.
Spent ten years.
I didn't get cheated.
My buddy said it best.
He said everybody's got a certain number of drinks in their life.
I just finished mine.
Got them done early.
Hey, which one of the two callers seemed more entertaining?
Three.
Let's do food for the poor and then it's done.
We're going to do a Food for the Poor either here or...
Let's do Food for the Poor and then it's done.
And then, yeah, for that, you can choose to use the audio if you want or not.
All right.
How long we got?
We've got eight minutes coming up, right?
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
Let's do food for the poor.
Should I use the audio or not?
Probably not the first one.
Use it on the second one.
All right.
Just kind of dance around it.
Okay.
Right.
26 seconds.
I feel like I should be telling stories for the Rumble people.
We got plenty of time to do that.
Yeah.
All right. All right. Seconds to it.
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
. - Yeah, we're keeping that 80s metal theme going here in our new Cold War.
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Okay, we've been talking, started off talking about Ukraine, and I realize lots of opinions on this, and apparently not everybody believes like I do that we ought to let Putin off the hook.
So we've got a caller, Tom, from Glendora, California, who obviously has a differing opinion and thinks Putin ought to pay for his crimes.
What are you thinking about, Tom?
Thank you very much, Mr. Hanson.
It's an honor to be able to express a greatly opposing opinion.
You know, Biden, President Biden, what a joke.
His cowardly weakness in Afghanistan undeniably emboldened Vladimir Pukin to invade Ukraine.
And Pukin, and only he, turned a Cold War into a disgusting hot war that involves murdering innocent children by bombing children's hospitals By decimating everything in Ukraine, private homes and the like.
And this guy is the devil incarnate.
He is evil as can be.
And I think we are morally bound.
In the Bible it says if you love God, you hate evil.
We gotta hate this SOB.
At the very least, Biden ought to approve immediately The transfer of fighter jets to Poland, who in exchange will give their fighter jets to the Ukrainians, who are familiar with how they operate, and bomb the hell out of Putin, get every bit of anti-aircraft missiles into the Ukrainian hands as we can.
Our European friends are doing that.
The UK is helping out, and Poland.
And I think what Pukin needs... You talked about an off-ramp, Mr. Hanson.
For a guy like that, the devil incarnate, that SOB needs an off-ramp, alright?
An off-ramp out of this world, directly to hell.
You know, that was really well put, Tom.
I gotta give you credit.
That was an outstanding and fair argument.
And I think from a biblical and a moral perspective, I agree with you 100%.
I think everything you said about Putin is true.
I think everything you said about Biden's weakness leading to this is true.
The problem I have is The job of the leader of the United States of America, both the president, commander-in-chief, and leader of the free world, who unfortunately at this point happens to be Joe Biden, but his job is not to deal in biblical justice.
That's God's job.
And I think one of the other things it says in the Bible is let God take care of justice.
All the biblical scholars are going to dog me for that.
I don't know the exact quote because I'm a bad Christian.
But the bottom line is Biden's job is to do what's in the U.S.
national strategic interest.
And our strategic interest does include stopping what Putin is doing in Ukraine.
But it has to involve doing that in a way that does not make things worse.
And unfortunately, getting vengeance against Putin is quite likely to lead to worsening of the situation.
He's crazier than Biden is.
He's crazier than all the rest of us.
He is.
All of the things you said.
Devil incarnate.
That's kind of fun.
Sure.
Why not?
But the bottom line is he's not going to take that.
In the way that, OK, if God dealt it out, he couldn't do anything about it because God can make sure.
We can't.
We have to deal with the reality that Putin's reaction to any escalation is going to be to use that, A, to fire up his local audiences.
He's got problems at home.
You know, the people there, he's got a lot of support because it's a war and people tend to rally around their country in a time of war.
He's also doing tons of propaganda in Russia about how Ukraine represented a threat, how they're part of the problem.
Now they're talking about these biological labs and all of the things that were going on that are threats to the Russian people.
The second he can point to an actual escalation by the US president, which would include letting the polls give them You know, fighter planes, they can give them to the MiGs and we trade them for F-15s, which is a hell of a deal for the Poles, you gotta be honest.
I mean, that's quite an upgrade.
But the bottom line, once those are in play, Putin can use that as the rationale with his own people and amongst, you know, popular support around the world to say, this is now the United States and NATO and EU and everybody else ganging up against me.
And I think that's something that, while I personally would love to see all of the Russian military hardware turned into smoldering rubble a la the Highway of Death from Desert Storm, that would do my heart good.
But it would not do what would be helpful to the people of Ukraine, to the rest of Europe, and to the United States, as far as ensuring that Vlad the Vicious does not ramp this up another notch.
Because he's not winning.
And whether he's in a position now to go ahead and negotiate a way out or not, We want him to believe he's got a way out.
Because if you corner a crazy old KGB colonel, I don't see where that turns into sweetness and light, the milk of human kindness, or even righteous retribution to an incarnate evil who earned it.
He earned it.
I do not dispute that.
I agree he's a horrible person.
And hey, the way I read the parts of the Bible that I still remember, God will get him.
You know, he will take care of that, and we can count on that moral, you know, danger for Putin, and we'll deal with the pragmatic realities of ensuring that we don't start World War III.
This is Jim Hanson.
We'll have more of America First Radio after the break.
Three minutes, 50 seconds. 50 seconds.
Alright.
You would've loved a caller we had earlier this week who said, you know, we should retire against Putin by, uh, forcing him into a bunker and then bombing his yacht, bombing his, like, mansion.
Bombing all his, like, homes and his yacht so he doesn't have anything to cost.
Didn't we bomb Qaddafi's tent?
I mean, we do that shit.
Excuse me, can I say that on the break?
You don't think he has access in his bunker to the nukes?
To the nukes?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that's just it.
This isn't a connected world.
Even back in the actual Cold War, I'm pretty sure the Russian leader's bunker had a button.
You know?
Anyhow.
Let's not.
Yeah, let's not do that.
Let's just not.
We've had multiple people this week say that.
It's just, it's absurd.
Call his bluff, they say.
Call his bluff, call his bluff.
It's not a bluff!
What if it's not a bluff?
He has one option when you do that.
You take the option of not blowing up the world off the table, which is not great.
People used to say, actually I used to say it a lot, when Obama was negotiating the first Iran deal, that wonderful thing.
I hate that you have to say that now.
I know, the first, but the better one.
The good Iran deal.
But I used to say that quote of, you know, if you don't know who the Patsy is, if you're playing high stakes poker, you know who the Patsy is at the table?
It's you.
Well, it was Obama.
The problem is Biden isn't even at the table.
You know, he just put all our money up there and then he wandered into the kitchen and he's looking for the butterscotch pudding or a bowl of ice cream or something.
He's looking for his hard candies in the bowl.
And everybody's taking our money.
They're taking our lunch money, everything.
He's really gotta be the worst foreign policy president.
Then we send I've-never-been-to-Europe Kamala Harris over into Europe.
Why did we do that?
We can take Joe, too.
How about that?
Let's do that.
I'm liking the callers.
America First, what's your name?
One minute.
What's your name?
It's the thing that I keep thinking about as I'm trying to decide which foreign policy president is worse.
Bush by virtue of being over-aggressive or Biden by being ridiculously weak.
I'll take Bush over Biden any time.
It's absent.
It's not even weak.
It's just not there.
It's not there, yeah.
Week the few times he shows up.
It's so funny that, you know... You know how The Simpsons predicts the future?
There's a movie called Weekend at Bernie's and it's this exact same thing.
What?
You just need sunglasses on.
Then he could actually be Weekend at Bernie's.
Biden's just a little puppet.
but you'll just be behind them.
People have been re-sharing clips of that one Simpsons episode of the Soviet Union suddenly comes back.
Like, Lenin rises from the dead.
Moss, Karosh, Kapitoli is all.
Dude, at this point between the Simpsons and South Park, every foreign policy thing has been done.
There's no line anymore between.
No.
Okay.
Bye.
Bye. 10 seconds.
Bye.
Hey, that's a little Charge of the Light Brigade inspired stuff.
Weren't there Russians involved with that, too?
This is working out good, my whole 80s metal theme for the bumper music.
Listen, there's a lot going on as we try and figure out what the smart thing to do is with Vlad the Vicious and, you know, Zelensky the Super Smooth.
I want to take one more caller.
Joe's been on the line from Illinois, and I want to get his thoughts about what we should be doing to bring this to an end.
What you got, Joe?
Right now, currently, Putin has nuclear bombers in Venezuela.
He's threatening to beef up Cuba.
And unless he removes his bombers and stops the threat of beating up Cuba, we have no reason not to send these fighter planes into Uh, the Ukraine.
It just doesn't make any sense.
You know, uh, you know, eye for an eye, I guess that's where we're at right now.
Okay, so now what you're saying, because he's posturing, right, in a lot of places, but he hasn't actually escalated outside of Ukraine.
Because that's, that's what I don't want.
He has by putting, it's the Monroe Doctrine, he put nuclear bombers in Venezuela to protect The Maduro administration.
And now Biden's going to go and buy oil from them.
It's going to go right to Putin.
He's on the line to them.
No, that's a fact.
And I think that's a fair point.
You know, the problem is I hate trying to make smart foreign policy with Joe Biden as the guy who's got to implement it and his clown car of morons.
I mean, you know, it's hard to do it.
You know, my thought would be That I understand that Vlad is posturing and that those things we can react to them or we cannot react to them.
And I think, I don't know that at this point we're gaining, you know, my goal is to get Russia, done with Ukraine, get them to grab their provinces and, you know, go back and start brewing more vodka to replace all their wartime stocks that the soldiers have used up.
And stop bothering people before we get to the point where Putin gets backed in a corner and feels like the only thing he can do is clack off a nuke so that he's, you know, the big man who could not be backed out.
I'm willing to let some of his posturing and some of the trash talking and that stuff slide, because I don't want it to escalate, and I think he is escalatable.
I wish he wasn't.
And we don't have a team that can go up against him.
I hate to say it, but I don't think they're good.
The Russians and the Russian military got shown up and shown to be not everything they were supposed to be, which is good.
But we don't have the A-team to go up against them right now.
And so consequently, I'm not real thrilled about the idea of pushing things farther up the danger chain than we absolutely have to, because I think this is winding down.
I think we're going to do some other things.
So we'll be back after some news and other stuff to talk a little bit more about the new Cold War.
Mic's back on.
- -Like last night, but the mic's back on.
-Okay.
-I'd rather not.
Hey, Rumble Chat, man, we're doing the 80s metal Cold War playlist.
If you've got stuff you want to hear, we're trying to figure out what to play for Bumper Music for Restless, so throw suggestions in the chat and we'll do what we can.
Because otherwise I've got to pull up my Cold War 80s playlist.
And see what we got here.
Because I want to go to 99 loose balloons.
No.
When the war first broke out, when they first invaded Ukraine, John and I were comparing war playlists, like Fortunate Son, Ride of the Valkyries.
That's not bad.
We had some fun that day.
Tool was my, if I ever was going to invade a country, it would probably be the Undertow by Tool.
Just put that on and by the time that record's over, I would have won.
I don't care who we were taking on.
Speakers can be, uh, unutilized.
Chat says some Aussie Osborne would be good.
Crazy Train?
There's never a bad time to play Crazy Train.
