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March 9, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: What's the truth about bioweapon labs in Ukraine?

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	This business will get out of control.
	It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through.
	Yes, indeed.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	This is America First.
	I'm your host, Sebastian Gorka, member of the National Security Education Board, former strategist to President Trump.
	And do we have a packed show for you today.
	I've got, what, one monologue, I think, that I can devote to my analysis of the events in just the last 24 hours.
	And I have to do that with the question of the bioweapons lab, the accusations, the theories, and now the incredible testimony just yesterday on Capitol Hill regarding certain facilities in the Ukraine.
	First things first, I'm not a physicist.
	I'm not a chemist.
	I'm not a biologist.
	However, I have had to spend a bit of time in an NBC suit, as we call it in the British Army, a nuclear biological chemical protection suit.
	I have been published in Nature, the journal, the bioweapons offshoot of that journal.
	I have written about various aspects of this threat, especially when it comes to irregular warfare.
	So I'm not just pulling things out of a hat.
	I'm doing this based upon about 20 plus years of national security work.
	Originally, two weeks ago, at the beginning of the conflict, there were initial reports that Putin is invading Ukraine not to do anything with the Russian ethnic minority, not as a peacekeeping gesture or to stop the quote-unquote genocide by the Nazis, but to destroy or to capture the bioweapons labs in the Ukraine that are being run
	Covertly by the US government.
	I don't react well to accusations of that sort, and you'll understand why in the next few minutes.
	What we need to do is look at the facts on the ground, and we need to look at what we know, and the likely scenarios.
	I want us to apply critical thought to all of this.
	There is something called the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological, parentheses, Biological and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction.
	That convention was signed in April of 1972.
	And before the ink was dry on that document, which was signed by 109 countries during the Cold War...
	The then Soviet Union was in breach of that treaty.
	What this treaty says, and I'll post a copy of it, I'll put my analysis from Nature Biotechnology up on all of our social media sites, is the following.
	Bioweapons are prohibited.
	Nations must not use anthrax, for example, or a weaponized form of Ebola, or what have you, as a weapon of war.
	Prohibited.
	However, and this is what's important with regards to the Ukraine, research facilities, science done at labs by the signatory countries,
	into those weapons is permitted for defensive purposes, meaning if you're trying to find ways to protect your citizens, your forces from weaponized anthrax or what have you, that is permitted.
	The weaponization of those weapons is what is illegal.
	Putting them in formats that can be put in shells, that can be weaponized for aerosol dispersion and so forth, is internationally illegal.
	Before this document was even filed formally, with all the 109 signatories, the Soviet Union began developing the biggest illegal bioweapons production facility the world has ever seen.
	It's called Biopreparat.
	Ken Alibekov was one of the individuals who ran Biopreparat, and he escaped the Soviet Union and wrote a story, a book, his autobiography on what he did for the Soviet regime to weaponize illegally biological his autobiography on what he did for the Soviet regime to weaponize illegally happens.
	So the bad guys were doing it.
	Now, first question, according to the testimony yesterday from Victoria Newland.
	How is Victoria Newland back in the State Department?
	Seriously, I wish I had time to discuss who she is.
	She is not a good person.
	Anyway, she is now a senior Biden appointee in the State Department at Foggy Bottom.
	And she testified open session with Marco Rubio and others in the Senate about US programs in Ukraine that are funding biological weapons research facilities.
	So yes, they exist.
	Now, the fact that she's talking in open session about them means it's not a big super secret.
	It's not some George Soros plot to take over the world because he wouldn't be testifying about it in the Senate in open session unclassified.
	Nevertheless, I have a few questions.
	After our experience with Fauci and Wuhan, what the hell are we doing involved?
	Bioweapons research, fine, if it's defensive.
	On US soil, at Fort Detrick, at places that we can control, that aren't next to a nuclear-tipped enemy of the United States.
	Insanity!
	So let's get to the bottom of that.
	Decent senators, if there are any left.
	I know Marsha Blackburn is decent.
	Maybe you could get to the bottom of that.
	But even if there are US-funded biological weapons research facilities, why are they there?
	Do we really think?
	That Putin invaded that country because Ukraine or America were about to release anthrax in Moscow?
	Can we just stop for a second?
	Russia, Ukraine are cash cows for the establishment.
	And I don't just mean the oil, I mean look at the Clinton Foundation, which is now reopening its doors.
	Look at the fact that the Uranium One company, holding company, that was permitted to buy 20% of our uranium assets, which was approved by Hillary Clinton when she was Secretary of State.
	That company paid her husband when she was Secretary of State a cool $500,000 for one speech in Moscow.
	So let's do a little math here.
	Is there a dastardly plot by the globalists to deploy Biological weapons developed in Ukraine against Moscow when they're paying Bill Clinton half a million dollars for 40 minutes work?
	Stop!
	Apply rational analysis!
	We shouldn't be spending a stinking red cent on biological weapons facilities anywhere except But none of what we have heard justifies what we are witnessing in Ukraine right now.
	Every single day.
	The latest footage from the maternity hospital in Mariupol is devastating.
	And I don't care if they were developing offensive biological weapons in Ukraine.
	You don't get to bomb hospitals.
	Go to my Instagram feed.
	See the 10-year-old girl who was murdered by Russians because they were bored.
	Yes, bored.
	So, I won't give up on investigating what the truth of those labs is, but at the end of the day, ask the right questions and develop the scenarios that are most likely, because otherwise, we will all be victims of propaganda.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	Stay with us.
	We're going to have Mark Morano, Trish Regan, Jennifer Horne, Natalie Williams with her reporting on those labs here on America First.
	Not at all, because again, especially with all the Fauci Wuhan stuff, something like that is going to get traction as well and it needs to be cut off.
	Um...
	For a delightful little bit of non-political news, the kind of stuff that Shad would have been reporting on were he still here.
	This day in history?
	Well, today of all days, but a historical day.
	The wreckage of the Endurance was discovered.
	I know!
	It's incredible!
	It's incredibly well-preserved.
	Incredible?
	What state is it in?
	Who cares?
	Is there any gold?
	It's stupidly well-preserved.
	Really?
	You can literally see the name of the ship on the stern, on the transom.
	Is this QAnon again?
	Yes.
	That was what was going around last week.
	Wow.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	What is this source code that you sent?
	I don't know.
	It's just copied it weird.
	It's weird.
	Did you send the same thing twice?
	Same thing twice, yeah.
	That's insanity.
	Mic's off real quick.
	Mic's off real quick.
	I gotta get ready to call him up here, because he is on Skype.
	Even if you think that, you can't say that until you... You know what I mean?
	I know.
	You gotta have proof.
	You gotta have actual proof.
	Credibility, dude.
	Credibility.
	Absolute proof.
	Credibility.
	Okay.
	Dialing him up.
	Mark Marlano.
	Ringing.
	Video not available.
	Mr. Morano, can you hear us?
	Yes, I can.
	All right.
	We hear you.
	We do not see you yet, but the mics are live on our Rumble livestreams.
	We are 100 seconds from going back on the radio.
	Oh, we've got that cut, right?
	The White House guy?
	Yes.
	We have him on screen.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Which cut?
	I'm sorry?
	Dalip Singh, cut five.
	I'm going to use that here with Mark.
	Yes, we have it.
	All right.
	What was the name of the Newsmax reporter we had on yesterday?
	Holton.
	Chuck Holton.
	H-O-L-T-O.
	Alright, I'm gonna play a cut, and then I'll come to you, Mark.
	Okay, great.
	Yep.
	Framing is good.
	Shot looks good.
	Audio sounds good.
	Thank you very much.
	Uh, well, do foot for the poor and see.
	Alright.
	Um, you got a title in mind for monologue and or pre-record?
	Um... Monologue, like, something about conspiracy theories as the key, or bioweapons conspiracy theories.
	Ukraine's bio-weapons lab.
	Bio-weapons labs.
	Bio-weapons labs.
	Okay.
	And then, um, Spalding... Something about China, Taiwan, probably.
	Um, no, he said something really interesting.
	Okay, 30 seconds.
	Yep.
	We have time.
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	I guess we just should believe what they say when it comes to energy policy in America.
	This is the White House advisor Dalip Singh on MSNBC with really the strategic goal.
	Cut five.
	What I can tell you, though, Willie, is even if we drilled as much as we could, the price of oil is still set globally by the demand and supply conditions.
	And much of that supply is controlled by tyrants like Putin.
	And again, that's why we have resolved to speed our transition towards cleaner, more sustainable and renewable sources of energy.
	Yep, get rid of oil, because I guess only dictators sell oil.
	And here we have the Secretary of Energy, Granholm, on the only solution.
	Cut 9.
	Egregious activities of Vladimir Putin.
	So this is why increasing production is really, and increasing clean energy, transitioning to clean energy, are the solutions for.
	Like Stephen Colbert said, just buy a Tesla.
	Let's talk about the ramifications of all of this with the author of Green Fraud, why the Green New Deal is even worse than you think.
	He's the creator, the founder of ClimateDepot.com, Mark Morano.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Happy to be here.
	I can only roll my eyes, especially the Stephen Colbert line.
	Yeah.
	So can we say now that they've come out of the closet and they've just basically declared war on fossil fuels, Mark?
	They're absolutely admitting it.
	I mean, first of all, you played Secretary Granholm there, Jennifer Granholm.
	She literally was in a 2008 video with climate activist Bill McKibben, where they rapped and sang about gasoline.
	We got to keep it in the ground.
	The world's aflame due to climate change.
	We can't drill gasoline.
	You have to stay in the ground.
	This is our freaking Energy Secretary of the United States of America singing and dancing, promoting the idea that gas has to stay in the ground.
	So you knew something was afoot when Joe Biden picked her.
	And absolutely, this is what their goal is.
	As I've said, these are not the unintended consequences of Green New Steel policies.
	These are the intended consequences.
	Because on the heels of this, just a few weeks ago, former Obama Treasury official Mark Mazur said the quiet part out loud.
	Quote, we don't want to lower prices for fossil fuel buyers.
	We prefer higher prices to achieve climate change goals.
	Direct quote, Sebastian.
	They are letting the cat out of the bag.
	They're letting everyone know it.
	This goes back to 2008 when Obama's Energy Secretary Stephen Chu announced, I believe it was before a congressional hearing, that we want European-style gas prices in the United States.
	Guess what?
	Mission accomplished.
	Yeah.
	Let's just ask the logical question.
	They want to transfer us, transition to zero fossil fuels, zero emissions.
	Number one, is that even physically possible?
	What life would that result in for Americans?
	And if it were possible, how long would it take, Mark Murano?
	Well, let's go back to the 1970s.
	First of all, the Washington Post lamented Jimmy Carter didn't win a second term, because if Jimmy Carter had won, we'd have no climate crisis.
	They were mad that Ronald Reagan won in 1980.
	But look at what Jimmy Carter claimed in the 1970s.
	They claimed within a decade or two decades, solar and wind and renewable energy was going to take over.
	It never happened.
	In 1980, John Holdren, I'm sorry, Paul Ehrlich was on Johnny Carson's TV show, The Tonight Show, predicting the end of oil in 10 years, that we were going to run out.
	There's one thing they've always been is spectacularly wrong.
	Now to answer your question, Solar and wind power alone, we're less than 4% of U.S.
	energy production.
	The latest year numbers are available.
	They're somehow gonna turn this 4% to magically transform the entire fossil fuel output of America.
