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Chuck, I want to show the video of you carrying this man across the bridge.
We need to show people this.
What you did, springing into action like this, is literally amazing.
Most journalists wouldn't do it.
You mentioned sometimes you just have to help.
You get any reaction from fellow journalists?
Were there other journalists standing there and just watching, Chuck?
I like to think I'm a man first and a journalist second and I don't think I could call myself a man if I'd sit and watch somebody die because they didn't have somebody to help them across.
I watched that live yesterday on my friend Grant Stinchfield's show on Newsmax.
Newsmax is foreign correspondent in theatre in Ukraine.
A bridge was out, people had to get in and out of a hospital, a double amputee couldn't.
So he picked him up and carried him and we're gonna talk to him right now.
Chuck Houlton, welcome to America First.
It's very nice to be here, Sebastian.
and thank you for having me.
Well, God bless you.
Just that line, I'd like to think I'm a man first and a journalist second, but he didn't even drop the microphone.
You missed the footage if you're not watching us.
He was still holding his Newsmax microphone as he was carrying that man.
Chuck, God bless you for being in theater.
I think we are seeing the resurgence, the revivification of real journalism in theatre from brave men like yourself, a former ranger.
Will you tell us where you are and the story for that clip yesterday?
What happened in the locale where that was filmed?
Sure.
I've been reporting from downtown Keeve since the war started and we've been all over this country doing that.
One of the places we went yesterday was Irpin.
Where the heaviest fighting has been for the last several days near here.
There are thousands of people trying to cross that bombed out bridge that the Russians took down and get across.
Unfortunately, they were trying to clear out a hospital on the other side and a bunch of wounded people started trying to get across all at once.
And they sort of overwhelmed the Ukrainian soldiers who were there helping people across.
And, you know, at some point you've got enough footage and you don't need to get any more.
Actually, several journalists pitched in to help, and I think that's more common than people realize, that when you do the job that I do as a work correspondent in places like this around the world, you once in a while will see a journalist that will actually jump in and help, because you just can't watch somebody die.
You know, your humanity takes over and kind of forces you to do something like that.
Well, God bless you.
In his bio on Twitter, Ranger Holton, it says Christian Patriot War Correspondent.
His podcast is Hot Zone.
Follow him right now at Ranger Holton, H-O-L-T-O-N.
How long have you been in theatre, Chuck?
We've been here for just over a month, and we went down to the The disputed regions in the southeast for the first couple of weeks and traveled around, went to Gerson, went to Mariupol and all around there.
So watching the footage coming out of those things is just heartbreaking right now.
But the Ukrainians are really putting up a fight.
Yeah.
Tell us what you are seeing.
I mean, there's massive misinformation on both sides.
And God bless the Ukrainians.
Their information operations are superb.
It is allegedly today International Women's Day, which is a crock, which is a garbage fake.
You're absolutely right, Sebastian.
They are not doing well.
of brave Ukrainian female fighters to celebrate them today.
Tell us about how the population is doing, how the Ukrainian military is doing, and can you confirm or are you getting supporting reporting that the Russians are not performing as they might have expected to, Chuck?
You're absolutely right, Sebastian.
They are not doing well.
As a matter of fact, I think the United States is learning a lot about our major adversary through this conflict.
Because, you know, the Russians didn't take part in the War on Terror, and so we never got to see them employ their military capabilities very much.
And watching them up against this tiny little force of Ukrainians, and in many cases, the Ukrainians are just cleaning their clocks.
As a matter of fact, the Ukrainians are ahead armor now.
They've captured so much Russian armor.
That it's overwhelmed their losses plus 115 tanks.
So they've lost about 250, but they've gained 365.
Hang on, they've actually captured hundreds of functioning main battle tanks?
That's correct.
And not only that, they're upgrading their capabilities because the ones they're losing are older versions than the ones that they're capturing.
So they're Capabilities are actually increasing now and the real problem is they don't have enough people to drive all these tanks.
We've seen them on flatbeds going to military bases where they're being repainted and then sent back into the battle.
That's incredible.
That's something that's not getting a lot of play on the mainstream media.
Now, one of the, well, in my opinion, the best creminologist in the world, who I consulted with a few days ago, said the following, and you may not want to comment on this, but you're a former ranger, so you understand the requirements in theatre.
He said, when it comes to assistance to the Ukrainians, we shouldn't be giving them more capabilities of things they need to learn how to do, but more Capacity, meaning more munitions, more weapon systems that they can already use and know how to use.
Does that sound right to you?
That it's numbers over new systems?
For sure.
They have plenty of people and plenty of willingness.
They certainly have the inclination to do that.
They just don't have the wherewithal.
And wherever we have given them things that they can employ quickly without a long learning curve, They are employing them very well and just absolutely wiping out, I mean literally, combat brigades of Russian troops.
I'm starting to think, I mean, we thought at first that we would have to leave Kiev within 24 hours after the invasion started.
And here we are 13 days in and they're not even close to getting even within artillery range of Kiev at this point.
The only thing they can do is lob these long-range rockets at the edge of their capabilities up to 40 kilometers away in order to try to hit downtown Kiev, which makes them very inaccurate and makes them much more likely to hit civilian targets rather than tactical targets.
And so, you know, I'm starting to think that Ukrainians might actually pull this thing off, even with the numerical disparity.
They might actually, you know, push out.
Wouldn't that be something?
I mean, look at Russia.
Russia is asking Kazakhstan for help.
When you have to ask Kazakhstan for military assistance, you know things aren't going well with your campaign.
Talk to us, we're talking to Chuck Colton, he is the war correspondent, foreign correspondent for Newsmax in theatre.
Talk to us about the Ukrainian people, the civilians, how are they faring?
Russia says they are in a military operation to save ethnic Russians from the Nazi hordes committing genocide.
Tell us the truth about the Ukrainian people and how they are surviving, Chuck.
Well, I have yet to find one Ukrainian person who wants to be part of Russia.
Even when you go down to the majority Russian areas that were close to the Donbass, those breakaway regions, there were people who were friendly to the Russians and spoke Russian and everything.
But they are Ukrainian, they want to be Ukrainian, they want to stay Ukrainian.
And I think Vladimir Putin is finding that out.
He did not anticipate, I believe, that the level of commitment that these Ukrainians have to defend their country and their way of life.
And he has kind of created a self-fulfilling prophecy.
He was concerned about them moving to the West politically and culturally.
And this invasion has done nothing but push them further to the West and further into the arms of the West.
And so I think that in the final analysis, this is going to end up being a monumental miscalculation for Vladimir Putin.
Well, in the meantime, we know we will get the truth from the ground.
Follow him right now.
He is Ranger Holton on Twitter.
Ranger H-O-L-T-O-N.
His podcast is Hot Zone.
He is the individual who, when a bridge was down, when a hospital needed to be evacuated, he picked up one of the patients, a double amputee, and carried him to safety.
Absolutely incredible.
Thank you for everything you are doing.
Thank you for your service to this nation.
Firstly in uniform and now your service to the truth.
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They have more tanks than they can actually use.
Has anybody ever reported that?
But I think it's people don't know what to believe or not.
I heard that a couple days ago.
That's crazy!
A Daily Mail had it, yeah.
That's insane!
They have to, they have, they can't find enough drivers for the tanks and they're upgrading them?
Really is something.
Okay, so more is this segment via Skype.
I should have a Skype account.
I don't know if we had one on Skype before.
Let me check.
How high?
I remember...
We talked to Trish about this.
What?
She warned, she's like, you know, you could see gas at like $9.
And I've been talking about that and it's like, uh, we're getting, we're getting up there.
A buddy of mine made a poll on a Facebook group we're in and he said, how high do you think gas is going to go?
And I remember what Trish said, and I put in $9 and now the majority of people have voted in favor of $9.
Yeah, no, I had someone say, oh, I could see it going up to five.
And I'm like, well, I saw it at five yesterday.
Even if we get bailed out by the Venezuelans and the Saudis together, I don't think it'll be enough.
What?
Combined with no domestic drilling here, it's just, yeah, it's only gonna get worse.
Silly.
I don't know.
All right, do we want to do Israel or food here?
Food.
Okay, we'll do food here.
Oh, no, hang on.
I'll dial him up.
Because you just did pod, so C is open now.
I'll put, I'll do, I'll do food in C. Okay, food in C. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jeff, can you ask Casio to post 1 and 10?
What else is good?
Gingrich?
We do Gingrich?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So 1, 7, and 10.
Okay, Mr. Moore stepped away from his chair, but we have him.
90 seconds.
90 seconds.
Titles? - The U, Ukrainians have captured hundreds of tanks, hundreds of Russian tanks.
The Ukrainians have captured hundreds of Russian tanks.
No, hundreds of Russian tanks captured by Ukraine. - Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Russian tanks captured by Ukraine.
And then do a shorter version, the second half, okay?
Of that one?
Like a short- Of the monologue, you mean?
Or, I'm sorry, Holton.
Of Holton.
Like a less than 30 second- Or just- Or just- Jeff, can you ask, after, after, no, hang on, how, that only posts at like 9 o'clock, right?
What?
These, these links, right?
They post right after the show.
Oh, but when do you send them, you send them to me at night, right?
I send them to you, yeah, usually after they post around 6, 7, give or take.
Okay.
Mr. Moore, are you there?
He hasn't returned yet.
I want, I want, I want a little, who do we, how do we do this, Geoff?
Does Eric do it or Casio?
I want like a 20 second video everywhere where he said they might just win this.
Uh, Casio can do that now.
Okay, alright.
We have 10 seconds.
From that interview?
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Yesterday, we had Mayor Pete Bootedge say, oh, who cares about high gas prices?
You can just buy a Tesla or a Prius.
Last night, The man who used to be funny, Stephen Colbert, said, well, it's about having a clean conscience.