Has he got a war song?
I mean, I'll play Ozzy just on principle.
I love that in Vietnam where they put the speakers out into the forest and played the ghost noises to spook them.
That was great.
Surf and Bird.
Back in Black.
Yeah, we have Back in Black.
Not Surf and Bird.
There.
Back in Black.
We have that queued up.
That's on the regular list.
That's just always good.
Yeah, that's classic Radiant right there.
You don't have that.
More people are suggesting artists and songs, but I'm sure that's... That's dope.
We can do that.
Pat Benatar, ACDC.
Pat Benatar.
I love Pat Benatar, but she does not make me think of war.
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
I think these are still going off just... The legend of Billie Jean.
America first, what's your name?
We got a big segment coming up.
11 minutes.
11 minutes.
No intro on it, so you're all... Wow.
Well, we'll do a call or two during that, because I'm liking the callers.
It's good stuff, and people... You're cutting out.
I couldn't hear you.
What do you want to say?
People in the chat are saying war pigs.
Okay.
I mean, that's... because, yes.
That's never inappropriate.
All right, hang on.
I'm going to have to overhaul the bump out music.
I think I'll do that when we move to the next... to the new studio.
You can't have anything vaguely elevator-y.
No, I may have put three songs on this thing at all that we hardly use really, so.
We got Radio Free Europe, that's a good one.
There's some music that's held over from like the very beginning of the show.
It's still used to this day, and liners too.
This like, line one, I don't know how this talking point is like, people think it's true.
Oh boy.
Alright, well let's do that, I like that one.
Look how much trouble he's having right now.
I mean, theoretically, what time frame are you talking about?
Do you mean in the next six months?
Or do you mean in the next 15 years?
What do you want him to do?
Fox is fierce fighting as Russian troops approach Kiev.
How long have they been approaching Kiev now at this point?
And they were like 25 kilometers away a week ago.
Well, I remember them saying that like when the invasion first happened, they said, Oh, Kiev will fall by the end of the weekend.
And I mean, obviously that didn't happen.
Not even.
Have a what in Ukraine?
Three minutes.
Yeah.
I'm going to go grab a water.
All right.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's... Logistically, what, like, how would you even begin to... That's not a state, that's a colony, at that point.
Yeah, I mean, if that... I'm all for having more colonies.
I don't know, Homage is popular, it's nothing like the United States at all, in the slightest, and they wouldn't want to be, and we wouldn't want them.
Who?
Are you implying... There's a... Line 5.
Line 5.
We should make Ukraine into a tourist destination.
It's getting better and better.
That's easy to do, right?
We don't even want California.
How do we... Yeah, let's trade California for Ukraine.
Only if the physical landmass can tack onto the side.
Right, we exfil the Californians to Ukraine and move Ukrainians in.
That'd be interesting.
Social experiment.
I'll try.
I'll try anything.
Give it a go.
Alright, we'll come up with some crazy trends.
Alright.
And then, yeah, if you want to do... You can do just the Food for the Poor read or you can do that and the Patriot Mobile.
This hour.
Okay.
And then the inverse for...
Well, this is a long segment, right?
Yeah, it's a super long segment.
Alright, so I'm gonna... I'll open with food for the poor.
Okay, sounds good.
Sounds good.
And I've got the audio now if you want to play the audio for this one.
Okay, that's what we'll do.
John, did you say Patriot Mobile?
Yeah, there's a... there's a... like a make... do Patriot Mobile... I don't know.
There's some... it's on the calendar.
Oh, okay, okay.
That's the master thing that I go by.
We've already done Israel for the bit.
We still have the Camelot laughing, if you want.
I mean, that's incredible.
Oh, the Camelot clip?
Yeah, because we still have two more video cuts.
Okay, well then we'll do Food for the Poor and then Kamala because she's awful and I'd like to talk trash about her.
And you've got lots of time.
And then if somebody wants to join in, they can join in.
Alright.
You've got about 25 seconds here.
Standing by.
Yeah, I'm excited.
Alright, 15 seconds.
All right, 15 seconds.
I might just hit it early.
All right.
You know? - Okay.
A little Ozzy crazy trained to get us in the 80s metal new Cold War mindset.
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Except to Seb for calling him a dork there.
I'm going to pay for that.
He always does.
He reality checks these and then you get like a report card from him.
It's really painful if you make any mistakes.
Hey folks, we have been having a good discussion with some of the callers and I really appreciate the opinions and thoughtfulness of the listeners to America First Radio and I have said I have my opinions.
Mine are not doctrine.
They're not an ideology I can't be swayed from.
I think about this every day, and I change my mind about what the best way to deal with it is.
But I'll tell you what the worst possible way to deal with it is, and that is to send Kamala Harris The absolute least likable politician, which is a very high bar to clear.
She is a horrible human being, she is incompetent, she is not smart, she can barely read a teleprompter, and she cackles like a hyena.
And so what did they do?
The Biden administration, in its infinite wisdom, sent her to save the day.
And this is how that went, when she started laughing for no reason while talking about refugees in the Ukraine.
I'd like to ask you about some reporting that my colleague here in Poland noticed.
He recently spoke with the mayor of the largest border town, who told him that the refugee system is essentially not set up for this, that it will collapse.
It's an improvised system that can work for maybe two weeks, but not indefinitely.
And I'm wondering what the United States is going to do more specifically to set up a permanent infrastructure, and relatedly, is the United States willing to make a specific allocation for Ukrainian refugees?
And for President Duda, I wanted to know if you think, and if you asked the United States to specifically accept more refugees.
Okay.
A friend in need is a friend indeed.
okay so this time the the the cringe is invading every part of my body every molecule and and is just eating away at my soul.
She's so bad.
Here's the thing.
Here's what I wonder.
I wonder if they're actually actively undermining her because they know if she runs in 2024, Anyone with a pulse who runs against her on the Republican side is going to win.
So, you know, I think at this point it's worth considering that they do things like this and they send her and they load things in her teleprompter that are barely second grade English to make sure that no one forgets how awful she is and somehow they figure they can get her out of the way for 2024.
I don't know.
Either that or they just suck.
I mean, it's a fair bet it could be either one of the two because this is the Biden administration and they're awful.
So I'd like to apologize to Poland and to Europe and to planet Earth for inflicting that cackling hyena on all of us.
I thought Hillary's cackle was bad.
And it still is.
And wouldn't it be great?
What if for the 2024 primaries we get the cackle off between Kamala and the Hildebeest?
Wow!
I think I just thought of the worst possible thing.
On the list of bad things, that trumps genocide.
There are things that the world would be much worse off with that than anything else.
All right, before I come up with anything else that is going to destroy humanity, I want to continue.
I'm enjoying talking with the callers.
Why don't we have a talk with Ken from Arizona, who has a few questions about what NATO can do and how they play into this.
What's on your mind, Ken?
This conflict is in NATO's backyard.
We're worthless because of the President, so I think that NATO and the non-NATO-aligned nations should coordinate whatever aid they feel that Ukraine needs, and we should stay out of this.
We don't need to be sticking our fingers in a backyard conflict with the NATO nations and non-NATO nations aligned with Ukraine.
Poland got tired of the double-talk.
They flew MiG-29s to Ramstein and then Our government says, oh no, we can't do that.
I'm tired of being lied to on both sides of the fence.
I'm tired of being lied to about the bio labs in Ukraine, which is true.
Putin looked like the good guy when we were lying about it until yesterday.
So I'm, I'm just a, it's a European conflict.
Germany, Belgium, France, all the native nations should be helping the border line nations of Ukraine with supplies with either stingers, Javelins or air cover or bullets if that's what they want to do.
Putin can't afford this in the long run.
He only has a 1.5 trillion economy and these tanks and aircraft and helicopters are expensive.
He can't do a pro-elect campaign in Ukraine.
It just won't work.
Well, and I would agree with you.
I think we've gotten to the point where Putin has, had it proved to him, unfortunately, that his military is not up to the task.
So again, the question becomes, what's the best way to end this?
I agree with you that it is, it's NATO's backyard.
I mean, we are part of NATO.
You know, we are the across the Atlantic part of NATO and along with our other friends here in our hemisphere, but I think relying on NATO It has always been not a joke, but it doesn't work.
NATO is nothing without the United States.
NATO is a wonderful idea that absent U.S.
military power means almost nothing.
You know, I mean, it's what, if the NATO countries absent the United States got together and decided to have a war, I'm not sure they could even, you know, kick Liechtenstein's ass talking about tiny little countries.
Although, that's just on the list of interesting things.
We're talking about people who have studied abroad in Luxembourg, which is apparently a thing.
I told him he should have, our sound guy here, I told him he should have studied in Liechtenstein.
I was in Germany and my family came to visit and we were doing a quick tour.
We stopped in Liechtenstein to get something to eat and it was two o'clock in the afternoon and they said, no, sorry, the restaurants are closed.
Both of them.
And I'm like, what?
And they're like, yeah, no, there are only two restaurants that would serve tourists.
And both of them had done serving lunch and weren't open for dinner for several hours.
So they said, you cannot eat in our country.
And I was like, you don't really have a country then, do you?
That's not a real country.
And the problem is, at some level, NATO is Lichtenstein, absent the United States.
And so did I really tie that together?
I pulled that back out and got it back on track.
Wow, I'm pretty impressed.
And we can't.
They can't do anything about it.
Now, the idea of continuing to provide Stingers and Javelins, like we and others have been, and other types of support, and I'm going to draw the line at aircraft because, and I don't know whether this is just perception, most likely, but there seems to be a feeling that, okay, you can blow up our stuff with Javelins and Stingers, but no bringing those airplanes in.
And I don't know why that is, but I think It's more important that we deal with the reality that that could be considered a legitimate escalation step and not take it.
So how about this?
I'll compromise.
We'll send several more metric buttloads of javelins and stingers And we'll leave the air power out of it for now.
And hopefully, because like, you know, like Collar said, there's not a lot of gas or ammo or motivation left on the Russian side.
The Ukrainians have had about enough people dying on their side.
And I think at this point, we're going to have to move on.
And if we can do that, without having to escalate at this point, You know, I think Rodney King said it best.
Why can't we all just get along, man?
You know, let's get Vlad back home and we'll take it from there.
This is Jim Hansen.
You can find me, Jim Hansen DC, on Twitter.
And we'll be back after the break with more America First Radio.
Big Walmart Supercenter with a Subway and a Hardee's and something else right next to it.
So if you need to eat, you can just go right next door.
See?
You see line one?
What do we got?
Sam the liberal.
I didn't even hear you say a thing.
You want to take him on the break quick?
Might be fun.
I'll put him on right now.
At some point, remember, I gotta call Darren at some point.
Alright, right now?
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, put him on.
Sam, buddy.
Hey, was I not giving you enough racism and misogyny?
Because I missed it if I did it.
Well, I have another question.
You said that a lot of people are saying that if we were somehow to be energy and independent, there wouldn't be a war.
Is that what the right wing is saying?
I think that's a point.
That's a valid point.
I mean, if we didn't have that, we'd have a lot more leverage, wouldn't we?
Well, my question is, would you be okay if oil companies were allowed to drill as much as they wanted but were not allowed to sell it anywhere but keep it here in the United States?
I think that would be fun.
Until we get to the point where we could export some, which would be fun too, sure.
Is that a bad thing somehow?