	Oil, gas, coal.
	And remember, fossil fuels are used in everything from materials for clothing and plastics and machines.
	This isn't like you can't make clothing or plastics out of solar power.
	I mean, this is just nonsense.
	And what do you condemn other nations?
	So number one, you know, you can't turn 4% into 100%.
	Number two, the countries that simply will not do this, like China or India.
	And then if we're serious about this, what are we going to condemn Africa to not having plastic bottles that they can actually transfer clean drinking water in?
	It's insanity, is it not?
	It's absolute insanity, but here's how they got away with it.
	For decades, I use the example of Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, I believe it was 2008, he signed his big historic California climate bill.
	Everyone patted Arnold Schwarzenegger on the back, great job, all the virtue signaling, environmentalists, celebrities, he was the hero of the moment.
	Guess what?
	He didn't have to face the consequences of his climate change bill.
	California didn't until many years after he was out of office.
	We now see the results.
	Blackouts, shortages, highest energy costs in the country, in California.
	So what I'm getting at is decades these politicians were able to have these goals.
	10, 20 years ahead, sign all these net zero agreements, do Green New Deal, climate emergency declarations, without any blowback, without any consequence.
	But the chickens have come home to roost, and Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine has literally exposed the lie of green energy, exposed the lie of the United Nations Climate Panel, exposed the lie of the Green New Deal, because we're realizing that it's not even That's theoretically feasible.
	Sure, they can still say net zero by 2050.
	They have all these laudable goals in their minds well decades into the future.
	But the here and now, where everyone lives, we're being screwed royally by these policies.
	And there's no way.
	How are you going to get products to grocery stores and shipments with diesel fuel?
	Are we going to put windmills on trucks now and solar panels?
	This is just, it's insanity.
	Its ideology has taken over common sense and it's on display now for all the world to see.
	And if we don't reopen the shale, the gas, the XL Keystone, the price of gas is just going to go up and up and up, correct?
	Yes, again, these are energy market futures.
	So, you know, when you come into office on day one and you announce, I'm not even going to go through the list.
	We've all heard it over and over.
	Everything that Joe Biden's done just to shut down and hammer American energy.
	That sends a signal to the marketplace that America is closed for business.
	And here's the thing.
	So what happens is these future markets, based on five, 10 years in the future, gas prices, gasoline markets, literally react.
	And that's what we're seeing.
	And that's why they react daily as every announcement comes or as Biden refuses to open up.
	So yes, it would take a while for energy to flow.
	I would say within a year, though, we could start seeing results.
	The most egregious thing here, Sebastian, is Jen Psaki going out with this lie every single day about all these permits.
	I'm going to break this down for you a little bit here.
	There was some great work by the Western Fuel Alliance who actually... We've got 30 seconds left.
	Can you stay with us?
	Because I wanted to ask you about these 9,000 unused permits.
	Can you stay on the line?
	Sure, I could stay.
	All right.
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	Back with Mark and the lies from Jen Psaki.
	All right, let's hit that hard when we come back, all let's hit that hard when we come back, all right?
	We've got the three-minute break, Mark.
	Okay, no problem.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Can you, uh, play Cut Eleven?
	Cut Eleven.
	Floor your own body.
	Masturbation is really healthy, and I recommend it to people of all ages.
	All ages.
	As soon as my nephews could talk, they were doing that.
	That's what they were doing.
	Kids touch themselves.
	How is this happening in Kentucky?
	Of all places.
	ask questions and we teach them the language for their bodies, right?
	That's your nose.
	Touch your nose.
	Show aunt T you can touch your nose.
	But my sister's not saying that when they're tugging at their penis, right?
	But it feels good, right?
	We have to learn ways to talk to young people about this so that they know how to explore their body consensually so that it's not in public, right?
	How is this happening in Kentucky?
	Of all places.
	What?
	You got liberals everywhere.
	Have you seen that they've scrubbed their website?
	They did?
	Yeah, since it blew yesterday.
	You can't find their bios anymore about how they're Wiccans and witches and all this stuff.
	It almost would be fake.
	I mean, it's unbelievable.
	Yeah, it's pushing it, but... Alright, give me a cut.
	Go 678. 678.
	The world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe.
	If this was happening anywhere else, would we see the same outpouring of support and compassion?
	But we don't need to ask ourselves if the international response would be the same if Russia unleashed their horror on a country that wasn't white and largely Christian.
	Then she brought up places like Syria.
	There was action taken in Syria when the innocent Syrian people had chemical weapons used against them, not once but twice.
	And guess, Joy, who did that?
	It was President Donald Trump who sent Tomahawk missiles in to destroy an airfield and make sure that these people knew never to use chemical weapons against their people again.
	So action was taken, of course, by Donald Trump.
	Definitely, we need The balaclava is not a good look for your security team.
	They should not be wearing balaclavas.
	And the Ukraine is fighting not just for our own soil or for our sovereignty and territory and integrity.
	Putin fighting not with Ukraine, Putin fighting with the West.
	The balaclava is not a good look for your security team.
	They should not be wearing balaclavas.
	That's just my opinion.
	It's four.
	Four.
	As you mentioned, people we've spoken to over the last couple weeks, they're okay paying higher prices if it means holding Russia accountable for what they are doing in Ukraine.
	Long as they don't show any proof of that.
	Yeah, I'd love to hear the truck driver who thinks it's a great idea.
	All right, 50 seconds, Mark.
	Okay, thanks.
	Or Uber drivers.
	What?
	Yeah, Uber drivers.
	That's just infuriating.
	Yeah, Uber drivers.
	Yeah, I don't know how they're dealing with this.
	Your gas doubles in price.
	Chris Plant was talking about his buddy who has a helicopter.
	He says, it cost me $500 to fill up my helicopter yesterday.
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	We are back with the founder of ClimateDepot.com.
	Mark Murano is the author, most recently, of Green Fraud, Why the Green New Deal is Even Worse Than You Think.
	And he kind of did a Vulcan mind meld.
	I was going to ask about this constant Jen Psaki refrain, this meme of the 9,000 unused approved drilling permits.
	Mark, you've got some stats.
	What's the truth about this White House canard?
	Well, this could, okay, technically on paper, yes, there are the 9,000 wells she talks about.
	But what she doesn't mention is first off, over almost 5,000 permits are awaiting approval, number one.
	Number two is the Biden administration has shut down a lot of these pipelines.
	Without the pipelines to move oil and gas on these federal lands, there's no way you can get the oil out of it.
	Right, so a drilling permit is one thing, but if you can't move the oil, it's irrelevant.
	It gets worse, though.
	It's also just because they have a permit on land doesn't mean they've done all the exploration and looked into it.
	Well, you know what that takes?
	It takes financing.
	People say, oh, the oil companies are so rich.
	No, President Biden came in with his Treasury Department.
	In fact, every cabinet agency is a climate agency.
	But under Janet Yellen, she's called climate change an existential threat.
	That's our biggest financial problem.
	There might be a bad storm that could affect our economy.
	God forbid we have a bad storm that could affect the economy.
	But they have literally come in and decapitalized, defunded and stopped the banks from lending.
	So, yes, you have a permit that, A, you can't move the oil, B, you can't get the financing to start it because the banks are doing something called environment social governance style.
	policies that are coming from our Treasury Department that are literally stripping fossil fuels of any money.
	You get a bad social credit score.
	You have to get higher interest rates.
	Banks know where the money is coming from.
	And also Biden's opening salvo as in his administration was threatening to jail fossil fuel executives when to get rid of fossil fuels.
	What sane investor during this administration is going to invest in oil and gas exploration, particularly on these federal lands that Jen Psaki keeps talking about.
	And here's the other kicker.
	There are at least 2,000, I think 2,200, that the Western Fuel Alliance is fighting environmental groups, many times in coordination with the Biden administration.
	So you may have your permit, but you're tied up in court for years, which takes time, money, manpower.
	This is the insanity.
	So in other words, on paper, yes, Jen Psaki is 100% accurate, and she would never tell a lie.
	But when you look beneath it, there's absolutely no way these 9,000 wells could get developed given every other policy the Biden administration has done.
	It's so devious.
	It's so cynical.
	There are even numerous permits in Alaska, Mark, and I'm sure you know this, that have been, are either waiting or have been provided, have been approved, but they require ice roads to get to the drilling site and the permit For the ice road has not been given, which means you can't even physically get to the place you want to drill.
	Last question.
	We've got 30 seconds left with Mark Morano, the founder of climatedepot.com.
	Follow him at Mark with a C Morano on Twitter.
	How quickly could all of this be turned around in terms of energy independence if there was a new administration?
	Well, let's say Donald Trump were inaugurated tomorrow.
	I think you would see, if he opened up for business like he did back when in January 2017, I think you would see an immediate effect on the barrel cost of gasoline.
	I think you'd see an immediate effect on energy prices just because it would send a signal to the marketplace.
	Remember, economics, energy market, this is all about anxiety.
	The stock market is about anxiety.
	So right now, everyone's anxious because as you're seeing, the stupidity of the Biden administration doubling down on failure with renewable energy.
	So yeah, it would take at least a year, though, to get actual, but I think it would have an immediate impact on prices and help the consumer just to send the signal that America's open for energy business again.
	Incompetence combined with arrogance is a deadly, deadly combination.
	Thank you, Marc Marano.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Okay.
	Mic's back on.
	Give me some options as to what we could do instead.
	Alright.
	Title for that?
	Saki's 900 Oil Wells.
	900 or 9,000?
	9,000, sorry.
	9,000.
	Oil Wells, okay.
	And the Spalding Peer Record?
	9,000, sorry.
	9,000.
	Oil wells.
	Okay.
	And the spalling period record?
	Oh, Trish's phone, right?
	Yeah.
	She said video, didn't she, this week?
	No, she said phone.
	Two minutes.
	Something maybe about the China-Russia alliance?
	Oh, um...
	China's role.
	Oh, China's role in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
	Nice.
	Okay, Merch Patriot Mobile here.
	Mm-hmm.
	Invasion of Ukraine. - Okay.
	Got a few people in the chat asking you to talk about a certain something involving...
	Hang on.
	Come on.
	Could be interesting.
	70 seconds.
	Can you just print that first thing from janitor?
	Which one?
	The one about the two-year-olds and the masks.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, from Jennifer.
	Jennifer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Jennifer Horne.
	Yeah.
	Hello, America First.
	You appear to have made contact.
	That's fine.
	Just remember the mic's alive on Rumble.
	Hang on.
	Mic's live.
	45 seconds. 45 seconds.
	I thought you were coming on video this week.
	Trish?
	Next week.
	What?
	How are you?
	Once a year I'm gonna get to see you on video?
	Yes, yes.
	We'll do more than once a year.
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	Trish Regan, welcome back to America First.
	It's so good to be here, and I'm excited, Seb, because I've got some interesting things to report.
	Yeah, let's talk about the fact that... Can you imagine being the most powerful man in the world, and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and UAE don't return your calls?
	Such an utter embarrassment.
	We are groveling to Venezuela to buy their oil, but you've got some good news from there.
	Give us the good news.
	Yeah, well, so first of all, I just want to be realist here, okay?
	And you know my allegiance is to America and America only.
	And I want America to succeed and America's economy to be thriving.
	And my worry, and I have heard from You know, many, many sources.
	There's fears in the White House of $180 oil.
	There's fears on Wall Street of $200 oil.