The man who owns over a million dollars a month had this to say, cut four.
Since the invasion, oil prices have skyrocketed.
Today, the average gas price in America hit an all-time record high of over four dollars per gallon.
Okay, that stings, but a clean conscience is worth a buck or two.
I'm willing to pay.
It's important.
I'm willing to pay $4 a gallon.
Hell, I'll pay $15 a gallon.
I bet you would.
You probably won't notice it out of the million plus you get a month.
But is that economics and how does it affect real Americans?
Let's talk to a man who knows.
He wrote the book Trumponomics, former economics advisor to President Trump, Stephen Moore.
Welcome back to America First.
Hi, Sebastian.
By the way, not only You know, is this high gas price a huge burden to people who don't make a million dollars a year like.
No, a month.
He makes a million.
He makes 15 million a year, Stephen.
Yeah.
But, you know, how many Americans, you know, the real crazy person here is Secretary Budiches or Mayor Pete, who's saying, oh, well, don't worry about high gas prices.
Somebody can buy an electric vehicle.
Those things cost $55,000.
A Tesla costs $100,000.
How many people can afford to buy a $100,000 Tesla, incidentally?
Forget about the Tesla.
What, your combine harvester if you're a farmer?
Your pickup truck if you're in construction?
Where are you going to get an electric combine harvester, Stephen?
And I was like, you're exactly right.
Now, what I was going to say to you and your listeners is, do you know what percentage of cars on the road today are electric vehicles?
No, tell us, tell us.
Take a wild guess.
Four percent.
Two to three percent.
So that means 97% of us use gasoline when we fill up our van.
But we could do what Matt Peat did, Stephen, and drive in a massive SUV to within one block of our office and then get the bicycle out of the back and then pretend to bicycle to work.
I think that would fix the economy, correct?
That is true.
Look, we're laughing, but this isn't really a laughing matter.
You're the ace foreign policy military expert in our country.
Did you ever think you'd see a day where we have a president with a secret envoy going out over Caracas, Venezuela and negotiating with Maduro?
With the Russians!
The Russians with the Russians facilitating the new Iran deal after they've invaded Ukraine.
It's insanity.
Follow this man at Stephen Moore on Twitter.
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Stephen, what can we do?
The executive is theirs.
The Senate and the House is theirs.
God willing, he's underwater now.
They're going to get shellacked in November.
Give us your prognostications.
Is it going to be $10 per gallon, is it going to be $200 per barrel of oil?
How do Americans survive, Stephen?
Well, this is, you know, I'll say a couple of things about this.
I looked at the last five or six times we had huge spike ups in the oil prices we have now.
And not every time, but often a big spike up in energy prices like this presages a recession.
Now, I hope I'm wrong about that.
I don't want America going to recession.
But when you have this massive burden that you place on American consumers, that's less money they can spend going to the hardware store, the grocery store, going out for dinner, all the other things they buy.
And so all the money flows out of the United States because, as you know, we help make America energy independent.
So we were actually benefiting from the oil and gas industry.
Now we're actually sending our dollars abroad to countries like Saudi Arabia and countries like Russia.
So I think that the price of what it looked, nobody knows for sure if I knew where exactly where the price of oil was going, I'd be a very rich man.
But I would say we're looking at one hundred and twenty to one hundred twenty five dollars a barrel, which is the equivalent of about four fifty a gallon.
I just look at the futures price.
You know, the market has a future price for oil and the market is now predicting that we will have over one hundred dollar barrel oil now, at least until September.
These are self-inflicted wounds, Sebastian.
You and I warned against these policies from the very beginning.
I remember talking about this about a year ago on your show, that these anti-America energy policies were going to lead to disaster.
And that's exactly what's happened.
Is it going to be potentially not just inflation, but stagflation as well, Stephen?
Well, yeah, if you have the recession, you know, you get the devil's brew combination of high prices and a slowing economy.
Now look, the job market is healthy right now, but that doesn't take much of a shift in the winds from the, you know, healthy job market to start seeing, you know, people just not being able to find work as these industries contract.
I just never have understood the logic of America getting oil and gas from Saudi Arabia and Russia and not producing it in Texas and Oklahoma and West Virginia.
Now, Joe Biden, by the way, Sebastian, is lying to the American people.
It's such a, you know, he's got a Pinocchio on his nose that's about 16 inches long.
He and Jen Psaki keep saying Do the math, Sebastian.
they can to produce American oil.
They say we have the record high American oil and gas.
That's completely, we're a million barrels less today than we were under Trump.
That's $100 million a day.
Do the math, Sebastian.
$120 million a day we're losing as a country because we're not producing this stuff here at home.
All he has done is he's gotten, and by the way, all these people he's put in the administration who say they want to destroy the oil and gas industry.
So how can they now say that they're supporting the oil gas industry?
We've got one minute left.
If we have a Trump administration, we have to open up shale gas, we have to open up the XL Keystone.
This is obvious.
What else would have to be done on day one in terms of inflation, interest rates?
What would Stephen Moore be whispering into President Trump's ear?
Well, we need to have what Newt Gingrich and I and KT McFarland, you know KT, and Steve Forbes just put out a joint statement saying we need an Operation Warp Speed for American energy independence.
Here's the problem, Sebastian.
These energy companies are not going to invest billions and billions of dollars when you have an administration they don't trust.
It can't be green light, red light, green light, red light.
And so we're not going to get back to energy independence, unfortunately, until Joe Biden and the Democrats are out of the White House.
I love that.
I love that.
Like the moonshot, like the Rice University speech from President Kennedy.
We can do it!
We did it!
Sebastian, we did that in Trump!
You can't have the red light, green light.
Genius.
Let's post that statement, Eric, on our Twitter and Facebook pages.
He's Stephen Moore.
Follow him on Twitter at Stephen Moore.
The book is Trumponomics.
Also freedomworks.org.
Keep ringing that bell, Stephen!
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The End Thank you, buddy.
Yeah, anytime.
Good to see you.
Red light.
Yeah, red light, green light.
That's what we have.
Send me that statement, will you?
Okay, I will.
Hey, Sebastian.
Thank you, buddy.
Yeah, anytime.
Good to see you.
Red light, green light.
Send me that statement, will you?
Okay, well, I'll...
Yeah, it's just sickening.
And by the way, we can't...
There's no way we can now build the Keystone Pipeline The people who built it said, we're done.
I bet.
I bet.
Yeah.
They've invested billions.
It's so insane.
And LNG terminals.
He's not allowing us to build LNG terminals so we can export this stuff.
Your friends, the Europeans, are not blameless in this, by the way.
Oh, I know.
I know.
Remember when Trump waved his finger at them and said, don't become... Yep.
And they laughed.
And they laughed.
Yeah, he was right.
Alright, I like him.
Pete's fine.
He's great.
Thanks, buddy.
Bye.
But...
Okay.
Um...
...on Monday we will not open our airport.
And Polish plates will not fight over Ukraine.
Sorry, so what was it again you wanted us to do with the Holton video?
America first, Holton.
I'll post it tonight.
The whole thing I want posted under that title, and then I want on all the social media platforms an embedded video, which is that 30 second thing where he said, you know, they could win.
Oh, that he thinks they'll win?
Yeah.
Just post the video and I'll have Cassio do it.
Yeah, just post the video and Cass will rip it.
Well, I gotta make it first, I'm still exporting.
Should be ready in... And that one should be... Five minutes.
Biden is lying about oil, about the oil fields.
about the avoidance.
And for the prerecord, Furman?
Even though it may seem unlikely right now, we need to be prepared for the possibility that he might attack...
Putin's real game plan.
We're hearing this very passionately from Hannah Hopko, who is the former shareholder of the Florida Affairs Committee.
I'm getting that whole video up ASAP.
And she...
Can you come in with the dump, Thompson?
Let me ask you directly, will it take Putin...
The audio, the dump one again.
Again, the first one.
Oh, yeah.
To impose a no-fly zone or help Ukraine obtain fighter jets.
Or are you going to say that it is never that it is too late to save Ukraine then?
Obviously, Ukrainians are still very passionate about this no-fly zone.
Russians don't take a dump on the plan.
Yeah, they should be because they're fighting and they're dying every day.
And Vladimir Putin is indiscriminately targeting civilians.
We should check in with that guy at least once a week.
I don't understand it.
Yeah, someone on the ground.
And to help Ukraine, we need to get them more javelin, harpoon, anti-ship weapons.
The stingers are all important in those MiGs that we mentioned.
What the Biden administration is doing, and I think that this is one of the...
I don't understand it.
Why are the Poles sending their MiGs to Ramstein?
That's going in the wrong direction.
It's going west.
Oh, where's Dan?
Is he in his studio?
Looks like it.
Maybe in DC.
Russians don't... And then I'll do food for the poor with the audio.
Maybe in D.C. Russians don't.
And then I'll do food for the poor with the audio.
Okay, 30 seconds.
We don't want to lose the leverage, and we don't want to say that we would never institute.
Okay, all right.
We're going to do this for a minute, too.
Thank you.
We're going to do this for a minute.
The late, great Fred Thompson, Senator from Tennessee, who was also an actor, in addition to being a presidential candidate in 2008.
Last time I saw him, he was in tracksuit bottoms at the local grocery store when I bumped into him.
And of course, that line, a classic line, is from The Hunt for Red October, as the potential war between then-Soviets and the West is heightened.
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John, South Carolina, waiting very patiently.
Welcome.
Actually, Dr. G, I'm not in South Carolina.
Judy from Brooklyn, I and Al are in Ukraine right now, and we're getting you a tank.
Just one?
Just one?
We're doing it for your birthday.
We were going to get you John Wayne's six-shooter last time and we missed by two cents.
Just don't make it one of Mark Milley's pink ones, okay?
I don't want a pink one.
You realize why that long column of Russian vehicles stalled, don't you?