Well, I'm just, I'm trying to focus on the America Firsts.
I think we should, yeah, America Firsts for oil.
As a right-wing nutjob, I wholeheartedly support drilling all the oil we can and putting it in my gas tank.
Okay, so you're also, if you're America First and you're also okay with nationalizing all oil companies, correct?
Because that would be even more America First.
Nationalizing oil companies is what I'm going to help you here.
That's socialist and communist countries do that.
So America First is not about the totalitarian socialism.
Then you must be against the police and you must be against the military because those are socialist, communist type of agencies.
No one is saying that if we drilled more oil the war wouldn't happen.
No one's saying that.
We're saying it would bring our gas prices down.
So you want to drill oil in the United States?
Well, who's going to build the roads?
Yes.
Well, also, no one is saying that if we drilled more oil, the war wouldn't happen.
No one's saying that.
We're saying it would bring our gas prices down.
So you want to drill oil in the United States?
Yes.
So you mean you want to nationalize all oil drilling in the United States?
Huh.
No.
No.
I think I can have those two opinions separated.
Wow.
I'm kind of surprised he didn't argue that, oh, climate change.
I can't believe he didn't go speak to that.
He missed that.
Yeah, I know.
Racist and misogynist.
He didn't get a single shot in there.
Yeah, I know.
Man, liberals these days.
He was a little shaky, you could tell.
He didn't think he was going to get in.
I knew he could be if that police and military is a social contact.
And if you think that oil is good and we should have oil, you think we should drill for oil?
What about seed oil?
Can we go there?
The base bros.
Oh, the seed oil.
I fried up some chimichangas in some seed oil last night just to prove I'm tougher than the seed oil.
It's canola.
I have a buddy who just rails against seed oil.
I don't know.
I'll be honest.
There's plenty.
It's fun to play games with what will kill you and what won't because next week it will be the opposite.
The record, he's not answering, but we've got plenty of time this hour.
Hey, your Skype is saying it's not online.
Okay, 20 seconds.
I'm just going to play you in here.
All right.
All right.
I Haha!
Little Megadeth!
Peace sells!
But who's buying?
I'll tell you who's buying.
Vlad the Vicious is fixing to be buying some peace because he's running out of gas and ammo and attack helicopters and troops and everything else.
The only thing he's got going for him is a little Chinese support and I don't think that's going to do it.
I don't think they're going to send him what he actually needs.
We'll see how that whole peace sells thing goes.
I think it's starting to go the right way.
Now, we've been talking and enjoying, honestly, the callers, about how to deal with what's happening in Ukraine.
But now, I want to bring in a guy who has brought us something that I personally enjoy greatly, Revolver News.
And this is another vastly needed piece of our counterattack against the vast left wing noise machine.
So Darren Beatty is that man.
And he's been doing some tremendous reporting.
He's been breaking big news.
And, dude, I just want to thank you for being that guy because, honestly, we need you.
Well, thanks so much for those kind words.
And thanks for hosting me on this show.
It's my first time.
All right, I beat Seb to the punch.
Well, let's have some fun with it because I was reading some of your things and you had an interesting angle on what is actually happening in Russia with the corporate attacks, you know, and the kind of the canceling Russia culture among all those corporate people.
And you called it using the George Floyd playbook against them.
And I think that's very apt.
Is this something that now is the go-to game for the left because they're kind of organized around it?
Yes, and I think it's actually larger than even the left.
I think what we saw deployed in the aftermath of the George Floyd saga was a kind of a really robust, comprehensive, full-spectrum kind of machinery at work.
That deployed, you know, corporate allies that deployed allies on the financial side and the media side, there was a, you know, just an incredible degree of coordination, combined with the dynamics of sort of mass social psychology that you see activated in the social media age.
And all of these things came together for a really remarkable display of Um, activism and coordination.
And really, it's amazing how you see precisely the same machinery at work in response to the Ukraine situation.
It's just that this is the first time that this machinery in its contemporary form supplied to the foreign policy arena.
But it's the same thing.
It's only different inputs.
Now the Uber has Uh, you know, the Ukraine flag now even Skype is doing like free calls to Ukraine.
Amazon is everywhere in the corporate sphere.
Everyone who wants to be sort of performatively correct on the issue has to, you know, signal, um, a certain perspective on Instagram.
And I think that this, um, This effect is somewhat, it takes on a life of its own.
It's an organ of its own and I think it's very dangerous because it does apply pressures in the foreign policy arena and can lead to a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy where all of a sudden we're calling for escalation that in normal circumstances would be totally unreasonable and dangerous.
Well, and now you said that a lot of it is performative.
I think that's absolutely true.
It's virtue signaling.
You have to have the right opinion.
It's the NPC character with, I'm for the thing of the day, right?
But I think the dangerous piece is the non-performative, the actual substantive damage that can be done when all of these organs that you mentioned are combined.
Because it's essentially the full power of a nation-state Adding to that the the corporatist elements that are global and and now all of a sudden you can shut down credit cards You can shut down the ability for because it's one thing if somebody in Moscow can't get Starbucks who cares, you know Okay, it's it's overpriced coffee.
That's burnt.
Anyhow, you shouldn't have it We're doing you a favor but when they can't process credit card transfers and then the Chinese step in and Absolutely.
say, hey, we've got this super new credit card transfer and money system that you should use.
We're literally empowering our biggest competitor in the financial world to virtue signal against Russia.
And that's damaging.
Absolutely.
And that's another thing is where perhaps this analogy breaks down from the domestic to the foreign policy is that I think as much as I'm in favor of creating parallel institutions in order to circumvent the censorship machinery of the regime.
Ultimately, I think that is very difficult to do because at a certain layer of the game, you're butting right up against the regime and once they declare you a national security threat, it's kind of all bets are off.
It's just a question of when.
Whereas in the geopolitical arena, I think the whole calculus of parallel institutions is quite different.
The parallel institution is new alliances that circumvent the international machinery that the US has used for a leverage for a long time.
For instance, the US dollar hegemony, all the payment systems.
So the more that we incentivize that decoupling, we're simply kind of accelerating preexisting tendencies toward integration with China from Russia's point of view.
And that's pretty counterproductive, I would say, from the standpoint of American interests.
The Dragon-Bear Alliance is quite possibly the most dangerous thing facing us right now.
I literally, a couple years back, said I've had enough of national security foreign policy.
I've been working in it my entire adult life.
I need to focus on domestic.
And then all of a sudden Biden comes in and manages to weakness our way into a potential World War III and show the world that maybe America doesn't have its hands on the levers of control that run this planet.
And like you said, now it's shown that the Chinese may have the upper hand.
Is that a legitimate fear?
We may lose, what, the dollar as the world's currency?
Not only might we lose the dollar, but just all instruments of leverage.
See, that's the other side of decoupling.
And it applies to China as well.
There's a lot of talk even before the Russia issue became so prominent that, oh, we want to decouple from China, decouple from China, as a kind of punitive vehicle.
But you've got to be careful what you wish for, because decoupling can be punitive up to a degree, and then before you know it, you have a completely independent infrastructure that cannot be pushed around by the United States anymore.
And actually, we're critical of China and everything, but I do have to give them tremendous Credit that any any country that wishes to remain wishes to be truly sovereign cannot allow Google, it cannot allow American big tech infrastructure that Chinese firewall is a necessity in the contemporary age.
And I think the danger with what you see with Russia is that other nations are learning in a very dramatic In a sobering way, just how necessary that firewall was, and every bit of entanglement they have with American financial infrastructure, geopolitical infrastructure.
We've got to jump, Darren, but after the break I want to dig back into what you're talking about.
This is Jim Hanson.
We're doing America First Radio.
We'll be right back.
So, Darren, Darren, what I was telling them in the break is I get a countdown clock.
You know what I mean?
I don't understand why it wouldn't be the smartest thing so that you can see, like I can see, hey, we're 30 seconds from a break, you know?
And of course, just letting you know, the mics are live on our video live streams at this time.
Gotta be able to have an app.
People who do hits would have on their phone, so you could beam it out to them.
Or Skype should do it.
There's an opportunity here.
Hey, man, I wanted to jump topics if we can, although it's kind of a segue.
My fear is that you mentioned it.
The Biden domestic terror strategy and that recent terror alert where they claimed that misinformation was inciting terror acts and all of that, to me, has been part of their plan all along to go ahead and criminalize dissent.
So they can use state power against it.
But then also the idea that if they add corporate power and all of these other entities against political opponents, essentially, that's us.
I mean, we've seen it.
January 6th, obviously, great example.
The truckers in Canada, great example.
Now everyone's cheering because we're doing it to Putin.
Right.
But I want to dig into that a little bit with you because that to me, the status danger of that conglomeration requires a response and we got to be coming strong with that or we're toast.
Yes.
Absolutely.
You brought up civil asset forfeiture in the first hour, which would be a really interesting precedent, too, to set, something we don't like, and bring back domestically, because that's sort of just your free, get-out-of-jail-free card for taking stuff from people.
Yeah, because we were talking about the oligarchs, you know, stealing their stuff and using it to fund humanitarian aid in Ukraine, and I'm like, okay, let's do Letters of Mark, and I'll go ahead and hijack some super yachts, right, as long as I get a piece.
You know, I get the helicopter off the aft deck, or whatever.
But that's dangerous because that comes back to us.
It's the same thing.
Take our accounts, freeze our assets, stop our stuff.
There was a good joke on Twitter talking about your electric car won't start because you had the wrong opinion on Twitter.
All of those things, they want to tie together and use against us.
It's a complete cancellation architecture, which is why you could actually argue in a weird way The parallel infrastructure from China and Russia is actually better than all of the infrastructure being controlled by the U.S.
because, at least at the moment, the U.S.
infrastructure is the one that cancels us.
Right, we have some place to go.
I don't want to transfer payments through China, but if I can't do it through Visa because they don't like the bumper sticker on my truck, You know, they don't like my opinions.
That's the bizarre situation is that people like us are more likely to get screwed by Bank of America than a Chinese bank.
You're killing me, dude.
I wish it wasn't, and that's the reason I'm rallying a counterattack, you know.
Thanks for ruining our Thursday.
Figuratively.
Figuratively.
All right.
Well, what do we got?
25 seconds.
Cool.
I'll tee that up, dude, and let's beat that piñata for a little bit.
Is that bad?
No.
Was that racist or misogynist?
I don't think so.
It was an ethnic slur.
At this point, who knows.
I hope so.
Stay fine.
Never a bad time for a little war pigs from Sabbath.
that may not fit the 80s metal new Cold War theme of the show, but who cares?
It's a great song.
We're gonna get right back to Darren Beatty from Revolver News because we're talking about the way the corporate entities, the statist elements, and the The woke left that believes they want to run our lives have now formed a kind of a juggernaut that they can use to shut down any ideas, people, organizations they don't want.
And everyone's cheering right now because, oh, we're hurting Putin.
We're shutting down Starbucks and McDonald's and their credit cards and everything.
Well, OK.
But they did it to us.
with the people on January 6th.
They did it to the Canadian truckers, and they have exercised this capability now to the point where it is a finely honed, crushing machine that can shut down their political enemies.
And Darren, I'm worried, man.
What do we do about this?
Well, it's a very serious problem.
And as I suggested earlier, it's much more difficult to come up with a solution internal to the regime, because the ultimate bottleneck is the force of the regime.