	Meanwhile, the Russians are saying it could be $300 a barrel.
	Look, any way you slice it, if we don't figure this one out, which, by the way, starts with drilling at home, if we don't figure this out, we are going to be looking at $9 at the gas pumps, I kid you not, by Memorial Day weekend.
	That's how quickly this thing will take off, because you're taking so much supply out of the global marketplace.
	So I'm thinking to myself about all this, as we go around the world, right, and we think about who we could be doing business with, and I mention this only because I have always wanted to see, maybe there's a little Putin in me, in terms of wanting to see a united front in terms of our western hemisphere.
	I have always wanted to see a united Western Hemisphere that can stand up to Iran, that can stand up to China, that can stand up to Russia, which is why I've always wanted to see Venezuela have that relationship with us.
	Now let me just back up.
	The good news I want to share with you, and I reported this over the weekend, I was the only one to have this information, the Venezuelans let two American hostages go.
	So that's encouraging, right?
	And part of this, I suspect even the White House will say, oh, no, it's not related.
	It is kind of related.
	I think Venezuela very badly would love to be able to sell its oil.
	It's sanctioned right now.
	Love to sell its oil on the open market to the U.S.
	and to the European Union.
	What was really irritating me was the idea that somehow we were still buying Russian oil, you know, as of a couple of days ago, and yet we were sanctioning Venezuela.
	Now, I'm not saying Venezuela is the be all end all, but in the scheme of things, I mean, it's a heck of a lot more Western than some of these other places.
	And I would add that if you can get in there and have influence and kick all the darn Russians out because they're hanging out in Venezuela, that is wrong.
	We need to get them out of there.
	We need the Iranians out of there.
	We need the Chinese out of there.
	And let's think about America first, for goodness sakes.
	This is what we need to really, I think we're going to have to manage this crisis.
	Otherwise, we're going to be in a recession and you can't be looking at $9 at the gas pump.
	Yeah.
	Talk to us about the reality of the market you understand so well, Trish, because for me it's a lot of voodoo.
	What did Greenspan call it?
	Unjustified exuberance or what have you?
	Irrational exuberance.
	What happens when the market gets jittery?
	When they understand that the White House is not run by people who understand, they don't want to unleash energy, and just the role purely of one word and how it affects everybody listening to that show, and that word is uncertainty, Trish.
	So, I'm sorry, but you need this to be a three-pronged approach, okay?
	You start with the most obvious.
	Drill in America, for goodness sakes.
	Jen Psaki got up there and said, oh, well, you know, there's 7,000 leases.
	You should be asking the oil companies why they're not drilling.
	The reason they're not investing in those projects is it requires a lot of capital, a lot of money up front, right, to be able to put all this stuff into play.
	And then you run the risk that the administration is going to say, uh-uh, nope, just like they did to Keystone.
	So as an investor, logically speaking, why would you invest in all the infrastructure to get oil out of the ground in the United States of America if you're worried that Joe Biden and company are going to tell you no way, Jose, right?
	You're just not going to do it.
	So that's partly what's going on.
	That has to change.
	And I'm saying this, I feel like, again, from a very let's do what's good for America perspective, I have no bias against green energy consumption.
	Guys, go for it.
	I mean, I've told you, I've been looking at a Tesla, you know, to drive around town.
	I think they're great cars.
	I love Elon Musk.
	I have no problem with the green energy front, but you're not going to flip the switch and change 99.9% of the vehicles.
	Even Musk has tweeted out, this is sheer insanity and we've got the drill.
	I mean, are you seeing any sign of rational behavior amongst the policymakers?
	I think it's, I mean, I think the Venezuela thing is encouraging.
	And don't forget that the ambassador there was appointed by Donald Trump.
	Yes.
	And you've got a lot of people that Trump actually put this all into play.
	I just want to say that because he recognized that we were better off having a good relationship with Venezuela.
	Yes, he sanctioned the Maduro regime.
	Under the thought that that would cause that regime to go bye-bye, and you would see the opposition get in.
	The opposition has not been able to manage that, but yet, in the meantime, you've got a regime in place there, an administration that has shown some willingness.
	They're like, please, can we do business with you guys?
	And I just think, I'm trying to be a rational individual here, I just think that in the interest of America, You probably want to get access to the Orinoco region, which I've been to, has 300 billion barrels of proven oil reserves in the ground.
	That's bigger than Saudi Arabia, by the way.
	I've never understood why we don't get our hands in there.
	I mean, come on, let's not kid ourselves.
	You need the oil.
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	Thunder Hanson's music 90 seconds So we got Shannon the next hour Oh, a loaded second hour.
	That's right.
	OK.
	We got my pillow here.
	Do you want to come in with the audio?
	Yeah!
	And do you want to talk about the cigars here?
	That's a good idea.
	I'll talk about the cigars and then I'm going to do the Grisham cut, which is... What is it?
	Three.
	And let me know if you want to talk through the midterm intro at any point in the next hour.
	Yeah.
	Oh, definitely with Cordy and C. All right.
	Sounds good.
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	But what if somebody came in and said, you know what?
	We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
	So it's more of a reputation risk.
	That is the senior vice president of the Heartland Financial Bank in Minnesota that shut down nine of Mike Lindell's bank accounts.
	Let's support him right now.
	The big box stores came after him first.
	Now it's his bank!
	They want to destroy him.
	Why?
	Because he's a conservative.
	He loves America and he's a truth teller.
	He has more than 150 incredible products, not just the MyPillow of which he has sold 51 million.
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	I got another.
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	I got a big box of cigars yesterday, including Nub and Oliva right here.
	Roger, you are a scholar and a gentleman.
	I've already handed out some to Mr. G. I've given some of our Special project cigars to Eric and John.
	I think we'll have to share the information on that momentarily as soon as everything is squared away.
	Super excited.
	So thank you, Roger.
	Thank you to everybody who's so kind.
	Let's change the subject to somebody who's I don't know if I can find the word on national radio.
	There's a woman who, did she outrank me?
	I don't know if she outranked me in the White House.
	She was deputy press spokesperson.
	Her name was Stephanie Grisham.
	I actually know her mother, which makes this even more disturbing.
	Stephanie Grisham wasn't a conscript in the Trump administration, but she hates President Trump.
	And she just went on The View to talk about why she hates him.
	Stephanie Grisham, cut three.
	Rightfully so?
	Were you conscripted?
	I have a 14-year-old son who is gay, recently came out as gay, which I have his permission to talk about this, by the way.
	And he didn't want to tell his friends where I worked.
	You know, he was like, he was ashamed of where I worked, rightfully so. - Rightfully so?
	Were you conscripted?
	Did somebody put you in flexi-cuffs to become assistant to the president for press?
	How dare you?
	What that demons- and using your 14 year old quote-unquote gay son as a prop on television in that nest of harpies, the deranged individuals on the view, disgusted at your employer, you volunteered Like me.
	You're a politically commissioned officer of the President of the United States.
	So it talks to your soul that you did that.
	Either under false pretenses, or now you're lying about it.
	And I hope your mother is ashamed of you, Stephanie Grisham.
	Thank you.
	Thank you. . .
	I'm always on!
	She's never off.
	We hear you, waiting for you to call us on Skype.
	I'm gonna call you on Skype.
	Oh, I lowered my volume.
	Yeah, I can hear.
	Two minutes.
	Zwei Minuten!
	Alright, answering.
	Oh, they were disappearing.
	Disappearing again, because of the screen behind you, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Hold on.
	I look blank though, huh?
	Connected.
	It says video not available.
	It'll probably kick on in a moment.
	Hey, Mike?
	Oh, shit!
	What's so funny, horn?
	I am obviously a ditz.
	I was like, oh gosh, there's no video.
	And I went, Mike, and he was standing right over my shoulder.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	How do we do?
	Looks good.
	As usual.
	That color suits you.
	It's Republican red, baby!
	Uh, excuse me?
	Every party in the world that's left-wing is red.
	All conservatives are blue.
	I know, but at this point... Flip it back!
	Flip it back!
	But everybody associates them as red.
	They flipped it.
	Why can't we flip it back?
	Red's a more aggressive color.
	Because the commies are red!
	I'm on board with you on this.
	By the way, do you know who agrees with this?
	Do you know who agrees with you on this?
	Plot!
	Who?
	Sue Prager.
	Sue Prager.
	Oh, good!
	Good for Sue.
	Because I was wearing a very lovely blue jacket, and she goes, ugh, this is the color the Democrats, I mean, the Republicans should have, not the Democrats.
	Facts.
	Facts.
	Only factual information.
	All right, we've got 26 seconds.
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	Greetings, dear friends!
	How did it get to be the second hour of the show already?
	That sheer insanity!
	It just flies by.
	The third hour, we will be talking to the vice president of the American Foreign Policy Council, a true expert on Russia, because his parents actually escaped the Soviet Union.
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	But right now, let's go to the West Coast to our warrior princess, host of The Morning Answer, AM 590, AM 870.
	The Answer, also CRNtalk.com.
	Jennifer Horne, are you there?
	I am here, Dr. G. Good morning.
	Good afternoon.
	I'm telling you, I'm losing it today.
	Never, never.
	We don't believe you, you hardest working lady in radio.
	First things first, I'm still jelly at you.
	I am jelly since I was on your show yesterday that you've been to the new Disney Star Wars ride.
	How dare you go without me?
	The first thing I wanted to tell you when we talked yesterday, I was thinking about you all weekend because I did go to Disneyland for the first time in, it had to have been four years I think, and that Star Wars ride, brand new, it's called Rise of the Resistance.
	It's really incredible.
	No spoilers, but just tell us a little bit about that experience because I'm so excited and I know Jeff is too.
	You're part of the resistance.
	I'm sure he is.
	Because he loves science fiction.
	I knew he did.
	I know he loves science fiction and theme parks.
	They seem right up his alley.
	But no, you're part of the resistance and you get captured and you have to find your way out.
	What?
	So it's like an RPG?
	It's a role playing game?
	Really kind of cool.
	It's, I mean, you're in there for 18 minutes solid and it's very immersive.
	So it's not just like you wait in line and you get on a ride.
	The beginning part of the ride is actually like a walkthrough.
	You feel like you're on the spaceship.
	You're walking through the hall.
	Oh my gosh.
	Did you get a lightsaber and an X-wing?
	No, but you can buy those.
	They are available for purchase.
	You can make your own lightsaber.
	You can make your own droid.
	I mean, you know, if you've got 180 bucks to drop at Disneyland, they'll take it.
	Wow, okay.
	Gotta be done.
	Absolutely mandatory.
	Okay, Jennifer, let's get down to business.
	Do you get a lot of trolls on social media?
	I've had a few trolls.
	Yeah, you know, there's trollier days.
	Some days are worse than others.
	Why?
	We haven't rehearsed this with you, but I want a little sanity check.
	So there's this little bit of... I don't know if you've been following the brouhaha here in the swamp between Jenna Ellis, former attorney to the president and the The chairman of the American Conservative Union, Matt Schlapp.
	I've got some requests on Rumble to discuss it because I put my oar in a little bit.
	I tried to be a little bit of a broker, a peace broker between Jenna and Matt and I failed.
	He wrote a tweet about the cheat, that guy who's breaking all swimming records as a fake woman.
	And I retweeted it and I said, Matt, what do you mean, her, in quotes?
	OK?
	And he apologized.
	He said, you know, he shouldn't have used that.