They were electric vehicles made by Tesla.
And the extension cord didn't reach, right?
That's right, it just didn't go any further.
But what we're doing, our operation, and it is off the books, Biden is not really happy with us, but Judy is bribing them with cheesecake.
And so the cheesecake that she sent you for your last birthday, that's what we're bribing, and so that's where we got the 200 tanks.
I saw that on my screen.
I saw Mr. Jeb type that in, that Ukrainians have been told they don't have to declare any tanks or APCs they catch on their taxes.
as if just declared that Ukrainians don't have to pay taxes on the vehicles that they seize.
Any of the material or anything that they seize, they don't have to pay any taxes on it.
Now, I saw that on my screen.
I saw Mr. Jeb type that in, that Ukrainians have been told they don't have to declare any tanks or APCs they catch on their taxes.
I don't know whether to take you seriously, John, but I love the idea.
That's what it says.
It came from the Guardian.
That's where it came from.
Oh, the Guardian?
You're coming on my show to quote the Commie Guardian?
I lost it off of my screen just before you picked up.
It's what you get for being so blasted slow.
So pick up faster next time, alright?
Alright, I love it, John.
And thank Judy and Al, too.
They're endangering their existence.
Get baking those cheesecakes.
Great call.
Victor, Silver Spring, Line 2, welcome.
I would like to remind the people who would remember this.
Back in 73 and then again in 79, the gas lines.
Yes.
And depending on the last number of your license plate.
Auto or even.
Yep.
Even and odd.
That's coming back thanks to the watermelons out there such as AOC.
Green on the outside, red on the inside.
When I mentioned that to the trucker, trucker friend of mine, when I said watermelons, he said they're soft on the inside.
I said, yeah, that too, because they're soft on energy.
But I just want people to realize the gas lines are coming back.
Yeah, I think you might be right, Victor.
It's very good of you to give us a reminder of just how bad it was in the 70s, and of course it took years, years for Carter to do that to us.
This man and his crew of retrograde Third, fourth tier individuals have done it in less than a year.
God bless you, Victor, and more of your calls momentary.
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If you could combine them in a buffer for International Women's Day.
Oh boy.
Oh, is it that tweet from Greg Price?
No.
Okay.
No, no, no, no.
I'm talking about real women.
Okay.
I'm not talking about women who have testicles.
No.
Jenna didn't realize that tweet was sarcastic.
Oh, she didn't?
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Select.
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Standing by.
All right. Sent. - 97.
90 seconds, thank you.
No, no, thank you.
Can you play 6?
6.
Can you imagine what things would be like with Donald Trump at the helm right now?
I mean, put aside everything else.
Have you heard him talk lately?
He sounds like he's muttering to himself while sitting under his favorite tree at the old folks' home after getting his morphine drip topped off.
That's Trump, not Biden.
The irony is lost on me.
That's my favorite quote of the month.
But, you know, we... Has he seen Biden?
No, that's where you realize there's no, oh, you know, Trump... No, they're liars.
I just went on a viral tour of the semen factory.
Eight.
Play me eight.
You know, Jesse, here's an example of what you could do.
You know, we've generally got between five and six ballistic missile submarines, the boomers, at sea at any one time.
Flush the whole fleet.
Put every boomer we've got at sea.
And we can crew him and put him out there.
And you say, look, we're not going to back off from a nuclear concern that you've got.
You know, go all in.
Bluff him.
You know, if he's, let's see if he's really bluffing or not.
What?
Let's just find out if he's bluffing or not.
Let's just, let's launch a nuke on the Moscow.
Yeah, Kellogg, you cretin.
All right.
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Two problematic clips for different reasons.
This is Mr. G's favorite one.
Seth Meyers...
I don't know if he was ever funny, but clearly he is just a liar.
This is what he thinks, lest you think he's talking about Joe Biden.
What did Joe Biden say?
What did he say in that VTC?
You had that, John.
He said, I'm going on a viral tour of the semen factory.
He's a viral tour of the semen factory.
This is what Seth Meyers thinks about his predecessor, my old boss, President Trump.
Cut six.
Can you imagine what things would be like with Donald Trump at the helm right now?
I mean, put aside everything else.
Have you heard him talk lately?
He sounds like he's muttering to himself while sitting under his favorite tree at the old folks' home after getting his morphine drip topped off.
President Trump is muttering to himself under his favorite tree after the morphine drip wore off.
Jeff, help me out.
Why is this your favorite cut?
Because this is what should be said every single night about Biden.
And how do you say that?
Do you think that nobody has heard Biden talk in the last year?
It's mind-numbing.
Will you do the impression again?
Just, John, just to juxtapose with Seth Meyers.
I just went on a tour of the semen factory.
A viral tour.
Tons of people.
That's pretty good.
That is pretty good.
Now this one is disturbing, but for different reasons.
This is the coward General Kellogg, who didn't stand up and protect his subordinates in the White House during the Trump administration when he was chief of staff of the National Security Council.
And he's saying, well, you know, We could just call his bluff!
Play cut.
You know, Jesse, here's an example of what you could do.
We've generally got between five and six ballistic missile submarines, the boomers, at sea at any one time.
Flush the whole fleet.
Put every boomer we've got at sea.
And we can crew them and put them out there.
And you say, look, we're not going to back off from a nuclear concern that you've got.
Go all in.
Bluff them.
Let's see if he's really bluffing or not.
First things first, you had, and you may still have, your TSSCI clearance.
Why are you going on national television talking about how many nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles we have on duty at any one time?
General Kellogg, you cretin!
And number two, calling somebody's bluff on nuclear weapons, I think you should be the one sitting under your favorite tree muttering to yourself.
For those who think that I'm some kind of interventionist, wrong.
I follow the peace through strength model of President Trump.
But that doesn't mean putting all our nuclear assets out to sea just in case we can pull his rug from under him and call his bluff.
Because the cost of that, you idiot, you cretin, is tens or hundreds of millions of lives lost.
Fox, you've got problems enough.
Don't give General Kellogg more oxygen on your programs.
Let's go to your calls.
Wendy, waiting very patiently, Louisville, Kentucky, line three, welcome.
Yes, I am so mad at this, you know, at Biden and everything else.
If I knew how to do it, I would arrange for a Nationwide protests on Earth Day in every city.
Just come out and just protest this.
I mean, I would do it if I didn't know how to do it.
Wendy?
Wendy, you know how you do it?
You just do it.
Do it in Louisville, Kentucky.
Find people around you who are as angry as you are and just start.
Start in a modest way like Antoinette does every weekend at the Planned Parenthood in Destin.
You should be doing it when it comes to the oil prices.
If you're angry, find others who are.
Get organized and make your own protest voices heard.
God bless you, Wendy.
Stay on the line.
Let's give Wendy one of our Zolinski t-shirts.
Yeah, let's do that.
Let's give her a Zolinski t-shirt.
On the topic of oil, Zafora in Los Angeles.
Welcome back!
Well, hello!
Welcome back!
Just one minute, I'll put you on my... I'll take you off.
Can you hear me?
I can hear you perfectly.
Don't do anything.
Just tell us your comment.
Ask your question.
Okay, my darling friend, I want to tell you that today I was listening to President Biden lie in the face of the American people in the world, saying that we produce the highest we've ever produced.
It's a lie.
So that is a bold lie, because if you go to The EIA, which is the dot com, it tells you how many barrels have been produced in any given year.
And according to that, I have it here, that December 19, 2019, we produced 12.9 million barrels a day.
December 2021, only 11.5.
1.5 million barrels a day less.
And that was a conscious choice, Sephora.
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The only thing that is true about anything they said today is that gas has never been as expensive in America as it is today.
And that's not a function solely of Putin.
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You could be on CNN right now.
A real news organization.
Yeah.
I'm just throwing it out there.
I don't know.
Unfortunately, I just haven't... I guess... What was it you said?
The requirement for being a CNN... Are you a pervert?
I'm not perverted enough, I guess.
I don't know.
I'm not promoted enough, but I guess.
I don't know.
Okay, good.
Musk has been so good the last few months.
Musk has just been so good the last few months.
He's been on a roll.
And it's all stuff that, you know, can fly in the face of his personal, you know, business.
Both he and Peter have become so much more political.
Yeah.
It's good stuff.
Play me three.
Three.
People say about me, uh, why are you so obsessed with Donald Trump?
Why are you still talking about him?
I imagine you get the same sort of thing.
He is the leader of the Republican Party.
He was a once in history...
He led, essentially, a once-in-a-history attempt at American democracy.
Never really happened before.
I mean, Fort Sumter, you know, the secession.
So, he is the most acute threat to American democracy around, and probably in the nation's recent memory, and perhaps since the Civil War, and he's still in power.
In what way?
Name me, in what way?
He's a threat to them.
Our democracy is a threat to them.
How's he still in power?
Our democracy.
All right.
You didn't know that he's running the country?
Yeah.
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We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
So it's more of a reputation risk.
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Let's go to John, San Diego.
You know, banning Russian oil does not do anything because Europe or China or India will buy it and it'll be even a higher price and that means Russia will be making more profit.
Well, that's not correct because Europe's starting to ban it as well.
Well, China and India will buy it.
Somebody's going to buy it.
Yeah, but it's not the same as having the world market.
Right now, we are funding them.
We are funding Putin's war, John.
Right.
And for the last 15 years, every time Democrats get in office, if they get power, they restrict That's why we have to open up the US oil fields again.
Thank you, John.
Judy wants to come on the show, but she won't tell Mr. G what she has to say.
What do you think?
Should we let her on, Jeff?
That's why we have to open up the U.S. oil fields again.
Thank you, John.
Judy wants to come on the show, but she won't tell Mr. G what she has to say.
What do you think?
Should we let her on, Jeff?
Up to me?
Okay, Judy, I'm taking my life in my hands.