And I think on that level, you really do have to look at our big tech architecture.
I know that there's this whole debate over, oh, these are private companies, but ultimately they're instruments of the national security state.
In so far as they function on that level.
And you see that in how they respond to things like the Ukraine issue, but you also see that in how they de-platform Trump.
Like this, they do this for the same reasons.
And I think this gets to a very kind of uncomfortable dilemma that many on, you know, dissidents within this country face, especially those on the right, is that we're all very dispositionally inclined to venerate the national security state.
We want to be patriotic.
We want to be America first.
And yet we're in this bizarre position where the very same ruling class interests that are demanding Patriotism with respect to Russia or even China.
This is the same apparatus that's persecuting Americans domestically for being conservative politically.
And so it's this weird thing that I noticed a lot of conservatives is they're dispositionally so patriotic, but it catches out in some ways as a kind of battered spouse syndrome, because it's the very national security state that we are, quote unquote, rooting for against these foreign adversaries that are the biggest suppressors domestically.
And so you're in this position where you're you're rooting for your own oppressor.
Right.
So far as the national security state has been weaponized against us.
Well, what we have to do, though, I think, is I have a natural aversion to government because I think that government does nothing well.
And the few things I want it to do, you know, I'm willing to put up with.
but everything else.
We need to use those organs of state power when we get in there, executive power and congressional power, legislature, power of the purse, to shut this stuff down and overcome that aversion to using government power against private entities.
Well, yes, but I mean, that presupposes actually gaining power over these institutions, which is easier said than done.
We saw it even in the Trump presidency.
We had the presidency, we had both houses of Congress, and the bureaucracies were totally independent, not only independent, but hostile.
And so I think on the right, there's this...
You want to revere the national security state and yet the national security state is the number one enemy of the right.
And that is a uncomfortable dilemma that doesn't have any easy resolution.
And it may not.
And I get that.
And I think Although it will be difficult and although it didn't work well in Trump's administration, we have to do better because we don't have an option.
We either take these guys out or they take us out.
Quick thing.
What's the next thing?
We got a minute left since you don't have a countdown clock.
What's coming up from Revolver?
Well, we got a lot of things.
We have some major pieces in the works following up on our reporting on January 6th, but also I think what's relevant to the whole Ukraine-Russia scenario, I think a lot of people don't understand what NATO is and what NATO's function is.
There's a whole story that needs to be told about the role that NATO has played in suppressing All right, Darren Beatty, Revolver News.
Great stuff.
Thank you, sir.
idea that the very instruments we're supposed to support for foreign engagements are the instruments that are the most hostile to populist right leaning movements within the West.
And NATO, I think, is the absolute front and center of that dynamic.
All right.
Darren Beatty, Revolver News.
Great stuff.
Thank you, sir.
We'll be back after the break with more America First.
OK.
He's on the line there.
Thanks, brother.
I love talking to you.
Dude, your hair is awesome.
I'm telling you.
That is truly impressive, man.
Much appreciated.
Thanks for having me on.
And like I said, first time.
Love to come on again.
I lost his audio.
I can't hear you anymore, brother, but thanks.
He said awesome.
First time being on.
He'd love to be on again.
All right.
Well, you will hear from these guys.
Great show.
I love what you're doing, man.
Keep it up.
Thank you.
All right.
Have a good one.
I couldn't hear his audio anymore.
That was weird.
I still had it potted up.
Yeah, I think the board switched for a second.
Oh, okay.
I just turned it on and off.
So you fucked up.
John!
John!
Dammit!
Alright.
What do we got?
Oh, rest of the sours.
Where are we?
Oh yeah, we still have some calls.
That was good.
That was really good.
Yeah, I think I want to riff on that whole thing because I'm angry.
It's great that you mentioned his hair, though.
I couldn't help but think of seeing his hair.
I was getting Andrew Breitbart vibes.
I was trying to think of who it reminded me of!
It's very much that Andrew Breitbart.
I unfortunately could not see it.
I don't have a monitor over here.
You had to describe it.
It was like Beethoven meets Andrew Breitbart in chestnut brown.
Is that a beard or more of a 5 o'clock shadow look?
Yeah, it was kind of the at the bar beard.
We heard more of a 5 o'clock shadow look yet going.
Yeah, it was kind of the at-the-bar beard.
Yeah.
Not quite a beard.
Right, right.
I forgot.
Yeah, check his Twitter account.
That's right, his profile picture on Twitter is the time that Ben Garrison did a cartoon featuring him, with like a giant, his brain being like so big that it follows the throne that he sits on.
Okay, so next segment is eight minutes?
Sir.
Yes, that is correct.
All right, and what do we got?
Pope, and no, I'm not interested in Ukraine anymore.
I'm bored with Ukraine.
Hey, want me to get rid of him then?
Yeah, yeah, because... Yeah, he's moving off of Ukraine, alright?
AJ?
And as soon as I say that, I'll probably end up back on Ukraine.
Oh, yeah.
No, I want to talk about the police state.
I'll talk about some other stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
That was interesting, what he hinted at, the, like, NATO... Is that because you're a socialist, the police?
Yeah, because I believe in socializing and nationalizing the... I would nationalize Twitter.
Oh my god, yeah.
My guy, Brad Patty, has long said what we should do is to declare eminent domain on them as part of the national security infrastructure and say, you no longer can own those, we're taking them from you.
I am old enough to remember when like Ted Cruz and others used that as like a battering ram against Trump saying, Oh, he supports eminent domain.
He's not a conservative because Reagan wouldn't have supported eminent domain.
They just freaked out.
I'm like.
You know, you can sometimes, when you're at war, you're allowed to do things you wouldn't do in peacetime, and then once you win against forces that are trying to destroy your way of life, you can shift back.
Like Trudeau, he was at war with the truckers, remember?
I was going to make a legit, I was going to say Abraham Lincoln, and Jeff comes in with this thing.
It was really emergent.
You know Trudeau is so relieved by this Ukraine stuff too.
It allows everyone to forget about his human rights violations.
Did you hear him this week talk about Putin and these authoritarian leaders and all this stuff?
Yeah, the balls!
I mean, come on!
I hate that guy.
I hate Castro's son.
Alright, do I owe any readings?
No, we're good.
10 seconds.
You didn't want to throw me off.
You didn't think I could handle it.
We're all a team here.
I guess we went to War Pigs and now we got some Zeppelin.
We're slipping back into the 70s, but there was a Cold War in the 70s, so it's still.
It was my 80s metal theme with any solid rock that still ties in.
Enough of that.
Hey, listen, I really enjoyed talking with Darren Beatty last segment because he brought up something that greatly concerns me and probably most of you, which is the abuse of state and corporate power against their political enemies.
Us.
And it's horrifying to watch because they're getting away with it.
And it's a number of things that they've now managed to combine into a cohesive and massive entity of control and punishment for people who do things they don't like.
And I think, you know, it was the trucker strike up in Canada.
Was a great example.
You know, those guys did something and they caused some pain, at least to Trudeau and his socialists.
But what happened back to them was so totalitarian in nature.
It was just everything that comes up when you talk about a totalitarian or an authoritarian state.
That means that if you make them mad, everything about you is at risk.
And those people paid greatly.
January 6th, another example.
You know, most of those people, their biggest crime was trespassing in Trump gear.
And now all of a sudden, you know, they invented an insurrection and they're throwing people to the wolves.
To prove to the world that now it's not just a difference in political opinions, and it's not just a political protest that got out of hand and turned into a riot.
It was actually terrorism.
And it was actually because it was terrorism, they can use the full array of national security powers that are available to the state To go ahead and crush that.
The Biden administration, their domestic terror strategy, mentions that.
The terrorism alert that came out of Homeland Security specifically even said that mal, dis, and misinformation were inciting terrorism, specifically around COVID vaccines and elections.
And they now, because of that, want to be able to use the powers we gave them to stop jihadist terrorists from knocking down buildings with airplanes.
They want to use that power because they don't like what the granny from Des Moines said about the fraud in an election that was rife with fraud.
So I think we're at a tipping point now where all of those things, as we just discussed with Darren, are very happily and joyously, and the left is patting themselves on the back for being mean to Putin.
Oh, look what we did to Vlad!
We took his McDonald's.
We took his Starbucks.
You know, we took his credit card payments.
We did all of these things to him.
We did sanctions.
We're hijacking yachts and stealing yachts from his oligarch friends.
And to be honest, at some level, That's a good thing, right up until they turn those same powers back against us.
And they're going to.
They've done it before.
They'll do it again.
And I think every one of these, they are exercising those powers and getting better at it.
You know, getting more cohesive, getting more integrated between all of the things you need to live in life.
There was a joke we talked about on the break on Twitter, talking about, oh, my electric car won't start for two days because I said something wrong on social media.
Do you think for a second that the kill switches on vehicles they want don't have more than just a police chase use?
At some level they want control.
And the very idea of the liberty this nation was founded on, which is I'm allowed to do what?
I want as long as I'm not hurting other people.
And our laws should never prohibit me from exercising my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness just because some angry, woke, unhappy nanny state leftist doesn't like it.
So they have now figured out, oh, but wait, we have control of these organs of power and And all we have to do is say, oh, this is national security or it's terrorism or it's, you know, an economic emergency.
It's any number of these things that it's a pandemic.
That it's a national public health emergency.
Any of those excuses now, they are going to use to ratchet up the control and put the boot on our necks.
And I'm sorry, I'm not going to take it.
My book is called Winning the Second Civil War Without Firing a Shot because I don't want it to get to firing a shot.
I want it to stop before.
And in there are a lot of the things we're going to have to do to go ahead and start a counterattack to take that power away from them.
Not going to be easy, Darren mentioned.
All right.
It is not easy.
It was during President Trump's term, you know, it was it was very difficult because the permanent bureaucracy owns all of the levers of power and they know how to use them and they're not willing to share.
But we just have to understand that either we break the code on that or break those buildings or break those agencies.
I don't care.
Burn them down.
Genghis Khan.
All of that is in play because those are the people who now have decided we no longer have the rights promised to us, given to us by God, and promised to us by our founding documents.
Well, we're not going to put up with that, and I think the reason most of you are listening to America First Radio is because you agree.
And unfortunately, you know, we need to act, and we need to act smartly.
January 6th was not our best moment, all right?
It was horrible, the reaction and everything they've done to it, I wholeheartedly agree, was an egregious violation of everyone's right to political protest.
But we don't need to go down that road at all and give them an excuse.
We need to claw back power from them at every single level, at the school board level, which has been working great, city councils, state elections, state legislatures.
Every place there is a way to put people in power who don't believe in state power, we need to do it.
And I think we need to do it in culture too.
The corporate entities are just as bad or worse.
You know, they are so woke right now that they are willing to use their, you know, McDonald's is now not going to sell me a fat burger because I hold the wrong opinions on social media.
No, that's not good.
That's not American.
We're not going to put up with it.
So join the counterattack, literally and figuratively, no violence, and be part of the solution.
This is Jim Hansen.
Find me on Twitter at JimHansenDC.
And come back after the break.
We're probably going to talk to some folks about the problems we're going to fix.
This is America First Radio.
We're out.
We're out.
I like to be smoother than that.
You said what needed to be said.
I think Darren is absolutely right.