	He's a conservative man, can't be a woman.
	And he's coming from the Catholic, you know, hate the sin, love the sinner, which is fine.
	And he explained it to me and explained it to the Daily Caller.
	Jenner is refusing to, you know, down her weapons and is continuing on the attack.
	But it's so weird.
	The only thing I did is I put her in quotes with a question mark because it's a man.
	Right.
	And since then, I'm not joking Jen, every flipping hour I've got multiple DMs from these rabid, everyone's got an LGBT bloody rainbow flag in their Twitter and it's these disgusting perverted sexual stuff about my mother blah blah blah.
	Where does that come from?
	I've never done that.
	I've never DM'd somebody.
	I've never done that.
	I've never used that kind of disgusting language.
	And I'm curious, can you help me out here?
	Why is the tolerant LGBT community such a bunch of filthy haters?
	Well, because those tolerant people on the left are only tolerant if you engage in the homogenized thought that they all engage in.
	So, when you kind of, you know, you poke that wasp's nest, what they try to do, and I've noticed this, especially when it comes to this subject matter, they try to make you as uncomfortable as possible by going as dirty and as vulgar as possible.
	Because they think that somehow you're threatened with their sexuality.
	The truth is we are all just speaking truth, right?
	They get to speak their truth, so why can't you or Matt Schlapp or Jenna Ellis be able to speak...
	The truth!
	Yeah, the truth!
	Thank you very much.
	The truth, exactly, collectively.
	It is very bizarre, though.
	It is this particular, I think it is this particular community of trolls on social media that hide behind their keyboard, that think that just because you might make a comment that they don't agree with, that they can try to repulse, I guess, I don't know, if they're trying to scare you out, or if they're trying to get you to go away, but they want to make you as uncomfortable as possible.
	They just want to get a rise out of me.
	But this is the way to deal with the lies.
	So Ron DeSantis is under fire for his bill protecting pre-K students and he dealt with a reporter the way that all reporters really should be dealt with if they're fake news.
	Let's share this with Jen.
	Cup 2, play Cup.
	Does it say that in the bill?
	I know that you support Does it say that in the bill?
	I'm asking you to tell me what's in the bill because you are pushing false narratives.
	It doesn't matter what critics say.
	Hold on, it says it bans classroom instruction on sexual identity and gender orientation.
	For who?
	For grades pre-K through three.
	So five-year-olds, six-year-olds, seven-year-olds.
	And the idea that you wouldn't be honest about that and tell people what it actually says, it's why people don't trust people like you because you peddle false narratives.
	And so we disabuse you of those narratives.
	And we're going to make sure that parents are able to send their kid to kindergarten without having some of this stuff injected into their school curriculum.
	Yeah, this is the fake news, don't say gay bill, which is about not having sexual gender identity lectures for pre-k kids.
	You're far too nice a lady.
	You're a princess.
	I think that's how you should always deal with the fake news.
	Your reaction to that count from Ron?
	He could have even been more brutal with them because the amount of misinformation, false information, leading people down a path that is just simply not true, it is immense around this.
	The fact that they're calling this the Don't Say Gay Bill, it's criminal.
	This has nothing to do with marginalizing kids.
	This is about not using vulgar sexual curriculum for kindergarten or pre-K to third graders.
	And, you know, we have the same situation a few years ago.
	You may have remembered it in California where parents were outraged when they started to learn about the curriculum, the sex ed curriculum that was being taught to young kids, babies in elementary school classrooms.
	And parents fought back.
	At least they tried for a little while.
	But anybody who dares to stand up was somehow, you know, again, just knocked down by the left as being hateful.
	Well, no, we don't want our kids to be given a list of pronouns to make big decisions about when they're in the second grade.
	Nobody is capable of making those decisions when they are six years old and it doesn't seem right.
	We even had instances of them talking about sexual Interactions with animals and with all sorts of things in fifth grade classrooms in California.
	So I applaud Ron DeSantis for kind of getting in the mud a little bit with this reporter who was trying to spread false information about what's really in the bill.
	If you read through it, there is nothing offensive about what was passed and what will be signed in Florida.
	It's simply protecting younger kids from curriculum that could be damaging or too mature for them to deal with.
	Let parents decide.
	I want to talk about how California is reacting to the events in Europe.
	Jennifer, in Maryland we had a gas increase more than 30 cents a gallon in less than a day.
	What's the price where you are right now in California?
	Ask me what I paid when I went to Disneyland.
	What did you pay?
	$6.40 per gallon.
	A gallon?
	For regular, for 87.
	Oh my gosh.
	Now, that's not the norm.
	There is, you know, you hear a lot about price gouging on the left.
	I don't know if that's necessarily true.
	Price gouging has occurred all the time in high-frequency areas.
	Disneyland, obviously a doorstrap.
	There's opportunists there, so I was in desperate need, and so $6.40 it was, but we're paying about $5.50 to $0.60 for a gallon of regular gasoline right now.
	But it's okay.
	Colbert is prepared to pay $15 because he earns, not a joke guys, a million plus a month.
	$15 million a year.
	We figured it out on the morning show today.
	$360,000 a paycheck if he's paid every two weeks after taxes.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I think you can probably afford it, like Mayor Pete said.
	Just buy a Tesla, just buy a Prius.
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	But then he loved every ride at the end. - It was fun.
	It was really nice to have no masks and to feel like we were back to normal a little bit.
	And were some people wearing masks?
	A few, but mostly everybody was without.
	And all the staff were, right?
	Yes, the staff did have masks on, still.
	But it's been a lot better, I gotta say.
	I don't think I realized how much of a psychological impact the masking and the vaccine card checks and stuff, how it has.
	It feels, I don't know, it felt nice to just be back out without having to deal with all that stuff.
	I bet, I bet.
	Two years of it.
	It was crazy.
	I don't get how Grant is surviving with the price of fuel in his company.
	He sold it.
	What?
	The truck company?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he sold it.
	No way!
	He sold it probably just in the nick of time, actually.
	Probably November, I want to say.
	Oh my gosh.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	I don't know how he'd be doing that.
	He'll be in town on Friday.
	Where?
	Here in L.A.
	We do these auction items for Move America Forward, where you can come in and have breakfast with the talent, and so we had five people bid on us, so they're coming in for breakfast on Friday, so he'll be there for that.
	Jeff, can you get John to post cut 11, cut 1, and what else is good?
	What else is good, he asks.
	The, whatchamacallit, the sexy camp.
	That's what I said, eleven.
	Eleven and one.
	Joy Reed, cut six.
	Should we do that, six?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay, good.
	How's your little cat?
	She's adorable.
	I mean, she's a terrorist, but she's adorable.
	Is she behaving?
	I might send her to Ukraine to help them fight the Russians.
	She's rough.
	She's definitely the most energetic cat.
	Really?
	She's not calming down?
	Not at all.
	Really?
	And she climbs everything.
	I was on the air because you know I do that morning show for my house.
	Oh no.
	And the other morning she climbed the bookshelf and knocked down every photo that I had on the bookshelf.
	Oh no.
	Oh yeah.
	You just hear this big clatter.
	Just like in the cartoons.
	That's a kitten activity for ya.
	So bad.
	Get her a mouse.
	Get her a remote-controlled mouse.
	Or a laser pointer.
	You know, I've been looking for... I've got the laser pointer, and she likes the fishing rod with the bird on the end of it.
	Uh-huh.
	Nice.
	But I gotta get her... I gotta see if I can find, like, a robot mouse that can just, like, keep going during the day.
	Well, get one of those robot hoover things.
	You'll have fun with that.
	Yeah, I do have one of those.
	Rumba?
	Rumbas?
	Rumbas?
	The Roomba.
	Roomba.
	Spy Roomba!
	I've seen people who, like, put a knife on the front of a Roomba, and a knife on the front of another Roomba, and then two balloons on the back, and have them fight to the death.
	It's like a Mario Kart minigame.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's so good.
	It's like those droids that you can build at Disneyland now.
	Literally, like, 180 bucks.
	They talk to each other, so if you have one in your bag, and someone else has one in their bag, they talk to each other as you walk through Wow.
	Very, very cool.
	You would love that.
	Can you build them yourself?
	There's like a conveyor belt line?
	It's awesome.
	All right, stand by 10 seconds.
	It's exactly what he just said.
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	Unbelievable footage, just updates guys as we're doing the show live.
	The Pentagon has wimped out of the jet fighter deal with Poland because that's who we are under Biden.
	I guess Mark Milley has to be at some gender affirmation program instead.
	And then we have the shocking, absolutely Gut-wrenching footage.
	It's playing on a loop of the strike, the Russian strike on the maternity hospital in Mariupol.
	Jennifer, is there any sense?
	California is already paying ridiculously high gas prices.
	How is the war in Ukraine resonating locally in the media in California?
	The same way it is with Democrats everywhere.
	It's really awful.
	We're going to turn City Hall blue and yellow.
	We're going to post a flag on our social media profiles.
	And then we're going to go on with our business.
	We're going to tell people to buy electric cars.
	Gavin Newsom gave his State of the State address last night in California and basically had the opportunity, just like Joe Biden, to be a hero.
	And the way that Gavin Newsom could have been a hero in the state of California is to say that he was going to put a pause or even a temporary moratorium on the gas tax, which goes up every single year incrementally.
	And it kills us.
	I mean, we're paying well over a dollar more a gallon for a gallon of gasoline than everyone else in the country.
	And so we're looking at the real possibility of $7 gasoline by the end of the month.
	And you would think that that would be a thing that Gavin Newsom could do to help California in.
	Instead, he says, well, we're not going to do that, and we have no plans on increasing drilling in California because we hang our hat on being a green energy state.
	But we might be able to come up with something using our surplus, which is a phony surplus, to send money back to Californians as a rebate of sorts.
	Well, that rebate is what Democrats love to do, right?
	They love to hand you a $300 check, and it goes to everybody, people who are here legally or not.
	No real measure of how you get it.
	You don't have to be a legal citizen of California.
	And so everybody gets $300.
	Well, you know what would be more meaningful to California and to businesses and to people having to drive trucks through California is to save $0.10, $0.20, $0.50 a gallon of gasoline for every single fill-up.
	But the governor, like all Democrats, missing the mark.
	And to your point about Mark Milley and this military, I may have shared this with you, but I was doing some research and I found a letter that was written by some members of Congress.
	About the woke military and how much time is being spent not to beefing up our national security, but to tackling big issues like climate change and critical race theory.
	Do you know that since Joe Biden has become president that the military has done 60 million hours of, and I'll use air quotes here, woke training since he became president?
	Now, is that helping us at all?
	Is the woke training helping us?
	Is tackling climate change helping us?
	No, that's the reason we are in this situation, because of Biden's stupid commitment to this radical green energy idea that gave Vladimir Putin the perfect opportunity to walk right into Ukraine and to attack civilians and, like we saw earlier today, these pregnant women who are giving birth in the hospital as he's dropping bombs on them.
	It's disgusting.
	Yeah, it truly is.
	Still watching this footage from Mario Paul.
	You shared with us your visit to Disney.
	You said offline in the break that very few people were wearing masks.
	It wasn't a requirement.
	I thought there was a semblance of normality returning to California, but you sent us this story about some raid on a school.
	Will you share that with our listeners here?
	So California is slowly but surely releasing the the reins on the vaccine mandates, the mask mandates.
	LA Unified School District still today has mask mandates in place for all ages from elementary up to high school.