Welcome back!
Thank you!
Um, I did tell, um... I thought you were in Ukraine with John!
You know, I think John is delusional, okay?
No, don't say that!
He's buying me a tank!
He's buying me a tank, Judy!
He's buying you a tank.
I'll believe it when I see it, but you know what?
What?
I don't bribe anyone, okay?
I don't bribe anyone.
I show my appreciation, John, to Dr. Gorka by either gifting him or celebrating his anniversary.
He didn't say you're bribing me.
He said you're bribing the Russians to give me a tank.
Oh, now he said I'm bribing the...
Last time he said I'm bribed.
He uses the word bribe very easily.
That's the common denominator.
I hear this word bribe, and I say, excuse me, that is not who I am.
You've got 50 seconds, Judy.
Okay, so 50 seconds.
Number one, I have now, I'm putting together a hate hit list, and one of them is Mark Elias.
The other one's Putin.
I got a bunch more.
But also, bye to judges.
I never even mentioned that last time.
A hate hit list?
Oh my gosh, Media Matters is typing.
What do you mean by a hate hit list, Judy?
I hate Hitlers is that I hate certain people and Mark Elias is top number one up there.
I hate him because he's a character and a half and we really have to like... I think being a character is a cool thing.
He is a thief.
He's a con man.
He is the architect of the theft of the last election.
We've got your number and we're watching you Mark Elias.
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Skype.
Uh, yes.
Alright, dialing up now.
Skype channel one.
Did we, did we ask this or did he ask this?
Um, we asked.
It's, um, Ukraine Oil Prices.
Hello, Mr. Congressman, can you hear us?
Hello, hello?
Hello, this is the Gorka Show.
Can anybody hear us?
The Gorka Show?
Sorry, whoever, if someone's- Hello, hello, hello.
Very faint No video enabled yet either all Audio sounds very, very spotty.
Hello, hello?
Hi, can you hear us?
Yes, that's much better.
How are you doing?
Good, how are you?
Doing good, doing good.
Thanks for asking.
We're two minutes away from going back on the radio, but we are live on our Rumble online livestreams at this time.
Oh, is this radio only?
No.
No, no, it's radio and video.
Okay, I wanted to make sure.
The congressman's getting seated just now.
Wonderful.
Minute 45. All right. 90 seconds. 90 seconds.
Can you see us yet?
We do not have video at this time yet.
No one not connected Matty.
Yeah, I can hear him.
Hello?
Mr. Congressman?
Yep.
Alright, we hear you.
Letting you know the mics are live on our video broadcast and we have one minute before we go back on the radio.
We don't see you yet, but we can hear you.
Can you enable video?
One minute, Matty.
She's feverish.
Can you come in with the shorter cut we used today with Ilan of the President back in 18?
Which?
The one we just... The 22nd one.
Uh... Oh, that didn't work, right?
You couldn't work that one.
We got it now.
You mean the one at NATO?
Yeah.
Uh, well... NATO at the UN?
The UN.
Oh, the one with the German delegation?
Yes.
Yeah, oh, that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I actually... Okay, count me in with that.
Okay, yeah.
Unplug and re-plug.
Unplug the cord, Matty.
Plug it back in.
Okay.
30 seconds.
30 seconds, yeah.
I'll just keep their mic muted until the video comes up.
25 seconds.
Okay, 25 seconds.
Come in with the Trump cut.
Come in with the Trump cut.
Do you want to do food at the end instead?
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Okay.
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...immediately change course. Here in the Western Hemisphere, we are committed to maintaining our independence from the encroachment of expansionist foreign powers.
That was President Trump in 2018 at the United Nations warning the West about their undue reliance on Russian energy.
The fact is that he was right.
And what was the German delegation doing?
Laughing, tittering into their hands.
And they are not laughing so much today.
Let's discuss all of this and more, the price of gas in America, the future of our national economy, with a man who is a straight shooter.
Congressman Byron Donalds, welcome back to America First.
Good to be back with you.
Thanks for having me on.
I know you're a new guy.
I know you're, you know, still perhaps naive to the ways of the swamp.
But when you watch the press conferences from Jen Psaki and Biden on how we've never produced more gas and it's not a problem if we don't have exploration here in America, everybody can just buy a Prius.
Are you shocked by the level of mendacity and how the American people are being lied to over energy, Congressman?
I mean, I'm not really shocked anymore because I've seen Democrats lie about this kind of stuff for really about 10 years now.
So I'm accustomed to the double speak.
I'm accustomed to the slick statistics they like to pull out.
Like I saw Jen Psaki talk about how they're producing more.
in Joe Biden's first term, then in Donald Trump's first term.
Yes.
But the reality is, is that Donald Trump's first year, he was unwinding all of Barack Obama's bad, bad energy policies.
It takes time to unwind all this stuff.
Joe Biden and Jen Psaki know this.
That's why they're not running around promising gas prices to drop next week.
The problem we're having in the United States is that on day one, Joe Biden not only shut down the Keystone pipeline, but he put massive amounts of regulatory burdens in front of oil and gas production in the future.
So we still have some of the wells that have been producing.
Those are still pumping because they're already authorized.
But new wells, these 9,000 that they're talking about, about half of them are tied up in litigation.
There was one litigation about an oil field in the Gulf of Mexico.
A federal judge said they weren't allowed to drill it.
And the federal government under Joe Biden is not actually going to go and overturn the ruling.
They're just letting it go and walking away.
So what they're saying is disingenuous.
It's a lie.
We can be energy independent.
We can pump all the oil that we need, but not with the crazy climate change based regulatory burden that Joe Biden's White House has put on oil and gas production in the United States.
Talk to us about the people in your constituency.
We're talking to Florida 19's Byron Donalds.
Follow him at Byron Donalds on Twitter and Rep Donalds as well.
Congressman, when you hear that certain parts of California were up at $7 when you see in D.C.
an increase in gas of 30 cents in less than 24 hours.
I mean, Florida is a free state, thanks to the governor.
It's a functioning state.
But how are your constituents weathering these rocket increases?
Not very well.
We may be the free state, and we are, but we're still subject to the rules of economics.
And when you put regulatory burdens on an industry, and then you create a chaos environment like Vladimir Putin's doing in Ukraine, those two things combined will send prices soaring.
But it's important for everybody to remember, gas prices were already high before Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine.
The spikes we are seeing now is because of the upward pressure on the barrel of oil.
But those prices have been rising for quite some time, and that's due to the regulatory idiocy from Joe Biden.
Put those two things together, it hurts the pocketbooks of all Americans, including those that I represent in Southwest Florida.
And when you hear people like Mayor Pete Bootedge and Jen Psaki talk about getting rid of all fossil fuels and, hey, you can just buy an electric car.
Well, first of all, Pete Buttigieg, I'm not sure what he actually does.
I mean, the guy was gone for two weeks and nobody even noticed that he was gone.
But the truth of the matter is, hardworking Americans cannot afford an electric vehicle, even with the massive amount of subsidies that come out of the federal government.
But when you have people like this, and frankly the entire administration, just say, this is why we have to get off of fossil fuels, that just ignores all reality, it doesn't make any sense, and it actually doesn't work for working class Americans, for senior citizens on fixed incomes.
We need fossil fuels to power our economy.
We actually need more nuclear power.
In our mix to power our economy.
Those are the two things that the radical left simply do not want.
And so if you're going to go down this road, if you're going to put sanctions on Russian oil, I completely agree on that.
If you're going to ban Russian oil, I completely agree on that.
But you have to unleash the regulatory burden in the United States.
That is something the Democrats don't want to do.
That is something Joe Biden doesn't want to do because they want to have their cake and eat it too.
They want the high gas prices.
This is an election year, Congressman Donalds.
off of fossil fuels.
But at the same time, they want to try to at least get a political win for once in their administration with how they handle Ukraine.
This is an election year, Congressman Donald.
What are the political ramifications of gas prices, double digit inflation and the general state of the economy, given that November sees a midterm?
Oh, it's going to be massive because, listen, the party in charge has not done anything to actually make the burdens of costs, the burdens of inflation and the burdens of regulation go away.
They're not doing anything about it.
They're doubling down on it.
And that's what's so frustrating up here on Capitol Hill.
Listen, in the omnibus package that they want to pass, the White House wants $22 billion for COVID relief.
That's what they're asking for.
And so the negotiations are going to land around 12 to $15 billion in COVID relief money.
That's what happens in Washington DC.
It is not focused on what the American people need.
And they're going to remember that in November.
House.gov, Byron Donalds on Twitter.
Congressman, if there is a shellacking in November, if Republicans take back not only the House but the Senate, my question is what does the Democrat Party look like after that?
In your experience with the likes of the mob and Nancy, are there any Democrats who aren't crazed by The Green New Deal, getting rid of fossil fuels, keeping the border open.
Are there any sane people that you or the Republican caucus could actually cooperate with?
Or do they have to have some internal civil war to get rid of the crazies?
Well, I'll tell you, I really don't know.
You know, if they exist, they're scared of the squad, and they're under pressure from Nancy Pelosi.
So I have no idea.
But I will tell you this, that when we take over after this November, we're going to have ample opportunity to see if there are common-sense, blue-dog Democrats that still exist in elected positions in the United States of America.
But I'll tell you, when it comes to people who are just registered Democrats across the United States, So many of them are common sense people.
They're registered Democrats, but they're people that we work with, that people go to school with, people play games with.
We deal with them all the time.
They exist in the United States.
But on Capitol Hill, I just don't know if they exist.
We'll see what happens when we take over.
And given the great success in Virginia, so many Republicans said, this is it, we can't win another election, they'll just steal it, but they were proven wrong.
What is your message, not just to those in Florida, but elsewhere, given the success in Virginia, about what average Americans can do to be part of the political solution?
My message is to get out there and vote.