That's another point I understand from the people who say we should stay out of Ukraine.
They say, we've got bigger problems here in America.
And the main thing they ask, you know, the Tuckers and whatnot, is they say, how would supporting Ukraine help the average American on Main Street?
And again, that's a tough question that needs to be asked, of course, but yeah.
Just wanted to get your thoughts on the whole Russia and Ukraine situation.
I'm not as interested in her.
Oh, that's the audio cut.
Yeah, that Bryce Mitchell.
It's a minute 18.
Yeah.
Yes.
It's audio.
That's the audio cut.
Yeah.
Want to hear it?
Yeah.
Kick it now and let's.
I just wanted to get your thoughts on the whole Russia and Ukraine situation.
You know, here's my first thought is I'm not going nowhere to fight none of these wars for these politicians.
I'm staying at home.
And when the war comes to Arkansas, I will dig my boots in the ground and I will die for everything I love.
And I will not retreat.
If this country is invaded and everybody's saying, well, we gotta, we gotta evacuate.
We gotta leave.
We got, I will not, I will dig my boots in the Arkansas soil and I will fight for the people that I love, for the land that I love and the way of life that I love.
I'm not going overseas to fight.
I don't know what's going on, to be honest, brother.
I really don't.
There's so much stuff, and I don't think nobody knows what's going on fully.
There's been so much political corruption.
I like that kid, because I'm going to agree and disagree with him.
OK.
Because, I mean, we can't be isolationists.
That's my position.
But I understand where guys like him are coming from.
Yeah, 100%.
Especially after, again, we just had our longest war, and of course the ending of that war wasn't great, like, I totally understand it.
Yeah.
We have not shown our ability to do the right thing in any of our recent wars, so.
Yeah, unfortunately.
Alright, so we're almost, alright.
Yeah, this is the short one.
Four minutes, okay.
Okay.
What's my bounce in music?
I'm looking for one right now.
Hit one of the earlier ones again.
You can do that.
That's a good one.
I do like that.
Cleel back to the chargers by the way.
For I think a second and a sixth.
Stand by.
Stand by.
Ah.
Ah.
Yeah.
We had to get back to my 80s metal.
That's cult of personality, living color.
That was some rock.
Hey, listen, I want to play a clip for you guys that you've probably heard.
And I agree and slightly disagree with this fine UFC fighter, Bryce Mitchell.
But let's play his thoughts on foreign wars in our current environment.
Just wanted to get your thoughts on the whole Russia and Ukraine situation.
You know, um, here's my first shot is I'm not going nowhere to fight none of these wars for these politicians.
I'm staying at home.
And when the war comes to Arkansas, I will dig my boots in the ground and I will die for everything I love.
And I will not retreat.
If this country is invaded and everybody's saying, well, we gotta, we gotta evacuate.
We gotta leave.
We got, I will not, I will dig my boots in the Arkansas soil and I will fight for the people that I love, for the land that I love and the way of life that I love.
I'm not going overseas to fight.
I don't know what's going on, to be honest, brother.
I really don't.
There's so much stuff and I don't think nobody knows what's going on fully.
There's been so much political corruption in that area.
You got Biden and his son making a ton of money off of and using our tax dollars to bribe There are people that's treasonous in my opinion.
So you got Hunter Biden and his son using our tax dollars.
Hey, if Ukrainian government, if you don't do this, we're taking your tax dollars.
He shouldn't be giving our tax dollars to that country anyway.
We got veterans out here sleeping on the street and you're going to give our freaking tax dollars to these Ukrainians and all that.
I brother, I don't know what's going on over there, but I'm not going over there and fighting and God bless anybody that's over there fighting.
Hey, brother, I agree.
I think there is so much misinformation, disinformation, and mal-information, and we have not shown our best side in the recent interventions this country has had.
Afghanistan didn't go great.
The exfil was a debacle.
Iraq was not our shining moment, you know, and there's plenty there.
So I understand the sentiment.
The only problem I have is that An isolationist mentality, by the time a danger gets to Arkansas, it's too late.
We need to deter threats all around the world with peace through strength, the Reagan-esque doctrine.
And I think that requires, it doesn't require Bryce to go.
That's the nice thing.
We have an all-volunteer military.
And if they do go to Arkansas, I'll tell you right now, I would not want to be going up against Mr. Bryce Mitchell.
And I would go back to back with him in an artificial heartbeat.
But I think in terms of making sure that we never have to fight anybody on American soil, it requires at least the strength overseas, the view of the world and the tyrants of the world that America is a danger and a threat.
Giant that you don't want to poke and wake.
That has to be primary in our mind.
So I think there's a little bit of a meld of those two things.
And I would commend Bryce Mitchell for all of his wonderful ideas.
This is Jim Hanson.
We are going to be back after some news and stuff with a lot more interesting information from some very smart ladies.
Back with America First.
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Seven minutes.
Oh wow, so we got time.
Yeah.
Top of the hour break.
I'm in the 80s movies mode.
Mike's back on.
Seven minutes.
All right.
Oh, wow.
So we got time.
Yeah.
It's the top of the hour break.
How about two tribes from Frankie Goes to Hollywood?
Okay.
There's actually on Spotify, there's a Cold World 80s playlist.
Isn't that awesome?
Yeah, I'll just pull that up if you want.
Well, I'm looking at it.
Yeah, I'll just pick from it.
Because there's too much crap on it.
But literally, it's a list of songs that have something to do with the Cold War and the threat of nuclear war.
Which is kind of fun.
A lot of really bad songs is the problem.
Hmm.
Yeah. - Yeah.
Thank you.
We haven't done Radio Free Europe yet.
That's going to be on there.
That's a good one.
Oh, yeah, Rumble Chat bringing up a name from ancient history in the whole Ukraine debate.
Ron Paul.
Was he right about something?
I mean, he's coming right about a lot of stuff.
Jabari says, quote, Seb recently disagreed with me.
Ron Paul is an isolationist.
I still think non-interventionism is correct policy.
There's letters of marquee for a reason.
Huh.
I was in high school when the Ron Paul thing was happening.
I never understood the mass appeal he had.
I didn't see it.
There's always a longing for libertarian ideas and someone who will make that.
It attracts people who also, though, have a lot of other ideas that don't work in reality as well as they work when you're drinking beer or smoking dope in a frat room, you know?
Because the ideal libertarian society is anarcho-capitalism, which technically is impossible.
Like, you can't have anarchy and capitalism at the same time.
It just doesn't work like that.
But the sad thing that can be said is that libertarianism has largely just become libertinism these days.
Oh, you're free to do whatever you want.
I want to smoke weed, and oh, child porn is fine, and all this stuff.
Gay couples defending their weed farms with RPGs.
No big deal.
I always looked at libertarianism as a great foundation for an ideology, and it would be great for me, but it's the rest of you people who I don't trust with that kind of freedom.
You know, because you'll do stupid crap.
And you have to have bounds around that, and I think that's where it falls apart.
Yeah.
Again, I think Ron Paul could be called the rights equivalent of Bernie Sanders, like, before Bernie was a thing.
There is that, like, libertarian throne that someone will sit on and become the... Rand Paul does it now.
I mean, he took over, and Rand is more coherent, I think, than his dad.
He was one of my two original favorites in the 2016 primaries, along with Carson, but I think the sad thing is that I don't think Rand Paul has the charisma to win a presidential election.
How about London Calling?
Just because I like The Clash.
I used to use the Clash music when I made videos when I was living back in Madison.
I would use the Clash or Rage Against the Machine or something like that because it would piss the left off.
And then they'd complain.
They'd jump up in my comments.
They'd be like, Joe Strummer would kick your butt!
Zach De La Rocha was the one I'm like, really?
He's like 5'2".
He weighs 120 pounds.
I don't think so.
He might very angrily yell at me, you know, and spit and sputter, but I really don't think he's going to do me a lot of damage.
He's like that color that we had earlier.
He might do that.
That's probably the highest threat level we've got.
I mean, Zack could at least scream, believably.
You know, I mean, I love rage.
That's some of my, that's actually more music I might go to war with.
Yeah.
Like Bulls on Parade.
I could see that.
Oh, another obvious war song, For Whom the Bell Tolls.
Oh, hit me with some Metallica.
Yes.
Killing zombies and going to war.
I just watched, I hadn't seen it, but Through the Never.
Have you seen that?
I haven't, what is that?
It's a combined concert and concept film where they've got, like, their roadie is on a mission and it's against the post-apocalyptic thing and all this, but it's a deadly good concert.
And so they play, instead of playing all their new stuff, it's a lot of their classics.
So it's all the songs like One and For Whom the Bell Tolls and all the good stuff there.
And they've got an amazing stage show where it's laser.
So when they do One, which is, as a matter of fact, it's too hard to find a good part of One.
But that's the greatest war song of all time.
Because, I mean, just when it's by itself, all the bombs and machine gun stuff they do with the instruments is awesome.
You should do a podcast on war songs.
Oh my god, that would be fun.
That would be pretty cool.
Just like, play scenes from war movies with those songs overlaid.
And that was the video for one was from, was it, Dalton Trumbo's, I can't remember the name of it, but the kiddy got blown up in World War I.
Scientific proof that X-song goes with every war movie.
Those are some of the greatest videos, too.
They take random themes and say, hey, this theme works in literally every scenario.
Like the Benny Hill theme or...
What's the movie that goes with Dark Side of the Moon?
Wizard of Oz.
I watched that experience and yeah, I kind of don't see it.
It's there if you really want it to be and you smoke enough weed.
Depends on the substance.
Yeah, I mean if you're doing that, the weed was implied.
I'd assume if you have that much time.
3yarnheart in the chat says most war songs are very leftist in their viewpoint.
Yeah, that's the point.
It's like, you know, Fortunate Son was meant to be anti-war, but now it's used ironically to be pro-war, and we kind of beat them at their own game with that one.
That's the point.
It's funny.
I should do a read.
Let's open with a read.
What do I owe?
Food for the Poor?
Food for the Poor and that Patriot Mobile one.
So Food for the Poor would be great to open up with.
Nah, I'm going to do the Patriot Mobile because I've done Food for the Poor twice.
We're going to close with Food for the Poor.
Yeah, 40 seconds.
Yeah.
All right, stay back. stay back.
15 seconds. 15 seconds.
- I'm just...
Radio Free Europe, which apparently they need again at this point.
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Now we were just talking about that with Darren Beatty from Revolver News and then I had a little rant about it.
We need to work with companies that share our values because there are plenty of them that do not and that are willing to use their corporate power, their economic power, and in conjunction with the woke left, the activists,
And our now permanent bureaucracy of government and the woke people there, including an entire administration who loves the idea of abusing state power against us, we're up against a pretty powerful enemy.
And they treat us that way.
It's time for us to stop patronizing people who hate us, people who are going to use our money against us.
I just don't think that's something we can tolerate.
So find companies that share your values and go ahead and ignore those that do not.
And that's going to have to be our mantra from the way forward because they will take it away from you.
You know, they will take away your bank accounts.
They will take away your cell phone coverage.
They will use anything they can to criminalize dissent and shut us up.
And guess what?
I ain't shutting up and you shouldn't either.
All right, I want to see if we can take one more caller here because we got an interesting concept here from John in Kentucky.
And he says that we no longer control the world the way we used to, which I agree with.
In what way do you mean that, John?