	If you're in LA Unified, masks are still required.
	Apparently, and this story is just getting some light this week, there was a school in San Diego, I think it was a charter school, private school, that was apparently a little loosey-goosey with their mask mandates and good for them because they had very young kids in their classroom.
	They were having trouble teaching, and so they weren't keeping up with the mandates as much as California would like them to.
	So what happens?
	Well, they send out their goons to go into that school to see what's really going on.
	Who did they send out?
	It was the county of San Diego that went out into this school, and they started figuring out what was going on.
	And so to do that, instead of talking to the adults at the school, they started pulling two-year-old children aside to question them without their parents' consent, without their parents being there, to question them one-on-one about the masking policies of this school.
	Wow.
	I mean, you can't.
	Is there going to be any repercussions?
	I mean, that's clearly illegal.
	Will there be anything happen?
	But who has the resources or the wherewithal to go after?
	I mean, I guess you could go after the county.
	It would be a slow process.
	I actually spoke this week to someone who was telling me that these inspectors came out during the pandemic when everyone was supposed to be at home except for essential businesses and he ran a news network, but it wasn't deemed essential by the County of Los Angeles.
	They came back and he literally had, they came back three different times, finding him each and every time.
	Finally, he brought all of his staff into the front lobby and had these people say, we are shutting you down.
	He literally laid off his entire staff because these inspectors came back three times.
	He did it in front of them, took their badge, handed a copy out to every single person that he laid off Because these people were not, they were not giving up.
	And these are county workers, so what do you do?
	What's the recourse for just an average person who's losing everything or whose kid is being interrogated at school because of masking policies?
	We've only got 60 seconds left, but what is it like when you leave the studio?
	Are people outside wearing masks anymore?
	Oh yeah, you still see a few, and you still see a few in the car.
	I mean, these are virtue signalers, right?
	These are the people who want you to know that you're just a petri dish of germs, and they're the ones that are above everyone else.
	But you know what?
	I have never worn masks outside.
	I very rarely wore masks into any place unless there was a huge, you know, unless I was trying to avoid the drama.
	I gotta tell you, it does feel different.
	People, I think, are done with it.
	They're over it.
	And by and large, the majority of Californians are maskless and ready to get back to normal again.
	They're even thinking about getting rid of the vaccine mandates at restaurants.
	Let's hope that that's the case in LA City.
	Wow.
	Even California has a shot.
	Well, it's an election year, you know.
	Well, you know, it's like the State of the Union.
	Just magically, COVID disappears, no masks.
	We follow the science and the politics.
	Follow the political, what is it, Rhonda Sanders says, follow the political science.
	Exactly.
	Co-host of the Morning Answer with Jen Anne Grant.
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	Next, we're going to be talking about somebody who's Running for Kamala Harris's old Senate seat.
	Yes!
	Never give up, never give in.
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	The price is great.
	It's free.
	It's free.
	Five of us, it was $1,500, so it was about $300 per car.
	What?
	That's a bloody nice car.
	$1,500?
	I know.
	The annual pass, which I used to have, which was like $200 or $300 for the whole year, is now $1,200.
	So the prices have gone up.
	Is that a regular ticket, or is that the exclusive get-in-the-park?
	No, that's the park hopper.
	Oh no, but they do have this new thing now where you can pay to get to the front of the line.
	Yeah.
	And so that's an extra $20.
	So we did that for the Rise of the Resistance, because it was like a two-hour line.
	So that's $20 extra per person.
	Oh, you can do that per ride?
	You can do it per ride.
	There are some, if you get the Genie+, which is what we had, there are some rides like Indiana Jones that you can get to the front of without having to pay extra, extra.
	Did you do that?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I love Indiana Jones.
	Is it a good ride?
	You've never been on it?
	No!
	That's my favorite.
	Come on!
	Oh my god, it's so great.
	I've been to Universal Studios.
	And I've done the Tower of Terror.
	That's it.
	The Tower of Terror.
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	No, I love the Twilight Zone stuff.
	Your gut falls out when that thing drops.
	I hate the drop.
	I love the Twilight Zone, but I did not like that.
	I don't like the drop.
	When you come out of the elevator, when the elevator comes up, And then the actual car comes out and then the floor disappears.
	It's just superb.
	Okay, so here's what you have to do.
	Next time you have time to go and come to town.
	So Chuck told me, our program director, that we can get a few press passes per year.
	He told me this after the fact.
	So if you tell me when you can come, I'll see if we can at least get a couple press tickets.
	Do we have to bring a camera?
	Jeff can bring a camera.
	No, you just go.
	They're pretty good with that.
	He said, yep.
	Yep.
	Come on, Jeff.
	It'll be fun.
	We'll call it team building for the program.
	I'll get you a cigar.
	You want me to tell you a Disney story?
	All right, you're going to tell me a Disney story.
	All right.
	Oh, I hate that.
	Let's have someone else on the line.
	All right, thank you.
	All right.
	God bless.
	And thank you guys.
	I'm talking to Cordy, by the way.
	I was texting him before.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah, so you'll have him next.
	What's up, guys?
	Alright, guys.
	Cheers.
	Bye.
	If we have you on the line, let you know the mics are live on our Rumble stream at this time.
	And we are about 80 seconds and we're going back on the radio.
	Okay, so we're gonna do countdown midterms here.
	Yes, please.
	And then I'm gonna do merch.
	Merch and relief, yep.
	It's Dr. Williams.
	Ah, yes.
	What's up, stud?
	Alright, how we doing?
	Are you crushing it?
	We are crushing it, man.
	We're making a I signed 1,500 letters last weekend to Republican delegates across the state, and so we're jamming for the California GOP endorsement, and just wheeling and dealing, man.
	Superb.
	All right, standby, 40 seconds.
	Because that convention's coming up, right?
	It is.
	About a month away.
	Oh, boy.
	All right.
	Alright, 35 seconds.
	We got his website URL, recording, four, number four, senate.com.
	Alright, 20 seconds, stand by. Standing by. Standing stand by. Standing by. Standing
	by. Standing by.
	Two, four, four, 244 days to go.
	Are you part of the solution or part of the problem?
	If you're not actively engaged, if you're not running for office or supporting somebody who is, then you're just a bystander.
	We're going to be talking to somebody who's taken the challenge seriously to save our republic.
	But first, let's send a message.
	Can you believe it?
	The Pentagon is giving this press conference.
	Yeah, it would take, it would be such a long time to get those migs to make a difference for Ukraine and logistically complicated and you're just a bunch of bloody critical race theory cowards.
	Admiral Kirby, you are a disgrace to the uniform you wear.
	And that overweight, pink-haired Mark Milley, you're a disgrace to the US Army uniform.
	Let's support this fight by sending a message to the Biden administration.
	The most popular item on our website right now, thank you for the idea, we're designing a brand new one with the Betsy Ross flag with the map of the Ukraine, is the image of President Zelensky in his combat gear with the message he sent back to Biden when Biden said, we're going to evacuate you.
	He said, I don't need a ride.
	I need ammunition.
	That's the 1776 Spirit.
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	A man who understands the 1776 Spirit is former Marine Dr. Cordy Williams, who's running for the California Senate seat of the Cackler Kamala Harris.
	Cordy Williams, welcome back to America First.
	Well, thanks for having me, beautiful man.
	Really, really appreciate it.
	I don't have many Marines call me beautiful, but I'll take it.
	Thank you, buddy.
	He's sitting in front of his forever free flag.
	He sent me some amazing gear from the forever free line.
	Tell us everything since we last spoke.
	How is the Cordy4Senate.com campaign going?
	Well, we're all over the place.
	We've been up and down the state.
	We are sending out delegate letters all over the place.
	I just signed 1,500 delegate letters.
	For the California GOP endorsement.
	Did you use your Marine-issue crayon, Cordy, I have to ask?
	Well, I was actually thinking about eating it, and then I realized, man, I gotta sign this letter.
	That's an intro, guys.
	Marines understand.
	Relax, relax.
	So why are you sending those letters out?
	What are you telling them?
	Why they should support you, Cordy?
	Well, we're just telling them, you know, I'm not the guy.
	I'm an America First candidate.
	I'm not an establishment guy.
	You know, some of my opponents out there, Seb, if you can believe it, they've literally put up election integrity lawsuits, but then they've come out and publicly said to their constituents that basically you're an idiot or you're stupid if you think there was fraud in 2020.
	And I know And you know that there was fraud in 2020.
	Are we talking about Republicans?
	A Republican.
	Yeah, if you want to call him.
	Well, I really call him a guy from the safari.
	He's a rhino.
	He's a rhino for sure.
	All right.
	Don't be shy.
	Who are we talking about?
	Well, I don't want to give this guy, this guy biked around, I don't want to give him any cred more than he needs, right?
	Right.
	But I like this phrase.
	He's from the safari.
	I'm going to have to use that, Dr. Williams.
	I don't want to give him any free press.
	That's why, that's why I'm not going to say his name.
	But he's a goofy attorney that's lost four different times in California.
	Okay he's lost four different times in California and and he's a nice guy don't get me wrong but I think 2022 it's not about nice guys that pander and flip-flop it's about people that stand up for our kids and and so I just really have a problem with with anybody getting behind this guy because he publicly came out and and you are You are just a class A rhino if you publicly come out and you say there was no fraud in 2020.
	Because it's blanketly clear, you can talk to Wendy Rogers, you can talk to Sonny Borelli, anybody in Maricopa County knows that.
	And so that was one thing we put in the letter, but the other thing we put in there is, in this FEC report that just came out the first quarter since we announced on November 6th said, we out-fundraised everybody by 80%.
	This guy's been running for over 14 months, and I was only $40,000 away from surpassing him, and I did what, in 90 days, what it took him a year to do.
	Amazing.
	Why?
	Because he's not from the safari.
	He's a patriot who's worn the uniform of the Corps.
	He's serving again.
	I want you to support him because we don't give up on America and we don't give up on California.
	It's Cordie.
	C-O-R-D-I-E.
	The number four Senate.
	Support this man today.
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	Thank you.
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	Alright.
	And congratulations on the fundraising.
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	See you, buddy.
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	Present coming for you.
	It should be in the mail on Monday.
	Nice.
	Thank you.
	Love you, man.
	Bye-bye.
	Appreciate you.
	Bye.
	All right.
	And dialing her up now.
	Same channel.
	Same audio.
	All righty.
	So we've got... Hello, Natalie.
	Can you hear us?
	Hey, yes, how are you?
	Alright, doing good.
	How about yourself?
	Podcast here.
	Very well.
	Our mics are live on Rumble as usual.
	Two minutes before we go back on the radio.
	When did this article publish, Eric?
	Um, this one was... Let me check one more time.
	It was-- where was it?
	I just found-- where was it?
	I just had it.
	I can't seem to find it again.
	Natalie, the bioweapons lab article, when was that?
	We put that up last night.
	That's okay.
	How you doing?
	Very well, how are you?
	Good, that is a very white room.
	I know!
	I just moved, so I have like no furniture.
	I can't keep track of you.
	Are you still in school or are you back in the swamp?
	No, I moved to Florida because it's remote now, but I'm graduating in like a month or two.
	Oh, congratulations!
	Nice!
	Thank you!
	Alright, how do I introduce you?
	Is it investigator or correspondent?
	What do I say?
	You can say investigative reporter for the National Pulse.
	Investigative reporter and at Natalie G. Good.