If the Ukrainian people can use Molotov cocktails and handguns to stare down the Russian army, the least we can do in America is get out and vote.
You may not like the referee all the times, but that doesn't mean you don't take the field.
Because if you don't take the field, you are guaranteed to lose.
It's time to get out and vote.
Let's not worry about everything else.
Let's just do our part, do your job, and let's see how it all shakes out in the end.
He's fighting every single day and he's right.
You don't deserve to win.
You can't win if you don't fight.
Follow him, Byron Dahls, right now on Twitter.
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Thank you.
All set.
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All right, cool.
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There we go.
So the audio didn't play because you had muted the Skype, right?
No, no, no.
I figured out what happened.
So for some reason, that individual video cut was muted.
The cut was muted?
The cut was muted, which I jacked it back up using the audio feature.
I don't know why it was muted.
Alright, I'm gonna need the long cut.
Let's make sure everything's good with it.
The cut one.
Oh, the one from the pre-record, okay.
Yeah, no, the three-minute one.
Oh, the three-minute one?
The long cut.
Yeah, that should... Can you track it?
Oh, the one where he's at NATO on Russian oil and all that?
America First, what's your name?
Okay, so we're gonna start off with Israel in the next segment.
Yep.
Hang on.
Okay, I'm looking for the three minute cut now.
Alright, hang on.
A long version.
Here we go.
Yes.
Alright.
- Oh, long version, here we go.
Yes, all right, let me grab it.
Yes, I have it.
Is this me?
Yeah, that's you.
Oh, yeah, I thought you were listening to something.
Yes, we have it.
No, I didn't.
Oh, this is where I was going to tell my story.
Oh, oh, B. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, how much time do we have?
Three minutes?
Five minutes?
It's a nine minute segment, assuming you want to take some calls.
And or play cuts.
Yeah, we saw it.
No, I'll probably use the long cut and then I'll tell my story.
Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna do Israel, tee up the cut, and tell my story.
Perfect.
Yes, it is three and a half minutes long.
Title for Donald's?
Um... Are there any normal Democrats left?
Are there any normal Democrats left?
Okay.
And yes, audio is good on that one.
OK.
Oh, can you quickly play me a Seven.
I mean, first of all, the courage.
I wrote a recent piece on the bear, the lion, and the bunny rabbit.
You know, the bear is the Russians, just as it was under Reagan.
The lions have turned out to everyone's shock to be Ukrainians, and the bunny rabbit is sitting in the White House being pathetic.
The Ukrainians have proven, if we'll get them the right weapons, They're going to beat the Russians.
They're not going to fight to a tie.
They're going to beat them.
They're going to drive them out of the country.
Putin cannot stand six months or a year of losing troops, having recently a major general shot by a sniper.
The other day, 30 Russian tanks were surrendered in one day.
Okay.
Thanks.
Okay.
Ten seconds.
Standby.
Standby.
Our job is get him the equipment, figure out a way to get him the MiG-29s, get the lawyers out of the way.
If the lawyers object too much, send them home or offer them a chance to join the Ukrainian International Brigade.
Okay.
Thanks.
Okay.
Okay.
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Here's a reminder of just how right my old boss, President Trump, got it.
This is him at a NATO summit sitting across the table from the Secretary General warning NATO to take Russia and their dependence on their energy seriously and to plus up their defence budgets.
Cut one.
It's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia, where you're supposed to be guarding against Russia, and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.
So we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries.
And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia, where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.
So, we're supposed to protect you against Russia, but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia, and I think that's very inappropriate.
And the former chancellor of Germany is the head of the pipeline company that's supplying the gas.
Ultimately, Germany will have almost 70% of their country And you tell me if that's appropriate, because I think it's not.
tell me is that appropriate?
I mean, we've been complaining about this from the time I got in.
It should have never been allowed to have happened.
But Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they will be getting from 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline.
And you tell me if that's appropriate, because I think it's not.
And I think it's a very bad thing for NATO.
And I don't think it should have happened.
And I think we have to talk to Germany about it, On top of that, Germany is just paying a little bit over 1%, whereas the United States, in actual numbers, is paying 4.2% of a much larger GDP.
So, I think that's inappropriate also.
You know, we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting everybody, and yet we're paying a lot of money to protect.
Now, this has been going on for decades.
This has been brought up by other presidents, but other presidents never did anything about it.
Because I don't think they understood it or they just didn't want to get involved.
But I have to bring it up because I think it's very unfair to our country.
It's very unfair to our taxpayers.
And I think that these countries have to step it up, not over a 10-year period, they have to step it up immediately.
Germany is a rich country.
They talk about they're going to increase it a tiny bit by 2030.
Well, they could increase it immediately tomorrow.
I don't think it's fair to the United States.
So we're going to have to do something because we're not going to put up with it.
We can't put up with it.
And it's inappropriate.
So we have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that's being paid to the country that we're supposed to be protecting you against.
You know, everybody's talking about it all over the world.
They'll say, well, wait a minute, we're supposed to be protecting you from Russia, but why are you paying billions of dollars to Russia for energy?
Why are countries in NATO, namely Germany, having a large percentage of their energy needs paid You know, to Russia and taken care of by Russia.
Now, if you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia because they supply.
They got rid of their coal plants.
They got rid of their nuclear.
They're getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia.
You take a look at some of the countries, they won't accept it because they don't want to be captive to Russia.
But Germany, as far as I'm concerned, is captive to Russia because it's getting so much of its energy from Russia.
So we're supposed to protect Germany, but they're getting their energy from Russia.
Explain that.
And it can't be explained.
You know that.
It can't be explained, you know that.
He knew four years ago what this would entail, and he was right.
Let me address an aspect of this conflict that isn't being addressed by others, and it's the correct response to the Kremlin propaganda that, well, the West is encroaching.
It's the fault of the West, the European Union for Talking to Ukraine about joining and NATO for potentially considering the Ukraine's membership and of course because NATO expanded since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
For those who aren't familiar, I cut my teeth on NATO issues at the beginning of my career.
I worked in the post-communist Hungary in the first freely elected conservative administration in the Defence Department, working on how to get that country back into Europe, to get it into the EU and into NATO, so it could be safe from Soviet domination or Russian domination.
And NATO did join in 1999.
Afterwards, the Baltic States and others.
Now, what's the difference between NATO and, say, the Warsaw Pact, or what Russia does with its neighbouring countries?
The EU, whether you like it or not, and NATO, which is a defensive alliance.
NATO has never invaded any of the nations in Europe.
is a club of like-minded nations that share a certain value system.
They are Western nations.
And if you want to be part of it, you have to apply.
You have to convince existing members that you bring something to the table in terms of collective defense, that you will contribute to collective defense, and that you take your defense seriously.
Why is that bad?
If Ukraine says, I don't want to be under the thumb of Russia, I don't think I can be neutral, especially after I've disposed of my nuclear weapons, I want to join Western Europe, should they not be allowed to do so?
America is a member of international institutions because we chose to.
They didn't invade us.
They didn't force us.
In fact, many of those institutions were created by America.
So the idea that NATO is threatening Russia is utterly fallacious.
The thing that is threatening Russia is, of course, Democracy, self-determination and representative government.
Putin isn't fighting genocidal Nazis in Ukraine.
There are no genocidal Nazis in Ukraine.
It's run by a diminutive Jewish comedian.
He's fighting the spread of liberty.
Irrespective of how corrupt or non-functioning Ukraine may be, he's fighting the concept of self-determination.
That nations on the Eurasian continent get to pick their form of government.
And that's why he invaded.
He needs to stop that, because that is a threat to his power, to his authoritarian, Neo-Tsarist, post-Soviet mess.
He wants to be emperor for life, and then install somebody else that he has anointed.
That's why he invaded.
The End Okay.
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Podcast and page removal.
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Does it say Dan something?
Oh, that's it?
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What does it say?
I'll just try this one.
See what happens.
What does it say before that?
It says that that's the one, I think.
You ask Skype.
Alright, let's try this.
Oh yeah, that's it.
Alright.
Okay.
I'll go ahead and call him up now.
Is he on Twitter?
Yes.
At the underscore Kyle underscore man.
Man with two N's.
Oh yeah, okay.
Alright, so we've done that.
How long is the Babylon B thing?
Yes, C and D.
27, okay.
Still ringing.
Hello, Mr. Mann, can you hear us?
Yes, I can.
Wonderful, okay, we hear you now.
Just letting you know the mics are live on our video livestreams and we are two minutes from going out on the radio.
Okay, great.
Mr. Mann, welcome!
Hey, how are you?
You look a little bit too comfortable there.
Why don't I have a big leather armchair in my studio?
Hanging out, man.
I got my scotch, and, uh, you know, we're just hanging out, so... Scotch?
In a coffee mug?
In the bog!
Nice.
Oh, the video seems to have frozen for just a moment.
Yeah, your video feed's frozen.
Okay.
I can still hear, and I... Yeah, we hear you clearly.
Alright, the video froze, Dan.
No worries.
Yeah, one second.
Yeah, 90 seconds.
Is that an echo?
Yeah, that was on me.
Okay, I think he is back.
Are we back?
Yes, he is back.
Excellent.
Alright, he fixed the cable, I think.
Alright, we'll have to be careful with the feedback.
Editor-in-Chief, is that correct?
Yeah.
Okay, Editor-in-Chief, and of course we have your Twitter as well.
How long has the Babylon Bee been around?
Six years.
Wow!
Excellent.
One minute to airtime.
Oh, What was the latest thing you had?
Liberals have t-shirts that say, what, I'm a really good person.
What was that headline?
Yeah, instead of masks, liberals will wear shirts that say, I'm a good person.
Oh, good.
I've got to mention that.
All right, standby.
40 seconds.
40 seconds. - X. - Do you have the, did you manage to make a buffer of the Ukrainian war fighters?