Well, the question I have is, four years prior to this administration, we were strong.
Our military had pride.
I'm a 20-year vet, okay?
Now, I wanted to ask you, and I'll hang up for you, let's answer.
Do you feel that this falls directly at the doorstep of the American people that voted for those people in Congress and voted for those people in the Senate?
Now, I'm not going to talk about the election because there's still a lot of questions about that.
Do you feel that this falls directly to the American people and it is their fault because of the shape of our country?
And I believe we've lost faith in our elective system.
Thank you.
Well, John, that's an incredibly powerful question because I do think we have to blame ourselves.
And it's a concept that I've discussed at length in explaining how we got to the point where the left controls most of the major institutions in America.
And it was not done because the right doesn't care.
It was not done because people on the right are lazy or not patriotic or don't believe in liberty or any of these things.
We were under the impression for a long time that our Constitution and the laws of the land protected us from the kind of state abuse of power and criminalizing of dissent that is pervasive these days.
And so we, to be honest, we weren't paying attention.
We were raising our families.
We were going to church.
We were working.
We didn't believe that there was any need for a fundamental transformation of America because America worked.
America was the greatest country ever.
It was the shining city on the hill.
All of those things were true and had been proven true by the founding principles.
And they're, you know, over time we had to tweak them.
Obviously, we started with some mistakes.
There was slavery.
Women couldn't vote.
Those were horrifyingly bad ideas, but we fixed them.
And so in the course of doing that, the left took a...
A few of the, and I'm not going to say they weren't major flaws, they were massive flaws.
They were stains on the country that we, because of the time, they obviously, they were, you know, with the mores and cultural values of the time, but they were wrong.
However, we've acknowledged they were wrong.
The left has taken that, though, and said, that's not good enough.
We want to take everything we can think of that's wrong in the world and blame it on America and say, now we're going to change all of those things and we're going to use whatever powers we can gather, whatever, you know, means are available to do that.
And so we didn't see it coming.
You know, they started, and this goes back to the Civil Rights era, goes back to the 1960s.
You know, in the 1950s, you had a bunch of professors at college wearing short-sleeved white t-shirts and straight black ties and horn-rimmed glasses who were the main people at our academic universities and places teaching kids.
Who's there now?
Purpled-haired, you know, non-binary, pan, forest, fairy, whatever, freaks are the ones who are teaching our kids now.
We've lost control of that.
And it happened, you know, it was a gradual thing, but it's accelerated massively in the past, say, five to ten years.
And I think because of that, we got caught sleeping.
You know, we were busy.
Like I said, we were getting the kids to soccer practice.
It's complicated to do all those things.
And if you believe, like we all did, that the Constitution means something, you would have expected it to do a better job of protecting us.
But they were good.
You know, you have to give your enemies credit when they do something well.
And the left did a magnificent job of stealing the major institutions of this country and turning them against the founding principles of this country and us, who still believe in that.
So yeah, it's our fault.
It is.
And I think taking responsibility for that, what it's like the Alcoholics Anonymous thing, first you have to admit you have a problem.
Okay, we had a failure to protect liberty problem, but it's not an addiction and we can put it down.
And I think in a large way I hate to have a positive attitude.
No I don't.
I like to have a positive attitude.
And I think we've seen it now.
I think we've seen that light.
And I think we've seen the damage they can do.
And I think the past couple years have truly shown Just how much they're willing to put their boot on our neck and use Orwell's 1984 as a do-it-yourself manual for state control, not as a dystopian nightmare scenario.
So I think that has woken up the silent majority, which is now no longer silent.
But we're in a bad situation.
They control so many things, as we discussed.
They can shut off credit cards.
They can shut off your social media.
And at some level, the government and the woke left is trying to criminalize and turn us into terrorists if we disagree with what they consider to be the bounds of free speech.
They don't believe in free speech.
They hate free speech unless you agree with them.
So all of those things are in play, and in a bad way.
They're in jeopardy.
They've been taken from us.
We don't have an information space that we all share where all ideas can battle it out for supremacy and the best one win.
What we have is an information space that is controlled by the left.
You cannot ask a question online in any way, shape, or form and get an answer that has not been filtered through a leftist lens.
And that's horrifying.
So, people can't make informed decisions if they don't have real and accurate information.
They can't change people's minds if they're not allowed to speak and be heard.
So, we are now charged as, you know, as a 20-year veteran, as you were, to go ahead and make that fight.
To make that our fight.
You know, our enemies, foreign and domestic.
Our domestic enemies are kicking our butts right now.
And either we go ahead and fight back using all elements of power that they're using against us, and more, or we're going to lose.
And I charge all of you.
There's no safe space on the sidelines anymore.
You're either in the game Or you're going to get rolled up and you're going to find yourself in an American gulag for the crime of loving the actual country, not the socialist crap hole that the left wants to turn us into.
All right, we got a great guest coming up, Julie Kelly.
I know you know her.
She's magnificent.
She is the queen of backing the January 6th defendants and everything.
We'll be talking with her next.
And after that, we will have Amanda Milius in studio to talk about all the cool stuff she's doing.
This is Jim Hansen.
We're doing America First Radio, and we will be victorious.
All right.
Mic's on.
Okay, so we've got one more read, two more guests.
And we've survived another guest host.
Ooh, ooh.
I can't wait to see Seb's report card.
I'm really kind of sad, though, that the video from down at CPAC never showed up.
Which one?
The one of the brawl down by the pool.
Because there was a guy filming it.
Someone filmed that?
Yeah, and I shamed him pretty hard.
Yeah, Sebs told us the story.
He told it once and we just looked her on and they talked about it.
Actually, we both were on that day.
Oh, that's right.
I never saw the video.
I assumed that someone would post it because it only reflected well on all of us.
That's probably why it wasn't posted.
I'm mad I flew back that day.
He wanted to be there for that.
What time?
It was like 2 in the morning, right?
It wasn't even late, dude.
No, it was like 10.30.
I mean, we were just getting loosened up.
And the funny thing was, some guy pops up from the table, you guys over there need to quit drinking!
And we're like, it's me and Saab.
Schlichter didn't even have a drink.
He's the only one of us at the table who drank.
Well, if I was there, that guy would have been right.
But it was a table full of Diet Cokes and Gatorade, you know, and we're smoking cigars.
Might as well have been President Trump at that table.
Hey, I'm blocking the line since we've got guests, just so you know.
Okay.
Okay, is this Skype?
No, she's following.
I'm following.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was kind of funny because when Seb stood up and started yelling at the guy and then Schlichter got up and I got up and between us – You know, that was like 600 pounds plus.
That sounded fun.
The guy was average height, right?
Yeah, I mean, he was probably 5'9", 5'10".
The insult doesn't even make sense.
Like, what is he supposed to be, a voice actor or something, like, for his life?
Stop your posh accent, Mr. Britty-Brit Pants.
Wouldn't it be the opposite?
Wouldn't it be that accent?
Is it real?
That's the only... I've never heard someone say, oh, you have too much of an accent.
I wanted to dig into that with him, but instead I decided to just grab him by the arm and haul him out.
Yeah.
Well, because the guy was in a suit, right?
Yeah.
Cornell Republicans.
I was going to say it had to be one of the Fuentes guys.
That's what I thought.
Because he was young enough.
But it wasn't?
Maybe?
I don't know.
I don't think he stayed and chatted.
No, I did not give him the option of staying and chatting.
Not a quick interview.
Alright, I'll put her on now.
Julie, how you doing?
How are you?
I am well.
Let's have a little fun.
We're on a roll.
It's 80s metal is the theme.
Nice!
I know.
I know because we're having a new Cold War and so I was grabbing all the old Cold War era Scorpions, Wind of Change, Final Countdown.
Love it.
Right?
I know.
I dominated when that stuff was the music of the day.
God, those were the good old days, weren't they?
Yes, they were.
Hey, as you are the best at it, I want to do a little January 6th and dig into the latest, you know, the trial going on, Whitmer, as the precursor to what happened, and then the Oathkeeper guy pleading to seditious conspiracy, which kills me.
I know.
I know.
If we can do that, that would be awesome.
Excellent!
I'm ready for it all!
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The Temporary are allowing it.
Because why not?
Because they're the arbiters of who can make death threats.
The truth changes.
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Where would we be without the bell tolling by Metallica?
It's our 80s metal back-to-the-Cold-War theme.
I want to go back to January 6th right now with the person I believe has done more good to expose the invented insurrection than anyone else.
Her name is Julie Kelly.
She writes for America Greatness, and I am so appreciative of the work you've done.
So I want to dig into what's happening right now that you've been covering, which is kind of a precursor event to government-caused crimes that the FBI and others have been instigating, being the supposed kidnapping plot against Governor Whitmer.
What can you tell us about the way the trial is going of those folks thus far?
Cool boy.
Well, Jim, this has been another eye-opener.
I've been covering this trial.
It just got underway Wednesday morning.
Initially, the judge was trying to prevent the defense attorneys from presenting an FBI entrapment case.
The judge wanted the defense to wait until the government made its initial case for the first few weeks of trial.
That was clear within the first few hours that that was going to be impossible.
The judge reversed himself.
And now the FBI is essentially on trial.
As you know, there were at least a dozen undercover agents and informants involved in the plot.
One FBI asked it for every defendant.
They intimately guided all of the activity of these defendants who didn't even really know each other before the FBI put them together in this online militia group.
Um, and, uh, you know, orchestrated all of these trips, surveillance trips and field training trips, recorded all of it.
Um, and you know, ultimately resulted in the arrest of these men on October 7th, 2020 in the crucial state of Michigan as early voting was underway there and in other states producing all sorts of terrible headlines for Donald Trump.
Once again, the FBI messing around interfering in an election.
But this trial already has been very revelatory in terms of what defense attorneys are getting out of these FBI agents who have taken the stand so far.
And I think it's, I mean, it just feels like they found a couple guys who were shooting their mouths off online and probably in some chat room somewhere or even at a bar.
And then all of a sudden they knitted this together with all of their informants and undercover guys and created this situation.
Is there a more entrapment-like situation that you've run into?
I mean, I certainly have my suspicions about certain defendants related to January 6th, who seems to be the M.O.
of this FBI.
You know, they scour social media accounts.
They set up, one defense attorney said that the FBI set up two fake militia groups, one in Michigan and one in Wisconsin, that didn't even exist.
But they use these groups to lure these men, you know, from off social media into these alleged groups.
And then the FBI infiltrates the groups on their encrypted chat groups.
And to your point, yes, they take social media comments, either videos that they've made online or comments that they make in private messaging on these encrypted chats and criminalize them, which they've done time after time in January 6th.
So they are in search of a crime, which of course, you know, the FBI is very skilled at doing that.
But Jim, the man, and this is actually sad, and it makes me upset because I see this on January 6th.
The man that they accused of being the ringleader, Adam Fox, is a 37-year-old man who lived in the ramshackle cellar of a vacuum repair shop in a Grand Rapids strip mall.
He had no money, he had no family, he had no friends really, worked sporadically.
If he had to use the bathroom or brush his teeth, he had to go to the Mexican restaurant next door.
This is what the lawyer told the court yesterday.
And he's supposed to be this mastermind of a multi-state operation to kidnap and maybe kill Gretchen Whitmer.
You know, these people really don't care who they destroy in the process, which is another alarming aspect of the FBI activity.