	Alright, 50 seconds and we'll talk bioweapons labs!
	Love it.
	Alright.
	45 seconds.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
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	She's investigative reporter for The National Pulse, Natalie Winters.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	So much propaganda, misinformation, disinformation on the war in Ukraine from both sides, and that's what happens in war.
	But one of the most unusual stories is the bioweapons labs.
	And that Putin is targeting these because they're about to be used to attack Russia.
	We have your piece from last night that actually gives some interesting details going back to the Obama administration.
	Exclusive deleted web pages show Obama led an effort to build a Ukraine-based biolab handling quote especially dangerous pathogens.
	Natalie, tell us what you found on these quote-unquote deleted web pages.
	Sure, so there have been some rumblings about the existence of these biolabs all across Ukraine, and my interest was certainly piqued, because I was curious, especially coming on the heels of COVID-19, why the really, I guess, the medical-industrial complex, aided and abetted by all their counterparts in the swamp, would want to be sending US taxpayer dollars to construct research facilities In Ukraine, given its location and proximity to Russia.
	But I guess, honestly, I was sort of blown away by this story.
	But it turns out that all the way back, you can trace it back to 2005, it was actually none other than not just the former president, but the former senator Barack Obama, who spearheaded the effort to actually construct a biolab facility, a BSL-3, which is one of the highest ranking facilities a BSL-3, which is one of the highest ranking facilities in the entire country, in the port city of Odessa.
	So just to kind of give a brief rundown on what the biolab situation is in Ukraine, there are about 4,000 biolaboratory-like facilities that exist and operate in Ukraine.
	Only two of them have the classification and really the clearance to work with the second and first level of pathogen, the first being the most dangerous pathogen.
	For reference, think about the kind of pathogens that they were working with at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	That's the first pathogen level.
	So of those two labs, of the 4,000 that exist in Ukraine, it was Barack Obama and one other senator from Indiana who actually helped ink a memorandum of understanding between the US Department of Defense, Let me just read for you.
	She's actually got the screenshots.
	She's got the original reporting here.
	I remember when this happened.
	This was the Nunn-Lugar Act.
	It was Senator Dick Lugar.
	And here's just a sentence from the article that you wrote last night.
	Lugar said plans for the facility began in 2005 when he and then-senator Barack Obama entered a partnership with Ukrainian officials.
	Why in Ukraine?
	I mean every nation, I mean I've discussed the bioweapons treaty from 1972 at the beginning of our show.
	Every nation has the right to defend themselves and research weapons that could be used against them.
	The treaty says you can't develop offensive bioweapons capabilities.
	Have you detected anywhere in your research why on God's green earth America would be involved in supporting a lab in Ukraine of all places?
	Not at all, but I think you can really kind of find the, I would say, subtle admission of guilt and the cover-up attempts that we found.
	So that article that you're actually reading from has since been deleted since it was originally posted in 2010.
	The only way we were able to access it is because actually a U.S.
	Air Force magazine, a quarterly journal that they put out, cross-posted the article so we were able to access an archive of it.
	But I think the question that you asked, you know, I feel like I was just on your program not too long ago and you were asking, why would we ever be funding research of the Chinese Communist Party in Wuhan?
	So it's the same question.
	It's, you know, why do these people, whether it's Anthony Fauci or Barack Obama, feel so comfortable sending US taxpayer dollars?
	to fund this research.
	And I think it's worth noting that this is not just, you know, scientific research for altruistic purposes.
	You know, I think the term pandemic prevention really has been weaponized by a lot of these people.
	I think primarily Anthony Fauci and his lackeys over at the National Institutes of Health.
	But under this kind of umbrella term, you see these often kind of third world countries, at least when you're talking about where they are in terms of scientific research development, getting to play around with these very deadly, very risky pathogens and facilities that, as we know from what happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, are nowhere as we know from what happened at the Wuhan Institute
	What's even more interesting about this story is that in 2011 the National Academy of Sciences put out a report documenting kind of what the network of biolabs look like in Ukraine and they singled in on this one in Odessa that Obama was responsible for helping to construct and they actually highlight it as really working to identify, quote, especially dangerous pathogens.
	That's a direct quote.
	And they go on to enumerate all these various types of very, very scary diseases.
	They mention Ebola.
	But I think it just gets back to what I was saying in the first place, which is, you know, what does pandemic prevention mean?
	Because not only I think from COVID-19, we can see that it's a scam, but I think it's also a racket too.
	You see these people, you know, creating more deadly strains of certain viruses playing around.
	And I really don't see any demonstrable benefit, especially to the point where when U.S. taxpayers can't even get, you know, an audit of what's happening in these facilities.
	It was really hard to piece together this article.
	And a lot of people have asked me, do we know what kind of research they were doing?
	Do we know specifically, you know, You know, are they looking at coronavirus?
	Were they doing gain-of-function research?
	And the fact that we can't answer that is not because we don't, you know, we can't find the information and it's there, it's because it doesn't exist.
	And I think it just speaks to a broader problem with the kind of research that the US government is deciding to fund.
	We pay for all of this.
	It is our taxpayer money.
	And we should have the high... America should have the highest bioweapons defense capability possible.
	Because bad guys, irrespective of that treaty in 1972, will develop these weapons.
	But the idea that this is being funded in other countries, in Ukraine of all, is absolute sheer insanity.
	God bless you, everybody at the National Pulse, Rahim Kassam, that are doing the research the mainstream lying legacy media refuses to do.
	Let's post this article right now on Obama's Biolabs in the Ukraine on our Twitter, our Truth Social, our Facebook, and follow this lady right now, Natalie G. Winters, investigative reporter for The National Pulse.
	God bless you, Natalie.
	Let's get back on this issue when you have more to share with our millions of listeners.
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	We need to call that Obama's bio um bioweapons Obama's Ukrainian bioweapons labs.
	Ukrainian bio weapons labs.
	And Horne, Williams, and the Grisham segment.
	Horne, Williams and Grisham. Williams and Grisham.
	Why is the LGBT community fueled by hate?
	Williams, um... No more rhinos.
	I'm running against all the rhinos.
	Okay... And then, Williams... Oh, no, we did that.
	Oh, you need Trish, right?
	No, well, yes, but also the Grisham rant.
	Oh, the Grisham, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, 35 seconds.
	Yeah.
	Um, I was gonna use something here... Something like, you should be ashamed or something?
	Oh, I'm gonna use six and seven.
	Okay.
	Yeah, um... Um, Grisham betrayed her oath.
	God.
	Okay, 15 seconds.
	Step back.
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	Okay, we have to go to the insanity of MSNBC.
	This is Joy Reid.
	You know, the homophobe?
	With the blog entries where she says awful, bigoted things about homosexuals.
	This is what she thinks about the war in Ukraine and why people care about it.
	The world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe.
	If this was happening anywhere else, would we see the same outpouring of support and compassion?
	But we don't need to ask ourselves if the international response would be the same if Russia unleashed their horror on a country that wasn't white and largely Christian.
	Does she not even know the history of the 1990s?
	How about this, you moron?
	The first time NATO ever shot a fighter down was when, you cretin?
	And who was piloting it?
	Was it a Muslim?
	Were we defending Christians?
	No, you moron.
	It was over Bosnia.
	And it was a Serbian jet.
	Yeah, Serbia, Christian.
	Bosnians, Muslim.
	You're such a moron.
	I get so angry.
	But let's have somebody who's far more eloquent.
	This is Lara Trump's response to the homophobe bigot who is Joy Reid.
	Cut seven.
	When she brought up places like Syria, there was action taken in Syria when the innocent Syrian people had chemical weapons used against them, not once but twice.
	And guess, Joy, who did that?
	It was President Donald Trump who sent Tomahawk missiles in to destroy an airfield and make sure that these people knew never to use chemical weapons against their people again.
	So action was taken, of course, by Donald Trump.
	She's absolutely right.
	I was in the White House when we took that decision.
	We saw the intelligence.
	Chemical weapons were going to be used again by the Muslim regime, the Alawi regime, against Muslims in Syria.
	So we dropped 52 cruise missiles on that airbase.
	You have no soul, Joy Reid.
	You're a propagandist, a bigot, and you're stupid.
	Next up, what you need to know about Putin.
	Is he just a reconstituted KGB colonel?
	We'll find out with none other than the Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council here on America First with me, Sebastian Gorka.
	The End
	Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it does not immediately change course.
	Yes.
	Here in the Western Hemisphere, we are committed to maintaining our independence from the encroachment of expansionist foreign powers.
	That was my former boss four years ago at the UN warning the world what would happen if they relied on Russian energy.
	And the video shows the German delegation tittering, laughing at President Trump.
	They're not laughing anymore.
	Dear friends, welcome to America First one-on-one with a very special guest in studio.
	It's been far too long since we've had him on this show.
	He is the senior vice president of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	He is a middling martial artist.
	I would tend to disagree.
	I think he's better than middling.
	He is the host of AFPC's Disinformation Wars podcast.
	What better guest to talk to today?
	Ilhan Berman, welcome back in studio.
	Oh, thanks for having me.
	All right.
	So for those who haven't We've heard our earlier discussions here on America First.
	Will you just give them the potted introduction, who Ilan is and what the AFPC does?
	Sure.
	So AFPC is a think tank.
	Every think tank has an area of focus.
	We spend a lot of time working with Congress because, candidly, ideas begin in very few places and members of Congress need cutting-edge, Accurate, impactful information about what's going on around the world.
	So we have a stable of experts that cover everything from Iran, to Russia, to radical Islam, to China, space.
	And the goal here is to inform policy, to help them craft better policy, but more than anything else, it's to amplify the efforts of policymakers who are trying to defend American national security, promote American foreign policy interests.
	And your family background, where do you hail from originally?
	Well, all over, but my parents were Soviet Refuseniks, right?
	Explain that to them, for those who are Cold War warriors like me, what was a Refusenik?
	Right, so a Refusenik was someone who, usually Jewish, as my family is, but not only, but a Refusenik was somebody who During the Soviet Union, for whatever reason, for political purposes, for religious freedom purposes, applied to exit the Soviet Union, and they were denied.
	And they were essentially made non-people.
	They weren't allowed to have party affiliation, they weren't allowed to work in certain jobs, and only through the pressure of the United States government, including people like Senator Henry Jackson, there was enough pressure that was placed on the Soviet Union that the Soviets opened up the doors.
	And allowed refuseniks, including a pretty significant wave of Jewish refuseniks, to emigrate.
	And your area of focus, we know each other a lot through the incredible work you've done on Islamic jihadi theology, the mapping of Islamic terror threats, but you're here today to talk to us about Russia, Iran, and this... Well, let me ask you this.
	Did you expect us to be here so quickly, 14 months into this administration, knowing what you know about Putin?
	Well, it's interesting because Putin, the grievance that Putin is acting on now is a long-standing one.
	Yes.
	I mean, what I think most people don't quite understand is Putin, as viewed from Moscow, sees the end of the Cold War, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the post-Cold War position of Russia as inherently unfair.
	Putin sees Russia as a great power.
	So he's a social justice warrior because it's unfair.
	SJW, the most dangerous SJW out there.
	Not quite, not quite.
	But he thinks that what you're looking at is a situation where the zone of freedom, zone of European freedom is expanding, the zone of Russian influence is contracting.
	So the way I like to explain it is he feels like he's in a box and he's constantly pushing against the corners of the box to see whether there's give, whether there's an ability to change Russian foreign policy to advantage Moscow and disadvantage Brussels and London and everybody else.