Uh, you mean... this buffer?
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D. Actually, with Kyle.
Yeah.
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But now, let's discuss somebody who I love the last few weeks, couple of months.
People like Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk are getting increasingly political, especially with their tweets.
Most recently, Elon Musk had this to say.
Remember how he made his money?
You know, things like electric cars.
I hate to say it, but we need to increase oil and gas output immediately.
Wow!
A truth teller who's making money out of electric cars saying, we need more oil and gas.
Well, we'd love to have Elon Musk on the show, but he's an elusive character.
And he did, however, give an interview to the Babylon Bee, where they discussed fake news like CNN.
Cut nine.
You could be on CNN right now.
Yeah.
You know?
John Lemmings.
A real news organization.
Yeah.
I'm just throwing it out there.
I don't know.
No, I, I, unfortunately, I just, you know, haven't, um, you know, I guess, uh, you know, what, what was it you said the, the requirement for being a CNN, a job at CNN is, uh, Yeah.
Are you, are you a pervert?
I'm not perverted enough, I guess.
I don't know.
In that lilting South African Canadian accent, I'm just not perverted enough to work for CNN.
The man asking the questions there was the editor-in-chief of the Babylon Bee, and we've been trying to get him on the show for weeks.
Kyle Mann, welcome aboard.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
So I gotta ask first, before we get to the Babylon Bee, how did you snag Elon?
Give us the story.
Give us the scoop.
Yeah, it was totally random.
And it was an insane whirlwind.
We just DM'd him on Twitter and said, will you do an interview with us?
And he said, sure.
Fly out here tomorrow, and that's how quick it was.
So that was the secret.
So you DM'd Elon Musk, and he said, the mountain better come to Muhammad.
So you went to him, you had the interview with your team.
Tell us, you guys, let's post the video right now.
Let's put it on my Twitter, Truth Social, Facebook feeds.
You've got to watch the video because it's a rare insight into this Guy who just thinks a little bit differently.
Give us your take, for those who haven't seen it, what kind of individual Elon Musk is.
Well, he came across to me as incredibly authentic, incredibly intelligent.
You know, the guy who can just respond and say, yeah, come on out and interview me.
You know, that's something that most people, you have to go through PR folks.
You know, most people are going off written material.
They have speech writers and they're very concerned about their public image.
And he was just someone who just wanted to kind of have fun and let his hair down and come and just hang out with us.
You know, he just walked into the room chugging a White Claw.
And so we were all very nervous.
You know, it was a big experience for us.
And for him, it was just, yeah, yeah, I'd love to come and chat with you guys for a couple of hours.
So incredibly bright, incredibly intelligent.
And he had a great sense of humor, as you could see in that clip where he's talking about not being perverted enough to be on CNN.
He's the editor-in-chief of the Babylon Bee, the satirical publication.
Every day something comes up on my feed from the Babylon Bee and you know it's half social commentary, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's just damning indictment of political correctness out of It's BabylonBee.com.
Follow him right now.
The underscore Kyle underscore man with two N's on Twitter.
Tell us one thing.
We're going to talk in the next segment about the genesis of Babylon Bee, how you were born, what your mission set is.
But tell us about something that surprised you when it came to your interview with Elon.
Yeah, just the fact that we could ask really technical questions, and he could give very long, in-depth answers.
And at the same time, he joked around with us.
So we had kind of funny questions written where we would ask him a really technical question about rocket science.
Yes.
And you would expect someone that was that high up not to have those answers, but he would be able to give you a very technical, scientific, detailed explanation, you know, just right off the cuff.
So that was incredible.
Yeah, a geeky guy who's a fun guy, and you can tell there's a phrase we say in Hungarian.
He's an individual who's got one extra cog up there, up in his head.
You know, seriously, that genius level, one extra level of processing.
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I see you've got a Cara Dune behind you.
Yeah.
I've got my Cara Dune action figured right here.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah.
I got one of those too.
Hey, was she supposed to be on the show last month?
What happened?
Who?
Gina Carano.
I pushed it off because of something, but I'm still trying to get her on.
All right, I'll DM her again.
Okay.
All right.
Love your stuff, guys.
Super fun.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Business must be good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's hard.
We got to write stuff that's funnier than reality.
How big's your team?
We've got about a dozen full-timers and then another group of part-time writers that send headlines and stuff.
Is there anything else I should promote?
Is there a podcast?
I see the book behind you.
What's that?
The Guide to Wokeness?
The Babylon Bee Guide to Wokeness.
Yeah, that's our latest book.
Okay, good.
All right.
I'll mention that.
And then I'm going to mention the fighters in Ukraine so you can use that buffer.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, we'll be back in 90 seconds.
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It's Tuesday.
Where's the excitement?
What do you mean?
It's Tuesday.
Is that supposed to be an exciting day?
No.
It's a fast-paced Tuesday compared to most of them.
I know.
Well, Monday it was so... Monday didn't feel like a Monday.
I'm kind of discombobulated.
I can't tell what day it is.
Eric and I said the same thing earlier.
Well, and the week, yeah, it's gonna be even more thrown off with you being gone on Thursday.
That's gonna be pretty funny.
Alright, here we go.
20 seconds, stand by.
Thank you.
Not that the FBI is even sniffing and looking.
But what if somebody came in and said, you know what?
We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
So it's more of a reputation risk.
A reputation risk.
Is that your justification for shutting down nine of Mike Lindell's bank accounts?
That's the senior vice president for Heartland Financial in Minnesota.
He's not a criminal.
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He's a conservative.
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I don't know whether it's a news site All satire half the time, because reality is bad enough.
Kyle, tell us, I didn't realize the unusual genesis of your organization.
It didn't really start out as a site for comedic relief.
So tell us the birth, the genesis of Babylon Bee.
Yeah, we launched in 2016, six years ago, and we started doing kind of Christian satire, church jokes, that kind of stuff.
And it launched right in the middle of the 2016 election, so there was a lot of Christians that didn't know if they were going to go for Trump or not.
And so us kind of being able to make light of that whole situation and have a lot of fun with it, I think, brought a lot of people on.
And they realized, like, we're writing comedy that doesn't hate conservatives, you know?
And if you've ever watched any Late Night recently, it's all that stuff, anger and rage, you know?
So it was something that was very different and refreshing in the comedy space.
Let me ask you, somebody who's really nailed it, the latest piece I saw, and I did a screen cap, is liberals won't, what is it, don't have masks anymore, so they have t-shirts saying, I'm a good person.
Why have we, of late, in recent decades, been not really good at the culture thing?
Can you explain the paucity of conservatives when it comes to the cultural arena?
Yeah, I think that conservatives tended to take themselves so seriously.
You know, there's kind of the stereotype of the conservative or the religious person that was just grumpy and legalistic and pointing at everyone, you know, and they were kind of the ones who were just so self-obsessed.
And that has really flipped in recent years where the left are now so zealously religious about their beliefs that they are unable to laugh at themselves.
And I think we on the right have kind of made that shift to where we're not.
We are able to make fun of ourselves and use comedy to make fun of the to make fun of the left and to poke fun at worldviews.
So I think there has been kind of that shift.
But yeah, I think comedy doesn't really do well if you are if you aren't able to make fun of yourself.
And I think that's where we've kind of done a bad job at both culture Do you think that something's about to turn there when you look at the fact that the left can't do talk radio, late night comedy is a disaster of vituperation and political bile?
Do you think maybe we may become the cool kids on the right?
Well, I don't know if we'll ever be the cool kids, but I think we're okay with that.
And that's part of the advantage that we have.
I mean, if you're so concerned about being cool, and you're so concerned about being in the mainstream, then you're never really going to be able to be subversive as comics.
And I think that's part of the struggle is the left has become mainstream.
They own the cultural center of our country.
And yet they think that they're these rebels who are, you know, making fun of everybody who has the cultural power while they themselves have the cultural power.
So it's such a great.
So that's what makes them such a great target for comedy.
And yeah, I do think Trump really kind of broke the left when it comes to comedy.
And that's created a great space for people on the Internet and on TV shows.
And websites like our own to make jokes from the right, and I think that's been really successful.
Babylonbee.com on Twitter, the underscore Kyle underscore man, two Ns.
The book that he has behind him, very strategically positioned, is the Babylon Bee Guide to Wokeness.
I actually want to read that.
When you talk about, you know, this started as a Christian thing, an evangelical thing or, you know, church thing, where is that relationship right now?
Because President Trump is not going anywhere.
I know he's running in 2024.
Is the Christian right at peace with this man or not yet, Kyle?
Well, it's always been a bit of an uneasy alliance, but I think a lot of us, I mean, speaking personally, you know, I was, I was kind of Trump agnostic.
I didn't really, I didn't really vote for him or do anything like that in 2016.
And then when 2020 came around me and a lot of people I know said, you know what, this guy's the best chance for us.
Um, this guy, maybe he, maybe we don't agree with him or agree with his lifestyle and everything that he's done.
And yet he's the only one who has any chance of defending, uh, defending religious freedom, defending, You know, pro-life causes.
And so I think a lot of us kind of made that peace and said, you know what, in a practical sense, we have to kind of ally ourselves with people that normally, you know, we wouldn't see as part of the Christian culture or anything.
So I think a lot of us have made that peace in recent years.
And I think you'll see a lot of turnout on the Christian right for Trump in 2024.
Explain to our millions of listeners across the country the name Babylon Bee.
Yeah, Babylon Bee just came about because as Christians we feel like we are living in exile.
We're living in Babylon.
And we wanted to kind of have this idea that we're writing reports or dispatches from Babylon.
And, you know, the bee is nice because it has a stinger and good comedy and good satire should sting a little bit.
Nicely put.
He's got Cara Dune, he's got Gina Carano behind him, as I do here with my action figure.
She's supposed to be on this show imminently.