But a lot of this is going to be an interesting backdrop to, of course, January 6th.
Well, let's hope that the right thing happens in that trial.
But I want to go to one of the more painful things I saw.
There was a plea to a seditious conspiracy charge by a member of the Oath Keepers named Joshua James.
And the problem I have is this now gives the left the one thing they wanted more than anything else, an insurrection.
They needed some sort of thing, because they've been calling it that, but it's been garbage.
There was no evidence of it.
And there's still to this date, to my knowledge, is no evidence of a conspiracy to actually violently assault the Capitol in a way that would stop the functioning of government.
But they used those seditious conspiracy charges to scare him and the other nine or so people they charged, and now he's caved and they got their guilty plea.
Is this going to lead to dominoes falling?
I don't know.
I mean, I would assume so.
It's a preposterous charge.
As you know, the last time the government even tried to charge anyone with seditious conspiracy was in a case, actually, ironically, in Michigan in 2012.
And the judge dismissed the count, said that there was no case.
So here, Joshua James, who is, I believe, in his early 30s, he's got three young children.
He's an Iraq War veteran who was almost killed in an explosion in Baghdad in 2007, a Purple Heart veteran.
All of a sudden, he turned from a patriotic veteran into a traitor.
I explained how that happened, but apparently what happened, his wife wrote on their GIFTS on GO account, is that the government was threatening to take away all of his military benefits, his insurance, of course, his pension, any payments that he was getting, and saying that he could serve up to 20 years in prison if he did not take this plea deal.
This was the arrangement that he made.
I think it seems like to save his family somewhat financially.
He's cooperating with the government, so he won't be going off to jail until all the Oath Keeper's cases are concluded.
But this is what this Justice Department is doing.
You know, you have Merrick Garland now telling the NPR, we are not going to stop until every person is charged related to criminal activity on January 6th.
I mean, get a grip, man!
Like, this country is imploding, and you're still tracking down trespassers from 14 months ago for a four-hour disturbance where the only people who got killed were Trump supporters?
I mean, this is insanity, but they are destroying people's lives in the process.
And so, you know, they just put their vice grip around people like Joshua James and they have to submit to try to save themselves and their family.
Well, Julie, I commend you again for staying on this and doing the work of exposing these massive abuses of state power, because they're happening right in front of our eyes, and the left is succeeding in their goal of creating an insurrection and using the threat, as you mentioned, of state power to Thanks for having me on.
You know, you don't have unlimited funds to fight this, so you have to do it.
So thanks again, Julie.
You can find her.
This is Julie Kelly.
She writes for American Greatness, and she is a wonderful patriot and a great human being.
Thanks for being with us, Julie.
Jim, thanks for having me on.
Thanks so much.
We are going to be back after the break with Amanda Milius, who is going to tell us about some of her new, cool, upcoming projects.
And talk a little bit about how we can use the culture to fight back against the left.
This is Jim Hansen, Jim Hansen DC on Twitter.
We'll be back after this with America First Radio.
Okay, mics on.
Right on.
I think Geoff has gone to go get our last guest.
Yeah, I think I'm officially out of bump outs that aren't elevator music.
Yeah, I know.
You can start back at the top, can't you?
I could.
Might as well.
That was first hour.
It is three hours of content.
I don't understand why music like that exists.
I like easy listening music.
You like easy listening?
Not all the time, but every now and then.
No, like every now and never.
Never and then.
It's the yin and the yang.
You can't have... No, that's like saying, oh, I like good food and I also like starvation.
Well, there's got to be bad food for there to be good food, or else there's nothing to compare it to.
You don't have to eat the bad food.
No, no, you don't.
You just have to know it exists and ignore it and only eat the good food.
There you go.
And if you run out of good food, you take it from someone else.
I mean, there's a whole array of this.
I am willing to appropriate chow.
I've done it before.
All right.
Yep, half an hour left.
Right on.
Oh man, it'll be fun.
Oh yeah.
I'll be pedaling to keep up with her.
All right.
She and my wife are pals because they're both designer fashionistas and my wife has an interesting collection and so when Amanda comes over for a party they go up into my wife's dressing room and we don't see them again.
I have more designer clothes than a straight dude should, I'll be honest.
But part of it's being cool and hanging out with my wife, because she shops the outlets.
It's not like she goes and blows a bunch of money at the big designer stores.
She'll shop the world to find the same thing you get there, and the game is who got it for the cheapest.
Like, I literally got a designer trench coat for 94% off of retail price.
Wow.
I know.
And it's the most expensive piece of clothing I own, and I paid like $290 for it.
It's seriously like a $6,000, $7,000 list price thing, and I just laugh about it.
It's burlap.
I mean, literally, it looks like one of those steampunk or post-apocalyptic things.
I got a great picture of me wearing the hat and this knit cap and a coach gun shotgun.
And I look like I'm ready to start wandering across the smoke-filled wasteland.
I get that with, like, gamer merchandise turned into real life.
Like, famous outfits from video games that they then make and sell online at absurd prices.
Like, John, you remember, like, Resident Evil Village?
They actually made, like, a real version of the black trench coat that Chris Redfield wears, and it sells for, like, over $200 for a black trench coat.
And I'm like, I have cooler black trench coats in my closet already.
How many black trench coats do you have in your closet, Eric?
Let's dig to the bottom of this.
I've got two.
I don't think I own a trench coat.
Trench coats are good, because if you like to carry, they're good for that.
I mean, blazers to me are a mail purse and gun hiding device, right?
I have a lot of those.
Because I buy my blazers, like this one, zipper.
It's got zipper here, zipper there, inside pocket with a Velcro, another pocket.
Whenever I wear a jacket that's not a blazer, I always end up trying to put my phone inside the lining.
Oh, yeah.
I love that pocket.
That pocket's my favorite.
I'm reminded of a perfect meme to summarize that.
I'm looking for it now to send to you, Jim.
20 seconds.
So it looks like you're going to be a little lonely to start this... Possibly.
...this segment.
We can do the read.
Let's do the Food for the Poor.
I'll do the read.
All right.
Standby.
Is that the food one?
Food for the Poor, yeah.
All right.
Last one.
Bye-bye.
Okay.
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I'm fired.
I'm firing myself.
I'm going to hit the eject button on the chair.
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And I think there have been two themes.
One has been our 80s metal theme, which has really energized me and made me happy.
We've been looking for an off-ramp in Ukraine, and I truly believe we are close to getting to one.
But we also have been talking about the Re-energizing of totalitarianism in this country.
And I think it's probably the gravest danger, you know, that we face.
It's easy to look at something like Ukraine and talk about World War III and could it turn into a nuclear exchange.
It's probably not going to.
But I'll tell you what is going to happen.
We are going to be in the crosshairs of the woke left as they try to use every piece of the corporate, legal, academic, education, and government power that they can put together, and they have put together, To shut us down.
And I think that's something that either we get our hands around and we get our counterattack underway and we defeat now, or we're going to find ourselves in the position of people in countries like Russia and like Communist China.
You know, that's why the theme of a new Cold War is legitimate.
You know, we are fighting against an ideology and we actually have a fifth column inside this country, except they're not the fifth column.
They're not an isolated group that's actually doing bad things and trying to shut us down.
They're the ones who are running things in our country.
And I'm telling you right now, it's painful to watch how much damage they've already done and the fact that they're going to be successful unless our side gets its ducks in a line.
And we're going to be talking shortly with someone who has actually started the counterattack herself.
You know, she is Amanda Milius.
She is a filmmaker.
She has done documentaries and has basically showed the way in what we can do to go ahead and use our culture against them.
And she's putting headphones on right now.
If I can figure out how.
I'm assuming you can do it.
And now you've got a microphone.
I'm a film person.
Yeah, I know.
That's true.
You used to stand in the back with the little clapper thing.
Yeah.
Somebody puts them on for me.
Is that it?
You have people?
There's a specific person who comes and puts the headphones on me.
Do they have to work on the hair?
For me it's easy.
I don't have to worry about this.
How's it going?
It's great, and welcome to America First.
Thanks for having me.
It's a pleasure.
We're running out, we've got about a minute in this segment, but I want to know, what's the next thing coming from you?
Tease it for the next segment so we can dig into it.
Well, the next thing that we've announced, obviously, is the McAfee book.
The cool thing about that, actually, I can tell you something about that, which is that they are releasing that book on blockchain.
Okay, so it makes total sense because it's the Macaphee.
Yeah, because he's that kind of guy.
So you have to follow the, you've got, yeah, I'll follow my account.
I tweet out all about it all the time.
But obviously, we're very interested in making it into a doc as a scripted feature.
It's a great story.
We love it.
He was a wild beast.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, we're going to take a break coming up right now.
And after the break, we're going to dig into the wonderful and wild Mr. Macaphee and the other things that Amanda Milius is doing to put our culture on top in this battle for the heart of our republic.
This is Jim Hansen.
We're doing America First Radio.
Back after the break.
You know, I live in Alexandria now. I live in Alexandria now.
So, like, the Uber took- Usually, I was, like, around the corner from here.
But, oh my gosh, it was just, like, the whole journey.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, can you turn the lights off when you leave the show on?
Is that better?
Whatever you're going to say, yeah.
What were you guys doing before?
Oh no, the mic was just over to the left.
Oh, so it was like, yeah.
Someone had moved it all the way over to the side, so you would have to look at the light.
And letting you know the mics are live on our video livestreams at this time.
I can't see because if I turn around, I turn around.
Whatever.
Anyway.
Here we are.
Thanks for coming in.
All the way from Alexandria.
Well, Sam's going to be like, why are you guys sneaking into my studio when I'm not there?
You know why?
It's because I promised you fashionista time with Sam.
Yes.
Yeah, I'm so ready.
That's what, 29th?
You're coming for that?
That's going to be a blast.
Yeah.
Can we, I mean, I can say a word about it.
Should we do that?
You can't.
I can't.
I mean, I can.
Let's leave it sit for now.
For anyone who's watching on Rumble and has no idea what we're talking about, it's going to be a super cool part out.
Go to my Twitter to find out.
At AmandaMilius.
At AmandaMilius.
Right on.
So, the McAfee, so it's a blockchain thing?
Okay, so that's one way of it.
Like, the book is obviously published from a normal publisher as well, but I wanted to remember the name of the publisher.
I can tell you that publishes books on the blockchain, which makes them uncancellable.
I can talk about it when we get back.
Yeah, no, let's do that, because that's interesting and it's in... It looks real.
This is, like, look at the...
the cover it's so cool right yeah yeah like i want that t-shirt i would wear that i think we're gonna have to talk about it he's gonna have to it was so fun to watch him when he would do his he's such a cool guy yeah i mean it makes so much sense for me but it's the so it's one of the only ones that we're we're publicly talking about because Apparently we get a little bit jinxed.
Sometimes if we talk about our movies too early before we make them, the Daily Wire will try to make some half-assed version with really square people and they'll wonder why no one cares about it and they'll be like, So I'll turn around and like see like I was like, oh, there's all that's my whole.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
It's okay I mean, you know, I've been doing something and I want to do something.
I wish they'd do it better doing it I hope that they get two more billionaires investing in them.
I think we need more billionaires investing in our media it would be nice if You know, there was one or two more for other content besides daytime television.
But we'll take what we can get.