	I love the way you phrase that, the box of European freedom is expanding, which for him is a bad thing, because let's be clear, he may sell this vision to the Russian people that NATO's coming and they're going to invade and they've already encircled us, but the real threat to him is the expansion of the concept of freedom and democracy into Russia, is it not, Ilan?
	No, no, that's precisely right.
	And that's why I think it's actually necessary to sort of drill down a little bit and explain what he believes.
	Because our friends, when they talk about Russia, they look at Vladimir Putin, he's an unreconstructed KGB agent, he rose up through the ranks to positions of leadership in the Soviet Union, and so they immediately default to the idea that, oh, he just wants to recreate the Soviet Union.
	But if you look at what he's been saying lately, that's actually not the case.
	It's bigger.
	It's bigger and it's older.
	Because what he's talking about, what he talked about in his February 21st speech before the invasion, what he talked about in his February 24th speech right after the invasion, he's talking about the fact that the Soviet Union made a lot of mistakes.
	And they made a lot of mistakes because they controlled and domineered this wide territory And in order to live day-to-day, they gave these different ethnicities, these different nationalities, too much power, too much autonomy.
	This is a fascinating point.
	So in that faux history lecture, he says that Soviet leaders, like Lenin and Stalin, got it wrong when they gave this quasi-autonomous identity to places like Ukraine.
	And he goes prior to that.
	That's right.
	And he says, no, no, no, no, this is Russia!
	That's right.
	He's not arguing on the basis of Soviet history.
	He's arguing on the basis of concocted Russian history in the Rodina, the motherland.
	Right.
	The Russian imperial history.
	Yes.
	So what he's basically saying is that the Soviets were too weak.
	They were too liberal.
	Sterling Khrushchev, far too weak.
	Absolutely.
	And so the image that he's painting is this idea of a Russian empire, a revived Russian great.
	And by the way, this is sort of why he spends so much time talking about Russian nuclear forces, Russian military forces, because it's all about projecting the image of a strong, unified Russia.
	But here's the history lesson, which I think everybody needs to know.
	The Russian empire, 1,000 years ago, 1,200 years ago, sprang from something known as Kievan Rus'.
	Back then, Kievan Rus' was the largest state in Europe.
	It occupied what we now know as Ukraine, what we now know as Belarus, and what we now know as parts of Russia.
	So long before the Duchy of Moscovy?
	No, absolutely.
	Long before?
	Absolutely.
	But this is where the Russian Empire came from.
	So if you're a Russian imperialist like Vladimir Putin is, and you're trying to recreate Russian greatness, you can't get there from here unless you have Ukraine.
	But to be historically accurate, because this is propagandistic rewriting of history, it should be the Ukrainians taking over Russia.
	Right?
	No, exactly.
	Because that's where it was born.
	Exactly right.
	I'm not giving Zelensky any ideas here, but if you want to be historically accurate.
	If you want to be historically accurate, I think that's correct.
	And that's why Vladimir Putin is so allergic to the idea of distinct Ukrainian national identity.
	That's why he spends so much time talking about the fact, oh, we and the Ukrainians, we're the same people.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, if we're the same people, I can domineer them and nobody can say anything.
	Yeah.
	And I can bomb them.
	Yes.
	Exactly.
	Because I'm saving them from something worse, which is the Jewish-led Nazis under Zelensky.
	Exactly.
	Which I find interesting.
	It's also saving them from the encroachment of NATO.
	And nobody, by the way, talks about the intellectual gymnastics that Putin is doing by inserting troops closer to NATO territory, by bringing himself closer to NATO territory, and then saying that this is a problem.
	But it's all that.
	It's all sort of mixed in together.
	Yeah, it's stunning.
	I mean, if you're not familiar with the geography of the region and really all strategy, I know the catchphrase, you know, amateurs speak strategy and professionals speak logistics.
	Yes, when you're at war, absolutely correct.
	But real strategy starts with a map.
	You begin with a map.
	You look at the map, you look at where people have evolved in their communities, the borderlines today, whether they represent an overlap with ethnic communities.
	And we have seen already shelling on Ukrainian territory that is eight miles from Poland.
	Eight miles.
	And that's not because NATO did anything.
	That's because Putin did something.
	We're talking to the Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	He is the author of Iran's Deadly Ambition.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Ilan, we're talking to Ilan Berman, Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	Can I just knock something out of the way for a second?
	Every day I have to do this.
	Did a very irate monologue two days ago on this show about the quote-unquote conservatives who are spewing this Kremlin garbage about the Nazi genocide in Ukraine under Zelensky, how Putin is a champion for Christianity, and NATO caused all this.
	You can address any of those points, but let's start with one question.
	What is the real culpability For the West, in terms of the Ukraine being where it is, after the Budapest memorandum, whereby they gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for promises, quasi-security promises, that they would be safe.
	Because if Ukraine had nuclear weapons today, there would have been no invasion.
	So let's talk the truth about the geopolitical culpabilities here.
	That's right.
	Well, and remember, this is the immediate post-Soviet collapse era.
	There was an attempt on the part of the United States and everybody else to try to keep a lid on what could have become a, and later did become in the former Yugoslavia, right, a very sort of factional, you know, sort of geopolitical realignment.
	And the sort of the compact that was made was that Ukraine would give up nuclear weapons.
	But by the way, not just give up, but give up back to Russia.
	Yes.
	Nuclear weapons.
	In exchange for Russian guarantees that they would protect the sanctity of Ukrainian sovereign territory.
	Which, by the way, I think is useful to point out because now- Nobody talks about that.
	Everyone talks about we promised them guarantees.
	The Budapest memorandum was with Russia as well.
	That's right.
	And Russia promised – Russia at that time recognized Ukraine as an independent state.
	Russia at that time guaranteed to Ukraine that it would not engage in belligerence against Ukraine, right?
	Vladimir Putin simply doesn't read those parts of the memorandum when he goes on TV.
	And what we did was we created reciprocal guarantees that said that we, because Ukraine was very objectively becoming weaker by giving up these nuclear weapons, that we would step in if there was ever a clash like this.
	Without them being a member of NATO accruing Article 5 protections.
	That's right.
	So now what you find is you find the Ukrainian leadership, President Zelensky, his compatriots in Kiev are sort of caught between a rock and a hard place.
	They're caught between a Russia that very clearly is going back on the terms of the Budapest Memorandum, does not recognize Ukraine as a national sovereign entity anymore, if it ever did.
	And then they turn to the West and they say, you promised to protect us.
	And what they're seeing here is this debate about the extent to which we could limit the collateral damage from the war between Russia and Ukraine.
	If we just step back, if we just send arms and send thoughts and prayers, everything will be fine.
	And you know, they feel, and you sort of see this in the way they talk, they feel very betrayed because they were, they gave up these weapons, they gave up this leverage in hopes of joining the Euro-Atlantic community.
	And what we're saying is, maybe someday, let's see how this war plays out.
	Yeah, just give your news back to Russia.
	Right.
	We're not quite ready yet.
	And so this is where the sort of the sour grapes and I think justifiable sour grapes come from when you hear people from Kiev talk.
	And when you hear putative conservatives completely, I mean, you have this podcast, Disinformation Wars.
	When you hear people, American citizens and not bots, just spout this.
	Putin's a champion of Christianity.
	Nazis are committing genocide in Ukraine.
	Your response to that?
	Well, it's interesting because there's two responses to the whole trope about Nazis and about fascists, right?
	So, on the one hand, when Vladimir Putin talks about it, He's talking to the Russian people themselves, right?
	All politics is ultimately local.
	He's trying to convince his own domestic constituency.
	Do you remember the Great War, as they call World War II?
	We stood steadfastly against fascists, right?
	They didn't care so much, by the way, right?
	As someone whose family came from the Soviet Union, they didn't care so much that Jews were dying in droves under the Third Reich.
	But they cared about fascists as a unified sort of collective entity that we need to stand against.
	And so when Putin uses those terms, fascists, Nazis, he's not using them in the terms that we understand them in the West.
	He's using them as a rallying cry.
	But here in the West, it sounds very funny, because we look at Ukraine.
	It's a country that has a Jewish president.
	It's a country that had, until recently, a Jewish foreign minister.
	I think, you know, sort of a very healthy segment of the Ukrainian Rada, the parliament, is Jewish.
	And we say, well, this is nonsense.
	So we're really speaking two separate languages.
	But people are buying into this here, sadly.
	No, no, and they are.
	And by the way, right, I mean, you sort of, you have to explain this to them.
	There are others, as you pointed out, that say, you know, Putin is, you know, a champion of traditional values.
	Putin is sort of the saviour of Orthodox Christianity.
	As a former KGB colonel who persecuted Christians.
	As a former KGB colonel who today is recruiting jihadists from Syria, where Russia is forward deployed, to go fight in Ukraine.
	Guys, let's be clear.
	This is, you know, you can look this up for yourself.
	Not just Chechens from the Republic of Chechnya under Kadyrov, but actual Muslim jihadis from Syria being recruited by Putin to fight the Christian Ukrainians in Ukraine.
	Absolutely shocking.
	Let's talk about, you've written a piece, it's up at IlanBerman.com on the untimely or the surprising demise of Russian propaganda disinformation.
	The Ukrainians are doing pretty well!
	Aren't they?
	Talk to us about their information operations.
	They are.
	Well, the Ukrainians are doing pretty well, and especially well in contrast to the fact that what you've seen on the Russian propaganda front is really a collapse.
	You've had this, I think surprising to everybody, show of unity on the part of Europe saying, you know, we are going to rally together against Russia, but we're also going to rally together against Russian fake news, and we're going to block the broadcasting of outlets like RT and Sputnik in the Eurozone.
	So, it's an interesting dynamic to watch, because as Russian propaganda is declining, there's less and less opportunity for the Russians to sow disinformation in the West, because less and less outlets and satellite carriers and broadcasters are carrying Russian disinformation.
	At the same time, you're seeing this elevation of Ukrainian propaganda.
	It's all built around the personal mystique of Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president.
	Somebody who, when offered the opportunity to escape, to pack his bags and leave, he said, I don't need a ride, I need ammunition.
	This is an inspiring figure.
	It's a figure that has helped the West remain unified.
	Maybe he wasn't the guy that brought everybody together.
	But seeing that he's there, that he's in the fight, that he's engaged, he's committed, he's sitting down with his troops while Vladimir Putin is sitting across a 25-foot table from his advisors.
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	Russians don't take a dump, son, without a plan.
	That is one of my favorite lines from a fabulous film.
	It is, of course, The Hunt for Red October.
	Thank you, Joseph, for sending that clip and the other one that we will be using momentarily.
	Let's address that straight away with Ilhan Berman of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	What's the plan here?
	You've given us your description that he's not just a former, you know, unreconstituted KGB colonel.
	He's got, he's going Beyond that history, to Tsarist, Imperial, Great Russian, you know, Peter the Great example.
	How far does he want to go?
	My analysis is he's a classic Soviet in terms of his strategy and tactics as well, where he pushes and pushes and pushes until he feels resistance.
	Push the bayonet until you feel steel.
	In many ways, although he took the initiative, He is a reactive player.
	He's waiting to see what we do.
	Are we going to send jet fighters like Biden potentially promised?
	Are we going to see lots of Western fighters recruited?
	So with your analysis over the years, what's his big endgame here?