I just want to know why he's got a respirator behind him.
Has he got some intel from Moscow that we should be aware of?
He's got a gas mask behind him.
In the meantime, get educated, have a little laugh.
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That is a clip from a speech from Vladimir Putin 16 years ago.
A speech in which he said something he's said more than once.
That is a clip from a speech from Vladimir Putin 16 years ago, a speech in which he said something he said more than once.
The loss of the Soviet Union is the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the last century.
Is that his motivation for what has been unfolding in Ukraine over the last two weeks?
Let's discuss with a man who advised President Putin, who I recently saw on my colleague Sean Spicer's show on Newsmax.
He is a former economic advisor to Russia's acting Prime Minister Yegor Gaidar, chief economic advisor to Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, and chief economic advisor to Vladimir Putin.
Dr. Andrei Illarionov, welcome to America First!
Thank you very much, Sebastian, for inviting me.
You are very, very welcome.
You have an illustrious resume.
I have three pages worth of your qualifications in front of me.
We do not have many people with your prior access inside the Kremlin speaking out on American media regarding the events occurring in Ukraine.
So let's start at the beginning.
Will you walk us through our millions of listeners and viewers across the country Your background before you came to the United States, your qualifications, you've studied in the UK and Austria at Stanford University, so may I ask you just to introduce yourself to our listeners?
I'm an economist by my training, and I spent most of my time as an economist studying economic policy and advising on economic policy.
You mentioned some of the people whom I advised to.
For almost six years I was economic advisor to the current Russian president, and at that time Russia was able to have a pretty remarkable economic growth that doubled GDP of the country and GDP per capita within ten years.
It was a little economic miracle for the Russian economy, but it was everything in the past.
Since 2008, three years after my departure, the Russian economy went into stagnation, and since then, the economic growth of Russia was not more than 1% per year on average.
So instead of doubling GDP within 10 years, it's a kind of 10% growth, so 7 to 8% per year.
The country was growing about 1%, less than 1% per year.
Now definitely it's a crisis.
And the intentions of the Russian leadership, and first of all of Mr. Putin right now, is very opposite to what you have demonstrated in your initial slide when Putin was talking a little bit about democracy, freedom, or whatever.
It's definitely wrong.
Putin does not pursue these goals anymore.
His intentions are imperialistic.
His intentions are conquering the neighboring country, establishing a New World Order, and definitely as he made it very clearly over the last three months, his main goal is to establish a sphere of influence in Europe according to the so-called 1997-1917 his main goal is to establish a sphere of influence in Europe according to the so-called 1997-1917 division line in Europe, which means all Eastern and Central Europe
Yeah, what the Kremlin calls the near abroad.
It brings even more.
Even more, because 1997, a line which means not only near abroad, it means not only Ukraine, Georgia, not only Baltics, but also Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania.
And in the document that Putin sent to the, responded to the United States and NATO in December, January and February, he was very clear.
He mentioned all these countries that should be demilitarized or denatoized.
It means that reworking their NATO membership and removal of all military equipment or whatever forces from NATO in those countries.
So it's an attempt to reestablish the so-called Stalin line of 1945 right after the Second World War.
So Mr. Putin's ambitions now is not only Ukraine, this is at least half of Europe, but because his appetite is growing.
Every day and every week.
So we don't know yet what his final goal is.
Actually, we know this goal.
It will be growing.
His appetite will be growing every day and every week if he is not stopped.
Dr. Ilarionov, you've worked at the highest levels in the Kremlin in the last few days.
We've read all kinds of unsubstantiated reports about he's taking drugs, he's taking steroids.
I see no reason to posit that, given the fact that he's doing things that are predictable, given his statements over the last 21 years.
You've worked, you have advised this individual.
Can you give us a sense of who Vladimir Putin is and explain why people should not be surprised at the events of the last two weeks.
He's very calculated person.
He's very persistent person.
If he takes some particular goal, he's using all possible and impossible resources and all instruments and technologies and manipulations or whatever just to get this goal be achieved.
So that is why I would not buy any all this stuff about he became crazy, mad, he does not understand what's going on.
No.
All his actions that we can see, they are absolutely devilish, but they are very persistent in achieving his goals.
And given that you advised him, how does he react to advice?
Does he listen to others?
There was, of course, much made in the last few decades that he had Sven Gallis, he had influencers like Dugan advising him.
Does he have his own plan or are there people that he relies upon who he listens to?
I have not met any other person who was ready to listen to anyone.
From any point of view, from all political spectrum, if he considers that person is knowledgeable, professional, if he considers that person as an expert, he listens very carefully and he tries, at least it was in time when I was there, so he was trying to get as much as possible information for his purposes.
So that is why for him there is no limits whom he would be listening to, whom he would be talking to.
If it helps him, he would listen to anyone.
So that is why he's probably the only person that I met in my life with such a wide approach that he could listen to very far left, to very far right, to anyone if it helped his case.
And is there, what is the status given the attacks on the imprisonment of Khodorkovsky and others?
Is there any, we're seeing protests on the streets of Moscow and elsewhere, but is there a nascent opposition?
Are there people who can stand up to his decisions?
There are two retired generals who wrote opinion pieces in the last week saying that the president is wrong, which is an interesting sign.
Can you give us a glimpse into the state of any potential resistance inside Russia to these policies?
I would not very much rely on it.
Just we need to understand, especially people on the West and the United States should understand or try to understand the situation in that political regime.
This is a almost totalitarian regime.
In totalitarian regime you would not see very many protests.
How many protests we could see in the Stalinist USSR?
Anyone who would protest would be immediately put in jail in the best case or shoot at the spot.
How many resistance, I mean just the public demonstrations or meetings we would see in Nazi Germany?
Just those people would be killed.
In the best case, they would be sent into a concentration camp.
So that's exactly what's happening in Russia right now.
Those people who went to the streets protesting this war against Ukraine, 7,500 people have been arrested, and now they're under the bar, behind the bars.
So, that is why, just to expect that these, whatever, mass protests could change calculations of Putin or to change his policy, it is a non-substantiated approach.
It will not happen.
This is a totalitarian regime.
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So you have advised the Kremlin at the highest level.
You're the perfect person to ask when it comes to the state of the Russian Federation's economy today.
Could you give us a snapshot of where it is since you left Russia, the fragility of the ruble, the fragility of the stock market, and then your estimation of how the sanctions have impacted that economy in the last 14 days?
Some sanctions that have been applied are effective ones, especially the sanctions to freeze assets of the central bank.
This is probably the most important sanction that has been applied.
So if all countries around the world would follow the same policy, it would have probably the most important impact, the most serious impact on the Russian economy and the decision-making process in Moscow.
But it is only one step.
There should be some other steps.
Including the isolation, financial isolation of all banking system of Russia with cutting all financial ties with all banking system of Russia right now.
And also it is necessary to introduce a transportation blockade with cutting of all contacts, all transportation contacts with Russia by air, by sea, by land.
That's next important step.
But we need to understand that sanctions by themselves and all decisions which is absolutely necessary in terms of isolation Russia in international organizations are not enough to stop this aggression.
Do any of these sanctions really matter if we don't sanction the gas and oil industry?
Isn't that really the lifeblood for Putin?
You're absolutely right, and that is why we were advocating from the very beginning that there should be a total embargo on all exports and imports from and to Russia, and especially to all energy exports and all transactions concerning gas and oil.
This is the number one demand and requirement for anyone, especially here in the United States.
It is really unbelievable that the United States is not ready to apply those sanctions for Russian energy expat.
For United States, Russian energy is a tiny fraction of all energy that the United States is receiving.
Europe is much far ahead, is ready to cut fully from Russian gas.
Even Europe is by maybe 35 or even 40 percent dependent on the Russian gas.
But they are ready because they understand this is war not only against Ukraine.
This is war against Europe.
This is war against NATO, against the United States, against the West, against the whole world.
And that is why the number one priority for the whole world to stop aggressor right now.
Because without stopping him, he will go further.
And it means not only thousands of people might be killed, but will be this count can go to millions.
It is absolutely necessary to stop aggressor right now.
Let's do Ukraine will be the last his attempt to attack Europe or any other country.
Can you give us your measure of how you think the sanctions against oligarchs and the billionaires will develop?
Will that put pressure on Putin or do these people have their money already sheltered in Cyprus and elsewhere and it doesn't really matter?
Will he be pressured by these people or does he have full control?
No, that's exactly what Mr. Putin sees with great enjoyment and satisfaction, because that gives him an opportunity to control those people with money.
People with money, however you call them, businessmen, oligarchs, they have zero, once again, I repeat, zero impact on the decision-making process of Mr. Putin.
So that is why the most sanctions will be applied to these people.
It means those people will be under influence or Putin himself if they are in Russia or they will be outside of Russia.
But it will not make any changes in Putin's decision making process.
People here in the United States in the West still do not understand the logic and nature of this political regime.
This is a totalitarian regime.
Just what kind of impact those people could have on Putin.
Anyone could have impact on Stalin.
Could anyone have impact on Hitler when they are already in war?
I'd like to just remind people here that after the attack on Finland in 1939, when Stalin started this Soviet-Finnish war, or Winter War, which is known in Finland, the Soviet Union has been expelled from the League of Nations.
Yes.
Whether it stopped Stalin from continuation of this war?
No, he continued this war for 100 days.
Whether it stopped Stalin from attack on Baltic countries and occupation of all Baltic countries?
No.
Whether it stopped Stalin from occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina?
No.
So, the sanctions, now the sanctions moment, or expelling from the international organization, but I think it's absolutely necessary, for example, to expel Russia from the Security Council of the United Nations right now, So even those absolutely necessary measures would not stop tanks rolling on the Ukrainian land.
So that is why it is necessary to think about hardware policies or hardware response to hardware attack from the Russian side.