And it's getting better.
And the thing is, because you guys are putting out good products.
Who would think of conservative media and hokey westerns?
Who would have that idea?
I would never put those two things together.
That's a crazy idea.
That's what I want to see.
I want to see more Nick Searcy crazy ideas because he's one of my favorite lunatics.
Oh no, he's great.
They're all great.
I mean, it's just, you know.
We can do more.
When we actually do the novel and then the film of mine and Samantha's story, I've got both Nick Searcy and Adam Baldwin written in.
How X-rated is it?
Mildly.
A lot happens in Bangkok.
This is very quiet.
Can I turn this louder?
All right.
Stand by.
All right.
Welcome back to the eighties metal new cold war version of America.
First radio.
But we're having fun right now talking with Amanda Milius, whose magnificent documentary, Plot Against the President, was an eye-opener for too many people.
Some of us were far too aware of how bad it was, but getting it out and getting it into the flow of popular culture is what our team needs, and you're one of the leaders.
Now, let's hear about McAfee.
Okay, well this is what I was going to tell you guys about before, but I wanted to get it right.
Okay, so obviously Mark Eglinton is the author.
He's put the book out traditionally through a normal publisher, which is, you know, obviously what we optioned to make the movie.
However, there is, and I'm friends with these guys too, this company called Canonic, which allows people to self-publish on Bitcoin.
And basically what that does is if they're publishing, you know, everything's zeros and ones, I'm the worst person to explain it, but I can tell you that it basically makes it uncancellable and people can buy and sell on this platform that they've created.
So for it to be the John McAfee tapes as a book that comes out on that platform, it makes so much sense and it's so disruptive and it's so cool and I advise everyone to Look at this really cool cover, as I've shown you.
Yeah, you gotta see the cover.
The cover is so- It's just slick.
Everything that I care about.
It's like psychedelic, grunge, machine gun, messed up, post-apocalyptic, just- See, I keep hoping that at some point you're gonna bring him out at the end of this and he's gonna show up and go, I totally endorsed this because this is the coolest thing anybody's done.
Yeah, he could just like appear at the premiere and like endorse it.
Could you deepfake him somehow?
We'll see what happens.
Oh my!
Alright, I have great ideas.
Maybe we'll find him.
We need to talk.
He could be alive!
If anyone was gonna pull that.
I've said that since it happened.
He even references it, like, four Instagram posts prior.
I don't even know if that one's still up, but he talks about Epstein in that way, because he talked a lot about Epstein being whacked, right?
That's why he had the tattoo whacked on his arm, to say, if I ever end up like this, you can know I was whacked.
And he got whacked.
Did he?
That's the fun part.
He's such a wild beast.
And he was such a pioneer in tech and all of the things.
And then he was a pioneer in being a wild, rich tech guy gone wild.
And it makes anything you want to say or do around him possible.
It's so cool.
I mean, it's the kind of characters.
I mean, what I was saying is it's like if my dad was a little bit more this generation, he would write a character like John McAfee.
He's the Hunter S. Thompson, that guy.
Yeah, and those are exactly the kind of characters that I really like.
Well, isn't it fun that you're doing that now?
I mean, so all right, so the deepfake, I think I want him in there.
If you can't actually produce McAfee himself, we'll get him in there.
If I cannot reveal.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's a thing.
Let's see what I can do.
So my view is, and obviously we both know and love Andrew Breitbart, politics being downstream of culture.
Totally.
That's where you're sitting.
So you're sitting there.
Do you think we're making any impact?
We mentioned Daily Wire in the break and the fact that they're putting out some movies.
I liked running, shooting, fighting, whatever it was.
I think daytime television is great.
Everybody needs daytime TV.
We've got more players in the game.
And like I said, who would have ever considered conservative audiences and Westerns?
I would have never put that together.
That's like a really revolutionary thought.
That is like true.
That's art.
Like I would never have ever thought of putting conservative audiences together with Westerns.
The pithy dryness in the room is like the desert and there's one horse.
It's like a crude Eastwood thing coming right now.
I can't even imagine.
Anyways.
But yeah, look, more voice is not less, right?
Andrew Breitbart.
It just needs to be that times 2000.
It's not just about my little production company that's kind of more of a growing little art house thing that's a little bit more what it is.
There's all kinds of folks.
There's plenty of up-and-coming... I don't even want to say right-leaning, because I just mean dissident film people, directors, musicians, etc.
I know because I'm on chat groups with all of them, so they're really riled up.
This is what I like though, because you say dissident, you say art house, you say those things that used to be the left, but the left now is the establishment.
They left it on the table.
Yeah, they did.
That's what's great.
And we took it.
It's positive.
It's the only positive thing right now.
Every form of art and culture has been left on the table for the right.
And it's funny because they can't make a movie now without checking every PC block and everything.
They boxed themselves This is the best thing is that okay so their PC agenda is is coming straight into contact with like China and places like Saudi Arabia's like movie rules because you know Saudi Arabia is like playing American movies now and so like they're like get this gay stuff out of here.
Why is everybody in your movie trans?
Oh, no worries.
We'll take that out for you, Saudi Arabia.
But for the United States, everyone's gay in the movie.
It's just watching it, if you're not forced to work in Hollywood, watching it implode is really funny.
Oh, yeah.
I'm happy.
None of it makes any sense.
When we watch a movie now, I immediately start to figure out, OK, which character is going to be gay?
Which one's going to be?
Because they're going to have one.
They have to.
They have to check each block.
And so it's a question of as they introduce them, you have to figure out, OK, that guy's obviously black.
So there we go.
But they don't have an Asian person yet.
It's also weird how there's like, so I was watching this, you know about this Anna Delvery?
How do you say her last name?
Delvery Story?
You know, the girl, the fake German heiress.
Oh, yes.
So I love this story because these are the kind of catch-me-if-you-can stories that I'm really drawn to.
So I totally dug into the series.
But one thing I noticed in it is the only sexuality in the entire thing, the only attraction that isn't some... the only sex that's even considered in it is homosexual sex.
Between a transgender person and whatever.
I don't care.
I'll watch the stuff.
I don't want to watch that.
It's not graphic or anything.
The series is still entertaining.
It was just so odd because you were like...
So, like, anything but male-female sexuality is okay.
Like, just anything but things that start families is okay.
Well, and that's their game, and the fun thing is— There's a reason behind that, though.
I mean, I prattle on about that all the time.
Well, let's prattle a little more after the break, because it's one of my favorite things, too.
We're talking with Amanda Milius, plot against the president in the upcoming The McAfee Tapes.
John McAfee Tapes.
I'll get it right after the break.
This is Jim Hanson.
We're doing America First Radio.
Mike's back on.
So the last segment's how long?
Three and a half.
Three and a half.
So we can be quick, but let's just go back down the PC.
Yeah, what do you want to talk about?
Do you have anything else you want to hit?
Because otherwise I just want to go down the path we were on.
Okay.
But if you got something.
No, I mean, we're just working.
We're waiting for lawyers.
We're fundraising.
The unfun part.
Yeah, we're just doing the behind-the-scenes, not-super-fun part.
But you got to do it.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's like the thing that we do.
Well, like, we don't skip the boring, boring part of filmmaking and then get surprised when the movie doesn't, you know what I mean?
When when it's easier to to attack it, like, our stuff is pretty locked up.
You know, which is why I don't make movies about some of the things people ask, you know, they're like, why don't you make a movie about, you know, the election?
And you're like, well, we're like five years away from even like having any kind of reasonable data to like actually deal with that.
I mean, it's like that's what happens when when like there's a you know a coup and a bad regime takes over You're you're left without any power.
We don't have any we don't have the power of the state.
We have no idea what actually happening So but give it about four from you Yeah, a couple years worth of congressional hearings and subpoenas and we may actually know I know but at this point like what am I gonna do?
like I'm gonna run around like a lot of these guys like doing a a Like, interviewing, like, ladies that were like, I saw somebody vote twice, and be like, alright, now on to Minnesota.
Did you actually see, though, on that topic, the report from Wisconsin?
Yeah, it was.
Devastating.
I put it out on my Twitter.
I mean, I support all that stuff.
I know everybody that's working in that field, because I was in one of the states.
And I love them, they're great, and I can't believe they've kept it up.
I don't know.
I'm not going down that rabbit hole.
It's not helpful.
It's a really good way to blow up your company.
Do you have a song in mind for the last one?
You got an 80s metal song you want?
We didn't do London Calling.
No.
We didn't do that.
We didn't do that.
Alright, I'm asking Mark how soon we can get those on as t-shirts.
Yeah, that would, uh... Because it would look cool, that's the one thing.
Oh man, it's so cool.
So is that...
The End
Thank you.
Hey, it's Jim Hansen, back with the last couple minutes of America First Radio today.
And fortunately, we got Amanda Milius still talking with us.
And we were going down the path of the hilarious identity politics requirements to make anything in Hollywood right now.
I enjoy it, but we got to change it at some level, you know, or do we just let them destroy it?
Just let it nuke it from space.
It's the only way to be safe.
Yeah, we just want to leave and nuke it from space and build something else.
There's no reason to be in Hollywood.
I don't have to go there.
There's no reason to be involved with anyone from there to make a movie.
There's still some infrastructure that's very behind the scenes that I use from California, from L.A.
Are they underground?
I mean, are they like the Friends of Abe?
No!
They're hiding out?
No, but Friends of Abe, actually speaking of the Daily Wire, got blown up when...
Remember when Trump ran?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that was the end of Friends of Abe.
But it's the idea of you now as an agent provocateur, as a punk rocker, as, you know, the revolutionaries.
The revolution is ours.
It's a counter-revolution against them.
I never thought I'd get to participate in one.
Isn't that cool?
Yeah, I actually remember listening to stories about my dad and his friends taking on, at that time, the establishment, which was the studio system.
Right.
And that's what the big fight was.
And then I remember thinking like, yeah, like, that's so cool.
Like now, now everything's cool.
I'll never be able to do anything that, that, you know, throw over a system and you're like, oh, now I have to.
Not only am I going to, but I'm like, now in order to even like have a shred of hope of saving America, we have to save America's myth-making culture.
Myth-making culture.
Yeah, I mean, otherwise we're telling ourselves very bad stories about ourselves and that doesn't work.
No, because most people don't want to hate America.
You know, it has to be actually beaten into them and indoctrinated into them for years and years of the education system.
What other country gives its own population bad propaganda about itself?
I mean, that's what I'm saying.
You have to question the ruling regime when you're like, why, though, do you want to keep telling us how racist and sexist and horrible we are?
Because they want to burn it down.
That's what I'm saying.
They want that, obviously.
The culture is the telltale sign, for sure.
And that was one of the things I tried to talk about at NatCon or whatever, when I got in that big fight with David Brooks.
So poorly representing my point of view on The Searchers, which is a fine film.
Well, here's the thing.
All right.
We got to get out because the show's ending, but you're not ending and you are a shining light for all of us.
I think at this point you're doing what has needed to be done.
Keep it up, Amanda Milius.
You keep it up.
Oh, I'm never going to stop.
Plot Against the President and the upcoming McAvee.
Cool t-shirts available soon.
Blockchain.
Everywhere.
Right on.
This is Jim Hansen.
It's been a pleasure to have an 80s Metal, America First, Cold War Revisited moment with all of you.
Wolverines!
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