	How far is he going to take it?
	Well, so I think the proper way to think about this is the fact that Ukraine is not a one-off event.
	Ukraine is the latest in a series of events in which Russia has tried to nibble away at the post-Cold War order in Europe, right?
	We can go back to Georgia in 2008.
	We can go back to Crimea, right?
	The Russian occupation and absorption of Crimea in 2014.
	Right.
	So the way to think about this, the way I like to think about this and explain it to my kids is Russia's eating a multi-course meal.
	It takes some time to digest every course, but you always get hungry again.
	And this is really the big show as far as far as Ukraine.
	Well, not just Ukraine, but also beyond Ukraine.
	Right.
	Because if he pushes and he feels mush right now, He won't be sated just by Ukraine.
	He will push further and try to reconstitute other territories that the Russian Empire held, that the Soviet Union held.
	What next?
	Moldova?
	Baltics?
	Moldova.
	There's a separatist enclave called Transnistria in Moldova.
	That's next, right?
	Senator Marco Rubio has tweeted about it.
	There's others.
	But I think the sort of trying to figure out what Putin wants next has a lot to do with people.
	What most people don't understand is that Russia, as a demographic project, is dying.
	100,000 Russians die a year more than are born.
	That's a sizable town.
	That's right.
	So Russia, for all the listeners, the magic number is 2.1.
	Every woman should have one child to replace herself, one child to replace her husband, and 0.1 for accidents.
	The average is 2.1 for population replacement.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	To keep a population stable.
	Russia is well below that.
	By the way, parenthetically, Ukraine is even lower than that, but that's a different story.
	But when Russia looks abroad, they're not looking and saying, hey, we want all of the territories that we used to claim.
	What they are saying is we want to reconstruct greater Russia.
	They already have issues with Muslims inside Russia.
	They don't want all the Stans part of their country, right?
	It's selective imperialism.
	It's selective imperialism based upon demographics, because they look at places like Ukraine, they look at places like Belarus, they look at places like Estonia, they look at places like Transnistria, and even Eastern Kazakhstan.
	And what they're seeing is there's a lot of co-ethnics, there's a lot of people who are Slavic, of Slavic extraction, and we can add them to the total and offset, at least temporarily, our demographic decline.
	So yes, it's exactly that.
	It's imperialism, but it's not broad brush imperialism.
	It's selective imperialism.
	And is he enough of a, I don't think he's crazy, I don't believe this garbage about steroids and drug abuse, but would he actually go after NATO member nations like the Baltics even though they're Lilliputian and he could, you know, gobble them up in a second?
	Look, I think it depends a lot on what we do now.
	Yes.
	The idea, you know, when President Biden first spoke about this a couple of weeks ago, and he talked about defending every inch of NATO territory, that wasn't a throwaway line.
	That's a strategy.
	The idea that what you have to do is you have to create a perimeter beyond which Putin can't progress, because at least some of his advisors understand that Ukraine is the midterm goal, but it's not the long-term goal.
	It's not the end goal.
	But what we do with Ukraine also matters a great deal.
	Because if we help the Ukrainians resist, if we provide material aid that helps them defend against Russian aggression, we'll never get to the conversation about NATO.
	And that's what I think a lot of people don't understand.
	A robust Ukraine now preserves us from having the conversation about Russian encroachment into NATO territory later.
	Right.
	To use classic terms, a buffer.
	Absolutely.
	If it is a sustainable, independent buffer, then the other countries can't fall.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And by the way, you're seeing precisely this dynamic in the opposite direction, where you have Baltic states who are beginning to talk very publicly about NATO membership, you're having countries that want to get fast-tracked for NATO admission.
	You've got Finland sending arms to Ukraine.
	You've got Switzerland being part of the sanctions regime.
	You're right.
	I'm sorry.
	Nordic States.
	We're talking to Ilan Berman, Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
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	This business will get out of control.
	It'll get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
	That is of course the late great Fred Thompson, a politician and sometime actor, playing the admiral of the aircraft carrier on which Jack Ryan is deployed in the hunt for Red October.
	A great quote, sadly now no longer fiction, if things get out of hand they could get Very, very bad, very quickly.
	Moscow has already said it is prepared to use nuclear weapons.
	In my analysis that I will be releasing momentarily, I make the observation that under the Soviet system, control of nuclear launch was under the Politburo, under the Communist Party.
	That is no longer the case.
	There is no Communist Party.
	Political parties are not involved in the nuclear chain of command.
	It is the Russian army, and their threshold for release, especially of tactical nukes, is far, far lower.
	So this could get out of hand very, very quickly.
	Ilan, let's talk about the wider repercussions.
	Shocking audio on Monday of the chief Russian facilitator of the Iran deal, Biden, JCPOA Mark II, saying, Yeah, I'm surprised the Iranians got everything they wanted and the Americans, Biden's guys just bent over backwards.
	How is it, and I know this is a naive question, how is it that Russia has invaded another country but we are asking them to facilitate the re-nuclearization of Iran?
	How does that happen?
	Well, no, it's ludicrous, right?
	The idea that you could try to isolate Vladimir Putin as a result of his aggression against Ukraine, try to sanction him until the verge of his regime crumbling, and at the same time, with no cognitive dissonance, turn around and expect the Russians to carry our water for us in Vienna.
	And bring Iran back into the confines of a nuclear deal.
	By the way, a nuclear deal that's already 60% expired.
	And most people don't understand this, but the 2015 JCPOA, Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, was only ever intended to be a temporary bandaid.
	It was a theoretic delay for 10 years, but didn't stop acquisition of nukes.
	It was a kicking of the nuclear can down the road.
	And that time frame has now mostly expired.
	So everybody who's sort of listening to this should think about the fact that if you ever go to buy a car or lease a car and somebody says, we expect you to pay full freight, but you only get it for four tenths of the time.
	On your own.
	It's ludicrous.
	It's a bad bargain.
	But that's precisely what you're getting with the new what I would call the JCPOA minus.
	It's not better.
	It's even worse than what we had before.
	And part of that, I mean, frankly, has to do with personality.
	The same personalities in the administration that under different roles concluded the 2015 agreement are the same ones.
	So the Obama retrades are now putting the paddles on the dead body of the JCPOA with a defibrillator.
	No, that's exactly right.
	But and.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot of indications that you're seeing, you're going to see, and by the way, right, if this all comes to fruition, it's going to happen, you know, in the very near future.
	You're going to see tremendous amount of economic stimulus that goes to Iran.
	Yeah.
	Tremendous amount of.
	When they were on their knees under the Trump administration.
	Exactly right.
	And the problem with maximum pressure on the part of the Trump administration is that it was a policy that was set in motion, but it wasn't seen to its logical terminus.
	Because President Trump talked about a goal, an objective, that isn't so dissimilar from what we're seeing in Vienna now.
	Except we would have all the leverage, and they would have none of it.
	Can you give us, from your perch at the American Foreign Policy Council, the geopolitical chessboard?
	Who are the friends of Russia?
	I don't mean friends, because it's all, you know, marriages of convenience.
	China's bailing them out on credit cards and other things.
	Talk to us about Iran, Syria.
	Who can Russia rely upon if we really turn off the spigots of gas and oil?
	Right.
	So if you're talking about energy, it's really two countries.
	It's Iran and it's Venezuela.
	Venezuela.
	Who we are now negotiating with.
	And that, frankly, is the biggest paradox because the Biden administration has its own energy priorities.
	They don't include revitalizing America's domestic energy industry very, very clearly.
	But there's quite a leap from that to the idea that we have to wean ourselves off of Russian oil so we will get oil from Hugo, not Hugo, Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela and from the Ayatollahs in Iran, right?
	We are disincentivizing domestic production and relying on American adversaries.
	And funding our enemies.
	Yes, precisely right.
	And if this doesn't sound logical to you, it's because it's not.
	We have, to the north of us, a country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world, in the form of Canada.
	And what we're not doing, we get a lot of our oil already from Canada, more than 50%.
	But the oil that we get from Russia, something like three, four, five percent, depending on how you rack and stack, we could very easily get in our hemisphere without any of the security concerns that are associated with re-engaging Venezuela, re-engaging Iran.
	Here are the figures, guys.
	This is in the piece that I've drafted.
	600,000 barrels a day from Russia.
	The XL Keystone pipeline, which was cancelled by Biden, would have provided 800,000 a day.
	So the shortfall is gone and there's a surfeit if we simply have the XL Keystone pipeline from one provider.
	Right.
	We don't have it.
	We have no plans to do it.
	And what you're going to see is, unfortunately, you're going to see this sort of domestic myopia and international reliance on the wrong countries.
	Translated into pain at the pump, where you're going to see, you know, our economy is super resilient, but we're still going to see sticker shock at the pump.
	And we're already beginning to see it.
	And unfortunately, what this does is it adds fuel to the fire of those that say, you know what, just give Russia what they want.
	So we don't so we don't have to hurt us anymore.
	So we don't have to experience $6 a gallon gas.
	But the reality is, what's sort of missing in that equation is that the presumption is, if we give Russia Ukraine, they will stop.
	And history shows us that, as the Russians say, the appetite comes with the eating.
	Yes, indeed.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump.
	This is America First one-on-one with our very special guest in studio.
	He is Ilan Berman, Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council, AFPC.org.
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	What is, would you say, we can't change the government here in the United States.
	We have a midterm but the executive stays the same.
	Nevertheless, What would you say to all those listening, the three million listeners, the quote-unquote policy elites, the talking heads, what is the thing that is least understood about this current conflict?
	Whether it's Russia, whether it's Putin, whether it's the chances of Ukraine, what is the biggest thing that most people are missing?
	I think, frankly, I think there's two.
	First of all, it's what Vladimir Putin wants.
	Because there's a presumption that he's an ex-Soviet, he wants to recreate the Soviet Union, and then he'll be satisfied.
	And people don't understand that the way Putin has built his government Democracy.
	Western democracy.
	Individual freedom.
	All the liberties that we take for granted are a threat to him.
	And that's why he feels under siege.
	It's because the zone of freedom is expanding?
	It's not military invasion.
	No, no, no.
	It's his power being undermined by freedom of representative government.
	Right.
	That's exactly right.
	And so that's the first.
	The second is that this is not a dispensable conflict.
	And I hear more and more people... Explain that.
	I hear more and more people saying, you know what, this is not our fight.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	The isolationists.
	But it's not just isolation.
	It's, let's let this play out.
	Let's let this sort of, let's sit on the sidelines.
	Maybe not isolationists.
	Maybe, you know, send support, but let's not get involved.
	And I think those people, very charitably, are underestimating the stakes that are involved here.
	Because what we're talking about here is the post-Cold War balance in Europe.
	We are now seeing the return of history.
	This isn't the end of history, we're seeing the return of history!
	So Fukuyama was badly wrong.
	Fukuyama has been proven badly wrong on many occasions, but especially now when you see a reconstituted imperial impulse on the part of the Kremlin, which, if history serves, is a threat, not just to countries on its periphery, but far beyond.
	And so it's a conflict that's going to draw us in sooner or later.
	You said earlier, right, the Russians push and they push until they feel steel.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Sooner or later, they're gonna hit steel in the form of Western resolve, but the costs that those are us.
	That's the question.
	Yeah Let me translate that into more prosaic terms Ukraine Isn't the last domino if you think it is you can ignore it there will be others and sooner or later It will be us or people That we are very, very close to.
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