We're talking to Dr. Andrei Illarionov.
He is a member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, former economic advisor to Russian acting Prime Minister Yegor Gaidar, chief economic advisor to Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, and at the beginning of this century he was chief economic advisor to President Vladimir Putin.
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Dr. Ilyarinov, Can you help our listeners get inside the mindset of the average Russian in terms of the information that they are allowed to consume.
This narrative coming out of the Kremlin that this is a peacekeeping operation, it is a humanitarian operation in Ukraine, it's there to save ethnic Russians from genocidal ethnic cleansing by the government in Kiev that is a fascist Nazi government.
Can you explain how how information is controlled and how this narrative is hard to undermine within Russia?
Probably it would be very hard to explain to the Western audience because those people completely isolated from other information, from information abroad.
And all last remnants of relatively free or semi-free media have been closed over the last 10 days.
There is no foreign source of information within Russia.
All those media outlets that could be considered either opposition or semi-opposition have been closed down.
There is no possibility to even social networks like YouTube, like Twitter, like Facebook, like LiveJournal.com essentially either closed completely or substantially closed down by the Russian authorities.
So that is why I would say 80 to 85 percent of the Russian population are completely brainwashed.
They do not have access to any other information and they have a very, very, put it mildly, very strange view about the rest of the world and about a state of own country.
Unfortunately, we cannot rely on support from the inside of Russia.
We have maybe 15% of the Russian population who have a reasonably good understanding of what's going on, but they are a minority.
And they are under attack from the Russian security services, from Kremlin.
Some of them already behind bars, some of them might be behind the bars.
So, unfortunately, this is a situation that we could see in history in totalitarian regimes like Nazi Germany, Stalinist USSR or Northern Korea right now.
This is very similar now, very close to the situation of totalitarian regimes.
And how powerful is the historic desire amongst the 85% who don't access information or question the official state narrative?
How powerful is this desire to have a strong man in Moscow?
And how strong is this belief that Russia is surrounded, the Rodina is surrounded, and the West is about to attack?
Is this truly the universal appreciation amongst the most Most citizens in Russia?
No, I would not say so.
Certainly, we don't have the exact sociological data because in totalitarian, semi-totalitarian regimes, we could not get any reasonable sociological data.
But I would say maybe 30, 35 or 40 percent would subscribe to this particular view.
But majority of people in Russia right now are incredibly fearful.
They are fearful of everything, and especially they are fearful of own regime, because that regime can destroy everything, can destroy their livelihood.
They cannot arrest people on the streets.
We saw just a few days ago, we saw the people walking through the Nevsky Prospect in St.
Petersburg, police coming to those people and asking, what is your view about the situation in Ukraine?
The person responds, lady responds, okay, I'm against the war.
Okay, you're arrested.
And they take him, that person, and bring him behind the bar.
So that just, once again, people outside of Russia do not have clear understanding, do not have full understanding what a kind of nightmare regime is in Russia.
And that regime can do virtually everything.
We're talking to Dr. Andrei Ilarionov.
He is a member of the fabulous Mont Pelerin Society.
He has advised Russian Prime Ministers and Presidents, including Vladimir Putin.
in many other places.
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He is a member of the fabulous Mont Pelerin Society.
He has advised Russian prime ministers and presidents, including Vladimir Putin, please, the Russians, I think we can infer it as them, are making it difficult to access his website from Russia, which means it must be a good website, goodwill.com.
Go to A.Ilarionov.livejournal.com to follow this gentleman's analysis.
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If we get serious on sanctions, as you said, not just against the general Russian populace, but against state assets and so forth and the Central Bank.
Let me put it the other way.
What would make Putin, stop.
We have reports, unverified, that the military is not performing well, that numerous helicopters were downed at the weekend by Ukrainian forces.
Nevertheless, the Russian armed forces greatly, greatly outnumber the Ukrainians.
A siege mentality is hard to break if you are fighting for your homeland.
What are the things that will provide a pause for thought in the mind of Vladimir Putin?
Several steps.
First, establishing a lend-lease arrangement for Ukraine.
Supplying Ukraine with all munitions and military equipment, what is necessary, just right away, not waiting for, just waiting for payment from the Ukrainian side.
So exactly as the United States did for Britain during World War II?
Correct.
Exactly.
Exactly the same arrangement.
So, uh, closing, uh, uh, sky aware, at least Western Ukraine, uh, Western Ukraine, uh, right bank Ukraine, uh, establishing no fly zone for that particular territory within with the NATO forces.
Providing anti-air equipment to Ukrainians, giving the green light and giving the jets to Ukrainians who are ready to fight Russians by themselves.
But please give them jets.
This permission is still not being given to Poland, Bulgaria, Slovakia, all other countries that are ready to do it.
deployment of some troops from coalition of the willing countries into the Western Ukraine to secure humanitarian controls in the Western Ukraine, securing the convoys with munitions for Ukraine.
It is also a very substantial deterrent to Belarusian dictator Lukashenko from participating in aggression against Ukraine.
For Polish, Lithuanian and Lithuanian troops, I think it's time to concentrate on the Belarusian border and to issue warning to Belarusian dictator if Belarusian land will be used against Ukraine for aggression, either for land aggression or attacks by either for land aggression or attacks by air.
The That will be very serious repercussions for Lukashenko himself.
Once again, it is necessary to understand this is not a Ukrainian war.
This is a European war.
And Mr. Putin clearly said, and now the secret documents that have been captured by the Ukrainian military have shown it very, very clear.
This is only the first stage, only the first step of the full-scale European war.
Mr. Putin should be, must be stopped right now.
And that is why All countries, all good willing countries need to help and need to support and need to defend Ukraine with all possible resources.
It is necessary also to provide channels for volunteers from all countries to go to Ukraine and to fight for Ukraine and defend Ukraine.
It is necessary to open a criminal case against Mr. Putin in the Hague Criminal Court.
It is necessary to start process of expelling Putin's Russia from the Security Council of the United Nations.
It is necessary to establish full embargo on all trade with Russia and especially for energy.
This is the only very first step that is necessary to do it right now.
That's a fabulous list.
I hope you've written an article to that effect which I would love to repost on all my social media platforms.
I especially like the idea of a modern 21st century lend-lease because it's been done before and now it can be done with the Ukrainian government.
However, I must ask you to address the concerns from many here in Washington, D.C., that a Western-guaranteed or a NATO-guaranteed no-fly zone, even over a partial part of the Ukrainian airspace, would clearly be seen as an act of war by Russia, by Putin, and it would have to be policed by NATO jets.
So NATO jets No, and I give you three examples, historic examples that happened just in front of our eyes.
Are you not worried in an escalation that could potentially lead to all-out war between NATO and Russia?
No, and I give you three examples, historic examples that happened just in front of our eyes.
In the year 2008, during the Russian-Georgian war, during the attack on aggression against Georgia, President of the United States George Bush had sent a 6th Fleet from Mediterranean to the Black Sea, and he started President of the United States George Bush had sent a 6th Fleet from Mediterranean to the Black Sea, and he started to relocate U.S.
So, Six hours after those movements have been detected by the Russian General Staff, President Medvedev has announced that the operation against Georgia has been stopped.
Second point.
In year 2015, a Russian bomber violated Turkish airspace for 40 seconds.
Turkish jet shot down the Russian bomber, killing both pilots of that bomber.
After that, what was the reaction?
What was the response of Mr. Putin?
Nothing.
Just nothing.
Nothing at all.
There is no reaction.
And Russian bombers after that never violated Turkish airspace.
Third example, in 2018, when the Russian private company, Wagner, with the Russian soldiers, 200 people, went in Syria trying to get a gas plant.
And after that, the Central Command of the United States sent planes to that area and fully destroyed this group, 200 people.
How many times Mr. Putin mentioned this case in any of his statements and writings or whatever?
The answer is zero.
Zero, yeah.
That's the Trump... Let me just remind everybody that's the Trump administration targeted 200 Russian mercenaries in Syria and there was no reaction.
Perfectly done.
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I want to recruit you to help me answer an accusation that sadly is coming from some conservatives with regards to the war we are witnessing.
And they're saying it's our fault, it's the West's fault, by allowing NATO to expand to the Baltic states, to Hungary, by considering EU membership for the Ukraine.
We provoked this war.
Would you please address this, Cunard?
This is a completely falsified accusations.
Each country, each nation, each society has a right to live in peace and choose its own way of development.
Ukrainians have chosen Western way.
They would like to be with the Western nations.
They would like to be members, parts of Western community of nations, means free, democratic, based on rule of law.
They made it clear many times through their 30 years of independence.
That's their choice.
That's a choice of 40 million nations.
So it's it was NATO that was not So I'm kind of ready to accept membership for NATO membership for Ukraine.
If United States with other allies would accept Ukraine into NATO, that war would not happen.
It is absolutely clear.
Putin did not attack any NATO countries.
Not only Putin, Stalin did not attack no NATO countries.
Soviet Union did not touch any NATO countries.
NATO membership is the best guarantee for peace in Europe and around the world.
So that is why if somebody wants to stop the war and to make more peace, just give NATO membership to Ukraine.
And that would be guarantee that hundreds, thousands, maybe millions of people will not be killed by Russian aggressor.
Last question.
What is it the West doesn't understand about Putin that they need to know, Professor?
Don't trust Putin at all.
Don't make deals with Putin at all.
And you need to understand, there is no, cannot be peace, cannot be any negotiations, cannot be any agreement with Mr. Putin.
The only guarantee for the peace in Europe and the world, that would be deputization of Russia.
Not only armistice, but it should be deputization of Russia, because as long as Mr. Putin is the head of Russia, the whole world is under threat of attack, including nuclear attack against the world.
When you have a killer thug in charge of a nuclear-tipped nation, the world is in danger.
That was fabulous.
Thank you, professor.
Thank you.
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